New Iranian fighters: how to fight against the Raptor and F-35


If tomorrow the war



Relations between the Islamic Republic of Iran and the West (primarily the United States) have never been good. Recall that the 1979 revolution overthrew the secular Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi, abolished the monarchy and established the power of Ayatollah Khomeini. The US attempt to somehow influence the situation, to put it mildly, had no effect. Moreover, the ally of the Americans in the person of Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein, who had high hopes, at some point began to lead his own game. However it is long историяfull of all kinds of contradictions. Another thing is important.

What does Iran have (or may appear), start a real conflict? You can talk endlessly about thousands of boats, boats, ATGMs and other things that could be used, for example, to combat piracy (but not in a real war against a real enemy). First of all, of course, we are talking about fighters. The logic is simple. If the United States gains dominance in the sky, then suppressing air defense will be a matter of time. And after it comes the destruction of ground objects, as was the case with Iraq in 1991. Therefore, Iran tried to create its own combat aircraft. How did he do it?

Azarakhsh



Basis Iranian Air Force For many years there were (and partially continue to remain) the American F-14 Tomcat and the Soviet MiG-29. Iranians can theoretically find a few dozen combat-ready vehicles, but the planes are old, they need to be changed for something. Back in 1986, Iran began developing its own fighter. Azarakhsh ("Lightning"), created by the Iran Aircraft Manufacturing Industrial Company (HESA), began to be tested in April 1997, at the same time the machine completed its first flight.

It is known that in September 1997 the aircraft carried out bombing, dropping two napalm tanks weighing 113 kilograms each. In general, its combat load is declared in the region of 3200 kilograms (indicate, however, other data), which are located on seven nodes of the suspension. There is one 20 mm gun.

Most importantly, we are faced with nothing more than a version of the American Northrop F-5, which made its first flight in 1959. The aerodynamic layout of the aircraft is very, very close: however, Azarakhsh is somewhat larger than the overseas "brother".

The main problem is that we still cannot speak with confidence about the capabilities of the new aircraft and the number of Azarakhsh issued (a number of sources speak of several dozen produced aircraft). Earlier, the media called two Russian RD-33s, the same as those on the MiG-29, as the basis of the power plant for this machine. N019ME Topaz was indicated as a radar, as on the MiG-29SD, with the ability to work more or less efficiently on ground targets. That is, according to the idea of ​​the Iranians, there should have been something in between the F-5 and the MiG-29: obviously not what you expect from an aircraft of the XNUMXst century.

Saeqeh



Having completed its first flight in 2004, Saeqeh was, without a doubt, the development of the ideas embodied in Azarakhsh. In a broad sense, this is a single-seat version of this machine, which has an excellent tail unit. The tail end no longer looks like the Northrop F-5, but is similar to the much more modern McDonnell Douglas F / A-18 Hornet. However, we repeat, do not deceive yourself: this is not the Hornet, but the modernized F-5. With all the ensuing consequences. In general, the definition of “light fighter” was well suited to the “American”: relatively economical, with a small combat radius and limited load. As of the 50s, it was a conceptually very successful aircraft. Now its modernization potential has been exhausted.

What is specifically known about Saeqeh? The first squadron of these aircraft was received by the Iranian Air Force in 2009, and the total number of aircraft built is estimated at several dozen (that is, the situation is close to that in the case of Azarakhsh). It is assumed that the Saeqeh has 7 suspension nodes: 2 at the wingtips, 4 under the wing and 1 under the fuselage. Other characteristics can be found in open sources (this applies to both Saeqeh and Azarakhsh), but it’s hard to say how true they are. In fact, in many cases they are purely speculative in nature and require confirmation.

Kowsar


New Iranian fighters: how to fight against the Raptor and F-35

A much less well-known aircraft, but it was he who was supposed to give the aircraft industry of the Islamic Republic a full-fledged ticket to life. Recall that Kowsar was presented as a purely "national" development. It was presented in August 2018, and already in November it became known about the start of serial production. “Soon the required number of such aircraft will be produced and transferred to the Air Force,” said then Minister of Defense Amir Khatami.

The machine must exist both single and double versions. The aircraft has a "multi-purpose radar and computer ballistic calculation system."

As expected, Israeli experts were skeptical about the new product, saying that it was the same ... Northrop F-5. In the West they were more restrained. “While the Kowsar presented today looks similar to the F-5F, it is not identical to those (fighters, Military Review) received from the USA. For example, photographs show a more modern digital display of the cockpit and ejection seats created on the basis of Russian K-36s, ”Joseph Dempsey, a specialist based in London at the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), told The Defense Post.

According to Justin Bronka, a researcher at the Royal United Institute for Defense Research (RUSI), Kowsar is very limited in terms of radar capabilities and combat radius. We have no special reason to doubt the correctness of these judgments, although, of course, every country can have a hidden ace up its sleeve.

Qaher-313



Introduced in 2013, the Iranian “invisible” fighter can rightfully be considered the strangest “stealth” (provided, of course, this wording is generally appropriate here). Recall that for a long time no one heard of a small single-seat car, outwardly unlike anything at all. However, in 2017, taxi tests of this aircraft developed by the Iran Aviation Industries Organization (IAIO) began.

