Fort Ellis: the rifle from what's at hand


Rifle Wilfred G. Ellis XR-86. Left view


Weapon from around the world. To begin with, let's recall the Strugatsky brothers ’popular science fiction novel“ The Predatory Things of the Century ”written by them in 1964. There were many interesting predictions about the future, but unfortunately of a limited duration. In 1974, this work was read as a revelation. In 1984, almost as well. In 1994, with a sense of surprise: how are the authors, living in the USSR 30 years ago, everyone guessed so accurately. But in 2004, the story became obsolete at once. It did not have computers, laptops, mobile phones and electronic games, which by this time flooded the whole world.

However, there still remained this, that which is being carried out right before our eyes:

“We are constantly confused by the talk of terrible new inventions. We have already sat several times in a similar puddle. When Mhagana and Buris turned to the UN complaining that the separatists were using a new type of weapon - freezing bombs, we rushed to search for underground military factories and even arrested two of the real underground inventors (sixteen and ninety-six years old). And then it turned out that these inventors had nothing to do with it, and the terrible freezing bombs were purchased by the separatists in Munich at the wholesale warehouse of refrigeration units and turned out to be defective super freezers. True, the action of these super-freezers was really terrible. In combination with molecular detonators (widely used by underwater archaeologists on the Amazon to scare away piranhas and caimans), superfreezers were able to instantly lower the temperature to one hundred and fifty degrees of cold in a radius of twenty meters. Then we persuaded each other for a long time not to forget and always bear in mind that nowadays literally every month there are a lot of technical innovations of the most peaceful purpose and with the most unexpected side effects, and these properties are often such that violations of the law banning the production of weapons and ammunition just become meaningless. ”


This is all to the fact that if you wish today you can make an automatic machine out of a water pipe, by the way, and a mortar too, use a drone drone as a “flying bomb”, and place the firing device directly in your mobile phone. Technical creativity “from everything at hand” is developing ever wider. When it is not necessary to squeeze the hull of the boat model out of the log, but you can make it by cutting and cutting out all the details from plywood or polystyrene on a CNC machine and laser cutting. You can buy a 3D printer and print on it any design, up to pistols and rifles, both plastic and metal. By the way, grenades for a 40 mm zinc alloy grenade launcher were already tried to print and it worked. It turned out to print out a plastic model copy of the FAU-2 missile, and one that only needs to insert an engine into it and it will fly. Well, if you insert a "engine" stronger? And in the nose pour TNT? Ready high-explosive action will turn out, that's it!


The same rifle, right view

Well, if you live in a country where the free sale of weapons and the manufacture of its new models are allowed, then those amateur designers who are interested in doing this business, there is simply a very wide field for activity. Take it, buy what you want parts and design! Satisfy your craving to create something new that has not yet existed, let it be a new pistol, machine gun or rifle.


Top view of the receiver of an Ellis rifle. You can clearly see the makeshift USM case connected to the receiver of the store, as well as its fastenings to the receiver at the front and rear, the magazine latch and Picatinny rail

By the way, this is what Wilfred G. Ellis (1935-1994), an American police officer and master gunsmith from Abington, Pennsylvania, who clearly had a craving for the construction of new types of firearms, did just that. In his house, he equipped an excellent workshop in which he was engaged in restoring old weapons and at the same time creating new ones, using for this purpose the parts of weapons available on the market. And in 1986, in just 15 days of work, he created his own 5,56 mm caliber rifle under the 5,56 × 45 mm NATO cartridge, which he called “Fort Ellis”. And he did it, of course, not from scratch, but using the details of rifles such as the AR-15, M14, M16, the M60 machine gun, the AK47 assault rifle, in a word, what his hands reached, that’s the point. And it should be noted that his rifle ... turned out.


View of the same detail from below. Well visible hole for the extraction of spent cartridges

And it didn’t just work out, but it turned out to be truly unique, since it is much simpler than the AR-15 and all other models, but at the same time it is not inferior to them in combat effectiveness. That is, for mass weapons it is more profitable than the same M16. Much of his design is simply the “cubes” that he put together. So, for example, the arrester on the barrel was taken from the M60 machine gun. The gas venting device on the barrel and the gas piston were borrowed from the M14 automatic rifle, the barrel from the AR15 rifle, and the pistol grip and butt from the M16. And from the AR-15 was taken a flat magazine for 20 rounds, the trigger and the entire bolt group, that is, almost all the main details.


