What Achilles' heel did the Iranian RTR funds reveal before hitting US forces? Bypassing the Patriots

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Information about the infliction of an effective massive missile strike by the IRGC units on the Iraqi Ain al-Assad airbase operated by the US Air Force, the Rakshen garrison (near Erbil), as well as the fortified area near the town of Barbarasha provoked a real flurry of enthusiastic comments from tens of thousands of observers on numerous news and military analytical platforms of the Russian segment of the Internet.

And this is not surprising, because for the first time in modern stories it was the Islamic Republic of Iran that became the front-Asian power, whose military and political leadership, in response to the vile and ridiculous episodes of liquidating the famous Lieutenant General and Commander Kassem Suleimani, dared to project strength on the strategically important infrastructure of the U.S. Armed Forces in the Middle East. Thus, the false stereotype of Western experts and the media about the inviolability of the presence and impunity of the actions of the American military contingent in the eastern part of the Near Asian region was finally refuted.



What is the reason for the selectivity of the command of the IRGC during the selection of the American military infrastructure to be hit by retaliation?


No less substantial and important subject for discussion in expert circles, undoubtedly, one can consider the degree of selectivity of the command of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps when choosing the US military infrastructure to be retaliated with (the first stage of the operation “Martyr Suleimani”).

While both the fortified areas (near Rekshen and Barbarash) and the Ain Al-Assad airbase, located at a distance of 120 to 300 km from the alleged positions of Iran’s OTRK, were subjected to a powerful strike of 25-30 Qiam tactical ballistic missiles and "Zulfiqar" (range of 700 and 800 km, respectively), which are much more significant (from the operational-strategic point of view) of the air bases "El-Udeid", "Isa", "Al-Dafra" and "Prince Sultan", located on a similar the distance from the positions of the Iranian OTRK and used by the US Air Force as airfields under Lope for the tactical fighters F-15E "Strike Eagle", multipurpose fighters of the 5th generation F-22A, as well as strategic missile carriers B-1B "Lancer" and B-52H, remained intact.

Based on the above details, as well as on the statement of the General IRGC Abdullah Aragi about the "demonstration" nature of this strike, aimed only at incapacitating a certain amount of armored vehicles and army aviation The US Armed Forces, but by no means to achieve irreparable losses of the personnel of the US Armed Forces and Iraq, it is not difficult to conclude that the main objectives of the leadership of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the command of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps in this phase of Operation Suleimani’s Martyr were to strengthen Tehran in the geostrategic arena and the sobering effect on the Pentagon in general and the Central Command of the US Armed Forces (USCENTOM) in particular.

The last point was reached thanks to the strike on precisely the above facilities in the northern provinces of Iraq, which (unlike the Av-El Udeid, Prince Sultan, Isa, etc.) were not covered by any medium-range missile defense systems range "Patriot PAC-3MSE", nor destroyers URO class "Arleigh Burke Flight" 5th operational fleet The US Navy (their ammunition has long-range RIM-174 ERAM anti-aircraft missiles with a range of more than 240 km), nor the E-3C / G "Sentry" AWACS, which could issue target designation for Iranian missiles F-22A and F-35A fighters equipped with missiles air-to-air class AIM-120D AMRAAM. Moreover, it is well known that the "Patriot" SAM MIM-104F PAC-3MSE, equipped with gas-dynamic "belts" of 180 radially located transverse microprobe engines in front of the aerodynamic focus of the SAM and capable of maneuvering with overloads of 55-60 units, intercepted without special difficulties there would be 10-15 or more Iranian tactical ballistic missiles of the Qiam and Zulfiqar families, even if the latter implemented anti-aircraft maneuvers with 15-20-fold overloads on the terminal section of the trajectory.

The following question arises: how was the IRGC command finally able to ascertain the absence of a “missile defense umbrella” over the Ain Al-Assad air base and two other facilities operated by the US military?

