Belated response. What do the Poles think of the official Warsaw’s reaction to Putin’s criticism

In the last days of 2019, Russian President V. Putin criticized the policies of the authorities of the Second Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth on the eve of World War II and even used the expression "anti-Semitic pig" to the then ambassador of Warsaw in Berlin. Putin also reminded Poland of the division of Czechoslovakia, recalls a large edition of Rzeczpospolita.

The words of Putin, among others, were answered by the Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Moravecki. Briefly his answer: in his lengthy written statement published in three languages ​​(Polish, English and Russian), Pan Moravecki indicated that “President Putin has lied about Poland many times,” and he did it “deliberately”. And usually, according to the prime minister, this happens when Russia "feels international pressure associated with its actions."

How did the Poles appreciate this noisy reaction of the Polish authorities to Putin's statements?

The latest issue of the newspaper Rzeczpospolita contains the data from a SW Research opinion poll on this topic.

The survey results showed the following. A total of 53,5 percent of respondents rated the statement by the authorities positively. True, 28,4% of respondents, despite a positive assessment of the reaction of the authorities, believe that the latter reacted to Putin’s words belatedly.

25,3% rated the reaction of the Polish authorities to Putin’s words negatively.

21,3 percent of respondents have no opinion on this issue.

A positive opinion (the sum of all positive answers, including those in which respondents indicated a delay in the reaction) was more often expressed by men (about 60%).

The proportion of people who rated the government response well increases with the age of the respondents.

Comments of some Polish experts are also known.

According to the former Minister of National Defense of Poland Anthony Matserevich, Vladimir Putin "tried and is trying to completely undermine the great Polish tradition and all the great Polish achievements." Why is he “attacking” Poland? Where did it come from? The answer, Pan Matserevich believes, is "very simple": after all

"The Polish nation was the only nation that at the dawn of World War II opposed both great powers and both great totalitarianisms: Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany."

The former minister also emphasized that the Polish people

"He made huge sacrifices" to save the Jews, while President Putin is trying to accuse us of the Holocaust and World War II. "

According to Matserevich, Putin’s “attack” is associated with an attempt to strip Poland and the Poles of great merit.

The ex-minister also noted that present-day Poland is strong and plays an important role "all over the world", and this "is the result of the enormous efforts of the Polish people."

Comments

[Severok]

Apparently, the teaching of history is extremely politicized in Poland, however, as in modern oligarchic Russia.

[SNEAKY]

After "work" in Poland, even the most stubborn anti-Putinists spit. How could I write them a war for their neighbor in order to refresh their bad heads. But the truth is not enough to beat everyone with their heads

[The Siberian barber]

What did not please the simple Poles? I also live in the neighborhood. I have friends (though the older generation) had business relations with others. Quite normal people, as elsewhere. Well, maybe there is a specificity, but who doesn’t have it?)
There are enough freaks everywhere, and I'm afraid the number is multiplying everywhere. .... and politics is not determined by ordinary people,

[SNEAKY]

Yes, no matter how you like any nation, there is a beauty everywhere) Well, the fact that Belarusians are true for them, even though they distributed cards of the Pole 1/5/6.

[sergo1914]

Quote: Siberian barber

What did not please the simple Poles? I also live in the neighborhood. I have friends (though the older generation) had business relations with others. Quite normal people, as elsewhere. Well, maybe there is a specificity, but who doesn’t have it?)
There are enough freaks everywhere, and I'm afraid the number is multiplying everywhere. .... and politics is not determined by ordinary people,

He also worked with the Poles. There are friends too. One just got ... stubborn. But he sat on the pope smoothly. Did not escalate.
PS I came there to work at the end of November. And they drove off to Kamchatka on their Christmas day. At the very peak. Oh, I ... got worried.

[Simon]

But how in Ukraine did you get power ?! Everywhere, Washington’s big paw is visible. One template done.

[The Siberian barber]

. life has stabilized, and no one wants the nineties, and therefore Zyuganov has no support.

Controversial, quite! In the sense that Zyuganov discriminated against himself as a real opposition. So ... a decorative figure, on a polished political field

[The Siberian barber]

.He is at least some kind of, but real opposition, and the rest of the parties are simply slabs in power

Rather, the appearance of the opposition)
Otherwise, I completely agree with you

[Siberian54]

Zyugan is not red, slightly pink, so he has no chance, only a "decorative opposition".

[Dron_sk]

and what does schoolchildren do in Poland on September 1? it became already interesting

[d1975]

Kum was there on September 1, the schoolchildren are brainwashed, taken to the lecture hall and must be shown and prepared to hate us. This is government policy. They don't even remember the Germans, but they "love us so much!" Would have written to you more precisely, but the admin will be banned, already started.

[orionvitt]

Quote: The Siberian Barber

What did not please the simple Poles?

The same as, for example, and ordinary Ukrainians. There were people like people, and suddenly they turned into stubborn inadequate. Not all of course, but through one for sure. And rightly so, the younger, the more "Russophobic".

"The Polish nation was the only nation that at the dawn of World War II opposed both great powers and both great totalitarianisms: Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany."

And this is generally a joke. Well, that the Poles always did not like Russian (for there were beats more than once and there was a reason). But to the Germans, they were always treated with reverence. And how interesting is it, they confronted? With some Czechoslovakia, they were dribbling, and against the latter, they were afraid to raise the tail, they only barked.

[Chingachguk]

I agree that there are enough freaks everywhere. But for some reason, in many European countries, they become leaders. And for some reason, before the elections, their policy towards Russia is opposite to the one they choose after their election to power. And the longer they are at the helm, the more nonsense they begin to carry, stuffing the brain of their population with nonsense, especially young people. Or do you also disagree with Putin's statement? Maybe he relied on the "left" documents? Maybe he was lying? How do you think?

