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About victories under the bell ringing

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To begin with, I directly consider it necessary to say a few words to ... no, not readers. Writers. Those who have never bothered to read our articles, for they come here not for that. And he comes for writing His Personal Opinion, the size of an airship.


Here I agree, it is enough to read the headline, a brief description and brush up on the paragraphs. And that’s it, you can begin to express. “The author did not open the topic”, “What the author offers”, “The State Department pays the author” and so on.

We will leave aside the crap about the State Department, for an intelligent person understands that for the money that the aforementioned State Department pays as part of its demon-bearing programs, they write here and there. Let the rest consider how they like best. We generally like to consider in someone else’s pocket, in fact, a national sport.

"The author did not open the topic." A more serious statement requiring translation. Since any author thinks when he writes, then the editor (often not one) reads it, as if the question of understandability should not be raised. So often behind these words lies only an admission that the reader simply could not master the text.

That is, the author did not open the reader’s brain and did not put information ready for assimilation there.

It's a shame, but we do not have Channel One, after all. Everything is simple and understandable there, but for us people who think and understand the portal. At least that's what I wanted from the beginning.

And from here the third point. "What the author offers."

Yes, no author offers you anything. It is not his duty to offer. The author is not a member of the government, not a State Duma deputy, not a president. He just expresses a thought. Illuminates a problem. Tries, at least.

Of course, the entire policy of state degradation of the population is aimed precisely at such a unicellular perception, when the topic is cooked, chewed, put in the mouth (okay, in the head) as much as possible, so that only the swallowing reflex is left to connect.

And that’s it, and here’s 76% for you, everything that follows them, here’s a bright future looming.

But the author, any author, he is not obliged to replace you the president, the government, your deputy (whom you often don’t even know) and your brain.

The real author’s job is to make you think. Multicellular. Not in the yes-no categories, which is exactly what is needed by those above. And the categories "why not, but so?"

Therefore, the Writer, who each time asks the question “What does the author suggest,” is just a person who signs his powerlessness to understand the problem. Which is so weak that for him someone should decide ALL or almost everything.

By the way, a very convenient position. “Everyone decided for me there that I’ll go to the polls / rally / petition” and so on ad infinitum. I don’t rock the boat, I don’t dance to someone’s tune, I don’t listen to anyone except ... blowing, for example.

Hello, such a sweet and dear stagnant swamp!

But, again, this is a democratic and free choice for everyone. The authors have absolutely nothing to do with it.

But with those who are not just “Uryakva!” From the swamp, we’ll talk and think. Aloud. With those whose "SchA we them!" Does not yet dominate the brain. Because really, this “SchA”, together with the incomprehensible “We”, in matters of smashing it from the sofa, “Their” does not look very serious.

Come on.

Let us set aside our dear and charming zomboyaschik and with it some of the authors, who every day is the next breakthrough. If you go too far with them in terms of information consumption, then you can really believe that in our country as a whole, and in the army and military-industrial complex in particular, everything is simply excellent. And superstition is very harmful to the brain.

Have you noticed such an interesting thing: the more “secret” the fuck is, the more you believe in it?

So the Su-57 was disassembled by bones, and until the true fifth-generation engine and radar with AFAR are born in the bowels of the military-industrial complex, everyone understands that this is not so much a fifth-generation fighter of the Su-57, but still a T-50, an experimental prototype.

And hysteria in the Su-57 was instantly replaced by total hysteria about the MiG-25. Until now, they won’t calm down, either they will admire in Japan, then in Papua, then in Namibia ... And they tell us with a serious look how another expert transported a plane taken out of service 7 years ago to heaven.

But let us return to the principle itself, when the less you know, the more you believe that, so to speak, “experts”. You don’t need to go far for an example, the laser miracle-judo “Relight”, which stood up for the defense and defense of our borders. Everything is secret to impossibility, directly, a living military secret on the tracks. Or even two, because it is unclear: “stepped in”, you can understand how, in a single copy, this “Relight” lights up somewhere somewhere.

But it’s useless to explain this to modern hamsters, they said on the box that overstepping means that it is. And tomorrow the whole world will shudder from our battle lasers and other nonsense that the world has been trying to scare recently.

What scare ... not entirely clear. While we are spinning scary cartoons around the world about our Poseidons and Vanguards or whatever the name of the atomic bomb is, the same Ukrainians calmly sued and joyfully recount $ 3 billion. And they are also trying to take away the Massandra from us. Thank God, not the wineries themselves, but only the names. But at such a pace they will be able to. Banned us by the international court to use the name "Soviet champagne"? Forbidden.

But that’s okay, that’s the little things.

And the big troubles are that today, and even in the conditions of impending total censorship of all the processes taking place in the army, we will not be able to figure out soon what we are fed in terms of information!

Those who learn about everything only from the means of propaganda are not even able to understand how deceived they are and how. Although, in fairness, they do not need it. They thought over everything for them and fed the information packages.

But even with objective evaluation criteria, properly understanding what is happening today in the military-industrial complex is very difficult. And all we can do is just understand that if the engine and AFAR for the Su-57 are still not ready, then something is wrong there.

I am often reproached for excessive pessimism, but forgive me, where do I get optimism from, if the only reason for it is that not all of the Soviet legacy has been repudiated? That’s the whole reason. And this is very to say the least.

When the next hysteria begins today in the engaged media about what the next slander project will look like, from which the whole world will shudder, alas, one can only watch how, like a virus, the next “mongrel” spreads through information networks.

A century of rewrite, and there's nothing to be done.

But when each iron and each electric kettle starts broadcasting with a smart look that a nuclear carrier (and preferably two) is our future, you yourself begin to boil. Involuntarily. Watching as we (glory I don’t know to whom) launch small things up to 2 tons with a displacement. And you understand that a corvette and a pair of RTOs are much better than nothing at all.

Pessimism ... But where does optimism come from, if the truly terrifying corruption, irresponsibility and impunity are more and more manifested in our reality every day?

What can our defense industry do today? Nothing special. But it can easily absorb a lot of money in projects. Covering it all with just the most insolent fraud and window dressing.

Examples? Val.

1. "Armata" and everything else, "Kurgan" and so on. It’s hard to say how much money went into development, because everything is scary secret. At the exit - T-72 and T-90 (at best).

2. PAK FA. Well twisted, 12 aircraft ordered. Everything, zilch.

3. PACK YES. It is impossible to say how much money the Tupolev Design Bureau "mastered"; it took Putin to shout: "Enough!", They began to upgrade the Tu-160.

4. Large-tonnage ships. Aircraft carriers, destroyers, frigates. It stood, stands and will apparently stand.

5. 2С35 “Coalition of the NE”. How much noise, how much ora ... The result? The result is 12 pieces. That is, 12 Armat and the same number of Coalitions are being released for the parade. Everything, no longer needed, "Msta-B" is a completely modern gun.

6. Transport aviation... and so on on the list.

I don’t even want to talk about the space sphere already. Although not so long ago I said about how our ships do not plow anything. But Rogozin has no problems, except to rename the next projection of the spacecraft once again. Which will not fly anywhere, but PR is more important. The whole country was given a name, the whole country was renamed.

By the way, Mr. Rogozin would like to say thank you for once. At the competition, this squalor, according to compatriots, was worthy of the name "Gagarin". Canceled, thank God, called the "Federation". Then they renamed it “Eagle”, and that’s all. Good

But how much drivuha ...

In general, our defense industry is such a "black hole" where money can be poured into AvtoVAZ. The output will still be Priora. Or T-50. Or T-14. It does not matter. The process is important.

But about the process, by the way.

About frames a few words. “Uryakva”, probably, will write their comments from the orbit of Jupiter, but here it’s difficult to object to something reasonable. With shots we have it, white and fluffy.

Engineers are trained little and mediocre. Nobody wants to go to the military-industrial complex enterprises (I personally know such people), because you will receive at the level of a cleaning lady in Pyaterochka, and they will demand the full program.

And it turns out that everything is bad with the engineers, but not with the fools. Fools less and less, and this is a twofold problem. Which are very smart, go anywhere, but not on frankly miserable patches, which are more patriotic - they go, but ...

I will cite as an example those enterprises that I clearly know about from my city. Everywhere there is optimization, that is, pre-retirement cadres of the still Soviet system are being expelled. Not needed. But this system does not motivate young people to go to these enterprises at all, because today they have optimized the “scoops”, tomorrow they will optimize you.

And vice versa, on the same VASO to hold on to old cadres, because young people just don’t go for such pennies. Because once a cool plant looks like a doghouse from the inside. But at the very least, he is still coping with work.

Well, about motivation, I wrote more than once in recent years. When an “effective advertising manager” gets like 4 engineers, this is nonsense. But this was the place to be everywhere.

Let's be honest: when they worked for the honor of the country, the Soviet system was killed in the bud. Today, all these patriovopli look just ridiculous, especially in the performance of government officials, whose kind and sweet faces do not fit on every screen.

The only incentive provided for to work well within our capitalist system is money. Everything else doesn’t give a damn to everyone, because yes, pride in the country is wonderful, but you can’t steam and eat it as a “Doshirak” in case of need.

As today we distribute salaries, it’s not worth talking at all. At the top of the food chain are the “effective” ones, for whom the president himself is worried that he will run away. And below ...

And below, often everyone does not care. Everyone is well aware at any enterprise how much gentlemen and directors put themselves. Because no one is tense and does not want to. Especially engineering.

Oh yes, with the help of administrative coercion, you can make people carry weights, tighten nuts, hammer in nails, I agree, this is so. But only a trained person can work his head at his own request.

It’s a paradox, but it’s precisely those pre-pensioners who have recently been thrown five years from the bounty of the president — they are the main hope and support of the military-industrial complex. Because they are smart and able. They are able to do immeasurably more than all these victims of the Unified State Exam, who are dangerous to give a hammer to their hands, not to admit to the culmination.

By the way, yes, about Kuhlmann.

Amazingly, our defense industry still lives on the groundwork created in the USSR. In fact, ALL of the development of all this "unparalleled in the world" comes from there, from the 80s of the last century.

But nothing, given the pace today is the desovetization of everything, including science, soon everything will be just fine. As Gref said there, a lot of unnecessary junk is stuffed into the head? I agree. You can do without much that was given in Soviet institutes. You can live without brains at all, and nothing. In Rada and in the State Duma they live the same. And work fruitfully.

It is very difficult to assess the current level of Russian science, but I’m sure everything is not very beautiful there either. As an everywhere. But there is such a nuance: science will end, and the military-industrial complex will end. More precisely, the factories will remain, there will be no sense from them ... Well, again, conversion pans will be made. Compete with China.

Yes, by the way, here is China turned up. And with it the topic of the so-called “import substitution”.

Yes, just some 30 years ago, everything military in the country could be made entirely from domestic components and materials, using domestic equipment.

Now domestic equipment is practically not manufactured, and a fair amount of components (especially electronic) is of foreign origin. Moreover, the real range of domestic components and materials is constantly decreasing.

Instead, “Russian” crafts appear, made by simply re-gluing labels from Chinese to Russian. Actually, this is the "import substitution." Well, plus they steal something there through the efforts of our scouts. But if intelligence used to get drawings and technologies, now they are dragging microcircuits that we don’t have and will no longer have.

But in the media and on TV, the praises of our "successes" in the military-industrial complex are singing in unison.

Although it is very conditionally possible to count production and modernization of Soviet models of equipment as achievement, seriously. Nevertheless, “experts” with a serious look carry complete nonsense about the possibilities of often non-existent models of equipment.

The policy of the Ministry of Defense and the military-industrial complex as a whole is based on promises of what will happen in 2030 ... To check, in general, is unrealistic, but it looks quite trendy today. Like the war and the destruction of America with the help of supposedly existing "Poseidons."

Frankly, all this cartoonish delirium is furious today. Worse than advertising in a television box, because there at least something existing is being advertised, but here is a solid victorious “tomorrow”. Which is not clear when, but comes. Because they said so on TV and phoned on the Internet.

Meanwhile, our present country and our modern military-industrial complex do not (and will hardly have) the possibility of implementing fantastic projects such as "Storm", "Leader", "Poseidon" and other cartoon characters, as there will not be the above resources for their implementation.

Whoever believes is what they say, let him believe.

And in the end, I’ll answer to those who could not fully understand the text. The answer to the question “What does the author offer?” I suggest that you begin by cleansing your own brains, which you will have to think something in 2023. This is for those who like to think. And the rest of January-February 2024 is enough for the eyes.

Today, even in two months you can make a mess of the entire information space in such a way that no one with a weak thought will have questions about who will lead us to “win” further.
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  1. AllBiBek
    AllBiBek 8 January 2020 05: 06
    -59
    Fi, how primitive. It is written according to the script of any exposed material, which is full of everything, for example, YouTube, that on the topic of a flat Earth, that on the topic of nuclear war in the 19th century, that on the topic "Chef! Everything is lost!" in any area whatsoever. Facts pulled out of context on a given topic, a bit of conjecture, presented as facts. And the script itself: "Such and such garbage, such and such garbage, all these garbage are pissing in the face, but you are not like everyone else, think about it ...".

    Ugh.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 8 January 2020 06: 54
      +39
      And what does the script have to do with it? Neither done, nor time ahead, do not show real affairs. Then tell me how all is well,
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 8 January 2020 08: 04
        +72
        Well that's right. The main thing is that in the country, in fact, there is no motivation to "defend" something and "fight" for something there. Young people, even according to polls, for the most part do not see prospects for themselves in Russia and strive to get out of the country, well, they do not want to "shift method" in the mines of the "great raw material power" or go to "Pyaterochka-Magnets" or security guards and "Russian Guard". And since young people want to go to the "West", where it is objectively better for them than in "Russia that has risen from its knees", then these young people sincerely do not understand, but what should we "protect" in Russia? To be afraid that NATA will come and set even more miserable salaries in Russia than they are now?

        After all, people travel around the world now and see with their own eyes how life is in the "West" - yes, it is not easy, because nowhere is anything easy, but in the "West" it is the brains, the ability to think and, thanks to this, to make money, are valued only personal loyalty and sycophancy. In the "west" you can achieve success "from the street" and climb the career ladder to the very top, but in Russia this is impossible with the existing family-clan management system. What kind of "patriotism" can there be in this state of affairs? Who can an ordinary Russian person hope for in terms of his future? On these ?:

        It is not clear that there are some who are quite satisfied with the state of affairs - those who successfully "got into the stream", fell to the "state tree trough", "in time" made their way up the career ladder, etc. they are dependent on the existing regime and will hold on to it with all their might , because they understand that others will come to power and their skiff, therefore they will "drown" for this regime, with all their might. And then, of course, "enemies all around", yeah:
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 8 January 2020 09: 02
          +32
          And then, of course, "enemies all around", yeah
          ... Pepsi-cola, for example, Coca, Ford factories, etc., although, oh yes everything that is produced in Russia is already Russian laughing Protect the capital of foreign investors ... laughing
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 8 January 2020 11: 19
            +29
            Quote: parusnik
            Protect the capital of foreign investors ...

            from foreign conquerors laughing
            1. parusnik
              parusnik 8 January 2020 13: 47
              +13
              from foreign conquerors ... Naturally, from whom else ... laughing
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 8 January 2020 14: 27
                +24
                Colleagues, hello! hi
                from foreign conquerors

                Obviously, previously common forests, fields and reservoirs, new "untouchable" (whose name cannot be mentioned on the Internet in a negative light, and whose face can only be published with a halo over his head), is fenced off from them with a thorn in the center of Russia.
        2. AndreyS
          AndreyS 8 January 2020 09: 35
          -14
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          Afraid that NATA will come and establish even more miserable salaries in Russia than there are now?

