Newsweek announces possible accidental strike of Tor air defense system against Ukrainian Boeing in Iran


Regular reports appeared in the Western press about the reasons for the crash of a Ukrainian UIA plane near Imam Khomeini Airport near Tehran. Recall that the plane crashed a few hours after the shelling of the IRGC of American military bases in Iraq. A few hours ago, the Western press, citing representatives of Canadian intelligence, came out with materials stating that the Boeing had a catastrophe due to a technical malfunction - engine overheating.


Newsweek has a completely different perspective. It published material in which, with reference to unnamed sources, it was stated that the activity of the Iranian air defense complex became the cause of the disaster. The publication claims that such information was allegedly provided by certain persons in the US Department of Defense.

From the material:

The passenger plane of the Ukrainian airline UIA, presumably (possibly), was shot down by the Tor anti-aircraft missile system manufactured in Russia. The rocket, apparently, was released by accident.

The authors of the article write that the Iranian Tor air defense system “could have been active in connection with the expectation of retaliatory American attacks after Iran fired on US bases in Iraq.”

The material stated that the United States allegedly recorded a signal at the frequency of activity of the Tor air defense radar, and then "recorded two flashes characteristic of the launch of anti-aircraft missiles."

Recall that earlier, the discovery of all flight recorders of the Boeing flying from Tehran to Kiev was noted. The plane began to fall from a height of 2,4 thousand meters. None of the people on board survived.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins 9 January 2020 20: 18 New
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    Well, here are the first stuffing!
    1. Gray brother 9 January 2020 20: 28 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Well, here are the first stuffing!

      This is rotten yesterday.
      Even the photo of the proof is real)))

      At the top of the photo you can see the container from under the doshik.
      1. Guru 9 January 2020 21: 10 New
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        The rotten one is real. 1) Has Iran’s special services not been removed at once all the evidence (you think all the fools are there) 2) Do you think that the rocket falls near the plane it shot down? THIS IS A PURE WATER EMPTY.
        I don’t jerk Sergey, he should have expected such a throw-in.
        1. Gray brother 9 January 2020 21: 12 New
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          Quote: Guru
          You think all the fools are there)

          I think that some people around hold for fools.
          1. Guru 9 January 2020 21: 13 New
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            I think that some people around hold for fools.

            agree good drinks
            1. krot 9 January 2020 21: 20 New
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              The material stated that the United States allegedly fixed the signal at the frequency of activity of the Tor air defense radar, and then “recorded two flashes characteristic of the launch of anti-aircraft missiles”

              Striped into the bark! laughing They did not even see a single Iranian missile, which are more than 10 meters in length, even there were no attempts to bring them down. But the TOP rockets and even its frequencies were recorded .. laughing
              Why didn’t they block the TOR signal, and didn’t hit it with lasers? wassat
              1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 9 January 2020 21: 42 New
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                And here is the video that everyone has been waiting for so long: someone in Iran filmed rocket hit.

                https://twitter.com/narimangharib/status/1215334836937928705
                1. mamonthful 9 January 2020 22: 22 New
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                  it can be a video of anything, anytime.

                  judging by the delay in the sound of the explosion (10 seconds), the distance to the source is 3,5 km.
                  Knowing the height, you can calculate the leg of this hypotenuse and look at Google maps, there is such a building in this radius, up to specific houses to recognize.
                  1. Abbot 9 January 2020 22: 50 New
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                    with reference to Canadian intelligence

                    Wow, Canadian Intelligence! Why not Uruguayan?
                    1. businessv 10 January 2020 00: 08 New
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                      Quote: Abbot
                      Wow, Canadian Intelligence! Why not Uruguayan?

                      Near the epicenter of the main stuffing because! Tomorrow from the morning the old woman Europe will uncover - the Poles should be the first to check in! The main thing is that the mattress set the main trend, the rest (who, where and how to grunt) - details, colleague! good
                      1. Michael67 10 January 2020 01: 12 New
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                        The "show" on human charred bones will continue until the concept of "money" is higher than human life. And whoever orders this whole ball of Satan is clear to everyone. The world is skewed from anger and rage. And the parasite that sits on the body of the world and eats its blood and flesh is guilty of this. The same parasite longs for the body (resources) of Russia. And until the parasite is etched, the world will not be cured.
                      2. Michael67 10 January 2020 01: 33 New
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                        The parasite puppeteer in his interests is not just another plane, a ship, a ship will sink, explode, just wipe it off the radar ... Everything is increasing. The national debt of parasites is growing. They need a war. But war needs a reason. And here for them all means are acceptable. In Capital, Marx set out clearly.
                      3. Michael67 10 January 2020 01: 37 New
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                        Therefore, comrades, strengthen your family. Educate yourself and your offspring in the realization that sooner or later these parasitic bugs will want to get drunk on our blood. Stock up on dust and dichlorvos.
              2. prodd 9 January 2020 23: 36 New
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                Belinkat will find a binding if it is not a fake
                1. tractor driver 9 January 2020 23: 47 New
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                  This is not a fake. If you look closely, then before the explosion the flying Puten is visible, and if you listen carefully, you can hear the booming "hooray!" . It’s time to introduce new sanctions based on the data of the most powerful Canadian intelligence, which has watched everything on Twitter yes
                  1. prodd 9 January 2020 23: 51 New
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                    Belinkat the translator is the opinion of Western intelligence agencies, and they know how to work. But in the Canadian intelligence this is the emissions of the office, from where two tourists went to the spire to see
              3. KrokodilGena 11 January 2020 15: 10 New
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                Well, the fermented patriots, the best friends of the Iranian mules, crap one's pants with their ruffling, expertise and emoticons. But serious publications immediately said what was the matter, and only in the Russian Federation it was a shit to people of zombie’s heads, and the trolls on the Internet, which’s not how, it’s a setup of Americans and so on.
            2. bayard 10 January 2020 04: 55 New
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              This is an explosion on board an airplane.
              The approaching rocket is not visible before the explosion.
              But it should be! In the night sky! In the Syrian night sky, a missile striking target is clearly visible and bright.
              And here there is only an explosion in the night sky, the fall of a burning plane and an explosion on the ground.
              All .
              This is a terrorist attack.
              1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 January 2020 06: 29 New
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                Quote: bayard
                The approaching rocket is not visible before the explosion.
                On my monitor, a flying rocket is visible. Try not to watch from the phone.
                1. vadimtt 10 January 2020 07: 02 New
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                  The quality of the recording is something else. These are easy to fake with the desired bias.
                  In addition, the integrated flash brightness is rather weak for Thor. Even for an explosive rocket it is rather weak. Well, the angular speed is too small for 3.5km. It looks like MANPADS.
                  But again, the question is, "is this really a record of what and where?"
                  1. vadimtt 11 January 2020 09: 15 New
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                    In light of the fact that Iran recognized the shooting, the question remains what was shot down (and if the photo of the warhead is not fake then there is no question). Well, or the atmosphere was far from perfect. For any expert, I still came out of me. It was necessary more often at night on the road to Astrakhan to turn left in Ashuluk and admire what was happening.
                  2. KrokodilGena 12 January 2020 02: 41 New
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                    Quote: vadimtt
                    the question remains what shot down

                    Ukrainian $ experts from a group of investigators found a gun from a TOP rocket near the place where the Boeing was knocked out. Well, Iran itself has confirmed that it was a TOP.
                    Quote: vadimtt
                    For any expert, I still came out of me.

                    Since you admitted the mistake, you are clearly not a troll, just living in the Russian information space close to the Kremlin, you are inflated with all this endless chatter of the talking heads of Solovyov and the like, which leads to biased thinking and to such conclusions.
              2. krops777 10 January 2020 07: 50 New
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                On my monitor, a flying rocket is visible. Try not to watch from the phone.


                You can cook up such a level of video on your knee, to say nothing about professionals, the only question is whether Iranian Ifrit or Russian Baba Yaga flies up so that it is immediately clear against whom the sanctions will be imposed anyway the whole world will believe.
                1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 January 2020 08: 02 New
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                  So many sanctions have already been imposed to Iran that it is very difficult to do more, and it is even more difficult to figure out for what sanctions an accidentally shot down plane would be a more suitable occasion than a missile program, withdrawal from a nuclear deal or an attack on bases. Why artificially create pretexts, if there are so many of them, that come and choose any? Because these are vile mattresses and they have such a job? Russia is not threatened here at all, as it is not threatened with accusations for all those killed from the AK by chance or by chance, although it would seem that there are opportunities.

                  Why people are so reluctant to use the brain, I just do not understand.
                2. orionvitt 10 January 2020 11: 39 New
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                  Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                  Why artificially create pretexts, if there are so many of them, that come and choose any?

                  Firstly, an extra reason will never hurt. And secondly, new sanctions, it is more convenient to introduce on new occasions.
                  Because these are vile mattresses and they have such a job?
                  Prove that this is not so. At least one argument in favor of the "peace-loving US policy." The incident with the Malaysian Boeing is enough for me to understand where the photographer’s ears grow from in such cases. Not to mention the forgotten story with the "Korean". There’s zero evidence, but I don’t want sanctions.
                3. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 January 2020 11: 46 New
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                  Quote: orionvitt
                  Prove that this is not so.
                  This is a logical error, which is called https://ru.rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ignorance_argument

                  Quote: orionvitt
                  There’s zero evidence, but I don’t want sanctions
                  For the Malaysian Boeing has not been introduced a single sanction. There were for Ukraine, for Skripals, for breaking the correspondence of the Democratic Party, for the Malaysian Boeing - no.
                4. orionvitt 10 January 2020 11: 53 New
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                  Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                  for Malaysian Boeing - no

                  The Malaysian Boeing in one clip with the rest of the "sins of Russia", then blamed her. By the way, as there is no evidence either on the "case" of Skripal, nor on hacking the servers of the Democratic Party .. And as for the Crimea, it was not the "evil intent of Russia", but the logical outcome of the Maidan in Ukraine. But sanctions vparivayut for any reason. now already on SP-2.
                5. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 January 2020 12: 02 New
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                  For all sanctions it is indicated what they are for and against what they are. And even though they are being “laced for any reason," specifically for the Malaysian Boeing, they have not been laced at the moment.
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  • seregatara1969 10 January 2020 09: 21 New
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    like the script is already very recognizable and zazhezhnen to holes
  • mavrus 9 January 2020 22: 30 New
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    Yes, the sixth year, "investigating" the Malaysian Boeing, they hold everyone for rams and nothing rolls.
    1. Michael67 10 January 2020 01: 45 New
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      People are not all "sheep." Media owners and media owners can consider whatever they want. You personally "ride"?
  • VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 9 January 2020 23: 55 New
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    The whole world holds the United States for fools. What a man himself is, and so he sees others.
  • atalef 10 January 2020 00: 01 New
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    Quote: Gray Brother
    I think that some people around hold for fools.

    looking kuto and whom.
    Why doesn’t Iran want to fetch either black boxes or allow anyone else to investigate?
    1. businessv 10 January 2020 00: 13 New
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      Quote: atalef
      Why doesn’t Iran want to fetch either black boxes or allow anyone else to investigate?

