The number of missiles that allegedly shot down a Boeing in the Western media has already increased to two

The number of missiles that allegedly shot down a Boeing in the Western media has already increased to two

Despite the statements of experts that a possible cause of the crash of the Ukrainian airliner on January 8 near Tehran is a technical malfunction, the Western media are beginning to spin up the version about the plane’s defeat by an anti-aircraft missile. At the same time, the number of missiles has already increased to two.


So the American CNN channel claims that the cause of the crash of the Ukrainian passenger plane was hit by not one, but two missiles at once. As stated on the channel with reference to informed employees of the US administration, American intelligence allegedly came to this conclusion.

According to the information gathered by her (intelligence), the Ukrainian passenger plane, as a potential target, mistakenly captured the Iranian radar, and soon after that the airliner crashed. At the same time, the United States proceeds from the fact that the Iranians allegedly shot down the plane by mistake.

CNN notes that US intelligence did not immediately make a statement about the received data on missiles, as "I wanted to check the information first." It is reported that the liner was shot down by two Russian-made SA-15 missiles (Tor-M1 air defense systems).

Another American TV channel ABC News, referring to an unnamed senior American representative, claims that the US intelligence satellite, allegedly before the crash of the Ukrainian liner, recorded a thermal trail of two Iranian missiles that were fired in the direction of the plane.

Earlier, the Prime Minister of Canada Justin Trudeau, the head of the British government, Boris Johnson, announced the version with the defeat of the liner by an anti-aircraft missile. In the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, this version is a priority and almost the only one.

President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky said that the version about a missile entering a Ukrainian Boeing in Iran is not excluded. However, he noted, these assumptions are not currently confirmed.

On January 8, the Ukrainian Boeing 737 airliner crashed in Tehran, with 176 people on board, 9 of them crew members (citizens of Ukraine). All flying on board Tehran-Kiev died.
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  1. Black_Vatnik 10 January 2020 14: 09 New
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    US intelligence did not immediately begin to make a statement about the received data on missiles, because "I wanted to check the information first"
    - this piece is especially good) When did they need confirmation of information? Rhetorical question.
    Next will be, as usual - “We have evidence, but we will not provide it to you”
    1. Edik 10 January 2020 14: 25 New
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      Quote: Black_Jacket
      - this piece is especially good) When did they need confirmation of information? Rhetorical question.
      Next will be, as usual - “We have evidence, but we will not provide it to you”

      Well, very, in time he fell recourse I would not be surprised if the explosive device was on board. Provocation is a US business card.
      1. rich 10 January 2020 14: 35 New
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        А
        American television channel CNN claims that the cause of the crash of the Ukrainian passenger plane was hit by not one, but two missiles at once. As stated on the channel with reference to informed employees of the US military, the US intelligence allegedly came to this conclusion

        1. NIKN 10 January 2020 17: 48 New
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          Quote: Rich
          not one but two missiles at once

          Not true! Not right away, the Second missile was already being hit on the ground by a control in the head.
      2. Karaul73 10 January 2020 15: 54 New
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        If there was an explosive device on board the aircraft, then this is Iran’s direct responsibility. In any case, Iran is to blame. Experts do not believe in a malfunction of a fresh aircraft. In any case, inspection of the remains of the aircraft will shed light on the causes of the tragedy.
        1. maidan.izrailovich 10 January 2020 16: 44 New
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          Karaul73 (Sergey)
          If there was an explosive device on board the aircraft, then this is Iran’s direct responsibility.

          You said stupidity. Iran has absolutely no need to blow up an airplane, where the largest number of Iranian citizens was.
          The party issuing the aircraft is responsible for its technical condition and for terrorist threats possible in the host country.
          If he has already arrived with an explosive device, then this is the responsibility of the airline and the airport from where it arrived in Tehran.
          1. Karaul73 10 January 2020 18: 14 New
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            And so he flew into Tehran with two missiles under his arm! There it is.
    2. Pete mitchell 10 January 2020 14: 38 New
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      hi well you so not glamorous, even as it is not democratically
      Quote: Black_Jacket
      as usual - “We have evidence, but we won’t provide it to you”

      With such a multibillion-dollar budget, I think anyone would love to crawl on the Internet and give out versions of ordinary users of social networks for highly likely data. They won 777 in the Donbas for five years working out the budget
      1. NN52 10 January 2020 17: 07 New
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        Pete Mitchell (Pete Mitchell)
        Hobo, hello!
        Are you as a special, say, with such a "coming" of a Boeing to the ground in a "scatter" of several hectares, from the "black" boxes can there be something in principle, on a civilian side?
        1. Pete mitchell 10 January 2020 17: 43 New
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          Quote: NN52
          from "black" boxes can something remain, in principle, on a civilian side?
          Hi hi they are installed in the tail section with the expectation of separation in a collision. Everything was on fire there - like a chip will fall. Even if damaged by temperature / fire, you can still try to read the information, in the Union such a laboratory seemed to be in Tula: we somehow transported our voice recorder; according to the results of pistons and received by the entire regiment.
    3. smart ass 10 January 2020 14: 55 New
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      After the first divorce, I stopped believing in coincidences, so I think that the Boeing was shot down
      1. Fantazer911 10 January 2020 18: 23 New
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        Do you think that Iran is very interested in taking over and shooting down a plane in the event of a conflict with the USA?
        I don’t know how much they paid you, but such nonsense is even sickening!
        Minus you from me -
        1. smart ass 10 January 2020 20: 39 New
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          Did I say that Iran was shot down intentionally? Perhaps by mistake, maybe not Iran, but I think that they brought down an exact match. And by the way, you can put a couple more minuses, my opinion is.
        2. smart ass 11 January 2020 08: 16 New
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          Well, I'm right, as always, aty swore
    4. kapitan92 10 January 2020 15: 00 New
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      Quote: Black_Jacket
      Next will be, as usual - “We have evidence, but we will not provide it to you”