[Cyrus]

And there are no ordinary Poles, Germans, Russians, Ukrainians, etc. there are hostile or friendly states, this is why we must dance.
And these "simple Poles" will cut us on occasion as well as not difficult ones.

[Sergey79]

Perhaps you will go to war? Or would you rather watch “war” on TV? Ask any military man, or rather their family. Do they want war?

[Kleber]

Where is the teaching of history in Russia politicized now?

[Severok]

See the Recent History textbook. Compare with what was taught to us. Compare with what you know now.

[Kleber]

We were taught a censored history and strictly with the line of party policy. Now, looking at the history textbook, I find only that it is more likely for the mentally retarded. But I don’t find any clear line of politicization.

[Severok]

Fine. How much in recent history has been devoted to the Great Patriotic War? How much is given to the achievements of the USSR in the post-war period? At least a quarter of the textbook is given ??? I remember I had two textbooks of recent history, the first and second part. There was a lot about the Great Patriotic War there - both Stalingrad with the Battle of Kursk, and the battle for Moscow, the liberation of Crimea and Belarus were considered. Well, in the First World War there was not much, yes.

[Kleber]

Little given. But I am explaining this to you that I have simplified to moronism. But what is politicized?

[Shuttle]

Quote: Kleber

Little given. But I am explaining this to you that I have simplified to moronism. But what is politicized?

It is in the reduction and diminution of the role of the USSR in the history of Russia that there is politicization. Now they are just silent about those who are alive who can actively resist outright lies about the USSR. And over time, you can t.s. give in to the gas. After all, now shkolotu such as Dud and Venediktov come with a bang. And over time, they will also be announced as singers of Russian history, or even great researchers.

[Kleber]

Quote: Shuttle

It is in the reduction and diminution of the role of the USSR in the history of Russia that there is politicization.

One story chtol reduced? In what subject do not spit - the same picture.

[Mephody]

Paradox. With all this, the people wake up nostalgia for the USSR and the rating of Stalin rises. How one is linked to the other is not entirely clear.

[Shuttle]

Quote: Mephody

Paradox. With all this, the people wake up nostalgia for the USSR and the rating of Stalin rises. How one is linked to the other is not entirely clear.

While the witnesses of this story are alive, it will not be possible to call white black without a border.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Kleber

But I am explaining this to you that I have simplified to moronism.

This is precisely what politicization is all about.

[Kleber]

Well then, it turns out that mathematics, chemistry, geography, etc., were politicized ... since they were also simplified to moronity.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Kleber

Well then, it turns out that mathematics, chemistry, geography, etc., were politicized ... since they were also simplified to moronity.

I would not say that. For the sake of interest, I looked at math assignments for the exam. Normal tasks. Here is the attitude of teachers towards students has changed. When I studied, for those who did not have time to master the material, there were extracurricular activities. Teachers studied with them after class. Is this possible now? Do not have time? - Your problems. Want to know? - Hire a tutor. Something like this.

[Shuttle]

Quote: Kleber

Well then, it turns out that mathematics, chemistry, geography, etc., were politicized ... since they were also simplified to moronity.

Yes it is. In the country, social stratification is taking place, in fact, on the basis of a property qualification. There are funds for paid elite education - there is not an illusory opportunity to get it. No money - get your "free" minimum for breaks and be very grateful. I'm exaggerating, but not so much. After all, the difference in the approach to the education of young people in society is quite obvious. Scoop, with all its costs and shortcomings, in one way or another tried to reach everyone to a certain average level and give approximately equal opportunities to get higher education for the entire mass of the population based on the selection of candidates based on personal abilities and talents, and not on the income of guardians-parents. Now, yes, someone has access to Harvard with Oxford, someone Pleshka with Kerosene, and someone barely has enough money for a local vocational school, pah-you, college.

[Stas157]

Quote: Kleber

What is politicized?

The son of a schoolboy says that a young teacher tells how terrible it was under Stalin, how bad it was in the USSR and how Putin became very good now. The whole class, they say, agrees with this, of course. They also study religion (different) at school, despite the fact that we have a secular state. Moreover, in a positive way. It seems like they are pushing ... to opium for the people.

[Proton]

Right now, most textbooks for MA, and it seems that they are written by them.

[Kleber]

Not excluded)))

[Doliva63]

Quote: Kleber

Where is the teaching of history in Russia politicized now?

At school. True, I don’t know, but when my daughter went to school (2011 onwards), it was like that. I don’t think something has changed.

[Kleber]

My younger one goes to school, the textbook looked - I didn’t see politicization, I saw simplification to moronity.

[aiden]

Of course it’s politicized, because textbooks are not issued by the Soros Foundation

[Kleber]

Those. did the Soros Foundation issue non-politicized textbooks a dozen years ago?

[aiden]

It seems you are not familiar with the concept of sarcasm

[Kleber]

Sign. If it was sarcasm, then I apologize.

[figwam]

Vladimir Putin "tried and is trying to completely undermine the great Polish tradition and all the great Polish achievements."

These Sumerians are even more noisy than the previous ones)

[Prisoner]

Do you know countries where history teaching is not politicized?

[Astronaut]

Apparently, the teaching of history is extremely politicized in Poland, however, as in modern oligarchic Russia.

Oh child, small, unreasonable! Do not judge by yourself. Most of those present studied history in the USSR!

[Den717]

Yeah. Because, you see, they can really tell their children nothing and can. And the school today is in the hands of students of pedagogical universities of the 90s. Teaching history is such that if in the final grade at least one is passionate about the subject, then already a lot !!! After such training, there is no chance to enter the humanitarian direction on the budget, even with a gold medal. From the word "absolutely".

