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Secretive "cracker" missile defense based on the Su-57. Project announced by the Russian Aerospace Forces

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Undoubtedly, the recently announced by the Deputy Head of the Russian Ministry of Defense Aleksey Krivoruchko the timing of the arrival of the first mass-produced multi-role Su-57 “first stage” fighter planes (equipped with AL-41F1 / “Product 117” turbofan aircraft) to the combat units of the Russian Air Force allowed for more than one thousand Russian to breathe with relief observers and experts, previously seriously alarmed by information about the malfunction of the electrical control system or the mechanization of the tail unit of one of the pre-production copies of the Su- 57, which led to the car entering a flat corkscrew and subsequent crash in the vicinity of Komsomolsk-on-Amur.

Apparently, in this situation we were talking only about the consequences of ordinary “childhood diseases” of a computerized emf or the plumage mechanization units of the Su-57, which can be eliminated as soon as possible either by a slight update of the software of the remote control system, or by eliminating malfunctions in tail control mechanisms.

The most compelling argument in favor of this conclusion is the unexpected conclusion of a contract between the defense department of Algeria and Rosoboronexport for the supply of the Algerian Air Force with 14 multipurpose promising aviation complexes of the Su-57E export modification. It is logical to assume that the conclusion of such a significant deal could take place only after the Algerian side had been provided not only with exhaustive information about the reasons for the loss of the prototype Su-57 "first stage", but also with a number of guarantees that would exclude the occurrence of this kind of emergency situations with fighters to be delivered to combat units of the Algerian Air Force in the foreseeable future.

Prospects of becoming "on the wing" ligament Su-57 - "Dagger"


In the wake of the general delight caused by the information on the arrival of the first serial Su-57s to the Russian Air Force in the first half of 2020, as well as on the appearance of the first reliable foreign customer-operator in the face of the Algerian Air Force, particular relevance in expert circles and the military-analytical sector of the blogosphere raised the question of the appropriateness of the planned integration of advanced Kh-57M47 “Dagger” aeroballistic missiles into the ammunition of Su-2 combat missiles, which was announced at the end of December 2019 by a senior representative of the Russian Aerospace Forces during the report to the head of state, Vladimir Putin. As one would expect, information about the upcoming conversion of serial Su-57s into Dagger carriers was met with an extremely mixed reaction from an audience of eminent Russian military-technical publications.

In particular, most observers of the notorious Russian portal “Military Parity” were very skeptical of this news, having come to the conclusion that, despite the open architecture of the avionics avionics base of the Su-57 fighters, which provides the possibility of fast software and hardware adaptation of the SUV of these aircraft to the use of most types of advanced missile weapons, the most suitable carriers for long-range X-47M2 aeroballistic missiles will continue remain modified MiG-31K interceptors, which received a package of hardware and software updates and a new reinforced ventral suspension assembly to accommodate the 10-fly KTRV brainchild and colomens who "KBM". And only a small part of commentators spoke out in favor of implementing this project in the hardware, arguing their opinion, firstly, at times the radar signature of the Su-57 - “Dagger” impact radar in comparison with the MiG-31K - “Dagger” ”, Secondly, the Su-2,5’s 3-57 times superiority in range, which will provide the possibility of a more secretive and deeper penetration into the powerful air defense zones A2 / AD of a potential enemy.

Indeed, at first glance, the skepticism described above for most of the audience has the right to exist, due to a number of compelling reasons. The more massive and stronger power units of the MiG-31K airframe made of stainless steel (50%), aluminum alloys (33%), titanium (16%) and composite materials (about 1%) are perfectly adapted to the installation of heavy suspension units with missiles X-47M2 "Dagger". Having a decent safety factor, the MiG-31K fuselages will provide the “Daggers” mounts with impressive resistance to excessive loads that arise when carriers carry out maneuvers with 3-4G overloads.

In the case of using Su-57 fighters as carriers for X-47M2 aeroballistic missiles, the situation is no longer so clear. The structural strength of the T-50 center wing at the proposed mounting point of the “Dagger” suspension assembly is absolutely not “sharpened” for the placement of goods with similar weight and size parameters (weight about 3,5-4 tons and length 6,5 m), which ultimately can lead to to the well-known phenomenon of the so-called kink of a glider in the area of ​​the inside fuselage compartments of armaments during the execution of maneuvers with overloads of more than 2-3 units.

Nevertheless, taking into account the extremely small total effective reflecting surface of the Su-57 impact ligament - the “Dagger” (0,3-0,4 sq. M versus 13-15 sq. M of the MiG-31 - “Dagger” ligament) due to the small radar signature of the promising “Drying”, as well as having performed a number of simple mathematical calculations, we can come to the unambiguous conclusion that flying in the mode of following the terrain of the Su-57 with the “Dagger” on the suspension will be detected by AFAR-radar AN / APY -9 deck aircraft AWACS E-3D "Advanced Hawkeye" at a distance of 250-300 km, while the MiG-31K with the X-47M2 will be detected by this deck-mounted airborne radar at a distance of 550-650 km! It is logical to assume that in this situation the likelihood of a direct collision of the Su-57 with enemy fighter aircraft before the Daggers leave the suspensions will be minimized (in comparison with the MiG-31K), as will the need to perform vigorous anti-missile maneuvers that can provoke a glider breakdown.

And this means that the multipurpose strike systems, represented by X-47M2 aeroballistic missiles integrated into the ammunition of the 5th generation Su-57 fighters, are capable of breaking through enemy air defense zones A2 / AD at times more efficiently without revealing their own location until reaching the lines the launch of the deadly "Daggers" at strategically important facilities located in the back of the rear zone. In the same turn, reaching a radius of 1800–2000 km, the Su-57 will provide the maximum “depth of impact” of the “Dagger” of about 3500 km, surpassing even one of the main carriers - the Tu-22M3M long-range bomber in this parameter.
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  1. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 7 January 2020 05: 37
    -11
    a good try ... but just the first serial fell ... that's all. terms to the right ... everything is familiar from the Navy. and T-14-15 ...
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 7 January 2020 06: 10
      -10
      Quote: Aerodrome
      a good try ... but just the first serial fell ... that's all. terms to the right ... everything is familiar from the Navy. and T-14-15 ...
      Evgeny Damantsev, my dear man ... please do not print on VO ... as a Human I ask ... go somewhere in the yellow edition_carrier growth I guarantee. really ... from one "submariner" with a "kalashmat" on the table, they barely got rid of ... so here you are ... not your resource. hi
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 7 January 2020 10: 18
        -10
        I am a mundane person, who would explain. The dagger rocket that we know is a hypersonic rocket which is said to be designed to destroy enemy carrier groups, i.e. with nuclear ammunition. But how effective. All such missiles are programmed on the ground, I don’t know, unfortunately or fortunately. Those. time has gone, then the flight of the aircraft to the drop-off point, at least another hour and the flight of the rocket itself, if that is what they tell us that for another 5 minutes. How far will the aircraft carrier go in this time if there is no flight adjustment. Conclusion: a missile is designed to destroy stationary, previously explored targets. For this there are ballistic missiles, which in fact are hypersonic. Speed ​​is twice as high as that of the Dagger.
        1. URAL72
          URAL72 7 January 2020 11: 53
          +3
          Why programming on earth? Modern equipment allows not only to automatically capture the target, but also transferring data to the other side, launch and guidance of its missiles. What is the problem of merging coordinates on your rocket in a second, which also has its own homing head?
          1. YOUR
            YOUR 7 January 2020 13: 37
            +2
            Well, the hypersonic missile and homing head. Try to think whether this is possible. Well, of course there are all sorts of directions in fiction such as an alternative, but so
            1. URAL72
              URAL72 7 January 2020 18: 11
              -4
              The dagger, according to available information, is an air-based Iskander. Read about Iskander's guidance system and speed. Didn't you know that? Then reading, do not comment.
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                1. BastaKarapuzik And
                  BastaKarapuzik And 8 January 2020 12: 40
                  -3
                  I think there are people up there who make decisions, who think more. Ballistic missiles with what range could be released under the agreement on the RMND? 500 to 5500 km of rocket, ground based, this contract was prohibited.
                  The agreement does not apply to rockets of air and sea carriers.
                  At least the fact that we are launching an excellent missile, designed for 500 km, at a range many times greater, this is already a successful project. Well, homing there or not, well, who will tell you in detail? They said with the guidance system, then it is. Zircons are newer missiles, they are also hypersonic and there are obviously some developments on how to direct such missiles to the target. If the locator is not possible, there are probably optical solutions there, or what solutions, no one is obliged to report to us.
            2. Alexey LK
              Alexey LK 8 January 2020 21: 11
              -1
              Quote: YOUR
              hypersonic missile and homing head. Try to think whether this is possible.

              What exactly confuses you? Have you read about a "plasma cloud blocking electronics"? We did not think that there are different phases and flight modes, and that hypersound is not necessarily applied throughout the entire flight, especially in dense layers of the atmosphere on approaching the target ... Yes, and the seeker is different ...
              1. YOUR
                YOUR 9 January 2020 03: 11
                +3
                Yes, somehow the years spent in the army do not have a serious perception of a cloud. And I know about GOS, it seems to me much more than yours. Do not consider it an insult or a boast
                1. Alexey LK
                  Alexey LK 9 January 2020 03: 35
                  -4
                  Well, if you know about different GOS and don’t believe in a plasma cloud, why do you doubt hypersound? I myself did not see, of course, but what prevents, say, an optical seeker on some hyperfast product? At the final stage, when hovering over a rather large ship, when the speed has already decreased ... What is wrong?
                  1. YOUR
                    YOUR 9 January 2020 06: 01
                    +3
                    How does the seeker work?
                    Active, radar mounted in the rocket. How do you imagine this in a rocket flying at the speed of hypersound in the air for less than a minute.
                    Semi-active GOS. The target needs to be highlighted, on the rocket the receiver, the rocket is aimed at the reflected signal
                    Passive GOS - infrared, thermal imaging, there is still ultraviolet applied in conjunction with heat .. or infra ..
                    Which one to choose for a rocket with hypersonic speed?
        2. Sencis
          Sencis 7 January 2020 20: 13
          0
          This is probably a pretty dumb ANN + radio command missile. A rocket must be continuously guided by a satellite, ship, plane or even another rocket (with radar). The accuracy of such guidance, as I understand it, is only for ships and allows you to shoot, and preferably with the help of nuclear weapons, because it can certainly miss and then almost do no damage. In principle, ballistic missiles cannot be guided by the flight time they have significantly longer and the chance of hitting is even less.
          1. bayard
            bayard 7 January 2020 23: 16
            +8
            Quote: Sencis
            This is probably a pretty dumb rocket.