      Present, like this approximately! laughing
    5. antivirus 10 January 2020 15: 04 New
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      they have not seen yet - from the slingshot the barmalei shot at the Ukrainians, and the pebble was from a thermal seeker to a dvig. not to be found, burned in the fall.
      but intelligence is working and soon they will find a mujahideen, the cat will tell everything on camera-- "I wanted to take revenge on the warriors of the world for supporting Western dmocracy" and rubles will stick out of my pocket
    6. NF68 10 January 2020 15: 38 New
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      Quote: Black_Jacket
      When did they need confirmation of information? Rhetorical question.


      When you have not had time to delve into social networks.
    7. iaaf73 10 January 2020 16: 34 New
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      It turns out that they already checked the information, once made such a statement ?? I wonder how they did it, probably on the principle of hali like (very likely). And in my opinion they just pursue their goals, I see at least three of them. 1) to divert attention from the plague on their bases in Iraq 2) to infiltrate Canadians on Iran, since the coalition is slowly starting to disperse and 3) they want their score with Iran to be 1-1 for downed civilian liners, everyone remembers how in the Persian Gulf the American destroyer also was the Iranian airliner hit by mistake?
    8. Alex Justice 10 January 2020 17: 28 New
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      This is one of many versions. We'll find out the truth soon, maybe.
  2. Nastia makarova 10 January 2020 14: 10 New
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    Yes, you can not post such news at all, just an excuse for the trolls to shout
  3. svp67 10 January 2020 14: 10 New
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    So the American CNN channel claims that the cause of the crash of the Ukrainian passenger plane was hit by not one, but two missiles at once.
    And one of them was clearly released from the Buk Kursk Brigade. You can say a lot of things, but WHERE OF EVIDENCE? Missiles must leave evidence of their participation in this disaster, including in the bodies of people who died in the crash. Present this evidence
    1. Sergey39 10 January 2020 14: 17 New
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      These arguments a priori do not require evidence. Hiley Likely.
      1. albert 10 January 2020 14: 21 New
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        And they will say that Ayatollah Khomeni himself shot.
        1. rich 10 January 2020 15: 49 New
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          From a personal award torus)))
    2. venik 10 January 2020 15: 08 New
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      Quote: svp67
      but WHERE proof?

      =====
      And they NEED ??? The main thing is to do "stuffing"in the media! And then - as in a" bearded "joke about a cat and a mouse:" Well, you never know what a drunk woman will say !? "
    3. Sergey M. Karasev 10 January 2020 16: 20 New
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      Present this evidence

      Now Iran is accused of concealing or destroying evidence.
  4. Grits 10 January 2020 14: 12 New
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    Soon there will be THREE. And all Russian-made
    1. g1washntwn 10 January 2020 14: 25 New
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      Quote: film director Ivan Vasilievich changes his profession
      - Everything, everything that I gained through overwork, nevertheless died! 3 tape recorders, 3 movie cameras abroad, 3 domestic cigarette cases, suede jacket ... three
      laughing
    2. Andrey NM 10 January 2020 14: 53 New
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      Quote: Gritsa
      Soon there will be THREE. And all Russian-made

      And there should be three of them. Iranian, Syrian and Russian. It is obvious. Moreover, the Iranian - the old Russian-made just hit, the Syrian - with chemistry, and the Russian - necessarily S-400 and always missed. Otherwise, why all this trash ...
  5. paul3390 10 January 2020 14: 12 New
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    It’s amazing - as soon as the Americans start a dirty trick somewhere, their opponents of the type knock down the liner right there .. It’s a strange regularity .. And they pretend that they say they believe .. There’s an accident that a satellite flies so secret that the picture from it will show. Well - and so on .. If only they could come up with something new, how much can one boil the same bullshit?
    1. Kurare 10 January 2020 14: 56 New
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      Quote: paul3390
      It’s amazing - as soon as the Americans start a dirty trick somewhere, like their opponents of the type knock down the liner right there .. A strange regularity ..

      Nothing strange, a great way to set up and blame an opponent for terrorism. And how to substitute - there are many ways.
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      Here, a satellite so secretly flies by accident that the photos from it will be shown.

      I think that just now, in view of the aggravation, many satellites are "looking" at Iran. Here, too, there is nothing strange, if "playing" in war games, then for real.
    2. Andrey NM 10 January 2020 17: 28 New
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      Quote: paul3390
      If only something new had been invented, how much can one boil the same bullshit?


      I already wrote about this once. A conference room with striped flags appears. Agenda: need a quick excuse. What are the suggestions? Suggestions? Why? There is a well-developed scheme, well, why are we wasting time here, you just need to bang a civilian plane. How? Oh, these are all the details, let the performers think it. And if you don’t? What does it mean not a ride? Always rolled, but here it doesn’t? Look, and in September 2001, and in 2014, the same ride? What if other countries ask questions? Oh, who will it be? Well, let's say that there is no democracy, there are terrorists ... There! Let's say that they did it! Let them make excuses. First time, perhaps? Where to get the plane? Sure, not a problem. The candidates themselves are already offering, they say that they have decent experience in this matter. Civilians? Victims? Oh, how many of them are there? Well this is not ours. Yes, even if ours, so what? What a trifle. So, well, everyone decided. Yes, look there, in the training manual change the name of the country everywhere, do not confuse, otherwise enter another country, and there will be no oil. Or we’ll send an aircraft carrier there, but they don’t have access to the coast. Well, do not pin up? Would you like to send an aircraft carrier to the coast of Belarus? Well ... Okay, that's it, let's get to the jobs.

