“Brothers” under gas: Bulgaria entangled in pipelines and flows

“Brothers” under gas: Bulgaria entangled in pipelines and flows

If someday in the world a championship for simultaneous sitting on two chairs (or even more) is suddenly announced, then gambling bettors should probably bet on the Bulgarian authorities. Do not lose! In particular - if the team will be formed from the local politicians. Their ability to “change shoes in flight” and the desire to simultaneously be servants of all gentlemen at once truly deserves sincere admiration. This is especially clearly seen in the case of gas tricks, in which, it seems, Sofia herself was completely confused.


As you know, the Russian “blue fuel” has found a new way to this country with the launch of the Turkish Stream gas pipeline. It would seem that you need to rejoice. And sincerely thank Moscow for the fact that it generally deals with Sofia, who, with her unimaginable feints, has already buried one promising project for the export of our energy carriers to Europe. Moreover, the actions of the Bulgarian side, which agreed to take part in the construction of a new gas pipeline, are also extremely difficult to call adequate. It was not for nothing that the “little brothers” at the end of last year ran into very unpleasant criticism personally from Vladimir Putin, whose patience for them seems to be starting to run low. After the Russian president’s last warning about “alternative routes”, Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov crumbled in assurances that “everything will be fine,” while inviting Vladimir Putin to “personally control the process.”

Now gas goes through Bulgaria. However, for the time being he doesn’t do exactly where Russia needs it. For her, the priority is the supply of fuel to Serbia, Hungary and Slovakia. Its deliveries to Greece and Northern Macedonia, which have already begun, are excellent. However, the “enthusiasm” with which the Bulgarians are building their own thread, which they stubbornly continue to call the “Balkan Stream”, causes quite justifiable concern. I would very much like to share the optimism of the Russian Minister of Energy, Alexander Novak, who not so long ago expressed full confidence that the Bulgarian partners will meet the agreed deadlines (by May 31), and Belgrade will nevertheless begin to receive our gas on time. However, the extremely sad experience of both South Stream and the leapfrog that Sofia arranged during the search for a contractor for the current construction, as a result of almost tearing it off, leads to unpleasant suspicions.

Quite strange is the activity of some of the leading politicians in Bulgaria. The same Boyko Borisov, who at one time almost sprinkled ashes on his head, begging the “elder” forgiveness for the South Stream, and now he is beating himself in the chest, promising to “complete everything on time”, no more than last November. while in Washington, he enthusiastically broadcast about the “need to reduce dependence on Gazprom.” These statements have a very specific practical side - continuing, excuse my expression, to puff my brains and rub my nerves in Moscow with the Turkish Stream, Sofia makes it clear that she is not averse to participating in the construction of the Trans-Anatolian Gas Pipeline (TANAP), which is its obvious alternative. Moreover, recently the same Borisov announced his country's intentions to buy back 20% of the shares of the future LNG terminal in northern Greece, where they plan to receive LNG from the USA and Qatar. Why so much to you, bros ?!

At the same time, completely incomprehensible discussions on far from abstract topics are going on in Bulgarian politics and the media. For example, how “in which case” to tear off compensation from Russia for a possible penalty for terminating transit through the Trans-Balkan gas pipeline going through Ukraine? Suddenly Kiev, simply adoring to cuss on such occasions, will make a claim ... And what can you do with the pipes of this Trans-Balkan that are empty today? Can it also shake something through it? In any case, the executive director of Bulgartransgaz, Vladimir Malinov, has already announced his company's readiness to "transport fuel in any direction." The most far-sighted analysts come to the conclusion: Sofia’s attempts to “sit” on an incomprehensible number of chairs at once, trying to “be good” at the same time for Moscow, for Brussels, and for Washington, can have very dire consequences. At least that Bulgaria will cease to be perceived as an adequate, reliable and negotiable partner in general anywhere.
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  1. Aerodrome 11 January 2020 17: 00 New
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    "Brothers" under the gas: Bulgaria is entangled in pipelines and streams ... as if the Kremlin were not entangled .. China is pulling ... why? he didn’t ask, and didn’t give money ... until he suffers from Turkmenistan and other ... "gases" .... in Syria it’s understandable ... the Qatars and pr-Saud did not give their pipe ... for understanding. .. the war for the Trumpets began a long time ago, and not all Barmalei caused it ... no, it was the leadership of the Arab states that wanted their "pipes" to Europe ... but no ... VKS and all things ... (this is our cow and we milk it) .. just wipe ... the optics. What else to explain to whom?
    1. Lexus 11 January 2020 17: 36 New
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      as if the Kremlin did not get confused

      No, they just arranged a sale. And then suddenly do not have time.
      1. Aerodrome 11 January 2020 17: 38 New
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        Quote: lexus
        as if the Kremlin did not get confused

        No, they just arranged a sale. And then suddenly do not have time.

        on the verge of a foul ... hi
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      1. Astronaut 12 January 2020 01: 38 New
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        https://www.dw.com/ru/

        And you did not find a link to a more yellow press?
        1. pytar 12 January 2020 02: 42 New
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          And you did not find a link to a more yellow press?

