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Media: KC-46 air tanker may damage other aircraft when refueling

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Although the KC-46 Pegasus refueling program was initially good, the U.S. Air Force is now saying that it will be years before this type of vehicle is fully operational. This is due to many critical design flaws, writes The Drive website.


These include, in particular, the risk of damage to the receiving aircraft itself and damage to the skin of the latter.

As an example, the article cites the case with the test refueling of the F-15E fighter, where the KC-46 refueling rod slides, walking along the body of the combat vehicle.

Link to the video on Instagram:



The KC-46 concept is based on the filling rod itself and a remote monitoring and control system where operators in 3D glasses sit in front of screens to control the entire filling process. Both of these key components, the refueling bar and the remote vision system, have not yet met the expectations of the US Air Force and are currently being reworked.


The publication notes that another problem that the KC-46 faced in comparison with its predecessors may be reflected. Namely, the need for much greater than before efforts to connect with a refueling aircraft, which can lead to incidents of this kind.

Some problems resolved


The fact that some of these critical shortcomings have not been eliminated, even now that the KC-46 has already begun to be supplied to the military, is the main problem, the newspaper notes.

Of course, the positive thing is that the KC-46 received the right to transport passengers and cargo again. These important parts of his task spectrum were limited for several months due to problems with cargo securing, which threatened with very serious consequences, including a threat to passengers and the aircraft itself. December 22, 2019 KC-46 with the eliminated deficiencies in this area made its first flight.

Although all this is good, The Drive continues, the main task of this machine is to refuel other aircraft in the air. Currently, its ability to do so in accordance with US Air Force standards is still under development.

The Boeing KC-46 Pegasus tanker aircraft began to be developed in the mid-25s as an answer to the military’s needs at that time. He made his first flight on September 2015, XNUMX.
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  1. Udav kaa
    Udav kaa 6 January 2020 10: 57
    -7
    I don’t even know what to write under the article .. Here we have Christmas planned in Russia .. Cheers to shout, or to dig trenches to run for the family? laughing
    1. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD 6 January 2020 11: 24
      10
      Quote: Udav Kaa
      I don’t even know what to write under the article .. Here we have Christmas planned in Russia .. Cheers to shout, or to dig trenches to run for the family? laughing

      Celebrate Christmas and don’t bury your head with slipping fueling rods ... Although you can dig trenches to quickly overcome post-holiday consequences.
      1. Udav kaa
        Udav kaa 6 January 2020 12: 15
        -8
        Quote: KVU-NSVD
        Celebrate Christmas and don't bother.

        The main thing is that people like you shouldn’t clog our heads and especially young people .. !!!
        Quote: KVU-NSVD
        Although you can dig trenches to quickly overcome the post-holiday consequences.

        No, we will come renewed and with renewed vigor .. We will chase you, otherwise you "rose" here again wassat
        1. KVU-NSVD
          KVU-NSVD 6 January 2020 12: 21
          +8
          Quote: Udav Kaa
          ..We will chase you, otherwise you "rose" here again

          Race a little short, drove a new
          The main thing is that people like you shouldn’t clog us up, especially youth
          How can you cloud a clouded one? It can only be clarified by filtering. Advice: drink only a pervachka, and secondarily filter through a gas mask, then the head will not clouding
          1. Udav kaa
            Udav kaa 6 January 2020 13: 23
            -2
            Quote: KVU-NSVD
            Race a little short, drove a new

            Well, I agree .. I do not have time to answer grammatically and deliberately ..
            Quote: KVU-NSVD
            How can you cloud a clouded one? It can only be clarified by filtering. Advice: drink only a pervachka, and secondarily filter through a gas mask, then the head will not clouding

            Well, here I am about it for young people here .. crying
            It’s easier to survive. When you scold power and praise the West .. Especially Israel !!!
            But I'm not like that ..
            1. KVU-NSVD
              KVU-NSVD 6 January 2020 13: 27
              +1
              Quote: Udav Kaa
              Well, I agree .. I do not have time to answer grammatically and deliberately ..

