In Kiev, they are looking for a “Russian footprint” in the disaster of the Ukrainian Boeing near Tehran

Before the Iranian authorities extinguished the flames at the crash site of the Ukraine International Airlines airliner, in Kiev propagandists of all stripes began to search for a “Russian trace” in the tragedy that had happened.

Disputes and gossip about a missile attack

However, the external background is quite favorable. In Washington, ahead of the investigation, they hastened to announce that the “Boeing 737-800 of Ukraine’s International Airlines, which crashed near Tehran, was probably accidentally shot down from the Iranian Tor-M1 anti-aircraft missile system."

This was cited by a representative of the Pentagon, who in turn referred to data from American and Iraqi intelligence, the British agency Reuters reported on Thursday, followed by the weekly Newsweek. Having created a “sensation”, the publications did not deny themselves the pleasure of issuing their own version of the tragedy, where the “accidental hit of a rocket” was already closely adjacent to the “intentional” one. (Allegedly, the Pentagon is considering both of these options.)

It should be noted that a possible missile attack on a civilian liner was talked about right after the disaster, when the first videos from the scene of the tragedy appeared. Some "experts" saw on the fragments of a fallen glider "traces of the striking elements of an anti-aircraft missile warhead."

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According to him, after the engine ignited, the UIA liner made a turn towards the airport. In addition, at the same time as the Ukrainian Boeing, "at the same height at that moment there were several more passenger airliners." So "a missile attack on an airplane is impossible from a scientific point of view."

How a Ukrainian official supported local propagandists

In Ukraine, few heard Abedzade's explanations. Local social networks are already full of evidence of a missile attack. Among them were “eyewitness accounts”. According to anonymous sources, a message began to go around the sites that the flight attendant of flight PS 752 Tehran-Kiev Ekaterina Statnik managed to call her relatives in Novaya Kakhovka and say that the plane was fired, after which the connection was cut off.

Further more. The post-Maidan propagandists who know the Cyrillic alphabet found familiar words in the message flow - the Tor-1M anti-aircraft missile system. From this, Russia's involvement in the death of the Ukrainian plane was determined.

Such a conclusion with formal logic has little in common. It is more like the proverb that is close to Ukrainian experts: “In the garden of elderberry, and in Kiev, uncle.” But the logic in the Ukrainian capital has not been held in high esteem for a long time, but the “uncle,” as they say, was at the right time and in the right place.

Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Aleksey Danilov voiced to the media the priority versions of the tragedy that his department is leaning towards. In the first place - “The defeat of an aircraft by an anti-aircraft missile system of an air defense missile system, including the Tor air defense missile system, since information about the detection of fragments of a Russian missile near the crash site has already appeared on the Internet."

Danilov said that the State Commission of Ukraine for the investigation of the crash has already arrived in Tehran. It consists of 45 people - representatives of 12 ministries and departments. The commission “includes specialists who take part in the international investigation of the attack of Russian troops on the Malaysian Boeing MN-17 on July 17, 2014 in the airspace of Ukraine”.

So the anti-Russian interpretation of the great human tragedy that happened in the Iranian sky received official support from the Ukrainian authorities. Local experts argued over what caused such a U-turn in discussing the causes of the disaster with UIA's Boeing. They agreed: it is the opposition that is putting pressure on President Vladimir Zelensky, who has embarked on a rapprochement with Russia.

It’s hard to agree with that. Maybe the opposition has saddled social networks, but Alexei Danilov is still an official of the state structure subordinate to Zelensky. So the thing is different. Most likely, Ukrainian propaganda can no longer function without "anti-Russian lubrication." Now she had a chance (albeit on a big tragedy) to revive her failed mechanism. At the same time, once again serve the overseas patron, covering with a new "hot topic" the bandit murder by the Americans of a charismatic Iranian general.

Comments

[Finches]

I just wrote about it on a nearby branch, as VO tud confirmed that not everyone is at home in Kiev! Do you want to ruin the country, invite a Ukrainian to the leadership!

[Hunter 2]

They constantly confirm this! Well, who doubted that this “version” would appear ... from the moment of the disaster - everything was clear ... and comments on this subject - A lot!

[GKS 2111]

And they will find it, they will not rust after them ..
Local social networks are already full of evidence of a missile attack. Among them were “eyewitness accounts” ...anti-aircraft missile system Tor-1M. From this, Russia's involvement in the death of the Ukrainian plane was determined..

[New Year day]

Quote: GKS 2111

And they will find it, they will not rust after them ..

Now, the banderlog mentors pulled themselves up:
The Iranian military is to blame for the crash of a Ukrainian airline’s plane near Tehran, Canada has, reports Sky News on January 9.
According to Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, intelligence said that "the plane was shot down by an Iranian ground-to-air missile."

