“And we still have the old BMP-1 scrap metal”: in Poland, they spoke about new armored vehicles in the Russian Armed Forces

In the Polish military-oriented media, Defense24 published material on the planned delivery of the latest armored vehicles to the Russian Armed Forces in 2020. The author of the article, Mateusz Zilonka, informs Polish readers that in the coming year Russian troops will be replenished with BMP-3s with 57 mm guns, BMPT Terminator, as well as BMP-2Ms with ATGM 9M133 Kornet (Berezhok combat modules).

BMP-3, as noted in the Polish media, is equipped with the latest combat module "Age", which is remotely controlled and allows you to hit a wide range of targets, including armored vehicles - for example, armored personnel carriers of the enemy.

A separate story about BMPT (BMOT) "Terminator", created on the basis of tank T-72A.

Mateusz Zilonka:

These vehicles should provide direct fire support to the Office with anti-tank missile launchers against enemy long-range tanks and with automatic guns against lighter armored targets and manpower at close range.

Material about the rearmament of the Russian army aroused considerable interest among Polish readers. The author was rained with questions. One of them turned out to be devoted to the use of a module with a 57-mm gun.

It seems that the Russians had never produced such a gun before. So this design is made from scratch?

A reader at Defense24 is trying to find out if the weight of the turret is increasing due to the use of higher caliber guns and shells, "which should be provided with an electric drive of greater power?"

From comments:

If the capacity of the ammunition compartments remains the same, then, accordingly, this will affect the ammunition. For ammunition of caliber 57-mm ammunition will be less (than for 30 mm), it will often need to be replenished. Here in general it is necessary to solve a lot of technical problems.

Another reader of the material notes that Russia is constantly improving its armored vehicles, and the Polish leadership, constantly increasing its military budget, is going the wrong way:

You can see how the Russians are developing and modernizing their forces, but what about us? BMP-1, which is an old tin can, scrap metal, and the date of commissioning of the Borsuk armored vehicle has not yet been presented.

Another comment:

It is likely that Russians, after Yugoslavia and the creation of bases in Poland by the Americans, after the development of the situation in Ukraine and attacks in the Middle East, no longer believe in the peaceful message of Western democracies, therefore they rely on military equipment.

Comments

[svp67]

It seems that the Russians had never produced such a gun before. So, is this design made from scratch?

Yes they did, moreover, it was also in service with the Polish Army. Well, now they will not remember about it.

129 ZSU-57-2 delivered from the USSR in the period from 1957 to 1961, removed from service

“And we still have the old BMP-1 can”

Yeah ... what would they say if they knew that the BMP-1 also has plenty ...

[Bar2]

Throw NATO Slavs, here and get new BMP, we will live together to live and gain good.

[evgenii67]

Fuck these psheks surrendered as allies, no-no-no, let's just remain "partners

[Bar2]

Quote: evgenii67

Fuck those psheks surrendered as allies, no-no-no, let's just remain "partners,

our Slav brothers, you Jews need nothing of this.

[evgenii67]

Who says I'm Jewish? But it’s interesting that in the whole history they made good Psheks for Russia? And now they behave like little mongrels from the Baltic states, only this dog will be bigger, but still they have not grown to the USA chain dog.

[hydrox]

That's why they have the status of a small mongrel, that you don’t need to put them on a chain: except that they will tear your pants, and already bite - your gut is thin, you would rather hide under the porch.
If we were with Russia, we could be a NATION, and only a regional Baltic ethnic group would be like that.
And there’s nothing good in the whole history, although someone can recall good moments ...

[jovanni]

Quote: hydrox

although someone can recall good moments ...

I remember! Four troopers and a dog. True, there was one Georgian, and the dog was a German shepherd. In general, this is a movie. Invented ...

[hydrox]

Well, in those times and kina, though invented, but good and kind, filmed and went with a bang, but now what? And who is to blame for this - you understand (as well as to all "ours")? ...

