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“Brothers” under gas: Bulgaria entangled in pipelines and flows

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“Brothers” under gas: Bulgaria entangled in pipelines and flows

If someday in the world a championship for simultaneous sitting on two chairs (or even more) is suddenly announced, then gambling bettors should probably bet on the Bulgarian authorities. Do not lose! In particular - if the team will be formed from the local politicians. Their ability to “change shoes in flight” and the desire to simultaneously be servants of all gentlemen at once truly deserves sincere admiration. This is especially clearly seen in the case of gas tricks, in which, it seems, Sofia herself was completely confused.


As you know, the Russian “blue fuel” has found a new way to this country with the launch of the Turkish Stream gas pipeline. It would seem that you need to rejoice. And sincerely thank Moscow for the fact that it generally deals with Sofia, who, with her unimaginable feints, has already buried one promising project for the export of our energy carriers to Europe. Moreover, the actions of the Bulgarian side, which agreed to take part in the construction of a new gas pipeline, are also extremely difficult to call adequate. It was not for nothing that the “little brothers” at the end of last year ran into very unpleasant criticism personally from Vladimir Putin, whose patience for them seems to be starting to run low. After the Russian president’s last warning about “alternative routes”, Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov crumbled in assurances that “everything will be fine,” while inviting Vladimir Putin to “personally control the process.”

Now gas goes through Bulgaria. However, for the time being he doesn’t do exactly where Russia needs it. For her, the priority is the supply of fuel to Serbia, Hungary and Slovakia. Its deliveries to Greece and Northern Macedonia, which have already begun, are excellent. However, the “enthusiasm” with which the Bulgarians are building their own thread, which they stubbornly continue to call the “Balkan Stream”, causes quite justifiable concern. I would very much like to share the optimism of the Russian Minister of Energy, Alexander Novak, who not so long ago expressed full confidence that the Bulgarian partners will meet the agreed deadlines (by May 31), and Belgrade will nevertheless begin to receive our gas on time. However, the extremely sad experience of both South Stream and the leapfrog that Sofia arranged during the search for a contractor for the current construction, as a result of almost tearing it off, leads to unpleasant suspicions.

Quite strange is the activity of some of the leading politicians in Bulgaria. The same Boyko Borisov, who at one time almost sprinkled ashes on his head, begging the “elder” forgiveness for the South Stream, and now he is beating himself in the chest, promising to “complete everything on time”, no more than last November. while in Washington, he enthusiastically broadcast about the “need to reduce dependence on Gazprom.” These statements have a very specific practical side - continuing, excuse my expression, to puff my brains and rub my nerves in Moscow with the Turkish Stream, Sofia makes it clear that she is not averse to participating in the construction of the Trans-Anatolian Gas Pipeline (TANAP), which is its obvious alternative. Moreover, recently the same Borisov announced his country's intentions to buy back 20% of the shares of the future LNG terminal in northern Greece, where they plan to receive LNG from the USA and Qatar. Why so much to you, bros ?!

At the same time, completely incomprehensible discussions on far from abstract topics are going on in Bulgarian politics and the media. For example, how “in which case” to tear off compensation from Russia for a possible penalty for terminating transit through the Trans-Balkan gas pipeline going through Ukraine? Suddenly Kiev, simply adoring to cuss on such occasions, will make a claim ... And what can you do with the pipes of this Trans-Balkan that are empty today? Can it also shake something through it? In any case, the executive director of Bulgartransgaz, Vladimir Malinov, has already announced his company's readiness to "transport fuel in any direction." The most far-sighted analysts come to the conclusion: Sofia’s attempts to “sit” on an incomprehensible number of chairs at once, trying to “be good” at the same time for Moscow, for Brussels, and for Washington, can have very dire consequences. At least that Bulgaria will cease to be perceived as an adequate, reliable and negotiable partner in general anywhere.
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  1. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 11 January 2020 17: 00
    +3
    "Brothers" under gas: Bulgaria is entangled in pipelines and streams ... as if the Kremlin is not entangled ... China is being pulled ... why? he didn’t ask, and he didn’t give money ... he’s enough from Turkmenistan and others ... "gases" .... in Syria, it’s clear ... they didn’t let the Qataris and the Saudis throw their pipe ... for understanding. .. the wars for the Pipes began a long time ago, and not all Barmaley are the reason ... no, these Arab leaderships wanted their "pipes" to Europe ... but no ... VKS and all things ... (this is our cow and we milk her) .. just wipe ... the optics. Who else can explain why?
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 11 January 2020 17: 36
      +3
      as if the Kremlin did not get confused

      No, they just arranged a sale. And then suddenly do not have time.
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 11 January 2020 17: 38
        -3
        Quote: lexus
        as if the Kremlin did not get confused

        No, they just arranged a sale. And then suddenly do not have time.

        on the verge of a "foul" ... hi
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      1. Astronaut
        Astronaut 12 January 2020 01: 38
        +1
        https://www.dw.com/ru/

        And you did not find a link to a more yellow press?
        1. pytar
          pytar 12 January 2020 02: 42
          +3
          And you did not find a link to a more yellow press?