          And you dear think that "... NATA ..."now absent in Russia? Blessed is he who believes) How did this come"... NATA ..."I never left the country in the 90s, I also taught our home-grown bourgeois how to do it right. What are you trying to achieve with your pictures? Social justice? So there is no more crimson jackets in the country since those same years, and there won't be never again, because it is not profitable for those who keep their money in their hands.So respected Monster_Fat (Yes, what a difference) futurama lover are useless Your pictures are Americanized ...
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 8 January 2020 11: 32
            +54
            Quote: AndreyS
            Your pictures are Americanized ....

            how then is the Russian government, thanks to the work of which (Rosstat and the World Bank), real GDP per capita in Russia has grown by less than 2008% since 4,5, investment in fixed assets has grown by only less than 1%, the ratio of pension to salary is approximately 32%, while in other countries 55-100%, and on average about 65%. Outside the million-plus cities, there are no jobs for the elderly or the young. If you can find a job there, then not for 40-50, but for a maximum of 15-20 thousand rubles a month.
            If we look at the data of the Federal State Statistics Service, it turns out that today 40 percent of the country's citizens have incomes below 20 thousand rubles a month, that is, less than 10 dollars a day. This is a standard of living like in Zimbabwe, Mozambique, somewhere in Equatorial Guinea. That is, we have 60 million people living as Africans somewhere south of the Sahara.
            62 percent of Russians have no savings at all, they live from paycheck to paycheck, from retirement to retirement, not having the opportunity to postpone for a rainy day
            26 percent of all children (every fourth child in Russia) live in poor families, where members' incomes are below the subsistence level. So, every fourth child in Russia is a beggar. In rural areas, 46 percent. If we are talking about large families with more than three children, there are 52 percent of them.
            Maybe there is nothing to blame for the mirror, if the erysipelas curve? And it’s not the Americans, but the native government laughing
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 8 January 2020 14: 37
              +19
              Maybe there is nothing to blame for the mirror, if the erysipelas curve? And it’s not the Americans, but the native government

              "These" are not reflected in the mirror ... And if suddenly, they are unlikely to fit.
            2. uu1
              uu1 8 January 2020 15: 13
              0
              Quote: Silvestr
              real GDP per capita in Russia since 2008 has grown by less than 4,5%,

              GDP is PRODUCT PRODUCTION. Those. the population of the Russian Federation began to work BETTER.
              However, the GDP indicator does not show the CONSUMPTION of this product. Those. where this product THEN flows and WHERE is consumed.
              In fact, only about 15,5% of the country's product is consumed in Russia. The rest of the product is exported and consumed in OTHER countries.
              These are not necessarily Western countries. They themselves are basically ALL recipients (payers), except for the USA, Japan and Taiwan.
              The world is full of loser countries. And there live lards of the rebels. These lardas the whole world contains at its own expense. This is a huge amount of money.
              Previously, part of these backsliders were kept by the USSR, calling them "the countries of the socialist camp." But now everything is on the shoulders of international organizations. Who receive loot from all over the world through various channels.
              Separately, it should be noted that 15,5% is robbery. More or less normal for all countries of the world (except for the USA, which are always in the black), a figure of approximately 50% is considered. However, even China consumes 47,2%. And Germany 47,0%.
              Although China is milked by others, Germany, SAMA, is feeding Central Europe for its own reasons.
              1. Mcar
                Mcar 8 January 2020 15: 57
                +6
                Quote: uu1
                GDP is PRODUCT PRODUCTION. Those. the population of the Russian Federation began to work BETTER.

                For GDP, it makes no difference what works - a factory or a brothel.

                The "development" of prostitutes has become BETTER. Fuck how it improved the lives of Russians.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 8 January 2020 16: 49
                  -16
                  Brothels are part of the shadow economy of Russia nor do they pay any taxes, respectively, nor do they make any contribution to GDP growth, since no one takes them into account in the country of these and other shadow ones with a turnover of 20 or more trillion rubles a year.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 8 January 2020 21: 08
                    +8
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    Brothels are part of the shadow economy of Russia nor do they pay any taxes, respectively, nor do they bear any contribution to GDP growth

                    All Vadik, both confused and senior citizens pay VAT. wink
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 8 January 2020 21: 15
                      -9
                      And they return the VAT to me - and why are pensioners and whores paying it? Those who are engaged in production pay the VAT.
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 8 January 2020 21: 18
                        +9
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        and why are pensioners and whores VAT pay it is paid by those who are engaged in production.

                        You are Vadik, and it is true that neither boom-boom in economics, but you are also an entrepreneur. fool VAT is returned to all but the final consumer of the product. It is the end consumer who pays full VAT. And even a child buying a lollipop pays 20% to the state.
                      2. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 9 January 2020 21: 42
                        -4
                        VAT is a form of withdrawal to the state budget of a part of the cost of a product, work or service, which is created at all stages of the production process of goods, work and services and is paid to the budget as it is sold.
                        As a result of the application of VAT, the final consumer of the goods, work or service pays the seller a tax on the whole value of the goods purchased by him, however, this amount begins to come to the budget earlier than the final sale, since the tax on its part of the value “added” to the cost of the purchased raw materials, works and (or) the services necessary for production are paid to the budget by everyone who is involved in the production of goods, work or services at various stages. Whores from their business do not pay any VAT, pensioners from pensions are the same, but they pay it when they use third-party services or when purchasing goods - manufacturers.
                      3. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 9 January 2020 22: 30
                        +6
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        Whores from their business do not pay any VAT, pensioners from pensions are the same,

                        Don’t be stupid, Vadik, I already wrote to you that even a child, when buying a chups, pays VAT. Pensioners and whores, like ALL the same, pay it, buying absolutely any thing in the store, and paying for utilities. You wrote it yourself above -
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        As a result of the application of VAT, the final consumer of the goods, work or service pays the seller a tax on the entire value of the goods acquired

                        Climb into YouTube Vadik, it is full of accounting spots where they chew on the VAT structure.
                      4. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 11 January 2020 22: 44
                        -3
                        I don’t need your YouTube accounting videos.
                      5. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 12 January 2020 10: 26
                        +3
                        Did not live brains, nothing to start? wink
            3. Vadim237
              Vadim237 8 January 2020 16: 41
              -24
              And what is it you are real GDP per capita in dollars - in Russia all prices and services in rubles, in Zimbabwe and Mozambique their currencies and price tags are appropriate. "That is, we have 60 million people live like Africans somewhere south of the Sahara." You have ever been there at least once seen how they live there below the Sahara - take an interest, our poverty will seem like paradise to them. About 62 people have no savings, just like every fourth child living in a poor family.
              1. nedgen
                nedgen 11 January 2020 22: 56
                +1
                Well, Vadim, about the fact that people in Africa live worse than the poor in Russia, in general you are right, but as always incomplete. As stated in Zimbabwe, Chad, etc. live in an average of less than 10 greens per day, and this is also the average temperature in the hospital. laughing So really THEIR poor people are much poorer than the Russian ones, but often THEIR rich people are in fact not higher than the usual average class, and they also do not have a Russian winter. They just have the same scale. But their really rich people is a different story. But your words about children are simply very well described by the saying "Situated never to believe the hungry." So you, too, are acting as well-fed. hi
              2. Efreytor
                Efreytor 13 January 2020 15: 19
                -1
                In 2019, Malaysia surpassed Russia in terms of GDP, both in absolute terms and in terms of purchasing power. We are moving in the right direction .... Is it not?
            4. AndreyS
              AndreyS 8 January 2020 20: 08
              -1
              Quote: Silvestr
              Maybe there is nothing to blame for the mirror, if the erysipelas curve? And it’s not the Americans, but the native government

              And about whom I spoke dear Silvestr (Sylvester) really about the Americans? Although about them dear to you. So I wonder who in the 90s bought an oil-bearing dredge? And now I wonder where they are present? And you have all our government (and ours?) Is to blame.)))))
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 8 January 2020 23: 11
                +8
                Quote: AndreyS
                So I wonder who in the 90s bought an oil-bearing dredge? And now I wonder where they are present?

                If you are about our country, then along with your question in a bunch there is a second question - who was selling? It is easier to answer, since sellers do not slam off the box, are awarded orders of the Russian Federation and are patronized by the president
                1. AndreyS
                  AndreyS 9 January 2020 21: 49
                  +3
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  If you are about our country, then along with your question in a bunch there is a second question - who was selling?

                  Well, this is not a question! Sold by those who are now in the oligarchs, and some others who rest in the damp land. Don't you know that? And who were they then? Yes, all the same Russian government was, and sold right and left, along with "slaves".
                  All the same "respected" people traded, who lost their capital in the 90s, all respected businessmen - Chubais, Gaidar, Potanin, Nemtsov, Kirienko, Gref and others like them ...
                  Please tell me, what are you respected then did not resent? Probably there was no time, they got their daily bread, because it was hungry ... or was it taken away from the poor fellow citizens as fraternity?
                  Just do not need me to tell you when it was better in Russia, please, for my life I’ve seen enough of everyone and everything.
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  It is easier to answer, since sellers do not slam off the box, are awarded orders of the Russian Federation and are patronized by the president

                  And then what? Half of the State Duma in the 90s went in crimson jackets, like most local deputies. After the 90s, loot rules everything and everywhere and will rule, because then CAPITALISM came and he would not back down. And I personally don’t see much difference in changing faces on the TV screen. And all these calls for social justice are continuous populism and noodles on the ears of believers in a better future.
                  Want something better? Start with yourself and your children. If you don’t want to take bribes, don’t give (especially to the judges), don’t carry gifts to promote your business, follow all laws (cross the street only at the crossing, do not exceed the speed by not a kilometer, etc., etc.) . Maybe after 50 years we will get social justice. And so all these your speeches against, pure blah, blah, blah. Because the majority wants them to break the laws and they have nothing for it, and to them that would only be fair ...
                  It is disgusting and disgusting to read here (already unfortunately) many comments from their hypocrisy, arrogance and hypocrisy, especially when (the same unfortunately) you understand where the legs grow and whose ears are sticking out. Good luck in the fight against the "regime" dear Silvestr (Sylvester). The main thing is that it would not be as always ... "... what we fought for and ran into ...". We have already experienced one thing, but will we survive the second? Although this is a rhetorical question.
            5. Den717
              Den717 10 January 2020 07: 56
              0
              Quote: Silvestr
              the ratio of pension to salary is approximately 32%, while in other countries it is 55-100%, and on average about 65%.

              Somehow very primitive reasoning. For the sake of truthfulness, you would additionally show how and by whom these pensions add up.
              Quote: Silvestr
              Outside the million-plus cities, there are no jobs for the elderly or the young. If you can find a job there, then not for 40-50, but for a maximum of 15-20 thousand rubles a month.

              In Siberia, there are many places in which a working grid with a minimum qualification has salaries above 25 rubles. And there is a shortage of labor. This means that the matter is not always in governments, but also in the fact that parts of the capable and capable of laziness ass tear from a familiar place.
              Quote: Silvestr
              62 percent of Russians have no savings at all, they live from paycheck to paycheck, from retirement to retirement, not having the opportunity to postpone for a rainy day

              This is just your opinion. Many do not postpone, because they do not consider it necessary in the hope of a state pension. Someone does not think about it at all. Yes, the term "savings" itself is understood by many in different ways. Some consider 50 thousand as savings, others more than a million. Some people consider savings as sums with the aim of living on them in retirement, others - for the purchase of large household items. In general, the idea that the government will bring you "everything" and put it in its beak is quite pernicious. Accustomed to this way of life, after reading the article, they really want to escape to the "rich" West. And it turns out that there is also a high standard of living for those who are able to actively "row with their paws", and not sit like a leech on their butts.
          2. Mcar
            Mcar 8 January 2020 11: 42
            +31
            Quote: AndreyS
            What do you achieve with your pictures? Social justice? So there is no more of it in the country since those very years of raspberry-colored jackets, and it will never happen again, because it is not profitable for those who keep their loot in their hands.

            So yes, at least we are trying to achieve social justice. This is bad?

            That she is not, we ourselves see, therefore we grumble. But that "will never happen again" - the grandmother said in two. Namely - either the end of civilization, which will arrange capitalism for the entire planet, or the prosperity of civilization, through socialism / communism, where this very social justice will be one of the main principles of the existence of both man and society.

            For? Hm. Really, these very little little hands that keep the loot do not realize that their angry proletariat can even tear it to the very neck? It has already been so, but repeating, taking into account mistakes, is much easier than pioneering. Another question is that while Ilya Muromets is sleeping a bad dream. But the ruling class persistently wakes him, in search of adventure for his only dignity.
            1. uu1
              uu1 8 January 2020 15: 47
              -26
              Quote: McAr
              So yes, at least we are trying to achieve social justice. This is bad?

              Suggest what will you achieve?
              Quote: McAr
              or the end of civilization that capitalism suits the whole planet,

              M-yes.
              Quote: McAr
              or the prosperity of civilization, through socialism / communism,

              We have already seen such "prosperity" once. Quite recently, 30 years have not passed yet.
              A lot of extra time appeared on the Internet to sit?
              Want to stand in line for a couple of hours in blue chickens? For those who then, before cooking, had to be washed with potassium permanganate, otherwise they could not be eaten.
              Is this "prosperity" you want?
              Who needs it, besides a head-hit, is it necessary?
              Quote: McAr
              But the ruling class persistently wakes him,

              The class theory of the nerd of Marx, this is nonsense of a madman.
              1. Mcar
                Mcar 8 January 2020 16: 13
                +25
                Quote: uu1
                Suggest what will you achieve?

                Really updated training manual?

                Quote: uu1
                Hmmm

                I’m not a snitch, but if you call me man_oy again, I’ll complain. You are in society, not in the barn.

                Quote: uu1
                Want to stand in line for a couple of hours in blue chickens? For those who then, before cooking, had to be washed with potassium permanganate, otherwise they could not be eaten.

                1. And why the cretins of technology of the 12th century do not extend to the 21st? You would have dragged laundry from the 70s to the 2k20s, but you would have scared everyone.
                2. Those blue hens were a hundred times more useful than the current ones. Century-old theme - chicken broth for a patient. So, from the broth from the current NOT blue chickens - the patient will die.
                3. Millions in the Russian Federation do not dream of any chickens. Delicacy. It is too expensive. But at Soviet prices, not two, but four hours would have stood.

                Quote: uu1
                The class theory of the nerd of Marx, this is nonsense of a madman.

                Classification of everything and everything is the essence of natural science. But the wise guys are not up to it, they are not readers - they are writers.
                1. uu1
                  uu1 8 January 2020 16: 24
                  -30
                  Quote: McAr
                  Quote: uu1
                  Hmmm

                  I’m not a snitch, but if you call me man_oy again, I’ll complain. You are in society, not in the barn.

                  Russian is not your native language? Or did you learn a little vocabulary on the street?
                  Quote: McAr
                  You would have dragged laundry from the 70s to the 2k20s, but you would have scared everyone.

                  As for washing clothes, remind you of Soviet washing machines? These are not automatic machines from the "decaying West".
                  Quote: McAr
                  Those blue hens were a hundred times more useful than the current ones.

                  Of course, more useful. Everything half-rotten and made from substitutes and ersatz (namely, this was sold in ordinary stores (not in special distributors) is very healthy.
                  Quote: McAr
                  from the broth from the current NOT blue chickens - the patient will die.

                  In your imagination, maybe it will die. But in real life they drink it well and recover.
                  Quote: McAr
                  Millions in the Russian Federation do not dream of any chickens. Delicacy. It is too expensive.

                  Do not make up. In the hungry 90s, the United States saved all of Russia from hunger with its chicken legs. And now they are inexpensive.
                  But in the USSR, food (except for the products of the minimum basket) was simply crazy money. Because it was considered LUXURY.
                2. 16329
                  16329 8 January 2020 17: 38
                  -14
                  And who doesn’t have enough chicken in Russia, probably those who have scored all the yards with new middle-class clunkers, or those who are building new houses in the suburbs, or those who have bought apartments in new houses, or these are just “oligarchs and Chinushi”, and people are starving
                  1. Mcar
                    Mcar 8 January 2020 17: 55
                    +20
                    Quote: 16329
                    And who in Russia lacks chicken

                    People.

