High Precision Flurry: In the US, on Damage from Iran's Missile Strike

High Precision Flurry: In the US, on Damage from Iran's Missile Strike

Experts began to study the means of destruction used by Iran in the attack on US bases in Iraq, and inspect the "crime scene", studying the damage caused to military infrastructure.


Means of defeat


According to the Tactic cell, two types of missiles were involved in the attack on Al-Assad and Al-Anbar: Qiam-1 and Zulfiqar.

Qiam-1 is an improved version of the “Scud” - the designation in NATO of the Soviet liquid single-stage ballistic missile R-17, adopted in service in the USSR in 1962. The Iranian version received a guidance system. It has a caliber of 880 mm, a range of 800 km, a flight altitude of 195 km, the mass of the warhead is 750 kg

Zulfiqar replenished the arsenal of Iran only in 2016. This self-guided missile is believed to be an improved modification of the Fateh-110, the first solid-propellant operational-tactical missile of its own design. The lesion distance in the 610 mm Zulfiqar is 700 km, the warhead weight is 450 kg [according to other sources - 579 kg].




"Not everything is good"


The American edition of NPR examined the results of the use of these products from satellite photographs at its disposal, and made a disappointing conclusion:

The Iranian missile strike caused significant damage to the Ain al-Assad air base in Iraq.


As indicated, "hangars and buildings are visible that were badly damaged by a flurry of Iranian missiles that were fired early Wednesday morning." There are also destruction at Al Anbar base, where at least five buildings were damaged, which, apparently, indicates sufficient accuracy weaponsable to hit individual buildings.

Some of the affected objects look like rockets hit the center

- explains expert David Schmerler.

According to him, it is possible that the goals for which the blow was struck were chosen so as to avoid loss of life. Affected buildings, apparently, were designed to accommodate aviation.

According to expert Tom Karako, if Tehran had other goals, the consequences would be completely different, especially given the accuracy of the hits.

At the same time, the head of the White House, Donald Trump, was positive in his tweets after the attack, as well as in an appeal to the nation on Wednesday in which he announced minimal damage to military infrastructure. This caused outrage at NPR:

Soon after, President Trump said in an optimistic tweet: “Everything's fine!”




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  1. Finches 9 January 2020 06: 40 New
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    In the armed confrontation between Iran and the United States, Iraq suffered the most ... laughing Now the phrase: "Sleep the inhabitants of Baghdad! Everything is calm in Baghdad!" is gaining relevance again!
    1. Same lech 9 January 2020 06: 44 New
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      One Indian is less than one is more ... what's the difference ... the US Sheriff doesn’t care much ... but if the rockets hit Trump or Bolton’s head it would be more painful for the USA.
      1. Pike 9 January 2020 07: 49 New
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        It seems that through Qatar, the United States sent a request to Iran for a limited strike. Then it’s clear the non-use of air defense, the “absence” of victims, and Trump’s consent to a peaceful response in the form of sanctions.
        At the same time, the world was surprised twice: Iran decided, and the United States swallowed.
        1. bar
          bar 9 January 2020 09: 02 New
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          One thing is not clear in this "multi-port" - why all this had to be started and why kill Sulejmani?
          1. Doliva63 9 January 2020 10: 17 New
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            Quote: bar
            One thing is not clear in this "multi-port" - why all this had to be started and why kill Sulejmani?

            It's just that no one has yet rejected the likelihood that Suleimani actually turned up by the arm by chance.
            1. bar
              bar 9 January 2020 10: 20 New
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              Like rockets flew somewhere and accidentally got into a moving car? Why reject this incredible "probability"?
              1. Doliva63 9 January 2020 10: 35 New
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                Quote: bar
                Like rockets flew somewhere and accidentally got into a moving car? Why reject this incredible "probability"?

                No. Type shot at the first target. For prevention, so to speak. If they had known that Suleimani was there, they would have fired anyway, probably, but the main thing is that they didn’t know, that is, it was not a deliberate destruction, about which they informed Iran. And he doesn’t need a big war either. So everyone beat the death of the general with benefit for himself, but without consequences.
                1. bar
                  bar 9 January 2020 10: 40 New
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                  Quote: Doliva63
                  No. Type shot at the first target. For prevention, so to speak.

                  Well, this is generally prohibitive stupidity, even nothing to discuss.
                2. Serzh 9 January 2020 11: 12 New
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                  It is more likely that Trump was framed, expecting a quicker and more emotional reaction from the hot Persians. To draw America into wars with a battle-worthy country now is to bury Trump unequivocally - he is already impeached, and if zinc flew to the states, the impeachment would most likely have taken place. And they would have flown, had Iran responded sharply and painfully. After all the statements, there wouldn’t be any options - I would have to fight. Then they would have eaten him with giblets ...
                  Another option is negotiable between Iran and the states. Oddly enough, but the ayatollahs themselves might be interested in intimidating Suleymani - he gained too much weight in the country and those in power could feel danger from him - he was quite sharp. To the states, this is the Iranian general who was already sitting in the liver - he really did a lot of dirty tricks to the Americans. A coincidence of interests, an agreement - it’s the exact info from the amers about the general’s movement. In addition - before the blow I saw a video with an empty American base.
                  For the first option, it says that after striking a significant figure in another country that can answer, they did not bother to calculate the options - their aircraft carrier was reachable for Iranian missiles. There were no reinforcements anywhere - the troops added after, the aircraft carrier also draped later. Perhaps they hoped that they would shy away in full and sink / try to sink the aircraft carrier. If they drowned, Trump would have gone to the bottom immediately with him. Let me remind you that impeachment hovered halfway to the Senate. Weren't they waiting for this ??? And yet - almost immediately there were reports that this action was carried out by personal order of Trump. Healthy, isn't it? Immediately the guilty one was named ....
                  1. NordUral 9 January 2020 12: 44 New
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                    Oddly enough, but the ayatollahs themselves might be interested in intimidating Suleymani - he gained too much weight in the country and those in power could feel danger from him - he was quite sharp. To the states, this is the Iranian general who was already sitting in the liver - he really did a lot of dirty tricks to the Americans.

                    The top ones all over the world have long been branded. And there is nothing unbelievable in such a conspiracy.
                    I watched Trump's speech yesterday (with a translation of which),
                    so he is in some awesomeness. Most likely that he was really framed.
                    So we will fly away to paradise once after another setup of supreme morons.
                  2. Vadmir 9 January 2020 14: 00 New
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                    Oddly enough, but the ayatollahs themselves might be interested in intimidating Suleymani - he gained too much weight in the country and those in power could feel danger from him - he was quite sharp.
                    All people are mortal, it could be removed in a bunch of different ways. Why resort to such an unreliable and dangerous method and become the debtor of his enemy? Why does the Iranian leadership need extra sanctions? This version is not consistent.
                    It is more likely that Trump was framed, expecting a quicker and more emotional reaction from the hot Persians. To drag America into wars with a battle-worthy country now is to bury Trump
                    It’s easier to agree with this, it explains a lot.
                    But there is another version, in my opinion, explaining even more - Trump gave the order to eliminate Suleimani without knowing anything about this figure and its popularity in Iran, for him it was another "terrorist" whom the Americans themselves and Israel kill in batches in Syria and Iraq. Iran’s reaction turned out to be a surprise for Trump, for a war that cannot become a "small victorious", he does not seek and is not ready, not in the election year. Hence a reaction that may cost Trump re-election, but leaves little chance, the war would not leave any chances.
                    1. Filxnumx 9 January 2020 22: 11 New
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                      Trump gave the order to eliminate Suleimani without knowing anything about this figure

                      But was he informed of the surname? Trump is not alone in the middle of the White House. And so back to the version of SerEzh (Sergey) with a setup bully
                  3. Oyo Sarkazmi 9 January 2020 15: 03 New
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                    Quote: SerEzh
                    Another option is negotiable between Iran and the states.

                    Yeah, an agreement. They banged not only the Iranian, but also the deputy commander of 100 thousand armed groups. This is when you are sitting at home with a gun, and a friend comes and shoots your son.
                    Now, not only Iran’s response is important. How the Shiites of Iraq will react. And they are pulled together to the bases, and with Katyushas. On the Green Zone scorching, not shy. The only thing that delays is low mobility. But sooner or later they will block the entire infrastructure of military operations. You will have to forget about fun in torture.
                  4. bk316 9 January 2020 19: 18 New
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                    If they drowned, Trump would have gone to the bottom immediately with him.