And so she leans back ...

But then the original design of the author of the rifle went on. To begin with, having placed a gas outlet unit from M14 on the barrel, Ellis did not conduct his piston-push rod shutter under the barrel, but brought him to his right side, where he moves under the barrel cover. The shutter from the AR-15 is rotated 45 degrees to the right, respectively, and its tube, into which the original hot gases enter the barrel, is tightly welded, because the push rod now rests on it, which in turn is affected by the gas piston during a short stroke . The shutter, as in the original rifle, with the shutter handle is not rigidly fastened. The shutter handle is welded to a metal bar with a through hole drilled in it, through which the pusher rod goes back and forth. That is, the shutter itself, and the handle itself, and they only interact when you cock the shutter yourself, and when the pusher rod acts on it, it remains stationary. In fact, this is the design of the same AR-15, but only equipped with a gas piston instead of directly affecting the shutter with powder gases.


Shop used standard

The USM designer, as well as the store’s receiver, is located in a makeshift case on the left side. Moreover, the pistol grip from the early sample AR-15 (without a protrusion under the finger) is located where it is supposed to, that is, from below under the cylindrical receiver, and is connected to the USM case by screws. This part is attached to the receiver in two places, a spring-loaded lock in the back and a T-shaped stop in front. Inside the cylindrical receiver there is a return spring and a buffer - everything, like the AR-15 and M16.


In this photo you can clearly see the tide, which is welded to the receiver, and in which the shutter cocking handle moves. By the way, as this quality, the designer used the trigger from the AR-15, attaching it to a metal bar

Since the trigger has now changed its position with the trigger, the designer introduced a pusher lever into it, which puts pressure on the sear instead of the trigger, but from its impact, after which the entire trigger works as expected. Accordingly, the store is also inserted on the left, by analogy with the power of the German rifle FG-42, in which the store is also inserted on the left.

So, on the left side of the receiver is the magazine receiver, combined in one housing with the trigger and pistol grip, on the right side of the receiver there is a rush under the bolt handle, but where are the cartridges extracted? And they are extracted through the hole below, which opens when the slide frame moves back. And this is convenient, by the way, since they don’t fly in the face of neighbors and cannot get someone by the collar.


The rifle has such a designation and even a number

There are no sights on the rifle, but there are two racks on which the Picatinny rail is welded, which allows you to install any sights on it. On the trigger case there is also the following "company" designation of this rifle: "Cal 5.56 m / m FORT ELLIS / ABINGTON PA 3-15 / 1986 / XR86 No. 0001".

Her stock is ordinary, plastic, again from the early M16 sample, which is easily removed from the pipe in which the mainspring is enclosed. True, the author added two fixing metal plates to it and to the butt.

It is known that its creator fired about 860 shots from it, and only on one of the last ones the bottom detached, but this is more likely a defect in a cartridge, not a rifle. In general, the designer got a very simple, and cheap rifle for a total war, although why he made it himself is unknown!

PS Not so long ago, the rifle was put up for auction with a starting price of $ 3,750 - $ 5,000, but whether it was sold or not, information is missing.
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  1. cavl 4 January 2020 05: 28 New
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    Thanks to the author for interesting material!
    1. Mister X 4 January 2020 09: 58 New
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      hi
      Join us!
      I found a video with this sample
      1. zyablik.olga 4 January 2020 10: 43 New
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        Quote: Mister X
        hi
        Join us!
        I found a video with this sample

        Hello hello Long time you were gone! When will we see your next article?
        1. Mister X 4 January 2020 10: 56 New
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          Quote: zyablik.olga
          Hello hello

          Hello, Olenka!
          Busy at work with their agricultural projects.
          I dedicate it almost all the time, but I became a specialist in agriculture wink

          Quote: zyablik.olga
          When will we see your next article?

          I work on it a little.
          I plan to publish it in a month.
          I hope it will be an interesting job.
          1. zyablik.olga 4 January 2020 11: 24 New
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            Quote: Mister X
            Busy at work with their agricultural projects.
            I dedicate it almost all the time, but I became a specialist in agriculture

            Yes, we are all specialists of a wide profile. lol Серёжа говорил, что вы в прошлом "айтишником" на жизнь зарабатывали? Такой резкий разворот?
            However, I also did a lot of things in the past. She worked in a casino, traded shoes, was a signalman ... now her own little store. wink
            Quote: Mister X
            I work on it a little.
            I plan to publish it in a month.
            I hope it will be an interesting job.