          So it turned out that he participated and am participating in both projects. Recently I got to this article, I read it through the links. I was surprised how accurately and objectively everything is written! I can compare. You want to think so. It is more important for me that with NG gas prices have fallen and it will become available to much more consumers. Gazprom sold expensively, few people crawled gas in us, even though most of the villages were gasified. hi
          1. Astronaut 12 January 2020 02: 50 New
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            Your article.
            The first one. “The plan to deprive Ukraine of gas transit failed”, it was postponed for 5 years - your author thinks narrowly.
            The second one. “Instead of three threads, only one will go to Europe”, the author is illiterate: now two threads go to Europe besides Ukraine. These are SP-1 and Yamal-Europe
            The third. "from a commercial point of view, this is a very good option: the company got the opportunity and legal guarantees for the further operation of its most important and decades-tested export channel." Only this channel can explode at any moment and again Putin and Gazprom will be to blame.
            Further, I am simply ashamed to analyze this article.
            By the way "participated and participate in both projects"Who did you participate in?
            1. pytar 12 January 2020 02: 58 New
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              Quote: Astronaut
              “The plan to deprive Ukraine of gas transit failed”, it was postponed for 5 years - your author thinks narrowly.

              Time matters. The share of LNG is increasing.
              “Instead of three threads, only one will go to Europe”, the author is illiterate: now two threads go to Europe besides Ukraine. These are SP-1 and Yamal-Europe

              As I understand it, the author endorses new ones.
              Only this channel can explode at any moment and again Putin and Gazprom will be to blame

              Commercial blame is proved in the courts. And all the other propaganda ...
              Further, I am simply ashamed to analyze this article.

              Most do not even make the least effort, you still tried! hi
              Who did you participate in?

              This is personal information. bully
      2. carstorm 11 12 January 2020 02: 59 New
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        they wouldn’t get involved in construction and would look for cheaper sources further. All these articles are for some kind of near-minded people. who makes Bulgaria sign contracts if you don't need them? carry LNG and you will be happy. but you want to make money on transit and grab everything.
        1. pytar 12 January 2020 13: 34 New
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          they wouldn’t get involved in construction and would look for cheaper sources further.

          Everyone has a claim to others. Who is right, only the court decides! Everything else blah blah blah ...
          all these articles are for some foolish people.

          Runet is not an exception.
          who makes Bulgaria sign contracts if you don't need them?

          What are you talking about? You do not have access to contracts, you do not know anything about them!
          carry LNG and you will be happy. but you want to make money on transit and grab everything.

          More outlets, lower price! Transit by itself is a plus.
      3. Alexey LK 13 January 2020 05: 35 New
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        Quote: pytar
        More suppliers, more competition, lower prices!

        Hello Boyan! This, of course, is disingenuous - far from all markets are ideal, as described in economics textbooks. Here you have, where you live, hardly a few pipes that supply cold / hot water from different suppliers, right? And besides, with a shortage of resources and at the lowest cost of pipeline gas, adding gas from LNG to your “national cocktail” only increases the average cost, because LNG suppliers will not work at a loss. So don’t twist, but that’s all (diversification) in this case, the political issue, not the economic one.
        1. pytar 13 January 2020 10: 16 New
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          Hello Alexey! I simplify the situation for a more understandable perception, although it is not so simple. Markets are not perfect, that's right. And not anywhere you can create competition. For example, in your example with water. In this case / in Bulgaria / the state regulatory regime enters into force. The supplier of water, if he wants to change the price, must specialize, coordinate and obtain the consent of state bodies. Of course, no one forbids crawling water from your well, if you have such an opportunity. In the villages we have central water supply, in the courtyards there are also wells with drinking water. The system has many disadvantages! At the moment, a scandal is being unleashed due to lack of water in one of the regions, which led to rallies, remains and jurisdictions of ministers!
          What is the error of your discourse? There is really no gas shortage. In Bulgaria, Gazprom was a monopolist. Correspondingly supplied at very high prices. They also came up with a cunning resale scheme for their subsidiaries, which still increased the final price.
          True, the cost of LNG is higher than the pipeline! But Gazprom sold us much higher than cost! And he got overpriced profits over the market! This is due to the lack of a market like that!
          The entry of LNG / and other suppliers / despite the higher cost, creates more or less competitive conditions. There is a fact - Gazprom has already lowered prices for Bulgaria, which has led to lower prices for consumers. I made such a simple illustration.