[Paul Siebert]

Yes - a movie invented!
Communicated with real Poles.
It seems that they hate Georgians more than Russians.
At the genetic level.
At least the Psheks could not tell me anything intelligible about the reasons for this hatred ...

[Bar2]

Quote: evgenii67

Who says I'm Jewish? But it’s interesting that in the whole history they made good Psheks for Russia?

if you are Russian, then you should feel sorry for the Russians and other Slavs, no matter what they are now.
It is not the Russian people and Poles / glades who are guilty of misunderstanding and hatred of the Slavic peoples, but the criminal authorities and the Catholic Church, which cultivated all this hatred, however our Russian Orthodox Church is also no better. Here we must overcome this and tear the Poles from the Catholic Church, then Everything will be alright.

[evgenii67]

Sorry for the bee! No one regrets Russia, and in particular Russian. What are you talking about? With Psheks, we can have friendly trade and economic relations on the basis of mutual respect - yes. Although whom am I kidding? Our friendship and brotherhood with anyone is dear to us, so they will not consider us brothers, however, like us they are. Believe me, once we become twin, after a certain time they will betray us or in some garbage they will set us up.

[Romka47]

Slavs brothers yeah, go to the regiment of Azov tell, or in Lviv, tell them that we are brothers ..

[maidan.izrailovich]

our Slavs brothers

With such "brothers" as psheki and enemies are not necessary.

[bars1]

What for relatives such, I’d better be an orphan!

[Fedorovich]

Jews are better than these ... gay Slavs.

[Deathmaker]

These "brothers" consider you cattle. Such friends - and no enemies are needed.

[AllXVahhaB]

Quote: Bar2

our Slav brothers, you Jews need nothing of this.

Good brothers ... There are the Bulgarian brothers, whom we gave the statehood to, fought against us in both world wonders! Maybe enough bullshit to suffer?

[Bar2]

Quote: Bar2

our Slav brothers, you Jews need nothing of this.

from the reviews it’s immediately clear who rules the ball here - these are the Poles who call it -zyd i.e. Jew, that on this site it is forbidden to pronounce Russian.

[Den717]

Quote: Bar2

our Slavs brothers

How long have the Poles become brothers to us. Cain and Abel were also relatives. Who helped?

[Bar2]

Quote: Den717

How long have the Poles become brothers to us. Cain and Abel were also relatives. Who helped?

yes there is a war that has no name, the Slavs are enslaved and divided and set against each other, the Russians and the Slavs must understand this and fight not among themselves to the enemy’s needs, namely against the enemy with the Germans / Jews / Catholics, in short with the West.

[Den717]

Quote: Bar2

Slavs are enslaved and divided and they are set against each other

Do you consider yourself enslaved? ... I do not. Actually, the Germans and I agreed better than the Poles. A heretic is worse than a non-Christian.

[Bar2]

Quote: Den717

Do you consider yourself enslaved? ... I do not. Actually, the Germans and I agreed better than the Poles. A heretic is worse than a non-Christian.

Well, you are probably one of those who feel good everywhere, speak any language, sell your land / homeland and the memory of your ancestors. But they will also get rid of you, because no one needs traitors.

[Den717]

Quote: Bar2

Well, you are probably one of those who feel good everywhere, speak any language, sell your land / homeland and the memory of your ancestors.

What did you draw such a conclusion from, my dear? It seems to me that modern psychiatry can provide assistance adequate to your condition. Do not be shy. Health is more important....

[Bar2]

Quote: Den717

What did you draw such a conclusion from, my dear? It seems to me that modern psychiatry can provide assistance adequate to your condition. Do not be shy. Health is more important....

you have an outlook, like reptiles i.e. a few meters around, you don’t see and don’t see that our land is being sold by a stranger, the USSR has been destroyed, all these small states are hostile to Russia, for example Ukraine, it is ruled by not Russians and not even Slavs, lands are being bought by strange people in Altai.
As for the Poles, it was the same with them only earlier, and even earlier with the Slavs of Germany and the Balkans.
That's it.

