U and B were sitting on a pipe: how energy transit of Russia becomes its weakness

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Moscow did not have time to take a breath after the hassle arranged by the Ukrainian Naftogaz in the process of agreeing on a new contract for pumping our “blue fuel” through the Ukrainian GTS, as Russian energy exporters seem to have a new cause for concern. Now, however, the order of the day is the transit of not gas, but oil, and it’s not Kiev, but Minsk, that will “pump the law”. Nevertheless, a rather unpleasant tendency is evident. It seems that the “transit wars" are beginning to turn into a kind of permanent disaster for Russia, besides bearing not only economic problems. Why is this happening and what can it lead to?

Is lean transit better than a good quarrel?


Without completely sharing the mood of the bonfirers in every way the New Year’s agreement between our Gazprom and the Ukrainian Naftogaz “all-prodigals”, I will allow myself to note that it leaves a rather unpleasant residue. Yes, the risk of disruption of energy supplies to Europe and "getting" into considerable penalties has been removed. Yes, instead of the sum of the sky-high sums of “compensations” filed in the lawsuits with which almost all European courts fell asleep, Kiev would have to be content with “just” 3 billion dollars. But damn it, why do we even have to pay this amount - especially given the “deadlocked” issue on the so-called “Yanukovych debt”, which is actually the most ordinary loan Ukraine took from Russia, and it seems to give back , and has no thoughts? Concessions, even in minimal amounts, are all the same concessions. And, each time making them in a situation when the truth is actually on its side, Moscow willingly makes it clear: you can squeeze your own out of it. As they say, not by washing, so by skating. To whom? Yes, more and more new applicants to solve their internal problems and increase the welfare of their own country at the expense of ours. The clearest example of this is the behavior of Belarus, whose leader, not at all embarrassed, openly declares that he is going to “seek an alternative” to cooperation with Russia, being inspired by the Ukrainian example.



The supply of oil to the Belarusian refineries, which ceased on January 3, became the logical ending of the long, difficult and tedious negotiations between Moscow and Minsk. In the process of such, our partners tried to squeeze at least the cancellation of the premium of $ 10 per ton of "black gold", which was supposed to Russian suppliers last year. Like, and so push your tax maneuver, fiends, well, at least throw something off! As a result, they bargained until January 1, when the old contract ceased to operate, and the oil refineries left without raw materials had to be urgently transferred to the minimum allowable production volumes, while assuring citizens that “the bins were full” and there would be enough reserves for a long time. Export, however, had to be stopped immediately and in full. However, according to the information available from direct participants in the process, Transneft and Belneftekhim, deliveries are about to resume, or have already been resumed. It seems that there were enthusiasts in Russia who were ready to work even without bonus ones. One way or another, but in this case we are talking about extremely short-term contracts that can “close the question” for a maximum of January-February. And then everything will surely return to square one. That is, to endless negotiations with the use of Minsk blackmail so beloved recently. In the already historical An interview with Ekho Moskvy Lukashenko said that if he couldn’t come to an agreement, he would “take one pipe of the Friendship.” And if "it goes fine" - then the second after. "Transition blackmail" in its purest form.

Trumpet voice


Talk about some “alternative oil supplies,” for which Druzhba will be involved in reverse operation, has been conducted by Minsk for quite some time. According to rumors, after returning from Russia from the next unsuccessful high-level talks, Lukashenko gave the command "to speed up the process." The most unpleasant thing is that there are plenty of people who want to participate in the destruction of the established system of Russian energy exports to Europe through Belarus. Particular zeal in this matter is shown by Poland and Latvia. Representatives of the latter at various levels, from the heads of specialized companies to the country's president Gitanas Nauseda vying with each other promise Belarus a “bright European future” and millions of tons of Venezuelan oil, they only need to turn their backs on Russia that does not respect them. The Poles promise to fill the country with “black gold” from the USA and Saudi Arabia ... The only problem is that, firstly, this oil (even taking into account the tax hate maneuver Minsk) will come out “golden” compared to Russian and secondly, even all these barkers together, will not be able to cover the rather big needs of Belarus, which in recent years has turned the export of high-quality and unprecedentedly cheap petroleum products made from Russian raw materials into one of the cornerstones of its own economy.

Most likely, in the near future, we will have new “dances” around “deep integration” with a distinct oil and gas subtext. And in the process of them, no doubt, more than once or twice there will be threats to “pick up the pipe” or “block” it. It is very disappointing in this case that the biggest lovers of using the “trumpet voice” as the main argument in any disputes with Moscow are just the former republics of the USSR, which were lucky to be the territories through which trunk lines were laid to the West in Soviet times oil and gas pipelines. Somehow, their current “rulers” are suddenly completely beaten away by memory and they start beating themselves in the chest, declaring the sixteen republics built by the joint labor a “national treasure”, giving them an unconditional right to twist hands and twist ropes. The funny thing is that the sad example of Ukraine, which instead of a complete victory over Gazprom this year barely managed to bargain for truncated transit for an indefinite period, does not teach anyone anything. Now Belarus is demanding completely unreasonable benefits for energy supplies only on the basis that “Friendship” runs through its lands. What is such a tax maneuver ?! This will lead to an increase in prices of $ 20 per ton of oil, that is, to a rise in price of 5% from last year. Guard, rob!

Bulgaria and Turkey - next in line?


At the same time, Belneftekhim, without any embarrassment, acknowledges that until recently they received “black gold” from our country at a price of just over 80% of its real market value. This is what made it possible to dispense refined petroleum products at prices 30-40% lower than average in Europe or even the same Ukraine. Give dumping! No wonder that with such a “constructive” approach, our country is simply forced to build different “streams” one after another. It’s better to invest money once, but then do not have a headache with such “partners”. However, whatever one may say, we have nowhere to go completely from the transit countries seeking to “stick to the pipe”. Now we have Bulgaria on the way of the Turkish Stream ... It has already managed to bury one gas pipeline. Now, it seems, the Bulgarians promise to behave approximately, but from time to time they also give cause for concern. Recently, the head of the Alternative for the Bulgarian Revival (ABV) party, Rumen Petkov, made a statement regarding some of the “problems” that exist in bringing to mind the 40-kilometer-long section of a gas pipeline running through the country. Something there, according to him, is not it either with welding works, or with the inspection of these works ... Well, they’ll finish where they go. In any case, gas from the Turkish Stream through Bulgaria has already gone to Greece and Northern Macedonia.

The main question, however, is not this, but whether Sofia would later have the desire, using even a tiny, but a piece of pipe, to “correct a little” something in her favor in relations with Moscow? A bad example is known to be contagious.

Turkey is generally a separate issue. Only in the last five years, our relations with Ankara have experienced peaks, and failures, and ups, and crises that threaten the war. Now everything seems to be fine, and the leaders of the two countries are about to officially launch the new gas pipeline in a festive atmosphere. Nevertheless, Ankara itself did not increase last year, but reduced the consumption of Russian gas. The reason is simple - attempts to “squeeze” serious discounts on “blue fuel”, which even became the subject of personal negotiations between Vladimir Putin and Recep Erdogan, failed. Go to the bazaar, look for cheaper ... Let's hope that the proud descendants of the Janissaries will not try to return to this issue, turning into “holders” of a part of the Turkish Stream pipe. And they don’t even decide to use this moment in case of any other disagreements between the states. There can be plenty of reasons: take at least the situation in Libya itself, the views on which Moscow and Ankara, apparently, differ in the most dramatic way. After all, politics is politics, and the pipe is the pipe ...

By and large, to get out of the situation when energy transit in one way or another turns into the “Achilles heel” of Russia, perhaps, you can only get rid of the practice of preferences for certain countries as such. Enough, have already tried "brotherly" ... It's time to start counting in fairness. In this case, perhaps, the attempts to use these or those pipes with our energy carriers inside as weapons against us.

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  1. +10
    7 January 2020 05: 40
    friendship is money ... there is no money, there is no friendship ... and you’ll go play with a neighbor in the sandbox and you won’t get cud ... (such a vision of the picture)
    1. +36
      7 January 2020 06: 23
      And on business to us, for stupid squandering of resources. For a long time it’s time to start at least some of their production ...
      1. +19
        7 January 2020 08: 23
        . the biggest lovers of using the “trumpet voice” as the main argument in any disputes with Moscow today are just the former republics of the USSR, which were lucky to be territories, through which oil and gas pipelines were laid to the West in Soviet times

        According to the established tradition, it is just right to accuse the Soviet leaders of laying mines for oil and "National Treasure".

        Negligent leaders are always to blame for their predecessors.

        . Now Belarus is demanding completely unreasonable benefits for energy supplies

        They have ceded to enemy Ukraine, why not give privileges to friendly Belarus? They "won" with Ukraine by signing a contract, now the Belarusians also want to "lose".
        1. +4
          7 January 2020 10: 09
          From the geography of trouble - annoying! And gloating is ugly.
        2. +1
          11 January 2020 22: 44
          And what is Belarus to friendship with if it behaves exactly like Ukraine ... a parasite is not a friend, but a parasite
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      3. +4
        7 January 2020 09: 40
        There is no time to do business, while the "freebie" is underfoot, .... because others will get it. So tyrim "freebie". The freebie ends - the business begins.
      4. +11
        7 January 2020 12: 25
        Quote: Mussashi
        And on business to us, for stupid squandering of resources. For a long time it’s time to start at least some of their production ...

        And really, why not let go of finished high-quality products at appropriate prices, and not raw materials ?!
        And yet - if we have such "friendly", "pipe" neighbors, why not build HUBs in front of our borders, and release raw materials, taking into account the transit from the production zone? And let Europe then deal with its "friendly" transit countries itself!
    2. +8
      7 January 2020 08: 54
      In the commodity economy the only way!
    3. +5
      7 January 2020 09: 24
      Quote: Aerodrome
      friendship is money ... no money, no friendship.

      It turns out friendship, this is when you brought a bottle of vodka to your neighbor, which you drank for two, and then your neighbor "cleaned up" your face.
    4. +4
      7 January 2020 18: 36
      Quote: Aerodrome
      friendship is money ... no money, no friendship ...

      if you want to ruin your relationship with a friend, lend money
      1. +1
        8 January 2020 17: 10
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: Aerodrome
        friendship is money ... no money, no friendship ...

        if you want to ruin your relationship with a friend, lend money

        Friends are different! "And not a friend and not an enemy, but so" (c).
        Although yes, there are no friends in "geopolitics".
        In this case, I agree with you. sad
  2. +15
    7 January 2020 05: 44
    " Enough, we have already tried “brotherly” ... At the same time, Belneftekhim, without any embarrassment, recognizes that until recently they received “black gold” from our country at a price of just over 80% of its real market value. This is what made it possible to dispense refined petroleum products at prices 30-40% lower than average in Europe or even the same Ukraine. It's time to start counting in fairness."
    Namely, just as the Slav brothers behave with us, so we need friendship as friendship, and tablets separately. Based on past and present realities, Russia loses allies, accustoming them first to freebies, and then weaning them from the free nipples, making them enemies. An example of Ukraine clearly speaks about this ..
    1. +2
      7 January 2020 09: 27
      Quote: GKS 2111
      As the Slavic brothers behave with us, so we need friendship, friendship, and tobacco bunches apart

      You just need to understand once and for all what friendship is.
    2. +15
      7 January 2020 09: 36
      All this resembles a situation when the groom pestering the bride who is cunning, i.e. wants to sell to someone more expensive or even wants to always suck profit from the groom forever, promising everything.
      And on a serious question: What can Russia be interested in Belarus? What, besides low prices for raw materials? Maybe what great idea can we offer them, what bright future can we invite them to? They are not blind and see that Europe lives richer than Russia, they can choose, and if their mutually beneficial cooperation with us does not work, then we need to determine priorities - what we need from them and start bargaining: "You give me this, and I you then ".
      1. +7
        7 January 2020 10: 43
        Oil is ALREADY shipped at Russian ports and the Belarusian pipe is no longer an argument. The gas pipeline system will strip the arguments of the other different transit countries. But you can’t forgive the insolent, you must certainly be punished even for obscene thoughts: tough! Lukashenko does not answer on the phone, do not let him on the threshold.
        1. +1
          12 January 2020 21: 08
          Yes, we are great, and all around are traitors and parasites! Do not let go, do not answer, drive away! And what? Well, Belarus will buy oil and gas through Europe. Due to the increase in purchases, Europe will push discounts. We will not refuse this. We will supply Europe to the last. And Belarus will receive gas and oil well, maybe a little more. But the ring of "traitors to Great Russia" will close: the Baltic states-Belarus-Ukraine. Doesn't it make us feel bad? But how will they decide to organize uniform transit tariffs for the transport of an "aggressive neighbor"?
      2. +4
        7 January 2020 13: 18
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        They’re not blind and they see that Europe lives richer than Russia, they can choose,

        Many former Soviet republics have already tried to live "as in Europe." The result is known.
        1. 0
          12 January 2020 21: 09
          Of course it is known: no one is in a hurry back to Russia's allies.
          1. 0
            13 January 2020 12: 33
            Quote: Tavrik
            nobody is in a hurry to join Russia's allies.

