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The Ukrainian Prime Minister had to explain why the airline did not cancel Tehran-Kiev flight

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The Ukrainian Prime Minister had to explain why the airline did not cancel Tehran-Kiev flight

Questions were sent to the management regarding why the Ukrainian air carrier UIA did not decide to cancel the Tehran-Kiev flight due to the complicated situation in the region. Recall that the Boeing 737 airliner of Ukraine International Airlines crashed today near the airport named after Imam Khomeini near Tehran. All the people on board died.


The supreme authorities of Ukraine have to explain about the decision of the air carrier. Prime Minister Alexei Goncharuk noted that Iran’s airspace was also used today by other Ukrainian airlines. According to him, the events in Iran developed rapidly, and therefore the company did not even have time to consider the possibility of taking any measures.



Head of the Ukrainian government:

There were no prerequisites for the “yesterday” state (prohibition of the use of Iranian airspace) to believe that events would occur in this way. We investigate and establish whether there were prerequisites for closing flights and making personnel decisions.

Recall that earlier in some Middle Eastern media there were notes that an Iranian missile allegedly hit the plane. Iranian authorities called these reports a lie and noted that Iran has nothing to do with the crash of the Ukrainian airline. The main version of the disaster is called a possible technical malfunction.

It became known that at the moment all Boeing's flight recorders have been discovered and sent for decryption.

From the statement of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine:
The investigation should be as transparent as possible. All countries whose citizens were on board should be connected to it.


Meanwhile, a list of the dead. The list contains 167 passengers and 11 crew members. Two passengers, as it turned out, did not board the unfortunate side. Among the dead are citizens of Ukraine, Iran, Afghanistan, Canada, Sweden, and Great Britain.


The vast majority are of Arab and Persian origin.



According to recent reports, the aircraft began to rapidly fall, gaining a height of about 2,4 thousand meters - a few minutes after takeoff. The version of the attack on board is not excluded.
Photos used:
Instagram / UIA (UIA)
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  1. spirit
    spirit 8 January 2020 15: 00
    +1
    The spread of fragments as in an explosion, plus height already gained, and this is most important, even if one engine caught fire then you can plant on the second. I think all the same I didn’t fall.
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 8 January 2020 15: 03
      +25
      We will wait for the conclusion of the official version.
      1. Machito
        Machito 8 January 2020 15: 11
        +17
        Condolences to family and friends.
        All airlines had time, and Ukraine was late. It is very similar to a plane shot down by Ukraine in the Donbass. If not Iran was shot down, then who? Mattresses? Itself fell on time?
        1. Sergey39
          Sergey39 8 January 2020 15: 23
          +13
          Quote: Bearded
          If not Iran was shot down, then who? Mattresses? Itself fell on time?

          The main thing here is “Who benefits?” Are there any significant figures among the passengers and whose are they?
          1. Terentich
            Terentich 8 January 2020 15: 42
            -44
            Quote: Sergey39
            The main thing here is, Who benefits?

            Yes, it is not beneficial to anyone. Everything is obvious there as twice two. The plane crashed just at the time Iran launched the rocket at Amer bases, there is a video of eyewitnesses of the crash of the plane with a fire loop, and the plane is only three years old. Well, what other questions might there be? Iran shot down a plane by accident.
            1. Sergey39
              Sergey39 8 January 2020 16: 21
              +4
              This is one of the options for the fall of aircraft.
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                1. Sergey39
                  Sergey39 8 January 2020 17: 03
                  +4
                  It is precisely in this case that the United States is profitable to blame Iran.
                  1. Shurik70
                    Shurik70 8 January 2020 18: 41
                    0
                    And from where in Iran are British citizens?
                    And Canada and Sweden to boot.
                    Maybe just a crowd of spies evacuated before the war?
                    Then it could be Iran’s operation.
                    1. Altona
                      Altona 8 January 2020 20: 09
                      +3
                      Quote: Shurik70
                      And from where in Iran are British citizens?
                      And Canada and Sweden to boot.

                      -----------------------------
                      Oil specialists, either with appropriate equipment or with related equipment.
                      1. Shurik70
                        Shurik70 8 January 2020 21: 54
                        +2
                        So the spy will not officially declare in the visa: "The purpose of the visit is espionage."
                        Naturally, these will be specialists ... of deep drilling.
                        But if this operation is the Iranian special services, then they will not be recognized. Besides spies there are many who died.
                2. figwam
                  figwam 8 January 2020 17: 10
                  +18
                  Quote: Terentich
                  In the world no one even argues why the plane crashed, it immediately became obvious to everyone.

                  I look at us here, a US lawyer drew in, tell us how can we shoot down a low-flying air target with a ballistic unguided missile? And the whole world will laugh at you.
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                    1. figwam
                      figwam 8 January 2020 17: 31
                      +15
                      Quote: Terentich
                      The air defense just worked, thinking that the answer was from the USA.

                      What is the answer? a civilian plane just took off from a civilian airport near Tehran, there are almost 500 km to the nearest Iraqi border, before writing, you need to think a little.
                      Quote: Terentich
                      only Iran is in no hurry to transfer them to Ukraine. "Another coincidence? I don't think so."

                      They are not obliged to transfer anything, the majority of the dead are Iranians and the territory of the disaster is Iran.
                      1. Terentich
                        Terentich 8 January 2020 17: 41
                        -11
                        Quote: figvam
                        They are not obliged to transfer anything, most of the dead Iranians and the territory of the disaster are Iran

                        And who owns the plane? According to the law, they are obliged to transfer boxes either to the owner of the aircraft, which is Ukraine, or to the manufacturer, which is Boeing. fellow
                        Quote: figvam
                        a civilian plane just took off from a civilian airport near Tehran, where almost 500 km to the nearest Iraqi border

                        Um ...
                        Quote: figvam
                        Than write to think at least a little.