            Probably ? belay
            Probably likely? smile But this is obvious - obvious and likely.
            Quote: Sencis
            A rocket must be continuously guided by a satellite, ship, plane or even another rocket

            Continuously?
            Well of course continuously!
            You are probably a specialist wink
            Quote: Sencis
            The accuracy of such guidance, as I understand it, is only on ships and allows you to shoot

            What are you doing?
            Ship Only recourse After all, ships, this is such a simple goal ... No ... only on them lol
            Quote: Sencis
            and preferably with the help of nuclear weapons

            am The whole world is in ruin!
            Or a ship ...
            But it is not exactly .
            Quote: Sencis
            because she probably can miss and then almost do no damage

            lol
            Quote: Sencis
            In principle, ballistic missiles cannot

            Yes, they can’t do anything at all. yes
            Quote: Sencis
            their flight time is much longer

            Much yes
            Rockets in general yes , and ballistic in particular ... very slow. lol
            Highly !
            Quote: Sencis
            the chance of hitting is even less.

            Well, who would doubt it! fellow laughing
            Still !!! Even less !!!
            You explained everything so intelligibly good
            In short:
            - the rocket is dumb
            - it will be guided by a ship, satellite or rocket, but this is not accurate
            - and its accuracy is only ONLY (!!!) for firing at ships. To shoot at stationary targets without a lez, but - it will miss. Surely. Even if she has a nuclear warhead!
            - and even if the core of her warhead will be from Tsar Cannon ... EVERYTHING IS EQUAL without care. And why ? And because ballistic missiles are induced:
            Quote: Sencis
            basically cannot


            Bravo!
            BRAVO - BRAVO !!!
            Young man, you made my day!
            Have you been invited to Roscosmos yet?
            And in Ros-Hydro?
            Be sure to invite, write more often!
            And certainly in "Sport-Lotto".
            1. Sencis
              Sencis 2 February 2020 21: 29
              0
              Whoa, whoa, you washed everything right to the bones. Just imagine this whole comment, like all the comments under this post, with 99% probability, only the developers can say for sure. And why is it so "bombarded" with you, then immediately I am not an expert can write what I like, especially as it seems to me, my reasoning is not very far from the truth. With regard to ballistic missiles, a classic ballistic missile is called ballistic because its warhead flies along a falling trajectory. You do not need to be a weapons specialist to understand that flight along a ballistic trajectory is much slower than in a straight line like a CD, therefore the longer the rocket flies, the more chances it will miss because it is more difficult to calculate the lead + difficulty of targeting the warhead in the terminal phase of the flight, the block flies in plasma at high speed with large overloads.
              1. bayard
                bayard 2 February 2020 21: 58
                +1
                Young man, did you decide to spend another evening of humor?
                Quote: Sencis
                I am not a specialist, I can write whatever I want

                Of course you can, but it's still better in Sport Lotto. smile
                Quote: Sencis
                especially since it seems to me that my reasoning is not very far from the truth

                It seems to you . It seems to you, but now it’s time to get baptized.
                They are very . VERY far. yes
                Quote: Sencis
                You don’t need to be an armament specialist to understand that flying along a ballistic trajectory is much slower than in a straight line like in the Kyrgyz Republic

                Yes ! fellow To make such a fuss, not only do not need to be an expert on weapons, you do not even need to study at school. yes ... especially physics. lol
                Have you studied / studied physics at school?
                I understand ... hard ... but on the other hand, a brain unburdened with knowledge is able to produce such enchanting pearls lol laughing

                I dare to recommend that you compare two such textbook missiles as "Pershing-2" and "Tomahawk". They have approximately the same maximum range. The task is as follows:
                - Compare the speed of these missiles.
                - to calculate the flight time at a distance of 1500 km.
                - Compare the data obtained for these two missiles.
                - report the results tomorrow no later than 22-00.

                This is your homework. wink
                1. Sencis
                  Sencis 2 February 2020 23: 15
                  0
                  After all, the article is about a hypersonic missile flying at 7-8 speeds of sound, a ballistic missile will pick up such a speed only when it falls. Conclusion: a hypersonic missile should be faster than a ballistic missile, especially at a short range of 1000-2000 km. Otherwise, I doubt that you understand the topic, you are just an ordinary troll, where you yourself can do the simplest calculation of ballistics if you "figure it out" in physics, I strongly doubt how you will calculate the trajectory, what is the name of the uppermost point of ballistic flight rockets? So you at least know how the anti-ship missile guidance system differs from a ballistic missile, why can an anti-ship missile be targeted at AUG, but for example Pershing-2 is not? Why can't a hypersonic missile be made similar to a supersonic missile such as the P-700?
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 3 February 2020 01: 02
                    +1
                    "In a hurry, you will make people laugh" - folk wisdom.
                    Wisdom cannot be neglected smile otherwise laughter and sin.
                    Does the evening of humor continue?
                    Quote: Sencis
                    After all, the article is about a hypersonic rocket flying at 7-8 sound speeds

                    The article is about an airplane that is ONLY GOING to enter service. And you tell me about a missile (!) Which is still not in service and when it will be is unknown. smile
                    There is NO such missile in service with ANY ARMY OF THE WORLD.
                    Especially with such a range
                    Quote: Sencis
                    short range 1000-2000km.

                    Short? smile
                    You were given your homework to carry out a comparative analysis of two samples - "Pershing-2" and "Tomahawk". These missiles were in service, and the Tomahawk is still in service with the US Navy.
                    Homework has not been completed. But the time until tomorrow is left.
                    For now - a strict warning remark.
                    Quote: Sencis
                    if you "understand" physics

                    For spelling - not good. No. negative The native language must be known, loved and respected. The Motherland begins with it.
                    Quote: Sencis
                    Do you even know how the RCC guidance system differs from a ballistic missile?

                    lol Imagine . After all, I fought with them. After all, I’m in the past an officer in the combat control of an air defense formation and all these missiles are my legitimate goal. yes
                    Quote: Sencis
                    why RCC can be aimed at AUG and for example Pershing-2 not?

                    "Pershing-2" is not intended for this, although it also has a radar seeker, which is why such a high accuracy (20 - 30 m. KVO). But in China, there is a medium-range anti-ship ballistic missile and is in service. Have you not heard? smile Not surprised .
                    And in the Soviet Union, they worked on such a rocket since the 60s, but they closed the topic - they found more rational solutions.
                    Quote: Sencis
                    Why can not a hypersonic missile be made similar to a supersonic rocket such as the P-700?

                    What do you know about the P-700?
                    What about the P-800?
                    And what did you, young man, hear about ramjet and fuel efficiency table depending on flight speed?
                    First you should carefully study the ABC and Arithmetic smile , then Algebra and Descriptive Geometry smile , Mathematical Analysis and Solid State Physics yes , Sopromat and The Theory of Big Numbers ... well, here I have gone too far for you ... Well, at least delve into the reference data of types of weapons ... is it true that you will understand this without Physics?

                    Good advice - be careful in expressing your immature opinions on specialized sites. And you will not look stupid and funny. feel wink
                    bully hi
          2. YOUR
            YOUR 8 January 2020 03: 34
            0
            Quote: Sencis
            In principle, ballistic missiles cannot be guided by the flight time they have significantly longer and the chance of hitting is even less.

            more than a strange statement. Do not explain?
          3. BastaKarapuzik And
            BastaKarapuzik And 8 January 2020 12: 49
            0
            The Chinese are experimenting with ballistic to destroy aircraft carriers. It’s possible that it’s a bluff, but the company is deployed with all visible seriousness. But what if true effective weapons?
            The idea is not new at all, there was such a project under the USSR for a long time, it seems I read about it somewhere. But at that time this idea was not accepted into service, maybe technical capabilities did not allow it, maybe they made another bet. In any case, if someone continuously aims the missile at the target, this is quite an option, drones there and so on. to help
      2. figwam
        figwam 7 January 2020 11: 46
        +12
        In the same turn, the reach of the Su-1800 reaching 2000–57 km will provide the maximum “depth of impact” of the “Dagger” of about 3500 km, surpassing even one of the main carriers - the Tu-22M3M long-range bomber in this parameter.

        The Tu-22M3 has a combat radius of 2300 km, the Tu-22M3M has a refueling in the air that is + 2000 km + 1000 km the Dagger itself, and it will carry not only one missile, but three, so consider that it is more effective.
        1. Lozovik
          Lozovik 7 January 2020 15: 09
          +4
          Quote: figvam
          Tu-22M3 combat radius of 2300 km

          "Kinzhalovskie" missiles are approximately equal in size and weight to the Kh-22, and with three Kh-22s the tactical radius is much less than 2000 km.

          Quote: figvam
          the Tu-22M3M has a refueling in the air that's + 2000 km

          In this case, the aircraft with missiles (three!) Need to take more than 30 tons of fuel. How do you propose to do this?

          Quote: figvam
          + 1000 km Dagger itself

          Only now the radar is unable to detect a target at a range of more than 420 km.
          1. figwam
            figwam 7 January 2020 15: 40
            +2
            Quote: Lozovik
            "Kinzhalovskie" missiles are approximately equal in size and weight to the Kh-22, and with three Kh-22s the tactical radius is much less than 2000 km.

            I don’t think that it will be smaller, according to the performance characteristics, the M3 can carry 12 tons at high altitude with a subsonic speed of up to 3000 km, the NK-3 engines will be on the M32M as the Tu-160 are more economical, respectively, the range will still increase.
            Quote: Lozovik
            In this case, the aircraft with missiles (three!) Need to take more than 30 tons of fuel. How do you propose to do this?

            Refueling in the air from IL-78, IL-78M.
            Quote: Lozovik
            Only now the radar is unable to detect a target at a range of more than 420 km.

