Poland intends to ban Russia "to interpret history in its own way"

Polish authorities intend to ban Russia "interpret history from their point of view "and" overshadowing the history of the Second World War ". For this, a special bill is being developed in the Polish Sejm. This was announced on Twitter by the vice speaker of the Polish Sejm Malgožata Kidava Blonska.

At the next meeting, the Polish parliament intends to consider a bill on "suppressing Russia's alleged attempt to reassign history and slander against Poland." Currently, the Seimas Committee on Foreign Policy is working on a bill to submit it for consideration. We intend to complete the work this Wednesday.

For the fight against lies about Poland and history to bear fruit, it must be waged constantly and persistently

- said Kidava Blonska.

Recall that Poland argues that the USSR, along with fascist Germany, unleashed the Second World War, and the Molotov-Ribbentropp Pact concluded between the countries serves as evidence of this. In addition, Warsaw is very dissatisfied with the recent statement by Russian President Vladimir Putin, who called the Polish ambassador to Nazi Germany, Jozef Lipsky, “a bastard and an anti-Semitic pig.” According to the Russian leader, the Polish diplomat in the 1930s supported Adolf Hitler and his idea of ​​sending Polish Jews to Africa "for extinction and destruction" and promised to erect a monument to Hitler in Warsaw for this.

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[Victor_B]

The Polish authorities intend to prohibit Russia from "interpreting history from its own point of view" and "altering the history of World War II."

Something, somehow it became even scary!
What if they show us a "goat"?
Or (just horror, horror !!!) - "butt"!

[Olgovich]

Quote: Victor_B

Something, somehow it became even scary!

The State Duma has long had time to adopt a resolution on WWII start date -1 1938 October, thewhen together with Germany and Hungary Poland ptore apart Czechoslovakia.

Enough to ignore and not notice! The truth-uterus poke these bastards!

[Michal Rakowski]

It is true that in 1938, Polish troops occupied Zaolzie, but it is also true that on September 17, Russia attacked Poland ....

[AU Ivanov.]

If in 1920 Poland stopped on the Curzon line and did not expand its territory to the east, then in 1939 there would be no talk of any Soviet attack on Poland.

[Michal Rakowski]

The Riga Treaty recognized the Polish-Russian border. On September 17, Russia violated the agreement and the treaty.

[Dur_mod]

Ukraine attacked Poland in order to regain its historical lands, we still have an unfinished conversation about Przemysl, Helm and our other lands ... which Stalin left Poland after a WWII misunderstanding.

[Flooding]

Quote: ssm

So who was least asked what to do with the results of the 2MB, it was the native king Dzhugashvilyu.

Moderators should ban mercilessly for such fetid attacks.
It was still not enough for foreign anonymous authors to slander Stalin.

[Albert1988]

Quote: ssm

So who was least asked what to do with the results of the 2MB, it was the native king Dzhugashvilyu.

This "native king" was one of TWO (!) Architects of the post-war world, and was the ruler of one of TWO (!) Superpowers in the post-war world ...
So it’s not you who will ask him, he will tell you himself, and when he wants ...

[RUSS]

Quote: Dur_mod

Ukraine attacked Poland in order to regain its historical lands,

This does not justify aggression

[lucul]

The Riga Treaty recognized the Polish-Russian border. On September 17, Russia violated the agreement and the treaty.

How many years has been signed? ))))
There is also the third section of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, according to which it disappeared from world maps for 100 years. You do not blame the violation of this section (the formation of Poland)? No ?
Then you have a very selective memory .....

[ssm]

Quote: lucul

You do not blame the violation of this section (the formation of Poland)? No ?

In fact, the last contract has legal force. And all the rest of the contract, before him, is an artistic whistle.

[lucul]

In fact, the last contract has legal force. And all the rest of the contract, before him, is an artistic whistle.

Then you got into a puddle even more)))
Because there is the most recent treaty — the Treaty between the USSR and the Polish Republic on the Soviet-Polish state border — an international treaty signed in Moscow on August 16, 1945.
Accordingly, this Riga Treaty, FOR YOURSELF is an artistic whistle))))

[kpd]

The contract expires upon changing the legal ownership of the property or object.
So the Riga contract was canceled upon. An agreement on the definition of the border between the USSR and the Reich entered into force; no Poland was already observed there.

[Michal Rakowski]

The contract may be denounced only by one of the parties. The contract was valid on September 17, Russia violated it ...

[Svarog51]

The Riga Agreement was signed by the RSFSR; in 1922, the USSR was formed. Where is the agreement between Poland and the USSR? He appeared on August 16, 1945. So what are you talking about? And the land is now attached to the sovereign Ukraine and Belarus. What does Russia have to do with it? Or do you want war again? We do not want. The Reich has firmly won you, the USSR has set you free. You still did not want to remain sovereign. The Americans crushed you softly and almost not noticeably for you. What else do you want? Live and rejoice.

[ssm]

Quote: Svarog51

The Riga Agreement was signed by the RSFSR; in 1922, the USSR was formed. Where is the agreement between Poland and the USSR?

But nothing that the RSFSR entered the USSR and the USSR, thereby accepting obligations of the RSFSR?

Quote: Svarog51

He appeared on August 16, 1945.

He appeared much later, after 1991, and with the Russian Federation.
And in 1945 there was an agreement between the USSR and Poland. But Poland, this is not Poland.

Quote: Svarog51

The USSR freed you.

Whom did the USSR liberate? The USSR did not liberate Poland. He intercepted it (from the Germans), and then eliminated it, creating in its place his puppet of the NDP. Which had nothing to do with Poland.

[Svarog51]

But nothing that the RSFSR entered the USSR and the USSR, thereby accepting obligations of the RSFSR?

No. The USSR is a larger state education. At the congress of the Supreme Council they could also denounce the treaty. There was no time for you, it was necessary to raise the country out of ruin.

He appeared much later, after 1991, and with the Russian Federation.
And in 1945 there was an agreement between the USSR and Poland. But Poland, this is not Poland.

If Poland is not Poland, then Russia is not the whole of the USSR. What's wrong? If you have an agreement with the Russian Federation, then what else do you need? Write yourself that the last contract has legal force, but it cancels all previous ones. Want to tear it up? So this is a direct call to war. I can’t even answer you, or they will even consider me the arsonist of a new war. And I’m a peaceful person, almost.

Whom did the USSR liberate? The USSR did not liberate Poland. He intercepted it (from the Germans), and then eliminated it, creating in its place his puppet of the NDP. Which had nothing to do with Poland.

However, the NDP was not a protectorate with external control. Yours ruled there. And with the collapse of the USSR, the troops were withdrawn. Now turn to the new owners, why are you throwing everything to Russia? Scary to argue with the Americans?

[Albert1988]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

The contract may be denounced only by one of the parties. The contract was valid on September 17, Russia violated it ...

But how could Russia violate the agreement with Poland in 1939, if the USSR existed then? And the second question - how, let Russia, could violate the agreement with the state, which by September 17th ceased to exist (the government cowardly fled to the territory of Romania)?

[Olgovich]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

The Riga Treaty recognized the Polish-Russian border. On September 17, Russia violated the agreement and the treaty.

Poland VIOLATED the partition of Poland from October 24, 1795
With what fright recognize .... the so-called. Riga agreement? ?

[ssm]

Quote: Olgovich

Poland VIOLATED the partition of Poland from October 24, 1795
With what fright recognize .... the so-called. Riga agreement? ?

In fact, the last contract has legal force. And all the rest of the contract, before him, is an artistic whistle.

[Olgovich]

Quote: ssm

In fact, it has legal force last contract. And all the rest of the contract, before him, is an artistic whistle.

so I’m talking about: BEFORE the Riga Agreement, the Section Agreement of 1795 was in force and this is no longer a whistle. and he was grossly violated!
Bastards .....

[ssm]

Quote: Olgovich

Before the Riga Agreement, the Section Agreement of 1795 was in force and this is no longer a whistle. and he was grossly violated!

Actually, the contract was violated by the RSFSR and the Red Army, going to the Polish campaign Tukhachevsky. Since the contract was violated by its (campaign) results, a new contract was drawn up. Riga.

[Albert1988]

Quote: ssm

Actually, the contract was violated by the RSFSR and the Red Army, going to the Polish campaign Tukhachevsky.

Og, but is it anything that the Polish army had previously committed aggression against the independent Belarus and Ukraine to the aid of which the Red Army came? Selectively remember the story, dear Poles ...

[kkoltovnik]

The last agreement was the agreement between the USSR and the Polish Republic on the Soviet-Polish state border, signed in Moscow on August 16, 1945.

[ssm]

Quote: kkoltovnik

The last treaty was a treaty between the USSR and the Polish Republic

Not the Polish Republic, but the Polish People’s Republic. And these are different things.
In this treaty, the Polish People's Republic handed over to the USSR Zap. Belarus, Zap. Ukraine and the Vilensk region of the USSR, and in return received the so-called. "returned lands".
These are the lands that the USSR received from Germany as raparations, and then exchanged them for the West. Belarus, Zap. Ukraine and the Vilnius region of Poland.
This treaty entered into force on February 06.02.1946, 1939. Thus, these lands were transferred to the USSR not in 1946, but in XNUMX. And not through the "Second Polish campaign", but through the exchange of territories.
True, not with Poland, but with the NDP. And this is a very delicate place.

[Crimean]

These are the lands that the USSR received from Germany as raparations, and then exchanged them for the West. Belarus, Zap. Ukraine and the Vilnius region of Poland
And where are the applications for the return of Germany to its lands? After all, are they illegal?

[Terenin]

Quote: ssm

And all the rest of the contract, before him, is an artistic whistle.

This is Poland, in history, with the artistic whistle and dancing "Krakowiak", flew and offered its services from one empire to another.

Quote: ssm

In fact, the last contract has legal force.

Do not worry, as a result, they will give you the last word.

[hhhhhhh]

The USSR did the right thing. Who does not think so, and May 9, 1945 is not Victory Day.

[mark1]

In connection with the loss of statehood by Poland, Russia did not violate anything.

[ssm]

Quote: mark1

In connection with the loss of statehood by Poland, Russia did not violate anything.

1. Russia in 1039 was not. It was the USSR.
2. What other loss of statehood? Poland in 1939 did not lose any statehood. There was only a temporary occupation of its territory.

[Albert1988]

Quote: ssm

What other loss of statehood? Poland in 1939 did not lose any statehood. There was only a temporary occupation of its territory.

On September 17, 1939, the Polish government fled to Romania ...
That’s the loss of statehood ...
About the "temporary" occupation - then NOBODY considered it temporary, especially England and France ...

[Michal Rakowski]

Poland has existed for 1000 years and will exist. Can you Russians understand that? Is it too hard for you?

[mark1]

Quote: ssm

There was only a temporary occupation of its territory.

And who knew in 1939, everyone decided that forever.

Quote: Michał Rakowski

Poland has existed for 1000 years and will exist. Can you Russians understand that? Is it too hard for you?

It’s not hard at all. Yes, at least the Black and Baltic Seas dug together with the Ukrainians, but statehood is somewhat different, it spread until the age of 39 (on dubious grounds) in territories that were not ethnic for the Poles, so with the loss of statehood the right to own this territory was lost.

[Michal Rakowski]

Russia also spread. Will China occupy the Far East and will there be aggression?

[Svarog51]

Mihai Sorry if the name is not written correctly. China does not like the Russian Far East - the weather is cold there. Colleagues with the Far East have long explained. Why, again, crush the water in the mortar?

[Albert1988]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

Russia also spread. Will China occupy the Far East and will there be aggression?

China, unlike Poland itself, has a very smart and pragmatic leadership, which benefits in relations with Russia in other ways ...

[A good one]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

Poland has existed for 1000 years and will exist. Can you Russians understand that? Is it too hard for you?

Yes exist , you yourself can understand this, please, so as not to get under your feet.
My joy, if it were not for the moderators, compassionate to such guests and in order not to defame the site, I would have pressed one place for you, until the signal "I agree and obey and my spirit will not be here."

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

Poland has existed for 1000 years and will exist.

Looking at the extravagant deeds of your patron and how your country is trying to fit his country into p ... helpers - you begin to doubt whether Poland wants to continue to exist .. Would you be independent in actions, it would be easier for everyone

[Svarog51]

Tramp, my respect Poland lived under a protectorate, and here sovereignty. What to do with it is unclear. How to live further - too. The hosts were quickly found. Now everything is clear - under whose tune to sing. Iraq in this regard looks much more profitable. Although under amer, but does not give up. Respect for independence is already a cause.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

Poland has existed for 1000 years and will exist. Can you Russians understand that? Is it too hard for you?

Let it exist, God be with you! The main thing is that Poland should NOT under any circumstances try to build "Rzhech Pospolita" "from Mozha to Mozha" again, otherwise it risks ceasing to exist forever!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

The Riga Treaty recognized the Polish-Russian border. On September 17, Russia violated the agreement and the treaty.

A bit wrong. The Riga Treaty established the Polish-Russian border following the results of the war between Russia and Poland. And no one in the world recognized this boundary. since the border along the Curzon line was recognized.

[Michal Rakowski]

Then why did Russia sign the treaty in Riga without recognizing the border with Poland? Does Russia not recognize the treaties it contains?

[Unknown]

Poland also signed a treaty with the Czech Republic. Wikipedia link ............. After the collapse of Austria-Hungary on November 5, 1918, the Polish government of the Tieszyn Principality - the National Council of the Tieszyn Principality (Polish: Rada Narodowa Księstwa Cieszyńskiego) - signed an agreement with the Czech local government (Czech Národní výbor pro Slezsko) on the division of Tesinska Silesia. On January 23, 1919, Czechoslovakia, however, sent troops into the Cieszyn region and occupied it; On February 3, a ceasefire took place.

It was planned to hold a plebiscite in the disputed territory in 1920, but the situation was so tense that this idea was abandoned. On July 10, Poland and Czechoslovakia applied for international arbitration, and by the decision of the conference in the Spa on July 28, the region was divided: Czechoslovakia received 58,1% of the territory where 67,9% of the population lived. Since the opinion of the local population was not taken into account, this result did not satisfy either side. Since the border was drawn along the Olsha River, the eastern part of Tieszyn Silesia with the predominantly Polish population became known in Poland as “Zaolzie” .......... which did not prevent Poland from bringing troops into the Tieszyn region in 1938. what does it mean? what claims to the USSR ?.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

Then why did Russia sign the treaty in Riga without recognizing the border with Poland? Does Russia not recognize the treaties it contains?

I explain to the illiterate.
= The Council of People's Commissars of the RSFSR by its decree canceled the international treaties of the Russian Empire with Prussia and Austria. Among others, agreements regarding the sections of the Commonwealth were canceled. Thus, the Soviet government refused any claims to the territory of Poland and recognized its independence. However, the Polish authorities tried to restore the once existing empire and captured the western regions of Ukraine and Belarus. =
This is how the Poles "thanked" the Russians for the freedom and recognition of the independent Polish state.
Taking advantage of the economic and military weakness of the RSFSR, Poland, seizing the lands of Ukraine and Belarus, forced the RSFSR to sign the Riga Treaty.
The USSR, formed in 1922, could have denounced this treaty and returned these lands by force, but did not want to shed blood on it for either Poles or Soviet citizens. And when in 1939 the Polish government fled in a hurry and Poland as a state ceased to exist, the USSR had no one to present a note about the denunciation of the Riga Treaty and, in order not to give its land to the aggressor, Germany, sent troops to the western lands of Ukraine and Belarus.
By the way, the denunciation of treaties is a normal international practice.
And again, by the way, the Polish government, before fleeing, gave the order not to resist the Soviet troops.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

On September 17, Russia violated the agreement and the treaty.

But Russia did not violate anything. It's just that the state with which she concluded, under duress, this agreement ceased to exist. The Germans simply smeared you as mashed potatoes, along with your Polish ambition on asphalt. And all, if the USSR wanted the NDP and would not have taken place after World War II, I.V. would have done Stalin Warsaw Autonomy, at best. And no matter what you blather, but you were allowed to create, once again, a state. Yes, even to refresh historical memory, when Poland emerged as a state after the collapse of the Russian Empire, it also barked at its neighbors, in the hope that Great Britain and France would be stuck for it. Well, how and how did your allies help you in 1939?

[ssm]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

If in 1920 Poland stopped on the Curzon line and did not expand its territory to the east,

This expansion was the result of an unsuccessful attack by the RSFSR on Poland (Polish campaign). Those. these lands were received by Poland as reparations. Which was fixed by the Riga Peace Treaty.

[mark1]

Quote: ssm

received by Poland as a supply. Which was fixed by the Riga Peace Treaty

There is no state, no contracts.

[Oleg (Kharkov)]

Quote: ssm

This expansion was the result of the unsuccessful attack of the RSFSR on Poland

don't understand why the cons? what did you write wrong?

[A good one]

Quote: Oleg (Kharkov)

Quote: ssm

This expansion was the result of the unsuccessful attack of the RSFSR on Poland

don't understand why the cons? what did you write wrong?

Yes, because you are SBU-Schnick, Olezhka. Can’t you calm down? It seems they scolded you, again I watch a patch on the wind you hold.

[Oleg (Kharkov)]

Quote: Not bad

Can’t you calm down?

leave me alone, hoaxer!

[Albert1988]

Quote: Oleg (Kharkov)

don't understand why the cons? what did you write wrong?

Because HISTORY should be taught! HOW could the RSFSR attack Poland if Belarus and Ukraine were between them? Maybe this is why it attacked that Poland first sponsored the uprising of the "Polish corps" in the territories of Belarus, and then the Polish Nazi and future friend of Adolf Aloizych, Pan Pilsudski, included these rebels in the Polish army and staged an invasion of the territory of independent states where there was no Polish population ?

[Albert1988]

Quote: ssm

This expansion was the result of the unsuccessful attack of the RSFSR on Poland

Ackte! What a RSFSR attacked Poland! You are our literate! Poland, remember this (!) And remember well - the FIRST invaded the territory of the socialist republics of Belarus and Ukraine, using for this the pretext of the uprising of the "Polish corps" there (and then you say something about Russia's actions in Donbass, oh!), Only after that the "Polish campaign" of Tukhachevsky began - as the help of the RSFSR to the allied Belarus and Ukraine!

[uu1]

Quote: Albert1988

What RSFSR attacked Poland!

Do not know what the RSFSR is?

Quote: Albert1988

Poland, remember this (!) And remember well - the FIRST invaded the territory of the socialist republics of Belarus and Ukraine

Don’t make it up, there were no "socialist republics" then.
In addition, what relation did the RSFSR have to Ukraine and Belarus? Absolutely no.

Quote: Albert1988

only after that did Tukhachevsky's "Polish campaign" begin - as the help of the RSFSR to the allied Belarus and Ukraine!

What else, allied? Belarus and Ukraine became allied with respect to the RSFSR in 1924. And the RSFSR attacked Poland in 1919.

[Albert1988]

Quote: uu1

Do not know what the RSFSR is?

I know perfectly well, maybe even better than you, dear)))

Quote: uu1

Don’t make it up, there were no "socialist republics" then.
In addition, what relation did the RSFSR have to Ukraine and Belarus? Absolutely no.

Og was not, how can))))) Poland in that case, then, too, there was none)))))
And what did they relate to? And the simple thing is allied relations))))) Like Poland with England and France in the 39th

Quote: uu1

What else, allied? Belarus and Ukraine became allied with respect to the RSFSR in 1924. And the RSFSR attacked Poland in 1919.

You dear. illiterate - the USSR arose in 1922 (!)!
The Ukrainian SSR arose on March 10, 1919, the SSRB (socialist Belarus) arose on January 1, 1919!

And Poland began the "heroic" construction of its "dwarf empire" with an attack in December 1919 on INDEPENDENT Lithuania! And the capture of Vilna, from where it was driven out by the Red Army ... Subsequently, the Polish gentry refused to define the border between Poland and Belarus, aiming to capture the Belarusian, and at the same time, Ukrainian territories. Naturally, the newly emerged socialist republics of Belarus and Ukraine entered into an alliance with the RSFSR ...

Learn the whole story, dear, you will understand that Poland Pilsudski is an imperialist criminal, and your beloved pan Pilsudski is a great friend of Adolf Hitler than the same Mussolini!

[uu1]

Quote: Albert1988

And the simple thing is allied relations))))) Like Poland with England and France in the 39th

Do not equal the RSFSR with Britain. Britain at that moment was the OWNER of planet Earth. What Britain could have was impossible to the RSFSR.
Legally, in 1919 the RSFSR did not exist. Like Ukraine and Belarus. Therefore, in fact, the Red Army was just a big gang. Invading Poland and defeated by the Poles.

Quote: Albert1988

You dear. illiterate - the USSR arose in 1922 (!)!

If I clicked on the wrong number, it really doesn’t mean anything.

Quote: Albert1988

The Ukrainian SSR arose on March 10, 1919, the SSRB (socialist Belarus) arose on January 1, 1919!

Perfectly. As soon as they arose, and exclusively on Bolshevik pieces of paper. But in fact they did not exist.

Quote: Albert1988

And Poland began the "heroic" construction of its "dwarf empire" with an attack in December 1919 on INDEPENDENT Lithuania! And the capture of Vilna, from where the Red Army drove it out ...

And what relation did the Red Army have in Lithuania and Vilna? Is she a plug in every hole?

Quote: Albert1988

Subsequently Polish Panov

You are somewhat confused by the respectful attitude of the Poles towards each other "pan". Are you accustomed to redneck treatment?

Quote: Albert1988

refused to determine the border between Poland and Belarus, with the goal of seizing the Belarusian, and at the same time, Ukrainian territories.

All this is fine, the RSFSR has to do with it? Where is Ukraine with Belarus, and where is Russia?

Quote: Albert1988

Naturally, the recently emerged socialist republics of Belarus and Ukraine entered into an alliance with the RSFSR ...

In the Criminal Code, such "agreements" are called "criminal conspiracy".
Yes, yes, agreements between gangs (and the RSFSR and its other "allies" in 1919 were precisely armed gangs) are called so in the Criminal Code.

