In Poland: Putin loses the war for history

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“The Kremlin’s slanderous campaign is doomed to failure,” writes Polish commentator Yendzhei Beletsky. According to the journalist, the West will not believe that Poland is also responsible "for unleashing the Second World War."

Russian leader, the author recalls in the publication Rzeczpsopolita, chose Christmas and New Year to “accuse our country of supporting Hitler’s policies five times before September 1, 1939,” says Beletsky. What did Putin count on? The fact that Western administrations operating in a “slow mode” will not react in any way? However, German Ambassador to Poland Rolf Nickel unequivocally expressed his German position on Twitter:



“The position of the federal government is clear: the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact served as preparation for the criminal invasion of Nazi Germany in Poland. Together with Germany, the USSR participated in this brutal division of Poland. ”

And not only Berlin “showed solidarity with Warsaw,” Beletsky further writes.

“Dear Mr. Putin, Hitler and Stalin collaborated at the beginning of World War II. It is a fact. Poland was the victim of this terrible conflict, ”wrote earlier Georgetta Mosbacher, US ambassador to Poland.

As for Poland itself, here in response to Putin’s accusations, Prime Minister Moravecki spoke. He made a rather harsh statement:

“Without Stalin’s participation in the partition of Poland and without the natural resources that Stalin had provided to Hitler, the German criminal machine would not have been able to cope with Europe. President Putin has lied about Poland many times. He always did it consciously. The Russian people are the greatest victim of Stalin, one of the most brutal criminals in storiesand he deserves the truth. "

There is also a private opinion. Anne Applebaum, a Pulitzer Prize winner for a book on the Gulag, believes Poland should have responded to Kremlin accusations.

The author of the article further recalls that in a September 2019 statement adopted on the occasion of the 80th anniversary of the outbreak of World War II, the European Parliament noted that “the most devastating conflict in European history began as a direct result of the famous Nazi-Soviet non-aggression pact of 23 August 1939 and its secret protocols, in which two totalitarian regimes had a common goal to conquer the world and divide Europe into two spheres of influence. ”


No, the battle for history is not over yet, Beletsky believes. Putin claimed Poland’s responsibility for starting the war. And he will present his vision of the issue on January 23 at Yad Vashem, a memorial complex in Jerusalem, and at the May 9 Parade on Red Square, dedicated to the 75th anniversary of the end of the war, writes a Polish journalist.

M. Pschidach, Poland’s deputy foreign minister, believes that in this way the Kremlin intends to “push the West to defense, make us argue about who was anti-Semitic and who wasn’t, and promote the image of Soviet Russia that freed Europe from evil.” The deputy head of the Polish Foreign Ministry said that this could not happen: "We will not allow falsification of history."
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  1. +43
    2 January 2020 06: 09
    Sword pearls ... After the war, how many people were killed for the ideals of "democracy". How can THESE be judges! But they are the ROOF for all European mongrels. Because of a few accusatory words, so many VONI rose ... and this is just the beginning. Where are our modern Kukryniksy? When will we take the offensive against our "partners"? When will we get rid of OUR imperious traitors?
    1. +29
      2 January 2020 07: 21
      “The Kremlin’s slanderous campaign is doomed to failure,” writes Polish commentator Yendzhei Beletsky. According to the journalist, The West will not believe that Poland is also responsible “for the outbreak of World War II».

      Nothing like this! The West will believe, for the water wears away the stone. Moreover, Putin told the truth!
      It is this TRUTH that must be purposefully strategically consolidated at the state national-ideological level.

      And if Russia plays a giveaway with Poland, as Gorbachev, Yeltsin and the State Duma of the Russian Federation did in relation to the "Katyn affair", then Russia cannot be sure about VICTORY.

      At the same time, it's time to end the falsification of documents on the "Katyn case" by Gorbachev / Yakovlev in the Gebelian interpretation !!!