[Cutter]

[/ quote] "The Polish nation was the only nation that at the dawn of World War II opposed both great powers and both great totalitarianism: Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany." [/ Quote]
And while having fun, she participated in the Czech section! The poles are amazing to get out of their way!

[businessv]

Quote: Severok

Apparently, the teaching of history is extremely politicized in Poland, however, as in modern oligarchic Russia.

Learn a story, colleague and you will be happy! The fact is that Poland cannot be an independent state, they have proved it many times with their stupid antics to their neighbors, as a result of which they became the outskirts of the country, towards which they took aggressive actions. They were also Russia. In this regard, they have developed a permanent inferiority complex, which they again, over and over again, try to drown out with their stupid antics and Greater Poland chauvinism. Sick people, God bless them.

[maidan.izrailovich]

.... Poland can not be an independent state ....

Gold words.
Well, and in the whole text, everything is correctly stated.

[maidan.izrailovich]

.... the teaching of history is highly politicized ...

Name at least one country where history teaching is not politicized to one degree or another?
In the USA, for example, ordinary Americans have no idea about Alexei Gagarin. And that this Russian guy was the first in space.

[Andrey VOV]

I also do not know such an astronaut Alexei Gagarin ........

[maidan.izrailovich]

I also do not know such an astronaut Alexei Gagarin ........

Yes, to blame .... in a hurry ... a slip came out.
Of course Yuri Alekseyevich Gagarin.

[Finches]

All "sluggish" merits to Poland in World War II - this is shock work in the crematoria of Auschwitz as a servant of the Nazis!

[cniza]

Well, the female half did a good job ...

[cost]

The former Polish minister also emphasized that the Polish people “made huge sacrifices“ for the salvation of the Jews ”.

Probably together with good Hungarians , but the Finns and Bulgarians were the main criminals. You had to have something to slide down to - these "anti-Semitic pigs" Manerheim and Tsar Boris flatly refused to hand over their Jews to humane Hitler
In general, rewriting history is in full swing

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Rich

Manerheim and Tsar Boris flatly refused to extradite their Jews to humane Hitler

You correctly said Man and Boris were the rulers of their states. And where was the Polish government at that time?

[Gennady Fomkin]

Question. Continue your testimony. What other instructions from the German government did you carry out in Bulgaria?

Answer: In the spring of 1942, according to a telegraphic order from Berlin, I demanded that the Bulgarian government, through Minister Popov, declare war on England and America in accordance with his obligation (accession to the pact of the three powers) 3. The Bulgarian government has announced that Bulgaria is at war with England and America.

In May 1943, I received an order from Berlin to organize an anti-Comintern exhibition in Sofia with the aim of inciting hatred among the Bulgarians towards the Soviet Union and its leaders. After discussing this issue with the Minister of the Interior Gabrovsky, a committee was created to organize this exhibition. From the outside, it was like a matter of the Bulgarian government, in fact, we Germans did everything under my personal guidance. The exhibition functioned for about 6 weeks.

In August 1944, at the request from Berlin, I expressed a sharp protest to the Bulgarian government in the person of regents Filov, Mikhov, Minister Draganov with the threat of using armed force against his detention of trains with Russian prisoners of war and civilians traveling through Bulgaria to Germany. As a result of my intervention, the trains eased unhindered to their destination.

On the instructions of Himmler, which I received by telegraph, I, together with the German Government Commissioner for Jewish Affairs, Danneker * 7, through the Minister Gabrovsky, managed to evict Jews (14-15 thousand people) from Macedonia and Thrace, who, according to my request, were sent to Poland. Their further fate is unknown to me. (Protocol of interrogation of the Obergruppenführer) SA A. Beckerle. March 23, 1945

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Theme: World War II
Direction: International Relations
Document Type: Judicial and Investigative Materials
State: USSR
Dating: 1945.03.25
Period: 1940-1945
Source: Secrets of the diplomacy of the Third Reich. 1944-1955. M .: International Fund "Democracy", 2011. Pp. 46-54.
Archive: CA FSB of Russia. H-20808. L. 34-44. Script. Typescript. Autograph.

[210ox]

A nation of hyenas, however. However, I do not care about their sociology.

[Mountain shooter]

The story of the uprising in the Jewish ghetto is particularly worthwhile. In the middle of the city, people were killed. Around the trams go, people do their own thing. Why did the Jews not run away from the ghetto? And who held the periphery of the ghetto before the uprising? Really the Germans? Or the Polish police?

[AU Ivanov.]

To be fair: the ghetto had its own police, Jewish. According to the principle "you die today, and I - tomorrow" But the Poles had a hand in the destruction of the Jews and not weak.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

the ghetto had its own Jewish police

She allowed people to quietly cross the border and get into the city to earn money. And the Polish police were OUTSIDE! And she caught, and beat, and took away what she earned. Full of evidence of this.

[NEXUS]

Quote: 210ox

A nation of hyenas, however. However, I do not care about their sociology.

"Let the Poles rule themselves and they will ruin themselves." Otto von Bismarck.

[Tersky]

Quote: Finches

All "sluggish" services to Poland in World War II

Their, "merits" and before the Second World War a dime a dozen. As soon as this state appeared under the brand of the Second Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Polish dictator Jozef Pilsudski attacked Soviet Russia, ravaged by the civil war and intervention, seizing part of its territories in the east - Western Ukraine, Western Belarus, pieces of Lithuania. Having organized the riots in Upper Silesia, the Poles occupied and her. Together with Katowice. Then Poland captured Galicia from Austria, and a little later, in the 1930s, added to its acquisitions and pieces of Czechoslovakia, which it shared with the Nazis.