            As the INS guidance is written with the possibility of adjustment from the GLONASS system, AWACS, optical GOS
            1. Lozovik
              Lozovik 7 January 2020 18: 04
              +1
              Quote: figvam
              I do not think that it will be less

              With all due respect, in this case you need not to think, but to know.

              Quote: figvam
              according to performance characteristics, M3 can carry 12 tons at high altitude with a subsonic speed of up to 3000 km

              At 3000 only empty, even without a BD-45K. Also do not forget about alignment with a small remainder.

              Quote: figvam
              NK-3 engines will stand on the M32M as on the Tu-160 are more economical, respectively, the range will still increase.

              Tu-22M3 will fly with NK-25 until decommissioning, the benefit of overhaul mastered.

              Quote: figvam
              Refueling in the air from IL-78, IL-78M.

              To understand the depth of the question, start with the basics - what is the purpose of the barbell button on the steering wheel?

              Quote: figvam
              As the INS guidance is written with the possibility of adjustment from the GLONASS system, AWACS, optical GOS

              The question arises: does anyone know the exact purpose of the complex?
              1. figwam
                figwam 7 January 2020 18: 40
                0
                The NK-22-3 will be on the Tu-32M02M, the commander of long-range aviation stated this, and a refueling rod will also be installed on it.
                1. Lozovik
                  Lozovik 7 January 2020 19: 20
                  +3
                  It is interesting to read the full article.

                  Pay attention to the fairing:
      3. akarfoxhound
        akarfoxhound 7 January 2020 17: 56
        0
        Dedkastary, I support every word! Comrade Zhenya Damantsev and military analyst are two incompatible concepts. The people who really exploit the technology, in all their articles in the comments in the trash, smashing the "analytical" arguments of Evgeny - the editorial board for a healthy professional reaction is not perceived. And, judging by the downsides, as TV idols say today among minus players - "people hawala, it goes well".
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 7 January 2020 21: 28
          -3
          Quote: akarfoxhound
          Grandfather, I support every word!

          thank you servant .. drinks
    2. jonht
      jonht 7 January 2020 06: 13
      +2
      Deadlines to the right, this is, thank God, not the end of the program itself ....
      The main thing is that all identified and detected jambs of 100% were eliminated and were removable.
      And not like the fu-35, out of more than 1000 comments, more than 100 are unremovable due to constructive miscalculations .... hi
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 7 January 2020 06: 18
        +3
        Quote: jonht
        Deadlines to the right, this is, thank God, not the end of the program itself ....
        The main thing is that all identified and detected jambs of 100% were eliminated and were removable.
        And not like the fu-35, out of more than 1000 comments, more than 100 are unremovable due to constructive miscalculations ....

        yes, yes ... sounds like a mantra or a prayer already ... there is nothing else to cover. in the USSR whole shelves appeared out of nowhere, and no one knew ... and now, first "bunch" then "oh" ...
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          1. YOUR
            YOUR 7 January 2020 10: 11
            +12
            With the difference that they did and did, silently, rather than continuously, telling us how cool it is and how we will tear everyone. But in reality, which is already a year apart from the promises, is another story about how all is well beautiful marquise.
            T-14 was reported that in 2019, in the arsenal of the Taman Division, 2 battalions of Almaty and a boomerang battalion for military trials would appear. Then they cut the sturgeon to 16 units. Well, as you would expect, 5 cars will be enough for you, maybe in 2020.
          2. Spart55
            Spart55 7 January 2020 11: 16
            +17
            If debugging is a complex and lengthy process, so maybe the product should be PROSPECTED after debugging, and not BEFORE, how is this done?
            The praises of Armate sang, defeated all the adversaries, and then the Deputy Prime Minister suddenly spoke and said unpleasant things.
            They did everything in space with the Angara, and then things suddenly found out no less surprising.
            They put it on the shoulder blades of the 35th 57th, and he take it and fall. The first serial.
            It seems that boasting without reason becomes already part of being. You need to be more modest.
            1. jonht
              jonht 7 January 2020 11: 29
              +4
              I also don’t like that they talk a lot, but on the other hand everyone wanted publicity and openness. And everyone wants to get information, and even better the one that suits them. I'm happy with the positive, you may be different. Someone likes to throw shit on a fan, and I'm glad of it. But I look at everything calmly and do not panic, and if everyone in the USSR was silent, now we have the other side, they are talking a lot.
              1. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan 7 January 2020 21: 08
                0
                Yes, now everything is different, especially the propaganda department in the Kremlin administration, which works best in the country.
            2. maidan.izrailovich
              maidan.izrailovich 7 January 2020 16: 19
              -4
              They put it on the shoulder blades of the 35th 57th, and he take it and fall.

              Do you want the Su-57 to be like the fu-35?
              Four years in service, and already a lot of accidents and incidents.
              And most because of "technical features" and malfunctions.
              Enjoy: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35# Crash Crashes crying
        2. Eug
          Eug 7 January 2020 09: 48
          +5
          In my time, "constructive miscalculation" in claims and bulletins was called CPN - a constructive-production flaw.
          1. jonht
            jonht 7 January 2020 09: 58
            -2
            Aircraft are being modernized and improved all the time during their operation, and, according to relatives, they tested one of the production aircraft at extreme conditions.
          2. maidan.izrailovich
            maidan.izrailovich 7 January 2020 17: 49
            +1
            In my time, "constructive miscalculation" in claims and bulletins was called CPN - a constructive-production flaw.

            Why did you tell me this? How does this (the way you called something there) affect the number of accidents of other incidents?
      2. cradle
        cradle 7 January 2020 09: 52
        -8
        Yes, the road will be overpowered by the one going ... all the more, the one going in the right direction. IMHO, it will be better than the Fu-35 to fall in love ...
      3. kjhg
        kjhg 7 January 2020 11: 00
        +7
        Quote: jonht
        And not like the fu-35, out of more than 1000 comments, more than 100 are unremovable due to constructive miscalculations ...

        Do you know how many comments and mistakes the Su-57 has? You are so informed, please tell me how many of the identified comments have been removed from the F-35?
        1. jonht
          jonht 7 January 2020 11: 09
          -12
          Many, but not all shoals on fu-35, and yet yes on this site there are articles on this topic, find read.
          1. Avior
            Avior 7 January 2020 12: 02
            +5
            So what about the problems of Su57 in the era, as you wrote yourself, of publicity and openness?
            1. jonht
              jonht 7 January 2020 12: 42
              -5
              And we haven’t come to this yet, but with your prayers ... and ours will come to this. So far, ours are trying to soar what our defense industry is doing, but still very ineptly.
          2. Cat Kuzya
            Cat Kuzya 7 January 2020 12: 19
            -1
            Considering all the recent "successes" of the Russian economy (the military-industrial complex is no exception) and the government's emphasis on "PR with the help of cartoons", personally I have more doubts, in general, about the existence of all these "Zircon-daggers".
            1. jonht
              jonht 7 January 2020 12: 44
              -1
              Your right. For me, those who were supposed to hear, already have something to compare and check, and mind you no longer talk about cartoons there.
              1. cradle
                cradle 7 January 2020 13: 39
                -4
                tongue stuck far laughing
            2. Nick
              Nick 7 January 2020 14: 49
              -1
              Quote: Kuzya the Cat
              Considering all the recent "successes" of the Russian economy

              And about what successes in quotation marks are you talking about?
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 7 January 2020 21: 11
      +3
      Quote: Aerodrome
      good try ... but just the first serial fell ..

      Seriously Serial? Or pre-production? You just don’t have to grind with your tongue about what you don’t know.
    4. Elena Zakharova
      Elena Zakharova 7 January 2020 21: 45
      +2
      fell did not fall ...
      Everyone falls in the process of testing.
      But nevertheless, if on topic, it is clear that the minimal radar signature SU057 is quite well suited for basing the Dagger on its board.
  2. Kleber
    Kleber 7 January 2020 06: 09
    +9
    The most compelling argument in favor of this conclusion is the unexpected conclusion of a contract between the Algerian defense department and Rosoboronexport to supply the Algerian Air Force with 14 promising multi-purpose Su-57E aviation systems of export modification.


    First you need to provide your Sukhoi VKS with a sufficient number of Su-57s, and then sell it to all Algeria.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 7 January 2020 06: 13
      +16
      Quote: Kleber
      First you need to provide your Sukhoi VKS with a sufficient number of Su-57s, and then sell it to all Algeria.

      it seems fair ... but I will remind the story of the T-90 ... if not India .. right now, probably, the trading network would have been in place of UVZ.
      1. Kleber
        Kleber 7 January 2020 06: 23
        +4
        Then India helped, but almost 20 years have passed and the financial condition of Russia has become much higher, and therefore the capabilities of the military budget are higher.
        1. Siberian 66
          Siberian 66 7 January 2020 06: 33
          +10
          As it is not noticeably much higher financial position.
          1. Kleber
            Kleber 7 January 2020 06: 36
            +4
            And you do not compare the financial situation of the common people (it remains the same), but compare the military budgets of the Russian Federation between the launch of the T-90 and the launch of the Su-57.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 7 January 2020 07: 18
              -5
              It is incorrect to speak about the "financial situation of the people" in budgetary categories, if one can speak ONLY about the trend "increase / decrease" in WELFARE - and this is an evaluative category.
              1. Kleber
                Kleber 7 January 2020 07: 43
                +4
                Show me the finger where I am talking about the financial situation of the people in budget categories.

                I applied the budget category only to a quantitative change in military spending.
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 7 January 2020 07: 50
                  -4
                  Take your finger and run over the first half of your commentary and try to understand that the "financial situation of the people" is a liberal notion of deer from the financial block of the Prospect Island, because it is not expressed in rubles.
                  1. Kleber
                    Kleber 7 January 2020 08: 02
                    +8
                    The financial situation of the people in rubles is not expressed? Consumer basket, minimum wage, etc. the notion of deer? Bravo!
                    1. hydrox
                      hydrox 7 January 2020 08: 10
                      -8
                      If you are not familiar with the fundamentals of economics, and all the more so if you are not able to apply concepts whose essence is set forth by luminaries far from the canons of the Higher School of Economics, then we will not understand each other. All the best.
                      1. Kleber
                        Kleber 7 January 2020 08: 12
                        +12
                        All the best. Moreover, how do I know with a higher economic education the basics of the economy?
                      2. hydrox
                        hydrox 7 January 2020 08: 16
                        -6
                        Yes, in today's time, unfortunately, this has become possible ... sad
                      3. Kleber
                        Kleber 7 January 2020 08: 24
                        +5
                        Not in today's time, and the academy is more than serious.