          So it turned out that he participated and am participating in both projects. Recently I got to this article, I read it through the links. I was surprised how accurately and objectively everything is written! I can compare. You want to think so. It is more important for me that with NG gas prices have fallen and it will become available to much more consumers. Gazprom sold expensively, few people crawled gas in us, even though most of the villages were gasified. hi
          1. Astronaut
            Astronaut 12 January 2020 02: 50
            +2
            Your article.
            First. “The plan to deprive Ukraine of gas transit failed,” it was postponed for 5 years - your author thinks narrowly.
            Second. "Instead of three threads, only one will go to Europe" the author is illiterate: already now there are two threads going to Europe besides Ukraine. This is SP-1 and Yamal-Europe
            Third. "From a commercial point of view, this is a very good option: the company has received the opportunity and legal guarantees for the further exploitation of its most important and proven export channel for decades." Only this channel can break off at any minute and again Putin and Gazprom will be to blame.
            Further, I am simply ashamed to analyze this article.
            By the way "participated and participate in both projects"In what capacity did you participate?
            1. pytar
              pytar 12 January 2020 02: 58
              +4
              Quote: Astronaut
              “The plan to deprive Ukraine of gas transit failed,” it was postponed for 5 years - your author thinks narrowly.

              Time matters. The share of LNG is increasing.
              "Instead of three threads, only one will go to Europe" the author is illiterate: already now there are two threads going to Europe besides Ukraine. This is SP-1 and Yamal-Europe

              As I understand it, the author endorses new ones.
              Only this channel can explode at any moment and again Putin and Gazprom will be to blame

              Commercial blame is proved in the courts. And all the other propaganda ...
              Further, I am simply ashamed to analyze this article.

              Most do not even make the least effort, you still tried! hi
              Who did you participate in?

              This is personal information. bully
      2. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 12 January 2020 02: 59
        +1
        they wouldn’t get involved in construction and would look for cheaper sources further. All these articles are for some kind of near-minded people. who makes Bulgaria sign contracts if you don't need them? carry LNG and you will be happy. but you want to make money on transit and grab everything.
        1. pytar
          pytar 12 January 2020 13: 34
          +2
          they wouldn’t get involved in construction and would look for cheaper sources further.

          Everyone has a claim to others. Who is right, only the court decides! Everything else blah blah blah ...
          all these articles are for some foolish people.

          Runet is not an exception.
          who makes Bulgaria sign contracts if you don't need them?

          What are you talking about? You do not have access to contracts, you do not know anything about them!
          carry LNG and you will be happy. but you want to make money on transit and grab everything.

          More outlets, lower price! Transit by itself is a plus.
      3. Alexey LK
        Alexey LK 13 January 2020 05: 35
        +1
        Quote: pytar
        More suppliers, more competition, lower prices!

        Hello Boyan! You are, of course, disingenuous - not all markets are ideal, as described in economics textbooks. Here you, where you live, are unlikely to have several pipes supplying cold / hot water from different suppliers, right? And besides, with a resource scarcity and the lowest cost of pipeline gas, adding LNG gas to your "national cocktail" only increases the average cost, because LNG suppliers will not operate at a loss. So whatever you twist, but all this (diversification) in this case is a political issue, not an economic one.
        1. pytar
          pytar 13 January 2020 10: 16
          +1
          Hello Alexey! I simplify the situation for a more understandable perception, although it is not so simple. Markets are not perfect, that's right. And not anywhere you can create competition. For example, in your example with water. In this case / in Bulgaria / the state regulatory regime enters into force. The supplier of water, if he wants to change the price, must specialize, coordinate and obtain the consent of state bodies. Of course, no one forbids crawling water from your well, if you have such an opportunity. In the villages we have central water supply, in the courtyards there are also wells with drinking water. The system has many disadvantages! At the moment, a scandal is being unleashed due to lack of water in one of the regions, which led to rallies, remains and jurisdictions of ministers!
          What is the error of your discourse? There is really no gas shortage. In Bulgaria, Gazprom was a monopolist. Correspondingly supplied at very high prices. They also came up with a cunning resale scheme for their subsidiaries, which still increased the final price.
          True, the cost of LNG is higher than the pipeline! But Gazprom sold us much higher than cost! And he got overpriced profits over the market! This is due to the lack of a market like that!
          The entry of LNG / and other suppliers / despite the higher cost, creates more or less competitive conditions. There is a fact - Gazprom has already lowered prices for Bulgaria, which has led to lower prices for consumers. I made such a simple illustration.