      Because before the investigation of the fall of the Boeing in an independent one, it was not Malaysia, but "someone else" who was allowed, and so what ?!
      1. mamonthful 10 January 2020 01: 25 New
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        Whom, Strelkova, who wrote in the first half hour "Hurray was shot down by an ukrov transport carrier"? )
        1. mikh-korsakov 10 January 2020 04: 32 New
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          Artyom! He tweeted that they shot down the "ukrovsky transporter" does not mean that he owned reliable information. What you can’t write from drunken eyes. Then Trump should have been sent for a long time, you yourself know where. And he writes and writes everything.
          1. mamonthful 10 January 2020 17: 12 New
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            he knew very well that the beech was dragged just to that place, and even a tweet about it was "hinting"
      2. atalef 10 January 2020 07: 19 New
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        Quote: businessv
        Quote: atalef
        Why doesn’t Iran want to fetch either black boxes or allow anyone else to investigate?

        Because before the investigation of the fall of the Boeing in an independent one, it was not Malaysia, but "someone else" who was allowed, and so what ?!

        She delegated her powers - all according to ICAO rules.
        According to ICAO rules, the investigation is conducted - the country the owner of the aircraft and the country over which the incident occurred - each of the parties has the right to delegate its authority to any other country.
        1. businessv 10 January 2020 09: 47 New
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          Quote: atalef
          She delegated her powers - all according to ICAO rules.

          And who is arguing, a colleague ?! Alexander, you asked WHY he does not admit to the investigation. Because he fears the bias of the investigation. Today we have already invited mattresses and mattress covers.
      3. atalef 10 January 2020 18: 08 New
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        Quote: businessv
        Because before the investigation of the fall of the Boeing in an independent one, it was not Malaysia, but "someone else" who was allowed, and so what ?!

        No because - there are clear rules / ICAO.
        Kiev delegated its authority to the Netherlands, Malaysia kept itself.
        What is the problem ?
    2. ochakow703 10 January 2020 04: 42 New
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      Yes, because the murder of one “boyfriend” has already been dragged into gaylands, and it will be dragged, let me only steer it.
    3. bayard 10 January 2020 14: 11 New
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      Quote: atalef
      Why doesn’t Iran want to fetch either black boxes or allow anyone else to investigate?

      Does not trust.
      And this is logical, logical and reasonable. As an example, Malaysian Boeing and its investigation by the Dutch. Therefore, the decision - to conduct an investigation in Iran with the admission to it (!) Of international experts is the only true one.
      And why this bloody provocation is just clear - in October the UN arms embargo for Iran expires. Neither Russia nor China will allow it to be extended. And then, lo and behold, the plane of an absolute US puppet crashes near the capital of Iran ... It’s very clumsy and in a hurry, it’s sloppy, but when it stopped - did it fly over the Donbass with a Boeing?
      And why is the lifting of the embargo so terrible? Because Iran will be able to renew its fleet of military aircraft and, in combination with the presence of a huge number of ballistic and cruise missiles, as well as quite modern air defense, will become the leading military-political force in the region.
      Well, you understand that better than me.
  • 210ox 10 January 2020 01: 47 New
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    Those around are who? Tribalts with European hyenas and LGBT in other countries? They are not held for, they are.
  • YOUR 10 January 2020 03: 51 New
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    These are the current media. Need a sensation with blood. So they arrange dances on the bones.
    as if the cause of the disaster was the activity of the Iranian air defense complex

    Those who served in the ZRV think I laughed heartily at this phrase.
    Excited by the air defense system, the poor fellow rushes about, sighs, cannot sleep, nervously launches rockets in different directions.
    How was this activity determined and what does it mean?
    1. YOUR 10 January 2020 04: 17 New
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      A news item from news.mail entitled "The New York Times published a video of a missile entering a Ukrainian Boeing." Instead of the video, the same photos.

      According to The New York Times, the video shows that an Iranian missile hit a plane over Paranda, not far from Tehran Airport. A small explosion occurred when the rocket hit the plane, but it did not explode and continued to fly for several minutes and turned back toward the airport. The plane flew toward the airport on fire before it exploded and crashed, the newspaper said, citing other videos of what had happened.


      The idiocy of the highest brand. The missile hit the plane and there was a small explosion, and then it gets banged. The concept of conscience in the pursuit of rating is completely absent
  • Tavi 9 January 2020 21: 33 New
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    On the second point, FIG knows where the photo came from. 2m from a fall, 100km, or from an altogether altogether ... But a doshirak was added for a still life ... Ah, the Rudders didn’t wrinkle at all when they fell.
    1. mamonthful 9 January 2020 22: 24 New
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      both fell and wrinkled. The lower stabilizer is wrinkled.
      1. ProkletyiPirat 10 January 2020 00: 47 New
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        Quote: mamonthful
        both fell and wrinkled. The lower stabilizer is wrinkled.

        This is not a "bottom stabilizer" this is the front tail unit! that is, it’s the GOS ZR, but there was just a warhead behind it, that is, after the detonation of the warhead, the GOS detached and it fell and fell into the photo. The GOS itself is intact because in ZR the main damage is caused by fragments, not explosives.
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    2. atalef 10 January 2020 00: 02 New
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      Quote: Tavi
      Ah, the Ruleys didn’t get wrinkled at the fall.

      Well, of course, in Iran, agents of influence immediately dragged the debris of the TOPs stored under each pillow
  • private person 9 January 2020 22: 16 New
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    This is the same SAM "BUK M1" that was in Ukraine. Video of evidence is about to come out, it remains to glue the film.
  • Chaldon48 10 January 2020 04: 13 New
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    If the plane was within the reach of the air defense system, then traces should remain, intelligence from different countries visited it, and if they had found something, the Western media would have raised a howl.
  • Pedrodepackes 11 January 2020 14: 15 New
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    The rotten one is real.

    Meanwhile, it became known that a specific person in Iran claimed responsibility for the strike on the Boeing 737. This is the commander of the aerospace forces of the IRGC Amir Ali Hajizade.
    His statement is quoted by Tasnim, an Iranian information service:
    In this situation, I personally take responsibility for the fact that the Ukrainian passenger plane was unintentionally shot down in our airspace.
    ischo adin iksperd-guru negative
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  • Vol4ara 9 January 2020 21: 25 New
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    Quote: Gray Brother
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    Well, here are the first stuffing!

    This is rotten yesterday.
    Even the photo of the proof is real)))

    At the top of the photo you can see the container from under the doshik.

    Chinese footprint
    1. Simple 10 January 2020 00: 19 New
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      The head fell from a height of two km.
      The question is, how much should it weigh in order to fall so softly?
  • Flooding 9 January 2020 21: 38 New
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    In one of the latest Bellingcat tweets (google translation)
    These photos are incredibly frustrating, they are potentially extremely important, but it’s almost impossible to check their location, because the angle of the camera is too large to capture details needed in the background (for example, buildings), we need its geolocation.

    Source: https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1215227238595121152?s=20
  • Barmaleyka 9 January 2020 21: 39 New
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    Quote: Gray Brother
    This is rotten yesterday.

    you would think that the fairy tale about buckwheat porridge of a cat and violins is not rotten, but sat down and asked for supplements
  • aries2200 10 January 2020 02: 42 New
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    before flying into the baggage, a chip was put .............
  • Pedrodepackes 11 January 2020 14: 13 New
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    Quote: Gray Brother
    This is rotten yesterday.

    Meanwhile, it became known that a specific person in Iran claimed responsibility for the strike on the Boeing 737. This is the commander of the aerospace forces of the IRGC Amir Ali Hajizade.
    His statement is quoted by Tasnim, an Iranian information service:
    In this situation, I personally take responsibility for the fact that the Ukrainian passenger plane was unintentionally shot down in our airspace.

    ygsperd, damn it! fool
  • marshes 9 January 2020 20: 30 New
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    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    Well, here are the first stuffing!

    Recently I read that this is the action of MANPADS, they say, a conserved cell.
    overheating, I hope something black boxes say.
    and here in the morning the news that in Israel at the 737 broiler at take-off, the engine caught fire, they safely returned and sat down.
    It is felt that it’s time for civilian aircraft to equip warning systems for attacking air defense systems. It is possible to protect them. The main thing is that it would be written in boxes.
    1. Aleksandr21 9 January 2020 21: 35 New
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      Quote: marshes

      Recently I read that this is the action of MANPADS, they say, a conserved cell.
      overheating, I hope something black boxes say.
      and here in the morning the news that in Israel at the 737 broiler at take-off, the engine caught fire, they safely returned and sat down.
      It is felt that it’s time for civilian aircraft to equip warning systems for attacking air defense systems. It is possible to protect them. The main thing is that it would be written in boxes.


      There may be a problem with the boxes ...

      Both flight recorders of a Ukrainian passenger plane crashed near Tehran were damaged, said the head of the Iranian Civil Aviation Organization Ali Abedzadeh, referring to preliminary data from the investigation.

      “Flight recorders are at the disposal of the disaster investigation team. Both black boxes were damaged in a crash and fire, ”Tasnim quoted him as saying, TASS reports.

      Abedzadeh added that "the memory units were preserved in the devices, but physical damage is noticeable on them." He also denied that black boxes would be handed over to a third country for decryption.

      “The links to my alleged words that black boxes will be sent abroad were the journalist’s mistake,” Abedzade said.
      1. marshes 9 January 2020 21: 38 New
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        Quote: Aleksandr21
        There may be a problem with the boxes ...