          Lower consumer prices, not so far (-2 -5%). But this is due to Gazprom subsidiaries in charge of the domestic market in Bulgaria. Let's see what happens next. And so you are right that this is also a tiled question! Gazprom / Lukoil fed a politically sensitive lobby in the BG and something must be done with it! hi
    3. lopvlad 11 January 2020 23: 43 New
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      When you look at the whole history of Bulgaria, the bad question “Does the Russian tsar have to save the little brothers from the Turks, putting so many priceless lives of Russian soldiers”? It would be Turkey’s territory now and all the gas pipelines would work as early as ten years and their lives would be saved.
      1. Machito 12 January 2020 00: 06 New
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        Bulgaria did not want to depend on fraternal Russia. This is her choice. Now it will depend on fraternal Turkey, and, of course, on Russia. Serfs slaves. They do not know how to live freely, without a yoke on their neck.
        1. pytar 12 January 2020 02: 26 New
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          Bulgaria did not want to depend on fraternal Russia.

          The very word "depend" not getting along with "brotherly"! hi
          1. Machito 15 January 2020 14: 51 New
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            Someone always depends on someone: weak from strong, strong from weak, etc. Bulgaria depended on Russia in 1876 and will depend in 2076. And we know enough about the history of Bulgaria: it always stands on the side of the enemies of Russia, unlike Turkey. Turkey can be negotiated because it is independent. It is impossible to come to an agreement with Bulgaria because it has lost its independence, given to it by Russia. Not all nations can live freely, some nations are used to living in slavery (look at the Baltic states).
            1. pytar 15 January 2020 18: 39 New
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              Someone always depends on someone: weak from strong, strong from weak, etc.

              “In the modern world, all countries are interdependent.” / I quote GDP from memory /
              Bulgaria depended on Russia in 1876 and will depend in 2076.

              I wish that the country’s wallpapers be free, successful, friendly!
              And we know enough about the history of Bulgaria: it always stands on the side of the enemies of Russia, unlike Turkey.

              After reading a couple of articles from the Internet, some believe that they "know enough." Upon a more detailed examination, we obtain the following results:

              For 141 years since 1878, Bulgaria and Russia / USSR / RF entered into unfriendly unions 3 times - PMV-2, WWII-3 + NATO-15 years. Amount = 20 years. During these periods, they fought among themselves only 1 time (WWI) and then to the Bulgarian land, in the Balkans. Bearing in mind that the Russian Federation began to consider NATO an enemy since 2014, (-) 10 liters. It turns out 10 years. Of these (-3 years), during the WWII diplomatic relations were maintained. As a result, only 7 years of conflict remain!
              For 142 years, Bulgaria and Russia / USSR / RF have been allies or in close relations for 54 years. They fought together as allies 1 time / WWII /.
              In the remaining 67 years, the relationship was neutral.

              Russia and Turkey have 13 bloody wars. This is the country with which Russia fought the most! Since 1952, a member of NATO. There is no need to count.

              Turkey can be negotiated because it is independent.

              If interests coincide. And they change over time ...

              It is impossible to come to an agreement with Bulgaria because it has lost its independence, given to it by Russia.

              The judgment hints that Bulgaria is "independent" only if it depends on Russia ...

              Not all nations can live freely, some nations are used to living in slavery (look at the Baltic states).

              Everyone wants, but not everyone succeeds. The thirst for freedom is inherent in man! No difference from ego nationality. By the way, often nations do not live freely even in their own states. An example - serfdom in Russia continued for centuries. hi
              1. Machito 15 January 2020 20: 37 New
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                All correctly counted, but there is a nuance. In world wars, Bulgaria acted on the side of the enemies, and was friends after the Russian Victory over Europe. Bulgaria is friends with the strongest. If Russia becomes stronger, Bulgaria will immediately remember its fraternal feelings.
                1. pytar 15 January 2020 20: 57 New
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                  All correctly counted, but there is a nuance.

                  There are always nuances in everything. Depends on the point of view. Each has its own rights.
                  In world wars, Bulgaria acted on the side of the enemies, and was friends after the Russian Victory over Europe.

                  Try to change places - in world wars, Russia / USSR acted on the side of our enemies. Moreover, in the second, at first it was “friends” with Germany, then with Britain and the USA. And why? Yes, because her interests demanded so! The situation is changing! So why Russia / USSR / RF is possible, but not others?
                  Bulgaria is friends with the strongest. If Russia becomes stronger, Bulgaria will immediately remember its fraternal feelings.

                  The concept of "friendship" in politics does not exist. Friends are people! Brotherly feelings are between people! But politicians are guided by the interests of their countries, as they understand! By the way, practice shows that propaganda in the service of political interests is quite capable of spoiling friendship and fraternal feelings between people!
                  I wish Russia to be strong, and that in the future conditions are created for good relations between our countries! I do not think that there are any contradictions between the Russians and the Bulgarians, as peoples,!
      2. pytar 12 January 2020 02: 17 New
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        When you look at the whole history of Bulgaria ...