              Consent and recognition of wrong is a sign of clearness of consciousness wink So we’ll muddle him in honor of the bright holiday drinks
              1. sabakina
                sabakina 6 January 2020 13: 39
                +5
                Boys, stop it! You are not in kindergarten to measure sandboxes!
                1. Udav kaa
                  Udav kaa 6 January 2020 16: 51
                  -3
                  Quote: sabakina
                  Boys, stop it! You are not in kindergarten to measure sandboxes!

                  You are a girl .. here I got everyone already! Stop waving everyone in a row Vyacheslavv ... negative
              2. Udav kaa
                Udav kaa 6 January 2020 14: 08
                -5
                Quote: KVU-NSVD
                Quote: Udav Kaa
                Well, I agree .. I do not have time to answer grammatically and deliberately ..

                Consent and recognition of wrong is a sign of clearness of consciousness wink So we’ll muddle him in honor of the bright holiday drinks

                Well, Victor agrees! And then the showdown ... drinks
                It’s easier for you, but I shoot back here all the time .. laughing
                Will you go on the attack with me ..?

                And I would have pulled and the devil is not my brother !!!!!
                1. Aerodrome
                  Aerodrome 6 January 2020 16: 30
                  0
                  Quote: Udav Kaa
                  And I would have pulled

                  only booty meehan ... only booty ... wassat
                  1. Shurik70
                    Shurik70 6 January 2020 17: 30
                    0
                    Quote: Udav Kaa

                    Will you go on the attack with me ..?
                    And I would have pulled and the devil is not my brother !!!!!

                    In the future, robots will go on the attack (first minute of the video) laughing
            2. bar
              bar 6 January 2020 23: 30
              0
              Well, I agree .. I do not have time to answer grammatically and deliberately ..

              Sometimes it's better to chew. Silently.
          2. Sergey M. Karasev
            Sergey M. Karasev 6 January 2020 16: 30
            +1
            drink only a gingerbread man

            But only if you put the mash on sugar. And then he is not a fountain, he asks outside. And if it is on fruit-berries-jams, then such a pervachok will come down only as an antiseptic or an ice-freezer.
            1. KVU-NSVD
              KVU-NSVD 6 January 2020 16: 42
              +1
              Quote: Sergey Karasev
              drink only a gingerbread man

              But only if you put the mash on sugar. And then he is not a fountain, he asks outside. And if it is on fruit-berries-jams, then such a pervachok will come down only as an antiseptic or an ice-freezer.

              I prefer plum and grape, but you can also drive a "stool". The main thing here is to approach with love and the apparatus is good with a column, well, do not chase the volume at the exit yet and do not drive from an already outright shmurdyak. hi drinks
              1. Sergey M. Karasev
                Sergey M. Karasev 6 January 2020 16: 55
                +2
                And I, nevertheless, sugar. But, insisted on pine nuts. But here, options are possible. The devil is insisting. Specifically, in the ingredients for infusion and aging.
                Merry Christmas to you! hi drinks good
                1. KVU-NSVD
                  KVU-NSVD 6 January 2020 17: 02
                  +1
                  Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
                  Merry Christmas to you!

                  And you too, but remember that a lot of moonshine, even a variety "for yourself" is still harmful. winked But as they say in the famous meme "It's not for sure" .. laughing drinks
                  1. Sergey M. Karasev
                    Sergey M. Karasev 6 January 2020 17: 07
                    +1
                    So the holidays are already ending. The other day at work, so there’s no reason to devour, and I don’t need it. But tomorrow we will! Without fanaticism. Which I wish you too. drinks
  2. svp67
    svp67 6 January 2020 11: 02
    +3
    KC-46 air tanker may damage other aircraft when refueling
    Of course, those who did not pay for refueling, so there are guys with bits in the carriage for this case ....
    And that's who they have there now shouts louder than anyone that they have once again plundered everything, that education is "worthless" ... and so on.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 6 January 2020 11: 12
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      And now who is there loudly shouting about