        Here are fools, they can still add oil to the fire for conspiracy theorists.
      2. Gray brother 9 January 2020 21: 45 New
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        Quote: Aleksandr21
        There may be a problem with the boxes ...

        Yes, they are always damaged, in such cases.
    2. Simple 10 January 2020 00: 27 New
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      In black boxes, a lot of things should be logged from the moment the engine is started until it stops.
  • Avior 9 January 2020 20: 38 New
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    From different sides and
    “A few hours ago, the Western press, citing representatives of Canadian intelligence, came out with materials,” they discussed
    Someone, without identifying himself, called several media and said that the representative of the intelligence of Canada, so they printed.
    In fact, while there is no inspection of the wreckage and black boxes have not been read about the versions, one can speak only theoretically, the field for fantasies is large, especially if the proof is “anonymous sources”
    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 9 January 2020 20: 58 New
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      Of leaks from Canadian intelligence and American intelligence, the US, at least, can be based on data from SBIRS satellites, which record thermal flashes.

      By the way, Trump (to whom intelligence conducts briefings) has already stated that he does not believe in the version of the technical malfunction, that is, the data from the newswire sources are actually confirmed. This is exactly what American intelligence believes.

      https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/7489519
      1. Avior 9 January 2020 21: 01 New
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        Only versions from anonymous sources in Canadian and American intelligence are different
        Anonymous American - the launch of two missiles, Canadian - technical malfunction.
        The latter, by the way, is especially surprising - what kind of satellite can this be considered?
        1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 9 January 2020 21: 04 New
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          Canadians generally hardly used any kind of satellite data if the leak in Reuters actually reflects what they think there.
        2. mamonthful 9 January 2020 22: 44 New
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          it seems that each Boeing engine has its own telemetry unit and constantly sends data. Not surprising for a device worth 10+ million dollars, on which people's lives and the reputation of companies depend.
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          SBIRS allows Americans to recognize the point of the flare of a rocket over almost the entire ball in 20-30 seconds.
        4. Simple 10 January 2020 00: 33 New
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          Quote: Avior
          The latter, by the way, is especially surprising - what kind of satellite can this be considered?


          So the engines give out service data or in case of emergency to the manufacturer.
      2. tihonmarine 9 January 2020 21: 33 New
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        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
        By the way, Trump (to whom intelligence conducts briefings) has already stated that he does not believe in the version of the technical malfunction,

        Well, if Trump said, then it can already be taken for granted. He is the most competent expert in the USA. And now “a flaw from the ruble and above” will go for a walk! All the world will raise a howl, like a wolf howling at the moon. Assigned responsible and even those who provided them with air defense systems. Well, at least they came up with something a little newer, otherwise everything is woven the same on a hackneyed mare.
      3. Ramzaj99 9 January 2020 22: 40 New
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        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
        Based on data from SBIRS satellites that detect thermal flashes.

        What are they fixing there ??)))
        They didn’t notice the attack on their bases with crap the size of a Point-y, but they detected the launch of Thor rockets))) Isn’t it funny ??))
        1. mamonthful 9 January 2020 22: 45 New
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          And who told you they did not see?

          There were no victims - there was a warning about the attack, so the facts say the opposite, they saw everything.
          1. Ramzaj99 9 January 2020 22: 53 New
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            Quote: mamonthful
            And who told you they did not see?

            There were no victims - there was a warning about the attack, so the facts say the opposite, they saw everything.

            Yes, only full believe in this.
            They knew about the blow, they were practically officially informed, therefore they hid in advance.
            If they saw the launches, then why, having the entire range of US air defense in the region, they could not bring down any targets ???
            Over the Khmeimi, drones the size of a dove are knocked down, and here is such an obser.
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              no such complexes? why do they need them in Iraq? Shoot down drones - these are not ballistic missiles
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                no such complexes? why do they need them in Iraq? Shoot down drones - these are not ballistic missiles

                Do you think Americans are idiots ?? In principle, it is commendable.
                Only here is a small question.
                Why Russia secured its air base with air defense systems. And the Americans who have been in conflict with Iran for 20 years and promise them a war have not secured their nearest airbase? Are they mentally retarded? I doubt it. Politicians can be idiots, the military are the same everywhere.
                They have everything there! But as it turned out, no shit is working.
                About the satellites that see everything.
                The Americans have repeatedly stated that they have evidence about the downed Boeing over the Donbass. So what could be easier? Present and drown Russia ?! But no. Only words, because they don’t have a damn! Only words words words .......
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                  Russians have the ONLY base on which EVERYTHING is concentrated - from headquarters to warehouses. Americans in Iraq have hundreds of bases. Plus for Russia, the “fight against terrorists” is just an excuse to get hold of a base, it is there forever. And then the Americans against ISIS why put patriots, hello?
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                    Americans have hundreds of bases in Iraq

                    I'm finishing it all.
                    And you to the doctor, look for a hundred air bases in Iraq .......
                    1. mamonthful 10 January 2020 17: 19 New
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                      you can search yourself
                      https://www.strava.com/heatmap#7.14/64.73015/33.46156/hot/all
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          They didn’t notice a blow to their bases with the size of crap the size of Point-u
          Yes, yes, and therefore, at the time of the strike, everyone remained seated in their places, and therefore everyone died from a missile strike.

          Wait a minute ...
    2. Liam 9 January 2020 21: 12 New
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      versions can only speak theoretically

      Certainly, but for some conclusions and public information is enough.
      For example, when a plane crashes for technical reasons, other airlines do not change flight routes as in this case.
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        Iranians will publish the record of black boxes or will it turn out that they are lost / damaged, etc.?
        1. Liam 9 January 2020 23: 14 New
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          Unveil. Where will they go. The truth is there is unlikely that there will be something important. Answers to questions in the wreckage and in the corpses of passengers
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          Yeah, they’ll give it to the rotten Westerners, so that later on, those who wrote fables with the “Malaysian Boeing”.
      2. dauria 9 January 2020 23: 30 New
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        For example, when a plane crashes for technical reasons, other airlines do not change flight routes as in this case.

        Spit on the version, they will be a bucket and a cart until all the "reporters" and "experts" cut down the dough on this.
        Here is the most amazing thing. The Americans strike, then their president officially talks about targets on the territory of Iran, then a missile response - and the world flies as if nothing had happened, all sorts of international aviation organizations that monitor every piece of paper and security do not care. Well, lads fly, people carry, earn money ... who cares. The world is completely dumbfounded.
      3. ultra 10 January 2020 00: 27 New
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        -other airlines do not change flight routes as in this case.

        Actually, they didn’t change for this reason.
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          And for what?
          Quote: ultra
          Quote: Liam
          -other airlines do not change flight routes as in this case.

          Actually, they didn’t change for this reason.
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            And guess three times. wassat
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        how many trolls came running
    3. Mityay65 9 January 2020 23: 46 New
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      Quote: Avior
      In fact, while there is no inspection of the wreckage and black boxes have not been read about the versions, one can speak only theoretically, the field for fantasies is large, especially if the proof is “anonymous sources”

      This is a statement by the prime minister. This is serious. Trudeau, though slightly poked, is still the Canadians' boss.
      Trudeau said there is intelligence that Iran shot down a Boeing
  • NKT
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    Yes, let's go .....

    CBS News quoting US intelligence said a satellite detected infrared "blips" of two missile launches, followed by another blip of an explosion.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51055219
  • figwam 9 January 2020 20: 46 New
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    People in Israel were lucky yesterday, the Boeing 737 engine caught fire on the ground, all passengers were evacuated and no one was injured.
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      And where is the engine burning? This is a torch, an excess of fuel in the combustion chamber or during the development of surging.
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        Quote: NKT
        or with the development of surge.

        That's right, and surging can lead to the destruction and fire of the engine.
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          May result. Or maybe not. It is not the occurrence of surge that is dangerous, but the cause and duration of operation in this mode. That is why it is strictly forbidden to turn the engine off again due to surging.
          Our deputy commander of the AO flew to Rostov, for some reason they didn’t turn on the PIC at the train, as a result of which the icing began. including VNA. After triggering, the RIO POS was turned on, but as a result, thawed ice from the VNA got into the middle engine and as a result they had a surge. True, they sat on two engines calmly, albeit without reverse: nevertheless, in Rostov the strip was long.
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      Quote: figvam
      Yesterday in Israel, people were lucky, the Boeing 737 engine caught fire on the ground,

      Buy "Airbus")))
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      yes it's surging like.
      So the jet engine is always "on")
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        Quote: mamonthful
        So the jet engine is always "on")

        You can immediately see the "major" specialist. wassat
  • Thrifty 9 January 2020 20: 57 New
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    Familiar scenario! The Iranians really needed, and without notice, to smash the American military bases in Syria and Iraq to shreds of rockets! Now the United States will impose sanctions against our entire defense industry, against Iran totally, they will sell our bureaucrats to extend sanctions against Iran, and to extend the arms embargo! And the whole point is that our ranks will begin to sculpt the hunchbacked one, that the arms embargo against Iran is in Russia's favor!
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      Quote: Thrifty
      Familiar scenario! The Iranians really needed, and without notice, to smash the American military bases in Syria and Iraq to shreds of rockets! Now the United States will impose sanctions against our entire defense industry, against Iran totally, they will sell our bureaucrats to extend sanctions against Iran, and to extend the arms embargo! And the whole point is that our ranks will begin to sculpt the hunchbacked one, that the arms embargo against Iran is in Russia's favor!

      Not the ranks :)) Famous TV presenters will begin to “sculpt”, both names on “C” begin.
    2. Pytnik 9 January 2020 21: 09 New
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      Our military-industrial complex will not give up money, otherwise China will occupy this niche, and judging by the state of the Iranian air force, a "fight" is planned between Su 30 CM and J-10
    3. Nikitich 9 January 2020 21: 09 New
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      The Iranians really needed, and without notice, to smash the American military bases in Syria and Iraq to shreds of rockets!