Quote: Finches

this is a shocking work in the crematoria of Auschwitz as a servant of the Nazis!

They did a good job even before Auschwitz. In 1937, 700 Orthodox churches in Poland were closed, destroyed or transferred to Catholics, and the Orthodox Cathedral of Alexander Nevsky in Warsaw was blown up.

[Dmitry Donskoy]

Their "merits" have not been fully declassified. I think there are still many documents in our archives, and Putin will pull the strings of the obstinate more than once.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Finches

this is a shocking work in the crematoria of Auschwitz as a servant of the Nazis!

And other camps in Poland. And besides this, and in all the armed forces of the Reich.
The most sensational scandal connected with this happened with Donald Tusk, former Prime Minister of Poland, President of the European Union. Tusk famously lied that "both of his grandfathers got into concentration camps for resisting the Nazis." Soon there was information that his paternal grandfather, Joseph Tusk, voluntarily enrolled in the SS ... center][/ Center]

[GKS 2111]

Quote: Finches

All "sluggish" merits to Poland in World War II - this is shock work in the crematoria of Auschwitz as a servant of the Nazis!

Not only...
Professor Ryszard Kaczmarek, the author of the book “Poles in the Wehrmacht”, for example, said about the Polish Gazeta Wyborcza: “We can assume that 2-3 million people in Poland have a relative who served in the Wehrmacht. they were silent in this, they escaped with the phrase that his grandfather had died in the war. From the reports of the Polish government in occupied Poland it follows that by the end of 1944 about 450 thousand citizens of pre-war Poland were called up to the Wehrmacht. In general, we can assume that about half a million passed through the German army during the war, ”the professor believes.

[Den717]

That is why, in all discussions of the speech of GDP, Polish politicians carefully manage any textured material. Can only mention the pact MR, and then only the name. The rest is emotional snot-yelling. But if they said A - Putin is lying, then you should say B - where he lied and show the truth. But Poles do not go to the truth ... They say that Poland is the most affected nation, but how many of them died in the battles? Only 123000 people. Calculate the share of combat losses of any country in Europe, and the Poles will be the most loafers and cowards.

[voyaka uh]

"All the" sluggish "merits to Poland in World War II are shock work in the crematoria of Auschwitz as a servant of the Nazis!" ////
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Your statement is very far from the truth and indicates a very one-sided
the study of World War II.
1) After the German attack on Poland on September 1, 1939, the Polish army fought
heroically at the limit of his strength. Wehrmacht suffered heavy losses and was surprised by the stamina
Poles.
2) Polish soldiers and officers who crossed over to France formed shock units and
fought better than everyone else during the Battle of France in 19490. Among them, he fought as an officer
and the Polish ambassador, whom Putin mentioned.
3) In the British Army, the Polish units were also shock and elite. They were called
voluntarily to the most dangerous areas and attacks. In the British Air Force many Poles were composed
squadrons.
4) The American army also had a large number of Poles. A very high percentage of Poles was
in the first echelon during the Allied landings in Normandy.
5) In the Soviet army, the First Polish Army fought on the cutting edge of all offensives for 44 years and
participated in a bloody assault on Berlin.
6) In occupied Poland there was a strong guerrilla movement. Craiova army fought in
military uniform with insignia, like a regular army. Communist Guard of Ludov
also actively fought with the Nazi invaders.
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I hope this information will close the gaps in your knowledge and will contribute to
better relations between heroic Russian and Polish peoples.

[Finches]

You tell me more about the "heroic" army of Craiova in the moment that she put more Russian soldiers than German ones ... And what a habit of skimping on their deep historical knowledge has appeared in everyone ?? Like, I know everything - and you go and learn more? It is never too late to study - it is useful - I even, in a sinful deed, led the department at the university - by the way, revered in Israel - Bonch-Bruevich! And I know about the benefits of education firsthand! I know very well about Poland, I did not serve there, but my comrades, with whom I still interact, served on the territory of Poland, with the Poles ...

[voyaka uh]

Then you, of course, know all the facts that I have outlined.
All the better. We must carefully study the history of neighbors, even if
You are in a temporary quarrel with him. I read a lot about the history of the Middle East.
About the army of the Ottoman Empire, the Egyptian, Syrian army.

[Finches]

I would love to hear from you about the history of the Middle East! It would be undoubtedly interesting and informative!

[16329]

Well, don’t talk about shocking Polish units, just the British drove the Poles forward like under Monte Cassino or threw them almost directly in the location of the German units, like under Arnhem-Nijmegen (Market garden)
They just felt sorry for their own, but they used these, it’s logical, the British always liked to use the colonial troops in unsuccessful operations - Canadians (Dieppe),
ANZAC (Dardanelles operation, 1915), Indian units in Burma and Malaysia, etc.
No need to speak about the valor of the Poles, and in fact in 1939, the newly restored German army resolved the issue with Poland in 2 weeks, of course it would have been faster if the Polish armies had not been allowed to join under Sochachev, but nonetheless it came down.

[voyaka uh]

"I resolved the issue with Poland in 2 weeks" ////
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So in June 41 the German army was advancing 50 km per day,
what is the difference besides the vast distances of Russia? It was,
where to retreat.
The Red Army fought heroically and retreated in front of the Wehrmacht.
The Polish army fought heroically and retreated in front of the Wehrmacht.
When there was nowhere to retreat - lost.
Both the USSR and Poland were equally victims of Nazi aggression
Germany. Both Polish and Russian soldiers equally fulfilled their
duty fighting a superior adversary.

