“Where were the Patriot?”: US reaction to an Iranian missile strike

The missile strike inflicted by Iran on US military bases in Iraq attracted the attention of world media. The American public began to vigorously discuss the high-profile headlines with which Western publications were full. In particular, this topic attracted readers of the publication The War Zone, specializing in military topics.

Most commentators believe that the Iranian authorities tried to save their face with this attack after the death of one of the most prominent figures of the IRGC, Kassem Suleimani. The attack was intended to show the population and the world only the steadfastness of the country's leadership, who was not afraid to strike at American targets. Therefore, the damage was minimal, users say, paying attention to the fact that there are no casualties among US troops and a small number of missiles were involved.

They lost their commander, a bunch of militias, and then a bunch of people at the funeral of their commander. And now they have fired 15 rockets as a firework (An Ngo).

As if they knew exactly where to aim the missiles, so as not to harm the American personnel (toecutter) at all.

I have seen more effective rocket attacks from the Gaza Strip (Raul Estovez).

Many Americans spoke peacefully enough, hoping for a de-escalation of the conflict:

I would be happy if Trump laughed and asked: “Is that all you have?” - and decided that it was not worth taking revenge for it (Jeff Rielley).

It certainly was an interesting night. I think Iran and the US have just played high stakes poker, and now (hopefully) it's over (DarthNader).

However, aggressive moods sounded against this background. A number of users see Tehran as an implacable enemy, which should be "crushed" by troops along with nuclear infrastructure.

Retaliation carte blanche. I'd love to see the menu. The [Iranian] island of Hope Kharg [57 km from the Bushehr nuclear power plant] is at the top of the list (Bogdan Panek).

I really hope that we will use this as an excuse for the complete destruction of their nuclear infrastructure. We will not get a better opportunity (outshine8).

Some commentators are looking forward to military clashes, in particular, aircraft of the two countries:

Is there any chance that the F-35 [US Air Force] and F-14 [Iranian Air Force] will fight tonight ??? (BravoSierra007).

If all the Iranian air forces are really in the air, a few new aces may appear in the US air force tonight (stanleywinthrop).

Others drew attention to the weak air defense of US military installations:

Why do American bases in Iraq have only C-RAM [an analogue of Russian Shells] for defense (TI).

I thought that at least 2 Patriot [air defense] batteries were in the area (HAmm3r3D).

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

All the same, I do not want to witness the escalation of the conflict and I do not envy those who accidentally find themselves in the "first row" ...

[Same lech]

The night was a stormy ... shelling of American bases ... a catastrophe with a Ukrainian plane ... now the whole escalation of the conflict will subside on the Internet at various forums and sites ... the Americanists will smash the Iranians and vice versa ... that is a lot of noise and dust.

[Evil543]

Before the next move, the battle will be transferred to the combat sofas

[Every]

Quote: Evil543

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These ones:

[krot]

Most commentators believe that the Iranian authorities tried to save their face with this attack after the death of one of the most prominent figures of the IRGC, Kassem Suleimani.

They did not try, they did it! Who else did such an otvetka striped? Americans with impunity on any continent kill and abduct any people they dislike. And all just blah blah blah. And Iran did! And it doesn’t matter that no one was hurt from the striped. So even better. The soldiers are not to blame for their rulers.
And more .. Where is all the vaunted air defense "exceptional"? Blown away? )

[krot]

Excerpt from the news:

Trump's statement after attacks on US military bases: "It looks like Iran has retreated"

Cool Iran backed down! Exceptional recognize power. Everyone has seen it now.
As well as the vaunted clever Patriots, who were covering the base exactly, they morally obsolete the Scuds)

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Every

Quote: Evil543

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These ones:

SUPER TECHNOLOGY
But the shock of the most powerful modern weapon is not enough, modification is required.

[brr1]

Quote: Every

Quote: Evil543

Before the next move, the battle will be transferred to the combat sofas

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Now the training is going on

[ananias mudishev]

This couch lacks room for beer and chips

[Strashila]

"there is a lot of noise and dust", dust and banging of keys.

[Gene585]

Quote: Military Review News

“Where were the Patriot?”: US reaction to an Iranian missile strike

Patriot was, as always, there - where he should be - in .ope ...

[Nomad Plus]

it's time for the us and its allies to buy from 400 and the patriots do not work.

[Levius EN]

Yes not ..... They forgot to turn it on

[unmer]

For the plane ... Why, we’ll rejoice like * pan *, for Dr. Lisa? At the Ukrainian forums for our TU 154 there was a great change. But I don’t feel like it .. Now, if there was a pastor with Petka there was a different scenario.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Unmer

For the plane ... Why, we’ll rejoice like * pan *, for Dr. Lisa? At the Ukrainian forums for our TU 154 there was a great change. But I don’t feel like it ..

No one here is happy about the plane crash, at least they have not seen a single enthusiastic comment. Unlike the "panheads", there is quite an adequate audience here. Condolences to the relatives of the victims.

[Deathmaker]

It might not have been here, but in the same Peysbukh the brothers were tearing to pieces with delight, as if they had buried the next cavalry-armored brigade of the Buryat special forces.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Unmer

For the plane ... Why, we’ll rejoice like * pan *, for Dr. Lisa? At the Ukrainian forums for our TU 154 there was a great change. But I don’t feel like it .. Now, if there was a pastor with Petka there was a different scenario.

Pan 11 people, the rest are Iranians and citizens of other countries

[Samaks]

Why one size fits all. (I'm talking about "pots")?

[Shelest2000]

accident with a Ukrainian plane

Somehow, this catastrophe happened just in time in Iran, after which almost all international flights to / from Iran were canceled. Something it reminds me of .....

[Alexey LK]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

The night was stormy ... shelling of American bases ... a disaster with a Ukrainian plane ...

and still strange earthquakes near the Bushehr nuclear power plant ...

[Sergey79]

I agree. Any worst world is better than war.

[SRC P-15]

"Where were the Patriot?"

Where Patriot missiles can fly quietly!

[BARKAS]

There, the air defense is even worse than at the Saudi oil facilities, but the accuracy and efficiency of the missile attack is much worse than the conclusion that Iran did not shoot at Saudi aramco.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: BARKAS

the conclusion is not Iran shot at Saudi Aramco.

And for a long time now, the idea has been walking around the network that the Saudis themselves blew up the oil storage from the filing of the United States. America really needs a high oil price to make shale oil profitable. But alas and ah, prices jumped slightly. Now the United States has taken a different path: they fanned the conflict with Iran - the price of oil has crept up. The whole question is: will the US and Iran be able to stop the confrontation in time.

[Rostislav Bely]

Not a fact, an increase in oil prices increases gas station prices and hits Trump’s voters ...

[UAZ 452]

While the voter does not consider this to be Trump's fault, everything for him is within the permissible limits.

[Rostislav Bely]

I won’t tell you for all of Odessa ...
From the life of banderlogs - say how many times a dog, he barks

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Rostislav Bely

Not a fact, an increase in oil prices increases gas station prices and hits Trump’s voters ...

All right! just like ours, it hits the voter’s pocket but not the puppeteers with Trump!

[Cheldon]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

Now the United States has taken a different path: they fanned the conflict with Iran - the price of oil has crept up.

Gas production on the Israeli shelf of the Mediterranean Sea "Leviathan" also needs to quickly pay off.

[Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)]

Why should Trump raise the price of gas in the pre-election period. Why would he even support shale mining, which, even without support, is more alive than all living things? Have you been told all this on REN-TV?

[Vol4ara]

Quote: BARKAS

There, the air defense is even worse than at the Saudi oil facilities, but the accuracy and efficiency of the missile attack is much worse than the conclusion that Iran did not shoot at Saudi aramco.

That would be a joke if Iran hoped that the missiles would be knocked down, and therefore fired at the ancient skads. And they were not shot down: D

[Herman 4223]

"Where were the Patriot?"
Ukrainian Boeing probably drenched.

[Revolver]

Quote: Sergey79

Any worst world is better than war.

Not necessarily.
"If a country, choosing between war and shame, chooses shame, it gets both war and shame." - Winston Churchill on the Munich Agreement.

[Sergey79]

Do you think that if a war starts, it will bypass us?

[Revolver]

Quote: Sergey79

Do you think that if a war starts, it will bypass us?

If it affects Russia, then only indirectly and positively. Energy prices will rise.

[Sergey79]

You and I have radically different views on events and consequences. Your "measure" is money and financial gain. And mine is human lives and destinies.

[AU Ivanov.]

Why not. The war in the Middle East is not only a rising price of hydrocarbons, but also an increased demand for weapons. And then this is beneficial for Russia. We must use the moment, and not chew on idealistic snot.

[Sergey79]

Tell the military and their relatives about this. I am sure that the units will agree with your opinion, since it will not work to stay aside, and you will have to fulfill the order.

[AU Ivanov.]

But we should not interfere in this war. If you fight, then with the wrong hands on someone else’s territory and, preferably, someone else’s money. But trading vital for the conduct of hostilities, including information, is still worth it.