            Except the Germans ....
      3. +6
        7 January 2020 14: 38
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        And on a serious question: What can Belarus be interested in in Russia? What, besides low prices for raw materials? Maybe what a great idea we can offer them, what bright future we can call them into.

        Protection from external invasion, a huge domestic market, raw materials and finished products at domestic prices, with all the shortcomings, medicine and education.
        And what can Belarus offer?
      4. +7
        7 January 2020 18: 40
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        And what Russia may be interested in Belarus? What, besides low prices for raw materials?

        they asked a tricky question - some believe that only with a past joint history and kinship can one be lured
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        After all, they are not blind and see that Europe lives richer than Russia, they can choose

        the fact of the matter is that there is no attractive image of Russia in Belarus. They will look at Sechin, Medvedev and think why we need it?
      5. 0
        10 January 2020 23: 46
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        All.
        And on a serious question: What can Belarus be interested in in Russia? What, besides low prices for raw materials? Maybe what a great idea we can offer them, what bright future we can call them into. They’re not blind and they see that Europe lives richer than Russia, they can choose,

        Oh wei .. Che they can choose that? What can Europe give them? The EU takes off feeding tshek and sprat tigers, on which should she plant a bulbofuhrer on her neck? What is so directly useful in bulboland that is? The proximity to the borders, perhaps, and cannon fodder the size of one district of the city of Moscow .. Everything .. It’s not cold for us from Belarus to pop in well and let them .. We’ll close the labor market and goods and ala, but you’ll see energy prices at world prices and we’ll raise money, today and now the bulbolend lives exclusively on Russian money, that is, this whole beautiful story about sign-quality exclusively at the expense of the Russian taxpayer, plus losses from competitors in the oil market .. Forest .. Live on your own! And there the lords will catch up and instantly stall the slaves to put their reflections of the brotherhood of the people are absent in principle ..
      6. +3
        11 January 2020 16: 14
        You answer that Russia does not like the market for Belarusian goods and a reliable supplier of low-cost energy resources? The fact that Europe (its old part) lives richer than Russia is not news. But the fact that Belarusian shrimps (in the broad sense) are looking forward there is news. There are, of course, other sources of improving well-being, apart from selling black soil and forest, such as being a parasite like Poland, but Europe will not bear the second, and the third, and there are a dozen more who want to sit on the neck of the EU, as the famous Bolivar.
    3. -1
      7 January 2020 21: 38
      Quote: GKS 2111
      at a price of just over 80% of its real market value. This is what made it possible to release the produced oil products at prices 30-40% lower than the average in Europe or even Ukraine. It's time to start counting fairly. "
      Namely, just as the Slav brothers behave with us, so do we need friendship as friendship, and separate tablets.

      We are pleased with such guardians for our hard-earned money! Well, the commentator under a strange nickname, either fuel or lubricants, or GCS, did not notice that our state receives much less than 50% of these same market prices .. Well, we all hardly see anything in the end. The rest is private owners and foreign creditors at odds .. But how many emotions and righteous anger in the struggle for the Swiss and Cypriot offshore!

      Why do we sell raw resources? All these pipelines will never pay off, they will be built at the expense of future pensions, as usual dividends will be paid first, and then they will quietly cover losses from the budget. Belarusians are two steps ahead of us, they distill oil into fuel and already sell it, much more expensive. And for some reason it’s weak for us .. And overtake in plastics and sell them? All sorts? Three times weak ..

      By the way, like a cherry on a cake. The next pipeline to China, it was decided to cost through the territory of Mongolia! To make pleasant to today's Mongolian friends. I will not say who personally made this decision ..

      "History teaches only that no one ever learns anything" (c) laughing
      1. 0
        11 January 2020 22: 46
        Would you still prove that the state receives less than 50% :-)))) otherwise you can’t believe the word
    4. +1
      8 January 2020 22: 15
      Are you aware that we have a union state with Belarus? A legitimate question on their part: "Why is the state a union, and you want to tear money from us, like from non-union?"
      It’s just that our management’s efficiency is such that the last allies are already looking for ways to move away from Russia.
      1. +2
        11 January 2020 16: 20
        Allies, this is when interests and goals coincide. And if for money, then it is called differently.
      2. 0
        11 January 2020 22: 47
        The counter question is - why should an ally receive something at a discount from us? What does he give in equal exchange?
        1. +1
          12 January 2020 20: 56
          Because he is an ally. Roll out the price tag to him for everything above the world and there will be no ally. Please note: under the USSR there was a belt of allied countries: the GDR, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Romania. "Warsaw Pact". After the well-known events, we lost it (fu, traitors). Apparently forever. It was replaced by the CIS countries Belarus and Ukraine. It took 20 years for us to lose this belt. Where is the CIS? We don't even remember. They also lost them (phew, traitors). Who is next in line for "betrayal" - Pskov or Smolensk?
          I don’t think too much about the structure of our relations, but the first thing that comes to mind is multi-axle tractors for missiles and the deployment of our base in Belarus.
          I had the opportunity in Kubinka at the "Army 2016" to communicate with representatives of one Minsk enterprise. For a long time I "tortured" the guys in terms of their products, knowledge and understanding of modern technologies. The impressions from both the representatives and their products are very good.
      3. +1
        12 January 2020 13: 32
        and Russia's allies only take money for an alliance? a legitimate question from our side: are they friends with Russia only because of money? Belarus can not be friends without financial injections? why then such allies, these are not allies, these are parasites!
        1. +1
          12 January 2020 20: 42
          It worries me that they are in no hurry to make friends with us even for money. They strive to be friends with powerful powers. Maybe, after all, not "all around are ungrateful pigs, but" something is wrong in the Danish kingdom "?
          1. +1
            13 January 2020 16: 25
            Well, someone is in a hurry, someone is not in a hurry ... Lukashenko is in a hurry, we are now speaking for him. and are there allies in the world? this is a rhetorical question .. and the fact that they do not want to be friends for money is a cliche worn out .. as an example, China: he has a lot of money, and who are the allies? this is a natural existence .- no allies. so it’s not the way, but here’s what
            --- Belarus cannot be friends without financial injections --- this is a vital issue! the fact that the state is a freeloader is also urgent, that it cannot exist without replenishment from Russia, it is a fact .. that Luka is insolent, there’s nothing to do.
            in any "kingdom" there are always problems, so there is no need to touch on this issue here.
            But an economic miracle, called Lukonomika, cannot exist without subsidizing with our country, it cannot be avoided. And if so, let it have the courage to talk about it openly and not curse oneself.
  3. +14
    7 January 2020 05: 44
    Well, there’s only one way out. Sell ​​energy right at the border. And the buyer agrees with the transit countries.
    1. +1
      7 January 2020 05: 51
      Quote: Sergey39
      Well, there’s only one way out. Sell ​​energy right at the border.

      glasses ... or bottles like in Tai ... and what, the workers of "gazprom" and "rosneft" will increase hundreds of times good
    2. +12
      7 January 2020 05: 57
      Try selling potatoes right in the field. You can even screw a 90% discount to sell better.
      1. +15
        7 January 2020 07: 13
        Quote: forty-eighth
        Try selling potatoes right in the field. You can even screw a 90% discount to sell better.

        We, in East Kazakhstan oblast, did just that. Farmers sold cucumbers and tomatoes from the field. Threw off twenty-five percent. People came and bought the whole crop in a week.
        1. +1
          7 January 2020 09: 41
          We also sell fence from the field, and so to wholesale dealers, yes discounts of 25-30%, and ordinary people taking a couple of pounds - a discount of 0-5%. And should I go to the village?
          1. +6
            7 January 2020 12: 18
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            and ordinary people taking a couple of kilos - a 0-5% discount. And should I go to the village?

            I don’t know where, but in our Gerasimovka (about 12 km from Ust-Kamenogorsk), there is one discount for everyone, no matter how much I take. He bought tomatoes there, with me an elderly woman, with about a couple kg of tomatoes, just waved his hand and wished him a pleasant appetite, they did not take money from her.
      2. +8
        7 January 2020 08: 41
        Quote: forty-eighth
        Try selling potatoes right in the field. You can even screw a 90% discount to sell better

        How did you soon forget the "well-fed" life of the nineties ... Don't you remember how you sold cigarette butts in cans? If they want to eat, they will come to the field themselves. In 97-98, those wishing to buy potatoes traveled to the villages and bought them cheaply.
        They are telling you now that it is necessary to lay 1200 km of pipes so that Germany "receives" Russian gas ... And once, in Soviet times, Europe itself built a gas pipeline from Urengoy:
        In July 1981, a consortium of German banks led by Deutsche Bank and AKA Ausfuhrkredit GmbH provided a loan of DM 3,4 billion for the construction of compressor stations. Later, loan agreements were signed with a group of French banks and an export-import bank of Japan. In 1981-1982, contracts for the supply of compressors and pipes were signed with Creusot-Loire, John Brown Engineering, Nuovo Pignone, AEG-Telefunken, Mannesmann, Dresser Industries, Walter Kidde and Japan Steel Works. Pipelayers and bulldozers were purchased from Caterpillar and Komatsu, Liebherr and Kato truck cranes.
        Workers from the CMEA countries (GDR, Poland, Czechoslovakia and SFRY) took part in the construction of the Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod gas pipeline, many of which built the Soyuz gas pipeline in the late 1970s.

        Do you like that all this gimmick is happening against the backdrop of 60% of gasification in Russia?
        You can continue to twist brains, explaining what and how. From your words it turns out that if (Suddenly !!! wassat ) Russia decided to sell oil and gas at the border, then we would not have received those billions of profits that are just pouring on our heads every hour ...
        Thanks for the information...
        hi
        1. +2
          7 January 2020 09: 35
          Quote: ROSS 42
          In 97-98, those who wished to purchase potatoes traveled to villages and bought cheaply.

          And then they resold in the city in the tridoroga. The manufacturer, as always, at a loss. Since we started talking about this, I will remember the beginning of the 90s, when my friends from the Moscow region and the Smolensk region took these gurkas, cartoons to Moscow. The month was good, and then in front of Moscow they were greeted with "khachiks" and forced to sell them for a penny. The following year, deliveries to Moscow stopped.
          1. +2
            7 January 2020 13: 20
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: ROSS 42
            In 97-98, those who wished to purchase potatoes traveled to villages and bought cheaply.

            And then resold in the city in a tri-road.

            Business is called!
            1. 0
              7 January 2020 14: 44
              Quote: major147
              Business is called!

              Socialism-speculation, a period of 3 to 5 years with confiscation, capitalism-business, respected people, give the term to a hard worker.
              1. +1
                7 January 2020 14: 57
                Quote: tihonmarine
                Quote: major147
                Business is called!

                Socialism-speculation, a period of 3 to 5 years with confiscation, capitalism-business, respected people, give the term to a hard worker.

                Alas!
          2. +4
            7 January 2020 18: 41
            Quote: tihonmarine
            they were greeted by "khachiks" forced to sell them

            Who covered these Khachiks? Were they gangsters without a roof?
        2. +2
          7 January 2020 09: 41
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Do you like that all this gimmick is happening against the backdrop of 60% of gasification in Russia?