                    Pension 12 TR We take away 7 for housing and communal services. The rest is for everything you cannot deny yourself. Not like chicken, potatoes become a delicacy.

                    You apply - I will teach life. Who if not me?
                    1. 16329
                      16329 8 January 2020 18: 35
                      -15
                      A life teacher, of course, you will not envy the person from your example, however, judging by the housing and communal services, this person’s apartment is decent, privatized?
                      1. Mcar
                        Mcar 8 January 2020 19: 32
                        +13
                        Quote: 16329
                        A life teacher, of course, you will not envy the person from your example, however, judging by the housing and communal services, this person’s apartment is decent, privatized?

                        To the man ?! Yes, tens of millions live like that. Here is another bit of information to your advantage.

                        Of course, decent. Already a whole Brezhnevka, not like the current studio - bird envy.

                        A question with an eye on the fact that you can sell it and feel like a person? Why don’t you ask about the kidneys - they are definitely privatized.
                      2. 16329
                        16329 8 January 2020 19: 39
                        -19
                        An apartment is a property, if it is expensive for a person to pay for it, then if it is impossible to obtain additional funds; you can think about that; to exchange it for cheaper housing
                        So, in any case, consider the social services of European countries
                        It’s just that in our country people often having dachas and apartments in their property complain about low social benefits.
                        As for the kidneys, I consider the comparison inappropriate, including because I myself have certain health problems
                      3. uu1
                        uu1 8 January 2020 19: 57
                        -20
                        Quote: 16329
                        An apartment is a property, if it is expensive for a person to pay for it, then if it is impossible to obtain additional funds; you can think about that; to exchange it for cheaper housing
                        So, in any case, consider the social services of European countries
                        It’s just that in our country people often having dachas and apartments in their property complain about low social benefits.

                        Gold words.
                        Having received real estate as a gift from the "bad liberal government" (which they rented from the state in the USSR), the Soviets for some reason cling to it with their teeth. He will not pay a communal apartment, but he will not part with a three-four-room apartment in the center for anything. And with the dacha, too.
                        Because they can't live without a summer residence. And the studio for such (totally beggars according to their assurances) is "bird's envy". Those. out of order.
                        Well, you do not like the studio, buy 2E (studio plus bedroom). Or 1 room an apartment. What for you, one, a large apartment, and even in the center?
                        And even about moving to another, less expensive region, I am completely silent. This is generally a taboo topic. Trampled by "totally beggars".
                      4. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 8 January 2020 21: 25
                        -16
                        Yes, everywhere there are "total beggars", even in the Volgograd region, every year there are more and more premium class cars, and apartments in new buildings are being bought up everywhere from this year, they will buy up even more, as interest rates on mortgages will be lowered.
                      5. New Year day
                        New Year day 8 January 2020 23: 15
                        +11
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        Yes, there are "total beggars" everywhere, even in the Volgograd region, every year there are more and more premium cars


                        Do you recall the credit debt of citizens of the Russian Federation?
                      6. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 9 January 2020 21: 43
                        -3
                        I know him,
                        so thanks
                    2. timokhin-aa
                      timokhin-aa 12 January 2020 22: 12
                      0
                      7000 in Zamkadye is a three-ruble note.
              2. victor50
                victor50 8 January 2020 19: 27
                +15
                Quote: uu1
                Want to stand in line for a couple of hours in blue chickens? For those who then, before cooking, had to be washed with potassium permanganate, otherwise they could not be eaten.
                Is this "prosperity" you want?
                Who needs it, besides a head-hit, is it necessary?

                Would you tell us how we’ve blossomed now? Thriving? But .. The genius seems - Marx called a nerd. The sergeant in the army spoke about one gyrus from head to priest. If guided by it - then the happiness of taperich! Not everyone, however, alas. And something else filthy about the USSR can? Besides the blue chickens? What self-conceit and level of intelligent activity is to tell how badly the people in the USSR lived, of whom there are more than half of it!
                1. uu1
                  uu1 8 January 2020 19: 51
                  -31
                  Quote: victor50
                  Would you tell us how we’ve blossomed now? Thriving?

                  Regarding life in the USSR?
                  And what, don't you yourself look around and see? Little by little, but the garbage USSR recedes and disappears. Of course, many people still have ruin in their heads. And from this all the troubles. But the "destroyed" are dying out for physiological reasons. And they are being replaced by quite normal young people.
                  Quote: victor50
                  Marx called a nerd.

                  Used to call a spade a spade.
                  Quote: victor50
                  The sergeant in the army spoke

                  Ahhhh. Well, then it’s clear why Marx is your authority.
                  1. victor50
                    victor50 8 January 2020 21: 59
                    +17
                    Quote: uu1
                    Ahhhh. Well, then it’s clear why Marx is your authority.

                    Well, certainly not you and your kind with this one, the only one. Yes, victims of the exam, like you, will not die out soon. Of course, they did not serve in the army. Bored with you, some cliches. And not a single answer to the questions. Well, rudeness, a little bit. Mine is your answer.
                    1. uu1
                      uu1 8 January 2020 22: 34
                      -21
                      Quote: victor50
                      Yes, victims of the exam,

                      It is not for the victims of "the best education in the world" to talk about the USE. Such reasoners have no educational level.
                      Quote: victor50
                      Of course, they did not serve in the army.

                      And even served for a very long time. Unfortunately.
                  2. New Year day
                    New Year day 8 January 2020 23: 20
                    +15
                    Quote: uu1
                    Little by little, but the slop USSR retreats and disappears.


                    It is not paradoxical, but I would exchange my current life for a happy childhood and youth in the Union.
                    The main thing that does not inspire optimism now is human relations, uncertainty about tomorrow and a pension that you can’t live on.
                    1. uu1
                      uu1 8 January 2020 23: 39
                      -18
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      but I would exchange my current life for a happy childhood and youth in the Union.

                      Everyone has different happiness. Masochists, for example, are very fond of being beaten. Any deviations in general are enough.
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      what does not inspire optimism now is human relations, uncertainty about tomorrow and a pension that you can’t live on.

                      But in the USSR it was impossible to live at all. What to pensioners, what to working. Any sane people.
                      Except for the "witnesses of socialism", of course. Only they felt good in their Sect. And their puppeteers, of course.
              3. olimpiada15
                olimpiada15 10 January 2020 20: 16
                +4
                uu1About the "blue chickens" in the USSR and the current chicken-like products, you read in which manual? 80s, I have two little sons, chickens in stores were sold at 1,75 in agricultural products, unwashed and 2 rubles. gutted. They were white, normal. Now there are no normal chickens: frozen, stuffed with excess moisture, or thawed, reddish liquid creeps out of them, the smell is stale, thanks to Onishchenko. Through his efforts, frozen products are defrosted before they are put on sale, unsold ones are frozen and thawed again. Such shit, which I have to cook now, I would not dare to feed the kids. The people in the USSR were not fed such rubbish that they have to eat now.
            2. Den717
              Den717 10 January 2020 08: 10
              +1
              Quote: McAr
              Really, these very little little hands that keep the loot do not realize that their angry proletariat can even tear it to the very neck?

              Just calm down ... You won't go to vomit yourself. Lots of commentators, too. The rest have no time, they are engaged in business, and they understand for the most part that when one is torn off something there, others will come, and the same will go down the mine. Was it different somewhere? A bunch of loafers from the "swamp" country will not be turned over. Yes, and there is no one to lead the "angry proletariat" today.
              So, to achieve justice is a good thing, but there will be no tangible result, if only because all understand justice very differently.
              1. Mcar
                Mcar 10 January 2020 10: 11
                +3
                Quote: Den717
                Yes, and there is no one to lead the "angry proletariat" today.

                You need to read the whole comment, not selective phrases. Then, you look, and there will be nothing to comment on.
                Quote: McAr
                Another question is that while Ilya Muromets is sleeping a bad dream.
                1. Den717
                  Den717 10 January 2020 11: 15
                  -1
                  Quote: McAr
                  while sleeping Ilya Muromets

                  The mention of "while sleeping" implies the expectation of awakening. But we seem to have a mausoleum there with a numb corpse.
                  1. Mcar
                    Mcar 10 January 2020 12: 12
                    +3
                    Quote: Den717
                    The mention of "while sleeping" implies the expectation of awakening. But we seem to have a mausoleum there with a numb corpse.

                    This does not imply anything.

                    Revolutions happen when a revolutionary situation matures. But the ruling bourgeois class is preparing a revolutionary situation. The leaders of the revolution arise in the course of the revolution itself. This is if very briefly.
                    1. Den717
                      Den717 10 January 2020 12: 30
                      -1
                      Quote: McAr
                      the ruling bourgeois class is preparing a revolutionary situation. The leaders of the revolution arise in the course of the revolution itself.

                      You're just Lenin 2.0 !!! Read The Collapse of the Second International. Find those who are suffering "above the usual need" .... In short, this is all empty verbiage. Today there are no prerequisites for revolution, except for the "not very smart" liberals and immature students. There is also a paid part of the writing lads, who are ready to argue with themselves for a fee, but they, as a rule, are overgrown with a fat of comfort and will not go to the barricades themselves. Look at the world soberly, although after the holidays it is difficult. Yes, the government is not a "fountain". We are not angels ourselves. And the revolutionary fountains of us spit up exclusively in front of the monitor behind an anonymous nickname. Here, many are drowning for the Soviet power, apparently they forgot for what reason all the votes in those days were held unanimously ... laughing
        3. g1v2
          g1v2 8 January 2020 18: 21
          -15
          Sure sure. Moan comes from all directions. laughing And then you will go to any large store before the New Year and get fierce. Crowds of people with carts littered with grub. On the streets - crowds of cars. Over the past 20 years, the number of personal cars has doubled. Moreover, sales of used cars are falling, and new ones are growing. You will go to an inexpensive jewelry store before any holiday - do not push around. Probably people buy the most necessary. I really believe it. belay laughing
          Under all the groans and cries about how badly everyone around them lives, anyone who remembers the 80s and the late USSR can compare. And it seems that the majority of the population has never lived better than under Putin and this "anti-people power". There was a failure after the Crimea, but everything has already returned to the same level. People never ate like they do now. People did not have as many cars as they do now. People did not go on vacation, including abroad, as it is now. In 2018, "poor Russians" spent more than $ 30 billion on foreign tourism. This is comparable to our gas export revenues. In fact, as much as the Russian Federation earns on gas, so much ordinary inhabitants export abroad through Turkey, Egypt, Georgia, etc.
          When they tell me how cool Soviet medicine was, I want to twirl a finger at my temple. Watch the film "The weather is good on Deribasovskaya or it is raining on Brighton Beach". When Kharatyan's hero, having won money at Trump's casino and the casino itself, orders all the money to buy disposable syringes and send them to Odessa. Now it looks incomprehensible, but then we did not have them stupidly.
          Yes, much can be remembered. Although there was a lot of good, but these are the popular prints that the authors draw. I'm not close at all.
          REASON FOR PUBLIC DISSATISFACTION AT ALL OTHER. It is that capitalism has led to inequality. When in the 90s everyone was thinking. Since they will live like in the Western series, then everyone believed that it would not be worse, but it would only be better. Everyone believed that they would live richly. But as a result, it turned out that there is no and cannot be equality under capitalism. It turned out that Vasya is riding a maybach, and Petya is on a fret. Vasya, on vacation, flies to the Maldives on his own plane, and Petya to Turkey in a budget hotel. And this, then, is the reason for the discontent. And not that people live worse than before. And now cunning guys convince the layman. that if, again, as in 91-92 years, crush your country, then it will be better to live on its wreckage. Well, the average man believes. They always believe in a fairy tale. The minuses are calm, PM do not hesitate, poor fellow. Happy Christmas everyone! Atheists too! laughing fellow
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 8 January 2020 19: 04
            +3
            Quote: g1v2
            And now cunning guys convince the layman. that if, again, as in 91-92 years, crush your country, then it will be better to live on its wreckage. Well, the average man believes. They always believe in a fairy tale.

            And everyone imagines that he will become a millionaire.
            1. uu1
              uu1 8 January 2020 23: 49
              -14
              Quote: Dart2027
              And everyone imagines that he will become a millionaire.

              100 %. And they did not hide it. And when watching Latin American TV shows, everyone imagined themselves not to be blacks on plantations, but to fazendero.
              What to do, so were accustomed. From childhood, the Soviet were deceived that they live in the richest country in the world. And that they rely on an equal share of this infinite wealth.
              And they believed in this nonsense. Naive.
              However, they still believed in the powerful, conscientious defense industry. Which, as soon as it switches to the production of civilian products, will immediately show the whole world to Kuzkin’s mother. And that too turned out to be a hoax. Not a country, but a solid puffed bubble.
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 10 January 2020 17: 34
                -1
                Are you Ukrainian? But what an envious emigrant? laughing
          2. uu1
            uu1 8 January 2020 23: 46
            -13
            Quote: g1v2
            But as a result, it turned out that there is no and cannot be equality under capitalism.

            Well, it’s too early to talk about capitalism in Russia. Another 50-100 years it is necessary to wait.
            But even under feudal TVET (as in Russia today) equality cannot be talked about either.
            Equality (and even that, relative) was among the slaves (co-citizens) during the slave-owning TPO in the USSR. Although this was not even equality, but rather a weak stratification of society. Due to its strict centralization and the extremely small number of slave owners.
            Quote: g1v2
            It turned out that Vasya is riding a maybach, and Petya is on a fret. Vasya, on vacation, flies to the Maldives on his own plane, and Petya to Turkey in a budget hotel. And this, then, is the reason for the discontent.

            Yes, envy is the main family trait of the Soviet. This toad strangled them, chokes and will choke. And someday strangle. So they are brought up.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 10 January 2020 17: 36
              0
              Quote: uu1
              But even under feudal TVET (as in Russia today) equality cannot be talked about either.

              Kaneshna. Tell me more tales. Given that capitalism defeated social feudalism in '91, your bullshit looks ridiculous.
              Quote: uu1
              Another 50-100 years it is necessary to wait.

              You didn’t work as a full-time propagandist for an hour in a scoop? One to one rhetoric is the same. laughing
              Quote: uu1
              Yes, envy is the main family trait of the Soviet. This toad strangled them, chokes and will choke. And someday strangle. So they are brought up.

              Here you can see. laughing
          3. Servisinzhener
            Servisinzhener 9 January 2020 11: 37
            -5
            Also noted that those who died of starvation on the roads do not roll. Over the past twenty years, people have become better off. A lot of cars were added, new houses are constantly being built and do not stand empty. Of course, people often buy cars and apartments on credit. But the loan must also be paid, which means there is something to pay. In general, it would be nice to see who lives among those people who are officially below the poverty line. Or get a minimum salary. There is a suspicion that among them there will be quite a few quite wealthy people.
            I partly agree with you about the reason for the dissatisfaction. Masculinity promotes initially high living standards. Which, in reality, many in principle will not be able to achieve. Because in making money, as in any other human activity, people are not equal. People, in principle, are not the same, and nothing can be done about it. Someone cooks deliciously, and another cooks, so it’s better to immediately throw them in the garbage can. One makes repairs in apartments well, and despite the high price tag, it has a turn for a year ahead, while the other does not know how to do anything and is engaged in shifting pieces of paper from 9 to 18.
        4. Anchonsha
          Anchonsha 9 January 2020 23: 37
          -3
          You poor thing, how do you live in such a bad Russia, when the West is flourishing, and everyone is happy, they don’t even think badly about Russia. It is necessary to work, a freeloader, to plow in order to live like in the West. And you expect that Putin will create all the conditions for your doing nothing. everywhere Putin will not have time to improve things if you sit and whine ..
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 11 January 2020 22: 45
            -1
            They are all poor - with their heads.
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 8 January 2020 07: 46
      +41
      Quote: AllBiBek
      Phi, how primitive.