Quote: Albert1988

that Poland Pilsudski is an imperialist criminal, and your beloved pan Pilsudski is a great friend of Adolf Hitler than the same Mussolini!

You menbsche pay attention to Pilsudski, Hitler and Mussolini. And more appreciate the criminal acts of Ulyanov, Dzhugashvili and other "leaders".

[Albert1988]

Quote: uu1

Do not equal the RSFSR with Britain. Britain at that moment was the OWNER of planet Earth. What Britain could have was impossible to the RSFSR.

And after that you say that someone lives in a virtual world?
In this case, I’ll answer you simply - the USSR in 39 was a "co-owner" of Eastern Europe, and what was possible for the USSR was impossible for Poland))))
Further discussion, in principle, can be closed.

I will say one last thing - even if we assume, as in mathematics, that the USSR committed armed aggression against Poland in violation of "international law", then within the framework of the same model it does not matter, because Poland was a militaristic criminal, guilty of committing a number of aggressive acts against neighbors and the seizure of a number of territories that did not belong to it. That is, its liquidation did not have anything reprehensible in itself, especially in light of the fact that Poland was a staunch ally of Hitler, who was the first to sign an allied agreement with him))))
And Poland has nothing to object to, and that is why it freaks out ...

Py.Sy .:

Quote: uu1

You menbsche pay attention to Pilsudski, Hitler and Mussolini. And more appreciate the criminal acts of Ulyanov, Dzhugashvili and other "leaders".

Only after (and at the same time) Poland will pay attention to the crimes of Pilsudski and its other "leaders")))))

[uu1]

Quote: Albert1988

In this case, I will answer you simply - the USSR in the 39th was a "co-owner" of Eastern Europe

Only in your pink and slobbering dreams.
On July 30.07.1941, 1939, the USSR returned all its "territorial acquisitions in XNUMX in Poland" to this very Poland (the Sikorsky-Maisky Agreement). Because that's what the Anglo-Saxons ordered him to do.

Quote: Albert1988

then in the framework of the same model this does not matter, because Poland was a militaristic criminal, guilty of committing a number of aggressive acts against neighbors

Try to kill a repeat offender. Very surprised by the reaction to this law enforcement.
However, all Soviet people have a moral curve and double standards.

Quote: Albert1988

how Poland will pay attention to the crimes of Pilsudski and its other "leaders"

Pilsudski Crimes? Which specifically? In addition to the friendship you had imagined with Hitler (was this a crime until September 01.09.1939, XNUMX?), Nothing else was noticed behind him.

[Albert1988]

Quote: uu1

Only in your pink and slobbering dreams.
On July 30.07.1941, 1939, the USSR returned all its "territorial acquisitions in XNUMX in Poland" to this very Poland (the Sikorsky-Maisky Agreement). Because that's what the Anglo-Saxons ordered him to do.

I wrote about this in the comments below, and about the fact that the orders to the "Anglo-Saxons" did not last long, not otherwise, as Voldemort stole the elder wand))))

Quote: uu1

Try to kill a repeat offender. Very surprised by the reaction to this law enforcement.
However, all Soviet people have a moral curve and double standards.

No, it’s just that a recidivist criminal, who suffered from his own, suddenly began to build himself a conscientious citizen, instead of honestly admit that I had bloodsuckers on my hands, and then draw a conclusion from this whole story and not show off))))

Quote: uu1

Pilsudski Crimes? Which specifically? In addition to the friendship you had imagined with Hitler (was this a crime until September 01.09.1939, XNUMX?), Nothing else was noticed behind him.

Friendship with Hitler is a crime in itself for a leader of a democratic country! Considering Aloizych’s undisguised anti-Semitism in the presence of the huge Jewish population of Poland))) And yes - learn the whole story - and you will learn about Hitler’s friendship with Pilsudski ...
And if on trifles - Pilsudski invaded independent Lithuania (from which he chopped off the capital!), Invaded independent Belarus and Ukraine, from which chopped off large pieces of the territory where the Poles did not live, the creation of the first with his knowledge in Poland (!) large concentration camps of death - BEFORE than in Germany (!), where 60000 Soviet prisoners of war were rotted!
This is more than enough!
Well, then the pilotschucks happily participated in the criminal section of Czechoslovakia ...
So then you are surprised that someone else divided Poland in the same way? Is the mantra "and we are for sho" also strong among the proud gentry?

In this regard, I want to wish you good luck and health in the new year! Live peacefully and learn from history, and do not try to make yourself a victim, being a "relapsed", and then everything will be fine))))
До скорого

[uu1]

Quote: Albert1988

Friendship with Hitler is a crime in itself for a leader of a democratic country!

Horror. But what about the Dzhugashviley, who was friends with him directly until June 21.06.1941, XNUMX, inclusive?
But what about the Olympics in Berlin in 1936? Criminal decision and criminal participation?

Quote: Albert1988

Pilsudski invaded independent Lithuania (in which he chopped off the capital!), Invaded independent Belarus and Ukraine, in which he chopped off large pieces of territory

What do you want from this? Are you Lithuanian-Belarusian-Ukrainian?

Quote: Albert1988

the creation with his knowledge in Poland of the first (!) large concentration camps of death - BEFORE than in Germany (!), where 60000 Soviet prisoners of war were rotted!

Where did the Soviet prisoners of war come from Poland, if the RSFSR attacked Poland in 1919, the war ended in 1920, and the USSR was formed in 1922?

Quote: Albert1988

Pilsudchiks happily participated in the criminal section of Czechoslovakia ...

Ahhhh. I understand you are Czech.
No, not Czech. A plug for each hole. Poking her nose everywhere and waiting to be squeaked.

[Albert1988]

Quote: uu1

Horror. But what about the Dzhugashviley, who was friends with him directly until June 21.06.1941, XNUMX, inclusive?
But what about the Olympics in Berlin in 1936? Criminal decision and criminal participation?

Exactly! Horror - Stalin, you know, who established relations with Nazi Germany only in 39, and then, after England and France had not signed any allied treaties, and Germany itself galloped over and began to strenuously ask for a non-aggression pact, this is Stalin. - "criminal", and Pilsudski, personally with Hitler, was on good terms and was friends with aloizych since 1934 (he was the first to befriend!) - a normal citizen, nothing like that ...

Quote: uu1

What do you want from this? Are you Lithuanian-Belarusian-Ukrainian?

I have a lot of relatives in Belarus, and my paternal grandfather comes from Ukraine, he was born, by the way in 1921, and my great-grandfather and great-grandmother lived there before the revolution ...
And then - what about you, what are you - a Pole?

Quote: uu1

Where did the Soviet prisoners of war come from Poland, if the RSFSR attacked Poland in 1919, the war ended in 1920, and the USSR was formed in 1922?

First, the RSFSR did NOT attack Poland, and the captured Red Army soldiers from the RFSR will be called Soviet in the same way, since the RSFSR is the Russian Soviet Federal Socialist Republic))))

Quote: uu1

Ahhhh. I understand you are Czech.
No, not Czech. A plug for each hole. Poking her nose everywhere and waiting to be squeaked.

So far only your restless nose, citizen Carbine, and another 100-500 insignificant nicknames under which you repeatedly appeared on the site and on some other resources) are pinched)))) The style of your pseudo-historical presentation is so recognizable that it will make you like a nasty voice recognizable even in the dark))))
Therefore, before you are once again banned, I want to wish you good health and happiness in the new year))) I will not congratulate the Orthodox on Christmas - now they don’t celebrate it with the Tomos, but celebrate Catholic (now it is officially a state holiday! about how!) and congratulate him too late))))
And as for my nationality, I speak openly - I am Russian, and like any Russian, I have a lot of blood mixed up - both Jews, Estonians, and Siberian Tatars, have gone to hell, and to dig further - so generally the Austrians and Germans crawl out))))

[Oleg (Kharkov)]

nobody argues! remember the campaign of the Red Army in the Baltic states and Belarus (1918-1919)
Historians see this war as part of a civil war!
https://topwar.ru/82483-sovetsko-polskaya-voyna-1920-goda.html - вот статья интересная на ВО была.
"But here the sense of proportion betrayed the Bolshevik leaders. The success of the counter-offensive against the Polish aggression gave rise to hope among them for proletarian uprisings in Europe and the victory of the world revolution. Leon Trotsky then directly suggested" probing the revolutionary situation in Europe with a Red Army bayonet. "
L. D. Trotsky: Lenin had a firm plan: to finish the job, that is, to enter Warsaw to help the Polish working masses overturn the Pilsudski government and seize power

[Reklastik]

But there was no attack on Poland in 1939 by the USSR. This state did not already exist. The entry of troops was, and there was an announcement of the reasons why this was done. Who would declare war, even if it started? Even Germany declared war on the USSR, albeit with deliberate delay. And in Poland there was no longer any defense against the Germans, nor a government.

[BAI]

If in 1920 Poland stopped on the Curzon line

If Napoleon Tukhachevsky in 1920 would stop on the Curzon line and not go to Warsaw ...

[Michal Rakowski]

Why can't Russia live in peace without attacking its neighbors?

[Den717]

In fact, these are the Poles from the moment of the restoration of their country that got along with all their neighbors. Poland occupied part of Lithuania, occupied Kiev for a while. You read the story, and then get into a conversation. By the way, in 1939 the Poles did not declare war on us. Why? England and France too. Wipe your snot and do not ride here on the ears. Accuses Putin of lying? Prove on documents, not on your fabrications.

[ssm]

Quote: Den717

By the way, in 1939 the Poles did not declare war on us. Why?

Because the USSR declared war on Poland. A war is not declared 2 times. USSR from 22.06.1941/08.05.1945/XNUMX to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX Germany also announced nothing.

Quote: Den717

England and France too

It just shows that the Anglo-Saxons needed Germany. And Poland became the bait on which they caught Germany.
But the USSR was not interesting to them at all. Therefore, the similar action of the USSR against Poland was passed by the Anglo-Saxons.

[Den717]

Present a document declaring war on Poland in 1939, for starters. And then all the other discussions.

[Albert1988]

Quote: ssm

Because the USSR declared war on Poland. A war is not declared 2 times. USSR from 22.06.1941/08.05.1945/XNUMX to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX Germany also announced nothing.

Firstly, in the 39th, the USSR did NOT declare war on Poland, because Poland no longer existed!

Quote: ssm

It just shows that the Anglo-Saxons needed Germany. And Poland became the bait on which they caught Germany.
But the USSR was not interesting to them at all. Therefore, the similar action of the USSR against Poland was passed by the Anglo-Saxons.

Og, the USSR was NOT interesting to them! And why did the Anglo-Saxons raise Nazi Germany, turning a blind eye to all its crimes and participated in these crimes? To set Aloizycha against the USSR))) Teach history, and you will be happy))))

Py.Sy .: You know. what is the main problem of modern Poland? The fact that its leadership persistently climbs to kiss the boots of the Anglo-Saxon elites, who brazenly threw this very Poland at the most critical moment for her! And, God forbid, such a moment for Poland will come now, throw it in the same way, and no one will help Poland again, neither NATO, nor any other "allies" ...

[uu1]

Quote: Albert1988

Firstly, the USSR in the 39th did NOT declare war on Poland,

An attack without a declaration of war, is this not a war at all?
And what? Outdoor picnic riding a tank?

Quote: Albert1988

because Poland no longer existed!

These are your inventions.
Here is the order of the Polish commander in chief, Marshal Rydz-Smigly, from 17.09.1939/XNUMX/XNUMX:

The tips have invaded. I order the withdrawal to Romania and Hungary by the shortest routes. We shall not conduct combat operations with the Soviets, only if they try to disarm our units. The task for Warsaw and Modlin, which must defend themselves against the Germans, is unchanged. The units to which the Soviets approached should negotiate with them with a view to leaving the garrisons in Romania or Hungary. ... Parts of the CPC and parts that covered the “Romanian platform” - continue to resist

Quote: Albert1988

And why Anglo-Saxons Germany raised Nazi

Germany was fueled not by the Anglo-Saxons, but by the Americans. And just for the purpose of making a mess in Europe and finally taking the world to their hands. Which they managed to brilliantly crank in the late 30s, early 40s of the last century.
And no one was interested in the Soviet garbage in those years. Only in the 60s did she become interested in amers, who threw off some of the world's parasites from their neck to the neck of the USSR. The USSR, bluntly smiling, called these parasites "the socialist camp". And he non-stop shipped there food and various pieces of iron on credit, which no one even thought to give back. Pathetically calling this disgrace "foreign trade".

Quote: Albert1988

The fact that her leadership is climbing hard to kiss the boots of the Anglo-Saxon elites who brazenly threw this very Poland at the most critical moment for her!

The whole REASONABLE world is engaged in this. Moreover, for many centuries. Only before they kissed the boots not of Amers, but of the Britons. For this, the kissers are allowed to live more or less securely and calmly.
But still far from everyone understands this (there are no brains in the head). But they will understand it. And no options. Only now, at the time of awareness, the population of these countries (if they can be called that) will already be in a terrible state.

Quote: Albert1988

and no one will help Poland again, neither NATO, nor any other "allies" ...

May not help. And maybe it will help. Everything will depend on the general situation. And from the owner of the modern world, USA.
And then, what can happen to Poland now? Poland is not in danger now. Absolutely.

[Albert1988]

Quote: uu1

An attack without a declaration of war, is this not a war at all?
And what? Outdoor picnic riding a tank?

This is the entry of troops of one state into the territory of another state that has remained uncontrolled, which has ceased to exist. since his government left its territory, at the same time leaving the order to NOT resist the incoming Soviet troops ...

Quote: uu1

Germany was fueled not by the Anglo-Saxons, but by the Americans.

Are Americans NOT Anglo-Saxons now?

Quote: uu1

But the Soviet garbage dump did not interest anyone in those years.

Ogh, it is))))) With such a knowledge of history, you, dear, are worthy of becoming a teacher of the history of the century in Svidomo school ...

Quote: uu1

The whole REASONABLE world is engaged in this.

Yah? Here are the Germans, they’re not climbing from something, China and Japan are NOT climbing, they had to be forced to force them ...
So remember - Eastern Europe is NOT a "smart world", they are former colonies of more developed / strong powers that have not yet outlived the associated complexes at the elite level ...

Quote: uu1

For this, the kissers are allowed to live more or less securely and calmly.

Congratulations - you have the psychology of a slave with such judgments))))

Quote: uu1

But still far from everyone understands this (there are no brains in the head). But they will understand it. And no options. Only now, at the time of awareness, the population of these countries (if they can be called that) will already be in a terrible state.

While everything is going to the point that the population of the "Anglo-Saxon world" will be in a terrible state ...

Quote: uu1

And from the owner of the modern world, USA.

The problem is that your position depends on the "master", slave psychology is fully)))) And the main thing is that the slaves do not understand that the master will not protect them - the master needs slaves to put them on their territory potential targets for the same Russian missiles to divert these same missiles from targets in their more important territory))))

Quote: uu1

And then, what can happen to Poland now? Poland is not in danger now. Absolutely.

Well, how to say, NOW is not threatening, but historical experience says that anything can happen))))

[uu1]

Quote: Albert1988

the entry of troops of one state into the uncontrolled territory of another state that has ceased to exist

And again, this is an impudent lie.
I have already given you the proofs of this above.

Quote: Albert1988

Congratulations - you have the psychology of a slave with such judgments))))

No, slaves were fellow citizens. Some of them (quite a lot) remained mentally by them.
It is foolish to call people rational slaves. But the Soviets have their own terminology.

Quote: Albert1988

Are Americans NOT Anglo-Saxons now?

Anglo-Saxons are not united.

Quote: Albert1988

Here are the Germans, they’re not climbing from something, China and Japan are NOT climbing, they had to be forced to force them ...

Do not climb? By force?
In what century are you stuck?
China, so he generally tore his whole ass. But this one does not see anything and does not want to see.

Quote: Albert1988

So remember - Eastern Europe is NOT a "smart world", they are former colonies of more developed / strong powers that have not yet outlived the associated complexes at the elite level ...

You need to teleport 100 years ago, to the USSR. There, your reasoning would be appropriate.
But the modern world is not designed as you see it.

Quote: Albert1988

While everything is going to the point that the population of the "Anglo-Saxon world" will be in a terrible state ...

Gee-gee-gee. You are funny, "witnesses of socialism." And the world around you is fictional, virtual.

Quote: Albert1988

your position depends on the "master", slave psychology fully)))) And most importantly, the slaves do not understand that the masters

You have not only a mentality, you even have slavish terminology. In addition to slaves and masters, you do not know anyone else.
But then there were many different OEF. Where the relationship of subordination between people was different. But you have not grown to them yet. Stuck in the Middle Ages.

Quote: Albert1988

to put potential targets for the same Russian missiles on their territory

Calm down about these missiles. They are just as virtual as the imaginary world around you.

Quote: Albert1988

but historical experience says that anything can happen)

Historical experience in such matters is a poor advisor. Because the world is moving forward and the situation is changing. And only the "witnesses of socialism" are stuck in the past and muttering some funny mantras from their Middle Ages.

[Albert1988]

Quote: uu1

And again, this is an impudent lie.
I have already given you the proofs of this above.

No, this is alas true, historical, exactly the same as the fact that the Polish ambassador in Germany was, hmm, Hitler’s anti-Semite and co-sponsor, and Pan Pilsudski was best friends with Adolfik)))
And the evidence you have presented can only argue with the "refutations" of the theses about anti-Semitism of some Polish politicians issued by the Polish government)))

Quote: uu1

No, slaves were fellow citizens. Some of them (quite a lot) remained mentally by them.
It is foolish to call people rational slaves. But the Soviets have their own terminology.

Well, what can I say - your slavery is so ingrained that you do not even realize it)))) This, by the way, is the first sign of a true slave))) But Soviet citizens, surprisingly, perfectly understood that the freedom declared by they are dumb, but you do not understand, that is, it is you, and not the "fellow citizens" who are true slaves ...

Quote: uu1

Gee-gee-gee. You are funny, "witnesses of socialism." And the world around you is fictional, virtual.

No, only you are funny, gentlemen "shanovna pans", socialism has long been gone, even in China, but the problems inside the "golden billion" are a fact of objective reality))))

Quote: uu1

You have not only a mentality, you even have slavish terminology. In addition to slaves and masters, you do not know anyone else.
But then there were many different OEF. Where the relationship of subordination between people was different. But you have not grown to them yet. Stuck in the Middle Ages.

Nothing will change from the fact that you are shifting to others - you are a slave, serf, servant, servant, vassal, it doesn’t matter - you DO NOT determine the fate of your country and your people, your masters, patrons, curators, overlords determine it overseas, also not important - whatever you call it - nothing will change)))

Quote: uu1

Calm down about these missiles. They are just as virtual as the imaginary world around you.

Yes, but from something the American commissions that regularly check these missiles do not think so))))
But what’s really virtual is the Polish military power, which is so great that in case of a big war the role of Poland will be reduced to statistical error))))

Quote: uu1

Historical experience in such matters is a poor adviser. Because the world is moving forward and the situation is changing.

Yes, but Poland, as it was a slave country, earnestly wishing to become "an empire from Mozha to Mozha" - so it remains, just does not know how to do it and can not do it))))

Quote: uu1

And only the "witnesses of socialism" are stuck in the past and muttering some funny mantras from their Middle Ages.

Socialism and the Middle Ages are terms as compatible as nuclear energy and antiquity))))
And the fact that you see "socialists" everywhere is just a sign of your inhibition in the past))))

[uu1]

Quote: Albert1988

but the problems inside the "golden billion" are a fact of objective reality))))

There are no problems there. People live for themselves and enjoy life.
Not inventing and not looking for all sorts of fictional enemies. External and internal.

Quote: Albert1988

but from something the American commissions that regularly check these missiles do not think so))))

Then they send you reports? Pigeon mail?

Quote: Albert1988

that in case of a big war

Wars between whom and by whom?
You are planning some kind of "big wars". Between whom and whom?
You are funny. In the modern world, no "big wars" are possible in principle. There are no suitable opposing sides.

Quote: Albert1988

Socialism and the Middle Ages are terms as compatible as nuclear energy and antiquity.

I do not know about nuclear energy, but Soviet socialism was the real Middle Ages in the 20th century. The USSR of the period of Dzhugashvili (December 1927) and further was an orthodox theocratic society (based on the pseudo-religion Marxism-Leninism), in fact, a large Sect. Inside, the sect used the slave-owning mode of production, the distinguishing feature of which was extreme centralism. At the time of Dzhugashvili, the slave owner in this Sect was alone, and after his death and the failure of Khrushchev’s attempt to take the place of Dzhugashvili, the slave owner became collective, the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee.
If you want to see with your own eyes the socialism of the times of Dzhugashvili, you do not need a time machine, go to the DPRK. There he is now.
If you are interested in looking at "developed socialism" (during the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee), fly to Cuba. There he is.
And there is no need to tell fables about paradise life in the USSR. Wretched was that life in that wretched state.

[Albert1988]

Quote: uu1

There are no problems there. People live for themselves and enjoy life.
Not inventing and not looking for all sorts of fictional enemies. External and internal.

Og, they killed an official of another country in the territory of a third country - is it so happy? Sponsor revolts. the overthrow of legitimate governments and direct invasions around the world - yes, they live peacefully))))

Quote: uu1

Then they send you reports? Pigeon mail?

Why me? They give their reports to their government, and then, then, it publishes those parts of it. which are permissible for publication, but everything can be found on the Internet, or do you live in the Middle Ages?

Quote: uu1

I do not know about nuclear energy, but Soviet socialism was the real Middle Ages in the 20th century. The USSR of the period of Dzhugashvili (December 1927) and further was an orthodox theocratic society (based on the pseudo-religion Marxism-Leninism), in fact, a large Sect.

Sorry, I didn’t know that you managed to live and see everything with your own eyes! I really didn’t know! Sorry! By the way, tell me, please, in what year did you end up in the Gulag for 100500 years and for what anecdote about Stalin? And how many times have you been shot there and for what specifically?

Quote: uu1

If you are interested in looking at "developed socialism" (during the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee), fly to Cuba. There he is.