          Capitalism. "My donkey, I want to force, I want food." Here the truth is only one "right is the one with the right."
        3. 0
          11 January 2020 22: 47
          Should it be more than 60%? Why? And how much should?
    3. +2
      7 January 2020 09: 53
      Gazprom has been strongly opposed for many years
      And he is right - to sell at the border - it is voluntary to leave the most profitable European gas market.
    4. 0
      7 January 2020 14: 54
      So that’s the problem that Miller and the company don’t want such salaries! Then everything is transparent and money only in the budget and not in their own pockets!
      Or do you think that the cost of gas for Germany, which is less than for other EU countries, is purely economical? Schroeder decided on Ger and voila. Money was correctly distributed offshore with the right people. That’s the whole story.
  4. +24
    7 January 2020 05: 52
    When the sale of its resources is a priority in increasing GDP, then the problems will be constant, production, delivery, prices, etc. Isn’t it easier to revive the rest of the rest of the economy ??? Or have not reached the bottom ???
    1. +8
      7 January 2020 05: 59
      No money left. All funds and forces are spent on production and transit of hydrocarbons.
      1. +6
        7 January 2020 06: 51
        If all the money had been thrown only for the extraction and transit of hydrocarbons, we would not be strangled by sanctions like this. Or do you really think that sanctions are imposed because of Crimea, Skripals, etc.?
        1. +1
          7 January 2020 08: 47
          Quote: Kleber
          Or do you really think that sanctions are imposed because of Crimea, Skripals, etc.?

          In reality, we think that the HMS and the EBN diligently fulfilled all the conditions of the West precisely because Russia was now in a hopeless situation.
          Such an original "collection" activity ... It is this situation that is hopeless, dooming our country to endless "misfortunes" ...
          1. +9
            7 January 2020 09: 03
            Gorbachev and Yeltsin are traitors and this is no secret.
          2. +10
            7 January 2020 16: 09
            Quote: ROSS 42
            In fact, we think that the HMS and EBN diligently fulfilled all the conditions of the West

            Ah, I really thought that everything has long been for sure знаютthat Gorbachev and Yeltsin ... hereinafter
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        3. +2
          7 January 2020 13: 22
          Quote: Kleber
          If all the money had been thrown only for the extraction and transit of hydrocarbons, we would not be strangled by sanctions like this. Or do you really think that sanctions are imposed because of Crimea, Skripals, etc.?

          Crimea, creaks and others - this is just an excuse. The reason for the sanctions is different!
    2. +1
      7 January 2020 10: 54
      This has never happened, and suddenly, "revive" ?! And who of us knows how to produce something interesting - a lot of them? No, I do not notice the skillful and persistent. Therefore, we trade what we have. Mirror in the studio!
      1. 0
        7 January 2020 16: 26
        Quote: Victor N
        And which of us able to produce something interesting - A lot of those?

        There were jobs - produced. The liquidation of the working class of Russia, as a potential grave digger of the “new Russian oligarchs,” was carried out using the usual destruction of factories, factories, software, factories built in the Soviet era and  “nothing but galoshes”  not releasing ... feel
        If the “guarantor has forgotten” , then we still remember VDNH, and the exhibition salons of the EXPO, and the magazine “New Goods”  ... We remember because we saw, held it in our hands, watched close and far.
        It’s a pity that the difficult childhood of some passed in the holds of galleys and “Mochilov”  in school toilets ...
        PS Here is one example when Lenin was lying in the Mausoleum, and schoolchildren wore "October"  stars, ties and Komsomol badges. Everyone joining these organizations studied the biography of Vladimir Ilyich. And everyone was surprised by the high efficiency and effectiveness of the work of the leaders of the socialist state.
        And what do we know from the life of the “great and permanent” »before 1999? How did he prove himself in his first active 48 years? What interesting has produced? We still don’t know ...
        1. ssm
          -4
          7 January 2020 16: 36
          Quote: ROSS 42
          joining these organizations studied the biography of Vladimir Ilyich. And everyone was surprised by the high performance and productivity of the leader

          This is probably why they had never worked anywhere until they were 48 years old. At all. And he lived on the income from his mother’s estate. And for the money from armed robberies (the Bolsheviks called them exes), of course.
          Quote: ROSS 42
          and the productivity of the leaders of the socialist state

          Ulyanov had no idea that he was "the leader of a socialist state." He called his creeping armed coup the PROLETARIAN revolution. And he called himself the leader of the world proletariat.
          The trick with the "socialist revolution" was invented by Dzhugashville after his death. And it was from December 1927, after the victory of the Dzhugashvili group (then still a group) over Bronstein, that the "construction of socialism" began in the USSR. And it was then that the proletarian revolution was renamed the socialist one.
          Performance calculation, I agree. The Bolsheviks managed to rob Russia of the Russians. And the Ukrainians, Ukraine. And the Georgians, Georgia. Etc. The result, although this was a result, as subsequent history showed, was disastrous, but the Bolsheviks had it.
    3. 0
      7 January 2020 16: 18
      Quote: Michael55
      Isn’t it easier to revive the rest of the rest of the economy ??? Or have not reached the bottom?

      Well, here you are, holding the power and ask them, they do not dedicate us all who are sitting here.
    4. +5
      7 January 2020 18: 45
      Quote: Michael55
      Isn’t it easier to revive the rest of the rest of the economy ???

      if memory serves, that in the abstract of 2008 EP and top officials promised in the 20th year to enter the top five developed countries and get rid of dependence on the pipe. 12 years have passed, and things are still there.
      Medvedev clearly said that economic development is tax collection. Therefore, we have no other way - the pipe is our everything
    5. +3
      11 January 2020 16: 39
      The revival of the economy is as empty a slogan as the fight against corruption, and that's all and nothing. There is a reality, which is that today's Russia is a subject of the international division of labor. You can produce anything you want, it's not a problem, the problem is to find a market for this product. Second. What you are talking about is the reproduction of the economy of the middle of the last century. And we should talk, and emotionally, I agree with you, about the production of a high-tech product of the 21st century with an unoccupied sales niche and, this is also very important, the preservation of production that ensures sovereignty and protection of existing sales markets. Here you can even do without aircraft carriers, just say the word "sanctions". Alas, it so happened that the world markets were not very interesting for the USSR, and the young reformers who dragged us into the market were initially ready to agree with the position of the Russian Federation as a European gas station.
  5. +4
    7 January 2020 06: 11
    The fish goes bad ... This Miller has to be fired for a long time.
    1. +25
      7 January 2020 06: 43
      The most cynical and extremely openly formed by 2020 point of view of the Russian leadership on the prospects of the Union State was recently formulated by the LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky: Minsk wants gas at the price of Smolensk. Then become like Smolensk. But not one small area, but six areas. It may be a federal district - the Western Federal District. Do not want to - it's your business. No one will force you to force. But then pay like everyone else "
      1. +8
        7 January 2020 07: 16
        Zhirinovsky often has sound thoughts.
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          1. +4
            7 January 2020 09: 35
            I looked at 2 dozen of your comments - a typical Troll.
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      2. +9
        7 January 2020 07: 25
        How do you say Smolensk? With you, that Sechin shared his daily salary? Well this is how many little lands and little people will arrive. And Russian officials how many "plots" for cutting!
        What do you want before this association, the new president under the old name you want?
        1. +3
          7 January 2020 07: 53
          Well, you need to think about not only "Sechin's daily salaries" and "cutting plots". This is too small. And Zhirinovsky does not touch the localism, but speaks about statehood as such.
          1. +18
            7 January 2020 08: 21
            Look how Zhirinovsky was handing out money to serfs yesterday. So called slaves. With regard to small-town, the difference is small, either in the pocket is big, or let it be as it is. For these people who are not sitting about the greatness and prosperity of Russia are thinking.
            1. +6
              7 January 2020 08: 32
              Serfs and there if the money was taken when they were called serfs.
            2. +2
              7 January 2020 16: 25
              What is Luke thinking about? About the Belarusian people?
            3. +1
              7 January 2020 16: 27
              his action, in no way reflected on the people of Russia, absolutely.
          2. +7
            7 January 2020 09: 20
            Quote: Kleber
            But Zhirinovsky just does not touch the parochial, but speaks of statehood as such.

            Zhirinovsky argues as a statesman? belay Yes, this court jester carries anything. Today one thing, tomorrow (and it happens in a minute) is quite the opposite. The electorate of Zhirinovsky is a lumpenized part of society. I am ashamed to have such a politician in the Duma.
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          3. +5
            7 January 2020 18: 47
            Quote: Kleber
            But Zhirinovsky just does not touch the parochial, but speaks of statehood as such.

            is the jester under Putin a state official? Do not make me laugh. He is one of the mouthpieces of the Kremlin; whatever they say, he sings
        2. +1
          7 January 2020 16: 24
          and WHAT IS BAD for Belarusians in unification with Russia? what will change in the lives of ordinary people? how they worked, they will work, only the economy of Belarus will breathe easier.
          1. +5
            7 January 2020 18: 49
            Quote: vitvit123
            and WHAT IS BAD for Belarusians in unification with Russia?

            I think that for a start Belarusians themselves should be asked. And so, Lukashenko will change to Medvedev with the company and nothing more.
            1. 0
              7 January 2020 18: 53
              --- I believe that for a start Belarusians themselves should be asked. And so, Lukashenko will change to Medvedev with the company and nothing more .---------

              Maybe for starters we ask whether they consider it normal for Russia to subsidize their economy?
              My opponent and I considered that a minimum of 7,5% per year of GDP is a contribution (free of charge) to their economy. several billion dollars, and so every year ... doesn’t it bother them?
              1. +4
                7 January 2020 19: 02
                Quote: vitvit123
                Maybe for starters we ask whether they consider it normal for Russia to subsidize their economy?

                who's bothering? That's just the underlying meaning of the issue is money. Then it’s even easier to ask a question - how much are you worth? Money-Based Togetherness
          2. 0
            11 January 2020 17: 57
            That fact that their economy will breathe easier I strongly doubt. Somehow, our enterprises do not breathe well. And thousands stopped breathing altogether.
            It's just that in Russia, all the tidbits are already divided or sold. So they are looking for someone else to privatize and sell. Lukashenko correctly does that he fights off attempts to penetrate the Russian oligarchy.
            1. 0
              12 January 2020 13: 43
              Quote: Tavrik
              That fact that their economy will breathe easier I strongly doubt.


              What is it like ? and the fact that their economy functions fully only on our energy resources and Belarus does not have these resources at all, i.e. Russia can immediately stop the entire economy of Belarus and bring it down. and if Belarus is a part of Russia, then there will be no energy problems and enterprises will work on their endless resources .. The economy of Belarus breathes only thanks to Russia.
              ------- It's just that in Russia all the tidbits are already divided or sold. So they are looking for someone else to privatize and sell .-----
              these judgments have long outgrown. for a long time, everyone knows that if there is a tidbit in Belarus, then very little! you are aware that about 70% of Belarusian enterprises own Russian business! What are you talking about? 70% of enterprises have owners from Russian business !!! tidbits are natural resources - get and sell! In Belarus, far from tidbits!
              ------ Lukashenko correctly does that he fights off attempts to penetrate the Russian oligarchy .------
              If the Russian oligarchs would want, then Luka with an outstretched hand would go around the world, without a state. Actually, Luka exists only thanks to Russian business, or (as Luka popularizes) oligarchy.
              Before writing, you need to understand what you are writing about ..
    2. -15
      7 January 2020 07: 27
      Quote: Victoria-In
      The fish goes bad ... This Miller has to be fired for a long time.


      Anyone can be fired, but whom to put? Again, change the awl for soap? Are there any worthy people in Miller's place? If there is, voice it.
      1. +15
        7 January 2020 08: 56
        Quote: Kleber
        Are there any worthy people in Miller's place? If there is, voice it.
        What? Now Miller is no longer replaced by anyone ??
        Any a decent and honest person who treats the National Treasure not as his own wallet.
        1. -9
          7 January 2020 09: 11
          You know, any decent and honest person who relates to the National Treasure not as his own wallet should also be a competent specialist, because you will not go far with one decency. And no one will allow a decent person to power. There is a circle with its mercantile interests. Therefore, they can replace Miller only with the same Sechin. And alas, this does not depend on the common people.

