Sohu: Belarus helped China with PGRC technology


In China, the tactics and strategy of the state to obtain foreign military technologies are being discussed. A material was published in the military section of the Sohu portal, the author of which writes that over the past few decades, China has been able to get a lot of military technology from some countries in Europe that allowed it to develop its own military industry.


One of these technologies is called one that allows you to create launchers for missiles and rockets and rockets and rockets themselves.

The author notes that in most cases these technologies were obtained from Russia and Ukraine.

From the material:

But there is another country in Europe that needs to be thanked for military technology. This is Belarus. This is a true friend of China.

The author writes that, thanks to Belarus, China managed to create its own chassis for mobile ground missile systems (PGRK). We are talking about various modifications of the Chinese Dongfeng complexes.

From the material:

The plant for the production of such chassis is located in Belarus. This country inherited the military factories after the collapse of the USSR, and inherited the technology of creating mobile launchers. Moreover, for some time Russia did not have such technologies. She used Belarusian platforms. Cooperation with Belarus has given much to the Chinese military industry during the development of the PGRK.

It is noted that China imported technologies from Belarus, thereby easily solving its problems in the field of mobile ground missile systems.

From the article:

With the help of the Belarusian missile launcher, new generation intercontinental missiles play a very important role in the national defense industry, and now China has mastered the technology of launchers of domestic production. Belarus should be thanked for the generous help.
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  1. Most kind 5 January 2020 09: 49 New
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    Beauties keep it up
    1. iuocsfyu 5 January 2020 09: 55 New
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      Quote: Most Kind
      Beauties keep it up

      Right That's when Ukrainians sell tenologies to the Chinese - they are not handsome, Bandera, sold out. And when Belarusians - then yes, keep it up. And the Russians themselves are constantly selling - also, as I understand it, handsome men smile
      1. maidan.izrailovich 5 January 2020 10: 04 New
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        And the Russians themselves are constantly selling ...

        To whom and what technologies did Russia sell? You will not pamper an example?
        1. prior 5 January 2020 10: 16 New
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          Are Chinese aircraft carriers an example to you?
          1. maidan.izrailovich 5 January 2020 10: 43 New
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            Are Chinese aircraft carriers an example to you?

            And what side is Russia facing the Chinese aircraft carriers?
          2. hrych 5 January 2020 11: 46 New
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            We bought a Varangian from Ukraine and spank it based on it. Nobody transferred any technologies that the planes are trying to copy-paste, so somewhere it happened sideways. For 20 years, they copied junk and unsuccessfully. Here again I have to buy. Their decks take off ... only without weapons, they say there isn’t enough power ... and so on. We transferred the aircraft carrier to India and replaced the entire balance of forces with BrahMos.
        2. Piramidon 5 January 2020 10: 42 New
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          Quote: maidan.izrailovich
          To whom and what technologies did Russia sell? You will not pamper an example?

          Why go far for examples. Even the article says:
          in most cases, these technologies were obtained from Russia and Ukraine

          And it’s not a secret to anyone that Chinese aviation was built mainly on Soviet-Russian technologies.
          1. maidan.izrailovich 5 January 2020 10: 45 New
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            Even the article says:

            On the fence, too, a lot of things are written.
            Examples where?
            1. Piramidon 5 January 2020 10: 47 New
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              Quote: maidan.izrailovich
              On the fence, too, a lot of things are written. Examples where?

              In the Chinese aircraft industry, for example. I do not read on the fences.
              1. maidan.izrailovich 5 January 2020 10: 49 New
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                In the Chinese aircraft industry, for example. I do not read on the fences.

                Stop flood. Give an example. What exactly is the technology sold?
                Yes, you at least mess around. And there wasn’t an example either.
                1. Piramidon 5 January 2020 11: 00 New
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                  Quote: maidan.izrailovich
                  Give an example.

                  For example, J-11 = Su-27. In 1995, Russia transferred to China the entire production cycle for the construction of this aircraft.
                  1. maidan.izrailovich 5 January 2020 11: 12 New
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                    Piramidon (Stepan. Russia)
                    J-11 = Su-27. In 1995, Russia transferred to China the entire production cycle for the construction of this aircraft.

