Battle of Rostov

Battle of Rostov

On the horse, the proletariat! Artist A.P. Apsitis. 1919 year


Smoot. 1920 year. 100 years ago, on January 9-10, 1920, the Red Army liberated Rostov. The White Guards suffered a heavy defeat. The volunteer corps and the Don army retreated behind the Don.

General situation at the front


During the offensive of the Red South and Southeast Fronts in November-December 1919, the Armed Forces of the South of Russia (VSYUR) were defeated. The plans of the white command to switch to strategic defense, so that as a result of stubborn defense, using natural lines, deplete the Red Army, gain time, regroup troops, mobilize new forces and go on the offensive again, returning the strategic initiative, were frustrated.

At the first stage of the offensive (November 19 - December 16, 1919), the Soviet armies defeated the main forces of the Volunteer Army, Mamontov's equestrian group, liberated Belgorod, Kharkov, and threw volunteers to the Donbass. In the center, the Reds broke into the defense of the Don Army and threw the White Cossacks behind Don. On the right wing, the Reds defeated the Kiev group of White Guards, liberated the northern regions of Little Russia, Poltava and Kiev, and reached the central regions of Little Russia.

At the second stage of the offensive (December 17, 1919 - January 3, 1920), the troops of the Red Southern Front, supported by the Red Partisans, inflicted a new defeat on the Volunteer and Don armies, liberated most of the Donbass. At the same time, the left-flank part of the Volunteer Army was cut off from the main forces that retreated to Rostov-on-Don. The left flank of the White retreated to the Crimea and New Russia. The troops of the South-Eastern Front and part of the forces of the Southern Front (8th Army) crossed the Don, broke the stubborn resistance of the Don and went to the approaches to Novocherkassk. The 10th and 11th armies of the Southeast Front liberated Tsaritsyn.


Donetsk coal should be ours! Artist K. Spassky. 1919

White front


By early January 1920, the Armed Forces of the South of Russia totaled over 85 thousand bayonets and sabers with 522 guns. 54 thousand soldiers and officers (the Don Army - 37 thousand, the Volunteer Corps - 19 thousand and the Caucasian Army - 7 thousand people) and 289 guns were concentrated in the main direction — along Don and Sal.

The Volunteer Army (its remains were brought into the Volunteer Corps under the command of General Kutepov) and the Don Army retreated to the Rostov-Novocherkassky bridgehead. Here Denikin decided to fight the Soviet troops, which after a long period of offensive battles showed signs of overwork and frustration. Because of the unification of the front, the Volunteer Corps was subordinated to the commander of the Don Army. General Sidorin covered the Rostov direction with volunteers and the Novocherkassk one with donors, in the center were the horse corps of Mamontov and Toporkov (commander of the consolidated Kuban-Tersky horse corps - Denikin's reserve).

On the western flank, the commander of the troops of the Novorossiysk region, General Schilling, sent the Slashchev corps to cover Northern Tavria and the Crimea. The corps of General Promtov and the former troops of the Kiev group under the command of General Bredov were located on the Birzul-Dolinskaya-Nikopol line. On the left flank, the Caucasian army of Pokrovsky retreated beyond the Sal river line, covering the Stavropol and Tikhoretsk directions.


The battle for Rostov


By the beginning of 1920, Budyonny's shock group with battles went through the entire Donbass and was divided. The 9th Infantry Division continued the march to Taganrog, which was occupied on the night of January 6-7, 1920. The main forces were aimed at Rostov.

The Red Army reached the Sea of ​​Azov on January 6. However, one of the main goals of the strategic offensive of the Southern Front - the dismemberment of the All-Union Socialist League and the destruction of the Volunteer Army - could not be fully achieved. The task was only partially completed. The left wing of the Volunteer Army (Schilling troops) were separated from the main forces. But the main forces of the volunteers were able to escape from the trap and make their way to Rostov. Here, the greatly thinned Volunteer Army was reduced to a corps under the command of Kutepov. Wrangel was hastily sent to the Kuban to form a new cavalry army. Denikin decided to give battle in the area between Rostov and Novocherkassk, hoping to stop the tired and partially frustrated Soviet troops. The White Command threw the last reserves into battle - 1,5 horse divisions, a Plastun brigade and 2 officer schools under the general command of General Toporkov.

