Iran rejects allegations of Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile strike

Iran rejects allegations of Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile strike

Iran has denied allegations by some foreign officials that a Ukrainian passenger Boeing-737 could have been shot down by an Iranian missile. Iran’s government spokesman, Ali Rabei, called the allegations “a big lie” and “fraud,” Iran’s Press TV reported.


Once it becomes known that these allegations are fraudulent, no one dares to take responsibility for such a big lie. It is unfortunate that this psychological operation of the US government and those who support it knowingly and unconsciously, adds insults to the feelings of the families of the deceased, and, by spreading this lie, pursues certain goals

- said Rabei.

To open the investigation into the crash of an airplane, Iran has already invited the United States National Transportation Security Council (NTSB), the Canadian Transportation Security Council (TSB) to join it. In addition, representatives of Ukraine are already working at the crash site.

Earlier, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau accused Iran of using a missile to destroy a Ukrainian aircraft.

We have intelligence from many sources, including from our own intelligence services and from the intelligence of our allies, according to which the plane was shot down by an Iranian ground-to-air missile

- he said.

He was also echoed by the head of the British government, Boris Johnson, who also did not rule out the possibility of a missile crash.

Currently, there is a lot of information that the flight was shot down by an Iranian ground-to-air missile. It could very well have been unintentional

- He said and added that London "stands for the transparency of the investigation."

Earlier, a plane’s defeat by a rocket, as a priority version of the disaster, was announced in Kiev.

The priority is the defeat of an aircraft by an anti-aircraft missile system of an air defense missile system, including the Tor air defense missile system, since information about the detection of fragments of a Russian missile near the site of the accident has already appeared on the Internet

- said the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Aleksey Danilov.

In Iran itself, and in other countries, the ignition of an airplane engine is considered a priority version for technical reasons.

On January 8, the Ukrainian Boeing 737 airliner crashed in Tehran, with 176 people on board, 9 of them crew members (citizens of Ukraine). All flying on board Tehran-Kiev died.


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  1. Aaron Zawi 10 January 2020 09: 45 New
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    Silence to everyone for at least a week. Out of respect for the dead and until the initial examination by experts of the remains of the aircraft.
    1. Hunter 2 10 January 2020 09: 49 New
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      Aron, would you still tell Who to contact with your proposal?
    2. Red
      Red 10 January 2020 09: 52 New
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      Good afternoon! Unfortunately, the Western press has not accepted silence. Need a sensation. As an example, the New York Times has already published a video of the alleged defeat of the Ukrainian side.

      https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/video/iran-plane-missile.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
      1. Roman070280 10 January 2020 10: 31 New
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        it’s not accepted to be silent in the Western press

        Well, in any press ..
        Or did you forget our press after the crash of a Boeing in the Donbass ..
        1. Invoce 10 January 2020 12: 33 New
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          Quote: Roman070280
          it’s not accepted to be silent in the Western press

          Well, in any press ..
          Or did you forget our press after the crash of a Boeing in the Donbass ..

          Somehow everything is VERY explicit! As soon as you need to impose sanctions on someone - bring down a Boeing !!!!
          Boeing has financial problems due to the failure of 737MAX, only an order from the Pentagon will save the Boeing from bankruptcy!
          The chain is this: The request for a sanction is the fall of the Boeing. Notice AirBass, not another type, but BOING! request Maybe it's time to abandon the purchase of Boeing airlines so that there are no disasters when the State Department needs it? And return the leased to the supplier? Go to AirBase?
          Everything is so obvious that it takes a rash and I do not want to believe in the obvious. If the State Department needs, then the death of 100-300 foreign citizens for the United States is a collateral loss, there is always the opportunity to pay off, because Media, Courts, international organizations feed on corruption schemes in dollars what
          1. Romario_Argo 10 January 2020 12: 59 New
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            all modern technology has hidden ones - tabs, bookmarks, firmware, etc. crap
            * for remote control interception, information acquisition, etc.
            Boeing may not be aware
            - that some equipment provides access to the "brains" of the aircraft to US special services
            - or in the know, but this is from the topic of the US National Security
            In short, the Boeing in Iran intentionally dropped the US special services (!)
            * just the Ukrainian board was in the wrong place - and at the wrong time
          2. Win1945 10 January 2020 13: 25 New
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            To refuse to buy a Boeing. You must first make your plane. And it is desirable that he does not fall.
          3. Roman070280 10 January 2020 13: 54 New
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            Everything is so obvious


            I do not understand what is obvious here ..
            For me personally, it’s obvious that in this case (against the backdrop of recent disasters), the latest state of emergency in Iran does not play into the hands ..
            If at least one potential passenger / buyer believes that they shot down a rocket, it will not matter to him .. And the other, doubting the reliability, will definitely not fix the financial problems of a Boeing ..
      2. Alex Justice 10 January 2020 17: 59 New
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        https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/video/iran-plane-missile.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

        Very similar to a rocket.
    3. vvvjak 10 January 2020 09: 56 New
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      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Silence to everyone for at least a week.

      It's right. "Shut up - suddenly you will marry a smart one." This applies equally to Danilov and B. Obama. I watch it has become very fashionable in the media environment "to arrange dancing not even on cooled bones." Investigations of air crashes are carried out to prevent them in the future, but in our world it is increasingly being used as a political "PR" or an occasion for political decisions.
      1. Avior 10 January 2020 10: 13 New
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        In fact, Danilov did not say that the rocket version is a priority
        1. vvvjak 10 January 2020 10: 16 New
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          Quote: Avior
          In fact, Danilov did not say that the rocket version is a priority

          Obama also did not talk about the fault of Russia 40 minutes after the fall of MH 17?
          1. Avior 10 January 2020 10: 26 New
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            I prefer to discuss issues in essence, and not what Obama chatted there
            If Danilov said this, drop the link or quote
        2. Lopatov 10 January 2020 10: 39 New
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          And how else can you evaluate the following phrase?
          The group consists of 45 people, these are representatives of 12 ministries and departments. At present, a meeting is taking place with the participation of representatives of the competent authorities of Iran, including Iranian ICAO - an international civil aviation organization. Various versions of the sudden crash of the aircraft are being studied, among the main ones: the plane being hit by an anti-aircraft missile of anti-aircraft missile systems, including the Tor air defense system, since information about the detection of fragments of a Russian missile near the crash site has already appeared on the Internet
          1. Avior 10 January 2020 12: 05 New
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            as written so understand
            there are seven main versions, among these seven there really is a version about a missile hit
            in full accordance with your quote
            Currently, 7 versions of the reasons for the crash of the Boeing-737 aircraft of UIA in Tehran, Iran, four of which have been made public, and another three have not been disclosed, are currently being considered, says Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Oleksiy Danilov.