I have never been to Cuba, but I talked to Cubans - and so - there is NOT "developed socialism (from the times of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU)" (whatever this absolutely meaningless wording means), there generally does not smell of socialism as such. As in North Korea, the attributes of which you attribute to the USSR during Stalin's time, maybe you were in a North Korean camp, and not in a Soviet one, after all? Otherwise, how can I explain that you have not been shot three times so far?

Quote: uu1

And there is no need to tell fables about paradise life in the USSR. Wretched was that life in that wretched state.

Please, quote me where SPECIFICALLY, I say that life in the USSR was "heavenly"? And in general, what does life in the country have to do with it if we are talking exclusively about foreign policy, issues of "aggression and annexations"?

Although, what do I want from you? I ask you a different topic, which seems to be about socialism, but what does it have to do with it when it came to Polish aggression against independent states, and then the actions of the Red Army then in the territories of Poland no longer existing?

[uu1]

Quote: Albert1988

killed an official of another country in the territory of a third country

You somehow poorly imagine the modern structure of planet Earth.
It would be nice in the days of the USSR, when slaves were hanging noodles over their ears for fences. But now, what prevents to study the issue?

Quote: Albert1988

Sponsor revolts. the overthrow of legitimate governments and direct invasions around the world

Is it necessary to write nonsense?

Quote: Albert1988

They give their reports to their government.

And on the basis of their reports, the US government, fearing a response, announces "sanctions" to the Russian Federation, but in fact declares a "cold war" to it?
Have you heard about such a thing as logic?

Quote: Albert1988

there generally does not smell of socialism as such.

There is something very similar to "developed socialism".
Fly, ponostalgic.

Quote: Albert1988

As in North Korea, the attributes of which you attribute to the USSR from the time of Stalin

And in the DPRK, something like just socialism, not developed. The times of Dzhugashvili.

Quote: Albert1988

and the actions of the Red Army then in the territories of Poland no longer existing?

Why will I comment on your enemy?
I brought you the order of the commander-in-chief of the Polish army, Marshal Rydz-Smigly, from 17.09.1939. This is enough.
It is enough that I brought you the Sikorsky-May Agreement of July 30.07.1941, 1939, according to which the USSR returned everything that was seized from Poland in XNUMX to Poland.
These are documents.
From you, I see only lies and impulsive squeals like "the fool himself." They are not interesting to me.

[Albert1988]

Quote: uu1

You somehow poorly imagine the modern structure of planet Earth.
It would be nice in the days of the USSR, when slaves were hanging noodles over their ears for fences. But now, what prevents to study the issue?

Yeah, that is, if Pan Macerevich comes to the territory of, say, Ukraine, then Russia has every right to bomb him there? Fine, otherwise I dark did not know how things are done there in the "reasonable world"))))

Quote: uu1

Is it necessary to write nonsense?

So far, only you, dear, have written nonsense about the "reasonable world"))))

Quote: uu1

And on the basis of their reports, the US government, fearing a response, announces "sanctions" to the Russian Federation, but in fact declares a "cold war" to it?
Have you heard about such a thing as logic?

And where does the sanction? I talked about what is published for an ordinary citizen without a country ... And if you are talking about logic, then tell me, why should the United States declare sanctions to Russia for "virtual" missiles? At the same time, to assert that these very "virtual" missiles have already been deployed, what is the reason for violating the agreements? So who is not friendly with logic here?

Quote: uu1

There is something very similar to "developed socialism".
Fly, ponostalgic.

Why am I nostalgic if I
a) lived under socialism for 3 years,
b) I do not like socialism?

Quote: uu1

And in the DPRK, something like just socialism, not developed. The times of Dzhugashvili.

That is, you still sat in the DPRK in the camp, and were shot in the Stalin Soviet Union?

Quote: uu1

It is enough that I brought you the Sikorsky-May Agreement of July 30.07.1941, 1939, according to which the USSR returned everything that was seized from Poland in XNUMX to Poland.
These are documents.

And as soon as it turned out that Grodno and Lviv with Ivano-Frankivsk did end up as part of Belarus and Ukraine, respectively?

Firstly, the commander-in-chief is not the government, if Poland was still a democratic country, because the Polish government fled the country like true gentry on September 4, and the president, as a true gentry, already on September 1. And just because someone out there said that "the Soviets have invaded" doesn't make it a real invasion.
Second, no Anglo-Saxons ordered the USSR to sign the Sikorsky-Maisky Agreement, the USSR took this step solely from the fact that it had to create a potentially allied army from Polish prisoners of war and simply Poles, who began to be separated from prisons and camps. By the way, Vilna was left behind Lithuania, the Anglo-Saxon "Harry Potters" lacked the strength of their "imperio")))) Moreover, in 1943 this agreement was canceled by the USSR, since the Polish government, as always, biting the hand that feeds him, she agreed to participate in the Katyn farce of the Germans.

Therefore, my advice to you is to stop the slavish reptile before the Anglo-Saxons, at least because they betrayed you repeatedly and were ready to sacrifice you for the sake of their short-term political interests. Begin to behave as a sovereign state and as a sovereign nation with a thousand-year history! Because now, as one of your retired ministers said, problems with national pride and self-awareness, all the best

[Svarog51]

Why can't Poland live in peace without attacking its neighbors? Again, "from mozha to mozha" wanted?

[ma-monthly]

Umm, Poland would have stopped, but the Red Army had one goal - the world revolution. Poland had no choice but to completely defeat Soviet Russia in order to force it to abandon its expansion towards Poland. And it worked, the Red Army went to "liberate" Transcaucasia, Central Asia, the Far East - the goals are softer and weaker.

[Professor]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

It is true that in 1938, Polish troops occupied Zaolzie, but it is also true that on September 17, Russia attacked Poland ....

No Russia attacked Poland. The USSR attacked Poland, and Russia was formed in 1991.

[Michal Rakowski]

I thought that the history of Russia is 1000 years, not 30 years ...

[Professor]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

I thought that the history of Russia is 1000 years, not 30 years ...

And I thought that the Russian Federation became sovereign in 1991, and it turns out in 1990.

[kotvov]

You better not think, but study history.

[hhhhhhh]

Independent of whom? Rather, the elites surrendered to the United States.

[Fitter65]

Quote: professor

And I thought that the Russian Federation became sovereign in 1991,

And before 1991, did someone occupy, colonize, or was it someone's mandated territory?

[Uncle Izya]

There was no Russian Empire?
Modern Jews have nothing to do with the ancients this time. Do you two live in the occupied lands aren't you ashamed?
Three live on Israeli sites 9tv.co.il kursor.co.il and try to write something against Israel there!

[Albert1988]

Quote: professor

And I thought that the Russian Federation became sovereign in 1991, and it turns out in 1990.

The turkey also thought that it was bathing until the water began to boil))))
RSFSR - what is it? Probably has nothing to do with the Russian Federation

Honest word, you have already become ridiculous, dear Professor)))))

[ssm]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

I thought that the history of Russia is 1000 years, not 30 years ...

Russia lived a little less than 200 years. And in 1918 she died.
Russia is still a little over 28 years with a penny.

[Uncle Izya]

Russia is a young state but the beginning of the Dynasty
Rurikovichi
Official language
Russian
Prince, Grand Duke
• 1263-1303
Daniil Alexandrovich (first)
• 1533-1547
Ivan IV (last)
History
• 1213
First allocated
• 1263
Reallocated
• 1363
Grand Duchy
• 1480
Complete independence from the Horde
• 1547
Kingdom proclaimed
The Grand Duchy of Moscow is a medieval Russian feudal state. Initially, the inheritance of the Grand Duchy of Vladimir, from the middle of the XIV century as a result of the transformation of Vladimir into the hereditary possession of the Moscow princes - is a great principality [source?]. From the 1330s to 1480, Moscow princes, with rare exceptions, were holders of the Khan's grand-ducal label, for which they fought with two other major principalities: Tver and Nizhny Novgorod-Suzdal.
With the further expansion of the possessions of Moscow princes and the centralization of power at the end of the 1485th century, the Grand Duchy of Moscow became the center of a unified Russian state, freed from Horde dependence. C 1 (in a number of documents and earlier) Ivan III Vasilievich was constantly titled “the Grand Duke of All Russia”, in foreign documents he was called the Kaiser [XNUMX].

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Highlighting the Principality
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Foreign policy
2.1
Relations with the Grand Duchy of Lithuania
2.2
Relations with the Golden Horde
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Organization of the Moscow Principality
3.1
Struggle for power
3.2
Church
3.3
Destinies
3.4
Social structure
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Law
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The formation of the Russian state
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См. также
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Notes
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Literature
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Allocation of the Principality [edit | edit code]
The first Moscow prince was the sixth son of Vsevolod III the Big Nest - Vladimir [source not specified 1116 days], who sat in Moscow for several months in 1213 (taking the city from his older brother, Prince Vladimir of Vladimir). Soon, however, the Moscow volost returned to the estate of the Grand Duke, and Vladimir Vsevolodovich was transferred to the more prestigious Pereyaslavl-Yuzhny. Around 1236, the Grand Duke of Vladimir Yuri Vsevolodovich allotted the Moscow Principality to his young son Vladimir. During the Batu invasion, Moscow was looted and burned on January 20, 1238, and Vladimir Yuryevich, who defended it, was captured and killed on February 3. Moscow again returned to the estate of the Grand Duke, Yaroslav Vsevolodovich. After his murder in the Horde in 1246, another division of the Vladimir-Suzdal land took place. In 1246-1248, Moscow was owned by Mikhail Yaroslavich Khorobrit (this fact is not mentioned in all chronicles and is considered controversial). However, he was not satisfied with his secondary position. In 1248, Mikhail raided the capital city of Vladimir, drove out Uncle Svyatoslav Vsevolodovich from there, and occupied a great table in the absence of the older brothers Alexander and Andrei. Mikhail Yaroslavich Khorobrit ruled very little, in the winter (January 15, 1248) he died in a battle with the Lithuanians on the banks of the Protva River. His remains were transferred to the Assumption Cathedral of Vladimir. Mikhail Khorobrit became the last Russian Grand Duke to die in battle. According to some reports, after the death of Mikhail, his young son Boris remained, who owned the Moscow principality with the permission of his uncle, Alexander Nevsky. Boris Mikhailovich died shortly before 1263, before reaching adulthood.
According to the will of Alexander Nevsky, the principality in the same year 1263 was allotted to his youngest son, Daniil Aleksandrovich, to whose descendants it was assigned. The son of Daniel was Ivan I (Kalita) - Dmitry Donskoy’s grandfather. However, throughout this time, the Principality of Moscow was specific in the Grand Duchy of Vladimir

[Svarog51]

The city of Yaroslavl has existed for more than 1000 years - Russia is much longer. What have you been banned from the Internet, take an interest in the dates of the formation of the RSFSR, the USSR and the Russian Federation. And compare the dates of the contracts with each state entity.

[Olgovich]

Quote: professor

. To Poland attacked the USSR

"Attacked" means ...
Those. you for hundreds of thousands of jews eastern Kresa hit Auschwitz two years earlier?

There are no words ....

[Professor]

When there are no words, it is better to be silent.

The elderberry garden, and the uncle in Kiev. What is the connection? Just do not tell me that the scoop attacked Poland to save the Jews. Nobody was interested in the fate of the Jews. Hitler offered Dzhugashvili to take away the Jews located in the territories controlled by the Germans. Dzhugashvili did not agree. He was only selling more money for transit visas to wealthy Jews who fled from Germany to Japan. Business and nothing personal.

[Olgovich]

Quote: professor

When there are no words, then better shut up.

And why don't you ... follow YOUR own postulate and carry and carry?

Quote: professor

The elderberry garden, and the uncle in Kiev. What is the connection?

direct.

Quote: professor

Just do not tell me that the scoop attacked Poland to save the Jews.

I talk about FACTS:
1 .: YOU advocated the entry of the Jews of the All-Weather Kresa into Auschwitz two years earlier.
2. RELEASE OF WESTERN RUSSIA FROM THE Polish Invaders SAVED and hundreds of thousands of Jews and extended their life

[Professor]

Quote: Olgovich

I talk about FACTS:
1 .: YOU advocated the entry of the Jews of the All-Weather Kresa into Auschwitz two years earlier.

Rave. In your opinion, it turns out that the Friendship Agreement with Nazi Germany sent West European Jews to gas stoves? USSR accessory?

Quote: Olgovich

2. RELEASE OF WESTERN RUSSIA FROM THE Polish Invaders SAVED and hundreds of thousands of Jews and extended their life

Another nonsense. No one saved the Jews.

Quote: hhhhhhh

Scoop taught you to write and read.
You lived to see your age thanks to the scoop.
The scoop is too kind, it was not necessary for you to do all this.

Dad and mom taught me. I am grateful to them on the coffin.

[Olgovich]

Quote: professor

Brad.

1. I am also surprised: the professor and ... raves ....

Quote: professor

In your opinion, it turns out that the Friendship Agreement with Nazi Germany sent West European Jews to gas stoves? USSR accessory?

What is it like?!
See Clause 1

Quote: professor

Another nonsense. No one did not save the Jews.

But THANKS. Didn’t get it?
See Clause 1.

[Professor]

How everything is up and running.
1. Germany officially asked for Jews, the USSR refused. Jews were sent to gas chambers. Conclusion - the USSR saved the Jews.
2. The USSR sold transit visas to wealthy Jews for large amounts in foreign currency. The rest were sent to gas chambers. Conclusion - the USSR saved the Jews.
3. The USSR signed with Hitler Friendship agreement while there were concentration camps. Delivered raw materials to the Nazi industry. Conclusion - the USSR saved the Jews.
4. Before the front itself approached the Auschwitz of the USSR, it did not strike a finger against the finger in order to destroy this death machine. Neither gas chambers nor access roads were bombed. Conclusion - the USSR saved the Jews.

PS
You, together with the Nightingale and Kisilevs, can now distort history as you please. You can tell that Poland attacked the USSR or that Poland was no longer there and the Red Army did not cross the Soviet-Polish border, but the Soviet-no border. You can tell that 40 Polish officers were shot not by Soviet executioners, but by German ones, or that there were no Polish victims at all "since Poland was gone." You can decide that 000x2 = 2 or that the Sun revolves around the Earth (https://www.mk.ru/social/5/2017/03/chetvert-rossiyan-veryat-chto-solnce-vrashhaetsya-vokrug-zemli.html ), but there are adequate educated people in the world who know the truth. And you have such. It is they who will then teach the truth to millions of zombified Russians. This gives me optimism.

[BAI]

but in the world there are adequate educated people who know the truth.

That is why, you (especially with a small letter) will not be able to distort the story.

[Olgovich]

Quote: professor

How everything is up and running.
1. Germany officially asked for Jews, the USSR refused. Jews were sent to gas chambers. .
2. The USSR sold transit visas to wealthy Jews for large amounts in foreign currency. The rest were sent to gas chambers.

The Israeli ....... does not know the history of the Holocaust .......
This is BEYOND in general: remember, "professor", the first gas cameras were installed at the end JUNE 1941 in Auschwitz, the first mass execution -in September November 41, XNUMX
И no refused by the Union of Jews to send them, respectively, COULD NOT. Did it get there?
By the way, read the REMARK, HOW did the West accept and surrender Jews to the Jews BEFORE WWII.

Quote: professor

Conclusion - the USSR saved the Jews.

Spas Hundreds of thousands of Polish Jewsthat survived the liberation of Western Russia in 1939. This is just a fact.
But in 41 g, YOUR Lithuanian friends slaughtered 200 Jews who survived in 000.
Remember!

Quote: professor

3. The USSR signed a treaty of friendship with Hitler while there were concentration camps. Delivered raw materials to the Nazi industry.

This is the apotheosis of wild ignorance: the Nazi concentration camps have been with Dahau since 1933 to help you and EVERYTHING, I emphasize EVERYTHING. Jews including traded with germany

Quote: professor

You, along with the nightingales and Kisilevs, can now distort history as you please.

You with the Poles and other Russophobic abomination can pervert History as you please, but WWII began in Europe October 1, 1938 when your poles. your Germans and Hungarians. WITH PERMISSION OF YOUR English TORNED Czechoslovakia. it's just a fact.
Hitler became TWO times stronger and went on.

Quote: professor

It gives me optimism

Your denseness, even in Jewish affairs, inspires only pessimism: even if the "professor" is not Kpenhagen, then what can we say about small plankton ..... .

[Professor]

Quote: Olgovich

The Israeli ....... does not know the history of the Holocaust .......
This is BEYOND in general: remember, "professor", the first gas chambers were installed at the end of JUNE 1941 in Auschwitz, the first mass execution was in SEPTEMBER 41.
And no refusal by the Union of Jews to send them, respectively, could not. Did it get there?
By the way, read the REMARK, HOW did the West accept and surrender Jews to the Jews BEFORE WWII.

The Holocaust did not begin in June 1941, but much earlier. Even before the conclusion of the Friendship Treaty, CEP. The USSR refused Germany to accept Jews and only after that the Germans switched to the mass extermination of Jews.

Quote: Olgovich

Saved HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND Polish Jews who survived the liberation of Western Russia in 1939. This is simply a FACT.
But in 41 g, YOUR Lithuanian friends slaughtered 200 Jews who survived in 000.
Remember!

The Lithuanians are not friends to us, but they destroyed all the Jews in a row.

Quote: Olgovich

This is the apotheosis of wild ignorance: the Nazi concentration camps have been with Dahau since 1933 to help you and EVERYTHING, I emphasize EVERYTHING. Jews including traded with germany

That is what I am writing about. The USSR signed a friendship treaty with Hitler while concentration camps existed. Delivered raw materials to the Nazi industry.

Quote: Olgovich

You with the Poles and other Russophobic abomination can pervert History as you like, but WWII began in Europe on October 1, 1938, when your Poles. your Germans and Hungarians. with the permission of YOUR English TORNED Czechoslovakia. it's just a fact.
Hitler became TWO times stronger and went on.

The whole company does not keep up and only you keep up. WWII began on 1.09.39. Remember this.

Quote: Olgovich

Your denseness, even in Jewish affairs, inspires only pessimism: even if the "professor" is not Kpenhagen, then what can we say about small plankton .....

I'm not mad at you.

[Olgovich]

Quote: professor

Holocaust did not start in june xnumxand much earlier. Even before the conclusion of the Friendship Treaty, CEP

And who claimed about June 41? But there were no gas chambers, as you claimed.

Quote: professor

USSR refused Germany to accept Jews and only after that Germans proceeded to the mass extermination of Jews.

You do not know the history of the Holocaust. Alas
Holocaust:

the persecution and extermination of European Jews by Nazi Germany and collaborators throughout 1933—1945

since 1933 !! 1

Quote: professor

The Lithuanians are not friends to us, but they destroyed all the Jews in a row.

Well then. such glorious Europeans are Russophobes.

Quote: professor

That is what I am writing about. The USSR signed a friendship treaty with Hitler while concentration camps existed. Delivered raw materials to the Nazi industry.

So I write about It: DHAHA functions with 1933 g and ALL THE WEST at this time is TRADING. arms, holds the Olympics. puts forward a Nobel Prize.
Long before the Soviet Socialist Republic.
This is just a fact.

Quote: professor

The whole company does not keep up and only you keep up. WWII began on 1.09.39. Remember this.

And what was October 1, 1938? Do not want to see? But it is necessary, it is necessary!
This was The first ACT WWII. and zero is anschlus.
Remember this.

Quote: professor

I'm not mad at you.

I’m just perplexed: the Israeli Sokolov, and so get in trouble with the cameras. with camps.
how so
unclear.....

[Professor]

Quote: Olgovich

And who claimed about June 41? But there were no gas chambers, as you claimed.

Germany officially asked for Jews, the USSR refused. Jews were sent to gas chambers. If the USSR accepted the Jews, there would be no one to send them to the gas chambers. But who cares about the Jews?

Quote: Olgovich

You do not know the history of the Holocaust. Alas
Holocaust:
the persecution and extermination of European Jews by Nazi Germany and collaborators during 1933-1945
since 1933 !! 1

As we see, the Holocaust did not prevent Dzugashvili from kissing Nazi criminals in a hickey.

Quote: Olgovich

Well then. such glorious Europeans are Russophobes.

Nobody was interested in the fate of the Jews, neither the Americans nor the USSR.

Quote: Olgovich

So I write about This: DHAHA has been functioning since 1933 and ALL THE WEST at this time is TRADING. arms, holds the Olympics. puts forward a Nobel Prize.
Long before the Soviet Socialist Republic.
This is just a fact.

Here I am about that. A scoop is no better than others, and even worse. They at least do not make themselves holy.

Quote: Olgovich

And what was October 1, 1938? Do not want to see? But it is necessary, it is necessary!
It was the First Act of WWII. and zero is anschlus.
Remember this.

If you repeat "halva" 1000 times, then your mouth will not be sweet. You can study alternative history and assume that only you are keeping pace.

Quote: Olgovich

I’m just perplexed: the Israeli Sokolov, and so get in trouble with the cameras. with camps.
how so
unclear.....

Read above. Everything is there.

[Olgovich]

Quote: professor

Germany officially asked for Jews, the USSR refused. Jews sent to gas chambers

There were then no gas chambers. I repeat again.
Accordingly, no one in the USSR (and other countries, yes) about the destruction in gas chambers and suggest could not.
again didn’t get it?

Quote: professor

As we see, the Holocaust did not prevent Dzugashvili from kissing Nazi criminals in a hickey.

he kissed "LAST-ONLY after your lovers of Nazism, the leaders of England, France and the United States.
forgot?

Quote: professor

Nobody was interested in the fate of the Jews, neither the Americans nor the USSR.

Of course. But it was the USSR that saved MILLIONS of Jews.

you still did not answer a simple question: are you for the elimination of the Jews of Lvov in 1939, and not in 41?

Quote: professor

Here I am about that. A scoop is no better than others, and even worse. They at least do not make themselves holy.

Build and how! Nazi Germany created the West-money, politics: not the USSR commanded in Europe until WWII.