[kubash66]

smart thing, terrible thing

[URAL72]

Russia is not profitable weakening, and especially the defeat of Iran. The increase in oil prices does not compensate for this. But the withdrawal of troops from Iraq is very beneficial to us. New arms contracts can be expected, which is billions. Together with the equipment, our specialists and advisers will return to Iraq, and PMCs will ensure the work of our companies under long-standing contracts. With Shiites and Kurds, we have everything exactly. So I hope this conflict is settled. But the attacks of local groups on the base will continue until they leave.

[riwas]

So the modern leadership of Iraq from the very beginning was against the United States. Therefore, I bought our equipment with American money. And she took the very first reason to declare the armed forces of the United States non grata.

[Herman 4223]

Oil revenues will go to the foreign exchange reserve, and it is forbidden to sell weapons to the belligerent side according to international standards, Iran is prohibited to sell weapons by decision of the UN.

[maidan.izrailovich]

And mine are human lives and destinies.

Do not escalate. And do not invent what is not. You are not a liberal?
Russia does not need to send its military to Iran. Advisors do not count. It is enough to provide Iran with military-technical assistance. Perhaps even the type of Lend-Lease. 81 million Iran has a sufficient mobilization resource.

[Sergey79]

I do not escalate the situation, but I know what I'm saying.

[DMB_95]

Quote: Sergey79

You and I have radically different views on events and consequences. Your "measure" is money and financial gain. And mine is human lives and destinies.

That's just events can take such a turn that you have to fit into them, despite the consequences ..

[Grievous]

For Russia, the price of energy does not matter, gas will still go up.

[AU Ivanov.]

Even as it has. Remember the "well-fed zeros" when the price per barrel was above a hundred green.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: AU Ivanov.

Even as it has. Remember the "well-fed zeros" when the price per barrel was above a hundred green.

And until 2014, before the slate, everything was normal
By the way, oil creeps up carefully. At 68,5 Brent Futures

[Tersky]

Quote: Krasnodar

By the way, oil creeps up carefully. At 68,5 Brent Futures

Brent at 11: 10 Moscow time 69,08 USD. + 0,54 to yours

[Krasnodar]

Good afternoon
Investing 68.67, at 12:43
After the attack on Suleymani, she was already over 70

[Tersky]

Quote: Krasnodar

After the attack on Suleymani, she was already over 70

Judging by the latest events (shelling, Boeing’s downfall), by the evening it might be over 70.

[Krasnodar]

With God's help
According to financial analysts, people are in no hurry to invest in oil futures, considering them currently too risky assets. Everyone is expecting

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Krasnodar

After the attack on Suleymani, she was already over 70

What are you implying?

[Krasnodar]

H Gematria magic number 70.
Brent Oil Futures Cost
Energy prices

[kapitan92]

Quote: Krasnodar

Investing 68.67, at 12:43
After the attack on Suleymani, she was already over 70

Brent 65.39 65.42 -3.12 -4.55 21:12:22
Light 59.60 59.63 -3.08 -4.91
Forex trading. on 21-12 of Moscow.

[AU Ivanov.]

If shipping in Hormuz is blocked, the oil price will not creep, but will rush up.

[Krasnodar]

The same thing if strikes on the oil infrastructure of the Saudis and Persians

[Herman 4223]

If the United States takes control of Iran, it will control the entire Middle East and oil prices, respectively. Iran is one of the main suppliers of oil to China; if the thread is cut, prices for Chinese goods will soar.

[Krasnodar]

And China will sit on our oil))

[Grits]

Quote: Krasnodar

And China sits on our oil

Is not a fact. But we will become a little poorer. Since almost everything we have is made in China.

[Krasnodar]

Well, what kind of alternatives will China have in case of difficulties with a stable supply of Iranian oil?
We will not become poorer - there will be more money in the budget, more state projects, more employment, increased business activity - i.e. our purchasing power will increase

[Herman 4223]

There will be no more money in the budget. We have a budget rule (cut-off price), if I’m not mistaken, $ 40 now, if the oil price is higher, then budget revenue does not go. The money goes to the foreign exchange reserve, which is controlled by the Central Bank, and according to our laws, it has no right to lend to the government of the Russian Federation.

https://youtu.be/0KvBJajVRHo

https://youtu.be/zoa1UdTWDN4

[Krasnodar]

So in the budget for next year there will be a cutoff of 70 ₽ - have already passed this

[Herman 4223]

When oil cost $ 100, the cutoff price was $ 27.

[Krasnodar]

Nothing
And how much did it hold?

[Herman 4223]

The rule was introduced in 2004, when oil was expensive, the cutoff price was $ 20; in 2006, it was raised to $ 27. In 2008, when the price of oil collapsed, they made $ 45-50. The maximum was in 2013, $ 91.
Now since 2017, $ 40.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Krasnodar

there will be more money in the budget, more government projects, more employment, increased business activity

will the state have more responsibility for its citizens? and what kind of ideology other than "more money" will be ???

[Krasnodar]

There will be nothing - Trump merged)))
And what is the responsibility for their citizens? It is impossible for the majority of the population to convict a doctor of negligence; it is possible to dismiss a worthless employee only after two official disciplinary warnings, still paying 40% of the salary for him, etc. Where is more responsibility? And what is the ideology? Let's stop giving bribes in universities for a diploma to our children? Or stop stealing? Just wondering..

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Krasnodar

Condemn a doctor for negligence

think small like that, though correct but one-sided. It meant the responsibility of the "Elite" for the instructions, the execution of the National Projects ...

Quote: Krasnodar

And what is the ideology? Let's stop giving bribes to universities

it is necessary to give knowledge the status that they are more expensive than money, that more expensive than money, the prospect of the development of society. This is a long question ......

[Krasnodar]

Well, sorry for my small-town mentality, to think globally like the responsibility of the "Elite" ... who is the elite in FIG? The bureaucrats who climbed to power? Responsibility for national projects has surrendered to them ... and what do they mean to you? Accumulative pension programs of some kind of bank nationalized by the state with a guarantee of indexation by the level of inflation / basket of world currencies is a national project. Gasification of all villages. Building a bridge to Sakhalin, for example. And Roskosmos should be given to the Ministry of Defense - they fly high there for military purposes, there is no dough to conquer Mars.
Knowledge is more expensive than money - people will get to this only with an adequate monetary assessment of this knowledge after school. Those. Chubais’s office - to privatize, to make a state program to support high-tech industries, to open international offshores with conditions for providing jobs to citizens of the Russian Federation, etc. This is my small, small-town thinking.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Krasnodar

people will only get to this if they have an adequate monetary assessment of this knowledge after graduation.

again you have a common denominator - money! how do you feel about Plato, his immortal phrase, what kind of money can you buy a bed but not a dream, medicine but not health, pleasure but not happiness ???

Quote: Krasnodar

open international off-shores with conditions for providing jobs to citizens of the Russian Federation, etc.

this is not clear what kind of offshore and what are the prospects ??? I’m generally for closed borders, for Roskosmos and Chubais you respect! +++
Is it better to replace the self-name "Elite" with Cream ??

[Krasnodar]

Like a dad of four children - I do not agree with Plato
Off-shores - tax-free zones for foreign companies are made in places that are profitable in the country - such as the Far East or Belgorod. Foreigners can place any production there subject to the nth percent of employment at enterprises of citizens of the Russian Federation.
Yes, I prfig their self-name, the elite is Alferov, Perelman, Kaspersky, etc. Cream is just officials.
And why are closed borders? On the contrary - visa-free travel for the first thirty developed countries (by HDI, by GDP per capita). Let them spend the loot here.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Krasnodar

Foreigners can place any production there subject to the nth percent of employment at enterprises of citizens of the Russian Federation.

a prerequisite should be not only percentage but also qualifications. The level of development of any country depends on the link - the science of the introduction of production. If a foreign company opens an enterprise, does not pay taxes, uses only its high-tech equipment, uses our cheap electricity, then it is an even greater competitor to our enterprises !!! it will kill our science even more. This is a disguised version of the screwdriver assembly. Yours faithfully.....

[Krasnodar]

So you can determine what places our citizens should occupy there - out of 10 engineers, say, two Russians, etc. Hai chatter for their retraining courses in their own country. And our enterprises, in any situation, are very far from competing with them - all sorts of Boeings and Lockheeds will not transfer their plants to us - but tablets, smartphones and all that, for example, we do not produce anyway.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Krasnodar

our citizens should occupy there - out of 10 engineers, say, two Russians

out of 10 engineers, 8 Russians, otherwise we will die of modesty

[Krasnodar]

If they agree)))
In short, when do we start?

[aybolyt678]

undermining the political system ????

[Krasnodar]

So... ... I'm actually for the natural evolutionary changes in society))

[Egor53]

And who will approve these laws of evolution?

[Krasnodar]

We will evolve with you
And with us - the country

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Krasnodar

So ... laughing ... I'm actually for natural evolutionary change

judging that we understand each other, they have already begun ... changes in society begin with a public request for them, the main thing is that this request is correctly formed. In order not to work out as with investments in the economy. They decided that investments were needed, and allowed amers to extract oil ... Investments ???

[Krasnodar]

Quote: aybolyt678

Quote: Krasnodar

So ... laughing ... I'm actually for natural evolutionary change

judging that we understand each other, they have already begun ... changes in society begin with a public request for them, the main thing is that this request is correctly formed. In order not to work out as with investments in the economy. They decided that investments were needed, and allowed amers to extract oil ... Investments ???

