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“And we still have the old BMP-1 scrap metal”: in Poland, they spoke about new armored vehicles in the Russian Armed Forces

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In the Polish military-oriented media, Defense24 published material on the planned delivery of the latest armored vehicles to the Russian Armed Forces in 2020. The author of the article, Mateusz Zilonka, informs Polish readers that in the coming year Russian troops will be replenished with BMP-3s with 57 mm guns, BMPT Terminator, as well as BMP-2Ms with ATGM 9M133 Kornet (Berezhok combat modules).


BMP-3, as noted in the Polish media, is equipped with the latest combat module "Age", which is remotely controlled and allows you to hit a wide range of targets, including armored vehicles - for example, armored personnel carriers of the enemy.

A separate story about BMPT (BMOT) "Terminator", created on the basis of tank T-72A.

Mateusz Zilonka:

These vehicles should provide direct fire support to the Office with anti-tank missile launchers against enemy long-range tanks and with automatic guns against lighter armored targets and manpower at close range.

Material about the rearmament of the Russian army aroused considerable interest among Polish readers. The author was rained with questions. One of them turned out to be devoted to the use of a module with a 57-mm gun.

It seems that the Russians had never produced such a gun before. So this design is made from scratch?

A reader at Defense24 is trying to find out if the weight of the turret is increasing due to the use of higher caliber guns and shells, "which should be provided with an electric drive of greater power?"

From comments:

If the capacity of the ammunition compartments remains the same, then, accordingly, this will affect the ammunition. For ammunition of caliber 57-mm ammunition will be less (than for 30 mm), it will often need to be replenished. Here in general it is necessary to solve a lot of technical problems.

Another reader of the material notes that Russia is constantly improving its armored vehicles, and the Polish leadership, constantly increasing its military budget, is going the wrong way:

You can see how the Russians are developing and modernizing their forces, but what about us? BMP-1, which is an old tin can, scrap metal, and the date of commissioning of the Borsuk armored vehicle has not yet been presented.



Another comment:

It is likely that Russians, after Yugoslavia and the creation of bases in Poland by the Americans, after the development of the situation in Ukraine and attacks in the Middle East, no longer believe in the peaceful message of Western democracies, therefore they rely on military equipment.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 9 January 2020 08: 46
    +47
    It seems that the Russians had never produced such a gun before. So, is this design made from scratch?
    Yes they did, moreover, it was also in service with the Polish Army. Well, now they will not remember about it.

    129 ZSU-57-2 delivered from the USSR in the period from 1957 to 1961, removed from service
    “And we still have the old BMP-1 can”
    Yeah ... what would they say if they knew that the BMP-1 also has plenty ...
    1. Bar2
      Bar2 9 January 2020 08: 55
      -15
      Throw NATO Slavs, here and get new BMP, we will live together to live and gain good.
      1. evgenii67
        evgenii67 9 January 2020 09: 25
        +55
        Fuck these psheks surrendered as allies, no-no-no, let's just remain "partners
        1. Bar2
          Bar2 9 January 2020 09: 27
          -36
          Quote: evgenii67
          Fuck those psheks surrendered as allies, no-no-no, let's just remain "partners,

          our Slav brothers, you Jews need nothing of this.
          1. evgenii67
            evgenii67 9 January 2020 09: 46
            +50
            Who says I'm Jewish? But it’s interesting that in the whole history they made good Psheks for Russia? And now they behave like little mongrels from the Baltic states, only this dog will be bigger, but still they have not grown to the USA chain dog.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 9 January 2020 10: 53
              +12
              That's why they have the status of a small mongrel, that you don’t need to put them on a chain: except that they will tear your pants, and already bite - your gut is thin, you would rather hide under the porch.
              If we were with Russia, we could be a NATION, and only a regional Baltic ethnic group would be like that.
              And there’s nothing good in the whole history, although someone can recall good moments ...
              1. jovanni
                jovanni 9 January 2020 15: 46
                +7
                Quote: hydrox
                although someone can recall good moments ...

