Indian media: Russian “Shell-C1” did not pass mobility tests in desert conditions

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The Indian press claims that the Russian “Shell-C1” did not pass mobility tests in desert conditions. And for this reason, South Korea “leads the way in the Indian market”. However, the Russian Ministry of Defense is protesting: after all, we are talking about a deal worth $ 2,5 billion.

The Indian Defense Procurement Council (DAC) is expected to review this month and decide on the acquisition of self-propelled air defense systems (SPAD-GMS). This was reported to The Economic Times in New Delhi by some anonymous authors who were "informed" in the relevant issue.



The Ministry of Defense of India should announce the purchase of new air defense systems for the army in the amount of $ 2,5 billion. The announcement is expected after a "decisive protest" in Russia. Reason: According to the newspaper, Russia “protested” India’s choice of a South Korean manufacturer and demanded a review of the decision, saying that it was “unfairly disqualified,” the newspaper said.

What is the point?

As the observer recalls, after a series of tests in various territories, including desert lands, “the only system that can qualify for a contract” was the K-30 Biho (Flying Tiger). This system was developed by the South Korean company Hanwha Defense.

As for Russia, according to the sources on which the publication relies, it offers “two separate systems,” namely, the modernized Tunguska-M1 and Pantsir missile systems. But both systems "failed the test."

A significant failure for Russia turned out to be “mobility tests: they [systems] failed to fulfill the requirements,” the article states.

Hanwha from South Korea entered the short list of applicants at the beginning of last year, the publication further recalls. However, negotiations have stalled, not reaching the next stage - bargaining. The reason for the suspension of price negotiations was mainly “a few objections and complaints from the Russian side, including an official complaint to the committee for internal monitoring of the ministry”.

Russia is looking for another chance, wanting to go through field trials and prove that its systems meet all technical requirements. Meanwhile, the Indian army is "satisfied" and, according to sources, advocates a transition to price negotiations.

The choice of the K-30 Biho unpleasantly hit the Russian side, which was

"The traditional provider of mobile ground systems for the Indian army."

India should make a final decision on this issue in the near future.

Discussion of the acquisition of mobile air defense systems began back in 2013. Since then, all competitors have passed a series of tests, stretching over two years. The choice of the K-30, the publication concludes, was the second major victory for Korean systems in India after the acquisition of the K-9 self-propelled artillery systems (in India this system is called the Vajra).
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  1. +20
    8 January 2020 06: 34
    Yes, there it is for a long time, comrades Indians can change their minds many times, cancel the approved, ultimately start all over again, and then completely abandon this business for years ..
    1. +11
      8 January 2020 06: 45
      They are like Old Man, smiling in the face in the back is building faces.
      1. +42
        8 January 2020 07: 54
        They, unlike Old Man, pay live money. They can and get up.
        1. +6
          8 January 2020 10: 18
          It’s right now that the condition will be put on like share technology then we’ll buy it.
          1. +4
            8 January 2020 11: 47
            It is clear that the Indians bargain for themselves the best conditions.
            Give them both technology and technology.
            The fact that dog lovers finally won the tender is far from a fact.
            Three hundred times still everything will be reviewed and replayed ...
            1. 0
              12 January 2020 02: 32
              Maybe they will buy * Bramas * missiles for their ships from Korea? It will be interesting to observe the alteration of the entire missile launch system ..
        2. +4
          8 January 2020 15: 45
          May be. In 2037 and beyond. And often in rupees ... So the Indians are still partners ...
          1. 0
            8 January 2020 16: 37
            We don’t want, we don’t trade, we want - we trade
      2. +3
        9 January 2020 21: 06
        Quote: ML-334
        as Old Man smiles in the face in the back builds faces.

        Well, Indian merchants are cooler: they manage to smile and make faces ... to themselves. fellow wassat
    2. +21
      8 January 2020 09: 21
      I recall with nostalgia the times when the media could be at least partially believed. Now only propaganda and PR.
      1. -2
        8 January 2020 17: 22
        Quote: Siberia 75
        I recall with nostalgia the times when the media could be at least partially believed. Now only propaganda and PR.

        This is when it was? Is it really in the USSR?
        1. +1
          9 January 2020 17: 47
          This is when it was? Is it really in the USSR?

          Well, if not in the USSR, then this bright time was when Birch and Gusinsky decided what the agenda would be, on the federal channels

          Apparently.