Hemp, Flax, Wheat))

[Egor53]

The answer to Krasnodar.
"And our enterprises, in any case, are far from competing with them - any Boeings and Lockheeds will not transfer their factories to us ..."
Also how to transfer.
The Boeing titanium aircraft parts manufacturing plant in Russia both funded and, to a large extent, built. For several years now, the products of this plant have been bought by Boeing and Airbus. And there is NO competition with the products of this plant in the US or the EU.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Egor53

Boeing titanium aviation parts in Russia

titanium with aluminum is materialized electricity. That is, 89 percent of its value is the cost of the energy of its receipt and processing. At what price does Boeing buy electricity in Russia? what taxes does it pay? how much does the workers pay and do our engineers work there, do they share technology ?????? Or maybe it's just a way to get around customs? Do you know that even doing business on our land, Boeing Corporation is obliged to pay taxes at home, in America? and conclusion: Boeing dues do not pay us !! and nobody needs our engineers and designers, and while we are complacent that the plants are being built, our science is dying

[Krasnodar]

Keyword - Titanium

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Nagan

Quote: Sergey79

Do you think that if a war starts, it will bypass us?

If it affects Russia, then only indirectly and positively. Energy prices will rise.

But the fact that in the future, if Iran loses and its oil is in the hands of the United States, it will not affect us indirectly, but directly and fuck it negatively, do not you care? And the fact that we border Iran on the Caspian is nothing like that?

[Krasnodar]

States will not go to the occupation of Iran - a troublesome business. But oil will be in Russian hands - they can sell it only through Sechin

[Levius EN]

Portugal supplied tungsten to World War II. To everyone. Gold reserves increased several times. Here we are now nefig climb into disassembly. You can provide Iran with gum help. States do not tease much. And there it will be seen.

[Harry.km]

Quote: Nagan

Energy prices will rise

At our gas stations, which was not once.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Nagan

If it affects Russia, then only indirectly and positively. Energy prices will rise.

??? which side will it affect positively? will gasoline prices rise? will more Russians have yachts? But the only thing is that we’ll sell weapons to anyone, so will we sell today and tomorrow?

[SSR]

Quote: Nagan

Winston Churchill over the Munich agreement.

It seems more precisely so.
He criticized Hitler’s pacification policy pursued by Chamberlain’s government.
And when the Munich Agreement on the transfer of the Sudetenland to Germany was concluded in 1938, Churchill spoke in the House of Commons as follows:

(c) You had a choice between war and dishonor. You have chosen dishonor, now you will receive war.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Nagan

"If a country, choosing between war and shame, chooses shame, it gets both war and shame." -

Iran did not have to beat openly, substitute a clearly more powerful enemy ....
it was necessary to beat stealthily and through his allies.

and so straightforward .....

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Quote: Olgovich

Iran did not have to beat openly, substitute a clearly more powerful enemy ....
it was necessary to beat stealthily and through his allies.

and so straightforward .....

Yes, penguins are specifically drawn into the conflict.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Iran did not have to beat openly, substitute a clearly more powerful enemy ....
it was necessary to beat stealthily and through his allies.

Not the fact that this is the final answer. Someone he is too unconvincing, symbolic. A full answer, IMHO, will come later.
PS: Did you lower the red flag of revenge for Suleymani in Qom? Not heard yet.

[Siberia 75]

The eternal memory of Kassem Suleimani. He faithfully served his homeland.
What I think about striped, I will not write, banned.

[Siberia 75]

Quote: Nagan

Iranian mullococracy with its chief terrorist Suleymani in particular.

This is the choice of a sovereign country. Do not impose on anyone. You are not in a hurry to blame the bloody US oligarchy.

[Siberia 75]

Quote: Nagan

Wake up, the USSR has been gone for a quarter century

Well, we'll see it.

Quote: Nagan

And I personally voted for Trump and will vote again,

I support you comrade

Quote: Nagan

"the bloody oligarchy of the USA" is only in your mind

Give you statistics, or you’ll use the search engines yourself

[Siberia 75]

Quote: Terentich

There are statistics of the bloody US oligarchy? Surprisingly?

That's what I'm talking about.
Information about the wars of the United States, with the bombing of peaceful objects, with the number of people killed, is in the public domain. And they write to me "Suryozno". What is it? Name the medical term.

[vargo]

"Suryozno" and the abundance of emoticons in the discussions once again emphasize the frivolity of the interlocutor and has already become a sign of a troll on the network and on this site specifically. It can be clearly seen that emotions are pulled. They are just trolls, we don't wait for the mind there.

[shark]

Seriously, do you doubt the existence of a bloody US oligarchy? Yah. But the Union itself fell apart? Did Ukraine itself get hooked? It is strange to hear such nonsense from a person writing in Russian.

[TermNachTer]

These nonsense - well paid, so you can hear and not that. After all, the man does not even hide that he voted for Trump and will soon be again.

[Tersky]

Quote: Terentich

There are statistics of the bloody US oligarchy?

After World War II, the United States unleashed about 66 wars and armed conflicts. And it’s only open, but how many are hidden. No wonder the United States was nicknamed the dog of war.

[NordUral]

It is useless already, Alexei, this one fits in well with the way of thinking of the American layman.

[grandson of Perun]

Quote: Nagan

"the bloody oligarchy of the USA" is only in your mind

Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria ... Long list of US "friendliness" ...

[Terentich]

Quote: Perun's grandson

Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria ...

And what exactly happened in these countries? What is the background of conflicts, causes, their consequences, etc.? According to your post, only one thing is clear, your knowledge begins with the name of these countries and there they end. They glanced at the globe once and voila - the "expert" on geopolitics is ready.

[grandson of Perun]

I can recall "what exactly happened there in these countries": massive US war crimes, traditional US bombing of cities with massive civilian casualties. In Vietnam and Yugoslavia, in addition, huge environmental problems due to the use of chemistry and "depleted" uranium.
And all this despite the fact that not one of these countries in the United States threatened!
The States "carried democracy" on their own extremely "friendly" initiative.
So push about the "globe" elsewhere.

[artifact]

Quote: Terentich

Quote: Perun's grandson

Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria ...

And what exactly happened in these countries? What is the background of conflicts, causes, their consequences, etc.? According to your post, only one thing is clear, your knowledge begins with the name of these countries and there they end. They glanced at the globe once and voila - the "expert" on geopolitics is ready.

take at least Iraq, what's the story behind it !? what are the reasons for the striped to invade, "CHEM WEAPON" right ...!? that's it, that's the way it is with the rest ...

[hydrox]

Ay-ay! This is not so with the terminology :: the American oligarchy is separated from the bloody hands of its puppets, so the appearance of purity is preserved, despite the habits of the American military, implicated in theft and terrorism.
Only theft of oil from the Syrian oil fields is STATE theft, and the protection of terrorists is under the slogans of democracy, and therefore we have state-democratic geopolitical terrorism.
On the other hand, the Kiev military, under the direction and management of American military advisers, has already distinguished itself in the production of 15K corpses and about 10K disabled people, but personally not a single marine or whatever they had had a hand in the descent of the murder weapon - all this was done by Ukrainian mercenaries disguised as the national armed forces.

[Mountain shooter]

And I agree with you ... A beautiful, rich, secular country was driven into the Middle Ages. I remember the Iranian movie. "Mazandaran Tiger", about wrestlers. Girls in light dresses, love-carrots, youth on the streets ... Not a single burqa ...
But this is no reason to kill her generals, who through diplomatic channels make a visit to a neighboring country.

[Revolver]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

no reason to kill her generals, who through diplomatic channels make a visit to a neighboring country

Well, Khattab was also like a general like the country of Ichkeria. And Basayev is finally a generalissimo. And what, they, too, could not be soaked in the toilet? Keitel and Jodl were regular soldiers, and yet they were hanged just as they deserved. Suleimani was a terrorist with blood on his hands up to his shoulders and got what he deserved. And by the way, his "Al-Quds Force" is officially considered a terrorist organization. Terrorists must be eliminated where and when such an opportunity arises.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

A beautiful, rich, secular country was driven "into the Middle Ages"

And Iran is truly sincerely sorry. This bastard Jimmy Carter, instead of assisting the shah in his showdown with the Islamists, began to teach him human rights, shabby freedoms, and other liberal crap. The entire nation of Iran fell under the hand.

[Kurare]

Quote: Nagan

Well, Khattab was also a type general, like the country of Ichkeria.

You forgot to write "the unrecognized country of Ichkeria", which, by the way, was simply a republic of the Russian Federation. And the elimination of militants is, as it is now customary to say especially in the United States, the internal affairs of a sovereign country.

Quote: Nagan

Keitel and Jodl were military personnel, and nevertheless they were hanged on their own merits.

A moot point so far. Rather, they were executed for having committed war crimes.

Quote: Nagan

And by the way, his "Al-Quds Force" is officially considered a terrorist organization.

And here, please, in more detail: WHO considers "Qods" or "Al-Quds" as you write a terrorist organization? UN - definitely not! And if so, let the selective opinion remain where it came from.

Quote: Nagan

And Iran is truly sincerely sorry. That booby Jimmy Carter, ...