                I remember! Four troopers and a dog. True, there was one Georgian, and the dog was a German shepherd. In general, this is a movie. Invented ... fellow
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 9 January 2020 16: 41
                  +6
                  Well, in those times and kina, though invented, but good and kind, filmed and went with a bang, but now what? And who is to blame for this - you understand (as well as to all "ours")? ...
                2. Paul Siebert
                  Paul Siebert 11 January 2020 08: 42
                  +1
                  Yes - a movie invented!
                  Communicated with real Poles.
                  It seems that they hate Georgians more than Russians.
                  At the genetic level.
                  At least the Psheks could not tell me anything intelligible about the reasons for this hatred ...
            2. Bar2
              Bar2 9 January 2020 15: 49
              -2
              Quote: evgenii67
              Who says I'm Jewish? But it’s interesting that in the whole history they made good Psheks for Russia?


              if you are Russian, then you should feel sorry for the Russians and other Slavs, no matter what they are now.
              It is not the Russian people and Poles / glades who are guilty of misunderstanding and hatred of the Slavic peoples, but the criminal authorities and the Catholic Church, which cultivated all this hatred, however our Russian Orthodox Church is also no better. Here we must overcome this and tear the Poles from the Catholic Church, then Everything will be alright.
              1. evgenii67
                evgenii67 9 January 2020 16: 22
                +10
                Sorry for the bee! No one regrets Russia, and in particular Russian. What are you talking about? With Psheks, we can have friendly trade and economic relations on the basis of mutual respect - yes. Although whom am I kidding? Our friendship and brotherhood with anyone is dear to us, so they will not consider us brothers, however, like us they are. Believe me, once we become twin, after a certain time they will betray us or in some garbage they will set us up.
          2. Romka47
            Romka47 9 January 2020 11: 29
            +22
            Slavs brothers yeah, go to the regiment of Azov tell, or in Lviv, tell them that we are brothers ..
          3. maidan.izrailovich
            maidan.izrailovich 9 January 2020 11: 40
            +20
            our Slavs brothers

            With such "brothers" as psheki and enemies are not necessary. crying
            1. bars1
              bars1 9 January 2020 20: 40
              +5
              What for relatives such, I’d better be an orphan!
          4. Fedorovich
            Fedorovich 9 January 2020 17: 24
            +5
            Jews are better than these ... gay Slavs.
          5. Deathmaker
            Deathmaker 9 January 2020 23: 31
            +3
            These "brothers" consider you cattle. Such friends - and no enemies are needed.
          6. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 9 January 2020 23: 43
            +6
            Quote: Bar2
            our Slav brothers, you Jews need nothing of this.

            Good brothers ... There are the Bulgarian brothers, whom we gave the statehood to, fought against us in both world wonders! Maybe enough bullshit to suffer?
          7. Bar2
            Bar2 10 January 2020 11: 37
            0
            Quote: Bar2
            our Slav brothers, you Jews need nothing of this.


            from the reviews it’s immediately clear who rules the ball here - these are the Poles who call it -zyd i.e. Jew, that on this site it is forbidden to pronounce Russian.
          8. Den717
            Den717 10 January 2020 13: 48
            +4
            Quote: Bar2
            our Slavs brothers

            How long have the Poles become brothers to us. Cain and Abel were also relatives. Who helped?
            1. Bar2
              Bar2 10 January 2020 13: 51
              -1
              Quote: Den717
              How long have the Poles become brothers to us. Cain and Abel were also relatives. Who helped?


              yes there is a war that has no name, the Slavs are enslaved and divided and set against each other, the Russians and the Slavs must understand this and fight not among themselves to the enemy’s needs, namely against the enemy with the Germans / Jews / Catholics, in short with the West.
              1. Den717
                Den717 10 January 2020 13: 58
                +4
                Quote: Bar2
                Slavs are enslaved and divided and they are set against each other

                Do you consider yourself enslaved? ... I do not. Actually, the Germans and I agreed better than the Poles. A heretic is worse than a non-Christian.
                1. Bar2
                  Bar2 10 January 2020 14: 01
                  -1
                  Quote: Den717
                  Do you consider yourself enslaved? ... I do not. Actually, the Germans and I agreed better than the Poles. A heretic is worse than a non-Christian.