Quote: professor

If you repeat "halva" 1000 times, then your mouth will not be sweet. You can study alternative history and assume that only you are keeping pace.

similar advice to you.
FACTS given-can refute? no? So what to talk about?

The West created the Nazi beast. The beast unleashed the WWII with its full indulgence .. This is just a fact, whether you want to know it or not.
The USSR saved millions, tens of millions of people. This is also a fact.

Quote: professor

Quote: Olgovich
I’m just perplexed: the Israeli Sokolov, and so get in trouble with the cameras. with camps.
how so
unclear.....

Read above. Everything is there.

There is, sorry, illiterate chatter

[Professor]

Quote: Olgovich

There were then no gas chambers. I repeat again.
Correspondingly, no one in the USSR (and other countries, yes) could have imagined the destruction in gas chambers.
again didn’t get it?

At that moment, Jews were exterminated in other ways. Jews who were denied admission were put in gas chambers. Does it reach you badly?

Quote: Olgovich

he kissed "LAST - only after your lovers of Nazism - the leaders of England, France and the United States.
forgot?

Does that justify him? By the way Friendship agreement with the Nazis was only with him.

Quote: Olgovich

Of course. But it was the USSR that saved MILLIONS of Jews.

you still did not answer a simple question: are you for the elimination of the Jews of Lvov in 1939, and not in 41?

No. The anti-Hitler coalition saved the surviving Jews, and the scoop refused to accept the Jews and they were sent to gas chambers. Not in a sanatorium, not in Madagascar, but in gas chambers.

Quote: Olgovich

If you repeat "halva" 1000 times, then your mouth will not be sweet. You can study alternative history and assume that only you are keeping pace.

similar advice to you.
FACTS given-can refute? no? So what to talk about?

Open the Great Soviet Encyclopedia: "The Second World War 1939—1945, a war prepared by the forces of international imperialist reaction and unleashed by the main aggressive states — fascist Germany, fascist Italy and militaristic Japan. V. m.v., like the first, ..."

Teach materiel.

Quote: Olgovich

There is, sorry, illiterate chatter

If I were you, I would have kept silent about "literacy".

[Olgovich]

Quote: professor

At that moment the Jews exterminated in other ways.

1. You are ignorant mass extermination of Jews began precisely after the start of the Second World War. Learn the history of the Jewish people and the Holocaust.
2.You carried nonsense about gas chambers

Quote: professor

Jews who were denied admission were put in gas chambers.

1. all Jews hit. not just refuseniks
2 .. The whole world refused to Jews much earlier than the USSR -International refugee conference in Evian (France) in July 1938-to help you.
3. did not know then about gas chambers and did not think. what is possible.

WHEN will it come?

Quote: professor

No. The anti-Hitler coalition saved the surviving Jews, and the scoop refused to accept the Jews and they were sent to gas chambers. Not in a sanatorium, not in Madagascar, but in gas chambers.

Yes.
it was the USSR that endured the bulk of the war (the participation of other countries in the coalition’s / Hitlery) and thereby saved the remaining Jews
А West refused - see above, accept Jews and even gave them out (France and a remark to help you) and they were sent to gas chambers

Quote: professor

Teach materiel.

Do you reject the blatant occupation of Czechoslovakia by Poland, Germany, Hungary with the support of England, France, and the USA? By the way, dozens of people died!
Remember?

Quote: professor

If I were you, I would have kept silent about "literacy".

When will you answer the three times asked simple question:

you are for the Jews of Lviv carved back in 1939 g, not 41g?

Judging by your Polish suffering, yes.

There are no words .......

[Professor]

Quote: Olgovich

1. You are ignorant mass extermination of Jews began precisely after the start of the Second World War. Learn the history of the Jewish people and the Holocaust.
2.You carried nonsense about gas chambers

The extermination of the Jews began before Auschwitz. For example, Kristallnacht.
Jews who were denied admission were put in gas chambers. If the scoop accepted the Jews, then there would be no gas chambers.

Quote: Olgovich

1. All Jews hit. not just refuseniks
2 .. The whole world refused to Jews much earlier than the USSR -International refugee conference in Evian (France) in July 1938-to help you.
3. did not know then about gas chambers and did not think. what is possible.

1. All these Jews were refuseniks. The scoop refused to accept them and they got into the gas chambers. And Eichmann created the cameras themselves after he could not get rid of the Jews by sending them to the USSR.
2. Refused the whole world to the Jews and the USSR as well. No one is better.
3. The mass extermination of Jews has already begun; concentration camps have already been working.

Quote: Olgovich

Yes.
it was the USSR that endured the bulk of the war (the participation of other countries in the coalition’s / Hitlery) and thereby saved the remaining Jews
But the West refused - see above - to accept Jews and even issued them (France and a remark to help you) and they were sent to gas chambers

Everyone refused to accept Jews and nobody was interested in the fate of the Jews. USSR including. There were exceptions. For example, Bulgarian Tsar Boris III refused Hitler to send Bulgarian troops to the Eastern Front and in his demands to extradite the Jewish population of Bulgaria (50 people).

Quote: Olgovich

Do you reject the blatant occupation of Czechoslovakia by Poland, Germany, Hungary with the support of England, France, and the USA? By the way, dozens of people died!
Remember?

Read the Great Soviet Encyclopedia and do not break rubbish.
"The Second World War 1939-1945, a war prepared by the forces of the international imperialist reaction and unleashed by the main aggressive states - fascist Germany, fascist Italy and militaristic Japan. V. m. In., Like the first, ... "

Teach materiel.

Quote: Olgovich

Quote: professor
If I were you, I would have kept silent about "literacy".


When will you answer the three times asked simple question:
Are you for the fact that the Jews of Lviv were slaughtered back in 1939, and not in 41g?

Judging by your Polish suffering, yes.

There are no words .......

Your fantasies are not interesting to me.

[Albert1988]

Quote: professor

. All these Jews were refuseniks. The scoop refused to accept them and they got into the gas chambers. And Eichmann created the cameras themselves after he could not get rid of the Jews by sending them to the USSR.

And why then Omeryga did not agree to accept these Jews? Or England? So what?
And downright yes, downright gazenvagens were invented precisely for those Jews whom the USSR did not accept ... As the Japanese engineer said in the cranberry game C&C Red Alert 3
- I bow to your "wisdom" ...

[Professor]

Quote: Albert1988

Quote: professor

. All these Jews were refuseniks. The scoop refused to accept them and they got into the gas chambers. And Eichmann created the cameras themselves after he could not get rid of the Jews by sending them to the USSR.

And why then Omeryga did not agree to accept these Jews? Or England? So what?
And downright yes, downright gazenvagens were invented precisely for those Jews whom the USSR did not accept ... As the Japanese engineer said in the cranberry game C&C Red Alert 3
- I bow to your "wisdom" ...

The fate of the Jews was not interesting to anyone.

[Albert1988]

Quote: professor

The fate of the Jews was not interesting to anyone.

That's where we need to start, and say that the "Ugly Yankees", "Ugly Little Brits", "Damned Scoop" did not agree to host Jewish refugees among a couple of millions, which Nazi Germany was ready to "give free" to anyone who wished .. . incidentally thrust into this number a cloud of regular Abwehr agents, of course ...

And then - there was such an interesting Soviet citizen - Krivoshein Semyon Moiseevich, my fellow countryman, Guard Lieutenant General, who became famous thanks to the "joint" parade of German and Soviet troops, which "took" together with Guderian, and was also the author of the most optimal calculation method irrecoverable losses during the Second World War. But he was also engaged in the fact that during the final establishment of the line of demarcation between German and Soviet troops in Poland in 39, he helped a very decent number of Jews to end up on Soviet territory ...

[Olgovich]

Quote: professor

Extermination Jews began before Auschwitz. For example, Kristallnacht.

91 people died during the pogroms of XP night.

Terrible, of course, the crime. yes, but it is not "extermination". The extermination began exactly after the beginning of the Second World War - in Lithuania it was destroyed 240 Jews. This extermination ..

visit at least once Yad VashemIsraeli

Quote: professor

1. All these Jews were refuseniks. The scoop refused to accept them and they got into the gas chambers. And Eichmann created the cameras themselves after he could not get rid of the Jews by sending them to the USSR.

Scoop is that, the whole .... world ?! Why a scoop. which after WWI did not play any role in the world, you have the main ... refusenik?
He last was in the match of the English-phantasies and the USA, who refused much earlier ..

Quote: professor

Mass extermination of Jews has already begun

visit at least once Yad VashemIsraeli

Quote: professor

Read the Great Soviet Encyclopedia and do not break rubbish.
"The Second World War 1939-1945, a war prepared by the forces of the international imperialist reaction and unleashed by the main aggressive states - fascist Germany, fascist Italy and militaristic Japan. Military m. Century, like the first, ..."

Teach materiel.

Anti-scoop refers to .... scoop! nothing wedges, no?
You can refute the facts. no7 so what?

Quote: professor

Your fantasies are not interesting to me.

you answer the question:

Are you for the fact that the Jews of Lviv were slaughtered back in 1939, and not in 41g?

Coward?

[Professor]

91 people are not an accident, this is extermination.
We are not discussing "the whole world". We are discussing a scoop which OFFICIALLY offered to accept the Jews. He refused and THESE Jews ended their lives in gas chambers. Only the USSR had Friendship agreement with Nazi Germany, not England, etc.
Unlike you, I visited Yad Vashem and I know very well when the Holocaust began and when the Second World War began.
Read the Great Soviet Encyclopedia and do not break rubbish.
"The Second World War 1939-1945, a war prepared by the forces of the international imperialist reaction and unleashed by the main aggressive states - fascist Germany, fascist Italy and militaristic Japan. V. m. In., Like the first, ... "

How to learn material from the Encyclopedia, come back. And so I will not feed you. Everything I wanted to convey to other readers.

[Olgovich]

Quote: professor

91 people are not an accident, this is extermination.

This year there were several thousand murders in Germany.
So, in your opinion, the Germans ....... exterminated ....
what are you carrying?

Quote: professor

We are not discussing "the whole world". We are discussing a scoop that OFFICIALLY offered to accept Jews. He refused and THESE Jews ended their lives in gas chambers

Evian International Refugee Conference (France) in July 1938 OFFICIALLY refused to accept Jews from Germany. The whole world. Much earlier THE USSR. The USSR is the last on the list and did not decide anything in that world.

chop it on your forehead

Quote: professor

Only the USSR had a friendship treaty with Nazi Germany, not England, etc.

and what's more friendly about him. than in contracts with England and France? USA?

Who created the Reich war machine? This is not the USSR

Quote: professor

Unlike you, I visited Yad Vashem and I know very well when the Holocaust began and when the Second World War began.

Lying. Otherwise, they would not have been raving about the gas chambers of 1939-June 41g and the extermination of 39 g

Quote: professor

Read the Great Soviet Encyclopedia and do not break rubbish.
"The Second World War 1939-1945, a war prepared by the forces of the international imperialist reaction and unleashed by the main aggressive states - fascist Germany, fascist Italy and militaristic Japan. Military m. Century, like the first, ..."

Me not interested shovel encyclopedia, if it hasn’t reached yet.
There is no famine there with 7 million victims of 1933.

it is shown to you WHEN the FIRST WWII act took place -with occupation by several countries (by conspiracy) of an independent country, with "itstreblenie", by the way, dozens of people.
If this is not war, then what is it? Silent? Yeah ....

Quote: professor

And so I will not feed you

You carry the same thing for the third time, not noticing the answers and not answering questions. Tired of it.

PS When you stop trembling and you can finally answer the question:
Are you for the fact that the Jews of Lviv were slaughtered back in 1939, and not in 41g?
then come back.

[Svarog51]

Dmitriy So I, too, do not understand in any way why the "Jewish question" arises in any topic. What is that? I have a suspicion of my wife that she is Jewish, but for now I am neutralizing her influence on foreign policy. I try not to admit it. But my strength is not the same, I cannot hold back for a long time.

[Tiksi-3]

Sergei

Quote: Svarog51

why in any topic, the "Jewish question" arises. What's this?

it's just a rating - comments, advertising, money)) .... I think so

[Svarog51]

Yeah, got it. Better not to pay attention and stay calm.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Svarog51

Better not to pay attention

on trolls

Quote: Svarog51

and keep calm

anytime and anywhere!

[Svarog51]

Sometimes you have to "fight", recently the influx of trolls just rolls over. The site needs protection not only from moderators, but also from ours. You can't sit in a trench.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Svarog51

but ours too. You cannot sit out in the trench.

I agree to 100%

[GenNick]

I recognize a Jew by arithmetic 2 * 2 = how much do you need?
I remember the old joke
lead to the execution of Jews from the ghetto, one says, but maybe we’ll run away ?, from the crowd but will not be worse?
And where or from where did the Earth find the state code of Israel. As I age, I began to forget.
I hope that in the world there are abrazovannye and adequate people, well, then ...

[kiril1246]

Quote: GenNick

abused

this is a plus

[hhhhhhh]

Scoop taught you to write and read.
You lived to see your age thanks to the scoop.
The scoop is too kind, it was not necessary for you to do all this.

[ssm]

Quote: hhhhhhh

Scoop taught you to write and read.

But how can people read and write around the world without a scoop?
Geniuses?

Quote: hhhhhhh

You lived to see your age thanks to the scoop.

But how do people live all over the world, and even longer, without any scoop?

Quote: hhhhhhh

The scoop is too kind, it was not necessary for you to do all this.

Percentage for 50% of the population of Scoop, he did just that. Didn't let them live. "Good man" this one.

[hhhhhhh]

You do not speak for the whole world. you personally got it all from the scoop, not from the world.
What is wrong with 50% percent? Under Stalin, the population grew. Without Stalin, it shrinks and becomes dumber and dumber. You are proof of that.)))

[Terenin]

Quote: hhhhhhh

You are proof of that.)))

Kozma, well, you flatter him ... It has not yet formed before the "proof"

[Tank jacket]

Israel does not recognize the false interpretation from the Poles and the European Union on the events of WWII, because it does not want the final Holocaust.

[BAI]

Just do not tell me that the scoop attacked Poland to save the Jews. Nobody was interested in the fate of the Jews

Nevertheless, the intensive extermination of the Jews began precisely under the Germans. It is a fact. And 98% cannot be exterminated without the active help of the local population. This is also a fact. The Germans provided an opportunity and ordinary Poles actively took advantage of it. Those. the ruling elite of Poland restrained anti-Semitism (i.e., the ambassador poper against the leading line). And at the household level - 98 out of 100 were destroyed.

[Uncle Izya]

You write nonsense where is the document?
You happen to not spy Israeli

[Terenin]

Quote: professor

The elderberry garden, and the uncle in Kiev. What is the connection? Just do not tell me that the scoop attacked Poland to save the Jews. Nobody was interested in the fate of the Jews. Hitler offered Dzhugashvili to take away the Jews located in the territories controlled by the Germans. Dzhugashvili did not agree. He was only selling more money for transit visas to wealthy Jews who fled from Germany to Japan. Business and nothing personal.

Well, and nonsense .That's really real here,

Quote: professor

When there are no words, it is better to be silent.

[ssm]

Quote: Olgovich

"Attacked" means ...

But what about? Of course attacked. In collusion with the Nazis.

[hhhhhhh]

Civilized countries can conspire, but not Stalin? What kind of discrimination? Can the Poles in collusion with the Nazis attack Czechoslovakia, but the USSR can not? What a double standard.

[lucul]

But what about? Of course attacked. In conspiracy with the Nazis

If he attacked, then why did he stop at the border of HISTORICAL Poland and not go further? The Germans have not yet reached this border .....

[Dude]

No Russia attacked Poland. The USSR attacked Poland, and Russia was formed in 1991.

Professor, I understand Poland, with truth it’s so hard to fight that even the laws for this have to be adopted ...
But you, where do you climb? Or the ashes of Auschwitz, excuse me for some allegory, no longer knocking on your chest?
To Russia, to the USSR, can any slop be poured, since it was indicated from Capitol Hill? Even stomp on the bones of their ancestors agree?
You are not a Jew, forgive me, you are an ordinary mankurt - and such people have neither a clan nor a tribe.

[Dude]

Quote: ssm

Quote: Dude

In Russia, in the USSR, you can pour any slop

And who pours slop in the USSR? He himself is these slops.

Panova, I must admit, you once sat in the Kremlin.
But it was a long time ago.
Leave your phantom pains about past greatness
Yes, on the topic of your post: slops It was the Soviet Union that taught you how to clean. Millions of Poles demonstrate their skills by repairing (often, it doesn’t matter) millions of toilets in the EU

[hhhhhhh]

Your ancestors slop. You have good trash genetics.

[Pete mitchell]

Colleagues, don’t stoop to the level of a pan, don’t: it’s no longer a dispute, much less a discussion.
Their usual genetics: when pressed, they switch to Russian one after another, even on their territory. I checked

[hhhhhhh]

I’ll fill anyone’s face who considers the Russians aggressive.))))

[Pete mitchell]

we are peaceful people, but they taught us to throw grenades at school I agree with you, it's just funny to whine this Polish whining - kids discovery channel. They just haven’t been pressed yet ...

[hhhhhhh]

They know about the secret protocols of Pilsudski-Hitler, but they are silent.

[Pete mitchell]

Well, their eternal position is understandable - we are poor and unhappy, go with someone and rob someone. And they are being removed from EU funding ...

[Pete mitchell]

ModeratorsWhy do you look at this disgrace?

Quote: ssm

Quote: Dude

In Russia, in the USSR, you can pour any slop

And who pours slop in the USSR? He himself is these slops.

Of course, I understand that Russian is not native to Pan, but this is already superfluous

[Professor]

Quote: Dude

Professor, I understand Poland, it is so hard to fight the truth that even the laws for this have to be adopted ...

What truth? The USSR attacked Poland in collusion with Hitler. Here is the undeniable truth.

Quote: Dude

But you, where do you climb? Or the ashes of Auschwitz, excuse me for some allegory, no longer knocking on your chest?

Auschwitz has nothing to do with it and does not change the fact that the USSR, in collusion with Hitler, attacked Poland, thereby unleashing the Second World War.

Quote: Dude

To Russia, to the USSR, can any slop be poured, since it was indicated from Capitol Hill? Even stomp on the bones of their ancestors agree?

Russia has nothing to do with it. She was not then, and we are talking about the crimes of the USSR.

Quote: Dude

You are not a Jew, forgive me, you are an ordinary mankurt - and such people have neither a clan nor a tribe.

It is strong.

[Dude]

. What truth? The USSR attacked Poland in collusion with Hitler. Here is the undeniable truth.

In your inflamed mind, of course. True, this has nothing to do with reality. But you do not care about reality?))

. Auschwitz has nothing to do with it and does not change the fact that the USSR, in collusion with Hitler, attacked Poland, thereby unleashing the Second World War.

Prof., do you all Slavic languages ​​and names cut the ear? Intolerant But at least you can’t name this camp, our fathers were killed there. Yes. And mine, and yours. Only I remember mine, and you mine - no. He said you are mankurt.

. Russia has nothing to do with it. She was not then, and we are talking about the crimes of the USSR.

Russia, as a state, has existed for more than 1000 years. Damn it, historical truth. About state crimes - this is to comrade Donald Trumpov, the other day he spoke indiscriminately.)))

. Quote: Dude
You are not a Jew, forgive me, you are an ordinary mankurt - and such people have neither a clan nor a tribe.

This is strong. wassat

Oleg, I'm sorry, but it is.

But, in general, it’s funny to watch how you spin, like in a frying pan when you beat you with facts

[Professor]

Quote: Dude

In your inflamed mind, of course. True, this has nothing to do with reality But you do not care about reality?))

The USSR attacked Poland in September 1939. This is an indisputable historical fact.

Quote: Dude

Prof., do you all Slavic languages ​​and names cut the ear? Intolerant Yes, even if you don’t call this camp, our fathers were killed there. Yes. And mine, and yours. Only I remember mine, and you mine - no. He said you are mankurt.

What I remember and that it’s not up to you to decide, but here’s what the USSR did to prevent killing in Auschwitz YOURS grandfathers? Why didn't you destroy this death machine? Never bombed why?

Quote: Dude

Russia, as a state, has existed for more than 1000 years. Damn it, historical truth. About state crimes - this is to comrade Donald Trumpov, the other day he spoke indiscriminately.)))

The Russian Federation was formed in 1990. You even have a public holiday. Forgot? You can’t not love your homeland like that !!!

Quote: Dude

. Quote: Dude
You are not a Jew, forgive me, you are an ordinary mankurt - and such people have neither a clan nor a tribe.

This is strong. wassat

Oleg, I'm sorry, but it is.

Well, I say "strong". Take a pie from the shelf.

Quote: Dude

But, in general, it’s funny to watch how you spin, like in a frying pan when you beat you with facts

I have been consistent all the years of being on this site, namely 8 years and have never been spinning, not spinning. I am not changing my shoes with another "change in the course of the party." You can check my comments. As for the "facts", you do not have them. Agitation and wishlist.

[Dude]

Well, dear Professor, you asked for it yourself Well then, get:

. The USSR attacked Poland in September 1939. This is an indisputable historical fact.

The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, represented by the Red Army, occupied empty territory, which no one and no control, on which there was no state regulation, Moreover, absolutely officially, the authorities previously acting on that territory gave explanations to the world community about the refusal of leadership and responsibility for this territory.
Could the Soviet Union do otherwise as it was? Of course no.
Israel, as a state, behaved in a less legitimate environment, much tougher. (What was, objectively, not bad.)

. What do I remember and what is not up to you to decide, but what did the USSR do to prevent YOUR grandfathers from being killed in Auschwitz? Why didn't you destroy this death machine? Never bombed why?

Oleg, I want to send you a curse. My grandmother's sister died in Auschwitz. Yes, when I wrote that my grandfathers died there, I had in mind precisely this. Damn, it's hard for me to hold back.

... I have been consistent all the years of being on this site, namely 8 years and have never been spinning, not spinning. I am not changing my shoes with another "change in the course of the party". You can check my comments. As for the "facts", you do not have them. Agitation and wishlist.
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When you have nothing to say, it's time to shake the "orders". Eight years. Strong. As they say, wisdom with experience does not come to everyone, alas.

