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European allies do not lose hope of creating a military airline business on the Vistula River and accelerate air expansion. We are talking about the heavy fighters Eurofighter Typhoon.


The promise to expand industrial cooperation will be the key that will open access to the most ambitious rearmament programs for the Polish aviationwrites the resource radar.rp.pl. In December 2019, representatives of the Italian defense, aviation and space industries, including the Italian Leonardo group, actively promoted this idea in Warsaw.

Poland is already a strategic client of Leonardo Corporation, representatives of the Italian industrial giant say. The Italians recalled a contract for eight AJT M-346 Master aircraft received by the Eagle School in Polish Deblin. Now the fleet of light aircraft AJT will expand due to new simulators. They will be operated by the Polish Air Force as part of an integrated training system for pilots of Polish military aviation.

Why is the Ministry of National Defense of Poland tempted by Eurofighter Typhoon fighters?

At present, Eurofighters, descending from production lines, are machines with increased tactical capabilities. Much has changed compared to when Eurofighter Typhoon was used in the Old World 14-15 years ago. Military expert Jerzy Grushinsky confirms that the fighter "becomes a multi-tasking machine." The last point above the "i" was set by the installation of weapons, namely long-range missiles. Grushinsky believes that after the current modernization, the Eurofighter Typhoon can qualify as a 4+ generation aircraft.

True, this car is "not quite invisible." This is especially clear from comparing Typhoon with the latest models: the F-35 Lightning II from Lockheed Martin or Rafale from Dassault Aviation. Eurofighter differs from them in a weaker limited detection system (stealth).

Typhoons, on the other hand, make up for this weakness with much greater payload. According to Grushinski, the increased carrying capacity opens up the possibility of expanding the airborne reconnaissance and electronic warfare equipment. At the same time, it allows the use of suspensions with additional missile weapons. New electronic equipment and weapons allow the Typhoons to simultaneously perform several different tasks in one flight, the expert points out.

Recall, to date, the Eurofighter industrial consortium (Airbus Defense & Space, Leonardo and BAE Systems with production centers in Germany, Italy and the UK) has released 623 Typhoons. As a result, Eurofighter became the largest European military program.

Typhoon has new radars. He is armed with high-precision European missiles, including Storm Shadow to destroy strategic ground targets. In addition, the vehicles will receive Meteor guided missiles (air-to-air) and Brimstone anti-tank missiles.

"Typhoons" are in fleets of already eight countries. These are Germany, Austria, Great Britain, Italy, Spain, Saudi Arabia and Oman. The first plane is waiting for the ninth participant, Kuwait: the state ordered 24 cars.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 3 January 2020 07: 06 New
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    Poles need to sell F-35!
    Only F-35!
    And more expensive!
    So that Poland finally disappears!
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 3 January 2020 07: 14 New
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      European allies do not lose hope of creating a military airline business on the Vistula River and accelerate air expansion. We are talking about the heavy fighters Eurofighter Typhoon.
      Let them dream, Pshek has its breadwinner.
      Quote: Victor_B
      Poles need to sell F-35!
      Only F-35!
      And more expensive!
      So that Poland finally disappears!
      That's right, even if the Sejm is against it.
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 3 January 2020 08: 12 New
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        Quote: Mavrikiy
        That's right, even if the Sejm is against it.

        "To destroy a small country, it’s enough to give her a cruiser"

        (Someone of the greats)

        And here also SELL (expensive) God himself commanded.
    2. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 3 January 2020 15: 07 New
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      It is unlikely that the Psheks will “pull” the F - 35 - a very expensive chia. If even the Dutch “turned on” the back, then where are the proud panamas? Comparing the economic opportunities of Poland and the Netherlands is not even funny. But the Washington Reich Chancellery will not allow its lackeys to buy any European trash, only kosher, mattress airplanes.
      1. Timx
        Timx 3 January 2020 17: 06 New
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        Poland’s economy will be 2 times more Dutch (oh, excuse me, Dutch) - they have enough money ..
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 3 January 2020 17: 28 New
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          Where does this data come from? From Polish sources? I’m embarrassed to ask how such nishtyaki are earned - by assembling refrigerators and washers from Korean spare parts?
        2. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 3 January 2020 22: 46 New
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          PPP GDP in Poland is approximately 25% higher than the Dutch one. And GDP at face value, on the contrary, is about half as small among the Poles. So you are wrong.
          1. Timx
            Timx 4 January 2020 10: 04 New
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            GDP is generally an extremely strange indicator for comparing economic systems (business and housing systems) of different countries, it is biased in nature. So, Dutch GDP is counted, for example, by the turnover of Gazprom and Rosneft subsidiaries, transshipment services for millions of tons of Chinese, Vietnamese, Indonesian consumer goods, the production of which the Netherlands has the same attitude as we do to grow timber in the taiga or crystallize diamonds in the bowels of Yakutia (which, by the way, still go by the pennies for cutting to Amsterdam and thereby increase the Dutch GDP ..) + a bunch of legal, consulting, rating agencies, offices and firms whose services are so in demand First of all, the countries of the `` 3rd world ''. But, since most of their profits immediately go to the offshore and pockets of their founders and co-owners, they pay taxes to the state budget purely symbolic - therefore, we get that the GDP is formally in such `` highly developed '', `` post-industrial '' economies quite high, but these countries have no real money for the development of infrastructure and the purchase of weapons (and most importantly, their further maintenance). In contrast, by the way, from countries such as Vietnam, Indonesia or Turkey with Algeria, which, having a developed `` real sector '' of their economies, have no less than `` real '' revenues to the budgets of their countries and the ability to build and develop infrastructure, maintain and strengthen the armed forces ..

