Poland intends to ban Russia "to interpret history in its own way"

Poland intends to ban Russia "to interpret history in its own way"

Polish authorities intend to ban Russia "interpret history from their point of view "and" overshadowing the history of the Second World War ". For this, a special bill is being developed in the Polish Sejm. This was announced on Twitter by the vice speaker of the Polish Sejm Malgožata Kidava Blonska.


At the next meeting, the Polish parliament intends to consider a bill on "suppressing Russia's alleged attempt to reassign history and slander against Poland." Currently, the Seimas Committee on Foreign Policy is working on a bill to submit it for consideration. We intend to complete the work this Wednesday.

For the fight against lies about Poland and history to bear fruit, it must be waged constantly and persistently

- said Kidava Blonska.

Recall that Poland argues that the USSR, along with fascist Germany, unleashed the Second World War, and the Molotov-Ribbentropp Pact concluded between the countries serves as evidence of this. In addition, Warsaw is very dissatisfied with the recent statement by Russian President Vladimir Putin, who called the Polish ambassador to Nazi Germany, Jozef Lipsky, “a bastard and an anti-Semitic pig.” According to the Russian leader, the Polish diplomat in the 1930s supported Adolf Hitler and his idea of ​​sending Polish Jews to Africa "for extinction and destruction" and promised to erect a monument to Hitler in Warsaw for this.
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  1. Victor_B 7 January 2020 08: 47 New
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    The Polish authorities intend to ban Russia from "interpreting history from its point of view" and "from overturning the history of World War II."

    Something, somehow it became even scary!
    What if they show us a "goat"?
    Or (just horror, horror !!!) - "gored"!
    1. Olgovich 7 January 2020 09: 00 New
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      Quote: Victor_B
      Something, somehow it became even scary!

      The State Duma has long had time to adopt a resolution on WWII start date -1 1938 October, thewhen together with Germany and Hungary Poland ptore apart Czechoslovakia.

      Enough to ignore and not notice! The truth-uterus poke these bastards!
      1. Michał Rakowski 7 January 2020 09: 16 New
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        It is true that in 1938, Polish troops occupied Zaolzie, but it is also true that on September 17, Russia attacked Poland ....
        1. AU Ivanov. 7 January 2020 09: 32 New
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          If in 1920 Poland stopped on the Curzon line and did not expand its territory to the east, then in 1939 there would be no talk of any Soviet attack on Poland.
          1. Michał Rakowski 7 January 2020 09: 35 New
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            The Riga Treaty recognized the Polish-Russian border. On September 17, Russia violated the agreement and the treaty.
            1. Dur_mod 7 January 2020 10: 05 New
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              Ukraine attacked Poland in order to regain its historical lands, we still have an unfinished conversation about Przemysl, Helm and our other lands ... which Stalin left Poland after a WWII misunderstanding.
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                1. Flooding 7 January 2020 17: 49 New
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                  Quote: ssm
                  So who was least asked what to do with the results of the 2MB, it was the native king Dzhugashvilyu.

                  Moderators should ban mercilessly for such fetid attacks.
                  It was still not enough for foreign anonymous authors to slander Stalin.
                2. Albert1988 7 January 2020 22: 54 New
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                  Quote: ssm
                  So who was least asked what to do with the results of the 2MB, it was the native king Dzhugashvilyu.

                  This "native kingdom" was one of TWO (!) Architects of the post-war world, and was the ruler of one of TWO (!) Superpowers in the post-war world ...
                  So it’s not you who will ask him, he will tell you himself, and when he wants ...
              2. RUSS 7 January 2020 11: 31 New
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                Quote: Dur_mod
                Ukraine attacked Poland in order to regain its historical lands,

                This does not justify aggression
            2. lucul 7 January 2020 10: 07 New
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              The Riga Treaty recognized the Polish-Russian border. On September 17, Russia violated the agreement and the treaty.

              How many years has been signed? ))))
              There is also the third section of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, according to which it disappeared from world maps for 100 years. You do not blame the violation of this section (the formation of Poland)? No ?
              Then you have a very selective memory .....
              1. ssm
                ssm 7 January 2020 11: 30 New
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                Quote: lucul
                You do not blame the violation of this section (the formation of Poland)? No ?

                In fact, the last contract has legal force. And all the rest of the contract, before him, is an artistic whistle.
                1. lucul 7 January 2020 12: 07 New
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                  In fact, the last contract has legal force. And all the rest of the contract, before him, is an artistic whistle.

                  Then you got into a puddle even more)))
                  Because there is the most recent treaty — the Treaty between the USSR and the Polish Republic on the Soviet-Polish state border — an international treaty signed in Moscow on August 16, 1945.
                  Accordingly, this Riga Treaty, FOR YOURSELF is an artistic whistle))))
                2. kpd
                  kpd 7 January 2020 12: 33 New
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                  The contract expires upon changing the legal ownership of the property or object.
                  So the Riga contract was canceled upon. An agreement on the definition of the border between the USSR and the Reich entered into force; no Poland was already observed there.
                  1. Michał Rakowski 7 January 2020 12: 38 New
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                    The contract may be denounced only by one of the parties. The contract was valid on September 17, Russia violated it ...
                    1. Svarog51 7 January 2020 15: 49 New
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                      The Riga Agreement was signed by the RSFSR; in 1922, the USSR was formed. Where is the agreement between Poland and the USSR? He appeared on August 16, 1945. So what are you talking about? And the land is now attached to the sovereign Ukraine and Belarus. What does Russia have to do with it? Or do you want war again? We do not want. The Reich has firmly won you, the USSR has set you free. You still did not want to remain sovereign. The Americans crushed you softly and almost not noticeably for you. What else do you want? Live and rejoice.
                      1. ssm
                        ssm 7 January 2020 16: 10 New
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                        Quote: Svarog51
                        The Riga Agreement was signed by the RSFSR; in 1922, the USSR was formed. Where is the agreement between Poland and the USSR?

                        But nothing that the RSFSR entered the USSR and the USSR, thereby accepting obligations of the RSFSR?
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        He appeared on August 16, 1945.

                        He appeared much later, after 1991, and with the Russian Federation.
                        And in 1945 there was an agreement between the USSR and Poland. But Poland, this is not Poland.
                        Quote: Svarog51
                        The USSR freed you.

                        Whom did the USSR liberate? The USSR did not liberate Poland. He intercepted it (from the Germans), and then eliminated it, creating in its place his puppet of the NDP. Which had nothing to do with Poland.
                      2. Svarog51 7 January 2020 16: 29 New
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                        But nothing that the RSFSR entered the USSR and the USSR, thereby accepting obligations of the RSFSR?

                        No. The USSR is a larger state education. At the congress of the Supreme Council they could also denounce the treaty. There was no time for you, it was necessary to raise the country out of ruin.
                        He appeared much later, after 1991, and with the Russian Federation.
                        And in 1945 there was an agreement between the USSR and Poland. But Poland, this is not Poland.

                        If Poland is not Poland, then Russia is not the whole of the USSR. What's wrong? If you have an agreement with the Russian Federation, then what else do you need? Write yourself that the last contract has legal force, but it cancels all previous ones. Want to tear it up? So this is a direct call to war. I can’t even answer you, or they will even consider me the arsonist of a new war. And I’m a peaceful person, almost.
                        Whom did the USSR liberate? The USSR did not liberate Poland. He intercepted it (from the Germans), and then eliminated it, creating in its place his puppet of the NDP. Which had nothing to do with Poland.

                        However, the NDP was not a protectorate with external control. Yours ruled there. And with the collapse of the USSR, the troops were withdrawn. Now turn to the new owners, why are you throwing everything to Russia? Scary to argue with the Americans?
                  2. Albert1988 7 January 2020 22: 57 New
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                    Quote: Michał Rakowski
                    The contract may be denounced only by one of the parties. The contract was valid on September 17, Russia violated it ...

                    But how could Russia violate the agreement with Poland in 1939, if the USSR existed then? And the second question - how, let Russia, could violate the agreement with the state, which by September 17th ceased to exist (the government cowardly fled to the territory of Romania)?
          2. Olgovich 7 January 2020 10: 21 New
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            Quote: Michał Rakowski
            The Riga Treaty recognized the Polish-Russian border. On September 17, Russia violated the agreement and the treaty.

            Poland VIOLATED the partition of Poland from October 24, 1795
            With what fright recognize .... the so-called. Riga agreement? ? belay
            1. ssm
              ssm 7 January 2020 11: 31 New
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              Quote: Olgovich
              Poland VIOLATED the partition of Poland from October 24, 1795
              With what fright recognize .... the so-called. Riga agreement? ?

              In fact, the last contract has legal force. And all the rest of the contract, before him, is an artistic whistle.
              1. Olgovich 7 January 2020 11: 56 New
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                Quote: ssm
                In fact, it has legal force last contract. And all the rest of the contract, before him, is an artistic whistle.

                so I’m talking about: BEFORE the Riga Agreement, the Section Agreement of 1795 was in force and this is no longer a whistle. and he was grossly violated!
                Bastards .....
                1. ssm
                  ssm 7 January 2020 16: 12 New
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                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Before the Riga Agreement, the Section Agreement of 1795 was in force and this is no longer a whistle. and he was grossly violated!

                  Actually, the contract was violated by the RSFSR and the Red Army, going to the Polish campaign Tukhachevsky. Since the contract was violated by its (campaign) results, a new contract was drawn up. Riga.
                  1. Albert1988 7 January 2020 23: 02 New
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                    Quote: ssm
                    Actually, the contract was violated by the RSFSR and the Red Army, going to the Polish campaign Tukhachevsky.

                    Og, but is it anything that the Polish army had previously committed aggression against the independent Belarus and Ukraine to the aid of which the Red Army came? Selectively remember the story, dear Poles ...
              2. kkoltovnik 7 January 2020 12: 01 New
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                The last agreement was the agreement between the USSR and the Polish Republic on the Soviet-Polish state border, signed in Moscow on August 16, 1945.
                1. ssm
                  ssm 7 January 2020 16: 18 New
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                  Quote: kkoltovnik
                  The last treaty was a treaty between the USSR and the Polish Republic

                  Not the Polish Republic, but the Polish People’s Republic. And these are different things.
                  In this agreement, Poland transferred the USSR to Zap. Belarus, Zap. Ukraine and the Vilnius region of the USSR, and in return received the so-called "returned lands."
                  These are the lands that the USSR received from Germany as raparations, and then exchanged them for the West. Belarus, Zap. Ukraine and the Vilnius region of Poland.
                  This treaty entered into force on February 06.02.1946, 1939. Thus, these lands were not transferred to the USSR in 1946, but in XNUMX. And not by the Second Polish Campaign, but by the exchange of territories.
                  True, not with Poland, but with the NDP. And this is a very delicate place.
                  1. Crimean 7 January 2020 21: 28 New
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                    These are the lands that the USSR received from Germany as raparations, and then exchanged them for the West. Belarus, Zap. Ukraine and the Vilnius region of Poland
                    And where are the applications for the return of Germany to its lands? After all, are they illegal?
              3. Terenin 7 January 2020 20: 04 New
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                Quote: ssm
                And all the rest of the contract, before him, is an artistic whistle.

                This is Poland, in history, with an artistic whistle and dance "Krakowyak", flew and offered its services from one empire to another.

                Quote: ssm
                In fact, the last contract has legal force.

                Do not worry, as a result, they will give you the last word.
          3. hhhhhhh 7 January 2020 11: 01 New
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            The USSR did the right thing. Who does not think so, and May 9, 1945 is not Victory Day.
          4. mark1 7 January 2020 11: 10 New
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            In connection with the loss of statehood by Poland, Russia did not violate anything.
            1. ssm
              ssm 7 January 2020 11: 32 New
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              Quote: mark1
              In connection with the loss of statehood by Poland, Russia did not violate anything.

              1. Russia in 1039 was not. It was the USSR.
              2. What other loss of statehood? Poland in 1939 did not lose any statehood. There was only a temporary occupation of its territory.
              1. Albert1988 7 January 2020 23: 45 New
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                What other loss of statehood? Poland in 1939 did not lose any statehood. There was only a temporary occupation of its territory.


                On September 17, 1939, the Polish government fled to Romania ...
                That’s the loss of statehood ...
                About the "temporary" occupation - then NOBODY considered it temporary, especially England and France ...
            2. Michał Rakowski 7 January 2020 11: 34 New
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              Poland has existed for 1000 years and will exist. Can you Russians understand that? Is it too hard for you?
              1. mark1 7 January 2020 11: 44 New
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                Quote: ssm
                There was only a temporary occupation of its territory.

                And who knew in 1939, everyone decided that forever.
                Quote: Michał Rakowski
                Poland has existed for 1000 years and will exist. Can you Russians understand that? Is it too hard for you?

                It’s not hard at all. Yes, at least the Black and Baltic Seas dug together with the Ukrainians, but statehood is somewhat different, it spread until the age of 39 (on dubious grounds) in territories that were not ethnic for the Poles, so with the loss of statehood the right to own this territory was lost.
                1. Michał Rakowski 7 January 2020 12: 15 New
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                  Russia also spread. Will China occupy the Far East and will there be aggression?
                  1. Svarog51 7 January 2020 16: 39 New
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                    Mihai hi Sorry if the name is not written correctly. China does not like the Russian Far East - the weather is cold there. Colleagues with the Far East have long explained. Why, again, crush the water in the mortar?
                  2. Albert1988 7 January 2020 23: 06 New
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                    Quote: Michał Rakowski
                    Russia also spread. Will China occupy the Far East and will there be aggression?

                    China, unlike Poland itself, has a very smart and pragmatic leadership, which benefits in relations with Russia in other ways ... hi
              2. A good one 7 January 2020 16: 49 New
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                Quote: Michał Rakowski
                Poland has existed for 1000 years and will exist. Can you Russians understand that? Is it too hard for you?

                Yes exist yes , you yourself can understand this, please, so as not to get under your feet. laughing
                My joy, if it were not for the moderators, compassionate to such guests, and so as not to defame the site, I would press you one place before the signal "I agree and obey and my spirit will not be here." wink
              3. Pete mitchell 7 January 2020 18: 43 New
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                Quote: Michał Rakowski
                Poland has existed for 1000 years and will exist.

                Looking at the extravagant deeds of your patron and how your country is trying to fit his country into p ... helpers - you begin to doubt whether Poland wants to continue to exist .. Would you be independent in actions, it would be easier for everyone
                1. Svarog51 7 January 2020 19: 00 New
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                  Tramp, my respect hi Poland lived under a protectorate, and here sovereignty. What to do with it is unclear. How to live further - too. The hosts were quickly found. Now everything is clear - under whose tune to sing. Iraq in this regard looks much more profitable. Although under amer, but does not give up. Respect for independence is already a cause. good
              4. Albert1988 7 January 2020 23: 04 New
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                Poland has existed for 1000 years and will exist. Can you Russians understand that? Is it too hard for you?

                May God exist with you! The main thing - Poland should NOT in any case try to build "Rzhep Pospolita" "from mozh to mozh" again, otherwise it risks to cease to exist forever!
          5. Krasnoyarsk 7 January 2020 12: 34 New
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            Quote: Michał Rakowski
            The Riga Treaty recognized the Polish-Russian border. On September 17, Russia violated the agreement and the treaty.

            A bit wrong. The Riga Treaty established the Polish-Russian border following the results of the war between Russia and Poland. And no one in the world recognized this boundary. since the border along the Curzon line was recognized.
            1. Michał Rakowski 7 January 2020 12: 57 New
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              Then why did Russia sign the treaty in Riga without recognizing the border with Poland? Does Russia not recognize the treaties it contains?
              1. Unknown 7 January 2020 13: 20 New
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                Poland also signed a treaty with the Czech Republic. Wikipedia link ............. After the collapse of Austria-Hungary on November 5, 1918, the Polish government of the Tieszyn Principality - the National Council of the Tieszyn Principality (Polish: Rada Narodowa Księstwa Cieszyńskiego) - signed an agreement with the Czech local government (Czech Národní výbor pro Slezsko) on the division of Tesinska Silesia. On January 23, 1919, Czechoslovakia, however, sent troops into the Cieszyn region and occupied it; On February 3, a ceasefire took place.

                It was planned to hold a plebiscite in the disputed territory in 1920, but the situation was so tense that this idea was abandoned. On July 10, Poland and Czechoslovakia applied for international arbitration, and by the decision of the conference in the Spa on July 28, the region was divided: Czechoslovakia received 58,1% of the territory where 67,9% of the population lived. Since the opinion of the local population was not taken into account, this result did not satisfy either side. Since the border was drawn along the Olsha River, the eastern part of Tieszyn Silesia with the predominantly Polish population became known in Poland as “Zaolzie” .......... which did not prevent Poland from bringing troops into the Tieszyn region in 1938. what does it mean? what claims to the USSR ?.
              2. Krasnoyarsk 7 January 2020 14: 04 New
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                Quote: Michał Rakowski
                Then why did Russia sign the treaty in Riga without recognizing the border with Poland? Does Russia not recognize the treaties it contains?

                I explain to the illiterate.
                = The Council of People's Commissars of the RSFSR by its decree canceled the international treaties of the Russian Empire with Prussia and Austria. Among others, agreements regarding the sections of the Commonwealth were canceled. Thus, the Soviet government refused any claims to the territory of Poland and recognized its independence. However, the Polish authorities tried to restore the once existing empire and captured the western regions of Ukraine and Belarus. =
                This is how the Poles “thanked” the Russians for the freedom and recognition of the independent Polish state.
                Taking advantage of the economic and military weakness of the RSFSR, Poland, seizing the lands of Ukraine and Belarus, forced the RSFSR to sign the Riga Treaty.
                The USSR, formed in 1922, could have denounced this treaty and returned these lands by force, but did not want to shed blood on it for either Poles or Soviet citizens. And when in 1939 the Polish government fled in a hurry and Poland as a state ceased to exist, the USSR had no one to present a note about the denunciation of the Riga Treaty and, in order not to give its land to the aggressor, Germany, sent troops to the western lands of Ukraine and Belarus.
                By the way, the denunciation of treaties is a normal international practice.
                And again, by the way, the Polish government, before fleeing, gave the order not to resist the Soviet troops.
          6. Fitter65 7 January 2020 13: 41 New
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            Quote: Michał Rakowski
            On September 17, Russia violated the agreement and the treaty.

            But Russia did not violate anything. It's just that the state with which she concluded, under duress, this agreement ceased to exist. The Germans simply smeared you as mashed potatoes, along with your Polish ambition on asphalt. And all, if the USSR wanted the NDP and would not have taken place after World War II, I.V. would have done Stalin Warsaw Autonomy, at best. And no matter what you blather, but you were allowed to create, once again, a state. Yes, even to refresh historical memory, when Poland emerged as a state after the collapse of the Russian Empire, it also barked at its neighbors, in the hope that Great Britain and France would be stuck for it. Well, how and how did your allies help you in 1939?
        2. ssm
          ssm 7 January 2020 11: 25 New
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          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          If in 1920 Poland stopped on the Curzon line and did not expand its territory to the east,

          This expansion was the result of an unsuccessful attack by the RSFSR on Poland (Polish campaign). Those. these lands were received by Poland as reparations. Which was fixed by the Riga Peace Treaty.
          1. mark1 7 January 2020 11: 46 New
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            Quote: ssm
            received by Poland as a supply. Which was fixed by the Riga Peace Treaty

            There is no state, no contracts.
          2. Oleg (Kharkov) 7 January 2020 13: 06 New
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            Quote: ssm
            This expansion was the result of the unsuccessful attack of the RSFSR on Poland

            don't understand why the cons? what did you write wrong?
            1. A good one 7 January 2020 18: 51 New
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              Quote: Oleg (Kharkov)
              Quote: ssm
              This expansion was the result of the unsuccessful attack of the RSFSR on Poland

              don't understand why the cons? what did you write wrong?

              Yes, because you are SBU-Schnick, Olezhka. Can’t you calm down? It seems they scolded you, again I watch a patch on the wind you hold. wink
              1. Oleg (Kharkov) 8 January 2020 23: 54 New
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                Can’t you calm down?

                leave me alone, hoaxer!
            2. Albert1988 8 January 2020 13: 46 New
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              don't understand why the cons? what did you write wrong?

              Because HISTORY needs to be taught! HOW could the RSFSR attack Poland if there were Belarus and Ukraine between them? Maybe it attacked that Poland first sponsored the uprising of the "Polish corps" in Belarus, and then the Polish natsik and future friend of Adolf Aloizic, pan Pilsudski, included these rebels in the Polish army and launched an invasion of the territory of independent states where there was no Polish population ?
          3. Albert1988 8 January 2020 13: 42 New
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            Quote: ssm
            This expansion was the result of the unsuccessful attack of the RSFSR on Poland

            Get involved! What RSFSR attacked Poland! You are our competent! Poland, remember this (!) And remember well - the FIRST invaded the territory of the socialist republics of Belarus and Ukraine, using the pretext of the uprising of the "Polish corps" there (and then you say something about the actions of Russia in the Donbass, og!), Only after this, the "Polish campaign" of Tukhachevsky began - as an aid to the RSFSR allied to Belarus and Ukraine!
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              Quote: Albert1988
              What RSFSR attacked Poland!

              Do not know what the RSFSR is?
              Quote: Albert1988
              Poland, remember this (!) And remember well - the FIRST invaded the territory of the socialist republics of Belarus and Ukraine

              Do not invent, there were no "socialist republics" then.
              In addition, what relation did the RSFSR have to Ukraine and Belarus? Absolutely no.
              Quote: Albert1988
              only after that did Tukhachevsky's “Polish campaign” begin - as an aid to the RSFSR to the allied Belarus and Ukraine!

              What else, allied? Belarus and Ukraine became allied with respect to the RSFSR in 1924. And the RSFSR attacked Poland in 1919.
              1. Albert1988 8 January 2020 15: 12 New
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                Do not know what the RSFSR is?

                I know perfectly well, maybe even better than you, dear)))

                Quote: uu1
                Do not invent, there were no "socialist republics" then.
                In addition, what relation did the RSFSR have to Ukraine and Belarus? Absolutely no.