      It is amazing cynicism with which tens and hundreds of lives are substituted.
  6. paul3390 10 January 2020 14: 13 New
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    Quote: svp67
    present this evidence

    Well, what are you - gentlemen are customary to take a word .. bully
  7. Flooding 10 January 2020 14: 15 New
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    Obviously, Iran is being persecuted.
    Do not wash, so skate.
    Although, it would seem, much more to demonize him?
    But you need to maintain a degree.
    The technique worked out on a Malaysian plane.
    And the cynical US authorities cannot miss such a chance.
    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 January 2020 14: 48 New
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      Quote: Flood
      Obviously, Iran is being persecuted.
      Do not wash, so skate.
      Although, it would seem, much more to demonize him?
      It’s just not very noticeable that someone is demonizing him. No one wringes his hands, does not lament, does not scream. He does not accuse of bloody provocation in order to substitute the enemy (as some will not point with a finger). Of the possible motives, the least malevolent “probably by mistake” is indicated.
      1. Flooding 10 January 2020 15: 26 New
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        Yes you are right. The words "bloody Iranian dictatorship meanly and deliberately shot down a passenger plane" have not yet appeared. There was no go-ahead. You are talking about this.
        But Iran’s accusations of this are enough to influence the attitude of readers and viewers.
        1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 January 2020 15: 36 New
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          Quote: Flood
          There was no go-ahead.
          And will not be.

          Quote: Flood
          But Iran’s accusations of this are enough to influence the attitude of readers and viewers.
          A lot of things influence the viewer's opinion, even the weather forecast. This does not mean that it constitutes a bullying campaign.
          1. Flooding 10 January 2020 15: 40 New
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            Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
            A lot of things affect the viewers

            Information and its presentation. And nothing else.
            Now we have the accusation of Iran, for which there is no evidence.
            Call it something else if you want.
            1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 January 2020 15: 49 New
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              The intelligence data about missile launches and their trajectory is a very impressive basis for statements, and the official statement of a senior statesman with access to it is a fairly reliable channel for transmitting data to the general public. Naturally, you do not believe in it, but you are not the target audience of the relevant statements.
              1. Flooding 10 January 2020 16: 04 New
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                Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                Intelligence data on missile launches and their trajectory is a very impressive base for statements,

                Do not talk nonsense. So far, these are only unfounded statements, which I must believe in your conviction. Do you think the Secretary of State, who shocked the test tube at the UN, is a rather high statesman?
                Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                Naturally, you do not believe in it, but you are not the target audience of the relevant statements.

                Isn't that bad, right? Or yes?
                1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 January 2020 16: 13 New
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                  Quote: Flood
                  This is not bad, is it?
                  This, of course, is not bad. It is simply useful to understand, when making claims, with what measures to relate to a particular statement, depending on who its target audience is. Your own voters will accept information of one level of certainty (/ "unfoundedness"), the court of another, the citizens of another country who consider you an enemy of the third. Who is the application addressed to?

                  Quote: Flood
                  So far, these are only unfounded statements, which I must believe in your conviction.
                  Absolutely should not, and I never claimed that they should. You have the right to believe or not to believe in anything.
              2. Looking for 10 January 2020 16: 04 New
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                I’m reading. Here are your comments and I’m thinking. -When is this patriotic site? Where is all evil spirits tearing for the West.
          2. Sergey M. Karasev 10 January 2020 16: 29 New
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            And will not be.

            Be.
            Have you noticed that hysteria is developing gradually? At first they talked about those. malfunctions. Then they started talking about the accidental launch of a rocket. Now there are already two missiles. And tomorrow they will announce that the launch was not random, but focused specifically on this unfortunate Boeing. And the province went to write! am
            1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 January 2020 16: 34 New
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              Quote: Sergey Karasev
              Have you noticed that hysteria is developing gradually? At first they talked about those. malfunctions. Then they started talking about the accidental launch of a rocket. Now there are already two missiles.
              I saw that when leaks appeared about missile launches recorded by satellites, two flashes immediately appeared in them.
              1. Sergey M. Karasev 10 January 2020 16: 38 New
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                But these leaks did not appear immediately!
                1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 January 2020 16: 46 New
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                  The first missile leak appeared even before the leaks about the malfunction from the Canadian intelligence. From Al Hazif Agency or something like that. In any case, fortune telling on the order of leaks is an occupation so-so, I would not give it too much importance.
                  1. Sergey M. Karasev 10 January 2020 16: 52 New
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                    The essence is not the essence, the launch of one or two missiles was announced earlier than anything else. It's important that
                    Tomorrow they will announce that the launch was not random, but focused precisely on this unfortunate Boeing.
                    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 January 2020 16: 56 New
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                      This is called https://ru.rationalwiki.org/wiki/Slippery_Kraft and it is a logical mistake. Because it’s not at all a fact that they will announce.
                      1. Sergey M. Karasev 10 January 2020 16: 58 New
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                        The practice of recent years shows that this is not a logical mistake. See for yourself.
                      2. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 January 2020 17: 01 New
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                        Good. Well, you also observe, bearing in mind and remembering about your forecast.
                      3. Sergey M. Karasev 10 January 2020 17: 01 New
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                        Agreed
  • Incvizitor 10 January 2020 15: 30 New
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    Even on the Korean Boeing worked out.
    1. Dude 10 January 2020 16: 18 New
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      Quote: Incvizitor
      Even on the Korean Boeing worked out.