                        I really tried to think ... but I still could not understand what was written above. what
                      2. figwam
                        figwam 8 January 2020 17: 50
                        +4
                        Quote: Terentich
                        According to the law, they are obliged to transfer boxes either to the owner of the aircraft, which is Ukraine, or to the manufacturer, which is Boeing.

                        They are not obliged, they can invite specialists from Boeing to help decipher, and after the investigation is over, transfer the wreckage and black boxes to the owners of the aircraft.
                        Quote: Terentich
                        I really tried to think ... but I still could not understand what was written above.

                        You were the first to write about otvetka usa! So where could it start? Correctly from the territory of Iraq, Iranian air defense could not at all confuse the retaliatory strike of the United States with the takeoff of a passenger plane in the interior of the country. Is it clear now?
                      3. Thompson
                        Thompson 8 January 2020 18: 11
                        +3
                        You tell the Dutch about this about the Malaysian board.
                      4. venik
                        venik 8 January 2020 19: 33
                        +1
                        Quote: Terentich
                        I really tried to think ...

                        ========
                        Lord And you also IT (think) know how??? Or the attempt was unsuccessful?? request
                3. Tersky
                  Tersky 8 January 2020 17: 15
                  +16
                  Quote: Terentich
                  That's just all the facts say that there is only one option and it is the only true one.

                  And all because "Terentich" is the "truth" of the first instance. Are you tired of trolling? The time of shelling and the time of departure of the board, as it is under the "truth from Terentech" do not want to go. Especially considering that the Tehran-Kiev flight, which ended in a disaster, was delayed for an hour. Initially, it was supposed to start from Iran at 05:15, but it was delayed by almost an hour and took off to 06:12 (local time). Even latecomers managed to get on board. Missile launch time (01:30 local time) towards US military bases. But do not forget about the version of the attack.
                  1. Terentich
                    Terentich 8 January 2020 17: 33
                    -12
                    Quote: Tersky
                    Rocket Launch Time (00:30 local time)

                    Where do you get such data? The earliest reports of shelling of bases appeared at 5:36 am. Moreover, these first messages were NOT "Iran fired at US bases" A "Iran STARTED firing at US bases. I repeat at 5:36 check it out for yourself. Now compare with yours
                    Quote: Tersky
                    and took off at 06:12
                    1. Tersky
                      Tersky 8 January 2020 18: 04
                      +15
                      Quote: Terentich
                      "A" Iran STARTED shelling of US bases. I repeat at 5:36, check it yourself

                      What happened in the IRGC was called "merciless revenge" for the murder of the general, The Forthaz Fassihi, a New York Times journalist, said. She also noted that the American base was hit in about 01:20 - at the same time when the US attacked Suleimani on January 3,
                      Are you able to distinguish a ballistic missile from an air defense missile? If so, explain to me what will happen to the plane when it gets into it. ballistic !!!! (Karl !!!) rockets in the air? If you are not able, then stop breeding a buzu on a branch. Thickly troll, and most importantly stupid and stupid, and trolling on VO punish.
                    2. artifact
                      artifact 8 January 2020 18: 36
                      +3
                      does not converge:
                      LIGHTNING: Iran launched a massive missile strike at US bases
                      News is being updated.
                      08.01.2020 - 2: 25
                      Source: https://rusvesna.su/news/1578439510
                      Home> News



                      08.01.2020 - 4: 04
                      URGENT: the second wave of attacks on US bases, Trump is preparing an appeal to the nation (VIDEO)

                      time difference between Moscow and Tehran is 30 minutes
            2. Zheleznyak
              Zheleznyak 8 January 2020 16: 42
              +8
              Yes, like rockets fired around 1:20 midnight? And the flight took off early in the morning ... to all relatives and friends of condolences ...
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                1. Victoria-V
                  Victoria-V 8 January 2020 17: 07
                  +1
                  I do not want to argue with you at all. But the teachings in Ukraine - google, whose teachings were these? And on today's Boeing 737 aircraft - any aircraft engineer will tell you everything by video.
                2. Zheleznyak
                  Zheleznyak 8 January 2020 18: 16
                  +4
                  Darling, earth-to-ground missiles are not redirected to airborne targets, or whatever they are, but fly along a given ballistic trajectory, or according to a given program (cruise missiles) Something is strange how you promote your version, suspiciously ... it’s clear that every it happens, but when such stupid arguments ... either you're me for an idiot ... which is not thought out insulting, and therefore short-sighted ... or you have not everything in order with your head ... Here you should create a Smersh on the resource. .. you would be interested ...
                  1. yustas
                    yustas 8 January 2020 21: 40
                    0
                    You now can not explain it to many here. And most importantly, these are Soviet missiles, and they themselves are aimed anywhere, such will be the appeal and our opinion and knowledge, no one will take into account. Hiley likes, what would all of them.
            3. artifact
              artifact 8 January 2020 16: 59
              +8
              Quote: Terentich
              Iran shot down a plane by accident.

              what, a ballistic missile, in the sense of such an air "accident" or what?
              how far did missiles start from imam Khameini airport?
              Of course there is an option that they shot down the air defense system for American aircraft, but something is doubtful ...
              1. Terentich
                Terentich 8 January 2020 17: 06
                -13
                Quote: artifact
                but something is doubtful

                Of course, it is doubtful ... not that such statements are beyond belief.
                Quote: figvam
                Only the Americans can take control of a Boeing, they overwhelmed him.
                good wassat good
                1. artifact
                  artifact 8 January 2020 17: 13
                  +3
                  it’s not about taking control, why did he catch fire then, maybe the attack is all the same!?
                  1. Terentich
                    Terentich 8 January 2020 17: 34
                    -9
                    Quote: artifact
                    what did he catch on fire then