                Og was not, how can))))) Poland in that case, then, too, there was none)))))
                And what did they relate to? And the simple thing is allied relations))))) Like Poland with England and France in the 39th wink

                Quote: uu1
                What else, allied? Belarus and Ukraine became allied with respect to the RSFSR in 1924. And the RSFSR attacked Poland in 1919.

                You dear. illiterate - the USSR arose in 1922 (!)!
                The Ukrainian SSR arose on March 10, 1919, the SSRB (socialist Belarus) arose on January 1, 1919!

                And Poland began the "heroic" construction of its "dwarf empire" with the attack in December 1919 on INDEPENDENT Lithuania! And the capture of Vilna, from where it was knocked out by the Red Army ... Subsequently, the Polish panov refused to determine the border between Poland and Belarus, setting as their goal the capture of the Belarusian, and at the same time, Ukrainian territories. Naturally, the recently emerged socialist republics of Belarus and Ukraine entered into an alliance with the RSFSR ...

                Learn the whole story, dear, you will understand that Poland Pilsudski is an imperialist criminal, and your beloved pan Pilsudski is a great friend of Adolf Hitler than the same Mussolini!
                1. uu1
                  uu1 8 January 2020 15: 29 New
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                  Quote: Albert1988
                  And the simple thing is allied relations))))) Like Poland with England and France in the 39th

                  Do not equal the RSFSR with Britain. Britain at that moment was the OWNER of planet Earth. What Britain could have was impossible to the RSFSR.
                  Legally, in 1919 the RSFSR did not exist. Like Ukraine and Belarus. Therefore, in fact, the Red Army was just a big gang. Invading Poland and defeated by the Poles.
                  Quote: Albert1988
                  You dear. illiterate - the USSR arose in 1922 (!)!

                  If I clicked on the wrong number, it really doesn’t mean anything.
                  Quote: Albert1988
                  The Ukrainian SSR arose on March 10, 1919, the SSRB (socialist Belarus) arose on January 1, 1919!

                  Perfectly. As soon as they arose, and exclusively on Bolshevik pieces of paper. But in fact they did not exist.
                  Quote: Albert1988
                  And Poland began the "heroic" construction of its "dwarf empire" with the attack in December 1919 on INDEPENDENT Lithuania! And the capture of Vilna, from where it was knocked out by the Red Army ...

                  And what relation did the Red Army have in Lithuania and Vilna? Is she a plug in every hole?
                  Quote: Albert1988
                  Subsequently Polish Panov

                  You are somewhat confused by the respectful appeal of the Poles to each other "pan." Accustomed to the redneck?
                  Quote: Albert1988
                  refused to determine the border between Poland and Belarus, with the goal of seizing the Belarusian, and at the same time, Ukrainian territories.

                  All this is fine, the RSFSR has to do with it? Where is Ukraine with Belarus, and where is Russia?
                  Quote: Albert1988
                  Naturally, the recently emerged socialist republics of Belarus and Ukraine entered into an alliance with the RSFSR ...

                  In the Criminal Codec, such “treaties” are called “criminal conspiracy”.
                  Yes, agreements between gangs (and the RSFSR and its other "allies" in 1919 were precisely armed gangs) are called so in the Criminal Code.
                  Quote: Albert1988
                  that Poland Pilsudski is an imperialist criminal, and your beloved pan Pilsudski is a great friend of Adolf Hitler than the same Mussolini!

                  You pay less attention to Pilsudski, Hitler and Mussolini. And more evaluate the criminal acts of Ulyanov, Dzhugashvili and other "leaders".
                  1. Albert1988 8 January 2020 17: 02 New
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                    Do not equal the RSFSR with Britain. Britain at that moment was the OWNER of planet Earth. What Britain could have was impossible to the RSFSR.

                    And after that you say that someone lives in a virtual world?
                    In this case, I’ll answer you simply - the USSR in the 39th was a “co-owner” of Eastern Europe and the fact that the USSR could not be Poland))))
                    Further discussion, in principle, can be closed.

                    I’ll say one last thing - even if we assume, as in mathematics, that the USSR committed armed aggression against Poland by violating "international law", then this does not matter in the framework of the same model, for Poland was a militaristic criminal who committed a whole series of crimes aggressive acts against neighbors and the rejection of a number of territories not belonging to it. That is, its liquidation did not have anything in itself reprehensible, especially in light of the fact that Poland was Hitler’s convinced ally, the first to sign an allied treaty with him))))
                    And Poland has nothing to object to, and that is why it freaks out ...

                    Py.Sy .:
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                    You pay less attention to Pilsudski, Hitler and Mussolini. And more evaluate the criminal acts of Ulyanov, Dzhugashvili and other "leaders".

                    Only after (it is possible and at the same time) how Poland will pay attention to the crimes of Pilsudski and his other "leaders"))))) hi
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                      In this case, I’ll answer you simply - the USSR in the 39th was a “co-owner” of Eastern Europe

                      Only in your pink and slobbering dreams.
                      30.07.1941/1939/XNUMX, the USSR returned all of its "territorial acquisitions in XNUMX in Poland" to this same Poland (Sikorsky-May Agreement). Because so he was ordered to do the Anglo-Saxons.
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                      then in the framework of the same model this does not matter, because Poland was a militaristic criminal, guilty of committing a number of aggressive acts against neighbors

                      Try to kill a repeat offender. Very surprised by the reaction to this law enforcement.
                      However, all Soviet people have a moral curve and double standards.
                      Quote: Albert1988
                      how Poland will pay attention to the crimes of Pilsudski and his other "leaders"

                      Pilsudski Crimes? Which specifically? In addition to the friendship you had imagined with Hitler (was this a crime until September 01.09.1939, XNUMX?), Nothing else was noticed behind him.
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                      Only in your pink and slobbering dreams.
                      30.07.1941/1939/XNUMX, the USSR returned all of its "territorial acquisitions in XNUMX in Poland" to this same Poland (Sikorsky-May Agreement). Because so he was ordered to do the Anglo-Saxons.

                      I wrote about this in the comments below, and about the fact that the orders of the "Anglo-Saxons" were not enough for a long time, not otherwise than Voldemort stole the elderberry wand))))
                      Quote: uu1
                      Try to kill a repeat offender. Very surprised by the reaction to this law enforcement.
                      However, all Soviet people have a moral curve and double standards.

                      No, it’s just that a recidivist criminal, who suffered from his own, suddenly began to build himself a conscientious citizen, instead of honestly admit that I had bloodsuckers on my hands, and then draw a conclusion from this whole story and not show off))))

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                      Pilsudski Crimes? Which specifically? In addition to the friendship you had imagined with Hitler (was this a crime until September 01.09.1939, XNUMX?), Nothing else was noticed behind him.

                      Friendship with Hitler is a crime in itself for a leader of a democratic country! Considering Aloizych’s undisguised anti-Semitism in the presence of the huge Jewish population of Poland))) And yes - learn the whole story - and you will learn about Hitler’s friendship with Pilsudski ...
                      And if on trifles - Pilsudski invaded independent Lithuania (from which he chopped off the capital!), Invaded independent Belarus and Ukraine, from which chopped off large pieces of the territory where the Poles did not live, the creation of the first with his knowledge in Poland (!) large concentration camps of death - BEFORE than in Germany (!), where 60000 Soviet prisoners of war were rotted!
                      This is more than enough!
                      Well, then the pilotschucks happily participated in the criminal section of Czechoslovakia ...
                      So then you are surprised that someone else also divided Poland? Is the mantra "and us for sho" strong and proud nobility?

                      In this regard, I want to wish you good luck and health in the new year! Live peacefully and learn from history, and do not try to make yourself a victim as a "recidivist", and then everything will be fine))))
                      До скорого hi
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                      Friendship with Hitler is a crime in itself for a leader of a democratic country!

                      Horror. But what about the Dzhugashviley, who was friends with him directly until June 21.06.1941, XNUMX, inclusive?
                      But what about the Olympics in Berlin in 1936? Criminal decision and criminal participation?
                      Quote: Albert1988
                      Pilsudski invaded independent Lithuania (in which he chopped off the capital!), Invaded independent Belarus and Ukraine, in which he chopped off large pieces of territory

                      What do you want from this? Are you Lithuanian-Belarusian-Ukrainian?
                      Quote: Albert1988
                      the creation with his knowledge in Poland of the first (!) large concentration camps of death - BEFORE than in Germany (!), where 60000 Soviet prisoners of war were rotted!

                      Where did the Soviet prisoners of war come from Poland, if the RSFSR attacked Poland in 1919, the war ended in 1920, and the USSR was formed in 1922?
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                      Pilsudchiks happily participated in the criminal section of Czechoslovakia ...

                      Ahhhh. I understand you are Czech.
                      No, not Czech. A plug for each hole. Poking her nose everywhere and waiting to be squeaked.
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                      Horror. But what about the Dzhugashviley, who was friends with him directly until June 21.06.1941, XNUMX, inclusive?
                      But what about the Olympics in Berlin in 1936? Criminal decision and criminal participation?

                      Exactly! Horror - Stalin, you see, that Nazi established relations with Nazi Germany only in the 39th year, and then, after England and France did not sign any allied treaties, and Germany itself jumped up and began to intensely ask for a non-aggression treaty, this is Stalin himself - "criminal", and Pilsudsky, personally with Hitler in good relations and friendly with alozych already since 1934 (the first to be friends!) - A normal citizen, nothing like that ...
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                      What do you want from this? Are you Lithuanian-Belarusian-Ukrainian?

                      I have a lot of relatives in Belarus, and my paternal grandfather comes from Ukraine, he was born, by the way in 1921, and my great-grandfather and great-grandmother lived there before the revolution ...
                      And then - what about you, what are you - a Pole?
                      Quote: uu1
                      Where did the Soviet prisoners of war come from Poland, if the RSFSR attacked Poland in 1919, the war ended in 1920, and the USSR was formed in 1922?

                      First, the RSFSR did NOT attack Poland, and the captured Red Army soldiers from the RFSR will be called Soviet in the same way, since the RSFSR is the Russian Soviet Federal Socialist Republic))))
                      Quote: uu1
                      Ahhhh. I understand you are Czech.
                      No, not Czech. A plug for each hole. Poking her nose everywhere and waiting to be squeaked.

                      So far only your restless nose, citizen Carbine, and another 100-500 insignificant nicknames under which you repeatedly appeared on the site and on some other resources) are pinched)))) The style of your pseudo-historical presentation is so recognizable that it will make you like a nasty voice recognizable even in the dark))))
                      Therefore, before you are once again banned, I want to wish you good health and happiness in the new year))) I will not congratulate the Orthodox on Christmas - now they don’t celebrate it with the Tomos, but celebrate Catholic (now it is officially a state holiday! about how!) and congratulate him too late))))
                      And as for my nationality, I speak openly - I am Russian, and like any Russian, I have a lot of blood mixed up - both Jews, Estonians, and Siberian Tatars, have gone to hell, and to dig further - so generally the Austrians and Germans crawl out))))
      2. Oleg (Kharkov) 8 January 2020 23: 47 New
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        nobody argues! remember the campaign of the Red Army in the Baltic states and Belarus (1918-1919)
        Historians see this war as part of a civil war!
        https://topwar.ru/82483-sovetsko-polskaya-voyna-1920-goda.html - вот статья интересная на ВО была.
        "But here a sense of proportion changed the Bolshevik leaders. The success of the counter-offensive against Polish aggression generated hope among them for proletarian uprisings in Europe and the victory of the world revolution. At that time, Leon Trotsky directly proposed" to probe the revolutionary situation in Europe with the Red Army bayonet. "
        L. D. Trotsky: Lenin had a firm plan: to finish the job, that is, to enter Warsaw to help the Polish working masses overturn the Pilsudski government and seize power
  2. Reklastik 7 January 2020 12: 23 New
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    But there was no attack on Poland in 1939 by the USSR. This state did not already exist. The entry of troops was, and there was an announcement of the reasons why this was done. Who would declare war, even if it started? Even Germany declared war on the USSR, albeit with deliberate delay. And in Poland there was no longer any defense against the Germans, nor a government.
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    If in 1920 Poland stopped on the Curzon line

    If Napoleon Tukhachevsky in 1920 would stop on the Curzon line and not go to Warsaw ...
  4. Michał Rakowski 7 January 2020 14: 41 New
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    Why can't Russia live in peace without attacking its neighbors?
    1. Den717 7 January 2020 15: 38 New
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      In fact, these are the Poles from the moment of the restoration of their country that got along with all their neighbors. Poland occupied part of Lithuania, occupied Kiev for a while. You read the story, and then get into a conversation. By the way, in 1939 the Poles did not declare war on us. Why? England and France too. Wipe your snot and do not ride here on the ears. Accuses Putin of lying? Prove on documents, not on your fabrications.
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        Quote: Den717
        By the way, in 1939 the Poles did not declare war on us. Why?

        Because the USSR declared war on Poland. A war is not declared 2 times. USSR from 22.06.1941/08.05.1945/XNUMX to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX Germany also announced nothing.
        Quote: Den717
        England and France too

        It just shows that the Anglo-Saxons needed Germany. And Poland became the bait on which they caught Germany.
        But the USSR was not interesting to them at all. Therefore, the similar action of the USSR against Poland was passed by the Anglo-Saxons.
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          Present a document declaring war on Poland in 1939, for starters. And then all the other discussions.
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          Quote: ssm
          Because the USSR declared war on Poland. A war is not declared 2 times. USSR from 22.06.1941/08.05.1945/XNUMX to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX Germany also announced nothing.

          Firstly, in the 39th, the USSR did NOT declare war on Poland, because Poland no longer existed!

          Quote: ssm
          It just shows that the Anglo-Saxons needed Germany. And Poland became the bait on which they caught Germany.
          But the USSR was not interesting to them at all. Therefore, the similar action of the USSR against Poland was passed by the Anglo-Saxons.

          Og, the USSR was NOT interesting to them! And why did the Anglo-Saxons raise Nazi Germany, turning a blind eye to all its crimes and participated in these crimes? To set Aloizycha against the USSR))) Teach history, and you will be happy))))

          Py.Sy .: You know. What is the main problem of modern Poland? The fact that her leadership is climbing hard to kiss the boots of the Anglo-Saxon elites who brazenly threw this very Poland at the most critical moment for her! And God forbid, such a moment will come for Poland now, it will throw it in the same way, and no one will help Poland again, neither NATO, nor any other "allies" ...
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            Quote: Albert1988
            Firstly, the USSR in the 39th did NOT declare war on Poland,

            An attack without a declaration of war, is this not a war at all?
            And what? Outdoor picnic riding a tank?
            Quote: Albert1988
            because Poland no longer existed!

            These are your inventions.
            Here is the order of the Polish commander in chief, Marshal Rydz-Smigly, from 17.09.1939/XNUMX/XNUMX:
            The tips have invaded. I order the withdrawal to Romania and Hungary by the shortest routes. We shall not conduct combat operations with the Soviets, only if they try to disarm our units. The task for Warsaw and Modlin, which must defend themselves against the Germans, is unchanged. The units to which the Soviets approached should negotiate with them with a view to leaving the garrisons in Romania or Hungary. ... Parts of the CPC and parts that covered the “Romanian platform” - continue to resist

            Quote: Albert1988
            And why Anglo-Saxons Germany raised Nazi

            Germany was fueled not by the Anglo-Saxons, but by the Americans. And just for the purpose of making a mess in Europe and finally taking the world to their hands. Which they managed to brilliantly crank in the late 30s, early 40s of the last century.
            But the Soviet garbage dump did not interest anyone in those years. Only in the 60s she began to be interested in amers, who threw part of the world's parasites from their neck to the neck of the USSR. The USSR stupidly smilingly called these parasites "socialist camp." And he non-stop shipped food and various pieces of iron on credit, which no one even thought to give. Pompously calling this disgrace "foreign trade."
            Quote: Albert1988
            The fact that her leadership is climbing hard to kiss the boots of the Anglo-Saxon elites who brazenly threw this very Poland at the most critical moment for her!

            The whole REASONABLE world is engaged in this. Moreover, for many centuries. Only before they kissed the boots not of Amers, but of the Britons. For this, the kissers are allowed to live more or less securely and calmly.
            But still far from everyone understands this (there are no brains in the head). But they will understand it. And no options. Only now, at the time of awareness, the population of these countries (if they can be called that) will already be in a terrible state.
            Quote: Albert1988
            and no one will help Poland again, neither NATO, nor any other "allies" ...

            May not help. And maybe it will help. Everything will depend on the general situation. And from the owner of the modern world, USA.
            And then, what can happen to Poland now? Poland is not in danger now. Absolutely.
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              An attack without a declaration of war, is this not a war at all?
              And what? Outdoor picnic riding a tank?


              This is the entry of troops of one state into the territory of another state that has remained uncontrolled, which has ceased to exist. since his government left its territory, at the same time leaving the order to NOT resist the incoming Soviet troops ...
              Quote: uu1
              Germany was fueled not by the Anglo-Saxons, but by the Americans.

              Are Americans NOT Anglo-Saxons now?

              Quote: uu1
              But the Soviet garbage dump did not interest anyone in those years.

              Ogh, it is))))) With such a knowledge of history, you, dear, are worthy of becoming a teacher of the history of the century in Svidomo school ...
              Quote: uu1
              The whole REASONABLE world is engaged in this.

              Yah? Here are the Germans, they’re not climbing from something, China and Japan are NOT climbing, they had to be forced to force them ...
              So remember - Eastern Europe is NOT a "rational world", these are former colonies of more developed / strong powers that have not yet outlived the complexes associated with this at the elite level ...
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              For this, the kissers are allowed to live more or less securely and calmly.

              Congratulations - you have the psychology of a slave with such judgments))))

              Quote: uu1
              But still far from everyone understands this (there are no brains in the head). But they will understand it. And no options. Only now, at the time of awareness, the population of these countries (if they can be called that) will already be in a terrible state.

              So far, everything is going to ensure that the population of the "Anglo-Saxon world" will be in a terrible state ...

              Quote: uu1
              And from the owner of the modern world, USA.

              That's the problem that your position depends on the "master", slave psychology to the fullest)))) And most importantly, the slaves do not understand that the master will not protect them - the slaves need the master to put on their territory potential targets for the same Russian missiles to divert these same missiles from targets in their more important territory))))

              Quote: uu1
              And then, what can happen to Poland now? Poland is not in danger now. Absolutely.


              Well, how to say, NOW is not threatening, but historical experience says that anything can happen))))
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                uu1 8 January 2020 15: 42 New
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                Quote: Albert1988
                the entry of troops of one state into the uncontrolled territory of another state that has ceased to exist

                And again, this is an impudent lie.
                I have already given you the proofs of this above.
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                Congratulations - you have the psychology of a slave with such judgments))))

                No, slaves were fellow citizens. Some of them (quite a lot) remained mentally by them.
                It is foolish to call people rational slaves. But the Soviets have their own terminology.
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                Are Americans NOT Anglo-Saxons now?

                Anglo-Saxons are not united.
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                Here are the Germans, they’re not climbing from something, China and Japan are NOT climbing, they had to be forced to force them ...

                Do not climb? By force?
                In what century are you stuck?
                China, so he generally tore his whole ass. But this one does not see anything and does not want to see.
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                So remember - Eastern Europe is NOT a "rational world", these are former colonies of more developed / strong powers that have not yet outlived the complexes associated with this at the elite level ...

                You need to teleport 100 years ago, to the USSR. There, your reasoning would be appropriate.
                But the modern world is not designed as you see it.
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                So far, everything is going to ensure that the population of the "Anglo-Saxon world" will be in a terrible state ...

                Gee-gee-gee. Funny you, "witnesses of socialism." And the world around you is fictitious, virtual.
                Quote: Albert1988
                your position depends on the "master", slave psychology to the fullest)))) And most importantly, the slaves do not understand that the owners

                You have not only a mentality, you even have slavish terminology. In addition to slaves and masters, you do not know anyone else.
                But then there were many different OEF. Where the relationship of subordination between people was different. But you have not grown to them yet. Stuck in the Middle Ages.
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                to put potential targets for the same Russian missiles on their territory

                Calm down about these missiles. They are just as virtual as the imaginary world around you.
                Quote: Albert1988
                but historical experience says that anything can happen)

                Historical experience in such matters is a poor adviser. Because the world is moving forward and the situation is changing. And only "witnesses of socialism" are stuck in the past and muttering some ridiculous mantras from their Middle Ages.
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                And again, this is an impudent lie.
                I have already given you the proofs of this above.

                No, this is alas true, historical, exactly the same as the fact that the Polish ambassador in Germany was, hmm, Hitler’s anti-Semite and co-sponsor, and Pan Pilsudski was best friends with Adolfik)))
                And the evidence you have presented can only argue with the "refutation" of the theses on anti-Semitism of some Polish politicians issued by the Polish government)))
                Quote: uu1
                No, slaves were fellow citizens. Some of them (quite a lot) remained mentally by them.
                It is foolish to call people rational slaves. But the Soviets have their own terminology.

                Well, what can I say - your slavery is so rooted that you don’t even recognize it)))) This, by the way, is the first sign of a true slave))) But Soviet citizens, surprisingly, perfectly understood that the freedom declared they are dumb, but you don’t understand, that is, it is you, and not the "fellow citizens" who are true slaves ...
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                Gee-gee-gee. Funny you, "witnesses of socialism." And the world around you is fictitious, virtual.

                No, it’s only you, gentlemen, who are lucky to say, there’s been no socialism for a long time, even in China, but the problems inside the “golden billion” are a fact of objective reality))))
                Quote: uu1
                You have not only a mentality, you even have slavish terminology. In addition to slaves and masters, you do not know anyone else.
                But then there were many different OEF. Where the relationship of subordination between people was different. But you have not grown to them yet. Stuck in the Middle Ages.

                Nothing will change from the fact that you are shifting to others - you are a slave, serf, servant, servant, vassal, it doesn’t matter - you DO NOT determine the fate of your country and your people, your masters, patrons, curators, overlords determine it overseas, also not important - whatever you call it - nothing will change)))
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                Calm down about these missiles. They are just as virtual as the imaginary world around you.