[Den717]

Quote: Bar2

you have an outlook, like reptiles i.e. a few meters around

Well, albeit so. And then you are more like a worm - do not look at it - all ...., and even that is lower than the ground level.

[Bar2]

unlike you, I see a story, but there’s nothing to talk about with you ...

[Den717]

Quote: Bar2

unlike you, I see a story, but there’s nothing to talk about with you ...

Seeing what, maybe you see, it is difficult with awareness, like a primary school student. And, yes, there is nothing to talk about ... But if you wish, you can grow up "above yourself" and topics will appear. Judging by how you are eager to offend your interlocutor, you have a long road to perfection.

[Shuttle]

Quote: evgenii67

Fuck these psheks surrendered as allies, no-no-no, let's just remain "partners

... Sometimes they talk in a foreign press that the Red Army has as its goal the extermination of the German people and the destruction of the German state. This, of course, is stupid nonsense and stupid slander against the Red Army. The Red Army does not and cannot have such idiotic goals. The Red Army aims to expel the German occupiers from our country and liberate Soviet land from Nazi invaders. It is very likely that the war for the liberation of Soviet land will lead to the expulsion or destruction of the Hitler clique. We would welcome a similar outcome. But it would be ridiculous to identify Hitler’s clique with the German people, with the German state. The experience of history says that the Hitlers come and go, and the people are German, and the German state remains.
The strength of the Red Army, finally, lies in the fact that it does not and cannot have racial hatred of other peoples, including the German people, that it has been brought up in the spirit of the equal rights of all peoples and races, in the spirit of respect for the rights of other peoples . The racial theory of the Germans and the practice of racial hatred have led all freedom-loving peoples to become enemies of Nazi Germany. The theory of racial equality in the USSR and the practice of respect for the rights of other peoples led to the fact that all freedom-loving peoples became friends of the Soviet Union. This is the strength of the Red Army. That is the weakness of the fascist German army. Sometimes in the foreign press it is said that Soviet people hate Germans, just like Germans, that the Red Army destroys German soldiers, just like Germans, because of hatred for everything German, which is why the Red Army does not capture German soldiers. This, of course, is the same stupid nonsense and stupid slander against the Red Army. The Red Army is free from racial hatred. She is free from such a humiliating feeling, because she was brought up in the spirit of racial equality and respect for the rights of other peoples. We should also not forget that in our country the manifestation of racial hatred is punishable by law ...

Speaking of Poles in Russia.
http://www.odnako.org/blogs/polskiy-vklad-v-velikuyu-rossiyu/

[TermNachTer]

but the psheks have the strongest cavalry in the geyrop, after Bandera’s course.

[Evdokim]

Quote: evgenii67

Fuck these psheks surrendered in

Right. They are catholics, and not what they are not our brothers.

[NEXUS]

Quote: evgenii67

Fuck these psheks surrendered to the allies,

Their helmsmen yes, it’s not necessary for nothing ... but are there people who consider us their brothers Slavs? Also out of sight?

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: NEXUS

.and the people there who consider us their brothers Slavs? Also out of sight?

are they invisible there ??? who do they vote for, who are their representatives in the power structures of Poland ???

[shark]

they are Uniates. When they adopted Catholicism, they refused from Slavism. I would not want to make money with such kind of good.

[Flooding]

Quote: shark

they are Uniates. When they adopted Catholicism, they refused from Slavism.

I beg you, well, do not hang on the Poles too much. They have enough of their sins.
Uniates are Greek Catholics. And the Poles are Catholics.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Flood

And the Poles are Catholics.

atheists they are ungrateful !!!

[Flooding]

Quote: Nikolai the Greek

atheists they are ungrateful !!!

Will you be from the priests?