        Most Russians do not know the true history of Bulgaria. Know one media stamp: "we once freed them, and they are ungrateful ...".
        the bad question “does the Russian Tsar need to save the little brothers from the Turks by putting so many priceless lives of Russian soldiers”? It would be Turkey’s territory now and all the gas pipelines would work as early as ten years and their lives would be saved.

        The manifesto of ALEXANDER II contains highly noble goals:
        "GOD'S GRACE, Alexander II ... the fate of the oppressed Christian population of Turkey. The desire to improve and secure his position ... to facilitate the fate of Christians in the Balkan Peninsula."
        There were no speeches about business and the advancement of interests of future oligarchs.
        It would be Turkey’s territory now and all the gas pipelines would work as early as ten years and their lives would be saved.

        Well, if we look through gas pipelines, we should never have fought with the Turks! Turkish were Crimea, Transcaucasia, Krasnodar Territory, all of southern Ukraine! Laying distance is shorter and cheaper!

        They reach the Donbas gas pipeline, and then Turkey, to Vienna! It will be necessary to spend more on transit, but it would not be necessary to load into the sea, what are the sanctions ?! laughing
        1. carstorm 11 12 January 2020 03: 03 New
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          the main word was. the rest is all from the evil one.
    4. Chaldon48 12 January 2020 03: 52 New
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      As for the little brothers, the question seems to get up on the edge. But do not send them along with Independent to such a mother?
    5. siberalt 12 January 2020 11: 15 New
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      There is no need to deal with the gasification of the Russian population from the Urals to Kamchaki and the Far East, so we don’t know who else to bring our Siberian gas into Europe. Well, who is the colony? Bulgaria or all the Trans-Urals with Siberia and the Far East? Were it not for these Bulgaria, our speculators for Siberia would not buy Chinese poisonous vegetables, but would grow their own in greenhouses, as is done all over the world. This is what we need to talk about, and not about the vagaries of some Bulgarian kings who have always betrayed and will betray Russia.
  2. rocket757 11 January 2020 17: 01 New
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    Here is such a world around, here they are .... leaders, politicians, of those countries that are like little brothers.
    But there are no others and is not foreseen in the foreseeable future.
    1. Aerodrome 11 January 2020 17: 11 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      Here is such a world around, here they are .... leaders, politicians, of those countries that are like little brothers.

      and which are like OUR ... favorites ... cheers ...
      1. rocket757 11 January 2020 17: 19 New
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        And what are our others? All of them, with the exception of a couple of countries, have the same ... coordinate systems, goals, tasks and methods! With a slight touch of national traditions, at best.
    2. Lelek 11 January 2020 17: 31 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      Here is such a world around, here they are .... leaders, politicians, of those countries that are like little brothers.

      hi Victor
      It's time to stop using the terms "bros" and "brothers." As practice shows, these are not available and are not expected in the near future. The Warsaw Pact united the "brothers in arms" and where they are now - with American tanks, planes and missiles at our borders, drool over our resources and lands. What can we say about those reincarnates, when two people at their side turn their backs and strive to grab free profit.
      1. rocket757 11 January 2020 17: 41 New
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        Greetings Leo soldier
        Quote: Lelek
        It's time to stop using the terms "bros" and "brothers

        I don’t think it will be right. You just need to personalize, FOR BUSINESS, and not all at once, according to the good old memory.
        And dad ... a strong chairman of the collective farm, somewhere there, beyond that outskirts and distant river. As it was, it remains so.
        However, it’s not for us to judge what he is like, “native father, chairman of all Belarus.” This is their business.
        1. Lelek 12 January 2020 00: 28 New
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          I don’t think it will be right.

          hi Victor
          Yes tired of their freaks, here and broke. It’s a shame for the Fatherland, we’ll fuss with honey, and we get spitting.
          1. rocket757 12 January 2020 09: 21 New
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            Quote: Lelek
            Yes tired of their freaks

            Politicians, leaders are changing, but the peoples remain! - pathetic, old and not quite consistent with our idea of ​​the present world, but, as it is, in fact.
            I don’t feel like all that was lost forever.
      2. pytar 11 January 2020 21: 17 New
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        It's time to stop using the terms "bros" and "brothers."

        I’ll say as an ordinary citizen of Bulgaria:
        I have many friends and relatives in Russia! With him, as well as with those who are not infected with propaganda, and treats us well, we really are BROTHERS! But there are different there Milera, Sechina, Deripaska, Prigogine, no I do not bro! They are from our bandyugan shirts for interests! Peoples and authorities are two different things! hi
        1. Lelek 12 January 2020 00: 45 New
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          Quote: pytar
          But there are different there Milera, Sechina, Deripaska, Prigogine, no I do not bro!

          hi
          I agree that they’re not personally “bros” to you personally, but they didn’t stuff you in this category, but do their business for the benefit of Russia and offer this benefit to Bulgaria, but your country behaved like an adversary and an outright enemy (I mean the deployment of the American and NATO military equipment and specialists in YOUR territory under YOUR - "bros" approval). Your country thwarted the construction of UP by order from Washington, and it would be for you Bulgarians an excellent economic aid; your country is now pulling time and chewing snot with the laying of pipelines in Serbia (also not without interference from overseas). And you want us - Russia to call your country fraternal? I don’t go into the past story, but there are a lot of things that you think you would not want to hear about.
          1. pytar 12 January 2020 01: 45 New
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            I agree that they are not personally “brothers” to you personally, but they did not get into this category for you, but do their business for the benefit of Russia and offer this benefit to Bulgaria ...