      It’s easy to offer this while sitting on a sofa in a T-shirt ...
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      If they really hit and not funny, then they would be hit as it should
  • knn54 9 January 2020 20: 58 New
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    Well, how could it be without a “Russian trace”
    1. New Year day 9 January 2020 22: 31 New
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      Well, how could it be without a “Russian trace”

      offend ...
      "The aircraft is believed to have been struck by a Russia-built Tor-M1 surface-to-air missile system, known to NATO as Gauntlet, the three officials told Newsweek." = @ The plane is believed to have been hit Russian The Tor-M1 anti-aircraft missile system, known to NATO as the Gauntlet, was reported by three Newsweek @ officials.
      https://www.newsweek.com/iranians-shot-down-ukraine-flight-mistake-sources-1481313
      1. Avior 9 January 2020 23: 19 New
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        A little translation you have is not entirely accurate
        “Russia-built” is more likely not “Russian”, but “Russian-made”
        hi
        1. New Year day 10 January 2020 07: 09 New
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          Quote: Avior
          A little translation you have is not entirely accurate
          “Russia-built” is more likely not “Russian”, but “Russian-made”

          Thank you! hi The meaning is unchanged nonetheless
      2. sgapich 9 January 2020 23: 27 New
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        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: knn54
        Well, how could it be without a “Russian trace”

        offend ...
        "The aircraft is believed to have been struck by a Russia-built Tor-M1 surface-to-air missile system, known to NATO as Gauntlet, the three officials told Newsweek." = @ The plane is believed to have been hit Russian The Tor-M1 anti-aircraft missile system, known to NATO as the Gauntlet, was reported by three Newsweek @ officials.
        https://www.newsweek.com/iranians-shot-down-ukraine-flight-mistake-sources-1481313

        Well, actually, "Russia-built" is still not translated "Russian", a "Russian built". The meaning is a little different. hi
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        Russian production
  • The leader of the Redskins 9 January 2020 21: 01 New
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    And in Ukraine, the day of mourning. People all over the country light candles, lay out the contours of an airplane or take off from them. Near the UIA office there are flowers and tears, tears, tears ...
    1. marshes 9 January 2020 21: 20 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      And in Ukraine, the day of mourning. People all over the country light candles, lay out the contours of an airplane or take off from them. Near the UIA office there are flowers and tears, tears, tears ...

      In Russia, I read the same to the Ukrainian Embassy flowers brought.
      I don’t remember something. In Ukraine or Russia, flowers were brought to the Kazakhstani embassy when planes crashed in our country. The early ones brought us.
      1. Avior 9 January 2020 21: 38 New
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        In Ukraine, the Russian Embassy is also carried during the tragedy
        Residents of Kiev mourn over the crash of the Russian Sukhoi Superjet 100 plane at Sheremetyevo and bring flowers and lamps in memory of the victims of the tragedy to the Russian embassy. This was reported to a TASS correspondent on Tuesday at the Russian diplomatic mission.

        "Citizens carry flowers to the embassy building, as well as lamps and notes with words of sorrow," the embassy’s press service noted.

        But to the Kazakh - I do not remember this.
        Apparently, there is no such proximity of people. All Takirus and Ukrainians mixed more with each other than with the Kazakhs.
    2. New Year day 9 January 2020 22: 32 New
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      People all over the country light candles, lay out the contours of an airplane or take off from them. Near the UIA office there are flowers and tears, tears, tears ..

      people have sorrow, and politicians profit from it
  • Guru 9 January 2020 21: 06 New
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    The throw-in was made by the Sumerians, and these were picked up with the wording "From reliable sources" wink
  • 4ekist 9 January 2020 22: 04 New
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    Why didn’t they say that it was a Buk from Kursk?
    1. prodd 9 January 2020 23: 43 New
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      A beech from Kursk was shot down by a Malaysian Boeing, Tor from Tehran was a Ukrainian Boeing. A Syrian c200 Russian il20. It's not hard to remember. Russian air defense systems are harsh.
      1. Pavel57 10 January 2020 01: 15 New
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        Ukrainian S-200 shot down the Tu-154.
        1. Alex_You 10 January 2020 05: 21 New
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          Well, Ukraine did not admit that it shot down this plane.
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            Not officially recognized, but paid compensation.
  • Anatoly 288 9 January 2020 22: 49 New
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    Khokhlov is not lucky, then their Russian missile in the Donbass knocks down, and now in Iran ... Guidance or love?
    1. albert 9 January 2020 23: 50 New
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      Provocation. Reminds a story with two Korean Boeing and air defense of the USSR.
      1. K-612-O 10 January 2020 00: 32 New
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        One Korean Boeing, who was walking with the transponder turned off, without request violated the USSR border, which it was fraught to break with such a macar.
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          One Korean Boeing ...
          Was 707 in 1978 in Karelia! So it was two weird korean boeing ...
  • Terenin 9 January 2020 23: 56 New
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    Well, here are the first stuffing!

    And what can be said about the reason before the end of the investigation? belay
    Well, then I have evidence that this "one hundred pounds" was a Boeing collision with an American or Canadian drone.
    And if these countries, and their litter, begin to hysteria, according to the worked out scheme, then it is so. yes
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    This is just the beginning. Ukraine and Canada are eager to conduct their investigation. And the United States requested black boxes. Iran should not let anyone in the American company and give nothing. Here the Netherlands removed Russia from the investigation of the plane shot down by Khokhlami and the American allies believe that this is normal.
  • Pedrodepackes 11 January 2020 14: 12 New
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    Meanwhile, it became known that a specific person in Iran claimed responsibility for the strike on the Boeing 737. This is the commander of the aerospace forces of the IRGC Amir Ali Hajizade.
    His statement is quoted by Tasnim, an Iranian information service:
    In this situation, I personally take responsibility for the fact that the Ukrainian passenger plane was unintentionally shot down in our airspace.

    has died! fool
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    The material stated that the United States allegedly recorded a signal at the frequency of activity of the Tor air defense radar, and then "recorded two flashes characteristic of the launch of anti-aircraft missiles."

    Have flashes from the detonation of these missiles been recorded? Yes? No? Why are they all so good? They see something, they don’t see something. It is called - "What we want, then we see!"
  • Doliva63 9 January 2020 20: 19 New
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    Something long thought this time. It’s strange.
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      Do not have time to agree
      1. hydrox 9 January 2020 20: 28 New
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        They just understand that there is no reason for such information, therefore there will be no evidence, especially since it is impossible to detect such a small flash from a satellite if you do not expect it to appear at a point with known coordinates at a certain point in time.
        I do not think that anything serious and evidence-based can be woven on this basis.
  • lwxx 9 January 2020 20: 19 New
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    Well, of course . Everyone is to blame, not Boeing. They will be excused, until the last, the shares have already fallen by 2%.
  • helmi8 9 January 2020 20: 24 New
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    Passenger plane of the Ukrainian airline UIA, presumably (possibly), was shot down by an anti-aircraft missile of the Iranian complex "Tor", produced in Russia. The rocket, apparently, was released by accident.

    And again, "Hiley Likely" in the first place ... And it turns out like in that joke ... "spoons were found, but the sediment remained ..."
  • Reserve buildbat 9 January 2020 20: 24 New
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    Oh how! Accidentally! 2 rockets! laughing
    However, how do little magazines know how to launch a missile launcher. They believe that there is enough to strike a match near the nozzle - and the rocket will set off "to prevent others from flying."
    1. Svarog51 9 January 2020 21: 02 New
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      Ivan hi What is the “iron dome” on Avva? Where's the bandana doing? Hat - I repent, I knocked out to change, but is that? Ize must complain. The sheen of such a bald head and 20 rockets will scare off. lol good drinks Izyu saw, and where did the evil partisan go? You do not know?
      1. Reserve buildbat 9 January 2020 21: 07 New
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        Hello, Sergey! hi Partisan did not see anything, he would have to call him. A bandana should be removed in the room))) Yes, and it’s inconvenient to put on headphones on it, and without them in the room only PM is more or less tolerated. Glock and Saiga-9 hit hard on the ears laughing drinks
        1. Svarog51 9 January 2020 21: 15 New
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          Thanks, reassured. Well, at least not “Needle” or “Willow”. Headphones on a bandana do not fit? The first time I've heard. Doesn't she look like fur? recourse
          1. Reserve buildbat 9 January 2020 21: 18 New
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            Headphones come in laughing It’s just a bandana between the earpiece and the ear. Reduces effect sad
            Especially in the photo I listen to the instruction that fingers should not be poked in the barrel, bullets should not be nibbled, and barrel should not be waved laughing
            1. Svarog51 9 January 2020 21: 24 New
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              Um! What kind of headphones? If connected to a microphone with an amplifier, then the bandana will interfere. If those that muffle the sound - it is not superfluous at all. yes
              The main thing is not to breathe on the seeker, otherwise it will work for you, it is cooled by a specialist so that it "sees" the full launch range. wink
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                Headphones are good. Damper wink They are muffled, and it’s good, but they almost do not interfere with talking. And there’s someone to talk to))) Instructor from Shot laughing
                And on GOS, you can breathe only for wiping with a thin layer of alcohol. This is even me, not a rocket launcher, I know!
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                  I need headphones for other purposes - to listen to music. Muffle the fire - enough with an ear plug.
                  GOS with a thin layer to wipe before charging, then you can not. What if she likes it? Do not get away from the "kiss". laughing
  • Chingachguk 9 January 2020 20: 27 New
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    Who would doubt ...... In the course of the "Chapel" also destroyed with our help ..... " soldier
    1. Svarog51 9 January 2020 21: 05 New
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      "No, that was before us in the 14th century." (with)
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        drinks thank God!
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          Not properly! am Glory to Manitou! wink good drinks
  • carstorm 11 9 January 2020 20: 31 New
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    how has the question been raised recently in VO? Will the media start the third world war? these are the balabolas that will start when they start repeating this garbage on them on a hype. and they won’t answer ... and all sorts of reposts are already being done on social networks ...
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      Quote: carstorm 11
      how has the question been raised recently in VO? Will the media start the third world war? these are the balabolas that will start when they start repeating this garbage on them on a hype. and they won’t answer ... and all sorts of reposts are already being done on social networks ...