[Fuse angel]

This is not destined to happen, the Poles are our historical rivals, have been at enmity with them for centuries and for centuries we have occupied their lands (in their opinion), so this is already so easy for our peoples in our national memory to not get rid of. Moreover, we will never have equal friendship with them.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Guardian Angel

Poles are our historical rivals

if current a long time ago !!! right now do you really think they are worthy rivals ??? in case of serious "hipish" they will be crushed and practically not noticed !!!

[Lone gunman]

This "vagina" works exclusively for accepting bills and biomaterials ...

[Alex 2020]

The Poles have never been reliable and good friends. Always on their own or with those from whom they can benefit from at a lower cost.

[Deathmaker]

I note - not for any country.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Bar2

throw nato slavs

of them the Slavs, as Izzzzzz ................ !!!

[BAI]

The first thought was about her too. And there was self-propelled guns ASU-57. Self-propelled gun for the Airborne.

[venik]

[quote = BAI] And there was also an ACS-57 self-propelled gun. Self-propelled gun for the Airborne Forces.
========
You would remember about ZIS-2!

By the way, it was on the basis of exactly the ZIS-2 that the gun for the ASU-57 was created! Unlike the C-60 (ZU-57-2), which became the prototype for modern systems!

[kupitman]

and there was a ZIS-2 57mm

[Kurare]

Quote: svp67

Yes they did, moreover, it was also in service with the Polish Army.

In fact, the Epoch module has a 57 mm low ballistic automatic cannon LSHO-57 (AGS-57). If I am not mistaken, the shell is the same, but the cannon is a new development.

Perhaps these are the Poles, and meant that we are moving further, and they want to spend money on wunderwaffes like F-35.

[AlexVas44]

Quote: svp67

Well, now they will not remember about it.

Apparently the memory of former associates is selective. As of 2017, 224 S-60 anti-aircraft systems with 57mm anti-aircraft guns AZP-57 had.

[Vlad.by]

Well, the ZSU-57-2 is not exactly the gun that the Derivations

[carstorm 11]

last 500 pieces. the main is BMP 2 of them more than 3000

[Alexander Petrov1]

Yes, you have Poland, besides American corn and apples, there is nothing of your own and never will be.

[Tank hard]

It is likely that русские after Yugoslavia and the creation of American bases in Poland, after the development of the situation in Ukraine and attacks in the Middle East no longer believe in the peaceful message of Western democracies, therefore rely on military equipment.

Masterpiece conclusion ...

[bessmertniy]

By the way, Poland today refers to the same Western democracies, and not to the CMEA countries and the Warsaw Pact. And in its confrontation with Russia, a certain place is assigned. But, indeed, it could maintain normal relations with our country and be friendly, not hostile. .

[Tank hard]

Quote: bessmertniy

But, indeed, it could maintain normal relations with our country and be friendly, not hostile

It’s not possible, they have such a character, remember the story.

[hydrox]

It was for their character that they got the whole story: they, in principle, do not accept the concept of "good-neighborly relations" - in Pshekowski, if you do not have money to buy off it, then you are weak.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: bessmertniy

could maintain normal relations with our country and be friendly, not hostile.

to maintain the norms of the relationship, it must be sovereign, including in terms of the economy !!! As the practice of the last couple of decades has shown, the Polish economy is the creation of its “roofing” side !!!

[Mavrikiy]

"And we still have an old BMP-1 tin can"

Pshekam "cans" are contraindicated. Or they will cut their hands, or ... they will cut them off. Temperament.

[Vladimir_2U]

I watch the series "Scrap Metal Workers" about Polish hard workers, and so they Lölek and Bolek are certainly smarter, but four tankers are already inferior in this regard.

[rocket757]

Normal re-equipment in accordance with modern requirements.

It seems that the Russians had never produced such a gun before. So, is this design made from scratch?

And here is a mistake. This caliber was used. Anti-tank ZIS 2, installed on the T 34, anti-aircraft guns such as "hellish thresher" for example. There is operating experience.