      And no one screams, if you scream a lot, you can ruin the credit history, then not a single bank will give a loan to an unreliable person, and then there will be loans.
      1. Abbot
        Abbot 6 January 2020 11: 26
        +2
        It’s becoming more and more difficult to understand these American sources - either they whine and ask for money to finish their wunderwafers, or they really tell readers anything interesting about the development of their defense industry.
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 6 January 2020 16: 08
        +1
        I’ll tell a fairy tale:
        NSarkozy was dissatisfied (very) - they threw out the airbase from the contest, almost ready.
        in parallel with the Mistrals, the process was going on.
        Here are the Americans and slurp without Europeans - someone money, who problems
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 7 January 2020 03: 38
          +1
          I don’t agree with you that
          Quote: antivirus
          NSarkozy was dissatisfied (very) - they threw airbus out of the contest

          Sarkozy showed a rare naivete if he expected the victory of EADSa on Amer’s territory, although the A330MRTT is very good. Which, in any case, did not stop him from waving the amers further
  3. Gray brother
    Gray brother 6 January 2020 11: 04
    +5
    And why was it necessary to saw a rigid bar? Now, let the docking system be sawed automatically, as on a spaceship, only a bit more complicated.
    1. ProkletyiPirat
      ProkletyiPirat 6 January 2020 11: 14
      +2
      Quote: Gray Brother
      And why was it necessary to saw a rigid bar?

      As one of the explanations, I met "more fuel is pumped per unit of time due to higher pressure", but in my opinion this is doubtful, because with the classic one you can simply increase the diameter of the hose.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 6 January 2020 11: 24
        0
        Quote: ProkletyiPirat
        "more fuel is pumped per unit of time due to higher pressure",

        In my opinion, it is also doubtful that you will tear the reinforced hose of the figs. Maybe they just wanted to remove the plane from the tanker’s satellite stream altogether, but in my amateurish opinion, on the contrary, it will get to its very border where the sausages are.
        1. orionvitt
          orionvitt 6 January 2020 12: 18
          +1
          Quote: Gray Brother
          In my opinion, it is also doubtful that you will tear the reinforced hose of the figs.

          Yes, torn for a sweet soul.
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 6 January 2020 12: 24
            +2
            Quote: orionvitt
            Yes, torn for a sweet soul.

            But not from the pressure.
      2. Professor
        Professor 6 January 2020 11: 49
        +1
        Quote: ProkletyiPirat
        As one of the explanations, I met "more fuel is pumped per unit of time due to higher pressure", but in my opinion this is doubtful, because with the classic one you can simply increase the diameter of the hose.

        And why until now no one has thought of such a brilliant idea as "just increase the diameter of the hose"?
        Maybe also because with a rigid bar, it is not only much faster, but also more reliable? Do all the work of the operators aboard the tanker?
        By the way, the bourgeoisie and hoses are available.



        PS
        1. Thrifty
          Thrifty 6 January 2020 12: 03
          +2
          Professor, and then what is the bad old fueling system? Why do we need to install monitors, maybe the pilot also has to enter the code word three times to start refueling? ???? fool
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 6 January 2020 12: 17
            +7
            Quote: Thrifty
            Professor, and then what is the bad old fueling system?

            The professor simply thought that his idols were spat on.
          2. Professor
            Professor 6 January 2020 13: 46
            +2
            Quote: Thrifty
            Professor, and then what is the bad old fueling system? Why do we need to install monitors, maybe the pilot also has to enter the code word three times to start refueling? ???? fool

            1. Knock yourself.
            2. The old system has lower performance, and this is critical.
            3. The old system requires the pilot more skills.


            Quote: Gray Brother
            Quote: Thrifty
            Professor, and then what is the bad old fueling system?