            “Today, the main version does not exist. Today we have four open and three closed (versions - IF) .....
            At the same time, in the commentary of Radio Liberty, the NSDC secretary noted that the experts did not have any basic version, as well as the prevalence of one over the others.

            hi
            1. Lopatov 10 January 2020 12: 44 New
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              Quote: Avior
              as written so understand

              What are we talking about. Are you trying to blur this fact

              After all, in black and white it is indicated that the version of the defeat of an anti-aircraft missile is the first of the main
            2. tihonmarine 10 January 2020 13: 01 New
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              Quote: Avior

              as written so understand
              There are seven major versions,

              Version, it's easier to say "one woman said" (or man). But the conclusion of international experts, this is proof. So we will not be likened to these "women."
      2. seregatara1969 10 January 2020 10: 33 New
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        It’s good that Iran will not give black boxes before decryption. All refer to the experts of the belingcat. and this agency was formed three days before the death of the plane over Ukraine
        1. vvvjak 10 January 2020 11: 02 New
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          Quote: seregatara1969
          all refer to Belingcat experts

          Very "serious" experts. With the Russian "BUK" om already "went to bed." Now another "fake" is being shoved. "ONLY BUSINESS" - corpses are not the main thing.
          1. tihonmarine 10 January 2020 13: 07 New
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            Quote: vvvjak
            Now another "fake" is being shoved. "ONLY BUSINESS" - corpses are not the main thing.

            Whose fake (brekhalovka) scored more rating, they appoint it as a “version without proof”, and experts are not interested in the opinion of experts. Everyone (93%) knows that the most “best, truthful” experts are politicians and media representatives. (What V.I. Lenin said about them you know.)
          2. Nyrobsky 10 January 2020 14: 05 New
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            Quote: vvvjak
            Quote: seregatara1969
            all refer to Belingcat experts

            Very "serious" experts. With the Russian "BUK" om already "went to bed." Now another "fake" is being shoved. "ONLY BUSINESS" - corpses are not the main thing.
            Yeah, the mention of these "experts" is just alarming, because they are clearly pocket-sized and work out political orders. The same "white helmets", only on the aviation theme. The main version can be only one, the mattresses dropped the plane in order to distract the attention of the international community from the killing of Suleymani and the shameful “lounging” of mattress bases by Iranian missiles. The second version is a technical malfunction. Why the Iranians to shoot down a civilian plane flying from their airport and over their territory? But the Americans have such a hand.
    4. venik 10 January 2020 10: 04 New
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      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Silence to everyone for at least a week. Out of respect for the dead and until the initial examination by experts of the remains of the aircraft.

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      On the blood of human rascals "PR"!
      1. bessmertniy 10 January 2020 10: 30 New
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        Unfortunately, in such cases, the media do not work with measures that require confirmation of the accuracy of the information. If the media were punished with large fines for false information, they would wait for expert opinions, and would be more cautious in speaking out according to versions. hi
    5. Grandfather-Shchukar 10 January 2020 15: 41 New
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      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Silence to everyone for at least a week. Out of respect for the dead and until the initial examination by experts of the remains of the aircraft.

      Aron and the lice were silent when a Boeing was shot down over the Donbass? On the same day, a world howl began and Obama directly blamed Russia and other vassals .. But there is no evidence?
      Let's not pretend to be fluffy rabbits .. We know your brother .. (no offense)
  2. Ravil_Asnafovich 10 January 2020 09: 45 New
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    Someone again wants a lot of blood.
    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 January 2020 09: 51 New
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      There will not be a lot of blood due to an accidentally shot down plane. Even there will be no sanctions for the plane, Iran has them higher than the roof, the swift is already turned off, all foreign property has already been arrested. And with all this situation around the nuclear deal and the base attack, it’s more difficult to think of what else can be done with Iran than to find a reason for this.
      1. Pete mitchell 10 January 2020 12: 08 New
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        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
        due to accidentally shot down aircraft

        Look for someone who benefits. Let me offer you another option: the air defense system was based in the indicated bourgeoisie on an ongoing basis: it was not dragged there before the shot. So it was included in the general scheme for a long time and before that calmly excluded take-off planes from the list of targets. If you believe the bourgeoisie: then highly likely the command to use passed by mistake. Who benefits from this? Iran think is the last on this list.
        And even if this is a downfall: it would be good to prove that it was an Iranian missile, and not a stranger, which was simply dragged to the Iranian position.
        Actually, the situation is archaic
        1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 January 2020 13: 34 New
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          Quote: Pete Mitchell
          Look for someone who benefits.
          This is a good heuristic rule, but it is not universal. It does not take into account that people are able to make mistakes and involuntarily do things that are not at all profitable for them.

          But, on the other hand, from a rational point of view it is not profitable for anyone to shoot down a civilian plane for the sake of provocation, because if something goes wrong (and there can be a lot of things) or someone spills out and the situation opens, then the reputation damage will be huge . Not even close commensurate with the benefits that can be obtained in this way. And all this for what? In order to have an extra reason to impose sanctions, of which reasons, if desired, an already wagon?
          1. Pete mitchell 10 January 2020 13: 57 New
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            I say this is just a different approach
            Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
            but it is not universal. It does not take into account that people are able to make mistakes and involuntarily do things that are not at all profitable for them.
            So we must admit that everyone who flew by this exit scheme was lucky before that, until someone made a mistake. A similar proposal from the bourgeoisie looks like dance invitation: Iran gave a chance to save face, and we give it a chance.
            Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
            on the other hand, to shoot down a civilian plane for the sake of provocation from a rational point of view is not beneficial to anyone

            You say that from the point of view of simple biblical values, but around -777 in the Donbas for 5 years no results, everyone plays their games.
            And again, we must also prove that it is a rocket and it is Iranian
            1. Demon_is_ada 11 January 2020 04: 23 New
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              If you generate all possible versions, then in my opinion, judging by the frames of the fall, it’s something small of the missiles that flew for too long. The TOR missile is fragmentation and it would be like a colander, and given the full tanks, it would burn very well from the consoles and hit 50 meters further, falling strength and collapse in the air. It’s more like MANPADS or the most likely missile from an unmanned aerial vehicle, Kum + land mine. The fact that the Iranians used electronic warfare they declared themselves to suppress drones, and who can say that they didn’t launch a missile from the drone at the auto tracking and then there was a loss of communication? And as far as I know, they put pressure on the communication frequencies using the combinations recorded earlier, but could the drone change the target? It’s easy ... And the fact that drones are not armed with explosive rockets doesn’t interfere with hitting the target below ... did they end up in a moving car with Suleimani? And shock drones usually hang around 5-8 km ... Yes, and the Iranians seem to be leveling everything like a bulldozer request either according to Lavrov (it does not seem) or have already found irrefutable evidence ... And the drone is most likely Canadian ... yeah ...
  3. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 January 2020 09: 50 New
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    In vain they abut. Practice shows that a pre-trial settlement is almost always more than possible if you peacefully agree with the injured party (and this is in this case Ukraine, which is not so bloodthirsty with respect to Iran).
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        1. ultra 10 January 2020 10: 29 New
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          In reality, there only Jews and Americans shot down civilian sides.
          1. To be or not to be 10 January 2020 12: 14 New
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            1. Iran missile strike == According to the Iraqi military, 22 ballistic missiles were fired between 1:45 am and 2:15 am, 17 toward Ayn al-Asad base and five at Erbil.
            On January 8, between 1:45 and 2:45 in the morning, Iran launched missile strikes at US bases in Iraq (Operation Martyr Suleimani) in response to the assassination of General Suleimani.
            2. 3.00- After Iran’s missile strike on an American base in Iraq, the Iranian military disrupted the work of American drones, said the commander of the space forces of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) Amir Ali Hajizadeh.
            "We conducted an electronic warfare operation approximately 15 minutes after the attack on the Ein al-Assad base, and American unmanned aerial vehicles were out of control," said Hajzadeh, RIA Novosti reports .https: // vpk. name / news / 364103_iran_soobshil_ob_uspeshnom_obezvrezhivanii_amerikanskih_bespilotnikov.html