[Finches]

And what is there to think - everything is clear - Putin pressed on the trigger, and Shoigu took aim - and turned off to excuse Assad, yes, like, they turned some kind of valve in Ankara - they invited Serbs and Bulgarians for an alibi, but you won’t spend the Ukrainians! Dura.kov is dumb!

[bessmertniy]

So these eyewitnesses earn their own milk - testify to the fact that they have no idea.

[Glory1974]

Local social networks are already full of evidence of a missile attack. Among them were “eyewitness accounts”.

There is already a video of a rocket hitting a plane. It remains to consider 2 options:
1. hit from an Iranian air defense system by a ground-to-air missile.
2. hit from an American drone by an air-to-air missile.
But something tells me that if the Americans fired, then with a missile that at least cannot be unambiguously identified.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

If the Americans fired, then the Iranians in their airspace, the Iranians, even if they did not shoot down, at least they would see. The case when they shot down the MQ-9 Reaper proves it. In this case, why would the Iranians consistently promote the version of technical problems and avoid blaming the Americans, and even vice versa, invite them to the investigation (https://www.interfax.ru/world/690667)?

[Glory1974]

Firstly, it’s not a fact that they will see the drone. Secondly, it may turn out that the missile was from MANPADS, and this is also Iran’s fault. Thirdly, there was information that, on the contrary, the Americans were denied access. Fourth, not a fact, that the rocket is American.

[donavi49]

There are a bunch of anti-aircraft missile defense positions nearby - which cover every important thing.

Here's the geolocation.

The Americans - well, it’s doubtful here. Rather, then for Iran, Oh. They can also undermine Khamenia, but no one will see anything. For - a) this is Tehran, b) the Americans need to fly the whole country. Although it is likely to use the new stealthBVA from an officially closed program or others. Again - Stealth Black Hawk before the attack on BenLaden - was a fairy tale and a cartoon.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Hunter 2

Well, who doubted that this “version” would appear ... from the moment of the disaster - everything was clear ... and comments on this subject - A lot!

I can imagine what is happening on Ukrainian sites, screeching, howling and stink.

[Hunter 2]

Quote: tihonmarine

I can imagine what is happening on Ukrainian sites, screeching, howling and stink.

And is there silence on them at all? Look at the Censor, at any time ... I did not even imagine before - how "insidious" Russia Well, how does the GDP-they only have time to harm, generally a fairy tale! So I think, doesn’t sleep at night? He is more often remembered by “his” president! Envy!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Hunter 2

He is more often remembered by “his” president! Envy!

If there is no president, then you have to envy Putin.

[Avior]

I looked. You are mistaken.
Nobody accuses Russia (unlike VO, by the way, here for some reason there are a lot of such accusations), and in general claims to Zelensky mainly, even to Iran, are less in my opinion.
Yes, and special cries are not visible.
By the way, among all the sites that I looked at, Russian, Ukrainian, English-speaking, only on VO There are comments fastening Russia and the Russian leadership to what happened in Iran, I don’t know why, they don’t even stutter about it anywhere else

[2 Level Advisor]

I also looked, the only thing that appears in the words "Russian complex" is about any attitude of Russia to shooting anywhere, except for VO, they do not speak, even at the censor ..

[Avior]

Almost everywhere they write not “Russian”, but “Russian-made”, including Ukrainian and English-language sites

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Avior

Nobody blames Russia

Sumerian sites watched?

[Avior]

Looked
Everywhere, if they write, then “Russian-made”, not Russian
I have not seen Russia’s accusations of what happened in Iran anywhere at all, in fact, even in the article above in the heading it is, but I did not see it in the text of the article, only common words.
Strange, but even about Iran there is not much hysteria there, but it is most likely that the flywheel didn’t spin yet, until yesterday evening on the Ukrainian media as a whole there were reprints of a technical malfunction, accusations against Iran went after lunch, like translated Of the English-speaking, from the Ukrainians themselves, Iran has not yet seen such accusations at all

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Avior

if they write, then “Russian-made”, not Russian

Ukrainian Boeing in Iran could be shot down by a missile of the Russian anti-aircraft system "Tor" - NSDC
Read more here: https://gordonua.com/news/politics/ukrainskiy-boeing-v-irane-mog-byt-sbit-raketoy-rossiyskogo-zenitnogo-kompleksa-tor-snbo-1482184.html#com_form

[Evil543]

About the fact that neighbors do not have everything at home, it seems that little children also know.

[siberalt]

Let them look for the culprit. It’s not the first time they hit passenger lithacs.

[ioan-e]

Quote: Finches

Do you want to ruin the country, invite a Ukrainian to the leadership!