                  Well, you are probably one of those who feel good everywhere, speak any language, sell your land / homeland and the memory of your ancestors. But they will also get rid of you, because no one needs traitors.
                  1. Den717
                    Den717 10 January 2020 14: 05
                    +3
                    Quote: Bar2
                    Well, you are probably one of those who feel good everywhere, speak any language, sell your land / homeland and the memory of your ancestors.

                    What did you draw such a conclusion from, my dear? It seems to me that modern psychiatry can provide assistance adequate to your condition. Do not be shy. Health is more important....
                    1. Bar2
                      Bar2 10 January 2020 14: 10
                      -1
                      Quote: Den717
                      What did you draw such a conclusion from, my dear? It seems to me that modern psychiatry can provide assistance adequate to your condition. Do not be shy. Health is more important....


                      you have an outlook, like reptiles i.e. a few meters around, you don’t see and don’t see that our land is being sold by a stranger, the USSR has been destroyed, all these small states are hostile to Russia, for example Ukraine, it is ruled by not Russians and not even Slavs, lands are being bought by strange people in Altai.
                      As for the Poles, it was the same with them only earlier, and even earlier with the Slavs of Germany and the Balkans.
                      That's it.
                      1. Den717
                        Den717 10 January 2020 14: 15
                        +3
                        Quote: Bar2
                        you have an outlook, like reptiles i.e. a few meters around

                        Well, albeit so. And then you are more like a worm - do not look at it - all ...., and even that is lower than the ground level.
                      2. Bar2
                        Bar2 10 January 2020 14: 16
                        -2
                        unlike you, I see a story, but there’s nothing to talk about with you ...
                      3. Den717
                        Den717 10 January 2020 14: 25
                        +2
                        Quote: Bar2
                        unlike you, I see a story, but there’s nothing to talk about with you ...

                        Seeing what, maybe you see, it is difficult with awareness, like a primary school student. And, yes, there is nothing to talk about ... But if you wish, you can grow up "above yourself" and topics will appear. laughing Judging by how you are eager to offend your interlocutor, you have a long road to perfection. hi
        2. Shuttle
          Shuttle 9 January 2020 12: 33
          +3
          Quote: evgenii67
          Fuck these psheks surrendered as allies, no-no-no, let's just remain "partners

          ... Sometimes they talk in a foreign press that the Red Army has as its goal the extermination of the German people and the destruction of the German state. This, of course, is stupid nonsense and stupid slander against the Red Army. The Red Army does not and cannot have such idiotic goals. The Red Army aims to expel the German occupiers from our country and liberate Soviet land from Nazi invaders. It is very likely that the war for the liberation of Soviet land will lead to the expulsion or destruction of the Hitler clique. We would welcome a similar outcome. But it would be ridiculous to identify Hitler’s clique with the German people, with the German state. The experience of history says that the Hitlers come and go, and the people are German, and the German state remains.
          The strength of the Red Army, finally, lies in the fact that it does not and cannot have racial hatred of other peoples, including the German people, that it has been brought up in the spirit of the equal rights of all peoples and races, in the spirit of respect for the rights of other peoples . The racial theory of the Germans and the practice of racial hatred have led all freedom-loving peoples to become enemies of Nazi Germany. The theory of racial equality in the USSR and the practice of respect for the rights of other peoples led to the fact that all freedom-loving peoples became friends of the Soviet Union. This is the strength of the Red Army. That is the weakness of the fascist German army. Sometimes in the foreign press it is said that Soviet people hate Germans, just like Germans, that the Red Army destroys German soldiers, just like Germans, because of hatred for everything German, which is why the Red Army does not capture German soldiers. This, of course, is the same stupid nonsense and stupid slander against the Red Army. The Red Army is free from racial hatred. She is free from such a humiliating feeling, because she was brought up in the spirit of racial equality and respect for the rights of other peoples. We should also not forget that in our country the manifestation of racial hatred is punishable by law ...