          I recall with nostalgia the times when the media could be at least partially believed.

          need to be clear, yes. Either this is the time of the Pravda newspaper, or yes - the seven bankers. RI media I think you have not read it.
        2. +4
          9 January 2020 20: 57
          Yes, in Soviet times, newspapers could be trusted. The facts there did not distort. Another story is that a lot has been hushed up. But if they wrote about what, then they didn’t lie.
    3. +2
      8 January 2020 18: 31
      It should be understood that the narrow-film, not frail "cutlet" was brought to Delhi. The country started producing weapons yesterday, and today it wins world tenders.
    4. 0
      8 January 2020 19: 30
      not curry-handed Indians tryndet about our air defense systems, pygmies indestructible, the level of their mental abilities can be judged by their preferences, give preference to Merinovsky copters refusing Milevsky cars
    5. -1
      9 January 2020 08: 03
      must be offered at the new Kamaz, it is impossible to refuse.

      1. Eug
        +1
        10 January 2020 09: 21
        Offer based on Indian TATA.
    6. +13
      9 January 2020 08: 15
      I would not take the same thing in place of the Indians. justified.
      1 color of the complex has never been elegant and generally dull.
      2 on the complex there are no fastening rings for flower garlands and bouquets.
      3 no dance floor
      only these shortcomings are enough for failure.
      1. +2
        9 January 2020 19: 52
        Quote: Skarpzd
        I would not take the same thing in place of the Indians. justified.
        1 color of the complex has never been elegant and generally dull.
        2 on the complex there are no fastening rings for flower garlands and bouquets.
        3 no dance floor
        only these shortcomings are enough for failure.

        You forgot about the fact that there is no good audio system! ) How are they going to dance without music?)))
      2. +2
        9 January 2020 21: 19
        Quote: Skarpzd
        I would not take the same thing in place of the Indians. justified.
        1 color of the complex has never been elegant and generally dull.
        2 on the complex there are no fastening rings for flower garlands and bouquets.
        3 no dance floor

        I object to the points:
        1. Color "jungle before dawn" - romantic! laughing
        2. Only on the lower frontal - a whole body kit. And PU (especially if you separate it vertically) ...
        Yes, hang there and not live.fellow
        3. And you don’t need to dance on it - you need to be around, because the complex itself is like a mobile disco:
        locator - screen-panel, spotlight - stroboscope. And all this accompanied by hellish Drum & Bass.
        good wassat
        Voila. We must take it. Yes hi
      3. +1
        10 January 2020 12: 57
        Quote: Skarpzd
        only these shortcomings are enough for failure.

        And who knows why, in 2012, the Shell failed tests as a complex of air defense of the ground forces and was not accepted for service? But the Indians need a complex for the ground forces?
    7. 0
      10 January 2020 13: 47
      It seems like there are wheeled shells
  2. +7
    8 January 2020 06: 35
    mobility for air defense is certainly important, but what about the main thing - the definition, capture and defeat of goals
    1. +5
      8 January 2020 07: 23
      By "mobility" should be understood that the Indians are dissatisfied with the resource and reliability of the propulsion systems of Russian technology. And this is really a problem. in addition, there are complaints about the comfort of the personnel in these missile systems.
      1. +7
        8 January 2020 07: 55
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        Indians are dissatisfied with the resource and reliability of propulsion systems of Russian technology

        Which indicators suddenly fall in desert conditions?
      2. +3
        8 January 2020 07: 55
        Everything is just there .... KAMAZ 8x8 civilian car and Tata 8x8 too .... some kind of muddy topic.
        1. +2
          8 January 2020 08: 30
          Maybe the engine is warming up in the desert, maybe the air conditioner in the cockpit does not have a separate drive, maybe something is wrong with cleaning the air, it does not cope, etc. In addition, I read that the Korean system is a more stable platform when firing from guns. in conditions of sandy soils, so ours pulled the "Tunguska" to the test, but she has a problem with the optical-electronic guidance channel ...
          1. -2
            8 January 2020 09: 33
            Chassis Indian ...
          2. +3
            8 January 2020 10: 35
            Or maybe just a wheeled chassis versus a crawler?
          3. +2
            8 January 2020 19: 03
            Maybe the engine is warming in the desert, maybe the air conditioning in the cabin does not have a separate drive, maybe something is wrong with air purification, it can’t cope
            Maybe ... Maybe ... Maybe .... And what exactly is that ..? Or do you ascribe your fantasies to Indians ..?
      3. -1
        8 January 2020 15: 46
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        Indians are dissatisfied with the resource and reliability of propulsion systems of Russian technology