      Will Putin and the corrupt Russian deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation have enough intelligence and spirit to admit their mistakes in the bankruptcy of their forged conciliatory and compliant policy towards Poland? And how to deal with the political impotent in the State Duma of the Russian Federation from the party "United Russia" in this matter? That's the question!
      1. +13
        2 January 2020 11: 01
        Quote: Tatiana
        Moreover, Putin told the truth!

        I think that GDP did not start this story with Poland for nothing. And apparently he is not going to finish it yet. Apparently he decided to refresh the memory of the European Tolerasts, reminding them of who in those days he did.
        And something seems to me that the closer to the 75th anniversary it will be, the more there will be such reminders not only to the Poles.
        1. 0
          3 January 2020 00: 43
          Quote: NEXUS
          Apparently decided to refresh the memory of the European Tolerasts, reminding them of who in those days what he was doing.

          hi , Andrei
          It seems to me that with regard to "Europe" and "America" ​​and especially the latter, things are dead. Their memories are completely erased. Throwing beads in front of these "mitrofanushki" is futile. Parts of old Europe still remember something, but the Young Europeans (read hyenas and jackals) are thoroughly saturated with the poison of "anti-USSR" and "anti-Russia". The Americans, on the other hand, are happily throwing woods into this fire.
      2. +5
        2 January 2020 12: 12
        Quote: Tatiana
        Will Putin and the corrupt Russian deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation have the wisdom and spirit to admit their mistakes in the failure of his false conciliatory and compliant policy towards Poland?

        I did not understand, it was Putin and “the corrupt deputies of the State Duma declared in Yalta in 1945:
        in Russian in the past there were many sins before Poland. Soviet the government seeks make amends these sins.
        ?! belay

        This Putin, on the basis of this statement, fed Poland huge German lands, huge Russian money and recreated ... powerful the enemy Russia?

        It is Putin who has been silent for decades to please this so-called. Polish "ally" about the PREDATOR Poland, which tore apart Czechoslovakia together with Hitler?

        And it was necessary since 1945 to YELL and WRITE in all textbooks and the UN about this joint REPRESENTATION of Hitler and Poland and count This is the BEGIN WWII (which it was), and not to hush up, blocking off this beast.

        Today we are reaping the fruits of that silence and feeding ..... negative
        1. +2
          2 January 2020 12: 59
          Quote: Olgovich
          I did not understand, it was Putin and “the corrupt deputies of the State Duma declared in Yalta in 1945: Russians in the past had many sins before Poland. The Soviet government is trying to atone for these sins.?!

          And what is wrong? in 1945 created the NDP. a state controlled by the USSR. in the future confrontation with the Anglo-Saxons ally.

          Quote: Olgovich
          huge Russian money

          Where does the Russian money come from? You do not confuse the respected Russians with the Soviet. Do not get beautiful.
          What they had to do, they did. Opposed your friends to the Anglo-Saxons ....
          Today we are reaping the fruits of the anti-Soviet coup.
          1. -2
            2 January 2020 13: 17
            Quote: apro
            And what is wrong?

            All wrong! Revived the ETERNAL ENEMY of Russia, at the expense of German lands recaptured by OUR soldiers! They poured blood for an increase in Poland ?!
            Quote: apro
            in 1945 created the NDP. a state controlled by the USSR. in the future confrontation with the Anglo-Saxons ally.

            AND WHERE is this "ally", eh? The history of AGE-AGE ENEMY-was it not destiny to read it? Syuznik already ... for 30 years? Isn't it a lot paid for such .... "ally", isn't it?

            If anyone considered himself proper, he could their pay off.
            Quote: apro
            Where did the Russian money come from? Are you a respected Russian with by soviet Do not confuse. Do not get beautiful.

            You, my dear, do not forget that the Russians were long BEFORE, IN TIME and exist AFTER, aha.
            Quote: apro
            What they had to do, they did.

            And yet done this yeah.