                    A lot of garbage has been written these days, but this is true. If Iran floods the aircraft carrier - Khan Trump, and indeed the heads will fly. EVEN HERE ON IN many who will become uncomfortable laughing
          2. major147 9 January 2020 11: 20 New
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            Quote: bar
            One thing is not clear in this "multi-port" - why all this had to be started and why kill Sulejmani?

            So they first did, then they think what to do with it. In general, the goal has been achieved, impeachment voting has been canceled.
            1. bar
              bar 9 January 2020 11: 27 New
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              With impeachment in Trump in the Senate, and so there were no problems, there was no reason to fence a garden with an unpredictable result. It’s good that the Persians turned out to be wiser, but there could be anything.
            2. Oyo Sarkazmi 9 January 2020 15: 09 New
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              Quote: major147
              So they first did, then they think what to do with it.

              Habit. Native American farmer shoots - an American court of jury farmers and judge. And they didn’t think that this crime would be considered by the people, not at all blown up to the reservations.
              In general, the Atas - Kurds in the north are loyal to the United States, but from the side of Turkey - a blockade. To the south - the enraged Shiites. Logistics is cracking at the seams. This is not a Saddam regime, blocked on all sides. Here again, one hundred thousandth army is needed. And the Strait of Hormuz is in the hands of Iran, shot by ordinary cannons.
          3. Captain Pushkin 9 January 2020 14: 24 New
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            Quote: bar
            One thing is not clear in this "multi-port" - why all this had to be started and why kill Sulejmani?

            Suleimani, not the beginning, this is one of the climaxes. The start of the operation should take, at first glance, a stupid undertaking - the bombing of the US pro-Iranian militia in Iraq and Syria.
            There are options.
            1. A part of those who made the decision on this multi-way, in the finals, expected a full-scale war. Does Trump need it before the election?
            2. Some of those "decided" were looking for a reason for the withdrawal of American troops from the region. Moreover, part of the score was written for playing in two pairs of hands. This is closer to the withdrawal of troops from the region announced by Trump
            If this is the case, the latter obviously outplayed the former.
            1. bar
              bar 9 January 2020 14: 32 New
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              The start of the operation should take, at first glance, a stupid undertaking - the bombing of the US pro-Iranian militia in Iraq and Syria.

              Well, the Jews regularly engage in this stupid undertaking, but things didn’t reach the shelling of Israel.
          4. Morris812 10 January 2020 08: 03 New
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            To get a good reason to dump from Iraq and Afghanistan. Trump promised to withdraw - Trump fulfills)
          5. CYM
            CYM 10 January 2020 22: 34 New
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            In Iran, Suleymani was too popular among the people (saw the funeral?), And therefore dangerous for the ruling elite. Here it is technically and slipped to slaughter by the Americans. As a result, Suleimani was a martyr, the Iranian people rallied around the rulers, and even as a bonus, the Americans allowed them to shoot missiles at empty hangars. Why was it Trump? Pre-election PR, moreover, it seems he himself has not yet decided on the image, whether he is a hawk-protector, or a dove of peace. As an option, Trump was stupidly set up by the special services and the military, and he accepted responsibility for their initiative so that he would not be accused of lack of control. In addition, oil has risen in price, which is completely satisfied with Iran and the United States.
        2. mikh-korsakov 9 January 2020 09: 31 New
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          The behavior of the Iranian authorities personally caused me surprise and admiration, firstly, for the capabilities of Iranian intelligence, which provided information about the exact location of objects at the bases; I think that America kept secret satellite images of its base in relation to the coordinates, but Russia and China probably didn’t provide it - secondly, it’s necessary, secondly, with technical capabilities of positioning that ensured the accuracy of the strike, and thirdly, with the art of Iranian diplomacy: Iran managed to take revenge, to show that Iran is by no means a "paper tiger" and to get itself out of attack - as for sanctions - Iran has been sanctioned for decades and the ways to overcome them have been debugged. We would be so-we are humiliated, and we chew snot in response, except for the response to the sarcasm of Ms. Zakharova.
          1. Sergey1987 9 January 2020 10: 42 New
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            Quote: mikh-korsakov
            We would be so-we are humiliated, and we chew snot in response, except for the response to the sarcasm of Ms. Zakharova.

            And do not tell us what needs to be done and what actions, and when and in what they humiliate us?
            1. mikh-korsakov 9 January 2020 11: 29 New
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              Sergei! I tell you: the unprovoked deportation of diplomats and the closure of the consulate in an insulting manner - in response - an invitation to the Christmas tree, shameless interference in our internal affairs - Magnitsky’s act - in response to slurred whining, investigation of corruption ties of Putin’s circle - if they exist, is none of their business. What is the answer? At least mirror measures to investigate the corruption of Obama’s environment - then Trump. I am sure that there will be a public exposure. The creation of the act of Butina, a citizen of the Russian Federation, with the publication of the names and personal data of those responsible for moral torture - including the investigation - whether the perpetrators are shareholders of companies operating in Russia. Investigation of the actions of US authorities that ensured unfair competition for US gas transmission companies in the gas market. Recognition of the US Mifin as a sponsor of unfair competition. You say it is funny. Iran recognized the Pentagon as a terrorist organization - let's see who will laugh as a result - but Trump tempered the ardor.
            2. NordUral 9 January 2020 12: 51 New
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              I will say that I am disgusted and humiliating, in contrast to the power of "ours." This is an impudent and indicative weaning of the aluminum industry and power generation, payment of 3 yards of greenery to the fucked zapadents by the "national treasure", the defeat of our sport. Yes, many more examples can be given. The real greatness of a great power, isn't it, Sergey1987?
          2. DymOk_v_dYmke 9 January 2020 10: 43 New
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            Quote: mikh-korsakov
            The behavior of the Iranian authorities personally caused me surprise and admiration, firstly, for the capabilities of Iranian intelligence, which provided information about the exact location of objects at the bases; I think that America kept secret satellite images of its base with reference to the coordinates, but the Russian Federation and China probably didn’t provide it - what for, ...

            But the states within the framework of the “agreement” could provide.
          3. voyaka uh 9 January 2020 16: 28 New
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            "providing information on the exact location of objects on the bases;" ///
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            Well, Iran’s intelligence wasn’t banned in Google laughing , looked at Google Maps, circled in pencil. They took aim at the American GPS.
            They shot accurately: not a single American citizen was killed.
            But one helicopter is damaged by fragments - this is a mess, who will repair it? smile
            1. Sanichsan 10 January 2020 13: 04 New
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              Quote: voyaka uh
              They shot accurately: not a single American citizen was killed.

              right? no one? do you also believe in chemical weapons in Iraq? laughing
          4. Astronaut 10 January 2020 01: 13 New
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            secondly, the technical capabilities of positioning - ensuring the accuracy of striking

            And you do not consider the version of the kamikaze gunner, who highlighted the target?
        3. meandr51 9 January 2020 16: 40 New
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          They actually have no air defense.
        4. major147 9 January 2020 18: 55 New
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          Quote: Pike
          At the same time, the world was surprised twice: Iran decided, and the United States swallowed.

          Such a "version" from the Web:

          China: (buying up oil wells and negotiating with Iraqis to rebuild Iraq) - "Amelicans go to the bridle of the lady! Come on, come on!"
          Americans: (counting how much time is left before the Big Economic Star) - "Yes, we were already going, but here we built several objects for us to denyuzhku for them ...."
          Iraqi: (storming the US embassy) "There is no dollar! Glory to the heroes! Yankees gohoma! Allahu Akbar"
          Americans: "Your mother .... okay" (collecting clothes) "well, just money, then we will gouge everything that we built. As part of the fight against corruption" (they rockets at their airport, the road to it and their anti-terrorism center )
          Iran: "Your" parent No. 1 ", sons of the jackals! So that the shaitan lifts you up and does not lower you!"
          Americans: "What is it? Do you want something cho ???"
          Iran: "the children of camels! The rights to rockets for fat were bought! Where do you beat! You killed our general!"
          Americans: (conferring) "female dogs! ...."
          Iran: “We will have 80 million martyrs here now. Let's decide something”
          Americans: "you need to calm them down, turn the circus, but for now we will prepare the excuse"
          Iran: (raises a red flag, muezzins yell, paper crosses are glued on windows ....)
          Americans: "there are two empty bases left next to you, coordinates 2876282: 38 34834474: 64 from 22-30 to 23-10 hit there. Only more accurate"
          Iran: "ALLA I AM TO THE BAR !!! SACREDLY REVENGE !! DEATH THE AMERICANS UALLAAAAAAAaaaAAAA"
          Americans: "Our bases are attacked by ballistic missiles !!! Air defense is working! We are not sleeping !!!"
          Amerov’s air defense: "press ?? This? Here? Who is in charge? Where is my stake? Press this button of a soldier! SIR-EU-SIR !!"
          Ukrosamolet: "What hehe ...."
          Americans: "The American forces are the strongest forces stronger than the Americans themselves, and Iran will be terribly punished by sanctions !!"
          Ukrosamolet: "....."
          Iran: facepalm ... ..
          VesMir: (wiping cold sweat) "Fuuuuh ....
        5. smart ass 10 January 2020 06: 10 New
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          As a result, the states killed the general, and Iran broke the aircraft hangar, is the exchange equivalent?
          1. Michael HORNET 10 January 2020 08: 55 New
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            Equivalent. These generals have a carriage in any country, and the ability to UNPUNCHLY launch a missile attack on US bases, even if without destroying personnel, is worth more than one general)
            Imagine - Russia would give one of its 28-year-old talented generals to the Sultan’s harem, and in return would receive the right to smash the Inzherlik base into chips)))
    2. igordok 9 January 2020 07: 20 New
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      And how did American missile defense bases in Romania and Poland show themselves? recourse As far as I remember, they were built to intercept Iranian missiles. belay smile
      1. alexmach 9 January 2020 09: 38 New
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        And how did American missile defense bases in Romania and Poland show themselves?