          But in fact my question was that no one called a surname.
          1. +12
            7 January 2020 09: 19
            Actually, it’s not Miller’s problem, but the one who’s higher. Without him there would be no miller and the rest of the covetous friends. Miller is not setting the agenda. Miller is just a cog, an integral part of those relations (self-enrichment and irresponsibility) that have developed in this get-together called "capitalism for our own."
            1. +1
              7 January 2020 11: 07
              Lord ... people, will you ever understand that people like Miller or Sechin are hired employees working under a contract?) Someday at least get to know what AO and its board are and how it works. the tasks of the tops are the effective management of the company's assets and, as a result, an increase in profit for the company's shareholders. their decisions generally have nothing to do with power and all sorts of agendas. all the difference is only in the size of the companies they manage. they owe neither to you nor to me at all. unless you are a shareholder.
              1. +5
                7 January 2020 11: 24
                Quote: carstorm 11
                Lord ... people, will you ever understand that people like Miller or Sechin are hired employees working on a contract?

                Why, for the role, of these hired employees, the heads of the largest state-owned companies (Gazprom, Rosneft, Sberbank ...), from all over the country have you chosen only Putin’s friends?
                (The other friends, who did not get warm places in state-owned companies and state bodies, became simply banal billionaires.)
                1. -2
                  7 January 2020 11: 27
                  But are they obliged to report to you?) The management of the neighboring store should give you an annual report on who they appointed the director?))) Once again, the board of the joint-stock company decides who will manage it. by voting choose. and the criteria for its effectiveness are up to you. start to understand it then it will become easier. state-owned company differs from any other only one-owner. the principles of operation and management are the same. the state does not govern and cannot. it only owns. and directors are hired managers and not civil servants.
                  1. -1
                    7 January 2020 23: 26
                    Now I will know that Russia is a store)))
                    1. 0
                      7 January 2020 23: 37
                      Are you 10 years old or something?) Why do stupid posts write and what else would everyone watch? learn to apply logic or something.
                      1. -1
                        8 January 2020 14: 09
                        what kind of comment and post laughing
                2. -1
                  7 January 2020 16: 36
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Why, then, for the role of these hired employees, the heads of the largest state-owned companies (Gazprom, Rosneft, Sberbank ...), only Putin’s friends were chosen from all over the country?

                  Because we are PEOPLE! And you would do the same! They would have planted all their relatives! We have always been and will be so. Because we are people! Our talent for singing is inherited, the talent for skiing (and indeed for sports) is inherited, etc. at least I feel very bad about it, but putting myself in their place, I would also push my relatives and friends. And you too . How then can you poke your finger on others? if he is the same as everyone ....
                  1. +6
                    7 January 2020 18: 16
                    Quote: vitvit123
                    And you would do the same ! They would have planted all their relatives!

                    That's just not necessary for everyone! Personally, none of my relatives planted me anywhere. So do I. But this does not mean at all that there are no bosses in relatives. I know among my relatives only one case. The FSB officer added his son to the FSB and, of course, not his boss. But there it is customary. You just won’t get there from the street.

                    And those whom the kinsfolk of relatives did not put in warm places, I am sure the majority on the site.
                    1. +2
                      7 January 2020 18: 30
                      I hope that you do not accept mine do not believe you, to heart. that no one pushed you or no one, of course, theoretically possible, but your words are not enough (we can say anything), and we can’t certify more, so we’ll stay with what we have. For example, even a cousin uncle, to speak in this context, helped a driver (an ordinary gazelle in a village) to get a job after the army, and you see how independent, well, what can I say, I can only rejoice for you. ..
                      Well, even if not all relatives (there would be even those you don’t know about), then maybe half of that is for sure? not ?

                      And those whom the kinsfolk of relatives did not put in warm places, I am sure the majority on the site. --- strong words !!! of course, because most of the people on the site do not have such relatives (or you do not need this relatives) that can be highly planted, but how everyone wants this kind of relatives to be! and, in my opinion, these are normal human desires. All (average statistical)
                      want to live easier and richer ..
              2. +4
                7 January 2020 12: 51
                Quote: carstorm 11
                Lord ... people, will you ever understand that people like Miller or Sechin are hired employees working under a contract?) Someday at least get to know what AO and its board are and how it works. the tasks of the tops are the effective management of the company's assets and, as a result, an increase in profit for the company's shareholders. their decisions generally have nothing to do with power and all sorts of agendas. all the difference is only in the size of the companies they manage. they owe neither to you nor to me at all. unless you are a shareholder.

                Shcha, ain the moment, and you, too, may (if you want to) understand what "business" is according to Gazprom and where are the interests of shareholders (source of RBC):
                Arkady Rothenberg created Stroygazmontazh (SGM) in 2008. Then he is for 8,3 bn. Rub. bought at Gazprom five construction "daughters" along with contracts: Lengazspetsstroy, Volgogradneftemash, Spetsgazremstroy, Krasnargazstroy and Volgogaz.

                We carefully monitor the hands (not mine, but the Rotenbergs). I bought from Gazprom to build future gas pipelines for Gazprom. And when that's all, further prospects for such megastrocks are not expected, then attention (source RBC):
                The sale of contractor Stroygazmontazh, owned by Arkady Rotenberg, has been closed. This was told to RBC by a source close to the company, and a source surrounded by Rotenberg, and also confirmed the representative of the businessman.
                The buyer was Gazstroyprom, the new single contractor of Gazprom, where the monopoly has 49%, and the rest is owned by Gazprombank structures and individuals, RBC interlocutors said. According to one of them, the transaction amount was about 75 billion rubles. Previously, two sources close to preparing the deal told RBC that Rotenberg had agreed to sell the contractor for about 75 billion rubles. A Gazprom spokesman declined to comment.
                Gazprom returns the assets sold. Stroygazmontazh is not the only contract business that Rotenberg bought from Gazprom and now sells to monopoly structures. Gazstroyprom also plans to buy out Gazprom Drilling, a major drilling contractor (now the company is controlled by Igor Arkady Rotenberg’s son).

                PS Are you not surprised that during the construction of gas pipelines Gazprom persistently chose the most expensive and generally low-cost projects and refused less costly options?
                I personally do not. Privatization of profits and the nationalization of losses are the win-win scheme of Putin’s oligarch friends. And try to say that Mr. P. has nothing to do with it, they just play hockey together, they just have a common hobby, you know. Shareholders say good governance, well, well. What did the Sberovsky analyst write about these construction projects there? Which was immediately fired.

                PPS Scam of the Century, that's what it is. And it’s a pity that it’s not the only, if so, question at all. hi
                1. +1
                  7 January 2020 13: 19
                  Firstly, getting rid of non-core assets is an old topic. and I do not discuss project schemes because I do not know the source data. the fact that someone is trying to make money there is a completely natural thing. I’m not saying that it’s beautiful, but usually for any company in the world. Regarding costly or recouped projects, I'm sorry, but it’s ridiculous) do you want the business to work on the principle of a bee versus honey?) all your arguments beat one and one big trump card — net profit is only for last year, almost one and a half trillion rubles. and all these discussions on the topic of who sells what to whom and who purchases from whom have little meaning when the company has such income.
                  1. +3
                    7 January 2020 13: 57
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    Firstly, getting rid of non-core assets is an old topic. and I do not discuss project schemes because I do not know the source data. the fact that someone is trying to make money there is a completely natural thing. I’m not saying that it’s beautiful, but usually for any company in the world. Regarding costly or recouped projects, I'm sorry, but it’s ridiculous) do you want the business to work on the principle of a bee versus honey?) all your arguments beat one and one big trump card — net profit is only for last year, almost one and a half trillion rubles. and all these discussions on the topic of who sells what to whom and who purchases from whom have little meaning when the company has such income.

                    And could mean to have even more income and less debt. Would you like to consider such an argument? Or do you think that all the trump cards are already in your hands? And what does your argument have to do with it
                    Do you want the business to work on the principle of bees versus honey?

                    if you yourself write above
                    top tasks are effective management company assets and as a result increase profits for shareholders company. their decisions have nothing to do with power

                    Or, in your situation, does the argument turn backwards?
                    1. +2
                      7 January 2020 14: 12
                      could. or maybe she couldn’t. we do not know the factors for making each decision, but we can only guess. I don’t really like doing this. I have specific numbers and repel them. which of course does not in any way prevent you from having the right to your opinion and analytics) who has what approach) so there are no contradictions) I’m just starting from specifics and you are trying to analyze.
                      1. +3
                        7 January 2020 14: 25
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        could. or maybe she couldn’t. we do not know the factors for making each decision, but we can only guess. I don’t really like doing this. I have specific numbers and repel them. which of course does not in any way prevent you from having the right to your opinion and analytics) who has what approach) so there are no contradictions) I’m just starting from specifics and you are trying to analyze.

                        And here I completely agree with you. I really love to analyze. But I can’t deny the actual figures, since they are. And my analysis, this is my vision of the situation and its further development, but the actual results, everything is true, this does not refute. Everyone has the right to their opinion. Good luck to you. hi
                      2. +2
                        7 January 2020 14: 35
                        for that, disputes are needed) everyone shares his vision. and all the best to you!
          2. +3
            7 January 2020 09: 57
            And will not be called
            As for the presidency
            There are no fools to lean out and stand
            140 million people, and not one worthy, according to your logic
            1. +3
              7 January 2020 10: 00
              Really, what for substitute then? Whom do not name the famous managers - all thieves. From this, they are shy in choosing.
              1. +2
                7 January 2020 10: 06
                And if it’s not a thief, then as soon as it pops out and becomes noticeable, they will immediately appoint a thief, even if they gave him orders yesterday.
                “If there was a man, there would be an article!”
                And they all know this very well, and therefore do not stick out .....
                1. +10
                  7 January 2020 10: 40
                  Quote: Avior
                  And if not a thief, then as soon as he pops out and becomes noticeable - immediately thieves will appoint

                  And it happened with Grudinin! There lived a man who did not grieve until he became a presidential candidate.
                  As soon as the left put forward their candidacy immediately, here, he wrote - they will make a fiend of hell.
                  1. +5
                    7 January 2020 10: 46
                    Quote: Stas157
                    There lived a man who did not grieve until he became a presidential candidate.

                    And he didn’t even offer a change of order. His development plans most closely resembled the Chinese version of socialism, which could be a compromise.
                    1. -4
                      7 January 2020 11: 16
                      poor)))) what’s the claim now that it’s losing billions to its own shareholders?) billion with a tail?) would you like a similar experiment to conduct it over everyone?) thanks) you don’t need such happiness)
                    2. +3
                      7 January 2020 13: 00
                      Yes, you forget about your Grudinin ... how to mantra taldychite .. Grudinin. Grudinin ..... everything, New Year's cracker Your Grudinin
              2. +5
                7 January 2020 10: 22
                Quote: Kleber
                Really, what for substitute then? Whom do not name the famous managers - all thieves. From this, they are shy in choosing.

                I will not name famous managers and will not substitute. But the system in which you need to be shy in choosing managers (since all is thieves) looks very strange. But who is to blame? Who is the guarantor of this vicious system, this ill-fated circle?
                It is not necessary to start with managers, but with a manager.
                1. 0
                  7 January 2020 10: 25
                  It is not strange, but in the place of the country's top manager with the candidates, too, not very ... either they are already very old, or unknown, or also a thief ...
                  1. +4
                    7 January 2020 10: 28
                    Quote: Kleber
                    How not strange, but in the place of the country's top manager with candidates, is also not very

                    Very strange. Although this is exactly what they want to inspire us, the chief manager and his minions. And they are doing it quite successfully.
                    1. -3
                      7 January 2020 11: 17
                      people we determine by business. not by suggestion. and let your pet continue to give freedom to the radio on the radio) he earned huge balls for himself)))
                  2. -2
                    7 January 2020 11: 03
                    But from botany ....
                    There are plants that, as soon as they are strengthened by their roots, immediately begin to suppress all others around them, nothing grows closer to them after that ....
                    Until you cut them down, until then no plants around you will grow, except perhaps the same as themselves, or if you do not react at the very beginning, there will be problems that have become hard to remove later to make room for new useful ones.
                    Here, ragweed, for example. And the name is so noble, with the essence, however, not so noble .....
                    Ambrosia quickly spreads and drains the soil in cultivated crops, causing inhibition of sown plants. Young shoots of ragweed need to be uprooted

                    And I didn’t snatch it on time, then you won’t get hassle :(
                    hi
        2. -1
          7 January 2020 09: 13
          Any person is decent and honest, exactly until the moment he takes office. Further decency and honesty disappears somewhere.
          1. +1
            7 January 2020 09: 14
            Russian realities ...
          2. 0
            7 January 2020 10: 32
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            Any person is decent and honest, exactly until the moment he takes office.