            Just now how clear-No one knows.
            1. +2
              2 January 2020 13: 44
              Dear you, in any comment you do not recognize the law. The illegitimacy of the USSR and then learn how to make smart politics? How to understand this? If the Bolsheviks did it wrong then. Now, show your time as it should .... or besides bubbles, nothing happens?

              Quote: Olgovich
              You, my dear, do not forget that the Russians were long BEFORE, IN TIME and exist AFTER, aha.

              Very happy ... and what are the results of their activities?

              Quote: Olgovich
              And yet, they did this, huh. Only now how to clear, no one knows.

              Olgovich. Are you Russian or are you doubting yourself? I know you decide better than the Bolsheviks ....
              1. -9
                2 January 2020 13: 52
                Quote: apro
                Dear you, in any comment you do not recognize the law. The illegitimacy of the USSR and then learn how to make smart politics? How to understand this? If the Bolsheviks did it wrong then. Now, show your time as it should .... or besides bubbles, nothing happens?

                Dear, WHERE is a successful country?
                WHERE are the allies?
                There is nothing?
                All missed, asked, failed ??

                So, maybe shut up, but with such "successes"?
                Quote: apro
                Very happy ... and what are the results of their activities?

                The largest country in the world.
                Quote: apro
                Olgovich. Are you Russian or are you doubting yourself? I know you decide better than the Bolsheviks ....

                They made a shit, and cleaned it with another: do not forget WHAT, by the strength of the enemy, you created for us for OUR means.
                1. +1
                  2 January 2020 14: 16
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  My dear, WHERE is a successful country? WHERE are allies? There is nothing? Did you miss everything, drink it, fire it up? So, maybe shut up, but with such "successes"?

                  Dear. But are you not Russian glad that you were able to destroy the hated bloody regime?
                  But there is no need to be silent. I know the reasons for defeat. And the reasons for victories.
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  The largest country in the world.

                  AND...….? everything ??? and a developed economy? powerful sun? science? standard of living? not a lot ...

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Do not forget WHAT by the strength of the enemy you created us for OUR means.

                  Can it really be that the sun is the second posa? and in the economy after the PRC? Once again, dear, you do not ascribe to the USSR what he did not do ... and your means ... very loudly said. and the funds of the Soviet people were controlled by the Soviet government. Today, the Russian government disposes of the funds collected on the territory of Russia. Here you can dispose of these funds.
                  1. -3
                    3 January 2020 10: 06
                    Quote: apro
                    Dear. But are you not Russian glad that you were able to destroy the hated bloody regime?

                    This regime returned the COUNTRY to the borders of the 17th century, and my people to extinction.
                    What is joy here?
                    Quote: apro
                    But there is no need to be silent. I know the reasons for defeat. And the reasons for victories

                    They are silent because of shame for the deed, if you do not understand.

                    Yes, and tell me how scary Martian the enemy has defeated you. lol
                    Quote: apro
                    AND...….? everything ??? and a developed economy? powerful sun? science? standard of living? not a lot ...

                    I didn’t understand: RUSSIA had it BEFORE you. If you forgot, then eat the same way as in 1913, the Russian man again was able only after FORTY YEARS !!!!
                    Russian science is the best in the world: all atomic scientists and tupolevs are from IMPERIAL HIGHER EDUCATION INSTITUTIONS, cut a bundle on your nose!
                    Quote: apro
                    Can it really be that the sun is the second posa? and in economics after the PRC? Once again, dear, do not ascribe to the USSR what he did not do

                    WHAT is attributed? WHO made Poland, WHO grew it with land, people, money?
                    And what do we have? The most powerful ENEMY in Eastern Europe.
                    You do not want to see this?
                    But it does not depend on your Wishlist!
                    1. -1
                      3 January 2020 11: 47
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      This regime returned the COUNTRY to the borders of the 17th century, and my people to extinction. What joy is there?

                      You dear, you can express your thoughts more precisely. It is not clear the destruction of the USSR is for the good of your people or not?