[Professor]

Quote: Dude

The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, represented by the Red Army, occupied an empty territory that was not controlled by anyone and had no state regulation, moreover, the authorities officially explained to the world community that they had abandoned leadership and responsibility for this territory.
Could the Soviet Union do otherwise as it was? Of course no.
Israel, as a state, behaved in a less legitimate environment, much tougher. (What was, objectively, not bad.)

There was no "vacant territory". There was a territory of the state of Poland inhabited by citizens of Poland, with all the attributes of Polish statehood.

Quote: Dude

Oleg, I want to send you a curse. My grandmother's sister died in Auschwitz. Yes, when I wrote that my grandfathers died there, I had in mind precisely this. Damn, it's hard for me to hold back.

What did the USSR do to prevent your relatives from being killed in Auschwitz? Why didn't you destroy this death machine? Never bombed why?

Quote: Dude

When you have nothing to say, it's time to shake the "orders". Eight years. Strong. As they say, wisdom with experience does not come to everyone, alas.

I wrote about 8 years so you can go through my comments and make sure of my consistency.

[Dude]

. I wrote about 8 years so you can go through my comments and make sure of my consistency.

Oleg, believe me, I have not been here for a couple of years either, just the Chukchi was not a writer at first))) And the fact that you are consistent in the flows of fakes, lies, Russophobia and xenophobia of the lowest bash, although seasoned with dashing rhetoric, I’m fine I know.

Your insinuations about Auschwitz, excuse me, are just dirty, I have no other words.
We ask (since we are talking about Poland), but it seems to me that I was right in calling you mankurt. Although, no, I flattered you, it would be necessary to use a different definition, it is a pity that the robot on the site does not allow it.
Well, I was once again convinced that Edouard de Montaigne was right in his imperishable aphorism.
For this I say goodbye, I’ll go wash my hands.

[albert]

Quote: professor

The USSR attacked Poland in collusion with Hitler. Here is the undeniable truth.

On September 3, Hitler’s allies, England and France attacked their ally fascist Germany, violating the non-aggression pact between them. It was Britain and France that unleashed the Second World War. This is also true.

[figwam]

Quote: Dude

You are not a Jew, forgive me, you are an ordinary mankurt - and such people have neither a clan nor a tribe.

That's right ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: professor

No Russia attacked Poland. The USSR attacked Poland, and Russia was formed in 1991.

In the war against Poland, the troops of the RSFSR (formed in 1917), the USR and the BSR took part. The Peace Treaty of Riga was signed in March 1921. And the USSR was formed on December 30, 1922.

[Dude]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: professor

No Russia attacked Poland. The USSR attacked Poland, and Russia was formed in 1991.

In the war against Poland, the troops of the RSFSR (formed in 1917), the USR and the BSR took part. The Peace Treaty of Riga was signed in March 1921. And the USSR was formed on December 30, 1922.

Well done! History, infection, science is accurate, no matter what!

[smile]

Hello Professor.
Oleg,
Mr. Oleg, can you answer why you write nonsense about the Soviet attack on Poland?
I have few options to explain your position, can I state?
1. You are offended by the Nazis, because everyone knows that it was the Poles who were the most active Nazi allies then in Europe. Sorry, but in this case, I intentionally run into you, just like you run into us.
2. You are clearly a fan of Polish anti-Semites, because even you know (and even to me, a Vilnian grandmother, I told you) that the government of Poland in 34-39 that considers itself to be allies of Hitler Germany treated Jews not just badly, but almost as much as and the Nazis .... after all, comrade Jozef Beck and the guy our president mentioned are not only Russophobes. but also ardent anti-Semites, finished-both in the first and second positions ... and, Professor, I believe that Russophobe is the same. that anti-Semite ... they are usually both fascists .... or do you think otherwise? :))))
3. Yeah and yes - no Russia attacked Poland ... and the USSR did not attack Poland ... - It's just that when an aggressive country that seized too many foreign lands, including ours, is a toxic country, Hitler’s closest ally, which was noted aggression and occupation against our country, Czechoslovakia - collapsed - then our country took under the protection of the previously occupied territory of Poland, so that they did not go to Hitler.
Or do you, as a Jew, would like Hitler to get all the lands captured by Poland, including those that the Poles allied with the Nazis captured in the twenties? .. And what would have been local Jews?
If so, can you say why?
Why. a Jew now (not when people could not even know what absolutely European Germans would do to them) - now, knowing the past, he is trying to defend the right of quite anti-Semitic Poland, having seized foreign territories, to surrender them completely alien to all of the above-mentioned anti-Semitic Germany, but refuses while in the right to protect the population from all of the above? Or do you think that we should have left these territories to the Nazis only because you sympathize with them?
4. Mr. Professor. Do you seriously believe that:
- Under the Nazis, would the Russian people freed from the Poles be better?
- would Jews who were killed in the Polish territories occupied by good Germans be better than Jews who were able to live normally in the territories freed from Polish occupation?
5. Professor, you are a very smart person. You are very literate in a significant part of the issues of military and military equipment and, in general, at the platoon-company level raised here ....... plya ..... well, I ask you when you answer - either answer what you think or not answer nothing ....

6. professor. About six years ago, you posted a video of your guys here, who, not without their stitches, but justified by their age, beautifully shot from an intermediate machine gun of your sort .... maybe the machine gun is not worth it, I’m not sure about the caliber and weight of an analogue of the PKK, only with you with the box .... The guy worked beautifully ...
Damn, if you can, please put it out again, huh? :)))
Professor. you can not, figs with him, but, damn it, you need ..
So it goes... :))))

[Olgovich]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

It is true that in 1938, Polish troops occupied Zaolzie, but it is also true that on September 17, Russia attacked Poland ....

There Poland did not stink: this RUSSIAN land. And them defended from the occupation of the Germans.

Or are you ... for the occupation of Western Russia by the Germans ?!

[Michal Rakowski]

On September 17, Russia violated a treaty concluded in Riga. How much is a Russian word?

[Olgovich]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

On September 17, Russia violated a treaty concluded in Riga.

1. Poland attacked the RSFSR on January 1, 1919, violated the terms of the armies of 1919, 1920 and, taking advantage of the weakness of the country, occupied the land.

What are the jackals who take advantage of weakness, recognize the Curzon line and ... do not give a damn about .... their word?

2. RSfSR-NIKEM is not recognized. would you still with the Bahamas such an agreement was concluded.

you did not answer a simple question: you are for the occupation of Western Russia by Nazis in 1939

[Michal Rakowski]

Why does Russia conclude treaties, which it then violates? It was necessary not to sign the contract. What agreements is Russia going to violate? Russia cannot be trusted ...

[Olgovich]

Why did Poland flagrantly violate its word RECOGNIZE the internationally recognized Curzon line?

She RECOGNIZED her eastern border in 1945.
What is she yelling now? Don't remember his word?
Why did you conclude a contract?

[Michal Rakowski]

There is a saying in Poland: Russia never attacks, Russia comes to the rescue ...

[Olgovich]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

There is a saying in Poland: Russia never attacks, Russia comes for help

In the case of Poland, it was a mistake, yes ...

For 6 years WWII, the population of Poland decreased by 6 million people. It was necessary to release it 20 years later: not a single Pole would have been there ....

[Fitter65]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

There is a saying in Poland: Russia never attacks, Russia comes to the rescue ...

In the USSR there was a saying: Pole is not a nation, this is a profession, though not very ancient ....

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

In Poland there is a saying ...

More modest panov: I lived as a child in Poland, and then I worked. My father has a breakthrough of sayings about how to trust you - it is better to take care and double-check everything.

[mikh-korsakov]

The independence of Poland was recognized by the powers as winners of the Versailles Peace Treaty, which was signed in 1919. Prior to this, since November 1918 Poland had been a self-proclaimed power. The statute of the Versailles Treaty was based on the memorandum of then US President Wilson, which stated that Poland is an independent state. Its composition in the east includes lands with an overwhelmingly superior Polish population. Based on this position, the Curzon line was drawn. In 1919 -1920, Poland treacherously attacked the fragile Soviet republic and captured western Belarus, forcing to sign the Riga Treaty. According to the results of the Yalta and Potsdam conferences, the eastern border of Poland was established along the Curzon line with a retreat in favor of Poland by 6-8 km. Poland disagree? - Give Danzig and Breslau to begin with. and then claim the rest.

[Michal Rakowski]

In Poland, we have a different opinion - Russia treacherously, taking advantage of the weakness of Poland, made three sections ...

[Dude]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

In Poland, we have a different opinion - Russia treacherously, using the weakness of Poland, made three Section ...

... Then she said - get dressed?))
Do you even have breakfast, gentry, without mentioning Russia, can you?
I know not. Pulls you to us, anyway, but brothers))) Just a younger brother dissolute))

[mikh-korsakov]

Michal! They divided Poland into three: Prussia, Austria and Russia. I understand - Austria and Prussia are their Europeans - they simply did not allow Russia to capture Poznan and Krakow. Well - so be it. Now our move. At the beginning of the XVII century, Poland, taking advantage of the dynastic crisis in Russia, seized the impostor on the throne, and then occupied Moscow. Your move, maestro. But remember, I still have trump cards in my hands. By the way, I had a polka stick. How it all mixed up. But nothing - the owner ordered - we will renounce.

[ZAV69]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

In Poland, we have a different opinion - Russia treacherously, taking advantage of the weakness of Poland, made three sections ...

And we in Russia do not care about your opinion. Is it intelligible?

[Michal Rakowski]

This is not true. Russia is very attentive to what they say in Poland. Putin has spoken about this six times lately ...

[Local from the Volga]

and the plane with your fools drunk, Russia also dropped ...

[BAI]

Russia treacherously, taking advantage of the weakness of Poland, made three sections.

And what did Poland take advantage of by attacking Czechoslovakia? By the way, did the expression "hyena of Europe" appear out of the blue?

[GenNick]

Pan, Rakovski, let me intervene in your conversation. Tell me, how did Poland get the land 30 kilometers from Minsk, and why is Bialystok not in Belarus? But how did brother and sister find themselves on opposite sides of the borders? Remind me? Remind about Army Kraev?
As they say here, in Belarus, this brother is not for you at the time of the saints (Pilsudsky) in the Sentsa and hold on to the wring ...

[Albert1988]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

In Poland, we have a different opinion - Russia treacherously, taking advantage of the weakness of Poland, made three sections ...

But we must not live by our opinions - but by the facts, Poland, treacherously taking advantage of Russia's weakness, has torn away its historical territories / historical territories of its fraternal allied countries ...

[Dude]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

On September 17, Russia violated a treaty concluded in Riga. How much is a Russian word?

С by whom did Russia conclude this (Jesuit) treaty? When the Red Army entered the territory of former Poland, neither in fact, nor legally, of this state already did not exist. And this is a sad fact of Polish history, but, fact . Where was the head of state at that moment? Government? Command of the armed forces? First answer these questions, and then we can continue the discussion.

[Michal Rakowski]

September 17, Russia attacked Poland. Russian soldiers fought with the Polish army. Many Russians and Poles were killed. It was war and aggression because people were dying

[Same lech]

September 17, Russia attacked Poland.

What was that?
No way the new Hollywood series Russians are coming.

[Dude]

[quote =[/ i] Michał Rakowski] September 17, Russia attacked Poland. Russian soldiers fought with the Polish army. Many Russians and Poles were killed. It was a war and aggression because people were dying [/ quote]


Sorry, but you contradict [i] everything - history, logic, common sense. I asked you three specific, simple as an orange, issueWill you answer them?

No, of course, do not answer ...
True - it’s such, it’s sometimes uncomfortable
But, goof with her, with the war, you explain to me something else - why in [i] (modern Poland [/ I)], Russia does not leave the front pages of the press, TV screens, conversations in the kitchen? .. In Russia, they recall Poland, believe me, only on big holidays, and then, casual
And, I add, Poland is a beautiful land, and among the Poles, I honestly have a lot of friends.
But excrement like you stubbornly tries to drive a wedge between our peoples.
What for? Cui, as they say, prodets?
Certainly not the Poles.
Actually, Dixi.

[Local from the Volga]

The next time you are pushed again to swagger, just a glass rink will remain!

[Professor]

Quote: Dude

With whom did Russia conclude this (Jesuit) treaty? When the Red Army entered the territory of the former Poland, neither factually nor legally, this state no longer existed. And this is an unfortunate fact of Polish history, but, fact.

Not a fact, but your fantasies. Remember, the League of Nations abolished Poland? Or did the Polish Sejm announce the liquidation of the state? Poland was actually and legally, and it was Poland that attacked the USSR.

Quote: Dude

Where was the head of state at that moment? Government? Command of the armed forces? First answer these questions, and then we can continue the discussion.

It does not matter and is not a legal excuse for aggression.

[lucul]

Remember, the League of Nations abolished Poland?

Who is this League of Nations and where is it now? To decide the fate of countries.

Poland was actually and legally, and it was Poland that attacked the USSR.

For what purpose ? The goal should be, isn't it? Maybe the USSR had a goal to destroy Poland? No .

Quote: Dude
Where was the head of state at that moment? Government? Command of the armed forces? First answer these questions, and then we can continue the discussion.

It does not matter and is not a legal excuse for aggression.

And what guarantees were there then in 1939 that Poland could even exist as a state if Poland had not been 1919 years on the world map before 100, huh? After all, if history had taken a different path, we would never have seen Poland again. Perhaps Poland would not exist in the next 500 years - and that the government in exile would live these 500 years?
The USSR returned the territories of Western Belarus and Ukraine occupied by Poland in 1919. Otherwise, these lands would have ceded to Germany.

[Dude]

Quote: professor

Quote: Dude

With whom did Russia conclude this (Jesuit) treaty? When the Red Army entered the territory of the former Poland, neither factually nor legally, this state no longer existed. And this is an unfortunate fact of Polish history, but, fact.

Not a fact, but your fantasies. Remember, the League of Nations abolished Poland? Or did the Polish Sejm announce the liquidation of the state? Poland was actually and legally, and it was Poland that attacked the USSR.

Quote: Dude

Where was the head of state at that moment? Government? Command of the armed forces? First answer these questions, and then we can continue the discussion.

It does not matter and is not a legal excuse for aggression.

Not pharmacy, but facts. The League of Nations has discredited itself after Munich (I'm talking about a conspiracy), and subsequent history has clearly shown that this (I'm talking about the League of Nations) is like that. Believe me, appeals to her are not only insolvent, but simply ridiculous.

Further, according to yours, excuse me, your theses:
if all signs, symbols and the structure itself are removed from the territory of the former state State management, then, study the Law, this former state is recognized, and is insignificant.
I will not say anything about the government that abandoned its people.
Gaddafi and the former head of Iraq can be considered any kind of monsters, but they did not abandon their country, and did not run away from there.
Unlike Rydz-Smigly.

[Professor]

Quote: Dude

Not pharmacy, but facts. The League of Nations has discredited itself after Munich (I'm talking about a conspiracy), and subsequent history has clearly shown that this (I'm talking about the League of Nations) is like that. Believe me, appeals to her are not only insolvent, but simply ridiculous.

Nevertheless, it was in its jurisdiction and in the jurisdiction of the state itself whether it (the state) exists or not. No other state could do this for them. The fact that the scoop kicked out of the League of Nations does not change anything. The same thing is with the UN today. It is only in its jurisdiction to decide whether or not the state exists.

Quote: Dude

Further, according to yours, excuse me, your theses:
if all signs, symbols and the structure of government itself are removed from the territory of the former state, then study the Law, this former state is recognized, and is void.

In the territory Poland before the attack of the USSR there was no another state. Citizens remained citizens Poland, police, courts, prisons, banks, currency, universities, the army and other attributes of statehood were attributes of statehoodPoland and the USSR did not kill aliens, but citizens Poland. Shot 40 officers Poland. The Red Army crossed the SovietPolish border, joined the battle with Polish army and occupied Polish territory.

Quote: Dude

I will not say anything about the government that abandoned its people.

This is the business of Poland and its people and does not make the intervention legitimate.

Quote: Dude

Gaddafi and the former head of Iraq can be considered any kind of monsters, but they did not abandon their country, and did not run away from there.

At the time of the liquidation of Gaddafi who fled and hid in the sewers, or Saddam who also fled and hid in the basement, neither Libya nor Iraq ceased to be states.

[revnagan]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

How much is a Russian word?

And how much does the Polish word cost if the Poles REGULARLY violated the agreements signed with Russia? Beginning from the time of False Dmitry and Maria Mniszek, from the time of Catherine the Great to the 20th century.

[Michal Rakowski]

Over the past 500 years, Poland and Russia have fought 33 wars. Poland was an aggressor only once, when it was conquered by Moscow and the Kremlin ...

[JD1979]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

Over the past 500 years, Poland and Russia have fought 33 wars. Poland was an aggressor only once, when it was conquered by Moscow and the Kremlin ...

Come on, so miserable that I don’t even want to comment. You have chosen an ungrateful audience for yourself, the fan throws more and more towards you. Go to the Censor, there is just your audience, like, like, as they say.

[ssm]

Quote: JD1979

the fan throws more and more towards you. Go to the Censor, your audience is there

Those. Do you think that there are no decent people here?

[JD1979]

Quote: ssm

Those. Do you think that there are no decent people here?

It depends on what meaning you put into it. For the guardians of "from mozha to mozha" and "witnesses to the speech of the pospolita", the audience here is definitely extremely indecent.

[Dude]

After the words:

. Over the past 500 years, Poland and Russia have fought 33 wars

I realized that your posts should be carefully analyzed in both Sickles and Birdhouse Devil take me, what a texture! What a power!
Tell me, have you long escaped from Kozhyakova Street?

[BAI]

Poland was an aggressor only once, when it was conquered by Moscow and the Kremlin ...

Participation in the campaign of Napoleon (also, by the way, the Kremlin took) - a defensive mission?

[Albert1988]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

Over the past 500 years, Poland and Russia have fought 33 wars. Poland was an aggressor only once, when it was conquered by Moscow and the Kremlin ...

So that Moscow specifically conquered someone ... well, yes - a city of 30000 inhabitants can and can muster a decent army to conquer some small principality ... But for someone to be conquered by the Kremlin? This is something interesting and new)))) You at least put off your propaganda rhetoric a little, written in America)))) What "Chair" as a political concept in the 16th century?

And here's an interesting historical example for you. The Kosciuszko uprising. Warsaw Matins. The "heroic" Polish rebels showed such a degree of cruelty towards the Russian soldiers that even those who surrendered and did not want to fight were killed on the spot. In fact, the Russian garrison was making its way so fiercely to the exit from Warsaw, because the soldiers and officers understood that there would be no mercy and human treatment with them, they would simply be killed, spitting on all the laws of war. Naturally, when Suvorov came to Warsaw, he did not in any way prevent the soldiers of the Russian army from committing violence against the civilian population of the city, since the inhabitants themselves had already demonstrated that they were animals and that it was impossible to talk to them in a civilized manner ...
And then the Poles are outraged - Suvorov - a bloody executioner! apparently gentry pride interferes with looking at yourself?

[ssm]

Quote: revnagan

And how much does the Polish word cost if the Poles REGULARLY violated the agreements signed with Russia?

When.

Quote: Reagan

Starting from the time of False Dmitry and Mary Mnishek, from the time of Catherine the Great and ending with the 20th century.

Why are you lying?
By the way, all the so-called. "False Dmitry", this is the legitimate Tsar Dmitry Ivanovich. A little later the Romanovs called him a Cossack (I don't remember his last name) and killed him. His son, the young Tsarevich Ivan (the last of the Rurikovichs), was also killed.
And then they whimper in the basements in Tobolsk.

[Comrade Michael]

Our word is expensive, but we only agree with worthy people. Other contracts can be violated.

[Michal Rakowski]

Does anyone make Russians sign treaties? Why are you signing them?

[Svarog51]

Both parties sign it, otherwise the contract is not valid. Who forces the Polish side to sign?

[Albert1988]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

Does anyone make Russians sign treaties?

It forces, for example, in the year 21, Poland, pumped up with weapons, which first imposed a war on weak Russia, attacking its allies - Belarus and Ukraine, and, of course, defeated it, since there was still a civil war in Russia, imposed a treaty on Russia, rejecting the western regions of Belarus and Ukraine, which was a violation of the Curzon line ...

[figwam]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

Russia September 17 violated the agreement

Your state of Poland, due to collusion with Hitler, ceased to exist, and we returned our lands where the Belarusians and Ukrainians lived, our troops went strictly to the Curzon line and we did not occupy any Polish lands.

[Michal Rakowski]

Belarusians and Ukrainians are not Russian.

[figwam]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

Belarusians and Ukrainians are not Russian.

And which ones? Polish? Unlike you, these are Orthodox people of the Russian Empire.

[BAI]

And which ones? Polish?

Of course. To Smolensk inclusive. Everything is there - Poland.

[Svarog51]

Belarusians and Ukrainians are not Russian.

Who would argue. But definitely not Polish.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

On September 17, Russia violated a treaty concluded in Riga. How much is a Russian word?

No matter how much the Russian word is worth, it has always been more expensive than the Polish.
= The Council of People's Commissars of the RSFSR by its decree canceled the international treaties of the Russian Empire with Prussia and Austria. Among others, agreements regarding the sections of the Commonwealth were canceled. Thus, the Soviet government refused any claims to the territory of Poland and recognized its independence. However, the Polish authorities tried to restore the once existing empire and seized the western regions of Ukraine and Belarus. =
This is how the Poles, taking advantage of the weakness of the RSFSR at that time, "thanked" the Russians for the freedom given by the Russians to the Poles and the recognition of the Polish state as independent.

[Dude]

. How much is a Russian word?

A lot. Remember what Bismarck commanded
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[ssm]

Quote: Olgovich

this RUSSIAN land.

Have you ever seen the globe of Europe? Where are the Great Russians, and where did the Galicians with the Litvinians see?
These are not even neighboring nations. Between them Rusichs (Little Russians) still live.

[Albert1988]

Quote: ssm

Have you ever seen the globe of Europe? Where are the Great Russians, and where did the Galicians with the Litvinians see?
These are not even neighboring nations. Between them Rusichs (Little Russians) still live.