                Yes, but from something the American commissions that regularly check these missiles do not think so))))
                But what’s really virtual is the Polish military power, which is so great that in case of a big war the role of Poland will be reduced to statistical error))))
                Quote: uu1
                Historical experience in such matters is a poor adviser. Because the world is moving forward and the situation is changing.

                Yes, but Poland as it was a slave country, earnestly wanting to become an "empire from mozh to mozh" - so it remains, it just does not know how to do it and it can do it))))
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                And only "witnesses of socialism" are stuck in the past and muttering some ridiculous mantras from their Middle Ages.

                Socialism and the Middle Ages are terms as compatible as nuclear energy and antiquity))))
                And the fact that you everywhere see the "socialists" is just a sign of your inhibition in the past))))
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                uu1 8 January 2020 17: 03 New
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                Quote: Albert1988
                but the problems inside the "golden billion" is a fact of objective reality))))

                There are no problems there. People live for themselves and enjoy life.
                Not inventing and not looking for all sorts of fictional enemies. External and internal.
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                but from something the American commissions that regularly check these missiles do not think so))))

                Then they send you reports? Pigeon mail?
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                that in case of a big war

                Wars between whom and by whom?
                Here you are planning some kind of "big war". Between whom and by whom?
                You are funny. In the modern world, no “big wars" are possible in principle. There are no suitable warring parties.
                Quote: Albert1988
                Socialism and the Middle Ages are terms as compatible as nuclear energy and antiquity.

                I do not know about nuclear energy, but Soviet socialism was the real Middle Ages in the 20th century. The USSR of the period of Dzhugashvili (December 1927) and further was an orthodox theocratic society (based on the pseudo-religion Marxism-Leninism), in fact, a large Sect. Inside, the sect used the slave-owning mode of production, the distinguishing feature of which was extreme centralism. At the time of Dzhugashvili, the slave owner in this Sect was alone, and after his death and the failure of Khrushchev’s attempt to take the place of Dzhugashvili, the slave owner became collective, the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee.
                If you want to see with your own eyes the socialism of the times of Dzhugashvili, you do not need a time machine, go to the DPRK. There he is now.
                If you are interested in looking at "developed socialism" (from the time of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU), fly to Cuba. There he is.
                And there is no need to tell fables about paradise life in the USSR. Wretched was that life in that wretched state.
              4. Albert1988 8 January 2020 17: 13 New
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                There are no problems there. People live for themselves and enjoy life.
                Not inventing and not looking for all sorts of fictional enemies. External and internal.

                Og, they killed an official of another country in the territory of a third country - is it so happy? Sponsor revolts. the overthrow of legitimate governments and direct invasions around the world - yes, they live peacefully))))
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                Then they send you reports? Pigeon mail?

                Why me? They give their reports to their government, and then, then, it publishes those parts of it. which are permissible for publication, but everything can be found on the Internet, or do you live in the Middle Ages?
                Quote: uu1
                I do not know about nuclear energy, but Soviet socialism was the real Middle Ages in the 20th century. The USSR of the period of Dzhugashvili (December 1927) and further was an orthodox theocratic society (based on the pseudo-religion Marxism-Leninism), in fact, a large Sect.

                Sorry, I didn’t know that you managed to live and see everything with your own eyes! I really didn’t know! Sorry! By the way, tell me, please, in what year did you end up in the Gulag for 100500 years and for what anecdote about Stalin? And how many times have you been shot there and for what specifically?
                Quote: uu1
                If you are interested in looking at "developed socialism" (from the time of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU), fly to Cuba. There he is.

                I haven’t been to Cuba, but I talked with Cubans - and so - there is NOT "developed socialism (from the time of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU)" (which this absolutely meaningless wording would not mean), there generally does not smell of socialism as such. As in North Korea, the attributes of which you attribute to the USSR from the time of Stalin, maybe you were in the North Korean camp, and not in the Soviet one, nevertheless, eh? Otherwise, how to explain that you are still not shot three times?
                Quote: uu1
                And there is no need to tell fables about paradise life in the USSR. Wretched was that life in that wretched state.

                Please quote me where SPECIFICALLY, I say that life in the USSR was "paradise"? And in general, what does life in the country have to do with it, if we are talking exclusively about foreign policy, issues of "aggression and annexation"?

                Although, what do I want from you? I ask you a different topic, which seems to be about socialism, but what does it have to do with it when it came to Polish aggression against independent states, and then the actions of the Red Army then in the territories of Poland no longer existing?
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                Quote: Albert1988
                killed an official of another country in the territory of a third country

                You somehow poorly imagine the modern structure of planet Earth.
                It would be nice in the days of the USSR, when slaves were hanging noodles over their ears for fences. But now, what prevents to study the issue?
                Quote: Albert1988
                Sponsor revolts. the overthrow of legitimate governments and direct invasions around the world

                Is it necessary to write nonsense?
                Quote: Albert1988
                They give their reports to their government.

                And on the basis of their reports, the US government, fearing the answer, declares “sanctions” to the Russian Federation, and essentially declares a “cold war” to it?
                Have you heard about such a thing as logic?
                Quote: Albert1988
                there generally does not smell of socialism as such.

                There is something very similar to "developed socialism."
                Fly, ponostalgic.
                Quote: Albert1988
                As in North Korea, the attributes of which you attribute to the USSR from the time of Stalin

                And in the DPRK, something like just socialism, not developed. The times of Dzhugashvili.
                Quote: Albert1988
                and the actions of the Red Army then in the territories of Poland no longer existing?

                Why will I comment on your enemy?
                I brought you the order of the commander-in-chief of the Polish army, Marshal Rydz-Smigly, from 17.09.1939. This is enough.
                It is enough that I brought you the Sikorsky-May Agreement of July 30.07.1941, 1939, according to which the USSR returned everything that was seized from Poland in XNUMX to Poland.
                These are documents.
                From you, I see only lies and impulsive squeals like "himself a fool." They are not interesting to me.
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                You somehow poorly imagine the modern structure of planet Earth.
                It would be nice in the days of the USSR, when slaves were hanging noodles over their ears for fences. But now, what prevents to study the issue?

                Yeah, that is, if Pan Matserevich arrives on the territory of, say, Ukraine, then Russia has every right to bomb it? Fine, otherwise I didn’t know how dark things are doing there in the "reasonable world"))))
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                Is it necessary to write nonsense?

                So far, only you wrote nonsense, dear, about the "reasonable world"))))
                Quote: uu1
                And on the basis of their reports, the US government, fearing the answer, declares “sanctions” to the Russian Federation, and essentially declares a “cold war” to it?
                Have you heard about such a thing as logic?

                And where does the sanction? I talked about what is published for an ordinary citizen without a relatively country ... And if you are talking about logic, then tell me, why does the US announce sanctions to Russia for "virtual" missiles? At the same time, to assert that these same "virtual" missiles have already been deployed, what are the agreements that violate? So who is not friends with logic here?
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                There is something very similar to "developed socialism."
                Fly, ponostalgic.

                Why am I nostalgic if I
                a) lived under socialism for 3 years,
                b) I do not like socialism?
                Quote: uu1
                And in the DPRK, something like just socialism, not developed. The times of Dzhugashvili.

                That is, you still sat in the DPRK in the camp, and were shot in the Stalin Soviet Union?
                Quote: uu1
                It is enough that I brought you the Sikorsky-May Agreement of July 30.07.1941, 1939, according to which the USSR returned everything that was seized from Poland in XNUMX to Poland.
                These are documents.

                And as soon as it turned out that Grodno and Lviv with Ivano-Frankivsk did end up as part of Belarus and Ukraine, respectively?

                Firstly, the commander-in-chief is not a government, Poland ate a democratic country, for the Polish government escaped from the country as true noblemen as early as September 4th, and the president as the most true nobleman — as early as September 1st. And from the fact that someone there said that the “councils invaded” does not make this a real invasion.
                Secondly, no Anglo-Saxons did not order the USSR to sign the Sikorsky-May Agreement, the USSR took this step solely because he had to create a potentially allied army of Polish prisoners of war and simply Poles, whom they began to separate from prisons and camps. By the way, Vilno was left behind Lithuania, the Anglo-Saxon “Harry Potters” did not have the strength of their “imperio”)))) Moreover, in 1943 this agreement was annulled by the USSR, as the Polish government, as always, biting his feeding hand, agreed to participate in the Katyn farce of the Germans.

                Therefore, my advice to you is to stop the slavish reptile before the Anglo-Saxons, at least because they betrayed you repeatedly and were ready to sacrifice you for the sake of their short-term political interests. Begin to behave as a sovereign state and as a sovereign nation with a thousand-year history! Because now, as one of your retired ministers said, problems with national pride and self-awareness, all the best hi
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  • Svarog51 7 January 2020 15: 55 New
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    And why can’t Poland live in peace without attacking its neighbors? Again, "from mozh to mozh" wanted?
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    Emm Poland would have stopped, but the Red Army had one goal - the world revolution. Poland had no choice but to completely defeat Soviet Russia in order to force it to abandon expansion towards Poland. And it worked, the Red Army went to "liberate" the Caucasus, Central Asia, the Far East - the goals are softer and weaker.
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    It is true that in 1938, Polish troops occupied Zaolzie, but it is also true that on September 17, Russia attacked Poland ....

    No Russia attacked Poland. The USSR attacked Poland, and Russia was formed in 1991.
    1. Michał Rakowski 7 January 2020 09: 39 New
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      I thought that the history of Russia is 1000 years, not 30 years ...
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        Quote: Michał Rakowski
        I thought that the history of Russia is 1000 years, not 30 years ...

        And I thought that the Russian Federation became sovereign in 1991, and it turns out in 1990.
        1. kotvov 7 January 2020 10: 51 New
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          You better not think, but study history.
        2. hhhhhhh 7 January 2020 11: 02 New
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          Independent of whom? Rather, the elites surrendered to the United States.
        3. Fitter65 7 January 2020 13: 55 New
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          Quote: Professor
          And I thought that the Russian Federation became sovereign in 1991,

          And before 1991, did someone occupy, colonize, or was it someone's mandated territory?
        4. Uncle Izya 7 January 2020 19: 34 New
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          There was no Russian Empire?
          Modern Jews have nothing to do with the ancients this time. Do you two live in the occupied lands aren't you ashamed?
          Three live on Israeli sites 9tv.co.il kursor.co.il and try to write something against Israel there!
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          And I thought that the Russian Federation became sovereign in 1991, and it turns out in 1990.

          The turkey also thought that it was bathing until the water began to boil))))
          RSFSR - what is it? Probably has nothing to do with the Russian Federation laughing

          Honest word, you have already become ridiculous, dear Professor)))))
      2. ssm
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        Quote: Michał Rakowski
        I thought that the history of Russia is 1000 years, not 30 years ...

        Russia lived a little less than 200 years. And in 1918 she died.
        Russia is still a little over 28 years with a penny.
        1. Uncle Izya 7 January 2020 19: 36 New
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          Russia is a young state but the beginning of the Dynasty
          Rurikovichi
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          Kingdom proclaimed
          The Grand Duchy of Moscow is a medieval Russian feudal state. Initially, the inheritance of the Grand Duchy of Vladimir, from the middle of the XIV century as a result of the transformation of Vladimir into the hereditary possession of the Moscow princes - is a great principality [source?]. From the 1330s to 1480, Moscow princes, with rare exceptions, were holders of the Khan's grand-ducal label, for which they fought with two other major principalities: Tver and Nizhny Novgorod-Suzdal.
          With the further expansion of the possessions of Moscow princes and the centralization of power at the end of the 1485th century, the Grand Duchy of Moscow became the center of a unified Russian state, freed from Horde dependence. C 1 (in a number of documents and earlier) Ivan III Vasilievich was constantly titled “the Grand Duke of All Russia”, in foreign documents he was called the Kaiser [XNUMX].

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          The first Moscow prince was the sixth son of Vsevolod III the Big Nest - Vladimir [source not specified 1116 days], who sat in Moscow for several months in 1213 (taking the city from his older brother, Prince Vladimir of Vladimir). Soon, however, the Moscow volost returned to the estate of the Grand Duke, and Vladimir Vsevolodovich was transferred to the more prestigious Pereyaslavl-Yuzhny. Around 1236, the Grand Duke of Vladimir Yuri Vsevolodovich allotted the Moscow Principality to his young son Vladimir. During the Batu invasion, Moscow was looted and burned on January 20, 1238, and Vladimir Yuryevich, who defended it, was captured and killed on February 3. Moscow again returned to the estate of the Grand Duke, Yaroslav Vsevolodovich. After his murder in the Horde in 1246, another division of the Vladimir-Suzdal land took place. In 1246-1248, Moscow was owned by Mikhail Yaroslavich Khorobrit (this fact is not mentioned in all chronicles and is considered controversial). However, he was not satisfied with his secondary position. In 1248, Mikhail raided the capital city of Vladimir, drove out Uncle Svyatoslav Vsevolodovich from there, and occupied a great table in the absence of the older brothers Alexander and Andrei. Mikhail Yaroslavich Khorobrit ruled very little, in the winter (January 15, 1248) he died in a battle with the Lithuanians on the banks of the Protva River. His remains were transferred to the Assumption Cathedral of Vladimir. Mikhail Khorobrit became the last Russian Grand Duke to die in battle. According to some reports, after the death of Mikhail, his young son Boris remained, who owned the Moscow principality with the permission of his uncle, Alexander Nevsky. Boris Mikhailovich died shortly before 1263, before reaching adulthood.
          According to the will of Alexander Nevsky, the principality in the same year 1263 was allotted to his youngest son, Daniil Aleksandrovich, to whose descendants it was assigned. The son of Daniel was Ivan I (Kalita) - Dmitry Donskoy’s grandfather. However, throughout this time, the Principality of Moscow was specific in the Grand Duchy of Vladimir
      3. Svarog51 7 January 2020 16: 06 New
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        The city of Yaroslavl has existed for more than 1000 years - Russia is much longer. What have you been banned from the Internet, take an interest in the dates of the formation of the RSFSR, the USSR and the Russian Federation. And compare the dates of the contracts with each state entity.
    2. Olgovich 7 January 2020 10: 25 New
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      Quote: Professor
      . To Poland attacked the USSR

      "Attacked" means ...
      Those. you for hundreds of thousands of jews eastern Kresa hit Auschwitz two years earlier?

      There are no words .... negative
      1. Professor 7 January 2020 10: 40 New
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        When there are no words, it is better to be silent. fool

        The elderberry garden, and the uncle in Kiev. What is the connection? Just do not tell me that the scoop attacked Poland to save the Jews. Nobody was interested in the fate of the Jews. Hitler offered Dzhugashvili to take away the Jews located in the territories controlled by the Germans. Dzhugashvili did not agree. He was only selling more money for transit visas to wealthy Jews who fled from Germany to Japan. Business and nothing personal.
        1. Olgovich 7 January 2020 10: 54 New
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          Quote: Professor
          When there are no words, then better shut up.

          And why don't you ... follow YOUR own postulate and carry and carry? belay
          Quote: Professor
          The elderberry garden, and the uncle in Kiev. What is the connection?

          belay lol direct.
          Quote: Professor
          Just do not tell me that the scoop attacked Poland to save the Jews.

          I talk about FACTS:
          1 .: YOU advocated the entry of the Jews of the All-Weather Kresa into Auschwitz two years earlier.
          2. RELEASE OF WESTERN RUSSIA FROM THE Polish Invaders SAVED and hundreds of thousands of Jews and extended their life
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            Quote: Olgovich
            I talk about FACTS:
            1 .: YOU advocated the entry of the Jews of the All-Weather Kresa into Auschwitz two years earlier.

            Rave. In your opinion, it turns out that the Friendship Agreement with Nazi Germany sent West European Jews to gas stoves? USSR accessory?

            Quote: Olgovich
            2. RELEASE OF WESTERN RUSSIA FROM THE Polish Invaders SAVED and hundreds of thousands of Jews and extended their life

            Another nonsense. No one saved the Jews.

            Quote: hhhhhhh
            Scoop taught you to write and read.
            You lived to see your age thanks to the scoop.
            The scoop is too kind, it was not necessary for you to do all this.

            Dad and mom taught me. I am grateful to them on the coffin.
            1. Olgovich 7 January 2020 12: 00 New
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              Quote: Professor
              Brad.

              1. I am also surprised: the professor and ... raves .... request
              Quote: Professor
              In your opinion, it turns out that the Friendship Agreement with Nazi Germany sent West European Jews to gas stoves? USSR accessory?
              belay fool What is it like?!
              See Clause 1
              Quote: Professor
              Another nonsense. No one did not save the Jews.

              But THANKS. Didn’t get it?
              See Clause 1.
              1. Professor 7 January 2020 12: 44 New
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                How everything is up and running.
                1. Germany officially asked for Jews, the USSR refused. Jews were sent to gas chambers. Conclusion - the USSR saved the Jews. fool
                2. The USSR sold transit visas to wealthy Jews for large amounts in foreign currency. The rest were sent to gas chambers. Conclusion - the USSR saved the Jews. fool
                3. The USSR signed with Hitler Friendship agreement while there were concentration camps. Delivered raw materials to the Nazi industry. Conclusion - the USSR saved the Jews. fool
                4. Before the front itself approached the Auschwitz of the USSR, it did not strike a finger against the finger in order to destroy this death machine. Neither gas chambers nor access roads were bombed. Conclusion - the USSR saved the Jews. fool

                PS
                You, along with the nightingales and Kisilevs, can now distort history as you please. You can tell that Poland attacked the USSR or that Poland was no longer there and the Red Army crossed not the Soviet-Polish border, but the Soviet-no border. You can tell us that 40 Polish officers were shot not by Soviet executioners, but by German or that there were no Polish victims at all "since Poland was gone." You can decide that 000x2 = 2 or that the Sun rotates around the Earth (https://www.mk.ru/social/5/2017/03/chetvert-rossiyan-veryat-chto-solnce-vrashhaetsya-vokrug-zemli.html ), but in the world there are adequate educated people who know the truth. And you have one. It was they who later taught the truth to millions of zombied Russians. It gives me optimism. hi
                1. BAI
                  BAI 7 January 2020 14: 13 New
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                  but in the world there are adequate educated people who know the truth.

                  That is why, you (especially with a small letter) will not be able to distort the story.
                2. Olgovich 7 January 2020 15: 18 New
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                  Quote: Professor
                  How everything is up and running.
                  1. Germany officially asked for Jews, the USSR refused. Jews were sent to gas chambers. .
                  2. The USSR sold transit visas to wealthy Jews for large amounts in foreign currency. The rest were sent to gas chambers.

                  The Israeli ....... does not know the history of the Holocaust ....... belay
                  It's overseas in general: remember, "professor," the first gas cameras were installed at the end JUNE 1941 in Auschwitz, the first mass execution -in September November 41, XNUMX
                  И no refused by the Union of Jews to send them, respectively, COULD NOT. Did it get there? no
                  By the way, read the REMARK, HOW did the West accept and surrender Jews to the Jews BEFORE WWII.
                  Quote: Professor
                  Conclusion - the USSR saved the Jews.

                  Spas Hundreds of thousands of Polish Jewsthat survived the liberation of Western Russia in 1939. This is just a fact.
                  But in 41 g, YOUR Lithuanian friends slaughtered 200 Jews who survived in 000.
                  Remember!
                  Quote: Professor
                  3. The USSR signed a treaty of friendship with Hitler while there were concentration camps. Delivered raw materials to the Nazi industry.

                  This is the apotheosis of wild ignorance: the Nazi concentration camps have been with Dahau since 1933 to help you and EVERYTHING, I emphasize EVERYTHING. Jews including traded with germany
                  Quote: Professor
                  You, along with the nightingales and Kisilevs, can now distort history as you please.

                  You with the Poles and other Russophobic abomination can pervert History as you please, but WWII began in Europe October 1, 1938 when your poles. your Germans and Hungarians. WITH PERMISSION OF YOUR English TORNED Czechoslovakia. it's just a fact.
                  Hitler became TWO times stronger and went on.
                  Quote: Professor
                  It gives me optimism

                  Your denseness, even in Jewish affairs, inspires only pessimism: if even the “professor” is not Kpengen, then what about small plankton ..... hi .
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                  Quote: Olgovich
                  The Israeli ....... does not know the history of the Holocaust .......
                  This is BEYOND in general: remember, “professor,” the first gas chambers were installed at the end of JUNE 1941 in Auschwitz, the first mass execution in SEPTEMBER 41.
                  And no refusal by the Union of Jews to send them, respectively, could not. Did it get there?
                  By the way, read the REMARK, HOW did the West accept and surrender Jews to the Jews BEFORE WWII.

                  The Holocaust did not begin in June 1941, but much earlier. Even before the conclusion of the Friendship Treaty, CEP. The USSR refused Germany to accept Jews and only after that the Germans switched to the mass extermination of Jews.

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Saved HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND Polish Jews who survived the liberation of Western Russia in 1939. This is simply a FACT.
                  But in 41 g, YOUR Lithuanian friends slaughtered 200 Jews who survived in 000.
                  Remember!

                  The Lithuanians are not friends to us, but they destroyed all the Jews in a row.

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  This is the apotheosis of wild ignorance: the Nazi concentration camps have been with Dahau since 1933 to help you and EVERYTHING, I emphasize EVERYTHING. Jews including traded with germany

                  That is what I am writing about. The USSR signed a friendship treaty with Hitler while concentration camps existed. Delivered raw materials to the Nazi industry.

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  You with the Poles and other Russophobic abomination can pervert History as you like, but WWII began in Europe on October 1, 1938, when your Poles. your Germans and Hungarians. with the permission of YOUR English TORNED Czechoslovakia. it's just a fact.
                  Hitler became TWO times stronger and went on.

                  The whole company does not keep up and only you keep up. WWII began on 1.09.39. Remember this.

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Your denseness, even in Jewish affairs, inspires only pessimism: if even the “professor” is not Kpengen, then what about small plankton .....

                  I'm not mad at you.
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                  Quote: Professor
                  Holocaust did not start in june xnumxand much earlier. Even before the conclusion of the Friendship Treaty, CEP

                  And who claimed about June 41? belay But there were no gas chambers, as you claimed.
                  Quote: Professor
                  USSR refused Germany to accept Jews and only after that Germans proceeded to the mass extermination of Jews.