        I applaud .. Probably because they didn’t bring down anything because they were built in Poland and Romania.
    3. den3080 9 January 2020 07: 23 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      One Indian is less than one is more ... what's the difference ... the US Sheriff doesn’t care much ... but if the rockets hit Trump or Bolton’s head it would be more painful for the USA.

      Trump needs to show this passage :)) although ... maybe he already watched a whole movie in a Russian intelligence school laughing
      1. Freeman 9 January 2020 08: 52 New
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        den3080 Today, 07:23
        Trump needs to show this passage :)) though ... maybe he already watched a whole movie, in a Russian intelligence school laughing


        Well, if only as an example, how not to hold meetings in a safe house.
        / - Agents are felling in a crowd, chanting the password together - "Everything is calm in Baghdad." / laughing
    4. Bar2 9 January 2020 07: 47 New
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      that’s the whole war, well, if Tehran doesn’t want anything else, then that’s it.
      1. Nyrobsky 9 January 2020 10: 51 New
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        Quote: Bar2
        this is the whole warWell, if Tehran doesn’t want anything else, then that’s it.
        If you evaluate the outcome of "this and the whole war" in the complex of the results, then Iran emerged victorious.
        10 funnels at an American base are far from all indicators. Iran has achieved a change in the status of the American contingent in Iraq and a decision by the Iraqi parliament to withdraw the mattress troops, which also leads to the withdrawal of mattresses from Syria, as they were supplied through Iraq. Iran has completely withdrawn from the treaty to limit the development of nuclear weapons and resumed work on uranium enrichment. The United States filed an application to the UN Security Council on readiness for negotiations with Iran without preconditions. Now mattresses cannot “scare” Iran with the passages of its aircraft carriers. The result of the accuracy of rocket attacks on individual buildings reinforces the fears of mattresses that it will fly quite accurately on aircraft carriers. Regardless of whether there was or wasn’t an agreement that Iranian missiles would fly on a mattress base without prejudice to airborne vehicles, potential consumers of American air defense systems were very tempted to choose Russian ones. Well, the image losses of the United States are difficult to even evaluate and can be called in one word - they were offended, and all over the world.
        1. Vadmir 9 January 2020 14: 11 New
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          Well, the image losses of the United States are difficult to even evaluate and can be called in one word - they were offended, and all over the world.
          I agree with your conclusion, therefore, all versions promoted by many are not viable about the “agreement”. An agreement concluded in his right mind and without a barrel at the back of his head cannot be so disadvantageous to one of the contracting parties.
          Iran could warn of a strike to minimize the consequences, nothing more.
    5. Evil543 9 January 2020 08: 12 New
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      "According to him, it is possible that the targets for which the blow was struck were chosen so as to avoid the death of people. Affected buildings, most likely, were intended to accommodate aircraft."

      Iran turned out to be more humane than the lights bearing democracy. hi
    6. Siberia 75 9 January 2020 08: 24 New
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      Quote: Finches
      In the armed confrontation between Iran and the United States, Iraq suffered the most.

      So Iraq is what suffered? Maybe on the contrary, striped things will be packed and dumped faster.
      1. alexmach 9 January 2020 09: 39 New
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        Well, they have already promised sanctions.
        1. Siberia 75 9 January 2020 11: 04 New
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          Sanctions will soon become a meme.
          Iraq is the second country in terms of grain consumption, after Egypt in the region. In 2013, the United States banned the supply of Russian food to Iraq, in its favor, of course. A month ago, our first ship with a test batch of wheat went there. In the words of Vinipuh - This is Zhzhzh not casual.
    7. Win1945 9 January 2020 08: 36 New
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      I see you overly fun.
  2. Vladimir_2U 9 January 2020 06: 41 New
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    I'm interested in everything, GPS or Glonass was used, or something else?
    1. Andrey.AN 9 January 2020 13: 50 New
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      Maybe someone just put a couple of beacons near the base.
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        Or maybe they just blew up the charges, and gave out for missiles? The hangars were painfully neatly demolished.)
  3. Sergey Ui 9 January 2020 06: 41 New
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    The Iranians are great, they didn’t. It’s been a long time since anyone would allow such insolence to attack Amer’s bases
    1. Same lech 9 January 2020 06: 47 New
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      smile
      The Iranians are great, they didn’t. It’s been a long time since anyone would allow such insolence to attack Amer’s bases

      Yes, how dare they raise their hand on US democracy and freedom ... early rejoice ... The Pentagon is now beginning to develop another plan for the urgent democratization of Iran ... rebellious Iran should be punished ... this is only the beginning.
      1. kotvov 9 January 2020 12: 32 New
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        . rebellious Iran should be punished ... this is just the beginning. ,,
        How many years they have been punishing them, and the result is rockets on the head.
    2. bessmertniy 9 January 2020 06: 48 New
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      Very competently calculated blow. Not to cause maximum damage, but like a warning for the future that Iran could strike harder. On the other hand, if the United States would then go on to escalate the conflict, then this would be the responsibility of the United States - for fomenting. hi
      1. Same lech 9 January 2020 06: 57 New
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        On the other hand, if the United States would then go on to escalate the conflict, then this would be the responsibility of the United States - for fomenting.
        Well don't tell ...
        which, for example, prevents the United States information war specialists from throwing the chemical components of sarin or mustard gas or uranium isotopes into the rocket wrecks and, on this basis, accuse Iran of violating all obligations to not use explosives and nuclear weapons ... than there is no reason to start a war ... we all remember as an American general at the UN shook a test tube justifying the US invasion of Iraq.
        1. K-612-O 9 January 2020 07: 18 New
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          Iran did not sign an agreement on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, so it’s on the drum, and the 93-year convention on nuclear weapons and nuclear weapons. And no one in their right mind will fight against 83 million countries, it’s not possible to occupy Iran, and there is no group to at least fight like Americans in Yugoslavia in the BV, and the presence of 4,5-6 thousand short and medium-range missiles then sobering up.
          1. atalef 9 January 2020 08: 02 New
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            Quote: K-612-O
            Iran did not sign an agreement on non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, so it’s on the drum

            Do not write nonsense.
          2. 1976AG 9 January 2020 08: 06 New
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            Why occupy Iran ?? It is enough to strike at the most important military and industrial facilities, to destroy the facilities that are involved in preparing for the manufacture of nuclear weapons. If possible, destroy the military-political leadership. Well, good at that.
            1. meandr51 9 January 2020 16: 44 New
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              This is enough for the United States. But not for Iran. Moreover, it’s impossible to shoot back, as at a training ground with beacons ...
          3. Freeman 9 January 2020 09: 02 New
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            K-612-O (Andrey) Today, 07: 18
            it is not possible to occupy Iran


            But precedents were - Operation "Consent" August 25 - September 17, 1941.
        2. Maki Avellevich 9 January 2020 07: 37 New
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          Quote: The same Lech
          Well don't tell ...
          which, for example, prevents the US information war specialists from throwing the chemical components of sarin or mustard gas or uranium isotopes into the rocket wrecks and, on this basis, accuse Iran of violating all obligations to not use explosives and nuclear weapons ... what is no reason to start a war ...

          to find a cause and start a war was never a problem for anyone.
          the main thing that the decision was, for an occasion they do not climb into your pocket.
          1. Stas157 9 January 2020 08: 29 New
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            Quote: Maki Avellevich

            to find a cause and start a war was never a problem for anyone.
            the main thing that the decision was, for an occasion they do not climb into your pocket.

