Trump again threatened to strike at cultural sites of Iran

US President Donald Trump has once again threatened to strike at Iran’s cultural heritage if the Islamic Republic tries to harm the United States. A statement by the US president is quoted by the White House press service.

Speaking to reporters, Trump said that in the event of an attack on US facilities or their allies by Iran, the United States would strike at cultural property in Iranian territory.

They are allowed to kill our people. They are allowed to torment and maim our people. They are allowed to use roadside bombs and explode our people. And we can’t touch their cultural object? It doesn’t work like that. If this (Iran attack) happens, it will happen. If they do something, the response will be great

- threatened the American president.

Earlier on Saturday, Trump wrote on Twitter that the United States took into account 52 targets in Iran that are of any value to the Iranian people and will strike at them in the event of Tehran’s actions "threatening US security." According to Trump, the number of selected objects is equal to the number of American hostages held about two years after the capture of the United States Embassy in Tehran in 1979.

Trump’s fears about Iran’s possible aggression are linked to the recent killing of Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Kassem Suleimani and several other high-ranking military and politicians in Iraq. Then, on January 3, the Americans fired at a convoy near the Baghdad International Airport. The instruction to destroy Suleymani was personally given by Donald Trump.

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[Teberii]

The most "democratic and cultural" country in the world.

[alavrin]

A beacon of democracy, in short). Icon of our liberals.

[Pessimist22]

Who is stronger is right! Law of the jungle…

[bessmertniy]

To destroy the cultural values ​​of the heritage of all mankind, and not just the Iranian people, is the height of cynicism and barbarism. And there is no excuse for such things.

[Voyager]

I see that you are immortal, and yet the question is: what is more expensive, human life or cultural values?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Voyager

I see that you are immortal, and yet the question is: what is more expensive, human life or cultural values?

According to Trump, the number of selected objects is equal to the number of American hostages held about two years after the capture of the United States Embassy in Tehran in 1979.

Which of the hostages were killed? They were all released almost 40 years ago.

[Voyager]

I did not talk about American hostages.

In the event of an American attack on Iran’s cultural heritage, people will be the first to suffer. A lot of people will be killed. Then more. And I see that the top of barbarism is considered by many to be the destruction of historical heritage. In my opinion, these comrades have shifted priorities.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Voyager

I did not talk about American hostages.

But Trump is talking about this. He did not take the figure from the ceiling, but pulled it on events of the 40th prescription.

[Tank jacket]

A blow to Iran, if it takes place, will be a failure, as in Syria. But Donald will be able to fire another couple of generals from the Pentagon. Here is such a zagagulin (s)

[Tatyana]

According to Trump, the number of selected objects is equal to the number of American hostages held approximately 2 years after the capture of the United States Embassy in Tehran in 1979.

Trump is completely crazy!
By trump 1 American hostage, released 2 years after 1979, = 1 cultural value of world significance of the historical heritage of mankind in Iran? !!! Naturally, everything depends on religion!

Trump brings in the way he brings in radical Zionist Hasidim of the American-Israeli bottling!
It should be noted that in the USA they don’t know any other Judaism except Hasidism! In the USA, Judaism was developed precisely in the form of Hasidism!

Trump's son-in-law is a Hasid. Trump's daughter, having married a Hasid, adopted Judaism and is actively involved in the Hasidic women's movement in the United States ..
Netanyahu also has Hasidism!
And initially, historical Zionism degenerated into Jewish fascism.

[abrakadabre]

And initially, historical Zionism degenerated into Jewish fascism.

It could not degenerate, because initially it was a kind of fascism.

[The popuas]

I do not know the truth or not, the leader of the funeral ceremony of Suleymani called for collecting $ 80 million for Trump's head! In business ....

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Popuas

Leader of the funeral ceremony, Suleimani called to collect $ 80 million for the head of Trump! In business ....

For the head of Bin Laden, as far as I remember, American businessmen promised a hundred million. It seems that they did not pay anyone.

[Mordvin 3]

Mistaken by an order of magnitude.

This amount was announced today in New York by a group of American businessmen who announced the creation of a fund from which efforts to capture or destroy the international terrorist Osama bin Laden will be financed. The one who can "get" to him is promised $ 1 billion.

Read more at RBC:
https://www.rbc.ru/politics/15/09/2001/5703b2809a7947783a5a1e4b

This is after 11.11. 01.

[user1212]

Quote: Voyager

In the event of an American attack on Iran’s cultural heritage, people will be the first to suffer. A lot of people will die. Then more. And I see that the top of barbarism is considered by many to be the destruction of historical heritage. In my opinion, these comrades have shifted priorities.

This is international law. The death of civilians during an attack on infrastructure is not a war crime, this is a collateral damage. But to target cultural heritage objects is a war crime.

[DMB_95]

Trump, like most Americans, have a very vague idea of ​​the value of world cultural objects, because there are none of their own, and they never existed, and their entire "civilization" will not take 300 years. For them, the main value is the dollar and everything that dollars can do - oil, weapons, Afghan opium, etc.

[DenZ]

Quote: Voyager

In the event of an American attack on Iran’s cultural heritage, people will be the first to suffer. A lot of people will be killed. Then more. And I see that the top of barbarism is considered by many to be the destruction of historical heritage. In my opinion, these comrades have shifted priorities

It’s not a fact that you yourself consider idiots to search for priorities, as if they don’t understand that not only stones but also people will suffer during the US attack.

[Voyager]

People are responsible for their words and actions. So far they behave like idiots, it's their choice

[Olgovich]

Quote: Voyager

what is more expensive, human life or cultural values?

WHERE is such a dilemma?
Destruction of a dozen monuments in Iran will save .... at least one amer?

[Voyager]

In the minds of the VO audience, who are outraged about Trump's cultural values ​​and statements. While the slogans were circulated, they forgot about ordinary people in Iran and thought until they had to remind about it.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Voyager

In the minds of a VO audience

Bring this head: I do not see.

[zhekazs]

Quote: Voyager

about ordinary people in Iran and forgot to think

So what now, cry or what? Such is the stage in our civilization - the peoples of the world are at enmity with each other, like viruses in vitro.
Well, let it be hollowed ... Although some of the Xeros have eggs, they will get an answer in their cold, the same NPPs will do. How many millions of Muslims do they have there? And among them there are no trained and equipped terrorist bombers? They’ll get worse than September 11 and they’ll fucking with them, terror will kill terror ... The exceptional ones have somehow not been included in the population of our planet for a long time, it’s time to exclude part of their livestock by sanitizing, they didn’t suffer from wars, bad blood in bulk.
If only the whole tube did not bang.

[Sir Cyril]

Exceptional for a long time somehow do not fit into the population of our planet, it's time to rule out part of their livestock by sanitary cleaningdidn’t suffer from wars bad blood in bulk.

Aloizych, and everyone thought that you were in '45 ...

[zhekazs]

Go Trump, first say it, Sir Cyril ...

[Sir Cyril]

Why would I tell him this if these are your words? Trump did not say anything about "bad blood", "sanitary cleaning of livestock", "not entering the population". These are your words, Aloizych.

[Sir Cyril]

Despite the fact that the most interesting thing was that the VO audience had a taste for these cultural values ​​until Trump spoke about them.

[Po-tzan]

Quote: SirCyrill

Despite the fact that the most interesting thing was that the VO audience had a taste for these cultural values ​​until Trump spoke about them.

I wonder if the "couch riders", without Google, will be able to name at least one cultural value of Iran by name.

[Cottodraton]

Trump, like the entire American elite, whose whole essence is highly specialized management ... It is very dangerous when a country is run by swaggering, stupid showmen who have never read anything more complicated than comics. Politics should be handled by erudite people. At least a little bit ... Otherwise, everything will come to a big war because of the false confidence in one's own "exclusiveness".

[Cottodraton]

Audiences do not spit on a mentally ill creature - Trump, and indeed on the American establishment, which has long gone off the reels. And everything from Democrats to Republicans.
And bots like you, fanatically covering up this game, don't care either. You are annoying. This is not a shkolota from a swamp area, and your pathetic attempts to "talk about the great United States and co, bringing light and joy to all" find, to put it mildly, misunderstanding. Everyone understands that you are a Russian-speaking citizen of something ... You don't need to defecate in my brain with your low-quality Overtonian loopholes ... Demolition of monuments, as well as cutting out other people's generals, is clearly not a sign of "great culture and intelligence" .. . All. Your other arguments are ridiculous, as they are verbiage

[cradle]

depending on what kind of person. Some need to be shot like mad dogs. No remorse.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Voyager

I see that you are immortal, and yet the question is: what is more expensive, human life or cultural values?