On January 7, 1920 (December 25, 1919 according to the old style) the Reds pulled up the main forces: the 1st Konarmia as part of the 6th and 4th Cavalry, as well as the 12th Rifle Division, the 15th, 16th and 33rd Rifle Divisions of the 8th Army. On the left flank of the Reds on Novocherkassk attacked the Dumenko Horse-Joint Corps with the support of rifle units of the 9th Army. The stubborn fighting on the 80-kilometer sector of the front lasted two days.

Novocherkassk attacked the equestrian corps of Dumenko with the support of two rifle divisions. The commander of the Don army, Sidorin, dealt a counter strike to the Reds. At first the Don people pressed the enemy. But then the Soviet artillery stopped the white counterattack that had begun, knocked out a few tanks. Belokazaki mixed up. Dumenko attacked again, knocked over the donors, forced them to retreat to Novocherkassk. The Cossacks could not stand the assault and retreated to the Don. On January 7, Dumenko’s troops occupied the capital of the Don Army.

In the center of the corps, Mamontov and Toporkov attacked and defeated the 15th and 16th rifle divisions of the 8th Soviet army. However, the first success was not used, the white cavalry retreated to its original position, fearing attacks from the flanks, where the Reds had powerful horse-drawn formations. On January 8, Budyonnovtsy, with a powerful concentrated blow in the area of ​​the villages of Generalsky Most, Bolshoi Sali, Sultan-Sala and Nesvetay, crushed the main enemy forces. The Terek Plastun brigade was almost completely destroyed, Toporkov’s corps and part of the volunteers were overturned. Officer schools were surrounded in an open field, built in a square and fought off the attacks of the red cavalry with volley fire. They were defeated when the Reds pulled up artillery.

Meanwhile, Mamontov, not fulfilling the order of a new attack, began to withdraw the 4th Don Corps through Aksai and beyond, beyond Don. The thaw began, and he was afraid that the crossing would be impossible, the troops would die. He saved his subordinates, pulled out of the attack, but finally destroyed the common front. Volunteers had to stretch even weak battle formations to close the gap. This was the last operation of Mamontov. He went to Yekaterinodar to participate in the meetings of the Supreme Circle of the Don, Kuban and Terek, where the Circle was ready to transfer to him the high command of all the Cossack troops. However, Mamontov’s typhus. On February 1, 1920, the general died (according to another version - he was poisoned).

Meanwhile, the battle was still ongoing. Volunteers still resisted. The breakthrough of the Budyonnovites was stopped. On the left flank, the Drozdovskaya division and the cavalry of General Barbovich (brigade remnants of the 5th cavalry corps of Yuzefovich) even counterattacked. However, defeat was already inevitable. The Reds came to the rear from Novocherkassk. On the evening of January 8, the 4th Cavalry Division of Gorodovikov occupied Nakhichevan-on-Don (a city on the right bank of the Don, since 1929 - a suburb of Rostov). At the same time, the 6th Cavalry Division of Tymoshenko, having marched behind enemy lines, suddenly burst into Rostov, taking by surprise the White headquarters and rear services.

On January 9, 1920, the Drozdovites and Kornilovites, who were still fighting off frontal attacks, received orders to retreat. They had to break through Rostov, partially occupied by the Reds. After heavy street battles, volunteers broke through to the left bank of the Don. By January 10, with the support of the approaching 33rd Infantry Division, the city had completely passed into the hands of the Red Army. The Reds captured a large number of prisoners and trophies. The VSYUR rate was transferred to the Tikhoretskaya station.

The Red Army tried to force the Don on its shoulders and on the shoulders of a running enemy, but a thaw ensued and crossing the ice became unreliable. These attempts were reflected in white. January 17 - 22, 1920, the 1st Cavalry Army attempted to seize a bridgehead on the left bank of the Don in the Bataysk region and from there develop the offensive further. However, the offensive in the conditions of overwork and frustration of the units, the passivity of the troops of the neighboring 8th Army, the onset of the thaw on the southern, marshy bank of the Don, where the whites were well established, failed. Pavlov’s 4th Don Corps (he replaced the departed Mamontov) and Toporkov’s corps were defeated and the Budyonnovites were thrown behind Don.