For the fighter, they chose the integrated layout and the aerodynamic scheme "duck". It has a normal sweep wing with wingtips deflected 60–65 degrees downward and keels “collapsed” in different directions, which partially relates it to Saeqeh (but not Azarakhsh). But this relationship, of course, is conditional, as with Northrop F-5 - except that we can talk about the composition of avionics, which, however, is also doubtful. You can only compare a plane with its earlier version - that is, 2013. As you can see, instead of one nozzle, it has two. They are recessed into the fuselage and placed inside special pipes, which (in theory) can serve to reduce IR visibility.

Needless to say, in the West the plane was called “paper”, adding, however, that in theory it can be used to combat helicopters. Experts drew attention to the form of the fuselage, strange from the point of view of aerodynamics, as well as the very small size of the air intakes. But the Iranians seem to be full of optimism: at least this follows from official statements. “This is an American analysis. We can safely say that Qaher, designed and built for two to three million dollars, is designed to protect the Persian Gulf, ”said Iranian brigadier general Majid Bokey. “Of course, a feature of Qaher is its ability to fly at low altitudes, and this is an ability that no similar aircraft in the world have,” said Qaher-2013 project manager Hassan Parvaneh in 313.

As you can see, the situation with Iranian fighters is ambiguous. In fact, the country was not able to create its own aircraft, which is logical given the international isolation and sanctions, which will now become even stronger. Purchase weapons abroad in such circumstances, it could be the only real way out, but again, this requires good relations with other countries, a lot of money and time, which Iran may not have.
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  1. Chaldon48 9 January 2020 06: 10 New
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    What can be said here, in the sense of gaining dominance in the air, Iran has one hope, in God's business.
    1. Winnie76 9 January 2020 06: 41 New
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      We probably could fit the old MiG-29. Anything better than this antiques
      1. bessmertniy 9 January 2020 07: 05 New
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        If the Iranians have doubts about their cars, then they would long ago have bribed suitable for them in the world market. But apparently there is some certainty. And, indeed, it is hardly possible today with Iran to repeat "Desert Storm", since then this country has had time to prepare for such an option. Moreover, the USA and allies constantly kept Iran in good shape with regard to the introduction of new equipment in the army. hi
        1. free_flier 9 January 2020 08: 49 New
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          Only one thing can be said for sure - Iranian tops cannot be bought in bulk, as was the case in Iraq. Therefore, the level of resistance will be completely different, and the loss of amers to achieve a result similar to Iraq will be several orders of magnitude higher. This is well understood by both Trump and the shit. Accordingly, those who shout and demand a war with Iran will lose in the eyes of their voters a few elections ahead.
        2. ultra 9 January 2020 12: 18 New
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          Quote: bessmertniy
          If the Iranians have doubts about their cars, then they would long ago have bribed suitable for them in the world market.

          They would bribe, but who would sell them. Sanctions, however.
        3. Sergey1987 9 January 2020 13: 50 New
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          Quote: bessmertniy
          If the Iranians have doubts about their cars, then they would long ago have bribed suitable for them in the world market.

          Iran imposed sanctions for the supply of offensive weapons.
        4. Sahalinets 9 January 2020 16: 00 New
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          They would certainly bribe, but who will sell them? Sanctions, however ...
        5. marat2016 9 January 2020 21: 10 New
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          They cannot buy them in the world market. At least until today. After the embargo is lifted, this is possible in principle. The sellers will probably be the Russian Federation and China - if they want.
          1. Chaldon48 11 January 2020 05: 16 New
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            Russia, i.e., the leadership will agree, even on credit, if such an offer comes from Iran.
        6. Altai72 9 January 2020 22: 23 New
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          How would they "bribe"? They are sitting on sanctions! Not even civilian aircraft can sell them to them, as recently we could not.
          1. boni592807 10 January 2020 15: 59 New
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            Altai72 (Altai) Yesterday, 22:23 - How would they "bribe"? They are sitting on sanctions! Not even civilian aircraft can sell them to them, as recently we could not. How would they "bribe" them? They are sitting on sanctions! Not even civilian aircraft can sell them to them, as recently we could not.

            When did it interfere, towhen the question arises about national security, benefits and the ability to test their own on a very likely "partner"? hi
            Remember the Second World War and so on .... Everything is beaten off, not necessarily directly ...
            Moreover, in the case WHEREOF, who is on the QUEUE ... soldier
      2. honest people 9 January 2020 16: 10 New
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        Customize how you will accept payment?
        1. Winnie76 9 January 2020 17: 52 New
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          Quote: honest people
          Customize how you will accept payment?