[16329]

The government and command of the Polish Armed Forces crossed the Romanian border in two weeks, the matter was not in the retreat of troops, organized resistance collapsed, scattered units moved east, the rest were encircled, the country lost centralized leadership, some strange forces tried to defend Warsaw, etc.
Yes, the Poles somehow fought, someone heroically, but about huge distances, this also affects the defense, Low density of battle formations, the length of the front line, the inability to cover all dangerous directions, etc.
With rarefied enemy defensive orders, the attacking side with the initiative has tremendous advantages and can only be replayed with the help of effective counterattacks, which the Red Army for various reasons could not and failed to fulfill
Yes, and the Wehrmacht in 1941 was completely different, and in 1939 it was a newly deployed peacetime army, while German generals noted that the quality of infantry combat training was significantly behind the level of 1914

[voyaka uh]

"organized resistance collapsed, scattered units retreated to the east" ////
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I do not see the difference with 41 years. Scattered parts also left and erupted. And it was great. Many just gave up. Where did a million prisoners of war come from in the first year of the war?
So, do not carp. There are always nuances in different military campaigns.
But the essence does not change: the Poles defended their country from Nazi aggression in the year 39 no less heroically than the Russians two years later, in the 41st

[16329]

The difference is fundamental.
Preservation of the state machine, army and High Command in the USSR in the conditions of the gravest crisis of 1941
This generally shows the resilience of leadership, people and the whole system.
And distance and space in overcoming the political and military crisis is by no means the main thing
There may be different consequences of military defeats, not only the flight of an office like in Poland, but for example a military coup, revolutionary unrest, etc.

A million prisoners of war (and even more) from enrolling all men of military age in the occupied territory as prisoners of war, as well as being captured in the surroundings of a large number of auxiliary units, as well as the newly drafted contingent.

And people are always people, someone heroically fought both in Poland and Westerplatte for a long time and someone went under bayonet attacks, someone argued

[Gennady Fomkin]

According to the military intelligence of the Red Army, in 1942 the Poles made up 40-45% of the personnel of the 96th Wehrmacht Infantry Division, about 30% of the 11th Infantry Division (together with the Czechs), about 30% of the 57th Infantry Division, about 12 % 110th Infantry Division. Earlier in November 1941, reconnaissance revealed a large number of Poles in the 267th Infantry Division. The Poles took an active part in the battle on the Kursk Bulge, fighting in the Wehrmacht:








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.... Prisoners of 1/678 pp 332 pd captured on 12.7 in the RAKOVO area showed: on July 4, the division received a mission from the command of the Southern Group of Forces on the Eastern Front - to advance as part of the BELGOROD grouping on KURSK. On the left, 332 pd, 255 pd, on the right, TD SS "Great Germany". The ethnic composition of 332 pd: 40% are Poles, 10% are Czechs, and the rest are Germans (emphasis added). The division is commanded by Colonel TIMM, which is part of the 52nd Army Corps of the 5th Army. With the seized documents of those killed in the area of ​​sowing. NOVOSELOVKA confirmed the action in this area 11 td (15 tp) and in the area of ​​high. 220,6 (east. RED OCTOBER) - TD SS "A. GITLER" (2 lm). Particularly important How do the Poles themselves assess this situation?



"Thus, the Poles saved Stalin's skin for the second time. The first time - without entering into an alliance with Germany, the second time - giving him an invaluable year for the formation of the armed forces." (Pavel Vechorkevich, "Rzeczpospolita", September 28, 2005) Liars and hypocrites!

[16329]

In my student days I had a friend a Pole from Silesia (Katowice region)
He told how his grandfather was mobilized in the Wehrmacht in 1943, was captured near Kursk, called himself a Pole, and a year later he marched west in parts of the 1st Army of the Polish Army

[voyaka uh]

A typical example. Ethnic Germans (including "halves" and "quarters") of Polish citizens were mobilized in the Wehrmacht. In Silesia, they were almost the majority. They spoke fluent Polish and German.
Having been captured near Kursk, this man spoke in Polish, and he was recorded in the First Polish Army. Otherwise, he would go to a German prisoner of war camp.

[ccsr]

Quote: voyaka uh

Craiova army fought in
military uniform with insignia, like a regular army.

You are lying shamelessly, believing that witnesses of the atrocities of the Craiova Army against the soldiers of the Red Army will not be able to refute you, but the warriors left their memoirs, and you yourself can make sure that it was actually:

[Kleber]

Not for nothing Churchill called Poland the hyena of Europe .... the hyena is.

[cniza]

The ex-minister also noted that present-day Poland is strong and plays an important role "all over the world", and this "is the result of the enormous efforts of the Polish people."

Oh, she’s strong, but she’s hiding behind the back of the USA ...

[Kleber]

When the subsidy period, and accordingly the free money from the EU ends, then we will look at what they will contain American troops.

[Romka]

Believe me, they managed their loans with skill and skill, unlike all their eastern neighbors.

[Kleber]

This is not about loans, but about the free grant to the Polish budget from the EU.

[Romka]

Over the past 15 years, Poland has transformed, not to mention the 90s. The salary of a specialist worker is from 1000 dollars. The most popular topic among young people is "the map of the Pole". Living conditions are really close to European ones.

[cniza]

Of course, it was transformed due to free money, but what will happen next if it does not change its attitude towards Germany itself?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: cniza

Oh, she’s strong, but she’s hiding behind the back of the USA ...

Only in the same United States at one time a newspaper was published with an illustration of Poland's unseemly activity in taking away part of the territory of Czechoslovakia in 1938, only the Poles have a memory as an associate professor - "I remember here, I don't remember here." Yes, and in the United States at that time there was still some truth.