      I do not like ? Few love the truth. Well done Roman, burn on. Plus you are huge. Take care of yourself. hi
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 8 January 2020 08: 39
        +34
        Roman, I didn’t want to already be noted on the site, well, okay, I will sacrifice principles, I won’t even comment on what you wrote, I just want to say, You are a Man and a Patriot, thank you, there is no hope for you, maybe the grandchildren will get another country. it will be difficult ... good luck. (although what does luck ... justice ...)
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 8 January 2020 10: 34
          +22
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          I didn’t want to be noted on the site already, but oh well, I’ll give up the principles

          Andrey Yurievich, I am glad to see you again on the site! hi I remember your sparkling comments, through which it was impossible to pass by. It is unpleasant when such forum users leave the site!
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          Roman ... I just want to say, You are a Man and a Patriot, thank you, there is no hope for you, maybe the grandchildren will get another country

          Fully join.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 8 January 2020 14: 52
            +15
            Stas, categorically agree hi
            It is unpleasant when such forum users leave the site!

            Instead, the site is flooded with such
            "Hurray-patriots", painting, Vasya Lozhkin (Alexey Vladimirovich Kudelin), Wonderful People's Artist
            The novel, by the way, very accurately including them in this article described.
        2. bober1982
          bober1982 8 January 2020 19: 01
          -14
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          Novel

          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          You are a Man and a Patriot, thanks

          In my opinion, it would be more correct ....... Patriot
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 8 January 2020 11: 37
        +24
        Quote: Dead Day
        Well done Roman, burn on. Plus you are huge. Take care of yourself.

        that's for sure! And then some "urya-i-i-i !!!"
        Quote: Dead Day
        Few love the truth.

        but power is in truth ...
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 8 January 2020 15: 19
          +18
          That is why in the country of victorious falsehoods, truth is quenched in the bud ...
    3. Mcar
      Mcar 8 January 2020 09: 02
      +22
      Quote: AllBiBek
      Phi, how primitive.

      But, judging by your conclusions, some do not understand a simple language.

      If, in your opinion, everything is fine, then why not for everyone? Why is it one, and not many, all, and another, and a lot of them, from nothing to that did not die right away? I know the answer why, and you?
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 8 January 2020 15: 36
        +12
        Why is it one, and not many, all, and another, and a lot of them, from nothing to that did not die right away?

        Because on this belly festival they are, many are superfluous... What, in fact, we are constantly reminded of by snickering officials of all ranks and stripes: "macaroshkas", "scourges", "slaves", "those who shoot complaints" and "recipients of pensions for alcoholism."
        and you?

        Unfortunately, the author’s appeal does not reach some. Until someone until someone before ...
    4. Siberia 75
      Siberia 75 8 January 2020 09: 31
      -11
      Anhedrite is your chloride. Well why R.S. recognized by the first sentence of the article.
      Can diversify something, for a change wink
    5. parusnik
      parusnik 8 January 2020 09: 45
      +22
      Fi, how primitive. It is written according to the script of any exposed material, which is full of everything, for example, YouTube, that on the topic of a flat Earth, that on the topic of nuclear war in the 19th century, that on the topic "Chef! Everything is lost!" in any area whatsoever. Facts pulled out of context on a given topic, a bit of conjecture, presented as facts. And the script itself: "Such and such garbage, such and such garbage, all these garbage are pissing in the face, but you are not like everyone else, zaduuuumaytes .. Ugh."


      .Here, here, and I’m writing nasty things about increasing the retirement age ... And the guarantor works and nothing ... laughing
      1. dSK
        dSK 8 January 2020 10: 44
        -2
        Merry Christmas Orthodox! So the poor son of a carpenter and 12 former fishermen walked for three years and taught the people how to live correctly. Without security, without money. DOES NOT call for revolution, the struggle for social justice. Then all the same they crucified him, 11 students. And millions of their followers were rotted. But billions of people believed them, because they did not preach from themselves, but from the Creator of the Universe.
        1. victor50
          victor50 8 January 2020 19: 31
          +3
          Quote: dsk
          DOES NOT call for revolution, the struggle for social justice.

          But there was a case, drove merchants in the temple. Judging by the picture - not very and carefully.
      2. dSK
        dSK 8 January 2020 10: 48
        -19
        Quote: parusnik
        the guarantor works

        Glad to see you in good shape and good health. Much better than his predecessor Yeltsin.
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 8 January 2020 14: 20
          +19
          And I’m no longer happy to see his boisterous activity.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 8 January 2020 15: 54
            +12
            In terms of really necessary things - an empty farce and a demonstrative imitation thereof.
            As for the "rest" - there will soon be nothing to rake.
            The dear author just wrote about this article ... in relation to the subject of the Military Review.
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 8 January 2020 14: 25
          +14
          Strange confidence amid the collapse of everything, dsk.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 8 January 2020 15: 46
            +6
            It happens like this - "make ..., he and ..." / Russian proverb about excessive zeal /
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 8 January 2020 16: 53
            -20
            In the 90s I watched the collapse at every step - now it is gone.
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 8 January 2020 18: 08
              +13
              Vadim! In the 90s and earlier they ruined the system, both political and economic. And since 2000, the authorities have been killing physically, now they are finishing off the remains under the veil of imaginary, mainly achievements of unprecedented.
            2. victor50
              victor50 8 January 2020 19: 34
              +9
              Quote: Vadim237
              In the 90s I watched the collapse at every step - now it is gone.

              Prompt settlements, areas, region, where it is very clear? The question is rhetorical. Unwilling to see - will not see. It will be idle about full trolleys in supermarkets and the streets of something filled with cars.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 8 January 2020 21: 40
                -10
                I know for sure that in such areas, districts, and localities, the local leadership just doesn’t give a damn about beautification - it’s necessary to draw up an infrastructure plan, a business plan must be calculated, it is necessary to think, work, and local people don’t want to think and work - that's why every year money allocated to the regions - more than a trillion rubles are returned to the budget as undeveloped. They won’t be engaged in local improvement and business projects on the ground - that’s how disruption and stagnation will be there.
                1. victor50
                  victor50 8 January 2020 21: 53
                  +8
                  In the 90s I watched the collapse at every step - now it is gone.
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  I know for sure that in such areas, districts, and localities, the local leadership just doesn’t give a damn about beautification - it’s necessary to draw up an infrastructure plan, a business plan must be calculated, it is necessary to think, work, and local people don’t want to think and work - that's why every year money allocated to the regions - more than a trillion rubles are returned to the budget as undeveloped. They won’t be engaged in local improvement and business projects on the ground - that’s how disruption and stagnation will be there.

                  So is it or not - the collapse? request
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 9 January 2020 21: 45
                    -4
                    Now at every step there is no collapse - there is a point in the country.
                    1. goblin xnumx
                      goblin xnumx 9 January 2020 23: 37
                      +4
                      I will clarify - a dot continuous carpet across the country :)
                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 11 January 2020 22: 47
                        -1
                        There is not any solid carpet - once again, if everything is shitty for you, this does not mean that everywhere is the same as yours.
      3. depressant
        depressant 8 January 2020 11: 38
        +24
        Eh, Roman ...
        Our time has gone, yes has gone and gone - really forever? - that era when the creators did not think about salaries, but about the implementation of their scientific and technical ideas. When the basis of creativity was not the desire to cut as much dough as possible, but the self-realization of one’s own creative principle as a spiritual feat. That was such a need, brought up from childhood, which became a need for a large number of potential creators, which was impossible to realize, just as it was impossible not to eat and not to breathe ...
        Yes, exactly, they did science and technology as they breathed. And without creativity, they choked. But there was oxygen. Because the era was such, full of honor, respect for the creator man, enthusiastic, reverent worship from the huge masses of people. And the happiness of creativity fluttered over everyone, to one extent or another touching everyone with its wings. Whoever wanted, received it, no one left offended, and Monday began on Saturday! ...
        That's how the era was organized. And if the creator needed money, then only to implement scientific and technical ideas. And the smart era itself, without a request that the CREATOR be distracted, created a comfortable existence for his body in proportion to the creator's contribution to the power of the country ...
        Of course, a hundred or even two hundred years may pass, during which the masters of scientific and technical ideas will learn to fight not only for the opportunity to realize their creative potential, but also for personal loot.
        But history does not give us such a time. Does not give! We have no historical time! Hey you up there! Do you not understand that our historical time is ending?
        But there are no ideas in power. For our power is all the same forces once sold by an alien, infinitely hostile to us for the opportunity to shove the country into personal bottomless kamans - the CPSU Central Committee, the Politburo and other party elite, their descendants and close ones. They realized their idea, and they don’t need another. They devoured our work and, nowhere to go, they continue to devour all of us like a virus until the country's body dies in the abysses of their personal pockets, where they have already pushed our history.
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 8 January 2020 12: 09
          +10
          A depressant, there is an old Chinese wisdom - "you cannot enter the same water twice" and the times of the USSR will never return, alas. You can of course lament this, but it is a fact. Unfortunately, the problem is hidden much deeper than it seems at first glance - the problem is in the person himself, in his craving for hoarding, acquiring treasures, comfort and idleness. But again, all this is objectively predetermined by the very nature of man - he needs resources to maintain the vital activity of the organism, protection from the aggressive external environment, from predators who want flesh, from predators of two-legged ones who want his personal resources and himself as a slave, from diseases, etc. there is a person vulnerable and hence all that we have and will have in the future, no matter how sad it is to admit it. Have everyone forgot Lenin's words that "all the sacrifices will be in vain and we will not achieve anything in terms of the development of the state and civilization as a whole, if we do not create, we will not educate a new person ..." Alas, the USSR still failed to create the "new man" - bourgeoisie and consumerism, and became what destroyed this state. And man has not changed - he is as he was 1000 years ago, so he remains so - "I", "mine" have always been and will be in the first place. There is a fantastic TV series "Space / Expansion" http://7serialov.net/load/detektiv/prostranstvo_ehkspansija_4/6-1-0-176
          There, the distant future is shown quite plausibly - something into what "human civilization" will turn into. Interestingly, it shows Russia, which, tired of endless wars, gave its territory to the "Earth's World Government" and dumped it on .... Mars, doing its terraforming. But even on Mars, Russia is not left alone, they wait for it to finish turning Mars into a habitable planet there, and then .... then, as usual, take it away (just like with SP-2). But this is not the main point of the series, it just shows the only way out of this whole situation - the creation of a truly "new man" with the help of science - who will not need any needs, who can live in outer space without everything and who will have no reason for wars ... However, with this, as it turned out, not everything is simple ... Look, I advise.
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 8 January 2020 13: 43
            +17
            - Bourgeoisie and consumerism became what destroyed this state.
            ... I do not want to look for the remark of I. Ilf and E. Petrov from the novel Golden Calf, it sounds something like this: along with the new world, there was another world bubble go away, go away, sweatshirt-smooth, song Bricks .. Here this world won with all its components ... And he won everywhere, even in developed cap.countries
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 8 January 2020 14: 26
              +2
              Your untruth, in developed cap.countries they were able to create a more just society, why Putin does not want to build such a society with us? For example, Norway:
              "Oil is declared to be the property of the people, like all natural resources of the country. Money from oil revenues goes to social programs and the General Welfare Fund. And Norway gradually began to turn into one of the richest countries in the world, where GDP per capita reaches $ 40 thousand.
              The personal account of each Norwegian receives deductions from the profits from oil revenues. Today, these contributions amount to more than $ 100 for each Norwegian. For each child, at birth, a bank account is opened, which receives at least $ 000 in income from income tax. "
              1. AllBiBek
                AllBiBek 8 January 2020 15: 28
                +3
                I have one ex-employee from Germany moved to Norway when the cub was three years old. Away from the German juvenile. The baby is already five, and now he watches children's programs where, in the roles of Leading Turd and Urine, it is forced.
                1. Fan-fan
                  Fan-fan 8 January 2020 15: 54
                  -3
                  Well, the child looked at the poop on TV, so what? Here on Russian TV we see worse pictures. But the child immediately has 3 thousand green ones in his account, but he and his parents are confident in a decent future.
                  1. Lexus
                    Lexus 8 January 2020 16: 39
                    +11
                    State Pension Fund - Global (Norwegian Statens pensjonsfond utland, SPU; English Government Pension Fund Global, GPFG) - a fund to which Norwegian oil industry profits are deducted with further investment in international assets ... As of September 19, 2017 the value of the fund’s assets has reached 1 trillion US dollars (that is, more than $ 192 of the fund’s assets per Norwegian), which is approximately 000% of the world stock market. [1] With 9% of the European stock market [1,78], the fund is the largest shareholder in Europe.

                    This is with 550 permanent employees and 5 offices. And, accordingly, with us.
                    In 2018, more than 110 thousand officials (by the way, the FIU is the largest bureaucratic organization in the world) to manage the pension accounts of Russians in Russia, the buildings belonging to it are the most luxurious in all republican capitals and regional centers, and annually for the maintenance of the Russian Pension Fund itself spent about 1,5% of all pension savings of Russians (this is tens of billions of rubles).

                    As they say, we feel the difference. It is also about the fact that in Norway "for watching ..." they deposit money for children, and on the contrary they take away from ours, as if not more, taking into account the "tax", only for the maintenance of all these numerous presenters broadcasting almost round the clock "litter -TV ", which, in their free time from fouling the brains of the people, willingly scatter over the foreign lands so" hostile and hateful "to them.
                    So we smile and plow ... to 65 ... 70 ... 80 ... 100 - to the grave, in general. Long ago, something Zhurova did not speak, by the way.
              2. New Year day
                New Year day 8 January 2020 15: 29
                +17
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                ... why Putin does not want to build such a society with us? For example, Norway:

                because in Norway there are NO hydrocarbon millionaires and millionaires! How will his friends live without the ability to select, steal and profit from the pipe? And what kind of managers they showed the courts in Ukraine, they are worthless managers. In vain they eat bread.
              3. Dart2027
                Dart2027 8 January 2020 15: 48
                -11
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                For example, Norway

                Because they have a lot of oil, but few people.
            2. NordUral
              NordUral 8 January 2020 16: 06
              +4
              And he won everywhere, even in developed cap.countries
              So this is their essence, these most developed consumers who do not care about everyone else.
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 8 January 2020 16: 52
                +9
                Do you "want it like in Paris"? wink
                1. NordUral
                  NordUral 8 January 2020 18: 11
                  +7
                  And why not, if the election fails, as, for example, in 2018, when the result was falsified openly. But it’s better to sweep out all this Caudle by law.
                2. New Year day
                  New Year day 8 January 2020 23: 40
                  +7
                  Quote: lexus
                  Do you "want it like in Paris"?