          Oil, pistachios, gold, but you never know what.
      3. Finn 10 January 2020 18: 27 New
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        Better instant-23. The Americans are still afraid of them as they tried the stolen, there is no limit to acceleration, only then explodes.
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    2. Uncle Izya 9 January 2020 19: 30 New
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      Well, there’s an S-300 air defense if there were more calculations by the Russian other crafts. There will be Iran centrifuges spinning at a Bolshevik pace
    3. Bar2 10 January 2020 11: 40 New
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      this small hawk, as if removed from the carousel. It is necessary for Russia to buy something substantial and faster, otherwise they are already in line for the SU30.
    4. smart ass 10 January 2020 13: 54 New
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      Iran has one hope for the dispersal of objects and disguise
  2. Same lech 9 January 2020 06: 11 New
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    Qaher-313 ... belay for the first time I see this miracle of Iranian thought ... what weapons are interesting on it and how are they going to use it under the domination of US aviation in the sky of Iran.
    I think that in modern conditions, Iran needs to think more about layered air defense at all levels throughout the country. The NATO bombings of Yugoslavia clearly showed how the United States will act around Iran ... of course, given the new realities with unmanned aircraft.
    But this is all particular ... if you look more broadly, the level of scientific and technical potential of Iran is not yet sufficient for the development of its own aviation ... there are no personnel, money, an aviation school, scientific and technical base ... it’s all been created in painful birth for many years it was in our country.
    1. Vladimir_2U 9 January 2020 06: 56 New
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      Air defense alone is not something that you can’t win the war, you just can’t even hold out for a long time, so at least such planes should be enough to finish off the wounded one and strike, especially since air defense of some people is full of holes.
      1. Same lech 9 January 2020 07: 00 New
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        Normal air defense will reduce all US aviation efforts to a minimum ... without US aviation, not a single modern war has yet been won.
        1. Vladimir_2U 9 January 2020 07: 05 New
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          In addition to aviation, there are also many missiles, the same “axes”.
          Quote: The same Lech
          without aviation, the US has not yet won a single modern war
          Have many modern wars lost the Americans? In general, it’s strange, do you seriously think that Iran does not need aviation?
          1. Same lech 9 January 2020 07: 09 New
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            I emphasize that in a conflict with the United States, the enemy’s first objective is to neutralize US strike aircraft and cruise missiles ... can Iran do this with its aviation? Of course not.
            1. Vladimir_2U 9 January 2020 07: 17 New
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              Only of course there is no aircraft, but only air defense can only for some time,
              Quote: The same Lech
              NATO bombing of Yugoslavia clearly showed how roughly the US will act on Iran
              Yugoslavia also had air defense, and quite developed. Air defense is still crushing, but together with fighter aircraft it is much more difficult to do this, if only because some of the carriers will have to be equipped for defense, and not in the strike version.
              1. Same lech 9 January 2020 07: 21 New
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                Air defense is still crushing, but together with fighter aircraft it is much more difficult to do this, if only because some of the carriers will have to be equipped for defense, and not in the strike version.

                Milosevic didn’t have enough banal patience and will ... to hold out after a wave of ax blows ... the Americans simply didn’t have their supplies ... they took the Serbs to show off so to speak ... so they broke.
                1. KrokodilGena 9 January 2020 18: 56 New
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                  Quote: The same Lech
                  Milosevic lacked banal patience and will ...

                  You do not seem very kurai how the fighting took place in the former. Yugoslavia. The Serbs had no chance to resist the coalition from the word at all. About the omnipotence of air defense, you apparently read in urapatriotic agitation. Against the US Air Force, only developed own air forces will help, with modern aircraft, AWACS and so on.
                  1. sivuch 10 January 2020 12: 06 New
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                    Yes, he didn’t have enough of what will. He and zurki already ended
              2. sivuch 10 January 2020 12: 13 New
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                Yugoslavia didn’t. Air defense, which in 99 consisted of S-125, Cubes, and even Strel-10 and MANPADS simply did not have the right to this name
              3. Finn 10 January 2020 18: 37 New
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                How are carriers equipped for defense?
                1. Vladimir_2U 10 January 2020 18: 39 New
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                  Air-to-air missiles by itself, in the case of fighters and fighter-bombers.
                  1. Finn 10 January 2020 18: 43 New
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                    Exactly, I forgot. On the same suspension.
      2. sivuch 10 January 2020 12: 04 New
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        Well, in principle, there was still a war in Vietnam, with all the conventions of comparison. But here the situation is different
    2. Krasnodar 9 January 2020 08: 40 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      Qaher-313 ... belay for the first time I see this miracle of Iranian thought ... what weapons are interesting on it and how are they going to use it under the domination of US aviation in the sky of Iran.
      I think that in modern conditions, Iran needs to think more about layered air defense at all levels throughout the country. The NATO bombings of Yugoslavia clearly showed how the United States will act around Iran ... of course, given the new realities with unmanned aircraft.
      But this is all particular ... if you look more broadly, the level of scientific and technical potential of Iran is not yet sufficient for the development of its own aviation ... there are no personnel, money, an aviation school, scientific and technical base ... it’s all been created in painful birth for many years it was in our country.