            The professor simply thought that his idols were spat on.

            To spit on someone you need to be able to do something better than them. And in fact, the Americans have no equal in refueling in the air. I’m not saying that they are able to refuel all planes, but also helicopters and convertiplanes. You can only envy and spit.
        2. Obi-Wan Kenobi
          Obi-Wan Kenobi 6 January 2020 12: 17
          +2
          And why until now no one has thought of such a brilliant idea as "just increase the diameter of the hose"?

          They do not increase the diameter of the hose, but put a more powerful transfer pump.
          More liters per minute.
        3. Piramidon
          Piramidon 6 January 2020 16: 47
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          And why until now no one has thought of such a brilliant idea as "just increase the diameter of the hose"?

          Question after. And the diameter of the pipelines on a refueling aircraft also increase, along with the diameter of its fuselage?
    2. Obi-Wan Kenobi
      Obi-Wan Kenobi 6 January 2020 12: 15
      +1
      And why was it necessary to saw a rigid bar?

      Exactly.
      On the other hand, Americans have been using this system for so many years and it seems like everything suits them.
      In my opinion, the best thing is the good old OPAZ developed at Zvezda.
      Of course it’s not quite simple, but it’s reliable!
    3. knn54
      knn54 6 January 2020 12: 49
      0
      Put (if not installed) a laser rangefinder.
      Something "Boeing" completely began to give up positions.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 6 January 2020 13: 00
        +2
        Quote: knn54
        Put (if not installed) a laser rangefinder.

        The range finder is already there, I think, laser or radio. Just an automatic docking system is needed instead of meat bodies.
  4. kjhg
    kjhg 6 January 2020 11: 19
    +2
    On the one hand, of course, the idea itself is a good one - to free pilots of a refueling aircraft from the task of docking with a bar, shifting this task to special operators from a refueling aircraft. But, on the other hand, the pilot of the aircraft in place, with his own eyes, knows better than the camera operator. Moreover, pilots are different and, for young people, getting into the bar, maintaining the desired speed, course, parameter control is an extremely difficult task. So, if this system is brought to mind, it will be a step forward in the matter of air refueling, which all pilots can carry out without exception.
    1. Abbot
      Abbot 6 January 2020 11: 32
      0
      And they do not have one universal air refueling system. Moreover, each manufacturer offers its own option - the specifics of their defense industry.
  5. martin-159
    martin-159 6 January 2020 11: 23
    +1
    "began to be developed in the middle of the 2500s" This is in the sense of the XNUMXs?
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 7 January 2020 13: 11
      -1
      Quote: martin-159
      Does that mean in the 2500s?