            This is especially true of the state of Israel and its arrogant bombing of neighboring territories and other countries.

            This is easy to do when everything gets away with it. They do not isolate and declare sanctions, as is happening with the same Iran. Iraq, on the whole, was smashed precisely for this reason.
            1. meandr51 9 January 2020 16: 49 New
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              Iraq was smashed only by the stupidity of Saddam. The United States assembled a ground group for several months. If Saddam had not been seduced by secret amer diplomacy and
              stupidly struck the first at an unprepared group in Kuwait, the world would have changed even then.
              Comp. the simulation of such a blow in the RAND definitely gave the victory to Saddam.
              1. 2 Level Advisor 9 January 2020 19: 24 New
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                maybe .. and then? Do you think all the enemies would be offended and go home?
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                  Yes, like from Somalia. Just don’t have to let them pack together.
        3. abrakadabre 9 January 2020 07: 49 New
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          which, for example, prevents the US information war specialists from throwing chemical components of sarin or mustard gas or uranium isotopes into the rocket wrecks and, on this basis, accuse Iran of violating all obligations regarding the non-use of explosives and nuclear weapons
          Why toss something there, and even on the regime, military territory? Who will come to check? And in general, gentlemen take the word for gentlemen. Colin Powell won't let you lie.
        4. dmmyak40 9 January 2020 08: 09 New
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          US Secretary of State Colin Powell shaking a tube.
          1. Same lech 9 January 2020 08: 12 New
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            US Secretary of State Colin Powell shaking a tube.

            I always wondered how a senior US official in his right mind and memory thought of bringing a dangerous radioactive substance to his pocket at the UN meeting ... and why no one asked him such a simple question at the UN.

            High-skilled cheating. what
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              He shook "bacteriological" weapons. It was a simple test tube as an oratory. She was a dummy. Placebo.
              1. Same lech 9 January 2020 13: 25 New
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                He shook "bacteriological" weapons. It was a simple test tube as an oratory. She was a dummy. Placebo.

                Yes, and grateful listeners took it all on faith ... well, what is not a scam. smile
        5. mikstepanenko 9 January 2020 21: 49 New
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          Not American but English. And not a general, but a minister.
      2. Vadmir 9 January 2020 14: 17 New
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        then it would be the responsibility of the United States - for fomenting.
        Never before such a "trifle", the Americans did not stop. Their adversary is always to blame for their unleashing, even if this is ridiculous - the Americans believe this, thanks to the media, and many Europeans too, and the opinion of the rest of the world is always parallel to the United States.
      3. 16329 9 January 2020 18: 22 New
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        This is the beginning of the final phase of squeezing the United States and its allies out of the region, gradually the United States will leave Iraq, which is likely to actually fall apart into the pro-Iranian Shiite part, anti-Turkish Kurdistan with EU support and the Sunni part
        And then more ...
    3. Far B 9 January 2020 06: 52 New
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      Well, they somehow, I recall, a few years ago captured an American boat, and put American sailors on their knees ... That they are not cowards is for sure. Plus, their wars are constantly being waged near by, they are putting pressure on themselves, so that the Persians are psychologically prepared for "yat."
      1. bessmertniy 9 January 2020 07: 10 New
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        Well, if you need to find reasons to aggravate the situation, then it's not a problem - they will throw something, and some celebrity will be sent to Tehran, which will have to provoke to be brought to its knees, and so on. But in this case, the task was not "to give in the face", but to "click on the nose." And this is done quite skillfully. hi bully
      2. Same lech 9 January 2020 07: 11 New
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        Heroism alone is not enough here ... it is necessary to fight the Americans so that it hurts them very much ... the only way.
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          Quote: The same Lech
          Heroism alone is not enough here ... it is necessary to fight the Americans so that it hurts them very much ... the only way.

          Today America has enough fear that it will hurt, and the Iranian demonstration has shown that it can be very painful.
        2. Far B 9 January 2020 08: 08 New
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          One heroism is not enough here
          This is just understandable. But Iran is not Iraq-91 or 2003. At least because the population of 80 lemons was digging, and they were beaten off completely on religious grounds, unlike the rather secular Iraqis of Saddam, so it will be quite difficult to bribe them. But many have combat experience (the same IRGC), and not bad. So the Americans won’t have an easy walk. It will hurt them - tochnik.
  4. Mytholog 9 January 2020 06: 48 New
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    Beautifully Iran showed his teeth. They didn’t kill anyone, unlike the Americans, but they showed that they could wash their faces with blood if they wanted to.
    As a warning (but not as revenge) - just aerobatics.
    1. Per se. 9 January 2020 06: 58 New
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      Quote: Mytholog
      Beautifully Iran showed his teeth.
      The main thing, as it turns out, is everything within the framework of international law. They didn’t kill anyone, because, -
      The Iraqi authorities received a warning from Iran about the impending missile attack on US military facilities. This was announced by Iraqi Prime Minister Adil Abdul Mahdi, reports Sky News.

      According to him, an “official oral report” that Tehran attacks American targets at night in response to the assassination of Kassem Suleimani was received shortly after midnight on January 8. At the same time, authorities in Baghdad did not know the exact time of the strike and did not receive a list of objects that would be hit.
      Accordingly, the Iraqis warned the Americans.
      Otherwise, this is incomparable with the fact that "they will not get off with tomatoes," and "let them just try" ...
    2. maiman61 9 January 2020 07: 55 New
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      The storyteller is far from this!
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      Quote: Mytholog
      Beautifully Iran showed his teeth. They didn’t kill anyone, unlike the Americans, but they showed that they could wash their faces with blood if they wanted to.
      As a warning (but not as revenge) - just aerobatics.

      If all their pouting, screaming about a total war, raising the flags of revenge, millions at the funeral and 50 crushed including the life of Sulaymaniyah itself was worth such an answer - then this does not cause anything but laughter.
      Showed?
      What did they show?
      They showed the only thing that Trump's message perfectly understood - for the death of an American, even one of any civilian - they will answer in full.
      So we got off in a completely Arab-Persian spirit.
      They warned in advance, asked for an indicative strike with minimal damage, trumpeted their media that they had killed more than 80 Americans - immediately issuing a message that they would calm down.
      In fact - zilch and laughter.
      Trump did not warn, he first uncovered the proxy then when Iran did not understand - Sulaymaniyah.
      The Iranian answer said only one thing - they understood and how they understood it.
      1. Nastia makarova 9 January 2020 08: 46 New
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        like what? struck at US bases, few people do it) and most importantly they hit for sure and American air defense did not work again !!!!
      2. Pytnik 9 January 2020 11: 11 New
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        In fact, the accuracy of missiles is excellent, think about it there in Israel wink
    4. Krasnodar 9 January 2020 08: 20 New
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      Quote: Mytholog
      Beautifully Iran showed his teeth. They didn’t kill anyone, unlike the Americans, but they showed that they could wash their faces with blood if they wanted to.
      As a warning (but not as revenge) - just aerobatics.

      They also understand what they would have done to them in a month or two, if the victims were before the American elections, but, nevertheless, Trump showed himself a pontorez))
  5. rocket757 9 January 2020 06: 52 New
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    About the accuracy of the hit is understandable, nothing surprising, but the lack of air defense, the lack of air defense reaction to a missile attack, this is not at all clear.
    1. Odysseus 9 January 2020 07: 09 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      About the accuracy of the hit is understandable, nothing surprising, but the lack of air defense, the lack of air defense reaction to a missile attack, this is not at all clear.

      Intercepting ballistic missiles (even the old Scuds) in a real combat situation with any kind of mass launch, as before, is unrealistic. With the same air defense systems that the Americans have there, 0% probability.
      1. rocket757 9 January 2020 07: 26 New
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        MASS START, how much?
        What the stripes have is ... it's not clear! Do they defend their troops with one faith? that no one will ever attack them? All this is strange precisely in the light of the fact that the stripes everywhere they put their air defense, where they sell their air defense systems, they constantly find themselves in flight, crap one's pants! And nowhere there, mind you, no MASS missile attacks were observed.
        The question is, why is now the most exclusive country, for the military air defense takes the products of a completely different country? Isn't it strange?
        1. Odysseus 9 January 2020 07: 41 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          MASS START, how much?