Firstly, this is a statement by the Commander-in-Chief of the Iraqi Armed Forces, Abdel Kerim Half, made on the eve of the IRGC strike and restricting the deployment of any American weapons (including anti-aircraft missile defense and radar equipment) on Iraqi territory, as well as prohibiting the use of Iraqi airspace by U.S. Air Force. Secondly, this is the presence in the arsenal of the air defense and Iranian air forces of a huge range of modern means of passive radio intelligence and ground-based and airborne reconnaissance, which were able to scan the northern provinces of Iraq and the airspace above them for the lack of multi-functional AN / APG-65 radars Patriot PAC-3MSE, as well as AWACS and tactical aircraft (E-2D, E-3G, F-22 Raptor).

The most significant links in this list are the ground-based radio electronic intelligence station 1L222 Avtobaza, operating in the C / X / Ku-bands of centimeter waves (capable of detecting radiation from tactical fighter airborne radars with further identification of the type of aircraft), as well as a pair of reconstructed and aircraft AWACS “Adnan-1/2”, equipped with radar systems RLDN “Salahuddin-G” and TRS-2105 “Tiger-G” and radiation warning stations capable of playing the role of airborne systems RTR, detecting American AWACS at a distance of more than 500-700 km. The result of the integrated work of all of the above funds, we observed in a filigree accurate night strike on the American fortified areas in Iraq.
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  1. +12
    10 January 2020 05: 08
    nor by the Sentry AWACS E-3C / G, which could give target designation on Iranian missiles to F-22A and F-35A fighters equipped with AIM-120D AMRAAM air-to-air missiles Well, how would fighters help in intercepting ballistic missiles?
    1. 0
      10 January 2020 05: 27
      If you believe Sivkov, then the skads were knocked down by the states based on 1 scad per 4 patriots during the invasion of Iraq ... then based on the prototypes of the skads - Iranian missiles that did not reach 16 patriots --- I just want to say as in the advertisement: and who is the deer now
      1. +23
        10 January 2020 05: 52
        Somewhat "strange" article! The author wanted to stimulate the mattress-military-industrial complex ??? And did he want to show that with a massive ballistic missile strike - Patriot will not help ??? request
        Something I did not catch the thought ...
        1. -11
          10 January 2020 06: 16
          More this is our advertisement for land parts
          it makes no sense to talk about the S-300, (and the TOP only on cruise missiles, Boeing ??? - there is no central air defense control system ???)
          The Buk-M3 medium-range air defense system is capable of destroying ballistic missiles at a distance of up to 100 km. Short-range air defense systems "Tor" can hit anti-radar and cruise missiles at a distance of up to 30 km. However, these complexes are able to fight only with targets flying at low speeds. Moreover, the effectiveness of their application to a large extent depends on the professionalism of combat crews.
          1. +1
            11 January 2020 11: 05
            "Thor" - 30 km? Will it be too much?
            1. +1
              11 January 2020 11: 46
              with copy-paste - distance not range
              TTX
              Affected area:
              range: 1 to 16 km [36]
              in height: from 0,01 to 10 km
              Reaction time, sec .: 4,8
              Max. target speed 1000 m / s
              The number of simultaneously fired targets: 4
              Maximum missile overload: 30 g
              Zur flight speed: 1000 m / s
              Minimum ESR of the target: 0,05 m² [37]
              Guidance system: jam-proof radio command
              Number of target channels: 4 channel
              The number of missiles in a combat vehicle: 16 missiles 9M338K [38]
              Development Year: 2008
              Crew: 3 people.
              Cruising range 500 km [39]
              1. +1
                11 January 2020 12: 18
                This is an ungrateful task to study military affairs on wikis and handouts.
                1. 0
                  11 January 2020 16: 04
                  Give me other data. Or do you have "closed" sources?
                  For those and answer, no other data.
                  1. +1
                    12 January 2020 07: 39
                    Quote: Rostislav Bely
                    Minimum ESR of the target: 0,05 m² [37]