      Iran has another trump card - not air defense and not aviation. They have relatively many missiles that can hit the bases and infrastructure of the US allies in the BV, and a bunch of proxies that will take care of the first couple of weeks of the conflict, at least the same. That is, they act as a threat of unacceptable losses for the US Armed Forces and Amer’s allies.
      1. Uncle Izya 9 January 2020 10: 05 New
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        Well, aviation and slag from the United States do not compete, they liquidate the top of Iran, the ayatol there will also organize organized protests like Yugoslavia
        1. Krasnodar 9 January 2020 10: 06 New
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          I also think that they will crush economically and fit into the moment of protests.
          1. Uncle Izya 9 January 2020 10: 49 New
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            Already crushed, the United States is no longer dependent on Arab oil so if Iranian tankers are set on fire, other countries will suffer
            1. Krasnodar 9 January 2020 20: 08 New
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              While the Ayatollahs are in power, the Americans have done nothing
          2. Uncle Izya 9 January 2020 10: 50 New
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            But the atomic bomb is a powerful argument. Well, nuclear Iran does not need either Russia or sleep.
      2. Monster_Fat 9 January 2020 11: 15 New
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        Iran is one. One! There is no sustainable "Shiite" belt. Iraq? Iraq is not up to Iran, there are enough of their hemorrhoids. So that Iran will be bombed into the Stone Age, "at one time". Proxy Yah? Proxies need to be fed and armed. If Iran is attacked "as an adult," it will not be up to "proxies" and "proxies will suffocate on their own, their commanders, known to the United States, Israeli and Middle East intelligence, will be destroyed and the" proxies "themselves will creep. Unacceptable losses? The USA learned them In addition, the United States also has a “proxy.” Another thing is that the United States, due to “problems” with Iraq, may (not the fact) have to use Middle Eastern monarchies and aircraft carrier groups for strikes, which will complicate and cost a little operation, but not critical, given the difficult economic It’s not clear how countries such as Armenia, Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan will behave, but the fact that they will not help Iran is a fact. Pakistan is the only country that can supply Chinese resources to Iran However, the Americans have a significant influence on Pakistan, and therefore, I don’t think that Pakistan will help Iran in any way, so that Iran does not shine in the event of a full-fledged war with the United States.
        1. Alexander Suvorov 9 January 2020 12: 30 New
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          Monster_Fat (Yes What Difference)
          So that Iran will be bombed into the Stone Age, "at one time".
          C'mon, they’ll blow it right ?! Something with North Korea, the number "bomb the Stone Age" did not work. But Iran is still not North Korea. So your favorite ones will be treated as always.
          1. Monster_Fat 9 January 2020 12: 35 New
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            And why should the US deal with Kim? The United States, on the contrary, needs Kim as air, they will also protect it as the apple of their eye to justify and legalize their presence in the soft underbelly of China and all of Southeast Asia before the world community. wink And by the way, there is no friendship between the DPRK and China, “Kim” hates China, which not only does not help the DPRK, but also takes advantage of the hopeless position of the DPRK due to sanctions, exchanges resources on enslaving terms, in fact robbing the poor country . yes
            1. Alexander Suvorov 9 January 2020 12: 42 New
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              Monster_Fat (Yes What Difference)
              in order to justify and legalize their presence in the "soft underbelly" of China and all of Southeast Asia before the "world public". wink
              What nonsense are you talking about? When did Americans care about "public opinion"? They wanted to spit on public opinion from a high bell tower and Kim was like a bone in their throat. That's just they can not eat it, diorrhea does not.
          2. Pashhenko Nikolay 9 January 2020 12: 47 New
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            You forget who helped North Korea in that war. Nobody will help Iran.
            1. Alexander Suvorov 9 January 2020 12: 50 New
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              Pashhenko Nikolay (Nikolay Pashchenko)
              You forget who helped North Korea in that war.
              I did not talk about the Korean War, I talked about the fact that more recently, the Amersosos sent 3 strike carrier groups to the shores of North Korea. As a result, they got out without salty slurping, wrapping their snot on a fist.
              No one will help Iran.
              Why do you think so?
              1. Pashhenko Nikolay 9 January 2020 13: 04 New
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                So far, only Assad has supported Iran, for the most part morally for well-known reasons. But if you know other countries that are ready to help with real help and not with deep concern, then I would love to know about them from you.
              2. KrokodilGena 9 January 2020 19: 28 New
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                Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                most recently, the Amersosos sent 3 shock carrier groups to the shores of North Korea

                C'mon, why not 30 right away ??? When are Americans 3 AUG pulled together ?? During World War II, against the Japanese may ..

                Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                As a result, they got out without salty slurping, wrapping their snot on a fist.

                In what end, why? They took the battle against the North Korean Navy and Air Force, or did they just see them and dump them cowardly? But this is nonsense.

                The DPRK is not bombed for many reasons, one of them is a zombie, hungry population that will need to be fed the whole world, 25mio. Since the Kimov regime did not build any economy that could feed such a mass. If there were any unrest, dissatisfaction with the Kimov dictatorship, subsequent mass executions, etc., then this could still have caused blows to the regime. But the people of the DPRK are so zombified, weak, disorganized, and most importantly intimidated that in the next 10 years they should not even wait for protest rallies, not to mention the uprising. Although, for good, there are more than enough reasons to get tired.
                The second important problem is the proximity of Seoul to the DPRK border, which almost all artillery and missiles are aimed at. In the event of war, all this will fall on Seoul, which will entail serious economic problems and, of course, civilian casualties. This is literally the only thing that can deter the attack of the USA and allies on the DPRK. Therefore, South Korea is preparing for such a development of events, weapons of destruction, armored vehicles, tactics, strategies and exercises.
                1. Passing 16 January 2020 21: 41 New
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                  Quote: KrokodilGena
                  Since the Kimov regime did not build any economy that could feed such a mass.