                        Round off, and then far from the topic left.
                      4. Xenofont
                        Xenofont 7 January 2020 12: 36
                        0
                        That's what we have with the economy is such a crap ... Maybe in the "academies" what to fix? Without touching the persons present ...
                      5. cradle
                        cradle 7 January 2020 13: 42
                        -1
                        I’m embarrassed to ask: AKM?
                      6. Xenofont
                        Xenofont 7 January 2020 13: 43
                        -1
                        Then something with "volumetric detonating" ...
                      7. hydrox
                        hydrox 7 January 2020 21: 52
                        -1
                        Which academies are such and such knowledge, which knowledge is such and such specialists, which specialists are such and the economy :: and what instruments you choose to correct the situation, is up to you young people, you know ... you will not threaten anyone with your fist (they are all they’re toothy!), PM may not scare them, but they should understand it with lead from AK, they should understand ... but they are greedy and brainless - Do you think they will abandon their imperious feeding trough?
                        Not to life!
                        And also :: democracy is not an instrument, it is only an environment capable of raising terrorists of a completely Trump type - remember this! laughing
                      8. cradle
                        cradle 8 January 2020 07: 41
                        0
                        Seryozha, these are not our methods. Here's the forehead with a dull green grease smeared, please, but the methods of terror ... no!
                      9. hydrox
                        hydrox 8 January 2020 16: 15
                        0
                        Wow, like the liberoids of your brainless people, who have brought the Russian economy to a pen, protect !!
                        Although the position can only change the console with flexible connection ...
                  2. karabass
                    karabass 7 January 2020 21: 41
                    0
                    it is interesting. If you did not flood, please tell us what it means
          2. hydrox
            hydrox 8 January 2020 16: 21
            +2
            How inconspicuous !?
            Open the fresh Forbes directory - there all the first hundred familiar names are replete with the championship in the SPEED of "mining $ billions" !!
        2. Chaldon48
          Chaldon48 7 January 2020 06: 51
          0
          It remains to be hoped that Algerian money will at least help our MO in the purchase of equipment so necessary for the defense of the country
        3. Aibolit
          Aibolit 7 January 2020 13: 05
          -4
          Multiple is "Skoka"?
          To double, 7,2% had to go every year. And we walked at that pace. I can tell you now the total figure - including from 2000 to 2014, we got about 94%. Although not in 10 years, but in 15, we are close to doubling the country's GDP.
          -This was said by someone Lech Kudrin
          Let's say the GDP has grown 2 times "multiple" in your opinion. I get confused about this.
          Defense spending grew like this 2006: $ 34,5 billion; 2008: 54,2 billion
          And isho
      2. hydrox
        hydrox 7 January 2020 07: 11
        0
        Here you are right :: It would probably make sense to supply troops that are built on the profit from the execution of export contracts (by itself +/-) laughing
      3. cradle
        cradle 7 January 2020 09: 54
        -1
        history has no subjunctive mood ... we have what we have.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 7 January 2020 21: 17
      +1
      Quote: Kleber
      First you need to provide your Sukhoi VKS with a sufficient number of Su-57s, and then sell it to all Algeria.

      This is not critical and I will explain why ... the next 10-15 years, the main strands will be the SU-30SM and SU-35S. Over time, only the SU-35S will remain in production for itself. The next 10-15 years, the tasks that will be set and set on the SU-35, he will be able to successfully carry out. We take into account modernization and new engines, and possibly a new radar, as well as an arsenal. So at this time, and they will train flyers under the SU-57, techies, develop tactics in tandem with Hunter, etc. ... so where do we hurry? Still there, work to begin and finish. And as a separate combat unit (without Hunter, a new arsenal, etc.), the SU-57 can be said to half use its real capabilities.
  3. Fifth
    Fifth 7 January 2020 06: 36
    +1
    Well done! Keep it up! They will not succeed ...
  4. Kleber
    Kleber 7 January 2020 07: 02
    +15
    Maybe I'm wrong, but under the Dagger to break through air defense it is necessary to sharpen a drone with good characteristics. Su-57 is too expensive a toy for this.

    PySy: by the word "sharpen" I meant to design and mass produce.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 7 January 2020 07: 31
      -5
      The answer to your thesis is as follows: other means having different weapons and other goals are set for a breakthrough and DESTRUCTION of air defense.
      By the way, your thesis becomes incorrect if you do not designate the GOAL that the Dagger will strike.
      For reference: USA, as our main potential enemy, DOES NOT HAVE worthy air defense means to protect the civilian population of its country. yes
      1. Aibolit
        Aibolit 7 January 2020 12: 54
        +1
        For reference: USA, as our main potential enemy, DOES NOT HAVE worthy air defense means to protect the civilian population of its country.

        Are you kidding?
        NORAD not talking about anything?
        Well, at least here:

        1. hydrox
          hydrox 7 January 2020 16: 08
          +4
          You did not understand from this ancient text that this was about nothing, and certainly not about modern weapons?
          Along the way ...
          1. Aibolit
            Aibolit 7 January 2020 17: 58
            0
            What text? Where is the ancient?
            All air defense of North America is aviation and means of interception on the US Navy.
            If they do not have S-300/400, this does not mean that they do not have “decent civilian air defense facilities”
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 7 January 2020 19: 05
              +1
              If these funds were not available in '13, then in the absence of efforts to work in this direction, one can judge that nothing new will appear there for at least 3-5 years (even the modernization of this infamous Patriot) ...
              1. Aibolit
                Aibolit 7 January 2020 19: 42
                -2
                Do not think so narrowly.
                REPEAT:
                North American air defense is based on aviation and “platforms” at sea (Orly, which are Berks)
                Ground cover, only some ground objects.
                And, it seems to me, such a structure is no worse, even better than “ours”
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 7 January 2020 22: 05
                  +3
                  To communicate with you - as if to specially substitute as an object for minusers - I’d better refrain :: There are many of you ...
                  1. Aibolit
                    Aibolit 8 January 2020 02: 09
                    -4
                    It's not me, keep a “+” eat, if that matters to you.
                    Threat. Giordano Bruno, better than Bourzhuino.
                    I am also “dissenting”
                    1. hydrox
                      hydrox 8 January 2020 06: 31
                      +2
                      Ivan Arnoldych, have you read our Military Doctrine?
                      If not, then in vain, there are a lot of notches, but there is also the main thing: our Doctrine is defensive, therefore defense systems (as well as the armed forces) must meet certain requirements and have sufficient condition, strength and direction. At the same time, without waving his fists and knocking out the door, we must keep our focus in a peaceful direction (not forgetting about the battleship ...), but you should not only respect, but also be afraid - such a gangster time (hereinafter, something about innocence. ..).
                2. Xenofont
                  Xenofont 8 January 2020 00: 18
                  +2
                  Well, what kind of missile defense on downward trajectories? Yes, and with maneuvering units.
    2. shinobi
      shinobi 7 January 2020 09: 56
      +2
      It seems that, according to rumors, the stealth-drone heavy is being labeled (Hunter is its light version) which will be able to carry daggers and zircons. Well, again, rumors.
      1. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 7 January 2020 13: 45
        +1
        Quote: shinobi
        It seems that, according to rumors, the stealth-drone heavy is being labeled (Hunter is its light version) which will be able to carry daggers and zircons. Well, again, rumors.


        You’ve come up with this rumor yourself now, right?
        there simply were never such rumors ...
        1. shinobi
          shinobi 7 January 2020 21: 43
          0
          Do you read the whole press? Or just what suits you? You talked about it even more in the zero. Then you cut it off. How they do it, they show it. It was so hypersonic. you.
      2. Voyager
        Voyager 7 January 2020 14: 19
        +3
        That's right, Hunter-U is under development. The model of his glider was even publicly lit.
    3. bar
      bar 7 January 2020 10: 05
      +6
      under the dagger to break through the air defense it is necessary to sharpen a drone with good characteristics. Su-57 is too expensive a toy for this.

      The S-70 Okhotnik is being tested, just paired with the Su-57. What is not a carrier? And in terms of carrying capacity it passes, and in invisibility it is steeper than the Su-57, and not so sorry. A fighter from him is unlikely to work, but as a shock one.
      1. Voyager
        Voyager 7 January 2020 14: 23
        +4
        The S-70 is not a carrier, firstly, for the reason that before the series it is still like us before the cosmonauts. Secondly, the S-70 is not able to "use" the Dagger inside, and therefore the key advantage of this UAV - that is, stealth - will be leveled out by a huge rocket under the belly. And finally, the third - this UAV, due to its design features, will not even be able to accelerate itself empty to the same speed of sound, not to mention the rocket. And the Dagger just needs a high starting speed.
  5. Amateur
    Amateur 7 January 2020 07: 11
    +6
    Another set of names and numbers. Interestingly, the word "graphomaniac" is abusive in VO?
    1. thinker
      thinker 7 January 2020 07: 43
      +4
      It's strict here! yes I once called the author (another) a paper alarmist, and be kind - a warning for insulting.
  6. svp67
    svp67 7 January 2020 07: 41
    +3
    Honestly, I don’t understand why in this case "cross a horse and a quivering doe" "Dagger" is the first such missile created on the basis of the "Iskander" missile, but what prevents you from going forward? Even under the INF Treaty, medium and short-range air-launched missiles were not banned, which means that it is necessary to make a missile, already at least with a "short range" flight. And to make them carriers of Tu-22, Tu-160, it would be nice to upgrade the Tu-95 for them and the Su-34.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 7 January 2020 12: 12
      +14
      Quote: svp67
      under them to upgrade and Su-34.

      Su-34 probably modernized under the dagger. But the 57th why? This is a fighter for gaining superiority in the air. Suspend X-47M2, and the device will lose stealth, maneuverability. And you can’t put the current dagger into the existing internal weapon compartments! Then, remember the height of the dagger launch, to which the Su-57 will have to rise ... What kind of stealth attack under these conditions can we talk?
      Fancy is, of course, good. But common sense must remain!
      1. svp67
        svp67 7 January 2020 13: 06
        +3
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        But common sense must remain!