            3.Boeing 737-8KV (board UR-PSR) performed international flight PS-752 from Tehran to Kiev
            After an hour delay, flight 752 took off from the runway No. 29R of the Imam Khomeini Airport, and at first the flight took place in normal mode.

            Departure === At 02:38 UTC (06:08 local time),
            -the connection was lost == at 02:44 UTC (06:14 local time), when the liner at a speed of 509 km / h rose to an altitude of 2416 meters, communication with it unexpectedly ended (from Wikipedia)

            An interesting situation with American UAVs in the area whose. How much and what did ??
            If you consider that “on January 3, 2020, Soleimani and other pro-Iranian ones, including Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, a terrorist appointed by the US government, drove in two cars and left the airport towards the center of Baghdad. At around 1:00 local time, the MQ drone 9 Reaper fired several rockets, hitting a convoy on the Baghdad road at the airport, killing two cars and killing 10 people. "" (From Wikipedia. 3 January 2020, Soleimani's Airbus A320 Cham Wings plane arrived at Baghdad International Airport at 12:32 am from Damascus International Airport, after being delayed for two hours for unknown reasons, as an MQ-9 Reaper drone of the US Air Force and other military aircraft loitered in the area. Soleimani and other pro-Iranian paramilitary figures, including Abu Mahdi al- Muhandis, a USgovernment-designated terrorist, entered two vehicles and departed the airport towards downtown Baghdad. Around 1:00 am local time, the MQ-9 Reaper drone launched several missiles, striking t he convoy on Baghdad Airport Road, engulfing the two cars in flames and killing 10 people)
            What is the correlation of events at the airports of Baghdad and Tehran ???
            And the US President too quickly gave his version of the reasons ??
        2. Lopatov 10 January 2020 10: 32 New
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          Do you really think that the appointment of the guilty even before the start of the investigation is normal, and the appointed guilty must begin to pay and repent?

          That is, the choice is essentially small: or you, by your own definition, are a troll. Or you, I'm sorry, are not quite a smart person. Choose for yourself.
          1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 January 2020 10: 43 New
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            Quote: Spade
            Do you really think that the appointment of the guilty even before the start of the investigation is normal, and the appointed guilty must begin to pay and repent?
            I believe that in addition to information wars, post-truth and other joys of the postmodern era, there is such a thing as objective reality. This reality is one, it exists in material reality and does not depend on the observer. I know that this is an unpopular point of view in a world where the opinion is considered to be the truth, which most expediently corresponds to one's interests, but what can I do, I'm old-fashioned.

            So, from my point of view to the question “who shot down the Ukrainian Boeing” there is exactly one objective answer, and it does not depend on who appointed whom guilty, did not appoint guilty, who will have to repent, who spoke on time, who spoke out of time, to what other consequences will this lead to - these are all varieties of a logical error https://ru.rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_to_sequences I am interested in objective reality, and only it.
            1. Lopatov 10 January 2020 10: 46 New
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              Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
              I believe that in addition to information wars, post-truth and other joys of the postmodern era, there is such a thing as objective reality.

              And what does your call for Iranians to start paying and repenting have to do with objective reality?
              1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 January 2020 10: 50 New
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                Quote: Spade
                And what does your call for Iranians to start paying and repenting have to do with objective reality?
                Is this a rhetorical question? Well, I’ll try to answer it as if it’s not rhetorical. I believe that the Ukrainian Boeing shot down Iranian air defense by mistake. Of all the versions, this is the most likely in terms of the totality of information available, so I consider it as basic and working.
                1. Lopatov 10 January 2020 10: 51 New
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                  Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                  I believe that the Ukrainian Boeing shot down Iranian air defense by mistake.

                  What does your “I suppose” have to do with objective reality?
                  1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 January 2020 10: 53 New
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                    This is my subjective assessment of what happened in objective reality on the basis of the available information and logical conclusions.
                    1. Okolotochny 10 January 2020 12: 49 New
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                      Subjective assessment based on the flow of information from biased media.
                      1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 January 2020 13: 40 New
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                        I said what my assessment is based on. It is based on the fact that civilian planes take off tens of thousands every day 365 days a year, fall for technical reasons about 1-2 per year, and the probability of a pure coincidence that the “technical reasons” happened in the country that launched the military operation, namely on the day she started the military operation — zero point zero percent.
                      2. qQQQ 10 January 2020 15: 02 New
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                        Quote: Okolotochny
                        Subjective assessment based on the flow of information from biased media.

                        But where does the media? You can simply turn on the brain and logic. Name at least one case of the ignition of one engine and at the same time the crew could not send a distress signal, contact the dispatcher, etc. and all this with the threat of the beginning of the database and in the area of ​​saturated air defense. A sudden loss of communication and an almost instantaneous crash of an aircraft with multiple redundancy of all the most important systems occurs only because of the rapid destruction and (or) incapacitation of the crew. Again, cases when they aimed at one thing, but fell into the civilian side as much as desired, only recently on our plane in Syria. All this allows, in my opinion, with a high degree of probability to say that the plane was shot down by an air defense missile.
                    2. qQQQ 10 January 2020 15: 04 New
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                      Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                      This is my subjective assessment of what happened in objective reality on the basis of the available information and logical conclusions.