            To crawl Russia? Ha! Most likely on their personal and related structures. For the people, troshki ...
            UP Bulgaria could not bring any benefit, we know this better. I advise you to follow the link indicated in my previous comment above - "The meaning and nonsense of the Turkish Stream."
            Your country behaved like an adversary and an outspoken enemy (I mean the deployment of American and NATO military equipment and specialists in YOUR territory under YOUR “brothers” approval).

            Nothing of the kind exists in real life. In 2015, Bulgaria refused to accept active elements of the American missile defense system on its territory, and they were deployed in Romania. In 2016, Bulgaria refused to participate in the anti-Russian Black Sea squadron together with Turkey, Romania, Ukraine and Georgia. The failure of Bulgaria buried the entire project. Recent rumors about the upcoming creation of the American Buzz in Bulgaria were refuted in December last year, personally to the Minister of Defense of Karakachanov:
            https://rg.ru/2019/12/06/bolgariia-oprovergla-informaciiu-o-vozvedenii-u-sebia-bazy-nato.html
            Your country thwarted the construction of UP by order from Washington, and it would be for you Bulgarians an excellent economic aid;

            Not Bulgaria stopped UP, but Russia. If the ego were still built, it would have caused enormous damage to Bulgaria.
            your country is now pulling time and chewing snot with the laying of pipelines in Serbia (also not without interference from overseas).

            The Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation is confident that Bulgaria will build the continuation of the Turkish Stream on time:
            https://rus.bg/ekonomika/ekonomika/29146-minenergo-rf-uvereno-chto-bolgariya-v-srok-postroit-prodolzhenie-turetskogo-potoka
            I can definitely confirm this, because of my personal participation! :)))) Everything is on schedule, everything is fine!
            And you want us - Russia to call your country fraternal? I don’t go into the past story, but there are a lot of things that you think you would not want to hear about.

            No! I already clearly said whom I consider to be brothers! This is definitely not "you" and you are similar! We won’t go into the past story better; there are a lot of things that, you think, you wouldn’t like to hear about either. In short, on many issues we won’t reach an agreement! hi
            1. Lelek 12 January 2020 09: 24 New
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              Quote: pytar
              I already clearly said whom I consider to be brothers! This is definitely not "you" and you are similar!

              I didn’t want to offend you personally, but I didn’t even ask for you as a “brother.” Count as you like and study the story more often.
              1. pytar 12 January 2020 13: 57 New
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                I didn’t want to offend you personally, but I didn’t even ask for you as a “brother.”

                I got what you mean! Brotherhood is a personal concept! I don’t want to offend anyone either, but I didn’t invite the brothers! hi
                study the story more often.

                You succeeded! Perhaps it is time to give it to historians, not propagandists?
      3. Astronaut 12 January 2020 02: 06 New
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        strive to grab a free profit.

        You repeat stupidity after reporters. The transportation of Russian oil through the territory of the Republic of Belarus is carried out by Gomeltransneft Druzhba (during the Soviet Union - the Gomel Oil Transport Administration). Therefore, the tax is paid by the Belarusian company. Tariffs for a year for oil transportation are signed in November of the previous year. Therefore, this is the “hitalovo” Belarusian enterprise.
    3. lis-ik 11 January 2020 19: 31 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      But there are no others and is not foreseen in the foreseeable future.

      And we have in sight ?!
      1. rocket757 11 January 2020 19: 40 New
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        Nothing indicates this at all .... it floats on the "surface"!
        And what is there, in the “upper kitchen is cooked”, they don’t tell us about that! If it does, then they will put us .... before the fact or something like that! I can’t guess.
    4. pytar 12 January 2020 14: 52 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      Here is such a world around, here they are .... leaders, politicians, of those countries that are like little brothers.