For mattresses, neither one nor the other is of no value, since their main value is the dollar. As for the cultural heritage of the United States, apart from the inscription "HOLLYWOOD", they did not create anything valuable for humanity.

[Sir Cyril]

then, apart from the inscription "HOLLYWOOD", they did not create anything valuable for humanity.

You just created it, to put it mildly, either you don’t know or you are cunning, denying the obvious.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: SirCyrill

then, apart from the inscription "HOLLYWOOD", they did not create anything valuable for humanity.

You just created it, to put it mildly, either you don’t know or you are cunning, denying the obvious.

And what? "HOLLYWOOD" is what they use to cover up their unseemly activities and powder the brains of the whole world. They have nothing comparable to the cultural heritage of Europe, Asia and the East, which has a thousand-year history. USA this year will be only 244 years old! During this time, they have created cemeteries for slaves, reservations for Indians, concentration camps for the Japanese, military bases around the world, weapons (chemical, bacteriological, nuclear) for the destruction of people and created the most misanthropic management system aimed at ruining countries and absorbing their material and cultural values. Parasites in one word. If you can give other examples, enlighten.

[Sir Cyril]

If you can give other examples, then enlighten.

- Yes Easy.

Mark Twain, O'Henry, Mine Reid, Fenimore Cooper, Nathaniel Hawthorne, Washington Irving, Edgar Allan Poe, Lee Harper, Ambrose Bierce and a bunch of other American writers and women who pass, albeit in passing, even in our schools.

Actually, is American cinema not a culture? What's wrong with Citizen Kane or The Godfather trilogy, for example? What's wrong with "Taxi Driver" Scorsese? And Breakfast at Tiffany's? What about Roman Holiday? Why are these and other films worse than European, Russian or Asian films?

In addition, the Americans created such a genre of cinema and theater as a musical.

And the Americans created jazz - a genre of music that is now considered elite. As well as rock and roll (and rock music in general).

And Walt Disney world owes the animation in the form that it has now.

American architects became one of those who created such architectural styles as art deco, modernism and international style - the main styles of all major cities in the world.

Do not forget about science and technology (also included in the concept of "culture"):
- The first really working plane (Wright brothers).
- the first computer (both general and personal);
- human flight to the moon;
- flights of the American AMS to Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto and even beyond the limits of the solar system, which gave the world a tremendous amount of invaluable scientific information;
- The invention of genetic engineering.

During this time, they created cemeteries for slaves, reservations for the Indians, concentration camps for the Japanese, military bases around the world, weapons (chemical, bacteriological, nuclear)

- they had slaves, and we had serfs. They had concentration camps for the Japanese, the British and Germans "with a thousand-year history" - concentration camps for Boers, Jews, Slavs, gypsies. The "millennial" Russians have concentration camps for the Russians. Americans have reservations for Indians - Europeans have ghettos for Jews. The British, the French, the Dutch, the Spanish and the Portuguese had military bases around the world long before the Americans. By the way, chemical weapons were invented not by the Americans, but by the Germans. Bacteriological weapons were also not invented by them - even in ancient times, during sieges of cities, they purposefully threw decaying or plague-infected corpses into wells with water or threw them over a wall.

Americans are really a young nation. So what? They have their own culture. Both massive and high. Both obscene and very good quality. As in any other country.

[Nyrobsky]

You can make many films, etc. but you cannot duplicate Palmyra, or recreate the Bamyan Buddha statues in Afghanistan, burnt manuscripts in Mosul, the Seljuk minaret, the churches and minarets of Ibn al-Walid, etc. which is the property of all mankind. Trump threatens to destroy precisely those cultural objects that are unique and significant for the whole world.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Trump threatens to destroy precisely those cultural objects that are unique and significant for the whole world

A devil who cannot create anything threatens to destroy what was created before him.

It’s familiar, I know a lot of such devils here))

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Golovan Jack

A devil who cannot create anything threatens to destroy what was created before him.

Yeah. Only the devils, in comparison with the Americans, are quite decent guys, they just have such a position - damn Merry Christmas

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Merry Christmas

Mutually

[Sir Cyril]

but you cannot duplicate Palmyra, or recreate the Bamyan Buddha statues in Afghanistan, burnt manuscripts in Mosul, the Seljuk minaret, churches and minarets of Ibn al-Walid

- why duplicate them?

Trump threatens to destroy precisely those cultural objects that are unique and significant for the whole world.

- Trump said that he would hit 52 goals, many of which are monuments of Iranian culture. Trump is to blame for the fact that the palaces are used as administrative institutions or the residence of the ruling apparatus? No, Trump is not to blame.

[zhekazs]

Quote: SirCyrill

Mark Twain, O'Henry, Mine Reid, Fenimore Cooper, Nathaniel Hawthorne, Washington Irving, Edgar Allan Poe, Lee Harper, Ambrose Bierce and a bunch of other American writers and women who pass, albeit in passing, even in our schools.

To be honest, for its time it’s all poppin bullshit, now it can be of interest only to describe the mores of the past, purely from a historical point of view. There is nothing great in the works of these authors, as well as in cinema and architecture. The science of technology is all immigrants.

Quote: SirCyrill

They have their own culture. Both massive and high.

Himself not funny? Massive, yes - synthetic zhralov for the pigsty, sorry for the one who calls it culture. Although, sorry, there is a high, in the form of the fruits of a foreign culture, artifacts and works of art from around the world stolen.

[borberd]

It is ridiculous to read your attempts to belittle the role of Americans in the development of world culture and science. At 70-80 percent, the entire world culture develops according to patterns made in the USA. Just look at the number of Nobel laureates - Americans. You even write your comments on a computer developed by the Americans, on their software, on their protocols and on their own chipsets. It’s even funnier to read the statement that emigrants allegedly developed everything in America. Of course, because America is a country of immigrants.
Most of the local commentators, without Google, will not even say what cultural objects are in this very Iran, for which they tear vests on their chests. And what the ancient Iranian culture gave the world. Well, at least something of what I and you use every day.

[Sir Cyril]

To be honest, for its time all this is pop bullshit

- oh, well, yes, well, yes ... it is true, for some reason this "pop garbage" was translated into Russian by the classics of Russian literature, but where is their taste to yours, right?

There is nothing great in the works of these authors, as well as in cinema and architecture.

- your opinion of an uneducated amateur is of no interest to anyone.

[zhekazs]

Quote: Nyrobsky

weapons (chemical, bacteriological, nuclear) to kill people

+ Experience in the use of weapons of mass destruction forgot to add. The whole spectrum with. The Japanese have withered, used in Vietnam, in Yugoslavia. Bacteria on blacks in Africa have been tested. That justifies SirTsirill, his Fuhrer. Masks dropped, go, sire, kill yourself.

[Sir Cyril]

Chemical weapons were the first to be invented and used by the "millennial" Germans. Also in the First World War it was used by ALL parties, including the Russian Empire.

Russian Reds used chemical weapons against Russian White (as well as vice versa) in the Civil War. And the Reds used chemical weapons to suppress the uprisings - for example, Tambovsky. And the Soviet army against the Japanese at Lake Hassan.

Bacterial weapons were used by the "millennial" Japanese against China. And also during the Battle of Stalingrad, the preparation by the Soviet command of the counter-offensive at Stalingrad included successfully implemented the idea to call in the Wehrmacht epidemic of tularemia.

That justifies SirTsirill, his Fuhrer.

- I do not have the Fuhrer. The Fuhrer in history was alone and he died already in '45.

Masks reset

- are you always so pathetic?

go, sire, kill yourself.

- and you teach a story.

[Sir Cyril]

You have a fit of fever, calm down.

[figwam]

They are allowed to kill our people

Trampushka forgot that after the US invasion in Iraq, more than 500000 thousand people died.

[Olgovich]

Quote: figvam

Trampushka forgot that after the US invasion in Iraq, more than 500000 thousand people died.

More million man died in Iraq.

but to show the killed millions by the Iranian general (as Trump stated) no -NOT can, including trump.

He jumped insane, senile

[Tersky]

Quote: figvam

Trampushka forgot that after the US invasion in Iraq, more than 500000 thousand people died.

It's not just Trump. The whole history of the United States screams from the fact that it does not matter at all what kind of president is in the United States. It is important how much blood and "democracy" he brought to other countries. Probably there is some kind of secret chapter in their Constitution, which obliges every president to start his own war and commit an international crime.