            Poland also belongs to them, producing a significant part of both food and industrial (and very high-tech) products in the European Union - for example, they produce fuselages for all export S-70 Blackhaw helicopters and, in part, for S- 92, made on the basis of the same S-70, and also participate in production cooperation on GE aircraft engines and the French SAFRAN Group, make transmissions for the same modern helicopters (with which we, for example, have complete joints), and also participate in large shipbuilding France programs and Italy as a partner of 1-2 levels ...

            So Poland is a well-developed economy (although, of course, not self-sufficient due to its size and relatively small population), it reminds Israel somewhat, adjusted for the size of countries and some other characteristic features)) But there are opportunities to buy a couple of squadrons '' She definitely has Eurofighters, Rafaleys, or the same F-35s: if Austria had taken the Typhoons at one time (more precisely, the Germans put them in to raise their image and status in the EF- program 2000, which at that moment fell below the plinth), paying full export for them a price that was hoo in those years wink
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 4 January 2020 14: 40 New
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              But the Netherlands also has a very developed real sector of the economy. Take at least their agriculture, one of the most developed in the world.
              1. Timx
                Timx 4 January 2020 17: 19 New
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                Yes, they have, like many other EU countries, however wink But, as well as in neighboring countries (France, Belgium, Great Britain, etc.), they have sharply subsidized funds (consider them to be `` planned unprofitable ''), remember at least the protests of local farmers after the EU imposed sanctions and stopped exporting their products to Russia - they were only reassured by the next increase in subsidies from the state. And where do the governments of such small countries (the population of the Netherlands about 17 million people, including several million emigrants from around the world who themselves mostly sit on the neck of the state) get funds for all these subsidies and allowances? That's right, due to savings on cheap Russian gas, oil, diamonds and due to billions of `` our '' (most likely already) oligarchs, who they are happy to pump out of our economy and pour into their wink
                Therefore, we do not hear about cases of a ban on the vision of “business” for such terrible “friends” of our president in their law-abiding and fair countries, sacredly respecting human rights and all sorts of different minorities ..))
                1. atalef
                  atalef 4 January 2020 17: 22 New
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                  Quote: TimX
                  who themselves mostly sit on the neck of the state) take funds for all these subsidies and allowances? That's right, due to savings on cheap Russian gas, oil, diamonds and due to billions of `` our '' (most likely already) oligarchs, who they are happy to pump out of our economy and pour into their

                  Well, yes, the whole world lives at your expense. laughing
                  1. Timx
                    Timx 4 January 2020 17: 36 New
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                    Well, the countries of Europe for the most part have been doing this for the last 70 years: they scare the States with the “Russian threat” and get nice “nishtyaks” for this, and they themselves do not hide it very much - they “scorch” constantly, Trump is already with Putin and Chinese Xi have been taunting this for a long time laughing
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 4 January 2020 17: 37 New
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                      Quote: TimX
                      Well, the countries of Europe, for the most part, have been doing this for the last 70 years: they scare the States with the “Russian threat” and get nice “nishtyaks” for it,

                      Are there proofs?
                      You already understand, then at the expense of Russia everyone lives, then at the expense of the States.
                      1. Timx
                        Timx 4 January 2020 18: 00 New
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                        I do not have time to add comments - each time a part of the message disappears sad
                        But there’s nothing much to understand: since the beginning of the 90s, the States have “allowed” Europe to use our resources (they often also actively participate in these schemes - the resale of Russian liquefied gas by Americans to Europe under the guise of their price and “as from the states” ', - as an example (it rolls especially well with Poland, Ukraine, the Baltic countries, etc.)
                        + For a long time they could put a harsh ultimatum to European countries to receive Russian billionaires and their relatives with their `` dirty '' billions and launder these `` money '' in Europe - after all, this contradicts all their tales about the rule of law and the rule of law '', and instead, the States do not disdain to invite them to their places in Miami and New York - the money `` does not smell ''))) These are the pies, if very briefly wink
                      2. atalef
                        atalef 4 January 2020 18: 04 New
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                        Quote: TimX
                        Yes, there’s nothing special to understand: since the beginning of the 90s, the States have “allowed” Europe to use our resources


                        Quote: TimX
                        the resale of Russian liquefied gas by Americans to Europe under the guise of their own and at a price `` like from the states ''