                      Only opinions of a patriotic orientation pass here, information and logic are not required for this.
            2. Looking for 10 January 2020 16: 23 New
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              shut your mouth.
        3. Nastia makarova 10 January 2020 10: 58 New
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          until the investigation has passed the rest is fakes and the reality of the troll
          1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 January 2020 11: 08 New
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            This approach does not work, because the investigation, too, at will, at any time without any problems declared fake.
            1. Nastia makarova 10 January 2020 11: 12 New
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              this site is not for you, it’s better to leave yourself than to be banned in the evening
              1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 January 2020 11: 18 New
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                You are not a very interesting conversationalist. I, with your permission, will not answer you anymore.
                1. Nastia makarova 10 January 2020 11: 30 New
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                  very good, get ready for the ban))))
    2. venik 10 January 2020 10: 08 New
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      Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
      (and this is in this case Ukraine, which in relation to Iran is not so bloodthirsty

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      And since when did Ukraine have a "voting right" ?? They have only the right to "push up" overseas owners! And it will be bad to "yap" so the owner can leave without a bone ......
      1. Snail N9 10 January 2020 11: 49 New
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        Is the catastrophe that occurred on Sunday July 3, 1988 forgotten? Then the Iran Air Airbus A300B2-203 airliner made a commercial passenger flight IR655 on the route Tehran — Bandar Abbas — Dubai, but 7 minutes after departure from Bandar Abbas, flying over the Persian Gulf, it was hit by a ground-to-air missile from the US Navy Vincennes missile cruiser. All 290 people on board the aircraft died - 16 crew members and 274 passengers (including 65 children). The Americans recognized this as a mistake - supposedly the cruiser confused the airliner with the attacking F-14A.
        On July 11, 1988, U.S. President Ronald Reagan announced that the U.S. would offer the families of the victims (but not the Iranian government) compensation on a voluntary basis without acknowledging legal liability. At the same time, Reagan called the actions of the Vincennes crew a defensible defense, emphasizing that the United States did not consider itself guilty of what had happened, and partially blamed the Iranian government. In 1989, it was announced that the proposed compensation would amount to $ 250 to the families of those who worked for the deceased and $ 000 to the families of dependents.

        On May 17, 1989, Iran filed a lawsuit against the United States with the United Nations International Court of Justice with claims for damages and the United States was found guilty of violating international air transport conventions. In February 1996, a settlement agreement was signed between the United States and Iran, after which the case in court was dismissed. Under the terms of the agreement, the United States was to pay compensation in the amount of $ 131,8 million (including $ 61,8 million to the heirs of 248 dead, at the rate of $ 300 for each able-bodied victim and 000 for each dependent), and Iran refused further claims to USA in connection with this disaster.
        I think that if the death of a Ukrainian airliner from an accidental hit by an Iranian missile is confirmed, then Iran will be promoted to multimillion-dollar compensation to the relatives of the deceased — compensation for Canadians and other "from developed countries" will definitely not be estimated at the price of "some Iranians there."
    3. Moskovit 10 January 2020 14: 10 New
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      If you notice, then the Ukrainians are actually 11 people among the dead. The Iranians perished most of all.
      1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 January 2020 14: 16 New
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        I noticed, but still have to negotiate with Ukraine. In the Tu-154 crash over the Black Sea, 51 Israeli citizens out of 66 passengers died, but then Ukraine agreed to withdraw claims with Russia.
        1. Moskovit 10 January 2020 14: 28 New
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          Ukraine then generally acted in swine. I paid compensation to the victims, and I think that there were Israelis on board, but I didn’t plead guilty and Siberia sent the company to the forest ..
          1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 January 2020 14: 52 New
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            Ukraine would not have been able to do so if Russia had not agreed to this. Similarly, in the story of the Iranian Airbus, which was shot down by the USA, the USA paid compensation without legal admission of guilt for refusing to prosecute, because Iran agreed to this. Consent - a product with full non-opposition of the parties (c).
            1. Moskovit 10 January 2020 15: 06 New
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              No no.

              The deputy head of the Federal Air Transport Agency Oleg Storchevoy recalled that Ukraine has still not pleaded guilty to the disaster of the Russian Tu-154 over the Black Sea in 2001.

              The Ukrainian authorities have still not pleaded guilty to the disaster of the Russian Tu-154 over the Black Sea in 2001 and have not paid compensation to Siberia Airlines, Oleg Storcheva, deputy head of the Federal Air Transport Agency, recalled on Wednesday.

              “I can’t help but recall another tragedy that occurred in the Russian Federation on the Black Sea in 2001, when during a military training ... I was hit by a Ukrainian missile ... Tu-154 of Siberia Airlines. And, despite the investigation, the facts presented ... Ukraine before still has not admitted its responsibility for this disaster, "Storcheva said at a press conference in the Russia Today MIA.

              According to him, the compensation of Siberia Airlines has not yet been paid.

              "Although ... through the efforts of international organizations, intergovernmental commissions, the Ukrainian state paid money to the families of the victims from the Russian and Israeli sides ... But, nevertheless, Siberia Airlines’s compensation for the damaged aircraft has not yet been paid," the official said.

              The Tu-154 plane of Siberia Airlines, which operated the Tel Aviv-Novosibirsk flight, crashed in October 2001 - all 66 passengers and 12 crew members were killed. The Commission of the Interstate Aviation Committee found that the rocket launched by the Ukrainian military, which conducted the exercises in the Crimea on that day, hit the airliner over the Black Sea: the Ukrainian military confused a passenger plane for training purposes. Ukraine some time after the tragedy, without waiting for the results of the investigation, paid families of victims moral compensation in the amount of 200 thousand dollars for each victim.

              However, the Commercial Court of Kiev in 2011 refused to satisfy the claim of the Russian airline to recover material damage from Ukraine for the crash of the liner. Employees of the Kiev Research Institute of Forensic Examinations during the re-examination found that the Ukrainian rocket could not bring down a passenger plane.

              The perpetrators of the death of the aircraft have not yet been established.
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                I do not know what the terms of the pre-trial agreement were. What I know: when the words about the non-fulfillment of contractual obligations do not follow any steps in the legal plane - this is an air shock.
                1. Moskovit 10 January 2020 15: 26 New
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                  Relatives of the deceased received compensation for their rejection of claims. Airline for the plane no. Since Ukraine did not bring him down. Three Ukrainian courts did not plead guilty to Ukraine.
                  Reagan at one time admitted that the Americans shot down. Ukrainians are not. So now the wheel of the gunboat spun in their direction.
                  1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 January 2020 15: 32 New
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                    Relatives and the airline are not subjects of international relations. In international relations, the subjects are states. Sibir did not receive compensation because the state of the Russian Federation withdrew its claims against the state of Ukraine.
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                      Is this your opinion or do you have at least some source confirming this step of Russia?
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                        I see with my eyes the absence of claims for the Tu-154 from the state of the Russian Federation to the state of Ukraine. In the legal plane, and not in the PR plane. Honestly, I did not go further than this.
  4. Skarpzd 10 January 2020 09: 50 New
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    Yes, you can no longer make excuses. useless. if Canadian intelligence already knows everything, then the verdict is final and not subject to appeal.
    1. bessmertniy 10 January 2020 10: 32 New
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      Maybe this Canadian intelligence and Iranian missile launch button pressed !? repeat She knows a lot.
  5. Qwertyarion 10 January 2020 09: 52 New
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    Interestingly, but the manufacturer of aircraft engines for Boeing has the technical ability to monitor the technical condition of onlain engines?
    Or a Boeing company?
    1. Cook 10 January 2020 11: 30 New
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      Theoretically, there is such an opportunity. There is a program such as ECM: Engine Condition Monitoring. It is performed by the appropriate division of the engine manufacturer, using its own software. Monitor, with trending, the rest of the margin to the limit values, the main parameters of the engine, with reference to the specific flight conditions. When reducing such a margin to certain values, the manufacturer issues recommendations to the operator on the implementation of corrective measures. CFM has a similar program, however, as far as I can tell, for 737 there is no possibility of online monitoring. All information necessary for the ECM is transmitted to ECM specialists after the flight. This happens either after removal and decryption of the means of objective control of flight information, or is automatically sent through a specific mobile operator, after the aircraft is parked. The possibility of online monitoring of engine operation parameters, as is the case with later aircraft (777, 787). The AMM system is installed there: Aircraft Helth Monitoring, which can transmit information online.
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        . or automatically sent through a specific mobile operator, after the aircraft is parked.