[zhekazs]

Quote: Tersky

The whole history of the United States screams from the fact that it does not matter at all what kind of president the United States is. It is important how much blood and "democracy" he brought to other countries.

Not quite right. Impunity came after a geopolitical catastrophe, then the inter-party graters of amazement in front of its electorate began to hide with military conflicts. And appetite comes when it is known. And nobody has yet lit up the answer to them. It's only the beginning. There, maniacs - those too, with each victim more and more bloody.

[Letun]

But after such statements it’s clear who the terrorist is # 1 in the world.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: bessmertniy

To destroy the cultural values ​​of the heritage of all mankind, and not just the Iranian people, is the height of cynicism and barbarism. And there is no excuse for such things.

But is not Trump afraid to be left without his White House at best ?!

[Sir Cyril]

To destroy the cultural values ​​of the heritage of all mankind,

- we bet you only learned about this "heritage of all mankind" after Trump's statement?

this is the height of cynicism and barbarism.

- in any war, absolutely all countries to one degree or another destroyed the cultural monuments of the enemy. Russia is no exception.

And there is an excuse. If a cultural monument is used as an administrative, military or propaganda object, its destruction is completely legitimate.

[sabakina]

Quote: Pessimist22

Who is stronger is right! Law of the jungle…

There are many laws in the jungle ....

[prior]

Unlike Iran, America has no cultural heritage.
The country of criminals and adventurers who emigrated from the Old World.
Alas, nothing can be done about genes.
Local Indians know this firsthand.

[Evil543]

So they have stories for three centuries with a penny, a nation of immigrants. Therefore, someone else’s history and culture do not care.

[NKT]

They don’t know what cultural heritage is, they simply don’t have it. After more than two hundred years have not been made.

[Sir Cyril]

The Americans have a fairly large cultural background, despite their relatively short history. You just don’t know about him.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Teberii

The most "democratic and cultural" country in the world.

I hated Hitler until I recognized Trump.

[svp67]

Quote: tihonmarine

I hated Hitler until I recognized Trump.

And what, after that, did you fall in love with Hitler?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: svp67

And what, after that, did you fall in love with Hitler?

Now there are one more, four of them.

[cost]

alavrin (alex): Trump -Shadow of democracy, in short). Icon of our liberals.

This shobla was already moving. Leonid Gozman on Facebook thanked the United States for the assassination of Iranian general Kassem Suleimani. At the same time, Gozman expressed regret that "there was no one who would kill Stalin and Lenin."
Ссылка:https://yandex.ru/turbo?text=https%3A%2F%2Fvz.ru%2Fnews%2F2020%2F1%2F4%2F1016739.html&d=1&utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Rich

At the same time, Gozman expressed regret that "there was no one who would kill Stalin and Lenin."

As Lenin I will not say, but if it weren’t for JV Stalin and the Red Army, then I think Lenya Guzman would not have been born.

[venik]

Quote: Rich

At the same time, Gozman expressed regret that "there was no one who would kill Stalin and Lenin."

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I wonder what Gozman thinks about who would decide kill Gozman??

[zhekazs]

Quote: venik

I wonder what Gozman thinks about who would decide to kill Gozman ????

I would probably applaud. Look at his face, he hates himself.

[cradle]

kick the slanting idiot back to the mattresses

[Piramidon]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: svp67

And what, after that, did you fall in love with Hitler?

Now there are one more, four of them.

Four Hitlers ?!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Piramidon

Four Hitlers ?!

Yes, exactly four!

[svp67]

Quote: tihonmarine

Yes, exactly four!

Sori, well, for the sake of interest, people are interested in you. Do you love them all at once or in turn? )))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: svp67

Sori, well, for the sake of interest, people are interested in you. Do you love them all at once or in turn?

You can know them too, these are Minya, Donya, Adik, Borya.

[Piramidon]

Quote: tihonmarine

Yes, exactly four!

Surnames, photos are there? Post, please. I think many will be interested in who they are, these additional "Hitlers"

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Piramidon

Surnames, photos are available?

There are
https://histrf.ru/lichnosti/biografii/p/gorbachiov-mikhail-sierghieievichhttps:  https://histrf.ru/lichnosti/biografii/p/ieltsin-boris-nikolaievich
https://ru.valdaiclub.com/a/highlights/tramp-amerikanskiy-gorbachyev/
https://voprosy-pochemu.ru/pochemu-adolfa-shiklgrubera-nazvali-gitler/

[Piramidon]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Piramidon

Surnames, photos are available?

There are
https://histrf.ru/lichnosti/biografii/p/gorbachiov-mikhail-sierghieievichhttps:  https://histrf.ru/lichnosti/biografii/p/ieltsin-boris-nikolaievich
https://ru.valdaiclub.com/a/highlights/tramp-amerikanskiy-gorbachyev/
https://voprosy-pochemu.ru/pochemu-adolfa-shiklgrubera-nazvali-gitler/

The first link does not exist. According to the second, Yeltsin to Hitler, like Schweik to Napoleon. Hitler, no matter how badly I did not belong to him, united Germany, and Yeltsin (and his ilk) the USSR and Russia were torn apart.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Piramidon

and Yeltsin (and others like him) the USSR and Russia were torn apart.

First MSG. But all four are the same for me.

[venik]

Quote: Teberii

The most "democratic and cultural" country in the world.

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Especially about "culture" "inserted"! Considering that where begin "states" - there ends such a thing as "culture" !!! There (in the "states") - everything is there: both professionalism and business acumen ... But about CULTURE - There is none of it, it was not and will never be !!! Such here strange country!

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Teberii

The most "democratic and cultural" country in the world.

The main history of this country is the destruction of millions of indigenous people of America, the transformation into slaves of the inhabitants of Africa, the death of millions of Africans from the "culture" of "civilizers" ... That's all the historical heritage of the Americans.

[avdkrd]

Just gopniks. The most unpleasant thing is that such Trump's rhetoric finds positive responses from ordinary Americans. A nation that does not have its own cultural heritage is enthusiastically ready to destroy someone else's property. It seems to me that it's time to pull them up. Soft admonitions, such as "this is an adventure," etc. they cannot be understood. Russia and China should be much tougher to define their attitude towards ASP. The point is not love for Iran, but the fact that if the exclusive nation is not stopped, then the matter may end in a big war and then it will not be possible to remain on the sidelines.

[89625588851]

This is a gangster from a gangster. To be honest, it deserves punishment for worse than it was done with Hussein or Gaddafi, but who will carry it out ....

[Starover_Z]

Quote: 89625588851

This is a gangster from a gangster.

This is a huckster who became so after a turbulent, racketeer youth. From him wrote the hero of one of his stories O'Henry - "The roads that we choose" - "Bolivar will not stand two!"

[Uncle lee]

The bastard has grown!

[Retvizan 8]

Blackmail, threats, extortion, and this state claimed the role of the beholder and guardian of the rights and rule of law in the world?
But in reality it continues its colonial activity, only the framework of dependent territories has expanded to the whole world.

[edmed]

Quote: Retvizan 8

Blackmail, threats, extortion, and this state claimed the role of the beholder and guardian of the rights and rule of law in the world?

Exactly so, who has objections, well, roll them up in a tube ... and others may declare anxiety and condemnation

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Retvizan 8

Blackmail, threats, extortion, and this state claimed the role of the beholder and guardian of the rights and rule of law in the world?
But in reality it continues its colonial activity, only the framework of dependent territories has expanded to the whole world.

What do you dislike? The normal policy of the state, if someone else cannot do this, then this is his problem.

[grave]

Force gives rise to impudence and a feeling of impunity, permissiveness. When "any" state is strong it will dictate its will to everyone who surrounds this state. This is a normal phenomenon. And they shout about lawlessness "of course it is," those who cannot make their state stronger

[Kerensky]

If Iran works with someone else's hands, then its own people will not understand. Time passes, and they can just chat in various committees of various "formats". Issue a dozen resolutions and concerns. And there will be other problems ...
And don't talk about "revenge - a dish that is served cold"! Cold but not rotten!

[donavi49]

Well, on the other hand, Iran did not have any defenders. But already the British drove the shock Astyuds. On the feast of life.

Britain is ready to hit Tomahawks on Iran
London ready to strike at Iran in the event that the tension between Tehran and Washington, which arose after the assassination of Iranian general Kassem Suleymani, develops into a war.

As The Sun reports, citing a source, The United Kingdom will not strike first, but if necessary, it is ready to support the United States and deploy nuclear class Estuary submarines armed with Tomahawk cruise missiles. Nagotovo already has one of these submarines.