                        Where do you buy grass?
                      3. Timx
                        Timx 4 January 2020 18: 14 New
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                        Where do you buy grass?
                        - Yes, what difference does it make they do not sell to the Israelis)) So, somehow, on their own ... tongue
      2. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 4 January 2020 22: 02 New
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        Holland - 17th world economy, Poland is not included in 20
        1. Timx
          Timx 5 January 2020 05: 42 New
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          Holland?? what There is no longer such a country (5 days already as there is no) crying Now there is only the Netherlands: without drugs, prostitutes, the slave trade and infringement of the rights of minorities, but with tulips, LGBT freedoms, pedophilia and eutonasia - cheers, comrades! bully

          And, about the 17th economy of the world or the 27th - I’m not willing to repeat my impressive size `` magnum opus '' 5 lines above about comparing the economies of different countries stupidly on only one indicator - GDP, you can familiarize yourself wink
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 5 January 2020 13: 56 New
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            Holland is Philipps, Royal Dutch Shell, Airbass, Semiconductor, Constellium. What shaw is Poland?
            1. Timx
              Timx 6 January 2020 12: 03 New
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              I wonder only how sideways Airbus what Their last `` flying Dutchman '' (Fokker-F100) has recently flopped in Kazakhstan and, it seems, will now live out its life except in the African outback or somewhere in Bangladesh with Laos ..
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 6 January 2020 12: 47 New
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                In the city of Leiden, there is a very large Airbus factory.
                1. Timx
                  Timx 6 January 2020 12: 51 New
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                  And what about Poland:
                  Poland, which produces a significant part of the industrial (and very high-tech) products in the European Union - for example, they produce helicopter fuselages for the Italian Leonardo and for all export S-70 Blackhawk helicopters, as well as, in part, for the S-92 made on the basis of the same S-70, and also participate in production cooperation on GE aircraft engines and the French SAFRAN Group, make transmissions for the same modern helicopters (with which we, for example, have complete joints), take part in large shipbuilding programs ...

                  Of course, this is such a trifle against the background of the plant "fuel tanks" at the "great" Netherlands wink
                  1. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 6 January 2020 12: 52 New
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                    Cooperation - do the boxes into which engines are then packed?
                  2. Timx
                    Timx 6 January 2020 13: 16 New
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                    Poland produced 1000 helicopter engines per year back in the 80s, and here your “boxes”, I don’t know .. request
                  3. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 6 January 2020 13: 18 New
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                    In the 80s, Ukraine built hundreds of aircraft. Since 2016 - not one.
                  4. Timx
                    Timx 6 January 2020 13: 25 New
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                    Poland is not Ukraine for you; their first university appeared 400 years earlier than in Russia; but in the Netherlands at that time the city’s plague was mowing (they still pour sewage into the canals in the 21st century - these are your idols, the “lights” of civilization)))
                    PS
                    Read at your leisure, who founded the French school of gas turbine engines, or invented and sold the helicopters of the longitudinal scheme to the Americans .. Anything more useful than arguing is unclear what wink
                  5. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 6 January 2020 16: 08 New
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                    I think when the first university appeared in Holland, in Poland they ran with stone axes. And what does Russia have to do with it, are we talking about a geyropu?
                  6. Timx
                    Timx 6 January 2020 16: 23 New
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                    And what's next to argue? It was about whether the Poles would be able to buy pieces of 20-30 flyers such as Rafal, Eurofighter or the same F-35, receiving subsidies both from the EU and from the USA (as a member of NATO). In my opinion - completely, since they express a desire ... Then the flood that was no longer needed by anyone has already gone smile
                  7. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 6 January 2020 16: 34 New
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                    You yourself called the key phrase - "if they give them money," but further - completely agree - "talk in favor of the poor."
                  8. Timx
                    Timx 6 January 2020 16: 41 New
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                    Well, in Europe only France, Britain and, in part, Germany and Italy can afford to buy weapons at their own expense, and even that, they need to be intimidated as it should ... This is not a poverty problem in the former social block countries wink
                  9. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 6 January 2020 18: 30 New
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                    Strange, Holland also buys its own weapons. But the great Polyandia is waiting for handouts from Brussels or Washington. But what about its super powerful economy?
                  10. Timx
                    Timx 6 January 2020 18: 50 New
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                    Strange, the Netherlands also buys its own weapons

                    so the fact of the matter is that it doesn’t buy, but reduces, sells and re-merges once decently equipped troops: of the last losses - abandonment of tank troops, only BMPs and armored personnel carriers remained, and that cat cried ... But when they had their own aircraft carrier (equal to the British in size ..) We’ll also have to say goodbye to aviation soon - 25 pieces of F-16A (built in the early 80s) remained, and a dozen Apaches were still relatively intact (from the mid-90s ) From the Dutch army there were horns and legs, do you really not know?
                    Maybe that's why it became embarrassing for Holland to continue to be called that only the asexual biomass remained from the glorious centuries-old history of the people, army and navy ..
                  11. Timx
                    Timx 6 January 2020 19: 14 New
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                    "The Netherlands" is a type of "deep state" conquered from the sea. So already, it seems, there is one “deep people” in mind, “ukrami” is called! They generally dug up the Black Sea (in spite of `` Muscovites '', apparently wink ) - Comrades are on the right track. So you can even get to the `` NIGERLANDS '' wassat that no “Dutch Shells” and other “Phillips” nafig are needed, nobody will be there, everything goes along the knurled track .. So they (the Dutch) still have a common past with the Poles and Ukrainians - the Khazar is present (well, and MH17 also brought them extremely close)) ...
                  12. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 6 January 2020 19: 50 New
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                    And which of the Geyropeyts or even take it wider - NATO does not reduce its armies? So, the Dutch follow pan-European trends, so to speak. They even, along with everyone, participated in the F-35 program, but then thought better of it. So your claims, you can safely address any geyropeyskim power.
                  13. Timx
                    Timx 6 January 2020 20: 10 New
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                    And which of the Geyropeyts or even take it wider - NATO does not reduce its armies?