        hi theoretically, in the parking lot of the aircraft can you remotely receive information about the state of the engine? Not approaching the plane.
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          Yes. The fact is that if you constantly remove the recorder’s drive from the aircraft for decryption, or directly read information from it using special devices, the corresponding plug connectors will very quickly fail, which entails the replacement of a rather expensive component. Since the need to take information arises quite often, at first they came up with various duplicate recorders with quick access to information, such as MiniQAR - MicroQAR, or various data concentrators. In these cases, information is recorded on a CF memory card. But all the same, it requires the presence of certain personnel and equipment, so we went ahead and came up with Wireless DFDR.
          That is, a digital flight data recorder, with the ability to transmit information wirelessly. The recorder has a corresponding module with a SIM card of a mobile operator with which a contract has been concluded. After landing the aircraft, installing it under the gate, and connecting the airfield power source, the recorded flight data is automatically transmitted to the addresses indicated in the contract. This is, as a rule: the flight data decryption department of the airline, and the ECM division of the engine manufacturer. And yet, yes, after a while, you can remotely receive the latest information on the state of the motor, according to controlled parameters, taking into account the real flight conditions.
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            hi Thank you, you have described in detail the algorithm of the engine monitoring system.
  6. knn54 10 January 2020 09: 58 New
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    Many people know whose "company horse" to shoot down (including bookmarks) planes, while blaming anyone. And innocent people become victims of dirty politics.
  7. ochakow703 10 January 2020 09: 59 New
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    Yeah ... It seems to me that the plane still steered into the strip, and Canadian intelligence already knew that it would be shot down by a ground-to-air missile ...
    It is customary for Western bandits to appoint perpetrators even before the event. Since they plan and implement them.
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      It seems to me that the plane was still stepping into the lane, and Canadian intelligence already knew that it would be shot down by a ground-to-air missile ...

      =======
      good Moreover, RUSSIAN production !!!
      The question immediately arises: WHERE FROM suddenly such awareness, especially at such "authoritative" and "powerful" special services as Canadian intelligence service?? By the way, I didn’t even suspect that Canada had one at all! (In how "secret"!)
  8. askort154 10 January 2020 10: 02 New
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    Representatives of Ukraine are already working at the crash site.

    So they will “find” the wreckage of the rocket with the inscriptions - “Maid in Rashin”, and then they will show in the internet a video sailing along the Caspian Sea from the Iranian border towards Kursk, a ship with a “Buk” on board. yes
  9. Dur_mod 10 January 2020 10: 05 New
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    We got information that one stewardess called my mother with the words - Mom goodbye shelling us ...
  10. g1washntwn 10 January 2020 10: 07 New
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    Ali Rabei said for sure. But the West will never admit its provocations and mistakes.
    Infovoyna is such a thing, they are ready to dance on the bones of the dead just to collect their profit. At its core, fakes are a weapon of mass destruction affecting the mind, a new kind of “agent orange” for the info field. Therefore, it is not surprising that this far from new type of WMD is used by the West without regard to everything sacred and human ... they have the practice of using other types of WMD.
  11. Avior 10 January 2020 10: 10 New
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    . Earlier, a plane’s defeat by a rocket, as a priority version of the disaster, was announced in Kiev.

    Another fanning of passions from the anonymous author of the article.
    They didn’t say such a thing in Ukraine, on the contrary, they said that they were considering all the versions, but the main ones were 4, including with a rocket as one of them. It was not called priority
    While only Trudeau unambiguously accused Iran of a missile attack, Trump and Johnson said streamlined, Zelensky said nothing at all.
    Nowhere, in any publication did I see that someone was blaming Russia for something.
    hi
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      If someone kills someone from Kalash, even in another part of the world, the Russians can be blamed for this. Insanity grows stronger.
  12. Aliken 10 January 2020 10: 14 New
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    Some pinkertones and hills around.
  13. thinker 10 January 2020 10: 16 New
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    Amid statements by Prime Ministers of Canada and Britain, surprisingly Pompeo statement
    US Secretary of State Michael Pompeo said that the American authorities do not yet know the reason for the crash of the Ukrainian plane in Iran, they admit that the tragedy could have occurred due to a technical malfunction.
    1. Avior 10 January 2020 10: 30 New
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      So far, only Canada has clearly accused Iran, the rest speak of a possible version
  14. Terenin 10 January 2020 10: 19 New
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    Iran has denied allegations by some foreign officials that a Ukrainian passenger Boeing-737 could have been shot down by an Iranian missile.

    This is the second stage of the information war of the West with objectionable countries. Mass sacrifice, with the creation of conflicts, their "win-win card", which distracts from a bloody adventure (Maidan, Odessa ...) and the information crowd drives the "accused" into a corner.
    There was no need to be silent when Russia was accused of a similar case with an airplane.
  15. Avior 10 January 2020 10: 20 New
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    It is not clear why distort Danilov’s statement? Is this to be a reason to indignant with Ukraine, or what?
    His position is completely different
    Currently, 7 versions of the reasons for the crash of the Boeing-737 aircraft of UIA in Tehran, Iran, four of which have been made public, and another three have not been disclosed, are currently being considered, says Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Oleksiy Danilov.

    “Today, the main version does not exist. Today we have four open and three closed (IF versions). I can say that“ East is a delicate matter, ”our group has been working there since the morning, but we need to be very careful about this We are now working with the Iranian side to ensure that we get maximum access. Some people are already working at the scene, "Danilov said on Thursday afternoon on Ukraine 24 TV channel.

    At the same time, in the commentary of Radio Liberty, the NSDC secretary noted that the experts did not have any basic version, as well as the prevalence of one over the others.