[beeper]

In fact, in the fighting compartment of the BMP-3, there are not only 30 mm shells, but also ammunition for a 100 mm gun (so there is room for 57 mm shells of a new combat module) - do the Poles don’t know this ?!
Of the well-known Soviet cannons of the PTO ZiS-2 of WWII, and the Polish Army allied to us, they were in service. How, probably, did they have the Soviet anti-aircraft gun mounts S-60 (based on the AZP-57 gun) and ZSU 57-2 based on the T-54 tank ?!
And on the Polish ships of the Soviet era, destroyers, watchdogs and minesweepers, weren’t there Soviet 57-mm anti-aircraft (and universal) gun mounts ZIF-31; 74; 75 (and on the post-war, the most numerous, Soviet diesel submarines of the 613 project, at the beginning 57-mm gun mounts were placed?) ??!
So, the 57-mm caliber was fully mastered and was widely used in the USSR!
Something "ambitious", our former "allies" in the VD, a very bad "opinion of the Russians" and our multinational Soviet Union ??!
Although, I see, there are quite realistic ones among them ?!

[Cananecat]

There is not a bad opinion about us, but rather the lack of information on weapons. Not only promising, but also present and filmed. As they say, the topic of the system is not disclosed. The Polish author scored a certain number of characters exclusively for mercantile purposes, without studying the issue.

[beeper]

About authors of articles, comrade Canecat, not only Polish, this is a separate conversation ...
After all, and the audience Polish of readers-commentators, as we can see from this ultra-small "sample", they manifest themselves as ugly doldons, who simply do not know even the latest (very recent) history of their own armed forces and weapons, completely lazy to independently "google" on the Web ?!

[hydrox]

And on the other hand: did the pshek ever have something of their own? After all, even the shipbuilding of the "shallow sea fleet" they took up only when Stalin handed them Gdansk and all their products were of poor quality tracing paper from the Reich Kriegs Marina. And when the logs designated themselves as trendsetters for the CMEA, they completely abandoned military engineering.

[5-9]

The problem is that a 57-mm high ballistic projectile is almost the size of a 100-mm low projectile, of which there are 3 pieces in the BMP-22.

[beeper]

I completely agree with you, comrade aka 5-9!
In terms of the axial dimension-length of unitary artillery shots (in common parlance for tankers - "unitar", sent to the breech of the gun, literally - "one left", and especially burdensome had to "nurse" with 115 mm in the T-62, after which, too heavy and oversized, 100-mm artillery round for the D-10T-2C T-55 (-54) was recalled with nostalgia, so, not to mention the 100-mm "shorty" for the standard BMP-3 cannon, the "Unitar" 57- mm completely "toy" of some kind, according to our "tankist concepts"! ), but not the largest diameter of the sleeve!
Nevertheless, the projected full ammunition, as far as I know, is 148 (?) 57-mm artillery rounds.
And 20 minutes is the standard for loading ammunition and refueling with coolant for a cannon from a wheeled TPM (based on the Ural 4320-18010-30 chassis).

[Flooding]

Shot like a machine gun. And all in a bullseye. It inspires.

[Old tanker]

Most likely, this module has auger ammunition stowage as in the same type "Derivation - Air Defense".

[knn54]

Envy does not color.

[Strashila]

Strange statements, the Poles are constantly for the Ukrainian overpower that stir.

[Amateur]

Are the Poles seriously going to fight with the Russian Federation? Or is it just "show-off from a cheap dude"?

[shark]

Poles, this is the case when the show-offs are gradually hallucinating into reality. But the reality of this does not become

[hydrox]

It's not even show-off: here he is talking about military engineering, but he is completely unfamiliar with the technical side of military affairs, this side simply never interested him, but I WANT to tell him about military-political topics, as grown-up guys do - so he copies them, not understanding the meanings, connections, messages and conclusions under the main political thesis: "The country of Central Europe must either command others or lie under someone else" - there is no other option.
And look at at least the 300-year history of Central Europe - isn't that so? And already the 20th century - it is generally clinically indicative in this regard ...