                  The Kimov regime had just built an advanced industrial country, which was ahead of the Southern neighbor by its head, and which completely fed its population, but then external circumstances had catastrophically changed, and the most severe fuel and economic crisis began, of course, industry died, agriculture fell off the Middle Ages, in such conditions, it is simply impossible to feed such masses of people. Kim was going to radically solve the problem by the superpower of the nation - nuclear energy, but then his West spread it like a sucker, persuading the program to close, in exchange for allegedly supplying fuel. So they are starving there not because of the stupid family of villains Kimov, but because of the deliberate malicious actions of the West. In fact, there is genocide of the ideologically wrong part of the Korean people, a deliberate policy of the Holodomor.
          3. Egor53 9 January 2020 15: 39 New
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            The United States has a completely permeable border. Military action Iran needs to be transferred to the territory of the United States. Not a big military action. Without aviation and heavy equipment - just sabotage groups. The United States is extremely cowardly, and there are enough kamikaze fanatics in Iran.
            It is not a problem for Iranian special forces to penetrate the territory of the United States, and it is easy to hide there. A couple of dozen gas pipeline explosions - and the panic in the US will be such that their voters will not allow them to fight with Iran.
            And this will not be more terrorism than what the United States is doing in Iraq.
            1. akims 9 January 2020 21: 12 New
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              It’s not a problem for Iranian special forces to enter the United States, and it’s easy to hide there
              You're wrong. Not just hard, but impossible. All Americans of Iranian descent, and indeed all Muslims (and Sunnis, including) are taken under control, and it’s very tough. Borders are overlapped. Ethnic Iranians are being detained on the border with Canada.
            2. Altai72 9 January 2020 22: 40 New
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              Well, this "prohibitively cowardly USA" is somehow fighting on all continents. This is no joke. The American army is constantly honing and gaining skills in wars and conflicts. Iran will not withstand the onslaught of the United States, Britain and Israel. And do not wait for ground operations.
            3. victor50 13 January 2020 12: 52 New
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              Quote: Egor53
              USA country prohibitively cowardly

              Wishful thinking. Are there any facts?
        2. Krasnodar 9 January 2020 20: 11 New
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          It’s clear who will be the one behind it, but for it it’s necessary to gather troops in the BV before the fig
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          Do not forget, the "chosen ones" are not the same as they were in the 90s and even in the 00s. And in the “light of recent events” Iran has already proved that “the king is naked.”
    3. Vol4ara 9 January 2020 10: 45 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      Qaher-313 ... belay for the first time I see this miracle of Iranian thought ... what weapons are interesting on it and how are they going to use it under the domination of US aviation in the sky of Iran.
      I think that in modern conditions, Iran needs to think more about layered air defense at all levels throughout the country. The NATO bombings of Yugoslavia clearly showed how the United States will act around Iran ... of course, given the new realities with unmanned aircraft.
      But this is all particular ... if you look more broadly, the level of scientific and technical potential of Iran is not yet sufficient for the development of its own aviation ... there are no personnel, money, an aviation school, scientific and technical base ... it’s all been created in painful birth for many years it was in our country.

      Yugoslavia did not have the Persian Gulf with oil. In which case he will block the navigable part with tankers and flood. All the plants on the territory of the SA and the base of amers that they reach will be halved, and oh my god! the homeland of many influential politicians in the US and the world will also get nuts. Therefore Iran is not Yugoslavia
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        Quote: Vol4ara
        Yugoslavia did not have the Persian Gulf with oil. In which case he will block the navigable part with tankers and flood.

        As a result, oil suppliers not from the Persian Gulf will win: Russia and the USA)) for example. For Western consumers of oil - on the contrary, it will be an occasion to quickly end the Ayatollah regime.
        1. Vol4ara 9 January 2020 21: 43 New
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          Quote: DRM
          Quote: Vol4ara
          Yugoslavia did not have the Persian Gulf with oil. In which case he will block the navigable part with tankers and flood.

          As a result, oil suppliers not from the Persian Gulf will win: Russia and the USA)) for example. For Western consumers of oil - on the contrary, it will be an occasion to quickly end the Ayatollah regime.

          Well, the United States certainly have nothing to do with the Persian Gulf oil?
          As for Western consumers - what are you talking about?
    4. sivuch 10 January 2020 12: 00 New
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      He, Kacher, does not need weapons. All enemies die when they see him in the air
  3. yuliatreb 9 January 2020 06: 30 New
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    Who is going to fight with whom? The Iranian government has already announced that the answer for the killing of Kassem Suleimani was sufficient. And how many words there were about a crushing answer, the east is a delicate matter. Kina will not, the match is negotiable, but it is for the better. Yes, and hardly a pin .. Americans and their friends used the F-35 in a conflict with Iran, not knowing all the capabilities of the S-300, which modification the complex was delivered to Iran no one knows.
    1. bessmertniy 9 January 2020 07: 00 New
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      Both sides showed that they can fight, but do not want to spoil the world. wink After Eun, with pressure from the aircraft carrier group, Trump received a second puncture in the “muscle game”. It would be better not to take up military provocations. what
    2. Same lech 9 January 2020 07: 02 New
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      The Iranian government has already announced that the answer for the killing of Kassem Suleimani was sufficient.

      Iranians promised revenge? ... revenge ... Trump said on Twitter that everything is fine smile it means everything is OK.
      Everyone is happy with what else you need. what so that they set up a wrestling show for the amusement of the public.
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        AUL 9 January 2020 07: 38 New
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        Both sides wisely poured into fanning the conflict - and thank God! Persians do not need a repetition of the Yugoslav scenario, and in the states they remember well the twin towers.
      2. KrokodilGena 9 January 2020 19: 32 New
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        what else do you need. so that they set up a wrestling show for the amusement of the public.