Prominent figure in the White movement, General S. M. Toporkov. 1919

Continuing the fight


Thus, the offensive of the Red Army, which lasted three months, was completed. The troops of the All-Ukrainian Union of Independent Forces were seriously defeated. The White Guards lost control of important industrial and rural areas of southern Russia with a population of 27,7 million people. VSYUR was cut into two groups. The main forces of the whites - the Volunteer Corps, the Don and the Caucasian armies (about 55 thousand people), retreated to the North Caucasus direction. The Novorossiysk white group (about 32 thousand people) retreated to Northern Tavria, Crimea and the Southern Bug.

The 13th and 14th Soviet armies reached the Sea of ​​Azov, the 12th Army fought successfully for the liberation of Little Russia. The forces of the 1st Cavalry Army and the 8th Army, in collaboration with the 9th Army of the South-Eastern Front, carried out the Rostov-Novocherkassk operation. In a fierce battle, the main forces of the Volunteer Corps and the Don Army were defeated, Novocherkassk and Rostov were liberated. The 10th Army of the Southeast Front went to the river. Sal, and the 11th Army advanced in the Stavropol and Kizlyar directions, creating the conditions for the liberation of the North Caucasus. That is, the conditions were created for the complete defeat of the White Army in southern Russia and the liberation of Novorossia and the North Caucasus.

After that, the front stabilized for a while. The White Command tried to stay in still occupied areas, regroup and restore troops. However, the situation was extremely difficult. The troops retreated for three months, were extremely tired, bloodless, the rear completely fell apart. In the rear, rebels and bandits raged. The public, agitated by heavy defeats and the threat of complete disaster, gave birth to one political project after another. In particular, the independence of the Kuban Republic was restored.

The situation in Denikin’s army was mixed. Volunteers generally maintained their fighting spirit, combat effectiveness and discipline. The Don army, having retreated from its land, in many ways lost its fighting spirit. Many donors were ready to surrender so as not to leave the Don. Only a slight pause in the fighting, when the White retreated behind the Don, somewhat restored the combat effectiveness of the Don army. The Don people still hoped to regain their area. The Don command was ready to continue the struggle. The situation was much worse with the Kuban Cossacks. Independents returned to power, formed their units. There were almost no Kuban units at the front, and the remaining Kuban decomposed.

The Red Army, having won, ran out of steam as a result of continuous battles, a fierce and bloody battle from Orel and Voronezh to Rostov. The troops were exhausted, bloodied by battles and a terrible epidemic of typhoid. The big problem was with the supply of armies. Railways were destroyed by war and stood up. It was difficult to replenish and supply parts, to transport the wounded and sick. Often had to engage in "self-supply", that is, requisition and robbery. In addition, a big victory caused the decomposition of the Red troops, they walked, including the commanders. It seemed that White was already defeated and it would be easy to finish them off. Therefore, you can relax and unwind.

On January 10, 1920, the Southern Front was transformed into the Southwest. It included the 12th, 13th and 14th armies. The South-Western Front under the leadership of A. Egorov was supposed to liberate New Russia, Crimea. On January 16, 1920, the Southeast Front was transformed into the Caucasus. The front was tasked with completing the liquidation of the North Caucasian army of Denikin and liberating the Caucasus. The first commander of the Caucasus Front was V. Shorin. The front included troops of the 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th and 1st Cavalry Army, located from Astrakhan to Rostov.

The peasant war after the front line again swept through the southern regions of Russia and in Little Russia did not stop. Now the rebels have already fought with the Reds. The same Makhno, who, by his war, chained himself at the most decisive moment of the clash between white and red 1,5 White Guard corps, in early 1920 revived the independent anarchist-peasant republic in Gulyai-Pole. Makhnovists wedged between units of the 14th Soviet Army advancing in the Crimea. The Soviet command ordered the army of Makhno to go to the Western Front to fight the Poles. Old Man ignored this indication. On January 9, 1920, the All-Ukrainian Revolutionary Committee outlawed Makhno and his group as "deserters and traitors." The stubborn struggle of the Makhnovists against the Bolsheviks begins, it continued until the fall of 1920, when the rebels again opposed the whites (Wrangel's army). This helped Slashchev’s corps keep Crimea behind the whites.
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  1. Vladimir_2U 10 January 2020 05: 39 New
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    100 years ago, on January 9-10, 1920, the Red Army liberated Rostov. Very well said, it’s liberated!
    1. Alexander Suvorov 10 January 2020 08: 14 New
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      Vladimir_2U (Vladimir)
      100 years ago, on January 9-10, 1920, the Red Army liberated Rostov. Very well said, it’s liberated!
      Good morning! Wait, now in ward number 6 the round will end and olgovich will explain to you popularly on the fingers that he didn’t release, but occupied ... laughing
      However, Mamontov’s typhus. On February 1, 1920, the general died (according to another version - he was poisoned).
      Maxim died, and to hell with him. There they all cherish.
  2. Olgovich 10 January 2020 08: 13 New
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    100 years ago, January 9-10, 1920, the Red Army liberated Rostov