                    Well, the Poles, for example, now have the largest tank army in Europe (about 1200 Leopard and Leopard 2 are not the oldest versions + they constantly upgrade them). This, for a minute, is 1.5 times more than Russia’s T-72B3, T-90S and T-80U combined now .. sad While some are rolling around Red Square a dozen plastic `` Armat '' houses and PR tirelessly against their background, pragmatic people bought excellent equipment from Germany, Sweden and the same Holland, and last year the Germans gave them about 600 of their cars the obligation to carry out modernization with the participation of German firms. Here is a great example of smart construction of their own armed forces with limited capabilities))
                  14. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 6 January 2020 20: 44 New
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                    Why are they upgrading T - 72? Probably in spite of the oath to the Nazis?
                  15. Timx
                    Timx 6 January 2020 20: 50 New
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                    It’s so clear, it seems - in order to maintain their industrial capacities and the combat capability of the army they have not yet fully mastered the repair and modernization of Western equipment - they don’t buy T-72 now for their money, but received it when they divided the assets of the Warsaw block, so why get rid of gifts ... The same applies to MiG-29 fighters, and Mi-2, B-3, Mi-14, Mi-17 helicopters and other types of weapons of the CMEA era.
                  16. Timx
                    Timx 6 January 2020 21: 09 New
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                    It would be better if they were so worried about their Dutch: they seem to be firmly determined to `` surrender to the mercy of the strongest '' again without a single shot, as it was with them in 1940 - they stubbornly refuse to learn even from their mistakes ...
                    Well, maybe it’s right, on the other hand: it’s for sure that now women already give birth to decent women more)))
                  17. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 6 January 2020 21: 41 New
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                    And how did the heroic Polyandia conquer in World War II? Especially with her show off before the start of the war.
                  18. Timx
                    Timx 6 January 2020 21: 47 New
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                    I, in general, do not care about them the same way as about your `` Dutch '', but in fairness, they draw conclusions from their own history, like the Finns after 1918, by the way - they now have the largest armored forces to the west from Russia, which only increase every year.
                  19. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 6 January 2020 22: 12 New
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                    Why not develop if Washington and Brussels pay for it? I would also develop if I found someone who would pay for it.
                  20. Timx
                    Timx 7 January 2020 14: 19 New
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                    Why not develop if Washington and Brussels pay for it?

                    So the fact of the matter is that the army of Belgium itself, where Brussels is the capital, is an even more miserable sight than the Dutch or Danish: why are they at the expense of themselves sponsoring all sorts of different `` Holodrans '', do they really hope that will they stand for them to death, to the `` last living Pole ''?

                    I would also develop if I could find who would pay for it

                    Well, this is some kind of passive position)) 'If, yes, if only ... Just like the Balts or the Bulgarians, I swear smile Here are the Finns, and after them the Poles, Slovaks, Hungarians, Czechs found the way to the means and forced them to work for the good of their country, no matter how miserable and insignificant they seemed to various couch experts.
              2. e-sam
                e-sam 6 January 2020 22: 16 New
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                Quote: TermNachTER
                And how did the heroic Polyandia conquer in World War II?

                5,5 years. As long as the Poles, only the Germans fought in 2 MB.
              3. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 6 January 2020 22: 21 New
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                You have problems with arithmetic. If we consider the resistance movement, then the Dutch also fought like. If you consider those who fought while sitting in England, then there was only anyone there - the entire geyropa escaped. And so, organized resistance stopped on September 14th, i.e. - two weeks. Exactly as much as the Dutch.
              4. e-sam
                e-sam 6 January 2020 23: 21 New
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                Quote: TermNachTER
                You have problems with arithmetic.

                Not at all.
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                And so, organized resistance stopped on September 14th, i.e. - two weeks. Exactly as much as the Dutch.

                If you consider according to your methodology, then the USSR fought only from 22.06 to 24.09.1941. Since that day the USSR ended the Soviet-German war (the Bolsheviks called it the Second World War), joining the WWII on the side of the Anglo-Saxons. And 2 in Europe ended 08.09.1941MB.
              5. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 7 January 2020 00: 33 New
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                I counted from the moment of the invasion of Germans on the territory of states to the end of the organized resistance of the armed forces of that state. If sclerosis doesn’t fail me, the Soviet-German war ended on May 9, 1945, in an old Slavic village - Berlin, which in one of the Slavic dialects means a dam for fish.
              6. e-sam
                e-sam 7 January 2020 00: 43 New
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                Quote: TermNachTER
                until the termination of organized resistance of the armed forces of this state.