[Ros 56]

So we will not sell new equipment to Poles. Anyway, let them bark because of the fence, soon they will also be cut off financing as tribalts, it will be all right and Trump will bill them 4% of GDP for NATO. Let them bark.

[hydrox]

The NATs will not be there: Trump’s logs were demanded that he put a division of the whole squad to them - and when Trump does this, he will leave the Poles without pants at all.
Or did they decide to stir it up to refresh the lochtorate rock?

[cniza]

It is likely that Russians, after Yugoslavia and the creation of bases in Poland by the Americans, after the development of the situation in Ukraine and attacks in the Middle East, no longer believe in the peaceful message of Western democracies, therefore they rely on military equipment.

The most sensible comment, and most importantly, reflects the whole point of what is happening ...

[hydrox]

In my opinion, we have been absorbing this promise without even noticing it for twenty years with every sip of the drink ...

[cniza]

We then yes, but it sounds very unexpected from the Poles ...

[hydrox]

Is it so unexpected?
After all, not all logs of Russophobia, among them sane Poles are found (though very few) ...

[cniza]

There are a lot of people among the people, but this voice was not released into the public sphere, from the word at all.

[Awt]

Maybe they finally have some sobering up from rainbow fantasies? They may understand that the Naglosaks need them only as a wedge between Germany and Russia, and if there is suddenly no Russia, then the Poles will no longer need. Naglosaksa again easily surrender them at the first opportunity.

[hydrox]

Not the case: such a sobering comes with the advent of KNOWLEDGE about things and phenomena, but not at all with the falsification of history.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: hydrox

Is it so unexpected?
After all, not all logs of Russophobia, among them sane Poles are found (though very few) ...

in Nazi Germany it was the same !!! have to judge by real action !!!

[Nikolai Grek]

Here is another confirmation of the inadequacy of these yblyudok !!!

The Sejm of Poland has equalized the responsibility of Germany and the USSR for the outbreak of war

The parliament condemned statements in which the Russian authorities allegedly “try to hold Poland responsible for starting the Second World War”, noting that “the greatness of a nation and relations between states cannot be built on lies and falsification of history”.

https://news.mail.ru/politics/40137345/?frommail=1

They call themselves great, wimps !!!

[hydrox]

Yes, we wanted to spit on the decisions of this wood Diet!
The whole question is HOW TO MAKE THEM smash your stupid little cats on the floor and repent, repent and repent in front of our grandfathers, who prevented this from becoming a home compost.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: hydrox

Yes, we wanted to spit on the decisions of this wood Diet!

I would not be so optimistic ... do you think the events of June 41 were organized by such an unexpected person ??? just such yu bastards, a few years before the 41st they threw a bunch (like yesterday from psheks), which ultimately led to WWII and WWII !!! right now this gang is going in the same direction !!!

[hydrox]

This is not excessive optimism, it is real: they would WANT to go, but they don’t have the strength: they would also WANT to crush Russia, but they don’t have unity: they can’t SEE us, but there’s where to put their eyes, if they still watching?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

It is likely that Russians, after Yugoslavia and the creation of bases in Poland by the Americans, after the development of the situation in Ukraine and attacks in the Middle East, no longer believe in the peaceful message of Western democracies, therefore they rely on military equipment.

And there is.

[Star Destroyer]

Yes, for heaven’s sake, let them increase defense spending by 2 times, to Russians 3,9% of GDP, and then in the bright future there could be in the series both BMP3 with a 57m gun, and “terminators” in the army and already BMP2 “take care "... or maybe they won’t.
A funny article actually.

[L-39NG]

Well, you see, "NATO is raising defense spending" to 3,9% of the Russian GDP. "Nonsense, we are in no hurry to raise even up to 2%, or very, very gradually, or even, in general, like that. Well, maybe over time, and the need will disappear?
I hope the meaning is clear.