          More than 2))
          Moreover, even a single Scud missile is not in range conditions and when its purpose is not precisely known, air defense systems intercept with far from 100% probability. Look at the example of the Saudis and Yemen. Well, there are the Patriots and what ...
          The fact is that the belief in the existence of air defense systems capable of reliably intercepting any ballistic missiles is a myth. Therefore, nothing surprising.
          1. abrakadabre 9 January 2020 07: 57 New
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            Look at the example of the Saudis and Yemen.
            What is it about the Saudis? Remember the results of the interceptions of the Iraqi non-modernized R-17 Israeli battery Patriots. If you can still talk about Saudis about low professionalism and motivation, then you can’t say the same about Israelis. And their motivation goes off scale. Nevertheless, the percentage of interception was not up to par. They are more fortunate. that the missiles themselves are very outdated and have not shown themselves very well in non-nuclear equipment.
            1. rocket757 9 January 2020 08: 31 New
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              Quote: abrakadabre
              Remember the results of the interceptions of the Iraqi non-modernized R-17 Israeli battery Patriots.

              Striped have the concept of a “preventive attack” on anyone !!! Like, they will smash everyone and everything and there will be no one to defend themselves! Because offensive systems are a priority ....
              Logical continuation, defensive systems somewhere out there, in the background.
              Their scientific and technical base is strong, but the priorities are set in such a way that the defense systems do not shine with outstanding achievements.
              1. abrakadabre 9 January 2020 12: 22 New
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                Striped have the concept of a “preventive attack” on anyone !!! Like, they will smash everyone and everything and there will be no one to defend themselves! Because offensive systems are a priority ....
                A little different. Their whole concept is based on the following initial ones:

                1. There is no direct threat to their territory in a conventional war. Because they are separated from potential opponents by the oceans, and continental neighbors are either reduced to submission to the state of sexual slaves (Canada, Mexico and other Panama), or imposed in such a way that they are not able to pose a military threat to the indigenous territory (Cuba, Venezuela ...)

                2. Any attempts to amend paragraph 1. stopped immediately and in the toughest way (Caribbean crisis)

                3. The entire load (damage) from a military conflict in any form and with the participation of the United States must be borne by "allies" (such as NATO members), vassals (Saudis, Qatar, Swedes, Georgians, Japan (which is slipping to occupied by some signs) and so further) and the occupied territories (Iraq, Afghanistan, the Baltic states - yes yes, she too).

                4. Any (with rare exceptions such as Grenada and Panama) military conflict takes place with the MANDATORY participation of the Allies and Limitrophs. Moreover, participation in the first place cannon fodder, in the second - money, in the third - the provision of territory for supply. Other components are either not so important (for example, stockpiles of ammunition), or they are carefully squeezed out or suppressed - military industrial production.
                Moreover, before the turning point in hostilities, the participation of others described above should be maximum, and at the final stage - minimal. For war must feed America’s economy, and others should die at the front if possible.

                A distortion in the development of the arms of the armed forces, tactics and strategies for maintaining the DB results from these initial ones.
                1. rocket757 9 January 2020 12: 33 New
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                  Everything happens for the first time ... and correct after the eleventh, it also happens.
                  1. abrakadabre 9 January 2020 12: 37 New
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                    Everything happens for the first time ... and correct after the eleventh, it also happens.
                    Of course. There are significant cases when the United States, in its exclusivity, entered and the response was very painful. The most striking example is the Nazi counterattack in the Ardennes. It turned out very revealingly. Let from our enemy.
                    1. rocket757 9 January 2020 12: 40 New
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                      Quote: abrakadabre
                      The most striking example is the Nazi counterattack in the Ardennes.

                      At that time, they still learned to be a crushing force in wars that they knew little about! Their isolation, far from serious events there, was the reason.
              2. NordUral 9 January 2020 13: 04 New
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                Have striped concept. "preventive attack"to anyone !!! Like, they will smash everyone and everything and there will be no one to defend themselves! Because offensive systems are a priority ....
                Exactly!
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                  It's no secret they don’t hide it.
          2. rocket757 9 January 2020 08: 24 New
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            Quote: Odyssey
            The fact is that the belief in the existence of air defense systems capable of reliably intercepting any ballistic missiles is a myth.

            These are just talkers claim a 100% chance of being intercepted from one interceptor missile. Specialists, all, give a certain percentage of interception. However, it is most often claimed that with a doublet, for example, the probability of a missile being hit is close to 100%.
    2. K-612-O 9 January 2020 07: 23 New
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      After the Saudi refinery, it’s just understandable. Although the goals there were easier. But if you recall the storm in the desert, the Patriots are not so hot against the SCADS. And the Iranians will have better toys.
    3. askort154 9 January 2020 07: 34 New
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      rocket757 ...... the lack of air defense reaction to a missile attack, this is not at all clear.

      Yes, amazing. Two US military bases were attacked, and not one rocket was shot down ?!
      And this is at the moment when Iran openly announced a "response", and the Pentagon took measures to strengthen the combat readiness of military bases outside the United States. . The impression that there was no air defense at all, or a complete "gouging", because
      traditional American self-confidence.
      1. rocket757 9 January 2020 08: 34 New
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        It seems that there was no air defense at all, or a complete "gouging", because
        traditional American self-confidence.

        Well I say, their FAITH keeps everything from everything! The belief that everyone is lying and afraid in front of them!
        Although, it has been proved more than once that not everyone is lying and not everyone is afraid!
    4. atalef 9 January 2020 08: 15 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      About the accuracy of the hit is understandable, nothing surprising, but the lack of air defense, the lack of air defense reaction to a missile attack, this is not at all clear.

      It’s clear why to spend missiles when warned in advance and know where it will fall
      1. rocket757 9 January 2020 08: 46 New
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        It’s clear why to spend missiles when warned in advance and know where it will fall

        There is a feeling that some kind of agreement! But nobody will tell the truth.
        A simple explanation - Seek someone profitable? - will fall into two components. This is beneficial / necessary for Iran, but it is also acceptable for Trump, such a feeling has a place to be!
      2. Incvizitor 9 January 2020 14: 07 New
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        If Iran announces to you about shelling your base, they will not intercept missiles fundamentally without trying to destroy the Tsakhalovites? laughing
      3. iaaf73 9 January 2020 15: 49 New
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        Are you sorry? Missiles are pitiful? But how to train the Patriots ’calculations? Such an opportunity was great ... so to speak, real, training, combat situation)), but not for some reason, neither the famous anti-missile bastions worked around the air defense bases in Romania allegedly ground for intercepting Iranian missiles ...
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          Do not tell me how from Romania to intercept a missile flying from Iran to Iraq? well, just in theory ..
    5. Serzh 9 January 2020 11: 22 New
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      Where did the air defense come from, tell mercy? Who were they afraid of there? Iran? Yes, everyone now understands that America will tell Iran rockets, if a serious mix occurs. And Iran also understands this - because such a "humane" revenge came out. In fact, they didn’t give up air defense there. He was not there.
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        Who were they afraid of there?

        Everything is known ... following the results of events.
    6. bk316 9 January 2020 19: 40 New
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      the lack of air defense reaction to a missile attack, this is not at all clear.

      Why is it incomprehensible?
      Here at VO they wrote 100 times that it is impossible for the United States to intercept the mass launch of ballistic missiles.
      AND IT'S ABOUT THE METROPOLITIES, and protect every the base of its own missile defense is all the more impossible.
      That is why the United States does not touch countries with nuclear weapons. Here heels of five missiles hit the target, well, even if Iran aimed 100-200 corpses at the barracks, and if Kim was on the coast with ONE nuclearbaton, hundreds of thousands of corpses. Which president needs this?
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        Yes, you sho encroach on the "holy"? Stripes are all, the most unique and reliable partner and defender! They can do everything, they will protect everyone!
        Yes, they have the most air defense, the most .. probably.
  6. 5-9
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    Even if we look at American data, then 12 of the 16 missiles hit the target (judging by the photo - very accurately). Efficiency of 75% .... with 2 missile attacks on the SAR in the best case for the USA, the efficiency was the opposite - 25%.
    1. askort154 9 January 2020 08: 14 New
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      5-9 ........Even if we look at American data, then 12 out of 16 missiles hit the target (judging by the photo - very accurately). Efficiency of 75% .... with 2 missile attacks on the SAR in the best case for the USA, the efficiency was the opposite - 25%.