                  If we consider the abolition of Macron's pension reform, then “yes,” I want request
          2. depressant
            depressant 8 January 2020 13: 47
            +8
            Monster_Fat, it was not possible to create a new person because the concept of "betrayal of a bright idea" was widely and skillfully replaced by the concept of "careerism". Careerists, that is, those who did not have sufficient creative opportunities, being essentially a complete mediocrity, but possessing a mean nature, successfully moved up the career ladder, pushing back the worthy and thereby reaching material heights possible in Soviet times, --- they were loudly branded , crucified in the magazine "Crocodile", in literature. But not at all as traitors to the ideas of socialism and communism. And, surprisingly, no one dismissed the careerists from the positions they had reached, did not arrange for them party scolding and did not drive them out of the CPSU. After all, those who had exalted them should have persecuted them. Would they do it? Of course not!
            And such a substitution of concepts, as if not affecting the ideological foundations of society, led to the fact that huge masses of people, seeing all this, involuntarily thought: "Why not? After all, the whip of criticism obviously does not break the butt of careerism, it means not only possible, but you also need to obsequiously assent, and then you will have everything without worthy labor efforts. " This is where opportunism came from. The ideological foundations of society began to rapidly erode. And in each person there were, as it were, two, to a greater or lesser extent. One is a communard, and the second is a greedy grabber and money-grubber who spits on moral norms. The cognitive dissonance! While admiring the cosmic achievements of the socialist system, we at the same time discovered in ourselves the urge for illegal acquisitiveness. And few, very few were those who did not give in to this. And it got smaller and smaller. Such is the manipulation of the masses in conditions of impunity of the quietly creeping evil!
            According to this principle, the power of all levels was formed - where it was explicitly, and where it was quietly. In all institutions, as if a command had been given from above, a mass selection of scoundrels was carried out - either explicit, or ready to become one, or not resisting, floating with the flow. The idea of ​​a just society was skillfully and persistently moved forward, disappeared into oblivion under the slogans of communism, and when the so-called "perestroika" began, Gorbachev's deed fell on the prepared ground. And then the haze of manipulation of popular consciousness, which was later defined as neurolinguistic programming, and led to what we have.
            And in the bottom line we have an elementary betrayal of power at all levels, which began long before the 91st year.
            That's how we got. And now no one is hiding that we hit. And nothing can be done. We are not those who defended Soviet power in the Civil and in the Great Patriotic War. And I want to be those!
          3. Mcar
            Mcar 8 January 2020 13: 55
            +7
            That's despite the fact that your comments are like, and almost always supported by me, I can not deny myself the need to argue.

            Quote: Monster_Fat
            A depressant, there is an old Chinese wisdom - "you cannot enter the same water twice" and the times of the USSR will never return, alas.

            By the times of the USSR, here, obviously - or perhaps, it means dispossession, resettlement of peoples for their mass sympathies for fascism, Khrushchev's egalitarianism, empty regiments, lines, by the way, no less than in the same USA today, etc.

            So yes - no longer enter this river. At a minimum, mobile Internet will not allow. And no one sets such a goal that everything is new: NEP and further on the list.

            But what prevents, without copying the surroundings, to adopt the essence?

            Quote: Monster_Fat
            Unfortunately, the problem is hidden much deeper than it seems at first glance - the problem is in the person himself, in his desire for hoarding, acquiring treasures, comfort and idleness. But again, all this is objectively predetermined by the very nature of man - he needs resources to maintain the vital functions of the body, to protect him from an aggressive external environment, from predators who want flesh, from predators from two-legs, who want his personal resources and himself as a slave, from diseases, etc.

            That's right - resources are needed, and protection, and "ice cream for children, flowers for baba" ... Only all this is there, and for a long time - resources, and protection, and a greenhouse for baba, and a pool of kefir for the elders.

            Already ten years ago it was calculated that if all the benefits created by humanity were distributed evenly among all the inhabitants of the planet, then everyone’s standard of living would be on the verge of transition, the so-called middle class to the rich class, i.e. at a level that 3/4 of humanity does not even dream of.

            This is across the US, but something like this across the globe:


            Quote: Monster_Fat
            Have everyone forgot Lenin's words that "all the sacrifices will be in vain and we will not achieve anything in terms of the development of the state and civilization as a whole, if we do not create, we will not educate a new person ..." Alas, the USSR still failed to create the "new man" - bourgeoisie and consumerism, and became what destroyed this state. And man has not changed - he is as he was 1000 years ago, so he remains so - "I", "mine" have always been and will be in the first place.

            Wait, but the "new man" was brought up. Failed to make those 100%. So, after all, history had very little time for that - 10-12 years before the Second World War, and 10-12 years after. Is it reasonable after such a short opportunity to draw final conclusions? In the end, capitalism settled down for four hundred years according to the scheme: one step forward, two back. If you count all the dips cap. system - fingers are not enough. And then, after one failure to make final conclusions?
            If coaches behaved like that, we would not have a single Olympic medal.
            If artists behaved like that, we would still have sticks with cucumbers as a masterpiece.
            If architects behaved like that, we would still live in burrows.
            If composers acted like that, we would still listen to rap.
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        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 8 January 2020 13: 50
          -8
          "That era when the creators thought not about salaries, but about the implementation of their scientific and technical ideas." But only with the implementation of ideas in the USSR there were problems due to the lack of materials, equipment, tools and available information, in the civil sector it was obvious, but in the military-industrial complex the doors were open to all ideas. In the west, the guys earned money on their inventions, so they now have known all over the world: Microsoft, Apple, AMD, HP, LG, Adidas, Nike, Arbas, GE, Nestle and many other offices, and in the USSR, for the most part, these inventions were put on the shelves of oblivion, in the 90s all these designers and inventors approached these shelves, took their patents, inventions and with their knowledge and experience went to the west to earn money and do what they loved without restrictions.
        3. NordUral
          NordUral 8 January 2020 14: 30
          +18
          Lyudmila Yakovlevna! This is not our power - these are the enemies of the people who do not want to understand this. But there is nothing left to save the country, if by the 24th year, and better before, the country wakes up, then Baba Vanga does not need to be under these fabulous roulades of thieves' power and their hangers-on. coupled with the flip side of the coin - the liberal opposition, the acceleration of falling into the abyss will increase, right up to the logical end of this process.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 8 January 2020 17: 03
            +11
            thieves power and their hangers-on. coupled with the flip side of the coin - the liberal opposition

            You are absolutely right. They are godparents and godchildren, award-winners and awarded ... infrequently and theatrically cursing relatives, in general. And their common enemy is the people.
            Therefore, they are trying to separate the Army from him, reviving all these concepts of "white bones and blue bloods".
          2. depressant
            depressant 8 January 2020 17: 04
            +11
            NordUral, the people already sufficiently understand that power is an enemy to him, who no matter how hard he tries, can no longer hide this. But so far, rage does not boil in people. As it boils, the consolidation of us scattered will go.
            On January 15, the president in his message will talk about our poverty. I can imagine what a circus will be like. It would be better to talk about illegally acquired wealth and squandering the budget.
        4. 16329
          16329 8 January 2020 18: 05
          -4
          It all looks strange, you don’t find it, under the tsar - the people are the sufferer and the ruling vile elite, under the USSR the people are the creator and the greedy selling nomenclature, now the people are the sufferers again, and the authorities and business are traitors and thieves. Thus, under any regime, the system social organization in Russia turns into one and the same. And always our “most respected public” sits and discusses the unfairness of the social structure in our country about how everything is bad.
          Usually a revolutionary way of solving this eternal problem is proposed, and the model to which it should be sought is represented - the West
          In the process of these revolutionary transformations, the country loses its people and territories, falls into civil wars and bloody terror, and the result is already known as soon as life is ordered, at least slightly, everyone is again "Already sighted" And again they are dissatisfied, and the longed-for west is again unattainable.
          Maybe this is enough, is it not time to understand that there are no perfect social systems applicable to everyone in the world, that one must develop steadily, avoiding revolutionary upheavals, that “good people” and “bad tops” are one people and they are inseparable and dignity and the shortcomings of the upper and lower comers are approximately the same
          And one of our main shortcomings is constant nagging that Everything is bad And the world is not perfect and so we must fight it consistently And constantly
          Despondency is a mortal sin, and we must always remember this.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 8 January 2020 19: 07
            -7
            Quote: 16329
            Maybe this is enough, is it not time to understand that there are no perfect social systems applicable to everyone in the world, that one must develop steadily, avoiding revolutionary upheavals, that “good people” and “bad tops” are one people and they are inseparable and dignity and the weaknesses of the upper and lower immigrants are approximately the same
            Blaming the king is always easier.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 8 January 2020 21: 36
              +5
              Quote: Dart2027
              Blaming the king is always easier.

              Although, as always, the boyars are to blame?
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 8 January 2020 22: 01
                -6
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                as always blame the boyars

                Sometimes boyars, and sometimes peasants.
                Quote: Dart2027
                You see, when a fire starts on a ship being repaired, it is not the president who is to blame, but the welder who neglects safety precautions.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 8 January 2020 22: 34
                  +6
                  Or maybe not a welder, but the one who organized the repair work on the ship? Or the one who chose a contractor who was unable to organize the right work?
                  So it’s not the welder's fault, but the system that allowed the welder to neglect TB. hi
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 9 January 2020 06: 34
                    -3
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Or maybe not a welder, but the one who organized the repair work on the ship?

                    That is, he personally ordered the welder to neglect safety standards? As some people do not like to be responsible for themselves, one must certainly look for the guilty person somewhere there.
                    1. goblin xnumx
                      goblin xnumx 9 January 2020 23: 42
                      0
                      rightly so, they did not begin to look for those responsible for the fire in the winter cherry somewhere there, but simply took the first small switchman, the captain Genin, who came across and are happy :)
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 10 January 2020 19: 11
                        0
                        Quote: Leshy74
                        but just took the first small switchman

                        Is he a man from the street?
                      2. goblin xnumx
                        goblin xnumx 10 January 2020 20: 07
                        0
                        Yes, he came to a fire - that is, he came from the street ... you can also draw a fire for a fire on a ship, put them next to the welder ...
                      3. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 10 January 2020 21: 30
                        0
                        Quote: Leshy74
                        yes - he came on fire

                        In fact, he is accused of improper actions in extinguishing a fire. He is to blame or not, I don’t know, like you, but he was the person in charge on the spot.
    6. New Year day
      New Year day 8 January 2020 11: 16
      +25
      Quote: AllBiBek
      Ugh.

      At the end of the year, 2 of our design bureaus cease their independent existence and merge into a single structure - the National Center for Helicopter Engineering named after M.L. Milya and N.I. Kamov holding Russian Helicopters. In fact, we are talking about the liquidation of the company "Kamov" through its inclusion in the cost center. M. L. Mil.
      On the the maintenance of the apparatus (500 people) of the Russian Helicopters holding takes about 1 billion rubles a year. To create a light Mi-54 helicopter, included in the aviation development program until 2025, the development of which I led the project, needed only six billion.
      The head of Russian Helicopters Andrei Boginsky, a 45-year-old graduate of the Department of International Economics of the Diplomatic Academy, defended his dissertation on “Sub-Saharan Africa” .
      Quote: AllBiBek
      ... such and such garbage ...
      AllBiBek laughing
    7. grave
      grave 8 January 2020 11: 41
      +3
      What is wrong with your land? Do you dare to prove that it is round? Duck, we will burn you like a heretic ... Minute affair. Right now I’ll call the Enquisition and you can cut firewood for a fire ... With the permission of the authorities, we will collect the logger and bye ...
    8. Nikolay Belykh
      Nikolay Belykh 8 January 2020 12: 10
      +13
      Better to shout "hooray!" and toss the cap up, right?
      How to ponder the meaning of what is written.
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      1. depressant
        depressant 8 January 2020 14: 25
        +8
        Vadim, shame on you! Roman is sick for our country, for the military-industrial complex, and you ...
        Suggest ideas, not comment on the style of the author. You are an entrepreneur, you can!
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 8 January 2020 15: 49
          -4
          Quote: depressant
          Suggest ideas, not comment on the style of the author
          Quote from the author:
          Yes, no author offers you anything. It is not his duty to offer.
          1. depressant
            depressant 8 January 2020 17: 16
            +6
            Dart, try to be at least logical. Roman Skomorokhov is a journalist, and Vadim is a serious businessman with several industries. Vadim can offer a solution to the problem, and Roman can direct attention. Different tasks!
            But if Roman, as a journalist, fulfills his social duty, Vadim does not do this, because if he opens his mouth for offers, his entrepreneurial activity will quickly come to an end. Our middle class and small business are at least somehow supported by a willing nod of their heads and assent to the authorities.
            And Vadim goes to VO to track people's mindsets - how dangerous the situation is for people like him, and is it time to shed abroad. Well, sometimes it doesn’t hold back, it says something.
            Vadim 237, I'm sorry that I explained something about you in the third person - a colleague.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 8 January 2020 19: 01
              -5
              Quote: depressant
              But if Roman, as a journalist, fulfills his public duty,

              Quote: Dart2027
              But I believe that an honest journalist should reflect not only bad, but also good, and that is his duty, and he is simply engaged in propaganda of the USSR, and it is extremely unsuccessful.
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 8 January 2020 21: 41
              +5
              Quote: depressant
              and Vadim is a serious entrepreneur with several industries.

              Who does not know the difference between nominal and real GDP, and does not know that the final consumer of the goods pays VAT. laughing With his knowledge of economics, most likely he is a full-time employee of the Ministry of Propaganda on the Internet (troll). bully
            3. Vadim237
              Vadim237 8 January 2020 21: 57
              -8
              Only one person can implement my proposals, and that's me, since everyone else is busy with their own business. "But if Roman, as a journalist, fulfills his public duty" - Copying any mess that hundreds of media outlets dump on the Internet every day in hundreds of pages on yellow paper is really a very useful, and most importantly, a productive duty of any journalist. And nothing threatens my business: the land is privatized, the profit is large, there are orders for two years in advance, the last loan was paid off in 2014, I pay taxes regularly, there are plans to invest in agricultural enterprises, foundry and production.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 8 January 2020 17: 05
          -16
          It would have gone better if blood had been donated, it would have been much more useful for children than wasting time on icteric writings about everything and nothing.
  2. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 8 January 2020 05: 06
    +30
    I’m watching how statesmen are baptized in the buildings of a religious cult and I think that our ancestors put millions of lives to ensure that education is free and for everyone and protect the young generation from religious obscurantism and make it progressive, but since the nineties, I think that all victims and the labors were in vain and I recall A.S. Pushkin.

    Freedom sower is a desert,
    I went out early, to the star;
    A clean and innocent hand
    In the enslaved reins
    Threw a life-giving seed -
    But I lost only time,
    Good thoughts and labors ...

    Ride, peaceful people!
    You will not be awakened by the call.
    Why herds of gifts of freedom?
    They should be cut or cut.
    Their inheritance from generation to generation
    Yarmo with rattles and scourge.


    <November 1823>
    1. Van 16
      Van 16 8 January 2020 05: 39
      +21
      Unfortunately, modern education does not teach the main thing - to think. The test system is sharpened for another. The Soviet system taught precisely logical thinking and thinking.
      1. 16329
        16329 8 January 2020 17: 20
        -4
        It is strange if the Soviet people were well educated, trained to think logically and think about why they were so easily bred and deceived throughout the 90s, no one thought about what the massive reductions and conversion would lead to, How the financial pyramids work, Why the collapse of the country would lead to bloody military conflicts, is it possible to vote for. the man who circled the statue of liberty and became freer, who conducted the orchestra in Berlin, etc.
        As researchers, people with education could dream of working in commercial stalls, etc.
        Maybe something was wrong in Soviet education, and in the system as a whole?
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 8 January 2020 19: 12
          -3
          Quote: 16329
          Maybe something was wrong in Soviet education, and in the system as a whole?

          Education has nothing to do with ordinary life. If a person has a higher mathematical education, it means only that he knows mathematics. And that’s all.
          1. 16329
            16329 8 January 2020 19: 21
            0
            that is, you say that Soviet education was narrowly specialized, but how was it “taught to think,” the same only within the specialty
            Soviet education was always considered to be wide-profile, and therefore most of the graduates did not work in their specialty
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 8 January 2020 21: 08
              -3
              Quote: 16329
              that is, you say that Soviet education was

              Really? I did not write Soviet education, I wrote education.
            2. uu1
              uu1 8 January 2020 21: 15
              -6
              Quote: 16329
              Soviet education was narrowly specialized, but how was it “taught to think,”

              Isn't it those "thinking people" who then charged the cans of water near the TV with healing energy?
              Quote: 16329
              Soviet education was always considered to be wide-profile, and therefore most of the graduates did not work in their specialty

              These graduates had no specialty at all, only "crusts". Therefore, it did not matter where and by whom (in lower positions) they work.
    2. depressant
      depressant 8 January 2020 14: 30
      +4
      Pessimist 22, you are almost like me, but only almost ...