                This resistance ended on 08.05.1945/XNUMX/XNUMX in Berlin.
                The Poles did not capitulate to the Germans.
                Quote: TermNachTER
                If sclerosis doesn’t fail me, the Soviet-German war ended on May 9, 1945, in the ancient Slavic village - Berlin

                He will cheat on you. World War 2 in Europe ended on 08.05.1945/XNUMX/XNUMX
              7. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 7 January 2020 00: 59 New
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                Of course they did not capitulate, the capital of Poland is London, it was there that the government was located, which abandoned its country and its people.
              8. e-sam
                e-sam 7 January 2020 01: 20 New
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                Quote: TermNachTER
                it was there that the government that abandoned its country and its people was located.

                Who told you that threw it?
                In wartime, Poland was led by the commander in chief of its armed forces, Marshal Rydz-Smigly. He left Poland on September 17.09.1941, 2, after an attack on Poland by the USSR, ordering the Polish army to leave and intern in Romania. He gave the order precisely because the USSR attacked from the rear, and Poland could not fight on XNUMX fronts.
                And the Polish government led Poland exclusively in peacetime. Those. until 01.09.1939/XNUMX/XNUMX. So it was all arranged for them.
                At the same time, Poland did not capitulate to Germany. And in front of the USSR, too.
              9. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 7 January 2020 17: 07 New
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                Of course, she never capitulated to anyone, so she was divided four times.
              10. ssm
                ssm 7 January 2020 17: 17 New
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                No need to juggle. This is not good.
                By the way, with all the sharing, Poland is still alive and will survive many of its eastern neighbors.
              11. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 7 January 2020 18: 37 New
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                What did I distort? This is the official story. These events are called the First, Second, etc. sections of Poland. Who will survive the difficult question, in 1939, Poland also hoped for its western allies, didn’t forget how it ended?
  • 3danimal
    3danimal 4 January 2020 21: 28 New
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    Why Reich Chancellor? (Speech about the White House or the Senate?) Are the Nazis sitting there? And the US has a federal structure ...
  • Amateur
    Amateur 3 January 2020 07: 12 New
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    This is especially clear from comparing Typhoon with the latest models: Lockheed Martin's F-35 Lightning II or Gust Dassault Aviation.

    Have you come up with another "invisibility"?
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 3 January 2020 07: 28 New
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    They decided to pump Polyahia with weapons, and use it as a battering ram against Russia! All these preparations of Polyakhia have only one goal - a military provocation on the border with Russia! Europe sees that such a “commodity” as Russophobia disappears from the side of Polyakhia. So why not use the anti-Russian rhetoric of the "apple empire" to your advantage? Fighting against Russia with the hands of inveterate Russophobia is much cheaper than climbing into such an adventure. Therefore, as soon as Polyakhia receives new airplanes, as soon as Europe "feeds" this manual dog with finances, Polyakhia is pushed into the war against Russia, with the secret support of the entire NATO bloc.
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 3 January 2020 07: 48 New
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      Do the Poles really want to fight with Russia? Just Russophobia and the real war with Russia, these are two different things.
      1. Thrifty
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        Pessimist 22-and who will ask them? If you invest in Russophobia, then you need to go all the way to force the Poles to arrange at least a military provocation against Russia. And further according to the plan, the United States will find a couple of hundred billion dollars so that Europe fights against Russia. The war in Europe is, in the first place, very necessary and beneficial precisely for the United States, but on the condition that the war does not come to American soil.
    2. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 3 January 2020 07: 52 New
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      Poles prefer to rake in heat with the wrong hands. They are not in the first echelon, which the West is ready to throw "under the tanks" of the war with Russia. The former Soviet republics, having proved their Russophobia and strapped to the military machine of the West, are the first victims. negative
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 3 January 2020 09: 20 New
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        Quote: bessmertniy
        The former Soviet republics, having proved their Russophobia and strapped to the military machine of the West, are the first victims.

        is it the Baltic states or what? how many armies do they have for three?
        1. bessmertniy
          bessmertniy 3 January 2020 09: 23 New
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          Well, Ukraine and Georgia are also worth adding here.
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 5 January 2020 01: 37 New
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            none of you indicated will come to us, if only young-Europeans (EX-ATS) ...
  • rocket757
    rocket757 3 January 2020 07: 43 New
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    The usual development of a conventional combat aircraft, workhorse ... without a claim to exclusivity.
  • certero
    certero 3 January 2020 08: 00 New
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    They decided to pump Polyahia with weapons, and use it as a battering ram against Russia!

    There will be no war. Russophobia - separately, and the war - separately. As long as Russia has an "express delivery of heat and light" in the person of the Strategic Missile Forces, everything will be limited only to words.
  • 1536
    1536 3 January 2020 08: 05 New
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    The Poles need to make the film "Four Pilots and a Dog."
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      Fantazer911 3 January 2020 08: 39 New
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      No, better four zombies from the Poles wassat
      1. rich
        rich 3 January 2020 12: 52 New
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        four poles and litaka
  • svp67
    svp67 3 January 2020 08: 39 New
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    I don’t think that the Eurofighters will now be with the Poles, rather the F-15 or F-18
    1. knn54
      knn54 3 January 2020 11: 05 New
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      And in order to buy the F-15 / F-18 at the lowest possible price, you need to be "interested", in particular, "Typhoon."
      1. svp67
        svp67 3 January 2020 13: 54 New
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        Quote: knn54
        And in order to buy the F-15 / F-18 at the lowest possible price, you need to be "interested", in particular, "Typhoon."