          Speaking of Poles in Russia.
          http://www.odnako.org/blogs/polskiy-vklad-v-velikuyu-rossiyu/
        3. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 9 January 2020 19: 25
          -1
          but the psheks have the strongest cavalry in the geyrop, after Bandera’s course.
        4. Evdokim
          Evdokim 10 January 2020 11: 51
          +1
          Quote: evgenii67
          Fuck these psheks surrendered in

          Right. They are catholics, and not what they are not our brothers.
        5. NEXUS
          NEXUS 10 January 2020 19: 22
          -2
          Quote: evgenii67
          Fuck these psheks surrendered to the allies,

          Their helmsmen yes, it’s not necessary for nothing ... but are there people who consider us their brothers Slavs? Also out of sight?
          1. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 10 January 2020 22: 10
            +2
            Quote: NEXUS
            .and the people there who consider us their brothers Slavs? Also out of sight?

            what are they invisible there ??? wassat who do they vote for, who are their representatives in the power structures of Poland ??? wink
      2. shark
        shark 9 January 2020 10: 12
        +6
        they are Uniates. When they adopted Catholicism, they refused from Slavism. I would not want to make money with such kind of good.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 9 January 2020 16: 27
          +4
          Quote: shark
          they are Uniates. When they adopted Catholicism, they refused from Slavism.

          I beg you, well, do not hang on the Poles too much. They have enough of their sins.
          Uniates are Greek Catholics. And the Poles are Catholics.
          1. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 9 January 2020 23: 44
            0
            Quote: Flood
            And the Poles are Catholics.

            atheists they are ungrateful !!! request
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 9 January 2020 23: 59
              0
              Quote: Nikolai the Greek
              atheists they are ungrateful !!!

              Will you be from the priests?
      3. Fuse angel
        Fuse angel 9 January 2020 11: 36
        +1
        This is not destined to happen, the Poles are our historical rivals, have been at enmity with them for centuries and for centuries we have occupied their lands (in their opinion), so this is already so easy for our peoples in our national memory to not get rid of. Moreover, we will never have equal friendship with them.
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 9 January 2020 23: 49
          +1
          Quote: Guardian Angel
          Poles are our historical rivals

          if current a long time ago !!! right now do you really think they are worthy rivals ??? what in case of serious "hipish" they will be crushed and practically not noticed !!! wassat soldier
      4. Lone gunman
        Lone gunman 9 January 2020 13: 05
        +3
        This "vagina" works exclusively for accepting bills and biomaterials ...
      5. Alex 2020
        Alex 2020 9 January 2020 16: 52
        +6
        The Poles have never been reliable and good friends. Always on their own or with those from whom they can benefit from at a lower cost.
        1. Deathmaker
          Deathmaker 9 January 2020 23: 33
          +1
          I note - not for any country.
      6. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 9 January 2020 20: 49
        +3
        Quote: Bar2
        throw nato slavs

        recourse of them the Slavs, as Izzzzzz ................ !!! laughing
    2. BAI
      BAI 9 January 2020 09: 38
      +10
      The first thought was about her too. And there was self-propelled guns ASU-57. Self-propelled gun for the Airborne.
      1. venik
        venik 9 January 2020 10: 11
        +6
        [quote = BAI] And there was also an ACS-57 self-propelled gun. Self-propelled gun for the Airborne Forces.
        ========
        You would remember about ZIS-2!

        By the way, it was on the basis of exactly the ZIS-2 that the gun for the ASU-57 was created! Unlike the C-60 (ZU-57-2), which became the prototype for modern systems!
      2. kupitman
        kupitman 9 January 2020 10: 13
        0
        and there was a ZIS-2 57mm
    3. Kurare
      Kurare 9 January 2020 10: 52
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      Yes they did, moreover, it was also in service with the Polish Army.

      In fact, the Epoch module has a 57 mm low ballistic automatic cannon LSHO-57 (AGS-57). If I am not mistaken, the shell is the same, but the cannon is a new development.

      Perhaps these are the Poles, and meant that we are moving further, and they want to spend money on wunderwaffes like F-35.
    4. AlexVas44
      AlexVas44 9 January 2020 11: 15
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      Well, now they will not remember about it.

      Apparently the memory of former associates is selective. As of 2017, 224 S-60 anti-aircraft systems with 57mm anti-aircraft guns AZP-57 had.
    5. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 9 January 2020 14: 21
      +2
      Well, the ZSU-57-2 is not exactly the gun that the Derivations
    6. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 9 January 2020 20: 57
      0
      last 500 pieces. the main is BMP 2 of them more than 3000
    7. Alexander Petrov1
      Alexander Petrov1 10 January 2020 03: 45
      0
      Yes, you have Poland, besides American corn and apples, there is nothing of your own and never will be.
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  2. Tank hard
    Tank hard 9 January 2020 08: 49
    +28
    It is likely that русские after Yugoslavia and the creation of American bases in Poland, after the development of the situation in Ukraine and attacks in the Middle East no longer believe in the peaceful message of Western democracies, therefore rely on military equipment.