            Don’t need Andrey for everyone. Do you personally measure your patriotism and conscience in money?
            1. +2
              7 January 2020 13: 09
              And what, a patriot must be necessarily silver-free? As if, one does not interfere with the other. And where to find such a leader who would
              1. Patriotic
              2. Decent
              3. Competent.
              Moreover, a person who falls into power transforms and, as a rule, not for the better. Moreover, our generation was brought up by the Soviet state in the notion that "everything around is collective farm and everything around is mine" from which it follows: "carry every nail from work, you are the owner here, not the guest"
              One hope remains - for youth.
              1. 0
                7 January 2020 18: 31
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                Moreover, a person who falls into power, metamorphoses and, as a rule, is not for the better

                No, Andrei, initially people who are looking for a way to cut dough fall into power. Nobody is close to ideological power now.
                1. +1
                  7 January 2020 19: 14
                  People who are trying to change something are still in power. But they change themselves, accepting the rules of the game. Weak people, and a lot of temptations.
          3. -3
            7 January 2020 11: 15
            Are you on the topic of the article? You are definitely not allowed for the position.
        3. +3
          7 January 2020 16: 32
          I have absolutely no good (as well as bad) feelings for Miller. But do you personally (at least a little) know him to talk about him and (as an example) Sechin? I mean, you can start a duck, and everyone starts talking, as if they knew each other. I just can’t understand this ... how can a man talk without knowing what he is talking about? In the village where I grew up, it wasn’t accepted ...
      2. 0
        7 January 2020 09: 30
        Quote: Kleber
        Again, change the awl for soap? Are there any worthy people in Miller's place?

        A good quarter of the country's citizens are more worthy of this Putin’s deffective manager, like all his other homies. It is necessary to SO manage to rule the largest and richest country in the world so that more than twenty million live in total poverty and another 40% are poor, even in comparison with third world countries. But in terms of the number of billionaires in relation to the population, Putin's Russia ranks first in the world. They are rich at our expense and their happiness is built on our misfortune.
        1. -1
          7 January 2020 09: 46
          From the 90s to today, analyze. And you will understand. Maybe I'm talking about management. But it's time to make changes (I'm talking about management and not about squandering, theft)
      3. +4
        7 January 2020 18: 50
        Quote: Kleber
        Are there any worthy people in Miller's place? If there is, voice it.

        Russia is great, but there are better people than Miller. laughing
    3. +1
      7 January 2020 09: 03
      This Miller has long had to be fired.

      Who will fire him ... (C)
      1. +2
        7 January 2020 09: 46
        Who will fire him ... (C)
        Continue: a friend of the Most Important.
      2. 0
        7 January 2020 11: 19
        only the board can dismiss him, just like he can take any other. he was renewed in 16. next will not get it. otherwise you will soon decide with such considerations who in the next store is worthy of being a director)
    4. 0
      7 January 2020 09: 43
      And from the ass too!
    5. +2
      7 January 2020 13: 24
      Quote: Victoria-In
      The fish goes bad ... This Miller has to be fired for a long time.

      And who should be appointed? Having said "A" say already "B"!
  6. +2
    7 January 2020 06: 15
    It doesn’t matter that Russia produces oil and gas is much more important through which countries this gas and oil pass.
    Recently, it was reported that the president of Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko, announced multivectorness and friendship with the United States, after which he began to threaten Moscow with the rejection of Russian oil.

    And now, it became known that the “father” demanded compensation from Russia for the damage caused by the Chernobyl accident and threatened to pick up two threads of the Druzhba trunk pipeline, the Reporter writes.

    It should be noted that the Belarusian leader said all this during his recent working trip (September 6, 2019), dedicated to the celebration of the 1000th anniversary of the city of Brest. Moreover, Lukashenko is sure that it was Belarus that suffered most from the 1986 Chernobyl disaster.

    Did we build this station? Not. Did we blow it up? Not. And who suffered the most? We. Then the central government, represented by Mikhail Gorbachev, assumed responsibility for Belarus. The country fell apart. Who is the assignee? They always say - the authorities of Russia: "We are the successors of the Soviet Union." - said Lukashenko.

    But at least for this (we are not asking for money, nothing), help - 10-15 billion cubic meters of gas at affordable prices. Not for free, not at a loss to Gazprom, deliver to Belarus. After all, people have suffered. And as successors. - added Lukashenko.
    1. +3
      7 January 2020 06: 39
      Most likely, things will not come from the expropriation by Belarus of the Russian Friendship pipeline. Because Lukashenka’s serious political complications with the West are now all the more worthless
    2. +6
      7 January 2020 07: 47
      Quote: Guards turn
      Did we build this station? Not. Did we blow it up? Not. And who suffered the most? We. Then the central government, represented by Mikhail Gorbachev, assumed responsibility for Belarus. The country fell apart. Who is the assignee? They always say - the authorities of Russia: "We are the successors of the Soviet Union." - said Lukashenko.

      The USSR has 15 successors, including Belarus. So from the dead donkey the dad's ears, not compensation.
    3. +1
      7 January 2020 11: 20
      Be careful on turns - it brings the bride where ... it is impossible to understand
    4. +3
      7 January 2020 13: 25
      Quote: Guards turn
      President of Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko, declared multivectorness and friendship with the United States, after which he began to threaten Moscow with the rejection of Russian oil.

      Has already repeatedly "refused". And I brought it from Venezuela once ...
      1. 0
        7 January 2020 15: 11
        The most interesting thing is that he tells the AHL what and who needs to be sold to our country, after his words I imagine oil wells of the Republic of Belarus and gas fields, I have never seen such an outrageous impudence. The President of Belarus emphasized that Russia should sell gas to Germany more expensive than at present. “You have to sell Germany even higher, you benefit, there is a big market. And you and I, figuratively speaking, figuratively rotted in the trenches together, ”Lukashenko said.

        Recall, official Minsk believes that Russia should sell gas to Belarus at a price equal to its value for the Smolensk region. At the same time, Moscow has repeatedly stated that this approach is not correct. As Vladimir Putin noted at a large press conference, today “Smolensk belongs to a zone where subsidies are the highest.” “What we can do (in the matter of further integration in the Union State. - It’s not yet clear. Therefore, to run ahead and subsidize for Belarus what we are not ready to do now would be a mistake on the part of the unresolved issue of the union construction” - said the Russian leader.
        Read more: https://eadaily.com/en/news/2019/12/24/lukashenko-rossiya-dolzhna-dotirovat-belorussiyu-iz-za-chernobylya
  7. +9
    7 January 2020 06: 16
    From the text of the article:
    Their current "rulers" somehow suddenly completely beats memory and they begin to beat themselves in the chest, announcing the constructed joint work sixteen republics "National treasure", giving them the unconditional right to twist arms and twist ropes.
    Here I did not understand very well; right sixteen or sixteen? laughing
    Someone urgently needs to repeat the history of the USSR. During the Karelian-Finnish SSR (from March 31, 1940 to July 16, 1956), Soviet export pipelines could exist only in grandiose plans.
  8. +19
    7 January 2020 06: 17
    By the way, I wish everyone a Merry Christmas! On this bright holiday, I would like to wish peace and tranquility, kindness, prosperity and comfort to your home, warmth, mutual understanding and support in the family, prosperity, love, happiness that you can’t buy for money, peace of mind, success in all your endeavors, more joy, ! Good luck that is hard to catch. And most importantly, health, without which it is impossible. May your life be peaceful, calm and happy!
  9. -6
    7 January 2020 06: 36
    The author is worried about his money, enough money for everyone, all the more so since the budget is designed for $ 50, and oil is already 70, but dad can be understood, he’s not in his own pocket, he really cares about his people, and has taken away bonuses from our capitalists.
    1. +10
      7 January 2020 07: 14
      Quote: Pessimist22
      The author is worried about his money, enough money for everyone, all the more so since the budget is designed for $ 50, and oil is already 70, but dad can be understood, he’s not in his own pocket, he really cares about his people, and has taken away bonuses from our capitalists.

      Well actually. Why not distribute everything in excess of 50 neighbors this time.
      You do this with your salary when you receive a bonus?
      1. +3
        7 January 2020 07: 21
        Why not distribute to all citizens of the Russian Federation income from mining operations, as in some countries of the decaying West or the backward East?
        1. +8
          7 January 2020 07: 40
          Quote: Pessimist22
          Why not distribute to all citizens of the Russian Federation income from mining operations, as in some countries of the decaying West or the backward East?

          This was a necessary clarification: to its citizens.
          Your previous post can be understood in two and three ways.
          1. 0
            8 January 2020 04: 06
            Why not distribute to all citizens of the Russian Federation income from mining operations, as in some countries of the decaying West or the backward East?

            Then the number of citizens of the Russian Federation will immediately increase at times. Yes Everyone will be by hook or by crook seeking to obtain the status of a citizen. Russian women will become the most desired brides
        2. +7
          7 January 2020 08: 41
          Quote: Pessimist22
          Why not give out to all citizens of the Russian Federation income from mining operations, as in some countries of the decaying West

          Can I have a list of these countries?
          And how about this in Kazakhstan? The same thing is not bad from the extraction of minerals earns.
          1. +4
            7 January 2020 09: 56
            list of these countries?
            Here is an example and a sample:
            Oil is declared the property of the people, like all natural resources of the country. Money from oil revenues goes to social programs and the Welfare Fund. And Norway gradually began to turn into one of the richest countries in the world, where GDP per capita reaches 40 thousand dollars.
            Deductions from the oil profits earned are received on the personal account of every Norwegian. To date, these contributions amount to more than 100 000 dollars for every Norwegian. For each child, at birth, a bank account is opened, which receives at least 3 thousand dollars of income from income tax.
            Norway is a country where no one travels with guards, no flashing lights, no corruption, where night operas are staged in the royal palace in Bergen, and in summer there are performances in the streets, a king who appoints and removes ministers (there are 7 ministers and one prime minister in the government Minister) and provides a park in front of the palace for all comers, asking only to fence off a small place with transparent net for their secluded walks.
            https://prizrak777.livejournal.com/166224.html
            1. +2
              7 January 2020 10: 38
              Quote: https://www.mk.ru/economics/2019/01/22/na-chto-tratyat-dokhody-ot-nefti-drugie-strany-sravnim-s-rossiey.html
              In Norway, at the birth of a child, at least $ 3 thousand is immediately credited to his account. Before reaching adulthood, accounts are periodically replenished, which allows the Norwegians to have savings of $ 18 thousand by 100 years old. Kuwait also pays $ 3 thousand to newborns. In addition, interest-free loans are granted to citizens $ 220 thousand, each minor is paid a benefit of $ 170 per month, and non-working housewives receive $ 300 each month. The Government of Saudi Arabia transfers $ 10 thousand to each newborn, gives out $ 80 thousand for the purchase of housing free of charge and pays $ 10-15 thousand to all university graduates. The most fortunate in terms of the distribution of deductions from the sale of oil are residents of the United Arab Emirates: each newborn there is provided with an amount of $ 150 thousand.
            2. +3
              7 January 2020 11: 22
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              Here is an example and a sample:

              It was said COUNTRIES of the West. Did you give Norway as an example?
              And it’s not so simple with Norway either, after retyping part of the article, let’s continue
              Free education, free hospitals and unemployment benefits - all this only at the expense of taxes. Oil money itself is tied up and isolated from the national economy - it is hidden exclusively in foreign securities. Revenues from these securities can be spent, the excess profits from the sale of oil themselves are not. Reason: Norway fears inflation.