    Captured Rostov Russian State and Russian Army

    Inattentive which author, did not look at the poster he quoted: there is a call to return the Donbass ..... RSFSR . Cheated, as always, gave it away ... Ukraine, because of why today Russians are being killed there yes

    Southwestern front under A. Egorova

    USSR Armed Forces recognized traitor to the motherland, fascist and spy. Disgraced and destroyed yes

    The first commander of the Caucasus Front was V. Shorin

    The same is destroyed by its "comrades" yes

    which, however, are commanders of secretaries. belay
    1. Vladimir_2U 10 January 2020 08: 39 New
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      Something of Olgych is not visible when there is a dispute with the Poles about Katyn, or about who unleashed and sponsored the 2nd World War, for example. Hence the conclusion that Olgovich is pro-Polish and pro-English, and even completely pro-Nazi, which means an automatic Russophobian “activist”, even anti-Sovietism does not need to be remembered.
      However, Mamontov’s typhus. On February 1, 1920, the general died (according to another version - he was poisoned). It seems that they completely sent their own to Dukhonin’s headquarters, without waiting for a squabble in the EMRO.
      But Slashchev, according to many, the best tactics of the Civil War, November 3, 1921, on the anniversary of the capture of the Crimea, the All-Russian Central Executive Committee of the RSFSR announced an amnesty to the participants of the White Movement. Slashchev in Constantinople entered into negotiations with the Soviet authorities, was amnestied.
      He, in particular, wrote “You are frightened by the fact that returning whites are subjected to various repressions. I went, checked and made sure that the past was forgotten. General Milkovsky, Colonel Gilbikh, several officers and my wife came with me. And now, as one of the former senior commanders of the volunteer army, I command you: “Follow me!” Do not believe the gossip about Russia, do not dare to sell, to go to war in Russia.
      I demand the submission of Soviet power to protect the homeland and its people.
      This is a real Russian warrior! Unfortunately killed in peacetime by Kolenberg, avenging his brother, hanged during the Civil War.
      1. Alexander Suvorov 10 January 2020 09: 14 New
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        Vladimir_2U (Vladimir)
        Something of Olgych is not visible when there is a dispute with the Poles about Katyn, or about who unleashed and sponsored the 2nd World War, for example.
        Well, why, like all anti-Russophobic anti-Soviet men, he blames the Soviet authorities and Lenin and Stalin at the beginning of WWII.
        Hence the conclusion that Olgovich is pro-Polish and pro-English, and even completely pro-Nazi, which means an automatic Russophobian “activist”, even anti-Sovietism does not need to be remembered.
        Have you doubted ?! Scrape the anti-Soviet, you will find a Russophobe.
        But Slashchev, according to many, is the best tactic of the Civil War. This is a real Russian warrior!
        About Slashchev completely agree. Really courageous man! To admit their mistakes, return to their homeland and faithfully serve it, this is really the act of a real person and an honest officer. Not that Skins, Krasnov, Denikin and other corrupt skins.
        1. bober1982 10 January 2020 09: 43 New
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          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          To admit their mistakes, return to their homeland and faithfully serve her, this is really the act of a real person and an honest officer

          You, Alexander, spoke too enthusiastically about the triumphant return of Slashchev, everything was different - it was a brilliant special operation of the Cheka’s organs, which was included in the gold fund of the Chekists.
          1. Alexander Suvorov 10 January 2020 09: 49 New
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            bober1982 (vladimir)
            everything was different - it was a brilliant special operation of the Cheka’s organs, which was included in the gold fund of the Chekists.
            And what does it change in the end? Slashchev returned to the USSR, many followed him. Well, the fact that the Cheka took part in this, is only a plus in the treasury of the Cheka and Felix Edmundovich.
            1. bober1982 10 January 2020 09: 55 New
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              Quote: Alexander Suvorov
              many followed him