      The data is different, here's another.
      15 missiles launched:
      - the base in Ein al-Assad was hit by 10 pieces.
      - military airfield in Erbil - 1 pc.
      - 4 shells did not reach the target.
      (Vox Portal - Lex Wrd with Link to U.S. Central Command)
      There is no information about shot down missiles anywhere, even among the Americans hi
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        Well, the Iranians generally talked about 35 missiles .... I indicated the data of the "injured party." But there’s nothing about the shot down anywhere so far.
        The Patriot PAC-3 / ERINT is precisely designed to bring down similar targets. Either the largest air bases were not covered by the air defense systems, or it was semi-useless (shots from a ship’s air defense system as from a single-shot missile defense system as a confirmation of this) or is this an agreement ... although why wasn’t it possible to shoot down at least part of the missiles under the agreement?
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          although why, under an agreement, it was impossible to bring down at least part of the missiles?

          Moreover, it was a chance to rehabilitate ourselves after the failure of the Saudis - they say see how we can shoot down, but no ....
          1. 2 Level Advisor 9 January 2020 19: 37 New
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            what if they accidentally knock everything down? the arrangement of the contract is collapsing .. and if they get a little knocked down, they say the patriot has done it .. that's the answer, choose the option to taste ..
    2. atalef 9 January 2020 08: 22 New
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      Quote: 5-9
      Even if we look at American data, then 12 of the 16 missiles hit the target (judging by the photo - very accurately). Efficiency of 75% .... with 2 missile attacks on the SAR in the best case for the USA, the efficiency was the opposite - 25%.

      Yes?
      Syrian media reported wink
      Satellite photos with impact results are certainly not proof.
      Although the number of explosions corresponded exactly to the number of axes (minus one, as the Americans claimed, one ax did not fly).
      Believe in your tales - even photos are not proof for you.
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        Ah, well, show me these ephemeral photos .. what about now what impact? The first on 61 or the second on 110 all-destructive rocket? In the first case, the world saw the defeat of several hangars and work to repair the runway for 4 hours, in the second - 3 two-story sheds
  7. Odysseus 9 January 2020 07: 12 New
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    Yes, from Trump, "they expected great atrocities, but he ate the siskin." There you have 52 goals, here you have Make America Great Again ......
    Clear victory.
  8. Sidor Amenpodestovich 9 January 2020 07: 16 New
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    How is a tactical missile different from just a tactical one?
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      Caliber - tactical, for example. Iskander - OTC, more power. A kind of transitional link to massive types.
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich 9 January 2020 08: 23 New
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        Understood thanks.
    2. Odysseus 9 January 2020 07: 44 New
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      Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
      How is a tactical missile different from just a tactical one?

      Range
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich 9 January 2020 08: 24 New
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        Thank you for the clarification.
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      flight range! mass doesn't matter
  9. Zaurbek 9 January 2020 07: 33 New
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    If Iran has achieved high accuracy, it will cool the hotheads in the region .... and Iran will be able to conventionally strike.
  10. svp67 9 January 2020 07: 35 New
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    Quite accurately and heaped down ...
  11. Disorder 9 January 2020 07: 35 New
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    Mdaaaa ... And the Patriots were a guide? I remember so joyfully reported when Saddam Skadim was bulging.
    1. 5-9
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      They didn’t report anything there, if only during the war itself. The patriots of those years (now others) didn’t shoot down (exploded, destroyed in the air) any of the 100 missiles. A third managed to be deflected (by consuming multiple missiles per target) from the aiming point for a couple of km ... taking into account the accuracy of those SCADAS and targets (Israeli cities) there is no sense in this. But there was PAC-1, and now PAC-3 ...
  12. maiman61 9 January 2020 07: 51 New
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    Yeah! Hit accuracy impresses! Now I believe that the Iranians tried to avoid human casualties. But the mattresses definitely crap one's pants on such accuracy! So the snot trump was chewing at a briefing, we realized that the jokes were over!
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      Quote: maiman61
      But the mattresses definitely crap one's pants on such accuracy!

      Why?
      Trump wrote - everything is fine, and somehow I am inclined to interpret it.
      1. Nastia makarova 9 January 2020 08: 49 New
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        great that the Americans once again screwed up
      2. maiman61 10 January 2020 08: 11 New
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        Accuracy allows for targeted attacks to destroy mattresses within a radius of 2500 km from Iran. Accuracy allows you to cover the carrier group and send to feed the fish. Accuracy allows you to deliver point strikes on the airfields of mattresses, and the removal of airfields allows you to detect enemy aircraft with a greater degree of probability!
      3. Michael HORNET 10 January 2020 09: 11 New
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        Well, you can write anything - a discerning herd of voters will eat this noodle, but the image of the thinking part is lost. For the first time since Pearl Harbor, a foreign country attacked US bases and ... did not receive an answer, moreover, this answer was announced in advance! Trump responded and his point goes to Iran)
  13. Krasnodar 9 January 2020 08: 16 New
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    Trump has established himself as a pont cutter - where are 52 blows of 52 F-35s and B-52s on Iranian cultural goals? laughing
  14. Pacifist 9 January 2020 08: 17 New
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    According to the Iranians, the attacks were carried out by inert warheads. Now I believe. If 450-800 kg of TNT bombed, then there were also ruins from neighboring ones.
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      there were also ruins from neighboring ones.

      Yeah, the turntables would definitely blow.
      I don’t understand why everyone writes “contract-contract” -Classic demonstration of possibilities.
      It’s better only to close up the statue of liberty. laughing
      1. Pacifist 10 January 2020 09: 34 New
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        They tried to demonstrate capabilities and avoid escalation. Now everyone understands that Iran has high-precision weapons and, if anything, it can fly not with a crowbar, but with a truck with a TNT dump truck. It also brings well to life.
  15. Ros 56 9 January 2020 10: 14 New
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    Something seems to me that this is a usual theatrical production, the main purpose of which was not to lose one's face. Although the death of Suleymani is already a loss of face by Iran.
  16. Ratmir_Ryazan 9 January 2020 10: 34 New
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    Weakly hit Iran. Although the punches are really accurate.

    Either Iran does not have so many ballistic missiles or Iran really does not want to aggravate the situation and spared the Americans.

    US air defense as always "on top"))).
    1. iaaf73 9 January 2020 16: 00 New
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      Iran struck filigree. And in terms of accuracy and political sense. The situation was not exacerbated, the Iraqi parliament made a statement on the withdrawal of all foreign contingents from its territory, Iran also withdrew the latest obligations to comply with the nuclear deal, which in the future will lead to new negotiations where Iran might ease its economic situation ... something like that)). And in another case, the situation would not escalate, it would just EXPLODE and so it would not seem to anyone, not only the Persian Gulf region would blaze.
  17. Prisoner 9 January 2020 11: 28 New
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    That's the pins passed back. We realized that if something happens, the Iranians will not be sensitive. And their weapons are still on the level. So they decided to act with economic leverage. More familiar.
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    That's the juice. that Iran has demonstrated the presence of a developed defense industry at home and the complete absence of air defense / missile defense in the United States. I understand that as soon as the Germans realized that they had been running around Iraq for twenty years with a bare profile - they have no protection from attacks from the sky - they collected manat and dumped home at the moment - and this is only the beginning.
    So everything is not just good, but wonderful! Especially considering that after the plush in the face with a pull - the United States could only wipe the snot)))
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      and from whom in the Iraqi company did they defend themselves from heaven? and yes, it smelled fried and went right through ..
  19. iouris 9 January 2020 12: 36 New
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    So far this is only the fighting stance of two opponents. Trump will not fight Iran, but Iran is not capable. Therefore, the whole story is aimed at inflicting unacceptable reputation damage on the Ayatollah regime.
  20. murad suleymanov 9 January 2020 12: 51 New
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    A preemptive strike must be struck in the United States! Then they will understand what's what, and since they are not directly affected by either missile or bombing strikes, they will be greyhound further! And not like it was September 11, the explosion of the shopping center, this is the work of the CIA, but real blows from the outside!
  21. Old26 9 January 2020 14: 34 New
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    Zulfiqar replenished the arsenal of Iran only in 2016. This self-guided missile is believed to be an improved modification of the Fateh-110, the first solid-propellant operational-tactical missile of its own design. The lesion distance in the 610 mm Zulfiqar is 700 km, the warhead weight is 450 kg [according to other sources - 579 kg].

    A bit not for sure. Rocket Zulfiqar (designation on the case ZA) is an improved modification not of the Fateh-110 missile (by the way there are several modifications of them - 110, 110A, 110V, 110C, 110D), but missiles Fateh-313. Caliber rocket Zulfiqar - 680 mm (610 mm is the caliber of the rocket Fateh-313) Warhead mass Zulfiqar - namely 579 kg (450 kg, or rather 448 kg - at the rocket Fateh-313) At the rocket Zulfiqar unlike rockets Fateh-110 и Fateh-313 detachable warhead

    Further. The first information was that missiles were still used Fateh-313rather than rockets Zulfiqar. The point is to use missiles with a range of 430 km at a range of 700 km (Zulfiqar) when you can use missiles with a range of 500 km (Fateh-313).