              Explain to you what it is? The population cannot just spend this money.
              We have a similar system, where all the money over $ 40 per barrel goes to the "money box", to the same "national treasure fund" ... You have a good example, but not entirely successful. There is no heaven on earth ... everywhere this "golden calf"
            3. 0
              7 January 2020 11: 26
              Yes, there you can calmly shoot 7 dozen tourists and build a villa for this
            4. +4
              7 January 2020 18: 53
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              Money from oil revenues goes to social programs and the Welfare Fund. And Norway gradually began to turn into one

              the trouble is that in Norway there are no oil and gas millionaires and billionaires. How will our money be earned? So this is not our way
        3. 0
          7 January 2020 09: 25
          Some countries of the decaying West or the backward East produce many times more hydrocarbons per capita than Russia. And their infrastructure is orders of magnitude smaller than ours.
        4. +2
          7 January 2020 11: 24
          150 million people?) Seriously? can you give a calculator?)))
        5. +1
          7 January 2020 13: 27
          Quote: Pessimist22
          Why not distribute to all citizens of the Russian Federation income from mining operations, as in some countries of the decaying West or the backward East?

          And where are pensions from?
    2. +6
      7 January 2020 08: 44
      Quote: Pessimist22
      But father can be understood, he is not in his pocket, he really cares about his people, and has taken away bonuses from our capitalists.

      Yeah ... took it away. They buy from us for $ 153, and sell the "surplus" for $ 300 and more ... Well done, But for $ 10 "they will gnaw their throat"
      And "your" capitalists, whose are they?
  10. +8
    7 January 2020 06: 44
    It is very unpleasant when the author stigmatizes potential opponents in advance.
    But I remember how in 2014 everyone was "happy" that Ukraine owes 3 billion. Then it was forgotten, now suddenly Russia paid.
    Now about politics, you cannot create allies, if you want the world to be like in a brothel, then pay.
    And finally, it may be time to remember that the 21st century is in the yard and learn how to earn more like that, but only download (squander) the bowels of Russia.
    1. +2
      7 January 2020 16: 42
      are you to ours or to luke?
  11. +3
    7 January 2020 06: 59
    Why does our Foreign Ministry not blackmail Belarus, does not bribe politicians, does not organize a coup ... or the threat of a coup ... but at least something I would do. Au..lavrov .. in a boarding house we treat rheumatism? What kind of friendship? Why after losing and paying a 3 billion miller in place? Why is it in place after the failure of gasification of the country?
    Let people continue to vote for united Russia ... and let the remaining 70% not go any further to the polls.
    1. -3
      7 January 2020 07: 57
      Because in the world, thank God at least for someone there is a concept of decency. And blackmail, bribery and coups leave the US State Department.
      1. -2
        7 January 2020 10: 01
        There is a concept of decency.
        Is it decent when the old people scramble in the trash? Is it decent to live on a pension of 13 thousand rubles?
        1. +6
          7 January 2020 10: 04
          This is your statement, what does it have to do with bribery, blackmail and coups in foreign policy?
        2. +2
          7 January 2020 13: 32
          Old man in the trash - this is where ??? Why so frighten Belarusians about their country? Why didn’t they help these old people themselves? Not in Russian it!
          1. +4
            7 January 2020 15: 29
            Quote: Victor N
            Old people in the trash - where is it??? Why so frighten Belarusians about their country?

            In Karaganda"! Have you passed the cisterns at least once? People swarming never seen?

            Have you tried to live on a minimum or even an average pension? If you pay for utilities and medicines (after 65 you can’t do without them), how much will remain? Will it stay at all? Therefore, most are forced to save on their health or accept help from relatives.
            Quote: Victor N
            Why didn’t they help these old people themselves? This is not in Russian!

            Good man, you can’t help everyone when the whole country needs help. The best help in this case is a revolution. But I do not call for it, since there is an article on this subject. The authorities here are insured both by law and by the Russian Guard. But then they have everything in order with the pension. What do you think by chance?

            Yes, do it in Russian! Go in the evening or early morning to the nearest tanks - give out money.
        3. +3
          7 January 2020 16: 44
          it’s different for everyone. my mother is not complaining. and to someone 130 thousand will be few (for example, to me), lyrics ..
  12. for
    -3
    7 January 2020 07: 10
    No wonder that with such a "constructive" approach, our country is simply forced to build different "flows" one after another

    And these flows go through the air directly to a specific and only consumer? And the air is also bad.
  13. +6
    7 January 2020 07: 35
    Russia, as a raw materials appendage ... This impression came about after reading the article ...
    1. +5
      7 January 2020 07: 49
      This is not an impression, it is so ..
      1. +2
        7 January 2020 13: 30
        Quote: Gardamir
        this is the case..

        And how Americans dream of becoming someone's appendage! "They can't eat"! (from)
    2. +4
      7 January 2020 09: 43
      Quote: parusnik
      Russia as a raw materials appendage.

      They don’t even hide it .. many are proud of it .. oddly enough ..
      1. +3
        7 January 2020 16: 49
        Well, in this we are also competing with amers. they want to be a raw materials appendage of the euro, well, we also don’t miss .. the amers leadership is also dumb (in this sense)?
    3. 0
      7 January 2020 13: 39
      Gave you a "raw material appendage"! It's great that there are resources that are enough for ourselves, and you can sell them. Any owner does this (with the harvest, for example). Do not sit on a chest of gold and languish with hunger. Not very well WE do it with other goods, apparently the hands do not grow from there, eh?
  14. +15
    7 January 2020 07: 42
    By and large, to get out of the situation when energy transit somehow turns into the “Achilles heel" of Russia, perhaps, you can only outlive the practice of preferences for certain countries as such.

    But do not sit on the pipe and be a raw materials appendage. Sell ​​high-tech products and there will be no transit problems. request
    1. +5
      7 January 2020 08: 03
      Quote: professor
      But do not sit on the pipe and be a raw materials appendage.

      But is not Israel a raw materials appendage of Jordan?
      In September, a contract was signed for the supply of natural gas to Jordan in the amount of $ 15 billion - this is the largest deal between Israel and Jordan to date.
      1. +7
        7 January 2020 08: 19
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        Quote: professor
        But do not sit on the pipe and be a raw materials appendage.

        But is not Israel a raw materials appendage of Jordan?
        In September, a contract was signed for the supply of natural gas to Jordan in the amount of $ 15 billion - this is the largest deal between Israel and Jordan to date.

        Of course not. Gas production from the shelf was launched only last week and the share of hydrocarbons in our budget is zero point, zero tenths.
        1. +2
          7 January 2020 20: 07
          Quote: professor
          Of course not. Gas production from the shelf was launched only last week and the share of hydrocarbons in our budget is zero point, zero tenths.

          Well, as it were, 13% is $ 15 billion. Of your bojeta
          For me personally, the number 13 was at one time happy.
          1. +1
            7 January 2020 20: 24
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            Quote: professor
            Of course not. Gas production from the shelf was launched only last week and the share of hydrocarbons in our budget is zero point, zero tenths.

            Well, as it were, 13% is $ 15 billion. Of your bojeta
            For me personally, the number 13 was at one time happy.

            Will Jordan pay us 15 billion a year?
    2. +4
      7 January 2020 13: 33
      Quote: professor
      But do not sit on the pipe and be a raw materials appendage.

      Yes! Right! Release gas into the atmosphere, drain oil into the sea! lol
      1. +2
        7 January 2020 14: 16
        Quote: major147
        Quote: professor
        But do not sit on the pipe and be a raw materials appendage.

        Yes! Right! Release gas into the atmosphere, drain oil into the sea! lol

        ... or leave to the next generations YOUR citizens.
        1. +1
          7 January 2020 14: 22
          Quote: professor
          ... or leave to the next generations YOUR citizens.

          Will they need it? Technology of energy substitution does not stand still.
          1. +4
            7 January 2020 15: 16
            Quote: major147
            Quote: professor
            ... or leave to the next generations YOUR citizens.

            Will they need it? Technology of energy substitution does not stand still.

            Burning hydrocarbons is crazy. They must be allowed into petrochemistry.
            1. +1
              7 January 2020 16: 54
              why do you burn them? we sell out. of course, you can afford it, the rich have their own quirks ..
              1. +1
                7 January 2020 20: 22
                Quote: vitvit123
                why do you burn them? we sell out. of course, you can afford it, the rich have their own quirks ..

                We are not burning our oil, but yours.
            2. +1
              7 January 2020 17: 27
              Yes, there is still room for plastic in the ocean. Yes, and the Mariana Trench has not yet completely filled up .....
    3. 0
      7 January 2020 13: 43
      And where are the craftsmen? There are no specialists to produce and sell, only advisers and accusers.
  15. +3
    7 January 2020 07: 49
    Why don’t we fill consumers with high-quality cheap gasoline ourselves?
    1. +9
      7 January 2020 08: 25
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      Why don’t we fill consumers with high-quality cheap gasoline ourselves?

      Firstly, such gasoline must be able to produce. Today it is bourgeois technology. Iran with huge oil reserves is not able to provide itself with gasoline. There is no question of quality at all.
      Secondly, it is easier to export oil by stretching one pipe than pulling a hundred pipes for hundreds of types of fuel and lubricants.
      Thirdly, who needs a competitor in the West?
      Fourth, you can’t get cheap gasoline.
      1. +1
        7 January 2020 08: 51
        Quote: professor
        Firstly, such gasoline must be able to produce. Today it is bourgeois technology.

        Well, in the same Belarus, the fuel quality is better. Many Russian drivers there are surprised to learn that it turns out - diesel fuel is transparent!
      2. 0
        7 January 2020 09: 45
        Why won't it be cheap? Under the USSR it worked! True, the secretaries' appetites were more modest, and the article with the "tower" hung over the "effective managers". As for technology, this is not a problem, it would be money and the desire and will of the leadership.
        1. +7
          7 January 2020 09: 53
          Quote: Dmitry Potapov
          Why won't it be cheap? Under the USSR it worked! True, the secretaries' appetites were more modest, and the article with the "tower" hung over the "effective managers". As for technology, this is not a problem, it would be money and the desire and will of the leadership.

          It will not turn out cheap because there are no technologies of their own, and strangers are expensive. Corruption, bureaucracy, and low labor productivity will also make gasoline cheap.
          1. +3
            7 January 2020 16: 56
            Quote: professor
            It will not turn out cheap because there are no technologies of their own, and strangers are expensive. Corruption, bureaucracy, and low labor productivity will also make gasoline cheap.

            What do we do ? Can’t you change anything?
      3. -1
        7 January 2020 09: 51
        With gasoline (high-quality), everything is long gone. While under the feet of a freebie, no one is going to .....
    2. +2
      7 January 2020 13: 16
      In fact, Russia is one of the countries with the cheapest fuel in the world.
    3. +1
      7 January 2020 13: 36
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      Why don’t we fill consumers with high-quality cheap gasoline ourselves?

      The point is not even what the colleagues described, but that they, in the West, themselves make great gasoline, and it is unlikely that they will decide to close their production by throwing workers into the street.
  16. 0
    7 January 2020 07: 59
    Something I'm already afraid to write .. kick on the head straight ..
    Can emigrate to Belarus? Old Man accept the last patriot of Russia?
  17. +3
    7 January 2020 08: 11
    Our reality - as long as the SYSTEM can satisfy all (most) of its desires, nothing will fundamentally change.
    Some figures from the system begin to act in attempts to change the situation within their competencies, but this is an exception to the rule (NOVATEK is building a plant for deep processing of natural gas), this is a drop in the ocean and the situation will not significantly change.
    There is no intensive development of our petrochemical industry, we will pump primary raw materials over the hill!
    Replacing some figures with others with the SYSTEM is not provided! She is happy with everything ....
    Draw conclusions
    1. +4
      7 January 2020 17: 01
      In addition to the Novatek, a lot of things are being done. you pick up the shares of the second and third tier companies and the upcoming IPOs will be surprised how many huge projects these companies are building, I was interested in this yesterday.
      1. 0
        7 January 2020 18: 11
        Quote: vitvit123
        I was interested in this yesterday.