                      Quote: Olgovich
                      They are silent because of shame for their deeds, if they did not understand. Yes, and tell us what terrible Martian enemy you defeated.

                      And why do you? You clearly state that your people destroyed the USSR ...
                      but I don’t want to repent for the USSR and I don’t intend to repent and it is not counted.
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      chop a bundle on your nose!

                      What is this for? I know the history of my country.
                      You make Russian enemies yourself. Poland didn’t do anything hostile to the USSR. And if you do not like something Russian, you can do it right.
                      1. -3
                        3 January 2020 13: 14
                        Quote: apro
                        You dear, you can express your thoughts more precisely. It is not clear the destruction of the USSR is for the good of your people or not?

                        1. The collapse of the country is a catastrophe. Russia was left without a chance to regain its land

                        2. my Russian people suffered during your reign catastrophic losses (there never were such!) turned out to be CUT to pieces because of your borders and died out to your end.
                        Quote: apro
                        Why do you need it? You’re clear affirm that your people destroyed the USSR ...
                        but to me not sad and he doesn’t intend to repent and is not counted.

                        1. Give this statement: You are lying.
                        2. Not ashamed of the borders of Russia of the 17th century and the Russian Cross? So, he is simply absent.
                        Quote: apro
                        What is this for? I know the history of my country.

                        No
                        Quote: apro
                        Enemies you are doing Russian yourself themselves.PPN did not do anything hostile to the USSR.

                        ! Yeah, you created a monster Poland, and you have nothing to do with it. belay A NDP WHERE did it, huh?
                        Today's Poland, is that other people, other borders, lands, thoughts ?! What are you carrying?! belay
                        Quote: apro
                        if you are Russian something not nracurl can do as must

                        It's like a killer says: "Well, I killed him, but now you can treat him differently!" negative
                        Even the Donbass stolen from yours from Russia is incredibly difficult today, and all you had to do was force him into uraine 100 years ago! No one today thought about this, even the UKRnazists: Russia and Russia, as always.

                        And no problems today: how they are not in Taganrog, how in the Mines, which managed to RUN from your ussr in 1925

                        It came to WHAT did the "simple" stupid decisions lead to?
                      2. -1
                        3 January 2020 13: 37
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Quote: esteemed respected you can express your thoughts more precisely. It is not clear the destruction of the USSR is for the good of your people or not?

                        You dear can say yes or no?
                        That is, the Russians did not fight in the bloody regime? or fought?
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        It's like a killer says: "Well, I killed him, but now you can treat him differently!"

                        Is your people killed? Doesn’t exist?
                        Once again, the USSR created the NDP for its interests. What were the interests of the Russians at that time are not clear.
                      3. -3
                        4 January 2020 09: 35
                        Quote: apro
                        You dear can say yes or no?

                        If you do not understand Russian, then NO.
                        Quote: apro
                        That is, the Russians did not fight in the bloody regime? or fought?

                        Fought
                        Quote: apro
                        Is your people killed? Doesn’t exist?

                        He exists, but to what state are your TALKS to him ?! Before extinction and exhaustion.
                        Quote: apro
                        Once again, the USSR created the NDP for its interests. What were the interests of the Russians at that time are not clear.

                        1. ONCE AGAIN: he created the ENEMY of our country, take a look at the window. Only a complete idiot can think that the Poles adored our country before 91 g, and then they hated it sharply
                        2. Read more and understanding will come.
                      4. -1
                        4 January 2020 11: 38
                        And how is this to be understood? The USSR destroyed the Russian people. Did not build housing. Destroyed the c. Conducted anti-Russian politics. Killed Russian science and its destruction is not good for your people? How can I understand this? Are you an anti-Soviet or who? I don’t understand your position ....
                        Or you do not spark ...
                      5. -3
                        4 January 2020 12: 22
                        Quote: apro
                        And how is this to be understood? The USSR destroyed the Russian people. Did not build housing. Destroyed. Conducted anti-Russian politics. Killed Russian science and its destruction is not good for your people? How is this to be understood?