China, Russia and all the rest are just cautious diplomats with calls to behave quietly. As a result, if Iran gives an occasion, then Trump exponentially stumbles it with Britain, Israel and the Zalivniki. Khamenei will explode. They will arrange a second Iraq of 2003 model. The Iranian leadership has no particular illusions, so there is no answer either.

[Kerensky]

Well, on the other hand, Iran did not have any defenders.

And there is no need to "sign the lads" yet. Let them also tweet that they will unload all the tankers they can reach, despite the flag. And overwhelmed with iron The strait in fig. And there will be not the Persian Gulf, but the Gulf of Burning Oil ... You can write something ... Then the UN will quickly gather and Trump will be pulled by the leg of his mongrel ...

[30hgsa]

Iraq 2003 is a country that was already defeated in 1991, taxed by the most I can’t, and most importantly - whose generals, as the mattresses themselves write, were bought. But Iran, after all, can answer, the recent blow to the Saudi oil industry has not taught anyone anything about the possibility of Iran?

[donavi49]

There, rather, not the possibilities of Iran, but the armlessness of the Saudis.

Raman drones are assembled from sticks and a civilian Czech engine found on flea markets.

[30hgsa]

Yes, but the fact remains that in case of war the Saudi oil industry will burn for a long time, although the question is whether the United States is profitable. Even worse with Israel is the high population density, even if Iran does not have nuclear weapons, but where is the guarantee that it will not use another WMD or stir up the radiological warhead — they have nuclear power plants with waste, and the nuclear industry too — they wanted to make a bomb .

[zhekazs]

Quote: 30hgsa

Even worse with Israel - high population density

In the Far East, Barnaul is available, they have their own area there, they will go to explore. Putin quickly Depardieu straightened his passport, to the Israelis, I think, too, henchmen. There is only no sea there, you have to go to the Crimea.

But seriously, let's remember the situation with the Fat Korean. Trump then rubbed the corn on the start button, and Fatty Eun is still well done, he is alive and well. It is one thing to bang a single person, (and it is not a fact that it was not by mistake that the commander of the Iraqi rebels probably wanted, but it turned out how it happened - which he kept silent for a day, although it is no longer important) and another thing to enter into a full-blown conflict. All Trump emotional outbursts and subsequent bench presses are not so difficult to remember. Iran-DPRK-Venezuela, again Iran, rushing about in a circle, it may be unhealthy ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: donavi49

Well, on the other hand, Iran did not have any defenders. But already the British drove the shock Astyuds.

Where the thread there and the needle.

[zhekazs]

Quote: tihonmarine

Where the thread there and the needle.

What is the thread needle? Speak frankly - jackals felt a carrion. Must still come: the French with the Poles ... Only it will be like there, in a fairy tale, Akella will flinch. Jackals whimper home without eating.

[cradle]

you see, they’ll get a meal, then they’re also Uzbek. And Iran is not the second Iraq. You can’t take a hedgehog with your bare hands.

[Vadim237]

There will definitely not be a fourth Iraqi country from Iran and there will be much more weapons there, all US military bases, Israel and the Zalivniki will get to the fullest, all of their infrastructure is within reach of Iran’s cruise missile and attack drones, of which there are thousands.

[Sir Cyril]

The second Iraq from Iran will definitely not be a country four times bigger

and there’s a lot more weapons

- On Arming Iran even in the 80s, when weapons. inherited from Pahlavi was still relatively new, and then Iraq was inferior.

After 30 years with Iran’s armament, the situation did not improve much. And the Air Force is so decrepit.

[Rostislav Bely]

It already feels like a bluff ...
Congress wants to introduce restrictions on Trump on actions against Iran (decision on the use of armed forces)

[Ham]

looks like a tantrum ...
the United States as naughty gopniks - they were shitting and now they demand that "their people" should not be touched ...

[Udav kaa]

Well, DPRK Trump also threatened to wipe it off the face of the earth, but then he quietly removed his AUGs and is now keeping quiet!
There is a danger that Israel (the best friend of the USA) will undertake some kind of provocation in order to provoke Iran -USA-Russia and possibly Turkey into collision ... Nobody knows what’s running around in their heads ..
This will be scary.!

[opuonmed]

there is a nuclear weapon that's all

[Udav kaa]

Quote: opuonmed

there is a nuclear weapon that's all

It is not yet known, carriers are needed! But Eun is a serious guy and doesn’t like to chat .. That's all that frightened the United States and its satellites (milk cows of the South Caucasus and Japan))))
But Iran still wags its tail .. Hussein won over!
And this threatens Russia in BV .. Koso Arabs have been looking at us in recent years, to the joy of the Jews in Israel ..

[alexmach]

But Eun is a serious guy and doesn’t like to chat .. That's all that frightened the United States and its satellites (milk cows of the South Caucasus and Japan))))

Yes, nothing frightened anyone, they would have scribbled UN without question. But Eun is very convenient for the United States - under the pretext of its existence, you can deploy your troops in the region, just next to China and Russia.

[Udav kaa]

Quote: alexmach

Yes, nothing frightened anyone, they would have scribbled UN without question.

The war would have started on US farms (South Caucasus, Japan)))

Quote: alexmach

But Eun is very convenient for the United States - under the pretext of its existence, you can deploy your troops in the region, just next to China and Russia.

This is true and increase the contribution to the protection of their satellites .. With a promise to return the Kuril Islands, etc.
After all, this alignment?
Now they switched to the Middle East at the request of Israel ..

[alexmach]

The war would have started on US farms (South Caucasus, Japan)))

Yes, but firstly, it would end too quickly enough. And secondly, well, who are these South Caucasus and Japan really concerned about?

[Udav kaa]

Quote: alexmach

The war would have started on US farms (South Caucasus, Japan)))

Yes, but firstly, it would end too quickly enough. And secondly, well, who are these South Caucasus and Japan really concerned about?

South Korea and Japan are holding almost 3 trillion there in US treasury bills and are constantly putting everything there. How do you like this?
Plowing for 24 hours and no politics .. Only to Russia claim hehe

[alexmach]

Plowing for 24 hours and no politics .. Only to Russia claim hehe

Well, they will be washed off in the event of a gift accidentally flown from EUN and will continue to plow and invest while North Koreans will also join them.

[dauria]

And secondly, well, who are these South Caucasus and Japan really concerned about?

China and the USA. China especially. He is at the side of the base of a potential enemy in the future redistribution of a bone in his throat. Therefore, the Chinese will stand up for North Korea. Too strong a card, they just won’t give it away.

[alexmach]

Too strong a card, they just won’t give it away.

This, perhaps, is the most compelling argument in favor of Un, the loaf is vigorous and secondary, and there are rumors that he appeared not without the participation of Chinese comrades.

But there’s another question: how far are the Chinese willing to go to fit in with Un? Here's something tells me that as in the 50s it will not work out.

And the last most urgent question for today - is there anyone to fit in for Iran?

[dauria]

But there’s another question: how far are the Chinese willing to go to fit in with Un?

Do not forget the second side - how far the United States can go in this matter. Even the trade war with China is not sugar for Americans.
Who will fit for Iran - I do not know. But the fact that for China is strengthening the US position in any region of the world is undesirable - this is a fact. The Chinese beast grew and began to demand its share of meat. Demand, not ask.

[alexmach]

Do not forget the second side - how far the United States can go in this matter.

Well, in Yugoslavia and Iraq, it seems, they went quite far. But most likely they will exchange loud statements on Twitter and continue quietly doing nasty things to each other.

[edmed]

Quote: Udav Kaa

But Eun is a peasant serious and does not like to chat

Not what, not to be serious ... a specific kid behind his back, in the hands of a "volyn", shoots really not far and the spread is wide, will come to a showdown ... "lads" may not understand why they flew in, will start to bite on the godfather, but he needs it?

[donavi49]

1) Kim has a bomb.
2) Kim even without a bomb had the opportunity to harm the southern anthills, with projected casualties of hundreds of thousands to millions.
3) Kim has some kind of brainwashed army. And there is another plus, the territory. And one more thing - they did not participate in the battles. According to Shiites, there are extremely poor statistics in Iraq and Syria. Not persistent. They can’t even run together. Plus they sleep at the whole checkpoint, long and hard - why their babahs were regularly punished.
4) Kim has a pH, a bit more reliable and even seems to be up to the United States. If a miracle happened and the Korean god spent even 30kt to San Diego, okay even in Hawaii = Trump would be the first president to bring war to the United States since the 1860s.