Here I agree with you 90%, since it was not necessary to put this villainous shah on the throne as a puppet, it was not necessary to kill (by the way, a manifestation of state terrorism) Mossadegh.

[user1212]

At the moment, any definition of the concept of "terrorist" or "terrorist organization" must be attributed "except for the United States, NATO and their creatures", otherwise the embarrassment may come out
For example, how did the Al-Quds Forces deserve recognition, while the Albanians are not in the Yugoslav conflict? "Syrian Opposition"? "Libyan opposition"? Anti-Soviet movement in Afghanistan, etc.
By the way, the Irgun and Lehi organizations were also terrorist. Why were the veterans of these organizations not liquidated by the special services of Israel, a prominent "fighter against terrorism"?

[lewerlin53rus]

People like you begin to equate the Iranian military with terrorists first, then go on to equalize Stalin and Hitler and the USSR with the 3rd Reich.

[onega67]

I also saw this movie. Cool movie to say !!!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: onega67

I also saw this movie.

And then there is a film about how the Iranian leadership hit the road in the United States. "House of sand and fog" is called. Also cool.

[AU Ivanov.]

There is no Middle Ages in Iran. Regarding the rules of Sharia - this is their choice and do not climb with your charter into a strange monastery. The medieval country does not build nuclear power plants and does not have a sufficiently developed industry.

[Otshelnik]

I agree ... 96% literacy rate

[Yang yangov]

The Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps announced the start of a retaliation operation for the assassination of General Kassem Suleimani. Land-to-ground missiles were fired from Iran at Ain Assad base in the Iraqi province of Barn, where the US military contingent is located.

A US Air Force plane was destroyed on the runway at the Ain Assad base in Iraq during a rocket attack from Iran, the Lebanese Al-Mayadin TV channel reported.

"Destruction of one of the planes on the runway at the American part of the base has been confirmed," the TV channel reported.

[Alex Justice]

The Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps is an armed religious group, such as the guardsmen. Poke your nose even into privacy. The new generation does not like them. The time will come and they will be removed along with the mullah.

[Otshelnik]

And where did the hundreds of thousands of young men and women in their ranks come from, since they don’t like them?))

[Alex Justice]

And where are the hundreds of thousands of young men and women in their ranks since they are not loved?

Religious propaganda of uneducated people is doing its job.

[4ekist]

Most likely, the Iranians in this way simply hinted at the possible consequences of a further exacerbation. And I don’t see anything unexpected about the effectiveness of Patriot. Everything was supposed to end. While they announced their readiness, while they turned on, and probably didn’t have time to visit the targets. Played the human and time factor. Yes, and the media from the military constantly overestimate the effectiveness of weapons.

[TermNachTer]

Not fast, the Persians shot off on the mattresses somehow very clumsily - no one was hurt. But on the other hand - where is the vaunted mattress air defense? How many missiles shot down?

[Cetron]

The Persians warned in advance where and when they would shoot. The personnel of the bases managed to take refuge in shelters, only the Iraqi personnel were injured - the Americans apparently do not count them and did not warn them. Both Western and Iranian media commented on this.

[TermNachTer]

But should the bases be covered by some means of air defense or mattresses finally believed in their immortality?

[Oleg83]

Quote: TermNachTER

Not fast, the Persians shot off on the mattresses somehow very clumsily - no one was hurt. But on the other hand - where is the vaunted mattress air defense? How many missiles shot down?

What kind of air defense? There are no Patriot installations in Iraq

[Egor53]

And who told you that Patriot installations are air defense?

[Alexander Petrov1]

Another fat plus and several billion dollars to our piggy bank with S-400 and Shell.

[Udav kaa]

How Putin has not yet been afraid to fly to Syria .. Risky man!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Udav Kaa

Risky man!

Or uninformed.

[Mastrer]

If he is not knowledgeable, then here we just do a circle of fortunetellers on coffee grounds and pigeon droppings.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Mastrer

then here we just do a circle of fortunetellers on coffee grounds and pigeon droppings.

And someone here seriously believes that Iran reported on upcoming attacks to Putin?

[artifact]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Mastrer

then here we just do a circle of fortunetellers on coffee grounds and pigeon droppings.

And someone here seriously believes that Iran reported on upcoming attacks to Putin?

and what, someone does not read official messages from the Iranian leaders !?

[Udav kaa]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Udav Kaa

Risky man!

Or uninformed.

Laugh hehe heh

[Siberia 75]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Or uninformed.

Putin ignorant ???
You either did not depart from the holidays, or we are talking about different Putin.

[Prisoner]

Enlightened. Sorry for the information?

[Same lech]

How Putin has not yet been afraid to fly to Syria .. Risky man!

And what was there to be afraid of ... the protection was reliable ... under the guise of air defense and drying, why not fly ... only that was the point of the Supreme Commander to meddle in advanced positions.

[Udav kaa]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

And what was there to be afraid ... the protection was reliable ... under the guise of air defense and drying, why not fly.

Still seriously risked .. And if they shot down? And the country would have remained without a chapter, that would have begun ..

Quote: The same LYOKHA

only that was the point of the supreme commander to meditate on the front lines.

You can tickle your nerves or most likely show the whole world that Russia is not going to flee from BV and is serious about it ..
So probably ..

[Fishery]

or maybe in Moscow there are a couple more spare Putins)

[Evil543]

Today we find out, he is in Turkey.

[Same lech]

Today, Putin will attend the opening ceremony of the Turkish Stream.
Maybe Trump’s task was to distract the world from this event.

[Evil543]

There will still be a statement on the USA and Iran, let's see what Putin and Erdogan say

[askort154]

Evil543 ...The statement on the USA and Iran will still be, let's see what Putin and Erdogan say

And what in such cases, speaking in a diplomatic language ?!
Only one thing - "a call for political dialogue."

[Udav kaa]

Quote: The same Lech

Today, Putin will attend the opening ceremony of the Turkish Stream.
Maybe Trump’s task was to distract the world from this event.

Most likely so ..! They got things done with this general’s murder .. Well, why? What they do not live peacefully then ..

[artifact]

Quote: Udav Kaa

Quote: The same Lech

Today, Putin will attend the opening ceremony of the Turkish Stream.
Maybe Trump’s task was to distract the world from this event.

Most likely so ..! They got things done with this general’s murder .. Well, why? What they do not live peacefully then ..

by analogy with a joke: - sir ...

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Today, Putin will attend the opening ceremony of the Turkish Stream. Maybe Trump’s task was to distract the world from this event.

What for?

[Same lech]

What for?

I don’t know ... I need to ask Trump ... that he still wonders about his red head ... an impulsive person like Zhirinovsky who called the people slaves on Red Square.

[mikh-korsakov]

Alexei! The point was to coordinate with Assad the position in the conflict without the risk of being overheard. I disagree with those who believe that in Russia, as in the United States, they were not aware of the impending strike. Ukrainian plane crashed inappropriately. Passengers are sincerely sorry. And everyone else will stink.

[anjey]

He is the Supreme, both the Commander and the Manager, and that’s all said, it’s difficult to make a good blanket from the BV political rags, but it’s necessary why we are there at all.

[axiles100682]

But he did not fly to Syria through Iran?

[Avior]

It is very doubtful, probably through Turkey, especially since after a couple of hours there he returned

[axiles100682]

It was sarcasm. But still I think that the Iranians, if they didn’t consult with us, at least warned

[Avior]

about the hit?
So the Americans knew about him

[Michael HORNET]

Well, while it looks more like an imitation of a blow to save face. They aimed missiles past and killed no one. Judging by Trump’s reaction, who tweeted about “all is well, beautiful marquise”. Let's see how it will be after calculating the real damage.
But in general, the one with stronger testicles will win now.
Iran of the Russian Federation is not a friend at all; its development project is completely opposite to the Russian one. Therefore, the fact that he is an enemy of the USA does not make him a friend of the Russian Federation

[bar]

Well, while it looks more like an imitation of a blow to save face.

Now it's the striped save-face's turn. Otherwise, the "world community" will perceive posts on Twitter about the Marquis as a drain.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Michael HORNET

Well, while it looks more like an imitation of a blow

It’s also like the destruction of runways.

[Fishery]

the lanes are closed during the day maximum, well, destroyed, and that

[Gray brother]

Quote: Tonya

stripes are closed during the day maximum

Concrete is gaining strength for about a month. There will be restrictions.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Michael HORNET

Iran of the Russian Federation is not a friend at all; its development project is completely opposite to the Russian one.

I wonder why it is so opposite?

[tihonmarine]

I really hope that we will use this as an excuse for the complete destruction of their nuclear infrastructure. We will not get a better opportunity (outshine8).

If you were sitting chicks of Uncle Sam in your states, and not running around the world like girls with "low social responsibility" and not spreading infectious diseases.

[igorbrsv]

. Therefore, the damage was minimal, users say, paying attention to the fact that there are no casualties among US troops and a small number of missiles were involved.

Interesting girls dance. The world is informed that not a single USA was harmed, and I heard about the destroyed planes at the bases and the death of the "Democrats" in the nth number

[Terentich]

Quote: igorbrsv

and the death of "democrats" in the nth number

Yeah .. and infa about this came from Iran’s state TV even before the missiles fell on the base amer Do not believe it, compare the date and time of publication of state media in Iran. There literally a few minutes passed after the blow, how did they manage to count the dead so quickly in a couple of minutes (literally)? It seems that generally repulsed propagandists are sitting there, here even Simonyan with his RT smokes on the sidelines.