    Masterpiece conclusion ... bully
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 9 January 2020 09: 22
      +9
      By the way, Poland today refers to the same Western democracies, and not to the CMEA countries and the Warsaw Pact. And in its confrontation with Russia, a certain place is assigned. But, indeed, it could maintain normal relations with our country and be friendly, not hostile. what .
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 9 January 2020 09: 23
        +4
        Quote: bessmertniy
        But, indeed, it could maintain normal relations with our country and be friendly, not hostile

        It’s not possible, they have such a character, remember the story. hi
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 9 January 2020 11: 02
          +3
          It was for their character that they got the whole story: they, in principle, do not accept the concept of "good-neighborly relations" - in Pshekowski, if you do not have money to buy off it, then you are weak.
      2. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 10 January 2020 00: 00
        +1
        Quote: bessmertniy
        could maintain normal relations with our country and be friendly, not hostile.

        to maintain the norms of the relationship, it must be sovereign, including in terms of the economy !!! As the practice of the last couple of decades has shown, the Polish economy is the creation of its “roofing” side !!! wink wassat
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 9 January 2020 08: 51
    +1
    "And we still have an old BMP-1 tin can"
    Pshekam "cans" are contraindicated. Or they will cut their hands, or ... they will cut them off. Temperament. request
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 9 January 2020 09: 00
      +2
      I watch the series "Scrap Metal Workers" about Polish hard workers, and so they Lölek and Bolek are certainly smarter, but four tankers are already inferior in this regard.
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 9 January 2020 09: 06
    +4
    Normal re-equipment in accordance with modern requirements.
    It seems that the Russians had never produced such a gun before. So, is this design made from scratch?