                    Rostislav Bely! It will be right:
                    The complex is designed to protect civilian and military point objects from a platoon to a regiment or to cover long-range air defense systems such as the S-300 and S-400. Aerial targets include all targets with a minimum reflective surface of 2-3 cm² and speeds of up to 1000 m / s and a maximum range of 20000 meters and a height of up to 15000 meters, including helicopters, unmanned aerial vehicles, cruise missiles and precision bombs.
                    https://army-news.ru/2010/12/kompleks-pancir/

                    Otherwise, he will not be able to work on UAVs! More precisely, there will be aerial targets with an image intensifier of 0,0002 m2 or 2 cm2 ...
                    The Pantsir-S1 air defense missile system will detect a UAV with an image intensifier = 2 cm2 at a distance of D = 3,6 km and then the UAV will be destroyed.
                    1. -1
                      12 January 2020 07: 54
                      Rostislav Bely! The detection range above is given in free space ...
                      1. +1
                        13 January 2020 07: 15
                        Quote: Mersi
                        Otherwise, he will not be able to work on UAVs! More precisely, there will be aerial targets with an image intensifier of 0,0002 m2 or 2 cm2 ...
                        The Pantsir-S1 air defense missile system will detect a UAV with an image intensifier = 2 cm2 at a distance of D = 3,6 km and then the UAV will be destroyed.

                        Data about "Pantsir-C1".
                        The data on Tor-2M is correctly presented by Rostislav from open sources.
                  2. 0
                    12 January 2020 11: 52
                    Let your woman say that you and I didn’t like to drink to the Brudershaft. These are the data of Tor M2 which Iran does not have. (See post below)
              2. 0
                11 January 2020 12: 54
                If this from TTX is much more modest in terms of channelity, and the size of the affected area and BC
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                1. +1
                  12 January 2020 07: 56
                  I’m also a friend - I took the data from Wikipedia especially without straining (the point is that the Iranians accidentally shot down - the winged one gets off at a flight distance of 30 km and it’s not possible to get it 2 minutes to solve, and if it covers an object - even less than C300 they have along the coast - Dushenov I drew cards in my gear). The thing is good and correctly sharpened, but the crew didn’t recognize it during take-off (most likely some warehouse with weapons was covered, God knows ...)
                  1. +2
                    12 January 2020 08: 28
                    Dear Rostislav Bely! Thanks for the video above. K. Sivkov is right - the probability of the R-17 Scud missile being hit by the Patriot complex at that time it was equal to P = 0,25, that is, for a guaranteed defeat (P = 1) of the R-17 "Scud" missile, an average of 4 Patriot anti-aircraft missiles were required.
            2. -2
              11 January 2020 13: 31
              Confused with detection.
        2. +18
          10 January 2020 06: 18
          Lesh, hi!
          Damantsev always has a very solid analysis of information from open sources. Albeit controversial. A brief conclusion from the article - the hands of the Americans were short to cover the causal place, so the relations between Iran and the United States moved to a new level laughing
          "This is just a transition to a new level", painting, Vasya Lozhkin (Alexey Vladimirovich Kudelin), Wonderful People's Artist
          1. +14
            10 January 2020 06: 50
            Quote: lexus
            Lesh, hi!
            Damantsev always has a very solid analysis of information from open sources. Albeit controversial. A brief conclusion from the article - the hands of the Americans were short to cover the causal place, so the relations between Iran and the United States moved to a new level laughing

            Hi Alexey, I don’t quite agree, but ... what can’t be taken away from Eugene is a skill (straight Skill laughing ) mix not miscible!
            And by the result, Yes - this is a click on Trump and the United States as a whole! And yes - the transition to a new level! Let them look for "popuas" and "papuans" too ... in another place wink
            1. +4
              10 January 2020 19: 13
              Quote: Hunter 2
              what can not be taken away from Eugene is the ability (straight Skill) to mix not miscible!