                    Well, the rocket hit the plane to the brim with the same fuel. hi
                    1. artifact
                      artifact 8 January 2020 17: 53
                      +1
                      what is the probability of such a collision and what should be the force of the explosion!? I'm afraid that there would be nothing to plan (as in the video) with such a hit
            4. Protos
              Protos 8 January 2020 20: 12
              +1
              Between the launch of missiles on am and take-off of a Boeing 5 hours !!!!
            5. yustas
              yustas 8 January 2020 21: 36
              0
              Well, yes, a ground-to-ground missile, it itself was aimed at the infrared trail of an airplane and shot down ... nonsense ... Who needs it, well, obviously not to Iran. And so my condolences to all those who were not involved, but who suffered. Someone plays cards, and someone pays with life
          2. krot
            krot 8 January 2020 15: 43
            +6
            The Sumerians "show-off pounding" allegedly about the steep sagacity of managing any issues .. But in fact, bombing their own Donbass with missiles and from planes, civilian planes quietly flew over Donbass for months !!! And no one even thought ..
            1. bar
              bar 8 January 2020 17: 26
              +2
              They thought. And the thought was "what about us?"
          3. DMB_95
            DMB_95 8 January 2020 15: 57
            +20
            Quote: Sergey39
            Quote: Bearded
            If not Iran was shot down, then who? Mattresses? Itself fell on time?

            The main thing here is “Who benefits?” Are there any significant figures among the passengers and whose are they?

            The fall of Boeing is, of course, beneficial only to the States, and certainly not to Iran. Now, if the United States launches an information attack under the slogan "Iran is shooting down civilian planes!" , then after a while the Iranian leadership will be declared war criminals (possibly even on behalf of the UN), they will be required to extradite them, to which Iran, of course, will not agree ....... And no one will remember how it all began.
          4. figwam
            figwam 8 January 2020 16: 05
            +9
            Quote: Sergey39
            The main thing here is “Who benefits?” Are there any significant figures among the passengers and whose are they?

            That's right. Only the Americans can take control of a Boeing, they overwhelmed him.
            1. Tavi
              Tavi 8 January 2020 20: 13
              0
              Here is the same, such a thought flashed, for example, remotely bring the engine to the beyond, so that it would catch fire, and then blame it on the pilot’s mistake.
          5. Serg koma
            Serg koma 8 January 2020 16: 13
            +11
            Quote: Sergey39
            The main thing here is "Who benefits?"

            Putin flew - MH17 shot down. Putin again flew (to Syria, possibly via Iran) and was shot down again (???).
            Again "guilty" will be Russia, or its allies - Regularity however.
            1. Victoria-V
              Victoria-V 8 January 2020 17: 09
              +3
              No need to jerk. Innocent people died.
          6. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 8 January 2020 18: 17
            +1
            As with that Malaysian "Boeing" - who benefited? Again, "MAU" belongs to Kolomoisky - possibly hitting him. Although it is not excluded that the airplane itself was "staggered" to the point of disgrace.
            1. bar
              bar 8 January 2020 18: 55
              +1
              The Eroplan was new there, the fly did not sit. They write that even THEN passed on the 5th.
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 8 January 2020 19: 04
                0
                Where does the airplane information come from?
                1. bar
                  bar 8 January 2020 19: 37
                  -1
                  Fully where already reported, even on the radio. For example
                  https://lenta.ru/news/2020/01/08/svezhiy/
                  1. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 8 January 2020 20: 08
                    -3
                    Radio and television are not the most reliable sources of information. What did Boeing say on this issue? If it turns out that these are again some technical flaws, then they will be very sad, in the light of recent events.
                    1. bar
                      bar 8 January 2020 20: 14
                      +1
                      As the saying goes, "there is no reason not to trust" (C).
                      And what are the claims to the Boeing? This model has been produced since the last millennium, has not been seen in anything criminal. Already plundered several thousand.
          7. Lelek
            Lelek 8 January 2020 23: 49
            +2
            Quote: Sergey39
            The main thing here is "Who benefits?"

            hi
            Yes, it’s not beneficial to anyone, and first of all, to Ruin, which has once again been ruined (and there are still claims from the victims ahead).
        2. cost
          cost 8 January 2020 15: 32
          +6
          For the flight, 269 people 2 checked in and checked in XNUMX did not appear for boarding. So that the version of the attack also has a place to be
          1. bar
            bar 8 January 2020 17: 31
            -1
            269 ​​people checked in and checked in their luggage

            Given that the 737-800, even in the economy version, has a capacity of only 189 people, this is more than strange.
            1. beeper
              beeper 8 January 2020 18: 13
              +4
              Ottie Bose, Bar! wink To be honest, you yourself never had a census and you were 100% literate in writing (and the "smart" device never annoyingly corrected you on the sly from its previous "accumulated vocabulary"?), Where does such a manneredly accented "perfectionism" - do you really find fault with "numbers and letters" so little to assert yourself on your colleague (maybe he saw a slip of the tongue, but he doesn't know how I didn't know this for a long time and didn't use that on VO for 10 minutes the text is still available for auto-correct-edit or auto-delete - after all, there are corresponding icons at the bottom right?!) ??! smile
              If everyone else, except you, Bar, as I see, well understood the Main Thought of comrade-colleague Rich about two baggage handlers, but then passengers who didn’t board the plane (in certain circumstances, it’s quite possible terrorists) ?! winked
              Instead of a single, the commenter wrote a dvoekka and instead of 169 it turned out 269!
              In the Commented Article, the correct figure is, it’s hard for me to imagine that neither you nor Comrade Rich read it, or did not read earlier messages about this hopelessly (all died!) - a sad plane crash ?!
              1. bar
                bar 8 January 2020 18: 53
                -1
                Ottie Bose, Bar!