    And here is a mistake. This caliber was used. Anti-tank ZIS 2, installed on the T 34, anti-aircraft guns such as "hellish thresher" for example. There is operating experience.
  5. beeper
    beeper 9 January 2020 09: 31
    +9
    In fact, in the fighting compartment of the BMP-3, there are not only 30 mm shells, but also ammunition for a 100 mm gun (so there is room for 57 mm shells of a new combat module) - do the Poles don’t know this ?!
    Of the well-known Soviet cannons of the PTO ZiS-2 of WWII, and the Polish Army allied to us, they were in service. How, probably, did they have the Soviet anti-aircraft gun mounts S-60 (based on the AZP-57 gun) and ZSU 57-2 based on the T-54 tank ?!
    And on the Polish ships of the Soviet era, destroyers, watchdogs and minesweepers, weren’t there Soviet 57-mm anti-aircraft (and universal) gun mounts ZIF-31; 74; 75 (and on the post-war, the most numerous, Soviet diesel submarines of the 613 project, at the beginning 57-mm gun mounts were placed?) ??!
    So, the 57-mm caliber was fully mastered and was widely used in the USSR!
    Something "ambitious", our former "allies" in the VD, a very bad "opinion of the Russians" and our multinational Soviet Union ??!
    Although, I see, there are quite realistic ones among them ?! winked
    1. Cananecat
      Cananecat 9 January 2020 09: 54
      +5
      There is not a bad opinion about us, but rather the lack of information on weapons. Not only promising, but also present and filmed. As they say, the topic of the system is not disclosed. The Polish author scored a certain number of characters exclusively for mercantile purposes, without studying the issue.
      1. beeper
        beeper 9 January 2020 10: 12
        +3
        hi About authors of articles, comrade Canecat, not only Polish, this is a separate conversation ... winked
        After all, and the audience Polish of readers-commentators, as we can see from this ultra-small "sample", they manifest themselves as ugly doldons, who simply do not know even the latest (very recent) history of their own armed forces and weapons, completely lazy to independently "google" on the Web ?! request
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 9 January 2020 11: 12
          +3
          And on the other hand: did the pshek ever have something of their own? After all, even the shipbuilding of the "shallow sea fleet" they took up only when Stalin handed them Gdansk and all their products were of poor quality tracing paper from the Reich Kriegs Marina. And when the logs designated themselves as trendsetters for the CMEA, they completely abandoned military engineering.
    2. 5-9
      5-9 9 January 2020 10: 32
      +1
      The problem is that a 57-mm high ballistic projectile is almost the size of a 100-mm low projectile, of which there are 3 pieces in the BMP-22.
      1. beeper
        beeper 9 January 2020 11: 04
        +2
        I completely agree with you, comrade aka 5-9!
        In terms of the axial dimension-length of unitary artillery shots (in common parlance for tankers - "unitar", sent to the breech of the gun, literally - "one left", and especially burdensome had to "nurse" with 115 mm in the T-62, after which, too heavy and oversized, 100-mm artillery round for the D-10T-2C T-55 (-54) was recalled with nostalgia, so, not to mention the 100-mm "shorty" for the standard BMP-3 cannon, the "Unitar" 57- mm completely "toy" of some kind, according to our "tankist concepts"! smile ), but not the largest diameter of the sleeve!
        Nevertheless, the projected full ammunition, as far as I know, is 148 (?) 57-mm artillery rounds.
        And 20 minutes is the standard for loading ammunition and refueling with coolant for a cannon from a wheeled TPM (based on the Ural 4320-18010-30 chassis).
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 9 January 2020 16: 34
          0
          Shot like a machine gun. And all in a bullseye. It inspires.
    3. Old tanker
      Old tanker 9 January 2020 11: 21
      +1
      Most likely, this module has auger ammunition stowage as in the same type "Derivation - Air Defense".
  6. knn54
    knn54 9 January 2020 09: 34
    0
    Envy does not color.
  7. Strashila
    Strashila 9 January 2020 09: 34
    0
    Strange statements, the Poles are constantly for the Ukrainian overpower that stir.
  8. Amateur
    Amateur 9 January 2020 10: 07
    +2
    Are the Poles seriously going to fight with the Russian Federation? Or is it just "show-off from a cheap dude"? am
    1. shark
      shark 9 January 2020 10: 15
      +4
      Poles, this is the case when the show-offs are gradually hallucinating into reality. But the reality of this does not become
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 9 January 2020 11: 22
      +1
      It's not even show-off: here he is talking about military engineering, but he is completely unfamiliar with the technical side of military affairs, this side simply never interested him, but I WANT to tell him about military-political topics, as grown-up guys do - so he copies them, not understanding the meanings, connections, messages and conclusions under the main political thesis: "The country of Central Europe must either command others or lie under someone else" - there is no other option. laughing
      And look at at least the 300-year history of Central Europe - isn't that so? And already the 20th century - it is generally clinically indicative in this regard ...
  9. Ros 56
    Ros 56 9 January 2020 10: 31
    +1
    So we will not sell new equipment to Poles. Anyway, let them bark because of the fence, soon they will also be cut off financing as tribalts, it will be all right and Trump will bill them 4% of GDP for NATO. Let them bark.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 9 January 2020 11: 32
      +1
      The NATs will not be there: Trump’s logs were demanded that he put a division of the whole squad to them - and when Trump does this, he will leave the Poles without pants at all.
      Or did they decide to stir it up to refresh the lochtorate rock? laughing
  10. cniza
    cniza 9 January 2020 10: 32
    +2
    It is likely that Russians, after Yugoslavia and the creation of bases in Poland by the Americans, after the development of the situation in Ukraine and attacks in the Middle East, no longer believe in the peaceful message of Western democracies, therefore they rely on military equipment.