                    You want to prove your point at any cost, sit down even more in a puddle.
                    But the Internet is at hand. What is hard to verify?
                    Here you have the SU-27 (J-11)
                    In 1992, China became the first country outside the former Soviet Union to adopt Su-27 fighters. In 1996, between the Sukhoi Company and SAC signed a contract for the joint production of 200 Su-27SK under the designation J-11 ...
                    Among the reasons for refusing further production were: lack of agreement on transfer of technology to the Chinese side in the contract,
                    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-11#История_производства
                    Do not rush with the answer.
                    As far as I know, we did not sell anything to China from technology.
                    All that he does is banal copying and plagiarism.
                    1. Piramidon 5 January 2020 11: 17 New
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                      Quote: maidan.izrailovich
                      But the Internet is at hand. What is hard to verify?

                      Which I did. For me, for example, “wiki” is not an authority.
                      in the 1990s, the Chinese began to insist on selling Su-27 technologies, including the entire production cycle. In 1995, they agreed with Moscow about this. Then China began licensed production of the Su-27, naming it J-11.

                      https://inosmi.ru/military/20180312/241675484.html
                      And leave puddles for yourself. And watch your tongue a bit.
                      1. maidan.izrailovich 5 January 2020 11: 30 New
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                        https://inosmi.ru/military/20180312/241675484.html
                        And leave puddles for yourself.

                        Unlike you, I am not ashamed to admit my mistake.
                        I read your source. The article was written by a certain Charlie Gao. Here is what he writes:
                        ... the Chinese began to insist on the sale of Su-27 technology, including the entire production cycle. In 1995, they agreed with Moscow about this.

                        Where did this Charlie Gao get this information from? It is doubtful. Sounds like a fiction.
                      2. carstorm 11 5 January 2020 12: 00 New
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                        there was no such thing. if you rummage through the internet you will find how in the nineties in the Khabarovsk Territory they detained Chinese spies who tried to buy knots from dryers by all means. more than once. the pheps were scared like scared. if technology transferred, then why this circus and such a risk?
                      3. bayard 5 January 2020 21: 58 New
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                        They were given the technology of screwdriver assembly from Russian car kits and the production of body parts, as later on from India with the Su-30.
                        China has been repeatedly blamed for copyright infringement.
                        But if there weren’t those deliveries of car kits, the supply of assembly lines and the corresponding documentation, nothing would have come of China. But there was a luring of specialists, designers ... The same chief designer of all Soviet aircraft carriers left for China, helped them finish building the "Varyag" \ "Liaoning" and continues to advise and train designers in this area.
                        While Ukraine and Belarus sold technology, helped launch production in China, Russia preferred to trade in finished goods and guarded its secrets as best it could.
                    2. Piramidon 5 January 2020 12: 24 New
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                      Quote: maidan.izrailovich
                      Where did this Charlie Gao get this information from? It is doubtful. Sounds like a fiction.

                      Where he got it, the question is not for me, but for Charlie. Well, no one forbids to doubt. hi
        3. Never mind 6 January 2020 13: 42 New
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          Didn’t we help them become a nuclear power ?!
      2. maidan.izrailovich 5 January 2020 10: 55 New
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        And it’s not a secret to anyone that Chinese aviation was built mainly on Soviet-Russian technologies.

        In ancient times, the Soviet Union sold technology and the right to manufacture certain weapons to China. This is common knowledge.
        What technology did modern Russia sell to China?
        1. Piramidon 5 January 2020 11: 09 New
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          Quote: maidan.izrailovich
          What technology did modern Russia sell to China?

          The example of the Su-27 I brought to you. But you do not want to see him point blank. Stomp your feet and demand something else.
          1. maidan.izrailovich 5 January 2020 11: 18 New
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            The example of the Su-27 I brought to you. But you do not want to see him point blank.

            To get started, take the trouble to read the answer. I answered you. You are mistaken.
            Learn to admit your mistakes. This distinguishes a man from a boy.
            1. Piramidon 5 January 2020 11: 25 New
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              Quote: maidan.izrailovich
              I answered you. You are mistaken.