      But if all of a sudden
      I won’t be able to protect myself
      What a new battle
      The globe has not swayed
      I’ll fall on that one
      In that distant civilian
      And commissioners in dusty helmets
      Silently bow over me.

      Bulat Okudzhava, "On a Clear Fire".
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 8 January 2020 05: 18
    +10
    We will leave aside the crap about the State Department, for an intelligent person understands that for the money that the aforementioned State Department pays as part of its demon-bearing programs, they write here and there.

    I do not agree Roman smile
    look how Elena Milashina writes her articles ... Basayev’s admirer ... yes, for such a thing, it’s high time it would be time to send such scribblers on foot along the stage to Kolyma.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 8 January 2020 05: 21
      +17
      As Gref said there, a lot of unnecessary junk is stuffed into the head?

      And I think where the wind is blowing in Roman’s article ... I remember how Gref rushed to Washington with tearful requests not to impose sanctions on his property in Russia ... Sberbank Gref cannot work in Crimea at the direction of the US State Department .. .like Roman. belay
  4. Van 16
    Van 16 8 January 2020 05: 28
    +23
    About pre-pensioners is absolutely true in the article. Almost everything rests on them and, in fact, pensioners. No, young people come and work, the maximum that they have enough for is two, three months. Then they leave. Tough requirements, discipline, defense anyway. And the salary .... the salary ah. But these are precisely working specialties, about superiors it’s completely different, on the contrary, there you will not find an old specialist there during the day with fire ..
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  6. apro
    apro 8 January 2020 06: 27
    -19
    The article is so-so ... everything is bad and there is no clearance ... but. What successes and victories do you need? The average Russian? A hundredth salary. Less responsibility. Less work? Or the kingdom of heaven with sweet sides? Good for personal or public? And so everything was. but I didn’t have anything for it? What is the Russian goal-setting today? finally decide .....
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 8 January 2020 07: 55
      +35
      Quote: apro
      The article is so-so ... everything is bad and there is no clearance ... but. What successes and victories do you need? The average Russian? A hundredth salary. Less responsibility. Less work? Or the kingdom of heaven with sweet sides? Good for personal or public? And so everything was. but I didn’t have anything for it? What is the Russian goal-setting today? finally decide .....

      what are you weaving ??? what is the salary ... even if there is no work. hucksters and taxi drivers - that's all the work. it's just ridiculous to read uryakalok. Either they are cut off from real life, district, village, or just fat trolls ... among the common people, there is not even a mat left. what the hell are "jelly beregs" if the entire salary in winter flies away for a communal apartment (I'm generally silent about pensioners ... it's not realistic for them to survive) the failure of Putin's policy is obvious.
      1. apro
        apro 8 January 2020 08: 47
        -26
        Grandfather ... I did not quite understand. What did you want to say with this tirade ...
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 8 January 2020 10: 11
          +18
          Quote: apro
          Grandfather ... I did not quite understand. What did you want to say with this tirade ...

          Yes, I already understand ...
      2. Karen
        Karen 8 January 2020 10: 18
        +5
        Quote: Dead Day
        Putin’s policy failure is obvious.

        Not really, dear ... If we assume that the Cossack is mishandled, then this is far from a failure ...
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 8 January 2020 11: 10
          +10
          Not quite so, dear ... If we assume that the Cossack is mishandled, then this is far from a failure ..

          It may seem strange, but there is a healthy grain in such reasoning. For example, in the United States, fans of "conspiracy theories" have been discussing this version of the situation with Russia for a long time: "The United States is really close to a catastrophe. Allegedly, in the United States there is closed information that some natural disaster in the coming decades will indeed destroy most Therefore, there is a plan for the migration of the "golden part" of Americans to ..... Russia, to a country with military potential (based on local production, that is, sufficiently autonomous from the outside world) capable of saving this "golden migration flow "from external threats. That is why investment in defense has sharply increased in Russia and investment in the population has sharply decreased - the arriving" golden stream "will need soldiers and weapons and a small number of people, sufficient to serve the" arrivals ", that is, acquaintances with local production sufficient to service defense enterprises and extract resources and no more. That is why, the task of this the current governing administration in Russia to prepare the country for the arrival of the "golden stream (a million)", and to prevent the transit of power to someone else, especially to nationalists, communists and socialists. "
          Again, these are not my words, there is just such a version of "conspiracy theory".
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 8 January 2020 11: 26
            -7
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            the arriving "flow of gold" will need soldiers and weapons and a small number of people, sufficient to serve the "arrivals", that is, familiar with local production, sufficient to service defense enterprises and extract resources and no more.

            And in all other respects they will depend on other states. Not to mention the fact that in order to have a large army and manufacture the entire nomenclature of the same weapons, including components, it will take oh how many people.
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 8 January 2020 14: 40
              +8
              There are many conspiracy theories, but it’s more convenient for Americans to dump in Australia, there are many places there, they will be happy to meet them, there are their own, and in Russia they will be met badly, the mess will begin.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 8 January 2020 15: 46
                -1
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                There are many conspiracy theories, but it’s more convenient for Americans to dump in Australia

                More realistic option.
              2. Alf
                Alf 8 January 2020 16: 42
                +9
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                and in Russia they’ll be met badly, the mess will begin.

                But for this there is Mr. Sands and the entire state machine of propaganda, which will convince the plebs that the Americans arrived to protect Russia, so that the evil Chinese do not capture it.
          2. Karen
            Karen 8 January 2020 11: 32
            +6
            Without any faith in conspiracy theory ... there is a well-coordinated work of the Kremlin kibbutz with the New York kagal in the cause of the Khazarization of the outskirts.
          3. Varyag71
            Varyag71 10 January 2020 15: 52
            0
            I heard about that too. Therefore, our government has muddied the massive privatization ...
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 8 January 2020 14: 37
          +9
          If we assume that the Cossack is mishandled, then this is far from a failure ...
          Exactly!
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 8 January 2020 08: 16
      +24
      Quote: apro
      What is the Russian goal setting today?

      But no.
      Quote: apro
      finally decide .....

      Are you not Russian, or what?
      1. apro
        apro 8 January 2020 08: 44
        -9
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Are you not Russian, or what?

        No.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 8 January 2020 08: 50
          +11
          Quote: apro
          No.

          And the surname-name is quite a Russian ...
          1. apro
            apro 8 January 2020 08: 53
            -6
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            And the surname-name is quite a Russian ...

            Then why raise the question?
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 8 January 2020 09: 00
              +16
              Quote: apro
              Then why raise the question?

              Quote: apro
              and what successes and victories do you need? an average Russian? a hundredth salary. less responsibility. less work? or a kingdom of heaven with sweet sides? a blessing personal or public? and that everything is. but I didn’t have anything for it? What is the Russian goal-setting today? finally decide .....

              And why did you write all this? What success do you need?
              1. apro
                apro 8 January 2020 09: 08
                -17
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                What success do you need?

                I personally only those who. I personally will achieve it. no matter what ... But the success of the Russian community today is not clear to me. it’s an explosion of patriotic verbiage. it’s faith in the tsar that’s good. ...
                1. depressant
                  depressant 8 January 2020 11: 50
                  +20
                  Well yes. A car, an extensive apartment, a summer residence, a solid bank account - a typical fellow traveler of our government. Such are the "spiritual" aspirations of the present "creators" of the appeal of feudal capitalism. Just do not rely too much on the stability of the situation - our power will devour you too, when there is nothing to take from the hard workers.
                  1. apro
                    apro 8 January 2020 12: 04
                    -9
                    Lyudmila Yakovlevna. Of course, I understand your proletarian anger. But you exaggerate a little about me ... those questions that I raised relate to the community of Russians. Residents of Russia. And today I do not see any positive development of the population’s consciousness. The ability to unite even to protect my vital interests .Russians want to survive alone. And they will not succeed. The system is stronger.
                    1. depressant
                      depressant 8 January 2020 18: 01
                      +2
                      Apro, almost the same "proletarian" thoughts and mine. For example, in my entrance there are three young men 45 years old - the same age. Two live off the pensions of their parents, sometimes they earn extra money, they have not found themselves, there is no education, it did not work out in the 90s, they are extremely tragically depressed. Lost generation. The third one is a wonderful programmer, sometimes he works, but he does not have citizenship, they don’t give him, he lives like this, also sometimes earning money. He no longer binds hope with Russia, is not needed, because he is Russian. All three are not married, they are not friends with each other, they only say hello when they meet.
                      Old people have long ceased to be friends, to visit each other. And the youth does not communicate with families, everything is gone ...
                      But I still found a time when in the New Year’s village it turned into fun festivities, and fireworks were torn from the chimes until 4 in the morning. And the cars drove up to the house, joyfully whining with loud pop music, and thunderous music sounded in the apartments, and I walked upstairs and to cars to tell how lovers of pop thunder act badly. And now there is gloomy silence and nostalgia for the time when the people were still consolidated to some extent and even gathered for rallies to stop the felling of trees. And even the cars were burned in 2009. Everything is gone, everything ...
                      But nothing can last forever. Even leaving all. The departure of the old is followed by the arrival of the new as already known part of the historical spiral. A little ray of my hopes should someday burst into flames. And let this not be the flame of the burning machines of our loaned proletarians of capitalist labor.
                  2. Karen
                    Karen 8 January 2020 12: 06
                    0
                    No wonder - he also for the Bolsheviks / Trotskyists earlier in the comments stripped a vest on himself ...
                    1. apro
                      apro 8 January 2020 12: 13
                      -6
                      Quote: Karen
                      the Bolsheviks / Trotskyists earlier in the comments stripped a vest on themselves ...

                      Karen. Bolsheviks yes. Trotskyites no. Do not be fooled.
                      1. Karen
                        Karen 8 January 2020 12: 15
                        +1
                        The Bolsheviks, before twisting them into a ram’s horn by comrade Stalin — are pure Trotskyites ...
                      2. apro
                        apro 8 January 2020 12: 18
                        -3
                        It turns out that the Bolshevik Comrade IVStalin twisted himself into a ram’s horn? You do not confuse a respectable round with soft ...
                      3. Karen
                        Karen 8 January 2020 12: 19
                        -14
                        Stalin before the victory over Trotsky was simply a mercenary among the Bolsheviks ...
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 8 January 2020 14: 39
        +7
        I will answer briefly: not to see the obvious, not to hear the rational. And all this in an ostrich pose.
    3. depressant
      depressant 8 January 2020 15: 09
      +5
      Apro, we need the feeling that we are the creators of history as subjects, and not manipulated mute objects.
      1. apro
        apro 8 January 2020 15: 30
        -3
        Quote: depressant
        Apro, we need the feeling that we are the creators of history as subjects, and not manipulated mute objects

        Lyudmila Yakovlevna. I fully and completely agree with you. But on the basis of what? Wild nationalism? Religious exclusivity? Private property interests? What to do business you need to know why. How and what to get in the end ..
  7. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 8 January 2020 06: 34
    +5
    The author about the Su-57, Almaty and the Coalition hit the extreme! Under the guise of strategic nuclear weapons, it is not at all necessary to feverishly increase the number of very expensive weapons, unless of course the author does not want the collapse of the Russian economy, although maybe he just did not think about it. However, education and production must be lifted from its knees.
    1. Avior
      Avior 8 January 2020 07: 01
      +21
      The laws of economics cannot be fooled
      If you spend money on development, and then release a dozen instead of a large batch, then it will be gold, since the development costs need to be scattered by the number of issued samples, no matter in which budget items they are hidden
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 8 January 2020 07: 07
        +6
        I mean, it’s not worth it to drive the raw into the series, with bulging eyes.
        1. Avior
          Avior 8 January 2020 07: 10
          +15
          Not worth it, you're right
          But if all new developments are limited to single “smart” copies, then a lot of money will go away, and the practical result will be zero
          Again, you can’t put it on the shelf, it’s becoming obsolete, the world is changing rapidly
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 8 January 2020 08: 13
      +24
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      the second about the Su-57, Almaty and the Coalition hit the extreme! Under the guise of strategic nuclear weapons, it is not at all necessary to feverishly increase the number of very expensive weapons, unless of course the author does not want the collapse of the Russian economy, although maybe he just did not think about it.

      collapse can come from billions in the garages of colonels. and not from the needs of the defense industry.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 8 January 2020 08: 41
        +8
        Quote: Dead Day
        collapse can come from billions in the garages of colonels. and not from the needs of the defense industry.
        Well, yes, it is just here, in Russia, that miraculously complements each other. And the needs of the defense industry, by the way, can be inflated just unbelievably. And where to get funds for, even not inflated, the defense industry?
        You can of course, following the example of I.V. Stalin: It is necessary to discard false shame and directly, openly go to the maximum increase in vodka production with a view to ensuring real and serious defense of the country, but there’s just no monopoly, not just vodka, no matter what the state’s monopoly, other than taxes on the population.
        1. Alf
          Alf 8 January 2020 16: 45
          +4
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          yes that's just no monopoly

          And where did she go?
      2. depressant
        depressant 8 January 2020 12: 08
        +15
        Dear, your information about the colonels as the pinnacle of the abusive essence of law enforcement agencies is outdated.
        On December 24, 2019, Lieutenant General of the Customs Service Alexander Kizlyk was taken into custody. When they entered his house, they were stunned, and when they counted, they burst into tears. There, the stolen goods turned out to be 10 times more than that of Zakharchenko and Chekalin combined.
        As for the colonels, the arrested good did not go to the budget - it disappeared. After all, it is not ours, people's, it is stolen from higher. And so as not to be stolen from the owners, at least Zakharchenko was roughly punished. But some even returned to the family of the sorcerer.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 January 2020 14: 00
      -9
      The new program for the rearmament of the army until 2027 provides for the purchase of: Su 57 Armat, Coalitions and other weapons, and before accepting something new into service, it is necessary that this, something new, undergo trial operation.
    4. NordUral
      NordUral 8 January 2020 14: 40
      +3
      They told you: educated, healthy people do not need this, Vladimir_2U.
  8. Dart2027
    Dart2027 8 January 2020 06: 58
    -16
    And the big troubles are that today, and even in the conditions of impending total censorship of all the processes taking place in the army, we will not be able to figure out soon what we are fed in terms of information!
    Those who learn about everything only from the means of propaganda are not even able to understand how deceived they are and how. Although, in fairness, they do not need it. They thought over everything for them and fed the information packages.

    The author forgot to add the words "Perestroika" and "Glasnost".
    Yes, no author offers you anything. It is not his duty to offer. The author is not a member of the government, not a State Duma deputy, not a president. He just expresses a thought. Illuminates a problem. Tries, at least.

    "You criticize someone else's, offer your own. When you offer, do it."
    (Sergey Pavlovich Korolev)
    But nothing, given the pace today is the desovetization of everything, including science, soon everything will be just fine.