      What does the media have to do with it? They only give paid material. And then - wrapping up and heating up. The war begins those who pay. Not a single journalist has started a single war on his own. Well, unless with a green serpent laughing
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        with all) firstly they replicate this. which means they should at least check. people still paid someone or just a journalist that would attract attention to themselves. not just the media called the fourth power.
  • yfast 9 January 2020 20: 33 New
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    Gently so "made in Russia." Also, launch operators will be called "from". Then telephone conversations of some “Lolek” with “Bolek” will be published.
    1. kokaINru 9 January 2020 21: 59 New
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      And the photo from the Russian Federation calculation with the technique on the trawl brought.
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      So, it seems like the Ukrainians said that Russia did it to wage war and raise oil prices
  • Observer2014 9 January 2020 20: 35 New
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    It’s easy to establish whether the plane was shot down or not. The wreckage will literally be cut by fragments of a rocket.
    This version is somehow not very. The meaning of Iran to unlock the wreckage of the aircraft will still have to be presented.
    1. Romka 9 January 2020 20: 42 New
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      Now neither side wants to torpedo events, it seems like they got excited, calmed down and that's enough. Therefore, even if it was a rocket, no one would raise a cry. Sami woke up that everything can go far.
      1. cniza 9 January 2020 20: 57 New
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        It’s easy to install. Was the plane shot down


        Installing is easy, but who needs it? ...
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        So be it.
    2. Mityay65 9 January 2020 20: 46 New
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      The wreckage will literally be cut by fragments of a rocket.

      The question is whose rocket it is. It could very well be an air-to-air missile from a drone.
      That is, we have 2 real options, both talk about external influences. The fact that this is a unique coincidence and malfunction of the aircraft, which led to the disaster, occurred exactly 3 hours after the Iran strike, I think it should be discarded.
      1. Observer2014 9 January 2020 20: 55 New
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        Any experts in flight will determine the type and even brand of a rocket if one is detected. Each rocket has its own means of destruction. And even if the plane was shot down by an air-to-air missile, this is not a problem. Everyone understands this. And in Iran too.
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          Any experts in flight will determine the type and even brand of a rocket if one is detected

          Of course. But only if the rocket and weapons are not prepared in advance.
          Experts other than Iranians are Canadians and ... incredible! ... again, our brothers bought with giblets ancient ukry? The fact that the Ukrainian plane is also most likely not accidental.
          1. Vol4ara 9 January 2020 21: 33 New
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            Quote: Mityai65
            Quote: Observer2014
            Any experts in flight will determine the type and even brand of a rocket if one is detected

            Experts other than Iranians are Canadians and ... incredible! ... again, our brothers bought with giblets ancient ukry

            They say from the Donbass the rocket flew in, grandfathers then
      2. Svarog51 9 January 2020 21: 10 New
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        The height of 2,4 km - and could use MANPADS, and then, as it turns out. But this IMHO - does not apply to reality. Dmitry hi Do not think that I am voicing any official information, these are purely my assumptions, not substantiated. So, the version from the amateur.
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          The only MANPADS that will reach a height of 2,4 km is the Russian MANPADS "VERBA", EMNIP. It is secret, lies in warehouses, not in the troops.
          And it is very difficult to organize an ambush from MANPADS along the line of the liner.
          And the big risk is that the anti-aircraft gunners will be caught and they will sing like canaries in front of the cameras.
          But the stealth drifting drone seems to me easier and more reliable.
          1. Vol4ara 9 January 2020 21: 35 New
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            Quote: Mityai65
            The only MANPADS that will reach a height of 2,4 km is the Russian MANPADS "VERBA", EMNIP. It is secret, lies in warehouses, not in the troops.
            And it is very difficult to organize an ambush from MANPADS along the line of the liner.
            And the big risk is that the anti-aircraft gunners will be caught and they will sing like canaries in front of the cameras.
            But the stealth drifting drone seems to me easier and more reliable.

            What's so hard? The route and altitude are known. Sit on the hill smoking, wait, look at the clock
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              Sit on the hill, wait, look at the clock

              We must prepare anti-aircraft gunners. It is necessary to arrange for them to communicate with the observer (long-range guidance), since regular means are not available. It is necessary to transfer MANPADS across the border.
              The start of MANPADS will be immediately fixed and unmask a group of anti-aircraft gunners. MANPADS flight will be removed on smartphones, they will fix air defense systems.
              And most importantly, these guys will then be caught and clamped Faberge in a vice ...
              It is very difficult and dangerous - it is complicity in international terrorism against a neutral airliner.
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                Quote: Mityai65
                Quote: Vol4ara
                Sit on the hill, wait, look at the clock

                We must prepare anti-aircraft gunners. It is necessary to arrange for them to communicate with the observer (long-range guidance), since regular means are not available. It is necessary to transfer MANPADS across the border.
                The start of MANPADS will be immediately fixed and unmask a group of anti-aircraft gunners. MANPADS flight will be removed on smartphones, they will fix air defense systems.
                And most importantly, these guys will then be caught and clamped Faberge in a vice ...
                It is very difficult and dangerous - it is complicity in international terrorism against a neutral airliner.

                It is really very difficult to aim the gun at the plane in the night sky, cool the matrix, make sure that there is a capture and press the start, the calculation must be long and painstaking, about 30 minutes, taking into account that the airliner is an extremely complex subsonic target with a signature like 10 minutes of fighter 29. Yes, and communication is of course an ambush, while you pull the wires from the observer at the airport to the launch point, you will get the whole deal.
                Well, yes, unmasking yes, a falling plane that looked like a distant burning small light took off a whole 1 smartphone, a 1m rocket torch will remove the whole city for sure and also from space
                1. Mityay65 9 January 2020 22: 11 New
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                  Aim the light of an airplane in the night sky

                  The capital's busy airport. From which flight and charter flights fly. It is very easy to make mistakes in the dark. An observer is needed at the airport, at least. And a tablet player with a connection.
                  Quote: Vol4ara
                  and the connection is of course an ambush

                  Wireless connection. The conversation is likely to be recorded and recorded. Then this conversation, pointing at the aircraft, will be presented in court as evidence.
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                  1m rocket torch will remove the whole city for sure and even from space

                  Yes, and then the whole area will catch lads - anti-aircraft gunners lol
                2. artifact 9 January 2020 23: 46 New
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                  a burning little light took off a whole 1 smartphone

                  what's interesting here:
                  1) directed the camera exactly at that moment and to the place where it was hit.
                  2) how would an ordinary random witness behave? ahhh ... ohhh ... a bunch of other emotions and probably continued to shoot. here as if cold-blooded purposeful event fixation.
          2. Svarog51 9 January 2020 21: 46 New
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            “Stinger” seemed to get up to 3 km in height, new ones are taken even higher. And there is a flight schedule at the airport. The course to determine on take-off is not such a problem. That's right, Alexander Vol4ara writes, sit on a hill and wait. I don’t exclude a drone, maybe you’re right. But while this is just speculation, there is no data. And yours, Dmitry, is no less likely than mine. I hope that we are both mistaken, and there was no tarrat. In any case, condolences to the relatives of the victims, sincere.
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              "Stinger" seemed to get up to 3 km in height

              So you need to use MANPADS not your own production, but the enemy? You will need to get MANPADS or Russian or Chinese.
              And then, what do you prove with this? That the Persians for some reason in the area of ​​the capital's airport, on takeoff, fired from MANPADS? In an area where probably one of the strongest air defense in the world?
              This is very strange to say the least. It will be necessary to prove that the Persians.
              No, the variant with MANPADS is very dumb. But a stealth drone with an air-to-air missile is much simpler and a minimum of witnesses. Everything, I think, can be prepared quietly and so that everyone thinks that this is the Iranian TOP.
              1. Svarog51 9 January 2020 22: 10 New
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                So you need to use MANPADS not your own production, but the enemy? You will need to get MANPADS or Russian or Chinese.

                Dmitriy hi I definitely don’t need it, and I’m far from the scene.
                Could not shoot at all Persians, there are many who are. Your point of view also has a place to be. The only "BUT", to fix the TOP rocket on the drone and to be crazy - it does not fit in my head. It is too big for this. But until the end I’m not sure of this, and therefore I will not argue.
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                  to mount the TOR missile on a drone and get crazy - it doesn’t fit in my head

                  I believe that of course this is not a rocket from the TOP. This product is "air-to-air", which is "pretending" to be a TOP rocket, since it has been studied and there are places to get components in abundance. Has damaging elements in the TOP, parts, corresponding marking.
                  I think that even the lads from the Kiev Arsenal will quite cope, since it’s not difficult to dispose of them. The CIA and the more sophisticated pepelats ordered.
                  1. Svarog51 9 January 2020 22: 29 New
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                    Maybe you're right, I'm not special here. But for such an operation, a “workpiece” and a time reference are needed. If this is planned in advance. request And for this drone you need a shock, not a commonplace quadrocopter. We will see what else they say.
                    P, S, You’ll be laughing, and I have a VUS in my warrior - an anti-aircraft gunner of rocket-artillery self-propelled anti-aircraft mounts. I saw them, of course, they guarded our airfield, and I guarded it with a gun. What the company on the last day before my demobilization climbed me shooter anti-aircraft gunner write belay I have never seen Strela-2M either. request
              2. Glory Ponomarev 9 January 2020 22: 21 New
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                Who are you hinting at? Again, the evil Americans are to blame. And what kind of drone flew undetected to the Iranian capital, banged on the plane and flew back, but the Iranian air defense didn’t even notice it? winked
          3. Ironcity 9 January 2020 22: 01 New
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            Wow, the drone-stealth barracks, and even with the V-in rockets! Class! Do not tell me the brand \ model of a kind of wunderwaffle?
          4. asv363 9 January 2020 23: 56 New
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            Dmitry, from memory, all versions of the Igla MANPADS reach higher. The site of the General Designer, KBM, gives the maximum height of the target being hit 3500 m.
            https://www.kbm.ru/ru/production/pzrk/29.html
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              Yes you are right.
      3. prodd 9 January 2020 23: 45 New
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        Air air is too small for an instant shot down of such an aircraft
    3. New Year day 9 January 2020 22: 35 New
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      Quote: Observer2014
      The meaning of Iran to unlock the wreckage of the aircraft still have to show.

      so they don’t unlock, but on the contrary, they offer to participate in the investigation
      "The head of the Iranian Civil Aviation Organization also invited Canada and Sweden to cooperate in the investigation of the crash, but Chief Executive Officer Ali Abedzade emphasized that he would not hand over the black box of the plane, which could provide details of the last moments of the doomed flight, to the United States.
      Abedzade also on Thursday denied the assumption that a missile strike was launched. In a statement, he said that this result was "scientifically impossible, and such rumors have no meaning at all."
      https://www.newsweek.com/iranians-shot-down-ukraine-flight-mistake-sources-1481313
    4. atalef 10 January 2020 00: 05 New
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      This version is not very good. The meaning of Iran unlocking the wreckage of the aircraft will still have to be presented