                Thank you for your attention to my humble person. On my remark in one sentence the whole screen of the text was not too lazy laughing
                And typos yes, and I have. What a sin to conceal.
                1. beeper
                  beeper 8 January 2020 19: 39
                  +1
                  hi I just thought, comrade-colleague of Bar, that you are too strict and next time, it is likely that you will make a similar remark to me (I am not without sin, I am mistaken, and more than once!) - therefore I "worked ahead of the curve" "with little blood and on foreign territory"! No offense for the "friendly fire", okay ?! wink
                  Until now, I can not master the entire "toolkit" of the Site, possible when writing comments, only recently I learned how to correctly highlight quotes. request
                  I would like (I think that many colleagues will support me ??! winked ) read an editorial with an "educational program" on the topic of comments, all these letters B and I, icons and text highlights. After all, purely by "typing" and contextual snippets from the comments of our colleagues, only after two years of active participation-writing reviews, I accidentally found out that your text can be edited after "emerging" on the general VO screen, although not for long, I also learned this purely empirical ... smile
                  And as I "scribble" and "set out" very quickly, this is just "not strained"! feel
                  "A whole screen of text" (it is always more difficult to write much, briefly, to the point, so that each word "hits the target", all the more, taking into account the prevalence of the current "clip thinking" among readers and the general "desirability" of very small texts- " in a couple of lines maximum "!) It's not difficult for me to write, the skills gained from a mechanical typewriter!
                  I am only very much slowed down by a "smart" device, "intellectually ruling" my text according to its "understanding" - it was not possible to neutralize all the "smart" functions of the "operating system", so I often have to come back and correct the "proofreading" on the small screen literally poking with a calloused rather big finger in small letters and signs ...
                  I have long wanted to raise the issue of the relevance of the "educational program on the VO Site toolkit, across the entire spectrum of possibilities", about which, alas, there is nowhere to read and find out, like me, not quite competent in this - "non-computer (not" advanced users ")" old men , but here "by the way I had to", albeit on the mega-sad and tragic occasion of the mass death of people! request
                  But the life of the living goes on, I hope that the respected VO Editorial Board will respond to my "spontaneous" initiative not only with another warning for "leaving the topic" ??! winked
                  1. bar
                    bar 8 January 2020 19: 45
                    -1
                    read an editorial with an "educational program" on the topic of comments, all these letters B and I, icons and text highlights.

                    Nothing tricky here. B - bold text, I - oblique italics.
                    But I don’t understand how rating is shielded. Either an automatic machine for the shield +/- (although the numbers do not agree), or the moderator draws himself as much as he wants (such suspicions were also)
                    1. beeper
                      beeper 8 January 2020 19: 56
                      +1
                      hi Here it is! good Thank you very much for your clarification, comrade Bar!
                      I love all sorts of useful "bells and whistles" - additional opportunities for self-expression (including visually) and in "raising the commentary on the map" - highlighting "axial thoughts"! smile
                      How much I understood for myself, the individual rating is considered, depends on the rating "weight of shoulder straps" of colleagues who gave you the pros and cons, and not on their number (or the number of their own comments)! winked
                      1. bar
                        bar 8 January 2020 20: 03
                        +2
                        the rating is considered -depends on the rating "shoulder straps weight" of colleagues who gave you pros and cons

                        I guessed about it. Once, due to one careless remark addressed to the respected Mr. Skomorokhov, whose position I did not know at that time due to inexperience, I was demoted to the rank of private. Now, just in case, I try not to read his articles, otherwise I will suddenly not hold back and blur out something out of stupidity. Apparently the army traditions "I am the boss, you ..." are sacredly observed on the site.
                        Here is the right now and check laughing
                      2. yustas
                        yustas 8 January 2020 22: 24
                        0
                        These traditions are not only damn, but also Blue and sulk all)
              2. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 9 January 2020 02: 48
                +3
                Quote: pishchak
                two passengers who checked in but not boarded the plane

                I still wildly apologize, but this is not done. If a passenger has checked in his luggage and then hasn’t appeared: luggage is found and unloaded, this is without options. Without the owner, bags that are forgotten in the labyrinths of the airport are caught up with their owners: but they are checked in full and separately documented.
            2. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 8 January 2020 18: 19
              -8
              Nothing strange, if necessary, the Bandera airplane will raise 300 snouts, but partially in the luggage compartment.
        3. Kleber
          Kleber 8 January 2020 15: 36
          +6
          Quote: Bearded
          All airlines had time, and Ukraine was late


          And Ukraine is always a little late, so it's always a little in shit.
        4. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 8 January 2020 16: 06
          0
          Quote: Bearded
          All airlines had time, and Ukraine was late.

          And ours in time?
        5. Nikolay Belykh
          Nikolay Belykh 8 January 2020 16: 32
          +2
          Not all. Aircraft of some companies landed and took off before and immediately after the crash.
          Now, of course, the nuts were tightened.
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        7. sailor roman
          sailor roman 8 January 2020 20: 04
          +5
          The probability that this is the work of the special services of the United States or Israel is very high, since only the United States and Israel are interested in this plane crash. They need to convince the world that Iran is a terrorist country, and the West needs to announce new sanctions.
      2. littoral
        littoral 8 January 2020 15: 12
        0
        Quote: Pessimist22
        We will wait for the conclusion of the official version.

        The official version of whom?
      3. Borik
        Borik 8 January 2020 15: 15
        +6
        Pessimist22 (Igor) Today, 15: 03 NEW
        0
        We will wait for the conclusion of the official version.


        There will be one version. All guilty recognize Iran.
      4. Prisoner
        Prisoner 8 January 2020 16: 13
        +2
        Let's wait. What is it there? It only seems that this version will be a goofy excuse.
      5. Nikolay Belykh
        Nikolay Belykh 8 January 2020 16: 30
        +4
        There may be problems with this. With the official version.
        In theory, a catastrophe should be investigated in the United States (aircraft and engines were produced there) with the involvement of Iran as the country over whose territory it occurred and Ukraine as the formal owner of the aircraft.
        Those. black boxes must be handed over to the USA.
        But the info has already passed that Iran refuses to transfer black boxes to the States. It is clear after what events.
        And how to be here?
      6. Piramidon
        Piramidon 8 January 2020 18: 01
        +1
        Quote: Pessimist22
        We will wait for the conclusion of the official version.