        It’s logical ... and better than the Su-30, then in general ...
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 3 January 2020 10: 38 New
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    If the Poles are in the foreground in an attack on the Russian Federation, then F35 is needed ..
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      svp67 3 January 2020 13: 57 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      If the Poles are in the foreground in an attack on the Russian Federation, then F35 is needed ..

      Everything is needed. And that anyway. Generation 4 aircraft are the most powerful flying platforms capable of inflicting such damage on the enemy with their weapons, which require two or even three F-35s.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 3 January 2020 14: 30 New
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        4th may not reach. Due to layered air defense of the Russian Federation.
        1. svp67
          svp67 3 January 2020 16: 35 New
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          Quote: Zaurbek
          4th may not reach. Due to layered air defense of the Russian Federation.

          Why fly? They will work from their territory. Fortunately there are plenty of missiles for various purposes.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 3 January 2020 16: 46 New
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            And to destroy bunkers and fortified objects with what? Stealth for this and did ... closer to fly away to launch a rocket. The first wave of the Kyrgyz Republic, the second stealth and the third wave of the 4th generation and F-35 with external arms.
            1. svp67
              svp67 3 January 2020 16: 49 New
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              Quote: Zaurbek
              And to destroy bunkers and fortified objects with what?

              Missiles and planning air bombs
              Quote: Zaurbek
              The first wave of the Kyrgyz Republic

              And who are their carriers?
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                Zaurbek 3 January 2020 16: 51 New
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                B-2,52, Ships ... and anti-bunker bombs do not fly far.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 3 January 2020 16: 56 New
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                  Quote: Zaurbek
                  B-2,52, Ships ... and anti-bunker bombs do not fly far.

                  You at least look at "Vic". the same Eurofighter is able to use for example the KR Storm Shadow, Taurus, RCC AGM-84 "Harpoon"
                  1. Zaurbek
                    Zaurbek 3 January 2020 19: 24 New
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                    Able .... at what distance and at what range? And how many planes will be shot down and when will they notice their massive take-off?
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 3 January 2020 19: 35 New
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                      Quote: Zaurbek
                      Able .... at what distance and at what range?

                      Judging by Syria, where these CDs were used, the distance is quite large. Their planes did not enter the air defense zones
                      Quote: Zaurbek
                      And how many planes will be shot down and when will they notice their massive take-off?

                      They do not have to be knocked down, intellectually, they must also be destroyed at airfields ...
                      Oh, I wouldn’t like it to come to this
                      1. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 3 January 2020 21: 18 New
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                        So this is the difference between our air defense and the Syrian one, and therefore Tomogavki will be the first to go in the right quantity for each division of the S300 and 400 ..... and then the F35 will finish the rest with their own missiles.
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                        Quote: Zaurbek
                        So this is the difference between our air defense and the Syrian one, and therefore Tomogavki will be the first to go in the right quantity for each division of the S300 and 400 ..... and then the F35 will finish the rest with their own missiles.