                  You do not know the history of the Holocaust. Alas
                  Holocaust:
                  the persecution and extermination of European Jews by Nazi Germany and collaborators throughout 1933—1945
                  since 1933 !! 1

                  Quote: Professor
                  The Lithuanians are not friends to us, but they destroyed all the Jews in a row.

                  Well then. such glorious Europeans are Russophobes.
                  Quote: Professor
                  That is what I am writing about. The USSR signed a friendship treaty with Hitler while concentration camps existed. Delivered raw materials to the Nazi industry.

                  So I write about It: DHAHA functions with 1933 g and ALL THE WEST at this time is TRADING. arms, holds the Olympics. puts forward a Nobel Prize.
                  Long before the Soviet Socialist Republic.
                  This is just a fact.
                  Quote: Professor
                  The whole company does not keep up and only you keep up. WWII began on 1.09.39. Remember this.

                  And what was October 1, 1938? belay Do not want to see? But it is necessary, it is necessary!
                  This was
                  The first ACT WWII. and zero is anschlus.
                  Remember this.
                  Quote: Professor
                  I'm not mad at you.

                  I’m just perplexed: the Israeli Sokolov, and so get in trouble with the cameras. with camps.
                  how so belay request
                  unclear.....
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                  Quote: Olgovich
                  And who claimed about June 41? But there were no gas chambers, as you claimed.

                  Germany officially asked for Jews, the USSR refused. Jews were sent to gas chambers. If the USSR accepted the Jews, there would be no one to send them to the gas chambers. But who cares about the Jews?

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  You do not know the history of the Holocaust. Alas
                  Holocaust:
                  the persecution and extermination of European Jews by Nazi Germany and collaborators during 1933-1945
                  since 1933 !! 1

                  As we see, the Holocaust did not prevent Dzugashvili from kissing Nazi criminals in a hickey.


                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Well then. such glorious Europeans are Russophobes.

                  Nobody was interested in the fate of the Jews, neither the Americans nor the USSR.

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  So I write about This: DHAHA has been functioning since 1933 and ALL THE WEST at this time is TRADING. arms, holds the Olympics. puts forward a Nobel Prize.
                  Long before the Soviet Socialist Republic.
                  This is just a fact.

                  Here I am about that. A scoop is no better than others, and even worse. They at least do not make themselves holy.

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  And what was October 1, 1938? Do not want to see? But it is necessary, it is necessary!
                  It was the First Act of WWII. and zero is anschlus.
                  Remember this.

                  If you repeat "halva" 1000 times, then it will not become sweet in your mouth. You can learn an alternative story and consider that only you keep up.

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  I’m just perplexed: the Israeli Sokolov, and so get in trouble with the cameras. with camps.
                  how so
                  unclear.....

                  Read above. Everything is there.
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                  Germany officially asked for Jews, the USSR refused. Jews sent to gas chambers
                  There were then no gas chambers. I repeat again.
                  Accordingly, no one in the USSR (and other countries, yes) about the destruction in gas chambers and suggest could not.
                  again didn’t get it?
                  Quote: Professor
                  As we see, the Holocaust did not prevent Dzugashvili from kissing Nazi criminals in a hickey.

                  he kissed "LAST-only after your lovers of Nazism, the leaders of England, France and the United States.
                  forgot?
                  Quote: Professor
                  Nobody was interested in the fate of the Jews, neither the Americans nor the USSR.

                  Of course. But it was the USSR that saved MILLIONS of Jews.

                  you still did not answer a simple question: are you for the elimination of the Jews of Lvov in 1939, and not in 41?

                  Quote: Professor
                  Here I am about that. A scoop is no better than others, and even worse. They at least do not make themselves holy.

                  Build and how! Nazi Germany created the West-money, politics: not the USSR commanded in Europe until WWII.
                  Quote: Professor
                  If you repeat "halva" 1000 times, then it will not become sweet in your mouth. You can learn an alternative story and consider that only you keep up.

                  similar advice to you.
                  FACTS given-can refute? no? So what to talk about?

                  The West created the Nazi beast. The beast unleashed the WWII with its full indulgence .. This is just a fact, whether you want to know it or not.
                  The USSR saved millions, tens of millions of people. This is also a fact.
                  Quote: Professor
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  I’m just perplexed: the Israeli Sokolov, and so get in trouble with the cameras. with camps.
                  how so
                  unclear.....

                  Read above. Everything is there.
                  There is, sorry, illiterate chatter hi
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                  There were then no gas chambers. I repeat again.
                  Correspondingly, no one in the USSR (and other countries, yes) could have imagined the destruction in gas chambers.
                  again didn’t get it?

                  At that moment, Jews were exterminated in other ways. Jews who were denied admission were put in gas chambers. Does it reach you badly?

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  he kissed "LAST - only after your Nazi lovers - the leaders of England, France and the United States.
                  forgot?

                  Does that justify him? By the way Friendship agreement with the Nazis was only with him.

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Of course. But it was the USSR that saved MILLIONS of Jews.

                  you still did not answer a simple question: are you for the elimination of the Jews of Lvov in 1939, and not in 41?

                  No. The anti-Hitler coalition saved the surviving Jews, and the scoop refused to accept the Jews and they were sent to gas chambers. Not in a sanatorium, not in Madagascar, but in gas chambers.

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  If you repeat "halva" 1000 times, then it will not become sweet in your mouth. You can learn an alternative story and consider that only you keep up.

                  similar advice to you.
                  FACTS given-can refute? no? So what to talk about?

                  Open the Great Soviet Encyclopedia: "The Second World War 1939—1945, a war prepared by the forces of international imperialist reaction and unleashed by the main aggressive states — fascist Germany, fascist Italy and militaristic Japan. V. m.v., like the first, ... "

                  Teach materiel.

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  There is, sorry, illiterate chatter

                  I would be in your place about the "literacy" said nothing.
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                  At that moment the Jews exterminated in other ways.

                  1. You are ignorant negative mass extermination of Jews began precisely after the start of the Second World War. Learn the history of the Jewish people and the Holocaust.
                  2.You carried nonsense about gas chambers
                  Quote: Professor
                  Jews who were denied admission were put in gas chambers.

                  1. all Jews hit. not just refuseniks
                  2 .. The whole world refused to Jews much earlier than the USSR -International refugee conference in Evian (France) in July 1938-to help you.
                  3. did not know then about gas chambers and did not think. what is possible.

                  WHEN will it come?
                  Quote: Professor
                  No. The anti-Hitler coalition saved the surviving Jews, and the scoop refused to accept the Jews and they were sent to gas chambers. Not in a sanatorium, not in Madagascar, but in gas chambers.

                  Yes.
                  it was the USSR that endured the bulk of the war (the participation of other countries in the coalition’s / Hitlery) and thereby saved the remaining Jews
                  А West refused - see above, accept Jews and even gave them out (France and a remark to help you) and they were sent to gas chambers
                  Quote: Professor
                  Teach materiel.

                  Do you reject the blatant occupation of Czechoslovakia by Poland, Germany, Hungary with the support of England, France, and the USA? By the way, dozens of people died!
                  Remember?
                  Quote: Professor
                  I would be in your place about the "literacy" said nothing.

                  lol
                  When will you answer the three times asked simple question:
                  you are for the Jews of Lviv carved back in 1939 g, not 41g?

                  Judging by your Polish suffering, yes.

                  There are no words ....... negative
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                  Quote: Olgovich
                  1. You are ignorant mass extermination of Jews began precisely after the start of the Second World War. Learn the history of the Jewish people and the Holocaust.
                  2.You carried nonsense about gas chambers

                  The extermination of the Jews began before Auschwitz. For example, Kristallnacht.
                  Jews who were denied admission were put in gas chambers. If the scoop accepted the Jews, then there would be no gas chambers.

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  1. All Jews hit. not just refuseniks
                  2 .. The whole world refused to Jews much earlier than the USSR -International refugee conference in Evian (France) in July 1938-to help you.
                  3. did not know then about gas chambers and did not think. what is possible.

                  1. All these Jews were refuseniks. The scoop refused to accept them and they got into the gas chambers. And Eichmann created the cameras themselves after he could not get rid of the Jews by sending them to the USSR.
                  2. Refused the whole world to the Jews and the USSR as well. No one is better.
                  3. The mass extermination of Jews has already begun; concentration camps have already been working.

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Yes.
                  it was the USSR that endured the bulk of the war (the participation of other countries in the coalition’s / Hitlery) and thereby saved the remaining Jews
                  But the West refused - see above - to accept Jews and even issued them (France and a remark to help you) and they were sent to gas chambers

                  Everyone refused to accept Jews and nobody was interested in the fate of the Jews. USSR including. There were exceptions. For example, Bulgarian Tsar Boris III refused Hitler to send Bulgarian troops to the Eastern Front and in his demands to extradite the Jewish population of Bulgaria (50 people).

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Do you reject the blatant occupation of Czechoslovakia by Poland, Germany, Hungary with the support of England, France, and the USA? By the way, dozens of people died!
                  Remember?

                  Read the Great Soviet Encyclopedia and do not break rubbish.
                  "The Second World War 1939—1945, a war prepared by the forces of international imperialist reaction and unleashed by the main aggressive states — fascist Germany, fascist Italy and militaristic Japan. V. m. In., Like the first, ... "

                  Teach materiel.

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Quote: Professor
                  I would be in your place about the "literacy" said nothing.


                  When will you answer the three times asked simple question:
                  Are you for the fact that the Jews of Lviv were slaughtered back in 1939, and not in 41g?

                  Judging by your Polish suffering, yes.

                  There are no words .......

                  Your fantasies are not interesting to me.
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                  . All these Jews were refuseniks. The scoop refused to accept them and they got into the gas chambers. And Eichmann created the cameras themselves after he could not get rid of the Jews by sending them to the USSR.

                  And why then Omeryga did not agree to accept these Jews? Or England? So what?
                  And rightly so, right after all, gazenvageny came up precisely for those Jews whom the USSR did not accept ... As the Japanese engineer said in the C&C Red Alert 3 cranberry game
                  - I bow to your "wisdom" ...
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                  Quote: Albert1988
                  Quote: Professor
                  . All these Jews were refuseniks. The scoop refused to accept them and they got into the gas chambers. And Eichmann created the cameras themselves after he could not get rid of the Jews by sending them to the USSR.

                  And why then Omeryga did not agree to accept these Jews? Or England? So what?
                  And rightly so, right after all, gazenvageny came up precisely for those Jews whom the USSR did not accept ... As the Japanese engineer said in the C&C Red Alert 3 cranberry game
                  - I bow to your "wisdom" ...

                  The fate of the Jews was not interesting to anyone.
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                  The fate of the Jews was not interesting to anyone.

                  This is where we need to start, and say that the "Despicable Yankees", "The Vile Little Shirts", "The Cursed Scoop" did not agree to host Jewish refugees among the couple of millions whom Nazi Germany was ready to give to anyone who wanted to "donate" .. Along the way, thrusting into this number a cloud of full-time Abwehr agents, of course ...

                  And then - there was such an interesting Soviet citizen - Krivoshein Semyon Moiseevich, my fellow countryman, the guard, Lieutenant General, who gained fame thanks to the "joint" parade of German and Soviet troops, which he "received" with Guderian, and was also the author of the most optimal calculation method irretrievable losses during the Second World War. But he was also involved in the fact that during the final establishment of the demarcation line between German and Soviet troops in Poland in the 39th he helped a very decent number of Jews to be in Soviet territory ...
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              Extermination Jews began before Auschwitz. For example, Kristallnacht.

              91 people died during the pogroms of XP night.

              A terrible crime, of course. yes, but this is not "extermination." The extermination began precisely after the start of the Second World War; in Lithuania it was destroyed 240 Jews. This extermination ..

              visit at least once Yad VashemIsraeli

              Quote: Professor
              1. All these Jews were refuseniks. The scoop refused to accept them and they got into the gas chambers. And Eichmann created the cameras themselves after he could not get rid of the Jews by sending them to the USSR.

              Scoop is that, the whole .... world ?! Why a scoop. which after WWI did not play any role in the world, you have the main ... refusenik?
              He last was in the match of the English-phantasies and the USA, who refused much earlier ..
              Quote: Professor
              Mass extermination of Jews has already begun

              visit at least once Yad VashemIsraeli
              Quote: Professor
              Read the Great Soviet Encyclopedia and do not break rubbish.
              "The Second World War 1939-1945, a war prepared by the forces of international imperialist reaction and unleashed by the main aggressive states - fascist Germany, fascist Italy and militaristic Japan. V. m., Like the first, ..."

              Teach materiel.

              Anti-scoop refers to .... scoop! belay lol nothing wedges, no?
              You can refute the facts. no7 so what?
              Quote: Professor
              Your fantasies are not interesting to me.

              you answer the question:
              Are you for the fact that the Jews of Lviv were slaughtered back in 1939, and not in 41g?

              Coward?
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              91 people are not an accident, this is extermination.
              We do not discuss "the whole world." We are discussing the scoop which OFFICIALLY offered to accept the Jews. He refused and THESE Jews ended their lives in gas chambers. Only the USSR had Friendship agreement with Nazi Germany, not England, etc.
              Unlike you, I visited Yad Vashem and I know very well when the Holocaust began and when the Second World War began.
              Read the Great Soviet Encyclopedia and do not break rubbish.
              "The Second World War 1939—1945, a war prepared by the forces of international imperialist reaction and unleashed by the main aggressive states — fascist Germany, fascist Italy and militaristic Japan. V. m. In., Like the first, ... "

              How to learn material from the Encyclopedia, come back. And so I will not feed you. Everything I wanted to convey to other readers. hi
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              91 people are not an accident, this is extermination.

              This year there were several thousand murders in Germany.
              So, in your opinion, the Germans ....... exterminated ....
              what are you carrying?
              Quote: Professor
              We do not discuss "the whole world." We are discussing a scoop which OFFICIALLY offered to host Jews. He refused and THESE Jews ended their lives in gas chambers

              Evian International Refugee Conference (France) in July 1938 OFFICIALLY refused to accept Jews from Germany. The whole world. Much earlier THE USSR. The USSR is the last on the list and did not decide anything in that world.

              chop it on your forehead
              Quote: Professor
              Only the USSR had a friendship treaty with Nazi Germany, not England, etc.

              and what's more friendly about him. than in contracts with England and France? USA?

              Who created the Reich war machine? This is not the USSR
              Quote: Professor
              Unlike you, I visited Yad Vashem and I know very well when the Holocaust began and when the Second World War began.

              Lying. Otherwise, they would not have been raving about the gas chambers of 1939-June 41g and the extermination of 39 g
              Quote: Professor
              Read the Great Soviet Encyclopedia and do not break rubbish.
              "The Second World War 1939-1945, a war prepared by the forces of international imperialist reaction and unleashed by the main aggressive states - fascist Germany, fascist Italy and militaristic Japan. V. m., Like the first, ..."

              Me not interested shovel encyclopedia, if it hasn’t reached yet.
              There is no famine there with 7 million victims of 1933.

              it is shown to you WHEN the FIRST WWII act took place -with occupation by several countries (by conspiracy) of an independent country, with "use", by the way, of dozens of people.
              If this is not war, then what is it? Silent? Yeah ....
              Quote: Professor
              And so I will not feed you

              You carry the same thing for the third time, not noticing the answers and not answering questions. Tired of it.

              PS When you stop trembling and you can finally answer the question:
              Are you for the fact that the Jews of Lviv were slaughtered back in 1939, and not in 41g?
              then come back.
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  • Svarog51 7 January 2020 19: 14 New
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    Dmitriy hi Well, I also don’t understand why the "Jewish Question" arises in any topic. It just what? I have suspicions for my wife that she is Jewish, but so far I am leveling her influence on foreign policy. I try not to allow. But my strengths are not the same, I can’t hold back for a long time.
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    Sergei hi drinks
    Quote: Svarog51
    why in any topic, the "Jewish question" arises. Is that what?

    it's just a rating - comments, advertising, money)) .... I think so
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    Yeah, got it. Better not to pay attention and stay calm. good drinks
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    Quote: Svarog51
    Better not to pay attention

    on trolls
    Quote: Svarog51
    and keep calm

    anytime and anywhere! drinks
  • Svarog51 8 January 2020 13: 20 New
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    Sometimes you have to "conduct hostilities", the recent influx of trolls just rolls over. The site requires protection not only of moderators, but also ours. You cannot sit out in the trench. soldier drinks
  • Tiksi-3 9 January 2020 08: 00 New
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    but ours too. You cannot sit out in the trench.

    I agree to 100% soldier
  • GenNick 7 January 2020 20: 22 New
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    I recognize a Jew by arithmetic 2 * 2 = how much do you need?
    I remember the old joke
    lead to the execution of Jews from the ghetto, one says, but maybe we’ll run away ?, from the crowd but will not be worse?
    And where or from where did the Earth find the state code of Israel. As I age, I began to forget.
    I hope that in the world there are abrazovannye and adequate people, well, then ...
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    abused

    this is a plus
  • hhhhhhh 7 January 2020 11: 04 New
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    Scoop taught you to write and read.
    You lived to see your age thanks to the scoop.
    The scoop is too kind, it was not necessary for you to do all this.
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      Quote: hhhhhhh
      Scoop taught you to write and read.

      But how can people read and write around the world without a scoop?
      Geniuses?
      Quote: hhhhhhh
      You lived to see your age thanks to the scoop.

      But how do people live all over the world, and even longer, without any scoop?
      Quote: hhhhhhh
      The scoop is too kind, it was not necessary for you to do all this.

      Interest for 50% of the population of the scoop he did. I didn’t let them live. "Good" this one.
      1. hhhhhhh 7 January 2020 11: 50 New
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        You do not speak for the whole world. you personally got it all from the scoop, not from the world.
        What is wrong with 50% percent? Under Stalin, the population grew. Without Stalin, it shrinks and becomes dumber and dumber. You are proof of that.)))
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          You are proof of that.)))

          Kozma, well, you flatter him winked . He has not yet formed before the "proof" no
  • Tank jacket 7 January 2020 12: 00 New
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    Israel does not recognize the false interpretation from the Poles and the European Union on the events of WWII, because it does not want the final Holocaust.
  • BAI
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    Just do not tell me that the scoop attacked Poland to save the Jews. Nobody was interested in the fate of the Jews

    Nevertheless, the intensive extermination of the Jews began precisely under the Germans. It is a fact. And 98% cannot be exterminated without the active help of the local population. This is also a fact. The Germans provided an opportunity and ordinary Poles actively took advantage of it. Those. the ruling elite of Poland restrained anti-Semitism (i.e., the ambassador poper against the leading line). And at the household level - 98 out of 100 were destroyed.
  • Uncle Izya 7 January 2020 19: 38 New
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    You write nonsense where is the document?
    You happen to not spy Israeli
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    Quote: Professor
    The elderberry garden, and the uncle in Kiev. What is the connection? Just do not tell me that the scoop attacked Poland to save the Jews. Nobody was interested in the fate of the Jews. Hitler offered Dzhugashvili to take away the Jews located in the territories controlled by the Germans. Dzhugashvili did not agree. He was only selling more money for transit visas to wealthy Jews who fled from Germany to Japan. Business and nothing personal.


    Well, and nonsense belay .That's really real here,
    Quote: Professor
    When there are no words, it is better to be silent.
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    "Attacked" means ...

    But what about? Of course attacked. In collusion with the Nazis.
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      Civilized countries can conspire, but not Stalin? What kind of discrimination? Can the Poles in collusion with the Nazis attack Czechoslovakia, but the USSR can not? What a double standard.
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      But what about? Of course attacked. In conspiracy with the Nazis

      If he attacked, then why did he stop at the border of HISTORICAL Poland and not go further? The Germans have not yet reached this border .....
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    No Russia attacked Poland. The USSR attacked Poland, and Russia was formed in 1991.

    Professor, I understand Poland, with truth it’s so hard to fight that even the laws for this have to be adopted ...
    But you, where do you climb? Or the ashes of Auschwitz, excuse me for some allegory, no longer knocking on your chest?
    To Russia, to the USSR, can any slop be poured, since it was indicated from Capitol Hill? Even stomp on the bones of their ancestors agree?
    You are not a Jew, forgive me, you are an ordinary mankurt - and such people have neither a clan nor a tribe.
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      1. Dude 7 January 2020 11: 46 New
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        Quote: ssm
        Quote: Dude
        In Russia, in the USSR, you can pour any slop

        And who pours slop in the USSR? He himself is these slops.

        Panova, I must admit, you once sat in the Kremlin.
        But it was a long time ago.
        Leave your phantom pains about past greatness wink soldier
        Yes, on the topic of your post: slops It was the Soviet Union that taught you how to clean. Millions of Poles demonstrate their skills by repairing (often, it doesn’t matter) millions of toilets in the EU hi
      2. hhhhhhh 7 January 2020 11: 52 New
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        Your ancestors slop. You have good trash genetics.
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          Colleagues, don’t stoop to the level of a pan, don’t: it’s no longer a dispute, much less a discussion.
          Their usual genetics: when pressed, they switch to Russian one after another, even on their territory. I checked
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            I’ll fill anyone’s face who considers the Russians aggressive.))))
            1. Pete mitchell 8 January 2020 09: 12 New
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              we are peaceful people, but they taught us to throw grenades at school repeat I agree with you, it's just funny to whine this Polish whining - kids discovery channel. They just haven’t been pressed yet ...
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                They know about the secret protocols of Pilsudski-Hitler, but they are silent.
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                Well, their eternal position is understandable - we are poor and unhappy, go with someone and rob someone. And they are being removed from EU funding ...
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      ModeratorsWhy do you look at this disgrace?
      Quote: ssm
      Quote: Dude
      In Russia, in the USSR, you can pour any slop

      And who pours slop in the USSR? He himself is these slops.

      Of course, I understand that Russian is not native to Pan, but this is already superfluous
  • Professor 7 January 2020 11: 42 New
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    Professor, I understand Poland, it is so hard to fight the truth that even the laws for this have to be adopted ...

    What truth? The USSR attacked Poland in collusion with Hitler. Here is the undeniable truth.