Iran has:
- there’s definitely no bomb.
- extremely limited ability to cause significant damage. Prior to Israel, a maximum of 100-150 missiles of 1 ton warhead and another 200-400 with a lightweight to 250 kg warheads. At the same time, part of the missiles from 1 ton to Israel is stationary and from a third to half will be disabled before launches. To shoot at the Zalivniki - they are, of course, the beloved Arab wife, but they are not particularly sorry. Especially the Zalivniki will answer from Chinese DongFenov in Tehran.
- Damage to the bases is stopped. And in general, this can be distributed and all the details told after the victory (or even after the election).
- Parts of the IRGC and Persian vacationers showed themselves poorly in the GV in Iraq and Syria. At the same Samarra, a generals cemetery appeared. Where once a month the broads demolished the post with the general for inspection or undermined it.

[Udav kaa]

Quote: donavi49

Iran has:
- there’s definitely no bomb.

They believed the USA that they would not touch .. But there are our nuclear power plants there and we are obliged to protect them!

Quote: donavi49

parts of the IRGC and Persian vacationers showed themselves poorly in the GV in Iraq and Syria.

Here I do not agree, if not for the Iranian special forces and others .. It would be bad for ours in Syria!
Iran offered us its airfields to the military, for the transfer .. But they did it!
In general, it’s not the US that is squeezing it out, but Russia from the Middle East ..
We do not let them rob in full!
You do not persuade me in this !!!! I sense what and why this persecution of Russia, then provocations, etc.

[The popuas]

Maybe it is because of the Trump nuclear power plant that wants to bomb the cultural heritage ....

[Udav kaa]

Quote: Popuas

Maybe it is because of the Trump nuclear power plant that wants to bomb the cultural heritage ....

Israel, since the days of the Soviet Union !!!!

[Zebra]

Does Iran have any cultural values? We do not consider mosques and other objects of worship.

[30hgsa]

Jamaqran Mosque. The one over which the red flag was raised recently. She is more than a thousand years old. A little more cultural value than the Eiffel Tower or Big Ben, isn't it?

[Zebra]

Sorry, but I don’t have the slightest reverence in front of mosques and other churches, I’m an atheist.

[Tersky]

Quote: Zebra

Sorry, but I don’t have the slightest reverence in front of mosques and other churches, I’m an atheist.

What's so modest then? Write already that "ordinary troll", the people on the site will understand.

[Zebra]

Do you deny my right to freedom of religion? Are some Protestants denying churches trolls too?

[Tersky]

Quote: Zebra

Do you deny my right to freedom of religion?

Not at all, since you are an atheist with her (of faith) and there can be no freedom of her choice. Choose what with?

Quote: Zebra

Are some Protestants denying churches trolls too?

Unlike you, they are not "marked" on the VO resource for the purpose of trolling.

[30hgsa]

The question is not about faith at all. The question is whether the structure built thousands of years ago is worthy of great historical and architectural value of respect. From the point of view of an atheist - with dignity, he does not measure its value by means of a mosque or a church or a synagogue, or something else. The atheist does not believe in God, so he will not judge things by their relevance to the cult - but he will judge by their content and value. You really are a troll :)

[edmed]

For a person who considers himself cultural, it does not matter to whom and when it belonged, this is history.

Quote: 30hgsa

The atheist does not believe in God, so he will not judge things by their relativity to the cult - but he will judge by their content and value.

[sabakina]

Quote: Zebra

Do you deny my right to freedom of religion? Are some Protestants denying churches trolls too?

No way.

But for some reason everyone is trying before communion to partake of God. Already what M. Zadornov .. I don’t remember who, and then he converted to Orthodoxy ...
P.S. Of course you have a right. The right to choose between this and that.

[Sir Cyril]

But for some reason everyone is trying before communion to partake of God.

“Have you interviewed all billions of people to claim this?”

[BAI]

Do you deny my right to freedom of religion?

Your freedom ends where the rights of others begin.

[30hgsa]

The atheist and the durak are different things. (do not take it for an insult, this is abstract, not about you personally) For example, in the atheistic USSR there were atheists, and there were some shit too, but they were few. The Cathedral of St. Basil the Blessed or the Kazan Cathedral was considered a cultural value for themselves and they were not in church property, but in the state, like museums. For these are monuments of history, including for atheists. Actually, what is the "atheist" who does not feel food for a huge and beautiful structure which is more than a thousand years old differs from a religious fanatic who does not feel food for other people's shrines and destroying structures that are thousands of years old? :)

[sabakina]

30hgsa, yes in the USSR there was atheism, but for some reason they baptized children, went to church and even the most atheists, along with the slogan "For Stalin," were baptized as best they could when they went on the attack ...

[edmed]

Quote: 30hgsa

For these are historical monuments, including for atheists.

Quote: sabakina

30hgsa, yes in the USSR there was atheism, but for some reason they baptized children, went to church and even the most atheists, along with the slogan "For Stalin," were baptized as best they could when they went on the attack ...

[donavi49]

Well, then Riyadh and suddenly Jerusalem can be leveled with nuclear fire.

Well, the Persians have the ancient capital of the Achaemenids. An important place, by the way, is constantly being dug there, including teams of Western archaeologists.

There is a unique bridge in 1602 that will be destroyed, simply because it was unsuccessfully placed (there are interesting objects nearby for US strikes)

The ancient fortress in Bama. It's like a nesting doll - again, they are actively digging there, they have already got to the bottom of the Sassanids. Maybe there will be further discoveries, for on the Silk Road.

[Udav kaa]

Quote: Zebra

Sorry, but I don’t have the slightest reverence in front of mosques and other churches, I’m an atheist.

Cosmopolitan? Many of these have divorced, and bloodsuckers are whipping around the world ..

[alexmach]

And very in vain. Firstly, beautifully, Secondly, religious buildings performed in the old days, including all sorts of civilian functions. This is a story and it must be known and understood regardless of the attitude to cults.

[sabakina]

alexmach (Alexander) Culture and history? Are you kidding me? Yes, they have no nifuga except the Capitol! Mayan Pyramids? Mayan calendar? God forbid you to remember with them .... Only Taurus! And gold!

[alexmach]

But I do not agree. They still have all sorts of religious groups there (the same marmons, for example) very much affect modern politics.

[Sir Cyril]

Maya, what side to the USA, if they lived on the Yucatan Peninsula?

[Tersky]

Quote: 30hgsa

Jamaqran Mosque.

Not only, there are 22 names in the list of UNESCO World Heritage Sites in Iran, there are objects created in the III millennium BC. e. Take the same "Persian qanat" or "Meymand". What kind of Bigbens are there with Ephel ...

[30hgsa]

No, well, he was talking about "we don't count mosques," so I showed the mosque. So Iran is the most ancient civilization. The fact that there are only 22 sites from Iran on the UNESCO list rather speaks of the politicization of the UN - the early-maturing United States has 23 sites on the list :) (although there are mostly national parks :)

[Sir Cyril]

So Iran is the oldest civilization - ancient Persia (and even then not the oldest), and Islamic Iran is even younger.

[Sir Cyril]

Not the oldest *

[30hgsa]

Well, that means modern secular Russian civilization is 29 years old. If we do not take into account anything that came before.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Zebra

Does Iran have any cultural values? We do not consider mosques and other objects of worship.

The oldest civilization in the world.

[Sir Cyril]

With what fright is Islamic Iran the oldest civilization in the world?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: SirCyrill

With what fright is Islamic Iran the oldest civilization in the world?

Well, who else is older?

[Sir Cyril]

Even if we take the civilization of Ancient Persia, to which modern Iran has little more than nothing to do, then even it is not "ancient".

Ancient Egypt, Ancient China, the Indus Valley civilization, the culture of Chatal Huyuk, the ancient Sumerian and Babylonian civilizations, the Minoan civilization, the Cretan-Mycenaean civilization and a bunch of others were much, several millennia older than the "ancient" Persian civilization.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: SirCyrill

Ancient Egypt, Ancient China

Iran (Persia) and China are alive, and the others have long since disappeared, just like the Khazars, Polovtsians, and many other civilizations.

[Sir Cyril]

and what, what are they missing? The fact is that pre-Islamic Iran is not an ancient civilization, contrary to what you said. And Islamic Iran, which has almost nothing to do with ancient Iran, especially as civilization is not very old.

[Sir Cyril]

Modern Islamic Iran to Ancient Persia has a very indirect relationship. And it is strange that you mentioned only China. India, Japan, South Korea, Thailand have a much longer history than Islamic Iran.

[30hgsa]

Well then, modern China is not related to ancient China, the same applies to modern Russia, modern Germany, modern France. As for Japan - thanks neighing, they have such an ancient civilization, well, so ancient .. The first mention in the sources is later than Rome.