      Well, in the Donbass so far.
      Although Iran is not the Russian Federation, they will calculate.
      Of course, I don’t really believe in a rocket, a launch would be detected as an explosion, but we’ll wait.
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        Quote: atalef
        Quote: Observer2014
        This version is not very good. The meaning of Iran unlocking the wreckage of the aircraft will still have to be presented

        Well, in the Donbass so far.
        Although Iran is not the Russian Federation, they will calculate.
        Of course, I don’t really believe in a rocket, a launch would be detected as an explosion, but we’ll wait.

        https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/status/1215337151967174656
        1. Barmaleyka 10 January 2020 00: 43 New
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          Well it’s necessary to liquidate so liquid, it’s me about you
          where did you see the rocket hit on the video? !!
    5. K-612-O 10 January 2020 00: 35 New
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      You then saw a TOP rocket, this is a military complex, there is a warhead with a gulkin nose, for a Boeing.
  • sir_obs 9 January 2020 20: 36 New
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    Yesterday I already read an article by some foreign investigator who linked Iranian Boeing to Donbass and Russia is completely guilty of all. There are no proofs, but they are not required, since everything is so obvious.
  • Sayan 9 January 2020 20: 40 New
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    They read a campaign in)))) here yesterday someone suggested it to them, jokingly assuming such a reaction of some media)) and yes, Putin personally supervised the calculation of air defense missiles from Syria))))
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    I read too
    http://in24.org/world/38219
    Now I think how to treat?
    1. Star Destroyer 9 January 2020 23: 29 New
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      Also an interesting video appeared (in VK)
      vk.com/video-123538639_456257306
  • pru-pavel 9 January 2020 20: 46 New
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    The plane began to fall sharply from a height of 2400 meters and burned. No messages were received from the crew. Probably a regular fire with a loss of control. The crew in such cases does not report anything to the dispatcher. The point of reporting if you break it anyway
    1. Vol4ara 9 January 2020 21: 38 New
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      Quote: pru-pavel
      The point of reporting if you break it anyway

      L is the logic. Sorry not about you
  • Esaul 9 January 2020 20: 46 New
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    Quote: Gray Brother

    This is rotten yesterday.
    Even the photo of the proof is real)))

    At the top of the photo you can see the container from under the doshik.

    Nearby, even the earth is not blown up, cheap crafts
    1. Baloo 9 January 2020 21: 09 New
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      Quote: Esaul
      Quote: Gray Brother

      This is rotten yesterday.
      Even the photo of the proof is real)))

      At the top of the photo you can see the container from under the doshik.

      Nearby, even the earth is not blown up, cheap crafts

      I am an ignoramus and amateur in these matters, but it is strange that no one is considering a version with an Israeli or a nasty intelligence drone. I circled, circled and ran. The fact that the pilots did not have time to say anything speaks for itself.
      1. Guru 9 January 2020 21: 16 New
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        I am an ignoramus and amateur in these matters, but it is strange that no one is considering a version with an Israeli or a nasty intelligence drone. I circled, circled and ran. The fact that the pilots did not have time to say anything speaks for itself.
        Get it! Civil liners fly strictly in the designated corridor. And to get into UAVs there - well, not even be called stupidity. Here is something else.
      2. Mityay65 9 January 2020 21: 27 New
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        version with an Israeli or amercous reconnaissance drone. I circled, circled and ran.

        How did you run into? Accidentally?
        It is more realistic to consider the stealth drone version with air-to-air missile.
    2. stayer 9 January 2020 21: 21 New
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      And I think this is generally a photo of a Chinese copy of the ATGM Baby.
    3. atalef 10 January 2020 00: 06 New
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      Nearby, even the earth is not blown up, cheap crafts

      Well, in general, of course. Torah chip each holds under the bed
  • ak1978 9 January 2020 20: 47 New
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    Naturally!
  • 75 Sergey 9 January 2020 20: 48 New
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    But it seems to me that it was Skyguard-Sparrow or Spada-2000, or maybe Patriot PAC-3 - why not?
    1. Tavi 9 January 2020 21: 14 New
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      And then sanctions against whom to introduce? They have an overheating of the brain.
  • cniza 9 January 2020 20: 55 New
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    Newsweek Announces Allegedly Possible Accidental Tor Attack on Ukrainian Boeing in Iran


    Well, yes, and allegedly on the remnants of missiles, Putin’s fingerprints were found ...
    1. Tavi 9 January 2020 21: 51 New
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      Yeah, on the tray from under the doshirak
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    Here are the expected highly likely. I did not have to wait long.
  • taiga2018 9 January 2020 21: 11 New
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    And I kept waiting, when, when Russia was finally pulled in and even at some point I thought, did the West really decide not to follow the pattern, but no, everything was old ... As one famous person said, “it's boring, girls. .. "It was not for nothing that they buoyed five lards to Ukraine, at first the Malaysian Boeing, now theirs, that’s how the Ukrainians will work out ...
  • Vadim01 9 January 2020 21: 13 New
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    Remember the catastrophe of IL-20 in Syria ... the Arab air defense system is kind of nervous!
    1. K-612-O 10 January 2020 00: 38 New
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      No need to insult the Persians by calling them Arabs
      1. Vadim01 10 January 2020 00: 43 New
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        But they fight the same way laughing
  • Zaurbek 9 January 2020 21: 15 New
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    Does Iran have a torus?
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      Does Iran have a torus?


      Russia is negotiating with Iran to modernize the Tor-M1 air defense system
      11: 45 29.01.2015
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      Top-M1 anti-aircraft missile system
      © Photo: public domain
      Izhevsk Electromechanical Plant Kupol is negotiating with the Iranian side on the modernization of Tor-M1. According to the Center for the Analysis of the World Arms Trade (CAMTO), Russia completely completed the delivery of 29 Tor-M1 air defense systems to Iran in Iran in January 2007
      .
  • Catfish 9 January 2020 21: 18 New
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    The Ukrainian Boeing was shot down by the Malaysians (and also by a Russian missile) in revenge for their Boeing, shot down by Ukrainians over Ukraine.
    (C. Interpress "Mail Email") wassat
  • anjey 9 January 2020 21: 25 New
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    And again, the plane crashed and a bunch of accusations fell without investigation, some kind of Deja Vu or a well-developed and also cynical-familiar style of Western intelligence services ????
  • eklmn 9 January 2020 21: 29 New
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    “The publication claims that they were allegedly provided with certain information by the US Department of Defense.”
    Actually self-respecting Western media will never publish info if it does not coincide with two or three other sources. in this case 3 different:
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    “The Ukrainian flight, crashed near the Iranian capital of Tehran, was shot down by an anti-aircraft missile system, a Pentagon spokesman, a senior US intelligence official and Iraqi intelligence officer told Newsweek.”
    https://www.newsweek.com/iranians-shot-down-ukraine-flight-mistake-sources-1481313
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      Quote: eklmn
      Actually self-respecting Western media will never publish info if it does not coincide with two or three other sources.

      "Ha ha" three times!
    2. Barmaleyka 9 January 2020 23: 32 New
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      Quote: eklmn
      Actually self-respecting Western media will never publish info if it does not coincide with two or three other sources

      create sources is not a problem
      1. eklmn 9 January 2020 23: 55 New
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        For the curious -
        The SpaceNews writes
        https://spacenews.com/u-s-early-warning-satellites-helped-avert-casualties-from-irans-missile-attack/
        “Trump:“ None of the Americans or Iraqis died because of the precautions taken, the dispersal of forces, and the early warning system that worked very well. ”
        What is the Early Warning System (PSA)?
        “After the president’s comments on January 8, one of the representatives of the Department of Defense said in a statement:“ ... Early warning systems detected incoming ballistic missiles in advance, giving the US and coalition forces enough time to take appropriate measures to protect the forces. ”
        Esper said the extent of the damage caused by the missile strike is still being analyzed, but he noted that the warning system was activated and worked as intended. ”
        “The US military has been notified of missile launches using a constellation of geosynchronous satellites and polar orbit satellites equipped with scanning and infrared sensors. The Space Infrared System (SBIRS) includes four geostationary satellites, two satellite systems in highly elliptical orbit, as well as stationary and mobile ground stations. ”
        “Neither the Pentagon nor the US Air Force will specifically comment on the use of SBIRS satellites to detect an Iranian missile attack. Although the existence of satellites is not a secret, the methods for using them and the methods for transmitting information are classified, said retired US Air Force retired general, General David Deptula, Dean of the Institute for Aerospace Research. Mitchell. ”
        English The Gardian writes:
        https://theaviationist.com/2020/01/09/iran-likely-shot-down-ukrainian-airliner-near-tehran-us-defense-officials-say/
        “Sources in Western intelligence told The Guardian that they estimated two ground-to-air missiles hit the plane. “It is known that Western intelligence agencies could pick up signals about missile launches, followed by explosions. A British source said: "It is estimated that this is a tragic accident." Separately, officials told the American media that they had identified handwriting from an Iranian anti-aircraft missile battery, which was activated shortly before the plane crashed into a rural area in the south, west of the Iranian capital. Killed all 176 on board. Officials also said they discovered an infrared signature as a result of two alleged missile launches, which was soon followed by an infrared signal from a burning damaged aircraft. ”
        “In dealing with how the US Department of Defense representatives could see the launch of the SAM, it is very likely that the United States was able to detect both initial missile strikes at US facilities at Al-Assad and Erbil military bases in Iraq, and any possible launch of an anti-aircraft missile class Ground-to-air in Iran, such as the one suspected of falling into Ukrainian 737, using their IR source. The United States Space Infrared System (SBIRS) is deployed from a series of ten surveillance satellites that send probable missile launch data back to ground stations. Information is transmitted in near real time. ”

        You don’t mess everything up - the truth will break through !!! )))
        1. Barmaleyka 10 January 2020 00: 13 New
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          Quote: eklmn
          You don’t mess everything up - the truth will break through !!! )))

          what's the truth ?!
          in satellite images that "we will not show you"
          By the way, do not specify for what reason this info is voiced after three days, but before that, like everyone said the opposite
          p / s / let's wait for the data from the black boxes
        2. Paranoid50 10 January 2020 00: 16 New
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          Quote: eklmn
          the truth will break through !!!