        Why, yesterday, who are interested, can find information for a long period.
        Many things, like my "native" electronics, are not worth talking about. There, so far, the situation is sour.
        For example, petrochemicals and related. This topic is widely heard.
        Development IS, but compared with demand and theoretical capabilities, also not yet ah! Hope this is bye!
        And so, in fact, greetings from the city of GREAT CHEMISTRY, once under the USSR. We had factories for the deep processing of primary raw materials, received a secondary product that was used throughout the union, and delivered over the hill .....
        Recently, we have built several, not large, enterprises. They produce products, people work, get paid, GOOD!
        BUT, they, for the most part, use imported raw materials, and this is not Gut, because this affects the cost / price of products.
        That's when they will use only our primary raw materials, the secondary product of our enterprises, then I will clap my hands and rejoice!
        I'm such a terry patriot that I want what we would do, grow ourselves ... except for bananas, I guess.
  18. +3
    7 January 2020 08: 15
    Actually, Nauseda is the president of Lithuania, not Latvia.
  19. +2
    7 January 2020 08: 18
    1. "Each person behaves as much as he is allowed to behave this way ..." 2. The resource-based economy is a feature of the third world countries. 3. In the modern world, it is not even the supplier who dictates prices and conditions, but the buyer + transit ... 4. In South Korea, Japan, Germany, etc. there are no particular natural resources and this is their happiness, probably ... 5. The real principle of the turnover of power, otherwise, from a long stay in power, any brain will float with fat ... Something like that.
    1. 0
      7 January 2020 08: 24
      And the change of power is HOW?
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        1. +3
          7 January 2020 09: 57
          THE SYSTEM does not allow anyone in its ranks who can harm it! Any castling within it cannot fundamentally change anything.
          1. +1
            7 January 2020 10: 05
            Yeltsin somehow got into the CPSU, being the grandson of the "enemy of the people", Lenin, Dzerzhinsky, being from the nobility ...?
            1. +1
              7 January 2020 10: 12
              A person can mimic, this is a fact. Managed to show that he is his.
              With the leaders of the revolution, it’s even easier, they deleted themselves from the old system, and they created the new one.
              This has happened before.
          2. +3
            7 January 2020 17: 04
            so judging by the history of the country, even when the system is changed, ordinary people will not live better. always very dissatisfied. and those who come with the new system immediately begin to fatten. Tell me, what should I do then? I, for myself, do not understand. Wherever you throw, everywhere a wedge ..
            1. 0
              7 January 2020 17: 37
              Don’t worry - respect yourself and don’t expect handouts and gifts from anyone! You can only create a good life for yourself. If everyone does this, and not wait for a freebie, the poor will disappear and the country will be rich. Everything will be fine!
              But let's get back to the topic of the article, otherwise we are drifted far to the side. And not only us.
              1. +2
                7 January 2020 17: 48
                there is no reason to worry. I have already told some opponents on this site that everything suits me (or let's just say life is fair to me) in life, well, or almost everything. about skidded .., in my opinion did not skidded, because some argue that it is necessary to change the power or it is impossible to change, but I’m just wondering, when was the power good and when the common people lived well and were satisfied? I’m not for anyone (good or bad I don’t know), otherwise it may give the wrong impression ..
            2. 0
              7 January 2020 18: 23
              Quote: vitvit123
              Everywhere you go, everywhere a wedge

              Let's see, there is a wedge everywhere, but does it always happen that way.
              I do not initialize our Soviet past, but I remember one thing clearly, we had the same opportunities.
              Of course, from all US we can delete the party elite, they lived differently, but not so brazenly, did not stick out their exclusivity, selectness.
              Now the elite lives for herself, grows fat and is not afraid to stick out contempt for all of US.
              In addition to the fact that it’s not easy for us to live, this also, which falls on us from above, is .... for so many, this is the land.
              1. +1
                7 January 2020 18: 49
                you say that the nomenclature boasted of their wealth, but this is also not entirely true. it’s just that the media weren’t so developed, because there was no Internet, and print and TV were tightly controlled, my mother worked at the editorial office for 40 years. But in our village, I remembered that some head of the Communist Party drove his car drunk, behaved defiantly, the inhabitants of the village saw it, were indignant, but for some reason they couldn’t do anything ... Have you heard about this incident? Well, yes, of course, they did not write about him, but more from where ...
                One friend worked with me, and so he comes from Siberia. And somehow we are sitting, on TV they show forests burning in Siberia, our colleagues began to resent what kind of shitty power can do nothing, and he says that the taiga has always burned, only 30 years ago no one attached importance to it and the mass media were not developed information, and now, says, made of this event! I mean that there are nuances, trifles that we don’t notice or don’t want to notice a lot and they affect the situation. I am not for that system and not this one, but let's go back 35 years and talk to people, and remember that they spoke for the USSR ...
                1. 0
                  7 January 2020 19: 06
                  I specifically wrote that I did not initialize the period of the USSR. I just saw a lot, traveled all over the country and had to go over the hill.
                  A lot was hidden about the upper school desk and the leading elite, that’s true, there were disassemblies only among their own, BUT, they adhered to certain standards of decency and did not seek to anger the people, giving food for indignation. This cannot be considered good, but this is far from the contempt that we have to experience now!
                  At the grassroots and middle level at ANY boss you could find a council! They flew out of their seats the only way, or they even lost their school tickets ... and for them it was like a wolf’s seal.
                  About the forest and fires ... it burned, the bosses were self-governing, it’s also true, BUT, as brazenly as they are now robbing the country under the guise of large ranks, this was NOT then! And there were many more foresters, foresters ...
                  In short, any question can be answered, compared and it almost always turns out that it was HONEST then than now!
                  1. 0
                    7 January 2020 19: 09
                    Well, you say again that it was more honest then. I cannot agree with you and cannot disagree, in my opinion a lot of subjective.
                    1. 0
                      7 January 2020 19: 21
                      I have personal experience of the late USSR. What I saw, I can describe ... I do not pretend to be absolute, because as people saw it, it's all different.
                  2. 0
                    7 January 2020 19: 21
                    recently talked with a colleague, he’s older than me, he’s retiring right now, he told me how he went to harvest and how he watched the whole wheat crop burn in the warehouse because they did not dry it. he says he asked the chairman why the whole crop was burned, and the chairman answered him that they did not have the physical ability to dry it, and if they didn’t take it off the fields, they could start a business and plant it ... yesterday they recalled how much agricultural nonsense, she’s an agronomist by training, but all her life in the editorial office, it happened to her .. and how many such and even greater cases in the country, this is also a guard. but, again, the 70s from the 80s I think are very different, as an example ... here in the 70s people probably lived easier, although at that time people, too, I think, were not happy with many ...
                    1. 0
                      7 January 2020 19: 25
                      People remember differently. I have a colleague, his grandfather was the chairman of the collective farm of a millionaire.
                      It was interesting to talk with his mother, because she remembered everything .....
  20. +5
    7 January 2020 08: 28
    Nothing changed. If in the zero, there was still an attempt to develop the non-resource sector, now all the major projects are pipes and LNG. Even the northern sea route is also connected precisely with the raw materials development of the Arctic.
    In the zero tried in RosNano, in Skolkovo, now the state. the device itself already realized that it was not capable of developing technology. Laying pipes is much easier, you hire a foreign company, and you live on resource rents.
    China is in no hurry to share technology, selling finished products, and Russia is sliding into a web of pipes.
    1. +1
      7 January 2020 09: 01
      What about a nuclear power plant? Everything seems to be ok with atomic technologies.
      1. 0
        7 January 2020 09: 22
        It’s all right on TV) Rosatom only has somewhere around 5 or 6 foreign contracts, and all for our own cheap loans ... And about 3 years ago, somewhere near Chelyabinsk, something slipped that radiation the background rose, so our international monitoring stations turned off, citing those. problems ...
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  21. +2
    7 January 2020 09: 13
    ... "the debt of Yanukovych", which is actually the most ordinary loan that Ukraine took from Russia, and it seems that it doesn’t give back in thoughts?

    Bullshit, the Papuans "some" 20 lards were written off, and then the neighbors, whom the narrow-minded leaders still regard as Slavic brothers, despite all the dirty tricks and threats of war against us.
  22. +4
    7 January 2020 09: 15
    In an interview with Komsomolskaya Pravda correspondent, Lukashenko said yesterday that Russia owes Belarus because after the Chernobyl disaster, Belarus was bombarded with radioactive ash and all their firewood was radioactive.
    1. +3
      7 January 2020 10: 42
      Quote: Good
      Belarus was bombarded with radioactive ash and all their firewood was radioactive.

      In fact, Belarus really grabbed more of Ukraine from Chernobyl. The radioactive cloud has gone in their direction.
      1. +2
        7 January 2020 14: 12
        I agree, but only flies separately, and cutlets separately. Lukashenko is looking for reasons in everything, for free supplies of energy, Chernobyl now remembered. Then something else. Only the external debt of the USSR, for some reason everyone except Russia, refused to pay. Now it is fashionable - all the republics within the USSR were occupied by Russia and now it owes them. Lukashenko puts pressure on the fact that we are fraternal peoples and that’s why the Russians are obliged to give them a discount, and the Belarusians themselves, as brothers, what will they owe us ???
        1. +5
          7 January 2020 17: 04
          Lukashenko’s everything is simple: mine is mine, and yours is our common.
        2. +1
          7 January 2020 18: 28
          Quote: Good
          Only the external debt of the USSR, for some reason everyone except Russia, refused to pay.

          Everything is more complicated there. Russia itself took upon itself the burden of the USSR, in return for having received the right not to share nuclear weapons. In addition, there are still many nuances.
  23. +3
    7 January 2020 09: 23
    It's time for some commentators to understand one thing: without raw materials, everything in the world will stop, and its reserves are not unlimited. This is, firstly. Secondly, remembering Marx with his "raw materials appendages", one should not forget that conditions have changed and developed countries, led by the United States, which consume the lion's share of resources from developing countries and third world countries, face an explosive problem - to share with suppliers means to reduce the consumption of raw materials, which means to reduce the inflated level of consumption of the third world population. Then another Marxian proposition comes into play on the higher cost of processed products, which is mainly concentrated in the countries of the golden billion, but since they are more interested in cheap raw materials for their loved ones than others, they use blackmail and threats to use force. Hence the unwillingness to raise the economies of the third world countries, the globalization of the world economy with a dominant position of the "golden billion", the preservation of NATO, huge military spending and the use of force against those who do not want to maintain their powerless position. I would like to draw your attention to an interesting point: Australia, Canada, New Zealand are not industrial giants, but are included in the zone of Anglo-Saxon influence and trade in raw materials with great profit, provide a high standard of living for their population. So you can. For those who disagree, the way out is to find a compromise, which means concessions from the West, led by the hegemon, the United States, but why, if the force is on their side. Russia confuses the cards, therefore, according to their logic, it should be removed as an obstacle from the road. In any way that preserves their position. And Russia with a developed economy is a direct threat to this. From here, draw your own conclusions.
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    2. -3
      7 January 2020 17: 28
      Russia is confusing the map how? The raw material drives regularly
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  25. -3
    7 January 2020 09: 35
    Quote: Kleber
    If all the money had been thrown only for the extraction and transit of hydrocarbons, we would not be strangled by sanctions like this. Or do you really think that sanctions are imposed because of Crimea, Skripals, etc.?

    Denial of the obvious ... It was from the "annexation" of Crimea that the sanctions were introduced.
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    2. +4
      7 January 2020 11: 18
      Crimea, creaked is an occasion, not a reason. Moreover, in the case of the Skripals, an excuse generally incited by the British.
  26. +1
    7 January 2020 10: 12
    The article recalled an anecdote, which is "what for us?" And this is all the result of a cunning plan to turn Russia into a great energy power, then bish into a world gas station (by the way, almost successfully implemented). And, as far as I understand, all these flows were conceived as a means of putting pressure on transit countries, but each is a double-edged sword. (But did anyone consider the thrown money for all these flows. Maybe it was cheaper to come to an agreement with the transit countries). This fully gives the transit countries the right to feel free to do the same in relation to Russia, if possible. And talk about market relations is simply ridiculous. The Russian leadership itself has created a single monopoly.
    By the way, even if transit countries agree on deliveries, for example, with Kazakhstan or Turkmenistan, Russia itself will not allow this by means of tariffs for pumping through its territory, for pumping is controlled by whom? That is, in this case it will be normal and good. But if it’s the other way around, then for us it’s for sho.
    And about the sale in the field. So, after all, our dad asked for the development of some kind of field in flush. But no. Nizya. For nefig. Here it is possible for everyone, and specifically the Belarusians in FIG. And then they will become too independent.
    So now take offense and remember the quote about the allies. Geographical location is the same resource as minerals, and Russia itself is not shy about using it.
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  27. +1
    7 January 2020 10: 12
    Quote: Sankyulot
    Crimea is an occasion. The real reason is that Russia is pushing Germany into the automobile market, and America from the passenger aircraft market!