        Watching who will be appointed investigators. Can be entrusted to the Dutch. If this is really a man-made disaster, then we will wait for another 10-15 years, as in the case of the Boeing 777 of flight MH17 over Donbass.
      7. Piramidon
        Piramidon 8 January 2020 19: 20
        0
        Quote: Pessimist22
        We will wait for the conclusion of the official version.

        The Dutch need to entrust the investigation, then another 10-15 years we will wait for the conclusion.
    2. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 8 January 2020 15: 18
      -2
      Quote: spirit
      The spread of fragments as in an explosion, plus height already gained, and this is most important, even if one engine caught fire then you can plant on the second. I think all the same I didn’t fall.

      You are not the only one to think so. Photo from the link below. In vain, Iran reminded the United States of a plane shot down in 1988.
      More and more photos from the crash site of the Ukrainian liner near Tehran appear on the network. Aviators note that the nature of the damage on the wreckage of the fuselage indicates a rupture of an anti-aircraft guided missile near the aircraft. These are typical openings from combined striking elements of SAM.

    3. maidan.izrailovich
      maidan.izrailovich 8 January 2020 15: 26
      -1
      I think all the same I didn’t fall.

      If you would like to harm Iran in this way, you would most likely choose an NATO member airline.
      1. Avior
        Avior 8 January 2020 15: 32
        +2
        Before UIA, Lufthansa took off
      2. AllBiBek
        AllBiBek 8 January 2020 15: 40
        -12
        But how would most passengers on board have Canadian citizenship, is this not enough for you?
        1. seti
          seti 8 January 2020 16: 15
          +4
          What kind of nonsense? The vast majority of Iranians. Canadians are not many.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 8 January 2020 16: 32
            +2
            Quote: seti
            Canadians are not many.

            about 80 people
        2. Normal
          Normal 8 January 2020 17: 05
          +3
          Ha, so Canada is a favorite place for emigration of Ukrainians. so the passport itself, citizenship, is not an equal sign of nationality. Most emigrants from Ukraine nest exactly in Canada.
      3. Prisoner
        Prisoner 8 January 2020 16: 15
        0
        So they recaptured flights. And here is such a convenient carrier from the country, ready to do anything for the opportunity to hang out with the "elders".
      4. den3080
        den3080 8 January 2020 16: 33
        +4
        Quote: maidan.izrailovich
        I think all the same I didn’t fall.

        If you would like to harm Iran in this way, you would most likely choose an NATO member airline.

        Since when has Malaysia been a member of NATO? it's about MN-17.
        And the effect turned out to be necessary, the United States and its allies are still rubbing their hands.
        And here, Ukraine is not accustomed to be in shit, then diarrhea, then scrofula always. And she agreed to everything (Ukraine). It’s also normal.
      5. Zoomlion
        Zoomlion 8 January 2020 16: 44
        +2
        It’s unlikely that NATO. As the main patient, they keep Ukrainians. And it’s not a pity, and in turn, like their
    4. eagle owl
      eagle owl 8 January 2020 15: 53
      +1
      Ukraine’s International Airlines does not suggest a crew error as the cause of the crash in Iran’s Tehran, said Igor Sosnovsky, UIA Vice President for Flight Operations, Gordon reports.

      “Knowing that Tehran is not a simple airport, all our training, of the entire flight crew ... the last few years have been carried out exclusively at the Tehran airport ... Therefore, in the process of checks it is the skill of the pilots that is checked in order to assess their actions in an emergency. that the plane gained 2400 meters altitude, the crew error is minimal. We simply do not assume it. Given their experience, it is very difficult to say that there was something with the crew, "Sosnovsky said.
    5. Maz
      Maz 8 January 2020 17: 08
      -2
      In the facebook it is noted that all airlines canceled flights and only the stubborn ones managed to be an exception
  2. Kenji
    Kenji 8 January 2020 15: 00
    +10
    Condolences to all relatives and friends of the victims. It’s bad that now they can inflate another storm and present the Persians as the main "empire of evil", dumping everything they can on them (plane crashes are a favorite argument, you don’t need to look far for examples).
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 8 January 2020 15: 11
      +11
      Quote: Kenji
      It is bad that now they can inflate another storm and present them as the main "empire of evil" of the Persians, dumping everything they can on them

      I agree. You don't have to go far for examples - the ever-memorable Malaysian Boeing. I don’t care that the Ukrainian dispatchers brought him to the right place, I don’t care the evidence of an obviously disinterested party (Russia) - the culprit was appointed, period. Further, the current media (especially "democratic", Western) will do the rest ...
      So I would not be surprised if it turns out that the plane will be "shot down" by another "evil empire" in the form of Iran. And I do not care what is on its territory, and I do not care that Iran is the most uninterested party in such provocations. yes Just wherever you spit, American ears stick out everywhere ... Starting approximately with the death of "Maine" wink
      1. Kenji
        Kenji 8 January 2020 15: 13
        +5
        Yes, and always accuse the American and pro-American media, but this is a coincidence)
        1. Graz
          Graz 8 January 2020 15: 22
          -7
          in my opinion, most likely the Jews blew up
      2. littoral
        littoral 8 January 2020 15: 14
        -13
        Quote: Rurikovich
        I don’t care about evidence of a clearly disinterested party (Russia)

        You burn straight not childishly!
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 8 January 2020 15: 22
        +3
        Quote: Rurikovich
        So I would not be surprised if it turns out that the plane will be "shot down" by another "evil empire" in the form of Iran.

        I'm also not surprised, especially since the media has already begun to appear versions while the experts are silent.
  3. Avior
    Avior 8 January 2020 15: 02
    +5
    Airplanes in Iran, Iraq and the bays both flew and continue to fly
  4. usr01
    usr01 8 January 2020 15: 02
    0
    "It's not casual ...." (c)
    I don’t believe in coincidence ...
    Rather, a very tricky multi-way. We will see...
    1. yustas
      yustas 8 January 2020 15: 15
      0
      Obviously, not from Iran, they flew the majority of these flights ...
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 8 January 2020 15: 18
      -3
      Quote: usr01
      Rather, a very tricky multi-way. We will see..