[KrokodilGena]

Quote: L-39NG

Nonsense, we, even up to 2%, are not in a hurry to raise it, or very, very gradually

Only in% of Russia's GDP spends at least 2,5 times more than the average in NATO, more than 5%, and this is not counting some closed articles and defense spending programs.

[fruit_cake]

"Europe's second economy" cannot create, okay, at least buy new BMPs?

[ultra]

Quote: L-39NG

maybe over time. And the need will disappear?
I hope the meaning is clear.

And do not hope that if it disappears, then it does not make sense, but something else. There has never been any sense.

[peter rusin_2]

To produce modern armored vehicles, it’s not your business to trade apples))

[Astronaut]

they no longer believe in the peaceful message of Western democracies, so they rely on military equipment.

Wow, it comes as a giraffe, but it’s good that it did.

[honest people]

I do not understand how Poles are metal poles in the form of BMP 1 is very different from our scrap metal in the form of BMP, 1,2

[Awt]

How is the BMP-1? Doesn't NATO membership mean automatically throwing away all the Soviet "trash" and equipping the army with imperial droids, plasma guns and exoskeletons?

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Bar2

Throw NATO Slavs, here and get new BMP, we will live together to live and gain good.

Throw, but for a different reason. We don’t need you as a dog’s fifth leg. No one will contact you anymore.

[Tarasios]

a little clarification: the title of the article "... old scrap metal BMP-1" ... is a clipping from the commentary of a Pole, which is given at the very end of the article. While the comment itself indicates the BWP-1 machine. According to my habit, I climbed to rummage in the Internet and clarify for myself.
So that's it. This is "practically" BMP-1, but not quite:
"BWP-1 is a Polish modification of the BMP-1, manufactured under license." (from Wiki). Specialists will tell you more precisely what the differences are.

[iouris]

So, it is necessary to increase the budget of the war once in five. Essentially, you have to tighten your belt for about fifteen years. And everything will appear !.

[Jurkovs]

I have a question. Is that what’s in the photo, is it really an infantry fighting vehicle or a self-propelled gun?

[Vadim01]

I will reveal a military secret: The basis of armor in the Russian Federation for 2020 is the same scrap metal in the form of BMP-2 and BTR-80.

[KrokodilGena]

Quote: Vadim01

I will tell you a military secret: the basis of armor in the Russian Federation for 2020 is the same scrap metal in the form of BMP-2 and BTR-80.

And all these derivations and eras, as there were not in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, are not present, for some reason they are alarmed. What does the Poles themselves may not have Puma, but they are armed with the Rozomak BTR, with the Spike ATGMs and a programmable 30mm BK, as well as the 30mm sub-caliber armored shells that are 11 holes armored for departure. In Russia, so far, even at exhibitions and parades there was no 4th generation ATGM, just as there was no modern BK line for 30mm guns, no.

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: Bar2

our Slav brothers, you Jews need nothing of this.

What kind of brothers are they?
Today your "brothers" from the Polish Sejm have entrusted the responsibility for unleashing 2 MV to the Third Reich and the USSR.
by Euronews running line.

Why did they save them from the Germans?
Why did hundreds of thousands of Russian soldiers give their lives?

[Avior]

Do you think the Germans needed to be left there in Poland?

[Elturisto]

A blacked out worthless little article designed to whitewash traitors-saw cutters. All these 57-mm cannons and Terminators-shit. Better than a BMP-3 combat module in the form of 100mm + 30mm + 7,62 + ATGMs.

[storm]

in the coming year, Russian troops will be replenished with BMP-3s with 57 mm cannons, BMPT Terminator, and BMP-2Ms with 9M133 Kornet ATGMs (Berezhok combat modules).

Yes, let the Psheks don’t worry, the RF Ministry of Defense for 3 years ordered only 160 new BMP-3s (4 battalion sets), without a 57 mm gun, and replacing the combat modules on the old BMP-2s without reinforcing armor and installing DZ.