              Not just a word, they reached out, but a split, a turmoil in exile — that would be more correct to say.
              Slashchev did not become his in Soviet Russia, they did not trust and did not trust him, surveillance, petty dirty tricks, and so on. Further, it is well known what happened.
              1. Alexander Suvorov 10 January 2020 10: 05 New
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                bober1982 (vladimir)
                Not just a word, they reached out, but a split, a turmoil in exile — that would be more correct to say.
                At home, it’s better than poverty in emigration.
                Slashchev did not become his in Soviet Russia, they did not trust him and did not trust him
                They didn’t trust so much that from 1922 until his death he was a teacher in the tactics of the school of the command staff "Shot" ... According to General P.I. Batova:
                He taught [Slashchev] brilliantly, at the lectures it was full of people, and the tension in the audience was sometimes like in a battle. Many listening commanders themselves fought with the Wrangelites, including on the approaches to the Crimea, and the former White Guard general spared neither causticity nor ridicule, analyzing this or that operation of our troops.

                surveillance, minor dirty tricks and so on.
                And where without it? The country since the formation of the USSR in the ring of enemies. Believing everyone’s word is sometimes more expensive, so what are the times, such and mores.
                1. bober1982 10 January 2020 10: 14 New
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                  Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                  At home, it’s better than poverty in emigration.

                  The fate of those returning - you won’t envy, Slashchev set up people, and he was laughing at tactics lessons (until a certain time)
                  1. Alexander Suvorov 10 January 2020 10: 40 New
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                    The fate of those returning - you will not envy
                    Who specifically and what you will not envy?
                    1. bober1982 10 January 2020 10: 47 New
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                      Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                      Who specifically and what you will not envy?

                      To those officers who believed Slashchev, and returned to Soviet Russia.
                      Most were destroyed.
                      1. Alexander Suvorov 10 January 2020 10: 58 New
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                        bober1982 (vladimir)
                        To those officers who believed Slashchev, and returned to Soviet Russia.
                        Most were destroyed.
                        Well, maybe enough already, not tired of the same thing? Destroyed, rotted in the Gulag, personally Stalin shot and dispelled the ashes ...
                        Well, boring already, honestly. Yes, I do not argue, someone innocently fell under the skating rink of Yezhov and Yagoda, but this is still a minuscule amount, compared with the fact that they cleaned up those really guilty of the conspiracy. And then, with the advent of Beria, many were amnestied, if you remember. The first Beria amnesty, emnip something about 600 thousand.
                        And let's be honest, not all "former" who returned to the USSR returned there to honestly serve the Motherland, whatever its name. There were a lot of those who wanted to harm the USSR. So the majority has suffered quite a bit in the case.
      2. Olgovich 10 January 2020 12: 01 New
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        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        e in

        DO NOT talk with a lover of mate and foul language. Leave me alone!

        When apologize publiclythen we continue
        1. Vladimir_2U 10 January 2020 12: 02 New
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          Even here, Olgych managed to kill a quote, but what is it!
      3. Ryazan87 12 January 2020 01: 58 New
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        “You are frightened by the fact that returning whites are subjected to various repressions. I went, checked and made sure that the past was forgotten. General Milkovsky, Colonel Gilbikh, several officers and my wife came with me.”
        Eduard Gilbich will be shot in 1931. Milkovsky is also being repressed (there is no exact date).
        More about the "returnees": General Yevgeny Dostalov (chief of staff of the 1st Corps) - returned in 1922, shot in 1938, General Yuri Gravitsky (commanded the Combined-Infantry Regiment) - returned in 1922, shot in 1931, General Alexander Secretov - returned to 1923, shot in 1931, General Yevgeny Zelenin - returned in 1921, shot in 1931. “A real Russian warrior” Slashchev would have received his own (it should be noted that rightly so).
        Pissed out appeals, touched the Soviet regime .. there was still Ustryalov, who invented National Bolshevism. Also returned with a predictable result.
    2. Corrie sanders 10 January 2020 18: 03 New
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      Olgovich, you forgot another character - Boris Mokeevich Dumenko. They didn’t wait and calculated right away, a month after the events described B.M. Dumenko was arrested by order of the PBC and in May 1920 he was shot in Rostov without any weighty charges by the decision of the Revolutionary Tribunal without the right of appeal. The verdict was signed by Ivar Tenisovich Smilga, a faithful Leninist, an ardent fighter for the world proletariat (on January 10, 1937 he was executed as a Trotskyist and accomplice of the world bourgeoisie, cremated, the ashes were dispelled). During the rehabilitation campaign under Khrushchev in the military circles of the USSR, an initiative was put forward to rehabilitate B.M. Dumenko, since there was nothing concrete in his sentence, only denunciations of D. Zhloba and G. Peskarev. (The redneck was executed as an enemy of the people in 1938, Peskaryov in 1939, and the redneck as an "accomplice of the White Guards" (Wrangel "saw the light" in the next world), Peskaryov as an "active Trotskyist", despite the fact that in 1937-38 he was part of the troika and himself punished the Trotskyists of the Kalinin region with all proletarian hatred). The execution sentence of Dumenka was imposed on the “conscience of the judge and revolutionary legal consciousness” (as in the text). But no - in 1966, Budyonny sent Voroshilov information material in 90 typewritten pages, entitled “On Rehabilitation and Praise in the Periodical Press of F. Mironov and Dumenko,” where he was categorically against their rehabilitation, and the names of Mironov and Dumenko were actually classified to 90s.
      1. Engineer 10 January 2020 21: 18 New
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        in 1966, Budyonny sent Voroshilov informational material in 90 typewritten pages, entitled “On Rehabilitation and Praise in the Periodical Press of F. Mironov and K. Dumenko,” where he was categorically against their rehabilitation