              I also answered you, but without reading the answers, you add new posts and your own moral teachings.
              1. maidan.izrailovich 5 January 2020 12: 01 New
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                I also answered you, but without reading the answers, you add new posts and your own moral teachings.

                I even found an article on VO on the topic of our discussion. There is the same as on Wikipedia.
                The contract with Sukhoi for the production of 200 SU-27 analogs under the J-11 index. There was no talk of any technology transfer. Further, the Chinese themselves developed this line of aircraft. https://topwar.ru/1291-suxoj-ne-dovolny-po-rezultatam-smodelirovannogo-vozdushnogo-boya-kitajskij-samolet-j-11b-prevzoshel-su-35-huanqiu-kitaj.html
                And by your link. What a certain Charlie Gao is talking about is not known to anyone except himself.
                1. Piramidon 5 January 2020 12: 32 New
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                  Quote: maidan.izrailovich
                  I even found an article on VO on the topic of our discussion .... And by your link. What a certain Charlie Gao is talking about is not known to anyone except himself.

                  From this article:
                  After 4 years of reflection in 1996, China and Russia signed an agreement under which a factory was built in China to produce 200 of the most modern Russian Su-27S aircraft

                  In fact, this is what this Charlie writes about, because a factory without technology is nothing.
                  1. maidan.izrailovich 5 January 2020 13: 19 New
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                    In fact, this is what this Charlie writes about, because a factory without technology is nothing.

                    The plant is primarily a place of assembly. And the contract concluded for 200 aircraft just confirms this. And if the technology is sold as such, the quantity is not specified. And the party that bought the technology produces the goods in the quantities it needs.
                    Exactly the same contracts were made with India. Small local localization, but most of the components are from Russia.
                    An exception is only the KR "Bramos". there, apparently, something was being transmitted.
                    And this Charlie apparently means assembly technology. But without technologies for the production of components and materials, such a technology means little.
                  2. Piramidon 5 January 2020 13: 25 New
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                    Quote: maidan.izrailovich
                    And this Charlie apparently means assembly technology. But without technologies for the production of components and materials, such a technology means little.

                    70% of the aircraft were provided with components made in China. So some technologies were transferred to them, except for the directions of rotation of screwdrivers and keys.
                  3. gsev 5 January 2020 15: 19 New
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                    Quote: Piramidon
                    So some technologies were transferred to them, except for the directions of rotation of screwdrivers and keys.

                    Unfortunately, already in 2007, for example, in the S300 family, the Chinese were only interested in certain key technologies, although in the 1990s, anyway. In addition, the speed of development of the PRC’s military power is currently holding the United States from drastic steps with regard to the DPRK, Iran, and Russia.
                  4. maidan.izrailovich 5 January 2020 15: 41 New
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                    70% of the aircraft were provided with components made in China. So some technology was transferred to them ....

                    The fact of the matter is that it is basically a glider. And the Chinese had enough of these technologies before that. After all, when they were in the Union, more than one aircraft was transmitted along with technology. Therefore, in contact with the Sukhoi, the Chinese were only interested in engines. Everything else (well, almost everything) they already had. All muddied (contract) with the construction of the plant, all for the sake of engines. And when ours finally made it clear that no technologies would be transferred, then the whole “movie” immediately ended.
                    By the way, here is a good article shedding light on what exactly China raped from this deal. Namely, they learned to make a good glider. And although the author of the article also uses the term "technology", we are not talking about the official transfer of such technologies. The Chinese, as they have long been established, simply copied technical solutions in the manufacture of the airframe. https://riafan.ru/1235291-su-27-pozvolil-knr-sovershit-tekhnologicheskii-ryvok-v-aviastroenii-schitaet-ekspert
              2. Alexga 5 January 2020 21: 39 New
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                I add, the plant was built in Xi'an, everything was handed over. As a result, the Ekran software, which produced aerobatic systems on the SU-27, was left without work. And in 96, the factory team taught the Chinese in Xi'an for 4 months to work.
    2. Alex Justice 6 January 2020 09: 26 New
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      [quoteWhat technology did modern Russia sell to China?] [/ quote]
      Production of radio lamps.
  • Chaldon48 7 January 2020 04: 58 New
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    The ekranoplanes Americans followed along and across, under the guise of metal, a lot went up to the rockets. In some regime factories, during the Soviet era, joint ventures were formed, not to mention the technologists and the designer, various junior and senior researchers who went abroad not empty-handed
  • The leader of the Redskins 5 January 2020 10: 22 New
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    With tongue removed. But now ukroinofoby catch up and eclipse all the sensible framework with examples of technology transfer and sales.
    1. prior 5 January 2020 10: 30 New
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      These yes, these sold everything, even the Dream, well, in the sense of Mriyu.
  • Snusmumrik 5 January 2020 10: 53 New
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    I think it was sarcasm. So in vain bounce.
  • businessv 5 January 2020 11: 24 New
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    Quote: iuocsfyu
    And the Russians themselves are constantly selling - also, as I understand it, handsome men