      Moreover, even at the first, in 1978.
  • iouris 10 January 2020 14: 18 New
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    Probably. If the probability of hitting one missile is 0,8, then two are launched at once. At the same time, the probability of hitting at least one missile increases to 0,96, and this is "practically 1": the probability of a miss is 0,2, the probability of two misses is 0,2x0,2 = 0,04, the probability of at least one hit is 1-0,04 , 0,96 = XNUMX
  • knn54 10 January 2020 14: 20 New
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    The radar fixes that the plane took off from Tehran airport, and does not fly to Tehran. What missiles?
    1. vvvjak 10 January 2020 14: 36 New
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      Quote: knn54
      What rockets?

      Well, what kind - Russian. US intelligence even saw serial numbers via satellite. It’s all dumb around, and CNN is the smartest.
  • New Year day 10 January 2020 14: 20 New
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    ... American intelligence allegedly came to this conclusion.

    why is she still silent about the Malaysian Boeing? laughing
    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 January 2020 15: 04 New
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      Quote: Silvestr
      why is she still silent about the Malaysian Boeing? laughing
      She spoke on July 20, 2014, through a statement by Secretary of State Kerry.
      And on December 17, 2014, through a press conference by Assistant Secretary of State Nuland, she confirmed that she had transmitted data to the international investigation and ICAO.
  • Qwertyarion 10 January 2020 14: 21 New
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    Quote: svp67
    You can say a lot of things, but WHERE EVIDENCE

    What for? We live in the days of hype!
    What is the truth, brother? In the throat! Whoever screams louder is truly truthful ... and propaganda is "prettier"
  • Azazelo 10 January 2020 14: 23 New
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    Correctly, the second missile was launched personally by Putin.
    1. AU Ivanov. 10 January 2020 14: 33 New
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      He launched the first one and carried VU on board and buried it in the ground and wrote an inscription.
      1. rich 10 January 2020 16: 02 New
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        Azazelo (Hippopotamus cat): Correctly, the second missile was launched personally by Putin.

        AS Ivanov. (Andrew): He launched the first

  • Gennady Fomkin 10 January 2020 14: 25 New
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    Employees of the American company Boeing expressed doubts about the reliability of some systems of the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft before the crash in Indonesia. This was announced on Thursday by the electronic version of The New York Times. Her journalists got acquainted with the materials that Boeing handed over to the legislators in December 2019 from the Committee on Transport and Infrastructure of the U.S. House of Representatives, as well as the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA). As follows from these documents, the company employees in their internal correspondence noted that they tried to hide various flaws from the FAA.

    “God still didn’t forgive me for hiding last year,” the publication quotes an excerpt from a message that a Boeing employee sent to one of his colleagues in 2018. According to the publication, in this case we were talking about contacts between Boeing and the FAA. In another message from a company specialist dated 2017, the Boeing 737 MAX was rated as follows: "This aircraft was designed by clowns, who in turn are led by monkeys." Other employees in a correspondence in 2018 noted that they would not allow their family members to fly on an airliner whose crew was trained using simulators designed for the Boeing 737 MAX. The American Boeing company expressed doubts about the reliability of some Boeing 737 MAX aircraft systems before plane crash in Indonesia. This was announced on Thursday by the electronic version of The New York Times. : laughing I sat in a Boeing make testament. laughing
  • ufpb 10 January 2020 14: 25 New
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    Technical malfunctions will finally be completed by Ko Boeing. Oh beam beam missiles.
  • Sayan 10 January 2020 14: 29 New
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    Already two? Who is bigger? laughing
  • Odysseus 10 January 2020 14: 29 New
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    We are waiting for stories that Strelkov is to blame. And lawsuits in American courts, of course.
  • ochakow703 10 January 2020 14: 30 New
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    Of course two rockets! Is it possible to bring down an "exceptional" plane alone?
    Yes, there were three of them! He saw fool . What did Comrade Lavrov say about the "rockets"?
  • Romka 10 January 2020 14: 31 New
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    None of the Western politicians attacked Iran. On the contrary, when I would like to launch the whole conflict on the brakes, this version is not quite for them, and by the way. In fact, it all started with the assassination of a general.
  • Gennady Fomkin 10 January 2020 14: 31 New
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    In Armavir, DRLS looks great at the sector.