        Hach, the battle for hype! wassat
  4. rocket757 9 January 2020 07: 05 New
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    Persians are by no means savages. Build themselves, gain experience ....
    So it is, if wisely!
    1. novel66 9 January 2020 13: 02 New
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      time, Vit, time !!! it may not be enough!
      1. rocket757 9 January 2020 13: 10 New
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        Their aviation is not the main thing. They do what they can ...
        Just buying on the side of them in all respects does not work, and they are proud, without measure, on their own mind.
        This, for sure, is justified, recalling previous experience.
        1. novel66 9 January 2020 13: 11 New
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          the Chinese are to the right, they are buying technology (or even stealing) and norms
          1. rocket757 9 January 2020 13: 16 New
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            The approaches are different ... I’m saying Persian “bird” is proud!
            By the way, who forbids them to buy technology in parts? there are those who want to "help" for the corresponding mzdNu.
            1. novel66 9 January 2020 13: 22 New
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              That's it, and now their aircraft, even against 15-16, are not pulling, where are there to the invisible
              1. rocket757 9 January 2020 14: 06 New
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                They imposed restrictions on all sides ... here you need to be seven spans in the forehead to advance to a level higher, or to fit better under the wing ... but again, the proud dog.
                1. novel66 9 January 2020 14: 06 New
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                  well, you need to kick to fly
                  1. rocket757 9 January 2020 14: 09 New
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                    Yes, they’ve already kicked, more than once, that bird doesn’t want to leave for free flight or cannot, for objective reasons. East business ... strange!
                    1. novel66 9 January 2020 14: 09 New
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                      definitely! lol
  5. sss
    sss 9 January 2020 09: 15 New
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    Yes, there will be no open serious clashes. Iran has the necessary minimum for causing significant damage (it’s possible to bring down a couple of the three planes of any aircraft, plus the ability to keep tension in the Persian Gulf, plus other options). And most importantly, there is unity, an idea and political will. They will be able to "go over their heads" if something happens ... For the current US leadership, the loss of personnel and equipment is suicide, it is not for them to bombard defenseless Yugoslavia. So they will agree (for now), and in the future, the USA will continue the war in other ways. They are very fond of exfoliating society, growing traitors in the camp of the enemy. Hybrid warfare.
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      DRM 9 January 2020 20: 12 New
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      Quote: sss
      And most importantly, there is unity, an idea and political will.

      Yes, there is no cohesion there. Google topics about protests inside Iran and disagreements in the leadership.
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        sss 10 January 2020 20: 46 New
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        Absolute cohesion has never been and never will be. it is about the degree of cohesion. But in fact - despite all the speeches against the ruling elite, all attempts to seize power are crushed, and will soon be crushed. And if this happens, then there is unity (even against common enemies now). It is about this near time that I am talking. And about googling, so google or look at a certain angle through Yandex about the state of affairs in the United States - there will be a steady feeling that life is not there, that's all. However, it is not. And life is not everything. The trouble in the debate is that many are trying to absolutize, generalize. (everything is bad or good. The army is weak or strong. They are dumb or we are backward, well, etc.). Such generalizations often help in dubious disputes (disputes not for the sake of truth, but for the sake of satisfying one's goals). But we understand that any generalization is false, including this.
        1. syndicalist 10 January 2020 23: 41 New
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          Everything will depend on the results of the first days. Power in any country rests on the ability to inspire its strength and unwaveringness. If the Iranian army (and the authorities, respectively) shows their complete helplessness, then the Protestants will immediately sweep away the ayatollah. If not, then real cohesion will appear.
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            I don’t want to make forecasts, but I’m sure that the current government will be able to show firmness and extinguish possible protests.
  6. 75 Sergey 9 January 2020 10: 18 New
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    They put engines with the MiG-29, and shouldn't the air intakes be identical in size?
  7. Andy 9 January 2020 10: 37 New
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    would buy from the Chinese. or created together with them, would gain experience and save time.
    1. Star Destroyer 9 January 2020 11: 54 New
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      Iran is under sanctions; there is no way to buy weapons.
  8. CommanderDIVA 9 January 2020 10: 45 New
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    I wonder whose engine and radar on the Qaher-313
  9. Chingachguk 9 January 2020 10: 49 New
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    From these fighters in the sky will be useless, as well as from their missile strike at the bases of the United States.
  10. smaug78 9 January 2020 11: 14 New
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    There is nothing to fight ...
  11. Fibrizio 9 January 2020 13: 22 New
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    Iran is clamped on three sides by NATO-controlled territory. the country itself is 1200 km long by 2200 (approximately). Its airspace will be blocked without flying into its territory. If not all, then the border areas are 400-600 km for sure. So everything that flew quickly falls back.
    So investing in the purchase of aircraft in a major war is a waste of money.
    And airplanes are the most expensive equipment that happens.
  12. Pavel57 9 January 2020 14: 26 New
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    The main problem is that we still cannot speak with confidence about the capabilities of the new aircraft and the number of Azarakhsh issued (a number of sources speak of several dozen produced aircraft). Earlier, the media called two Russian RD-33s, the same as those on the MiG-29, as the basis of the power plant for this machine. The N019ME Topaz was indicated as a radar, as on the MiG-29SD, with the ability to work more or less efficiently on ground targets.