    "... there is no race, the National Security and Defense Council is not a PR agency, we work with evidence, we work with information. When this or that version has more or less confirmation, we will inform you about it. Today there is no final version," - pointed Danilov.

    https://interfax.com.ua/news/general/634609.html
    1. Semurg 10 January 2020 10: 43 New
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      In vain you try here 90% of users are ready to fight on sofas to the last. laughing I don’t hear anything, I don’t see anything, I don’t perceive anything, and all the info that does not fit into their picture of the world is fake and desa. The dead passengers felt sorry for the plane to fall for a dozen seconds and people understood that a meeting with the earth was their death, the imandars of Salamat Bolsyn.
      1. Avior 10 January 2020 10: 56 New
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        It is a pity people agree with you.
        Horrible death.
        And about 90 percent, I like VO as a resource, and really do not like that sometimes you have to double-check the direct statements in the articles for their compliance with real facts.
        I would like this to be as small as possible, interpretations of facts may be controversial, and I would like to trust the stated facts without rechecking.
        Well, the fact that people do not like facts that do not fit their views is what is, that is, moreover, regardless of views. It is in our human nature, it seems smile
        hi
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          Re-checking the facts is a useful skill, there is no big trouble in training it regularly. wassat
        2. Moon 10 January 2020 12: 52 New
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          Quote: Avior
          It is in our human nature, it seems

          It's just that emotions are easier to turn on (they don’t even need to, they are)
          A modern presentation of information (not for specialists) is always a presentation of emotional content. HE is easier to perceive by the masses. And very stable.
          There are few people who are not subject to herd emotional influence and can go against the crowd themselves.
          So emotions rule the world. We are very emotional looking. This is our main difference from machines.
          Trite-like not to like. We have been evolving for thousands of years
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    The development of events more and more resembles the development of events around the fallen Boeing in the Donbass. Yesterday I listened to Echo of Moscow: on the wing, traces similar to traces of the impact of an anti-aircraft missile striking element; American plane - the United States is involved in the investigation; owner Ukraine - Ukraine is involved in the investigation; A US company is also involved in the investigation. Personally, it seems to me that the idea has remained the same - actions in relation to slightly different circumstances. Now they will have dances with tambourines around Iran.
    I feel sorry for people. And the dead and those who are still destined to become a participant in the subsequent possible provocations.
    1. Roman070280 10 January 2020 10: 40 New
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      actions in relation to slightly different circumstances. will now arrange dancing with tambourines around Iran


      But you can understand the meaning ??
      Well, well .. suppose they shot down in the Donbas to impose sanctions on Russia .. as they say-isolate it .. It brought a certain result ..
      And what about Iran ?? After shelling the bases, the Americans could at least start a war calmly ... and no one would object already ... and impose sanctions against Iran .. as they wrote above, it’s more difficult to come up with them than to provoke ..

      Well, suppose tomorrow another plane is shot down over South Korea .. and North Korea is blamed .. Well, Canada will say something there .. well, the rest .. And what will change ?? What is profit for whom ??
      1. ochakow703 10 January 2020 11: 01 New
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        Everything is very simple. Iran is very small for profit, all these "dances with tambourines", just around Russia. The fact that sanctions and other garbage is an empty phrase for the "world public", but the fact that so many people were killed by the Russian Iranians (for - Russia shot down) by a rocket !!! Why is there the assassination of a general ... he is a military man, he knew what he was going on. And now Russia will wash the bones.
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          Yes nuuu ..))) This is already far-fetched .. Russia in this case is generally violet, and blaming us for the fact that this rocket was produced somewhere .. even Trudeau will never think of it .. Half in the Middle East Soviet weapons, half the American .. It will not fail, and will not give anything to anyone ..
          1. ochakow703 10 January 2020 11: 36 New
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            And all the same, I am inclined to believe that all these boynas, gas pipelines, Assad and Ayatollahs, Ukraine, and a bunch of different little things are links of one chain. The exceptional ones are preparing “something”, and in order to remain white and fluffy themselves, they are trying to do universal evil from Russia, and only then ... And believe me - people are hitting!
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            Quote: Roman070280
            Yes nuuu ..))) This is already far-fetched ..

            Quote: Roman070280
            Trudeau didn’t even think of it.

            Trudeau voiced what and where it was made, the idea is somewhat delusional, but will not the whole "democratic world" announce tomorrow the imposition of sanctions on the one who decides to acquire Russian weapons?
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              will not the whole “democratic world” announce tomorrow the imposition of sanctions on the one who decides to acquire Russian weapons?


              The states have been saying this for a long time .. But what is the matter to the same Indians or Malaysians who want to buy something from us ??
              Or, after new statements, Erdogan suddenly abandons the S-400 ??)))
              Well, in fact .. shoot down the plane ourselves .. to blame others .. who have someone else’s weapon there ... so that the fourth didn’t buy this weapon .. it's all far from reality ..
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                States have long been saying this ..

                A little chicken pecking, that was nonsense 20-15 years ago now the norm is, the Indians or Malaysians wanted to buy a Su or S-400, here are the sanctions for acquiring "barbaric weapons" that destroy their own and non-participating citizens of other countries, just an eyeliner that will later be framed in "reality." "Business is not personal" laughing
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                  sanctions for the acquisition of "barbaric weapons"

                  Here, the matter will not even come to the obvious evidence that the plane was shot down by Iran at all .. let alone anyone would be interested in hearing about barbaric weapons ..
                  I’ll repeat it again .. the states as soon as they didn’t break their hands with the purchase of the S-400 .. you don’t even need to look for sanctions .. They just openly declare that Baba Yaga is against, and therefore it’s impossible, there will be sanctions .. And if tomorrow in the states, another gibberish will shoot 50 people from a school in Kalash - Erdogan will not decide to shut down the Turkish stream, because somewhere out there someone has a connection with a barbarian country ..
                  As for the business .. just for the Boeing (and for the producing country), negative aspects are clearly visible ..

                  I don’t know how it is necessary to see more minuses in this state of emergency for Russia than for the USA itself .. Rather, their Boeing will end sooner than someone will begin to blame us for what happened ..))

                  PS .. I’ll keep silent about the “advertising” of the missiles themselves (if there were any), and the anti-advertising of the Amer’s air defense (which only the lazy did not laugh about anymore)
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                    Quote: Roman070280
                    about barbaric weapons and even more so no one will be interested to hear ..

                    Even the wreckage of the MN-17 and Boeing MAU did not have time to cool down and the verdict, “Buk”, “Tor”, was more interesting with the second one, such a menagerie was there, but it was his fault.
                    Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                    Meaningless assumption. Do you know why? Because the developer of Torah - Almaz-Antey - is already under sanctions.

                    A ban on purchases by other countries introduced?
            2. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 January 2020 14: 21 New
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              Quote: edmed
              but will not the whole "democratic world" announce tomorrow the imposition of sanctions on the one who decides to acquire Russian weapons?