      Here the question begs itself - the whole world is "crooked" or, what’s wrong with the beholder ...? laughing
      1. rocket757 12 January 2020 15: 53 New
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        Everyone has a CHOICE of what and how to look at.
        Yes, for the whole world it is not necessary, it is all different.
  3. marshes 11 January 2020 17: 13 New
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    They won't freeze for that laughing
    Gas is power, I can’t understand at home what kind of gas goes either in Kazakhstan or in Uzbekistan. It lights up red and the counter shakes blue. Commodity gas is calculated, quality, in moles per cubic meter. A third supplier would be nice.
    1. knn54 11 January 2020 17: 42 New
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      Swamps, welcome. .Gas must be uniform blue. Red is a lack of pressure / oxygen. Incomplete combustion of heavy hydrocarbons occurs and soot will accumulate., Yellow is an impurity in the fuel. Either they are "body-fed" at the GDS or the filter is clogged at some well.
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        Quote: knn54
        Swamps, welcome. .Gas must be uniform blue. Red is a lack of pressure / oxygen. Incomplete combustion of heavy hydrocarbons occurs and soot will accumulate., Yellow is an impurity in the fuel. Either they are "body-fed" at the GDS or the filter is clogged at some well.

        Yes, it seems to me that "smart" neighbors have appeared / Who is unrolling the counter from the compressor.
      2. Aerodrome 11 January 2020 17: 56 New
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        Quote: knn54
        Swamps, welcome. .Gas must be uniform blue. Red is a lack of pressure / oxygen. Incomplete combustion of heavy hydrocarbons occurs and soot will accumulate., Yellow is an impurity in the fuel. Either they are "body-fed" at the GDS or the filter is clogged at some well.

        , readily and popularly talked about the flame in fighter turbines ... "blue" gas color is a factor of complete combustion of fuel. in our fighter jets, more often, in foreign ones, it’s more common ... not complete combustion. blue-orange (just saw ...) and yes ... what about the "stealth" ??? Yesterday I saw how it sews SU 30 (35) ... no trace, no exhaust .. the sound is only ... and the “blue priest” ... at dusk, it went well, quickly, the “SZ” did not go, but it went very quickly ,close. I stood smiling, looking into the inky sky .. so with a smile I went home and walked ... it was nice.
        1. marshes 11 January 2020 18: 00 New
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          Quote: Aerodrome
          , readily and popularly talked about the flame in fighter turbines ... "blue" gas color is a factor of complete combustion of fuel. in our fighter jets, more often, in foreign ones, it’s more common ... not complete combustion. blue-orange (just saw ...)

          MIG-29, black loop in afterburner mode.
  4. Sergey39 11 January 2020 17: 18 New
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    It was a shitty idea with Threads. They want to get LNG - let them get it. Instead of gas pipelines, it was possible to immediately build gas-liquefying plants and purchase tankers.
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    Is Bulgaria accepted as a serious country? Do not remember that.
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      Quote: Pessimist22
      Is Bulgaria accepted as a serious country? Do not remember that.
      and Russia? I don’t remember either .... here is the presence of nuclear weapons, makes it ... conversational ... otherwise, nafig would already ....
      1. Pessimist22 11 January 2020 17: 47 New
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        Mmmm, well, let’s say about gas, Russia has been supplying Europe for more than 50 years, it concludes long-term contracts with countries such as Germany and China, everything seems to be serious.
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          Quote: Pessimist22
          Mmmm, let’s say if about gas, then Russia has been supplying Europe for over 50 years, it concludes long-term contracts with countries such as Germany and China, everything seems to be serious

          and? here the most interesting ... and Uncle will say "know" ... and? What will Europe do next? at exorbitant prices to take "slate"? Yes, the burghers are likely to burn all the trees in the stoves ... and they will be right, we don’t need anything from them, pay and take how much gas
          you need ... the systems came together ... not Western, not capitalist, just moneybags. everyone needs to snatch. Western versus Eastern ... suckers-pay ...- we all.
        2. Ingvar 72 11 January 2020 20: 16 New
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          concludes long-term contracts with countries such as Germany, China, everything seems to be serious.

          I watched an interesting video on gas from Platoshkin.
      2. Terenin 11 January 2020 20: 35 New
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        Quote: Aerodrome
        Quote: Pessimist22
        Is Bulgaria accepted as a serious country? Do not remember that.
        and Russia? here the presence of nuclear weapons, makes it ... conversational ... otherwise, nafig would have ....

        Oh how winked and tolerant democratic teeth, then (at least) do not mind?
      3. Kursk 11 January 2020 21: 17 New
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        Respect those who have teeth
    2. Mac Simka 11 January 2020 18: 02 New
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      Well, in principle, we did not put our lips in the place of everything and everything in the world. A place without analogues in the world has already been taken - we do not need your reputation at all. Serious as a country next.
      1. Aerodrome 11 January 2020 18: 24 New
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        Well, in principle, we did not put our lips in the place of everything and everything in the world.