    As usual, Shoigu waits until idiocy reaches its highest point, then lay out the proof ...; laughing laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin 10 January 2020 14: 37 New
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    Like a hypothesis. The crash of a Boeing occurred 2 hours after Iran’s strike on two US bases in Iraq. Before this, his departure, for an unknown reason, was delayed for an hour - the plane was in good condition and passed technical control on January 6. It seems that this time was needed by Boeing’s specialists (Pentagon contractor) and US intelligence agencies to prepare quick revenge for Iran. Namely, to configure the technical part of an externally controlled Boeing crash, the functionality of which includes remote control of aircraft systems, including engine modes.
    1. 75 Sergey 10 January 2020 14: 50 New
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      No, well, it was burning, and what's the point of dropping the plane due to technical failure, why, if everyone writes it off?
      No, they hastily planted a campaign, and now they are pulling by the ears.
  • Retvizan 8 10 January 2020 14: 42 New
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    When you want to get to the truth, as they say, look for someone who benefits.
    Somehow, at the very right time, the Boeings are “knocking down," when the United States has an urgent need to give abstraction first to Russia, now Iran. ((
    1. Roman070280 10 January 2020 15: 30 New
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      Iran has been in abstraction for many years .. it's hard to win something new here ..
      But Boeing all this hype is definitely not good ..
      So of the losers, the states are more likely to come first ... (well, those who flew on the plane)
  • 75 Sergey 10 January 2020 14: 49 New
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    Campaign Americans planted on the plane, because there was a missile attack, that’s where someone’s nerves surrendered, they began to thrash into everything that moves.
    1. Avior 10 January 2020 15: 06 New
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      It was in the depths of Iranian territory, here the type of rocket is important
    2. bk316 10 January 2020 15: 34 New
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      Campaign Americans planted on the plane, because there was a missile attack

      What planted something?
      1. Vadim02rus 10 January 2020 17: 31 New
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        What planted something?

        Corn hi
  • Uncle lee 10 January 2020 14: 49 New
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    Canadians are one, Americans are two! Who is bigger ???
  • Gennady Fomkin 10 January 2020 14: 53 New
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    Quote: 75Sergey
    No, well, it was burning, and what's the point of dropping the plane due to technical failure, why, if everyone writes it off?
    No, they hastily planted a campaign, and now they are pulling by the ears.

    You paint all 1246 causes of fire, or just basic ?? laughing
    1. syndicalist 10 January 2020 16: 36 New
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      At least one in which both engines and the tail burn simultaneously in a falling airplane, as seen in the video
    2. Revival 10 January 2020 20: 29 New
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      If you can, please write!
  • Gennady Fomkin 10 January 2020 15: 01 New
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    The engine works as a powerful pump-compressor, driving a huge amount of cubic meters of air per second through itself. Moreover, in the course of this run, the air in it is compressed, so that at a much higher speed (than at the inlet), it will exit from the other side. This ensures reactive thrust.

    Sometimes. For different reasons. Flow uniformity is broken. Pressure surges appear - at the engine inlet or directly inside it.

    Most often (but not always), this happens when the engine is operating at maximum speed. That is, on takeoff.

    What happens when flow uniformity is lost? Craving ceases to be constant. Hence these BAM, BOOM-BOOM-BOOM. Often with a flame from a nozzle. And every time the plane is very, very unpleasant and jerks sharply. Https: //youtu.be/lhbVPLnaZtg
  • Avior 10 January 2020 15: 05 New
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    In fact, the fact that there were allegedly two launches was already in the first messages on this topic.
    But did not write that both hit
    From the latest news, they write that there is no sign of fire on the engines, that is, the fuselage was burning, not the engines, and there was a version that shot by mistake, since the IRG allegedly carried out the operation completely independently from the Iranian military to ensure secrecy, and the IRG had a general picture, which led to an erroneous launch on the liner
    In my opinion, if the traces of the rocket’s damaging elements are found and determine the type, then the question is clear, if they don’t find what could also be, then things will drag on for a long time if the cause is not clearly defined.
    The Iranians allowed everyone to investigate ICAO rules, although at first there were reports that the Boeing was allegedly not allowed.
    You need to wait
    And an important nuance
    The plane, of course, is Ukrainian, but most of the victims are Canadians and Iranians.
    1. Mityay65 10 January 2020 15: 28 New
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      Quote: Avior
      In my opinion, if the traces of the rocket’s damaging elements are found and determine the type, then the question is clear, if they don’t find what could also be, then things will drag on for a long time if the cause is not clearly defined.

      It could be a drone with an air-to-air missile. The missile was originally prepared, in terms of damaging elements and fragments.
      1. Avior 10 January 2020 15: 31 New
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        If there is evidence that the Americans made a copy of the Thor missiles for their drones, then this version may be.
        But first you need to explain why the Iranians did not see this drone point blank
        To be honest, I’ve never seen such messages, but if you provide links, I’ll definitely read
        1. Mityay65 10 January 2020 15: 37 New
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          Quote: Avior
          If there is evidence that the Americans made a copy of the Thor missiles for their drones, then this version may be.

          Proof of? We are now at the stage of throwing versions that the opponent is a devil with horns am
          And copies of Thor missiles are not particularly needed - the damaging elements can be found in Ukraine, there are all the components for scattering and photographing.
          1. Avior 10 January 2020 15: 48 New
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            Scatter a little, there should be elements in the details of the plane and the bodies of dead people
            Just so you can’t throw it up, you need an explosion
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              need an explosion

              No. You need to beat the aircraft elements of the equipment of the BG. Those. these elements should be similar to the elements of the TOR in Iran. They are different in different shipments. Match even for metal, metal has also changed.
              The rocket fragments found on the ground must also correspond to the components of the TOP, so they will most likely have to be scattered.
    2. bk316 10 January 2020 15: 30 New
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      that is, the fuselage was burning, not the engines,

      Was dural burning?
      Missiles with termite warhead? belay
      1. Roman070280 10 January 2020 15: 34 New
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        Maybe the Superjet in the Sheremetyevo fuselage did not burn ??
        1. bk316 10 January 2020 15: 41 New
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          Maybe the Superjet in the Sheremetyevo fuselage did not burn ??

          I think it didn’t burn, fuel burned, the interior burned, the wiring was not dural, although duralumin could catch fire due to friction ... but I don’t inform you of air defense as a lieutenant.