Yes, not a Ukrainian, there are also sane people there - Ukrainians!

[Dimy4]

Kind, forebearing Ukraine, give it another 3 billion in American currency. Suddenly, anger will be replaced by mercy and will no longer blame us for all our troubles.

[bessmertniy]

Yes, at least give 10 lard - just as the new Ukrainians emitted poisonous saliva against Russia, they will continue to be malicious. .

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Dimy4

Kind, forebearing Ukraine, give it another 3 billion in American currency. Suddenly, anger will be replaced by mercy and will no longer blame us for all our troubles.

Human greed has no limit, and Ukrainian is endless.

[rocket757]

Devilish everywhere are ... just in some places the concentration of such increased increased without measure! There are not enough places in the corresponding institutions, but in the wild the manifestations of their nature are very visible.

[RussianRoulette]

Fantazer ... You called me!
"They are looking for firefighters, They are looking for the police, They are looking for photographers. In our capital, They have been looking for a long time, But they cannot find ..."

[mikh-korsakov]

Ukraine believes that Russia, or its agents, shot down their plane to aggravate the situation in the Middle East? Megalomania!

[bar]

In Kiev, looking for a “Russian footprint” in the disaster of the Ukrainian Boeing

They are looking for it not only in Kiev. "Canadian Intelligence", which initially announced a technical malfunction, has already changed its shoes and is announcing a missile launch.

[tihonmarine]

I don’t know how with the Russian trace, but

According to Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, intelligence reported that “the plane was shot down by an Iranian ground-to-air missile”

As they said yesterday, one track was "appointed". Canadians are smarter, they realized that it is impossible to shake off a fool on Russia, but those non-brothers are just with a fool and want to appoint Russia.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

God, what an ultrasonic squeal is worth. Calm down, no one will hang this "Boeing" on Russia, just as no one hangs on it all the killed from the AK, although, it would seem, what ample opportunities.

[svp67]

Now the main thing is that Iran gave "Good" to the arrival of American specialists ...

[ochakow703]

What's the point? These "experts" will look for something that is beneficial to their owners, and, believe me, they will definitely find it. Is it possible to assume that the Americans will confirm the breakdown of their exceptional equipment? Of course the Iranians broke it with a Russian missile.

[Avior]

These are ICAO rules, although they are optional, but they are practically always enforced - the country where the accident happened, the country that owns the aircraft, the manufacturer of the aircraft, and the developer of the aircraft participate in the investigation
If Iran did otherwise, there would be cause for accusation

[svp67]

Quote: Avior

If Iran did otherwise, there would be cause for accusation

There is no doubt and thank God that they understood this, since before that Iran refused to admit American specialists to itself, but the situation now is such that it cannot be otherwise

[Rusfaner]

"Kiev is looking for a" Russian trace "in the crash of the Ukrainian Boeing near Tehran" (c)
The Volga would flow back if it were the other way around!

[Victoria-V]

The US National Transportation Safety Council and the Canadian Transportation Security Council received an invitation from Iran to participate in the investigation of the disaster. This happened for a very simple reason: the majority of passengers are children of Iranian high-ranking officials and businessmen. Hush up the investigation failed.

[Victoria-V]

If you remove the version of the malfunction and the air defense, the version of the attack remains.

[Victoria-V]

If this is still the TOP, either the operator has gone mad or the complex has been transferred to the automatic mode ...

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

And again this is the surprise of the version that someone was wrong. It’s as if no one knows how stupid people can be at times wrong.

[donavi49]

DB They stood at an important facility, covering.

1) Perhaps there was a pause of activity - and then the light fell out. The Iranians thought that civilians no longer fly, and it’s obviously some V-2 wants to kill Khamenei.
2) Tests with electronic starts. Yet again. This is impossible, but in that situation the commander may not even be calculating, and the battery gave such an order to once again run away the scenario with a not very qualified l / s. For if in 20-30 minutes there will be real starts - then an extra training will not hurt. The immediate goal for the electronic launch was this Boeing - but again, due to low qualifications, the battle chain was activated and the rocket went off.
3) It is impossible to dismiss the version that the calculation commander was full of determination and revenge for Sulejmani and when they were transferred to a higher database - he decided to make his answer incorrect. Plus, hoping that after, it will not come out to extinguish the conflict.

[alavrin]

It's funny that in the headlines of the Ukrainian news they write: "shot down by a Russian missile." Well then, write - an American plane.

[Avior]

Can you give a link? I climbed it, I didn’t find it anywhere ...

[Dym71]

Quote: Avior

Can you give a link? I climbed it, I didn’t find it anywhere ...

Do you have enough nonsense with Nenka? Hold: https://www.dialog.ua/blogs/198653_1578603757
Happy New Year!