                        there is a country and there is power.

                        What's not clear?!

                        The authorities failed, they kicked her rightly, and the country and people must LIVE! How you lived a thousand years before you!
                        Quote: apro
                        Are you an anti-adviser or who? I don’t understand your position ....
                        Or you do not spark ...

                        I am a Russian person — which is good for my country and its people — and good!
                      6. -1
                        4 January 2020 13: 04
                        The country and the power, as I understand it, are different components? Is it strange only the territory or the management and goal-setting system. The creation of livelihoods?
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        I am a Russian person — which is good for my country and its people — and good!

                        I understand that you personally feel good that is good ... and since everyone ... everyone ran and I ran. Infantilism.
                      7. -3
                        4 January 2020 13: 26
                        Quote: apro
                        The country and the power, as I understand it, are different components? Is it strange only the territory or the management and goal-setting system. The creation of livelihoods?

                        At school, these concepts will be explained to you.
                        Quote: apro
                        I just I see what is good for you personally is good

                        It is written to YOU ​​to understand. Few? Read it again
                        Quote: apro
                        and since everyone ... everyone ran and I ran. infantilism.

                        belay
                        What is this?
                      8. -1
                        4 January 2020 13: 44
                        As you dear interpret the country. People. It’s generally not clear what you want to say. For everything is good against everything bad. You wouldn’t say directly what kind of feudalism you are. For frequent ownership of the means of production. For the power of money. For social non-equality. For the primacy of international rights over natsionalnoy.no same people hide behind.
                      9. -3
                        4 January 2020 13: 54
                        Quote: apro
                        How do you respected interpret the country. People. Generally not clear

                        how the Russian language interprets:
                        in political and socio-economic geography - part of the territory, the most important element of the territorial and political organization of society. A country is usually identified with a state, but the concept of “country” is cultural, and “state” is political and legal. Thus, the country's borders are simultaneously cultural and political boundaries - state borders, one way or another fixed by legal norms. Any state, seeking to legitimize itself in the representation of its citizens, directly or indirectly develops a common identity for them that distinguishes them from residents of other countries, and therefore helps to strengthen the cultural boundaries that separate it from its neighbors.
                        2) In physical geography, a large territory with a common geographical location (e.g., a coastal country) or some other feature (e.g., a mountainous country)

                        that unclear?
                        Quote: apro
                        what do you want to say. for everything is good against everything bad. you wouldn’t say directly what kind of feudalism you are. for frequent ownership of the means of production. for the power of money. for social inequality. for primacy of international law over national. no people are hiding.

                        I am for the HAPPY, BURNOUS, growing confident in the future of the Russian people.
                        If communism does it, then it’s good. If capitalism, then it is good.
                        WHAT is again incomprehensible? !!
                      10. -1
                        4 January 2020 14: 06
                        Now it’s clear both yours and ours ... you don’t have your own opinion.
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        I am for the HAPPY, BURNOSY ​​GROWTH, confident in the future of the Russian people. If communism makes it that way, then that's good. If capitalism, then it is good. WHAT is again incomprehensible? !!
                      11. -3
                        4 January 2020 14: 13
                        Quote: apro
                        Now it is clear

                        Thank God! Yes
                        Quote: apro
                        You do not have your own opinion.

                        And WHOSE am I setting out to you for a beaten DAY? lol lol
            2. +1
              2 January 2020 16: 26
              Quote: Olgovich
              Quote: apro
              And what is wrong?

              All wrong! Revived the ETERNAL ENEMY of Russia, at the expense of German lands recaptured by OUR soldiers! They poured blood for an increase in Poland ?!
              Quote: apro
              in 1945 created the NDP. a state controlled by the USSR. in the future confrontation with the Anglo-Saxons ally.

              AND WHERE is this "ally", eh? The history of AGE-AGE ENEMY-was it not destiny to read it? Syuznik already ... for 30 years? Isn't it a lot paid for such .... "ally", isn't it?