[novel66]

a strange way to fight is to hit not at military targets but at cultural values.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: novel xnumx

a strange way to fight is not to hit military targets but cultural values

This has already passed from 1941 to 1945. The time is different, the method is the same.

[cradle]

somewhere we already passed it? .. The siege of Leningrad, for example ... something wafted alozychem ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: besik

The siege of Leningrad, for example ... something blew alozychim ...

You can remember about Dresden.

[cradle]

You need to remember about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and a lot of other things can be woven into a string ... Here, fascism pulls off.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: besik

Here otkel fascism pulls.

Beginning of July 4, 1776

[Sir Cyril]

Trump has not said anywhere that a blow will be inflicted on cultural monuments due to the fact that they are cultural monuments.

Ancient palaces are used as administrative institutions.

Mosques are used as centers for the indoctrination of the population.

Naturally, destroying the palace as an administrative object will automatically destroy it as a cultural monument.

The Reichstag was also a great monument of German architecture. This did not prevent the Soviet troops from shelling it and turning it into ruins.

[novel66]

repent it is time ??? to Kolya!

[Sir Cyril]

What to repent of? Do I really condemn the USSR somewhere for the destruction of the Reichstag? I simply cited it as an example of the fact that during the war the destruction of cultural monuments was always and for all.

[30hgsa]

Horror. How dare the Iranians on their land use their homes to indoctrinate their people! The Reichstag became a target after Hitler Germany attacked the USSR, but tell me when did Iran attack the USA? Did you even count in kilometers how many there are from Iran to the USA?

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

They wrap them in a baboon ...

[novel66]

Babin is in Germany

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Bobbin (from French bobine - coil) - a coil on which flexible material is wound - film, magnetic tape, rope, wire, cable, tape (although for the latter the term roll is more precise), etc.

[novel66]

and Babin (or babes) here

[opuonmed]

Well, see what happens)

[babylon]

It is necessary to lease several nuclear charges with delivery vehicles to Iran on the territory of Russia, and the problem will be solved if it pays for all costs and if not, then only payment for intimidating the enemy

[Zebra]

If you use then there will be no one to pay. Think before another stupidity blurt out.

[cradle]

Well, if my grandmother ... therefore - not so stupid

[svp67]

They are allowed to kill our people. They are allowed to torment and maim our people. They are allowed to use ... bombs and blow up our people.

This Trump definitely said about the actions of the Americans ...
In the meantime, in Venezuela, Guaido lost his post as speaker of parliament and "the king became even more naked" ... Yes, a completely democratically supporter of Maduro has been elected to the post of speaker

[HAM]

In America, there is only one "cultural value" - Fort Knox .... the rest is a looted foreign history.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: HAM

There is only one "cultural value" in America - Fort Knox ..

Rather, "the value of human greed."

[Al Asad]

Quote: Pessimist22

Who is stronger is right! Law of the jungle…

Only for these strong is the Law of the Jungle something special.
Maybe it's time to teach them a little less outlaw, otherwise this chaos on the part of the USA will last forever

[Reserve buildbat]

Chubaty decided to avenge airstrikes for the killed Ishilov’s? This is to be expected. Torgash seeks to minimize its financial losses.

[Air force]

Yeah, if someone did not know what a real hutspa was, Trump showed it. And if in the case, then it seems to me that is preparing the way for the next blow. If even the attacks do not follow, then who cares, they will do it themselves (or even not bother, say they were preparing a terrorist attack) and launch another missile strike to drive this new practice against Iran into everyday life.

[Severok]

A state built by criminals, slaveholders and murderers lives and imposes the laws of the underworld on the planet.

[Al Asad]

Does the United States win over from failure in Iran 40 years later?
This is a class !!!!

[sabakina]

They are allowed to use roadside bombs

Is he about a plantain plant or something? Yes, and who allowed it to them?

And we can’t touch their cultural object?

Well, sincerely, the cultural object of surrender cannot give ...

[Rakovor]

Quote: Zebra

I'm an atheist.

You are not an atheist, you are, to put it mildly, not too smart.))

[Uran53]

The Yankees act in the BV as occupiers, and so they are treated like that. What did they want? Especially after Racca and Mosul. And it’s always easier to fight the civilian population in the traditions of the naglosaksev.

[KVU-NSVD]

The Taliban destroyed the monuments, the Ishilovites destroyed, now the Americans are threatening. This will put themselves on the same line with them, and they will sow such hatred among the worshipers of these shrines that not a single bombardment of strategic targets will cause. For the first is just an act of war, and the second is an attempt on value foundations. If the former can lead to a regime change in Iran, the latter will only rally and incite hatred.

[Sir Cyril]

The Taliban destroyed the monuments, the Ishilovites destroyed, now the Americans are threatening. This will put themselves in the same line with them.

- cultural monuments including Russia destroyed. Both at home and in other countries. And not only during wars.

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: SirCyrill

the line
- cultural monuments including Russia destroyed. Both at home and in other countries. And not only during wars.

It happened at home - there are periods of insanity in any country, but in other countries where? Something I do not recall serious examples ... Maybe refresh my memory?

[Sir Cyril]

Konigsberg castle was destroyed, for example. And in Helsinki during the bombing of Soviet aircraft, cultural monuments also suffered. One of the significant losses is considered to be a bomb hit at the University of Helsinki, which destroyed most of the collection of the museum of medicine and severely damaged one of the best marble bas-reliefs of Väinö Aaltonen, Freedom crowns youth (“Vapaus seppelöi nuoruuden”.

[KVU-NSVD]

You still forgot about the destroyed Reichstag. And I thought that something interesting write. Is your name Kolya from Urengoy?

[Sir Cyril]

You still forgot about the destroyed Reichstag

- By the way, yes, I forgot, quite a good example.

And I thought something interesting write

- I wrote specific examples of the destruction by our country of cultural monuments of another country. Is it interesting to you or not - your problems.

Is your name Kolya from Urengoy?

- my name is indicated on my profile.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: SirCyrill

One of the significant losses is considered to be a bomb at the University of Helsinki, which destroyed most of the collection of the museum of medicine and severely damaged one of the best marble bas-reliefs of Väinö Aaltonen,

The memoirs of the commander of the ADD to help, or even it is clear that you finished school 13 years ago.

[Sir Cyril]

Memoirs of the commander of the ADD to help

- and what will they give? Is there a bomb hit at the University of Helsinki? There is. Is there a loss of a medical museum? there is. Is there a fact of bas-relief damage? There is.

[7gor]

Quite off the coils !

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

The war of cultures - what was previously hidden, Trump voiced ... Deprive the people of their history and do with them what you want - this is the logic of the American-Jewish oligarchic mentality (not to be confused with Judaism - there is God's chosen people, here they are chosen by the dollar from God's chosen ones). True, the war of cultures is not only the destruction of cultural objects in Iran, but the beginning of the destruction of universal human values. Following the destruction of the mosque in Iran, the destruction of the Statue of Liberty may follow, and the bas-reliefs of American presidents on the rock, cultural objects of the Jews (Trump considers himself a Jew?) ... But those chosen by the dollar do not even think that this war will affect them themselves! Why is the "standard of world culture" Europe silent? Probably tolerance, according to them -tolerance, does not allow "talking" against the owners who can destroy their quiet and stable abode ????

[Finn]

Iran, let them blow up in America all their objects of national heritage and culture: McDonald's and Facebook. A third of starvation will die and another third will commit suicide without a social network.

[Gennady Fomkin]

What’s the first time?

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Finn

Iran, let them blow up in America all their objects of national heritage and culture: McDonald's and Facebook. A third of starvation will die and another third will commit suicide without a social network.

Even from the sanctions they didn’t worry about it all this time.

[Arthur 85]

Hmm. There was a better opinion of Trump. What culture did not please? And so historians are tearing their hair - how many cultural values ​​have perished in wars ... Barbaras, what can I say.

[Sir Cyril]

Trump did not say anywhere that the Americans will purposefully bomb cultural monuments simply because they are cultural monuments. It’s just, you see, ancient palaces are used as administrative institutions, mosques are used as recruiting points, etc.

[cniza]

And we can’t touch their cultural object? It doesn’t work like that.

Cave President or just pretending to be?

[Site Reader]

Trump is still a lover of loud statements. With enviable regularity, he threatens on Twitter with crushing blows to the DPRK, then to Iran, then to Venezuela.