[rocket757]

Let's wait and see.
The general impression ... of a serious conflict, so far, no one wants.

[parusnik]

Yes, and he will not be. Persian Gulf, painfully narrow ...

[rocket757]

Quote: parusnik

Yes, and he will not be. Persian Gulf, painfully narrow ...

Narrow and burn there is something!
It is comparatively easy to brew "porridge", to rake it, then, for a long time.

[Thrifty]

Yeah, the United States has no casualties, as usual, and then they will smuggle corpses in zinc coffins secretly home? But the patriot has already shown himself as complete bullshit! !!

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Quote: Thrifty

the usa has no losses, as always,

What? There were losses in past attacks. For them, they overwhelmed the whole Suleimani.

[Tank jacket]

I support, I do not believe that there were no losses during the shelling ...
American media - "fake news" (c).
I believe that the losses of American soldiers at the bases in Iraq after the rocket strike were BIG.
Indirect sign-economic and stock indices, prices for precious metals.
These financiers are the meanest and most knowledgeable type of non-people ...

[Semurg]

The Iranians seem to have written that with this shelling they avenged the general and will no longer take revenge. The Iranians answered weakly, now it is Trump’s turn to bomb a couple of ksir bases and finish this, everyone is happy.

[Sirocco]

Quote: Semurg

The Iranians answered weakly, now it is Trump’s turn to bomb a couple of ksir bases and finish this, everyone is happy.

I think it will be so, most likely they agreed behind the scenes, and Iran answered, the locals are in the positive, and the Americans will let out bubbles, a couple of rocket planes, that’s where they go. As it is suspiciously soft and cheap all this.

[malyvalv]

The IRGC will not get off with a couple of bases. Since the ultimate goal, as Trump said, "Iran will never have nuclear weapons."

[Sirocco]

A strange attack, at first everyone and everything was warned that there would be no one within a radius of 1 km from the base, of course the USA heard it)))) And then when everyone hid, they struck an "unexpected" blow. Well, it’s not serious. I may be wrong, but for maximum damage the blow should be unexpected and in an unexpected place. And so it looks like trying a Good Mine with a bad game. In general, let's look further. What can I say now, these are thoughts of perplexity in the ear.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Everyone expects everything from each other, surprise now does not exist as such. Not surprise is needed for a successful attack, but data is where anyone is sitting. Trump also warned about the attack in which Suleimani was killed on Twitter.

[PN]

Well, as if there was no official war between them in order to overwhelm each other with corpses. But at the same time, the effect is, as it were, the allies of the amers gave at least a gang ...

[gurzuf]

But does Iran have another option with an answer? He will not be until they have nuclear weapons. Well, if only repeat on September 11th.

[AU Ivanov.]

There is. Terrorist attacks on American targets around the world, including in the United States.

[Mirakuru]

To be honest, I don’t really believe that there are no losses. Many people like to keep silent about their losses. Especially Trump in anticipation of the election. Although of course the farce has a place to be. On the other hand, farce or not, but there was an attack, and now the United States is faced with the choice to respond or wash. By the way, some write about the losses of both equipment and personnel.

[Kerensky]

To be honest, I don’t really believe that there are no losses. Many people like to keep silent about their losses.

Now, if two posts are not liked, the wanted list is announced. If someone from the base didn’t call back that everything is fine, then such a high will rise!

[Mirakuru]

Many are silent and no one raises any high.

[Tank jacket]

Trump did everything to start evacuating American soldiers from the region. Canadians have already covered their skis.

[demo]

Yes.
Comments on the one hand, and on the other hand clearly indicate the immaturity of the writers.
"Anthology" of the conflict.
Iran purposefully, for the sake of third countries (read Israel and the CA), is drawn into a military confrontation.
Which is clearly not profitable for the Persians.
And they will lose him.
But Iran did not get involved in the war.
Then the advisers, I think it’s clear to everyone who decided to remove the general.
And not simple, but very important.
Most likely he was the first among the best.
The expediency of his murder can be characterized by two concepts - and bloodthirstiness.
Iran, in order not to lose face at all, deals two blows.
But the bases are so well chosen that not a single American s.voloch suffer.
By this fact, Iran confirms its right and its desire to respond with blow to blow, regardless of who hit it.
By the way, unlike my country, which very quickly forgot both the Turkish and Israeli fortels.
Shot down in response - this would give an understanding of pride in their country.

Iran is well done.
Real warriors.
And then it will be very bad, but a man, a warrior, should not retreat.

[Sirocco]

Quote: demo

By the way, unlike my country, which very quickly forgot both the Turkish and Israeli fortels.

About Turkey, you probably don’t know, but after the well-known events with our plane and pilot, Turkomanov and instructors were with them, grinded with rocks or wasn’t that? probably I was looking and seeing something wrong)))) They burned more than one column of smuggled oil with the Turks, or wasn’t this? Here with the Jews, yes, here is what we see, the Jews got off just with tomatoes, but this is the visible part for the public, and we don’t like this answer. Now, following your logic in the case of the Jews, we also wanted to pit us in a mess with them? Or were the Jews insolent? And they need to be smashed to pieces? Well, in this case, I would have been proud of the country, for I am a supporter of putting the snickering Jews in their place, in the case of Iran they had a hand in eliminating the general, as well as our plane. Tricky, mean, and hypocritical.
Now about the answer as you put it

Quote: demo

Iran is well done.
Real warriors.

In a sport where only the lazy one does not poke us, what happened to the so-called attack is called a match, that is, a purchased match. Well, who is doing well here? Do you like match-fixing in sports?
Your neighbor will spoil you under the door, you saw it, there is a photo, video recording, you go out, clean, wash the floor, and say thank you to the neighbor? I have neighbors for garbage and bull-calves under the balcony after repeated warnings that had no effect (why quarrel with the neighbors, there are important, necessary, cool ones), so I collected the garbage and put it under the doors to all the happy owners of this device. What happened? nothing, no one came to sort things out and the bull-calves with packs disappeared from the balcony. The same is the case with Iran. Not even a multi-way pull. Or did Iran still respond with something that was not announced in the media, and 10 rockets were fired for the media and us? After all, ours have decomposed the Global Hawk, and not one in the Mediterranean and Syria. Quietly peacefully they crashed in the USA))))

[demo]

I don’t even know if an answer to your detailed comments is needed.
I will explain a little.
The general tendency of Russia is to behave quieter than water and lower than grass.
The reason is well known.
Based on this, as a patriot of my country, I have a feeling of deep dissatisfaction with the policies of our leaders.
What we are provided for review is, of course, one thing.
What happens behind closed doors is different.
But!
In a day, in a month, in a year, in decades, everything climbs out.
And all of our, even heroic deeds begin to harm us.
You, I think, understand what I'm hinting at.
Therefore, all of our steps taken because of political expediency or political cowardice (how else to call it?) Will, without any doubt, be put to our peak.
Russia is always to blame for everything.
Why?
We have been appointed eternal guilty for everything.
This is what prevents the normal (or adequate) perception of the outside world.

[your1970]

Quote: demo

hinting.
Therefore, all of our steps taken because of political expediency or political cowardice (how else to call it?) Will, without any doubt, be put to our peak.
Russia is always to blame for everything.
Why?

Here he flew through the USSR for several years U-2 ... ... According to your theory, in response to such an insult, the USSR should have fallen, well, for example, tanks in West Berlin ...
And so the whole history of the USSR ..
When Stalin - Dry River
When Khrushchev-U-2
When Brezhnev. Korean Boeing and Afghanistan
Also "political cowardice"? Or just a sober assessment of the possible consequences?

[demo]

Each generation has its own dances.
Probably so.
Our current capabilities (even theoretical ones) cannot be adequately compared with our capabilities (and, as a result, answers to challenges) of those times.
This is about this.

[your1970]

Quote: demo

cannot adequately compare with our capabilities (and as a result answers to calls) of those times.

At the time of the IVS, the Red Army could occupy all of Europe in 2 weeks without straining.
At the time of Nikitos, the Soviet army could nullify Europe and part of the United States in 40 minutes
Our current strength is lot less than those times.

Nevertheless, neither during the IVS, nor during Nikitos, nor during Brezhnev that I did not observe military responses to the challenges of those times.

Maybe this is a political responsibility after all (including now) - and not political cowardice?

[demo]

Maybe I didn’t quite accurately state my point of view, but it is precisely that our capabilities are not commensurate with the capabilities of the USSR, of different eras.
But IVS - it made me stumble when reading a comment.
Until I realized that it was you who drove Comrade Stalin into the initials.

[Chingachguk]

And why then shoot somewhere, if you know in advance that it will be a simple firework? Does this somehow speak of the courage and strength of arms and spirit?

[Stas157]

Quote: demo

"Anthology" of the conflict.
Iran purposefully, for the sake of third countries (read Israel and the CA), is drawn into a military confrontation.

I will join your opinion. I have the same impression. It is as if a puppeteer is sitting behind all these events, who is steadily pushing the situation toward disaster (for Iran). Russia is also unprofitable. In all international situations, Iran played in our field.