          Lower consumer prices, not so far (-2 -5%). But this is due to Gazprom subsidiaries in charge of the domestic market in Bulgaria. Let's see what happens next. And so you are right that this is also a tiled question! Gazprom / Lukoil fed a politically sensitive lobby in the BG and something must be done with it! hi
    3. lopvlad
      lopvlad 11 January 2020 23: 43
      +4
      When you look at the whole history of Bulgaria, the bad question "Was it worth the Russian tsar to save his brothers from the Turks, having laid down so many priceless lives of Russian soldiers?" If it were now the territory of Turkey and all the gas pipelines would have been working for ten years and the lives of the soldiers would have been saved.
      1. Machito
        Machito 12 January 2020 00: 06
        +1
        Bulgaria did not want to depend on fraternal Russia. This is her choice. Now it will depend on fraternal Turkey, and, of course, on Russia. Serfs slaves. They do not know how to live freely, without a yoke on their neck.
        1. pytar
          pytar 12 January 2020 02: 26
          +3
          Bulgaria did not want to depend on fraternal Russia.

          The very word "depend" not getting along with "brotherly"! hi
          1. Machito
            Machito 15 January 2020 14: 51
            0
            Someone always depends on someone: weak from strong, strong from weak, etc. Bulgaria depended on Russia in 1876 and will depend in 2076. And we know enough about the history of Bulgaria: it always stands on the side of the enemies of Russia, unlike Turkey. Turkey can be negotiated because it is independent. It is impossible to come to an agreement with Bulgaria because it has lost its independence, given to it by Russia. Not all nations can live freely, some nations are used to living in slavery (look at the Baltic states).
            1. pytar
              pytar 15 January 2020 18: 39
              -1
              Someone always depends on someone: weak from strong, strong from weak, etc.

              "In the modern world, all countries are interdependent." / I quote from memory the GDP /
              Bulgaria depended on Russia in 1876 and will depend in 2076.

              I wish that the country’s wallpapers be free, successful, friendly!
              And we know enough about the history of Bulgaria: it always stands on the side of the enemies of Russia, unlike Turkey.

              After reading a couple of articles from the Internet, some think that they "know enough". On closer examination, we get the following results:

              For 141 years since 1878, Bulgaria and Russia / USSR / RF entered into unfriendly unions 3 times - PMV-2, WWII-3 + NATO-15 years. Amount = 20 years. During these periods, they fought among themselves only 1 time (WWI) and then to the Bulgarian land, in the Balkans. Bearing in mind that the Russian Federation began to consider NATO an enemy since 2014, (-) 10 liters. It turns out 10 years. Of these (-3 years), during the WWII diplomatic relations were maintained. As a result, only 7 years of conflict remain!
              For 142 years, Bulgaria and Russia / USSR / RF have been allies or in close relations for 54 years. They fought together as allies 1 time / WWII /.
              In the remaining 67 years, the relationship was neutral.

              Russia and Turkey have 13 bloody wars. This is the country with which Russia fought the most! Since 1952, a member of NATO. There is no need to count.

              Turkey can be negotiated because it is independent.

              If interests coincide. And they change over time ...

              It is impossible to come to an agreement with Bulgaria because it has lost its independence, given to it by Russia.

              The judgment hints that Bulgaria is "independent" only if it depends on Russia ...

              Not all nations can live freely, some nations are used to living in slavery (look at the Baltic states).

              Everyone wants, but not everyone succeeds. The thirst for freedom is inherent in man! No difference from ego nationality. By the way, often nations do not live freely even in their own states. An example - serfdom in Russia continued for centuries. hi
              1. Machito
                Machito 15 January 2020 20: 37
                0
                All correctly counted, but there is a nuance. In world wars, Bulgaria acted on the side of the enemies, and was friends after the Russian Victory over Europe. Bulgaria is friends with the strongest. If Russia becomes stronger, Bulgaria will immediately remember its fraternal feelings.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 15 January 2020 20: 57
                  0
                  All correctly counted, but there is a nuance.

                  There are always nuances in everything. Depends on the point of view. Each has its own rights.
                  In world wars, Bulgaria acted on the side of the enemies, and was friends after the Russian Victory over Europe.

                  Try to swap places - in world wars, Russia / USSR sided with our enemies. Moreover, in the second place, at first she was "friends" with Germany, then with Britain and the United States. And why? Because her interests so demanded! The situation is changing! So why is it possible for Russia / USSR / RF, but not for others?
                  Bulgaria is friends with the strongest. If Russia becomes stronger, Bulgaria will immediately remember its fraternal feelings.

                  The concept of "being friends" does not exist in politics. People are friends! Fraternal feelings exist between people! But politicians are guided by the interests of their countries, as they understand it! By the way, practice shows that propaganda in the servants of political interests is quite capable of spoiling friendship and fraternal feelings between people!
                  I wish Russia to be strong, and that in the future conditions are created for good relations between our countries! I do not think that there are any contradictions between the Russians and the Bulgarians, as peoples,!
      2. pytar
        pytar 12 January 2020 02: 17
        +3
        When you look at the whole history of Bulgaria ...

        Most Russians do not know the true history of Bulgaria. Know one media stamp: "we once freed them, and they are ungrateful ...".
        the bad question "Was it worth the Russian tsar to save his brothers from the Turks, having laid down so many priceless lives of Russian soldiers?" If it were now the territory of Turkey and all the gas pipelines would have been working for ten years and the lives of the soldiers would have been saved.