        Sometimes it is replaced with "companionship". The Supreme Commander liked the "Dagger", so let's hang it on everything that moves to the delight of his eyes, and why and why, it's "secret information"
        And if you really want to, then let him make him the carrier of the X-101 or missiles based on it.
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 7 January 2020 07: 56
    +6
    Again about the timing and prospects ... Will there ever be an article on mass deliveries ..
    1. Udav kaa
      Udav kaa 7 January 2020 08: 05
      -6
      Quote: parusnik
      Again about the timing and prospects ... Will there ever be an article on mass deliveries ..

      It is unlikely ..This in Israel, three pieces a day are stamped (the professor wrote yesterday))))))
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 7 January 2020 08: 22
        +5
        Professor can get excited :: Israel and Iran relations are heating up every day :: it is only in Russia that a stagnation bay has formed ... laughing
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 7 January 2020 08: 25
          +2
          And then :: Israel is not daggers stamping 3 pieces a day! laughing
          1. Udav kaa
            Udav kaa 7 January 2020 10: 34
            -6
            Quote: hydrox
            And then :: Israel is not daggers stamping 3 pieces a day! laughing

            And "Poseidons" with "Vanguard" and "Sarmat" ... and something else in space hehe
            Let them stamp .. hi
        2. Udav kaa
          Udav kaa 7 January 2020 08: 29
          0
          Quote: hydrox
          Professor can get excited :: Israel and Iran relations are heating up every day :: it is only in Russia that a stagnation bay has formed ... laughing

          Well, we take a walk, then we’ll deal with the Jewish question .. They already got it! soldier drinks
      2. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 7 January 2020 13: 46
        +4
        Quote: Udav Kaa
        Quote: parusnik
        Again about the timing and prospects ... Will there ever be an article on mass deliveries ..

        It is unlikely ..This in Israel, three pieces a day are stamped (the professor wrote yesterday))))))

        Why lie about professors and Israel?
        The professor wrote about every three days a plane is stamped - and you all misinterpreted ..
        Deliberately distorted.
        But after all, it would have been to bite Israel and the professors?
        The end justifies the means.

        Ugh. scum and trash behavior ...
        \
    2. cradle
      cradle 7 January 2020 10: 00
      +1
      what is massive in your understanding? one hundred pits? Thousand? The military budget of the Russian Federation is not so huge that it would crush the NATO FSE with a "mass". It is necessary to measure the wishes with the possibilities. There will be something thread 50 / year and hello, unfortunately.
  8. Udav kaa
    Udav kaa 7 January 2020 08: 03
    -4
    Well, at least they started spreading articles about our developments .. hi
    And then yesterday I went with a shovel to dig a trench, the devil knows suddenly the Messers will fly .. hehe
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 7 January 2020 08: 17
    +11
    Plans, plans .... without restoring our design school in all areas of industrial production, without restoring the SYSTEM of education, training of workers and technological personnel, we will flounder on the spot, without noticeably high results. An industry out of nothing and without trained specialists will be .... or rather, there will be nothing good.
    1. prior
      prior 7 January 2020 10: 27
      +9
      The question you raised about specialists, in modern Russia, should be considered as IMPOSSIBLE.
      And this means that, as you rightly said, there will be nothing good.
      And not because I am a pessimist, but because we have a SYSTEM of the wrong system.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 7 January 2020 10: 33
        +6
        This is simply cynicism of the highest standard (although this is a crime against the country), we are not shy about saying that things are on the field of education, we have figs. They say everyone who does not have a day, but things are still there, and even plunges into the quagmire deeper and deeper!
        There are so many examples where incompetence leads to big losses, a tragedy, which is no longer clear, WHAT DO THEY THINK ABOUT THERE UP?
        1. kjhg
          kjhg 7 January 2020 11: 22
          +8
          Quote: rocket757
          we are not shy to say that things are on the field of education, we have figs

          I would like to know in which area we have good ones? In medicine, in industry, in science, aircraft building, shipbuilding, in the fishing industry, in the space sector, in the field of demography ...
          Quote: rocket757
          WHAT DO THEY THINK ABOUT THERE ABOUT ???

          What are they thinking about? About personal enrichment. This has long been an open secret. And therefore, they spit on everythingthat does not bring them immediate profit! The less they allocate to expenses, the more they have in their own wallet.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 7 January 2020 12: 06
            +3
            It can be recognized that our nuclear industry is holding its forefront in the world.
            More railway transport as it holds.
            For some military manufacturers, the level of production remains at an acceptable level.
            But all this can go to dust if stagnation and regression persist in other sectors. Moreover, all this can suffer greatly due to the lack of prepared scientific and labor reserves!
            In short, the prospects, especially bright, are not visible.
            1. kjhg
              kjhg 7 January 2020 12: 29
              +2
              Quote: rocket757
              Our nuclear industry is at the forefront of the world.

              In part, I can agree with this. But this happened because all the leading countries of the world have embarked on the rejection of nuclear energy in connection with its great danger.
              Quote: rocket757
              More railway transport as it holds.

              What are the achievements in the field of railways? Our new trains are the same as foreign cars assembled near St. Petersburg. The whole world is switching to high-speed trains. In China, it’s not even a boom, but a real breakthrough in this area. Over 30 thousand kilometers of high-speed railway networks have been built across the country. And we have? Moscow - Peter, on which go German trains Siemens. All!
              Quote: rocket757
              In short, the prospects, especially bright, are not visible.

              They will not be under the current government. At best, the current sedimentary stagnation and continued impoverishment. At worst, a crisis and ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 7 January 2020 13: 22
                0
                Suppose no one is in a hurry to part with nuclear energy, who really has this technology ... users from geyrops move to other regions, this is a possible option.
                About railway transport and the development of infrastructure of high-speed highways, this is not a claim to the railway workers themselves, it is somewhat higher. There, where we have buried a lot of necessary things .... there is no money, but you spin as you want. This is a systemic, capital gag! Without changes / changes of what is up there, there will be no business needed.
  10. K-50
    K-50 7 January 2020 08: 18
    +6
    flying in the mode of following the terrain of the Su-57 terrain with a “Dagger” on the suspension will be detected by the AN / APY-9 AFAR-radar carrier-based aircraft AWACS E-3D “Advanced Hawkeye” at a distance of 250-300 km, while the MiG- 31K with the X-47M2 will be detected by this decked airborne radar at a distance 550-650 km!

    Does he even see at such a distance? Or is it just the result of "mathematical calculations"? lol
    1. Aibolit
      Aibolit 7 January 2020 12: 42
      0
      This is the result of libations (excessive) on holidays that are too long
  11. Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 7 January 2020 08: 30
    +5
    Algeria, unlike us, has long been flying in pairs on the Su-57 and Su-35, there is "irrefutable evidence" from the press service of their Air Force. smile
  12. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 7 January 2020 08: 31
    0
    Need a smaller caliber .....
    1. URAL72
      URAL72 7 January 2020 12: 12
      -4
      It is necessary, but money is needed for it. And the development of the dagger, - a penny, production is debugged. The charm! Get a new system almost free and very fast.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 7 January 2020 12: 48
        0
        I think that not everything is so bad ... and there are missiles with a smaller diameter in the zashnik.
  13. Udav kaa
    Udav kaa 7 January 2020 08: 40
    -3
    Here, many shout about the free sale of weapons pistols, automation, etc.
    And why in each family of Russia MANPADS give, give or buy .. Well, so that in safes and a license, etc.
    That poked me, but still a good idea! And then again we will run hares across the expanses of our homeland hehe
    1. cradle
      cradle 7 January 2020 10: 08
      +2
      You were "poked", dear Kaa ... as at one time Tukhlachevsky with his armored tractors (for which (and not just for that) the IVS was rightly leaned against the wall). You count the denyushki and your FSE will fall into place. Pilyus- MANPADS from modern aviation do not help too much (you won't even see a piece of iron thrown at you, or you will see it too late). Therefore - offset in the hangover syndrome after NG.
      1. Udav kaa
        Udav kaa 7 January 2020 10: 38
        -4
        Quote: besik
        You were "poked", dear Kaa ... as at one time Tukhlachevsky with his armored tractors (for which (and not just for that) the IVS was rightly leaned against the wall). You count the denyushki and your FSE will fall into place. Pilyus- MANPADS from modern aviation do not help too much (you won't even see a piece of iron thrown at you, or you will see it too late). Therefore - offset in the hangover syndrome after NG.

        Yes, I heard all this more than once .. hi

        Oh, the Russian soul, how painful it is to hear and there is no access !!!
  14. Eug
    Eug 7 January 2020 09: 39
    +3
    As for me, the Su-57 needs a new conformal (or with an internal suspension, but not to the detriment of its characteristics) VZ stealth rocket, unified (an additional launch stage-accelerator for PAK DA) with a product for PAK DA, ideally hypersonic. Dagger only as a temporary option. I wonder what distance the runway will have at the dagger suspended under the Su-57 and is landing with such a suspension possible?
  15. shinobi
    shinobi 7 January 2020 09: 50
    +2
    I don’t quite understand, why the MiG is so close to the AUG? The declared dagger range is 1500 km. Departure to the target by GLONAS and inertia, so from where and from what range to shoot. At the time of detection, somewhere 30-50 km from It’s already working on the target, the RGSN and optical guidance are already working. Interferences will not help, there’s no time to shoot down or maneuver. Already late to rush. 500 kg of explosives in an armor-piercing form factor. The aircraft carrier certainly will not drown, but smaller ships will be enough for the eyes.
    1. Leha667
      Leha667 7 January 2020 10: 37
      +11
      All true.
      Why to make a highly specialized marine bomber under a single missile out of a cool airplane gaining air superiority?
      To let her go 300 km closer to the goal?
      So the 300 km rocket will fly by itself much faster than with the carrier.
      Delusional article.
      Just to scribble something.
      1. Andrey Gladkikh
        Andrey Gladkikh 12 January 2020 18: 22
        0
        Absolutely agree. Hitler also insisted on converting the jet Me-262 into a bomber. And while they were trying to convert a good fighter into a bomber, the war was over
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 7 January 2020 12: 28
      +6
      Quote: shinobi
      Targeting by GLONAS

      Do you think that NakedWe will be sniffing in wartime? Well, you old man, a dreamer !!!
      Quote: shinobi
      somewhere around 30-50 km from the target, the RSSS and optical guidance are already working.
      This is the range of the DOS, you were modest about 3 times about the RGSN ... And then, do not forget about the passive channel of the DOS - it’s the main one there at great distances from the NK.
      1. Voyager
        Voyager 7 January 2020 14: 25
        +3
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Do you think that NakedWe will be sniffing in wartime? Well, you old man, a dreamer !!!