    Friends, everything was drunk and distributed by EBN back in the dashing 90s, so you shouldn’t blame the current leadership, “everything has been stolen before them” (c). smile
  • kjhg 5 January 2020 09: 52 New
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    What is noteworthy, our country still has not been able to receive such technologies from Belarus, despite the annual multi-billion dotatsyy economy of Belarus, and China for several credits I got everything interesting from her. The same applies to Ukraine. Maybe our authorities are doing something wrong?
    1. Svetlana 5 January 2020 10: 05 New
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      buy и dotatsyy Different things. Perhaps Russia did not offer to buy technology. Or offered less for them than others. It is possible that the officials did not think that Belarus was "capable of this."
      ..
      You must understand that after the collapse of the USSR, all the former Republics are independent players in the international arena and "owe nothing to anyone." And all the resources of the USSR located in their territories passed into their undivided property.
      1. New Year day 5 January 2020 11: 34 New
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        Quote: Svetlana
        Perhaps Russia did not offer to buy technology

        Russia wanted to buy this plant, but Lukashenko did not. In response, the Russian Federation began to create its own similar product.
        TASS: "Serial production of a new generation chassis for mobile missile systems of the Russian Federation will not be launched until 2023. At present, the enterprise Remdiesel JSC (Naberezhnye Chelny), a KamAZ partner, has only pilot production of highly mobile modular platforms (VMP) capacity up to 10 units per year. But in the future, the annual volume of chassis production may increase by 40 times "- Advisor to the Director General of PJSC KamAZ, Project Manager Platform-O Vladislav Polonsky.
        1. Svetlana 5 January 2020 11: 43 New
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          Russia wanted to buy this plant, but Lukashenko did not give
          In such cases, as my experience says, everything depends on money. Most likely either he gave little or there were some conditions that were unacceptable for Old Man.
          And "Buy a factory" (from your post), physically located on the territory. Belarus, sounds different than buy technology
          1. carstorm 11 5 January 2020 12: 05 New
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            neither one nor the other. this plant has always been a lever. due to the criticality of the products. Trying to solve with little blood and not to depend on the Old Man, we wanted to buy a blocking stake in the enterprise from the state, since the factory is wholly owned by it. Old Man decided not to let go of the lever, so he left us no choice and now we have to create our own. it is much more expensive but not to dance under his Wishlist.
    2. rich 5 January 2020 10: 08 New
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      The most significant event in the military-technical cooperation of the two countries was the creation of a joint missile program. Its results were the Polonaise multiple launch rocket system, demonstrated to the general public in 2015, and the Belintersat-1 satellite. In the first case, we are talking about a launcher for Chinese A200 missiles with a range of up to 300 kilometers on the chassis of the Belarusian enterprise MZKT. According to official statements, the next step will be the creation of ammunition with a range of up to 500 kilometers, which will allow Belarus to finally abandon the idea of ​​deploying Russian Iskanders on its territory, unrealized due to Moscow’s position.
      It is not surprising that in March 2018 A. Lukashenko declared that he “bowed in the name of the Belarusian people to my friend the President of China, and to all those military men who helped us to create high-precision weapons production in Belarus for a year and a half”. Later, the Belarusian leader even stated that “China played a decisive role in enhancing the defense capabilities of Belarus”
    3. URAL72 5 January 2020 10: 42 New
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      Everyone does it. Russia decided to create new chassis for different vehicles, which KAMAZ and BAZ did.
      1. Victor_B 5 January 2020 10: 53 New
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        Quote: URAL72
        Russia decided to create new chassis for different vehicles, which KAMAZ and BAZ did.