            Мне Серёжа, по моей просьбе подарил на Д.Р. винтовку, но я не такой фанат оружия как он. Тем не менее, ваши статьи про стрелковку я всегда читаю с большим удовольствием. У вас всегда глубокая проработка материала и очень интересные подробности! good Look forward to!
            1. Mister X 4 January 2020 11: 30 New
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              Quote: zyablik.olga
              Have you earned a living in the past as an IT specialist?

              I still work as an iT-shnik.
              Only in agricultural company.
              Engaged in the site, advertising, etc.
              Quote: zyablik.olga
              You always have a deep study of the material and very interesting details!

              Thank you!
              This is what takes a lot of time.
              Quote: zyablik.olga
              Look forward to!

              Coming soon on your screens! wink
  2. Vladimir_2U 4 January 2020 07: 24 New
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    that if you wish, today you can make an automatic machine out of a water pipe
    The author contradicts himself:
    And he did it, of course, not from scratch, but using the details of rifles such as the AR-15, M14, M16, the M60 machine gun, the AK47 assault rifle, in a word, what his hands reached, that’s the point
    In general, the designer got a very simple, and cheap rifle for total wars Here are just to establish the mass "total" production of this "designer" will need trunks, trigger, and so on for the "little things" from a hodgepodge of real samples. That is, it is more profitable for mass weapons than the same M16. Much of his design is simply the “cubes” that he put together. So, for example, the arrester on the barrel was taken from the M60 machine gun. The gas venting device on the barrel and the gas piston were borrowed from the M14 automatic rifle, the barrel from the AR15 rifle, and the pistol grip and butt from the M16. And from the AR-15 was taken a flat magazine for 20 rounds, the trigger and the entire bolt group, that is, almost all the main details Does the author really believe that a lot of details from ready-made samples assembled together for mass weapons more profitable than the same M16? Детальки откуда-то взялись, но раз автор считает что из "водопроводной трубы" то так оно и есть.
    The author seriously believes that a CNC machine or laser cutting, but at least a 3D printer with metal printing is “out of everything at hand”. Previously, it wasn’t funny about “a bun from a tree”, now it’s not funny here.
    1. Zaurbek 4 January 2020 08: 00 New
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      Вопрос ресурса изделия и кучности. Если раньше гражданская промышленность всегда отставала от военной, то сейчас фиг знает, где появляются инновации раньше.
      1. kalibr 4 January 2020 08: 23 New
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        Quote: Zaurbek
        The issue of product resource and accuracy. If before civilian industry always lagged behind the military, now FIG knows where innovations appear before.

        Of course, all this must be tested, it must be checked. But here “figs knows where before” - this is undoubtedly today!
      2. Mister X 4 January 2020 11: 19 New
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        Quote: Zaurbek
        The issue of product resource and accuracy.

        hi An equally important issue is product maintenance.
        Above, I posted a video of the incomplete disassembly of the rifle.
        It’s not easy to clean.
        Like the M16, the XR-86 has small parts that are easy to lose in the field.
    2. kalibr 4 January 2020 08: 19 New
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      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      The author seriously believes that a CNC machine or laser cutting, but at least a 3D printer with metal printing is “out of everything at hand”.

      For Americans, yes! And the pipe is a receiver from it.
  3. Strashila 4 January 2020 07: 27 New
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    A good example of crazy pens.
  4. Vladimir_2U 4 January 2020 07: 29 New
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    Well, if you live in a country where the free sale of weapons and the manufacture of its new models are allowed, then those amateur designers who are interested in doing this business, there is simply a very wide field for activity. Take it, buy what you want parts and design In general, the article, not the first by the way, is about the blessed USA and about the freedom to assemble a rifleman from ready-made parts. What prevents us from doing this? Just do not put the barrel to the last, and then immediately take it to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, for a fee, by the way!
  5. Vladimir_2U 4 January 2020 07: 41 New
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    An article that without water describes this craft and its real value.
    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/cockedandlocked/orujie-s-miru-po-nitke-fort-ellis-xr86-5de65d6f0be00a00ae4ebc22
    1. bunta 4 January 2020 11: 29 New
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      An article that without water describes this craft and its real value.