          If a person writes "not the engines but the fuselage were burning," what does he mean?
          1. Roman070280 10 January 2020 15: 55 New
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            If a person writes "not the engines but the fuselage were burning," what does he mean?

            Probably, it means the fire from the fuselage .. and not from the engines ..
            Well, specifically whether it is wiring, seat upholstery, or a bomb in a suitcase .. that's another question ..
      2. Mityay65 10 January 2020 15: 34 New
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        Was dural burning?

        Wing fuel tanks in the center section hi
        1. bk316 10 January 2020 15: 35 New
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          Wing fuel tanks in the center section

          That is, after all, not the fuselage, but the tanks?
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            That is, after all, not the fuselage, but the tanks?

            No. If you are such a bookworm, then "the fuel was burning, flowing out of the fuel tanks in the area of ​​the center section and spreading over the fuselage under the pressure of the incoming air, so that the impression was that the fuselage was burning".
            1. bk316 10 January 2020 15: 56 New
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              fuel flowing from the fuel tanks near the center section and spreading along the fuselage under the pressure of incoming air was burning, so that the impression was that the fuselage was burning

              Great, now answer Is burning NOT an engine but fuel in the tank area a sign of the use of SAM?
              AVIOR was trying to push precisely this idea.
              1. Mityay65 10 January 2020 16: 36 New
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                I tried to answer your question about what it means (may mean) "the fuselage was burning." He cited one of the options, others are possible, for this you need to understand where the fuel lines go and there are additional aircraft fuel tanks. The defeat of the aircraft in the area of ​​the center section speaks more about missiles or an air-to-air missile with a radar seeker.
                But to discuss whether it was a missile launcher or something else is too early, it is necessary to understand whether the defeat of the aircraft with fragmentation damaging elements.
                This will come to light very quickly. It should have been clarified - yesterday.
                Why is this not yet.
                1. Mityay65 10 January 2020 16: 45 New
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                  And here is the status update in 16-06 Moscow time:
                  On January 10, during a briefing in Brussels, a representative of the European Commission said that so far there was no convincing evidence that an Iranian missile shot down an Ukraine International Airlines plane.
                  "At this stage, there is no convincing evidence of the cause of the incident, and we are still waiting for the results of the investigation, which is ongoing," the representative of the European Commission said.
                  He stressed that the commission expects an independent investigation in accordance with international rules.
                  “We need an independent investigation that can be trusted. There are international rules for this. And we expect that each party involved in the investigation will abide by them,” the EC representative said.
                2. bk316 10 January 2020 16: 48 New
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                  The defeat of the aircraft in the area of ​​the center section speaks more about missiles or an air-to-air missile with a radar seeker.


                  Of course, I can discuss with you what damage which missiles cause, since I was taught this, but why? I already wrote a little lower.

                  There is one incontrovertible evidence - a find inside the remnants of the fuselage or units of HAZARDOUS ELEMENTS (as with a carcass shot down by ukrami)
                  There are so many of them in any missiles that it is impossible to find, and they are different for different missiles.


                3. O. Bender 10 January 2020 18: 38 New
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                  A rocket’s defeat of air air usually occurs in the engines of their rear half-sphere, because air charges are relatively small due to the small size of the rocket, the defeat of Zur ground air occurs, as a rule, due to fragmentation and high-explosive impact on an air target. air air and Zur with ground pu will have characteristic differences.
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                I didn’t try to push anything, I just wrote that I read on the net
                And when I read it, I asked myself, and who said that the engines were burning and that there was a breakdown?
                Initially, the Iranians said this immediately after the fall, but at the time they clearly could not know what was the matter, because of which the plane fell
                1. bk316 10 January 2020 18: 19 New
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                  I didn’t try to push anything, I just wrote that I read on the net

                  Do you agree with my statement?
                  There is one incontrovertible evidence - a find inside the remnants of the fuselage or units of HAZARDOUS ELEMENTS (as with a carcass shot down by ukrami)
                  There are so many of them in any missiles that it is impossible to find, and they are different for different missiles.
                  1. Avior 10 January 2020 18: 58 New
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                    Undisputed, I agree, if they find.
                    But keep in mind that even for trial evidence is needed sufficient, not indisputable
          2. Avior 10 January 2020 15: 46 New
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            It is crucial whether the engines burned or not.
      3. Avior 10 January 2020 15: 44 New
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        Cabin fire, for example, or fuel tanks
        Only dry Sukhoi was not far away, people died, tanks burned.
        Do you think there is much to burn in the engine design itself? There is solid titanium and other metals, there is even less fuel there than in the cabin
        1. bk316 10 January 2020 15: 58 New
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          Do you think there is much to burn in the engine design itself?