      When you fly on a Singer sewing machine, you definitely need a multi-way.
      1. Kleber
        Kleber 8 January 2020 15: 37
        -2
        And preferably not one.
  5. Sayan
    Sayan 8 January 2020 15: 12
    0
    Yes, everything is simple - the greed of the company’s management, they saved on maintenance, on compensation for the cancellation of a flight, etc. - the result is obvious.
    1. littoral
      littoral 8 January 2020 15: 21
      0
      Quote: Sayan
      Yes, everything is simple - the greed of the company’s management, they saved on maintenance, on compensation for the cancellation of a flight, etc. - the result is obvious.

      Do not fly from Moscow to Tehran?
  6. uralex
    uralex 8 January 2020 15: 15
    +1
    Given Ukraine’s dependence on the Americans, I won’t be surprised if this tragedy was specially planned by the Ukrainian special services to order the Americans to create another provocation ... They’ve hanged up with the Malaysian Boeing, now they’re fixing the mistakes ...
  7. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 8 January 2020 15: 16
    +3
    The investigation should be as transparent as possible. All countries whose citizens were on board should be connected to it.
    As transparent as with the downed Boeing.
  8. dzvero
    dzvero 8 January 2020 15: 24
    +6
    If the Americans were shot down, now Iran would show the debris of the rocket. If they shot down their own, the Americans would be the first to report that Iran is now probably "under the hood." Since everyone is silent (for now), then most likely the destruction of the engine really took place.
    1. Usher
      Usher 8 January 2020 19: 56
      0
      Quote: dzvero
      If they shot down their own, then the Americans would be the first to report

      laughing Yes Yes)))
      1. dzvero
        dzvero 8 January 2020 20: 14
        +2
        The launch of missiles in the event of an Iranian air defense error would not go unnoticed. And the Americans would not fail to take advantage of the fact.
        1. Usher
          Usher 8 January 2020 20: 15
          +2
          Quote: dzvero
          The launch of missiles in the event of an Iranian air defense error would not go unnoticed. And the Americans would not fail to take advantage of the fact.

          I agree.
  9. akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 8 January 2020 15: 31
    +14
    "Dear passengers, our plane reached the altitude of 390th echelon of 11900 meters. Please raise your hand those who know how to fly an aircraft in case of any of the special cases on board, according to the flight manual, and subsequently land successfully? What, no one? It's strange. But how a serious aviation incident or catastrophe, so in the reasoning every locksmith, manager and cook is at least an honored test pilot or chief pilot of a design bureau. "

    Relatives and friends of the victims - deep condolences.

    To "experts" / sofa overlords of the pivandria (scattering of parts, engine fire on takeoff, it's easy, well, and so on) - keep your professional opinion about the causes of the disaster to yourself, so as not to embarrass yourself.
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 8 January 2020 15: 39
      -1
      Well, so in the field, every gopher is an agronomist! belay So why do you think that there are no more gophers besides you, that is, experts from aviation on the site ??? recourse feel
      1. akarfoxhound
        akarfoxhound 9 January 2020 06: 58
        0
        Why "besides me"? Did I only talk about myself? Where? It was about the "professional opinion" of the chef, who had read Popular Mechanics, and this "opinion" was dumping here - how "it was exactly so."
  10. Avior
    Avior 8 January 2020 15: 38
    +8
    In reality, no one has canceled flights from Tehran
    Those who already had no flights to Tehran announced the unused space
    Shortly before the Ukrainian side, Lufthansa and the Austrians took off, the Turks landed.
    They write that missile launches against Americans were from Iraq, not Iran, so the airlines simply did not know about these attacks
    1. bar
      bar 8 January 2020 16: 46
      +1
      They write that missile launches against Americans were from Iraq, not Iran, so the airlines simply did not know about these attacks

      Well, yes, and before that no one killed Suleymani, and in general everything is quiet and peaceful. Holy simplicity. Or something else...
    2. dzvero
      dzvero 8 January 2020 17: 42
      0
      They write that missile launches against the Americans were from Iraq, not Iran,

      Yeah, and the Americans did not track the movement of the PGRK from Iran to Iraq from the word at all ... But what about Trump's words about the most modern and beatiful army in the world? smile
      ps pmsm the term beautiful in relation to the army is very ambiguous and smells of something like makeup and lipstick smile
  11. Avior
    Avior 8 January 2020 15: 40
    +4
    In Moscow, carry flowers to the Embassy of Ukraine
  12. senima56
    senima56 8 January 2020 15: 55
    +7
    God rest their souls. The kingdom of heaven is for innocent victims.
  13. Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 8 January 2020 16: 04
    +1
    I feel sorry for people - no words.
    But more recently, Kiev puffed out its cheeks about the Malaysian Boeing, shot down over the Donbass.
    Fate closed.
    Now, apparently, Ukraine will demand an answer for Iranian airspace ...
    1. beeper
      beeper 8 January 2020 21: 00
      +1
      The post-Maidan former Ukraine, occupied by the USA in 2014, is now (as the invaders call their anti-popular and anti-state post-Soviet "project") failed state Ukraine turned by Washington into an ameroshawk (not even a tattered jackal, Tabaki, like the current amero-litter-Poland!) used in pro-American provocations, regardless of the victims among the local aborigines!
      Therefore, the 100% amerodependent, "Maidan kleptovlast" will "bark" at Iran, as it will be ordered in the Kiev ameroposolstvo!