[Avior]

Happy New Year to you too! And with the New New and the upcoming Old New!
We will always find a reason to celebrate
But in fact, according to your link, frankly delusional note, the author needs to be treated.
However, they also don’t write that it was a Russian rocket, and in the end the author had a random short moment of enlightenment, or something

This does not mean that Putin asked to bring down a Ukrainian plane,

From which it automatically follows that his entire article, in his own words, had to be thrown into the trash right away

[alavrin]

I can even give a detailed commentary by the most prominent representative of the Maidan of ex-deputy Rada Vysotsky:
“Russia never gives up its air defense systems for use without a Russian crew. The officers who command the batteries are always Russian.
I do not want to speculate on the death of our aircraft, but the number of coincidence exceeds the limit.
If there is a Russian trace in the killing of 176 people, this may explain the urgent departure of Russians to Zelensky. Obviously, the purpose of such contact could be agreements on camouflaging the Russian trace. ”
That such nonsense feed the Ukrainian audience.

[2 Level Advisor]

Isn't Buk a Russian rocket? although of course it’s more correct to write - Russian-made .. on the other hand, in the same films / books about the Great Patriotic War, even about a machine gun hanging on a shoulder - German, a tank / plane captured-German .. no one said German production, so everything is clear

[g1washntwn]

Mania persecution is very rarely pursued by delusions in the form of pink ponies. What phobia are such and paranoid hallucinations. And by the way, the persecution mania is almost incurable ...

[Victoria-V]

If debris is found in the wreckage or in the bodies, then all talk of a technical malfunction will cease.

[Barmaleyka]

and if they don’t find it?

[Guards turn]

"Kiev is looking for a" Russian trace "in the crash of the Ukrainian Boeing near Tehran"
And then I already began to worry.
Somewhere there is news about missile firing of the Northern Fleet with the personal participation of Putin.
We need to study for a possible connection with the incident.

[IvanT]

And after all, most sheep will believe this version.

[Victoria-V]

It is not at all clear why the place of the fall was bulldozed by bulldozers. Maybe some local customs?

[Avior]

They bulldozed a place to fall? And where was this reported?

[Avior]

I think this is a false message.

After that, the author of the Bild material, Julian Repke, posted photos showing how bulldozers supposedly work at the crash site.

"The Iranians are bulldozing at the crash site of Flight PS752," he said.

Die Iraner bulldozern die Absturzstelle von Flug # PS752 !!!
Ein "wir waren es" hätte es auch getan. pic.twitter.com/2KoVt1rAmS

- Julian Röpcke (@JulianRoepcke) January 9, 2020

Representatives from Ukraine are working on the spot, he would already have a message

[Barmaleyka]

I remove the question, is it true that a new wiki arises: is it natural or underdeveloped?

[Barmaleyka]

Vika, did you sit in this bulldozer or at the protests at the very bottom with normal trolls, already outright ignoramuses they put for claudia ?!

[Victoria-V]

I just asked if someone knows a more accurate info. And the question of the damaging elements is because I went to F24, and flights have not been stopped. But European companies are not there. I do not deny any version, but we will observe and wait for evidence. Now 4 videos are being studied, maybe this will help.

[Esaul]

If Poroshenko had been, tomorrow he would have demonstrated at the UN a piece of a rocket with the inscription "From Russia with love. Putin."

[Ros 56]

Well, what else can you expect from the fucking Natsiks who betrayed and sold the memory of their ancestors.

[mark_rod]

Terry stupidity flourished in Ukraine for a long time, there is nothing to be surprised at. "There were people like people and at once became d @ beats!" (from the film "Brother").

[Chingachguk]

So it was immediately clear! Whose world is using their machines? Who does not know - AK assault rifles! Kalashnikov assault rifle! And this Kalashnikov is Russian! So even the pirates somewhere in Limonite, also from Russia, have a Russian footprint on their faces! Thought only need to turn on! And that’s all! New sanctions can be introduced immediately !!!!!

[dedBoroded]

if the alleged air defense system is Russian, then the plane is definitely American! that means the Americans are to blame.

[midshipman]

I had to take part in the analysis of catastrophes of civilian aircraft and aircraft of state aviation by type of work. It is strange for me that two pilots disconnected the connection. This has never happened. And the destruction of the aircraft began in the air, fragments of the aircraft are scattered over a distance of more than 350 meters.

[eagle owl]

And a little more about Ukraine and glass:

On the 10th day of the holiday, Monika Selyanski found the country CANADA

[iouris]

He who seeks will find. Do not doubt. But who, and under the influence of what considerations, decided to fly (take off) in the midst of events, when Trump probably hadn't gone to sleep yet, it's interesting (as long as you do what you do, you will have the result that you have) .