              Meaningless assumption. Do you know why? Because the developer of Torah - Almaz-Antey - is already under sanctions.
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          Can also be one of the sides of this coin.
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          You were right: in Ukraine they called to punish Russia for the Boeing brought down by Iran https://news.mail.ru/politics/40155651/?frommail=1
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        The thing is that in international politics, the conflict of two states is the business of these same states. Of course, the world community will put up, not without it, but only that. But a downed civilian plane is already a crime against humanity and here, in accordance with the UN Charter, everyone should condemn unanimously. Then the United States will pull the NATO troops and the "partners" into the conflict, and they themselves will have the opportunity to lead the process and especially not get into trouble.
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          and here, in accordance with the UN Charter, everyone should condemn unanimously.

          They will not condemn .. American mongrels will support, but there will be a lot of dissenting ones .. Russia, for sure, will not take their side ..
          Then the US will pull NATO troops into conflict
          International coalition ?? As part of 67 (or how many are there) countries ??) Like the one that fought in Syria ??

          Well, something to Russia after the Donbass Boeing no one got into a conflict .. with Iran, I think, they won’t fight either, because if they could, then without this plane there were more reasons for the bombing .. Shelling of American bases .. America’s answer .. and away we go .. Would ..
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          What does the UN have to do with it? If the Iranians admit that they were mistaken, they will pay compensation on that and everything will die out.
    2. Aleksandr21 10 January 2020 10: 56 New
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      The development of events more and more resembles the development of events around the fallen Boeing in the Donbass.


      There are similar points. But the situations are still different ... let's see what the experts will say for the reasons for the fall of the Boeing. In my opinion, the situation is strange, since the disaster with the Boeing coincided with an attack by Iran on American bases, and if Iran is really not involved in this, and the charges are no longer unfounded, the Canadian Prime Minister has directly stated that they have evidence that the Boeing was shot down, then he can prove his innocence. While the situation, frankly speaking, is not good, both black boxes are damaged, as far as it is not known and whether experts will be able to recover the issue ... moreover, Iran said that they will not transfer the boxes to third countries, but will investigate the matter themselves. On the one hand, this is correct, but given the accusations, their position can be considered (at the moment) as an attempt to hide evidence from the point of view of the western man in the street. Let's see how this story ends, while some speculations and assumptions.
  17. Roman070280 10 January 2020 10: 30 New
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    On the one hand - too surprising a coincidence .. and shelling of bases, and the crash of an airplane ..
    On the other hand .. it’s kind of like for Amers to arrange it at all .. To impose sanctions or start a war with them, and so there are enough “reasons” without any planes .. moreover, in this case they’re not “reproaching” much , calling everything a "tragic accident."
    In general, the trouble with these Boeings .. then Malaysia, then Donetsk, now here .. some puzzles ..))
  18. Kostadinov 10 January 2020 10: 41 New
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    It is necessary to save the Boeing. They got a lot of disasters for technical reasons. You don’t need to shoot at Boeing, they themselves fall.
    1. Dur_mod 10 January 2020 10: 48 New
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      As the Malaysian Boeing was shot down in time to aggravate the situation with Russia, now it’s the other way around to distract from Iran, it seems like Suleimani banged, which is good for Trump’s rating, and Iran “answered” the truth to nowhere, but also saved face. .. And they got through Ukraine to solve their geopolitical goals, damn it!
  19. Air force 10 January 2020 10: 47 New
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    Yesterday, Canadian intelligence was one of the first to say that the plane crashed due to technical problems, I was surprised how, Western intelligence agencies do not blame Iran, but talk about technical problems. At the beginning, I thought that this was an indirect confirmation that they themselves were involved in the fall, but for some reason they could not blame Iran, so I suspect myself of it in advance. Since the Western special services have compromised themselves for a long time and they have no faith, it was surprising that they do not beat fakes about Iran’s involvement. And today, fakes have already rushed that it brought down Iran. So what has changed then? As for me it could be easier. The Boeing 2016 is almost new, if the reasons are in technical malfunctions, then this is another blow to the Boeing corporation, taking into account that its reputation fell due to the crash of “MAX 737”, the courts go, payments to victims, stocks with sales fell, from the production of MAX737 take off in general Airbus rubs his hands in anticipation of a competitor's fall. And then another blow under the “breath”. Therefore, they launched a fake car, it’s just that the Boeing lobbyists probably told their partners, including the Pentagon, that you collapsed from the oak tree, block your ass at the expense of our money, the shares may collapse and the old song “high likes” started to blame Iran is to blame. Well, if in fact the Americans didn’t crash the plane, then the scenario is the same, protecting the reputation of the Boeing, now the howl will raise that Iran has failed, no one will remember the Canadians initially talking about technical problems, as a result, Iran as an excuse , against him for the plane also impose sanctions. But the truth, as always, no one needs. PS After the sanctions are introduced, all the evidence presented by Iran about their non-involvement will be referred to by “world experts” in the conspiracy theology section and they will say: what do you think the whole progressive west imposed sanctions from scratch or what? Well, you give a pancake, but there is a whole array of evidence of Iran’s guilt (and this array is, as always, the Internet and social networks)
    1. prodd 10 January 2020 10: 56 New
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      Yesterday, Canadian intelligence agencies did not make any statements, only there were reports from agencies.
      1. Air force 10 January 2020 12: 54 New
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        Yesterday, an article on VO at 07:38 was that Western intelligence agencies had already provided a preliminary report on what had happened, it was about intelligence data from several states, the USA, Canada and European countries. This was reported by the Reuters news service. And yes, there was no briefing, but Reuters received permission to publish data. And now new introductory and world media have come to publish information about Iran’s fault.
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    Yesterday, Canadian intelligence was one of the first to say that the plane crashed due to technical problems, I was surprised how, Western intelligence agencies do not blame Iran, but talk about technical problems.

    The version that the plane was shot down from the ground is very risky for the West. There is no use for Iran, so the local pro-Western opposition could have brought down or by mistake during an American air attack. In all cases, it will be the fault of the United States.
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    The first / second round begins. The first for Iran and the second for Russia, if they push on the Buk version of the air defense system.
    In the USA, now, in theory, the interests of Boeing Corporation coincide with those of the political elite. The Boeing has already suffered financially from problems with the 737 MAX 8. For them, just an accident - this is another nail in the coffin lid. So they can easily finance a commission to get the “right” results.
    And the political elites of the United States are probably interested in the beech version. Then then it will be possible to conduct an additional investigation and state that the traces of the defeat are identical to the Boeing-777 shot down over Ukraine.
    As I understand it, the neutral option, which will suit almost everyone, is explosives on an airplane. Then the Boeing will calm down, Khamenei from the rostrum will proclaim its agreement with the US authorities on the fight against terrorism, thus hinting that negotiations are ready, and Russia will not be touched by the old scandal.
    1. Avior 10 January 2020 11: 40 New
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      in Iran, the Boeing 737ng fell, and not 737 max, these are different models.
      and Russia is not blamed for the fall of Boeing, claims to Iran, official so far only with Canada, others see only as a version.
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    Iran’s comments that “It’s scientifically impossible to shoot down a Ukrainian plane” are not very convincing. There is no evidence to the contrary either. Not yet. But if the plane was shot down by the Iranians, then it will be very difficult to hide, if not impossible. And those who will try to do this, ironically, will repeat the experience of the same Ukraine in a similar situation with a downed Russian airliner with Jews on board. This is not the case when you can say black on white. Already found the "black boxes". Which the Iranians for some reason refused to provide Boeing experts. At the scene, except for the interested party, Iran, there are no representatives of other countries. Which is also information for consideration. The plane was new and the last inspection took place recently. The crew did not report any malfunctions to the ground. This fact is also characteristic of a sudden emergency. From the wreckage of the aircraft, you can establish signs characteristic of a missile strike. The means of space communications of third countries could observe (which most likely was) the defeat of the aircraft by a rocket. Iran’s reaction is painfully nervous. And abstract. Iran does not claim that there were no missile launches, but states that it was not him. That is, maybe they shot down, but not us. At the same time, representatives of Canada, the states, and England quite specifically talk about the missile hit version. And to be silent out of respect for the memory of the dead, on the contrary, do not respect their memory. Any crime of this kind has a chance of being solved in hot pursuit. And if you are silent, then Iran, as a probable criminal, will destroy the traces. Which seems to be done.
    1. Roman070280 10 January 2020 11: 19 New
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      There is no evidence to the contrary either. Not yet. But if the plane was shot down by the Iranians, then this hide will be very difficultif not impossible.