                        The Tomahawks will be one of many in this raid. There will be much more.
                        And most importantly, they will not be the first.
                      3. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 3 January 2020 21: 35 New
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                        It depends on the task. If the task is to destroy our important goals and remain with minimal losses ourselves, then only Tomogavki and aviation. They even calculated that they needed 10-9000 pieces with different warheads and tactical and aviation systems and missile defense systems. and according to their own calculations, retaliatory launching was still carried out by nuclear submarines. And the task is to grovel at us and catch a retaliatory strike from all the guns - so-so entertainment. There is no such disagreement.
  • Ax Matt
    Ax Matt 3 January 2020 16: 04 New
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    What is the article about? Typhoon is a very self-assured and highly modernized "yesterday." And then, and about what "stealth" can we speak on it and on Rafale? What the heresy? The external suspension of everything and everything! What is a stealth hair dryer? How can you compare the F-35 and Rafal? Not competent ...
    1. Timx
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      It’s not just about the external (internal) suspension that matters ... Rafal has applied a whole range of measures to reduce EPR: radar absorbing coatings, gilding of the cockpit lamp, widespread use of composites and glass and carbon fiber reinforced plastic ( more than 40% of the airframe surface - comparable to F-22A), `` chevron '' (sawtooth) edges of panels and compartments, `` optimized '' shape of air intakes (unregulated), `` conformal '' (recessed into the fuselage) missile suspension ' 'air-to-air' ', as well as an optimized form of weaponry' 'air-to-surface' '+ it is simple, sa in itself, a very tiny .. - all it takes it to the aircraft category with '' reduced '' EPR-type influenza Saab, the F-18E and the same F-35 suspension or PTB missiles outside. And in this regard, it is significantly ahead of the same F-15s, Su-30-34-35, MiG-29M (35), Eurofighter Typhoon, as well as Japanese and Chinese crafts ...
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 4 January 2020 11: 28 New
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        "as well as Japanese and Chinese crafts ..." ////
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        I agree with your post, except, in part, for the last sentence.
        The Japanese produce licensed F-15 and F-16, which are not stealth at all - this is true.
        But China has released, designed from scratch, pure stealth J-20.
        And another stealth - an analogue of the F-35 - in trials.
        ----
        The French are squeezing the maximum out of their Rafal. They have a choice, since
        there is no fifth generation on its way.
        1. Timx
          Timx 4 January 2020 11: 42 New
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          I had in mind the Japanese F-2, which uses radar absorbing coatings, the gilding of the cockpit lantern, and the percentage of use of composites and carbon fiber in the airframe is significantly increased compared to the original prototype of this aircraft - the Lokhidov F-16 Block. 40 wink
          And among the Chinese, I primarily consider the J-10, JF-17 models (which are somehow represented on the international market), as well as the numerous clones of Russian Su-27-30-33-35, which they make purely for '' internal use '' ...
          Still, the J-20 as well as the J-31 (which the Chinese themselves do not even have in the small series) are vehicles of a slightly different class and we are unlikely to see them in the near future on the world arms market.
          Something like that wink
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 4 January 2020 11: 53 New
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            The Americans have long been "gilding" the cabs of their F-16s.
            Not only on the F-22 and F-35 it is. This is not a new technology.
            -----
            To stealth was at the level of F-22 -35, the aircraft must be designed
            from scratch. But also a partial decrease in the EPR in certain angles
            in air battles will help. Efforts are not futile.
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            The Americans recently did special melee air force exercises.
            F-35 vs F-16. In the ratio of one F-35 against two F-16, four F-16, five.
            They taught the F-35 pilots how to survive in such "bear raids."
            I mean, the 4th generation has a chance to fill up the 5th with quantitative
            superiority and certain tactics.
            1. Timx
              Timx 4 January 2020 12: 17 New
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              the plane needs to be designed
              from scratch
              Alexei, that’s why I left the F-16 outside the brackets, that measures to reduce EPR to one degree or another are present in all currently produced combat aircraft [our Su-30-34-35, MiG-29K / M2 also have special coatings for the lantern (MiG-35), MiG-31BM, Tu-22M3M, Tu-160M ​​(M2) and other machines] - this will not surprise anyone now ..
              At the same time, from the end of the 80s, a subclass of combat vehicles (conditionally referred to as `` generation 4+ '') began to appear, in which measures to reduce the EPR were laid down initially, were `` harmoniously '' integrated into the design of the airframe, without serious reduction of LTH (like F-117, B-2 and others) and having an acceptable (compared to the fifth generation) cost (and, most importantly, the cost of “ownership” or “life cycle”).
              These include Dasso '' Rafal '', EF-2000 '' Typhoon '', Saab '' Gripen '', McDonnel-Douglas (now Boeing) F-18E / F / G '' Super Hornet '' and, in part, the Japanese F-2, the Chinese J-10, the Indian HAL `` Tejas '', and the Israeli project IAI `` Lavi '' also had signs of reduced EPR in the design of their airframe (which then formed the basis of the ideas of Chinese J -10) wink
      2. Ax Matt
        Ax Matt 5 January 2020 16: 57 New
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        With what fright did the Typhoon suddenly become “miniature,” and “40%” of surfaces are similar to the F-35? Where are the angles and surfaces that form the fundamental tap of the radar signal ?! Dear, "Typhoon" was designed in the mid-80s (like the F-16, MiG-29 ...) according to the classical scheme with a triangular duck-type wing, run-in on the Mirages. Not to mention the Swedish Grippen, the English Vulcan and Valkyrie: with the classic contours of the "4" generation in the low wing. About any "stealth" corners and technologies there can be no question. All of the above you are just trying to lower the EPR. Although a good attempt ... The classic fifth generation weapons strictly inside! Not to mention the hanging tanks! Or maybe he has the opportunity to cruise over-the-air supersonic? Or is there a radar mode in passive mode? Well, don’t tell ... gilding ... sawt-edged edges ... His direct rivals in terms of performance characteristics are only "4 +" ... but at the cost per unit (130-140 million $ / pcs. !!!!) this Of course, here he is a competitor only F-35 ... laughing
        1. Timx
          Timx 6 January 2020 12: 24 New
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          What a fright suddenly "Typhoon"became" miniature "

          I, it seems, quite specifically indicated - ''Rafale''
          no need to distort my words please wink

          "40%" surfaces are similar to F-35..

          - and what is actually written in my post:
          more than 40% of the airframe surface - comparable to F-22A .