              This is a skill, Alex hi
              Evgeny has perfectly mastered the "mix but not shake" method. True, the moment with the placement of signs in the summary of the article is important here. Less than a year ago, Damantsev was known as a full-time "all-missing" author of VO. But something has changed - either the setting, or the author himself. laughing
              1. +7
                11 January 2020 23: 08
                Greetings Alexander hi ... here I am - I am surprised at such significant Metamorphoses !!! laughing The mysterious soul of Eugene belay may have fallen in love with someone, that's why Optimism appeared! The symptom - “why thoughts are so confused” (c) - is just characteristic!
                We will continue to observe! drinks
    2. 0
      11 January 2020 13: 05
      I concluded that Iran traded the life of his general for a couple of destroyed, empty hangars.
      1. +1
        11 January 2020 17: 23
        Quote: Clever man
        I concluded that Iran traded the life of his general for a couple of destroyed, empty hangars.

        “This is shallow, Khobotov,” because the main conclusion is that Iran went to open confrontation, realizing that the United States is OBLIGED to inflict at least a retaliatory missile strike, and as a maximum start a full-fledged war against Iran. But Trump drifted, and experts immediately realized that "his point is not iron," and this most of all assured that the era of US hegemonism smoothly turned into the demonstrative dances of American zaulus.
        1. -1
          11 January 2020 17: 42
          If Iran destroyed at least a dozen aircraft in the parking lot, and so they shot milk, it’s not considered confrontation
          1. +1
            11 January 2020 19: 10
            Quote: Clever man
            If Iran destroyed at least a dozen aircraft in the parking lot,

            I don’t think it’s all over for Trump, but the fact remains that the USA was blown away, and this is clear to anyone except you.
            1. -1
              11 January 2020 20: 02
              What were blown away? What did the USA lose? What are the losses of the material part? What are the losses of people? The specifics of the hall!
              1. +1
                11 January 2020 20: 09
                Quote: Clever man
                what are the losses of the material part?

                Oh, you, holy simplicity, do not know life, otherwise you would understand what the expression "Ponta is more valuable than money" means in essence.
                Quote: Clever man
                What are the losses of people? The specifics of the hall!

                While the losses are hidden, but I think you will wait until they are reported.
                1. 0
                  11 January 2020 20: 14
                  Duck, while the US losses are not known, they haven’t lost anything.
  2. +6
    10 January 2020 05: 29
    Although a strange option, but possible.
    Type here covered, but there we do not need at all.
    Neither local control of airspace nor protection ..... however, moderate in terms of the number of necessary, means of radio technical control and reconnaissance, can lead to this.
    1. +14
      10 January 2020 07: 34
      In any case, Iran has shown its neighbors that the US air defense systems are unreliable and cannot even cover the American army, let alone protect their Middle Eastern allies. what
      1. +6
        10 January 2020 07: 41
        Quote: bessmertniy
        they cannot even cover the American army, let alone protect their Middle Eastern allies.

        Caring for allies, this is not the care of minke whales! They have their own interests in the first place.
        It's just time for the allies to crawl out of the fantasy cloud and protect themselves.
      2. -1
        10 January 2020 13: 51
        hint at the assessment of the fascist aggressor after the Red Army survived and then drove back to strangle in its own den?
      3. +2
        10 January 2020 15: 43
        Now the United States needs to offer its Patriot with a 50% discount as it is not condition
  3. +10
    10 January 2020 05: 35
    If I understood the idea correctly, then the "Achilles heel" is the insufficient number of Patriot installations and other air defense / missile defense components around the American bases in Iraq.
    But this is a great marketing opportunity, isn't it? How long does it take and taxpayer money to go to the US military-industrial complex to provide protection against such a threat?
    1. +4
      10 January 2020 05: 50
      The complex of passive location "Avtobaz-M"


      I am glad for the products of our military-industrial complex ... it has shown itself worthy ... I would like to see its work in conditions of active suppression by the electronic warfare systems of Israel and the USA.
      1. +1
        10 January 2020 09: 45
        The products of our defense industry Avtobaza will be when the military will pay for it.