        The manifesto of ALEXANDER II contains highly noble goals:
        "BY GOD'S MERCY, Alexander II ... the fate of the oppressed Christian population of Turkey. The desire to improve and ensure its situation ... to alleviate the fate of the Christians of the Balkan Peninsula."
        There were no speeches about business and the advancement of interests of future oligarchs.
        It would be Turkey’s territory now and all the gas pipelines would work as early as ten years and their lives would be saved.

        Well, if we look through gas pipelines, we should never have fought with the Turks! Turkish were Crimea, Transcaucasia, Krasnodar Territory, all of southern Ukraine! Laying distance is shorter and cheaper!

        They reach the Donbas gas pipeline, and then Turkey, to Vienna! It will be necessary to spend more on transit, but it would not be necessary to load into the sea, what are the sanctions ?! laughing
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 12 January 2020 03: 03
          -1
          the main word was. the rest is all from the evil one.
    4. Chaldon48
      Chaldon48 12 January 2020 03: 52
      -3
      As for the little brothers, the question seems to get up on the edge. But do not send them along with Independent to such a mother?
    5. siberalt
      siberalt 12 January 2020 11: 15
      -2
      There is no need to deal with the gasification of the Russian population from the Urals to Kamchaki and the Far East, so we don’t know who else to bring our Siberian gas into Europe. Well, who is the colony? Bulgaria or all the Trans-Urals with Siberia and the Far East? Were it not for these Bulgaria, our speculators for Siberia would not buy Chinese poisonous vegetables, but would grow their own in greenhouses, as is done all over the world. This is what we need to talk about, and not about the vagaries of some Bulgarian kings who have always betrayed and will betray Russia.
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 11 January 2020 17: 01
    +6
    Here is such a world around, here they are .... leaders, politicians, of those countries that are like little brothers.
    But there are no others and is not foreseen in the foreseeable future.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 11 January 2020 17: 11
      -2
      Quote: rocket757
      Here is such a world around, here they are .... leaders, politicians, of those countries that are like little brothers.

      and which are like OUR ... favorites ... cheers ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 11 January 2020 17: 19
        +4
        And what are our others? All of them, with the exception of a couple of countries, have the same ... coordinate systems, goals, tasks and methods! With a slight touch of national traditions, at best.
    2. Lelek
      Lelek 11 January 2020 17: 31
      +13
      Quote: rocket757
      Here is such a world around, here they are .... leaders, politicians, of those countries that are like little brothers.

      hi Victor
      It's time to stop using the terms "brothers" and "brothers" altogether. As practice shows, these are not available and are not expected in the near future. The Warsaw Pact united the "brothers in arms" and where are they now - with American tanks, aircraft and missiles at our borders, drool over our resources and lands. What can we say about those reincarnated people, when two peoples turn their backs nearby and strive to snatch free profits.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 11 January 2020 17: 41
        +3
        Greetings Leo soldier
        Quote: Lelek
        It's time to stop using the terms "brothers" and "brothers"

        I don’t think it will be right. You just need to personalize, FOR BUSINESS, and not all at once, according to the good old memory.
        And dad ... a strong chairman of the collective farm, somewhere there, beyond that outskirts and distant river. As it was, it remains so.
        However, it is not for us to judge what kind of "dear father, chairman of all Belarus" he is. This is their business.
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 12 January 2020 00: 28
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          I don’t think it will be right.

          hi Victor
          Yes tired of their freaks, here and broke. It’s a shame for the Fatherland, we’ll fuss with honey, and we get spitting.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 12 January 2020 09: 21
            +3
            Quote: Lelek
            Yes tired of their freaks

            Politicians, leaders are changing, but the peoples remain! - pathetic, old and not quite consistent with our idea of ​​the present world, but, as it is, in fact.
            I don’t feel like all that was lost forever.
      2. pytar
        pytar 11 January 2020 21: 17
        +8
        It's time to stop using the terms "brothers" and "brothers" altogether.

        I’ll say as an ordinary citizen of Bulgaria:
        I have many friends and relatives in Russia! With him, as well as with those who are not infected with propaganda, and treats us well, we really are BROTHERS! But there are different there Milera, Sechina, Deripaska, Prigogine, no I do not bro! They are from our bandyugan shirts for interests! Peoples and authorities are two different things! hi
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 12 January 2020 00: 45
          -2
          Quote: pytar
          But there are different there Milera, Sechina, Deripaska, Prigogine, no I do not bro!

          hi
          I agree that they are not "little brothers" for you personally, but they did not get into this category for you, but they do their business for the benefit of Russia and offered this benefit to Bulgaria, but your country behaved like an adversary and an outright enemy (I mean the location of the American and NATO military equipment and specialists on YOUR territory under YOUR - "brothers" approval). Your country disrupted the construction of the UP by order from Washington, and it would be an excellent economic aid for you Bulgarians; your country is now playing for time and chewing snot with the laying of pipelines to Serbia (also not without interference from overseas). And you want us - Russia - to call your country brotherly? I don’t go into the past history, but there’s a lot of things that you, I think, would not like to hear about.
          1. pytar
            pytar 12 January 2020 01: 45
            +5
            I agree that they are not "little brothers" for you personally, but they did not get into this category for you, but do their business for the benefit of Russia and offered this benefit to Bulgaria ...