    And what he had as weapons, I have never met.
  13. NIKAPIKA 9 January 2020 15: 50 New
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    Introduced in 2013, the Iranian “invisible” fighter can rightfully be considered the strangest “stealth” (provided, of course, this wording is generally appropriate here). Recall that for a long time no one heard of a small single-seat car, outwardly unlike anything at all. However, in 2017 taxi tests of this aircraft developed by the Iran Aviation Industries Organization (IAIO) company began.


    I am sure that this is not realistic, seeing the air intakes, will lead that, as soon as the angle of attack is greater than 1º, the engines will enter the surge.
    1. Santa Fe 10 January 2020 10: 28 New
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      These are the high technologies in developed Iran

      Even the scarecrow mockup could not be made to look realistic
  14. Old26 9 January 2020 16: 11 New
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    I think that in modern conditions Iran needs to think more about layered air defense at all levels throughout the country.

    Alexei! Air defense from the aviation component is not able to solve all problems. Moreover, such a hodgepodge as the Iranians.

    Quote: The same Lech
    Normal air defense will minimize all US aviation efforts ...

    Where did you see normal air defense? Iran?

    Quote: The same Lech
    Milosevic didn’t have enough banal patience and will ... to hold out after a wave of ax blows ... the Americans simply didn’t have their supplies ... they took the Serbs to show off so to speak ... so they broke.

    Do not write nonsense, Alex. For three years, only 1991-1993, more than 1000 missiles were purchased. Monthly production - minimum 20, maximum 60 rockets per month. In an emergency, up to 120 missiles per month. Even with a minimum of 20 missiles until 1999 (to Yugoslavia, which is 17 years of production), more than 4000 missiles were built. And by that time only 818 was used up in conflicts. So the story about the fact that if Milosevic had "stood still the night and lasted a day" and the Americans would have run out of rockets - only a jingoistic patriotic bike

    Quote: Krasnodar
    Iran has another trump card - not air defense and not aviation. They have relatively many missiles that can strike at bases and infrastructure of US allies in BV

    Also not a trump card. According to various estimates, the Iranians have the same Fateh missiles from 3 to 6 hundred, and the formations are a brigade or two, that is, from 12 to 18 launchers. They will be able to conduct the first few volleys - then the hunt will begin. In the case of medium-range missiles, there is an even worse ratio. Fewer missiles.
    Of course, the Iranians can make statements that they are ready to bring 80 missiles to Israel, but estimates of the missile potential are much more modest. The stock of missiles is from 200 units (optimistic estimate) to 4,5-8 thousand (unlikely). Although of course at the beginning of the conflict will be used to the maximum

    Quote: Krasnodar
    I also think that they will crush economically and fit into the moment of protests.

    The most realistic, kmk scenario. Moreover, Iran is multinational and points of "tension"
    there must be ...

    Quote: Monster_Fat
    Pakistan is the only country that can supply Chinese resources to Iran through its territory, but the Americans have a significant influence on Pakistan and therefore, I do not think that Pakistan will help Iran in anything. So, Iran does not shine anything good in the event of a full-fledged war with the United States.

    In Pakistan, the majority are Sunnis.

    Quote: Vol4ara
    Yugoslavia did not have the Persian Gulf with oil. In which case he will block the navigable part with tankers and flood. All the plants on the territory of the SA and the base of amers that they reach will be halved, and oh my god! the homeland of many influential politicians in the US and the world will also get nuts. Therefore Iran is not Yugoslavia

    Alexander! This option could have been implemented thirty years ago during the tanker war. Now the oil-producing countries of the Gulf have oil pipelines running either through Oman to the Arabian Sea or through the territory of Saudi Arabia to Red. Of course, these pipelines will not be able to fully compensate for the lack of tanker movement, but it is also impossible to say that the flow of oil will stop. But given the fact that NONE of Iran’s oil pipelines extend beyond the national territory, this will mean only one thing. Oil imports from Iran will cease.
    They’ll not move in half. On the example of the use of drones and the Kyrgyz Republic, it is not worthwhile to conclude once on the failure of the UkrSA oil industry and the destruction of US military bases in the region. The same Saudi Arabia has Chinese medium-range missiles and will certainly use them against Iranian targets. And the superiority of American aircraft in the air will reduce the risk of missile attacks. Iran does not have many launchers with large stocks of missiles ...

    Quote: yuliatreb
    Kina will not, the match is negotiable, but it is for the better.

    And thank God.

    Quote: yuliatreb
    Yes, and hardly a pin .. Americans and their friends used the F-35 in a conflict with Iran, not knowing all the capabilities of the S-300, which modification the complex was delivered to Iran no one knows.

    Delivered PMU-2. This we did not hide. As for the complex itself, it is spread throughout the entire country, and one division is simply not able to do anything against the massive raid. And they don’t need to immediately apply F-35. There are enough other planes

    Quote: 75Sergey
    They put engines with the MiG-29, and shouldn't the air intakes be identical in size?

    The Iranians? probably not. They have their own vision of the problem ... laughing
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      And they don’t need to immediately apply F-35.

      And what? Can't the S-300 shoot down the F-35? There are probably no problems with this at all.
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    And where should they fly?
    They have rockets and work quite well !!
  16. Knell wardenheart 9 January 2020 19: 16 New
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    Already for one name, Azaraksh (as Masaraksh is straight!) And Kasher (well, it’s more sonorous, but :-) I would wish Iranian aircraft builders a successful search and creation of new aircraft, with no less delivering names)
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    Interestingly, the Iranians do not scream at every corner about their designs until they roll out a sample from the hangar. Our same flatulence in this regard.
  18. nod739 10 January 2020 00: 26 New
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    Do they have good pilots? .. For the same ten old twinkles29?
  19. honest people 10 January 2020 05: 00 New
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    Quote: Winnie76
    Quote: honest people
    Customize how you will accept payment?