        So far, developers are exporting it
        1. +3
          10 January 2020 14: 00
          The military has no money, except for monetary allowance (salary according to position and rank). The state has the money. The military has nothing to do with money. Is that Serdyukov had such a relationship, but his time is up. The developers do not supply equipment for export. They are just developing it. And for export is the equipment to replenish the "pocket" of the military-industrial complex. For the state has no money for everything. There will be no export, these enterprises of the military-industrial complex will not work at full capacity, specialists will scatter to the sides. Russia is forced to sell its military equipment, because only it has no competition in the world compared to the products of other enterprises in the country. Gas and oil do not count against this statement.
    2. +2
      10 January 2020 17: 07
      And what is the US base around the world? Home, back! There is no need for air defense, except from polar bears and Mexicans.
      But the bears do not have airplanes, and Mexico has completely different problems than the United States pulling its mustache.
  4. +6
    10 January 2020 06: 17
    Eugene Damansky in his role. A set of phrases with highly scientific words, but what about?
    underwent a powerful blow 25-30 operational-tactical ballistic missiles of the type "Qiam" and "Zulfiqar"

    already everywhere passed and confirmed by the Iranian command of 13 missiles
    terminal portion of the trajectory

    The terminal section is the entry of ballistic missile warheads into the atmosphere.
    The result of the integrated work of all of the above funds, we observed in a filigree accurate night strike on the American fortified areas in Iraq.

    Which fortified area? What accuracy, if the CWO of these missiles reaches 1200 meters. The pictures clearly showed a hit on a target having a large area.
    If with great accuracy, we could hit residential premises with flyers or aircraft / helicopter stands to cause more damage.
    The fact that they clicked and not weakly Americans on the nose is yes, they fucked up the prestige of a superpower. But why the rest?
  5. +2
    10 January 2020 07: 14
    While both the fortified areas (near Rekshen and Barbarash) and the Ain Al-Assad air base, located at a distance of 120 to 300 km from the alleged positions of the Iranian OTRK, were powerful blow 25-30 operational-tactical ballistic missiles of the Qiam and Zulfiqar type

    It’s not without reason that he is a strongman, Seven - with one blow! (Br. Makeup)

    Yeah! Damantsev, as always! what
  6. -2
    10 January 2020 09: 30
    Wonderful rockets, with a whole belt of micro-jet engines, once again proved to be powerless. Because "they are not there") Great. Most likely they are there. It's just ... The Saudis fully appreciated the effectiveness of the Patriot systems by looking at their burning refinery reactors. And now the Americans are giving the most accessible answer to the attack, as they understand it. That is, "nothing exists in reality until it was shown on television."
    Interestingly, Mr. Damantsev will be paid directly, given some kind of preference, or the business is being conducted directly with the site's management? It is much easier to believe in this than in the fact that US air bases are protected from missile attacks in the hottest region of the planet, let's say, pointwise. Of course, the United States is an extremely poor and resource-limited country, so they have neither equipment nor sufficient means of air defense at their bases! The unfortunate American naval raft brought one and a half Patriots to Iraq and Syria, there is no more ...
    Mr. Damantsev, the audience level is not the same, if you please work out the pay carefully!
    1. 0
      10 January 2020 13: 55
      Dear, you won’t take much on the raft. Yes, and take a long time.
      1. 0
        10 January 2020 17: 11
        If the "raft" is nuclear, then the squadron can be taken away)))
    2. +1
      10 January 2020 14: 18
      Quote: Mikhail3
      Well, of course, the United States is an extremely poor and resource-limited country, so they have neither the technology nor the means in sufficient quantities to defend their bases!