        Do not share the source? I am poorly guided by the topic, the impression is that it was Mironov and his 2nd equestrian who played a decisive role in the Crimea. All laurels were taken by the 1st equestrian. Budyonny’s hostility to Mironov is incomprehensible to me and against this background it looks like some kind of Freudian complex
        1. Corrie sanders 10 January 2020 21: 43 New
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          You are absolutely right, as a kid in the 70s I heard conversations of people who were then 70-80 years old, they fought in civilian fashion, as they all said that Budyonny was later invented, that the former Tsarist officer Mironov was in charge of the entire organization of the red cavalry, it was Mironov, about Dumenko I did not hear then. About Budyonny’s letter here [Sokolov B.V. Budyonny: red Murat. M., Young Guard, 2007], it is online, there you can find a search quote. I understand that B, Sokolov is still a “historian,” but in this case, he himself, in turn, was tearing it from somewhere.
          1. Engineer 10 January 2020 21: 48 New
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            B, Sokolov is also a "historian"

            Yes, not long yet. But thanks anyway.
            1. Corrie sanders 10 January 2020 21: 50 New
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              so he just copied it from someone’s dissertation
              1. Engineer 10 January 2020 21: 51 New
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                And I didn’t give the link, hunter.
                1. Corrie sanders 10 January 2020 21: 54 New
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                  here is its text [http://www2.e-reading.club/chapter.php/92130/5/Sokolov_-_Budennyii__Krasnyii_Myurat.html], it’s twisted-tormented but you can understand something, even gave some kind of link
                  1. Engineer 10 January 2020 21: 57 New
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                    Thanks, I'm already reading
      2. Olgovich 11 January 2020 09: 22 New
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        Quote: Corrie Sanders
        Olgovich, you forgot another character - Boris Mokeevich Dumenko.

        Exactly, I missed it .... recourse
        Quote: Corrie Sanders
        Ivar Tenisovich Smilgi, a faithful Leninist, an ardent fighter for the world proletariat (January 10, 1937 he was shot as a Trotskyist and accomplice of the world bourgeoisie, cremated, the ashes are dispelled). During the rehabilitation campaign under Khrushchev in the military circles of the USSR, an initiative was put forward to rehabilitate B.M. Dumenko, since there was nothing concrete in his sentence, only denunciations of D. Zhloba and G. Peskarev. (The redneck was executed as an enemy of the people in 1938, Peskaryov - in 1939, and the redneck - as an "accomplice of the White Guards"