      This is in the sense of the time period from 2000 to the end of 2010 AD. The middle of this period can be considered 2005 and the summer next to it.
  6. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 6 January 2020 11: 53
    +1
    The problem is in the software and the location of the cameras, as follows from the article. Refueling operators poorly see the refueling point of the refueling aircraft and therefore give the pilot inaccurate commands for approximation and corrections.
    Not such a problem ...
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 6 January 2020 14: 01
      +1
      Lyosha, are you talking about that? Well, let your ASes on the Fe-35 decide to do this! I think the fifth point, even yours is not iron !!!!
  7. Thrifty
    Thrifty 6 January 2020 12: 00
    -1
    The crowbar needs to be attached at the end of the boom, and for the tanker to hit the fuselage with the bar in series on the fuselage of the plane being controlled, incapacitating it! lol
  8. iouris
    iouris 6 January 2020 12: 14
    +1
    In general, flying is dangerous. An "advanced" technology is being developed and the first system may have some disadvantages. Finally, everything is learned by comparison. ("And we have gas in our apartment. And you?")
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 6 January 2020 14: 07
      0
      Quote: iouris
      Finally, everything is learned by comparison. ("And we have gas in our apartment. And you?")
      And we have a gas mask. And you?
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 6 January 2020 12: 58
    +2
    We have rules, the fueling technology is different.
    Chief pilot of a refueling aircraft! The crew of the tanker is given a passive role, to keep the course and speed.
    In short, there is nothing to compare, the result is one, a refueled plane! But how ... yes pof, by and large.
    1. Tiratori
      Tiratori 6 January 2020 13: 26
      +1
      Not so, this is according to the manual, but in fact the "one" is a tanker, and it only warns of a change in course, and you must execute the commands of the OPAZ signals ...
    2. Tiratori
      Tiratori 6 January 2020 13: 27
      +2
      And if you had flown at least once to this type of medicinal product - at least as part of the crew, then you understood what there are distances and intervals between aircraft
  10. Tiratori
    Tiratori 6 January 2020 13: 23
    +1
    You can’t even imagine what our pilots are doing with our tankers ... and I mean the wrong videos that go on the Internet from Akhtubinsk ...
  11. Tiratori
    Tiratori 6 January 2020 13: 24
    +2
    A system with a controlled refueling unit is much better, it requires more teamwork about the operator, because when you are in flight for more than 2-3 hours, then refueling becomes a very difficult task, especially on single-seat aircraft.
  12. Tiratori
    Tiratori 6 January 2020 13: 31
    +2
    A system with a controlled sensor has one of the most important PLUS, it completely eliminates the influence of flow turbulence, our cones sometimes go up to 0.5-1 m in different directions and at the final stage it is a game of darts ... in short, this :-)
  13. Tiratori
    Tiratori 6 January 2020 13: 33
    +5
    This article is from the section: Dumb Amerikosy and HOW ALL OF THERE ARE HORNOW ... laughing
    But you must understand that there are jambs on both sides
  14. Piramidon
    Piramidon 6 January 2020 15: 03
    +4
    As an example, the article cites the case with the test refueling of the F-15E fighter, where the KC-46 refueling rod slides, walking along the body of the combat vehicle.

    An attempt to create a "sensation" out of nothing. We also had a lot of emergency situations when refueling. Only in our regiment and the cone on the boom was brought home, and with the same cone they inflicted such damage on the aircraft being refueled that they put it out of action for a couple of months.

    In the photo, work on the restoration of the aircraft of our regiment, after getting the tanker cone into the 3rd engine.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 6 January 2020 16: 37
      0
      Quote: Piramidon
      It was only in our regiment that a cone on the rod was brought home, and the same cone caused such damage to the refueling aircraft that it incapacitated it for a couple of months.

      it was so...
  15. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 6 January 2020 16: 05
    0
    Can not be! The Americans have all the best: airplanes, rockets, tanks, small arms. It’s just that their Patriots don’t bring down goals, pilots lose consciousness in the Fu-35, but this is so, little things ... Really?
    1. Tiratori
      Tiratori 6 January 2020 18: 08
      0
      Does our S-300 bring down everything?
      1. Dzafdet
        Dzafdet 7 January 2020 14: 21
        0
        S-400 - everything that flies, even above the grass itself. Already the S-500 has appeared. Well there are Buki, Torah is. Also from them a sickly one can fly. There are really Poplar, Yarsa, Voevoda, Sineva, Liner really reaching their goals, recently the Mace has been added to them ....
        1. Tiratori
          Tiratori 11 January 2020 15: 09
          0
          Is this the opinion of a couch expert, or an officer of the relevant troops (no offense)? Personally, at the Ashuluk training ground, if you do not take the final conclusions of the exercises, a little such results, I do not exclude the human factor, poor knowledge of the mathematical part and all that is connected ...
  16. mamonthful
    mamonthful 6 January 2020 16: 18
    0
    Wow, the latest refueling and refueling pairing technology requires break-in and correction — that's news!
  17. Snigir
    Snigir 6 January 2020 21: 41
    0
    Well, if the problem is known, then a solution will be found .. drinks