Ohhhh! All in a bunch! And the Great Russians, and Little Russians, and some Russians ... Again, complete illiteracy in ethnic issues ...

[Sergey79]

The USSR only returned what was rightfully .....

[RUSS]

Quote: Sergey79

The USSR only returned what was rightfully .....

By what right?

[Comrade Michael]

By the right of the winner.

[ssm]

Quote: Sergey79

The USSR only returned what was rightfully .....

The USSR in general was an illegitimate entity. What could belong to him there?

[Comrade Michael]

Poland is not legitimate. You must rightfully belong to Germany and Russia.

[Michal Rakowski]

Do not insult Poland. Russia is illegal, it belongs to the Mongols ...

[Svarog51]

Russia is illegal, it belongs to the Mongols ...

Well, the Mongols don’t even know about it. Short fur coats, lamb and horses were delivered to the Great Patriotic USSR, and much more. Russia must again ask for the Mongol yoke and, with them, still conquer Europe. Only not to us, not to them it is not necessary. That's sadness then.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

September 17, Russia attacked Poland ....

September 17, there was already no Poland. The Soviet Union, introduced troops into some already no man's land without a government and partially occupied by another state (Germany). Simply, they picked up what is bad. However, in 1945, after liberation, they gave more than they took, though at the expense of Germany, but a fact. It was necessary not to give.

[Michal Rakowski]

No, there were Polish CPC troops on the Polish-Russian border. Many Russians died in this aggression.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

No, there were Polish CPC troops on the Polish-Russian border

So what? Few where were whose troops. Another partition of Poland in 1939 was inevitable. It seems to me that they are again trying to step on the same rake. Only then did they flirt with the tiger in the person of Germany, and now they are flirting with the dragon in the person of the United States. It will not end well for Poland, as they say "you love honey, love and chill".

[Michal Rakowski]

Why should this end badly for Poland? Do you want to attack us? We are not going to go to Moscow in tanks ...

[Comrade Michael]

You can pack anywhere. And you would pack up. But your gut is thin. Militarily, you are now a third-rate power, and your voice in NATO is needed only to nudge your master, the United States. But under the wing of the owner, you hope to tidy up Belarus and Kaliningrad. Neither one nor the other shines for you. You are at the margins of history, you are no longer doing it, and your destiny is to forever discuss the traditions of ancient times .... Go on!)))

[JD1979]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

Why should this end badly for Poland?

Because it is necessary to learn history, they say it saves you from cones. As I understand it, the 3 sections of "hyenas of Europe" (Churchill) have not taught the proud, but brainless gentry anything? What did you share then? Divided from the fact that you simply zadolbali with your Wishlist applications for "world domination" of all your neighbors, who at that time were doing real-political in this region.
Now I look, everyone should be around you again. It may so happen that at first they will cleanse you of the stranger, and then they will look at someone, in the end, should remain. And if you think that your master will help you .... not so much, then he helped his "allies" before, but there was no talk about sixes at all, ask Georgia. And the messages from the White House, no longer menacing speeches, but the screams of a hysterical woman remind.

[Michal Rakowski]

I see that you know very little about Poland and the Poles. Please study from books, not from newspapers ...

[JD1979]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

I see that you know very little about Poland and the Poles. Please study from books, not from newspapers ...

I see that you know very little about the arts of psheks in Western Belarus, study from textbooks and archives and not from the yellow press and tales of great pshekia from mozh to mozh.
The desire to "forget" what happened leads to the fact that the rake can suddenly rise again.
And, suddenly, Bialystok do not want to return to their homeland?)))

[Svarog51]

Why not? Collections about Tomeka and Sat-Oka are very interesting. And "Four Tankmen and a Dog" is loved more in Russia than at home. Can you tell me why this is so with the film?

[hhhhhhh]

Why should this end badly for Poland?

re-read the story, for which they shared Poland. For the Hyena.

[andelc]

We are going to. And the partition of Poland is a tradition, the so-called Russian fun. And for the death of the Red Army in the camps, my great-grandchildren will also remember and take revenge. And any agreements with everyone outside the Curzon line are not worth the paper on which they are written. These are just Anglo-Saxon games. By we live according to the laws of our ancestors, who bequeathed to soak the psheks of Catholics in the toilet for the betrayal of faith.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

Do you want to attack us?

No, but you are urging. You are begging right. True in our time, tank wedges are no longer so relevant. You can simply bomb in the Stone Age, place more American bases at your place.

[ssm]

Quote: orionvitt

The next division of Poland in 1939 was inevitable.

Did you join the opinion of Hitler and Dzhugashvili?
By the way, Dzhugashvilya, full of tears and snot, 30.07.1941/30.07.1941/XNUMX, all that was seized from Poland was returned to her (the Maisky-Sikorsky Agreement of XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX). Otherwise, the Anglo-Saxons refused to take it under their roof. And without this, he had a guaranteed caput.

[Comrade Michael]

Stalin was our great leader, and the Poles were and will be small, vicious enemies trying to grab us with their teeth by the foot ...

[Michal Rakowski]

You ran away from our soldiers many times, losing your pants ...

[Svarog51]

All your Polish Army was dressed in pants made in my city. Russia also provided weapons and ammunition. France keeps one of the Yak-3s in the museum, which was donated to the Normandie-Niemen as a sign of friendship. By the way, they were also formed in our city. If you are interested, you can name my place of residence.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

No, there were Polish CPC troops on the Polish-Russian border. Many Russians died in this aggression.

Those. you-for the occupation of Lviv by the Nazis?

[ssm]

Quote: Olgovich

.e. you-for the occupation of Lviv by the Nazis?

For non-interference of the USSR in WW2. In which he lost 42 million people or 20% of his pre-war population.
This is what the pre-war ambitions of Dzhugashvili cost the population of the USSR.

[hhhhhhh]

The West fed Hitler, and Stalin was to blame.
Is it time for Poland’s regional power not to interfere in the affairs of the Great Powers. Poland is too small.

[Dude]

Quote: ssm

Quote: Olgovich

.e. you-for the occupation of Lviv by the Nazis?

For non-interference of the USSR in WW2. In which he lost 42 million people or 20% of his pre-war population.
This is what the pre-war ambitions of Dzhugashvili cost the population of the USSR.

We before Kuibyshev (Samara) had to not intervene? Or to Sverdlovsk? Al to Tobolsk already then?
God forgive me, and with what kind of wind such fabulous (s) brings here ?!

[ssm]

Quote: Dude

We before Kuibyshev (Samara) had to not intervene? Or to Sverdlovsk? Al to Tobolsk already then?

You did not have to rock the line from Stalin. And sit on the pope quietly and evenly.
But no, they pushed forward with bulging eyes, grabbing hands. "Seized the moment."
As a result, in less than 4 years, minus 42 million people or 20% of the pre-war population of the USSR.
Here it is "the great sagacity of the great Sralin."
By the way, and on what front did you fight?
Not on what?
And where is "us" here then? Russia did not participate in WW2.
You are just an ordinary impostor. Windbag.

Quote: Dude

God forgive me, and with what kind of wind such fabulous (s) brings here ?!

But I can’t understand how fabulous you live.

[Dude]

As a result, in less than 4 years, minus 42 million people or 20% of the pre-war population of the USSR.

My dearest! What are you, really, trifles! Measure in billions, millions, now, not in trend)))
PS In truth, I’ll tell you, half of them the bloody Dzhugashvilli personally killed!
And ate.
PPS Note, I did not write Stalin, otherwise I’m afraid you would have a fierce explosion (you yourself know what) would have turned out)))
From this name alone.

[figwam]

The Polish occupiers oppressed the Ukrainians and Belarusians, in September 1939 peasant uprisings began, followed by reprisals against the Polish panes and only the arrival of the Red Army brought peace.

[ssm]

Quote: figvam

Polish occupiers oppressed Ukrainians and Belarusians

There were neither Belarusians nor Ukrainians.
There lived Rusyns (Galicians) and Litvins (different).

Quote: figvam

in September 1939, peasant uprisings began,

This one is completely out of sorts. He no longer pour.

[figwam]

Quote: ssm

There were neither Belarusians nor Ukrainians.

At least you read Wikipedia.

- The line basically corresponds to the ethnographic principle: to the west of it there were lands with a predominance of the Polish population, to the east - territories with a predominance of non-Polish (Lithuanian, Belarusian, Ukrainian) people.

Quote: ssm

This one is completely out of sorts. He no longer pour.

Read at least something in your life!
"... When on September 17 in the villages they heard on the radio the news about the liberation campaign of the Red Army in Western Belarus, former members of the KPZB, Komsomol members, revolutionary peasant activists went to Skidel. I came to Skidel that day. We met at Moisei Light's apartment. underground workers Boris Olekh, Mikhail Litvin and others. We decided to prepare flags, organize the people to solemnly meet the Red Army. A shout came from the street: “They are beating the police!” We ran out of the apartment and headed to the square. There, it turns out, Joseph Lapitsky and Mikhail Soroka They took the carbine away from the policeman Elk. Someone threw a cry: “Disarm the police!” The crowd quickly increased and noisy in the square. member of the uprising Georgy Shagun. [20]

On September 18, the Polish authorities threw large forces to suppress the uprising. A train of soldiers and police was sent from Bridges, but the rebels managed to dismantle the rails in the vicinity of Skidel and force the military to surrender. Also trucks arriving from the Lakes with Polish soldiers were ambushed. Thus, the first attempt by the authorities to quickly suppress the uprising failed.

On September 19, a squadron of Polish lancers was sent from Skrodel to Grodno with the support of the infantry. With the support of a local Polish asset, the city was taken. Soldiers randomly threw grenades and almost completely burnt residential buildings in the city center. 31 rebels were brutally executed, 70 people were arrested and awaiting execution. Punishers tortured captive rebels, cut red stars on their chests, gouged out their eyes, and cut off their ears.

"During the suppression of the uprising, the punishers brutally killed 29 partisans, and the very fact of the murder was accompanied by unprecedented bullying, in particular: the partisans gouged out their eyes, opened the veins, pulled out tongues, broke limbs, chopped into small pieces, for example, one of the the leaders of the uprising, Komsomol member Pochimok Lazar, and others. During the brutal reprisal against the partisan Kotok (tore out his tongue, gouged out his eyes and chopped it in parts), under threat of death, the punishers forced the latter's wife to witness this reprisal. forced her to kiss, declaring: "Kiss the Jews, the communists, the Polish land, she will never be yours." They beat her on the head with a weapon and stomped on her with their feet. The houses in which the rebels lived were poured with kerosene and set on fire, they also threw grenades in the direction of windows and doors, - reported on the results of the preliminary investigation on June 200, 14 to the first secretary of the CP (b) B Central Committee P. Ponomarenko Deputy Prosecutor of the BSSR Gintsburg. [1940]

During the reconstruction of events, the Belarusian historian Nikolai Malishevsky reported about 26 shot rebels, about a hundred were mutilated and beaten, about 200 were awaiting reprisal. [3] The punitive was stopped by a flying detachment of the Red Army - two armored cars and two tanks under the command of Captain Chernyavsky.

"In the morning of September 19, a motorized group was formed from the tank battalions of the 100th and 2nd rifle divisions and the armored company of the reconnaissance battalion of the 2nd division under the command of brigade commander Rozanov ... At 7 o'clock on September 20, she was assigned the task of advancing on Grodno. In this punitive raid, the motorcycle group at Skidel faced a Polish detachment (about 200 people), which suppressed the anti-Polish uprising of the local population. Hoping to stop the tanks, the Poles set fire to the bridge, but the Soviet tank crews directed the vehicles through the fire and managed to slip across the burning bridge, which collapsed after the passage of the tanks, to the other side of the Skidel River, "- said in the Red Army report. [17]

On the night of September 20, units of the Red Army approached Skidel, preventing further reprisal. The Polish military and gendarmes surrendered.
News of the Skidel Uprising quickly spread around the area, which led to a panic among the Polish administration and the gendarmerie, which massively left their posts for fear of reprisal. In addition, the most combat-ready units of the Polish army were drawn to Skidel, which contributed to the occupation by the Red Army units of approaches to Grodno by the evening of September 19, 1939.

15 active participants in the suppression of the Skidel Uprising were arrested by the NKVD and executed in October 1939.

Surviving rebels took part in the establishment of Soviet power and the Great Patriotic War.

[ssm]

What a long nonsense.

[figwam]

Quote: ssm

What a long nonsense.

Only you are talking nonsense.

[BAI]

Many Russians died in this aggression.

As the chief of the General Staff of the Polish Army, Vaclav Stachevich, wrote, the Polish units were "disoriented by the Bolsheviks' behavior, because they basically avoided firing, and their commanders claimed that they had come to the aid of Poland against the Germans. For the most part, Soviet soldiers do not shoot, they treat ours with demonstrative sympathy, share cigarettes, etc., repeat everywhere that they are going to help Poland ”[42].

Wherein:
1.

Based on the political instructions of Ribbentrop, Keitel formulated the task to Canaris: "You, Canaris, must organize an uprising with the help of Ukrainian organizations working with you and having the same goals, namely Poles and Jews." Ribbentrop, specifying the forms of rebellion, specifically pointed out on the need to destroy the Poles and the Jews. By “Ukrainian organizations” was meant the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists [13] [14]. The result of these instructions is the so-called “Canaris Memorandum of September 12, 1939”, presented in the materials of the Nuremberg Tribunal as document 3047-ps.

2.

local same Ukrainian, Belorussian and Jewish population mainly assisted parts of the Red Army, in a number of places creating armed units operating against the Polish authorities.

God forgive me for quoting from WIKI, but the obvious things have to be repeated.

[ssm]

Quote: orionvitt

September 17, there was already no Poland.

You're lying.

Quote: orionvitt

The Soviet Union, sent troops to some already no man's land without a government

You're lying.
The Commander-in-Chief of the Polish Army Rydz-Smigly in the evening of September 17 issued an order by radio to read as follows:

The tips have invaded. I order the withdrawal to Romania and Hungary by the shortest routes. We shall not conduct combat operations with the Soviets, only if they try to disarm our units. The task for Warsaw and Modlin, which must defend themselves against the Germans, is unchanged. The units to which the Soviets approached should negotiate with them with a view to leaving the garrisons in Romania or Hungary. ... Parts of the CPC and parts that covered the “Romanian platform” - continue to resist

[Operator]

Like - brave sunflowers, lie down with bones, and I, your commander in chief, am leaving for the waters in Romania.

But the joke is different: the Reedz-Smigly order meant self-capitulation of the Polish army with its withdrawal abroad for further internment. And a country without an army cannot be considered a state, which was to be proved. The USSR was occupied by no man's land, previously occupied by Poland.

The remaining litter country Poland lay on its back, spread its legs and received satisfaction from Germany.

[Dude]

. . And a country without an army cannot be considered a state, which was to be proved. The USSR was occupied by no man's land, previously occupied by Poland.

The remaining litter country Poland lay on its back, spread its legs and received satisfaction from Germany.
Reply

Rude, but right!

[revnagan]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

it is true that in 1938 Polish troops occupied Zaolzie

This is not true, but half-truth, which, as you know, is worse than a lie. And the truth is, Poland, together with Nazi Germany, attacked Czechoslovakia and occupied part of its territory. On September 17, 1939, the Soviet Union sent troops into the territories that were still recognized as Soviet in 1920, but which Poland treacherously captured. The USSR did not attack POLAND, but simply regained its own, according to the Law. But you certainly would prefer that the Germans enter instead of the USSR, they are Europeans, closer to you in spirit, and Czechoslovakia you robbed with them ...

[Michal Rakowski]

Then why did Russia sign the treaty in Riga, recognizing that these are Polish territories?

[Gardamir]

Mr. Rakovski, everything suited Poland in 1945, what are you looking for now? And why do not you want to discuss the issue of Poland’s conspiracy with Nazi Germany and a joint attack on independent Czechoslovakia?

[Michal Rakowski]

You can talk about aggression against Czechoslovakia in 1938 and 1968, I'm not afraid of the truth ...

[andelc]

After the assassination of the Red Army, she unilaterally withdrew from the treaty; have you not been taught at school?

[revnagan]

And why did Poland long before signing the treaties with Russia, recognizing itself as a part of Russia, and then treacherously tearing up these treaties? And how many times did Poland do this before Russia broke off the force imposed and unprofitable treaty on her once?

[ssm]

Quote: revnagan

On September 17, 1939, the USSR introduced troops into the territories that were recognized as Soviet back in 1920, but which Poland treacherously captured.

He didn’t send troops, but attacked Poland.
"Treacherously captured" in the form of reparations under the Riga Treaty after the unsuccessful attack on it by the RSFSR during the "Polish campaign" of Tukhachevsky.
Soviet stubbornly deny even obvious facts.
What can we say about those cases when everything is not so obvious? In these cases, they generally lie in the most arrogant way.
Amazing creatures. Although in appearance and humanoid.

[Comrade Michael]

These historical discussions will bring you to the present war. With the current bitterness against Poland that you provoked, do you need to explain to you what will happen to you?

[Michal Rakowski]

Do you want to attack Poland again?

[Comrade Michael]

Do you want that. Your behavior is victimized. Apparently your whole nation has masochistic inclinations ... I am against discussing historical topics with the Poles. Let the Poles tinker with this, and Russia must create the future without stopping.

[andelc]

No, peacefully by partition under some trick agreement with the FRG, we will take our own: Hill and Przemysl, they are their lands. And the most interesting thing is that everything will be legal and recognized by the international community, give time

[ssm]

Quote: Comrade Mikhail

These historical discussions will bring you to the present war.

Not at all. The Soviets are incapable of waging war (as, indeed, of productive labor, which is why they traditionally live in poverty).
Their destiny is a malicious hiss from the corners. So the Internet arrived in time to help them. Very comfortably.
And war is a craft. Specialty. Therefore, this is not about the Soviet.

[Comrade Michael]

In general, we value you far below the Anglo-Saxons, Germans, Chinese and Russians. You don’t enter and never will enter the elite club.))) Alas, despite the fact that you got corrupted and imagined that you have no place at the common table ...)

[Tamparu]

Soviet are incapable of waging war

Who would say, Dear ...

[revnagan]

Quote: ssm

Their destiny is a malicious hiss from the corners.

Oh, who would talk about the evil hiss ...

[Uncle Izya]

What would you say the USSR entered upon the Belarusian lands when there was no government in Warsaw and part of Lithuania you did not occupy Yakub Vilno?
By manner, you look like Yakub that Solovyov has a frequent guest

[75 Sergey]

In general, they reached their borders, and the situation had to be saved, the troops were not brought in at the same time, and Poland had a chance to shrug off the Germans, but couldn’t, they had to take the initiative into their own hands.
So do not distort.

[smile]

Yeah, it's true, Poland is the first country on the planet to conclude a non-aggression pact with Hitler Germany .... back in 34, yeah, and it was she who torn the Czech Republic along with Hitler - do you agree with that?)
Or will you cross the navel from the Czechs whom the Nazis and Poles occupied?
And yes, on September 17, the USSR crossed the border of Hitler’s most active ally - Poland, which had already been marked by the seizure of Russian lands.
Pilsudski and his followers did not hide the fact that if the Poles did not have Ukrainian slaves, then there would be no Greater Poland.
our troops crossed the border of the country. whose government was masterfully deftly, as always, escaped even before the Germans managed to destroy its army. Somewhere on September 14th - they were already in Romania then, which Hitler was dissatisfied with.
.aga, and we sent troops to the Russian territories occupied by the Poles only on the 17th day ... when even the enti wretched allies of Hitler left the territory they controlled, .... here we are, fucking, invaders ... :)))) Our people defended against Hitler, because if we hadn’t done it, these territories would have passed under the Nazi control .. Yeah, it would have become closer to us ......
And shaw, we did it in vain,?
Or are you a supporter of the father of Hitler?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Olgovich

Enough to ignore and not notice! The truth-uterus poke these bastards!

This had to be done for a long time, and poking constantly, without ceasing.

[Same lech]

Yes, here we need not only a decree, but a whole package of laws aimed at banning the Polish political elite from discussing the results of the Second World War ...
After all, it is visible with the naked eye that the Poles need to distort the history of WWII in such a way that it is possible to bill Russia as the heiress of the USSR ... hehe heh, this is a crook ... here are scammers of historical lies.
No, the Poles will definitely run into a tough response and it’s time for the Poles themselves to bill for the fact that the Red Army saved Poland from the complete extermination of Nazi Germany by the Nazis ... and helped to restore the destroyed economy of Poland after the Second World War ... we must work ahead of schedule and calculate in advance invoice Poland with running interest until 2020 ... put them in the year of the Rat ... hehe heh dead rat.

[ssm]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

and it’s just right for us to bill ourselves to the Poles for the fact that the Red Army saved Poland from the complete extermination of Nazi Germany by the Nazis

1. And what, for some reason did the Nazis exterminate the Poles during 2mV?
2. Who is "us"? Russia did not participate in WW2.

Quote: The same LYOKHA

moreover, it helped to restore the destroyed economy of Poland after the Second World War ...

Not Poland, but "socialist Poland." Poland regained its independence only in 1990.

[Same lech]

2. Who is "us"? Russia did not participate in WW2.

Russia yes ... the USSR participated ... and Russia is the successor of the USSR ... with all recognized rights and obligations.
For Russia paid off the debts of the USSR ... few people prefer to talk about this.
And the Nazis crushed the Poles well in Warsaw ...
Poland did not regain its independence ... it smoothly passed from the hands of the USSR into the hands of the USA ... hehe girl with low social responsibility.

[Grits]

Quote: Olgovich

The Duma has long had time to adopt a decree on the start date of WWII on October 1, 1938, when, together with Germany and Hungary, Poland tore Czechoslovakia to pieces

Indeed, if we consider the beginning of WW2 on September 1, 1939, when Germany attacked Poland, then Poland seems to automatically become a victim. And if October 1, 1938, then a very good such aggressor. True, before that, Spain was blazing, and the Japanese genocide Asians. Yes, and about Khalkhin Gol with Hasanam we remember.