          It seems to someone it’s high time to “start to have a bite” (to oversleep), and then already try to take on “analytics” ... lol

          Merry Christmas to you, dear!
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 3 January 2020 23: 03 New
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    Why is the Kyrgyz troll provocateur still not banned?
  • voyaka uh
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    Try to save the Typhoon program from closing.
    Only Germany plans to buy more Typhoons for its Air Force to
    The assembly plant continued to work.
    The remaining participants in the Typhoon program either bought the F-35 (England, Italy),
    or look this way (Spain).
    1. Timx
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      For Germany, it is now very important to maintain competencies (primarily qualified personnel) until the full-scale development and testing of prototypes of a new joint fighter with the French and Spaniards begins (conditionally the generation of `` 5+ ''). Otherwise, they will only have the role of a `` donor '': funds will flow from the German budget to the French and, in part, to the Spaniards, and develop their industry and science, pay for the work of specialists in these countries ...
      1. voyaka uh
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        I understand the Germans. Engineers, jobs, etc.
        But for them it would be very reasonable to buy a squadron or two
        F-35 - for review at least. When designing your car
        there was nothing to compare. Otherwise, without the experience of the 5th generation, it will turn out no better,
        than Americans, and the same thing (or worse).
        The Chinese bought a pair of Su-35 squadrons. Now they have a platform for
        comparisons: "this must be done, like the Russians, but this is to change ..."
        . They will also buy a little Su-57, and again - there is nothing to compare.
        1. Timx
          Timx 4 January 2020 14: 32 New
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          Well, the German Bundeswehr has no money to maintain their own cars ('' Tornado '' and '' Eurofighter '') in a fighting condition, and you offer them to buy F-35 more to the heap))
          And besides, in this program (if it happens at all), the leading violin will still be played by France (Dassault companies and Airbus Defense France division), which has developed its own aircraft school over the past 60 years ( unlike Germany, where, after WWII, the best aircraft designers were dragged by the United States and the "allies", and the rest simply scattered around the world (Argentina, Chile, Brazil, India, Egypt, the same Spain and Italy) .That is why now understandable (this can be seen from the layouts and graphics that Dasso demonstrates at the latest air shows a couple of years) that the future machine will have the traditional features of the French Aircraft Engineering School (primarily the tailless scheme), into which they will try, as always as succinctly and with their inherent charm and '' a sense of style '', to incorporate the modern achievements of the world aircraft industry (internal cargo compartments, shielding of engine compressors with airframe structural elements, `` low emission '' vertical plumage and engine nozzles).
          Their car will be much closer in appearance to the future British-Italian fighter BAe Systems' 'Tempest' 'than to aircraft such as the F-22 and F-35 (normal aerodynamic design) and the Russian C-57 (normal design or' 'hidden triplane' '- a piece of Sukhoi, which few people still notice wink )
          1. Timx
            Timx 4 January 2020 14: 53 New
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            As for the possibility of something to `` borrow '' or take into account the experience of operating the F-35, so for that they have `` NATO associates and partners '' in the person of neighboring Belgium and Italy (for France) and Norway, and in in the near future, Denmark and the Netherlands are also obvious (for Germany), which are simply obliged as part of the alliance laughing to exchange experience with partners in the alliance)) It’s stupid not to use this opportunity, and even practically for free, deducting money every year for the maintenance of this very “NATO”))) wink
          2. voyaka uh
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            Tornado decommission, in my opinion?
            German pilots need to fly on the F-35 and compare.
            Actually, they already did this in 2018, and the Air Force commander said that
            The Air Force wants an F-35. He was immediately fired for "unpatriotism" in relation to
            to domestic industry. sad
            State interests do not always coincide with the military.
            1. Timx
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              I don’t know how they write off the Tornado (meaning reconnaissance and electronic warfare modifications, their interceptors have long been in reserve - purely for quantity, as in Italy, Great Britain and Arabia, however), if in the Bundeswehr '' Typhoons '' in a condition suitable for flight and 2 full regiments is not recruited)))
              1. Timx
                Timx 4 January 2020 15: 56 New
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                So, the Bundeswehr has no trivial means to maintain long-purchased cars, and you offer them to fork out more and the F-35 - another new type with the additional costs for the life cycle, staff training, and the purchase of equipment (diagnostic and repair) ... This is an extremely dubious idea, especially for extremely pragmatic and prudent Germans.
                PS If you really want to see your favorite F-35 with a swastika on board, then there is an option for renting an F-35A squadron, for example, from Israel))) And what, you give them an F-35A, and they will repair and modernize you in return submarines in their shipyards, which were built in Germany)) How do you like barter? And what, I think, and the United States will not particularly object - such advertising for their aircraft (and even inside the NATO alliance - secrecy is respected)) and almost free (well, except for repainting, and changing part of communication systems (state recognition))) laughing In addition, Israel already has a similar experience: the well-known deal with Italy on the exchange (barter) of UTS M-346 Master for Israeli-made AWACS aircraft - it seems that all parties were satisfied, no one complains wink
                PPS
                It was a joke of humor smile , if that)) Happy holidays to you.
          3. voyaka uh
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            Taillessness is basically correct.
            And the Americans are going to this. Since F-35 and F-22 dissolve remarkably on
            centimeter radars, but glow on meter. Due to the tail.
            The ideal is Raider, their future bomber. He is a stealth in all radio bands accepted in the army.
            But there is a problem with maneuverability. Here it will be necessary to puzzle.