    Quote: Dude
    But you, where do you climb? Or the ashes of Auschwitz, excuse me for some allegory, no longer knocking on your chest?

    Auschwitz has nothing to do with it and does not change the fact that the USSR, in collusion with Hitler, attacked Poland, thereby unleashing the Second World War.

    Quote: Dude
    To Russia, to the USSR, can any slop be poured, since it was indicated from Capitol Hill? Even stomp on the bones of their ancestors agree?

    Russia has nothing to do with it. She was not then, and we are talking about the crimes of the USSR.

    Quote: Dude
    You are not a Jew, forgive me, you are an ordinary mankurt - and such people have neither a clan nor a tribe.

    It is strong. wassat
    1. Dude 7 January 2020 12: 04 New
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      . What truth? The USSR attacked Poland in collusion with Hitler. Here is the undeniable truth.
      In your inflamed mind, of course. True, this has nothing to do with reality. hi But you do not care about reality?))
      . Auschwitz has nothing to do with it and does not change the fact that the USSR, in collusion with Hitler, attacked Poland, thereby unleashing the Second World War.
      Prof., do you all Slavic languages ​​and names cut the ear? Intolerant wink But at least you can’t name this camp, our fathers were killed there. Yes. And mine, and yours. Only I remember mine, and you mine - no. He said you are mankurt.

      . Russia has nothing to do with it. She was not then, and we are talking about the crimes of the USSR.

      Russia, as a state, has existed for more than 1000 years. Damn it, historical truth. About state crimes - this is to comrade Donald Trumpov, the other day he spoke indiscriminately.)))


      . Quote: Dude
      You are not a Jew, forgive me, you are an ordinary mankurt - and such people have neither a clan nor a tribe.

      This is strong. wassat

      Oleg, I'm sorry, but it is.

      But, in general, it’s funny to watch how you spin, like in a frying pan when you beat you with facts winked
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        In your inflamed mind, of course. True, this has nothing to do with reality But you do not care about reality?))

        The USSR attacked Poland in September 1939. This is an indisputable historical fact.

        Quote: Dude
        Prof., do you all Slavic languages ​​and names cut the ear? Intolerant Yes, even if you don’t call this camp, our fathers were killed there. Yes. And mine, and yours. Only I remember mine, and you mine - no. He said you are mankurt.

        What I remember and that it’s not up to you to decide, but here’s what the USSR did to prevent killing in Auschwitz YOURS grandfathers? Why didn't you destroy this death machine? Never bombed why?

        Quote: Dude
        Russia, as a state, has existed for more than 1000 years. Damn it, historical truth. About state crimes - this is to comrade Donald Trumpov, the other day he spoke indiscriminately.)))

        The Russian Federation was formed in 1990. You even have a public holiday. Forgot? You can’t not love your homeland like that !!!

        Quote: Dude
        . Quote: Dude
        You are not a Jew, forgive me, you are an ordinary mankurt - and such people have neither a clan nor a tribe.

        This is strong. wassat

        Oleg, I'm sorry, but it is.

        Well, I say "strong." Take a pie from the shelf.

        Quote: Dude
        But, in general, it’s funny to watch how you spin, like in a frying pan when you beat you with facts

        I have been consistent all the years of being on this site, namely 8 years and have never spun, I don't spin. I do not change my shoes with another "change in the course of the party." You can check my comments. As for the "facts", you don’t have them. Agitation and Wishlist.
        1. Dude 7 January 2020 14: 58 New
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          Well, dear Professor, you asked for it yourself wink Well then, get:
          . The USSR attacked Poland in September 1939. This is an indisputable historical fact.
          The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, represented by the Red Army, occupied empty territory, which no one and no control, on which there was no state regulation, Moreover, absolutely officially, the authorities previously acting on that territory gave explanations to the world community about the refusal of leadership and responsibility for this territory.
          Could the Soviet Union do otherwise as it was? Of course no.
          Israel, as a state, behaved in a less legitimate environment, much tougher. (What was, objectively, not bad.)
          . What do I remember and what is not up to you to decide, but what did the USSR do to prevent YOUR grandfathers from being killed in Auschwitz? Why didn't you destroy this death machine? Never bombed why?

          Oleg, I want to send you a curse. My grandmother's sister died in Auschwitz. Yes, when I wrote that my grandfathers died there, I had in mind precisely this. Damn, it's hard for me to hold back.
          . I have been consistent all the years of being on this site, namely 8 years and have never spun, I don't spin. I do not change my shoes with another "change in the course of the party." You can check my comments. As for the "facts", you don’t have them. Agitation and Wishlist.
          Reply

          When you have nothing to say, it's time to shake the "orders." Eight years old. Strong. As the saying goes, wisdom with experience comes, alas, not to everyone.
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            Quote: Dude
            The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, represented by the Red Army, occupied an empty territory that was not controlled by anyone and had no state regulation, moreover, the authorities officially explained to the world community that they had abandoned leadership and responsibility for this territory.
            Could the Soviet Union do otherwise as it was? Of course no.
            Israel, as a state, behaved in a less legitimate environment, much tougher. (What was, objectively, not bad.)

            There was no "empty territory". It was the territory of the state of Poland inhabited by citizens of Poland, with all the attributes of statehood in Poland.

            Quote: Dude
            Oleg, I want to send you a curse. My grandmother's sister died in Auschwitz. Yes, when I wrote that my grandfathers died there, I had in mind precisely this. Damn, it's hard for me to hold back.

            What did the USSR do to prevent your relatives from being killed in Auschwitz? Why didn't you destroy this death machine? Never bombed why?

            Quote: Dude
            When you have nothing to say, it's time to shake the "orders." Eight years old. Strong. As the saying goes, wisdom with experience comes, alas, not to everyone.

            I wrote about 8 years so you can go through my comments and make sure of my consistency.
            1. Dude 7 January 2020 16: 13 New
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              . I wrote about 8 years so you can go through my comments and make sure of my consistency.

              Oleg, believe me, I have not been here for a couple of years either, just the Chukchi was not a writer at first))) And the fact that you are consistent in the flows of fakes, lies, Russophobia and xenophobia of the lowest bash, although seasoned with dashing rhetoric, I’m fine I know.

              Your insinuations about Auschwitz, excuse me, are just dirty, I have no other words.
              We ask (since we are talking about Poland), but it seems to me that I was right in calling you mankurt. Although, no, I flattered you, it would be necessary to use a different definition, it is a pity that the robot on the site does not allow it.
              Well, I was once again convinced that Edouard de Montaigne was right in his imperishable aphorism.
              For this I say goodbye, I’ll go wash my hands.
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      Quote: Professor
      The USSR attacked Poland in collusion with Hitler. Here is the undeniable truth.

      On September 3, Hitler’s allies, England and France attacked their ally fascist Germany, violating the non-aggression pact between them. It was Britain and France that unleashed the Second World War. This is also true.
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    You are not a Jew, forgive me, you are an ordinary mankurt - and such people have neither a clan nor a tribe.

    That's right ...
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    Quote: Professor

    No Russia attacked Poland. The USSR attacked Poland, and Russia was formed in 1991.

    In the war against Poland, the troops of the RSFSR (formed in 1917), the USR and the BSR took part. The Peace Treaty of Riga was signed in March 1921. And the USSR was formed on December 30, 1922. tongue tongue
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      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      Quote: Professor

      No Russia attacked Poland. The USSR attacked Poland, and Russia was formed in 1991.

      In the war against Poland, the troops of the RSFSR (formed in 1917), the USR and the BSR took part. The Peace Treaty of Riga was signed in March 1921. And the USSR was formed on December 30, 1922. tongue tongue

      Well done! History, infection, science is accurate, no matter what! drinks
  • smile 8 January 2020 03: 23 New
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    Hello Professor.
    Oleg,
    Mr. Oleg, can you answer why you write nonsense about the Soviet attack on Poland?
    I have few options to explain your position, can I state?
    1. You are offended by the Nazis, because everyone knows that it was the Poles who were the most active Nazi allies then in Europe. Sorry, but in this case, I intentionally run into you, just like you run into us.
    2. You are clearly a fan of Polish anti-Semites, because even you know (and even to me, a Vilnian grandmother, I told you) that the government of Poland in 34-39 that considers itself to be allies of Hitler Germany treated Jews not just badly, but almost as much as and the Nazis .... after all, comrade Jozef Beck and the guy our president mentioned are not only Russophobes. but also ardent anti-Semites, finished-both in the first and second positions ... and, Professor, I believe that Russophobe is the same. that anti-Semite ... they are usually both fascists .... or do you think otherwise? :))))
    3. Yeah and yes - no Russia attacked Poland ... and the USSR did not attack Poland ... - It's just that when an aggressive country that seized too many foreign lands, including ours, is a toxic country, Hitler’s closest ally, which was noted aggression and occupation against our country, Czechoslovakia - collapsed - then our country took under the protection of the previously occupied territory of Poland, so that they did not go to Hitler.
    Or do you, as a Jew, would like Hitler to get all the lands captured by Poland, including those that the Poles allied with the Nazis captured in the twenties? .. And what would have been local Jews?
    If so, can you say why?
    Why. a Jew now (not when people could not even know what absolutely European Germans would do to them) - now, knowing the past, he is trying to defend the right of quite anti-Semitic Poland, having seized foreign territories, to surrender them completely alien to all of the above-mentioned anti-Semitic Germany, but refuses while in the right to protect the population from all of the above? Or do you think that we should have left these territories to the Nazis only because you sympathize with them?
    4. Mr. Professor. Do you seriously believe that:
    - Under the Nazis, would the Russian people freed from the Poles be better?
    - would Jews who were killed in the Polish territories occupied by good Germans be better than Jews who were able to live normally in the territories freed from Polish occupation?
    5. Professor, you are a very smart person. You are very literate in a significant part of the issues of military and military equipment and, in general, at the platoon-company level raised here ....... plya ..... well, I ask you when you answer - either answer what you think or not answer nothing ....

    6. professor. About six years ago, you posted a video of your guys here, who, not without their stitches, but justified by their age, beautifully shot from an intermediate machine gun of your sort .... maybe the machine gun is not worth it, I’m not sure about the caliber and weight of an analogue of the PKK, only with you with the box .... The guy worked beautifully ...
    Damn, if you can, please put it out again, huh? :)))
    Professor. you can not, figs with him, but, damn it, you need ..
    So it goes... :))))
  • Olgovich 7 January 2020 10: 15 New
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    It is true that in 1938, Polish troops occupied Zaolzie, but it is also true that on September 17, Russia attacked Poland ....

    There Poland did not stink: this RUSSIAN land. And them defended from the occupation of the Germans.

    Or are you ... for the occupation of Western Russia by the Germans ?!
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      On September 17, Russia violated a treaty concluded in Riga. How much is a Russian word?
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        On September 17, Russia violated a treaty concluded in Riga.


        1. Poland attacked the RSFSR on January 1, 1919, violated the terms of the armies of 1919, 1920 and, taking advantage of the weakness of the country, occupied the land.

        What are the jackals who take advantage of weakness, recognize the Curzon line and ... do not give a damn about .... their word?

        2. RSfSR-NIKEM is not recognized. would you still with the Bahamas such an agreement was concluded.

        you did not answer a simple question: you are for the occupation of Western Russia by Nazis in 1939
        1. Michał Rakowski 7 January 2020 10: 45 New
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          Why does Russia conclude treaties, which it then violates? It was necessary not to sign the contract. What agreements is Russia going to violate? Russia cannot be trusted ...
          1. Olgovich 7 January 2020 10: 59 New
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            Why did Poland flagrantly violate its word RECOGNIZE the internationally recognized Curzon line?

            She RECOGNIZED her eastern border in 1945.
            What is she yelling now? Don't remember his word?
            Why did you conclude a contract?
        2. Michał Rakowski 7 January 2020 11: 20 New
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          There is a saying in Poland: Russia never attacks, Russia comes to the rescue ...
          1. Olgovich 7 January 2020 12: 07 New
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            Quote: Michał Rakowski
            There is a saying in Poland: Russia never attacks, Russia comes for help

            In the case of Poland, it was a mistake, yes ...

            For 6 years WWII, the population of Poland decreased by 6 million people. It was necessary to release it 20 years later: not a single Pole would have been there ....
          2. Fitter65 7 January 2020 13: 59 New
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            Quote: Michał Rakowski
            There is a saying in Poland: Russia never attacks, Russia comes to the rescue ...

            In the USSR there was a saying: Pole is not a nation, this is a profession, though not very ancient ....
          3. Pete mitchell 7 January 2020 18: 59 New
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            Quote: Michał Rakowski
            In Poland there is a saying ...

            More modest panov: I lived as a child in Poland, and then I worked. My father has a breakthrough of sayings about how to trust you - it is better to take care and double-check everything.
        3. mikh-korsakov 7 January 2020 12: 07 New
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          The independence of Poland was recognized by the powers as winners of the Versailles Peace Treaty, which was signed in 1919. Prior to this, since November 1918 Poland had been a self-proclaimed power. The statute of the Versailles Treaty was based on the memorandum of then US President Wilson, which stated that Poland is an independent state. Its composition in the east includes lands with an overwhelmingly superior Polish population. Based on this position, the Curzon line was drawn. In 1919 -1920, Poland treacherously attacked the fragile Soviet republic and captured western Belarus, forcing to sign the Riga Treaty. According to the results of the Yalta and Potsdam conferences, the eastern border of Poland was established along the Curzon line with a retreat in favor of Poland by 6-8 km. Poland disagree? - Give Danzig and Breslau to begin with. and then claim the rest.
          1. Michał Rakowski 7 January 2020 12: 25 New
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            In Poland, we have a different opinion - Russia treacherously, taking advantage of the weakness of Poland, made three sections ...
            1. Dude 7 January 2020 12: 48 New
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              Quote: Michał Rakowski
              In Poland, we have a different opinion - Russia treacherously, using the weakness of Poland, made three Section .

              ... Then she said - get dressed?))
              Do you even have breakfast, gentry, without mentioning Russia, can you?
              I know not. Pulls you to us, anyway, but brothers))) Just a younger brother dissolute))
            2. mikh-korsakov 7 January 2020 12: 49 New
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              Michal! They divided Poland into three: Prussia, Austria and Russia. I understand - Austria and Prussia are their Europeans - they simply did not allow Russia to capture Poznan and Krakow. Well - so be it. Now our move. At the beginning of the XVII century, Poland, taking advantage of the dynastic crisis in Russia, seized the impostor on the throne, and then occupied Moscow. Your move, maestro. But remember, I still have trump cards in my hands. By the way, I had a polka stick. How it all mixed up. But nothing - the owner ordered - we will renounce.
            3. ZAV69 7 January 2020 13: 04 New
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              Quote: Michał Rakowski
              In Poland, we have a different opinion - Russia treacherously, taking advantage of the weakness of Poland, made three sections ...

              And we in Russia do not care about your opinion. Is it intelligible?
              1. Michał Rakowski 7 January 2020 13: 33 New
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                This is not true. Russia is very attentive to what they say in Poland. Putin has spoken about this six times lately ...
            4. Local from the Volga 7 January 2020 13: 41 New
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              and the plane with your fools drunk, Russia also dropped ...
            5. BAI
              BAI 7 January 2020 14: 21 New
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              Russia treacherously, taking advantage of the weakness of Poland, made three sections.

              And what did Poland take advantage of by attacking Czechoslovakia? By the way, the expression "hyena of Europe" out of the blue arose?
            6. GenNick 7 January 2020 19: 10 New
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              Pan, Rakovski, let me intervene in your conversation. Tell me, how did Poland get the land 30 kilometers from Minsk, and why is Bialystok not in Belarus? But how did brother and sister find themselves on opposite sides of the borders? Remind me? Remind about Army Kraev?
              As they say here, in Belarus, this brother is not for you at the time of the saints (Pilsudsky) in the Sentsa and hold on to the wring ...
            7. Albert1988 8 January 2020 21: 10 New
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              In Poland, we have a different opinion - Russia treacherously, taking advantage of the weakness of Poland, made three sections ...

              But we must not live by our opinions - but by the facts, Poland, treacherously taking advantage of Russia's weakness, has torn away its historical territories / historical territories of its fraternal allied countries ...
      2. Dude 7 January 2020 11: 02 New
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        On September 17, Russia violated a treaty concluded in Riga. How much is a Russian word?

        С by whom did Russia conclude this (Jesuit) treaty? When the Red Army entered the territory of former Poland, neither in fact, nor legally, of this state already did not exist. And this is a sad fact of Polish history, but, fact . Where was the head of state at that moment? Government? Command of the armed forces? First answer these questions, and then we can continue the discussion. hi
        1. Michał Rakowski 7 January 2020 11: 08 New
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          September 17, Russia attacked Poland. Russian soldiers fought with the Polish army. Many Russians and Poles were killed. It was war and aggression because people were dying
          1. Same lech 7 January 2020 11: 13 New
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            September 17, Russia attacked Poland.
            belay
            What was that?
            No way the new Hollywood series Russians are coming.
          2. Dude 7 January 2020 11: 29 New
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            [quote =[/ i] Michał Rakowski] September 17, Russia attacked Poland. Russian soldiers fought with the Polish army. Many Russians and Poles were killed. It was a war and aggression because people were dying [/ quote]


            Sorry, but you contradict [i] everything
            - history, logic, common sense. I asked you three specific, simple as an orange, issueWill you answer them?

            No, of course, do not answer ...
            True - it’s such, it’s sometimes uncomfortable repeat
            But, goof with her, with the war, you explain to me something else - why in [i] (modern Poland [/ I)], Russia does not leave the front pages of the press, TV screens, conversations in the kitchen? .. In Russia, they recall Poland, believe me, only on big holidays, and then, casual drinks
            And, I add, Poland is a beautiful land, and among the Poles, I honestly have a lot of friends.
            But excrement like you stubbornly tries to drive a wedge between our peoples.
            What for? Cui, as they say, prodets?
            Certainly not the Poles.
            Actually, Dixi.
          3. Local from the Volga 7 January 2020 13: 43 New
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            The next time you are pushed again to swagger, just a glass rink will remain!
        2. Professor 7 January 2020 11: 45 New
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          Quote: Dude
          With whom did Russia conclude this (Jesuit) treaty? When the Red Army entered the territory of the former Poland, neither factually nor legally, this state no longer existed. And this is an unfortunate fact of Polish history, but, fact.

          Not a fact, but your fantasies. Remember, the League of Nations abolished Poland? Or did the Polish Sejm announce the liquidation of the state? Poland was actually and legally, and it was Poland that attacked the USSR.

          Quote: Dude
          Where was the head of state at that moment? Government? Command of the armed forces? First answer these questions, and then we can continue the discussion.

          It does not matter and is not a legal excuse for aggression.
          1. lucul 7 January 2020 12: 43 New
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            Remember, the League of Nations abolished Poland?

            Who is this League of Nations and where is it now? To decide the fate of countries.
            Poland was actually and legally, and it was Poland that attacked the USSR.

            For what purpose ? The goal should be, isn't it? Maybe the USSR had a goal to destroy Poland? No .
            Quote: Dude
            Where was the head of state at that moment? Government? Command of the armed forces? First answer these questions, and then we can continue the discussion.

            It does not matter and is not a legal excuse for aggression.

            And what guarantees were there then in 1939 that Poland could even exist as a state if Poland had not been 1919 years on the world map before 100, huh? After all, if history had taken a different path, we would never have seen Poland again. Perhaps Poland would not exist in the next 500 years - and that the government in exile would live these 500 years?
            The USSR returned the territories of Western Belarus and Ukraine occupied by Poland in 1919. Otherwise, these lands would have ceded to Germany.
          2. Dude 7 January 2020 13: 17 New
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            Quote: Professor
            Quote: Dude
            With whom did Russia conclude this (Jesuit) treaty? When the Red Army entered the territory of the former Poland, neither factually nor legally, this state no longer existed. And this is an unfortunate fact of Polish history, but, fact.

            Not a fact, but your fantasies. Remember, the League of Nations abolished Poland? Or did the Polish Sejm announce the liquidation of the state? Poland was actually and legally, and it was Poland that attacked the USSR.

            Quote: Dude
            Where was the head of state at that moment? Government? Command of the armed forces? First answer these questions, and then we can continue the discussion.

            It does not matter and is not a legal excuse for aggression.

            Not pharmacy, but facts. The League of Nations has discredited itself after Munich (I'm talking about a conspiracy), and subsequent history has clearly shown that this (I'm talking about the League of Nations) is like that. Believe me, appeals to her are not only insolvent, but simply ridiculous.

            Further, according to yours, excuse me, your theses:
            if all signs, symbols and the structure itself are removed from the territory of the former state State management, then, study the Law, this former state is recognized, and is insignificant.
            I will not say anything about the government that abandoned its people.
            Gaddafi and the former head of Iraq can be considered any kind of monsters, but they did not abandon their country, and did not run away from there.
            Unlike Rydz-Smigly.
            1. Professor 7 January 2020 13: 47 New
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              Quote: Dude
              Not pharmacy, but facts. The League of Nations has discredited itself after Munich (I'm talking about a conspiracy), and subsequent history has clearly shown that this (I'm talking about the League of Nations) is like that. Believe me, appeals to her are not only insolvent, but simply ridiculous.

              Nevertheless, it was in its jurisdiction and in the jurisdiction of the state itself whether it (the state) exists or not. No other state could do this for them. The fact that the scoop kicked out of the League of Nations does not change anything. The same thing is with the UN today. It is only in its jurisdiction to decide whether or not the state exists.

              Quote: Dude
              Further, according to yours, excuse me, your theses:
              if all signs, symbols and the structure of government itself are removed from the territory of the former state, then study the Law, this former state is recognized, and is void.

              In the territory Poland before the attack of the USSR there was no another state. Citizens remained citizens Poland, police, courts, prisons, banks, currency, universities, the army and other attributes of statehood were attributes of statehoodPoland and the USSR did not kill aliens, but citizens Poland. Shot 40 officers Poland. The Red Army crossed the SovietPolish border, joined the battle with Polish army and occupied Polish territory.

              Quote: Dude
              I will not say anything about the government that abandoned its people.