        "lips" are no longer ... in principle.
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    1. marshes 11 January 2020 17: 35 New
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      Salaam Aleikum!
      You have gas in Shym, probably Uzbek.
      It’s a bit for me to set up the stove, it’s good that a small reduction station was installed next to it, from an average pressure of the main, they were installed, otherwise I would pay for the air, the early gas would freeze.
      Although the cunning ones appeared, the counter is turned from the compressor to the return line.
  7. Nikolai Miracles 11 January 2020 17: 48 New
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    They will merge into one pipe: LNG from the future LNG terminal in northern Greece, Turkish stream Siberian gas, Azerbaijani, and later Turkmen and, possibly, Iranian gas through TANAP. The market, however, is competition — lower prices.
    1. Egoza 11 January 2020 18: 03 New
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      They will merge into one pipe: LNG from the future LNG terminal in northern Greece, Turkish stream Siberian gas, Azerbaijani, and later Turkmen and, possibly, Iranian gas through TANAP. The market, however, is competition — lower prices.

      Look! And we did "better." Let it be unknown whose gas there, all the same, only orange with heat transfer inconceivable for gas (in the sense that if you could boil a liter kettle in 3 minutes, now it’s 10). But now people will pay separately for gas, and separately for gas delivery (to another company) Well, it will be possible to "regulate" in favor of the state (or personal pockets), whatever the price.
      1. marshes 11 January 2020 18: 26 New
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        But now people will pay separately for gas, and separately for gas delivery (to another company)

        Something I did not understand, you will pay directly to your service provider.
        in my example, Alau transgas, I don’t directly pay Kazmunaigas or Uzbek Gaza or Turkmens.
        But I can’t show anything to the gas showers, I can only snitch on the website or Facebook, our rulers read, they will solve problems later if the number of complaints exceeds a certain threshold.
        By the way, about a year ago, we had gas at 2 tenge at a rate of 36, there were quite terrible frosts, plus the lack of coal at the bases to flood the house. A lot of angry comments appeared on the network, they decided not to make 340 cubic meters, at a rate of 28 and coal is at bases not at a cosmic price, as it was. Despite the fact that the bowels belong to the people, according to the Constitution, people recalled.
        So our rulers monitor social networks.
  8. Mac Simka 11 January 2020 17: 59 New
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    I really did not understand what the snot is about now? If we build, then Th for show. Why on earth can you tell us what to buy and where to carry gas?
    The fact that we did not start work on the Bulgarian part of the pipeline earlier is not our fault, and those who filed appeals in court. Then your Guarantor himself had to become in a pose and supposedly point out. Both worked and work. If you think that we are building slowly - shovels in your hands and a drum on your neck. Build yourself where you priority. And it will do for us.
  9. borys 11 January 2020 18: 20 New
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    Or maybe the Kremlin’s time to change their approaches to business.
    It may be time to abandon the very idea of ​​all kinds of transit.
    In the end, gas is a commodity. This product can simply be sold
    to an intermediary (the same Turkey or Ukraine). And let them go further
    they sell this product to anyone they want, and on the conditions that they
    bargain for themselves. With this approach, there is no need
    butting with Bulgaria and other distant neighbors. Let them
    understand each other. Probably this approach has
    its disadvantages, but there is also a very big plus - less head
    pains with all European quirks.
    1. About 2 11 January 2020 18: 59 New
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      There was another idea voiced by one of the professors of economists from Novosibirsk, this is the sale of semi-finished plastics that are made from gas. As he said, raw materials would be in demand and more money would be received and there would be no dependence on the pipe.
    2. pytar 11 January 2020 21: 27 New
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      This product can simply be sold to an intermediary (the same Turkey or Ukraine).

      Everyone is trying to avoid intermediaries. One link is smaller, more profitable to seller and buyer.
  10. Tarasios 11 January 2020 18: 45 New
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    Campaign, Lukashenko is not alone in his "multi-vector";)
  11. About 2 11 January 2020 18: 54 New
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    It seems that history has not taught anything to Vova, but she just screams, Vova do not mess with the Bulgarians.
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  12. Finn 11 January 2020 19: 43 New
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    We are what we eat. Take a trip to Bulgaria and try what they eat.
    1. Mac Simka 12 January 2020 20: 19 New
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      And what they eat.
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    “The activity of some of the leading politicians in Bulgaria is also rather strange” - yeah, they are strange to say the least, stupid - that’s the correct definition
  14. sergo1914 11 January 2020 22: 34 New
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    . If ever in the world a championship for simultaneous sitting on two chairs (or even more) is announced,


    Generalissimo, generals and field marshals VO. My prediction. Meehan is really a child.
  15. Incvizitor 12 January 2020 03: 34 New
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    Maybe it was better to pull through Serbia and Macedonia to Serbia, I won’t be surprised if the authorities there are more responsible.
    1. Mac Simka 12 January 2020 04: 02 New
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      Yes, even through the moon. Once agreed through Bulgaria, then the Kremlin so wanted. Nothing obviously depends on me and on you, on the word at all.
      1. pytar 12 January 2020 13: 53 New
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        Yes, even through the moon.