[Chingachguk]

Hmm .... Missile strike! Loud statement! But in fact, it would be better if they didn’t shoot and did not disgrace .....

[Livonetc]

The mattresses inflicted massive missile attacks on Syria, the result of which was scanty.
Let’s see if the minke whales inflict a blow from thrown shortly before to the B52 region.
And Iran at the moment meant determination and the possibility of striking.
By the way, out of 15 missiles fired, 11 reached the target (territory of the military base).
And interestingly, there is no information about the operation of the US air defense systems.

[Chingachguk]

In this case, the United States may well launch a nuclear strike against Iran and call it attractive since Iran threatens America with a missile strike and even already fired somewhere there ......

[Chingachguk]

Well, what's the determination then? The fact that they pulled into the void? ))))) They gave a gopher a slap in the desert.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Chingachguk

But in fact, it would be better if they didn’t shoot and did not disgrace .....

but what exactly is the shame?

[Chingachguk]

Interestingly, this is how all countries will answer the Americans if that, for the murder of their military generals if God forbid this happens? As a child, I shot up a slingshot in the private sector, and hoped that the pebble would damage the roof to bad neighbors, and then I was also proud of what I had done! Here is Iran’s answer, it looks about the same.

[Barmaleyka]

I repeat the question, what exactly is the shame ?!
please, without smearing the green substance on a plate

[Chingachguk]

I repeat the answer - "to oppose a wheel to a neighbor because he crashed your car" is not a punishment for what you have done! Or is this enough for you?

[Barmaleyka]

damn, you do not know how to read, or simply not able to answer?
clearly and distinctly without any allegories, WHAT IS THE SHAME? !!!

[Chingachguk]

I answer for especially "teachable" In a bespontooy answer! Now they will receive a privileged nuclear strike from the United States, and this will all be over. Why pull a snake by the tail? She will turn around and finish what she started ...... Here either, or ....... "If not in your hands, PREVENT your tongue!" Well, that's my opinion. I just do not like it when people make loud statements and the output is zilch, it turns out more expensive for myself ..... You naturally have your own opinion, this is normal.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Chingachguk

and the output is zilch,

what zilch ?!
Do you know about the results of a blow to the mattress base? !!
Do you know about the reaction of the main hairy ?!
Sorry, but you shake the air

[Chingachguk]

At the funeral of the general, more people were injured than after a missile strike at a US base! Walking along the cell with Garila and making her grimaces is one thing, and you open the cage and enter it!

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Chingachguk

At the funeral of the general, more people were injured than after a missile strike at a US base!

you have data on the number of victims of the blow, then bring them BY FAMILY

[Chingachguk]

I don’t understand why you grabbed onto this ??? Were you there? I judge by the statements of states, I look through the media, and where do you get the info from? If you know something more, then tell us! Or is it a secret?

[Chingachguk]

The fact of the matter is that there is no data on the affected mattresses! It was just a salute! In whose honor, it is not clear.

[Ramzaj99]

Quote: Chingachguk

The fact of the matter is that there is no data on the affected mattresses! It was just a salute! In whose honor, it is not clear.

The fact of the matter is that some media say there are no casualties, while others say that more than 80 corpses have already been taken there. And at least 2 aircraft are damaged. If the figures for the amount of damage is already much more than the cost of the issued ammunition.

[Chingachguk]

Have you seen 80 killed US soldiers? US media does not talk about any killed soldiers. I think if they were, Trump would be pecked! And they would put an end to his second term. Therefore, I still believe that Iran hit the gophers in the desert and declared a slap in the face. It is designed for the internal user.

[Ramzaj99]

Quote: Chingachguk

Therefore, I still believe that Iran hit gophers in the desert

You can count anything. The network is already in bulk satellite imagery. And the gophers burnt there are the same.

[Chingachguk]

So I have not seen these videos yet. And on the news I didn’t hear what they were talking about. If you're right, then I won’t understand why the US media are silent about this, CNN for example ..........

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Chingachguk

The fact of the matter is that there is no data on the affected mattresses!

how old are you ?!
when did the mattresses give loss data to SI?

[Chingachguk]

I saw the funeral of an Iranian general. I saw the number of people who came to the funeral. I have not heard of the funeral of 80 US soldiers. Although everyone understands that any death in the U.S. Army due to Trump’s actions is a nail in the coffin of Trump’s second term. The American media immediately raised all this and inflated everything so that Trump would have to resign himself, or give a concrete answer to Iran to end him once and for all.

[demo]

Right.
It was necessary to embed Israel.
That there would be no stone on the stone.
And whatever happens !!!!!!!!
Then surely there would be no shame.

[Chingachguk]

Well, if it were Israel who committed a terrorist attack against the general, then why not? Or for those who are stronger, you can kill people from other countries and states? If in the world they knew that for every crime the country would be punished, such an idleness would not have happened. The UN is silent, the world community is silent. And for the Violinists, Russia is still vilified, although there is no evidence of its guilt.

[demo]

Well, if it were Israel who committed a terrorist attack against the general, then why not?
For some reason, I have doubts about the initiator?
And you, dear son of a great nation - businessmen - have?

[Chingachguk]

There is. I do not believe in guesses and not relying on them. I believe the facts.

[Stas157]

Quote: Chingachguk

But in fact, it would be better if they didn’t shoot and did not disgrace .....

It would be better to say that you won’t get off with tomatoes?

I remember, then the whole world was really waiting ... and Putin again deceived everyone!

[Chingachguk]

And what, Turkey said that it would destroy Russia if it crashes it for a plane?

[Chingachguk]

And do you think it was necessary to launch a rocket attack on the gophers? Would it be cooler? Russia and some incomprehensible missile strike to nowhere and Putin’s statement about the slap ... It doesn’t even fit my head.

[Gennady Fomkin]

. By the way, once Iraq was the richest Arab country, if anyone did not know. Now there is nothing to eat. Democracy.

[Avior]

Once upon a time, until Hussein started his adventures and started a war with Iran

began a devastating war with Iran, which lasted 8 years (1980-1988). During the war, Saddam Hussein ordered the operation "Anfal" against Iraqi Kurds, during which Iraqi troops used chemical weapons, at the same time carried out reprisals against anti-war activists, mostly members of the Shiite community. The war brought huge casualties, becoming one of the largest conflicts that occurred after the end of World War II, leading to the decline of all sectors of the economy and a sharp decline in the standard of living of the population in both countries. In addition, Iraq was in a severe financial crisis due to the accumulation of unpaid debts to foreign creditors.

[gurzuf]

If Hussein had nuclear weapons, then no striped star colorado would come close to it.

[Avior]

It seems that you have not read carefully
But the reality is that Iraq’s financial problems began even before the US invasion of Iraq. And in the 70s Iraq is really a very rich state, this is an undoubted fact

... oil export revenues allowed for large-scale reforms (many under the direct supervision of Saddam Hussein) in the economic and social fields. Saddam came up with a program of transformations, the purpose of which he formulated briefly: “a strong economy, a strong army, a strong leadership” [28]. Trying to cope with the shortcomings of the socialist economy, Saddam decided to encourage the development of the private sector. By the mid-1970s, he strongly encouraged entrepreneurs and more and more attracted private companies, local and foreign, to state development programs. Universities and schools, highways and power plants, water supply and sewage systems, and small and large houses were under construction throughout the country. Multidisciplinary and specialized hospitals were opened [49]. A system of universal education and health care was created. Under the leadership of Saddam, an intensive literacy campaign began. ... Electrification is being carried out, the network of roads has significantly increased. The standard of living in Iraq has become one of the highest in the Middle East. Iraq has created one of the most advanced healthcare systems in the Middle East [53] [54] ....
After the nationalization of foreign oil interests, Saddam began to modernize the countryside, starting the mechanization of agriculture on a large scale, and also allocating land to the peasants [58]. According to estimates of international banks and other financial institutions (IBRD, IMF, Deutsche Bank and others), Iraq has formed a very large foreign exchange reserve of $ 30-35 billion [59]. As a result of the economic boom in Iraq, a significant number of migrants from Arab and other Asian countries arrived in search of jobs. ....
By the early 1980s, Iraq became, along with Egypt, the most developed state in the Arab world [60].

Above, as in the previous post, there was a quote from Wikipedia
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BC_%D0%A5%D1%83%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%B9%D0%BD
But after the start of the war with Iran, the situation has changed
here is another quote from there

As a result of the war with Iran, the Iraqi economy suffered significant damage. Over the eight years of hostilities, external debt has formed, estimated at about $ 80 billion. The country did not have the opportunity to repay it; on the contrary, additional financial revenues were required to restore industry. In this situation, Saddam Hussein saw potential prerequisites for the emergence of social instability .... He assumed that he would be able to solve the country's social and economic problems accumulated during the war in a short time, relying on the help of Arab countries .... However, it soon became apparent that no one is going to forgive him a large debt, much less to continue free financial assistance. Several times, Saddam asked Arab countries to write off Iraqi debts and provide new loans, but these calls were largely ignored ...

[demo]

https://www.yakutseni.ru/articles/66-political-ecology-of-oil-production-and-refining
We read carefully.
On many eyes will open.