            To crawl Russia? Ha! Most likely on their personal and related structures. For the people, troshki ...
            UP Bulgaria could not be of any use, we know that better. I advise you to follow the link indicated in my previous comment above - "The meaning and nonsense of the Turkish Stream".
            Your country has behaved as an adversary and an outright enemy (I mean the deployment of American and NATO military equipment and specialists on YOUR territory under YOUR - "brothers" approval).

            Nothing of the kind exists in real life. In 2015, Bulgaria refused to accept active elements of the American missile defense system on its territory, and they were deployed in Romania. In 2016, Bulgaria refused to participate in the anti-Russian Black Sea squadron together with Turkey, Romania, Ukraine and Georgia. The failure of Bulgaria buried the entire project. Recent rumors about the upcoming creation of the American Buzz in Bulgaria were refuted in December last year, personally to the Minister of Defense of Karakachanov:
            https://rg.ru/2019/12/06/bolgariia-oprovergla-informaciiu-o-vozvedenii-u-sebia-bazy-nato.html
            Your country thwarted the construction of UP by order from Washington, and it would be for you Bulgarians an excellent economic aid;

            Not Bulgaria stopped UP, but Russia. If the ego were still built, it would have caused enormous damage to Bulgaria.
            your country is now pulling time and chewing snot with the laying of pipelines in Serbia (also not without interference from overseas).

            The Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation is confident that Bulgaria will build the continuation of the Turkish Stream on time:
            https://rus.bg/ekonomika/ekonomika/29146-minenergo-rf-uvereno-chto-bolgariya-v-srok-postroit-prodolzhenie-turetskogo-potoka
            I can definitely confirm this, because of my personal participation! :)))) Everything is on schedule, everything is fine!
            And you want us - Russia to call your country fraternal? I don’t go into the past story, but there are a lot of things that you think you would not want to hear about.

            No! I have already made it clear who I consider brothers! This is definitely not "you" and those similar to you! It is better not to go into the past history, there are many things that you, I think, too, would not want to hear about. In short, we will not reach agreement on many issues with you! hi
            1. Lelek
              Lelek 12 January 2020 09: 24
              0
              Quote: pytar
              I have already made it clear who I consider brothers! This is definitely not "you" and those similar to you!

              I didn’t want to offend you personally, but I didn’t ask you to be a “brother” either. Count as you like and study history more often.
              1. pytar
                pytar 12 January 2020 13: 57
                +2
                I didn’t want to offend you personally, but I didn’t ask you to be a “brother” either.

                I got what you mean! Brotherhood is a personal concept! I don’t want to offend anyone either, but I didn’t invite the brothers! hi
                study the story more often.

                You succeeded! Perhaps it is time to give it to historians, not propagandists?
      3. Astronaut
        Astronaut 12 January 2020 02: 06
        +2
        strive to grab a free profit.

        You repeat stupidity after journalists. The transportation of Russian oil through the territory of the Republic of Belarus is carried out by Gomeltransneft Druzhba (in the days of the USSR - the Gomel Department of Oil Transportation). Therefore, the tax is paid by the Belarusian enterprise. Annual tariffs for oil transportation are signed in November of the previous year. Therefore, this is the "hit" of the Belarusian enterprise.
    3. lis-ik
      lis-ik 11 January 2020 19: 31
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      But there are no others and is not foreseen in the foreseeable future.

      And we have in sight ?!
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 11 January 2020 19: 40
        +1
        Nothing indicates this in any way .... it floats on the surface!
        And what is there, in the "upper kitchen", they do not report to us! If there is, then we will be put .... before a fact or something else! I don’t presume to guess.
    4. pytar
      pytar 12 January 2020 14: 52
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      Here is such a world around, here they are .... leaders, politicians, of those countries that are like little brothers.

      Here the question naturally arises - the whole world is "crooked" or, what's wrong with the beholder ...? laughing
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 12 January 2020 15: 53
        0
        Everyone has a CHOICE of what and how to look at.
        Yes, for the whole world it is not necessary, it is all different.
  3. marshes
    marshes 11 January 2020 17: 13
    +2
    They won't freeze for that laughing
    Gas is power, I can’t understand at home what kind of gas goes either in Kazakhstan or in Uzbekistan. It lights up red and the counter shakes blue. Commodity gas is calculated, quality, in moles per cubic meter. A third supplier would be nice.
    1. knn54
      knn54 11 January 2020 17: 42
      +7
      Greetings to swamps. The gas should be uniform blue. Red - lack of pressure / oxygen. Incomplete combustion of heavy hydrocarbons occurs and soot will accumulate., Yellow is an impurity in the fuel. Either they will be “boiled” at the gas distribution station or the filter is clogged at some well.
      1. marshes
        marshes 11 January 2020 17: 44
        -2
        Quote: knn54
        Greetings to swamps. The gas should be uniform blue. Red - lack of pressure / oxygen. Incomplete combustion of heavy hydrocarbons occurs and soot will accumulate., Yellow is an impurity in the fuel. Either they will be “boiled” at the gas distribution station or the filter is clogged at some well.