              If anyone considered himself proper, he could their pay off.
              Quote: apro
              Where did the Russian money come from? Are you a respected Russian with by soviet Do not confuse. Do not get beautiful.

              You, my dear, do not forget that the Russians were long BEFORE, IN TIME and exist AFTER, aha.
              Quote: apro
              What they had to do, they did.

              And yet done this yeah.

              Just now how clear-No one knows.

              In your opinion, it was necessary to leave Poland, under the control of the United States or Britain, as a result of the war?)
              Even if we proceed from your logic, then "out of two evils, choose the lesser", because there was a division of spheres of influence
              1. -4
                3 January 2020 10: 14
                Quote: The Siberian Barber
                In your opinion, it was necessary to leave Poland, under the control of the United States or Britain, as a result of the war?)

                In my opinion, it was not necessary to grow it with land and our money.
                And our troops had to stand in ALL countries on the path of the German invasions: Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic - by right of the winner to prevent similar in the future.
        2. +1
          3 January 2020 05: 31
          But since 1945 it was YELLOW and WRITE in all textbooks and the UN about this joint REPRESENTATION of Hitler and Poland and consider this as the BEGINNING of WWII (which was), and not to hush up, blocking off this beast.

          Purely emotional, I'm on your side.
          But from the point of view of tactics and strategy, Stalin did everything right.
          It is impossible to blame Poland without blaming France and Great Britain. After all, not only Poland supported Hitler at the initial stage. And what about "neutral" Sweden, which traded with Germany? And what about the American corporations that traded with Germany through firms?
          In 1945, Stalin could not afford it. If we had begun to blame everyone and everything on the 45th, the UN would not have appeared. Yes, and Nuremberg most likely would not be. And the USSR would not take a key place in the world hierarchy. And Stalin sacrificed fair accusations (only Germany was condemned) in favor of the UN. And Russia, as the successor of the USSR, still uses these achievements, being a permanent member of the UN Security Council, thanks to the wisdom of Stalin.
          1. -4
            3 January 2020 10: 33
            Quote: maidan.izrailovich
            But from the point of view of tactics and strategy, Stalin did everything right.

            It is visible: a powerful ENEMY on our border
            Quote: maidan.izrailovich
            Blaming Poland and not blaming France and Britain is not possible.

            The truth must be said! Otherwise, we get the current situation of making excuses.
            By the way, they didn’t hide England especially about France, but Poland was WHITENED! It turned out stupid.
            Quote: maidan.izrailovich
            And what about "neutral" Sweden, which traded with Germany? And what about the American corporations that traded with Germany through firms?

            They dismembered Czechoslovakia with Hitler, like Poland? No? So what about?
            Quote: maidan.izrailovich
            In 1945, Stalin could not afford it. If we had begun to blame everyone and everything on the 45th, the UN would not have appeared. Yes, and Nuremberg most likely would not be.

            The League of Nations was before WWII, so the UN was inevitable. And the beaten Poland didn’t have any influence whatsoever.
            Like Nuremberg, it is inevitable: without it, the peoples would not have understood the victors.
            Quote: maidan.izrailovich
            And Stalin sacrificed fair accusations (only Germany was condemned) in favor of the UN.

            There was no such thing: mention these words of Stalin. Stalin grew up ALLIES, endowing them with land, people, money, forgiving reparations, forgetting their CRIMES against us in the Second World War.
            But in fact, he raised enemies and, for our own account. And they still blame us today ....

            And these Hungarians, Romanians, and Slovaks should still live in rags and pay off for perfect in our Great Patriotic War! Their crimes are unheard of!
      3. +2
        2 January 2020 13: 02
        I can not judge the proportion of corrupt deputies in the current State Duma. But something tells me that with its aggressive behavior towards Russia, the West will achieve that people with tougher anti-Western views will come to power in our country. It is worth noting that in the reaction of European politicians there is nothing but emotions. Not backing up words with documents. Therefore, in addition to the article that Putin promised, we need serious dock films in all European languages ​​that demonstrate and explain these documents.
        1. +1
          3 January 2020 05: 35
          ... we need serious dock films in all European languages ​​that demonstrate and explain these documents.