      Nevertheless, the US strike is confirmed by some "damage" too
    3. +1
      10 January 2020 17: 14
      I thought the same thing, I was too lazy to write. I don’t know how about bonuses, but the protection of the "patriots" is visible to the naked eye.
    4. +1
      10 January 2020 18: 36
      And what do you recommend with rich technology and numerous American anti-aircraft gunners? They work out their salary?
      1. 0
        13 January 2020 09: 09
        How should I know? I do not command them, so, unfortunately, they will ignore the recommendation to go and hang themselves. Thirty years of dominance has led America to a funny result. Capitalism there, complicated by the direct power of finance capital, brought all the laws of its "development" to the maximum.
        After all, how is industrial production arranged under capitalism? First, you dump mountains of money in R&D. Then you make a profit, slowly paying off your debts. And finally, the sweetest thing comes - all debts are paid off, and you skim the cream, spending a little and getting a lot. This situation changes only when some damned competitor has created something better, and you need to move again. And who in our case is a competitor?
        In general, the hated R&D expenditures have long sunk into oblivion. All sorts of "new systems" were routinely produced by replacing the headlight design and restyling the radiator grilles. As long as the happiness lasted, the most expensive part of R&D, the creative engineers, was gone. It is necessary to train thousands of engineers every year so that every two or three decades a couple of creators appear, and about fifty of those who are able to work with them. All this costs a mountain of money. Greedy ...
        In general, anti-aircraft gunners can cry, thump to insert micro-jet engines into intimate places, but they don’t have a decent means of air defense, and when it will be is unknown.
        1. +1
          13 January 2020 14: 08
          Quote: Mikhail3
          the most expensive part of R&D - creative engineers left. Thousands of engineers must be trained annually, so that every two to three decades a couple of creators appear, and with fifty of those who are able to work with them. All this costs a mountain of money. Eagerly ...

          That's right - the culture of designing and manufacturing military equipment and weapons must be constantly fueled, even if it is unprofitable, and it still needs to be developed, of course, choosing the right direction for the development of weapons of the future.
          Quote: Mikhail3
          but they have no decent means of air defense, and when it will be, is unknown.

          They themselves are to blame for this - they too strongly believed that our planes would never bomb the cities of America, that is, they developed their aviation more than air defense systems in the post-war period.
          1. 0
            13 January 2020 14: 13
            The whole technological culture must be nourished. She is either there or not. And yes, you are right. Just about the cities ... They are fighting all over the world. And their main hope was that everyone around them would fight with their own weapons, or even more junk. Well, it didn’t come true, what can I do)
  7. +2
    10 January 2020 09: 54
    It seems to me that the author should not give cartoon sketches about overload units with a mathematical comparison in the forehead, as well as anime about data transmission to fighter aircraft and beautiful "micromotors". It starts to smell like diapers right away. And the first part of the article is so fresh.
  8. +3
    10 January 2020 10: 01
    Secondly, it is the presence in the arsenal of the air defense and Iranian air forces of a huge range of modern means of passive radio-technical reconnaissance and ground-based and air-based radar reconnaissance, which could scan the northern provinces of Iraq


    Again, speculation ...
    Whatever the usual intelligence was carried out in the Arab countries - agents, still an effective means of intelligence.
    In addition, for the point-by-point hit of rockets in buildings, it is necessary to have exact coordinates - i.e. preliminary target designation.
    1. ABM
      +1
      10 January 2020 12: 05
      Google map is nothing like that
  9. +1
    10 January 2020 10: 20
    For Russians, it’s like - to love, so to love!
    To beat is to beat!
    What is this "filigree" blow that did not cause losses? Nearly...
    What kind of revenge is this? Retaliation operation, damn it ...
    If you enter the ring, there should be one thing in the head - victory!
    Thinking just to intimidate the enemy? You lose.
    1. +3
      10 January 2020 14: 00
      Hinting at the Soviet People and the Red Army? There was ideologists, there was unity - they strangled the enemy in the den. But there is no ideology, there is no unity, and the enemy did what Hitler, led by world fascism, could not do. Therefore, do you think we need an ideology for unity and self-confidence? Very possible !!!
      1. 0
        10 January 2020 14: 25
        Gosh, rely on your ancestor - Denis Davydov.
        I’m not hinting at anything - I’m directly speaking!
        Victory is ours!!!
    2. +2
      10 January 2020 14: 24
      [quote = Paul Siebert] If you enter the ring, there should be one thing in your head - victory!
      Thinking just to intimidate the enemy? You will lose. [/ Quote]
      A friend of mine went to the drunken crowd of people who came to beat him - with a caterpillar finger. To begin with, the first blow broke his own gate into two parts lol
      This was the end of the fight ..... right away ....