          And not even Friday ... request wassat
          1. Barmaleyka 10 January 2020 00: 18 New
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            And not even Friday ...

            adjust for a weekly booze
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          leave troll from here
  • Alexander X 9 January 2020 21: 30 New
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    Only in the morning did people write to VO that the Americans would now play a performance like with a Boeing in Ukraine ... As they looked into the water ...
  • Sergey Averchenkov 9 January 2020 21: 36 New
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    Now Hollywood should connect and make a film about it .... a kind of blockbuster ... I think then everyone will forget the truth. And who needs the truth when there is such a beautiful film - young people will definitely bite. Remember my words, after twenty years everyone will be sure that the Americans took Berlin. Ugh, my goodness ... I painted a terrible picture for myself, but now I think - because it will be so ...
  • Barmaleyka 9 January 2020 21: 38 New
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    Well, it started in the well-known scenario
  • eagle owl 9 January 2020 21: 44 New
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    This is what! "a statement by the secretary of the Ukrainian National Security and Defense Council Aleksey Danilov, who called one of the versions of the Boeing crash in Iran defeated by a" Russian missile "and promised to look for its wreckage." laughing
    The non-brothers still can’t oversleep
  • 30hgsa 9 January 2020 21: 56 New
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    Which is characteristic. When the report is released and it turns out that the accident happened due to technical reasons or as a result of a pilot error ... there won't be ANYTHING to the scribblers from newswick. Well lied, think? And this is the basis of modern Western journalism.
  • Tusv 9 January 2020 21: 56 New
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    Pancake. Already vidyuhi showed. It is very difficult to assume that this is an air defense attack. Night sky. Not any sort of scatter corresponding to the defeat of air defense systems. The backlight would not be round. MANPADS - maybe. The warhead is small and hits the IR Engine. In any case, let's wait for the decryption
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      The second minute - firing from the stinger at night. It’s impossible to miss.

      Then the night starts the iron fist. This is also easy to miss, especially when there is a video crash.
      1. Tusv 9 January 2020 22: 17 New
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        especially when there is a crash video.

        You confirm that Stinger is a round illumination. That's why I say it. It may be MANPADS. SAM on any circle does not fit. The rods will be reflected from the light of the blown dvigun. There will be no star if it is not a direct fall hi
        And the height is quite for the MANPADS. They only say that the board went to land. That is, MANPADS also have nothing to do with
      2. Ironcity 10 January 2020 00: 23 New
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        On the night shooting video of the stinger, the characteristic green background is this video was shot using NVD, which amplifies light radiation many times. Why did you use NVD when shooting these launches? Maybe because without it nichrome is not visible?
  • Vasyan1971 9 January 2020 22: 03 New
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    ... was shot down by an anti-aircraft missile of the Iranian Tor complex, manufactured in Russia.

    The most savory "highlight".
  • AndreyS 9 January 2020 22: 06 New
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    Well, who would doubt that such a message would appear. Already ours flooded to reprint here with such headings: "...The media reported that a missile accidentally hit a Ukrainian liner in Iran..." (https://www.rbc.ru/politics/09/01/2020/5e175aca9a79474326f9fcf9?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews). Оказывается "... Newsweek and CBS report this with reference to intelligence sources and the White House ... ... Three Reuters sources say the same thing ... ...CBS Correspondent Chris Van Cleve on his Twitter reported with reference to its own sources that "US authorities are confident that the Ukrainian side was shot down by Iran." According to his interlocutors, US intelligence has detected a signal from a working radar in the area. From the satellite, in turn, US intelligence spotted two flashes, which were supposedly traces of the launch of the Tor - M1 missiles.. "
    1. Mityay65 9 January 2020 22: 29 New
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      Quote: AndreyS
      who would doubt that such a message would appear. Already ours flooded to reprint here with such headers:

      People work, well done, snot do not chew, money forged at the box office Agitprop works quite effectively.
      It remains to envy the promptness and professionalism of the work of star-striped propaganda especially against the wretchedness of our homegrown work. request
  • parusnik 9 January 2020 22: 10 New
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    Well, now Ukraine will announce sanctions to Iran, stop the supply of fat .. smile
  • mavrus 9 January 2020 22: 31 New
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    This is the same SAM "BUK M1" that was in Ukraine. Video of evidence is about to come out, it remains to glue the film.

    Shaw, again Putin and Shaigu quietly arrived at the Buka, shot down and left ...
  • Piramidon 9 January 2020 22: 34 New
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    The rocket, apparently, was released by accident.

    As in that joke - "Who threw the felt boots on the remote?"
  • huntsman650 9 January 2020 22: 37 New
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    Warhead Torus 15 kg. At night, the trace of the engine and the detonation of 15 kg are clearly visible. Warhead for 2 km. well heard and far away. This time. And the air defense system implies notification of targets and the issuance of a command center. It is unlikely that Thor worked offline. Thor still doesn’t shoot dogon.
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      They smiled. Do not write nonsense because Thor cannot shoot at the dog!
      And yet, the main type of torus operation during the union was the atomic operation of the batteries. Tor M1 already with the UBC Rangier could calmly manage the regiment of tori
      1. huntsman650 9 January 2020 23: 16 New
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        I'm talking about the marine version. An operator generates a pbc, he can classify the target, on the mark, if radiation. All the same, the operator reports the detection and does not accept the launch permit. First SOC sees report? Or Thor worked in the machine, and the calculation was asleep)))
    2. Barmaleyka 9 January 2020 23: 13 New
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      The trace of the engine and the detonation of 15 kg are clearly visible at night

      but what about the use of MORBID poisonous substance in the city and only one person dies and three more have been poisoned a little, believe that ?!
      but the whole world believed and will believe in it as well as in a dig from the toilet to the RusADA laboratory
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        1. Barmaleyka 9 January 2020 23: 55 New
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          Are you trying to convince me?
          I don’t have to, even when the news of the disaster appeared, I had the thought that if it was an air defense system or a MANPADS, the trail would have been seen all the more so since the distance from the airport was scanty
  • Fishery 9 January 2020 23: 04 New
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    Yes, the plane would fall apart in the air, and so it would fall whole, most likely the engine, but the engines are not burned, the fuselage was burning
  • pexotinec 9 January 2020 23: 07 New
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    Well, how can one not stick to Russia in this matter, well, they cannot do without us.
  • Barmaleyka 9 January 2020 23: 10 New
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    looked through the last hour and it’s not like the plane really crashed on its own, only it seems that the mattress had a hand in it because the board was Sumerian and somehow everything was built up in time — the assassination of the general, the subsequent (expected) response from Iran and right there the Ukrainian board is falling and the headlines of the media are already dazzling. A UKRAINIAN plane in IRAN was shot down by a Russian air defense system
    ask me no willows for such a coincidence
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      Above I wrote about the intricacies of translation
      “Russia-built” is not Russian, but Russian-made.
      The Iranians have already said that the plane turned again towards the airport, from this they conclude that they did not hit the rocket
      But in general, Tehran is quite far from the border, in the depths of Iranian territory, almost on the coast of the Caspian
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        and Russian-made.

        this is not fundamentally the media, they say RUSSIA sells weapons to TERRORISTS
        the main thing is that several positions were brought together, RUSSIA-IRAN-KILLING UKRAINE-VICTIM
        1. Avior 9 January 2020 23: 50 New
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          They will write, of course, here you are right, and no matter what version of the fall there will be.
          But still far from the same thing
          I also saw these headlines and I don’t understand why they translate into Russian like Russian.
          It sounds ambiguous, there the Caspian Sea is nearby, as if they are accusing that Russia shot in such a clumsy translation.
          But in fact, I see that the accusations of the Iranians in the American media were used.
          The US media write that the Americans allegedly discovered Thor radar radiation, including in missile guidance mode.
          I don’t quite understand if they state this, and how could they have discovered at such a distance in principle, nobody canceled the Radio Horizon, but they don’t write about it.
          We need to wait, I think tomorrow there will be more clarity.
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            Americans allegedly discovered Thor radar radiation, including in missile guidance mode.
            I don’t quite understand if they state this, and how could they have discovered at such a distance, in principle, nobody canceled

            It must be assumed that you never heard of AWACS, drones and other means of electronic intelligence, and that on the night when a missile strike from Iran occurred, all these wonders of technology, as well as satellites, constantly monitored all movements in Iran-bin Newton?
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              as well as satellites, have constantly monitored all movements in Iran-bin Newton?

              we have satellite data but we will not show them to you
              PASSED
              Are you XTO by education ?!
              1. Liam 10 January 2020 00: 17 New
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                This should not concern you. Write your garbage further and do not interfere in conversations that you are not able to overpower for intellectual reasons
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                  abruptly
                  intellectually gifted you ours that you know about the operation of radars
                  and most importantly, explain why the Iranians bring down the passenger side with their citizens over their territory ?!
                  ps you can refute my "garbage"?
          2. Barmaleyka 9 January 2020 23: 58 New
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            I don’t quite understand if they state this, and how could they have discovered at such a distance in principle, nobody canceled the Radio Horizon, but they don’t write about it.

            the modern layman doesn’t care how much this really matters to him - a beautiful picture fits into his worldview
            Once again, the case of tablets falls apart for any person with a secondary education, but nevertheless, almost everyone believes in this nonsense
            1. Avior 10 January 2020 00: 34 New
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              Well, if Avax flew there that night, Or a reconnaissance plane or a similar drone, he really could detect the radiation
              He could be on duty in the air, the situation was difficult for the Americans, they could raise
              But then Avax and the attack on American bases would be determined, it turns out
              Need more info.
              Actually, that is the first official accusation of Iran, from the Prime Minister of Canada Trudeau
              Before that, only journalists, as I understand it
          3. eklmn 10 January 2020 00: 56 New
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            “The US media write that the Americans allegedly discovered Thor radar radiation, including in missile guidance mode.
            I don’t quite understand if they state this, and how could they have discovered at such a distance in principle, nobody canceled the Radio Horizon, but they don’t write about it. ”
            The radiation was detected by infrared sensors from satellites of the Early Warning System (SRP) (10 pcs. In different orbits, cover the entire ball and work in real time). Such a system has no horizon. The same system announced the launch of missiles in the direction of the bases. The ABM refers to the NATO system, so now England, Canada, and the United States are talking about the same thing - the launch of missiles towards the plane was visible.
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              SPRN could not record the operation of the radar, there are IR sensors, and not radar, flashes at launches, maybe it could, if the sensors were looking at that moment
              1. eklmn 10 January 2020 01: 33 New
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                They all chopped up - and the IR signal, and detected the deployment of an air defense radar, and its location, and flashes (see my comments above). Because Iran - under the supervision of 24/7, then the scan works in the same mode.
                1. Avior 10 January 2020 01: 36 New
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                  IR sensors, in principle, do not register a radio signal, only optical or IR.
                  Therefore, flashes of launches can see, the radar is not
                  hi
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                    Ask the specialists of Poseidon flying around the Crimea and Syria, where the S-400 are cut and frequencies.
      2. Liam 9 January 2020 23: 50 New
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        Iranians have said that the plane turned again towards the airport