        Everyone around the world is happy, and the Indians, as always, have their own wedding.
      4. +7
        8 January 2020 18: 32
        The Saudis sat comfortably in their "patriots" - did it help them a lot?
      5. +1
        8 January 2020 19: 00
        Indians are unhappy with the resource and reliability of propulsion systems of Russian technology. And this is really a problem.
        This is where you read it ...? I'm talking about the resource and reliability .... Some sort of spiteful people from the camp of competitors ..? Or in articles from the 09s ...? Such problems were of course, but now what are the problems.? With air conditioners the same situation - everything has long been known and everything has long been installed in the right form. From air defense systems to tanks and infantry fighting vehicles ...
  3. +9
    8 January 2020 06: 42
    The Gypsies are engaged in what they love ... They are building a "configuration" for bargaining ...
  4. +12
    8 January 2020 06: 49
    The Koreans greased the Indians with something and much, the Shell hits with rockets almost three times farther Biho, and costs more by 10-12 percent of everything.
    1. +24
      8 January 2020 07: 20
      Well, they don’t want as they want, we must offer Pakistan
      1. +2
        8 January 2020 08: 08
        Quote: Graz
        Well, they don’t want as they want, we must offer Pakistan

        And spoil relations with India - with our largest military-technical partner, who, moreover, always pays with real money? It's good that you do not work at Rosoboronservis.
        1. +7
          8 January 2020 13: 59
          It's good that you do not work at Rosoboronservis.

          And how they worked before! Dignified, noble. With an individual approach to each client. Hindus love dancing and singing. Therefore, the representative of Oboronservis said to the buyers to the Indians - "I'll sing now." And he kept his promise. Soldered everyone Yes
      2. +2
        8 January 2020 08: 49
        And you know how to market! )))
        1. -5
          8 January 2020 13: 17
          The game is not worth the candle. Fuck this contract when hohlobandera easily so 2,7 billion bucks unfastens our darkest. Why work for free. Question.
      3. +7
        8 January 2020 09: 45
        It is necessary for Iran to offer them, they right now, oh how they will be needed)) to shoot tamahawks)))) after the recent shelling of US bases.
        1. +2
          8 January 2020 17: 27
          Quote: Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich
          Iran must be offered them ...

          Duc, "just that" -so immediately Iran! You can try to arrange a longer gimp! "Whisper" to the Pakistanis that the Indians spoke badly of their mothers ... the Pakistanis will start asking the Indians again ... a scuffle will begin ... during the massacre, it turns out that the "Indo-Korean" K-30 are bad! All! Dance until the morning!
          1. 0
            10 January 2020 23: 10
            )))))))) it would be cool..
      4. +1
        9 January 2020 20: 18
        Well, not to offer, but simply to say that there is good interest on his part. Both engines and air conditioners suit.
  5. +10
    8 January 2020 07: 02
    Xs which option was offered to the Indians, but KamAZ’s chassis is not the best option
    1. +9
      8 January 2020 07: 49
      Quote: Antidote
      KAMAZ chassis is not the best option