    The most sensible comment, and most importantly, reflects the whole point of what is happening ...
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 9 January 2020 11: 35
      +2
      In my opinion, we have been absorbing this promise without even noticing it for twenty years with every sip of the drink ... yes
      1. cniza
        cniza 9 January 2020 11: 56
        +2
        We then yes, but it sounds very unexpected from the Poles ...
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 9 January 2020 13: 23
          +1
          Is it so unexpected?
          After all, not all logs of Russophobia, among them sane Poles are found (though very few) ...
          1. cniza
            cniza 9 January 2020 15: 14
            +3
            There are a lot of people among the people, but this voice was not released into the public sphere, from the word at all.
          2. Awt
            Awt 9 January 2020 19: 03
            0
            Maybe they finally have some sobering up from rainbow fantasies? They may understand that the Naglosaks need them only as a wedge between Germany and Russia, and if there is suddenly no Russia, then the Poles will no longer need. Naglosaksa again easily surrender them at the first opportunity.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 9 January 2020 20: 13
              0
              Not the case: such a sobering comes with the advent of KNOWLEDGE about things and phenomena, but not at all with the falsification of history.
          3. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 10 January 2020 00: 16
            +2
            Quote: hydrox
            Is it so unexpected?
            After all, not all logs of Russophobia, among them sane Poles are found (though very few) ...

            in Nazi Germany it was the same !!! have to judge by real action !!! am
            1. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 10 January 2020 00: 57
              +2
              Here is another confirmation of the inadequacy of these yblyudok !!! wassat

              The Sejm of Poland has equalized the responsibility of Germany and the USSR for the outbreak of war

              The parliament condemned statements in which the Russian authorities allegedly “try to hold Poland responsible for starting the Second World War”, noting that “the greatness of a nation and relations between states cannot be built on lies and falsification of history”.

              https://news.mail.ru/politics/40137345/?frommail=1

              They call themselves great, wimps !!! laughing
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 10 January 2020 08: 40
                0
                Yes, we wanted to spit on the decisions of this wood Diet!
                The whole question is HOW TO MAKE THEM smash your stupid little cats on the floor and repent, repent and repent in front of our grandfathers, who prevented this from becoming a home compost.
                1. Nikolai Grek
                  Nikolai Grek 10 January 2020 22: 06
                  +2
                  Quote: hydrox
                  Yes, we wanted to spit on the decisions of this wood Diet!

                  I would not be so optimistic ... do you think the events of June 41 were organized by such an unexpected person ??? am just such yu bastards, a few years before the 41st they threw a bunch (like yesterday from psheks), which ultimately led to WWII and WWII !!! negative right now this gang is going in the same direction !!! soldier
                  1. hydrox
                    hydrox 11 January 2020 07: 14
                    0
                    This is not excessive optimism, it is real: they would WANT to go, but they don’t have the strength: they would also WANT to crush Russia, but they don’t have unity: they can’t SEE us, but there’s where to put their eyes, if they still watching? yes
  11. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 9 January 2020 10: 38
    +1
    It is likely that Russians, after Yugoslavia and the creation of bases in Poland by the Americans, after the development of the situation in Ukraine and attacks in the Middle East, no longer believe in the peaceful message of Western democracies, therefore they rely on military equipment.


    And there is.
  12. Star Destroyer
    Star Destroyer 9 January 2020 10: 44
    0
    Yes, for heaven’s sake, let them increase defense spending by 2 times, to Russians 3,9% of GDP, and then in the bright future there could be in the series both BMP3 with a 57m gun, and “terminators” in the army and already BMP2 “take care "... or maybe they won’t.
    A funny article actually.
    1. L-39NG
      L-39NG 9 January 2020 13: 20
      +1
      Well, you see, "NATO is raising defense spending" to 3,9% of the Russian GDP. "Nonsense, we are in no hurry to raise even up to 2%, or very, very gradually, or even, in general, like that. Well, maybe over time, and the need will disappear?
      I hope the meaning is clear.
      1. KrokodilGena
        KrokodilGena 10 January 2020 15: 14
        -1
        Quote: L-39NG
        Nonsense, we, even up to 2%, are not in a hurry to raise it, or very, very gradually

        Only in% of Russia's GDP spends at least 2,5 times more than the average in NATO, more than 5%, and this is not counting some closed articles and defense spending programs.
  13. fruit_cake
    fruit_cake 9 January 2020 13: 50
    +1
    "Europe's second economy" cannot create, okay, at least buy new BMPs?
  14. ultra
    ultra 9 January 2020 14: 11
    -1
    Quote: L-39NG
    maybe over time. And the need will disappear?
    I hope the meaning is clear.