      You do not understand. This is a source of inspiration for the author of this article.
      1. kalibr 4 January 2020 12: 39 New
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        Андрей! Взять сухую неинтересно написанную статью, да еще и переведенную через Гугл не слишком старательно и превратить в нечто вполне читабельное и интересное - это как раз и есть работа рерайтера современного онлайн-издания. Когда Вы там еще найдете что-то в архиве нового про..., когда напишите... а сайт должен обновляться регулярно. У Вас сколько материалов у нас опубликовано? 37... Представьте мог бы сайт существовать, опираясь на таких авторов? Да он загнулся бы через месяц...
        1. bunta 4 January 2020 15: 51 New
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          I already wrote about this. You are shoveling informational garbage. And I worked on each publication for at least a year. So, at the expense of “inspiration,” I’m right. And the work of the site and its business model is a separate issue. I don’t want to discuss it now.
          1. kalibr 4 January 2020 18: 11 New
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            Quote: bunta
            And I worked on each publication for at least a year.

            Glad for you, Andrew! But over each ... that is, it took you 37 years? I cannot afford such pleasure. Moreover, if it weren’t for people like me, you would simply have nowhere to publish your one-year masterpieces. I see why?
            1. bunta 4 January 2020 19: 19 New
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              Вам понятие многозадачности не знакомо. Лишнее доказательство что Вы не инженер. К тому же с гипертрофированным самомнением. Понятно почему?
              1. kalibr 4 January 2020 22: 04 New
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                Quote: bunta
                Extra evidence that you are not an engineer

                А что Андрей, только инженеры достойны Вашего уважения? И задачи у людей тоже бывают разные. У Вас одна многозадачность, у кого-то другая. Вы вот беретесь писать и я лично рад, что пытаетесь, хотя и трудно идет. И не хотите понять, что я Вам про одно, а Вы мне совсем про другое. Да еще и обвинения в самомнении. А что, я такой! Будь у Вас 40 книг в СССР, РФ, Англии и Германии Вы бы тоже... "самомневались". Попробуйте хотя бы одну написать и издать под требования издательств к % новизны, стилю, и содержанию. И я вижу, что Вы опять мне что-то пытаетесь доказать? Я Вам уже писал - не надо. Как бы Вы не старались, у Вас не получится.
                1. bunta 4 January 2020 22: 43 New
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                  Any discussion is upholding a position. When there is not enough common sense, the best way to blame demagogy. This is my answer to your call to kiss you sandals for the opportunity to publish your articles here, in response to my accusation of technical illiteracy. (The disclosure of my question is “understand why?”).
                  1. kalibr 5 January 2020 08: 43 New
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                    Quote: bunta
                    This is my answer to your call to kiss you sandals for the opportunity to publish your articles here.

                    And where was such an appeal? I repeat ... I tell you about one thing, you tell me about another. It is sad if the engineer does not understand this or does not want to understand. This ... lowers my opinion about them, although it is clear that ... people are different among engineers.
  6. Mordvin 3 4 January 2020 07: 46 New
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    Give Shpakovsky a file and a water pipe, and let him sit and saw. laughing
    1. kalibr 4 January 2020 08: 25 New
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      Present, Vladimir! I will be very glad for such a necessary gift .. By the way, there is a reason - the old New Year. I’ll tell you which pipe, and choose the file yourself. I will inform you where to send the address. Wait or not?
      1. Mordvin 3 4 January 2020 08: 39 New
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        In my youth I drank air. I took the industrial design of 1953 as the basis. He did it with a hand drill and file. So I’ll report to you that this is still that hemorrhoid. Moreover, the spring and the barrel drove me out of the shooting gallery, decommissioned, and even had to contact the milling machine operator. And I won’t give you a tool. Glue a weapon out of paper, and glue on. laughing And then get hurt again, but I have to answer. wassat
        1. kalibr 4 January 2020 21: 57 New
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          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          And then get hurt again, but I have to answer

          Well, if you constantly read VO, but I see that you read, then you should know that I can work not only with paper. And now at my service there is also a 3D printer and a CNC machine. There is not only paper. But you always confuse something, right? And memory fails. Where else would the "grandfather of the Polish general" come from? So about one paper is excusable.
          1. Mordvin 3 4 January 2020 22: 13 New
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            Quote: kalibr
            should know that I can work not only with paper.