        Yes, it seems to me "smart" neighbors have appeared / Who is unwinding the counter from the compressor.
      2. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 11 January 2020 17: 56
        +7
        Quote: knn54
        Greetings to swamps. The gas should be uniform blue. Red - lack of pressure / oxygen. Incomplete combustion of heavy hydrocarbons occurs and soot will accumulate., Yellow is an impurity in the fuel. Either they will be “boiled” at the gas distribution station or the filter is clogged at some well.

        , accessible and popularly told about the flame in the turbines of fighters ... "blue" gas color is a factor of complete combustion of fuel. among our fighters, more often, among foreign ones, it is more common ... not complete combustion. orange-blue (just saw ...) and yes ... what about "stealth" ??? yesterday saw how sews SU 30 (35) ... no trace, no exhaust .. only sound ... and "blue butt" ... at dusk, went well, quickly, "SZ" did not go over, but very fast ,close. As I stood smiling, looking at the ink sky .. so with a smile home and walked ... it was nice.
        1. marshes
          marshes 11 January 2020 18: 00
          +1
          Quote: Aerodrome
          , accessible and popularly told about the flame in the turbines of fighters ... "blue" gas color is a factor of complete combustion of fuel. among our fighters, more often, among foreign ones, it is more common ... not complete combustion. orange-blue (just saw ...)

          MIG-29, black loop in afterburner mode.
  4. Sergey39
    Sergey39 11 January 2020 17: 18
    +2
    It was a shitty idea with Threads. They want to get LNG - let them get it. Instead of gas pipelines, it was possible to immediately build gas-liquefying plants and purchase tankers.
  5. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 11 January 2020 17: 23
    -1
    Is Bulgaria accepted as a serious country? Do not remember that.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 11 January 2020 17: 32
      -1
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Is Bulgaria accepted as a serious country? Do not remember that.
      and Russia? I don’t remember either .... here is the presence of nuclear weapons, makes it ... conversational ... otherwise, nafig would already ....
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 11 January 2020 17: 47
        +2
        Mmmm, well, let’s say about gas, Russia has been supplying Europe for more than 50 years, it concludes long-term contracts with countries such as Germany and China, everything seems to be serious.
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 11 January 2020 18: 22
          -3
          Quote: Pessimist22
          Mmmm, let’s say if about gas, then Russia has been supplying Europe for over 50 years, it concludes long-term contracts with countries such as Germany and China, everything seems to be serious

          and? here is the most interesting ... and Uncle will say "know" ... and? what will Europe do next? at exorbitant prices "slate" to take? yes, the burghers will most likely burn all the trees in the stoves ... and they will be right, we don't need anything from them, pay and take how much gas
          you need ... the systems came together ... not Western, not capitalist, just moneybags. everyone needs to snatch. Western versus Eastern ... suckers-pay ...- we all.
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 11 January 2020 20: 16
          +1
          Quote: Pessimist22
          concludes long-term contracts with countries such as Germany, China, everything seems to be serious.

          I watched an interesting video on gas from Platoshkin.
      2. Terenin
        Terenin 11 January 2020 20: 35
        +7
        Quote: Aerodrome
        Quote: Pessimist22
        Is Bulgaria accepted as a serious country? Do not remember that.
        and Russia? here the presence of nuclear weapons, makes it ... conversational ... otherwise, nafig would have ....

        Oh how winked and tolerant democratic teeth, then (at least) do not mind?
      3. Kursk
        Kursk 11 January 2020 21: 17
        +1
        Respect those who have teeth
    2. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 11 January 2020 18: 02
      +4
      Well, in principle, we did not put our lips in the place of everything and everything in the world. A place without analogues in the world has already been taken - we do not need your reputation at all. Serious as a country next.
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 11 January 2020 18: 24
        +1
        Quote: Mac Simka
        Well, in principle, we did not put our lips in the place of everything and everything in the world.

        "lips" are gone ... in principle.
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    1. marshes
      marshes 11 January 2020 17: 35
      +1
      Salaam Aleikum!
      You have gas in Shym, probably Uzbek.
      It’s a bit for me to set up the stove, it’s good that a small reduction station was installed next to it, from an average pressure of the main, they were installed, otherwise I would pay for the air, the early gas would freeze.
      Although the cunning ones appeared, the counter is turned from the compressor to the return line.
  7. Nikolai Miracles
    Nikolai Miracles 11 January 2020 17: 48
    +4
    They will merge into one pipe: LNG from the future LNG terminal in northern Greece, Turkish stream Siberian gas, Azerbaijani, and later Turkmen and, possibly, Iranian gas through TANAP. The market, however, is competition — lower prices.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 11 January 2020 18: 03
      +1
      Quote: Nikolay Chudov
      They will merge into one pipe: LNG from the future LNG terminal in northern Greece, Turkish stream Siberian gas, Azerbaijani, and later Turkmen and, possibly, Iranian gas through TANAP. The market, however, is competition — lower prices.