    Oil, pistachios, gold, but you never know what.

    It was already ending with palm oil!
  20. Free wind 10 January 2020 08: 18 New
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    two napalom tanks, it sounds cool of course, but it's right to say two pots of gasoline.
  21. Kostadinov 10 January 2020 10: 49 New
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    Iran demonstrated how to gain air superiority. Several missiles at the airbase and everyone there will be in Ukraine for hours and days. During this time, these bases can be occupied by ground forces.
  22. Old26 10 January 2020 12: 38 New
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    Quote: Old26
    And they don’t need to immediately apply F-35.

    And what? Can't the S-300 shoot down the F-35? There are probably no problems with this at all.

    They can shoot down, they can. But one must be the last idiot to be the first to throw exclusively new aircraft into the meat grinder. First, they will make the most dangerous air defense systems, then the F-35 will be able to fly quietly ...
  23. _Ugene_ 10 January 2020 13: 14 New
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    Iran does not have aviation capable of resisting the United States and its allies, and no ground air defense in such conditions will save, the suppression of it is a matter of time, but it does not matter, as one Iranian correctly noted -
    Russians often do not understand what is happening in the Middle East. But this is understandable to the Iranians. A resident explained that the Middle East crisis has dragged on for more than one hundred years. And never ends. Why so? The answer is: the US authorities, like the Iranian authorities, are interested in maintaining the crisis.
    Tehran needs a crisis in order to maintain a regime of power, the totalitarianism of which is growing every time.
    The United States is interested in a crisis to continue the arms trade with the Saudis and its other allies.
    But there will be no full-scale war, because no one wants it.
  24. Sasha_rulevoy 10 January 2020 18: 57 New
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    Over the Iranian F-35th, the entire Internet was already laughing a lot. There the cabin is such that the pilot’s knees touch his ears, instead of the dashboard there is a screen from the navigator, a joystick from a computer console, etc. A photo where he is flying is a photo montage. This is just a plastic mockup.

    According to Flight Global, unnamed Israeli experts say the "indigenous fighter jet" Iran presented on 2 February is nothing more than a "very sleek plastic model". Further, the canopy appears to be constructed of "basic plastic," the air intakes are unusually small and "The whole impression is of some plastic parts pasted to an old flying platform". One expert says the cockpit and ejection seat seem real, but the Qaher-313 displayed seemed too small to be a capable fighter. A photo of the cockpit shows a simple glass cockpit design using civilian avionics from Dynon Avionics and Garmin, which are normally found on much less sophisticated general aviation aircraft. The markings on the backup airspeed indicator in this photo seem unrealistic, suggesting a stall speed in landing configuration of merely 70 knots (81 mph) and a never exceed speed of about 260 knots (300 mph); values ​​more likely to be found on a small turboprop aircraft. [26] Video footage showing the plane airborne could have been a radio-controlled model aircraft. Poor-quality footage posted on the internet provided no sense of scale for the platform being flown and also failed to show its take-off or landing. Its stealth claims have also been called into question, having no visible weapons carrying capability, either internally or externally. [27] [28] Iran has stated that the videos are of small radio controlled jet and propeller models and not the full size airplane.
    (Wiki)
  25. shoroh 10 January 2020 21: 38 New
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    The army is not only a weapon, but also experts who can use it correctly. Give Iran a hundred su35, but they will not have so many qualified pilots to use all the capabilities of this technology. I think their aerobatic school is extremely weak, where does it come from. The same story with air defense and other equipment. And so for the good they need to create the Air Force from scratch. First, take some used drying, order them to upgrade. And start teaching pilots to fight. And so, their affairs will be bad. And no ground air defense will save.
  26. taurtaurov 10 January 2020 23: 21 New
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    I already wrote that Iran has nothing but rockets and infantry, THEY ARE FIGHTING HOW AS in the last century they were accompanied by rubber paddles on the paddles of the AUG stripes, HOW TO HIT THE EMPTY BASE OF STRIPES is enough to haul the turbidity, and if they bobbed the dill, then they are like and Syrians taggers <! - filter: -> damn <! - / filter ->
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    Only the transfer of hostilities to the United States can stop the states.
  28. Bibabo 11 January 2020 00: 53 New
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    The trouble with such “regimes” is that, for the sake of maintaining the regime, a mentality far from rationalism is cultivated among the people. This harmed the USSR (in spite of the sharashka that developed to academic campuses, which allowed the use of wise men, keeping them isolated from the "wonderful people" that they could "spoil"), and it hurts Russia now.
  29. cat Rusich 12 January 2020 04: 25 New
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    Syria and Bashar Assad were also on the verge of destruction. Russia and V. Putin saved Syria. the United States will "growl" at Iran. There will be no way to “score” Iran with the USA. There will be “friends” who will render “assistance” to Iran, as an example Vietnam. About Iranian aviation: Qaher-313, Kowsar, Saeqeh will go against Turkmenistan, but against Pakistan, Turkey ... no longer.
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    Well, at least they are trying to blind, Antonov already can not do this.