            I'm joking.
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            3D printer and CNC machine

            The printer builds up the mass of metal, or what it bakes from there, and the machine takes away. In this regard, I think that the machine is better. In terms of more suitable material.
            Quote: kalibr
            Where would the "grandfather of the Polish general" otherwise come from.

            А разве не из Ваших комментов? Вроде бы Вы писали про дедушку - польского генерала. Если нет, то искренне прошу прошения. hi
            1. kalibr 5 January 2020 08: 37 New
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              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Is not from your comments? It seems that you wrote about the grandfather - the Polish general.

              So I’m saying that memory is clearly failing you. Because everything is preserved in VO! But people tend to make mistakes. The main thing is not to persist in your mistakes. And so it is normal to confuse and forget.
  7. kalibr 4 January 2020 08: 54 New
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    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    And I won’t give you a tool. Glue a weapon out of paper, and glue on

    Toad tortured! Clear! This is always the case with us, I will offer, but let the uncle do it ... And you can always find excuses.
    1. Mordvin 3 4 January 2020 09: 14 New
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      Quote: kalibr
      Toad tortured! Clear!

      Aha laughing Я как старый слесарь, к инструменту отношусь с огромным уважением. Представьте, все пацаны делали воздушки из насосов, а я себе сделал образец не хуже промышленного. Взял у товарища моего дядьки воздушку, разобрал, всю её обмерил от и до, и такую же слепил. Ложе из ореха выточил, льнянкой покрыл, лаком яхтным, красотища. И никакой мастерской не было, на балконе ковырялся. Ну и у дядьки немного, у него точило было. Потом машинки-модельки расстреливал. Стекла насквозь пробивала. Друг потом винтовку эту у меня выклянчил. До сих пор жалко. yes
      1. kalibr 4 January 2020 09: 17 New
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        So there was no need to write about a gift!
  8. mr.ZinGer 4 January 2020 08: 58 New
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    Everywhere there are people who are friends with the head and hands, on youtube look Igor Negoda https://youtu.be/dYFYZ-g7fzA
    1. Mordvin 3 4 January 2020 09: 50 New
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      Quote: mr.ZinGer
      Everywhere there are people who are friends with the head and hands, on youtube look Igor Negoda https://youtu.be/dYFYZ-g7fzA

      Yes, well done he. good Our effective ones for such an airplane would have written a huge premium for themselves. Cool device. There are no words. good
  9. Narak-zempo 4 January 2020 09: 13 New
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    Yes, with gadgets and games, the Strugatsky did not guess. Like, in general, the vast majority of science fiction writers. But the recent boom of the barbershops in "Predatory Things" is described quite accurately.
  10. bunta 4 January 2020 11: 35 New
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    on one of the latter, the shell detached from the bottom, but this is more likely a defect in the cartridge, rather than a rifle.
    С какого акта анализа такой вывод? Типичный отмаз очевидного конструктивного просчета, а вернее элементарного дилетантизма. Лучше сделайте статью об изделиях братьев Толстопятовых. Там были стоящие решения.
  11. kalibr 4 January 2020 12: 34 New
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    Quote: bunta
    From what act of analysis is such a conclusion

    Before this, 857 shots were fired without this defect.
    1. bunta 4 January 2020 15: 52 New
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      Quote: kalibr
      Before this, 857 shots were fired without this defect.

      Оспидя!!! Да Вы инженер или где-то рядом?
  12. Undecim 4 January 2020 12: 35 New
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    To begin with, having placed a gas outlet assembly from M14 on the barrel, Ellis did not carry his piston-push rod shutter under the barrel, but brought him to his right side, where he moves under the barrel cover. The shutter from the AR-15 is rotated 45 degrees to the right, respectively, and its tube, into which the original hot gases enter the barrel, is tightly welded, because the push rod rests on it now, which, in turn, is affected by the gas piston during a short stroke . The shutter, as in the original rifle, with the shutter handle is not rigidly fastened. The shutter handle is welded to a metal bar with a through hole drilled in it, through which the pusher rod goes back and forth. That is, the shutter itself, and the handle itself, and they only interact when you cock the shutter yourself, and when the pusher rod acts on it, it remains stationary.
    Некоторые уточнения. Затворная рама (bolt carier) вместе с затвором (bolt) при таком изменении конструкции поворачивается на 90 градусов. Рукоятка заряжания ( charging handle) при стрельбе, как и у AR-15, остается неподвижной.
    1. Undecim 4 January 2020 13: 20 New
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      And it didn’t just work out, but it turned out to be truly unique, since it is much simpler than the AR-15 and all other models, but at the same time it is not inferior to them in combat effectiveness.
      The conclusion is doubtful in everything, starting from uniqueness, ending with a conclusion on combat effectiveness.
      For America, the appearance of such weapons is not at all unique, but rather an ordinary phenomenon. For example, the M1941 Johnson machine gun.