      Whoa! And we made it "better". Let there be no one knows whose gas, it is still only orange with heat transfer unthinkable for gas (in the sense that if a liter kettle could be boiled in 3 minutes, now - in 10). But now people will pay separately for gas, and separately for gas delivery (to another company). Well, it will be possible to "regulate" in favor of the state (or personal pockets), whatever the price would be.
      1. marshes
        marshes 11 January 2020 18: 26
        -1
        Quote: Egoza
        But now people will pay separately for gas, and separately for gas delivery (to another company)

        Something I did not understand, you will pay directly to your service provider.
        in my example, Alau transgas, I don’t directly pay Kazmunaigas or Uzbek Gaza or Turkmens.
        But I can’t show anything to the gas showers, I can only snitch on the website or Facebook, our rulers read, they will solve problems later if the number of complaints exceeds a certain threshold.
        By the way, about a year ago, we had gas at 2 tenge at a rate of 36, there were quite terrible frosts, plus the lack of coal at the bases to flood the house. A lot of angry comments appeared on the network, they decided not to make 340 cubic meters, at a rate of 28 and coal is at bases not at a cosmic price, as it was. Despite the fact that the bowels belong to the people, according to the Constitution, people recalled.
        So our rulers monitor social networks.
  8. Mac Simka
    Mac Simka 11 January 2020 17: 59
    +2
    I really did not understand what the snot is about now? If we build, then Th for show. Why on earth can you tell us what to buy and where to carry gas?
    The fact that we did not start work on the Bulgarian part of the pipeline earlier is not our fault, and those who filed appeals in court. Then your Guarantor himself had to become in a pose and supposedly point out. Both worked and work. If you think that we are building slowly - shovels in your hands and a drum on your neck. Build yourself where you priority. And it will do for us.
  9. boris
    boris 11 January 2020 18: 20
    +5
    Or maybe the Kremlin’s time to change their approaches to business.
    It may be time to abandon the very idea of ​​all kinds of transit.
    In the end, gas is a commodity. This product can simply be sold
    to an intermediary (the same Turkey or Ukraine). And let them go further
    they sell this product to anyone they want, and on the conditions that they
    bargain for themselves. With this approach, there is no need
    butting with Bulgaria and other distant neighbors. Let them
    understand each other. Probably this approach has
    its disadvantages, but there is also a very big plus - less head
    pains with all European quirks.
    1. About 2
      About 2 11 January 2020 18: 59
      +7
      There was another idea voiced by one of the professors of economists from Novosibirsk, this is the sale of semi-finished plastics that are made from gas. As he said, raw materials would be in demand and more money would be received and there would be no dependence on the pipe.
    2. pytar
      pytar 11 January 2020 21: 27
      +3
      This product can simply be sold to an intermediary (the same Turkey or Ukraine).

      Everyone is trying to avoid intermediaries. One link is smaller, more profitable to seller and buyer.
  10. Tarasios
    Tarasios 11 January 2020 18: 45
    0
    Hike, Lukashenka is not alone in his "multi-vector";)
  11. About 2
    About 2 11 January 2020 18: 54
    -3
    It seems that history has not taught anything to Vova, but she just screams, Vova do not mess with the Bulgarians.
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  12. Finn
    Finn 11 January 2020 19: 43
    0
    We are what we eat. Take a trip to Bulgaria and try what they eat.
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 12 January 2020 20: 19
      +2
      And what they eat.
  13. Kursk
    Kursk 11 January 2020 21: 23
    0
    "The activities of some of the leading politicians in Bulgaria are also rather strange" - yes, they are strange to say the least, stupid - this is the correct definition
  14. sergo1914
    sergo1914 11 January 2020 22: 34
    +1
    . If ever in the world a championship for simultaneous sitting on two chairs (or even more) is announced,


    Generalissimo, generals and field marshals VO. My prediction. Meehan is really a child.
  15. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 12 January 2020 03: 34
    -2
    Maybe it was better to pull through Serbia and Macedonia to Serbia, I won’t be surprised if the authorities there are more responsible.
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 12 January 2020 04: 02
      +5
      Yes, even through the moon. Once agreed through Bulgaria, then the Kremlin so wanted. Nothing obviously depends on me and on you, on the word at all.
      1. pytar
        pytar 12 January 2020 13: 53
        +2
        Yes, even through the moon.