    Laugh, thanks!
  28. -4
    7 January 2020 10: 30
    All republics in molasses, one RFiya in white. Everyone offends her, you see, even the USSR pipe was taken away ...
    There is still a couple of Sevpotoks to be launched along the bottom! Oh! Oil will not flow down the bottom ... sadness ...
  29. -1
    7 January 2020 11: 09
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: Aerodrome
    friendship is money ... no money, no friendship.

    It turns out friendship, this is when you brought a bottle of vodka to your neighbor, which you drank for two, and then your neighbor "cleaned up" your face.

    Exactly!!!
    Away do not throw feet on the table ...
  30. 0
    7 January 2020 11: 17
    ... and you will accept death from a transit not of your own.
  31. 0
    7 January 2020 11: 27
    It is necessary to switch to direct energy supply exclusively to neighboring (via land pipelines and oil pipelines) and coastal countries (using offshore pipelines and ships - gas carriers and tankers), and to score on land countries (let them agree with coastal countries on their own), since there are very few such the consumption volumes are minuscule - the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary and Serbia (the first three are generally taken care of by the EU, and the last is almost associated with the EU).

    After the launch of SP-2, it is necessary to completely switch to world prices (which will increase multiply due to the military conflict in the Middle East) in the field of energy supplies to Rygorich - as a sanction for the intention to nationalize the pipelines owned by Gazprom and Transneft and passing through Belarus. Plus, the termination of the import of any Belarusian and counterfeit products (such as shrimp).
  32. 0
    7 January 2020 11: 51
    As it turned out, in reality the USSR is much more difficult to disintegrate than on paper. There is a common pipe, and you won’t get anywhere from it. In a good way, it is necessary that Belarus corporatize its pipeline system and transfer some of the shares in Russia, and Russia transfers to Belarus some percentage of the shares of mining companies. And with Ukraine, the issue of gas could also be roughly resolved. And that would be true integration. After all, the EU began with the European Coal and Steel Association.
    1. 0
      7 January 2020 22: 18
      Quote: hermit
      in reality, the USSR is much more difficult to destroy than on paper.

      In reality, the USSR was privatized by a narrow group of comrades.
  33. -2
    7 January 2020 12: 12
    Gazprom is pumping gas to Europe at a loss and, as usual, will cover its losses at the expense of the "domestic consumer" (this is "don't go to grandma"). https://finobzor.ru/88494-vmesto-pribyli-ubytki-dlya-rossii-ukrainskiy-tranzit-okazalsya-nenuzhnym.html?utm_source=topwar.ru
    Belarus, as our only real strategic ally, asks to sell it gas and oil at "Russian domestic prices", which in fact have already come close to the prices at which these raw materials are sold to Europe. I honestly don’t understand why the Russian leadership is wandering about on the issue with Belarus, why isn’t it going to meet it, after all, are they going to make a "single state" with it or not? Correctly "batsko" says, "in a single state and energy prices should be the same" ..... or not? And he asks not so much, given that prices for energy resources this year may collapse even more and the ease with which Russia made concessions to the same Ukraine, which (and this must finally be honestly admitted) is for Russia as a hostile state and hostile forever (second "Poland") ..
    1. +4
      7 January 2020 12: 27
      If there is a single state, then let's comply with the counter-sanctions, otherwise it’s not like that. Let us eat yours together, but I’ll eat mine
  34. +1
    7 January 2020 12: 25
    And it is possible without transit at all, as well. Why before they could, but now they don’t. We build the pipes ourselves, download them ourselves, pay for what we download, are they really woodpeckers?
    1. +2
      7 January 2020 17: 08
      when there was no pipe (a very long time ago), they always sold something else, even gold had to, so that the legs themselves would not be stretched. so always traded, then hemp, then forest ...
  35. -1
    7 January 2020 12: 48
    One thing is not clear to me. Why are the problems of PRIVATE companies (Gazprom, Rosneft, Transneft) in this article palm off on us as problems of our state? Do they pay us taxes? Ok, well done, thank you. So they use the subsoil and territory and our legislation and protection for this. Or are there many shareholders of the above companies? From Gazprom profits and fines, my welfare does not depend. There is a management team there, so let them pay with their bonuses for miscalculations in management and the changing political situation ..
    1. +4
      7 January 2020 13: 08
      Excuse me, did you collapse from the oak? For some time Gazprom. Rosneft, Transneft private companies ???? we have one private gas, more or less significant, a little more oil
      1. 0
        7 January 2020 13: 29
        For their mistakes in managing the distribution of OUR (people-owned) resources we pay and we will pay only we and no one else. Is it not a crime to sell your resources left and right to the northernmost country in the world without thinking about future generations?
  36. -3
    7 January 2020 13: 25
    Maybe someone from those who understand the economy will tell; is it possible to invite the bourgeoisie to build their enterprises with us? Where will they use cheaper resources? That is, do not send oil and gas for nothing, but use in Russia? That output products were cheaper. Like in the Chinese scheme, with cheap labor. This is a question.
    1. -2
      7 January 2020 13: 30
      Quote: Vasily Subbotin
      This is a question.

      Nikolai answered such a question ... It is precisely on the issues of oil export ...
      It would be in my thoughts to think about the country, not about my friends ...
  37. +1
    7 January 2020 13: 41
    Trumpet voice ... Their current "rulers" somehow suddenly completely clear their memory and they begin to beat themselves in the chest, announcing the constructed joint work sixteen republics ...

    The author, but was there 60 republics in the USSR in the 16s?
  38. -2
    7 January 2020 13: 42
    Quote: Kleber
    If all the money had been thrown only for the extraction and transit of hydrocarbons, we would not be strangled by sanctions like this. Or do you really think that sanctions are imposed because of Crimea, Skripals, etc.?

    Sanctions were introduced to create adverse conditions in the Russian Federation, due to the accession of Crimea (and not only) to the Russian Federation (the whole west believes that the Russian Federation is an offender). This is their misfortune. You know. I will tell you a little secret. I definitely understand those who are connected in the construction industry. HIILTI has a GX 120 gas pistol. So, all consumables (nails and a gas cylinder) for it are produced in Europe, but someone told the darkest one to stop importing consumables into the Russian Federation. And this gun is worth 80000 rubles. This gun now lies with many with a stone on a shelf + work has become longer. hi And why are all of course abandoned))) The main income comes from the sale of hydrocarbons, plus most of the equipment is taken abroad, the dollar in the Russian Federation is now not small. . Here and crush laughing And the government will never recognize this. negative
  39. +1
    7 January 2020 16: 41
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Do not need Andrew for everyone

    Wow .... pleased ().
  40. +2
    7 January 2020 16: 46
    Quote: Stas157
    Yes, do it in Russian! Go in the evening or early morning to the nearest tanks - give out money.

    before talking about these people, you need to talk with these people. What are their affairs, circumstances, beliefs ...
  41. +1
    7 January 2020 16: 52
    Quote: professor
    Of course not. Gas production from the shelf was launched only last week and the share of hydrocarbons in our budget is zero point, zero point

    why then start from that angle? After all, 0,0000000000000000000, is it also an export? Why does Israel need it (people are undeniably the smartest), is this not right?
    1. +1
      7 January 2020 17: 14
      For some reason, the professor talks about the start of production on December 31 at Leviathan, but is silent about the fact that on March 30, 2013, commercial gas production began at the Tamar field and the same on the shelf.
  42. 0
    7 January 2020 16: 58
    Quote: littoral
    It turns out - diesel is transparent!

    Is it an indicator of quality fuel? then Rosneft is also of high quality, I often refuel there, also transparent ..
  43. +1
    7 January 2020 19: 06
    Quote: Silvestr
    Money-Based Togetherness

    Are you asking Lukashenko now? I cannot answer for him. I can only say that if the Belarusians were in the same country with us then the issue of money is not appropriate. And if they are in another state, then I think the question of the money that they receive at our expense is very appropriate.
  44. 0
    7 January 2020 19: 28
    Quote: rocket757
    People remember differently. I have a colleague, his grandfather was the chairman of the collective farm of a millionaire.
    It was interesting to talk with his mother, because she remembered everything .....

    Well, I’m telling you that everything is subjective. my father, my grandmother as they were for EBN (so that he), and how they later suffered morally, since then, after the second EBN elections, I realized that the people have absolutely nothing to decide, in the elections, and with modern examples the same can say ..
    and everyone’s perception is different, some advocate for EBN, I myself know such people!
  45. 0
    7 January 2020 19: 45
    "Yes, more and more new applicants to solve their internal problems and increase the welfare of their own country at the expense of ours."
    The mistake is to increase one’s own well-being, and not the country.
  46. 0
    7 January 2020 20: 25
    Quote: professor
    We are not burning our oil, but yours.


    burn our oil and is it crazy
  47. -1
    7 January 2020 20: 58
    Probably sitting and those in power do not know the saying - "If you want to lose a friend, give him a loan" or at a discount. And Gazprom had a motto for life "Let's sell gas at a discount" So they threw off before ...
  48. 0
    7 January 2020 22: 08
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: Good
    Only the external debt of the USSR, for some reason everyone except Russia, refused to pay.

    Everything is more complicated there. Russia itself took upon itself the burden of the USSR, in return for having received the right not to share nuclear weapons. In addition, there are still many nuances.

    And who was going to share nuclear weapons and with whom? Fools to store and maintain it was not found. It is not only expensive, but without the appropriate specialists and equipment is simply impossible. And what about external debt? Therefore, all the former republics did not prevent the export of nuclear weapons to Russia, because they stupidly did not know what to do with it further, and also did not want to take responsibility in case of anything.
  49. 0
    7 January 2020 23: 15
    In Russia, thunder is needed in order to be baptized ... When we still have to supply it, then it will be. Not earlier!
  50. +1
    8 January 2020 06: 56
    Ndaa ... History repeats itself. Once, Ivan the Terrible, unsuccessfully, tried to solve the problem of tenzit. Then Peter I and Catherine II are already successful. It seems that history teaches us that it teaches nothing. Yes, for Poland, this comrade lasted for 200 years, but the mind of the countries adjoining Europe did not increase anyway.
  51. +1
    8 January 2020 15: 05
    How long will GDP follow the lead of a collective farm groom with gypsy roots, whose father died during the Second World War (these are the words of the collective farm Fuhrer)
  52. 0
    9 January 2020 02: 18
    Dear Author of the Article, I draw your attention to your own lines - “built by the joint labor of sixteen republics” - after all, in the Soviet Union there were ONLY 15 ( fifteen ) union republics!
    And we jokingly called sunny Bulgaria our “sixteenth republic”! Yes
  53. 0
    9 January 2020 10: 04
    Anything can become your weakness, most often it is your strength if you don’t know how to manage it.
  54. 0
    9 January 2020 14: 15
    Quote: Winnie76
    Quote: Fan-Fan
    And on a serious question: What can Belarus be interested in in Russia? What, besides low prices for raw materials? Maybe what a great idea we can offer them, what bright future we can call them into.

    Protection from external invasion, a huge domestic market, raw materials and finished products at domestic prices, with all the shortcomings, medicine and education.
    And what can Belarus offer?

    What’s bad with medicine and education in Belarus?
  55. -2
    10 January 2020 01: 12
    The faithful servants of the “moon-faced and sun-like” will once again cave in.
    They are no longer used to doing this. They flutter a little for show and bend over.
    They caved in by 3 billion, although they screamed that this would never happen! lol

    After all, for bending THEM money will trickle in, even if it’s very small, but “money"!
    And let them sell"national treasure"almost at the price of production, but"money"!
    And they love money. Very!

    It's disgusting to see all this... recourse No. belay
    1. 0
      10 January 2020 19: 56
      If the main thing for us is the reputation of reliable and law-abiding suppliers of cheap gas, then we need to make concessions, and the further the more. In fact, if Ukraine can do it, why can’t others? it would be kind of unfair to them. And from Ukraine there will be even more unthinkable claims and European Arbitration will rule on them in their favor. and we will certainly have to pay them regularly, because the jurisdiction of their arbitration is our everything.!!!
  56. +2
    11 January 2020 16: 03
    As I understand it, the next step is the construction of an oil pipeline along the bottom of the Baltic Sea past our friends and allies.

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