      Therefore, there is already enough criticism. But our manufacturers do not see this point blank. Although the caterpillar (as in the photo) would be very not bad. And for the wheeled version - the MZKT has an excellent chassis. The Kamaz chassis is quite suitable only for those Shells that guard stationary objects. So that you can go to the gas station and there is no place to move when the site is sweeping away dust and snow.
      1. +2
        8 January 2020 07: 57
        You can offer integration on the chosen Indians chassis.
        As it was with the Arabs.
      2. +2
        8 January 2020 12: 32
        A tracked chassis will cost at least three times more than a wheeled one.
      3. 0
        8 January 2020 18: 12
        So they are done for this. Mo wanted on a cheap chassis got
        And to knead shit there is Thor Beech, etc.
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      4. +3
        9 January 2020 14: 48
        "And for the wheeled version, the MZKT has an excellent chassis."
        I really do not agree with your proposal! Syabry have been throwing out a trick lately! Maybe they bitten their forelock - I don't know! But we have a wonderful plant: the Bryansk Automobile Plant, which produces excellent chassis and has even passed tests with the Pantsir combat module, but the lobbyists of the "Tatar" carriage pushed through the narrow, extremely loaded, with a high center of gravity (which means - roll) KAMAZ chassis ! Take BAZ and you won't be mistaken, and even Indians will have nothing to say!
        I'll try to take a picture!
        1. 0
          9 January 2020 17: 38
          Base chassis piece and expensive.
          1. +2
            10 January 2020 10: 13
            Grant - the chassis is massive and cheap. laughing There will definitely not be very cheap components for good military equipment, and the BAZ meets the basic requirements for the Pantsir chassis. Otherwise, it will fall like trees in the wind (remember the case in Vladivostok) and firing cannons on the move will be like a penny in the white light!
      5. +4
        9 January 2020 14: 55
        "Carapace" on the BAZ chassa!
        1. +1
          10 January 2020 14: 18
          Agree, the Belarusian is much more elegant and brutal. True, so far only Wasps, Torahs and Beeches are hoisted
          1. +1
            13 January 2020 14: 31
            Sorry, but I do not agree! The taste and color .....
            But the main thing is the Bryansk Automobile Plant is Russian, on the territory of the Russian Federation, and Belarus is a "multi-vector" country - in Russian "Both ours and yours ..."! All things being equal, why take the risk? Therefore, in my opinion, it is necessary to say thank you to KAMAZ for the initial support and focus on the installation of new modifications of the "Pantsir" on the chassis of the Bryansk Automobile Plant!
    2. 0
      8 January 2020 07: 55
      Indian 8x8 Tata.
  6. +6
    8 January 2020 07: 27
    Ironically, missiles for the Korean complex were developed with the participation of Russia
    GOS for them, for example, made in St. Petersburg LOMO
    1. +3
      8 January 2020 07: 47
      Ironically, missiles for the Korean complex were developed with the participation of Russia
      GOS for them, for example, made in St. Petersburg LOMO

      Yes, there are almost all of our developments.
      Here is such a transfer of technology ....
    2. +2
      8 January 2020 07: 56
      This is not that complex.
      1. +1
        9 January 2020 13: 17
        Well, God help you, it’s already been done, mobility is higher than efficiency - this is a strong lobbying move.
  7. +2
    8 January 2020 07: 28
    Actually, if the Indians were initially biased towards our complexes participating in the trials, it would be foolish to wait for an objective approach to us — everything is decided by someone’s personal rejection, and probably a rollback from competitors!
  8. +6
    8 January 2020 07: 47
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    By "mobility" should be understood that the Indians are dissatisfied with the resource and reliability of the propulsion systems of Russian technology. And this is really a problem. in addition, there are complaints about the comfort of the personnel in these missile systems.

    let them buy comfortable mattress underwear. And comfortably click air attacks.
  9. bar
    +3
    8 January 2020 08: 00
    in the Indian market "with its offer leads" South Korea

    South Koreans brought more?
    1. 0
      8 January 2020 13: 20
      Undoubtedly. The experience is huge. Starting from Goldstar. True, Themis is not asleep.
  10. +2
    8 January 2020 08: 21
    India is a peculiar market.
    It is likely that during the tests, people just got hot, Koreans make air conditioners better :)
    And they most likely believe that these systems are redundant on the Pakistani TVD.
  11. 0
    8 January 2020 08: 42
    need to raise the price)
  12. -1
    8 January 2020 09: 21
    I would venture to suggest that the Indians are trying to get from the sellers on what element base are these or those combat systems made. And the answer that they are "made on armored personnel carriers" apparently does not suit them. After all, if something happens, you will have to overpay for spare parts produced in third countries, or even not get them at all? Therefore, the question "why the heck goat button accordion?" in India is incomprehensible.
    Something must be done, comrades / gentlemen ...
  13. +9
    8 January 2020 09: 23
    As the observer recalls, after a series of tests in various territories, including desert lands, “the only system that can qualify for a contract” was the K-30 Biho (Flying Tiger). This system was developed by the South Korean company Hanwha Defense.