      Iran NOT he was going to directly wet the USA right now; he seriously enough outlined his position.
      We are waiting for the United States ...

      quote = Paul Siebert] If you enter the ring, there should be one thing in your head - victory! [/ quote] and if the enemy has a machine gun, you may still need a machine gun in your head brain?
      1. 0
        10 January 2020 18: 19
        If the enemy has a machine gun, go to his tank! wink
        1. 0
          10 January 2020 19: 04
          Quote: Paul Siebert
          If the enemy has a machine gun, go to his tank! wink
          -for this, Iran needs to have long-range ballistic missiles - so that at least 1 (!!!!!) nuclear warhead brought to the United States ...
          Just do not forget that the United States is already capable of using nuclear weapons in Iran en masse ...
    3. +4
      10 January 2020 17: 51
      Quote: Paul Siebert
      What is this "filigree" blow that did not cause losses? Nearly...

      Well, let's take Assad's "punishment". They fired 107 missiles, 30 that arrived, smashed a mountain of empty barrels and broke two broken aircraft. Victims - six scrap metal collectors. A hundred-million-dollar operation that ended in nothing.
      Here - only 20-30 missiles - but again, one hundred million damage to the United States. And the allies ran, did not begin to cover with their bodies the American right to torture.
  10. +4
    10 January 2020 16: 11
    Moreover, it is well known that the "Patriot" SAM MIM-104F PAC-3MSE, equipped with gas-dynamic "belts" of 180 radially located transverse microprobe engines in front of the aerodynamic focus of the SAM and capable of maneuvering with overloads of 55-60 units, intercepted without much difficulty there would be 10-15 or more Iranian tactical ballistic missiles of the Qiam and Zulfiqar families, even if the latter implemented anti-aircraft maneuvers with 15-20-fold overloads on the terminal section of the trajectory.

    What kind of overload, maneuvering, aerodynamic focus, and missile interception does the author think? The history of missile defense for more than 50 years is a waste of a lot of money. Means of overcoming missile defense are tens and hundreds of times cheaper. Throw in bases and their radars with cluster munitions and let the missiles maneuver with 600 times overloads, it will be an even more insane waste of money.
    1. +2
      10 January 2020 17: 18
      What kind of overload, maneuvering, aerodynamic focus, and missile interception does the author think? The history of missile defense for more than 50 years is a waste of a lot of money. Means of overcoming missile defense are tens and hundreds of times cheaper. Throw in bases and their radars with cluster munitions and let the missiles maneuver with 600 times overloads, it will be an even more insane waste of money.