    Nothing contributes to desovetization like similar articles.
    1. Far B
      Far B 8 January 2020 07: 53
      +29
      "You criticize someone else's, offer your own. When you offer, do it."
      (Sergey Pavlovich Korolev)
      Actually, Korolev talked about specialists in a certain industry. The author made it clear that he was not a deputy, not a member of the government, and not the president, in order to propose something, much less to do. Or, in your opinion, it is impossible to criticize those who are above, in any case? When you drive along a road killed in the trash - do you criticize anyone? You get out of the car and immediately, with your own hands, start laying asphalt in the pits?
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 8 January 2020 08: 08
        -19
        Quote: Dalny V
        Actually, Korolev talked about specialists in a certain industry. The author made it clear that he is not a deputy, not a member of the government and not a president, so that

        But at the same time, he believes that he criticizes all of them. What a convenient position - I am not responsible for anything, but everyone owes me.
        1. Far B
          Far B 8 January 2020 08: 13
          +26
          Excuse me, but do you think that people who are responsible for the state of affairs in certain industries owe nothing to anyone? Even more convenient position, hmm ...
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 8 January 2020 09: 18
            -23
            Quote: Dalny V
            Do you think that people responsible for the state of affairs in certain industries owe nothing to anyone
            Should the author of the article? People who work in certain industries are doing their job. As they should do. But the author only shouts "the boss is all gone."
            1. Far B
              Far B 8 January 2020 09: 36
              +26
              Should the author of the article?
              Imagine yes. And not only to the author. But also to any resident of the country. To build rockets and fly. That the roads were in good condition. To embezzlement sitting. To doctors - treated. And ted and tepe.
              People who work in certain industries do their job. As they should do
              Ah, well, if that’s how it should be done, in your opinion, tady oh. Tady and Chubais in their place, and Medvedev, and all-all-all.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 8 January 2020 10: 38
                -13
                Quote: Dalny V
                Imagine yes. And not only to the author. But also to any resident of the country.

                And what exactly should the author of the article?
                1. Fan-fan
                  Fan-fan 8 January 2020 15: 06
                  +4
                  The author of any article should correctly, simply and clearly express his thoughts, and if you are not able to understand simple thoughts, then study, improve your level.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 8 January 2020 15: 52
                    -4
                    Quote: Fan-Fan
                    The author of any article should express his thoughts correctly, simply and clearly.

                    That's just the author of the article only does what aches (however, this is a tradition with us), and specifically in this article he is indignant that his previous nagging was not greeted with applause.
                2. brat07
                  brat07 10 January 2020 03: 05
                  +2
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Quote: Dalny V
                  Imagine yes. And not only to the author. But also to any resident of the country.

                  And what exactly should the author of the article?

                  The author must be responsible for his words!
                  This is me about "cartoons" and everything else.
                  Now, if he substantiated his allegations (and even with the facts), then yes!
                  There is something to think about.
                  And so ... only words and nothing more.
                  My personal opinion is that he only "warms up the audience". This is his direct task.
                  Threw an article - and he is over the "fight"!
                  And the article (IMHO) - so-so.
                  There were (articles) and much better. sad
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 8 January 2020 09: 38
              +24
              Quote: Dart2027
              Should the author of the article?

              Due to all citizens of the state. For they are essentially hired workers, ours with you. After all, it is we who contain them. hi
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 8 January 2020 10: 37
                -8
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Due to all citizens of the state.

                You see, when a fire starts on a ship being repaired, it is not the president who is to blame, but the welder who neglects safety precautions. The same citizen. Nezhdanchik, right?
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 8 January 2020 11: 42
                  +8
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  but a welder who neglects safety precautions.

                  There is only one problem in our state, and it comes from above - the lack of responsibility for their work. hi
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 8 January 2020 11: 59
                    -7
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    There is only one problem in our state, and it comes from above

                    That is, GG should personally stand behind each janitor?
                    1. Fan-fan
                      Fan-fan 8 January 2020 15: 12
                      +4
                      The Head of State must create a system (structure), which will be behind each of us, and among other things, the Main should also be responsible.
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 8 January 2020 15: 59
                        -2
                        Quote: Fan-Fan
                        must create a system (structure), which will be behind each of us

                        I’m afraid it will turn out like with the USSR - at first successes and considerable, and then collapse and disaster.
                2. Ryaruav
                  Ryaruav 8 January 2020 12: 22
                  +8
                  comrade Dart, note that the difference between the mistakes of the welded and the president of the country, to put it mildly, is enormous, and if Russia had only the fire problem
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 8 January 2020 14: 09
                    -7
                    Quote: Ryaruav
                    note that the difference between welded and president’s mistakes is, to say the least, enormous

                    It’s only here that from the time of tsarist times, it has become a tradition to blame the tsar / general secretary / president for everything, and everyone is good. Tired of it. As for the author of the article, he will be indignant no matter what the president does, because you can always find a reason to be indignant, and because he is for the USSR, not the Russian Federation.
                3. Overlock
                  Overlock 9 January 2020 17: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  it’s not the president who is to blame for this, but the welder who neglects safety precautions.

                  maybe a ship commander?
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 9 January 2020 19: 35
                    0
                    Quote: Overlock
                    maybe a ship commander?

                    During the repair, the plant is responsible, but in any case not "this power".
            3. Alf
              Alf 8 January 2020 16: 46
              +9
              Quote: Dart2027
              People who work in certain industries do their job. As they should do.

              The results are obvious, just go outside ...
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 8 January 2020 19: 13
                -4
                Quote: Alf
                just go outside

                I go there almost every day and I see nothing "the boss is all gone".
            4. Vadim237
              Vadim237 8 January 2020 17: 14
              -5
              “But the author only shouts,“ the boss is all gone. ”But let him continue shouting, with long-term depressed people this is already becoming a pathology.
        2. Avior
          Avior 8 January 2020 09: 48
          +16
          He is responsible for paying taxes to them personally in the budget, this is his duty
          And if he doesn’t pay, then he will have problems
          And no one can forbid him to criticize how the taxes paid by him are spent
          hi
          1. depressant
            depressant 8 January 2020 15: 41
            -1
            Dart 2027!
            I will probably surprise you, but Roman Skomorokhov, as an honest journalist, is obliged to point out the pain points of our lives. What does he do successfully.
            As for the topic of the gas welder and janitor, as well as their superiors, these people should be surrounded by such a moral climate that does not allow unfair performance of duties. But this is precisely the responsibility of the president. Meanwhile, the atmosphere created by him of complete irresponsibility and impunity of responsible persons of any rank leads to disasters, imperfections, failures and other failures in the economy as a whole and in the military-industrial complex in particular. It seems that the economic life in the country is only imitated by managers, without the goal of a final positive result. If you do not consider as such personal profits of the gentlemen due to sawing the budget.
            Therefore, the president’s standing with a candle in his hands in the church looks like an attack of individual hypocrisy.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 8 January 2020 15: 56
              -7
              Quote: depressant
              I will probably surprise you, but Roman Skomorokhov, as an honest journalist, is obliged to point out the pain points of our lives.
              Oh really? But I believe that an honest journalist should reflect not only bad, but also good, and that is his duty, and he is simply engaged in propaganda of the USSR, and it is extremely unsuccessful.
              Quote: depressant
              As for the topic of the gas welder and janitor, as well as their superiors, these people should be surrounded by such a moral climate that does not allow unfair performance of duties.
              That's just in reality they wanted to spit on this climate, even the fact that if something happens the first welder can burn does not stop first.
              Quote: depressant
              and leads to disasters, deficiencies, failures and other failures in the economy as a whole and in the military-industrial complex in particular
              And they do without him. Moreover, people are still from the USSR.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 8 January 2020 17: 16
            -5
            He certainly does not know where and what his taxes are going on, just as I do not know.
  9. nikvic46
    nikvic46 8 January 2020 07: 03
    +3
    In the field of military equipment, I am a layman. I heard that by 2024 four Poseidons will be launched. And with amazement I heard from a political scientist that a dozen of these types are needed. That's from such people we get lascivious information. An interesting article, and it needs to be considered.
  10. Thrifty
    Thrifty 8 January 2020 07: 54
    +9
    Novel! Firstly, it's great that we don't have Channel One, which, like many other channels, has turned into an ordinary news-information garbage can! Secondly, the Su57 has both AFAR and a new engine, the main problem is in microelectonics - that is, this is our eternal problem, alas! Tanks T14 and others like them do not want to buy massively for the army officials from our government, who control the defense industry and the state order! Their logic is especially noticeable - why does Russia have such a technique that no one else in the world has yet, and even in such quantities! As for the fleet, I agree, we are building what should have been built 20 years ago, but something bigger is going to be long-term construction, because the country has lost its personnel! Just find out how much the Chinese pay at the shipyards, I am silent about the South Koreans, the specialists, and how much and how our shipbuilders pay the hard workers! Why is each new warship for the fleet many dozens of prestigious foreign cars, for the management and their relatives, and not the highest salaries for shipbuilders? ?? The fault of many of our troubles is total corruption, obvious sabotage of decisions, unwillingness to change something for the better! Therefore, the notorious "import substitution" died, that instead of restoring their production they rushed to buy Chinese bullshit! And on cries that Chinese is cheaper, raise taxes by a couple of percent from the Chinese barokhl, and this feeder will also collapse, because the Chinese will immediately raise prices significantly! !!
    1. YOUR
      YOUR 8 January 2020 12: 06
      +2
      At the beginning of 2019, it was announced that by the end of the year, beginning of 2020, 2 T-14 battalions and a T-15 battalion for military trials would be delivered to the Kantemirovskaya division. Then Shoigu came to the plant, which I didn’t know about, but after the trip he said that 15 tanks would be enough for military tests, there was no talk of Boomerang at all. Recently it was said that maybe 4-5 tanks will be delivered to the troops. The keyword may be. So far, the cost of one tank has been announced at 250 million rubles, which is 8,1 times more than the modernization of the T-72 and 2 times more than the release of the new T-90M. These tanks will not be in service, as the appearance of the Su-57 is in question.
      Surprising, amazing, outraged.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 January 2020 14: 06
      -18
      And you probably forgot what happened 20 years ago, then you couldn’t even dream about stevets and RTOs using stealth technology — even feeding the army was a big problem.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 8 January 2020 15: 34
        +5
        Quote: Vadim237
        what happened 20 years ago, then neither could they dream of corvettes and RTOs using stealth technology

        Do not want to compare with the USSR? Or, for clarity, with the Russian Empire?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 8 January 2020 17: 20
          -3
          In the USSR, stealth ships did not do technology, in the Russian Empire the same. A kayuk of both the Russian Empire and the USSR in fact came and was laid down in 1917.
      2. Kronos
        Kronos 8 January 2020 17: 34
        -1
        That is, from the bottom, got to the level of feeding the army and the development of piece new technologies is very cool
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 8 January 2020 22: 03
          -3
          You did not understand anything at all - for understanding, compare our army in 2000 and 2019 - the author of the "article"
          he never did, apparently the level of journalism does not allow him.
  11. phair
    phair 8 January 2020 08: 21
    +5
    And with a serious look, we are told how another expert brought to heaven a plane taken out of service 7 years ago.
    I watch through the window how a pair of MIG 25 flies from the Corner-Central. 23 are removed, and 25 are in service.
    1. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 10 January 2020 00: 02
      -1
      Quote: phair
      I watch through the window how a pair of MIG 25 flies from the Corner-Central. 23 are removed, and 25 are in service.
      but not a moment- 31?
      1. phair
        phair 10 January 2020 02: 56
        0
        Hmm ... I was a lieutenant in a naval aviation regiment, the regiment’s first-aid post :) I could be wrong.
  12. parusnik
    parusnik 8 January 2020 08: 46
    +17
    Let's be honest: when they worked for the honor of the country, the Soviet system was killed in the bud.
    .... So, desovetization, the sooner we desovetize, life will be better and more fun laughing ... The country's honor is called the social partnership of labor and capital, but no one has canceled the optimization, and most importantly, everything is according to the Labor Code of the Russian Federation .. laughing
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 8 January 2020 23: 24
      +3
      Quote: parusnik
      So, desovetization, the sooner we desovetize, life will be better and more fun

      It’s just that Ukraine didn’t use it, but as they say: if you’re going from behind, you’ll laughing
  13. Operator
    Operator 8 January 2020 09: 47
    -10
    I have always said that supporters of the Jewish doctrine of kibbucism / communism are ardent Russophobes.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 8 January 2020 10: 35
      +7
      But capitalism, democracy, liberalism whose teachings?
      1. Operator
        Operator 8 January 2020 11: 18
        +1
        Capitalism is an economic formation, and democracy is a political system, both concepts come from the realm of objective reality.

        The teaching in your enumeration is only Anglo-Saxon liberalism (lack of state regulation), which is the same subjective utopia of Adam Smith as Karl Marx's Jewish communism.
        1. Cat Kuzya
          Cat Kuzya 8 January 2020 12: 29
          -3
          Oh, how crazy you are here, I'm already scared. Such problems, you are discussing global .... Vanity ... And, now, on New Year's Eve, I presented a little thing like this, it helps .... I’m happy.
  14. Kolin
    Kolin 8 January 2020 11: 16
    -10
    The first contract for the Su57 - 76 cars, the "squirrel" is being produced, but Romualdo continues to ride.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 8 January 2020 11: 27
      -15
      Quote: Kolin
      The first contract for Su57 - 76 cars

      And all-prowlers do not know about this.
  15. evgic
    evgic 8 January 2020 11: 37
    -3
    The club is crazy. It’s not funny to read you
  16. Dimy4
    Dimy4 8 January 2020 11: 43
    +4
    Have you noticed such an interesting thing: the more “secret” the fuck is, the more you believe in it?

    This is, for example, how you want to scare your "partner" or, on the contrary, cheer up your own: "We have such a secret secret that you can only tell EVERYONE about it in secret!" Otherwise, there will be no effect.
    1. Dimy4
      Dimy4 8 January 2020 11: 55
      +8
      But Rogozin has no problems, except how to rename once again another project of the spacecraft

      Yes, by the way, Rogozin needs to throw an idea, to build a duplicate space staircase with a railing to the space elevator. So you never know what.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 8 January 2020 14: 12
        -8
        Rogozn now has other problems, the most important of which is the repayment of Khrunichev's debts of 130 billion rubles.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 8 January 2020 23: 26
          +2
          Quote: Vadim237
          Rogozn now has other problems, the most important of which is the repayment of Khrunichev's debts of 130 billion rubles.


          And I thought, to answer who communized the money from Vostochny Cosmodrome laughing
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 9 January 2020 00: 32
            -2
            Quote: Silvestr
            Quote: Vadim237
            Rogozn now has other problems, the most important of which is the repayment of Khrunichev's debts of 130 billion rubles.


            And I thought, to answer who communized the money from Vostochny Cosmodrome laughing

            Sylvester, you are a small doctor ... where are you in politics? wink laughing laughing
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 9 January 2020 13: 48
              +4
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Sylvester, you are a small doctor ...