[AleksPol]

Vandal! Like the whole nation

[iuocsfyu]

Persians professed a religion that is 500 years older than Judaism - Zoroastrianism. Today, Iranian Muslims have almost (who could be saved — they just live in communities in the USA and Canada) exterminated the Zoroastastrians remaining in Iran and to this day destroy their cultural heritage wherever they find it. Not all Iranian Basijs attacking the USA blather about cultural values.

Well, in general, this principle is not news. Moreover, Iranians should not throw stones at someone else’s house if they themselves live in a glass house.

[evgen1221]

And the states live well because of a fake test tube, they smashed the country, killed millions, rob, and Iran, Mars, and anyone else are to blame for all this. And touch them right away, sanctions, squeals, squeaks, threats.

[Astronaut]

Trump's fears about possible aggression by Iran are related to the recent murder in Iraq of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Kassem Suleymani

It seems to be a businessman, i.e. a person who is not stupid should be, but he is talking nonsense. He thought that he would be disgraceful, and the "answer" would not come?

[Qwertyarion]

. Donald Trump once again threatened to strike at Iran’s cultural heritage sites,

Mutant in one word.

[Sir Cyril]

It's funny to read comments like "American barbarians don't have their own culture, so they bomb someone else's."

Gentlemen who leave such comments should turn a little to the history of their native country. More recent. We will see:

Konigsberg Castle. At the end of the war, the castle burned down (in August 1944 during a raid by Anglo-American aircraft and in April 1945 during the assault on Koenigsberg), but the main towers and walls were still preserved by 1956. Despite the protests, in 1967, by decision of the First Secretary of the Regional Committee of the CPSU Nikolai Konovalov castle ruins were blown up

And here are the results of the bombing of the city of Helsinki by Soviet troops:

The city of Helsinki preserves as a memory of the war numerous damage by fragments on the monuments: to JV Snellman in front of the Finnish Bank and the Three Blacksmiths. One of the significant losses is considered to be a bomb at the University of Helsinki, which destroyed most of the collection of the museum of medicine and severely damaged one of the best marble bas-reliefs of Väinö Aaltonen, Freedom crowns youth (“Vapaus seppelöi nuoruuden”.

The damaged work was transferred in 1945 to the Helsinki University adjacent to the main hall, and the recreated copy took its original place in the main hall in 1959.

The painting of Eero Järnefelt, depicting the activities of the secret society "Aurora", which existed at the end of the XVIII century [18], was lost.

And how many cultural monuments were destroyed in the same USSR for ideological reasons - not to count. Well, for example:

- Sukharev tower;
- Simonov monastery;
- Red Gate;
- Holy Monastery
- Kazan Cathedral
- House of Rachmaninov.

In general, the number of such destroyed monuments reached hundreds in different cities. Churches were especially hit. This, of course, was not only under the Soviets, but also in pre-revolutionary and post-Soviet times.

As for the export of "trophy" cultural values, you can also learn a lot from the history of your country. For instance:

After the unconditional surrender of Germany, the Soviet Union for several years carried out uncontrolled removal of both Soviet and German art from the zone of occupation. The Soviet authorities proceeded from the fact that the right to compensation was recognized by the other victorious powers and was not in doubt. Until 1952, approximately from Germany to the USSR were exported 900 pieces of art

I am writing all this not in order to groan Russia (I am calm about the destruction of cultural monuments during the war - war is war, there is no time for beauties and monuments), but so that some people simply have no illusions that this is only " Naglo-Saxons "do it.

[NF68]

America came to civilization bypassing culture. Very accurate and relevant statement today.

[Sir Cyril]

absolutely meaningless statement of people who in cultural science do not understand anything.

[NF68]

Quote: SirCyrill

absolutely meaningless statement of people who in cultural science do not understand anything.

Well yes. Where is Poincare before you.

[Sir Cyril]

Poincare was a mathematician and physicist, not a culturologist - that's why I say that this is a statement of a person who in cultural science does not understand anything.

[NF68]

Quote: SirCyrill

Poincare was a mathematician and physicist, not a culturologist - that's why I say that this is a statement of a person who in cultural science does not understand anything.

In order to make a contribution to science, such as Poincare, one must be a diversified person.

[pexotinec]

So soon the bombs will explode in the states themselves

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: SirCyrill

and what, what are they missing? The fact is that pre-Islamic Iran is not an ancient civilization, contrary to what you said. And Islamic Iran, which has almost nothing to do with ancient Iran, especially as civilization is not very old.

Replacing the name Persia with Iran turned out to be quite natural, because the locals of the times of the ancient Hellenes were by no means Parses, but Arians - that is what they called themselves. The Parses did not live in this, but in neighboring areas. The oldest name of Iran, or rather, the self-name given by the locals, was written as “Aryānām”, which translates as “Aryan land”. In later times, the locals referred to it as “Erānšahr”, because by the 3rd century BC, some changes had taken place in the dialect of the people living here. Even later, the lands along the Persian Gulf were called "Eran", and further - "Iran", as they are commonly called today.



The question regarding the last renaming, or rather, the transformation of Persia into Iran, is based on several assumptions. The main one is the initiative of the Iranian ambassador, who worked in Germany. The trends of that time did not pass by his attention, he decided that Iran would sound proudly, emphasizing the Aryan roots of the inhabitants of this country. As a result, in 1935 the state was really renamed. As usual, the innovation did not suit everyone - almost immediately there were minds opposing such an approach. As a result, in 1959, Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi made a statement that both options were relevant. Since then, in international relations, the country could be called both Iran and Persia. Over the years, the relevance of the old name began to fade, in the news bulletins, messages published in European countries, they began to actively use the laconic name Iran. Today, not every person can confidently say whether it is true that Persia and Iran are one and the same country. So, study student

[Sir Cyril]

And here is the renaming of Persia to Iran? I'm not talking about that at all. Ancient Persia has the same relation to Islamic Iran as Islamic Egypt to ancient Egypt, and modern Mexico to the Aztec empire. This is a completely different culture - a different language, another religion, a different state structure, architecture, art, etc.

[Gennady Fomkin]

"C'est plus qu'un crime, c 'est une faute" - "It is more than a crime: it is a mistake."

Bule de la Merth, Chairman of the Legislative Commission of the time of Napoleon Bonaparte

[Gennady Fomkin]

The new commander of the IRGC forces of Iran, General Ismail Kaani, confirmed: "We appeal to everyone, be patient and you will see the corpses of Americans throughout the Middle East." Trump has not felt anything yet?

[Gennady Fomkin]

And leaving the United States from Iraq means admitting that Bush Jr.’s gamble, launched in 2003, that trillions of dollars have been spent on, has failed (Trump said). That after the crisis of the “Arab spring”, launched by the Yankees to destabilize and chaotize the region, they still have “zero without a stick”. And, as one expert noted: “This completely destroys their contour of action in the Middle East. If the presence in Iraq is lost, and given the complications with Turkey, the United States will immediately lose its support axis for work in the Middle East. In the event of such a loss, all US forces will be concentrated in Jordan, Kuwait and the countries of the Arabian Peninsula. And this is almost completely a loss of operational mobility. ”

US strike on Iran? To begin with, we recall that recently in the region, joint naval exercises of Iran, Russia and China took place. The Americans wanted to stop them, and they were demonstratively put in place. To the threatening statements of the representative of the State Department that Iran should “think twice” and Tehran’s actions “should cause concern for all countries interested in maintaining freedom of navigation in the region,” the reaction was adequate - the Navy’s tripartite maneuvers went like in the Indian Ocean, and in the Gulf of Oman - two areas very sensitive to world oil trade. So, in any situation around Iran, one must take into account the factor of the Strait of Hormuz and passage through it up to 1/4 of all planetary oil supplies.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Finally, the actions of Iran’s allies in the region. They will trample on the Americans with great enthusiasm. Hasan Nasrullah, the leader of the Shiite Hezbollah party, has already promised to take revenge on the United States: "The responsibility and task of all resistance mujahideen around the world is to ensure that the murderers of Suleimani are justly punished."

Neighbors - Gulf countries. All the monarchies of the Arabian Peninsula urgently need to include any leverage to block a possible war in the region. Even the US war against Iran - without first participating in Saudi Arabia or Kuwait - will bring unacceptable damage to their land, where JI-A is housed.

[Sir Cyril]

Hasan Nasrullah, the leader of the Shiite Hezbollah party, has already promised revenge on the United States:

- Let him come out of the bunker for a start.

[rus-5819]

Speaking to reporters, Trump said that in the event of an attack on US facilities or their allies by Iran, the United States would strike at cultural property in Iranian territory.

And we can’t touch their cultural object? It doesn’t work like that.