        Example 404 showed that father can be overthrown.
        And goodbye to the MZKT!
        BAZ closed its import substitution tasks.
        KAMAZ is sawing its “Platform” and will also finish it according to the plan.
        But they went to electric traction. I do not presume to judge whether this is good or bad compared to the MZKT.
        1. Piramidon 5 January 2020 22: 24 New
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          Quote: Victor_B
          KAMAZ is sawing its “Platform” and will also finish it according to the plan.

          They wrote that now everything depends on a small resource of electric wheel drive motors. Dust, dirt, moisture affect .. In general, this "centipede" looks cool.
    4. businessv 5 January 2020 11: 54 New
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      Quote: kjhg
      What is noteworthy, our country still has not been able to receive such technologies from Belarus, despite the annual multi-billion subsidies of the Belarusian economy

      A bit incorrect, colleague! The technologies were developed jointly, and we were able to launch independent production recently, and even then through a stump deck. It is not known what will come of it, but BAZ and KAMAZ are still working on different types of tractors, and our guides still agree on how to eat a fish and .... Capitalism however. what
    5. gsev 5 January 2020 15: 26 New
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      Quote: kjhg
      Maybe our authorities are doing something wrong?

      You just need to buy directly from the designers, and not through an intermediary Lukashenko and plant directors. In addition, it is even cheaper and more efficient to pay a domestic developer. And then, for example, when developing polymers for the aviation industry around one installer and one electrician, at least 4 times as many company owners and military representatives graze. And also middle managers and accountants.
  • prior 5 January 2020 09: 52 New
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    "The plant for the production of such chassis is located in Belarus."

    The plant for the production of such chassis was located in the USSR.
    And Belarus did not collapse the USSR. And therefore there is nothing to blame for Minsk.
    1. maidan.izrailovich 5 January 2020 10: 10 New
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      And Belarus did not collapse the USSR.

      The question is certainly not unique. But she took part unambiguously. As well as all other republics "sisters".
      Among the signatories of an obituary for the USSR. was Shushkevich. And something I do not recall the protests about this in the BSSR.
      1. Dr. Sorge 5 January 2020 11: 48 New
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        What kind of protests? You just don't know the 90s. From the word at all. Did anyone understand what was going on?
        And why the KGB of the USSR did not give the order to the Belarusian KGB, and they were ready to arrest these traitors (
        You can see the cheers patriot, but such a country does not revive. Caps from the couch to throw tanks simply. And reality is more complicated.
        Learn the story.
        And yet, who gave the British secret cards with missiles? And here you are trolling about SU :)
    2. Svetlana 5 January 2020 10: 27 New
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      And Belarus did not collapse the USSR.


      Yeltsin (Russia)
      -Kuchma (Ukraine)
      -Shushkevich (Belorussia)

      These three traitors, three countries and signed an agreement on the collapse of the USSR
    3. carstorm 11 5 January 2020 12: 07 New
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      and who blames?) everything was fair. we needed a plant that would not depend on a third party in creating one of the components of nuclear weapons. They refused us. we are building our own. what this factory is doing now is his own business. they completely lost our market now they are selling to China. no one bothers them in this.
  • Victor_B 5 January 2020 10: 00 New
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    Belarus helped China with PGRK technologies

    Actually why father should protect the secrets of the wheels?
    What is there so fiercely over technological?
    I could just ship the finished chassis to the Chinese and that's it.
    Why not?
    ONLY BUSINESS! (Or how is it in Chinese?)
    1. Svetlana 5 January 2020 10: 18 New
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      One story is when you start to play with mixtures and pick up varieties of rubber and additives, the other is when you are shown the recipe of already tested mixtures. When experts tell you your mistakes, you understand, it reduces you a lot of time.
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        Quote: Svetlana
        when you start to play with mixtures and pick up varieties of rubber and additives

        So the main secret in the composition of rubber wheels?
        If I am not mistaken, the transmission is a thuy heap of universal joints, and not electric motor-wheels. Cardan is a novelty on the planet?
        When experts tell you your mistakes, you understand, it reduces you a lot of time.