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[cniza]

How unpleasant for them to remember all this ...

[Sergey39]

In vain have heaped up this heap ...
Now you won’t stink.

[Kleber]

No matter how many heaps are made, it won’t stink. And it smells a long time and to the maximum.

[Terenin]

Quote: Sergey39

In vain have heaped up this heap ...
Now you won’t stink.

So that there was no heap, it was necessary to drive away the crap from their homes earlier. And so, with our tolerant government, it only remains to wait for a "heap" on your head ...

[cniza]

All the same, better later than never ...

[Terenin]

Quote: cniza

All the same, better later than never ...

Of course Victor
But, remembered the joke:
- "better late than never!" thought the Jew, putting his head on the rails and looking after the departing train

[Amateur]

According to the former Minister of National Defense of Poland Anthony Matserevich,

And why is only one schizo quoted in VO? There are many of them. And VNA Ukraine is also full.
And the article is again anonymous.

[svp67]

According to Matserevich, Putin’s “attack” is connected with an attempt to strip Poland and Poles of great merit

Unfortunately, the claim of being "LATE" can be brought against Putin. If some of our historians have long been sounding the alarm about Poland's efforts to "deprive Russia and its peoples of great merits," then the GDP just like that, specifying dates and surnames, providing documents, spoke about Poland's role in that history only recently

[cost]

According to Matserevich, Putin’s “attack” is connected with an attempt to strip Poland and Poles of great merit

On the contrary, Putin only highlighted these great merits

[Tutahman]

Quote: Rich

According to Matserevich, Putin’s “attack” is connected with an attempt to strip Poland and Poles of great merit

On the contrary, Putin only highlighted these great merits

Putin just hinted so far. Who were they Rich!
And if we imagine archives, there the whole Jewish world will clutch its head ..

[knn54]

And then Ostap, I’m sorry, Matsarevich suffered ...

[Kleber]

The ex-minister also noted that present-day Poland is strong and plays an important role "around the world"

Important? And what is this importance? Unless it’s just that Ukrainians were attached to their huts in the gardens.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Kleber

Important? And what is this importance?

This is so ambitious Poles only.

[Graz]

"He made huge sacrifices" to save the Jews, while President Putin is trying to accuse us of the Holocaust and World War II. "
______________________
but the Jews know it. that it turns out they were saved by the Poles?))

[Sergey39]

Of course they know. Therefore, Duda did not go to Israel.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Graz

but the Jews know it. that it turns out the Poles saved them?

Something on the site of their presence was not noticed. The question is why?

[tovarich-andrey.62goncharov]

An analysis of the actions of one’s own state, an analysis of one’s small-town hatred of Jews (and, in general, of strangers), an analysis of documents, and, accordingly, conclusions (and what about three (so far) partitions of Poland have fallen from heaven?) - not for proud nobles ...

[Operator]

What other reaction could be expected from people who "absorb anti-Semitism with their mother's milk"?

[tihonmarine]

According to Matserevich, Putin’s “attack” is associated with an attempt to strip Poland and the Poles of great merit.

Very interesting, and what are the "Great Merits" of Poland? I don’t remember and don’t know. Let the uncle explain to us in a popular way.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: tihonmarine

Great merits of "Poland. I don't remember and don't know.

The Polish army took Berlin, and the Russian helped

[Alexga]

The army of the Polish bardzo is mechanized on rovers.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: AlexGa

The army of the Polish bardzo mechanized

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Barmaleyka

The Polish army took Berlin, and the Russian helped

The answer is accepted.

[Leon68]

Only not Russian, but Radetsky.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: former Minister of National Defense of Poland Anthony Matserevich

and all the great Polish achievements

announce the entire list of achievements pan FORMER DEFENSE MINISTER

[Terenin]

Quote: Barmaleyka

Quote: former Minister of National Defense of Poland Anthony Matserevich

and all the great Polish achievements

announce the entire list of achievements pan FORMER DEFENSE MINISTER

The great Polish achievement is that a pretzel like Matsarevich became Minister of Defense

[Moreno]

I think that the "Darkest", by ....., ie. all the same, the opinions of the Poles!

[Avior]

. The words of Putin, among others, were answered by the Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Moravecki.

The son of the leader of "Fighting Solidarity" Cornel Moravecki. It is of Polish and Jewish origin. His aunt Irina was rescued by the Poles during the Holocaust, at the age of 10 years. Another aunt, named Ruma, managed to escape in the territories that had ceded to the USSR, and now lives in Israel. Many of the relatives died during the Holocaust [4] [5].

During the swearing-in procedure, I congratulated Hanukkah on the holiday and participated in the ceremony of lighting the first Hanukkah candle held in the Sejm. The celebration was also attended by his father, Cornel Moravecki, parliamentary speaker Marek Kuczynski, Israeli ambassador to Poland and representatives of Jewish organizations [4].

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Rich

The former Polish minister also emphasized that the Polish people “made huge sacrifices“ for the salvation of the Jews ”.

Probably together with good Hungarians , but the Finns and Bulgarians were the main criminals. You had to have something to slide down to - these "anti-Semitic pigs" Manerheim and Tsar Boris flatly refused to hand over their Jews to humane Hitler
In general, rewriting history is in full swing

Where the Bulgarians "did not betray the Jews"

[Pavel57]

It is significant that the majority of Poles are against an objective assessment of history.

[Tutahman]

According to Matserevich, Putin’s “attack” is associated with an attempt to strip Poland and the Poles of great merit.

Putin simply said bluntly who they really are ... and maybe confirm this with archives at any time ..
No wonder such a howl rose ..