    And do not hope that if it disappears, then it does not make sense, but something else. There has never been any sense. laughing
  15. peter rusin_2
    peter rusin_2 9 January 2020 14: 17
    +2
    To produce modern armored vehicles, it’s not your business to trade apples))
  16. Astronaut
    Astronaut 9 January 2020 14: 41
    +1
    they no longer believe in the peaceful message of Western democracies, so they rely on military equipment.

    Wow, it comes as a giraffe, but it’s good that it did.
  17. honest people
    honest people 9 January 2020 16: 09
    0
    I do not understand how Poles are metal poles in the form of BMP 1 is very different from our scrap metal in the form of BMP, 1,2
  18. Awt
    Awt 9 January 2020 18: 59
    +1
    How is the BMP-1? Doesn't NATO membership mean automatically throwing away all the Soviet "trash" and equipping the army with imperial droids, plasma guns and exoskeletons?
  19. Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 9 January 2020 19: 52
    +2
    Quote: Bar2
    Throw NATO Slavs, here and get new BMP, we will live together to live and gain good.

    Throw, but for a different reason. We don’t need you as a dog’s fifth leg. No one will contact you anymore.
  20. Tarasios
    Tarasios 9 January 2020 22: 28
    0
    a little clarification: the title of the article "... old scrap metal BMP-1" ... is a clipping from the commentary of a Pole, which is given at the very end of the article. While the comment itself indicates the BWP-1 machine. According to my habit, I climbed to rummage in the Internet and clarify for myself.
    So that's it. This is "practically" BMP-1, but not quite:
    "BWP-1 is a Polish modification of the BMP-1, manufactured under license." (from Wiki). Specialists will tell you more precisely what the differences are.
  21. iouris
    iouris 9 January 2020 23: 23
    0
    So, it is necessary to increase the budget of the war once in five. Essentially, you have to tighten your belt for about fifteen years. And everything will appear !.
  22. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 10 January 2020 07: 43
    0
    I have a question. Is that what’s in the photo, is it really an infantry fighting vehicle or a self-propelled gun?
  23. Vadim01
    Vadim01 10 January 2020 13: 52
    -2
    I will reveal a military secret: The basis of armor in the Russian Federation for 2020 is the same scrap metal in the form of BMP-2 and BTR-80.
    1. KrokodilGena
      KrokodilGena 10 January 2020 21: 02
      -1
      Quote: Vadim01
      I will tell you a military secret: the basis of armor in the Russian Federation for 2020 is the same scrap metal in the form of BMP-2 and BTR-80.

      And all these derivations and eras, as there were not in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, are not present, for some reason they are alarmed. What does the Poles themselves may not have Puma, but they are armed with the Rozomak BTR, with the Spike ATGMs and a programmable 30mm BK, as well as the 30mm sub-caliber armored shells that are 11 holes armored for departure. In Russia, so far, even at exhibitions and parades there was no 4th generation ATGM, just as there was no modern BK line for 30mm guns, no.

  24. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 10 January 2020 20: 08
    +1
    Quote: Bar2
    our Slav brothers, you Jews need nothing of this.

    What kind of brothers are they?
    Today your "brothers" from the Polish Sejm have entrusted the responsibility for unleashing 2 MV to the Third Reich and the USSR.
    by Euronews running line.

    Why did they save them from the Germans?
    Why did hundreds of thousands of Russian soldiers give their lives?
    1. Avior
      Avior 10 January 2020 23: 42
      0
      Do you think the Germans needed to be left there in Poland?
  25. Elturisto
    Elturisto 11 January 2020 02: 35
    0
    A blacked out worthless little article designed to whitewash traitors-saw cutters. All these 57-mm cannons and Terminators-shit. Better than a BMP-3 combat module in the form of 100mm + 30mm + 7,62 + ATGMs.
  26. storm
    storm 26 February 2020 21: 56
    0
    in the coming year, Russian troops will be replenished with BMP-3s with 57 mm cannons, BMPT Terminator, and BMP-2Ms with 9M133 Kornet ATGMs (Berezhok combat modules).


    Yes, let the Psheks don’t worry, the RF Ministry of Defense for 3 years ordered only 160 new BMP-3s (4 battalion sets), without a 57 mm gun, and replacing the combat modules on the old BMP-2s without reinforcing armor and installing DZ.