        In wartime, Glonass will have the same fate as GPS
        1. Harry.km
          Harry.km 7 January 2020 17: 00
          +3
          Quote: Voyager
          In wartime, Glonass will have the same fate as GPS

          Do you know how you can simultaneously shoot down 30 satellites at an altitude of 20000 km? Or do you know about the presence of a spatially separated network of jamming transmitters with a 30 km grid? Everything will work, may not be as effective, but it will. In Iraq, jammers were suppressed in 3-4 days, and that was it ...
          1. Voyager
            Voyager 7 January 2020 17: 30
            +2
            Why shoot down 30 satellites at the same time? It is enough to destroy and drown part, there are funds for this. Moreover, Americans themselves admit that GPS is vulnerable

            https://freebeacon.com/national-security/air-force-gps-satellites-vulnerable-attack/
            1. Harry.km
              Harry.km 7 January 2020 17: 39
              0
              Quote: Voyager
              Moreover, Americans themselves admit that GPS is vulnerable

              Theoretically, yes, it is vulnerable, but how will all this be in practice? There is nothing to bring down satellites at such altitudes, so we leave this option. Then it remains to drown out the useful signal in the receiver. This option rolls when it is necessary to drown out the receiver which is in the coverage area of ​​the transmitter-interference. How to muffle a moving receiver at a speed of 2-3 mach? It is necessary either to mix the transmitters at such a speed or to have a coverage field that extends beyond the limits of the action of the WGOS and OGSN from the target. In fact, satellites are needed for inertial correction. Well, or at the final stage of the flight if the carrier does not have OGOS.

              So the capabilities of electronic warfare in suppressing GPS \ GLONASS signals are slightly exaggerated.
              1. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 8 January 2020 01: 53
                +3
                Quote: Harry.km
                Satellites to shoot down at such altitudes is nothing

                Dear Harry, you are not quite right.
                How do you think the Yankees reacted to the appearance of "satellite inspectors" in our country?
                And why did the amas howl about some kind of space "killers"? Then, we do not know everything about space-based lasers, directed energy weapons, beam and other weapons based on new physical principles, which the guarantor constantly mentions ... But we can assume that the Peresvet brothers became "cosmonauts".
                Quote: Harry.km
                Then it remains to drown out the useful signal in the receiver.

                We only know about Krasukh, because infa appeared in the open press. And what did not get into print while under the stamp?
                Therefore, the lack of information gives rise to a mass of the unknown.
                1. Harry.km
                  Harry.km 8 January 2020 10: 21
                  0
                  Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                  Dear Harry, you are not quite right.

                  Dear KAA Boa, you are very interesting in arguing your thoughts. Questions.
                  AES inspectors, if they exist, must also be launched and brought to the satellites of the GPS constellation. These are not low reference orbits, where you can throw something with a trampoline and it’s not stationary where it is difficult to throw, but the satellite is at one point (on the celestial sphere). Everything is much more complicated here, 30+ satellites, 6 planes. Even purely theoretically, this is on the verge of science fiction, and with a technical implementation, for us at this stage it is practically impossible. And this takes time ... A lot of time!

                  Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                  Then, we do not all know about space-based lasers, weapons of directed energy, beam and other weapons based on new physical principles, which the guarantor constantly mentions ...


                  I will not even comment on this paragraph, since we also do not know anything about the torsion fields and other death rays that Americans have.

                  Quote: BoA KAA
                  But we can assume that the Peresvet brothers became "cosmonauts".

                  We can assume that we can, just do not hear that in the later time the military would have thrown into orbit something that is suitable in weight for batteries from "overexposure". Here on the VO the variant with the aircraft placement of the batteries was strongly criticized, and you are already thinking about space.

                  Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                  We only know about Krasukh, because infa appeared in the open press. And what did not get into print while under the stamp?
                  Therefore, the lack of information gives rise to a mass of the unknown.


                  But the technical parameters of the signals, both GLONASS and GPS are freely available, moreover, dissertations are written on them, including on the noise immunity of systems. Everything is known, well, except there may be modulation (M-code), but such an opportunity for simple signal suppression is not needed, it is required to replace the constellation.

                  To summarize once again: There is no problem to block the static receiver. All blockers work, due to the frequency ranges used, at a distance of 30 km (line of sight). It is impossible to interfere with the moving receiver along the entire path! Neither we nor the Americans can quickly destroy the satellites of the constellation. So GLONASS and GPS and other "navstars" will also work. And besides, who knows if our rockets also fly by GPS? )))

                  PS Well, the last, about the words of the guarantor. What do you think, if we had the opportunity to destroy the satellite navigation system, we would not have been told about this in the programs of nightingale and kisilev? We listen to victorious reports on all fronts from the latest tank, to atomic planes and atomic rafts, and here is a real opportunity to multiply by zero, all not only strategic, but also tactical weapons of a potential partner and reduce it to the level of a sling and stick. That would be a real asymmetric answer. But for now, silence ............
                  1. Boa kaa
                    Boa kaa 8 January 2020 13: 45
                    +2
                    Quote: Harry.km
                    You argue your thoughts very interestingly ... Everything here is much more complicated ...
                    Harry! Remember the high-altitude nuclear explosive ... Radio communication is stalled ... Have you tried a vigorous (neutron) warhead? Yes, and their own will also fail, but the Yankees will remain completely naked.
                    Quote: Harry.km
                    AES inspectors, if they exist, must also be launched and brought to the satellites of the GPS constellation.
                    Exist and fail, though so far to the satellite in the main reference orbit ... And then. Do not tell me why imported tourists, when determining their place on Red Square, find themselves in the Moscow Region by navigator?
                    Quote: Harry.km
                    much more complicated, 30+ satellites, 6 planes.

                    It was like 27 ... And why should we crush everything? We definitely do not need Australian and African ... Let the natives orient themselves on them, do not interfere!
                    Quote: Harry.km
                    batteries from "overexposure".
                    The space ones will be isotopic, as they once stood on the Kosmos series. So, bulky drives, like on the ground
                    product or on an airplane with a crew (biological protection), in space are not needed.
                    Quote: Harry.km
                    at a distance of 30 km (direct visibility). It is not possible to interfere with a moving receiver along the entire path!

                    1. At the expense of line of sight in space. Well, definitely not 30km! Otherwise, the space echelon SPRN is useless! From the word - EVERYTHING!
                    2. So over the entire track and do not need. It is necessary over the protected object, well, say, over the operational area of ​​OS deployment, etc.
                    Quote: Harry.km
                    GLONASS and GPS and other "navstars" will also work.
                    And will they work correctly if, for example, the time delay changes or the frequency of the M-signals changes, or the ground station "suddenly" will not receive any correcting signals from it?
                    Quote: Harry.km
                    if we had the opportunity to destroy the satellite navigation system, we would not have been told about this in the programs of nightingale and kisilev
                    But don’t you know that they only say what they are allowed to talk about weapons and systems. It's one thing to bury the country 404, and it’s quite another to blab the state secret. Do not find?
                    Quote: Harry.km
                    there is a real opportunity to multiply by zero, everything is not only strategic, but also the tactical weapons of the potential partner and reduce it to the level of a sling and stick.

                    So this is what our Kulibins and Polzunovs are doing!
                    Yours faithfully, hi
                    1. Harry.km
                      Harry.km 8 January 2020 13: 58
                      0
                      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                      Harry! Have you tried a vigorous (neutron) warhead? Yes, and their own will also be burned, but the Yankees will remain completely naked.

                      Have not tried ... Who tried it? One will burn, next to which "bahn". The inverse square law of power versus distance has not been canceled, even by new physical principles. The question is, what are the means of delivering special warheads to orbit already?

                      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                      Do not tell me why imported tourists, when determining their place on Red Square, find themselves in the Moscow Region by navigator?

                      That's why I don’t know, I don’t know ... and the usual Chinese androids pretty well show the coordinates of the Kremlin and the mausoleum and the routes are laid and other navigation accounting works. You’ve told some kind of horror right now ...

                      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                      1. At the expense of line of sight in space. Well, definitely not 30km!

                      And where does the cosmos? The useful signal in the receiver is suppressed! It is suppressed by a ground station, stations must be located with a cell of 30 km or the antennas are pulled up so that they can be seen from space with the naked eye.
                      1. Boa kaa
                        Boa kaa 8 January 2020 14: 20
                        +1
                        Quote: Harry.km
                        ordinary Chinese androids pretty well show the coordinates of the Kremlin and the mausoleum and the routes are laid and other navigation accounting works.

                        On Red Square or near the Kremlin? or at home / in the office for hundreds of kilometers - probably still there is a difference !!!
                        Quote: Harry.km
                        and that there are already delivery vehicles for special warheads in orbit

                        Harry, you joker too !!! And there used to be. They are not heavier than satellites, so ...
                        Quote: Harry.km
                        The useful signal in the receiver is suppressed! It is suppressed by a ground station, stations must be located with a hundredth of a km
                        Similarly, the head of the IOS is completely blocked! Only the radius of 1RL257 "Krasukha-4" is about 300 km (according to open sources), and not 30. Therefore, a rather large area is covered, in which the enemy’s enemy firearms are blinded ...
                      2. Harry.km
                        Harry.km 8 January 2020 14: 56
                        0
                        Boa KAA joke you please!))
                        Radio waves in the 2 GHz band, propagate exclusively rectilinearly, which, given the spherical surface of the earth, gives a direct line of sight restriction of about 30 km. What other 300 km of conversation? Kraukha is suppressed by drones and other observers flying at high altitudes, and yes it does, it works for 300 km if it sees an antenna into which it is necessary to get an obstacle. With GPS, it's the other way around.
                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        And will they work correctly if, for example, the time delay changes or the frequency of the M-signals changes, or the ground station "suddenly" will not receive any correcting signals from it?