          Eat a little laughing There temperatures are far beyond 1000 degrees.
          But I'm not talking about this, I'm talking about the fact that the ignition of fuel does not at all indicate the ingress of SAM. After getting missiles, fuel can burn, the engine can, or maybe both happen for a hundred other reasons.
          There is one conclusive evidence - finding inside the remnants of the fuselage or assemblies of HAZARDOUS ELEMENTS (as with a carcass shot down by ukrami)
          There are so many of them in any missiles that it is impossible to find, and they are different for different missiles.
        2. AU Ivanov. 10 January 2020 16: 23 New
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          Titanium is on fire. Temperature up to 3000 ° Titanium fire - a terrible thing.
          1. Avior 10 January 2020 18: 52 New
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            Like aluminum
            There would be conditions. Aluminum is much simpler than titanium
  • eagle owl 10 January 2020 15: 05 New
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    It's time for a narcologist to call
  • Gennady Fomkin 10 January 2020 15: 05 New
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    https://youtu.be/qWai6g20QAc
  • Gennady Fomkin 10 January 2020 15: 23 New
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    Quote: Avior
    It was in the depths of Iranian territory, here the type of rocket is important

    laughing And why bullet some rocket at home? Could Mahmoud from the shaitan of the pipe pulnul? laughing laughing
  • Grandfather-Shchukar 10 January 2020 15: 24 New
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    Well, now the IRAN will be blamed for five years and will be sanctioned with additional sanctions .. And then Russia will be blamed, I won’t even be surprised ..
    As everything is stereotyped and rude, "gentlemen provocateurs" ...
    1. Avior 10 January 2020 15: 38 New
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      To be honest with you, the accusations of Russia are visible only here, in the VO, in the comments smile
      As if here at every step, agents of the State Department gathered
      Nowhere else have I seen accusations that this was shot down by Russia. Just a collective masochism of some kind of god!
      But why is this ?!
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        To be honest with you, the accusations of Russia are visible only here, in the VO, in the comments smile
        As if here at every step, agents of the State Department gathered
        Nowhere else have I seen accusations that this was shot down by Russia. Just a collective masochism of some kind of god!
        But why is this ?!



        Get used to it. Now they will spit, they will spit out each other along and across. Two hours later, calm down. For some, patriotism is a diagnosis.
      2. Grandfather-Shchukar 10 January 2020 16: 04 New
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        Quote: Avior
        To be honest with you, the accusations of Russia are visible only here, in the VO, in the comments

        A long time ago already noticed it ... hi
        Quote: Avior
        As if here at every step, agents of the State Department gathered

        They wrote it in vain .. They’re afraid to write it out loud, they trample at once hehe
        Quote: Avior
        Just a collective masochism of some kind of god!
        But why is this ?!

        Well, why, they are shaking Mother Russia again .. The authorities are demanding a change, not explicitly, but very thinly dripping a drop of poison dripping dripping .. Now the flow is already gone laughing
      3. Sergey M. Karasev 10 January 2020 16: 56 New
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        Nowhere else have I seen accusations that this was shot down by Russia. Just a collective masochism of some kind of god!

        Perhaps the total number of ukrov, Balts and Israeli Jews on the site has already exceeded the number of Russians. Again, among the Russians there are enough and heaped up with casparoids.
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          Quote: Sergey Karasev
          Again, among the Russians there are enough and heaped up with casparoids.

          They’re just afraid that they will object and offend .. That's our trouble !!!
          Quote: Sergey Karasev
          Perhaps the total number of ukrov, Balts and Israeli Jews on the site has already exceeded the number of Russians.

          Well, judging by my pressure and myocardial infarction, hehe heh .. hi
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            They’re just afraid that they will object and offend .. That's our trouble !!!

            "Sometimes it's better to chew than talk" (C) But no! Be sure to insert your five cents. Is there an urgent need for this?
    2. syndicalist 10 January 2020 16: 41 New
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      If they establish that they shot down a rocket, then Iran will probably repent and there will be no additional sanctions. The main thing here is not to persist in heresy.
  • Incvizitor 10 January 2020 15: 27 New
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    In no case should black boxes be given to them, they will lie over and lie and hide the boxes.
  • Gennady Fomkin 10 January 2020 15: 30 New
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    Quote: Avior
    In fact, the fact that there were allegedly two launches was already in the first messages on this topic.
    But did not write that both hit
    From the latest news, they write that there is no sign of fire on the engines, that is, the fuselage was burning, not the engines, and there was a version that shot by mistake, since the IRG allegedly carried out the operation completely independently from the Iranian military to ensure secrecy, and the IRG had a general picture, which led to an erroneous launch on the liner
    In my opinion, if the traces of the rocket’s damaging elements are found and determine the type, then the question is clear, if they don’t find what could also be, then things will drag on for a long time if the cause is not clearly defined.
    The Iranians allowed everyone to investigate ICAO rules, although at first there were reports that the Boeing was allegedly not allowed.
    You need to wait
    And an important nuance
    The plane, of course, is Ukrainian, but most of the victims are Canadians and Iranians.

    laughing The expert issued his conclusions for the indisputable truth
  • arhPavel 10 January 2020 15: 47 New
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    Amazing next door.
    It could be anything. Only we all remember how hysteria swells in the right directions.
    Interventions in elections, Skripal and scourges, Boeing in the Donbas, a chemical attack in Syria.
    I think the United States is simply preparing the ground for a strike when necessary. The attack can now result in high losses. You must first swing from the inside, find out and then, attack.
    I think from 1,5 to 3 months it will go into the planning and implementation of some kind of Mega dirty tricks on s.
  • Dikson 10 January 2020 15: 48 New
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    while the crew fell from a 2 km distress signal? What silently stuck in the ground? If they said, “engine fire”, the crew had to notify the dispatchers about the emergency situation on board .. And if they didn’t have time to transfer anything to the ground, then this is either an explosive device, or really a rocket ..
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    How the Malaysian Boeing over Ukraine was shot down did not tell anything. And then it turns out they have everything and laid out everything. So there is something to hide in Ukraine.
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      Absolutely!
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  • Gennady Fomkin 10 January 2020 16: 07 New
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    By the way. After an attack on a missile shot down, Iran announced that it would decrypt the black boxes. If you need help, I promised to call.
    1. Sergey M. Karasev 10 January 2020 17: 01 New
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      And they’ll do it right!
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    Quote: Dikson
    while the crew fell from a 2 km distress signal? What silently stuck in the ground? If they said, “engine fire”, the crew had to notify the dispatchers about the emergency situation on board .. And if they didn’t have time to transfer anything to the ground, then this is either an explosive device, or really a rocket ..