        This is simple truth.
        And you can really save time and the result will be acceptable the first time.

        One question remains - did Belarus transfer technology. Or again, Hiley Likely?
        After all, now it’s enough that some chicken croaked in social networks and that's it!
        Hiley-Likely is ready!
        1. Svetlana 5 January 2020 10: 40 New
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          Wheels is an example, which if you shift it to the cardan, it may look like the composition of the steel, the technology for obtaining the temperature of quenching and tempering the cardan, and other trifles. Little things that no one knows from the outside, but the technologist of the enterprise knows. And this does not have to be a secret behind seven seals. This is just the so-called know-how, which is not talked about.
          1. Victor_B 5 January 2020 10: 42 New
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            Quote: Svetlana
            Wheels is an example

            And where do I say that Belarusians did not sell technology / drawings or even samples?
            The question is different - did it harm us or not?
            But the harm to the Americans is clear, even if Belarusians supply nuts for military wheels to China.
            1. Svetlana 5 January 2020 10: 45 New
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              This is the answer to: "So the main secret in the composition of rubber wheels?"
              1. Victor_B 5 January 2020 10: 47 New
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                Quote: Svetlana
                This is the answer to: "So the main secret in the composition of rubber wheels?"

                It turned out - yes.
                But by and large, if we take it element-wise, this is not the design of the latest generation centrifuge. There is the tip (in the full sense of the needle) of technological progress.
                As for the HEAVY conveyors, the Chinese have complete order with this.
                Saved time on development?
                Yes!
                A year later they could have done better. Probably.
              2. GenNick 5 January 2020 11: 20 New
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                The whole secret is that at least one wheel should be round ...
    2. _Sergei_ 5 January 2020 15: 01 New
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      China, unlike Russia, even gives loans to friends at interest, which would then be robbed in full. Why do they need Belarusian chassis? They rely only on themselves.
  • gorenina91 5 January 2020 10: 02 New
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    -And how Russia helped China ...- so no one in the world has managed to help this way ... -If Russia would help itself this way, then no import loans and any other "import assistance" would be needed .. by. ..
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      Quote: gorenina91
      And how Russia helped China ...

      Since the USSR.
      Actually, the technology of vigorous loaf is still transferred / taught.
  • Mutno 5 January 2020 10: 04 New
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    And who only did not "help" China with the collapse of the Soviet Union!
    They should pray to the USSR .. soldier
    Thank God and Buddha that there is no rabid Russophobia there .. Everyone understands and supports us both in the UN and in politics .. hi
    1. Aleksandr21 5 January 2020 11: 04 New
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      Quote: Mutno
      And who only did not "help" China with the collapse of the Soviet Union!
      They should pray to the USSR .. soldier
      Thank God and Buddha that there is no rabid Russophobia there .. Everyone understands and supports us both in the UN and in politics .. hi


      China only supports itself, and when interests intersect it supports other countries in politics. But it’s not worth it to deceive ourselves about our “friendship”, China is a country that seeks world domination through economic expansion, and when a neighbor / friend / partner country becomes economically and then politically dependent on China, sovereignty is slowly disappearing. So China uses just different methods but strive for the same as the USA.
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        Quote: Aleksandr21
        China only supports itself, and when interests intersect it supports other countries in politics. But it’s not worth it to deceive ourselves about our “friendship”, China is the country that seeks

        C'mon scare us Russian China .. Heard this more than once ..
        I’ll tell you so, “We gave birth to it and we will destroy it ..!” ..
        You can kick ..
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      While they are profitable, they will support. They live by the principle "now we will eat yours, and then each one of our own."
  • svp67 5 January 2020 10: 14 New
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    It’s strange, didn’t anyone think that China was helping Belarus in creating its missile forces “for beautiful eyes” or “for bulbs”. No China can take whatever it wants
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      Quote: svp67
      No China can take whatever it wants