    Yes, even from the photo you can see that it is simply LESS than our "Tunguska", and that means it is lighter and more mobile, but how is it with the ability to perform the main task of covering its troops?
    1. +1
      8 January 2020 09: 36
      Perhaps Pakistan will someday give an answer to this question.
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    3. -1
      8 January 2020 16: 04
      Judging by the width of the tracks, a Korean car will stick in the sand, so about mobility this is nonsense, the Indians did not grease, counting on the untwisted brand.
    4. +1
      9 January 2020 13: 18
      Well, God help you, it’s already been done, mobility is higher than efficiency - this is a strong lobbying move.
    5. 0
      12 January 2020 20: 49
      Tuguska has 4 barrels and longer-range missiles with a combined guidance system.
  14. +11
    8 January 2020 09: 30
    The Indian press claims that the Russian “Shell-C1” did not pass mobility tests in desert conditions.

    Sure sure. Yes
    Passed to the UAE, but not to India.
    Where are more deserts? lol
  15. +8
    8 January 2020 09: 33
    Indian procurement discuss .... wasted time to lose.
    There are no meanings!
  16. 0
    8 January 2020 09: 36
    But is Pakistan the same opinion as India about our weapons? The shell has already shown itself more than once, but about Korean weapons, I have not heard how and where it has established itself as a superior shell C, only the Indians probably know .....
    1. 0
      8 January 2020 13: 23
      Koreans will sell to amers for protection. There Iran is already shelving base fenders. And Israel does not share the iron dome with the defenders. Greedy.
  17. +2
    8 January 2020 09: 40
    Well, the Indians in their repertoire .. Again they freeze something?
  18. +2
    8 January 2020 09: 59
    Come on. It’s time to get used to the Indian outbreaks. Everyone is trying to bring down the price and raise kickbacks, do not go to Brahma.
  19. +3
    8 January 2020 10: 15
    Do they buy air defense systems for the Paris-Dakar rally?
  20. +2
    8 January 2020 10: 39
    https://topwar.ru/153366-poligonnoe-gospodstvo-k30-nad-pancirem-s1-fikcija-kotoraja-ne-dolzhna-volnovat-tulskih-oruzhejnikov.html
  21. +4
    8 January 2020 11: 03
    Tunguska is one thing, the Shell is another, and that they didn’t pass, I still don’t understand. request
    Reminds the next Indian dances. Probably our music center forgot to install. lol
    1. -1
      8 January 2020 12: 35
      And the dancing devaki put on the torpedo.
  22. -5
    8 January 2020 11: 06
    We have a lot of objects not covered, and India and I are hoping up ... do we need it? For example, my city is not covered at all by anything ...
    1. +1
      9 January 2020 17: 41
      Well then cover yourself with a white sheet, and slowly crawl towards the cemetery, so as not to create panic ... wink
  23. +4
    8 January 2020 11: 48
    = “Mobility tests turned out to be a significant failure for Russia: they [systems] failed to fulfill the requirements,” the article states. =
    Those. couldn't fly shaving over the desert?
  24. +3
    8 January 2020 12: 40
    In this photo, the Korean system is clearly visible:
  25. -1
    8 January 2020 12: 44
    Sorry of course, but for such statements they should have publicly urinated on the heads of these media because they cannot but know that these machines were developed by order of the Arabs and are delivered to many countries of the African and Asian continents and everything is fine! so it’s time for another Hindu hype to despise such publications to citizens of countries!
  26. +2
    8 January 2020 14: 12
    Knowing the Indians, we can assume that just a suitcase with a hotel from Rosvooruzhenie turned out to be smaller than the Korean
  27. +5
    8 January 2020 14: 16
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    Maybe the engine is warming in the desert, maybe the air conditioning in the cabin does not have a separate drive, maybe something is wrong with air purification

    Those. is it cooler in the UAE and less sand? Oh how ...
  28. +1
    8 January 2020 14: 25
    They deliberately waited for some serious news, like Iran, and immediately after it they put in a shell fiasco, about which the military was not at all enthusiastic, only at. Naturally, people will simply skip this news against the background of the situation in Iraq. Tell me, VO, did you specially wait?
  29. +2
    8 January 2020 15: 54
    The corruption component in the procurement of weapons by India is very high.
  30. +2
    8 January 2020 16: 01
    "The choice of K-30 Biho unpleasantly struck the Russian side ....." now one can be indignant, protest, etc. But the name is the same for everything - "got it done"! fool
  31. +2
    8 January 2020 18: 54
    Hindus are so cunning that they even outwit themselves and make themselves worse .....
  32. +4
    8 January 2020 20: 59
    At the same time, it becomes possible to compare the Korean air defense system with a Russian complex of the same class.
    Cannons
    Both cars have 30 mm automatic guns, however, the Russian "Shell" they are paired, which significantly increases the rate of fire. For a Korean car, this figure is 600 rounds per minute, and for a Russian one - 2 rounds / min. for every couple. True, such a high rate of fire cannot be achieved solely by increasing the number of barrels; the whole thing is in the design of the Russian gun.