What else can you expect from the descendants of criminals, prostitutes and adventurers of all stripes

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: SirCyrill

Hasan Nasrullah, the leader of the Shiite Hezbollah party, has already promised revenge on the United States:

- Let him come out of the bunker for a start.

pops up, the main thing is you get on time there

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: SirCyrill

And here is the renaming of Persia to Iran? I'm not talking about that at all. Ancient Persia has the same relation to Islamic Iran as Islamic Egypt to ancient Egypt, and modern Mexico to the Aztec empire. This is a completely different culture - a different language, another religion, a different state structure, architecture, art, etc.

You probably do not know how to read? Religion, device, architecture, do you really think so? And what does modern Italians have to do with the Roman Empire? Go to school.

[Sir Cyril]

You probably do not know how to read?

- I can.

Religion, device, architecture, do you really think so?

- this is not "I think so", it is a fact. In Ancient Persia, the language was not modern Farsi. The script was unmodified Arabic alphabet. The religion was not Islam. Architecture, fine arts - everything was different. Compare the architecture of the same Persepolis with Islamic architecture.

And what does modern Italians have to do with the Roman Empire?

- But I did not say anything about Italians. Although, for that matter, the modern Italian culture that developed in the Renaissance is based on Roman heritage. Although, of course, it is very different from the Roman culture itself.

Go to school. laughing

- I graduated from school 13 years ago with a silver medal. Why should I go into it?

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: SirCyrill

It's funny to read comments like "American barbarians don't have their own culture, so they bomb someone else's."

Gentlemen who leave such comments should turn a little to the history of their native country. More recent. We will see:

Konigsberg Castle. At the end of the war, the castle burned down (in August 1944 during a raid by Anglo-American aircraft and in April 1945 during the assault on Koenigsberg), but the main towers and walls were still preserved by 1956. Despite the protests, in 1967, by decision of the First Secretary of the Regional Committee of the CPSU Nikolai Konovalov castle ruins were blown up

And here are the results of the bombing of the city of Helsinki by Soviet troops:

The city of Helsinki preserves as a memory of the war numerous damage by fragments on the monuments: to JV Snellman in front of the Finnish Bank and the Three Blacksmiths. One of the significant losses is considered to be a bomb at the University of Helsinki, which destroyed most of the collection of the museum of medicine and severely damaged one of the best marble bas-reliefs of Väinö Aaltonen, Freedom crowns youth (“Vapaus seppelöi nuoruuden”.

The damaged work was transferred in 1945 to the Helsinki University adjacent to the main hall, and the recreated copy took its original place in the main hall in 1959.

The painting of Eero Järnefelt, depicting the activities of the secret society "Aurora", which existed at the end of the XVIII century [18], was lost.

And how many cultural monuments were destroyed in the same USSR for ideological reasons - not to count. Well, for example:

- Sukharev tower;
- Simonov monastery;
- Red Gate;
- Holy Monastery
- Kazan Cathedral
- House of Rachmaninov.

In general, the number of such destroyed monuments reached hundreds in different cities. Churches were especially hit. This, of course, was not only under the Soviets, but also in pre-revolutionary and post-Soviet times.

As for the export of "trophy" cultural values, you can also learn a lot from the history of your country. For instance:

After the unconditional surrender of Germany, the Soviet Union for several years carried out uncontrolled removal of both Soviet and German art from the zone of occupation. The Soviet authorities proceeded from the fact that the right to compensation was recognized by the other victorious powers and was not in doubt. Until 1952, approximately from Germany to the USSR were exported 900 pieces of art

I am writing all this not in order to groan Russia (I am calm about the destruction of cultural monuments during the war - war is war, there is no time for beauties and monuments), but so that some people simply have no illusions that this is only " Naglo-Saxons "do it.

A good "lawyer" with a "prosecutor" And how much did Germany take out cultural property? And what did they plunder and destroy in Russia?

The export of cultural property from Germany was a response to the monstrous atrocities that the Nazis committed during the war on the territory of the USSR. Immediately after the war, a special state commission was created in the Soviet Union to assess the damage caused to the cultural heritage of the USSR during the Second World War. According to her, according to the most minimal estimates, the damage caused amounted to 140 billion (!) Gold rubles (at the exchange rate of 1913). And in translation into modern money, we are talking about a completely fantastic amount. Since during the war years the Germans plundered, destroyed and burned 1710 cities and towns in the USSR, over 70 thousand villages, completely or partially destroyed 1,5 million buildings and structures, including 427 museums, 43 thousand libraries and 167 theaters, dozens of monuments church architecture. For example, world masterpieces such as the Amber Room and the Peterhof Palace and Park Ensemble and much more were destroyed.

The total volume of irretrievably plundered and lost objects of material culture - libraries and rare books, medium and small plastic, jewelry, dining sets, furniture, household items and ancient crafts, wallpaper, porcelain, etc. etc. it is generally not possible to establish or evaluate. And most importantly, on April 18, 1996, the Federal Constitutional Court of the Federal Republic of Germany recognized the legality and lawfulness of property seizures carried out during the Second World War, their irreversibility and excluded the possibility of their review or revision by German courts or other government bodies.

[Sir Cyril]

A good "lawyer" with a "prosecutor" And how much did Germany take out cultural property? And what did they plunder and destroy in Russia?

- And where did I say that I condemn this export of values ​​from Germany? Not on your nelly. I just said that this is not only the prerogative of Western countries, not more.

[Gennady Fomkin]

The fact that there is nothing good to expect from the enlightened representatives of the West to the inhabitants of Mesopotamia became clear in the very first days of the occupation. The Americans expressed their attitude to the historical heritage very clearly - they set up Camp Alpha military base right at the excavations of Babylon. “This monument is more than 5000 years old, we collect information about it literally bit by bit, here every stone is priceless,” complains Muhsin Muhammed, the curator of the museum Babylon. “But when the Americans entered the city, they first set up their camp here.” In the museum walls! Huge helicopters flew up and landed here, soldiers picking out stones with the seal of Nebuchadnezzar as free souvenirs.

Do you know that when the Americans arrived, the keepers were forbidden to enter the museum? One of our employees, Muhammad Farhud, did not want to leave, so he was kept in a punishment cell for a month for disobeying martial law, and then he was sent to Abu Ghraib prison. Upon release, he was warned not to tell anyone about this. We have preserved a document from the international Red Cross confirming the fact of arrest. ”

The location of the base right among the thousand-year-old buildings shocked not only the museum staff - a special commission was created at UNESCO to assess the damage caused to Babylon. The report notes the damage caused to historic buildings as a result of the operation of helicopters and heavy equipment, as well as 60-meter trenches 2 meters wide and 2004 meters deep, dug right at the excavation site. Under pressure from the international community, the Americans withdrew the base, but only in December XNUMX, that is, after a year and a half. Marauder brigades had completed their work long ago.

“When we were allowed to return to the museum,” continues Muhsin Mohammed, “before us was not the same Babylon that was before. From the very beginning, we noticed that completely empty cars arrived along with loaded trucks. After we were allowed to enter our own museum, they were gone. Like the values ​​in the halls. ”

Baghdad-based journalist Ahmed Mejit, editor-in-chief of Al-Marbad radio station, confirms Muhsin’s words: “It was not by chance that military bases were deployed in historical places. After the invasion of Iraq in 2003, the US army began to engage in unauthorized seizure and export of thousands of antiquities from the country, which completely contradicts international conventions and agreements on the preservation of historical values ​​during martial law and occupation. ”

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: SirCyrill

You probably do not know how to read?

- I can.

Religion, device, architecture, do you really think so?

- this is not "I think so", it is a fact. In Ancient Persia, the language was not modern Farsi. The script was unmodified Arabic alphabet. The religion was not Islam. Architecture, fine arts - everything was different. Compare the architecture of the same Persepolis with Islamic architecture.

And what does modern Italians have to do with the Roman Empire?

- But I did not say anything about Italians. Although, for that matter, the modern Italian culture that developed in the Renaissance is based on Roman heritage. Although, of course, it is very different from the Roman culture itself.

Go to school. laughing

- I graduated from school 13 years ago with a silver medal. Why should I go into it?

Serbry Medal I didn’t master further

[Sir Cyril]

Serbian medal laughing No further mastered laughing

- you did not master the silver medal? Well, sympathy, not everyone is given.

[Gennady Fomkin]

I have Gold and what? in the USSR school, where they really taught.

[Sir Cyril]

If it were golden, Islamic Iran would not be identified with Ancient Persian civilization.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Would the "silver medal" not confuse medieval Italy with the Roman Empire