      I’ve been thinking about something like this for a long time. How will all this work in a real and big war game? That's the question, however ...
      1. 0
        13 January 2020 14: 17
        Pretty simple. Within a month, all stocks of high-tech weapons will be depleted. If we manage to do without nuclear weapons, everything will return to a machine gun, a simpler gun and a horse. High-tech "surprises" will appear from time to time, but they will not look at all the same as the stupid, publicized and little-useful peacetime weapon.
        There will not even be armored armada - the production of suitable tanks and steel production is so far from each other now that it will simply be impossible to combine them with logistics falling apart during the war. And the staff will not be taken from anywhere - the factories are now empty, the processing centers will quickly fail (where due to the lack of spare parts, where from cyberattacks), machines have been simpler for a long time already, there’s nothing to even teach people ...
        1. 0
          13 January 2020 19: 39
          Michael! I’m thinking not about such a long period, but about the first hours or, rather, minutes.
          1. 0
            14 January 2020 09: 09
            Why think about them? The threat of a missile strike has existed for many decades. Both we and the Americans have (they cannot but exist) both detection tools and protective equipment that will make this strike ineffective. Nobody uses these funds in peacetime, how they work out is unknown, but the probability of their effective use is very high.
            Therefore, the beginning of the World War, which everyone is waiting for, most likely will not happen. Even for the current, terribly stupid elite, it will be utter stupidity. That is, global missiles will not begin global destruction, most likely there will be something, and it’s not like a war ...
            1. -1
              14 January 2020 09: 16
              In principle, you don't have to think, I agree. But the top ones all over the world are stupid. "Ours" are stupid from greed, Anglo-Saxon "partners" are stupid from arrogance, obsessed with the same greed. So we still need to think, only to think about where and how the country will go. I know only one thing - the path of those who are now in power will lead us to ruin.
              The country must be strong in the scientific and industrial sense, have an idea and clear goals.
              1. 0
                14 January 2020 11: 23
                Did we seem to be talking about the first minutes of the beginning of the Great War? And not about where "the country will go"? Elderberry in the garden, uncle in Kiev ...
                1. 0
                  14 January 2020 11: 45
                  Mikhail, I’ve talked about minutes, and you about the fact that there will be no ordinary type of war.
                  And I also raised the question of the real technical feasibility of successfully countering our air defense and missile defense against a mass attack, and did not discuss military options.
                  1. 0
                    14 January 2020 12: 04
                    That is, back to the topic? This is better. We cannot discuss the possibilities of counteracting our missile defense, because, fortunately, we don’t really know about it. And let it continue. Our (and not ours) air defense is a different matter.
                    There is material for reflection, due to the fact that air defense systems are involved in wars. In a mass attack, the number of attackers and the air defense system’s resource in response are of primary importance. Of course, such a resource is completely inadequate. Our air defense systems work much better than American ones, this is clear. But with a really massive blow, they will not be enough, and this is also completely clear.
                    In my opinion, there are ways to solve this problem, in addition to increasing the ammunition of a separate installation. But these are issues that should not be discussed on publicly available resources, and indeed it is not worth discussing them by entering text into computer memory.
                    In general, your thesis that the effectiveness of defense primarily depends on clearly set goals for the country, etc. I fully support. I must say this, otherwise the answer turned out to be one-sided. Very, very supportive.
                    1. +1
                      14 January 2020 18: 32
                      Michael! Thanks for the detailed answer, I generally agree.
                      Only fears remain regarding the technical aspects of the state and capabilities of air defense (modernized 300th and further on increasing tsifiri) with the terrible state of our microelectronics. And much more
                      on which the effectiveness of these systems depends.
                      And yet - I am firmly convinced - these do not intend to respond to a blow in the event of a major war and draw us mirages.
                      And only a change in the supreme power and social system will give the country a chance for recovery.
  11. +3
    10 January 2020 16: 51
    By no appeal style who understood the author. It seems that he himself was sitting in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Iran and gave advice.
  12. 0
    11 January 2020 02: 24
    Salute, Iran!
  13. 0
    11 January 2020 03: 48
    A simple as a mooing conclusion: dear Americans, Iran has intelligence and it knows a lot, knows how and can.
  14. +2
    11 January 2020 05: 33
    As soon as I reached the "gas-dynamic belt" and simply magical amerskiye missiles capable of maneuvering, lo and behold, "already" with overloads of 55-60 units, I understood - Damantsev.
    More than that, no missiles with such overloads can maneuver, well, yes .. And then the magic of a star-striped flag.
  15. 0
    11 January 2020 17: 17
    If the construction of sentences is like a trace in the dust from the urine of a wandering donkey, then you do not need to be seven spans in your forehead to say right away - the author is Evgeny Damantsev.
  16. 0
    11 January 2020 17: 55
    the Damanites are incurable, got about the great MLRS patriotism and FSE ... better about the Iranian missiles, more powerful by the number of warheads, or the fact that Izhis current cycle is dead if not rain or storm. torpedo. or mine. or PCR low-flying. or that NATO air defense can be neglected there is nothing to shoot down blah or cr helicopters except m16 and man-portable air defense systems. Yes, these are so very. not even very much. etc. By the way, I did not know that e2 is a natibalist and f356, too)))
  17. 0
    11 January 2020 23: 53
    Maybe everything is much simpler, Iran is friends with us and China. Maybe someone suggested weaknesses to them))))
  18. +1
    12 January 2020 17: 08
    The main thing is that it has been reliably able to establish that Iranian air defense operators are not able to distinguish civilian Boeing from cruise missiles.

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