              This is the business of Poland and its people and does not make the intervention legitimate.

              Quote: Dude
              Gaddafi and the former head of Iraq can be considered any kind of monsters, but they did not abandon their country, and did not run away from there.

              At the time of the liquidation of Gaddafi who fled and hid in the sewers, or Saddam who also fled and hid in the basement, neither Libya nor Iraq ceased to be states.
      3. revnagan 7 January 2020 11: 14 New
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        How much is a Russian word?

        And how much does the Polish word cost if the Poles REGULARLY violated the agreements signed with Russia? Beginning from the time of False Dmitry and Maria Mniszek, from the time of Catherine the Great to the 20th century.
        1. Michał Rakowski 7 January 2020 11: 23 New
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          Over the past 500 years, Poland and Russia have fought 33 wars. Poland was an aggressor only once, when it was conquered by Moscow and the Kremlin ...
          1. JD1979 7 January 2020 11: 39 New
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            Over the past 500 years, Poland and Russia have fought 33 wars. Poland was an aggressor only once, when it was conquered by Moscow and the Kremlin ...

            Come on, so miserable that I don’t even want to comment. You have chosen an ungrateful audience for yourself, the fan throws more and more towards you. Go to the Censor, there is just your audience, like, like, as they say.
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              the fan throws more and more towards you. Go to the Censor, your audience is there

              Those. Do you think that there are no decent people here?
              1. JD1979 7 January 2020 11: 55 New
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                Those. Do you think that there are no decent people here?

                It depends on what you put in it. For the guardians of “from mozh to mozh” and “witnesses to the talk of the Commonwealth,” the audience is definitely indecent here.
          2. Dude 7 January 2020 12: 35 New
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            After the words:
            . Over the past 500 years, Poland and Russia have fought 33 wars
            I realized that your posts should be carefully analyzed in both Sickles and Birdhouse wassat Devil take me, what a texture! What a power!
            Tell me, have you long escaped from Kozhyakova Street?
          3. BAI
            BAI 7 January 2020 14: 23 New
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            Poland was an aggressor only once, when it was conquered by Moscow and the Kremlin ...

            Participation in the campaign of Napoleon (also, by the way, the Kremlin took) - a defensive mission?
          4. Albert1988 8 January 2020 21: 29 New
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            Over the past 500 years, Poland and Russia have fought 33 wars. Poland was an aggressor only once, when it was conquered by Moscow and the Kremlin ...

            So that Moscow specifically won someone ... well, yes - a city of 30000 inhabitants can and can put together a decent army to conquer some small principality ... But so that someone will conquer the Kremlin? This is something interesting and new)))) Do you postpone your propaganda rhetoric a little, written in America)))) What is “Armchair” as a political concept in the 16th century?

            And here you have, by the way, an interesting historical example. Uprising Kosciuszko. Warsaw Matins. "Heroic" Polish rebels showed such a degree of cruelty to Russian soldiers that even those surrendering and not wanting to fight were killed on the spot. Actually, the Russian garrison was so fiercely making its way to the exit from Warsaw, because the soldiers and officers understood that there would be no mercy and human treatment, they would simply be killed, spitting on all the laws of the war. Naturally, when Suvorov came to Warsaw, he did not in any way prevent the soldiers of the Russian army from committing violence against the civilian population of the city, since the residents themselves had already shown that they were animals and it was impossible to speak with them in a civilized way ...
            And then the Poles are outraged - Suvorov - a bloody executioner! apparently gentry pride interferes with looking at yourself?
        2. ssm
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          Quote: revnagan
          And how much does the Polish word cost if the Poles REGULARLY violated the agreements signed with Russia?

          When.
          Quote: Reagan
          Starting from the time of False Dmitry and Mary Mnishek, from the time of Catherine the Great and ending with the 20th century.

          Why are you lying?
          By the way, all the so-called "False Dmitry" is the rightful Tsar Dmitry Ivanovich. A little later, the Romanovs called him a Cossack (I don’t remember his last name) and killed him. They killed his son, the youngest Tsarevich Ivan (the last of the Rurikovich).
          And then they whimper in the basements in Tobolsk.
      4. Comrade Michael 7 January 2020 11: 40 New
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        Our word is expensive, but we only agree with worthy people. Other contracts can be violated.
        1. Michał Rakowski 7 January 2020 12: 28 New
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          Does anyone make Russians sign treaties? Why are you signing them?
          1. Svarog51 7 January 2020 19: 17 New
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            Both parties sign it, otherwise the contract is not valid. Who forces the Polish side to sign?
          2. Albert1988 8 January 2020 21: 31 New
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            Does anyone make Russians sign treaties?

            It forces, for example, in the year 21, Poland, pumped up with weapons, which first imposed a war on weak Russia, attacking its allies - Belarus and Ukraine, and, of course, defeated it, since there was still a civil war in Russia, imposed a treaty on Russia, rejecting the western regions of Belarus and Ukraine, which was a violation of the Curzon line ...
      5. figwam 7 January 2020 12: 13 New
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        Quote: Michał Rakowski
        Russia September 17 violated the agreement

        Your state of Poland, due to collusion with Hitler, ceased to exist, and we returned our lands where the Belarusians and Ukrainians lived, our troops went strictly to the Curzon line and we did not occupy any Polish lands.
        1. Michał Rakowski 7 January 2020 13: 36 New
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          Belarusians and Ukrainians are not Russian.
          1. figwam 7 January 2020 13: 40 New
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            Belarusians and Ukrainians are not Russian.

            And which ones? Polish? Unlike you, these are Orthodox people of the Russian Empire.
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              BAI 7 January 2020 14: 24 New
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              And which ones? Polish?

              Of course. To Smolensk inclusive. Everything is there - Poland.
          2. Svarog51 7 January 2020 19: 19 New
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            Belarusians and Ukrainians are not Russian.

            Who would argue. But definitely not Polish.
      6. Krasnoyarsk 7 January 2020 12: 58 New
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        Quote: Michał Rakowski
        On September 17, Russia violated a treaty concluded in Riga. How much is a Russian word?

        No matter how much the Russian word is worth, it has always been more expensive than the Polish.
        = The Council of People's Commissars of the RSFSR by its decree canceled the international treaties of the Russian Empire with Prussia and Austria. Among others, agreements regarding the sections of the Commonwealth were canceled. Thus, the Soviet government refused any claims to the territory of Poland and recognized its independence. However, the Polish authorities tried to restore the once existing empire and seized the western regions of Ukraine and Belarus. =
        This is how the Poles, taking advantage of the weakness of the RSFSR at that time, “thanked” the Russians for the freedom granted to the Poles by the Russians and recognition of the Polish state as independent.
      7. Dude 7 January 2020 13: 27 New
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        . How much is a Russian word?
        A lot. Remember what Bismarck commanded
        https://yandex.ru/images/touch/search?text=%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5%20%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B4%D0%B0%20%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%8F%D1%82%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%20%D1%81%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B8%20%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%8C%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8&source=tabbar&pos=0&img_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpimg.mycdn.me%2FgetImage%3FdisableStub%3Dtrue%26type%3DVIDEO_S_720%26url%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fvdp.mycdn.me%252FgetImage%253Fid%253D243424889541%2526idx%253D2%2526thumbType%253D32%2526f%253D1%26signatureToken%3DvHhXpiAgZAEIRre7zs5kPA&rpt=simage
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      Quote: Olgovich
      this RUSSIAN land.

      Have you ever seen the globe of Europe? Where are the Great Russians, and where did the Galicians with the Litvinians see?
      These are not even neighboring nations. Between them Rusichs (Little Russians) still live.
      1. Albert1988 8 January 2020 21: 33 New
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        Have you ever seen the globe of Europe? Where are the Great Russians, and where did the Galicians with the Litvinians see?
        These are not even neighboring nations. Between them Rusichs (Little Russians) still live.

        Ohhhh! All in a bunch! And the Great Russians, and Little Russians, and some Russians ... Again, complete illiteracy in ethnic issues ...
  • Sergey79 7 January 2020 10: 16 New
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    The USSR only returned what was rightfully .....
    1. RUSS 7 January 2020 11: 33 New
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      The USSR only returned what was rightfully .....

      By what right?
      1. Comrade Michael 7 January 2020 12: 54 New
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        By the right of the winner.
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      The USSR only returned what was rightfully .....

      The USSR in general was an illegitimate entity. What could belong to him there?
      1. Comrade Michael 7 January 2020 12: 53 New
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        Poland is not legitimate. You must rightfully belong to Germany and Russia.
        1. Michał Rakowski 7 January 2020 13: 38 New
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          Do not insult Poland. Russia is illegal, it belongs to the Mongols ...
          1. Svarog51 7 January 2020 16: 49 New
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            Russia is illegal, it belongs to the Mongols ...

            Well, the Mongols don’t even know about it. lol Short fur coats, lamb and horses were delivered to the Great Patriotic USSR, and much more. good Russia must again ask for the Mongol yoke and, with them, still conquer Europe. Only not to us, not to them it is not necessary. That's sadness then. request
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    September 17, Russia attacked Poland ....

    September 17, there was already no Poland. The Soviet Union, introduced troops into some already no man's land without a government and partially occupied by another state (Germany). Simply, they picked up what is bad. However, in 1945, after liberation, they gave more than they took, though at the expense of Germany, but a fact. It was necessary not to give.
    1. Michał Rakowski 7 January 2020 11: 10 New
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      No, there were Polish CPC troops on the Polish-Russian border. Many Russians died in this aggression.
      1. orionvitt 7 January 2020 11: 22 New
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        No, there were Polish CPC troops on the Polish-Russian border

        So what? Few where were their troops. The next division of Poland in 1939 was inevitable. It seems to me that they are again striving to step on the same rake. Only then they flirted with the tiger in the face of Germany, and now they flirt with the dragon in the face of the United States. For Poland this will not end in good, as they say, "you love honey, love and chill."
        1. Michał Rakowski 7 January 2020 11: 30 New
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          Why should this end badly for Poland? Do you want to attack us? We are not going to go to Moscow in tanks ...
          1. Comrade Michael 7 January 2020 11: 45 New
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            You can pack anywhere. And you would pack up. But your gut is thin. Militarily, you are now a third-rate power, and your voice in NATO is needed only to nudge your master, the United States. But under the wing of the owner, you hope to tidy up Belarus and Kaliningrad. Neither one nor the other shines for you. You are at the margins of history, you are no longer doing it, and your destiny is to forever discuss the traditions of ancient times .... Go on!)))
          2. JD1979 7 January 2020 11: 51 New
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            Why should this end badly for Poland?

            Because it is necessary to learn history, they say it saves from cones. As I understand it, the 3 sections of the "Hyenas of Europe" (Churchill) did not teach anything proud, but brainless nobles? What are you divided then? Divided from the fact that you simply zadolbali your Wishlist applications for "world domination" of all your neighbors, who at that time made a realpolitik in this region.
            Now I look, you all again have to around. It may happen that at first you will be cleansed of someone else's, and then they will see who will eventually remain. And if you think that your landlord will help you .... he didn’t do so much before he helped his “allies”, but there was no talk of sixes at all, ask Georgia. Yes, and the messages from the white house, no longer formidable speeches, but the cries of a hysterical recall.
            1. Michał Rakowski 7 January 2020 12: 32 New
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              I see that you know very little about Poland and the Poles. Please study from books, not from newspapers ...
              1. JD1979 7 January 2020 12: 46 New
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                I see that you know very little about Poland and the Poles. Please study from books, not from newspapers ...

                I see that you know very little about the arts of psheks in Western Belarus, study from textbooks and archives and not from the yellow press and tales of great pshekia from mozh to mozh.
                The desire to "forget" what was, leads to the fact that the rake can again suddenly rise.
                And, suddenly, Bialystok do not want to return to their homeland?)))
              2. Svarog51 7 January 2020 16: 56 New
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                Well, why? The collections about Tomek and Sat-Oka are very interesting. And “Four Tankers and a Dog” in Russia is loved more than at home. Do not tell me why this is so with the film?
          3. hhhhhhh 7 January 2020 12: 11 New
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            Why should this end badly for Poland?

            re-read the story, for which they shared Poland. For the Hyena.
          4. andelc 7 January 2020 12: 37 New
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            We are going to. And the partition of Poland is a tradition, the so-called Russian fun. And for the death of the Red Army in the camps, my great-grandchildren will also remember and take revenge. And any agreements with everyone outside the Curzon line are not worth the paper on which they are written. These are just Anglo-Saxon games. By we live according to the laws of our ancestors, who bequeathed to soak the psheks of Catholics in the toilet for the betrayal of faith.
          5. orionvitt 7 January 2020 16: 24 New
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            Do you want to attack us?

            No, but you are urging. You are begging right. True in our time, tank wedges are no longer so relevant. You can simply bomb in the Stone Age, place more American bases at your place. laughing
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          The next division of Poland in 1939 was inevitable.

          Did you join the opinion of Hitler and Dzhugashvili?
          By the way, Dzhugashvilya, full of tears and snot, 30.07.1941/30.07.1941/XNUMX, all that was seized from Poland was returned to her (the Maisky-Sikorsky Agreement of XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX). Otherwise, the Anglo-Saxons refused to take it under their roof. And without this, he had a guaranteed caput.
          1. Comrade Michael 7 January 2020 12: 57 New
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            Stalin was our great leader, and the Poles were and will be small, vicious enemies trying to grab us with their teeth by the foot ...
            1. Michał Rakowski 7 January 2020 13: 41 New
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              You ran away from our soldiers many times, losing your pants ...
              1. Svarog51 7 January 2020 17: 04 New
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                All your Polish Army was dressed in pants made in my city. Russia also provided weapons and ammunition. France and that one of the "Yak-3" in the museum stores, which as a sign of friendship was donated to the "Normandy-Niemen." By the way, they were also formed in our city. If you are interested, you can name my place of residence. wink
      2. Olgovich 7 January 2020 11: 23 New
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        Quote: Michał Rakowski
        No, there were Polish CPC troops on the Polish-Russian border. Many Russians died in this aggression.

        Those. you-for the occupation of Lviv by the Nazis?
        1. ssm
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          Quote: Olgovich
          .e. you-for the occupation of Lviv by the Nazis?

          For non-interference of the USSR in WW2. In which he lost 42 million people or 20% of his pre-war population.
          This is what the pre-war ambitions of Dzhugashvili cost the population of the USSR.
          1. hhhhhhh 7 January 2020 12: 13 New
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            The West fed Hitler, and Stalin was to blame.
            Is it time for Poland’s regional power not to interfere in the affairs of the Great Powers. Poland is too small.
          2. Dude 7 January 2020 13: 46 New
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            Quote: ssm
            Quote: Olgovich
            .e. you-for the occupation of Lviv by the Nazis?

            For non-interference of the USSR in WW2. In which he lost 42 million people or 20% of his pre-war population.
            This is what the pre-war ambitions of Dzhugashvili cost the population of the USSR.

            We before Kuibyshev (Samara) had to not intervene? Or to Sverdlovsk? Al to Tobolsk already then?
            God forgive me, and with what kind of wind such fabulous (s) brings here ?! what
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              We before Kuibyshev (Samara) had to not intervene? Or to Sverdlovsk? Al to Tobolsk already then?

              You did not have to rock the line from Stalin. And sit on the pope quietly and evenly.
              But no, flooded forward bulging eyes, hands raking. "Seized the moment."
              As a result, in less than 4 years, minus 42 million people or 20% of the pre-war population of the USSR.
              Here it is "the great insight of the great Sralin."
              By the way, and on what front did you fight?
              Not on what?
              And where does "us" then? Russia did not participate in the 2 MV.
              You are just an ordinary impostor. Windbag.
              Quote: Dude
              God forgive me, and with what kind of wind such fabulous (s) brings here ?!

              But I can’t understand how fabulous you live.
              1. Dude 7 January 2020 18: 51 New
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                As a result, in less than 4 years, minus 42 million people or 20% of the pre-war population of the USSR.

                My dearest! What are you, really, trifles! Measure in billions, millions, now, not in trend)))
                PS In truth, I’ll tell you, half of them the bloody Dzhugashvilli personally killed!
                And ate.
                PPS Note, I did not write Stalin, otherwise I’m afraid you would have a fierce explosion (you yourself know what) would have turned out)))
                From this name alone.
      3. figwam 7 January 2020 12: 29 New
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        The Polish occupiers oppressed the Ukrainians and Belarusians, in September 1939 peasant uprisings began, followed by reprisals against the Polish panes and only the arrival of the Red Army brought peace.
        1. ssm
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          Quote: figvam
          Polish occupiers oppressed Ukrainians and Belarusians

          There were neither Belarusians nor Ukrainians.
          There lived Rusyns (Galicians) and Litvins (different).
          Quote: figvam
          in September 1939, peasant uprisings began,

          This one is completely out of sorts. He no longer pour.
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            Quote: ssm
            There were neither Belarusians nor Ukrainians.

            At least you read Wikipedia.

            - The line basically corresponds to the ethnographic principle: to the west of it there were lands with a predominance of the Polish population, to the east - territories with a predominance of non-Polish (Lithuanian, Belarusian, Ukrainian) people.

            Quote: ssm
            This one is completely out of sorts. He no longer pour.

            Read at least something in your life!
            “... When on September 17 they heard on the radio in the villages about the liberation campaign of the Red Army in Western Belarus, the former members of the KPZB, Komsomol members, and the revolutionary peasant activists went to Skidel. I also came to Skidel. We met at Moses Light’s apartment the underground members Boris Olekh, Mikhail Litvin and others decided to prepare flags, organize people to solemnly meet the Red Army. A cry came from the street: “They beat the police!” We ran out of the apartment and headed to the square. There, it turns out, Joseph Lapitsky and Mikhail Soroka they took away a carabiner from the police Elk. Someone called out: “Disarm the police!” The crowd quickly grew and rustled. About 20 armed peasants came from the Golovichi, led by former KPZB member, ”he recalled in 1957. participant in the uprising George Shagun. [1]

            On September 18, the Polish authorities threw large forces to suppress the uprising. A train of soldiers and police was sent from Bridges, but the rebels managed to dismantle the rails in the vicinity of Skidel and force the military to surrender. Also trucks arriving from the Lakes with Polish soldiers were ambushed. Thus, the first attempt by the authorities to quickly suppress the uprising failed.

            On September 19, a squadron of Polish lancers was sent from Skrodel to Grodno with the support of the infantry. With the support of a local Polish asset, the city was taken. Soldiers randomly threw grenades and almost completely burnt residential buildings in the city center. 31 rebels were brutally executed, 70 people were arrested and awaiting execution. Punishers tortured captive rebels, cut red stars on their chests, gouged out their eyes, and cut off their ears.

            “During the suppression of the uprising, 29 partisans were brutally murdered by the punishers, and the fact of the murder was accompanied by unspeakable bullying, in particular: the partisans were punched out, their veins were pulled out, their tongues were broken, their limbs were broken, they chopped into small pieces, for example, one of the brutally tortured the leaders of the uprising, the Komsomolets Pochimok Lazar and others. In the atrocious reprisals against the partisan Kotok (they pulled out their tongues, gouged out their eyes and cut them in pieces), the punishers, threatened with death, forced the latter’s wife to be an eyewitness of this reprisal. they made her kiss, stating: “Jews kiss, the Communists, she will never be your Polish land.” They beat her on the head and stamped her feet. The houses of the rebels were punished with kerosene and set on fire, throwing grenades in the direction of the windows and doors, ” - reported the results of the preliminary investigation on June 200, 14 to the first secretary of the Central Committee of the CP (b) B P. Ponomarenko s Deputy Prosecutor of the BSSR Gunzburg. [1940]

            During the reconstruction of events, the Belarusian historian Nikolai Malishevsky reported about 26 shot rebels, about a hundred were mutilated and beaten, about 200 were awaiting reprisal. [3] The punitive was stopped by a flying detachment of the Red Army - two armored cars and two tanks under the command of Captain Chernyavsky.

            “On the morning of September 19, a motorized group was formed from the tank battalions of the 100th and 2nd infantry divisions and the armored vehicles of the reconnaissance battalion of the 2nd division ... At 7 hours on September 20, she was tasked with attacking Grodno. In the city, Skidel’s motorcycle group was confronted by a Polish detachment (about 200 people) that suppressed the anti-Polish actions of the local population, 17 local residents were killed in this punitive raid, including 2 teenagers 13 and 16. When deployed, the motorcycle group attacked the enemy in Skidel from both flanks Hoping to stop the tanks, the Poles set fire to the bridge, but the Soviet tankers sent the vehicles through the fire and managed to slip over the burning bridge, which collapsed after the passage of the tanks, to the other side of the Skidel river, "the Red Army report said. [4]

            On the night of September 20, units of the Red Army approached Skidel, preventing further reprisal. The Polish military and gendarmes surrendered.
            News of the Skidel Uprising quickly spread around the area, which led to a panic among the Polish administration and the gendarmerie, which massively left their posts for fear of reprisal. In addition, the most combat-ready units of the Polish army were drawn to Skidel, which contributed to the occupation by the Red Army units of approaches to Grodno by the evening of September 19, 1939.

            15 active participants in the suppression of the Skidel Uprising were arrested by the NKVD and executed in October 1939.

            Surviving rebels took part in the establishment of Soviet power and the Great Patriotic War.
            1. ssm
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              What a long nonsense.
              1. figwam 7 January 2020 14: 25 New
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                Quote: ssm
                What a long nonsense.

                Only you are talking nonsense.
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        BAI 7 January 2020 14: 29 New
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        Many Russians died in this aggression.

        As the chief of the General Staff of the Polish Army, Vaclav Stachevich, wrote, the Polish units were "disoriented by the Bolsheviks' behavior, because they basically avoided firing, and their commanders claimed that they had come to the aid of Poland against the Germans. For the most part, Soviet soldiers do not shoot, they treat ours with demonstrative sympathy, share cigarettes, etc., repeat everywhere that they are going to help Poland ”[42].