    Ammunition also varies. The domestic vehicle carries 1400 shots, while the Korean has only 600. Well, to finally deal with cannon weapons, it’s worth saying that the “Shell” is also ahead in effective firing range: 4 km versus 3 km from the K30 “Biho”

    Missiles
    The missile weapons of the Korean installation are represented by two KP-SAM Shin-Gung anti-aircraft missile units - two in each unit. These missiles were created at the turn of the 2000s as MANPADS, but they were also suitable for armament of an anti-aircraft missile system. The maximum range of destruction of Korean missiles reaches 7 kilometers, but the effective range is only 5. The solid-fuel rocket is equipped with an infrared homing head and carries a warhead weighing 2,5 kg.


    Missile armament of the Russian machine was developed specifically for use on the "Shell". The 57E6E two-stage missile carries a homing radio command head and warhead with rod striking elements. Mass warhead - 20 kilograms. The confident defeat of targets at ranges up to 18 kilometers and at an altitude of up to 15 kilometers leaves the Korean models far behind. It remains only to add that there are 12 such missiles on the Russian machine.

    Electronics
    The Korean ZRPU is equipped with a TPS-830K radar that detects targets at ranges of up to 17 kilometers, an optoelectronic system, a panoramic periscope, a laser range finder, a thermal imaging sight and a digital fire control system. All this should give the Korean installation the ability to quickly respond to threats in the range of weapons.

    "Shell-C1" is armed much richer, and most importantly, the electronic filling of the Russian complex can be changed, adapting to the needs of the customer. With one optoelectronic fire control system, the complex comes out noticeably cheaper. Adding radar increases the capabilities of the "Shell", but increases the cost. At the same time, Russian cars can, if necessary, form a joint digital network, thanks to which cars equipped with various types of radars can exchange data with each other.


    Instead of deducing
    Of course, the Russian ZRPK noticeably exceeds the Korean machine in combat potential. The only thing K30 "Biho" wins is in price. Korean hack more than two times cheaper. But It is worth noting that the machine is fully developed by South Korean experts and is produced by South Korea.
  33. 0
    8 January 2020 21: 15
    On the Z30 K30 Biho mounted two 600-mm guns. The rate of fire of one gun is 300 rounds per minute. Each gun is equipped with XNUMX ready-to-use shells. To combat air targets used HE-FRAG high-explosive incendiary shells.

    The combat vehicle is equipped with a surveillance radar, an optoelectronic tracking system, a laser rangefinder, a thermal imaging sight and a modern high-precision digital fire control system, a friend or foe identification system. Radar detection range is 17-20 km

    The K30 Biho is a 30 mm anti-aircraft self-propelled gun with 600 rounds of ammunition. She is exactly for 1 minute of shooting. Maybe this is enough. But the firing range is in any case artillery.

    "Carapace" equipped with 1400 shells with a rate of fire almost twice as high has twelve missiles. And it is the missiles, combined with cannon armament, that make the "Shell" a real leader. Because just Biho is a fundamentally different weapon. Not to mention the possibility of automatic watch "Pantsir".

    This is not a matter of some kind of desert. Very similar to a donkey loaded with gold, which can take any fortress. Especially Indian. To catch the Korean golden donkey publicly and without noise and dust replace it with a domestic counterpart.
  34. +2
    8 January 2020 22: 02
    The Indian military has "its own head on its shoulders" and "its own pocket is closer to the body." The superiority of domestic (Russian) air defense needs to be shown in Syria ...
  35. +1
    8 January 2020 22: 05
    On a similar caterpillar chassis, India bought a K9 Thunder self-propelled gun from RK, which is used in conjunction with the K10 automatic caterpillar replenishment vehicle (on the same chassis).
    Count how old "Tunguska" is.
    And who will like these pictures:
    - October 19, 2015 Sochi
    - May 03, 2018 Syria city of Baniyas;
    - March 11, 2019 Vladivostok.
    Daylight hours, asphalt highway (RF), hard primer (Syria). Dry road.
  36. +1
    9 January 2020 00: 34
    Quote: Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich
    It is necessary for Iran to offer them, they right now, oh how they will be needed)) to shoot tamahawks)))) after the recent shelling of US bases.