[sergo1914]

News on VO, of course, fabulous ... news. There are figurates in Baghdad, and here is the latest news ... Poland. Priorities It is strange that urgent news from Ukraine is not spread.

[rruvim]

As my friend used to say: "The trainers, the Freemasons, the students, the intellectuals are to blame for everything, and ..." He hesitated and drank a glass. "... And the Poles !!!"

[cost]

The classic was ... and bespectacled !!!
But redone with humor and to the place
For erudition and subtle humor, Roman is a fat plus

[rruvim]

So my friend was a classic! Evgeny Golovin (knew the classics by heart). Most of the songs "Va-bank" (especially "songs of the sailors") Sklyar wrote he. But the truth brought in: "In the last battle on the Via de la Rosa, the SS division goes into the distance ..."

[rruvim]

In fact, there are Poles and Polaks. Here with friends we remembered the birthday of Alexander Griboyedov (January 1795), the 225th anniversary. Of course, within the framework of relations between Russia and Persia (Iran) in those years. But Alexander Sergeevich himself was from the Grzybowski family, who arrived in Russia in the Time of Troubles from Poland in the retinue of False Dmitry I. And the descendants became true patriots of Russia. How many Poles "faithfully and truly" served Russia! And then the USSR. Let's remember "Iron Felix". So, Poland is part of the Russian Empire. Was, is and will be (I hope). Now it skidded ...

[hhhhhhh]

Being Russian is not genetics, but a state of mind.

[ccsr]

Quote: hhhhhhh

Being Russian is not genetics, but a state of mind.

To these truly classic words, one can only add "and have your own worldview on everything that happens to us."

[hhhhhhh]

Human life is above rights.
Justice is above the law

[rruvim]

And I remember the classic: "The men come to resolve the dispute to the bailiff. They swear among themselves. The official listened to them, listened ... Then he took out dusty volumes of tomes-laws. He fucked them on the table and cried out: But how can you be judged? By the law (stroking folios) or by Grace? Guys, frightened: "by the grace of the father, by the grace ... Why are we so, not understanding ..." And they went out. The official poured himself some Heres and smiled. The day in attendance ended. "

[hhhhhhh]

That's it)))

[cost]

rruvim (novel): Yes, how many Poles "faithfully" served Russia!

It’s true, no matter who

Dust sweeps along the road in a long white stripe
From Chervlenoy on alarm the regiment rushes Grebenskaya
The Circassian horde descended from the crests of the horns from the mountains.
caused damage to the jailers, besieged Gudermes ...
old cherish song

[rruvim]

Yes, he served in the Caucasus Mountains. He even continued the duel with one comrade from Peter. He was young, get your head off! And a third generation Pole. And on the father and mother.

[ccsr]

Quote: rruvim

How many Poles "faithfully and truly" served Russia!

And we never hid it - only "Iron Lazar Kaganovich" is worth something, and he went down in our history as a great organizer of our railways, thanks to whose work we were able to win the Great Patriotic War. The same Dzerzhinsky and Rokossovsky are true historical personalities of our country, despite the fact that they were ethnic Poles. We do not suffer from the fact that non-Russian people brought success to our country, and some scoundrels, like Vlasov, harmed it worse than any foreigner.

[Karen]

Quote: ccsr

The same Dzerzhinsky and

Dear ccsr and rruvim.
There is a lot of information that Dzerzhinsky is just rubbish russophobic ... And here on the site is also full ... Information, verified, by the way ... You went in cycles on his some useful matters ...

[ccsr]

Quote: Karen

The information that Dzerzhinsky is just rubbish Russophobic is full ..

Do you believe in everything that the Internet writes? Do not trust everything that you read, because you often don’t know what goals foodmen have.

Quote: Karen

You went in cycles on its some useful affairs ...

Do you know that Peter the Great ruled Russia for more than 40 years and when he was crowned the population of the country was about 15 million people, and after his death the population was 15,5 million people? You can explain how this happened, and if you approach the history of the creation of the Russian Empire with your standards, then where is the benefit of Peter, if he killed the population so much in the name of his goal that he was not a Russophobe, that it practically did not grow, and women gave birth 8-12 times in your life? Think about it to understand why great goals without sacrifices are not achieved.

[Karen]

That's why I wrote that there is verified information ...

About Peter ... I know that economically Russia under Peter narrowed by a quarter ... But it was the territorial acquisitions of the Republic of Ingushetia that brought Sweden to the future ... And the Republic of Ingushetia received a powerful incentive to cheek ....

[ccsr]

Quote: Karen

And RI received a powerful incentive to cheating ....

That is why I always carefully look at current assessments of past events, and focus more on how this affected the entire course of development of our country. And Peter will remain Great, although it might seem to someone that he would rather be quiet and rule like the old kings.

[Karen]

Quote: ccsr

, and more focus on how this affected the entire course of development of our country.

Stalin would not have taken power from the Trotsky / Dzerzhinsky and other rubbish - the Russians as an ethnic group would have disappeared ...

[hhhhhhh]

Please announce Poland’s merit list.

[rruvim]

Not Poland, as a kind of "Rzecz Pospolita", but Poles, as loyal children of the Russian Empire, and the USSR as well.

[hhhhhhh]

Russians are to blame for Polish anti-Semitism and Russophobia. poor little Poles ... they need to be understood and forgiven, and the Russians pay them money.

[Woland]

And how did she "resist"? Probably DIRECTLY !. It could not be otherwise. After all, everyone knows the "militancy and heroism" of the "mighty" Polish army.

[rruvim]

Watch: "Three Tankmen and a Dog" is a very soulful film.

[Avior]

Good film
Only four tankers

[rruvim]

The fourth was a traitor.

[Avior]

Gustav Elen is formally a traitor; he deserted from the Wehrmacht to our side, but I don’t think that such a “betrayal” is condemned.
The series is called Four Tankers and a Dog

The series tells about the military fate of tankers and a German shepherd named Sharik (Polish Szarik) [1] from the 1st Warsaw Tank Brigade named after the heroes of Westerplatte of the 1st Army of the Polish Army, their T-34-85 tank with tail number 102, named the crew "Red" (Polish. Rudy) in honor of one of the main characters - the Russian girl Marusya, nicknamed "Spark".

Yanek, Gustlik, Gregory, Tomash, Olgerd, as well as their front-line comrades, getting into various difficult situations, come out of them with honor, demonstrating perseverance, courage, ability to fight, high moral principles and good friendly humor.

[rruvim]

Well, you are right, right !!! But a good movie! I was in Poland in the dashing nineties. The people were wonderful. And now my brother-in-law is skiing there. He writes: "how they hate us there!" I answered: "Ukrainians or Russians?" ... He: "They love Ukrainians, they wash their toilets. And they are afraid of us." I told him: "To be afraid means respect!"

[Olegi1]

It was - the hyena of Europe, it remained ...

[Gennady Fomkin]

Please note that numerous politicized TV shows on all channels in today's Russia are always attended by representatives of Poland. Such exemplary anti-Russian political scientists and journalists like Tomasz Maceichuk, Yakub Koreyba, Piter Moran and several others. Insolent, aggressive, impudent, constantly rude to the TV presenter, constantly insulting the past Soviet and current Russian people, constantly urging us to repent to the Poles for our historical crimes against them, and not shy to call the liberation of Poland from the Nazis in the Second World War as the military and political occupation of their country by Soviet troops

Why are Polish journalists and political scientists invited to our TV shows behaving so ugly and ugly? The answer is simple - they are allowed to behave this way. Who is allowed? How by whom? The current leadership of our television channels, consisting of radicals of the Gaidar bruise and openly hating not only everything Soviet, but all of our Russian.

Everyone knows the historical hatred of the Poles towards the Russians. And Stalin’s attempt to make our friends from the Poles failed completely and finally in Soviet times. More precisely, back in the time of World War II, when Poland made unprecedented attempts to become an ally of fascist Germany and even annexed the Cieszyn region of Czechoslovakia. Naturally, with the consent of Germany. However, Germany did not allow her to become an ally to Poland. She did not deign to recognize Poland as her ally. I did not deign for a number of reasons.

And even more - Germany occupied Poland, although the Poles practically did not resist the onslaught of the fascist troops and massively surrendered to them. And Poland became an ordinary “Polish governor general” of Great Germany. Moreover, it became part of Great Germany almost voluntarily. Do not believe? So, you are still under the influence of myths about the powerful anti-fascist resistance that unfolded throughout the territory of occupied Poland.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Therefore, Poland should give Silesia, Pomerania and Prussia back to the Germans, Ukraine to return its western part to the Poles, Chernivtsi - to the Romanians, Transcarpathia - to the Hungarians, Lithuania to abandon Vilnius and Klaipeda, Romania - from Transylvania, the Czech Republic - from Sudeten and Tesin, Bulgaria - from Dobrudja . And then everything will be absolutely honest. But where there.

They hid us on what the light stands, they accuse us of all mortal sins, but Stalin’s “gifts” were seized with a dead grip. Sometimes one would like to imagine: it’s curious what would happen if the USSR was thrown back by Hitler exactly to its borders and not look further into Europe? What would now be left of the territories of those countries that, before the 75th anniversary of the Victory, call their liberation by Soviet troops “occupation”?

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Representatives of Poland are always present at numerous politicized TV shows that run on all channels in today's Russia. Such exemplary anti-Russian political scientists and journalists like Tomasz Maceichuk, Yakub Koreyba, Piter Moran and several others. Insolent, aggressive, impudent, constantly rude to the TV presenter, constantly insulting the past Soviet and current Russian people, constantly urging us to repent to the Poles

"... - Yes ... with that little Pole. He was funny and mean. When he needed a woman, he flirted with a cat and hot honey flowed from his tongue, and when he didn't want me, he snapped me words like a whip ...
- In Poland It became difficult for me. Cold and deceitful people live there. I didn't know their snake tongue. Everyone is hissing ... What is hissing? It was God who gave them such a serpentine tongue for being deceitful .... "
Old Isergil. M. Gorky

[Mikhail Drabkin]

Quote: Siberian barber

What did not please the simple Poles? ...

—- You forgot about the transition from quantity to quality .... when “you can’t wash off a black dog” ...
—- An individual Pole in Russia or a simple Russian in Poland, as a rule, are not declared as guests with their charter.
—But a group of ordinary Poles in common emotions, such as a hymn, including a specific Casimir ... or a group of ordinary Russians on Victory Day, including his specific friend Nikita, is completely different.
—- Emotions or opinion in a group is like an applied voltage ... and the electrons flow to ++++ ... reveals the true Casimir and Nikita, not all humans, but the Russian and the Pole.
—–Therefore, simple Poles did not please me, but I ..... you won’t wash them off

[Yury Siritsky]

You need to poke these freaks with your nose into the documents. Let them read and finally shut up.

[Astrey]

deprive Poland and the Poles of great merit.

In this case, the "merits" should be consigned to oblivion and not to throw tantrums.

[oracul]

It is strange since when did the opinion of the ardent Russophobe Matsarevich become the opinion of the Poles? The results of the survey always depend on the ability to pose questions, but they do not necessarily reflect the point of view of the majority.