        The traitor was punished ... other traitors who were punished ... third traitors.
        And lovers of those times consider this ... the norm ... belay request
  3. antivirus 10 January 2020 08: 43 New
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    antivirus 1 Today, 10:11 | Battle of Bucharest
    Sometimes I read about WWI and look at the photos of the "noblest" generals.
    And: a father from 30 years old remembered- "grandfather (my great-grandfather) said:" here we are in the first imperialist .. "and so on (father did not remember or said something empty?)
    Only one episode ----
    IMPORTANT --- REASON FOR THE GREAT OCTOBER SOCIALIST REVOLUTION-
    great-grandfather served as a batman under the officer. serves coffee in bed. "Ivan, I told you how many times I told you. What is needed with the foam." Razz-zzz on the teeth of his great-grandfather. "Go do as taught."
    He went out the door, spat in the cup, shook his finger and handed it again. "That's the way to do it"
    In this spit, the reason for the defeat in the WWI and the destruction of the Ros Empire and its army. Tired of enduring dentists, not re-educated officer A, turned out to be. and the whole nobility
    maybe the reason is dentition?
    27g
    1. Aviator_ 10 January 2020 09: 00 New
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      One hundred years ago, even the inscription was in front of the parks: "Dogs and lower ranks are not allowed." The humiliation of the main working mass of the population was beyond the limit, and "their nobility" received an answer as a result, no matter how many years later the bakers would ache. And about our Romanian - I think he is on salary here.
      1. Alexander Suvorov 10 January 2020 09: 20 New
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        Aviator_ (Sergey)
        And about our Romanian - I think he is on salary here.
        I think you are right!
        I wonder where the rest of the bakers got to, something I have long been a "lieutenant of the Teterin", "soldier", "adjutant" and other white-bellied do not see?
        1. solzh 10 January 2020 11: 24 New
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          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          I wonder where the rest of the bakers got to

          Why do you need them? Read another nonsense?
          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          Lieutenant Teterin

          Indeed, he had not been seen for a long time. Of the entire White Guard public on the site, the lieutenant is the only adequate and good opponent. You can have a dialogue with him. I had previously encountered him a couple of times in disputes and I can tell you that he was not rude to me and led a dialogue culturally.
          PS
          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          crystal bakers

          Without them, it’s somehow more comfortable on the site hi
          1. Alexander Suvorov 10 January 2020 11: 30 New
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            solzh (Sergey)
            Why do you need them? Read another nonsense?
            And that’s true, one olgovich is enough for his eyes with his bullshit.
            I had previously encountered him a couple of times in disputes and I can tell you that he was not rude to me and led a dialogue culturally.
            Often deliberately cultural. His "culture" is this kind of mockery of the opponent.
            Without them, it’s somehow more comfortable on the hi website
            I agree! hi
            1. solzh 10 January 2020 11: 33 New
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              Quote: Alexander Suvorov
              Often deliberately cultural. His "culture" is this kind of mockery of an opponent

              I agree, you are right about his "cultural".
        2. Red Bogatyr 12 January 2020 23: 09 New
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          "I wonder where the rest of the bakeries got to, something I have long been a" lieutenant of the Teterin "," soldier "," adjutant "and other white-bellied people?" nicknames may have changed ???), but there are a lot of crunches, I’m looking here ... on the “crusade”, at first they’ve thrown cons)
  4. bober1982 10 January 2020 09: 26 New
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    The picture attracted attention (in the article), authored by A.P. Apsitis On the horse, the proletariat , interested - who it is, this turns out to be calling the proletarians for Latvian horses, from 1921 he lived in Latvia, and from 1939 to 1944 in Nazi Germany, where he quietly went to another world.
    And he called Russian peasants to the slaughter.
    1. Nagaibak 10 January 2020 10: 10 New
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      bober1982 "The picture attracted attention (in the article), authored by A.P. Apsitis."
      Well, this is garbage.))) In the ranks of the whites were the so-called whites. Type Guides who drove Russian peasants to slaughter. And then they betrayed them and washed off to the Czech Republic. Or some sort of Cheese which Kolchak gave out in red.))) There are many such examples.))))
      1. bober1982 10 January 2020 10: 18 New
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        In the ranks of the whites were the so-called whites. Type Guides who drove Russian peasants for slaughter

        But, in the ranks of the whites there were no whites, just as there were no so-called whites themselves, there were simply-whales.
        Gaida commanded an international rabble.
        1. Nagaibak 10 January 2020 15: 01 New
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          bober1982 "Guida commanded an international rabble."
          It is clear.)))) Kolchak's most combat-ready Siberian army was an international rabble from your words.))) What can we say about other white troops. laughing The Czechs on the side of the whites are white whales. And there are other white Poles, white finns, and so on (even if they fought for their independence. You are white against the Reds. You understand the logic of the civil war ... if not red, then white.
    2. Olgovich 10 January 2020 12: 14 New
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      Quote: bober1982
      The picture attracted attention (in the article), by A.P. Apsitis. On the horse, the proletarian was interested - who is it, it turns out that this prodigy proletarians on the Latvian horses, since 1921 he lived in Latvia, and in 1939-1944 in Nazi Germany, where he calmly left for another world.