    In addition, a couple of S-400 divisions. That the penguins were not comfortable on Garcia.
  37. +1
    9 January 2020 00: 46
    But can South Korean air defense systems be integrated into a single system with the S-400? After all, all the salt is in it. Without a single system, only plywood airplanes scare away
  38. +2
    9 January 2020 02: 15
    You just have to offer the Shell to Pakistan.
  39. +2
    9 January 2020 03: 49
    It’s strange. Do they need air targets to hit effectively or just ride in the desert with comfort?
  40. 0
    9 January 2020 08: 16
    The gypsies took up their favorite business ... he is such an oriental bazaar
    1. 0
      9 January 2020 19: 31
      Gypsies are among the top seven largest economies in the world.
      Russia is only 12
      1. 0
        10 January 2020 00: 38
        And GNP per capita?
  41. +1
    9 January 2020 13: 16
    Well, God help you, it’s already been done, mobility is higher than efficiency - this is a strong lobbying move.
  42. 0
    9 January 2020 15: 34
    You can buy it yourself, creating a shortage, then resell, excess, reflash the on-board computer is probably not a problem, even if you buy immediately from the Moscow Region, the general general will better understand.
  43. 0
    9 January 2020 17: 34
    Yes, these hollowers bring down the price.
  44. 0
    9 January 2020 19: 20
    What are the bad Indians. They do not want to buy dried Mr. Mammoth. They paid off.
    Actually, this news is already 7 months old. They in May abandoned this happiness
  45. 0
    9 January 2020 20: 29
    Two years ago, India denied Russia the purchase of Shell and Tunguska.
    “Russia wants to again participate in the Indian tender for weapons and missile system”
    Dec 2018.
    https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia-pacific/2018/12/18/russia-wants-back-in-on-indias-gun-and-missile-system-competition/
    “Russia filed a protest over India’s decision to exclude two of its systems from the $ 1,6bn army program, which caused a new tension between the two allies.
    During a meeting of the Indian-Russian intergovernmental commission on military-technical cooperation in New Delhi on Thursday with a visit, Russian Defense Minister General Sergei Shoigu expressed dissatisfaction with the fact that the modernized Tunguska system and the Shell system were excluded from the expected program. A source in the Indian Ministry of Defense confirmed. ”
    It's time to get used to the failures, not a girl ....
    Normal trade and economic decision. You have to earn on something else - to build another gas pipeline, for example.
  46. 0
    9 January 2020 21: 06
    Quote: Dzungar
    Maybe the engine is warming in the desert, maybe the air conditioning in the cabin does not have a separate drive, maybe something is wrong with air purification, it can’t cope
    Maybe ... Maybe ... Maybe .... And what exactly is that ..? Or do you ascribe your fantasies to Indians ..?

    Yes, it fantasizes, because the information in the article under discussion is not concretized and is for discussion and fantasies.
  47. 0
    9 January 2020 21: 38
    Quote: Uncle Sam
    They do not want to buy dried Mr. Mammoth.

    K30 was developed in 1983-1991, they can also buy a mammoth
    In general, it is not clear how these two systems can be compared, they are of different classes.
  48. +3
    9 January 2020 22: 14
    God forgive me. The Korean system won. Ours did not win. Dot. So we need to work on our system.
    Writing angry articles and comments will not help.
    So our system is not good enough. It is only necessary to work further. To make her the best. And let’s go straight from Monday (I’m going out of vacation) and do it however.
    Only "Pantsir" will be taken care of by their professionals, and I will take care of my steamers.
  49. 0
    10 January 2020 13: 27
    Well, they could have ordered the complexes on their own or on what foreign base. There, the shameful state of the UAE - bought the Shell on the basis of MAN trucks. And not complaining. Oh, these Indian dances ...
  50. 0
    10 January 2020 16: 31
    There would be a Yenisei with a 37m cannon, but alas, Shilka went into the series.