    The Iranians immediately said that the board was silent. People associated with servicing "Boeing" write that the transponder suspiciously quickly chopped off, they suspect problems with electricity.
  • Gennady Fomkin 10 January 2020 16: 12 New
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    The lack of combustion of the aircraft after the "hit" of the first rocket, apparently, led to the version that there were two missiles. laughing
  • Gunner 10 January 2020 16: 14 New
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    The first is launched from the USA, the second from Israel, both produced in Russia.
  • evgen1221 10 January 2020 16: 18 New
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    Editor-Guys need material on an incident, for now it's hot. Reporters Duc nebylo ours there, and the known facts are already online and media. Editor-Why are you being fed !. And then such a reporter comes to the editor of thet and thet-steve has material! And let's write that there were 2 missiles? -All of them was xs, and we had 1 and I had a tooth. . And an article is published about the billions of victims of Stalin personally, or 2 missiles, or something else. The guy who wrote it, checked his own, he saw everything without leaving the office and kept a candle in things.
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    Well done! Purely Ukropovsky script. Knock down, appoint the guilty and ring all the bells, applying whatever you want. In general, well done. But not well done.
  • dgonni 10 January 2020 16: 25 New
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    CNN didn’t report two missile hits, but the fixation of two missile launches!
  • Kostadinov 10 January 2020 16: 27 New
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    Quote: Sentry73
    If there was an explosive device on board the aircraft, then this is Iran’s direct responsibility. In any case, Iran is to blame. Experts do not believe in a malfunction of a fresh aircraft. In any case, inspection of the remains of the aircraft will shed light on the causes of the tragedy.

    1. An explosive device on board an airplane taking off from London is the direct responsibility of the British authorities? And the United States bombed Libya for it. I will not continue the analogy.
    2. At first, the experts did not believe in the malfunction of an even more recent Boeing 737 max, and then they believed.
  • Kostadinov 10 January 2020 16: 30 New
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    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    Little of. I would gather a hundred thousand witnesses who would swear on the Koran that they saw a drone flying from the border and back and saw how it launched rockets. laughing

    I guarantee you that at least a quarter of the population of planet Earth would accept this version with a bang.

    Moreover, the United States once shot down an Iranian civilian plane in 1988 over the Persian Gulf. they have such a tradition.
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    An Iranian military attacked an American military in Iraq, said Iranian Air Force and Space Forces Commander-in-Chief Amir Ali Haji-zade on January 9, According to Haji-zade, Americans lost full access as a result of Iran’s electronic strike to the electronic systems of their reconnaissance aircraft and drones. laughing


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  • Gennady Fomkin 10 January 2020 17: 12 New
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    The United States even appointed a representative to the commission, but ... they cannot come, sanctions. So high-likly is still at work. laughing
  • Professor 10 January 2020 17: 28 New
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    The crash site of the Boeing 737 "Ukraine International Airlines" in Tehran, after removing the debris, cleared bulldozers.

    This was announced by the founder of the international investigation team Bellingcat Eliot Higgins in the comment "Ukrinform."

    "Confirmed that the scene of the accident bulldozed, and the wreckage was removed, which makes it very difficult to conduct an examination at the site of the crash. This raises even more questions about Iran’s involvement, "he stressed.

    According to Higgins, the big question is how the Iranian air defense systems could direct a missile at an airliner that was so close to the airport.

    "I think the plane was shot down by accident, because the air defense in this area was on high alert after Iranian missile attacks on an American base in Iraq," he added.

    The Bellingcat team continues to collect video from the scene of the tragedy, shot before the debris was removed.

    In turn, the chief editor of the publication "Censor.net" Yuri Butusov wrote on Facebook that the details of the aircraft continue bulldozer and deliver to the collection site.
    1. Avior 10 January 2020 18: 55 New
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      Go nuts
      And I did not believe that the Iranians could do this
  • Vladimir M 10 January 2020 18: 27 New
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    Quote: Romka
    None of the Western politicians attacked Iran. On the contrary, when I would like to launch the whole conflict on the brakes, this version is not quite for them, and by the way. In fact, it all started with the assassination of a general.

    This is so far the Euro-people do not attack Iran, the main thing is that Iran would plead guilty, and only then they would attack
  • Gennady Fomkin 10 January 2020 18: 41 New
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    By the way. very strange contingent of passengers. Explain to me stupid why a crowd of Canadians with Iranian names like to fly from Iran to Kiev? What should they do there? Just flew to leave Iran? Where was the flight there and flew? laughing
    1. Professor 10 January 2020 19: 03 New
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      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      By the way. very strange contingent of passengers. Explain to me stupid why a crowd of Canadians with Iranian names like to fly from Iran to Kiev? What should they do there? Just flew to leave Iran? Where was the flight there and flew? laughing

      Very funny to you when you write about the dead?
      Head sometimes need to think. fool It is cheaper to fly from Tehran to Toronto via Kiev, as well as from Tel Aviv to Shanghai via Moscow.
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      Nothing strange. The crowd of students returned after the holidays to the Alma Mater from their homeland to Canada. We flew to those where tickets are cheaper, Kiev intermediate landing.