    And by the way, photographs are a Qiam-1 type missile case, not missiles Fateh-313

    Quote: K-612-O
    and the presence of 4,5-6 thousand short and medium-range missiles is somehow sobering.

    I think it’s worth trimming sturgeon three times. And then you can agree to the point that the Persians have about 80 thousand missiles that they threatened to bring down on Israel ...

    Quote: The same Lech
    Well don't tell ...
    which, for example, prevents the US information war specialists from throwing chemical components of sarin or mustard gas or uranium isotopes into the rocket wrecks and, on this basis, accuse Iran of violating all obligations regarding the non-use of explosives and nuclear weapons

    Well, at least what the expert community knows about the absence of nuclear and chemical warheads on these missiles. The Americans should not be considered such mugs. And do not cite Iraq as an example. Indeed, in fact, Saddam actually had chemical weapons (and he used them in the Iran-Iraq war), although C. Powell, of course, did not show them in vitro.

    Quote: 1976AG
    Why occupy Iran ?? It is enough to strike at the most important military and industrial facilities, to destroy the facilities that are involved in preparing for the manufacture of nuclear weapons. If possible, destroy the military-political leadership. Well, good at that.

    You see, Alexei, the people have an understanding that to win means to hoist a flag over a turned Reichstag (the White House, ....). That is, a prerequisite - a soldier of another army must stomp the land of the enemy ... But in principle, in order to destroy the enemy there is no need for this. It is enough to destroy its statehood, destroy its industrial, military or scientific potential and the problem is solved. Even without the use of WMD. Take the same Yugoslavia, specifically Serbia. A freedom-loving country is now asking for NATO. After it was bombed (without destroying) and changed its political leadership. So it is with Iran. There is no need to occupy an 80 millionth country. It is enough to destroy its industrial potential (in particular, the military-industrial complex), energy infrastructure, the oil industry and, in the long run, internal contradictions themselves will ruin the country ...

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    In fact, the accuracy of missiles is excellent, think about it there in Israel wink

    Excellent accuracy ???? Are you laughing? Physically (technically) these KVO missiles have at least 500 meters, and Qiam (which didn’t hit the base) has even more. And this is at a distance of 500 km (our Voivode has such accuracy with a range of almost 12000 km). The accuracy is of course colossal. The fact that some shelters there struck, so count the number of circled targets in the photographs and do not forget to take into account that from this base they hit 10 to 17 missiles according to various estimates. Accuracy - 1-1,5 "bast shoes".

    Quote: rocket757
    About the accuracy of the hit is understandable, nothing surprising, but the lack of air defense, the lack of air defense reaction to a missile attack, this is not at all clear.

    And why is it needed with an agreement? Throw away millions (anti-missile cost)?

    Quote: Odyssey
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    About the accuracy of the hit is understandable, nothing surprising, but the lack of air defense, the lack of air defense reaction to a missile attack, this is not at all clear.

    Intercepting ballistic missiles (even the old Scuds) in a real combat situation with any kind of mass launch, as before, is unrealistic. With the same air defense systems that the Americans have there, 0% probability.

    There was no mass launch. The interception of the Skuds, in principle, does not present an insoluble task, including and for the Patriots (you should not always blame the events of 30 years ago, when they were first used and claim that the Americans have zero probability of interception). Underestimation can solo backfire
    Qiam and did not have to intercept. Judging by the information, none of them (and it was launched 3 or 4, judging by the video materials) did not reach the target. But Fateh, unlike Qiama, has a significantly lower apogee. There the problem would really be.
    1. bk316 9 January 2020 19: 54 New
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      to destroy the enemy is not necessary. It is enough to destroy its statehood, destroy its industrial, military or scientific potential and the problem is solved.

      It depends on what enemy. Regarding Russia, it has already sounded that we are an existential enemy. Need to explain what this means?
      1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 10 January 2020 17: 45 New
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        Quote: bk316
        Regarding Russia, it has already sounded that we are an existential enemy.
        This is such a fun translation. There is nothing in the original about existentialism, Camus and Sartre.

        The words "Russia (...) pose the only existential threat to the country right now" actually translate as "Russia (...) alone poses a threat to the country's existence at the moment."
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    Quote: Odyssey
    Quote: rocket757
    MASS START, how much?

    More than 2))
    Moreover, even a single Scud missile is not in range conditions and when its purpose is not precisely known, air defense systems intercept with far from 100% probability. Look at the example of the Saudis and Yemen. Well, there are the Patriots and what ...
    The fact is that the belief in the existence of air defense systems capable of reliably intercepting any ballistic missiles is a myth. Therefore, nothing surprising.

    And with excellent domestic complexes, short-sighted calculations intercept with what probability? How many rockets were fired during the shooting when our IL-20 was shot down? Israeli aircraft were already, if not at airfields, then beyond range, and Syrian crews continued to bullet in the white light, like a pretty penny.
    Therefore, the example of the Saudis is not indicative. The same Arabs, and the same squint

    Quote: abrakadabre
    Look at the example of the Saudis and Yemen.
    What is it about the Saudis? Remember the results of the interceptions of the Iraqi non-modernized R-17 Israeli battery Patriots. If you can still talk about Saudis about low professionalism and motivation, then you can’t say the same about Israelis. And their motivation goes off scale. Nevertheless, the percentage of interception was not up to par. They are more fortunate. that the missiles themselves are very outdated and have not shown themselves very well in non-nuclear equipment.

    As for the obsolete Scud missiles, I agree. But we must also take into account the fact that the air defense systems of those times did not adapt to intercept operational-tactical missiles. And the Patriot and the first modifications of the S-300 were able to intercept exclusively tactical missiles

    Quote: rocket757
    Quote: Odyssey
    The fact is that the belief in the existence of air defense systems capable of reliably intercepting any ballistic missiles is a myth.

    These are just talkers claim a 100% chance of being intercepted from one interceptor missile. Specialists, all, give a certain percentage of interception. However, it is most often claimed that with a doublet, for example, the probability of a missile being hit is close to 100%.

    Don’t tell me, Victor. Some particularly zealous claim that the latest Buk M3 system is capable of intercepting a single missile with a probability of 0,9999. For it is written on Wikipedia laughing

    Quote: K-612-O
    After the Saudi refinery, it’s just understandable. Although the goals there were easier. But if you recall the storm in the desert, the Patriots are not so hot against the SCADS. And the Iranians will have better toys.

    I apologize, Andrey, did the Patriots remain the same ancient ones as they were in 1991? Never upgraded? By the same time, the Saudi situation is generally not indicative, if we talk about the missile defense system. It is not known how the S-400 would behave when approaching drones or cruise missiles at an altitude of 5-10 meters. Plus, the system of building the Saudi air defense system itself is flawed, because based on the focal principle, does not have a continuous radar field and can easily be bypassed. Therefore, it is better not to talk about Iron itself. The same "Patriot" at least participated in the hostilities and modernized on the basis of this operation ...

    Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
    How is a tactical missile different from just a tactical one?

    Flight range. According to our classification, a tactical one has a range of up to 150 km EMNIP, operational-tactical - up to 500 km. Americans have a slightly different classification system

    Quote: Eugene-Eugene
    Caliber - tactical, for example. Iskander - OTC, more power. A kind of transitional link to massive types.

    Sorry, Eugene, but you froze stupidity. There is no classification of OTC large or low power. Caliber (anti-ship) - operational-tactical missile, since it has a range of almost 400 km at least (and according to other sources - almost 600), "Caliber" 3M14 - it generally refers to medium-range missiles according to the existing classification, since the range is about 1500 km with a conventional warhead. Iskander is an operational-tactical missile. Without any mention, high power or low
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  24. Vladimir Ilyich 9 January 2020 14: 47 New
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    Well, where are the coffins? Bearded crap, no one was hurt, their fanatics more suppressed at the funeral!
  25. Kostadinov 9 January 2020 16: 26 New
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    Quote: rocket757
    About the accuracy of the hit is understandable, nothing surprising, but the lack of air defense, the lack of air defense reaction to a missile attack, this is not at all clear.