        Che then the lunar program is stalling ... the trampoline creaks ... sad
        1. Mac Simka 12 January 2020 14: 31 New
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          Yes, their trampoline creaks more and more. As I recall, fireworks over the East already can not believe that they will reach the moon. Though they reached the pipe, it could have broken off like with SP2.
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            I can’t believe that they will reach the moon

            If they continue further as they do now, they will not hold out! And after a while it’s to announce that “the moon is too close, you shouldn’t spend it”, it’s better to jump right to Mars! And announce the "Martian program"!
            1. Mac Simka 12 January 2020 16: 42 New
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              Well, in principle, we already live in the time of TNCs, so the managers will want it - they will reach Alpha Centauri. Only all this does not fit into the picture of the chewing gum fraternity to some here on VO.
    2. pytar 12 January 2020 13: 47 New
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      Maybe it was better to pull through Serbia and Macedonia to Serbia, I won’t be surprised if the authorities there are more responsible.

      Greece is also a member of the EU. The same laws, those rules and restrictive energy packages, as in Bulgaria. Macedonia is on the same path. You can of course, but the track is longer and more expensive. And the oligarchs like to consider money ...
      1. Senior seaman 12 January 2020 15: 35 New
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        Dear colleague, a question has arisen (For a long time.) Speaking about problems with the pipeline you are referring to EU legislation, they say that it is impossible for the pipes and the gas flowing through them to belong to the same owner. I readily believe, but ... from other countries through which pipelines run, such claims have not been heard for a very long time. (15 years for sure) And then I personally only come up with two options.
        1) Problems in other countries on this subject are not advertised by our media. (I think this is unlikely. Not that I believed in the absolute honesty of our "special correspondents", but there are alternative sources of information, but they are silent.)
        2) The Bulgarian leadership is trying to be holier than the Pope.
        In general, could you clarify this point?
        Thanks in advance.
        1. pytar 12 January 2020 16: 15 New
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          but ... from other countries through which pipelines run, such claims have not been heard for a very long time.

          Dear colleague, hi Your question is logical and justified! I will tell you my opinion. EU legislation is changing over time. It is not static. The conditions and requirements are not the same for everyone, depending on the time, stage and specifics of the objects. The EU energy supply strategy itself is undergoing change. In my opinion, it is quite adequate!
          Problems in other countries about this are not advertised by our media.

          I have been following publications on these topics for a long time, comparing, checking and double-checking them! I think Ross-media / not all! there are outages / drinking unusual! No wonder, after all, Gazprom and the structures associated with it have a resource that is fraught with propaganda! The matter is connected with politics!
          The Bulgarian leadership is trying to be holier than the Pope.

          It is truth too! But here you need to understand what situation it is in? The economic cooperation of Bulgaria with the EU countries is very important, crucial for the development of the country! Ego cannot be replaced with any super-duper gas pipelines! Politics must be guided by the interests of the weird! If there are contradictions, you need to look for a reasonable compromise! After all, every Union is a form of compromise! In that respect, the Bulgarian leadership, having a narrow space for maneuver, manages to win the maximum possible in the interest of their country! hi
  16. prior 12 January 2020 11: 54 New
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    As always, the ability of Gazprom lawyers to conclude construction and supply contracts affects.
    Why responsibility for the construction of the Bulgarian site had to be given to the Bulgarians?
    Let it be built by interested parties - Serbia, Hungary and Slovakia. They need gas - and with them the terms.
    And Gazprom would not have a headache about the delivery time.
    1. pytar 12 January 2020 13: 50 New
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      Why responsibility for the construction of the Bulgarian site had to be given to the Bulgarians?

      Because, the highway passes through the Bulgarian territory, the Bulgarian pipe. Not Gazprom decides to whom to give the ego. He can give only that which belongs to him. It's like a highway ... bully
      1. Mac Simka 12 January 2020 16: 45 New
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        In 1996, this was the question and Gazprom turned over the Bulgarian government, which did not want to give up the construction of the Burgas-Alexandroupolis oil pipeline to non-Bulgarian hands and did not want to sell land under the pipes. Deja Vu, no?
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          Déjà vu definitely! The methods are the same! good
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    since 1912 they are inadequate, not reliable, non-negotiable, so Humpty Dumpty, heavy Turkish heredity
    1. Mac Simka 12 January 2020 16: 47 New
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      And who is that? First, they drag you by the hair in the police department, and then kick them out. At first, it was liberated, and then Transdanubia. Lovely man, did you even finish school for an hour?
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    Quote: pytar

    This is personal information. bully


    The daughter of a pipe layer and a dispatcher, is it not so simple here?
    1. pytar 12 January 2020 16: 25 New
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      The daughter of a pipe layer and a dispatcher, is it not so simple here?

      You confuse in another site ... laughing Yes, yes! I met very interesting people here! New Friends acquired, thank them for their friendship! hi I hope someday we will drink a cup of brandy from them! drinks
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