      And then Russia will take away Sergey ..
      The Chinese, of course, are great people, but they won’t go to evil Russians .. They learn the strength of mind from us! Without Russia, China would have been soaked for a long time, and they perfectly understand this and conduct a cautious policy and rub themselves towards Russia. hi
  • knn54 5 January 2020 10: 38 New
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    China is not a charitable organization, but a strong cynical (without morality and ethics) partner, which pursues ONLY its own, selfish interests. It will not work out as “friendly” as with Russia, they simply will not understand.
  • Alexander Alekseev_2 5 January 2020 11: 01 New
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    Once there was an infa that Putin sold space programs to China for only $ 10-15, like China admitted it. Now Putin is saying that we are helping a neighbor establish a missile attack warning system. It seems like one of the reasons for leaving the START-2 was this ...
  • universe1 5 January 2020 11: 13 New
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    Well, why are you crazy? Belarus is a sovereign state and can sell what it wants and to whom it wants. You refused, but you need to earn money for the country. You might think that the Chinese themselves went into space without the help of the Russian Federation.
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    Interestingly, what did Belarusians get in return?
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  • iouris 5 January 2020 14: 45 New
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    Not Belarus, but the collapse of the USSR. I hope that the Old Man at least was able to extract material benefits for part of the people of the USSR.
  • georggy 5 January 2020 15: 44 New
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    Director of the farm and he managed.
    Ah, well done.
  • Mentat 5 January 2020 16: 53 New
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    Beauties keep it up

    Right That's when Ukrainians sell tenologies to the Chinese - they are not handsome, Bandera, sold out. And when Belarusians - then yes, keep it up. And the Russians themselves are constantly selling - also, as I understand it, handsome men smile

    What military Technology Russians sold to China? Is there anything to confirm your balabolstvo?
  • Old26 5 January 2020 20: 12 New
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    I could just ship the finished chassis to the Chinese and that's it.

    EMNIP, a joint venture was created, which began the production of heavy chassis type WS
  • storm 5 January 2020 21: 21 New
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    Russia, instead of taking advantage of it (the availability of technical documentation, the possibility of attracting engineering and design personnel from Belarus, the availability of the latest tractor models in Russia ...) and organizing the production of a similar model range of cargo platforms "stupidly" or according to ingenious the plan for cutting budget billions was launched by the Platform-O project, which, despite 15 years spent and hundreds of billions of rubles spent, remained a pilot project ....
    The Chinese, as always, fellows, almost for a penny they got technology, mastered production, and now they are engaged in modernization and improvement.
  • Chingachguk 5 January 2020 22: 30 New
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    And how is this ghoul Lukashenko different from Poroshenko and others like him? Man has nothing holy! SOZNY STATE say !!! ??? The parasite on the parasite and the parasite drives.
  • 75 Sergey 5 January 2020 22: 47 New
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    Belarus is a country that cannot stand up to external threats alone, and it doesn’t need it, it will in any case be used as a battlefield, moving from one border to another, they won’t take it with NATO in Batka, unite with Russia she will not, because our home-grown capitalists immediately flaunt it, and again, Old Man is the king at once, and who will be is a question.
    So why should she keep secrets and for whom? Here to sell something, yes.
    Belarus looks very much like Switzerland.
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    DPN 6 January 2020 21: 17 New
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    Why argue? each country survives as best it can, if Russia is lucky with Siberia, then Belarus has NO such a pantry. In general, this is the smallest part of the price for the collapse of the USSR. WE live at the expense of Siberia, and Belarus has to think HEAD.
  • Mentat 7 January 2020 20: 12 New
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    Quote: Mentat
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    Beauties keep it up

    Right That's when Ukrainians sell tenologies to the Chinese - they are not handsome, Bandera, sold out. And when Belarusians - then yes, keep it up. And the Russians themselves are constantly selling - also, as I understand it, handsome men smile

    What military Technology Russians sold to China? Is there anything to confirm your balabolstvo?

    An anonymous minus demonstrates in the best way possible what kind of balabol carries this nonsense.