      I am inclined to believe that "accidents are not accidental" and the likelihood of a pro-American sabotage (and not a technical malfunction of the airliner) is, nevertheless, above 50% - this "spoon for dinner" is too much too much, just "as to order" by American aggressors ?? ! winked
      After all, it is good for the Americans to destroy the Ukrainian (Malaysian in this case, "does not channel" anymore!) Airliner in the vicinity of the rebellious Tehran, because it informs their presidents !, traditionally poorly guided in Eurasian geography!) ", is of prime importance in the news" refers "to a fairly" shabby "American" hot spot "in Europe, on the border with Russia ?!

      And "if you wish (I have no doubt that Washington did not" disappear "at all!)" It is always possible to drag the "mythical" Russian trace "by the ears and blame the Kremlin for the" terrorist attack "without any evidence, as it was mean destroyed by American banderokholuyami "Boeing" in the vicinity of the recalcitrant Donetsk!

      So I will not be surprised at all if the true instigators of the Third World War from Washington and their European mongrels-hangers-on, very soon, begin to exaggerate in all their "non-profitable" media, promoting in the inert minds of "world" inhabitants, Ministries of Truth: "Tehran is Moscow", so that then, by the beginning of the spring large-scale aggressive "maneuvers" of NATO near the borders of the Russian Federation, to bring Moscow to "first place" (having hurried in the Senate with the planned "dehumanizing" recognition of the LDNR allegedly "terrorist formations" and Russia allegedly in "helping terrorists") "?! winked
  14. evgen1221
    evgen1221 8 January 2020 16: 08
    +1
    The Ukrainian prime minister explained ... Well, he kept silence that the task was on time, at the request of the owners, to drop the aircraft with passengers exactly on time and in the marked areas.
  15. tech3030
    tech3030 8 January 2020 16: 12
    +7
    My condolences to the families of the dead ...
  16. Pavel57
    Pavel57 8 January 2020 16: 29
    +1
    Not B737 Max, but Boeing minus.
  17. nerovnayadoroga
    nerovnayadoroga 8 January 2020 16: 31
    +2
    Ukraine is now the world's leading air show, their experience is great ... I’m sorry.
  18. bar
    bar 8 January 2020 16: 42
    +2
    why the Ukrainian air carrier UIA did not decide to cancel the Tehran-Kiev flight due to the complicated situation in the region

    Because it’s in their traditions. They did not cancel flights over the Donbass when the Malaysian Boeing was shot down, and now they have scored everything.
  19. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 8 January 2020 16: 47
    +4
    It looks like the case with a Russian plane in Sinai. A bomb in the luggage compartment.
    1. Sergey M. Karasev
      Sergey M. Karasev 8 January 2020 17: 31
      0
      Found traces of explosives?
    2. Svarog51
      Svarog51 8 January 2020 17: 49
      +7
      Did the engine catch fire from the bomb? Alexei hi is there a video. Here is another.
    3. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 9 January 2020 02: 04
      +5
      Eugene hi
      Quote: voyaka uh
      A bomb in the luggage compartment.

      It seems like the engine from TOR - 1M was found. Not far from the place of fall.
  20. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
    Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 8 January 2020 16: 52
    +3
    My condolences to the relatives of the victims, regardless of country of origin.
  21. JD1979
    JD1979 8 January 2020 16: 59
    +3
    Condolences to the dead. Children are especially sorry ... A family from Sweden - parents and two children ...
  22. Dikson
    Dikson 8 January 2020 17: 08
    +4
    Despite the clearly established picture of "Iran's guilt" .. that's what is strange - Israel, for example, quite regularly hits missiles at the suburbs of Damascus, the Syrians use air defense in response .. however, no civilian aircraft are falling from the sky .. And here - not they managed to start the war, as ordered - a tragedy with a civilian airplane ... It is hard to believe in the accident of this disaster ... Condolences to the families of the deceased passengers and crew ..
  23. RussianRoulette
    RussianRoulette 8 January 2020 17: 27
    +3
    Can an aircraft manufacturer, in the interests of certain special services, introduce a remotely activated waffle that provokes the failure of any aircraft systems and causes it to crash? I think that can! Both missiles and terrorists on board are not needed at all! Go-ahead! Button! Catastrophe!
  24. ender
    ender 8 January 2020 18: 08
    -5
    Ukraine has the right and must demand an international investigation with the involvement of IAC and Boeing specialists. If Iran does not agree, then this will be the actual confirmation of his guilt.
  25. classic46
    classic46 8 January 2020 18: 24
    +2
    And again, not a single American on board, that's a coincidence
  26. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 8 January 2020 18: 42
    +1
    Infa slipped on the impact on the plane, but could the Americans again be able to shandarah on a civilian vessel, is there any experience ?!
  27. boriz
    boriz 8 January 2020 18: 44
    -2
    Ukraine does not cancel Tehran-Kiev flight, but refuse these planes. The latest Boeing 737, if anyone forgot.
    1. ender
      ender 8 January 2020 18: 56
      +2
      it's not "MAX"
      1. boriz
        boriz 8 January 2020 19: 40
        -1
        24.02.2019 in Texas, the 767th dived exactly like in Ethiopia and Indonesia. The local sheriff photographed a mobile phone very on time. This was briefly reported, but the noise was not raised. Since he fell in the USA, we will not hear anything about the results.
        Therefore, do not trifle.
        1. ender
          ender 8 January 2020 19: 56
          +2
          the plane was 27 years old and it has already been converted from passenger to cargo. with the same success, we can say that the Tu-154 in Sochi dived just like in Ethiopia and Indonesia
  28. beeper
    beeper 8 January 2020 18: 50
    +2
    I watched the video shot by the phone of a gentle fall, the trajectory of fire in the sky and an explosion on the ground, so I lean toward the Iranian version of the fire of an aircraft engine, it was very similar in appearance to that!
    No explosion on board or being hit by an anti-aircraft missile (except perhaps a too low-power portable, such as "Arrow", "Red Eye" or "Stinger", which got into the nozzle of the engine and caused its destruction-fire, which could be used by pro-American provocateurs from the "fifth columns ", to create a convenient and profitable only the United States" Donetsk precedent "in the eyes of the common people of the notorious" world community ") there and did not smell too local and like an airplane, this fireman was descending in the sky.
    And the fact that in the Boeing control system there are, routinely implemented, "cunning blocks" for remote interception (including by "competent authorities") of controlling the flight modes of these American airliners has long been a "Punchinel's secret", indirectly ( only after a series of high-profile air crashes that put hundreds of these machines "on the hook" all over the world, with huge losses for airlines and the "company" -maker!) was recognized by the very (huge financial losses, depressed) "firms"!
  29. ender
    ender 8 January 2020 18: 56
    +1
    By the way, there is a fall video. the plane burned in the air. most likely a rocket hit