        Che then the lunar program is stalling ... the trampoline creaks ... sad
        1. Mac Simka
          Mac Simka 12 January 2020 14: 31
          +2
          Yes, their trampoline creaks more and more. As I recall, fireworks over the East already can not believe that they will reach the moon. Though they reached the pipe, it could have broken off like with SP2.
          1. pytar
            pytar 12 January 2020 14: 57
            +1
            I can’t believe that they will reach the moon

            If they continue as they do now, they will not hold out! And after a while to announce that "The moon is too close, it is not worth spending money on it," it is better to jump straight to Mars! And announce the "Martian program"!
            1. Mac Simka
              Mac Simka 12 January 2020 16: 42
              +1
              Well, in principle, we already live in the time of TNCs, so the managers will want it - they will reach Alpha Centauri. Only all this does not fit into the picture of the chewing gum fraternity to some here on VO.
    2. pytar
      pytar 12 January 2020 13: 47
      +2
      Maybe it was better to pull through Serbia and Macedonia to Serbia, I won’t be surprised if the authorities there are more responsible.

      Greece is also a member of the EU. The same laws, those rules and restrictive energy packages, as in Bulgaria. Macedonia is on the same path. You can of course, but the track is longer and more expensive. And the oligarchs like to consider money ...
      1. Senior seaman
        Senior seaman 12 January 2020 15: 35
        +1
        Dear colleague, a question has arisen (For a long time.) Speaking about problems with the pipeline you are referring to EU legislation, they say that it is impossible for the pipes and the gas flowing through them to belong to the same owner. I readily believe, but ... from other countries through which pipelines run, such claims have not been heard for a very long time. (15 years for sure) And then I personally only come up with two options.
        1) Problems in other countries in this regard are not advertised by our media. (I think this is unlikely. Not that I believe in the absolute honesty of our "special correspondents", but there are alternative sources of information, but they are silent.)
        2) The Bulgarian leadership is trying to be holier than the Pope.
        In general, could you clarify this point?
        Thanks in advance.
        1. pytar
          pytar 12 January 2020 16: 15
          +1
          but ... from other countries through which pipelines run, such claims have not been heard for a very long time.

          Dear colleague, hi Your question is logical and justified! I will tell you my opinion. EU legislation is changing over time. It is not static. The conditions and requirements are not the same for everyone, depending on the time, stage and specifics of the objects. The EU energy supply strategy itself is undergoing change. In my opinion, it is quite adequate!
          Problems in other countries about this are not advertised by our media.

          I have been following publications on these topics for a long time, comparing, checking and double-checking them! I think Ross-media / not all! there are outages / drinking unusual! No wonder, after all, Gazprom and the structures associated with it have a resource that is fraught with propaganda! The matter is connected with politics!
          The Bulgarian leadership is trying to be holier than the Pope.

          It is truth too! But here you need to understand what situation it is in? The economic cooperation of Bulgaria with the EU countries is very important, crucial for the development of the country! Ego cannot be replaced with any super-duper gas pipelines! Politics must be guided by the interests of the weird! If there are contradictions, you need to look for a reasonable compromise! After all, every Union is a form of compromise! In that respect, the Bulgarian leadership, having a narrow space for maneuver, manages to win the maximum possible in the interest of their country! hi
  16. prior
    prior 12 January 2020 11: 54
    -3
    As always, the ability of Gazprom lawyers to conclude construction and supply contracts affects.
    Why responsibility for the construction of the Bulgarian site had to be given to the Bulgarians?
    Let it be built by interested parties - Serbia, Hungary and Slovakia. They need gas - and with them the terms.
    And Gazprom would not have a headache about the delivery time.
    1. pytar
      pytar 12 January 2020 13: 50
      +1
      Why responsibility for the construction of the Bulgarian site had to be given to the Bulgarians?

      Because, the highway passes through the Bulgarian territory, the Bulgarian pipe. Not Gazprom decides to whom to give the ego. He can give only that which belongs to him. It's like a highway ... bully
      1. Mac Simka
        Mac Simka 12 January 2020 16: 45
        +2
        In 1996, this was the question and Gazprom turned over the Bulgarian government, which did not want to give up the construction of the Burgas-Alexandroupolis oil pipeline to non-Bulgarian hands and did not want to sell land under the pipes. Deja Vu, no?
        1. pytar
          pytar 12 January 2020 17: 25
          +2
          Déjà vu definitely! The methods are the same! good
  17. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 12 January 2020 12: 29
    -2
    since 1912 they are inadequate, not reliable, non-negotiable, so Humpty Dumpty, heavy Turkish heredity
    1. Mac Simka
      Mac Simka 12 January 2020 16: 47
      +2
      And who is that? First, they drag you by the hair in the police department, and then kick them out. At first, it was liberated, and then Transdanubia. Lovely man, did you even finish school for an hour?
  18. demiurg
    demiurg 12 January 2020 15: 19
    -2
    Quote: pytar

    This is personal information. bully


    The daughter of a pipe layer and a dispatcher, is it not so simple here?
    1. pytar
      pytar 12 January 2020 16: 25
      0
      The daughter of a pipe layer and a dispatcher, is it not so simple here?

      You confuse in another site ... laughing Yes, yes! I met very interesting people here! New Friends acquired, thank them for their friendship! hi I hope someday we will drink a cup of brandy from them! drinks
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