                        This is called spoofing or spoofing, all visible satellites of the constellation must be replaced, otherwise it does not work. And the frequency of the signal with or without an M-code does not affect the operation.


                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        Harry, you joker too !!! And there used to be. They are not heavier than satellites, so ...

                        So I do not argue that the SBS weighs kilograms, but the means for delivering these kilograms to medium orbit are being prepared for launch for months. And we have about 30 minutes after the cry "It has begun".

                        According to GPS satellites, there are 24 of them, 4 in orbit and 6 orbital planes. And 30+ is taking into account the reserve ones; I don’t know how many of them there now.
                        And most importantly, the carrier does not need to constantly pave the way for GPS, they fly by inertial. GPS for correction and then GOS captures and you need to jam it already.
                        Therefore, once again, suppressing once or even replacing the data of the entire constellation and holding the interference for the local receiver is not a problem. Your example about Kr. the area may well take place. But we are not considering this case. A rocket that flies to the Red Square already and without GPS will have a KVO of 50m.
                      3. Boa kaa
                        Boa kaa 8 January 2020 15: 00
                        +1
                        Quote: Harry.km
                        A rocket that flies to the Red Square already and without GPS will have a KVO of 50m.

                        So this is ballistics! But what about the A-235 !?
                        Quote: Harry.km
                        And we have about 30 minutes after the cry "It has begun".
                        And you do not assume "preliminary" preparation? In vain ...
                        What other 300 km of conversation?
                        About those in the open press. And what prevents such a complex from loading onto the IL-96MD and raising it by 5km?
                        suppressing once or even replacing the data of the entire constellation and keeping the interference for the local receiver is not a problem.
                        Well, why put pressure on your favorite corn all the time? It is necessary to reflect the first, massive strike of the IOS. And then - a matter of technology and resources.
                      4. Harry.km
                        Harry.km 8 January 2020 15: 38
                        +1
                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        But what about the A-235 !?

                        And what is wrong with her, except that she flies for 2000 km, who will fill her fuel so that she can take off for 20000, dial the first space, from the second turn it will approach the satellite, and so on ...
                        Dear KAA Boa, well, neither America nor the Americans have mass weapons for landing satellites in such orbits, and thank God!
                        Now about Kr. Squares ... There is such a story, the signal in the L1 range was replaced; this is the civilian range. The coordinates of the Vnukovo airport were clogged, this is so that the UAVs would not fly, since the coordinates of the airports are forbidden in the UAV. L2 and L5 were not replaced or suppressed. L2 and L5 are approved for use in situations involving risk to the life of citizens.
                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        And what prevents such a complex from loading onto the IL-96MD and raising it by 5km?

                        This is an option! But! The range of such a complex will be significant if you know exactly where the adversary is flying from, and you’ll get in the way of the GPS receiver, as krasuk does. And if you just make noise, then again, who will make some noise, the signals in L5 are disassembled at -20dB relative to the noise. This is without any spatio-temporal selection and other anti-interference measures. And by the way, now Americans are launching satellites with directional antennas. And most importantly, how many such aircraft do we have? Even if there is something like that, then they will cover Moscow, and all the rest one way or another to paradise))
                      5. Boa kaa
                        Boa kaa 8 January 2020 22: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: Harry.km
                        Rocket which will fly to the Red Square already and without GPS will have a KVO of 50m.

                        So it ballistics! What about then A-235 !?

                        Harry no need to fiddle! A-235 was mentioned in conjunction with the ROCKET, which will fly to Kr. area! What does the satellite have to do with high orbits !?
                        Quote: Harry.km
                        so far, neither we nor the Americans have a massive weapon to land satellites in such orbits ...
                        Harry, and why do you exclude the possibility of using, for example, the RS-100UTTH, which undermines the SBP at perigee (1500-1800 km), but there are also more "high-altitude" products.
                        Quote: Harry.km
                        if you know exactly where the adversary is flying from,
                        And what, 29B6 "Container" has already broken? In addition, Krasukha has “Harmonies”, which are engaged in providing detection and tracking of a wide variety of air objects and targets, determining their national affiliations, and automatically issuing track information for complexes of an automated control system.
                        Harry, you are an interesting conversationalist, but the page is not rubber.
                        Thanks for the substantive conversation. hi
  16. Yarr
    Yarr 7 January 2020 10: 21
    +12
    "that the Su-57 flying in the mode of following the terrain with the" Dagger "on the suspension .." "Dagger" is this an aeroballistic missile? How are they going to launch it in the "following the terrain" mode, ie. from super low heights? This is not a cruise missile, the Dagger needs a headroom and an initial speed of a few swings. Those. an attacking Su - 57 in this mode will have to make a candle before the attack, and then accelerate ... and why then hide "in the mode of following the terrain"? As it is not logical, I think it's bullshit.
  17. bars1
    bars1 7 January 2020 11: 03
    +4
    Quote: Leha667
    Why to make a highly specialized marine bomber under a single missile out of a cool airplane gaining air superiority?

    This is a question for the “clever men” from the Moscow Region considering such a possibility. Damantsev only tried to somehow justify this crazy idea. How he did it is another question.
  18. Operator
    Operator 7 January 2020 11: 40
    -2
    The Kinzhal missile and aviation complex has a total range of more than 2000 km and, therefore, is not intended for any breakthrough of air defense zones from the word at all. The aviation component of the complex serves only to increase its mobility (in comparison with the land-based analogue "Iskander-M").

    The solution to the problem of using the Su-57 as an X-47M2 BRDS carrier is aimed only at expanding the number of launchers, as well as at increasing the attractiveness of the export version of the aircraft by increasing its functionality.

    And yes - there are currently no AWACS aircraft with a radar range of over 600 km bully
  19. Aibolit
    Aibolit 7 January 2020 12: 38
    +1
    Lord ...
    From WHAT FINGER did he suck all this out?

    The icteric zachotny has turned out!
    wassat
    1. shahor
      shahor 7 January 2020 20: 18
      +4
      Quote: Aibolit
      The icteric zachotny has turned out!

      Well, where does such skepticism come from? I've heard that the Su-57 are going to arm Poseidon. To solve the problem of leaving the bases. In the mode of following the topography of the sea, it is very subtle, Poseidon will be dropped into the ocean. Details are being worked out.
  20. SovAr238A
    SovAr238A 7 January 2020 13: 40
    +1
    complete nonsense ...
    just some kind of horror.
    little of. that an airplane with this bandura simply won’t take off in geometry.
    so he can drag her only on a calm flight. Not a single maneuver can be accomplished in principle - for it will break
    .
  21. LomKuvaldych
    LomKuvaldych 7 January 2020 13: 42
    +2
    After the liquidation of the INF Treaty, it is necessary to make medium-range anti-ship missiles with a range of 3000 km, and not to charge an unusual task for fighters.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 7 January 2020 19: 30
      +2
      Quote: LomKuvaldych
      After the liquidation of the INF Treaty, it is necessary to make medium-range anti-ship missiles with a range of 3000 km, and not to charge an unusual task for fighters.


      What target designation for 3 spears will you do, are you our disease?
      On moving, and by the way, able to defend goals.
      which, in the case of the AUG, are able to detect targets at a distance of up to 1000 km ...
      1. LomKuvaldych
        LomKuvaldych 8 January 2020 13: 35
        0
        Satellites, drones, their own GOS missiles. Ships located in the combat area will carry out target designation. Missiles can be used not only against an aircraft carrier, but also against destroyers and missile cruisers. What stuck you on aircraft carriers? There are many goals.
  22. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 7 January 2020 14: 13
    +3
    But will the "cracker" be able to provide the accelerating speed for the "dagger", in that "sufficiency", as is obtained in the "instant"? what
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 7 January 2020 14: 25
      +3
      The dagger that exists now is definitely not.
      1. Lozovik
        Lozovik 7 January 2020 15: 13
        +2
        Review the video - the pilots in the school, the MiG goes without afterburners. Speed ​​and height are small.
        1. Voyager
          Voyager 7 January 2020 16: 20
          +5
          I can't judge from the video about the speeds and heights of using the Dagger. One thing I can say for sure, if this rocket is attached to the belly of the 57th, he will drag it along takeoff -> the "landing" of the MiG-31 is relatively higher than that of the Su-57. Yes, and in cross-section, the rocket will also not fit.




          In addition, the glider will have to be strengthened due to the design of the external compartments, and we will get the Su-57K by analogy with the MiG-31K - the aircraft will cease to be a fighter-interceptor. I believe that in the conditions of the lack of modern fighters, it is too expensive and pointless to send the Su-57 for processing on such a highly specialized aircraft.

          So if we see the Dagger aboard the Su-57, then only in the form of a deeply modernized and reduced form. Adapting new weapons to a new aircraft, and not vice versa, is the only correct way out in this situation.
          1. Lozovik
            Lozovik 7 January 2020 18: 16
            +3
            Quote: Voyager
            I can not judge by the video about the speeds and heights of the dagger.

            The answer was solely about speeds and heights.

            Quote: Voyager
            One thing I can say for sure, if you attach this rocket to the belly of the 57th, he will drag it along takeoff -> the "landing" of the MiG-31 is relatively higher than that of the Su-57. Yes, and in cross-section, the rocket will also not fit.

            You can make a proportion and calculate the dimensions yourself, the diameter of the wheel KT-156D is known.

          2. kit88
            kit88 7 January 2020 22: 43
            +5
            One thing I can say for sure, if this rocket is attached to the belly of the 57th, that one will drag it along the take-off

            What will it drag it.
            There are more places than the MiG due to the design features of the Dryers.