[Avior]

And what is there to open? War costs money, and a lot of money.
Especially if it goes on for years

[demo]

I understand.
I don’t feel like wasting time.
But you strain.
Read it.
Much that seemed obvious yesterday would be unbelievable. And vice versa.

[gurzuf]

The experience of Un and his family to help them.

[svp67]

“Where were the Patriot?”: US reaction to an Iranian missile strike

How where, on prevention, they were preparing for war ...

[Yang yangov]

"Patriots" were rubber ?? or did the curvature of the Earth prevent them?)

[maden.usmanow]

Small flying time, which is surprising.

[Pytnik]

Quote: Michael HORNET

Well, while it looks more like an imitation of a blow to save face. They aimed missiles past and killed no one.

As a result of a missile strike on several US military facilities in Iraq, 80 American troops were killed. Such data has led Iranian state television, reports Reuters.

It is noted that on Iranian TV the victims of the shelling were called "American terrorists." The Pentagon did not comment on this information, but earlier information about the dead was not received.

[Strashila]

But in fact, the American army bureaucrats and suppliers will benefit from all this, write off all shortages for a blow, and push something else to the left.

[maden.usmanow]

Iran has already stated that it does not want war, this is great news. But I think the United States is already preparing retaliatory strikes on launch, oilfield, and port infrastructure. The Americans got a legitimate reason to answer, and miss this chance, they obviously will not.

[Sniper]

the United States with its Patriots will also receive, and Israel will also get after. along with your "Iron Kumpol". just wait !!

[maden.usmanow]

The most likely answer, in addition to the military, is the naval blockade of Iran. I'm sorry Iranian economy

[midshipman]

My opinion should urgently consider the issue at the UN. The war should be stopped, US troops should be withdrawn from Iraq. Russia, China and India should jointly oppose this conflict unleashed by the United States, and the countries of Europe should not be silent. A bad world is better than a good war.

[mirexes]

Is the UN now deciding something?

[mirexes]

Really no one understands that this is a rally. Previously, everyone played this way with North Korea, but this game has already tired everyone and everyone is used to it, but here it’s new. It's just that Mirasego’s strengths are distracting attention from something.

[spectr]

As I understand it, after two such punctures in the United States will be forced to revise the agreement with Israel and increase the number of purchased complexes "iron dome". So it is quite possible that Iran has a delay of 2-3 years before the start of hostilities, if they do not merge the location of military facilities.
Now, IMHO, the United States is not profitable to start hostilities. Weak air defense and missile defense in the United States (and Iran has shown that it is ready to use this weakness), the presence of S-300 in Iran (plus, if you didn’t lie, there was once a statement that they learned to rivet their counterparts), recent joint maneuvers of Iran, China, Russia (that is, as an option, Iran can count on help with weapons and / or components for organizing the production and repair of necessary equipment).

[maden.usmanow]

Iran Sea Blockade - Remember My Forecast

[spectr]

Maybe. And if there was a Trans-Iranian channel, which is periodically recalled, it would not be so catastrophic.

[demo]

Today in Iran there is only one power.
And we, Russia and the Caspian littoral countries, are in relative safety.
Tomorrow the power has changed.
And the Americans and the like became friends.
It means that the entrance to the Caspian Sea can allow everyone who is not lazy to come.
This is the first.
The marine biota of the Caspian and the marine biota of the Indian Ocean are completely uncorrelated with each other.
Ocean flora and fauna will kill the sea (read the lake).
This is the second.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Quote: maden.usmanow

Iran Sea Blockade - Remember My Forecast

And through the Caspian? Here, even first, ours must be persuaded to join the blockade, which is now unrealistic.
The Persian Gulf, if necessary, Iran itself will fill up with mines.

[maden.usmanow]

The Caspian is not connected with the World Ocean. Iran will be pinched in the Gulf, and taken to blockade

[Sergey M. Karasev]

So most of the trade with Iran will go through Russia. It is beneficial for us. And the exhaust from the sea blockade will be frivolous.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Avior

Once upon a time, until Hussein started his adventures and started a war with Iran

began a devastating war with Iran, which lasted 8 years (1980-1988). During the war, Saddam Hussein ordered the operation "Anfal" against Iraqi Kurds, during which Iraqi troops used chemical weapons, at the same time carried out reprisals against anti-war activists, mostly members of the Shiite community. The war brought huge casualties, becoming one of the largest conflicts that occurred after the end of World War II, leading to the decline of all sectors of the economy and a sharp decline in the standard of living of the population in both countries. In addition, Iraq was in a severe financial crisis due to the accumulation of unpaid debts to foreign creditors.

Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, with whom the United States fought two wars and who was ultimately overthrown, came to power largely thanks to the American intelligence services. Moreover, at least five American administrations maintained close contacts and almost allied relations with him. And in 1985, Washington allowed US firms to export high-tech products to Iraq. The most advanced technologies that Baghdad then acquired became a decisive condition for the implementation of Saddam's program for the production of weapons of mass destruction. And soon Saddam Hussein applied it. But not against Iran, but against the Kurds in their own country.

[Avior]

There situational allies took turns
And the USSR supported Hussein, Iraq had full Soviet weapons

[Chingachguk]

I think that the Iranian government had a difficult task. On the one hand, how to show your face and not applicability to the actions of the United States to its own population, who came to the funeral of the general. On the other hand, shoot very carefully, so as not to immediately receive a favorable blow from America in response. No matter how cool it is for Iran to communicate with mattresses, whatever they say there .... When you want to hit and win quickly, you don't have to say a lot and shout about it. Once and for all. Hit or miss. Or be quiet. "NO IN HANDS, PREVENT THE LANGUAGE"

[Fishery]

it was just a firework)))) the curvature of the earth prevented)

[Mixanson]

I would be happy if Trump laughed and asked: “Is that all you have?” - and decided that it’s not worth taking revenge for it

Laugh for now .. Someday the American continent will flare up .. Do you hope that the ocean will save you?
Then we’ll see what you will write when your houses begin to burn and your loved ones begin to perish ..

[Paul Siebert]

Trump is the only post-war president of the United States who, during his reign, did not carry out a massive military invasion.
He limited himself to local rocket attacks, and loud rhetoric on Twitter.
Now he has every chance to "improve".
The attack on two US military installations in Iraq is the "first swallow" in a series of upcoming American problems.
If a tiger is pulled for a long time by a mustache - sooner or later he will bite off his hand.
I'm afraid then the tiger will have to be euthanized - if the flayer has enough spirit ...

[Lunaaron]

Behind all this bloody booth, Israel's ears stick out.

[Air force]

The comments are standard, just like we have on VO, there are radical ones, there are sound ones, there are vile ones, etc. But as for the issue of air defense, it seems to me that the Americans had good air defense, until no one dared to strike at their bases or their allies, fearing retaliation. And so, the plant in Saudi Arabia is the result of air defense "0", then they are beating directly at the bases, the result is the same, and if the strike were carried out by more advanced missile weapons, for example, the export "Klub-K", then it turns out in general as in the shooting range would it be to beat wherever you want? For example, take Syria, whatever one may say, but their air defense is even outdated, it does interceptions, it does not always do it, but how their air defense showed itself during massive strikes, how many 60 axes were released and most of them intercepted, but we can say that there were agreements, the Americans They deliberately hit in the desert, or at the plant in Arabia, the "patriots" were deliberately silent, but why do Americans need such anti-advertising? It may turn out that the Americans' air defense is simply useless, they did not really work for them, no matter what intelligence and modern missile weapons.

[Fishery]

cool Iranian jewelry experts did not hit any American))))))))))))))))))))

[Fishery]

Tehran said it does not exit the nuclear deal

Iran’s Deputy Foreign Minister Abbas Arakchi said that despite Iran’s decision to abandon uranium enrichment restrictions, the nuclear agreement has not been terminated. )))))))))))) I can not)) funny

[Ivanov IV]

Iran acted worthy!
He demonstrated his readiness, dignity, and lack of protection in the United States.
Retribution will be! But it must be deliberate and prepared.
Iran needs to find out the role of Israel in this vile affair.
Iran withdrew from the "nuclear" deal.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Tonya

cool Iranian jewelry experts did not hit any American))))))))))))))))))))

And even warned in advance Persian Trick

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: maden.usmanow

Iran Sea Blockade - Remember My Forecast

Yeah, the Strait of Hormuz will be covered and mustache

[Nomad Plus]

Iran will easily block not only the Gulf of Oman but also the Red Sea, and then what? it is not beneficial to anyone ..

[Avior]

It happened before.
Operation Mantis is over.
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Богомол_(операция)

[Dima_Anlim]

I just want to ask - "was there a boy?" It seems like the Iranians launched missiles. Kind of like on American bases. Only the United States has neither destruction nor losses. But the Iraqis suffered. The very ones who want to expel the Americans. If the Iranian troops call such strikes "retaliation", then they are greatly mistaken about the concept of "retaliation". Yes, and all this shows how low-quality and inaccurate Iran's missiles are. Something like the "Scud" of the Iraqis during the long-standing war with the US coalition.

[Nomad Plus]

loss of amers is. they are hiding. they are afraid of fighting with Iran, it is not profitable for them. War cannot be avoided if profitability finds out about losses ..

[Vladimir Borzenko]

Dima: Scud are missiles being developed in the USSR for delivering nuclear strikes. So the low speed and lack of maneuver is compensated by the power of charges. The use of Scuds in this limited area will have irreparable consequences.