    1. aries2200
      aries2200 8 January 2020 21: 39
      +1
      and where is the trace of the rocket?
  30. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 8 January 2020 19: 08
    0
    How many years have Ukrainian planes been flying to Moscow? They flew to Libya until the last - until they (Ukrainian planes) and Haftar and Poland began to burn. It will calm down a bit, be forgotten - they will fly again, earn $.
  31. Corsair71 (Anatoly)
    Corsair71 (Anatoly) 8 January 2020 19: 44
    +2
    "... The investigation should be as transparent as possible. All countries whose citizens were on board should be involved ..."
    well, and what’s there about the boenge shot down over the Donbass?
  32. Usher
    Usher 8 January 2020 19: 53
    +1
    Quote: Terentich
    Quote: Sergey39
    The main thing here is, Who benefits?

    Yes, it is not beneficial to anyone. Everything is obvious there as twice two. The plane crashed just at the time Iran launched the rocket at Amer bases, there is a video of eyewitnesses of the crash of the plane with a fire loop, and the plane is only three years old. Well, what other questions might there be? Iran shot down a plane by accident.

    Maybe someone with a nervousness, something imagined on the radar screen.
  33. Terenin
    Terenin 8 January 2020 20: 33
    +8
    Goncharuk: We are investigating and establishing were there any prerequisites in order to close flights ...

    And, before that, his own phrase:
    There was nothing to the state “yesterday” (a ban on the use of Iranian airspace) prerequisites consider that events will occur in this way.

    The leadership of Ukraine what level of managerial, legal and political culture? belay
  34. Terenin
    Terenin 8 January 2020 20: 37
    +10
    Earlier in some Middle Eastern media, notes appeared that an Iranian missile allegedly hit the plane.

    And what do the Middle Eastern media give us, winked in our topic, some have already accurately determined the type and brand of missiles and installed, by name, all the air defense system operators bully
  35. Dmitry Makarov
    Dmitry Makarov 8 January 2020 20: 46
    0
    The plane was disabled by the SBU, by order from Washington. And inappropriately refer to the unreliability of American technology. But the main reason for this is not to destroy the Iranian Boeing, the Americans are thus trying to drag Ukraine into the war, because it is not for nothing that the Americans have declared that they are learning from the Ukrainian Army to fight.
    For the murder of 190 Iranian students, in fact children, for this monstrous Crime.
    Do you believe there will be no answer?
    And in my opinion it will be- Lightning fast and Crushing!
  36. mvnmln
    mvnmln 8 January 2020 20: 49
    0
    The usual cunning of ukroruguide. Forgot about the boomerang, and got it! It is a pity, ordinary people suffer ,,, Kingdom of heaven to them!
  37. high
    high 8 January 2020 20: 57
    0
    When something happens to the aircraft, the pilot has the opportunity to contact the dispatchers.
    And here the plane just disappeared from the radar.
    This means that it exploded or something happened, usually this is one of the signs of a terrorist attack,
  38. Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 8 January 2020 21: 19
    +2
    Quote: Terentich
    Quote: Sergey39
    The main thing here is, Who benefits?

    Yes, it is not beneficial to anyone. Everything is obvious there as twice two. The plane crashed just at the time Iran launched the rocket at Amer bases, there is a video of eyewitnesses of the crash of the plane with a fire loop, and the plane is only three years old. Well, what other questions might there be? Iran shot down a plane by accident.

    Do not foolish nonsense. Shoot down a plane with a ground-to-ground rocket. From a starting position hundreds of kilometers from the airport. Precisely in order to outrage the already furious Yankees, to give them a trump card in their hands? Yes, you are crazy.
  39. aries2200
    aries2200 8 January 2020 21: 38
    +1
    collided with an American drone it remains to identify that the plane that the drone
  40. mavrus
    mavrus 8 January 2020 23: 28
    +1
    Quote: Bearded
    Condolences to family and friends.
    All airlines had time, and Ukraine was late. It is very similar to a plane shot down by Ukraine in the Donbass. If not Iran was shot down, then who? Mattresses? Itself fell on time?
  41. mavrus
    mavrus 8 January 2020 23: 50
    +1
    Quote: Tersky
    Quote: Terentich
    That's just all the facts say that there is only one option and it is the only true one.

    And all because "Terentich" is the "truth" of the first instance. Are you tired of trolling? The time of shelling and the time of departure of the board, as it is under the "truth from Terentech" do not want to go. Especially considering that the Tehran-Kiev flight, which ended in a disaster, was delayed for an hour. Initially, it was supposed to start from Iran at 05:15, but it was delayed by almost an hour and took off to 06:12 (local time). Even latecomers managed to get on board. Missile launch time (01:30 local time) towards US military bases. But do not forget about the version of the attack.

    That's right ... There is only one option and it is the only true one.
    The United States is advantageous, the Ukrainian board (if they suddenly start investigating, they don’t dare to disobey), well, trivial media will not pay attention to such trifles as the five-hour difference between launching missiles and taking off an airplane.
  42. Halkoliant
    Halkoliant 9 January 2020 00: 14
    -6
    you stupid loans and downs have you and you all dance in unison read the propaganda - conditional people !!! tomorrow you will be taken away so that you will put the rubbish in your feed ....