  23. mmaxx
    mmaxx 7 January 2020 14: 33
    -3
    How does the author know all such details? If the Su-57 carries the Dagger, then it will be provided for. Why speculation? First, you need to have the appropriate attachment points (2 pcs.) With the appropriate capacity and appropriate location. Then the corresponding transitional beam (in common parlance - a pylon). There are all sorts of blocks for this weapon. Thirdly, the aircraft must have the appropriate control units for these weapons. Permanently or removable. If all this is there, then the rest of the problems have been solved: all sorts of alignments, flight modes, etc. The modes are now generally simple. Everything is entered into the control system. If she can eat it all, then the plane will fly with such a load.
    There are also some guesses about the strength of the airframe. Nothing is known about the Su-57 at all. Judging by the fact that neither the MIG-31 nor the Tu-22M3 are twisting any aerobatics, the calculated operational overload (i.e., in fact, the margin of safety) there is less than the Su-57. I doubt that the Tu-22M3 is capable of any kind of aerobatics with a combat load. In the best case, he will steal 2 missiles instead of one from the Su-57. So the Su-57 will potentially be larger than the Tu-22M3. The takeoff of the MiG-31 or Tu-22M3 is an event for reconnaissance of the alleged enemy. It always means something. And there are many fighters. They fly back and forth. For what purpose, just go and guess. So the sense of arming Sushki with such a missile makes a lot of sense even if the design overload is 2-3. Let the rocket maneuver after launch. Why twist the plane when there is a rocket? And you can simply simulate the takeoff of the Su-57 with the supposedly "Dagger" to distract from the same MiG-31 or Tu-22M3, if you select the appropriate EPR for an empty aircraft.
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 8 January 2020 08: 06
      +1
      Gentlemen minus signers! Justify at least something !! I don’t care, but just wondering what the rationale will be.
      Here the opus below writes almost the same thing. Do you, in general, understand what a MIG-31 or Tu-22M3 is? From the point of view of aircraft construction, these are flying irons for solving quite specific tasks. They are not bad and not good. These are planes for tasks. Which they are called upon to fulfill.
      And the Su-57 is a new generation aircraft. For the present time, when it is no longer possible to produce a line of specialized aircraft. This is not even the United States can not afford.
      If it is possible to put the "Dagger" on the Su-57, then everything will be no worse than in other cases. The Tu-22M3 will have a huge range. And the MIG-31 has no advantages at all. There is no need to tell a fairy tale about stainless steel and high-strength steels. This was done to resist high temperatures. Technologically, this is complete horror. From the point of view of some advantages in terms of the attachment of weapons, etc., this is all an empty phrase.
      And if it is not planned to stage this very "Dagger", then there is nothing to fantasize. The question is: is it possible technically or not technically. If the plane has suspension points, this does not mean that you can hang them whatever you want. This is not a junk truck.
  24. Ivan is not indifferent
    Ivan is not indifferent 7 January 2020 15: 07
    +2
    the author is poorly versed in the composition and functioning of the onboard equipment of extreme generation aircraft and draws not quite correct conclusions
  25. Nikolai
    Nikolai 7 January 2020 15: 08
    +4
    I don’t know who there reported to the president about the weapons of the 57th Dagger, but it seems that this is complete nonsense.
    The 57th is not the carrier of an aeroballistic missile (one!), It is created for other purposes and replacing it (a tiny series) with the 31st from the reserve (tens) is nonsense. And then, Damantsev, the 57th will not accelerate the dagger to the launch speed and will not raise it to the launch height. And the rounding of the terrain at low altitude with a dagger under the belly is generally ... (no words!). And the relief is huge waves of a stormy ocean, right? Wake up
  26. Pavel57
    Pavel57 7 January 2020 15: 16
    +1
    First you need to get enough of fighters, and then think about impact modification.
    1. Operator
      Operator 7 January 2020 15: 23
      -4
      Su-57 is not a fighter, but a multi-purpose aircraft designed to replace the entire line of front-line (tactical) aviation: Su-34, Su-35, MiG-31 and Tu-22.
      1. Nikolai
        Nikolai 7 January 2020 18: 45
        +2
        And I thought that the 31st high-altitude interceptor, and the 22nd Eurobomber, was wrong ...
        1. Operator
          Operator 7 January 2020 21: 32
          0
          They thought correctly, but the Su-57 is similarly also a high-altitude interceptor and bomber with ammunition in the internal weapons compartment (in addition to the function of a fighter to capture air supremacy).

          The external suspension of ballistic ("Dagger", Kh-32) and cruise ("Zircon", "Caliber") missiles will additionally give the Su-57 the function of a missile carrier, the external suspension of an anti-satellite missile - the function of a missile defense system.

          Those. Su-57 combines at least six functions.
          1. Nikolai
            Nikolai 7 January 2020 22: 22
            0
            Then for what purpose is the MIG-41 being developed?
            1. Operator
              Operator 7 January 2020 23: 28
              +1
              I don’t know this.
  27. Old26
    Old26 7 January 2020 15: 25
    +5
    Quote: K-50
    Does he even see at such a distance? Or is it just the result of "mathematical calculations"?

    The Hawaiian modification D sees bombers at high altitude at about this range. Considering that the EPR of the MIG with the "Dagger" is probably not less than that of the bomber, then it is quite possible

    Quote: Yarr
    "that the Su-57 flying in the mode of following the terrain with the" Dagger "on the suspension .." "Dagger" is this an aeroballistic missile? How are they going to launch it in the "following the terrain" mode, ie. from super low heights? This is not a cruise missile, the Dagger needs a headroom and an initial speed of a few swings. Those. an attacking Su - 57 in this mode will have to make a candle before the attack, and then accelerate ... and why then hide "in the mode of following the terrain"? As it is not logical, I think it's bullshit.

    This is not bullshit, this is Evgeny Damantsev in his role
    1. Nikolai
      Nikolai 7 January 2020 18: 46
      0
      Holidays, hangover.
  28. Vadim237
    Vadim237 7 January 2020 16: 18
    -3
    This will no longer be the Dagger that the MiG 31 carries, but a new hypersonic missile, which is now being developed by the Tactical Missile Armament Concern.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 7 January 2020 19: 41
      0
      Quote: Vadim237
      This will no longer be the Dagger that the MiG 31 carries, but a new hypersonic missile, which is now being developed by the Tactical Missile Armament Concern.

      Where to get from? From the nose or what?
  29. litus
    litus 7 January 2020 16: 35
    +2
    The style of Damantsev from the first lines is recognized :-). That would be a fantastic novel in his authorship to read, it would be interesting! :-)
    1. agond
      agond 7 January 2020 18: 17
      0
      If in SU-57, by some miracle, the transverse partition that divides its bomb compartment into two parts is removed, then the dagger should fit in it and still have room. True, a wing beam passes through the partition and it is impossible to remove it so proto, but that’s a miracle.
  30. Old26
    Old26 7 January 2020 18: 42
    +2
    Quote: Vadim237
    This will no longer be the Dagger that the MiG 31 carries, but a new hypersonic missile, which is now being developed by the Tactical Missile Armament Concern.

    I see, I see. This is not this, this is different. TVR is only developing, and already all the performance characteristics are known ... Well, well
  31. Nikolai
    Nikolai 7 January 2020 18: 54
    +1
    Could not. Yes and no. Fornication is all that.
  32. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 8 January 2020 00: 10
    0
    Indeed, everyone was relieved that the Su-57 would go into production and the first fighters would already be in the army even in the first half of 2020.
  33. opus
    opus 8 January 2020 03: 52
    +4
    Quote: Yevgeny Damantsev
    Secretive "cracker" missile defense based on the Su-57. Project announced by the Russian Aerospace Forces

    Why comment here?


    especially ento
    Quote: Yevgeny Damantsev
    More than mAssistive and robust power units MiG-31K glider, made from stainless steel (50%), aluminum alloys (33%), titanium (16%) and composite materials (about 1%) are the best adapted for mounting heavy assemblies suspension with missiles X-47M2 "Dagger". Having a decent margin of safety, the MiG-31K fuselages will provide the Dagger mounts with impressive resistance to excessive loads that arise when carrying out maneuvers with overloads of 3-4G.

    1.Family: when the MIG-31 gave birth, then the X-47M2 didn’t even have plans for pregnancy: and they didn’t think of fastening anything over 500 kg * X, and AKU (AKU-33) and APU (APU-410) didn’t there was no instant 31st

    In September 1983, they took up combat duty in the Far East - at the Sokol airfield (Sakhalin Island)

    2. MIG-31 maximum operational overload, 5G (without dagger, essno) - in general. It's almost a flying iron, like the SR-71 (combat turn radius 38km)
    Su-57, I don’t know, but I think at the 8G level (with product 810, moreover, well, it was planned like that), but without it maximum operational overload 12-13G
    1 + 2 = here also consider / assume what counterfeit alcohol the author drank.
    / Well, well, to raise patriotism after the New Year, it will do.
    SU-57 will LIKELY be able to carry the X-47M2, without problems, without traces in the power frame "" ", but what does this have to do with the raving about titanium, steel and composite?
    "ancient" - maybe you will come out of a lethargic dream and explain to us boobies about
    Project announced by the Russian Aerospace Forces

    and by whom "ANANsirovany"?
    Alexei Krivoruchko?
    approx. education
    He graduated from the Institute of Management, Economics, Law and Informatics (2005), the Russian Academy of Public Administration under the President of the Russian Federation (2010).

    Profession economist
    2018:
    As it became known to Kommersant, the general director of the Kalashnikov concern Aleksey Krivoruchko is the main candidate for the post of deputy defense minister of the Russian Federation for armaments. Thus, he will be the first "non-military" curator of arms purchases for the army.

    good
    long, prolonged applause.
    Nephew be good
    1. Nikolai
      Nikolai 8 January 2020 22: 19
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      Whose nephew will be?
      1. opus
        opus 9 January 2020 14: 35
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        Quote: Nikolai Alexandrovich
        Whose nephew will be?

        very similar to:


        in Yandex, google banned?
        belay
        I give a hint
  34. EvilLion
    EvilLion 9 January 2020 12: 25
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    A radio horizon at an altitude of 10 km is approximately 400 km. So Damantsev, sit down, two. They will not see anything for 600 km.
  35. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 10 January 2020 09: 34
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    the “Daggers” attachment points impressive resistance to excessive loads that occur when carriers carry out maneuvers with overloads of 3-4G.


    Joker.
    The author is not aware of the limitation of overload depending on the load of the aircraft?
    What are 3-4G? Dilettantism.