[Nomad Plus]

it is time for the United States and its allies to buy from 400, and then the patriots do not work.

[HMR333]

honestly crazy, they at least understand what these people write, they want a war thinking that they won’t get enough God give them reason!

[Aleks2000]

That is, the United States coped even without a PATRIOT? ???
This is if you drop the husk

[alexey alexeyev_2]

Where is the patriot? Where, where. You answer in rhyme or understand yourself

[Deathmaker]

Quote: Rostislav Bely

higher oil prices increase gas station prices

That is if you import oil. And the USA is an exporting country.

[Dimon Dimonov_2]

The Americans declared war on the whole world!? Naive .... Against will be Russia ... China ... Iran .. and Skoreya ..

[Gennady Fomkin]

Again AUG threaten kimmu? We already saw them there. He will walk along the coast of the United States without hesitation

[zlideny]

There are rumors that things could even reach a nuclear strike. I have only one question: what about amerenoses in the contaminated area will pump oil out for the next 50 years. Everything comes from it.

[Vladimir Borzenko]

Starting with the Vietnam War, Russian air defense systems are regularly tested in all military conflicts and regularly modernized. Therefore, they are so effective. And remember at least one conflict where American air defense was tested.

[eagle owl]

Remember, American weapons are not made for defense. And for sale!
So Patriot was in place))) Together, by the way, with the F-35 super-fighters, which, incidentally, are also part of the air defense

[Host Tavern]

Good luck to those who are now in the BWA

[0x0]

Condolences to the relatives of the victims. Iran will be blamed for the plane crash (but somehow it is too "on time" with the plane ... It reminds me of something great).
Now is the "move" of the Yusovites? They will answer - coffins will go for a puddle, and here they have elections on the nose. If they do not answer, they will lose face (with the prospect of the appearance of coffins), and then their elections are approaching ... Trump has a difficult choice, like that monkey. Is he smart or handsome? Do not burst!

[Killemall]

I would be happy if Trump laughed and asked: “Is that all you have?” - and decided that it was not worth taking revenge for it (Jeff Rielley).

no-no-no, Jeff .. the doctor said to the morgue ... then to the morgue!

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Avior

It happened before.
Operation Mantis is over.
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Богомол_(операция)

Wikipedia? Yes, this is the most "indisputable authority" who knows everything. I doubt that the Persians did not take all this into account

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Deathmaker

Quote: Rostislav Bely

higher oil prices increase gas station prices

That is if you import oil. And the USA is an exporting country.

Oil supplies from Russia to the United States increased sharply in March 2019. At the time, Caracas Capital Market noted that they had surpassed the highest since 2011. “Ironically, the Russians are benefiting from the collapse of Venezuela: one hostile sanctioned country replaces another hostile sanctioned country in supplying the United States ", - What is your place in world production? Oil supplies from Russia to the United States increased sharply in March 2019. At the time, Caracas Capital Market noted that they had surpassed the highest since 2011. “Ironically, the Russians are benefiting from the collapse of Venezuela: one hostile sanctioned country replaces another hostile sanctioned country in supplying the United States ", –
16.12.2009/18/30, 11:3.7 as of December 2.1 −3.8 million −XNUMX million −XNUMX million P -

[cat Rusich]

Iran "threw" 15 darts (missiles) at the USA (the US base is the personification of the USA itself) - Uncle Sam Haven't started firing with all guns yet? - excuses began that it didn’t hurt (no one was killed).

[Kulalex]

For the pumpkin, our advice is a free Syria, an arms contract with Turkey, a gas pipeline, etc. And to be more precise, what Gadfly writes is that it was a provocation against Erdogan, and I think everyone understands whose.

[Kulalex]

I don’t understand some bloggers, it’s not enough for you that in the Middle East the Americans lost several thousand killed and the same number wounded.

[Gennady Fomkin]

The Wall Street Journal, citing its sources, reported that the two largest tanker operators, including the state-controlled Saudi Arabian firm Bahri, will suspend the passage of their tankers in the Strait of Hormuz.

Meanwhile, Gulf officials are already trying to convince the world that nothing terrible happened. United Arab Emirates Energy Minister Suhai Al Mazrouei said on Wednesday that he saw no immediate danger to the oil passing through the strait, which accounts for 20% of the world's oil supply. Al Mazrouei made the comments on the sidelines of a conference in Abu Dhabi, the capital of the UAE. Oh, it's getting warm.

Oil at 100?

[Strag]

where were where were they? - they were on the spot, they were not warned and they were not shown where they would fly. what questions? )) They didn’t tell the Saudis either, but it’s probably the SA soldiers who are to blame, they probably have their hands in the wrong place. and maybe in these complexes the Saudis are also sad) but it’s definitely not a bad system)

[gorskova.irina]

This is all very disgusting. Especially the US boast of killing an Iranian figure. Visa waiver for Iran's representative at the UN. Does the laurels of destroying millions of people in wars keep anyone from sleeping?

[Doctor]

"Where were the Patriots?" - in Romania, presumably, they protected their airspace from Iran.

[SKR-1135]

What about Patriot? I remember they tried to convince Putin that a missile defense system was being built in Europe against Iran.

[Vladimir SHajkin]

Trump said that military measures are not needed; there is enough economic power to crush Iran, but Iran has been living under sanctions for many years and no one can crush it.
In general, the situation is stalemate; no one won or lost on the international stage, but in their own domain everyone became successful.
The SGA showed the main thing - to their voters - that they are strong.
Iran showed its people that they are strong and were able to respond to force with force
So far - draw

[Oleg]

I watched this circus (like, we will take revenge and our revenge will be terrible!) through the veil of withdrawal syndrome... Somewhere in the deep, not affected by alcohol, parts of the brain, a crazy thought stirred: weren’t the Iranians themselves leaking the overly popular general? The thought moved and died down... Let's look at this action, which looks very much like an agreement.

[Murad Suleymanov]

The Iranians should have hammered them non-stop for breakfast, lunch and dinner, until these cowardly mongrels faded into diapers and no longer appeared in the Middle East!

[Volga073]

The victims had their American passports taken away all night and were deprived of their citizenship))

[mirexes]

Well, the circus with the war between Iran and the United States is over, and woefully analysts were speculating when the war would start, although here it’s clear that this is a distracting manner, like with North Korea

[Sonvos]

A trial is underway regarding Iran's missile attack on a US military base...
There are three defendants - the Patriot missile, radar and electronics. Judge:
— Patriot, why didn’t you react to Iranian missiles?
- What am I? I'm not in the aisles! The radar didn’t tell me anything, and I’m calm.
— Radar, why didn’t you tell the Patriot missile anything?
- So... This... The electronics failed. I’m small, whatever the electronics tell me, that’s what I do.
- Electronics! Tell the court why you didn't do anything?
- Your Grace, I’m not in business anymore! I wasn't there at all!

[Pavel57]

It looks like everything was as agreed - to shoot and make peace. Why then strain the Patriots, although this will not benefit them.

[Konstantin Boyarintsev]

Hmm... Another Malaysian Boeing has been forgotten, which they have been looking for for a long, long time. And when describing the search, it was stated that after it disappeared from the radar, its engines worked normally for more than 4 hours, transmitting remote telemetry. Yeah. And once they transmitted it, they could also receive it. Further. The plane was released after 11.11.11/XNUMX/XNUMX, you know what I mean? Probably, in ALL Boeing aircraft there are bookmarks that allow you to drop it, at a minimum, to take over complete control, at a maximum, remotely. And, yes, once is an accident, twice is a pattern, three times is a trend, however. And the ears of the beneficiary in each case are very similar. We should think with our own heads and make OUR OWN planes, otherwise something might happen to the Boeings we fly. And it’s not a bad reason for blackmail... Or... or everything that flies will fall. Same version, of course. Not an expert, unfortunately. PS An engine fire will not destroy the plane; the engine is switched off and the fire extinguishing system is activated. Even the flying turbine blades do not penetrate the tanks and fuselage. But if you remotely put the engine into extreme mode, the entire engine overheats and breaks down, damaging the tanks... then yes, such a fire will no longer be put out by the standard system.

[mirexes]

Yes, it’s no secret that Boeings can be controlled remotely, in America it was shown on September 11 at the Twin Towers.

[Simon]

[quote]I thought that at least 2 Patriot batteries were in the area (HAmm3r3D).[/quote][/quote]
So why didn't they destroy the Iranian missiles? - So it turns out that American air defense is weak for the second time, even in front of Iranian missiles. That is, nothing can be done against air aggression or the Americans are talking bullshit.

[Vanych]

however, the Americans also got cold feet and withdrew their entire fleet from the Strait of Hormuz

[Vik ganz]

But Uglanov, in a conversation with General Ivashov, fantasized that they wanted to evacuate Iranian nuclear scientists on (a plane that crashed in Iran) in order to take them to Moscow. Why to Moscow, and not to Beijing or, for example, not to Delhi?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP3PFHQnYx4
Dreamers.

[Egor53]

The American air defense and missile defense system is equipped with surface-to-air missiles.
The United States has not yet learned how to make surface-to-surface rockets and surface-to-aircraft... but they are trying very hard.