    Today and in the foreseeable future there is and will be only one missile defense system - an early warning + a quick escape to reliable shelter.
  26. SKR-1135 9 January 2020 17: 45 New
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    There was a video directly shot at the base. Destructions in places of contact are decent. Shards on the ground are scattered.
  27. Yuriy Malyshko 9 January 2020 17: 52 New
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    Although I am anti-American, but looking at the inadequate red-headed adventurous old animal, I want to exclaim: "God save America!"
  28. Shahno 9 January 2020 17: 56 New
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    Quote: Yuri Malyshko
    Although I am anti-American, but looking at the inadequate red-headed adventurous old animal, I want to exclaim: "God save America!"

    Who are you guys? You think it’s very funny ..
    Do you live in Houston? What kind of slag is this, "red-headed adventurous old animal"?
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      To me, as an old warrior, it’s absolutely not funny. Think boy!
  29. Chaldon48 9 January 2020 18: 02 New
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    Just like in that song: “Everything is good, beautiful marquise, everything is good, except for a trifle”, it turned out to be a light slap in the face, but with a distant sight, you will behave badly and harder and harder.
  30. Serzh 9 January 2020 18: 02 New
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    Quote: Vadmir
    All people are mortal, it could be removed in a bunch of different ways. Why resort to such an unreliable and dangerous method and become the debtor of his enemy? Why does the Iranian leadership need extra sanctions? This version is not consistent.

    Quote: Vadmir
    Trump gave the order to eliminate Suleimani without knowing anything about this figure and its popularity in Iran, for him it was another "terrorist" whom the Americans themselves and Israel kill in batches in Syria and Iraq. Iran’s reaction came as a surprise to Trump, for a war that cannot be “small victorious,” he does not seek and is not ready, not in the election year

    If you think about it, how could Trump not know about the significance of the goal? Or know? That's right - they inform him, he personally does not know for sure. It turns out that you yourself argue in favor of the setup with the setup - those who are closely involved in Iran could not know this key information. But the President was forgotten to say, describing how bad he is and what Trump will be cool if, after the liquidation, he announces that this is his decision in person. Trump - impulsive - this is evidenced by his biography and the history of business - would be easily led. So that....
    Quote: Vadmir
    Why resort to such an unreliable and dangerous method and become the debtor of his enemy? Why does the Iranian leadership need extra sanctions? This version is not consistent.

    We have not seen sanctions yet, so it's too early to talk about it. They may not exist or there will be those from which neither hot nor cold. About why? - achievement of parallel tasks. It's no secret that Trump is trying to pull American soldiers out of the region, but the Pentagon is very resistant. Such a step, and subject to an agreement with those who have been painted step-by-step throughout the scenario, is easily achieved by the media space, as well as in reality. Competitively eliminated, the United States eventually withdraws troops, in Iran a new hero and people united, there are still options that we may not know about. Well, even the one that the Americans now said is ready for negotiations without preconditions is an unusual condition for them, of course, the option with Trump’s setup is more suitable, but with an agreement, it was planned in advance to reduce tension or some other goals, fig knows. I can only assume I'm not sitting at the negotiating table.
  31. Rus2012 9 January 2020 18: 53 New
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    Iran

    Here is the author -
    The Iranian version received a guidance system.

    that the R-17 does not have SU and SN?
    To what extent should the level of competence in military defense be reduced? :(

    Meanwhile, earlier in the same VO wrote, September 12, 2012 -
    control system. Inertial automation stabilizes the position of the rocket, and also amends the direction of flight. The missile control system is conditionally divided into four subsystems: stabilization of motion, range control, switching and additional equipment. The motion stabilization system is responsible for maintaining the programmed course; for this, 1SB9 gyrohorizon and 1SB10 gyrovertican collect information on rocket accelerations in three axes and transmit it to the 1SB13 counting and solving device. The latter issues commands to the steering cars. In addition, the control automatics can issue a command to the automatic missile detonation system if the flight parameters are significantly different from the set ones, for example, the deviation from the necessary trajectory exceeds 10 °. To counter the arising demolitions, the rocket was equipped with four gas-dynamic rudders installed in the immediate vicinity of the engine nozzle. The range control system is based on a 1СБ12 calculator. His tasks include monitoring the flight speed of the rocket and issuing a command to turn off the engine when it reaches the desired one. This command stops the active flight mode, after which the missile reaches the target along a ballistic trajectory. The maximum range of the missile is 300 kilometers, the maximum speed on the trajectory is about 1500 meters per second.

    https://topwar.ru/18752-polveka-raketnogo-kompleksa-9k72-elbrus.html
  32. Charik 9 January 2020 18: 54 New
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    adults play uncles
  33. Comrade Kim 9 January 2020 19: 33 New
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    Quote: mikh-korsakov
    The behavior of the Iranian authorities personally I was surprised and admired, firstly, Iranian intelligence capabilitiesproviding information about the exact location of objects at the bases; .... We would be so-they humiliate us, and we chew snot in response, except for the response to the sarcasm of Ms. Zakharova.


    Yes, they are already so trained in American AUGs that they laugh at how the Yankees deny their success:
    https://twitter.com/mshaltouki/status/1204325918191366150


    Dashing trouble began, as they spin their centrifuges, but put on specials. ammunition for rockets stored in the dungeons - immediately things will go more fun:

  34. Old26 9 January 2020 20: 46 New
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    to destroy the enemy is not necessary. It is enough to destroy its statehood, destroy its industrial, military or scientific potential and the problem is solved.

    It depends on what enemy. Regarding Russia, it has already sounded that we are an existential enemy. Need to explain what this means?

    This is not about Russia. The issue of clashes between the US and any other

    Quote: Comrade Kim
    Dashing trouble began, as they spin their centrifuges, but put on specials. ammunition for rockets stored in the dungeons - immediately things will go more fun:

    In how many years?
  35. pylon101 10 January 2020 01: 24 New
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    Somehow, the most important is not visible in the articles and comments. That Iran has refused all nuclear weapons agreements.
    That is, it is quite realistic to expect an official notice of withdrawal from the Non-Proliferation Treaty.
  36. mamonthful 10 January 2020 02: 37 New
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    Quote: Vadmir
    Why resort to such an unreliable and dangerous method

    because it was a revealing execution, retribution.

    That's about insecurity - you're in vain. There, in addition to 6 “blades,” the carbon fiber body bursts, forming a cloud of thousands of quick, but light fragments. Close hit guaranteed, but harmless already at 10 meters.
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      Quote: mamonthful
      the carbon fiber body bursts, forming a cloud of a thousand quick but light fragments

      Enchanting nonsense !!!! You study the topic, and then lay out the opus howls. laughing
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        This is actually a translation of the description from the manufacturer’s website, Hello.
  37. Jurkovs 10 January 2020 07: 39 New
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    Iran seems to have achieved all that it wanted. He demonstrated that all American bases in the Middle East are targeted by Iranian missiles, and the accuracy of these missiles is such that they can hit freestanding empty hangars. But you still had to know that these hangars were empty.
  38. Pilat2009 10 January 2020 09: 48 New
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    Quote: bar
    Like rockets flew somewhere and accidentally got into a moving car? Why reject this incredible "probability"?

    But what about the Iranian air defense in this world? If drones fly above them and launch rockets
  39. vavilon 10 January 2020 10: 26 New
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    There are many generals and true commanders of devotees can be counted on the fingers and they have chosen just such a commander of an irreconcilable mattress, the Anglo-Saxons with the states will never go into open conflict with a country that can give a good answer their tactics will be to destroy the country from within
  40. Berkut752 10 January 2020 14: 04 New
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    Again, Putin outplayed everyone, saved Zelensky, and the Ukrainian Boeing shot down. it’s called Kinjall’s one missile, it was shown to be disengaged from the MiG-31 during the exercises, and when the exercises started and when the second missile was launched, then two missiles flew from Iran, Canada and the United States confirmed that it’s ALW. In general, fantasize and you will be happy.
  41. shinobi 10 January 2020 14: 36 New
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    There is an opinion that the general should not have been there at all. Someone in Iran put Suleymani under the blow of the Yankees, but Trump (as usual) made a good face and is trying to squeeze everything out of the aha situation. Only in this case it is clear why the Iranians answered so neatly, and the Yankees swallowed it.
  42. honest people 10 January 2020 18: 31 New
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    Quote: Siberia 75
    Sanctions will soon become a meme.
    Iraq is the second country in terms of grain consumption, after Egypt in the region. In 2013, the United States banned the supply of Russian food to Iraq, in its favor, of course. A month ago, our first ship with a test batch of wheat went there. In the words of Vinipuh - This is Zhzhzh not casual.

    Iran has a tense socio-economic situation, inflation for 2019 was about 40%, in November, the country was flooded with protests caused by rising gas prices.