[ssm]

Quote: Gritsa

if we consider the beginning of WWII on September 2, 1, when Germany attacked Poland, then Poland seems to automatically become a victim. And if October 1939, 1, then a very good such aggressor.

Actually, the tribunal in Nuremberg set the start date for WW2 unambiguously, September 01.09.1939, XNUMX. Public denial of the findings of this trebunal, as you do, is a criminal offense in the Russian Federation.

Quote: Gritsa

Yes, and about Khalkhin Gol with Hasanam we remember.

And what do you remember? As the USSR squeezed the hill from Manchurian, and the Chinese (and then Manchurian) so-called Mongolia?

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: ssm

In fact, the Nuremberg tribunal set a start date for 2MB Odin

Tell me, dear, what is said in the final documents of the Nuremberg Tribunal about the causes of the Second World War and its instigators? Is there also the USSR equated with Nazi Germany?

[ssm]

Quote: stalkerwalker

Tell me, dear, what is said in the final documents of the Nuremberg Tribunal about the causes of the Second World War and its instigators?

Are you blind? Or do you have internet only for VO?

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: ssm

Are you blind? AND

No need to be rude, Monya ....
You are as smart as the whole volume of the Talmud. Or can you flood Tokma? By which time do you register for VO? And every time you are taken out of here in pursuit of skulls ....

[Grits]

Quote: ssm

And what do you remember? As the USSR squeezed the hill from Manchurian, and the Chinese (and then Manchurian) so-called Mongolia?

We remember that as a result of the war on these hills, the USSR protected the people of Mongolia from enslavement and genocide. But the Japanese made it clear that jokes are bad with us. What the Japanese remembered throughout the Second World War

[Professor]

Quote: Olgovich

The Duma has long had time to pass a resolution on the start date of WWII on October 1, 1938, when, together with Germany and Hungary, Poland tore Czechoslovakia to pieces.

And she also needs to adopt a decree that the Earth is flat and the Sun rotates around the Earth.

[Olgovich]

Quote: professor

Quote: Olgovich

The Duma has long had time to pass a resolution on the start date of WWII on October 1, 1938, when, together with Germany and Hungary, Poland tore Czechoslovakia to pieces.

She also needs to make a decision that Earth is flat and the sun is spinning around the Earth.

so it is already Israel accepted. Forgot?

[Walking]

falcons Oleg change nickname you do not pull on the professor

[hydrox]

Yes, that would make sense, but only with one emphasis :: Germany attacked the USSR ONLY THEN when it put under its control the ENTIRE ECONOMY of Europe, encouraging all European countries to release weapons for the Wehrmacht, which are only concerns :: Swedish SKF, Czech Tatra , Hungarian RABA, Dutch PHILIPS, Finnish Vauhti ...

[Alex Justice]

Yesterday, in a dock movie on the SBS channel, I found out that 600 French people enjoyed working for Hitler. Goebels even praised them, they said they work 20 percent better than the Germans.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Alexander Alekseev_2

And ours didn’t work there, didn’t fight in the ROA?

Can you please tell me at least one battle in which the ROA participated? And ours did not work there, they were driven away by force, as slaves, unlike the same French or Chekhov. If you call it "work," then I'm sorry.

[figwam]

Quote: ssm

The Soviet "home front workers" were slaves. Whose "work schedule" and feeding were worse than those of the prisoners of Nazi concentration camps.

What a smelly troll ...

[figwam]

Quote: ssm

Look at yourself

All the home front workers had a day off, and you are a liar.

[figwam]

Quote: ssm

We worked 12 hours a day, seven days a week. And often spent the night in factories too.

You know too little boy, now the same enterprises operate around the clock and shift for 12 hours, there was one day off in wartime, and we spent the night in factories because during the evacuation they were built in the field and there was nowhere for people to live.

[Xenofont]

The Germans hijacked my uncle, a 2-meter-old, healthy man of 15 years old, to work from Ukraine. When they left home, he was not standing on his feet, he was not visible behind the shaft of the broom. The Pole saved him when he wandered home on foot: he fed and demanded nothing in return.

[revnagan]

Quote: Alexander Alekseev_2

And ours didn’t work there, didn’t fight in the ROA?

YOURS worked and fought. But how many of them were there, YOURS something.

[The leader of the Redskins]

In fact, many historians are inclined to believe that the Second World War began in 1936, when the Spanish Civil War broke out, but many other countries were drawn into it directly or indirectly.

[Xenofont]

Our sleepy historians from among the "courtiers" are in no hurry to catch up with Putin's trend (sorry for the expression ...), because they are published in the West exposing the "horrors of Sovietism" and "the triumph of world democracy in the post-Soviet period ..." And here is the risk to be not handshakeable, because the "West" is united in anti-Russian rhetoric more than ever!

[Terenin]

Gap pattern at the poles. For a long time it was necessary to declassify documents and publish about all the countries of the collective West, who were with the Nazis, killed people with them, who reported and served in the Gestapo. We have these documents. And may they have a cultural shock. And then we are accustomed to indulging in a rather rude way to poke the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact ... and the hands themselves have blood elbows ...

[ssm]

Quote: Olgovich

The State Duma has long had time to adopt the Resolution on the start date of WWII -1 October 1938

Any decision can be accepted. But to whom in the world will it be interesting?
To listen to your opinion, this must be reinforced with something. But Russia has nothing to reinforce its Wishlist.

[Comrade Michael]

Russia is the only country independent of the United States, and we have nothing to back up the Wishlist? ))) And what is Poland? jumps from one owner to another, wags its tail, growls ... Always on a leash and in a collar.

[JD1979]

Quote: ssm

To listen to your opinion, this must be reinforced with something. But Russia has nothing to reinforce its Wishlist.

And Poland can reinforce how, just like that, everyone was blown up and ran to pay her restitution. ChSV land your. If Russia starts to confirm its opinion, many will have to look for the fifth corner.

[Julius Caesar]

In fact, WWII began with Marco Polo on July 7, 1937.

[cost]

Poland is going to ban RUSSIA !!! It’s impossible to even comment on it without laughing.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Rich

Poland is going to ban RUSSIA !!!

It was necessary to forbid Stalin to liberate Poland, and the like.

[mikh-korsakov]

Alexey. The President of Poland was especially touched by Putin's statement about the statements of the Polish ambassador eighty years ago. He was offended and even refused to participate in a joint event in Israel for the liberation of Auschwitz. That is, like the fact that even after that I won't sit at the same table with Putin. At the same time, realizing that the refusal to participate in an event concerning Poland is an image loss for Poland. Why did it happen? Or maybe not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. Maybe President Duda is himself an "anti-Semitic pig" too?

[hydrox]

If we approach the problem in terms of the similarity of the generational change process, then yes, young people are split into “right” and “left”, and the further, the more noticeable it is.
If in the Union in 1954 hundreds of thousands of OUN members, Bandera and other fascist shortcomings were released from the camps, today the SS torchlight processions are naturally becoming natural, and in countries that have immediately fallen from prosperity into poverty. ...

[apro]

Quote: Victor_B

Something, somehow it became even scary!

Why be afraid? the posits of Poland and Russia are close ... the bloody bodybuilders began the war. The Moscow treaty of 1939 was criminal. In Katyn, the Poles personally shot IVStalin from LPBeria for a couple. Bolsheviks spread rot both Russian and Polish peoples. ALL ...

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

the bloody bodysheviks started the war. The 1939 Moscow treaty was criminal. In Katyn, the Poles personally shot IVStalin from LPBeria for a couple. Bolsheviks spread rot both Russian and Polish peoples. ALL ...

Both on! And this one there!
Where did you come from, ignoramus! The poor man!

[apro]

Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi

Where did you come from, ignoramus! The poor man!

That is, the President of Russia deputies of the State Minister of Government ignoramus? This song is pouring from TV and you are not tasteful? Strange ...

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi

Both on! And this one there!
Where did you come from, ignoramus! The poor man!

Where from? He watches TV, reads Russian newspapers.
2010 year. The guarantor said during a press conference that the shooting in Katyn was "Joseph Stalin's personal revenge for the defeat in the Soviet-Polish war."
On November 26, 2010, the Russian State Duma adopted a statement “On the Katyn tragedy and its victims,” which acknowledges that the mass shooting of Polish citizens in Katyn was carried out according to the direct instructions of Stalin and other Soviet leaders and is a crime of the Stalin regime.
What's wrong? Or do you not believe in our government's "exposure" of the "crimes of the communist regime"?
If the Russian authorities "by the recognition of the Katyn shootings" opened Pandora's box to revise the results of the Nuremberg trial, which directly states and proves who is responsible for the shooting in Katyn and the verdict of the tribunal is final and not subject to revision, is it not including the "recognition" of the Russian authorities? ultimately led to the resolution of the European Parliament that the key event of the Second World War is the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, so the Nazi regime of Germany and the communist regime of the USSR can be equated and considered as the reason for the outbreak of war throughout Europe?
So what did you want from Poland? They act in the spirit of this very resolution of the European Parliament. By the way, for more than 30 years our "reformers" have been trying to integrate into the "single family" of European nations, while at the same time fighting their Soviet past by pouring slops on it.
Do you build in? Now we collect together this anti-Soviet boomerang from these same slops.
Do not spit in the well, it’s useful to drink water. This Russian proverb must be remembered by all those who are trying to rewrite history, especially their own country.

[GKS 2111]

Poland intends to ban Russia
Ban Poland.
"A sneaky country that wants to grab something for free. That the West is not fed enough, Poland picks up. There are no countries in the world that adore Poland. In fact, the essence of the meanness of the Polish nation lies not only in genetic rot, but also in the historical political situation." W. Churchill.

[Victor_B]

Quote: GKS 2111

"A sneaky country that wants to grab something for free. That the West is not fed enough, Poland picks up. There are no countries in the world that adore Poland. In fact, the essence of the meanness of the Polish nation lies not only in genetic rot, but also in the historical political situation." W. Churchill.

If this is a real quote from Churchill, then he is HEAD!

[novel66]

but you can’t put a finger in his mouth

[Victor_B]

Quote: novel xnumx

but you can’t put a finger in his mouth

Well, maybe just like Dunce skeleton in the film.

[novel66]

well now yes ...

[Terenin]

Quote: novel xnumx

but you can’t put a finger in his mouth

You can, if you knock out your teeth ...
Roma, welcome

[novel66]

Gene, hi, this quote was, if anything
"Well, what to talk about ... Snowden is the head! Listen, Valiadis," he turned to the third old man in Panama. "What do you say about Snowden?"

“I’ll tell you frankly,” answered the Panama, “don’t put a finger in Snowden’s mouth.” I personally would not put my finger down. "

[Alexander Alekseev_2]

Are the arrogant Saxons guys?

[Valery Valery]

Poland intends to ban Russia "to interpret history in its own way"

And this is only the first step .... Now we need to ban the summer, rain and breeding of birds ...

[Victor_B]

Quote: Valery Valery

And this is only the first step .... Now we need to ban the summer, rain and breeding of birds ...

And certainly oblige Russia to buy their rotten democratic apples!

[common man]

Quote: Valery Valery

And this is only the first step .... Now we need to ban the summer, rain and breeding of birds ...

The next step will be to reverse Newton's laws. "Polish apples cannot fall to the ground and rot. These are the machinations of the Russians."

[Michal Rakowski]

It's a lie. This is a bill on the adoption by various parties of a single position regarding the hypocrisy of history on the part of Russia. No one in Russia prohibits preaching their interpretation; this would be ridiculous and impossible.

[Comrade Michael]

And we also have a common position. You are an enemy country and a provocateur. This must be taken into account. You are weak, but come with hatred against us for your weakness and weakness. There are also very brave Poles, but in general are enemies and weaklings. So why do we need your opinion? Your moves forward must be calculated based on the freedom that your new owner gives you, but no more.

[Michal Rakowski]

Russia



Poland:

[Comrade Michael]

Cheap propaganda. We live normally and the average Russian is 30 points smarter and bolder than a Pole. Your page will not play any role except provocative in world politics.

[Michal Rakowski]

I don’t know if cheap propaganda films were made by Russians. Are you Russian, are you smart? Please do not joke. You work in the villas and yachts of your oligarchs, in Poland we would throw them out of the country if they robbed us. if you were wise, you would not have poverty and crisis. Come to Poland, you will see how wise people live ...

[BAI]

According to expert polonist Stanislav Stremidlovsky, the much-loud and anti-Russian statement of Kidava-Blonskaya is largely pre-election character. The thing is that this politician claims to participate in the presidential election in Poland, which will be held in May this year.

President of the Russian Association for Baltic Studies (RAPI) Nikolai Mezhevich believes that Poland recently "decided to cheat on everyone: not only Germans and Lithuanians, but also Russians."
Mezhevich also noted that the Poles at the ideological level cannot cope not only with the Russian approach to assessing historical events, but also with the German one. “Until recently, alternative points of view were neatly present in Polish scientific discussions. Today it’s not. They cannot admit that the Polish government made a number of mistakes in 1939. Russians can make mistakes, Germans can, and Poles cannot make mistakes. Hence the desire to ban everything at the legislative level ”- the political scientist explained.

According to him, for the modern Pole, the denial of a certain set of values ​​is a thought crime.

“To say that Moscow had its own reasons in 1939 is the same as deleting oneself from society, fleeing from work, from the church, from local self-government. This is worse than stealing money and not coming to Sunday Mass, ”the source added.

“But now they want to make a thought crime criminally punishable, which testifies to the loss of democratic institutions in Poland. And given the modern means of communication and monitoring, we will soon see censorship of this magnitude, against which censorship of socialist Poland will seem like a kindergarten. This is what awaits ordinary citizens and Polish opposition politicians if this bill is adopted, ”concluded Mezhevich.

No need to get Russia into their internal squabbles.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Victor_B

Something, somehow it became even scary!
What if they show us a "goat"?
Or (just horror, horror !!!) - "butt"!

These nonsense does not even take into account the fact that whatever they accept there, this will not change the story and the participation of the Poles in WWII, as it was meager (at the beginning of the war), will remain so.

[svp67]

The Polish authorities intend to prohibit Russia from "interpreting history from its own point of view" and "altering the history of World War II."

Yeah ... you can't refuse panamas in conceit. As in that joke; "Pan, do you suffer from manias and phobias? No, I get pleasure from them" It's time for our Duma to urgently adopt the law "On the prohibition of Poland, something to prohibit Russia" in 24 hours

[alex-s]

Better law to ban Polsha!

[Slavutich]

These are the "impermissibility" - and brought Poland to collapse, history repeats itself?

[cniza]

Yeah, let's go dancing on the rake.

[Mavrikiy]

Poland intends to ban Russia "to interpret history in its own way"

Diet, law, appeal to the EU and ..... sanctions, a ban on the use of improper gas in the EU? Absurd.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Poland intends to ban Russia "to interpret history in its own way"

Diet, law, appeal to the EU and ..... sanctions, a ban on the use of improper gas in the EU? Absurd.

Most likely they will block the export of their apples to Russia. And they will forbid Yakub Koreyba to pamper us with his stupidity.

[K-50]

Poland intends to ban Russia "to interpret history in its own way"

That is to say the Truth !!!

[cniza]

And somewhere, where is it, or are you embarrassed to call a training manual?

[Alexander Alekseev_2]

Look at the Novaya Gazeta website, unfortunately I did not remember the title of the article.

[Xenofont]

It's all the same, what to look in the nearest garbage bin! Link to archival documents, pliiiiz!

[Xenofont]

Once again, for the dull ones: link to the document! And on "YOU", please ...

[Alexander Alekseev_2]

I do not know much about the smartphone, but if it does not bother you, then read this document please there.

[Comrade Michael]

You are on the side of the enemies. Why do we need your arguments?

[Comrade Michael]

Are you for the Poles? I got it?

[apro]

Quote: K-50

That is to say the Truth !!!

And which one do not tell me?

[K-50]

Quote: apro

And which one do not tell me?

Of course HISTORICAL.
Justified and supported by the then documents, periodicals of the media.

[apro]

Quote: K-50

then documents

And do you know that the Bolsheviks ruled then? And did they pursue a pro-Soviet policy? AND THE GOALS WERE SOVIET. And today the capitalist anti-Soviet state has its own goals. And my own view of history ... I don’t know how to put it together ... ..

[K-50]

Quote: apro

Do you know that the Bolsheviks ruled then?

What difference does it make to you who was at the "helm of the country"?
Homeland, it is one, regardless of the political system.
The Poles accuse us of fomenting war, which contradicts ALL historical documents.
They want to prohibit "voicing" the historical TRUTH !!!
So what difference does anyone in the USSR / Russia rule?

[apro]

Quote: K-50

what difference does anyone in the USSR / Russia rule?

Enormous ... today Russia is not the USSR. Then the Soviets had the goal of securing the country. Liberating their people. Today Russia has the goal of loot under the threat of oil and gas transit. And there’s nothing to hurt here and they’re raising a tantrum. Different nitres ... from the USSR with Poland for some reason there were no questions. But when the Russians left everything and got out of eastern Europe, they began to arise? why so? and what difference does anyone in power have? maybe there is a difference ...

[K-50]

Quote: apro

Quote: K-50

what difference does anyone in the USSR / Russia rule?

Enormous ... today Russia is not the USSR. Then the Soviets had the goal of securing the country. Liberating their people. Today Russia has the goal of loot under the threat of oil and gas transit. And there’s nothing to hurt here and they’re raising a tantrum. Different nitres ... from the USSR with Poland for some reason there were no questions. But when the Russians left everything and got out of eastern Europe, they began to arise? why so? and what difference does anyone in power have? maybe there is a difference ...

Again!!!
Poles want to change the HISTORICAL TRUTH !!!! To show themselves "white and fluffy", although since their "liberation" from the Russian Empire they have pursued an anti-Russian policy, which continues to this day.
Their campaign was ashamed of their brown past (the color of fascism) and they want to whitewash, hide their predatory essence ("biting off" the Vilna region from Lithuania, the seizure of the Cieszyn region from Czechoslovakia, and before that the capture of part of Western Ukraine and Western Belarus), and for unleashing WWII to shift to the "shoulders" of Russia !!!. The President did not allow them, pointing out historical documents and materials from archives !!!
The argument is over. Bye.

[maidan.izrailovich]

Panov fermented apples ate?
Or from their Anglo-Saxon owners infected with this disease?
Absolutely fear lost. The nuclear power is going to ban something there.

[cniza]

They have already forbidden themselves to think.

[user1212]

That's interesting, but will they also ban writing about the participation of Poles in the Holocaust? We get two mutually exclusive prohibitions. Prohibition of denial and prohibition of mention ...

[Blanket]

Hello arrived)
For a long time: "1 MAR 2018, 00:22
Polish Holocaust and UPA Crime Denial Act enters into force
The law introduces criminal liability for the public dissemination of ideas about the guilt of the Polish people or the state or their complicity in crimes committed by the Third Reich "https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/4996976

[Aliken]

Nazi henchmen rushed about. It is necessary to publish more often historical documents that turn the vile essence of the Poles inside out, to remind them of cases of betrayal of his "army". With the appropriate comments like "pigs", let them go to shit, and not pay attention to their convulsive twitching.

[Alexander Alekseev_2]

So they fought with the Germans, but the Red Army hit them in the back, of course for their own purposes. But in the Red Army there were also Polish units ... And the winners write history, as you know. The interrogation of Emelyan Pugachev, Kolchak and others is still not open to us, because a completely different story may be floating and not quite pleasant ...

[user1212]

Quote: Alexander Alekseev_2

So they fought with the Germans

On September 17, the government had already taken off and the entire Polish army suddenly turned into a group of partisan detachments in the territory uncontrolled by official authorities

Quote: Alexander Alekseev_2

and the Red Army hit them in the back

Give a story of at least one battle of the Red Army with the Polish army in 1939. Where and when did it take place, the number of parties, the number of dead? And most importantly, explain how the Polish army ended up east of the Curzon line, on the territory of western Ukraine and Belarus?

[user1212]

So what "stab in the back" do you mean? We were friends with Poland? Allies? No, Poland was an enemy state that seized, using the civil war, part of our territories. It was these territories that were returned

[user1212]

Again. Where did you see "stab in the back" there? Is it a stab in the back to take away YOUR land from a hostile neighbor?

Quote: Alexander Alekseev_2

The battles for Grodno, more partisan battles with the operational "Polesie", which fought for Brest, Slonim with the Germans, minor skirmishes with the border gendarmerie.

Was the army fighting? And to whom did this army submit if the entire top leadership escaped on September 17th? Who is the supreme commander? Who declared war on the USSR? As of September 17, there was no longer either an army or a Polish state

[Prisoner]

Prohibition first grow trifle pot-bellied.

[parusnik]

... It’s a pity that our Duma doesn’t deal with such bills ... If it was the Lenin’s mausoleum, they didn’t cover the plywood on May 9 ... Some strange thing happens when people remember the parade on November 7, 1941, they don’t close the plywood with the mausoleum , observe historical reality, and on May 9 a different historical reality .... I guess Poland and others will reach out, and Russia will express concern ... And then, Russia will be put on a par with Nazi Germany ... and will become an aggressor ... revision of WWII results ... In short, we played out in our country with a revision of history .. So we will remain without history ...

[cniza]

Polish authorities intend to ban Russia

You’ll be amusing, it’s as if the course of your story will change ...

[tihonmarine]

The Polish authorities intend to prohibit Russia from "interpreting history from its own point of view" and "altering the history of World War II."

I have written more than once and received a huge number of minuses, but I am writing now and will write more. How many times Russia and the USSR "dragged chestnuts out of the fire," how many times they stepped on a rake. There was no need to liberate this "civilized Europe" in 1945, from which one cannot wait for a kind word, only one stench. Can anyone say thank you? Here is another stench from Poland, which was saved from Hitler, and for which about a million of our soldiers died, and how many for the liberation of Europe. And my answer was "It was necessary to destroy fascism." So what is more important than the life of our people, or the destruction of fascism?

[maidan.izrailovich]

I have written more than once and received a huge number of minuses, but I am writing now and will write more ....
... There was no need to liberate this "civilized Europe" in 1945 ...