      Designed by Harvard Law School graduate Melvin Johnson. True, he did not assemble a machine gun from units of different manufacturers, he assembled it from units of rifles of his own design. Such a talented American lawyer.
      There are no special simplifications either. The same gas vent automation.
      Nothing can be said about combat effectiveness, since the shot did not amount to 1000 shots. What can I talk about? What is the effectiveness?
      It is known that its creator fired about 860 shots from it, and only on one of the last ones the bottom detached, but this is more of a cartridge defect, not a rifle.
      This is more likely a defect of a rifle, rather than a cartridge, which is the result of artisanal manufacture.
      Obviously, there is a large gap between the shutter mirror and the bottom of the sleeve.
  13. irontom 4 January 2020 14: 16 New
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    Одно дело пострелушки в тире, другое армейское оружие прошедшие огонь, пыль, воду - да в руках бойца которые растут из одного места. Именно из-за этого клоны АК до сих пор входят в 10-ку популярных стволов на гражданском рынке тех же Штатов. А эпопея с заменой М-16 и ее мод. никогда не кончится.
    На счет оружейного техно творчества, в юности конец 80-х ходил вечерами в токарный кружок на подшефном предприятии "ремонт сельхозтехники", Цех с всевозможными станками, был в нашем полном распоряжении, - токарные, фрезерные, отрезные, был станок для заливки пластика в формы (который сами изготавливали) из гранул, обточка и наварка каленвалов, сварочный цех и т.д. Взрослые (как бы руководители) занимались своими мы своими. Мы получив базовые навыки были - кто картинг мастерил, парни из инвалидки СМЗ С-3Д лепили багги, кто дурью маялся. Моя увлеченность оружием - сначала карамультук простейший дульнозарядник -дробовик (неплохо бобахал) из цельной стальной болванки, потом баловался мелкашечными патронами - проблема была в нарезке ствола (так и не получился), а так начал делать револьвер и автомат со свободным затвором. Так и не доделал, "любовь" помешала.
  14. Saxahorse 4 January 2020 18: 01 New
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    The article turned out to be fun, thanks to the author!

    The truth of the appropriateness of such structures is really in doubt. And in general, enthusiasm is directed in some dubious direction. :) I involuntarily recalled the old British meme:

    "They say that Colonel Shrapnel was a hefty bastard .. He hated people fiercely since childhood!" (with) laughing
    1. kalibr 4 January 2020 18: 08 New
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      Quote: Saxahorse
      The article turned out to be fun

      Here is a man who can read and understand what is written!
      1. Catfish 4 January 2020 19: 57 New
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        Vyacheslav hello and thank you. hi
        Mayakovsky's words come true, though not about America said:

        "We must have many poets, good and different ..." (C)

        I don’t know how they are with the poets, but weapons-made weapons breed like mushrooms after rain. laughing
  15. kalibr 4 January 2020 18: 09 New
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    [quote = bunta] Yes, are you an engineer or somewhere nearby?
    What are you, fortunately did not even come close!
    1. Undecim 4 January 2020 18: 58 New
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      A typical otmaz of an obvious constructive miscalculation, or rather elementary amateurism.

      А ведь он совершенно прав. Собственно, главная конструкторская идея в этой винтовке - повернуть ствольную коробку на девяносто градусов. При этом совершенно непонятно, какие преимущества собирался получить конструктор этим поворотом.
      А далее идет решение созданной поворотом проблемы - состыковка газового двигателя и затворной рамы и переделка УСМ. Притом - на коленке. Ничего удивительного, что "опытный образец" на девятой сотне выстрелов заимел поперечный разрыв гильзы.
      1. Catfish 4 January 2020 19: 54 New
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        the "prototype" in the ninth hundred shots took over the transverse rupture of the liner.