        Wherein:
        1.
        Based on the political instructions of Ribbentrop, Keitel formulated the task to Canaris: "You, Canaris, must organize an uprising with the help of Ukrainian organizations working with you and having the same goals, namely Poles and Jews." Ribbentrop, specifying the forms of rebellion, specifically pointed out on the need to destroy the Poles and the Jews. By “Ukrainian organizations” was meant the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists [13] [14]. The result of these instructions is the so-called “Canaris Memorandum of September 12, 1939”, presented in the materials of the Nuremberg Tribunal as document 3047-ps.

        2.
        local same Ukrainian, Belorussian and Jewish population mainly assisted parts of the Red Army, in a number of places creating armed units operating against the Polish authorities.

        God forgive me for quoting from WIKI, but the obvious things have to be repeated.
    2. ssm
      ssm 7 January 2020 11: 52 New
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      Quote: orionvitt
      September 17, there was already no Poland.

      You're lying.
      Quote: orionvitt
      The Soviet Union, sent troops to some already no man's land without a government

      You're lying.
      The Commander-in-Chief of the Polish Army Rydz-Smigly in the evening of September 17 issued an order by radio to read as follows:
      The tips have invaded. I order the withdrawal to Romania and Hungary by the shortest routes. We shall not conduct combat operations with the Soviets, only if they try to disarm our units. The task for Warsaw and Modlin, which must defend themselves against the Germans, is unchanged. The units to which the Soviets approached should negotiate with them with a view to leaving the garrisons in Romania or Hungary. ... Parts of the CPC and parts that covered the “Romanian platform” - continue to resist
      1. Operator 7 January 2020 12: 32 New
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        Like - brave sunflowers, lie down with bones, and I, your commander in chief, am leaving for the waters in Romania.

        But the joke is different: the Reedz-Smigly order meant self-capitulation of the Polish army with its withdrawal abroad for further internment. And a country without an army cannot be considered a state, which was to be proved. The USSR was occupied by no man's land, previously occupied by Poland.

        The remaining litter country Poland lay on its back, spread its legs and received satisfaction from Germany.
        1. Dude 7 January 2020 13: 49 New
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          . . And a country without an army cannot be considered a state, which was to be proved. The USSR was occupied by no man's land, previously occupied by Poland.

          The remaining litter country Poland lay on its back, spread its legs and received satisfaction from Germany.
          Reply
          Rude, but right! good
  • revnagan 7 January 2020 11: 06 New
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    Quote: Michał Rakowski
    it is true that in 1938 Polish troops occupied Zaolzie

    This is not true, but half-truth, which, as you know, is worse than a lie. And the truth is, Poland, together with Nazi Germany, attacked Czechoslovakia and occupied part of its territory. On September 17, 1939, the Soviet Union sent troops into the territories that were still recognized as Soviet in 1920, but which Poland treacherously captured. The USSR did not attack POLAND, but simply regained its own, according to the Law. But you certainly would prefer that the Germans enter instead of the USSR, they are Europeans, closer to you in spirit, and Czechoslovakia you robbed with them ...
    1. Michał Rakowski 7 January 2020 11: 16 New
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      Then why did Russia sign the treaty in Riga, recognizing that these are Polish territories?
      1. Gardamir 7 January 2020 12: 33 New
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        Mr. Rakovski, everything suited Poland in 1945, what are you looking for now? And why do not you want to discuss the issue of Poland’s conspiracy with Nazi Germany and a joint attack on independent Czechoslovakia?
        1. Michał Rakowski 7 January 2020 12: 48 New
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          You can talk about aggression against Czechoslovakia in 1938 and 1968, I'm not afraid of the truth ...
      2. andelc 7 January 2020 12: 44 New
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        After the assassination of the Red Army, she unilaterally withdrew from the treaty; have you not been taught at school?
      3. revnagan 7 January 2020 16: 09 New
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        And why did Poland long before signing the treaties with Russia, recognizing itself as a part of Russia, and then treacherously tearing up these treaties? And how many times did Poland do this before Russia broke off the force imposed and unprofitable treaty on her once?
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      Quote: revnagan
      On September 17, 1939, the USSR introduced troops into the territories that were recognized as Soviet back in 1920, but which Poland treacherously captured.

      He didn’t send troops, but attacked Poland.
      “Treacherously captured” in the form of reparations under the Riga Treaty after an unsuccessful attack on it by the RSFSR during the “Polish campaign” of Tukhachevsky.
      Soviet stubbornly deny even obvious facts.
      What can we say about those cases when everything is not so obvious? In these cases, they generally lie in the most arrogant way.
      Amazing creatures. Although in appearance and humanoid.
  • Comrade Michael 7 January 2020 11: 35 New
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    These historical discussions will bring you to the present war. With the current bitterness against Poland that you provoked, do you need to explain to you what will happen to you?
    1. Michał Rakowski 7 January 2020 11: 44 New
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      Do you want to attack Poland again?
      1. Comrade Michael 7 January 2020 11: 50 New
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        Do you want that. Your behavior is victimized. Apparently your whole nation has masochistic inclinations ... I am against discussing historical topics with the Poles. Let the Poles tinker with this, and Russia must create the future without stopping.
      2. andelc 7 January 2020 12: 47 New
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        No, peacefully by partition under some trick agreement with the FRG, we will take our own: Hill and Przemysl, they are their lands. And the most interesting thing is that everything will be legal and recognized by the international community, give time
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      Quote: Comrade Michael
      These historical discussions will bring you to the present war.

      Not at all. The Soviets are incapable of waging war (as, indeed, of productive labor, which is why they traditionally live in poverty).
      Their destiny is a malicious hiss from the corners. So the Internet arrived in time to help them. Very comfortably.
      And war is a craft. Specialty. Therefore, this is not about the Soviet.
      1. Comrade Michael 7 January 2020 12: 09 New
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        In general, we value you far below the Anglo-Saxons, Germans, Chinese and Russians. You don’t enter and never will enter the elite club.))) Alas, despite the fact that you got corrupted and imagined that you have no place at the common table ...)
      2. Tamparu 7 January 2020 12: 59 New
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        Soviet are incapable of waging war


        Who would say, Dear ...
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        Their destiny is a malicious hiss from the corners.

        laughing Oh, who would talk about the evil hiss ...
  • Uncle Izya 7 January 2020 19: 30 New
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    What would you say the USSR entered upon the Belarusian lands when there was no government in Warsaw and part of Lithuania you did not occupy Yakub Vilno?
    By manner, you look like Yakub that Solovyov has a frequent guest
  • 75 Sergey 7 January 2020 20: 39 New
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    In general, they reached their borders, and the situation had to be saved, the troops were not brought in at the same time, and Poland had a chance to shrug off the Germans, but couldn’t, they had to take the initiative into their own hands.
    So do not distort.
  • smile 8 January 2020 02: 23 New
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    Yeah, it's true, Poland is the first country on the planet to conclude a non-aggression pact with Hitler Germany .... back in 34, yeah, and it was she who torn the Czech Republic along with Hitler - do you agree with that?)
    Or will you cross the navel from the Czechs whom the Nazis and Poles occupied?
    And yes, on September 17, the USSR crossed the border of Hitler’s most active ally - Poland, which had already been marked by the seizure of Russian lands.
    Pilsudski and his followers did not hide the fact that if the Poles did not have Ukrainian slaves, then there would be no Greater Poland.
    our troops crossed the border of the country. whose government was masterfully deftly, as always, escaped even before the Germans managed to destroy its army. Somewhere on September 14th - they were already in Romania then, which Hitler was dissatisfied with.
    .aga, and we sent troops to the Russian territories occupied by the Poles only on the 17th day ... when even the enti wretched allies of Hitler left the territory they controlled, .... here we are, fucking, invaders ... :)))) Our people defended against Hitler, because if we hadn’t done it, these territories would have passed under the Nazi control .. Yeah, it would have become closer to us ......
    And shaw, we did it in vain,?
    Or are you a supporter of the father of Hitler?
  • tihonmarine 7 January 2020 09: 17 New
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    Enough to ignore and not notice! The truth-uterus poke these bastards!

    This had to be done for a long time, and poking constantly, without ceasing.
  • Same lech 7 January 2020 09: 18 New
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    Yes, here we need not only a decree, but a whole package of laws aimed at banning the Polish political elite from discussing the results of the Second World War ...
    After all, it is visible with the naked eye that the Poles need to distort the history of WWII in such a way that it is possible to bill Russia as the heiress of the USSR ... hehe heh, this is a crook ... here are scammers of historical lies.
    No, the Poles will definitely run into a tough response and it’s time for the Poles themselves to bill for the fact that the Red Army saved Poland from the complete extermination of Nazi Germany by the Nazis ... and helped to restore the destroyed economy of Poland after the Second World War ... we must work ahead of schedule and calculate in advance invoice Poland with running interest until 2020 ... put them in the year of the Rat ... hehe heh dead rat.
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      Quote: The same Lech
      and it’s just right for us to bill ourselves to the Poles for the fact that the Red Army saved Poland from the complete extermination of Nazi Germany by the Nazis

      1. And what, for some reason did the Nazis exterminate the Poles during 2mV?
      2. To whom "us"? Russia did not participate in WW2.
      Quote: The same Lech
      moreover, it helped to restore the destroyed economy of Poland after the Second World War ...

      Not Poland, but “socialist Poland.” Poland regained its independence only in 1990.
      1. Same lech 7 January 2020 12: 14 New
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        2. To whom "us"? Russia did not participate in WW2.
        smile
        Russia yes ... the USSR participated ... and Russia is the successor of the USSR ... with all recognized rights and obligations.
        For Russia paid off the debts of the USSR ... few people prefer to talk about this.
        And the Nazis crushed the Poles well in Warsaw ...
        Poland did not regain its independence ... it smoothly passed from the hands of the USSR into the hands of the USA ... hehe girl with low social responsibility.
  • Grits 7 January 2020 09: 26 New
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    Quote: Olgovich
    The Duma has long had time to adopt a decree on the start date of WWII on October 1, 1938, when, together with Germany and Hungary, Poland tore Czechoslovakia to pieces

    Indeed, if we consider the beginning of WW2 on September 1, 1939, when Germany attacked Poland, then Poland seems to automatically become a victim. And if October 1, 1938, then a very good such aggressor. True, before that, Spain was blazing, and the Japanese genocide Asians. Yes, and about Khalkhin Gol with Hasanam we remember.
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      Quote: Gritsa
      if we consider the beginning of WWII on September 2, 1, when Germany attacked Poland, then Poland seems to automatically become a victim. And if October 1939, 1, then a very good such aggressor.

      Actually, the tribunal in Nuremberg set the start date for WW2 unambiguously, September 01.09.1939, XNUMX. Public denial of the findings of this trebunal, as you do, is a criminal offense in the Russian Federation.
      Quote: Gritsa
      Yes, and about Khalkhin Gol with Hasanam we remember.

      And what do you remember? As the USSR squeezed the hill from Manchurian, and the Chinese (and then Manchurian) so-called Mongolia?
      1. stalkerwalker 7 January 2020 12: 34 New
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        Quote: ssm

        In fact, the Nuremberg tribunal set a start date for 2MB Odin

        Tell me, dear, what is said in the final documents of the Nuremberg Tribunal about the causes of the Second World War and its instigators? Is there also the USSR equated with Nazi Germany?
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          Quote: stalkerwalker
          Tell me, dear, what is said in the final documents of the Nuremberg Tribunal about the causes of the Second World War and its instigators?

          Are you blind? Or do you have internet only for VO?
          1. stalkerwalker 7 January 2020 23: 21 New
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            Quote: ssm
            Are you blind? AND

            No need to be rude, Monya ....
            You are as smart as the whole volume of the Talmud. Or can you flood Tokma? By which time do you register for VO? And every time you are taken out of here in pursuit of skulls ....
      2. Grits 8 January 2020 06: 34 New
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        Quote: ssm
        And what do you remember? As the USSR squeezed the hill from Manchurian, and the Chinese (and then Manchurian) so-called Mongolia?

        We remember that as a result of the war on these hills, the USSR protected the people of Mongolia from enslavement and genocide. But the Japanese made it clear that jokes are bad with us. What the Japanese remembered throughout the Second World War
  • Professor 7 January 2020 09: 32 New
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    Quote: Olgovich
    The Duma has long had time to pass a resolution on the start date of WWII on October 1, 1938, when, together with Germany and Hungary, Poland tore Czechoslovakia to pieces.

    And she also needs to adopt a decree that the Earth is flat and the Sun rotates around the Earth.
    1. Olgovich 7 January 2020 10: 44 New
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      Quote: Professor
      Quote: Olgovich
      The Duma has long had time to pass a resolution on the start date of WWII on October 1, 1938, when, together with Germany and Hungary, Poland tore Czechoslovakia to pieces.

      She also needs to make a decision that Earth is flat and the sun is spinning around the Earth.

      so it is already Israel accepted. Forgot?belay request
    2. Walking 7 January 2020 13: 29 New
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      falcons Oleg change nickname you do not pull on the professor
  • hydrox 7 January 2020 09: 33 New
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    Yes, that would make sense, but only with one emphasis :: Germany attacked the USSR ONLY THEN when it put under its control the ENTIRE ECONOMY of Europe, encouraging all European countries to release weapons for the Wehrmacht, which are only concerns :: Swedish SKF, Czech Tatra , Hungarian RABA, Dutch PHILIPS, Finnish Vauhti ...
    1. Alex Justice 7 January 2020 10: 31 New
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      Yesterday, in a dock movie on the SBS channel, I found out that 600 French people enjoyed working for Hitler. Goebels even praised them, they said they work 20 percent better than the Germans.
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        1. orionvitt 7 January 2020 11: 07 New
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          And ours didn’t work there, didn’t fight in the ROA?

          Tell me please, at least one battle in which the ROA participated? And ours did not work there, they were stolen by force, as slaves, in contrast to the same French or Chekhov. If you call it "work," then I'm sorry.
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            1. figwam 7 January 2020 12: 39 New
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              Quote: ssm
              Slaves were the Soviet "rear workers". Whose "work schedule" and feeding were worse than that of prisoners of Nazi concentration camps.

              What a smelly troll ...
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                1. figwam 7 January 2020 12: 52 New
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                  Quote: ssm
                  Look at yourself

                  All the home front workers had a day off, and you are a liar.
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                  2. figwam 7 January 2020 13: 12 New
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                    Quote: ssm
                    We worked 12 hours a day, seven days a week. And often spent the night in factories too.

                    You know too little boy, now the same enterprises operate around the clock and shift for 12 hours, there was one day off in wartime, and we spent the night in factories because during the evacuation they were built in the field and there was nowhere for people to live.
          2. Xenofont 7 January 2020 13: 05 New
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            The Germans hijacked my uncle, a 2-meter-old, healthy man of 15 years old, to work from Ukraine. When they left home, he was not standing on his feet, he was not visible behind the shaft of the broom. The Pole saved him when he wandered home on foot: he fed and demanded nothing in return.
      2. revnagan 7 January 2020 16: 14 New
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        Quote: Alexander Alekseev_2
        And ours didn’t work there, didn’t fight in the ROA?

        YOURS worked and fought. But how many of them were there, YOURS something.
  • The leader of the Redskins 7 January 2020 09: 36 New
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    In fact, many historians are inclined to believe that the Second World War began in 1936, when the Spanish Civil War broke out, but many other countries were drawn into it directly or indirectly.
  • Xenofont 7 January 2020 10: 25 New
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    Our sleepy historians from among the "courtiers" are not in a hurry to pick up Putin's trend (sorry for the expression ...), because they are printed in the West with the exposure of the "horrors of Sovietism" and the "triumph of world democracy in the post-Soviet period ..." And then the risk to be shaking hands, for the "West" is united in anti-Russian rhetoric like never before!
  • Terenin 7 January 2020 10: 58 New
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    Gap pattern at the poles. For a long time it was necessary to declassify documents and publish about all the countries of the collective West, who were with the Nazis, killed people with them, who reported and served in the Gestapo. We have these documents. And may they have a cultural shock. And then we are accustomed to indulging in a rather rude way to poke the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact ... and the hands themselves have blood elbows ...
  • ssm
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    Quote: Olgovich
    The State Duma has long had time to adopt the Resolution on the start date of WWII -1 October 1938

    Any decision can be accepted. But to whom in the world will it be interesting?
    To listen to your opinion, this must be reinforced with something. But Russia has nothing to reinforce its Wishlist.
    1. Comrade Michael 7 January 2020 11: 56 New
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      Russia is the only country independent of the United States, and we have nothing to back up the Wishlist? ))) And what is Poland? jumps from one owner to another, wags its tail, growls ... Always on a leash and in a collar.
    2. JD1979 7 January 2020 12: 06 New
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      To listen to your opinion, this must be reinforced with something. But Russia has nothing to reinforce its Wishlist.

      And Poland can reinforce how, just like that, everyone was blown up and ran to pay her restitution. ChSV land your. If Russia starts to confirm its opinion, many will have to look for the fifth corner.
  • Julius Caesar 7 January 2020 11: 51 New
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    In fact, WWII began with Marco Polo on July 7, 1937.
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  • rich 7 January 2020 09: 00 New
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    Poland is going to ban RUSSIA !!! It’s impossible to even comment on it without laughing.
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      Poland is going to ban RUSSIA !!!

      It was necessary to forbid Stalin to liberate Poland, and the like.
    2. mikh-korsakov 7 January 2020 09: 29 New
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      Alexei. The president of Poland was especially hurt by Putin’s statement on the statements of the Polish ambassador eighty years ago. He was offended and even refused to participate in a joint event in Israel regarding the liberation of Auschwitz. That is, such as the fact that even after this I do not sit down with Putin at the same table. At the same time, understanding that failure to participate in an event related to Poland is an image loss for Poland. Why's that? Or maybe not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. Maybe President Duda himself is also an “anti-Semitic pig"?
      1. hydrox 7 January 2020 09: 51 New
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        If you approach the problem in terms of the similarity of the process of generational change, then yes, young people split into “right” and “left”, and the farther, the more noticeable.
        If in the Union in 1954 hundreds of thousands of OUN members, Bandera and other fascist shortcomings were released from the camps, today the SS torchlight processions are naturally becoming natural, and in countries that have immediately fallen from prosperity into poverty. ...
  • apro 7 January 2020 09: 01 New
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    Quote: Victor_B
    Something, somehow it became even scary!

    Why be afraid? the posits of Poland and Russia are close ... the bloody bodybuilders began the war. The Moscow treaty of 1939 was criminal. In Katyn, the Poles personally shot IVStalin from LPBeria for a couple. Bolsheviks spread rot both Russian and Polish peoples. ALL ...
    1. Obi-Wan Kenobi 7 January 2020 09: 40 New
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      the bloody bodysheviks started the war. The 1939 Moscow treaty was criminal. In Katyn, the Poles personally shot IVStalin from LPBeria for a couple. Bolsheviks spread rot both Russian and Polish peoples. ALL ...

      Both on! And this one there!
      Where did you come from, ignoramus! The poor man!
      1. apro 7 January 2020 09: 58 New
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        Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
        Where did you come from, ignoramus! The poor man!

        That is, the President of Russia deputies of the State Minister of Government ignoramus? This song is pouring from TV and you are not tasteful? Strange ...
      2. Sotskiy 7 January 2020 11: 19 New
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        Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
        Both on! And this one there!
        Where did you come from, ignoramus! The poor man!

        Where from? He watches TV, reads Russian newspapers. lol
        2010 year. The guarantor said at a press conference that the shooting in Katyn was "Joseph Stalin's personal revenge for his defeat in the Soviet-Polish war."
        On November 26, 2010, the Russian State Duma adopted a statement “On the Katyn tragedy and its victims,” which acknowledges that the mass shooting of Polish citizens in Katyn was carried out according to the direct instructions of Stalin and other Soviet leaders and is a crime of the Stalin regime.
        What's wrong? Or do you not believe in the "exposure" by our government of the "crimes of the communist regime"? lol
        If the Russian authorities opened the Pandora’s box for reviewing the results of the Nuremberg trial by “recognizing the Katyn executions,” which explicitly states and proves who is responsible for the execution in Katyn and the verdict of the tribunal is final and not subject to review, is this not including recognition of the authorities of the Russian Federation ultimately led to the resolution of the European Parliament that the key event of the Second World War is the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, so can the Nazi regime of Germany and the communist regime of the USSR be equated and considered as the reason for the outbreak of war throughout Europe?
        So what did you want from Poland? They act precisely in the spirit of this very resolution of the European Parliament. By the way, as early as 30 years, our "reformers" have been trying to integrate into the "single family" of European peoples, while at the same time fighting their Soviet past by watering it with slops.
        Do you build in? Now we collect together this anti-Soviet boomerang from these same slops.
        Do not spit in the well, it’s useful to drink water. This Russian proverb must be remembered by all those who are trying to rewrite history, especially their own country.
  • GKS 2111 7 January 2020 09: 02 New
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    Poland intends to ban Russia
    Ban Poland.
    "An obscure country that wants to grab something for free. That the West is half-eaten, Poland picks up. There are no countries in the world that adore Poland. In fact, the essence of the meanness of the Polish nation lies not only in gene rottenness, but also in the historical political situation." W. Churchill.
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      Quote: GKS 2111
      "An obscure country that wants to grab something for free. That the West is half-eaten, Poland picks up. There are no countries in the world that adore Poland. In fact, the essence of the meanness of the Polish nation lies not only in gene rottenness, but also in the historical political situation." W. Churchill.

      If this is a real quote from Churchill, then he is HEAD!
      1. novel66 7 January 2020 10: 37 New
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        but you can’t put a finger in his mouth
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          Quote: novel xnumx
          but you can’t put a finger in his mouth

          Well, maybe just like Dunce skeleton in the film. laughing
          1. novel66 7 January 2020 10: 39 New
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            well now yes ...
        2. Terenin 7 January 2020 11: 01 New
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          Quote: novel xnumx
          but you can’t put a finger in his mouth

          You can, if you knock out your teeth ... angry
          Roma, welcome hi
          1. novel66 7 January 2020 11: 06 New
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            Gene, hi, this quote was, if anything
            “Well, what can I say ... Snowden is the head! Listen, Valiadis,” he addressed the third old man in panama. “What can you say about Snowden?”