Yes, that's why they minus you because the main goal was not the liberation of "civil Europe", and finish off the fascist beast. Do not let him lick his wounds and go to us again.
I hope you rethink this information.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

Yes, that's why they minus you because the main goal was not the liberation of "civil Europe", but to finish off the fascist beast.

I'm not surprised at anything that they are minus. Here you are, "Finish off the fascist beast", others "Free the brothers", the third "Free the world from ISIS". This may all be good, but it is all Russian human lives, Russian blood. I personally do not want our Russian children to die for someone's freedom !!!!

[Comrade Michael]

You will not die for anyone, calm down ... You will die from a terrible sore on the couch. This is much more honorable and more fun ...)))

[maidan.izrailovich]

Here you are, "Finish off the fascist beast", others "Free the brothers", the third "Free the world from ISIS". ... it's all Russian human lives, Russian blood ...

You dumped everything in a heap. Honey, shit and bees.
That generation could not just end the war before reaching Berlin. And do not destroy fascism.
Namesake, apparently it does not reach you?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

Namesake, apparently it does not reach you?

It does not reach the point that our people are dying for someone, and will never reach. Old I think differently.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: tihonmarine

There was no need to liberate this "civilized Europe" in 1945,

We are not liberating Europe. We walked to the Reichstag.

[Alex Justice]

We are not liberating Europe. We walked to the Reichstag.

And along the way, the communist regimes imposed.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Alex Justice

And along the way, the communist regimes imposed.

Not communist "regimes", but the socialist system.
In addition, whenever possible, they tried not to destroy the liberated cities. For example, Krakow saved the grateful Poles with the blood of our soldiers.

[Comrade Michael]

And they did it right. Why? Yes, because they could afford it ...)))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Comrade Mikhail

And they did it right. Why? Yes, because they could afford it ..

And for what ? What happened from this we see how the monuments to our soldiers who fell, liberating at least this Poland are being demolished. So I'm asking. "Why did our soldiers die for this?" Why did my grandfather's brother die about Krakow?

[maidan.izrailovich]

And along the way, the communist regimes imposed.

Take off the pink glasses. In this world, everyone, as far as possible and capable, is planting something.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Alex Justice

And along the way, the communist regimes imposed.

What do you want us to impose anti-communist regimes?

[HAM]

Recently I suggested that the Poles will not calm down to remake history for themselves until they go crazy .... It looks like the process has begun .... Soon Minin and Pozharsky will be declared terrorists who disproportionately used force against the "peaceful" Polish occupiers ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: HAM

It looks like the process has begun .... Soon Minin and Pozharsky will be declared terrorists who disproportionately used force against the "peaceful" Polish occupiers ...

It seems that you are right here. Ivan Susanin has long been declared an enemy of Poland.

[Kleber]

More delusional law and hard to come up with. Or is it they, we are pure neighing? )))

[Michal Rakowski]

I see that Russians are easily fooled, there is no such account, this is a lie. If true, please show this tweet.

[Ros 56]

You, clown, were born probably thanks to the Wehrmacht? Well you Poles dolbyotyatly.

[Comrade Michael]

No wonder we consider you stupid, arrogant and envious ....

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

I see that Russians are easy to fool

I also think so, it was not necessary to free you from Hitler.

[BAI]

I see that Russians are easy to fool

Well right - Russians are the lowest race, subhuman. Somewhere I already heard it. If not mistaken, A. Hitler. No wonder that in Poland there were proposals to erect a monument to him. Complete unanimity.

[jonht]

Poles, something they can .... And most importantly, FORBIDDEN ....
Let for a start Bandera in 404 be banned, ducks .....

[Karen]

Quote: jonht

Let for a start Bandera in 404 be banned, ducks .....

So one common enemy they have (you), why can't they find a common ground? :)

[jonht]

I'm not talking about points, I'm talking about prohibitions ....
Deny us the very same, two not only big differences, but huge ....
Although let them try, since there are no brains, let them live by reflexes.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: jonht

Let the Bandera party be banned in 404,

The European Union will not.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Sankyulot

urgently need to raise the degree of patriotism!

Against the background of an urgently rising degree of Russophobia, why not?

[Vasyan1971]

Urgently lower the degree, for you begin to rave ...

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

According to the Russian leader, the Polish diplomat in the 1930s supported Adolf Hitler and his idea of ​​sending Polish Jews to Africa "for extinction and destruction" and promised to erect a monument to Hitler in Warsaw for this.

This is what other such "words" ???
This is a historical fact. History cannot be changed, however much the Poles would like to.
Psheki, they are!

[Sansculotte]

Because the Russian national leader also stated that the Soviet Union sent troops to Poland because of its collapse, although under the Ribbentrop Molotov pact, which was signed on August 23, 1939, when Poland was still in perfect order, Western Ukraine and Western Belarus ...Poland .. And the USSR entered the troops there in accordance with the agreements, the President of the Russian Federation publicly lied, substituting Russia.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Learn history and you will be happy.
I am not going to give you lectures on why and why JV Stalin did just that, and not otherwise!
If you do not like the story, as a chain of events in a certain period of time, then these are your problems, not stories.
Facts are stubborn things!

[Comrade Michael]

We dislike you, more than Germans and Anglo-Saxons .... Why should we raise a degree of hatred?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi

This is what other such "words" ???
This is a historical fact.

Let them honor the Evian Conference of 1938, then they will understand.

[BAI]

They will ban Putin from entering the country and impose other sanctions on him. Scary, already terrible. But what if the truth hurts my eyes? In Poland, 98% of Jews were exterminated. With the active help of the local population. By the way, in Belarus, Ukraine and the Baltic states there was the same picture.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: BAI

With the active help of the local population. By the way, in Belarus, Ukraine and the Baltic states there was the same picture.

I realized that all Jews were killed with the assistance of the local population. But I don’t completely agree, for in the territory of Belarus there were 3 Ukrainian and 8 Baltic (3 Lithuanian, 4 Latvian and 1 Estonian) security police battalions.

[Vasyan1971]

According to the Russian leader ...

Only according to the words, or is there documentary evidence?

[Jarserge]

Yes, it’s clear now who is learning Ukrainian May Downs. What are the facts that we told us the archives so correctly ....

[ML-334]

I suggest publishing archival documents on the Internet, even on this site it will add spice to

[Ros 56]

Guess the Poles, Russia may generally forbid Poles. What are our legislators watching?

[askort154]

Blame Stalin and Putin.
Stalin for creating a state that made the world bipolar.
Putin for the fact that in 2007 at the Munich conference, loudly to the whole world, he allowed himself the "audacity" to declare that the "unipolar world" is unacceptable in the 21st century.
After that, the Anglo-Saxons began to poison all their dogs on "Putin's" Russia.
In the role of the most rabid dog in Europe, Poland was appointed. And after Putin personally expressed his point of view on the role of Poland in the Great Patriotic War, and said that he was preparing his article on this on the basis of genuine archival materials for the 75th anniversary, the Poles "lost their thread." They rushed to work ahead of the curve in the media. This tactic has long been practiced by the West. To create a powerful false background, against which - the TRUTH, will look like a fake for those who do not know the story.

[askort154]

askort154 Around "to blame" Stalin and Putin.

I hope this is clearer now. Or without "quotes" they did not truncate the meaning of my comment, without reading the entire text to the end.

[rocket757]

Verbal battles have been, are and will always be.
Any contracts were violated and will always be violated.
Now, as before, the RIGHT OF THE STRONG is in priority.
No balance exists in human society ... also, the person strives to upset the natural balance completely.
Hard times will come if humanity succeeds in its desire to destroy everything around itself.

[prior]

All historical documents written not in Polish are a vile lie.
The proud Polish noblemen said.

[The Siberian barber]

Forgot about the initiative, the reckoning of False Dmitry as a holy martyr

[swyatoslav]

Judging by the political trend in Europe, the Poles will soon be proud that they started the war together with the Nazis. They will have to adopt a new law: "On urgent measures to assert the leading role of Poland at the beginning of World War II, together with the fraternal Nazi regime of Germany."
And at the same meeting of the Polish Sejm, in the secret section: "What else should Uncle Sam lick so that he would agree to fight our brothers by blood - the Eastern Slavs?"

[kartalovkolya]

Still, our "not quite friend" U was right. Churchill, who called Poland "the hyena of Europe", its current authorities confirm this with every step they take! I don't remember which of the greats said that if the Lord wants to punish someone, then he deprives him of his reason. The shortcomings began to shake, and now they are waiting and are very afraid that Vladimir Putin will still reveal to the world about the role of these ---- in WWII ...

[Jarserge]

According to the latest data, the Polish state decided not only to Russia at all, but to all who dare to forbid "interpret the story in their own way." Do they even understand what they are doing? Or is it a step of despair?

[Wild cat]

Poland’s persecution of their politicians and rulers already three times brought to sections and complete disappearance from political maps. They don’t learn anything, they can only lick a boot, be it France or England, now the states are excited to lick the fifth point. And the good never remembered and do not remember.

[Gardamir]

Putin's anti-Soviet policies are bearing fruit.

[Operator]

It is urgent to introduce information into the Russian school textbooks on the Nazi / fascist nature of the political regimes that ruled Poland, Hungary, Romania, Finland, Bulgaria, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia in 1930-40, as well as the rulers of France, Holland, Belgium, Denmark, Norway , Czech Republic, Slovakia, Croatia and Albania - since the occupation by the Germans.

Add information about mass anti-Semitism in the society of these countries plus Ukraine in the person of Bandera.

[Zaurbek]

There is little to ban. We must write books, make films, teach children .... and we have problems with this.

[iouris]

Old as the world of truth: 1) woe to the vanquished, 2) the victors interpret the story. Old Russian problems: 1) who is to blame? 2) what to do?

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

It is true that in 1938, Polish troops occupied Zaolzie, but it is also true that on September 17, Russia attacked Poland ....

Having rejected Western Ukraine in 1918, Poland received the decision of the League of Nations to say goodbye to the territory "along the Curzon line." Actually acting as an ally of Hitler. she does not need to create the illusion that she will be considered a victim. She got exactly what she deserved. And, if she does nasty things now, then her future misfortunes are ahead.

[Comrade Michael]

Is Poland getting ready for the next section?

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

While politicians of all countries will be studying history, and historians will be studying politics, there will be no boredom.

[Kostadinov]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

It is true that in 1938, Polish troops occupied Zaolzie, but it is also true that on September 17, Russia attacked Poland ....

In other words, Poland attacked Czechoslovakia in 1938, just as it attacked Ukraine and Belorussia in 1920 and occupied part of the territory of these countries until 1939. And the USSR in 1939 (Russia did not beat in 1939) liberated the occupation of Ukrainian and Belorussian territories.

[Osya Bender]

Poles are eternal freeloaders and provocateurs in Europe. Honor Napoleon, who could not forgive himself for his march to Moscow "thanks" to the persuasion of the Polish elite, who, along with his army, came to plunder Russia.
1945 year. My uncle from the Voronezh village, which was under occupation and was completely burned down, and people lived in dugouts, was drafted into the army. He guarded the military echelons, and then the echelons going to Poland. With tears, he recalled how in his native village people did not receive cards and ate quinoa, and the trains with food went to the Polish "brothers".

[comradChe]

From the point of view of the geopolitical chess game, this is a good move from Poland. Putin is trying to attract Israel to his "allies", through him the American Jewish lobby and through him "please" Trump. The Poles, having passed the law, taking into account the traditional Russophobia and anti-Semitism of Europe, will push through it through the European Parliament and the CSCE and will begin to bend us, taking advantage of the venality and desire of a bed in the "vulva of civilized peoples." its sides will be directly opposite, which remains not unnoticed on the other side of the board. CONCLUSION: Opposite the fug-fug are not opponents, but ALLIES (i.e. partners who did not understand). And not a chess board between them, or rather, yes, a board ....... of a lamber table, and the players are not grandmasters, but a sharpie. And the losers have already been identified on the gangway of these partners ... Guess who it is?

[1536]

It’s time, oh, how it’s time, and we need to review the entire history of the XNUMXth century, the role of individual states, blocs and these individual states in these blocks. To do this, you need to do a simple thing - give an ideological order from the government to develop such a concept of history and consolidate it at the legislative level. This concept should be included in all textbooks and teaching aids on history and social studies from kindergarten to universities. We live in Russia and we have no other country.

[hhhhhhh]

Poles, before opening their mouths on the USSR, return Germany a third of their territory and pay compensation to the Germans for Polish robberies after 1945.
Also pay for the liberation and restoration of Poland. You can take on this next debt from the EU. All the same, your children will pay for today's well-being of Poland.

[ssm]

Quote: hhhhhhh

Poles, before you open your mouth to the USSR, return Germany a third of its territory

You don’t know the story at all.
30.07.1941/1939/XNUMX, the USSR returned to Poland everything that was seized from it in XNUMX (the Maisky-Sikorsky Agreement).
And in 1945, he received all this back by EXCHANGE into German territories, which departed to him as reparations. Those. Poland didn’t take anything from Germany, it took the USSR.

Quote: hhhhhhh

Also pay for the liberation and restoration of Poland.

1. The USSR did not liberate Poland. She herself achieved cohabitation in 1990.
2. The USSR helped to restore "socialist Poland" (Poland). Poland and Poland are different states.

[hhhhhhh]

The change of sucking from the USSR to sucking from the USA and the EU is not liberation. Listen to the truth from your minister. The USSR did not bring you to its knees and did not force you to suck. Although, everyone has their own ideas about freedom.
Do not be offended when Poland is once again divided. This has happened many times in history. The Poles never learn.
You are funny people.)))) They will invent a story for themselves, and then they believe in it sacredly.)))))

[Incvizitor]

Maybe even now our "elites" will start crushing this hyena of Europe with sanctions?

[Usher]

Quote: ssm

Quote: mark1

In connection with the loss of statehood by Poland, Russia did not violate anything.

1. Russia in 1039 was not. It was the USSR.
2. What other loss of statehood? Poland in 1939 did not lose any statehood. There was only a temporary occupation of its territory.

LOL, the State of Poland did not exist at the time of the entry of the troops of the USSR, what fled to London is not legitimate, because it refused to defend its state, i.e. automatically lost power status.

[GenNick]

Quote: orionvitt

Quote: Alexander Alekseev_2

And ours didn’t work there, didn’t fight in the ROA?

Can you please tell me at least one battle in which the ROA participated? And ours did not work there, they were driven away by force, as slaves, unlike the same French or Chekhov. If you call it "work," then I'm sorry.

Our in the ROA was not there were traitors and scum.
OURS were there slaves, working at enterprises for 10-12 hours, and then at baura .. And I know this not from books, but from the stories of mother and grandfather. And even if the Allies deceived them, it was ours, the Soviet people and all (who survived) returned to their Homeland.

[eagle owl]

Yes forbid:

[123456789]

History is not a teacher, but a supervisor: she does not teach anything, but only punishes for ignorance of lessons

Vasily Osipovich Klyuchevsky (1841-1911) - Russian historian.

[123456789]

The first deputy of the Federation Council Committee on International Affairs, Vladimir Dzhabarov, responded to the Vice-Speaker of the Polish Sejm, Malgorzata Kidawa-Błońska, to the words that the authorities of this country are going to legally prohibit the “Russian interpretation of history.” The website of the TV channel “360” reports this.
“History will not change because of this. The law cannot change its course. There are archival materials, including captured ones, that the Soviet Union received as a result of the Second World War. Everything is clearly spelled out there, what role each country played,” Dzhabarov noted.
According to him, only those countries that “buttered Hitler” before it began are trying to accuse Russia of an incorrect interpretation of history and, in particular, the events of the Second World War.

[Operator]

Quote: ssm

lost 42 million people

Lying is bad:
- potentially 34,5 million, including the fall in the birth rate;
- actually 27 million, including 12 million military and 15 million civilians

[bratchanin3]

I think that Russia should shine the light on archival documents on an ongoing basis and comment on them, not just once, but many times.

[BAI]

How many years have Poland and Rus'-Russia-USSR-RF existed, for so many years they have been at enmity. This is already genetic and cannot be treated with anything. It must be recognized as a historical fact that there is enmity between cats and dogs.

[Operator]

Quote: figvam

15 active participants in the suppression of the Skidel Uprising were arrested by the NKVD and executed in October 1939.

It was precisely for such a punitive policy of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in the temporarily occupied territories of Ukraine and Belarus in the period from 1920 to 1939 that the NKVD of the USSR shot the employees of the Polish punitive, occupation and propaganda bodies.

It is high time to demolish the monument to Polish punitive forces in Katyn and write the truth in Russian history textbooks.

[Michal Rakowski]

Are you getting paid, are you doing it for free?

[eagle owl]

And one more thing... I, you see, am Ukrainian. And I love the Poles genetically too. I don't suffer from multiple sclerosis. Darnitsa:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Авианалёт_на_Дарницу
Even there. Darnitsa. who doesn’t know - she’s calling near Kiev

[hhhhhhh]

History also loves mystical coincidences. When the last king of the first Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Stanislaw August Poniatowski, died (in February 1798), he was buried in St. Petersburg (where he spent the last years of his life), in the Catholic Church of St. Catherine of Alexandria. In 1938, Stalin allowed the then Polish government to take the remains of the king home. Poniatowski was buried a second time on the family estate near Brest. After the Great Patriotic War, he again found himself on Soviet territory. In 1988, Gorbachev again allowed the Poles to take Stanislav August to their place. He was buried for the third time, already in Warsaw, which for a whole century was the capital of the Kingdom of Poland within the Russian Empire.
More details at https://aurora.network/articles/153-geopolitika/75488-pol-sha-uroki-razdelov

[PValery53]

"Poland intends to prohibit Russia from 'interpreting history in its own way'"
- The Poles have a very small “prohibition” to do such dangerous “things”. The recoil may not be bearable...

[ODERVIT]

There are lost people on the southern borders, and now on the western ones too. However, Western ones have always had that...

[GenNick]

Quote: Tiksi-3

Quote: Olgovich

even if the “professor” is not Copenhagen,

what kind of professor is he?....he is an ordinary troll when it comes to the circumcised, but otherwise he is the same PROFESSOR as I am Putin. I wrote to him that the circumcised fought on the side of the Wehrmacht and that there was our concentration camp, where Germans, Romanians and Jews who swore allegiance to the Fuhrer were kept. And there are not 10-15 people there, but a regiment. He even wrote where this concentration camp was, invited him to come and take a look, but he asks for a divine link from me, this is the same as I would ask him for a link to specialists from the Mossad!

But let's be objective - was there a Jewish partisan detachment? Was!!!

[GenNick]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: BAI

With the active help of the local population. By the way, in Belarus, Ukraine and the Baltic states there was the same picture.

I realized that all Jews were killed with the assistance of the local population. But I don’t completely agree, for in the territory of Belarus there were 3 Ukrainian and 8 Baltic (3 Lithuanian, 4 Latvian and 1 Estonian) security police battalions.

Off topic... Once my mother showed me two birch trees to which palitsai were tied by the legs...

[2ez]

How society has shaken up!!! On the one hand, and on the other! Do you even remember the reason? The Russian President called the Polish ambassador of 1938 “a bastard and an anti-Semitic pig.” And the controversy began immediately about the whole story. Moreover, this debate reminds me very much of kindergarten! Remember: “Petya, why didn’t you finish the compote? - A... A.. A... And Vova stuck a piece of bread in the bed!” And away we go!
The ambassador of independent Poland in 1938 said that they would erect a magnificent monument in Warsaw if Hitler sent the Jews to Madagascar. It was so? Was!!! And no one denies it! So who is he then? Means what? This means that the whole idea must be defamed! The USSR is a bastard!!! And let's go...
To all defenders of THOSE Polish politicians - so who wanted to send the Jews to Madagascar? And who wanted to erect a monument? And then what did they do with the Polish Jews?

[Okolotochny]

But something else is interesting to me - there is always an OR on the site - we are not defending our history, at the same time, Russophobic comments are quietly posted, especially from Jews who fled from the BHSS. How is this one? We say one thing, and immediately on the website the Russophobes Professors and Atalefs openly laugh at us and throw mud at us. Why then raise topics? Calmly, we are collecting money from advertisers, including from Israel. By the way, I advise the Professor to shut up, otherwise let him explain the status of Jerusalem and the Golan.

[Zusul]

Quote: Michał Rakowski

Poland has existed for 1000 years and will exist. Can you Russians understand that? Is it too hard for you?

Do not flatter yourself. If anything has existed for 1000 years, it is only the territory where a strange tribe lives, ready to sell itself to anyone and everyone who throws a fatter piece.
But, apparently, soon the smell of fried food will smell again and this misunderstanding will cease to exist

[gsev]

When they try to resolve a scientific issue using administrative methods, it is like an admission of being wrong and not being able to convince opponents that they are right. It seems that Putin's remarks have brought Polish society to a standstill. Although even on this site there were important statements from Israeli representatives, without which the picture painted by Putin does not look complete. It seems that the Poles cannot reconcile that the statements of the times of Kozyrev, Gaidar and Yavlinsky did not find understanding in Russian society and it was not possible to instill an inferiority complex in Russians.

[sen]

They are silent, but it also happened - the Poles fought on Hitler’s side.
There was a Polish TV series "Bet Greater Than Life" in Soviet times. So there the Polish fascists walked around in uniforms specially created for them.

[nikvic46]

Poland’s hostility to everything Russian began when there was no trace of the USSR. It developed on the basis that its military desires did not coincide with its capabilities. Envy of strong states in the west and east only gave rise to evil rhetoric. It’s already in the Poles’ blood.

[Tolik_74]

Yeah, but the ban on pshshekaf has increased??

[kubkaz13]

Now the Poles are trying to portray themselves as “victims” who were attacked by the USSR and Germany, but in fact they are Nazi criminals, just like the Germans who took part in the attack on the USSR. Most Poles fought with the Wehrmacht, not against it. It is not for nothing that Hitler built the most terrible camps for the extermination of Jews, Russians, and gypsies on Polish territory.

[kubkaz13]

Documents from the archives of the RF Ministry of Defense. Attention to column 3.