              Not for you to judge. But you can check on your own health. Take the risk
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 11 January 2020 21: 59
                +3
                Quote: Silvestr
                But you can check on your own health. Take the risk

                Do you want to take a chance? Are you responsible if that wink
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    2. Kronos
      Kronos 8 January 2020 17: 36
      +1
      When, under Brezhnev, when new missiles were announced, the West was really scared because he knew that they were there and they would fly and under Putin there was only laughter because they know that there are very few of them and they will not fly over their property abroad
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 8 January 2020 19: 15
        -2
        Quote: Kronos
        and under Putin

        They know what they are and will fly.
        https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201901152247-ngen.htm
  17. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 8 January 2020 12: 12
    +10
    the second is simply an excellent article from the novel where for young people and not only how the bundles of db say it is chewed with explanations of where a great power is heading
  18. Mixanson
    Mixanson 8 January 2020 12: 34
    -9
    Immediately after the first lines I realized who the author of the article is .. Our restless!
    With such articles, here many can bring to a heart attack .. laughing
    Praise the author or something. ? And then some women in Russia will remain))))
    Doctors do not recommend reading such articles after the holidays. crying
  19. faterdom
    faterdom 8 January 2020 13: 13
    +6
    Until I see "the government in full resignation" - I will not believe that the view of things has sober up.
    Not yet. And, believe me, the security officials and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs are also not brilliant, and not even talented administratively. The same Foreign Ministry is full of liberals and idlers, working in no way in the interests of the country. The same leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, not getting rid of the cannabis system of the APPG, is happily carrying the directive nonsense "To reduce personnel and financial expenses annually, but to increase the detection rate steadily, every year, every quarter!" About MO - there is a profile site, and a groan about what is wrong in almost every article.
  20. Vadim237
    Vadim237 8 January 2020 13: 21
    -19
    "Today, domestic equipment is practically not produced, and a fair amount of components (especially electronic) are of foreign origin. Moreover, the real range of domestic components and materials is constantly decreasing." Author Svizdet is not necessary, since you are clearly not in the subject of what, where from what in Russia. In other matters, like everything that happens in the military-industrial complex.
  21. mik193
    mik193 8 January 2020 14: 14
    +4
    The author simply described the bitter truth of today's reality. Thank.
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 8 January 2020 16: 36
      -7
      The author simply threw out personal negative impressions on the readers of OWN, without bothering with evidence, without understanding the reasons. Moreover, in advance accusing possible critics of bias. Such losers and sackers like it. Those who failed and who have nothing to offer. He, you see, is not a member of the government - you can’t let such people close not only to the government, but also to a decent company.
      There is a rule in scientific publications - do not accept articles for publication where there is nothing new, there are no proposals - there is nothing to litter the information space!
  22. NordUral
    NordUral 8 January 2020 14: 16
    +10
    Finally, a sober, albeit very sad, analysis of the situation with the country's defense industry and not only with it.
    A country threatened with extinction with these figures that rule the abyss. And it doesn’t matter whether it’s stupidity or the deliberate work of enemies of the people.
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  24. Mustached Kok
    Mustached Kok 8 January 2020 14: 47
    0
    The author, of course, I agree with the essence. No questions, except that Rogozin is not so bad, the same SPECTRUM program works and brings many benefits to the whole world.
    But here is the structure of the text ... it’s difficult to read an article with so many transitions and emotions. Next time, try to keep the bar of quality.
  25. bober1982
    bober1982 8 January 2020 15: 29
    -7
    The main thing is to scream first the tiger does not report meat to the cage, I will not be silent!
  26. Nonna
    Nonna 8 January 2020 15: 31
    +2
    Thank you Roman. As always on top. The article is excellent. Take care of yourself. If you monitored social networks - utirakalok. those who are mistaken and those who have something from this power - less than 25%. The rest simply hate this political regime.
  27. Loess
    Loess 8 January 2020 16: 08
    -3
    And from here the third point. "What the author offers."
    Yes, no author offers you anything. It is not his duty.
    Yeah, the author is not a reader, the author is a writer ... The main thing is "to get into the stream", as one author wrote here.
  28. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 8 January 2020 18: 11
    +2
    I won’t comment on the article, but after reading the comments I get the impression that the authors are sitting swollen from hunger, and their fingers are dry on the keyboards ... well, be afraid of God, .. get distracted and think, remember what you personally did to Your family at least lived well and better, and Roman, in my opinion, has a second wave of midlife crisis
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 8 January 2020 23: 31
      +3
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      it seems that the authors are sitting swollen from hunger, and with their fingers shrinking on the keyboards ..


      If you read Roman, you will not find a mention of a personal refrigerator. It was about the army, the country
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 9 January 2020 06: 54
        +3
        If you read carefully, then my comment does not relate to Roman’s article, but to the mass of comments and mainly to persons recently registered
  29. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 8 January 2020 18: 19
    +2
    Development of industry and economy in Russia, you say? Raising wages in the manufacturing sector? What kind of "development" and "rise" can be, in this situation:
    Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev signed a decree on the provision of subsidies to stimulate demand and increase the competitiveness of Russian industrial products.

    According to the document, which is published on the government website, 2020 billion rubles will be allocated from the federal budget for these purposes in 9,8.

    The money is provided for "meeting the needs of industrial enterprises in the modernization of production" and will be available to "a wide range of consumers," the statement to the decision says.

    Up to 80% of the pledged amount should go to the auto industry and railway engineering, another 10% to agricultural equipment manufacturers. The operator of the program will be the Ministry of Industry and Trade, which will collect applications for subsidies, hold a tender and distribute funds according to a formula that includes the actual volume of production.

    The amount budgeted for industrial competitiveness will be almost half the cost of maintaining the State Duma and the Federation Council (18,01 billion rubles).

    According to the Accounts Chamber, in 2020 the government will increase funding for the Duma by 9,6%, or 1,07 billion rubles, to 12,096 billion.
    About half of the new budget money will be used to increase salaries: the costs of “payments to personnel” from 7,4 billion rubles last year increase to 8,146 billion rubles in this (+ 10%).
    Expenditures on the Federation Council will grow by 11% - from 5,327 to 5,914 billion rubles.

    The new money will probably help the State Duma to get out of the list of federal officials lagging behind in their standard of living. According to the Federal State Statistics Service, in 2017 the average salary in the lower house was 158,8 thousand rubles, while in the presidential administration - 236,6 thousand rubles, and in the government - 240,3 thousand. In the Federation Council, officials received an average of 186,4 thousand rubles.

    https://www.finanz.ru/novosti/aktsii/na-modernizaciyu-rossiyskoy-promyshlennosti-vydelyat-menshe-chem-na-soderzhanie-gosdumy-1028795530
    While "trampoline":
    SpaceX's Falcon 9 launch vehicle successfully launched 60 Starlink satellites into orbit. This was reported in the company's Twitter account.

    The satellites put into orbit will be located at an altitude of 290 kilometers and provide access to high-speed Internet.

    Falcon 9 started on January 6 at 21:19 local time (January 7, 05:19 Moscow time). Her first step, which had already been used three times before, landed on the Of Course I Still Love You floating platform (“Of course, I still love you”) in the Atlantic Ocean.

    SpaceX announced Starlink’s global Internet access program in 2015. It involves the launch of about 12 thousand satellites: 4425 devices at a height of 1,1 to 1,3 thousand kilometers and 7518 at a height of 335 to 346 kilometers. The claimed system bandwidth will be one gigabit per second per user.

    https://lenta.ru/news/2020/01/07/mullt/
    No, don't say, it's time, oh! it's time to introduce the "great Russian firewall" according to the Chinese model .... otherwise .... otherwise, someone will read the site "made by us" ..... yes
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 January 2020 22: 06
      -4
      It’s better to read. Made with us - than your everyday snotty snot.
  30. Dizel200
    Dizel200 8 January 2020 18: 33
    0
    And why the author -> author -> the author at the beginning of his article justifies the aftor, and those readers who do not consider him stupid and cattle?
  31. Sam-07
    Sam-07 8 January 2020 18: 48
    0
    GDP goes away in 2024. Looking for a "replacement". But a replacement for WHAT. Not WHOM, but "what's next?" .. all to heaven ???? )))))
    PS and if I'm an atheist? ))))
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 8 January 2020 19: 22
      -2
      Quote: Sam-07
      everything to heaven ????

      Quote: Sam-07
      What if I'm an atheist?

      Don’t worry, they are also accepted there, by the way, it will even be easier for you (there is less demand from such demand) Although, of course, you need to work hard, they won’t let you go for nothing.
  32. AleBors
    AleBors 8 January 2020 18: 56
    0
    Bravo, Roman! I see that yours is boiling. The reality is exactly as you describe. That's only to live until 2024. We and the country ...
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 8 January 2020 23: 35
      +4
      Quote: AleBors
      That's only to live until 2024.

      So a new national idea was born in the country, which will unite everyone - live and survive the year 2024! laughing laughing
  33. skobars
    skobars 8 January 2020 19: 57
    +4
    Let's be honest: when they worked for the honor of the country, the Soviet system was killed in the bud. Today, all these patriovopls look simply ridiculous, especially in the performance of government officials, whose kind and sweet faces do not fit on every screen .-- Unfortunately, this is true, and almost all of Russia's achievements are now mainly associated with the extraction and export of minerals. Why fight with us if we already distribute everything. Its industry was in decline, if it were not for maternal capital, then one would think that the government is completely hostile to Russia.
    1. uu1
      uu1 8 January 2020 20: 57
      -7
      Quote: skobars
      when they worked, including for the honor of the country

      It is ridiculous, especially from the airborne political commander, to hear that he worked.
      And he did not just work, but "worked for the honor of the country." laughing laughing laughing
      Absolute nonsense.
      Quote: skobars
      almost all of Russia's achievements are now mainly associated with the extraction and export of minerals.

      Don't be so upset. During the Soviet era, everything was exactly the same. Only you were not told about it. In order not to distract. From "work for the honor of the country."
      Quote: skobars
      if we give out everything

      You have not confused the Russian Federation with the USSR for an hour? It was the USSR that had a habit of giving everything to "friends". And the Russian Federation is selling more and more. For money.
      Quote: skobars
      Own industry in decline

      Unprofitable, that's in decline. 85% of the territory of the Russian Federation is the territory unsuitable for permanent residence of the population (except for natives) and the conduct of economic activity. And for the remaining 15% of the territories, the population density of the Russian Federation is too high.
      Quote: skobars
      if not for maternal capital

      Maternal capital must be urgently abolished. Since the government needs to stimulate NOT an increase, but a DECREASE in the number of population in the country. The effective area of ​​which is simply not able to properly feed as many people as live on it.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 8 January 2020 22: 16
        -1
        The effective area of ​​which is simply not able to properly feed so many people. Already feeds. But vertical hydroponic farms will allow to feed all of Russia all year round and significantly increase the export of agricultural crops - even beyond the Arctic Circle.
        1. uu1
          uu1 8 January 2020 22: 24
          -5
          Quote: Vadim237
          The effective area of ​​which is simply not able to properly feed so many people. Already feeds.

          At the end of 2018, the average Russian "cost" 4.167 euros.
          The border of citizens of the countries of the first and third world (world average level) 23.330 euros per nose.
          The border of citizens of developing countries of the third world (Russia also applies to them) and countries-losers is about 3.000 euros per nose.
          Draw your own conclusions.
  34. The Sparkle
    The Sparkle 8 January 2020 21: 53
    +6
    Roman, you denouncing modern power in the collapse of the military-industrial complex -
    *** (p.) Yes, just some 30 years ago, everything military in the country could be made entirely from domestic components and materials, using domestic equipment ... ***
    -
    do not forget to clarify that the united country / USSR / fell apart, as a result of which many military-industrial complex production remained in the newly formed states and became their property. And in general, it seems to me that you have fallen into the "sect" of "vsepalschikov".)))
    1. Den717
      Den717 11 January 2020 13: 18
      0
      Quote: Flame
      And in general, it seems to me that you have fallen into the "sect" of "all the scum".)))

      Moreover, the author is actively growing in the rank of propagandists of this sect laughing Along the way, I would have noticed that all materials for articles are taken exclusively from tyrnet without leaving the office. And no thought about why, for example, we need today, for example, hundreds of T-14s instead of the agreed regiment set, and what, for example, will be the deployment of a full-fledged serial production of these machines?
      Have you noticed such an interesting thing: the more “secret” the fuck is, the more you believe in it?

      Like, we all know what is more secret and what is less secret !!! Does the author seriously think that he is in a position to discuss what is classified as restricted? Likely sick !!! But what arrogance ?! VO readers are "hamsters" for him, and the whole community is
      such a sweet and dear stagnant swamp!

      Who does he think he is? A "great" guru without analytical skills? Laughter, and nothing more ... Although the author had interesting materials in his assets ... the truth is long ago ... Apparently age takes its toll, it has grown heavier ...
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    1. Kronos
      Kronos 9 January 2020 02: 23
      +3
      It's hard cheers patriots to accept the truth easier to write you're lying
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 9 January 2020 06: 37
        0
        It’s hard for all the fans to accept the truth, it’s easier to write you are lying.
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    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 9 January 2020 09: 56
      -1
      Quote: Oleg1
      Sevmash will transfer the Belgorod special-purpose submarine to the Russian Navy in 2020. About this, according to Interfax, said the first deputy general director of the enterprise Sergey Voronko.

      Great news! Just wonderful! Again! Again! "Will transmit". Not transferred, but, of course, will. It's about to start. A little more and will burst out. Right now, almost tomorrow ... When is the next deputy lying? Yes, always when he promises something ... but not today. So that we suffer a little, and then ...
      And who stably believes these deputies? Despite the fact that 12 pieces have a ceiling instead of thousands, and the remaining promises have not been fulfilled at all? What are the intellectual resources of these believers? Oh ...
  38. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 9 January 2020 09: 51
    -2
    It’s a paradox, but it’s precisely those pre-pensioners who have recently been thrown five years from the bounty of the president — they are the main hope and support of the military-industrial complex.
    Apparently, this was the ONLY goal of the pension reform. Apparently in five years, the Main Uncles are counting on stealing water-volitioners (finally! Really ?!) and dumping from "this country". Naturally, they are not going to pay people.
  39. Dmitry Zverev
    Dmitry Zverev 9 January 2020 12: 08
    +1
    Friends, so what is the conclusion of all of the above? How do we equip Russia? How to boost the economy? In our country there is at least one economist with higher education who could clearly put everything on the shelves? Or what, change the government, and the economy will immediately rise?
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    3. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 10 January 2020 11: 01
      0
      Mikhail Leontiev. What kind of education, in a world like him ... I won’t even name it right away. They kicked him out of government for trying to approve job descriptions for ministers. Can you imagine ?! Thanks did not kill ...
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 10 January 2020 11: 06
        0
        I apologize. Mikhail Khazin, of course. Thinking ...
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  41. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 9 January 2020 23: 30
    +2
    Lunatic, but imagines himself smart, like Napoleon only with a desire for anyone, but change to change power, which would be able to do everything at once and immediately, but it’s not known for what kind of grandmother Probably thinks that it’s possible to rivet rubles in the USA
  42. synodontis
    synodontis 11 January 2020 19: 14
    0
    Putin is a utopian. He is trying to combine the development of the country with the "Gaidar Readings." Well, this is incompatible neither earlier, nor now, nor in the future. Removing our economists from power and teaching will certainly do much less harm than their "work". But who will do it? Where is this real power?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 January 2020 23: 00
      -1
      You probably forgot where the collapse of the Russian economy went - remember the 2008th "Removal from power" And what this will give - absolutely nothing, money in the country itself will not be drawn, and even more so there will be no serious economic growth, but there will only be a growth chapel in region 3 % Of GDP per year, as now, since the sanctions and the external and internal markets still clogged with non-primary goods.
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  44. Amper
    Amper 11 January 2020 23: 22
    0
    Quote: Dmitry Zverev
    Friends, so what is the conclusion of all of the above? How do we equip Russia? How to boost the economy? In our country there is at least one economist with higher education who could clearly put everything on the shelves? Or what, change the government, and the economy will immediately rise?

    You can’t do anything with it already. Thieves and the economy !? This is a farce! Only a social revolution, as in 1917, I think so !? Maybe wrong? ...
    1. Nikolai
      Nikolai 13 January 2020 23: 21
      0
      In the 17th year there were 2 revolutions. What are you for?
      1. wchin
        wchin 13 January 2020 23: 34
        +1
        Quote: Nikolai Alexandrovich
        In the 17th year there were 2 revolutions.

        In 1917 there was one revolution, in March 1917
        There were no other particularly significant events of such a plan in Russia in 1917.
        1. Nikolai
          Nikolai 14 January 2020 16: 26
          0
          New, fresh.
  45. Nikolai
    Nikolai 12 January 2020 23: 08
    0
    This is already the third article by Skomorokhov that I (having previously washed my brains, gathered my will into a fist and agreed that I am a stool) had to read recently. Well, the clown does not like the public - they booed, threw tomatoes - offended. Like the people here are not the same. How so? I give them my powerful intellect, reprise, I open my eyes, and they give me a chemical abstraction in the room.
    You have a depression - roll.
    "I am often accused of being too pessimistic, but forgive me, but where does optimism come from" - do not try to conceive.
  46. Dzungar
    Dzungar 16 January 2020 21: 23
    0
    author -> author -> author, you as a teenager ... You need everything at once. And if not, then all this is garbage .......