        Do you propose to believe the words of the Iranians or the objective data of FR24 which did not record any aircraft turn?
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          What to guess, I think it will be visible by the location of the debris on the ground and from a detailed analysis of the data from the flyradar
          Theoretically could turn around And because of a breakdown, and because of external damage to the engines, trying to sit back
          1. Liam 10 January 2020 00: 23 New
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            Theoretically, the Martians could also knock him down. There are theories, but there are facts. The plane flew in a straight line with climb in the normal mode. I scored 1500 meters and 2 things happened suddenly. The transponder instantly turned off and the plane crashed to the ground at a great angle in almost seconds.
            These are the facts. With the transponder turned off, no one could “see” a priori any turns.
            1. Avior 10 January 2020 00: 28 New
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              I just read that Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau officially blamed Iran. This is the first charge not from the newspapers, but from an official, as I understand it
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                Instantly turning off the transponder can occur only in 2 cases.
                1. Turned off the pilot himself.
                2. Instant loss by an airplane of all power sources simultaneously, both engines and APU.
                An instant fall is only a destruction of the integrity of the aircraft and its aerodynamic characteristics or the deliberate actions of the pilot.
                The balance of probabilities, as you see, does not leave much space for theories and fantasies. Well, or propaganda)
                By the way. Black boxes essentially will not say anything what happened. They turned off immediately and simultaneously with the transponder. Perhaps only the sound of the explosion will be able to "find" and may be able to establish where the source of the explosion is on board or outside.
                The real answers to the questions will be given only by the examination of the wreckage of the aircraft and the bodies of the dead — what fragments they will find, what type and shape, what metal. Or traces of which kind of explosives (if the bomb was on board, which is unlikely)
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                  Black boxes have an autonomous power supply inside
                  https://www.bbc.com/russian/vert-aut-37756129
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                    Firstly, these power sources do not serve to record something, but only feed the drawer’s radio beacon for 30 days to find it easier. Secondly, with a complete blackout of the airplane’s systems and (or) damage to the airplane’s system cables, there’s nothing on the black box transmit.
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              With the transponder turned off, no one could "see" a priori any turns.

              and how did they see the transponders ?!
              Once again, who are you by education, what are you talking about?
  • alex aircraft 9 January 2020 23: 22 New
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    Well, the trees are sticks !!! after all, it is already known that the Boeing was hit by a needle-s and personally shot the GDP. and since this MANPADS weighs 18 kg. it helped to keep the Peskov tube and Navka received external target designation. and there is a video.
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      Target designation went from the watch for 37 million, a great reason why they are so prohibitively expensive, I hope this will suit the Russians now.
  • EDWARD 9 January 2020 23: 25 New
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    "who crap?
    -bride!
    so is her dumb at home?
    -so the coat hangs in the hallway!

    so here ..
  • razved 9 January 2020 23: 30 New
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    ... was shot down by an anti-aircraft missile of the Iranian Tor complex, manufactured in Russia ...

    Here is the main thing - produced in Russia. Everything else is empty hype. Not long, however, waited for this "sensation."
  • Star Destroyer 9 January 2020 23: 42 New
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    Total:
    For the murdered head of the IRGC (not just anyone, but the 4th person in the country !!!) Iran avenged a rocket attack on the desert, a stampede in which about 60 Iranians were killed and a downed "Boeing" in which there were 176 people ....
    We can say with confidence that Trump and the “hawks from Petagon” are not just shocked by what is happening, they have a real hysteria, no one expected a RESPONSE !!!

    It was thought how: to shudder a banana republic, show the American electorate who is the coolest macho, raise the rating before the election, and disperse peacefully ... but something went wrong.
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      Yes, the Americans are in shock, Iran has already drank about a hundred of its citizens and not a single American from anger.
  • Fishery 9 January 2020 23: 46 New
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    there is already a video of an explosion in the air, a small incidentally pop
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      there is already a video of an explosion in the air, a small incidentally pop

      You still forgot to add - "Google to help you. Go and look. My business is to throw it in."
  • Victor March 47 9 January 2020 23: 59 New
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    Yes, everything is clear here. People’s avengers worked for the Boeing that was shot down over the Donbass.
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    What will the commission for the investigation of the disaster decide - no one is interested? request - the main thing is to shout the accusation first ...
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      the main thing is to shout the accusation first

      This is the law of the genre. fellow
  • eklmn 10 January 2020 00: 16 New
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    I would like to see a group portrait of satisfied people after reading the conclusion made by Iran:
    “The plane of Ukrainian airlines Boeing 737 crashed due to engine fire, because due to the lack of original parts, Ukraine stuck something of its own, wooden. ”
    1. Avior 10 January 2020 00: 40 New
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      Canadians already require access to an investigation
      UIA must have access according to the rules.
      I don’t think that everything is so simple, if, of course, the truly uncertified item didn’t stand there
      Only this can Boeing determine, not Iranians
  • Victor March 47 10 January 2020 00: 24 New
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    They will write, of course, here you are right, and no matter what version of the fall there will be.
    But still far from the same thing
    I also saw these headlines and I don’t understand why they translate into Russian like Russian.
    It sounds ambiguous, there the Caspian Sea is nearby, as if they are accusing that Russia shot in such a clumsy translation.
    But in fact, I see that the accusations of the Iranians in the American media were used.
    The US media write that the Americans allegedly discovered Thor radar radiation, including in missile guidance mode.
    I don’t quite understand if they state this, and how could they have discovered at such a distance in principle, nobody canceled the Radio Horizon, but they don’t write about it.
    We need to wait, I think tomorrow there will be more clarity.

    What are you talking about !!! ??? If the test tube accurately pointed to the criminals, then everything else becomes empty chatter. Do not scare others with these highly scientific words, like a RADIO HORIZON. It is enough to say the magic - "WITH A HIGH PROBABILITY ...", and you can include any sanctions.
    1. Avior 10 January 2020 00: 37 New
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      If there really was that night In the area of ​​the Iraqi border hung the American Avax, a drone or an RTR And optical reconnaissance plane, then a radio horizon would really be enough.
  • Pacifist with AK 10 January 2020 00: 43 New
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    SBIRS allows Americans to recognize the point of the flare of a rocket over almost the entire ball in 20-30 seconds.

    Respect to the Americans, not life - chocolate! But .... where are those damn proofs ????? Why is Boeing in the Donbass an important puffy cheek and a categorical statement about who shot down? Where is the photo with reference to time and location? It’s a shame, but I quote from Wiki: SBIRS (Space-Based Infrared System - a space-based infrared system) is a new-generation American two-component integrated space system for early detection of ballistic missile launches (SPRN).
    Dear, BALLISTIC. About the SAM - not a sound ..... I do not believe it! (C)
    1. eklmn 10 January 2020 01: 12 New
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      “But .... where are those damn proofs?”
      My opinion -
      Common common sense - sensors are not wide-angle, narrowly focused. Watching the Donbass is pointless. For Russia-it is possible, sometimes. For North Korea and Iran - constantly. Show the world infrared photos with timestamp - will not. Canada believed, England did too (NATO is connected to the system).
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      Quote: Pacifist with AK
      SBIRS (English Space-Based Infrared System - a space-based infrared system) is a new-generation American two-component integrated space system for early detection of ballistic missile launches (SPRN).
      Dear, BALLISTIC. About the SAM - not a sound ..... I do not believe it! (C)

      According to numerous advertisements allegedly confirmed by separate proofs, such as the start of the launch and the marking of the flight path of the S-200 missile until the destruction of the Siberia Tu-154 in 2001 over the Black Sea, the US-based space-based missile system detects the flare of an air defense missile system. But the S-200 missile is a powerful rocket with a rocket engine. It is much more powerful than TOR and Buk missiles.
      Here everyone lies in different ways, how effective and efficient it is and in relation to what goals.
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      Do not believe it, but they even hack cruise missiles, which is why they know how and how much the petrel flew when they blew up the Russian side over Egypt, the Americans said that there were no missiles, there was an outbreak on board.
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      Where is the photo with reference to time and location?
      In terms of public display, everything is not easy with them, now there is only one declassified image with SBIRS for the entire life of the system.
  • dgonni 10 January 2020 00: 52 New
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    If we let Thor m1 shoot, then I have a wild question! And what a short-range complex fired at the luminous aki like a New Year's garland on a dark night! And having an EPR such that it can be seen for 100 km and the mark on the radar as the Soviet ruble! The torus fires a pair of missiles at a cruise missile or fighter, for 0.5 is 0.65 probability and the pair is just for one hundred percent defeat. But for such a mammoth? Yes, a pair of weak rockets? If mixed up with B-52, then either a beech or a cube or something else should work, but not a torus.
    1. Avior 10 January 2020 01: 17 New
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      As an option, they shot at an American drone, as they thought, hit the airliner
      Moreover, there was a drone or it was mistakenly identified - in this version it doesn’t matter, it’s important that they didn’t shoot at the liner
      But the drone could really be
      1. dgonni 10 January 2020 21: 33 New
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        So it seems to me that they shot at the drone. And yet a couple of rockets. Thor just shoots. But first of all, the goal was lost and a command was given to self-liquidate. Well, in this process, the cone of fragments and hooked the soaring Boeing.
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      I also have doubts about this version. Because even assuming that this air defense system was located in the vicinity of the airport, its shift operator will constantly see characteristic marks from airplanes that are moving in approximately the same direction. With approximately the same speed and change in height. Because The airport in Tehran, the capital of the state, is clearly located at a load other than Izhma. And the planes took off and landed in front of the Ukrainian side. And as you said, the mark will also be characteristic due to the significant ESR of the aircraft, especially at such a short distance.