        Well, Goryunov also tore the sleeve "how hello" and much earlier than on the ninth hundred shots. In my opinion, this is not an indicator, though I am far from being an engineer and I don’t dare to argue with educated people. Although, I served with this machine gun for three years together, "hugging".
        1. Undecim 4 January 2020 23: 42 New
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          This is an indicator. It all depends on whether the operational reason or structural.
          У упомянутого Вами СГМ основная причина поперечного разрыва гильзы - стандартная и может присутствовать в любом образце - увеличенный зазор между дном выреза затвора и казенным срезом ствола. Может быть вызвана как загрязнением, так и смещением ствола вперед вследствие, предположим, износа замыкателя ствола. То есть - эксплуатационная, может возникнуть на любом выстреле, хотя конструктору можно тоже предъявить претензии в плане конструкции.
          But the same reason may be due to lack of design. A transverse rupture can also be caused by an incorrect calculation of the gas engine, which, with too high accelerations, will break the liner.
  16. kalibr 4 January 2020 21: 52 New
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    [quote = Undecim]Actually, the main design idea in this rifle is to turn the receiver by ninety degrees. At the same time, it is completely incomprehensible what advantages the designer was going to get with this turn.
    And then comes the solution to the problem created by the twist - the matching of the gas engine and the bolt and the USM alteration. Moreover - on the knee. It is not surprising that the "prototype" in the ninth hundred shots had a transverse rupture of the liner.

    That's right. I wanted to and he did so. He liked this. The artist paints pictures and often repeats the plot, by the way, soon it will be about. A technically gifted person ... "also writes." But in his own way. That's all. Just a hobby and nothing more. In something better, in something worse ...
    1. Undecim 4 January 2020 22: 26 New
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      Vyacheslav Olegovich, I don’t argue about the freedom to choose a hobby. This is great when you have the opportunity to do what you like. We discuss only the results. Agree, since the artist exposes the results of his hobby for review, observers have the right to express their opinion. I do not like the work of this "weapons artist".
      The style “I blinded it from what was” is not mine.
      I am a fan of serious masters like Aldo Uberti. A man in general began in the village.

      This is a modern replica of the 1847 Walker. Fully consistent with the original.
      1. kalibr 5 January 2020 08: 35 New
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        Quote: Undecim
        The style “I blinded it from what was” is not mine.
        I am a fan of serious masters like Aldo Uberti. A man in general began in the village.
        This is a modern replica of the 1847 Walker. Fully consistent with the original.

        I agree with you, Viktor Nikolaevich! I agree ... but ... since I’m just one of those who "out of everything at hand" does, I am indulgent to people of this sort. As the saying goes, a fisherman - a fisherman ... I had no other opportunities. And I wanted to work with my hands ...
  17. Basarev 4 January 2020 21: 54 New
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    And we have such creativity is prohibited. And I would like to see our version of the total war rifle. Even simpler and cheaper AK.
    1. kalibr 4 January 2020 22: 15 New
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      And we have such creativity is prohibited. And I would like to see our version of the total war rifle.

      That's it! And this is the main thing ... A lot of things are forbidden, what needs to be controlled, and not prohibited ...
  18. cat Rusich 5 January 2020 01: 38 New
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    Model copy of the FAU-2. Do not confuse the first ballistic missile and RS from Katyusha. Hamas from the Gaza Strip is full of Kassam RSs (1-3 and El-Quds -101 range up to 16 km) from pipes, fuel from SAHARA and the simplest explosive for warheads. In Syria, PCs were massively used from household gas cylinders (for the kitchen) and oxygen cylinders, a pipe with the simplest shank was welded to the cylinders, for "fuel" and launched "towards the enemy." About Fort Ellis. I’m not a gunsmith engineer, designer Ellis took the M-16, put the M-16 on the right side, turned the handle with the trigger for 90 degrees ... creatively worked by making a “box”, replaced the direct gas vent with a short-stroke piston ... The designer Ellis managed to "put on his pants over his head."
    1. kalibr 5 January 2020 08: 33 New
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      Quote: cat Rusich
      I’m not a gunsmith engineer, the designer Ellis took the M-16, put the M-16 on the right side, turned the handle with the trigger for 90 degrees ... creatively worked by making a “box”, replaced the direct gas outlet with a piston with a short stroke ..

      This is where creativity lies.
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        Creativity = "Black Square" K. Malevich = XR86 "Fort Ellis". Life = Wallpaper = AK 47 ...
  19. philosopher 7 January 2020 16: 24 New
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    If we hadn’t been planted for such creativity in our country, there would have been more original interesting weapons.