      This is what: TWO commanders of the Latvian Red Mercenary Division left for bourgeois Latvia, remained with her during the occupation by the Nazis, RUN with the Nazis from .... their own red army and went to live in ... damn cap London
    3. sniperino 10 January 2020 16: 05 New
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      Quote: bober1982
      Latvian, since 1921 he lived in Latvia, and in 1939-1944 in Nazi Germany, where he quietly went to another world ... And he called Russian peasants to the slaughter.
      It is difficult to understand the participants, who at the same time 1) celebrate the victory in the Civil War of the Bolsheviks, who cannot be suspected of being sympathetic to anything Russian; 2) express their respect to Stalin, who “extinguished” the most ardent Bolshevik revolutionaries, for he was going to use Russian peasants not as a brushwood, but as builders of a new society; 3) express respect for the authorities, which during the life of Stalin created his cult, and after his death made him a scapegoat responsible for everything bad and 4) promote the thesis "anti-Soviet = Russophobe". Such people either deliberately lie, or repeat someone’s lies, not knowing the history, or are not sensitive to contradictions at all.
      1. Alexander Suvorov 10 January 2020 17: 06 New
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        sniperino Today, 16:05 PM
        It is hard to understand participants who are both
        Nothing difficult if you have a head on your shoulders and be able to use it correctly.
        But to understand the Bulk Khrusts, who are both for the tsar and for those who overthrew him, is really difficult!
        1. sniperino 10 January 2020 17: 29 New
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          But to understand the Bulk Khrusts, who are both for the tsar and for those who overthrew him, is really difficult!
          If this is a hint in my address, then confirmation is needed so as not to look like a balabol or a tight understanding, because, I am for the union of the monarch with the people, restraining the aspirations of the elites (boyars, bulkhrusts) both to seize the power of the monarch and to infringe the rights of the people.
          1. sniperino 10 January 2020 17: 46 New
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            Quote: sniperino
            (boyars, boulokhrustov
            and party-state nomenclature)
          2. Moskovit 10 January 2020 19: 37 New
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            Shaw, again? (C).
            History has not taught that monarchy is a dead end?
            1. sniperino 11 January 2020 23: 19 New
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              Quote: Moskovit
              Shaw, again? (C). History did not teach that the monarchy is a dead end?
              You tell the British, Japanese and other Swedes, they are neighing. The monarch is not always the king and not always absolute. Stalin is a red monarch: he built a rigid vertical of power. Putin is a monarch who has built his vertical. They can be compared with each other, but not with Brezhnev, Yeltsin and Gorbachev.
              1. Moskovit 11 January 2020 23: 45 New
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                Of course they are neighing. For them, the monarchy is House-2. Tell me, perhaps, what a rigid vertical of power did the Swedish monarch build? Or how does Naruhito influence Japanese politics?
                1. sniperino 12 January 2020 01: 20 New
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                  For them, the monarchy is House-2
                  For them, the monarchy is a symbol of the unity of the nation in its centuries-old history. In addition, even a nominal monarch bears the burden of exemplary attitude to the homeland, people, moral standards and traditions. Not all princes and princesses like this publicity, but you can’t come off too much, but how it will be with Diana. The monarch presents to his contemporaries the face of the nation in history.
                2. sniperino 12 January 2020 01: 45 New
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                  Tell me, perhaps, what a rigid vertical of power did the Swedish monarch build?
                  Look for “types and forms of the monarchy”, think about why developed countries spend money on the maintenance of this social institution, then write that “the monarchy is a dead end”, otherwise history has proved something to you, but not to them. But with regard to Russia, Dugin made everything available: the weak (nominal) monarch is evil, the strong is good for the country.
  5. Red Bogatyr 12 January 2020 23: 50 New
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    His Slashchev did not become in Soviet Russia

    but the lectures were attended with MUCH interest! :) Why is it bad that he began to work for the benefit of the socialist fatherland?