            “I will tell you frankly,” answered the panama, “do not put a finger in Snowden's mouth.” I personally would not put my finger. "
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        Are the arrogant Saxons guys?
  • Valery Valery 7 January 2020 09: 11 New
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    Poland intends to ban Russia "to interpret history in its own way"

    And this is only the first step .... Now we need to ban the summer, rain and breeding of birds ...
    1. Victor_B 7 January 2020 09: 14 New
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      And this is only the first step .... Now we need to ban the summer, rain and breeding of birds ...

      And certainly oblige Russia to buy their rotten democratic apples!
    2. common man 7 January 2020 10: 24 New
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      And this is only the first step .... Now we need to ban the summer, rain and breeding of birds ...

      The next step is to repeal Newton's laws. "Polish apples cannot fall to the ground and rot. These are the machinations of Russians."
  • Michał Rakowski 7 January 2020 09: 11 New
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    It's a lie. This is a bill on the adoption by various parties of a single position regarding the hypocrisy of history on the part of Russia. No one in Russia prohibits preaching their interpretation; this would be ridiculous and impossible.
    1. Comrade Michael 7 January 2020 12: 01 New
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      And we also have a common position. You are an enemy country and a provocateur. This must be taken into account. You are weak, but come with hatred against us for your weakness and weakness. There are also very brave Poles, but in general are enemies and weaklings. So why do we need your opinion? Your moves forward must be calculated based on the freedom that your new owner gives you, but no more.
      1. Michał Rakowski 7 January 2020 14: 03 New
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        Rosja



        Poland:
        1. Comrade Michael 7 January 2020 18: 10 New
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          Cheap propaganda. We live normally and the average Russian is 30 points smarter and bolder than a Pole. Your page will not play any role except provocative in world politics.
          1. Michał Rakowski 7 January 2020 18: 30 New
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            I don’t know if cheap propaganda films were made by Russians. Are you Russian, are you smart? Please do not joke. You work in the villas and yachts of your oligarchs, in Poland we would throw them out of the country if they robbed us. if you were wise, you would not have poverty and crisis. Come to Poland, you will see how wise people live ...
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              According to expert polonist Stanislav Stremidlovsky, the much-loud and anti-Russian statement of Kidava-Blonskaya is largely pre-election character. The thing is that this politician claims to participate in the presidential election in Poland, which will be held in May this year.

              President of the Russian Association for Baltic Studies (RAPI) Nikolai Mezhevich believes that Poland recently "decided to cheat on everyone: not only Germans and Lithuanians, but also Russians."
              Mezhevich also noted that the Poles at the ideological level cannot cope not only with the Russian approach to assessing historical events, but also with the German one. “Until recently, alternative points of view were neatly present in Polish scientific discussions. Today it’s not. They cannot admit that the Polish government made a number of mistakes in 1939. Russians can make mistakes, Germans can, and Poles cannot make mistakes. Hence the desire to ban everything at the legislative level ”- the political scientist explained.

              According to him, for the modern Pole, the denial of a certain set of values ​​is a thought crime.

              “To say that Moscow had its own reasons in 1939 is the same as deleting oneself from society, fleeing from work, from the church, from local self-government. This is worse than stealing money and not coming to Sunday Mass, ”the source added.

              “But now they want to make a thought crime criminally punishable, which testifies to the loss of democratic institutions in Poland. And given the modern means of communication and monitoring, we will soon see censorship of this magnitude, against which censorship of socialist Poland will seem like a kindergarten. This is what awaits ordinary citizens and Polish opposition politicians if this bill is adopted, ”concluded Mezhevich.

              No need to get Russia into their internal squabbles.
  • NEXUS 7 January 2020 21: 08 New
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    Something, somehow it became even scary!
    What if they show us a "goat"?
    Or (just horror, horror !!!) - "gored"!

    These nonsense does not even take into account the fact that whatever they accept there, this will not change the story and the participation of the Poles in WWII, as it was meager (at the beginning of the war), will remain so.
  • svp67 7 January 2020 08: 48 New
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    The Polish authorities intend to ban Russia from "interpreting history from its point of view" and "from overturning the history of World War II."
    Yeah ... you can’t deny self-conceit. Like in that joke; “Pan, do you suffer from mania and phobias? No, I enjoy them” It’s time for our Duma to urgently adopt the law “On banning Poland, which is to ban Russia” in 24 hours
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      Better law to ban Polsha!
  • Slavutich 7 January 2020 08: 49 New
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    These are the "impermissions" - and brought Poland to collapse, is history repeating itself?
    1. cniza 7 January 2020 09: 23 New
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      Yeah, let's go dancing on the rake. lol
  • Mavrikiy 7 January 2020 08: 50 New
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    Poland intends to ban Russia "to interpret history in its own way"

    Diet, law, appeal to the EU and ..... sanctions, a ban on the use of improper gas in the EU? Absurd. request
    1. Vladimir_6 7 January 2020 09: 00 New
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      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Poland intends to ban Russia "to interpret history in its own way"

      Diet, law, appeal to the EU and ..... sanctions, a ban on the use of improper gas in the EU? Absurd. request

      Most likely they will block the export of their apples to Russia. And they will forbid Yakub Koreyba to pamper us with his stupidity. laughing
  • K-50 7 January 2020 08: 54 New
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    Poland intends to ban Russia "to interpret history in its own way"

    That is to say the Truth !!! fellow lol
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      1. cniza 7 January 2020 09: 22 New
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        And somewhere, where is it, or are you embarrassed to call a training manual?
        1. Alexander Alekseev_2 7 January 2020 09: 25 New
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          Look at the Novaya Gazeta website, unfortunately I did not remember the name of the article.
          1. Xenofont 7 January 2020 11: 05 New
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            It's all the same, what to look in the nearest garbage bin! Link to archival documents, pliiiiz!
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              1. Xenofont 7 January 2020 12: 12 New
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                Once again, for the dull: a link to a document! And to "YOU, please ...
                1. Alexander Alekseev_2 7 January 2020 13: 35 New
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                  I do not know much about the smartphone, but if it does not bother you, then read this document please there.
              2. Comrade Michael 7 January 2020 13: 04 New
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                You are on the side of the enemies. Why do we need your arguments?
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      2. Comrade Michael 7 January 2020 12: 03 New
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        Are you for the Poles? I got it?
    2. apro 7 January 2020 09: 07 New
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      Quote: K-50
      That is to say the Truth !!!

      And which one do not tell me?
      1. K-50 7 January 2020 09: 40 New
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        Quote: apro
        And which one do not tell me?

        Of course HISTORICAL.
        Justified and supported by the then documents, periodicals of the media. hi
        1. apro 7 January 2020 10: 05 New
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          then documents

          And do you know that the Bolsheviks ruled then? And did they pursue a pro-Soviet policy? AND THE GOALS WERE SOVIET. And today the capitalist anti-Soviet state has its own goals. And my own view of history ... I don’t know how to put it together ... ..
          1. K-50 7 January 2020 11: 16 New
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            Do you know that the Bolsheviks ruled then?

            Who cares who was at the helm of the country? fellow
            Homeland, it is one, regardless of the political system.
            The Poles accuse us of fomenting war, which contradicts ALL historical documents.
            They want to prohibit "voicing" the historical TRUTH !!!
            So what difference does anyone in the USSR / Russia rule? belay fool
            1. apro 7 January 2020 11: 31 New
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              what difference does anyone in the USSR / Russia rule?

              Enormous ... today Russia is not the USSR. Then the Soviets had the goal of securing the country. Liberating their people. Today Russia has the goal of loot under the threat of oil and gas transit. And there’s nothing to hurt here and they’re raising a tantrum. Different nitres ... from the USSR with Poland for some reason there were no questions. But when the Russians left everything and got out of eastern Europe, they began to arise? why so? and what difference does anyone in power have? maybe there is a difference ...
              1. K-50 7 January 2020 12: 31 New
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                Quote: apro
                Quote: K-50
                what difference does anyone in the USSR / Russia rule?

                Enormous ... today Russia is not the USSR. Then the Soviets had the goal of securing the country. Liberating their people. Today Russia has the goal of loot under the threat of oil and gas transit. And there’s nothing to hurt here and they’re raising a tantrum. Different nitres ... from the USSR with Poland for some reason there were no questions. But when the Russians left everything and got out of eastern Europe, they began to arise? why so? and what difference does anyone in power have? maybe there is a difference ...

                Again!!!
                The Poles want to change the HISTORICAL TRUTH !!!! To prove themselves "white and fluffy", although from their very "liberation" from the Russian Empire they conducted an anti-Russian policy, which continues now.
                They were ashamed of their brown past (the color of fascism) and they want to whitewash, hide their aggressive nature ("bite off" the Vilnius Territory from Lithuania, seize the Teshinsky region from Czechoslovakia, and before that seize part of Western Ukraine and Western Belarus), and blame for unleashing WWII shift to the "shoulders" of Russia !!!. The President did not allow them, pointing to historical documents and archival materials !!!
                The argument is over. Bye. hi
  • maidan.izrailovich 7 January 2020 08: 57 New
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    Panov fermented apples ate? lol
    Or from their Anglo-Saxon owners infected with this disease? crying
    Absolutely fear lost. The nuclear power is going to ban something there.
    1. cniza 7 January 2020 09: 21 New
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      They have already forbidden themselves to think.
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  • user1212 7 January 2020 09: 00 New
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    That's interesting, but will they also ban writing about the participation of Poles in the Holocaust? We get two mutually exclusive prohibitions. Prohibition of denial and prohibition of mention ...
    1. Pike 7 January 2020 12: 57 New
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      Hello arrived)
      For a long time: "MAR 1, 2018:00
      Polish Holocaust and UPA Crime Denial Act enters into force
      The law criminalizes the public dissemination of ideas about the guilt of the Polish people or the state or their complicity in crimes committed by the Third Reich "https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/4996976
  • Aliken 7 January 2020 09: 00 New
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    Nazi minions were noticed. It is necessary to more often publish historical documents inside out turning the vile essence of the Poles, to remind them of cases of betrayal of his "army". With appropriate comments such as "pigs," let them go to shit, and not pay attention to their convulsive jerking.
    1. Alexander Alekseev_2 7 January 2020 10: 36 New
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      So they fought with the Germans, but the Red Army hit them in the back, of course for their own purposes. But in the Red Army there were also Polish units ... And the winners write history, as you know. The interrogation of Emelyan Pugachev, Kolchak and others is still not open to us, because a completely different story may be floating and not quite pleasant ...
      1. user1212 7 January 2020 10: 57 New
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        Quote: Alexander Alekseev_2
        So they fought with the Germans

        On September 17, the government had already taken off and the entire Polish army suddenly turned into a group of partisan detachments in the territory uncontrolled by official authorities
        Quote: Alexander Alekseev_2
        and the Red Army hit them in the back

        Give a story of at least one battle of the Red Army with the Polish army in 1939. Where and when did it take place, the number of parties, the number of dead? And most importantly, explain how the Polish army ended up east of the Curzon line, on the territory of western Ukraine and Belarus?
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          1. user1212 7 January 2020 11: 45 New
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            So what "backstab" do you mean? Were Poland friends? Allies? No, Poland was an enemy state that seized, using the civil war, part of our territories. It was these territories that were returned
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              1. user1212 7 January 2020 14: 24 New
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                Again. Where did you see a “stab in the back"? To take YOUR land from a hostile neighbor is a stab in the back?
                Quote: Alexander Alekseev_2
                Fights for Grodno, more partisan battles with the operational "Polesie", which fought for Brest, Slonim with the Germans, minor skirmishes with the border gendarmerie.

                Was the army fighting? And to whom did this army submit if the entire top leadership escaped on September 17th? Who is the supreme commander? Who declared war on the USSR? As of September 17, there was no longer either an army or a Polish state
  • Prisoner 7 January 2020 09: 07 New
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    Prohibition first grow trifle pot-bellied.
  • parusnik 7 January 2020 09: 13 New
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    ... It’s a pity that our Duma doesn’t deal with such bills ... If it was the Lenin’s mausoleum, they didn’t cover the plywood on May 9 ... Some strange thing happens when people remember the parade on November 7, 1941, they don’t close the plywood with the mausoleum , observe historical reality, and on May 9 a different historical reality .... I guess Poland and others will reach out, and Russia will express concern ... And then, Russia will be put on a par with Nazi Germany ... and will become an aggressor ... revision of WWII results ... In short, we played out in our country with a revision of history .. So we will remain without history ...
  • cniza 7 January 2020 09: 15 New
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    Polish authorities intend to ban Russia


    You’ll be amusing, it’s as if the course of your story will change ...
  • tihonmarine 7 January 2020 09: 16 New
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    The Polish authorities intend to ban Russia from "interpreting history from its point of view" and "from overturning the history of World War II."
    I have written more than once and received a huge number of minuses, but I am writing now and will write more. How many times Russia and the USSR "dragged chestnuts from the fire", how many times stepped on a rake. It was not necessary in 1945 to free this "civilized Europe", a kind word from which you will not wait, only one stink. Maybe someone said thanks? Here is another stink from Poland, which was saved from Hitler, and for which about a million of our soldiers died, and how much for the liberation of Europe. And I answered "It was necessary to destroy fascism." So what is more important the life of our people, or the destruction of fascism?
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      I have written more than once and received a huge number of minuses, but I am writing now and will write more ....
      ... It was not necessary in 1945 to free this "civilized Europe" ....

      Yes, that's why they minus you because the main goal was not the liberation of "civilized Europe", and finish off the fascist beast. Do not let him lick his wounds and go to us again.
      I hope you rethink this information.
      1. tihonmarine 7 January 2020 10: 08 New
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        Yes, that's why they minus you because the main goal was not the liberation of "civilized Europe", but to finish off the fascist beast.

        I am not surprised at anything that they minus. Here you are “Finish the fascist beast”, others “Free the little brothers”, the third “Free the world from ISIS." This may all be good, but it is all Russian human lives, Russian blood. I personally do not want our Russian children to die for someone’s freedom !!!!
        1. Comrade Michael 7 January 2020 13: 06 New
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          You will not die for anyone, calm down ... You will die from a terrible sore on the couch. This is much more honorable and more fun ...)))
        2. maidan.izrailovich 7 January 2020 16: 05 New
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          Here you are “Finish the fascist beast”, others “Free the little brothers”, the third “Free the world from ISIS." .... it's all Russian human lives, Russian blood .....

          You dumped everything in a heap. Honey, shit and bees.
          That generation could not just end the war before reaching Berlin. And do not destroy fascism.
          Namesake, apparently it does not reach you?
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            Namesake, apparently it does not reach you?

            It does not reach the point that our people are dying for someone, and will never reach. Old I think differently.
    2. Vladimir_6 7 January 2020 09: 59 New
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      It was not necessary in 1945 to release this "civilized Europe",

      We are not liberating Europe. We walked to the Reichstag. soldier
      1. Alex Justice 7 January 2020 10: 52 New
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        We are not liberating Europe. We walked to the Reichstag.

        And along the way, the communist regimes imposed.
        1. Vladimir_6 7 January 2020 11: 49 New
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          And along the way, the communist regimes imposed.

          Not communist "regimes", but a socialist system.
          In addition, whenever possible, they tried not to destroy the liberated cities. For example, Krakow saved the grateful Poles with the blood of our soldiers.
        2. Comrade Michael 7 January 2020 13: 07 New
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          And they did it right. Why? Yes, because they could afford it ...)))
          1. tihonmarine 7 January 2020 13: 13 New
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            And they did it right. Why? Yes, because they could afford it ..

            And for what ? What came of this, we see how the monuments to our soldiers are demolished, who fell, I liberate at least this Poland. So I ask. "What did our soldiers die for this?" Why did my grandfather's brother od Krakow die?
        3. maidan.izrailovich 7 January 2020 16: 07 New
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          And along the way, the communist regimes imposed.

          Take off the pink glasses. In this world, everyone, as far as possible and capable, is planting something.
        4. tihonmarine 7 January 2020 16: 25 New
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          And along the way, the communist regimes imposed.

          What do you want us to impose anti-communist regimes?
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    HAM 7 January 2020 09: 19 New
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    Recently, I suggested that the Poles would not calm down remaking history for themselves until they go crazy .... It seems that the process has begun .... Soon Minin and Pozharsky will be declared terrorists, disproportionately using force against the "peaceful" Polish occupiers ...
    1. tihonmarine 7 January 2020 10: 11 New
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      Quote: HAM
      It seems that the process has begun .... Soon Minin and Pozharsky will be declared terrorists, disproportionately using force against the "peaceful" Polish occupiers ...

      It seems that you are right here. Ivan Susanin has long been declared an enemy of Poland.
  • Kleber 7 January 2020 09: 27 New
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    More delusional law and hard to come up with. Or is it they, we are pure neighing? )))
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  • Michał Rakowski 7 January 2020 09: 29 New
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    I see that Russians are easily fooled, there is no such account, this is a lie. If true, please show this tweet.
    1. Ros 56 7 January 2020 09: 58 New
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      You, clown, were born probably thanks to the Wehrmacht? Well you Poles dolbyotyatly.
    2. Comrade Michael 7 January 2020 13: 09 New
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      No wonder we consider you stupid, arrogant and envious ....
    3. tihonmarine 7 January 2020 16: 28 New
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      Quote: Michał Rakowski
      I see that Russians are easy to fool

      I also think so, it was not necessary to free you from Hitler.
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      BAI 7 January 2020 19: 11 New
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      I see that Russians are easy to fool

      Well right - Russians are the lowest race, subhuman. Somewhere I already heard it. If not mistaken, A. Hitler. No wonder that in Poland there were proposals to erect a monument to him. Complete unanimity.
  • jonht 7 January 2020 09: 30 New
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    Poles, something they can .... And most importantly, FORBIDDEN ....
    Let for a start Bandera in 404 be banned, ducks ..... wassat
    1. Karen 7 January 2020 09: 33 New
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      Quote: jonht
      Let for a start Bandera in 404 be banned, ducks .....

      So one common enemy they have (you), why can't they find a common ground? :)
      1. jonht 7 January 2020 09: 45 New
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        I'm not talking about points, I'm talking about prohibitions ....
        Deny us the very same, two not only big differences, but huge ....
        Although let them try, since there are no brains, let them live by reflexes. hi
    2. tihonmarine 7 January 2020 16: 29 New
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      Let the Bandera party be banned in 404,

      The European Union will not.
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    1. Vasyan1971 7 January 2020 09: 57 New
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      Quote: Sankyulot
      urgently need to raise the degree of patriotism!

      Against the background of an urgently rising degree of Russophobia, why not?
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        1. Vasyan1971 7 January 2020 10: 02 New
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          Urgently lower the degree, for you begin to rave ...
  • Obi-Wan Kenobi 7 January 2020 09: 36 New
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    According to the Russian leader, the Polish diplomat in the 1930s supported Adolf Hitler and his idea of ​​sending Polish Jews to Africa "for extinction and destruction" and promised to erect a monument to Hitler in Warsaw for this.

    This is what other such "words" ???
    This is a historical fact. History cannot be changed, however much the Poles would like to.
    Psheki, they are!
    1. Sansculotte 7 January 2020 09: 45 New
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      Because the Russian national leader also stated that the Soviet Union sent troops to Poland because of its collapse, although under the Ribbentrop Molotov pact, which was signed on August 23, 1939, when Poland was still in perfect order, Western Ukraine and Western Belarus ...Poland .. And the USSR entered the troops there in accordance with the agreements, the President of the Russian Federation publicly lied, substituting Russia.
      1. Obi-Wan Kenobi 7 January 2020 09: 58 New
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        Learn history and you will be happy.
        I am not going to give you lectures on why and why JV Stalin did just that, and not otherwise!
        If you do not like the story, as a chain of events in a certain period of time, then these are your problems, not stories.
        Facts are stubborn things!
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      2. Comrade Michael 7 January 2020 13: 11 New
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        We dislike you, more than Germans and Anglo-Saxons .... Why should we raise a degree of hatred?
    2. tihonmarine 7 January 2020 16: 31 New
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      Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
      This is what other such "words" ???
      This is a historical fact.

      Let them honor the Evian Conference of 1938, then they will understand.
  • BAI
    BAI 7 January 2020 09: 45 New
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    They will ban Putin from entering the country and impose other sanctions on him. Scary, already terrible. But what if the truth hurts my eyes? In Poland, 98% of Jews were exterminated. With the active help of the local population. By the way, in Belarus, Ukraine and the Baltic states there was the same picture.
    1. tihonmarine 7 January 2020 17: 02 New
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      Quote: BAI
      With the active help of the local population. By the way, in Belarus, Ukraine and the Baltic states there was the same picture.

      I realized that all Jews were killed with the assistance of the local population. But I don’t completely agree, for in the territory of Belarus there were 3 Ukrainian and 8 Baltic (3 Lithuanian, 4 Latvian and 1 Estonian) security police battalions.
  • Vasyan1971 7 January 2020 09: 47 New
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    According to the Russian leader ...

    Only according to the words, or is there documentary evidence?
  • Jarserge 7 January 2020 09: 53 New
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    Yes, it’s clear now who is learning Ukrainian May Downs. What are the facts that we told us the archives so correctly ....
  • ML-334 7 January 2020 09: 55 New
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    I suggest publishing archival documents on the Internet, even on this site it will add spice to
  • Ros 56 7 January 2020 09: 55 New
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    Guess the Poles, Russia may generally forbid Poles. What are our legislators watching?
  • askort154 7 January 2020 10: 06 New
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    Blame Stalin and Putin.
    Stalin for creating a state that made the world bipolar.
    Putin because in 2007 at the Munich conference, loudly throughout the world, he allowed himself the "impudence" to declare the unacceptability of the "unipolar world" in the 21st century.
    After that, the Anglo-Saxons began to poison all of their dogs on Putin's Russia.
    In the role of the most rabid dog in Europe, Poland was appointed. And after Putin personally expressed his point of view on the role of Poland in the Great Patriotic War, and said that by the 75th anniversary he was preparing his article on this on genuine archival materials, the Poles "got the thread out." They rushed to work ahead of schedule in the media. This tactic has long been worked out by the West. To create a powerful false background, against the background of which - the TRUTH will look, for those who do not know the story, like a fake.
    1. askort154 7 January 2020 13: 23 New