      In the Donbass they shot down .. and for sure, someone has evidence ..
      But so far, everything is hidden !! Throwing accusations at each other is one thing .. But the real situation has not been clarified to people, despite dozens of versions ..
      I think it will be exactly the same here !!
      They will blame each other, create a commission .. and for several years ..
      1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 January 2020 11: 27 New
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        But so far, everything is hidden !!
        Nothing is hidden. Everything lies literally on the table. It's just that everything is declared fake, declaring anything fake is very easy, and no one even wonders if there is any reason to say that one or the other is fake.
        1. Roman070280 10 January 2020 11: 30 New
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          Well, maybe what’s lying on your table .. But I haven’t seen anything besides mutual accusations ..
          (by the way, as with the tragedy with the Kursk nuclear submarine)
      2. Bukhalov 10 January 2020 11: 40 New
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        The tragedy in the Donbass and the tragedy in the airspace of Iran are not comparable. No one denied and does not deny that the Malaysian airliner was hit by a rocket. Disagreement over who did it. In this case, Iran denies the fact of a missile getting on board. Pay attention to this fact. When Iranians discovered "black boxes", Iran refused to provide them to Boeing experts. On the second day after the crash, Iran said that it was ready to provide the decryption to any competent country. True, the memory blocks of the boxes were completely damaged. There is no data on whether representatives of third parties are participating countries in the inspection of the scene. A lot could be clarified by the detection of fragments of a possible rocket. With procedural documentation and fixation of the places of detection. But to talk about the objectivity of the inspection of the scene by Iran, to be a very naive person.
        1. Moskovit 10 January 2020 14: 17 New
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          Holland got Boeing debris and black boxes, so what? The Iranians, having returned the black boxes, will receive exactly the same charges, because they are appointed guilty. And so there is a chance to achieve the truth.
    2. evgen1221 10 January 2020 12: 54 New
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      And if you are silent, then Iran (Ukraine) will destroy the tracks. It looks like it’s being done. -Seeing that in an analogous situation an independent investigation is operating west on the Malaysian board (hello to the Dutch), then the Iranians are doing the right thing, not giving away boxes and debris for good, but all actions Western (investigators) are written under the protocol, up to the time who went to lunch for what time and what time to the toilet (after the Dutch investigation there is no faith for their experts).
  23. Bukhalov 10 January 2020 11: 20 New
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    In reality, there only Jews and Americans shot down civilian sides.

    And also the USSR and Ukraine.
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  25. evgen1221 10 January 2020 12: 43 New
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    So it is so, the technology of manipulating the opinion of the masses in action and with clarification for dummies. 1. an event occurs (you didn’t create it, do not care) .2 in two three large media we print anonymous articles or with a note, the editors do not share. But the main thing in the right direction should be the article with the right color. 3 in a couple of days, the official representative
    country charges you on the basis of precisely this article in the media and in the same words. 4..After a day, vassals join the chorus, but already on the basis of accusations of the official of the master, (and this is already a serious level), 5, The goal is achieved, depending on your desires, the event is interpreted as you like, but with a mark (as everyone knows, and an official statement, although these words are false and complete, but they have more faith than marked Obs, from unnamed persons, etc.)
  26. Metlik 10 January 2020 13: 24 New
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    Since the death of Lusitania, the West has been using the disaster with the deaths of many people as an occasion to war. This dirty trick has become so familiar that it leaves no doubt who the real culprit is.
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  27. cniza 10 January 2020 13: 25 New
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    It is unfortunate that this psychological operation of the US government and those who support it knowingly and unconsciously, adds insults to the feelings of the families of the deceased, and, by spreading this lie, pursues certain goals


    The United States, even on a mountain of people, is trying to play around.
  28. Rzzz 10 January 2020 13: 51 New
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    Personally, I see the version of the collision with a drone that is most similar to the truth. Let’s say, some kind of reconnaissance apparatus was flying there, sniffing out the work of air defense in the capital’s area.
    In a collision, he got into the cockpit, killing or disabling pilots. (Therefore, the connection was lost and the distress signal was not sent), the antennas were cut down (the transponder signal was lost). The wreckage flew to the side, damaging the engine, wing box (fuel leak and fire), maybe part of the flaps, leading to asymmetry of lifting force, and the fact that the plane described the arc before the crash. The autopilot continued to work, trying to hold the plane.
    I don’t believe in a rocket. In a densely populated area, launch a rocket at night - there would be hundreds of witnesses. Yes, and the damage would be very noticeable.
  29. classik46 10 January 2020 15: 13 New
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    How much longer is Boeing left? If the Americans shot him down, it looks like a shot in the foot. It seems like the trend is such that if there is a plane crash, then a Boeing plane is necessary, such an image does not make money, given that there are so many contracts tore up for new models and the pressure of Europeans (lawsuits and all cases). The company simply should not have any money left.
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    Somewhere I already heard it all ... yes
  31. Iskander. Richard 11 January 2020 13: 07 New
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    Russian-Soviet rockets are champions in shooting down civilian aircraft, be proud of false patriots!
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    Well, if it were not for the west, Iran would not have known that it turned out he shot down a Ukrainian Boeing! If now Ukraine will take readings from the boxes and say that the plane crashed by itself, it will shut up its mouth right away, the proceedings will be classified, and sanctions will be imposed on Iran!
  33. Alexander X 11 January 2020 16: 10 New
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    On Yandex in the news: Iran's IRGC took the blame for the downed Boeing "
    https://rg.ru/2020/01/11/ksir-irana-vzial-na-sebia-otvetstvennost-za-sbityj-po-oshibke-boeing-737.html?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews