The government commented on the idea of ​​verifying commentators in the Internet media

The Russian government commented on the idea of ​​introducing verification procedures for commentators in the media. This is an initiative to verify people leaving certain comments under materials on electronic resources.

RT reports that the Ministry of Communications sent a letter to the Association of Professional Users of Social Networks and Messengers - APPSM (and there is one) that addresses this initiative. It was the mentioned association that decided to come up with the idea of ​​verification of all users who leave their comments under various publications on electronic platforms (Internet media).

One of the reasons for the proposal was, according to some reports, the desire to oppose Internet trolls and the so-called "daughters of an officer."

The letter of the Ministry of Communications says that today, guided by the laws of the Russian Federation, the media themselves have the right to delete or edit certain comments that are recognized by the regulatory authorities as "abuse of freedom of the media." In addition, media outlets can use the publication’s internal policy regarding comments: for example, to allow exclusively authorized users to comment or restrict (prohibit) comments on published materials.

Many active users, accustomed to commenting on articles and notes, reacted extremely negatively to the APPSM verification initiative, believing that this would violate freedom of speech.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

Well, here are the new manifestations of "freedom of speech". With what we, dear commentators, and congratulations!

[yfast]

"Boys" can't answer for "bazaar"?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: yfast

"Boys" can't answer for "bazaar"?

A couple of years of freedom for repost?

[Victor N]

And it is necessary to "filter the market" so that it is not ashamed and not afraid to express it in person. Allegations of theft, treason, calls "to the wall", "to the Kolyma" - this is a clear overkill, for this in a decent company they are obliged to "in defiance".

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Victor N

The allegations of theft

Why are they suddenly "unfounded"? The same Navalny showed documents with seals, but Zolotov was still there, a pancake duelist. Kolesov (Rostec) built a villa in the UAE for tens of millions of dollars, and his salary is much more modest. Hundreds of times. So soon, mathematics will be banned - so that it would be discouraging to count the discrepancy between income and expenses.

[Shurik70]

Quote: Ingvar 72

So soon mathematics will be banned - so that it is not inconsistent with the discrepancy between income and expenses.

You really decide.
Or you are for complete anonymity, irresponsibility for your words and concealment of income.
Or you are for strict authorization of comments and full transparency of the income / expenses of all citizens.
This is of the same order of appearance - that would be as little as possible hidden.
That forum trolls and fake players, that bribe takers and corrupt officials, that underground billionaires - they are all afraid to reveal their secrets.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Shurik70

Or you are for strict authorization of comments and full transparency of the income / expenses of all citizens.

I am for this, but under equal conditions. And then the verification proposals look ridiculous against the background of hiding information about the owners in the mansions of officials, and hiding information about the flights of mistresses of heads of state banks.

[Shurik70]

Quote: Ingvar 72

information about the owners in the mansions of officials, and hiding information about the flights of mistresses of heads of state banks.

Mistresses are not necessary! With them anyway, they will not take taxes for work

[dirk182]

This is, as always, a game against the gates of ordinary Russians. As with the progressive taxation scale. Reminds hasty closing up holes on a sinking ship. Imperious insanity is brighter and brighter

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Shurik70

Or you are for complete anonymity, irresponsibility for your words and concealment of income.
Or you are for strict authorization of comments and full transparency of income /

I don’t understand how my words in the commentary on any article can be equated with theft from the state treasury. But even if they adopt a law on the verification of commentators, this does not mean at all that corrupt officials will declare themselves. In order to convict an official of corruption, it is not necessary that he fill out a declaration of income. His salary is known, it remains only to find out his income for the year and compare. And nothing more needs to be proved. The greater the difference between income and expenses, the longer the term.

[Vadim237]

But for some reason Navalny does not bring these so-called "Sealed Papers" to the prosecutor's office - the prosecutor's office seems to be like a home for him, but he is shy about something.

[dirk182]

into the den of the beast? So he, mind you, is not brought to the answer.

[Vadim237]

Apparently, they have already attracted - they ransacked his office, in connection with the court decision to remove the video "He's not Dimon to you" from the well-known hosting, so that he never deleted it, the above events took place.

[Alex Justice]

So soon mathematics will be banned - so that it is not inconsistent with the discrepancy between income and expenses.

Cool said.
Can bring to court an official for the prohibition of freedom of speech?
Without freedom of speech, there is no democracy!

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Victor N

The allegations of theft

Then let us all be mutually polite, but at the same time we will abolish the moratorium on the death penalty for embezzlement (misuse) of state funds in "especially large amounts"; let's oblige the state of the appointed “figures” to answer with their own property, social status and freedom for failed assignments, for unfulfilled decrees, for unfulfilled breakthroughs ...
In the end, let's politely call on those who offer us to live on just such a minimum wage and at such cost of living show what it looks like in practice.
I myself have never publicly (on sites) sworn a single significant person, but I have not seen a single trial on the facts of "unfounded Navalnov" charges. NO ONE!!! Because there is a fact of the presence of one or another expensive property, but in life no one owns it ...
A country of honest oligarchs, a society of pure judges, policemen and officials, and a rude, silly Russian “grabber-people” ...
Let the one who said to Crimean pensioners: “There is no money” answer for the words. Let him explain where the NWF accumulates and stores so “fruitfully” and explain the fate of the trillion “don’t sew on or fasten” discovered by Kudrin ...

[Svarog]

Then let us all be mutually polite, but at the same time we will abolish the moratorium on the death penalty for embezzlement (misuse) of state funds in "especially large amounts"; let's oblige the state of the appointed “figures” to answer with their own property, social status and freedom for failed assignments, for unfulfilled decrees, for unfulfilled breakthroughs ...

They introduce similar laws, just so that nobody would consider their property .. that they could rob it safely and calmly .. It’s sad, every year, it’s becoming sadder .. The slave system is just around the corner ..

[Vadim237]

For that, last year they imposed the confiscation of property for the misuse of public funds - they confiscated 24 billion. Also introduced criminal liability for "Thieves in law" the top of the underworld began to crumble.

[Victor N]

I accept that many are unhappy with their lives. Himself, still not opening his eyes, I think what today to rejoice. Since tomorrow ..... everything can be. I did not always succeed in fulfilling my promises, I repent. I did not always fulfill orders, orders, orders - I repent. Not shot for this - thanks. I live modestly, but in abundance - according to the income that I managed. I didn’t have a car and a yacht - I don’t suffer and I don’t envy. Wisdom was Socrates: how many things in the world there are things to live without.
And the outrages around must be fought, but without fanaticism. Personal peace is ensured by the understanding that no one owes me anything. Love yourself and loved ones.

[Svarog]

Quote: Victor N

Allegations of theft, treason, calls "to the wall", "to the Kolyma" - this is a clear overkill, for this in a decent company they are obliged to "in defiance".

So right, it’s much easier to shut up your mouths than to rebuild the economy, fight corruption .. to build children in warm places .. Those appeals are not from a good life, but from the fact that people see impunity of officials, permissiveness, corruption and nepotism ..

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Victor N

And it is necessary to "filter the market" so that it is not ashamed and not afraid to express it in person.

Do not smack nonsense, it hurts. I can tell you dozens of real-life situations in which I was a participant, which, however, cannot be proved in court. Well, I don’t have records of replicas of the commission as part of the leadership of the prosecutor’s office, the tax, representatives of the governor’s administration, etc., on which they demanded of me to bankrupt the city-forming enterprise out of the blue. But the fact of the conversation is. And with the new law, for voicing such a situation in the comments, I risk getting into trouble.

[polar fox]

[quote = Andrey from Chelyabinsk] I can tell you dozens of real situations in which I was a participant, which, nevertheless, cannot be proved in court. [/ quote
with all due respect: he was suing himself, there was a bunch of documents-requests and a court record, where both the "plaintiffs" and the judge slandered me ... but when I tried to prosecute for libel and forgery of documents, the judges were blown away at the same time! a copy of the case is at home, sometimes I reread it. when I want to try to believe in the "incorruptibility of judges")))

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: polar fox

with all due respect: he was suing himself, there was a bunch of documents, requests and a court record, where both the "plaintiffs" and the judge slandered me ..

On this, I just did not focus my attention :))))

[Vadim237]

Next time you buy a spy video camera with sound recording - and take it to such meetings. That would be nagibalovo was equivalent.

[pru-pavel]

For espionage technique and recording without permission of citizens up to criminal, liability is provided

[Vadim237]

If you begin to blackmail and threaten - its use is justified, in which case there will be either a fine or a condition.

[Alf]

Quote: Vadim237

If you begin to blackmail and threaten - its use is justified,

If you contacted the police, they started a case there and only then they will give you permission to record.

[Vadim237]

A friend in 2015 acted differently, the sentence was conditional, and those cops who blackmailed him were imprisoned.

[Alf]

Quote: Vadim237

and those cops that blackmailed him.

Cops planted ??? Fresh giving, but hard to believe.

[Avior]

Your problems will be already at the purchase stage
How many people on aliexpress for shopping problems had

[NKT]

Moreover, "these" will still make authorization through the website of the State Service, so that it is "advanced".

[Piramidon]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: yfast

"Boys" can't answer for "bazaar"?

A couple of years of freedom for repost?

If they want to put someone in jail, they will figure it out without verification (there are already such ones), but the "daughters of officers" and balobols with references to "sources close to ... who wished to remain anonymous" are likely to diminish. IMHO

[bessmertniy]

Professional journalism practices publishing under a pseudonym. This allows you to protect the professional from possible attacks and even attempts. At the same time, the editors are not entitled to disclose a pseudonym, except in special cases, which are prescribed by law. In this case, there is a search for commentators.

[cniza]

The authorities will soon be afraid of their shadow ...

[30hgsa]

And here a shadow. Take the case of winter cherries. There was a clean fake on the number of victims launched by the freewheeling ukrotroll. Who carried this fake to forums and communities, fanned it and distributed it? Who did not check the information and spread rumors, and then used the same rumors for anti-state propaganda?

Where is the shadow? This is the real problem, the Internet is being used as a weapon in the political struggle. A significant number of users, due to their thinking defects, cannot filter information; as a result, one "officer's daughter" creates a lot of problems out of nothing.

If you yourself have not been able to become a "mature community", then the state will definitely begin to suppress anti-state activities :) It is foolish to expect otherwise.

[The popuas]

ukrotrol Volnov .... and what became of him for this? ... and Russian Vanka, if he says that he is in the Duma ... you are alone, they will attract ... The point is how this law will be applied! And, most likely, they will use it to close their mouths ...

[30hgsa]

And how will they disperse the wave of hysteria in the comments if each commentator is authorized and knows exactly what he is writing from himself? Look at VO how many "officers' daughters" are there. Here they will not be. Tarasik from Kiev will not be able to go to VO and write "I myself am an employee of the Ministry of Emergency Situations of the Russian Federation, that's what I know ...."
And those who write sincerely - due to the fact that they will not psi anonymously - will at least think about what they write and take a more responsible approach to checking information. Therefore, the stuffing will remain, but the hype on them to disperse it so simply will not work.

[The popuas]

Even as he can, how do you forbid him ??? Tarasik Tsybula is registered and will write that he will be ??? I asked a question what became Freedom for stuffing ... ??? The law of the Russian Federation is valid only on the territory of the Russian Federation ... they will throw it away, and the Russian, if he does not like the state of things in the country and he writes about it, will slap an article ... I will talk about it.

[30hgsa]

Well, he’s registered and ... it will be immediately apparent, including the administration of the site / forum, that this is not Olga, an employee of the Ministry of Emergencies from Omsk, but a taras from Zaporozhye. The identity is verified. Any attempts to produce clones and bots under VPN do not roll already. And most likely Urk will not be able to write comments on the Russian site at all.

And take the caps off - don't throw tantrums here.

[The popuas]

I asked a question ... what did he feel for it? And what will become similar if this law is adopted? I can answer it myself .... N I E F G O ....! I’ll tell a secret to the owners of the sites and so they see who writes where from ...!

[30hgsa]

Site owners do not see where it is written under VPN.
And the task here is not to persecute those who cannot be reached (for now), but to bring some commentators to life / close access to comments for others. The same freed simply could not write anything on the forums with verification of identity, most likely. Public deanonymization in itself will make people think with their heads and filter information. What you can write thinking that you are anonymous ... do not write going from under your name.

[region58]

Quote: 30hgsa

the task here is not to persecute those who cannot be reached (for now), but to bring some commentators to their senses / close access to comments for others.

And let's look at the question from the other side: specifically about VO - there are many quite adequate people from other countries on the site (the same Ukraine, Bulgaria, Kazakhstan and others). Will the relevant services of their countries be interested in them after they express their opinion here and indicate their data here? And thanks to them, we have, so to speak, a "side view" of many events. Question...

[30hgsa]

If they adequately express their opinion, why on earth should the special services be interested in them? We polinterneta starting site ehi-matzah scolds power and not anonymously and nothing.

[region58]

Quote: 30hgsa

If they adequately express their opinion, why on earth should the special services be interested in them?

We can consider them adequate from our point of view, their special services may have a different opinion.

[30hgsa]

So verification does not imply that the name will be in the public domain.

[region58]

Quote: 30hgsa

verification does not imply that the name will be in the public domain.

Yeah ... Our traffic police and tax databases are kind of not freely available, however, as the same "Man and Law" says, it is not very expensive to purchase them.

PS I am not against putting things in order, very much for, and that everyone thinks before writing, but somehow it is necessary to be more careful, without cavalry ...

[Alf]

Quote: region58

We have a database of traffic police and tax

Last year I bought for 1600 wooden.

[region58]

Quote: Alf

Last year I bought

In. And immediately the question will appear in people in civilian clothes:

[Alf]

Quote: region58

And immediately the question will appear in people in civilian clothes:

No, will not appear. I took the medical base.

[loki565]

In what do you think for what the flags were removed in VO ???)))

[30hgsa]

As for VO, everything is complicated. I haven’t considered VO a pro-Russian site for a long time :)

[Alf]

Quote: 30hgsa

I haven’t considered VO a pro-Russian site for a long time :)

Pro-Russian and pro-Putin are completely different things.

[Lontus]

Quote: loki565

In what do you think for what the flags were removed in VO ???)))

What would have entrenched here in a huge number of Israeli propagandists was not visible.
Obviously.

[Victor N]

They’ll attract Vanka and do it right: he didn’t stand with a candle, or he himself participated. Let such mouths close their mouths, nefig litter.

[The popuas]

Vitkov, too, will not bypass

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: 30hgsa

There was a clean fake on the number of victims launched by the freewheeling ukrotroll. Who carried this fake to forums and communities, fanned it and distributed it?

You don’t mention the “Winter Cherry” ... Trolls and all sorts of things appear there, there is no operational information on the “hot topic”. In our case, the residents of the city did not believe these stuffing and gathered on the Square of the Soviets only because of the cynicism and disregard of officials with the fate of the townspeople.
By the way, I didn’t hear something about the official punishment of the perpetrators according to the gravity of the crime.
And about the "Black Snow" in Kuzbass and the black soot in the cities lie "sluts" and "rogue" ...
Let them start an official site of the type: RIA NEWS (DISCLAIMERS), on which all this fraternity of paid "utryakalok" will refute various fakes.
And it will be even better when each "honest citizen" will bring its expenses in line with income at the request of the Investigative Committee and the Prosecutor's Office ...

[30hgsa]

1. There can be no operational information with the exact number of victims until the end of the fire and the carrying out of initial investigative measures on the spot. That is why the number of victims usually increases as information is collected. Only a very stupid person can demand accurate information and complain that it is not available half an hour after the start of a fire. Usually it takes several days to collect complete information - while investigative actions, identifications, etc.

2. And yes, I saw the broadcast of that very rally and heard what they were talking about - the main topic there was just "the underestimation of the number of victims."

3. As for the "disregard" ... the fire occurred on March 25, the rally was on March 27. How could a devil-may-care attitude manifest itself in two days? During these two days, what were they denied in compensation? Have you opened a criminal case? Or what?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: 30hgsa

How in two days could a slanderous attitude manifest itself?

I will not answer - just appreciated.
When will you learn to read carefully?

In our case, the residents of the city did not believe these stuffing and gathered on the Square of the Soviets only because of the cynicism and disregard of officials with the fate of the townspeople.

Have you seen the “Guarantor" arrival? He spoke with whom, whom he reassured, what he said publicly to the citizens of the city? What did Tuleyev say? Did he go out (meet people)? This is a disregarding attitude when the elected government is afraid of its own voter ...
Almost two years have passed. on Builders Boulevard in basement shops and institutions (from Oktyabrsky Ave. to Khimikov Ave.) AT LEAST IN ONE !!! “Emergency exit” appeared?
Come, go and see, and then tell me here how “the loot conquers evil” ...

[30hgsa]

Oh ... Let's not lie. Now is the age of digital technology and everything is recorded.
When you write that you "did not believe" and "did not gather because of the underestimation of the number of victims" ...
Here is a link to the rally record
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVbjEc0LS1A
Tell me what they say in the first seconds of the broadcast?
Well, where about "if you add up the number of seats in cinemas", etc.
Not about understating the number of victims?
You really are not ashamed to LIE, knowing that your lies are easily refuted.

[Svarog]

Quote: 30hgsa

You really are not ashamed to LIE, knowing that your lies are easily refuted.

Listen, at the helm the same people for 20 years. Suppose that they would be able to achieve results in the economy, science, industry, and the population would feel it on their own skin, through an increase in pensions, social benefits. And so on, in general, the quality of life we ​​have become at the level of, say, Finland .. Do you think such laws would be needed ? I think no. The people would be with all hands and feet for such a government .. But now the situation is different, sheer lies and tightening the screws is just to maintain power ...

[30hgsa]

In 1991, the collapse of the USSR
In 2004/2014 Maidan in Ukraine
In France, with many times higher standard of living - yellow vests
Hong Kong riots over a bill to extradite a killer to the Chinese Continental Authority.
Tell me more about the fact that dissatisfaction with the authorities is generated solely by the shortcomings of those authorities.

[Dart2027]

Quote: 30hgsa

Tell me more about the fact that dissatisfaction with the authorities is generated solely by the shortcomings of those authorities.

And this is a mantra which is repeated at every convenient and inconvenient occasion.

[dirk182]

At every opportunity, the mantra "start with yourself" is repeated.

[Dart2027]

Quote: dirk182

repeat the mantra "start with yourself"

This is when some "uncle" begins to say that they say he knows for sure that they’re lying on TV, because he works there and knows for sure that in fact there is nothing, but one marriage and to blame for this ... Soviet power. He works there, and the authorities are to blame.
Now it’s not SV, but Putin.

[Vadim237]

Moreover, these rebels in China showed themselves in all their glory - they doused a person with gasoline and set on fire, cleanly utterly repulsed thugs who are in no way inferior to ISIS terrorists, which the Chinese authorities think I don’t know about cussing with these creatures.

[dirk182]

Just some kind of horror. And we doused ourselves, set on fire. And even group fires happen. Of my own free will. Witnesses say that from a good life. A guy that's burning the other day in St. Petersburg fell.
You remind me of a feminist advocating for a domestic violence law. You are also trying to exaggerate from a knowingly criminal act and associate it with "riots". What a word. A riot on a ship, in a prison. You can draw an analogy yourself, I hope.

[Vadim237]

And you remind me of the ram who hollows the gate - I'm talking about the protesting bandits killing on camera - you tell me about Russian crazy self-incendiaries and other accidents scattered across the country involving various morons.

[dirk182]

Macron's and Putin's New Year's address, at least compare. And enough already to chew why "it is necessary". It's time to understand already, the people are fed up with this power. I wonder how you will explain the increase in personal income tax to 16 percent. (Kalash in the ass)

[Vadim237]

We will talk about raising personal income tax to 16% when this proposal will be at least in the form of a law for consideration.

[dirk182]

and how do you comment on Voloshin’s appointment? Or not in the know? Why is this ghost of Yeltsin in power again?

[Dart2027]

Quote: ROSS 42

Have you seen the “Guarantor" arrival? He spoke with whom, whom he reassured, what he said publicly to the citizens of the city?

What should he say? That so far nothing is clear since

Quote: 30hgsa

There can be no operational information with the exact number of victims until the end of the fire and the carrying out of initial investigative measures on the spot.

Well, what's the point?

[30hgsa]

The point is that people are seduced, but they can’t admit their stupidity, so they begin to come up with other reasons for their discontent, in hindsight.

[Galleon]

Quote: 30hgsa

If you yourself have not been able to become a "mature community", then the state will definitely begin to suppress anti-state activities :) It is foolish to expect otherwise.

People do not need to lie, then people will not pick up fakes. let the government show its honest life and re-gain the trust of people. As long as this trust is lost - people will believe anything, but not false power and false propaganda.

[Victor N]

Do you allow showing your privacy? I am categorically against such spying!

[polar fox]

Quote: 30hgsa

Take the case of winter cherries.

take more cases with Kerch, with Tu 154, and their "official voice acting" ... there is a pretzel, not disfigured by the intellect, it’s the very thing, but if you think about it and compare (already extremism, in practice), then something is not "drawn a picture." ..

[dirk182]

the Tu-154 is generally silent, although at first it was promised to voice the investigation materials. I don’t want to talk about Kerch. In the summer I had a chance to listen to the guys who were there. Someone covered his ass and all. From the category of chaos with shooting at the Lubyanka.

[Alf]

Quote: cniza

The authorities will soon be afraid of their shadow ...

[Shuttle]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Well, here are the new manifestations of "freedom of speech". With what we, dear commentators, and congratulations!

From what? This is a fight against anonymous girls, not a gag.

[rocket757]

Quote: Shuttle

From what? This is a fight against anonymous girls, not a gag.

You have the desire to write, have the courage to answer for YOUR WORDS.
Nothing new, in principle. Anonymus anywhere and never loved ...

[cniza]

Anonymus anywhere and never loved

Yes, and our time it is not possible to be.

[rocket757]

Quote: cniza

Yes, and our time it is not possible to be.

The task for the offices.
For the average man, what's the point of hiding? To write nasty things \ nonsense and rejoice that they really can’t answer you? This is no longer normal, this is a diagnosis.
Criticism, even harsh, especially the search for the TRUTH, this is not for anonymous people, this is a task for brave people!
It turns out that anonymous people admit in advance that they are cowards! Can anyone be proud of this?

[naidas]

Quote: rocket757

It turns out that anonymous people admit in advance that they are cowards! Can anyone be proud of this?

And the one who spoke openly will be blacklisted once if he finds out that he’s got there (we have candidates and they check social networks). And then he will be silent.
Galich also wrote about this:

But because silence is gold
Keep silent - you will fall into the rich!
How many times have we been silent in different ways
But not against, of course, but for.
Where are the screamers and sorrows now?
Noisy and perished from a young age ...
And the silencers became bosses.
Because silence is gold.
Let others cry out of despair
From resentment, from pain, from hunger!
We know that silence is more profitable,
Because silence is gold!
This is how easy it is to get rich
Here's how to just get into the pervachi,
Here's how to simply get into the executioners:
Keep silent, keep silent, keep silent!

[rocket757]

The only thing that can pose a serious danger is small-town "bars", but initiative fools !!!
The danger is real, little predictable and from that it can turn out to be the worst!

[Polite Moose]

Quote: rocket757

You have the desire to write, have the courage to answer for YOUR WORDS.
Nothing new, in principle. Anonymus anywhere and never loved ...

Victor! You cannot argue with your words. But let's try to guess what will happen as a result of these innovations. As I think to myself, there will be posts and comments on Russian resources that will 100% repeat and support the official (that is, the only correct) point of view on any events. "hesitating with the party line" will not be punishable. Well, maybe a little bit of nihilism will be added for reliability. In other words: as a result, we will receive propaganda in its pure form in the information field. Which, in general, is to be expected. The authorities cannot continue to ignore such a powerful instrument of influencing the mass consciousness as the Internet.
True, it is not clear how they are going to fight the dissemination of information on non-Russian sites? But it is precisely there that people will go for alternative information.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Polite Elk

True, it is not clear how they are going to fight the dissemination of information on non-Russian sites? But it is precisely there that people will go for alternative information.

That will be so if life within the country does not change. And on other people's sites, tracking lies and falsehoods is very problematic. As I noticed, it is from these resources that the curses and insults (baseless) of everyone and everything are pouring.
I don’t understand what the “fabulous bots” are trying to prove to us? Firstly, not to recognize absolutely no achievements (positive changes and even successes) within Russia - to be a blind madman, a scum and a squalor.
Secondly, to deny “worthlessness” (due to unrealizability, non-fulfillment, ignoring, suppressing, turning over facts, interpreting events purely in one “right United Russia” way) is one-sided development when:
- the number of people in the country is growing only by home, migration and accession for about 30 years;
- the number of billionaires and millionaires is growing with an exorbitantly huge multimillion mass of ordinary beggars and working on a beggarly handout, because you can’t call this a salary;
- striking living conditions, living conditions when the apartment (house) has several bedrooms, bathrooms and levels, along with a dilapidated wooden dwelling, “amenities” in the yard and lack of water and sewage, as well as gas and electricity supplied (even in regional centers) ;
- all kinds of “Scarlet Sails”, voices, miracles against the background of hemp crops, search engines for “drug addiction”, a private alcohol dealer and “big boys” with a pimple conscience ...
I can list for a long time and with examples. In my city there is a beautiful clinic "Energetik" and against its background there are such medical facilities that can be called sheds without embellishment. There are kindergartens, preschools, schools, even a cadet school, built according to the requirements of the present, and there are institutions where there are no warm toilets (in the yard).
excellent renewal of the Leninsky district on the Boulevard of Builders, and on Moscow Avenue. There are some ideas in the area of ​​the Iskitimka River and the embankment of the Tomi River. But sorry, the wooden "chicken coops" on this background are not at all encouraging. And lasts for years. Moreover, every year we “rejoice” that utilities are getting more expensive, but their non-fulfillment is increasing in the same proportion.
And some poke us with a trade flag and make us see only that which does not offend the feelings of those in power ... So behave so that people see the bitter, but the truth. And do not broadcast from a high rostrum that collecting progressive personal income tax in Russia is not possible.
Collected all over the world, and you ...

[rocket757]

Welcome
It seems to me very much that the topmost "bars" belong to the category of "lazy, snickering cat Vaska, who will continue to eat" cutlets, sausages, sour cream "without paying almost any attention to all our lamentations and reproaches! we CANNOT take away !!!
But at the lower level, especially nervous and
there are enough initiative fools and the biggest troubles will fly from there!

[carstorm 11]

why do you think so? criticism it is not prohibited. you just have to follow the laws and think what you write. a normal person is not afraid of his words because he is in the habit of answering for them. if you called a person a thief then be so kind as to prove it. and then divorced in the country of wrestlers with a regime that, apart from their imagination and reposts, videos of the same dreamers can not do anything. Personally, I am used to thinking and then doing, and take such decisions calmly. neither for nor against. as to new fines from the traffic police.

[Alf]

Quote: Polite Elk

True, it is not clear how they are going to fight the dissemination of information on non-Russian sites?

I dare to recall the term "Cheburnet" .. And you can always find an excuse for cutting off.

[YOUR]

The nuts tighten.

[SRC P-15]

If a person behaves inappropriately at rallies, he will immediately thunder into jail or get a "democratizer" in the neck. And what then is better than trolls who behave in the same way on the Internet? But the truth is there is one caveat: we like to go to extremes. I hope this does not happen with this law.

[YOUR]

Do not expect. Browse through comments in social networks. Or the statements of our dear deputies and officials. If the law is adopted, they will apply it.

[carstorm 11]

so maybe it’s worth not talking about nuts, but about the fact that the law must be respected and fight for it? because it gives the opportunity to punish similar clowns.

[YOUR]

The law allows it to be done now, but it doesn’t.

[carstorm 11]

so I say, it’s not necessary to fight the law, but to comply with it. in fact, there is nothing wrong with this law.

[dirk182]

The essence of all these innovations is a banal fear of the people. No matter how clever we are here. They understand that the passions are serious. Plus the struggle of the elites in anticipation of the transfer. Our power reminds me of a family where marriages are exclusively between relatives. The next generation is weaker in every sense. And they will outlive themselves.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Well, here are the new manifestations of "freedom of speech"

and what personally bothers you, do you write a lie or what?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Barmaleyka

and what personally bothers you, do you write a lie or what?

Forgive me for harnessing - DARK !!!
What bothers me, for example, is “truthful information” about the eight millionth annual income of the “guarantor” and the twenty-eight millionth monthly income of a state company official ...
It is very interesting to find out where in Russia a nurse in a clinic receives more than a manager ...

[carstorm 11]

but somewhere in the world he gets something?) it is strange to compare a person working for a profit of a company whose motivation is necessary and suppose the president) you make a mistake in the scheme itself thinking that if a person works in a company which, although state-owned, understand that he is engaged in business, then he is the same as official. this is not true . there are the same rules as in any other commercial structure. the only difference is who her owners and founders are.

[naidas]

Quote: Barmaleyka

and what personally bothers you,

It annoys me that I work in the civil service

[Barmaleyka]

and?
work who's stopping something ?!

[Svarog]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Well, here are the new manifestations of "freedom of speech". With what we, dear commentators, and congratulations!

Hmm .. In the government, we are not capable of anything, except to not let go and forbid ..

[BARKHAN]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Well, here are the new manifestations of "freedom of speech". With what we, dear commentators, and congratulations!

Hmm .. In the government, we are not capable of anything, except to not let go and forbid ..

Preparations are underway for the elections. Intimidation and dispersal of those who disagree and undecided are carried out in advance. Well, along the way, make up lists of potential "troublemakers". Then there will be demonstration processes and landings.
In my opinion, this is simply a compression of the spring, and the result is always the same ... with the slightest relaxation, the spring will work ... The oligarchs cling to power and wealth.

[usr01]

... manifestations of "freedom of speech"

Just don't confuse "freedom" and "impunity" (that is, simply - a mess).
And then anonymously, anyone writes any deliberate lie.

[Non liberoid Russian]

and that is now, when anonymous redskins can carry nonsense, stench and stool in the comments, this is normal .. and when there is no more anonymity, then all ... you will have to answer for the bazaar

[siberalt]

The authorities have not yet answered the elderly for the pension reform, and here they have begun to shut up their mouths for young people. It’s good that so far our kitchens (by law, of course) haven’t been equipped with a wiretap. Well, let's see the results of the next elections.

[carstorm 11]

teach youth to be responsible for what they say. in my opinion this is the most important thing that parents should teach their children.

[dirk182]

give teachers to schools, at least according to the staffing table. And then the parents, with two jobs, do not have time. Everybody makes money on tutors. "parents should", "you should", "you should". Everyone has already understood this. Therefore, uncommented comments fly. Maybe this law is for the best. It's time to stop being afraid. And boldly speak to them in person.

[carstorm 11]

mine somehow they could raise me. I haven’t seen my father for months, and all the good that is masculine in me is from him. much or little is not for me to judge but nonetheless.

[dirk182]

Growing up and growing up as a Human is not the same thing. The fact of the matter is that parents are now struggling with their last strength, for the sake of children. Without actually seeing them. Plus families suffer. Many are getting divorced. And if everything was good, the children's homes would not be overcrowded. Read about auy in the Nizhny Novgorod region, etc. Parents are already powerless there. In addition, neither the children's room of the police, nor the ombudsmen work. I don't want to repeat myself. But, it is necessary to "understand the essence of the disease and eliminate the cause"

[carstorm 11]

I will repeat once again that my parents lived like this before) divorces are already a global disaster. families can hardly exist in the modern rhythm of life. I do not argue with you. I’m just saying that life in our family personally differs little from what my parents had. I myself am married for the second time.

[dirk182]

It was originally about children and parents. To have the opportunity to be together, share and so on. I say this because, like your father, I was absent for a long time at work. Now I understand that this is wrong. But time does not return. Regarding the rhythm of life, I agree. But in my city there is simply no work and all young people work on shifts. On the street, in kindergartens, schools, children with mothers. With rare exceptions

[carstorm 11]

it does not depend on us. My wife and I decided this question as a good nanny and moving as close as possible to the wife’s work place. my work affects our standard of living more and therefore such a decision. right or wrong it's not a long time ago. have to sacrifice something. I therefore did not get married while serving because the family there did not fit at all. Yes, and children are now more independent) with regard to shift work, this is also work. I personally sometimes think that working like this would be more with my family)))

[dirk182]

I wish you and the family happiness. In any case, we hope for the best and believe in the good.

[Thrifty]

As I understand it, this is the last and most important problem in Russia, unsolved so far? ??

[iouris]

This "freedom of speech" is. In the understanding of the ruling class. (This is what the world bourgeoisia is doing! "

[carstorm 11]

it was always surprising that everyone who cares for freedom is so afraid of such decisions) I don’t have any reason to hide or be afraid of such things, and I don’t see anything wrong with that)))

[Alf]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Well, here are the new manifestations of "freedom of speech". With what we, dear commentators, and congratulations!

Comrade believe
She will pass, the so-called Glasnost
And then state security
He will remember our names.

[Positiv]

Yes, it will be difficult now to communicate .. Slowly tighten the nuts .. This is just all useless, loopholes will still be found and only normal adequate commentators will suffer ..

[Shuttle]

Quote: Pozitiv

Yes, it will be difficult now to communicate .. Slowly tighten the nuts .. This is just all useless, loopholes will still be found and only normal adequate commentators will suffer ..

Even if inadequate ones find loopholes, why do you think that adequate ones will suffer?

[Positiv]

Quote: Shuttle

Do you think that adequate will suffer?

They will not look for loopholes, they will simply shut up, as many here did on the site .. I myself have observed this for a long time. (I think it is not necessary to list?)
These are the things in ..

[loki565]

And then what ??? In VO even the flags were removed, immediately all became native Muscovites))) And many left because it was not interesting, especially real specialists and former military men. Since specialized, military articles have become few, and there are many reprints of the yellow press)))

[Positiv]

Quote: loki565

And then what ??? In VO even the flags were removed, immediately all became Muscovites indigenous)))

This is where the whole problem started ..

Quote: loki565

And many left because it was not interesting, especially real specialists and former military men. Since specialized, military articles have become few, and there are many reprints of the yellow press)))

Yes, they began to hammer them in a crowd .. This is me one patient and went on principle ..

[_Sergei_]

Here on the site "just shut up" is very rare. Basically a lifetime ban for disagreeing with the site administration.

[carstorm 11]

the whole point is that adequate people do not need loopholes) they simply by definition think and then write. and be afraid of what then?)))

[rocket757]

Quote: Shuttle

Even if inadequate ones find loopholes, why do you think that adequate ones will suffer?

Adequate will suffer? Which ones?
All the same, we come to one thought, without combining with like-minded / associates, it’s impossible to fight, to live normally.

[RUSS]

Quote: Pozitiv

Yes, it will be difficult now to communicate .. Slowly tighten the nuts .. This is just all useless, loopholes will still be found and only normal adequate commentators will suffer ..

First of all, sites that have a good advertising revenue due to traffic and the number of comments will be affected.

[Positiv]

Quote: RUSS

First of all, sites that have a good advertising revenue due to traffic and the number of comments will be affected.

Maybe this is for the best .. For the sake of advertising money, many sites are going to openly call for a change of power and riots ..
And who owns the "world media" everyone knows very well how "public" opinion is formed too ..

[The popuas]

What world media ... inside the country are spinning, but do not read the bill or ft in Russia

[Positiv]

Quote: Popuas

What world media ... inside the country are spinning, but do not read the bill or ft in Russia

Well, "Echo" will obviously not touch everything, but on the contrary ..

[The popuas]

Exactly, they shut their mouths to ordinary people! So that they do not blather, but suffer another twenty years and heal

[yang174]

they do not seize power, they pick it up. (c) if the power is normal, try it, knock the people to a riot

[Chilean Abalon]

Are you talking about Military Review?

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Pozitiv

Yes, it will be difficult now to communicate ..

and what is the difficulty ?!

[Positiv]

Quote: Barmaleyka

Quote: Pozitiv

Yes, it will be difficult now to communicate ..

and what is the difficulty ?!

So I’ve laid out everything here for you .. Think for yourself! he he

[carstorm 11]

so you have nothing to object to) difficulties for those who violate the laws of the country in which they live)

[naidas]

Quote: Barmaleyka

and what is the difficulty ?!

Olgovich will or not?

[Barmaleyka]

Do I know the otkel?

[Ingvar 72]

The commentators' data, and right now, now also want to legitimize, and even with a special cynicism - we ourselves will be obliged to put on a collar. And as usual, all tightening the nuts are justified by safety objectives.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Ingvar 72

we ourselves will be required to put on a collar.

Yes, many, in fact, will not hurt.

[carstorm 11]

and what is the collar expressed in? is that for all that you say you have to answer? but in real life do you have something wrong? )

[Guru]

Hello Censorship, we missed you so much.

[Mountain shooter]

And what, "for the market" is not necessary to answer? Freedom of speech does not mean irresponsibility and the right to spread all sorts of fakes ...

[Guru]

It's simple - if earlier you yourself left your data in social networks, now data about you without your request will be "where necessary"
He said badly about the President or the Deputy - article., Or at least a fine.

the right to distribute all sorts of fakes ...

This is just a sauce-the main dish of the mouths to close.

[depressant]

Guru, bad authority spreads about itself. Here, for example, a huge amount of jokes about Putin and Medvedev appeared on Zen - bad jokes, often quite mediocre. Bad, but a lot. Obviously, guided by the postulate: since jokes are poisoned, it means that people live well. Like under Brezhnev. They say that then there were a lot of jokes about the general secretary. They make it clear to users: you see - jokes, you live well! And you all whine ...
This is despite the fact that there was no such terrible division into money-poor and poor as the past New Year showed, even last year. The noisy middle class was noisily celebrating with fireworks. Probably from despair. Poor people pulled out unused garlands last year and finally separated from each other, crowed. A terrible, gloomy silence, as if the people froze, hid. Poverty without a leader is not conducive to consolidation.
And the legislative base, apparently, will be brought down such as to catch and imprison those who try to consolidate the poor. The herd should be together, but fragmented. Do not get together for three!
They will plant those who for three try to figure out.

[Vadim237]

So you bring the specifics to "Power is bad" then no one will touch you.

[yang174]

are you so blind? Do you need to bring? People, except for the mat and insults, have no desire to bring anything. They will bring them finally, they will get the trunks and it will rush ...

[Vadim237]

They will get the trunks - a few people will shoot, then half of these shooters the Rosgvardia special forces will fill up, the rest will sit in jail for a very long time, all such organized attempts are now eliminated in the bud.

[rocket757]

Anonymous have never rushed into the ranks of the brave! and this is not a manifestation of wisdom was ...
The old dilemma between the life of an eagle and a raven ... you can live longer, but eat this muck be-eee

[RUSS]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And what, "for the market" is not necessary to answer? Freedom of speech does not mean irresponsibility and the right to spread all sorts of fakes ...

You tell this to our central media

[mark2]

Of course it is. And some authorities called for an answer even without different verifications. But the impunity and irresponsibility on the part of the population for all the actions of these rulers led the authorities to believe that you can do anything with this herd, most importantly, only introduce innovations smoothly and gradually.
Now the authorities want to once again not strain in the search for opponents, but to force them to introduce themselves first. We all understand that all laws are written in common. They will fight with the trolls, and everyone who has something against

[AUL]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And what, "for the market" is not necessary to answer?

Well, since you are "for" such an innovation - start with yourself! Indicate in your profile not the faceless "Eugene", but the full name, age, address, shoe size ... Weak?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote from AUL

Well, since you are "for" such an innovation - start with yourself! Indicate in your profile not the faceless "Eugene", but the full name, age, address, shoe size ... Weak?

Write in a personal. Exchange ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Write in a personal.

In PM and I can tell you about myself, but I will not. And why is it necessary that the whole world knows who you are? After all, criminals will use this information for their own purposes. For example, to get into Roman’s apartment when he’s at work in Moscow, or to rob Vadik 237 ... You never know how they can use this info. A good psychologist will make a portrait according to the comments, and enemies can use the information, for example, intelligence.

[carstorm 11]

and who told you that all this should be in the profile?) this data is not for general viewing, but for the opportunity to those who have permission to receive this information. what's so bad about that? as in your phone there is your phone and you confirm it. if you want to offside in your profile, you want to write anything.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: carstorm 11

and for the opportunity to those who have permission to receive this Old.

I think they get it anyway.

Quote: Vadim237

To rob me will be very problematic.

But there are a lot of people, which - not really. This is just an example. You never know for what purpose someone will use the information. In addition, on the other end of the wire may not be at all the person who registered. All in all, a very controversial proposal.

[Vadim237]

Another person can write from your phone or computer - then you have big security problems.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vadim237

Another person can write from your phone or computer - then you have big security problems.

That's it. By the way, an accountant constantly took a laptop from my brother’s home. Rested from the car. And to crack the password or take advantage of the trust of the user - no problem. Then prove that you are not a donkey. For example, in a hostel in a room, several people live. He turned away for a couple of minutes, or went to drink water, and your neighbor scribble something. How will you prove that it was not you who wrote it? Or do you close the password for any absence? You write from work, as I understand it. My boss, for example, often left the laptop turned on, and left for half an hour, or even more.

[Vadim237]

To rob me will be very problematic.

[Van 16]

Are the existing laws not enough? This is exactly what tightening the screws, "ban and not let go."

[Shuttle]

Freedom of speech, like any other freedom, is not freedom from, but freedom for.
Not a fan of RT, but it should be admitted that the "officer's daughters" got it a lot.
I think that if you are not writing on the fence, but in the public media, then be kind - sign up. Though a real name, even a pseudonym, but his own.

[The leader of the Redskins]

And you Shuttle is the name or your nickname?

[Andrey Sukharev]

Good question!

[Positiv]

Quote: Andrey Sukharev

Good question!

Joining hehe

[Shuttle]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

And you Shuttle is the name or your nickname?

Nickname Interested in my personal data? No problem. Register your ISPDn with the regulator, as decent sites do, and then, perhaps, I will inform you in exchange for the obligation to process them according to the Federal Law.

[Positiv]

Quote: Shuttle

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

And you Shuttle is the name or your nickname?

Nickname Interested in my personal data? No problem. Register your ISPDn with the regulator, as decent sites do, and then, perhaps, I will inform you in exchange for the obligation to process them according to the Federal Law.

How are you here heh heh heh ..

[carstorm 11]

but what's the difference?) you do not force real names to hang in profiles. Verification is not at all what 90 percent of writers think about. I do not have my login name in the online bank, but all the data inside is mine and I control it as I see fit.

[naidas]

Quote: Shuttle

Though a real name, even a pseudonym, but his own.

And what this will decide - Channel 1 will once again broadcast to the whole country about the Swiss gold of Grudinin in the form of a phalos completely openly, and the commentator will once again be silenced because the authorities are not discussing.

[yang174]

pt garbage. write-does not comply with the site policy. so rt is garbage

[Ironcity]

It’s not exactly like that, Prigogine trefoil is an office that is too significant for the statehood of the modern Russian Federation.

[30hgsa]

As a person who has been repeatedly recorded in the "Olginsky", "Prigozhinsky" and so on, I will say that most of this there are no "trollchants". "Olgino" is just an excellent excuse for liberda of all stripes, allowing one to deny that the majority of the population does not accept their ideas - they say it was those who did not disagree with me who minus me, these are the Olgins and the Prigozhins.

[Naive]

So they can work, but ordinary people have to moderate their ardor when criticizing the authorities.

[Dimy4]

"The mutual guarantee smears like soot ..." (C) The whole part of the Nautilus composition will be relevant. Soon.

[Amateur]

But what, registration on VO was canceled and comments can be written by an unregistered user?

[30hgsa]

If they do it in such a way that half of "I myself am a Muscovite, here not everything is so simple" will simply be eliminated.
It is far from a secret that Runet is simply filled with bots.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: 30hgsa

that runet is simply filled with bots.

Including government. Even here in VO, there is an EP clique that justifies any decisions of the authorities.

[30hgsa]

If a person is a supporter of EP - this is not a bot. If a person is opposed to EP - this is also not a bot.
The bot is a tarasik from Kiev, who created five accounts through VPN and writes "I myself am the daughter of an officer."
Do not confuse the expression of your opinion with informational special operations.
And the fact that you draw conclusions about people and write them into "bots" only because they "think wrong" speaks only about you. By the way, this is typical for a minority - instead of admitting that they are wrong, they think of persecution and unfair play, just not to admit that they are a minority in a minority :)

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: 30hgsa

If a person is a supporter of EP - this is not a bot.

You know. I have never met a single EP supporter. Even Putin's supporters are perplexed why he keeps this "servants" around him. And I personally know about the facts of payment of the United Russia for the loyalty of voters. During the elections to the Duma and the governor of the Samara region, United Russia paid 500 rubles per vote. Money was paid in cash, and the people went in families. You want to eat.

[30hgsa]

And I have met not one. So what? Although I myself am not a supporter of EP.
If a person has a head on his shoulders - he must understand a certain thing - the influence of the circle of communication on the personal perception of the world.
A person with certain views fits himself / creates around himself a company of like-minded people in general.
That is why the close-minded supporters of EP believe that there are no opponents of EP. And the close opponents of EP say that there are no supporters of EP.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: 30hgsa

A person with certain views fits himself / creates around himself a company of like-minded people in general.

Those. I myself created a circle of neighbors - like-minded people around me, a year ago, having moved to another quarter ??! Magic, and more!

[30hgsa]

Having moved to another quarter, you probably conducted a survey of all the neighbors on the topic of whether they voted for EP? Well, to say that supporters of EP does not exist?

[The popuas]

I also met supporters of EP .... in villages, where ordinary citizens do not scare without a pass ...

[Orkraider]

Quote: 30hgsa

And I have met not one. So what? Although I myself am not a supporter of EP.
If a person has a head on his shoulders - he must understand a certain thing - the influence of the circle of communication on the personal perception of the world.
A person with certain views fits himself / creates around himself a company of like-minded people in general.
That is why the close-minded supporters of EP believe that there are no opponents of EP. And the close opponents of EP say that there are no supporters of EP.

I don’t understand why you are negating the commentator ?! A good look, really. I have met a huge number of supporters of both EP and a huge number of supporters, for example, Navalny, and by the way, I know people who support Sobchak. And many support Yavlinsky, does this surprise you ?!


And to believe that all the votes of United Russia was drawn is unreasonable, given the current election system, it’s possible to slightly change, I emphasize, a little,%, but it is impossible to radically change the situation to the opposite!
I declare this responsibly, I specially, in due time, to understand the system, participated as an observer and a member of the commission from the LDPR, and in the oblasts I was an “accountant” at the headquarters, and I know what I'm writing about. Well, it was interesting whether events could be influenced or not, I was just getting a second education, and a candidate was running for our academy. So, it’s impossible to significantly change the alignment, and even more so to change it. Replacing is extremely difficult. Throwing is extremely difficult. And to change, after passing information on the number of votes for each candidate and reports to their headquarters (from providing copies of the minutes, they are also obtained by observers) in the Chi itself is generally fantastic. The truth will instantly come out, too many participants.

Therefore, to say that no one votes for EP and their supporters do not exist is stupid. Sorry, but it really does sound like that.

[The popuas]

There are also the so-called ,, clowns ,, ... in the condo, in order to create a kind of election! And another administrative resource .... This is where the dog rummaged

[AUL]

Well, that’s how the information troops were created!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote from AUL

Well, that’s how the information troops were created!

Yes, but civilians will suffer as usual.

[onix757]

The comments of the townsfolk began to prevent the authorities from forming a positive image? The famous factory can not cope? Such a norm cannot be accepted due to the selectivity of the application of laws and in some places simply lawlessness.

[Стена]

Apparently this power was taken out by dislikes and comments on the performances of the gdp

[30hgsa]

But in general, if you didn’t want politics to come to the Internet and to tighten the screws ... why did you politicize the very Internet? While on the net they looked at the seals and porn everyone did not care. Then there were all kinds of stuffing such as stuffing from the freak Volnov, dispersal of misinformation, mass anti-state political propaganda ... After the bloggers-corpse-eaters spread fake news on the Internet about the number of victims in the winter cherry, for example, and used fake for anti-state propaganda purposes .. . Does someone seriously believe that they will not pay attention to the Internet?
You get the answer to what you do yourself.

[Andrey Sukharev]

You are confusing concepts - "anti-state" and "anti-government".

[30hgsa]

No, I don’t confuse. Criticism of power cannot be based on lies and fakes.
If a lie or fake is invented, as in the case of the number of victims in Kemerovo, and criticism of the authorities is based on this, hysteria is dispersed on the Internet - this is precisely anti-state activity, since it is aimed precisely at destroying the state. Especially if the wave is dispersed under the guise of "ordinary Russians" of a personality like Ukra Volnov. Criticism of the authorities cannot, I repeat, be based on a deliberate lie. And your Internet is filled with deliberate fakes and conclusions drawn on the basis of fakes, which speaks of an information war against the state as a whole.

[Andrey Sukharev]

Can. And the state itself actively uses fakes where it is beneficial to it. This is normal. And to fight against opponents, the state has press services, state channels on TV and so on.

[30hgsa]

If criticism is built on a lie, it is no longer criticism, if that. You cannot criticize for what was not. This is an informational special operation that does not set the task of "eliminating injustice, fighting untruth, etc." this is intended to harm the state as a whole.

[Andrey Sukharev]

As one statesman of the past said - "A revolution is not made with white gloves."
In general, you are right, life is an unjust thing ...

[30hgsa]

There is such a principle - the law of talion. An eye for an eye. If revolutionaries do not want to work "with white gloves", then why should those who oppose them "play fair" with them? :)
Accelerate fakes on the Internet, hiding behind freedom of speech? Get an analogue of the great Chinese firewall. Just do not need to cry, everything is natural - that they asked and received :)

[Andrey Sukharev]

Dear, you are touching me, honestly! Why did you just post under a nickname, please be so kind as to subscribe with your real name (like me, for example), because you never know which anti-state fake you’ll disperse here. Yes, and put the registration data in the public domain, pliz.

[30hgsa]

Because I am ready to show my data to the administration of the site and the state. But not ready to show them to an unlimited number of users. Among which are completely inadequate. Is it so hard for you to distinguish between verification when accessing comments and sharing your data with others?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: 30hgsa

Because I am ready to show my data to the administration of the site and the state.

Governmental trolleys are already provided with "left" IP addresses, and "left" data.

[30hgsa]

Why do they need left IP? What are their risks? And how do you, for example, through verification of public services, create a left personality? Will for the needs of the trolls produce a million fake citizens breaking the accounting system? :) Buy a foil hat.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: 30hgsa

And how do you, for example, through verification of public services, create a left personality?

And how do we achieve 100% turnout in our elections? As it turns out, 100% of 10% of the unprocessed votes are in favor of the candidate from EP? Damn, like an adult, and the possibility of a conspiracy provide only on one side. And our authorities are all so honest, soft and caring.
Reread my post above and find out for yourself - I, in principle, do not mind openness, and even a firewall, but this should be for everyone! And here, along with forcing the people to openness, the data on the property of officials are classified. And about property that costs as much as these officials can’t earn in three lives.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: 30hgsa

Criticism of power cannot be based on lies and fakes.

Let's postpone the events in Kemerovo, and analyze the charges of Navalny.

Get an analogue of the great Chinese firewall.

I would like to get an analogue of the Chinese economy as a whole - with executions of bribe takers, and with the rise of industry.

[30hgsa]

Why put off what is uncomfortable for you? This is a very good example of bot-driven fake-based mass hysteria. I'm not going to put it off.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: 30hgsa

Why put off what is uncomfortable for you? E

Ok, let me agree with you right away on your part of the question. Now can we analyze my questions? How about the analysis of the charges of officials Navalny?

[30hgsa]

And what do they (FBK investigations) have to do with anonymity on the Internet? Investigations are published, incidentally, not anonymously.

[yang174]

application of laws you say? her better about Kemerovo

[Gardamir]

And what did you stick to a long-standing incident in Kemerovo? Because you feel so comfortable? Or are you the one on duty today?
Well, you're like a capercaillie on a current, you don’t hear anyone, you’re talking to yourself. Respond to at least one comment as a person.

[30hgsa]

Does it make sense to talk to the idiot who just called you "the troller on duty"? Well, at least a drop of meaning? I don’t see if a person is so stupid or shameless that he writes down any dissenting person in "Olginskie" .... does it make sense to talk to him?

[Gardamir]

Well, it’s necessary, it’s not a bot, but a person. However, a person can be Scandinavian evil.

[1536]

What is the meaning of the word "verification"? This is how it is interpreted depending on the various spheres of human activity:
Verification is 1) verification, confirmation, method of proof of any theoretical principles, algorithms, programs and procedures by comparing them with experimental (reference or empirical) data, algorithms and programs; 2) truth recognition methodology[/ i].
In science, this interpretation of verification is adopted: 3) [i] verification of theoretical principles for compliance with reality using experiment.
So there is no "censorship".
Article 23 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation is also in effect, along with Article 29, as well as Article 128.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, where the word "verification" is not visible, but it is.

[Sergei 23]

Here on VO there are rules too !!! it
somehow restricts freedom of speech?

[naidas]

Quote: Sergey 23

Here on VO there are rules too !!! it
somehow restricts freedom of speech?

Of course, I’ll add and give birth to cool fakes in articles.

[Gardamir]

Here, as in the state, for some there are rules, for others an exception.

[Naive]

All the same, Belarus is a small testing ground for not popular solutions in Russia itself, it has been working with us for a year now.

[Gardamir]

It sometimes seems to me that the Soviet Union has survived, that is, it is governed from one center. The same National Guard first in Ukraine, right there in Russia and Kazakhstan. And there are many such examples.

[The popuas]

Of course it was preserved, but not for everyone!

[orionvitt]

In principle, everything is correct. You want to say something, name it. There are always enough dissatisfied people. But it is one thing to express dissatisfaction, and quite another, when the commentator spews out streams of hatred, anger and lies. All the same, yes, "for the bazaar" you need to answer and reason your thoughts competently. The main thing is not to reach Ukraine, where even a hint of the wrong course of the "state" threatens with a term.

[Gardamir]

Funny, why is no one from the government responsible for the bazaar? Drive away the blizzard, as if it should be.

[Monster_Fat]

Well, what I said, from the new year, the tightening of the screws on the Internet will begin according to the Chinese model. Think about what kind of "peace and quiet" will begin here, at the forum, soon - some "patriotic" statements and "approval of the policy of the party and government" - a patriot's dream - a return to the holy "Soviet years" - one "pioneer dawn" and " noon "-bad! For example, if there is a discussion of the plight of workers in unbearable working conditions, the comments will be something like the following?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Monster_Fat

Well, what I said-

Are the side pads here?

[parusnik]

On the one hand, it’s like yes ... on the other hand, it’s not clear how it will end ... I’ll just remind you that when the company was launched, for the introduction of a 5% barrier, everyone supported: the right decision! The parties were divorced, you know .. The same picture was and the initiative to remove the "candidate against all", also supported ...

[Svarog]

Quote: parusnik

On the one hand, it’s like yes ... on the other hand, it’s not clear how it will end ... I’ll just remind you that when the company was launched, for the introduction of a 5% barrier, everyone supported: the right decision! The parties were divorced, you know .. The same picture was and the initiative to remove the "candidate against all", also supported ...

Exactly, with good intentions ... we find a beautiful excuse and move on to a bright slave-owning future .. Now the special services do not need to figure out any commentator, which means that the law is aimed specifically at suppressing or gagging.

[carstorm 11]

you confuse concepts a little. finite specialists can do everything. that's just for this they need a reason. court decisions. in case of verification your will be like for example in your online bank. when you register, you will need your cell phone which you confirm. or something else. you are not publicly announcing who you are at all. Now no one is realizing what the conversation is about.

[tTshka]

It is high time !

[nikolaj1703]

Freedom does not mean permissiveness

[Chever]

Quote: nikolaj1703

Freedom does not mean permissiveness

Not everyone who wants freedom wants permissiveness

[orionvitt]

Quote: Chever

Not everyone who wants freedom wants permissiveness

Judging by the comments, as well as the pros and cons to them, everyone here wants exactly permissiveness. And no responsibility.

[Gardamir]

Yes, if you hadn’t arranged this free all-over in the late 80s and the Union would have been alive. Remember how the country was destroyed by nuts and tighten. Do not tear the thread, otherwise it will not seem to everyone.

[sergo1914]

The informers are also verified? A friend is interested.

[Igor Pa]

Something like that, probably!

[Snail N9]

That's right, "you need to verify the comments for a long time", especially since you all, soon even, won't need to put your names and surnames under the comments, they will assign you "identification numbers" in an electronic concentration camp like rams and you will subscribe with these numbers and "shine "names and surnames will not be, like" commentator N1234567890 "...... And they will also introduce you a "social rating" as in China and, with your "correct comments", you will earn points of the "ardent patriot" rating - a solid profit ...

[The Sparkle]

FBI monitors users https://jnike-07.livejournal.com/305461.html
Here's an example of "democracy" in the American way. You forgot to mention this, but gave the example of China, in which, in your opinion, there is a totalitarian regime.
I gave the first link I came across under the tag "Facebook by passport", the rest you can see for yourself)))

[carstorm 11]

So on the face verification is complete and long. binding to the pipe is complete and a step to the right or left you are in the bath. something that fighters with the regime it somehow does not care. and there are millions of users in the face.

[The Sparkle]

Sorry, I missed from the smartphone. Accidentally clicked on the minus.

[Zusul]

Quote: depressant

Guru, bad authority spreads about itself. Here, for example, a huge amount of jokes about Putin and Medvedev appeared on Zen - bad jokes, often quite mediocre. Bad, but a lot. Obviously, guided by the postulate: since jokes are poisoned, it means that people live well. Like under Brezhnev. They say that then there were a lot of jokes about the general secretary. They make it clear to users: you see - jokes, you live well! And you all whine ...
This is despite the fact that there was no such terrible division into money-poor and poor as the past New Year showed, even last year. The noisy middle class was noisily celebrating with fireworks. Probably from despair. Poor people pulled out unused garlands last year and finally separated from each other, crowed. A terrible, gloomy silence, as if the people froze, hid. Poverty without a leader is not conducive to consolidation.
And the legislative base, apparently, will be brought down such as to catch and imprison those who try to consolidate the poor. The herd should be together, but fragmented. Do not get together for three!
They will plant those who for three try to figure out.

Omg, have antidepressants stopped selling in pharmacies ??

[Paranoid50]

The swamp began to boil, the inhabitants fussed ...

[Gardamir]

I’m wondering, does anyone remember what they promised us in order to break the Union? Well, for example, the struggle with privilege and, yes, no privileges. Is it a privilege of three cars for seven million, a cottage in Spain and a house in London?
Also, with freedom of speech, at first it is impossible to scold deputies, but to see the law does not work well, so now they will specifically punish

[carstorm 11]

they promised you freedom. which was not and it is difficult to argue with that. in return they received permissiveness which everyone ate with a full spoon in the nineties. the search for a balance of what is possible and what cannot be, this will go on for a very long time. In the year 14, everyone saw that social networks and forums can turn into a battlefield in a day. Do you think the rules are not needed in this field?

[Gardamir]

It was for the destruction of socialism that everything was allowed. Trade where you want and what you want. Porn tapes between gum and bras. Precisely in order to see the market with a "human" face is better than just socialism.
Inertia is big and it’s hard to turn around. So it’s easy to tighten the nuts.
It's not about the rules. The law is to the people, and who should rule with understanding.

[carstorm 11]

Yes, it’s not socialism at all) when the system breaks down this river can no longer be contained. it destroys everything along the way and this will not be prevented here and now. but then the flow weakens. the pressure changes the water is no longer rushing and just calmly flooding everything is worth it. and then the eliminations of everything that this stream has done begin) I would also like for everything to happen differently and evolutionarily. but we have what we have. and the nuts must be tightened anyway. just demand from everyone the same that I would completely welcome and even stand next to you for it. although our views are different.

[Mentat]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Victor N

The allegations of theft

Why are they suddenly "unfounded"? The same Navalny showed documents with seals, but Zolotov was still there, a pancake duelist. Kolesov (Rostec) built a villa in the UAE for tens of millions of dollars, and his salary is much more modest. Hundreds of times. So soon, mathematics will be banned - so that it would be discouraging to count the discrepancy between income and expenses.

Are you aware that FBK and Navalny have not started a single trial on the merits? When it comes to trial, the “seals” abruptly disappear.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Mentat

Are you aware that FBK and Navalny have not started a single trial on the merits? When it comes to trial, the “seals” abruptly disappear.

Khe-khe, do you suggest that Navalny compete with government officials and oligarchs in Russian courts? :) Investigations of Navalny show a lot of interesting information about the financial condition of officials and their property, but it is almost impossible to prove that this property belongs to the specified official, such schemes are used there that even if you know you won’t prove anything). because property acquired by 2-3 persons, and through companies that are registered in offshore.

[Mentat]

As voiced notes all is gone. Most of them cannot be identified, because they write from left servers on the Internet, the other part, which writes about “in Russia,” actually sits in the near abroad.

So they started fussing, sickly. Such users cannot authenticate in principle, therefore a huge number of trolls, paid commentators from abroad, agents of influence will simply be cut out from the Russian Internet, which is the purpose of this initiative. Therefore, there is a howl and cry.

[carstorm 11]

here the essence is verification and not identification. Different things. if people have a pipe he can pass it anywhere. or something different. there are enough options. They don’t force anyone to share personal information with the entire community.

[Vadim237]

The right initiative, nefig icteric and provocative Internet information to litter.

[rocket757]

From above on us "gifts" are pouring down quite expected.
But the real trouble, with the permission of the upper ones, of course, can jump from the level below .... small-town evil "barchuk" and initiative fools are concentrated there.
This is all very obvious, as is the fact that the fish rots from the head.

[Servisinzhener]

For me there is nothing surprising in such a proposal. Since any socially significant phenomenon having reached a certain level is taken under state control. This was the case with the rules of navigation, road and air traffic, broadcasting, correspondence forwarding and bank transfers, newspapers and other printed materials. And the Internet is no exception. In Russia, this process is a bit late compared to the USA, Japan, and Great Britain .. Due to the fact that the Internet has gained mass popularity much later.

[Star Destroyer]

Not so long ago there was a time when cheburnet with access by coupons and passport seemed somewhat archaic and anecdotal ... and now Putin's officials are openly discussing enslavement of the population, laws contrary to the constitution, not afraid of any condemnation and consequences.
In an interesting time we live)))

[75 Sergey]

Well, have you arrived?

[Vadim237]

Well, yes - you "arrived"

[Graz]

Many active users, accustomed to commenting on articles and notes, reacted extremely negatively to the APPSM verification initiative, believing that this would violate freedom of speech.
_________________________
all right, this is a direct introduction of censorship and the ability to prosecute those who are objectionable, so this action must be interfered with by all means, and with this from the APPSM you need to put it on the head

[carstorm 11]

and why excuse censorship or violation of freedom of speech? Facebook has been doing this for a long time do not want to interfere with its actions on a global scale?) you do not understand that verification in your life is everywhere,) look around. almost everywhere you are asked to enter the received passwords by phone. from a small store to large sites.

[The popuas]

Then why bother with this whole garden if everything is by the phone number that is tied to the passport!? .... an imitation of violent activity ....!? Or what ....

[30hgsa]

Um ... censorship is a ban on writing something.
The duty to "sign" what is written is not censorship.

[Katanikotael]

So after all, accounts on social networks and mailboxes have long been tied to mobile phone numbers that are purchased with a passport. The news is to spell out all of this for a long time at the legislative level and, if anything, beat on the head legally, without attracting the culprits under an article on terrorism and extremism where such trifles can be missed, but the deadline will be longer.

[Cheerock]

Quote: 30hgsa

If a person is a supporter of EP - this is not a bot. If a person is opposed to EP - this is also not a bot.
The bot is a tarasik from Kiev, who created five accounts through VPN and writes "I myself am the daughter of an officer."
This, incidentally, is typical of a minority - instead of recognizing its own wrong, think up a persecution and dishonest game, just not to admit that it is a minority in the minority :)

By the way, this is a very indicative reaction of some anonymous "netizens" by subtracting an absolutely balanced and adequate commentary.

[ustinov.yuri]

That is, one of the fundamental rights enshrined in the Constitution, namely the right to freedom of expression of one’s thoughts, is abolished? I never wrote anywhere under “nicknames”, only under my own name, but the laws adopted over the past two years regarding the freedom of expression of one’s thoughts on the Internet (responsibility up to criminal) force us to use the Internet for anonymity. Why is the state persecuting for negative statements (I’m an artist, I see so!), Instead of establishing feedback and at least somehow reacting to the discontent of individual citizens? This process is called “dialogue with society." And instead of dialogue - “to reveal, flog, plug the throat, roughly punish”, so that it would not be wrong to frighten the others?

[Mentat]

Quote: Aleksandr21

Quote: Mentat

Are you aware that FBK and Navalny have not started a single trial on the merits? When it comes to trial, the “seals” abruptly disappear.

Khe-khe, do you suggest that Navalny compete with government officials and oligarchs in Russian courts? :) Investigations of Navalny show a lot of interesting information about the financial condition of officials and their property, but it is almost impossible to prove that this property belongs to the specified official, such schemes are used there that even if you know you won’t prove anything). because property acquired by 2-3 persons, and through companies that are registered in offshore.

Those. they know, but how exactly do they know is not known, and it is impossible to prove it?
What is the difference from the inscription on the fence?

[iuocsfyu]

Great initiative. As living outside of Russia, outside the jurisdiction of this initiative, with regard to the Russian population, I fully support it.