          These documents themselves must be replicated (digital copies) and distributed around the world. Let the whole world get acquainted. And accompany them with your comments and explanations.
          1. +1
            3 January 2020 12: 02
            Documents are sometimes a very boring thing. They must be able to interpret. Therefore, for the general reader / viewer it is necessary to prepare and explain them accordingly. Otherwise, it will be a profanation of an idea, not a job.
            1. 0
              3 January 2020 15: 05
              I must say that I happened to see photocopies of the non-aggression treaty of 1939 and saw the reaction of ordinary, inexperienced people. I agree about the interpretation, not everyone will understand, but I think that the public announcement of the Pilsudski-Hitler treaty will make a splash - especially the 7th (if my memory serves me right) paragraph on the provision of a corridor for the passage of German troops in the north-east direction.
        2. 0
          3 January 2020 11: 58
          Yes, there are no articles here either, there is enough Wiki and enough to open the site. The partition of Czechoslovakia and the signing on September 23 of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact; this is not yet a world war, but here is its beginning:
          September 01, 19139 German invasion of Poland;
          September 03 declaration of war by Great Britain and France - Germany;
          September 16, the transfer of the Polish government to Romania;
          September 17, USSR invasion of Poland.
          Where is the declaration of war by the Soviet Union? The signing of a non-aggression pact is not a declaration of war.
      4. 0
        3 January 2020 15: 48
        Here, either Putin is lying, or he was lying to your Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR, which the Pact condemned. - Here the statements of silly Putin are not enough, it is necessary to cancel the decisions of the USSR Congress, then it will all be official - this will be the official position of Russia and, possibly, other Eurasians, but such a position will only contribute to further isolation of Russia, like no other before. Putin will not do this, although, of course, everything is possible in the country relatively recently joined European science and education, including logic ........
    2. +7
      2 January 2020 08: 06
      Representatives of the Jewish community recalled that Poland supported the emigration of 10 percent of its Jewish population, but did so in part in cooperation with the Zionist movement (an ideological concept whose main idea is to unite and revive the Jewish people in their historical homeland (i.e., Israel), which she secretly provided military support, while in 1938, when the Third Reich expelled thousands of Polish Jews, Polish diplomats, including PERSONAL Lipski, supported them.
      “It is extremely irresponsible to accuse him of anti-Semitism based on a single sentence taken out of context,” they explained. putina-o-posle-antisemite /? utm_source = news_)
      In general, if it were not for World War II Jews NEVER emigrated to Palestine, there would most likely have been no Israel.
      1. -3
        2 January 2020 08: 34
        In fact, it would be worth reminding the Poles that the WWII war began with the Polish provocation when the Poles attacked the German town of Gleivice. Having robbed a local bank of a jewelry shop and rich Germans, the Poles hid in Poland.
        In the spring of 1939, the Poles mobilized completely and prepared to capture Berlin and destroy the Germans as a nation. It is worth reading that the Poles wrote about the future war. The Poles did not hesitate even in the press to discuss provocations both in Germany itself and in Prussia.
        By the way, the Poles on the first day of WWII began to destroy the German population in towns on the territory of Poland. Goebels promised the Polish government a lot of things for the atrocities against the Germans.
        That's why the Polish rulers fled, very scared.
        1. +9
          2 January 2020 10: 32
          "Actually, it would be worth reminding the Poles that the WWII war began with a Polish provocation, when the Poles attacked the German town of Gleiwitz."
          Is this a banter? Joke?
          Or the New Year’s celebration dragged on? With profuse libations?
          You at least OUR open the official history of World War II. Check out the docs. The opinions and evidence of our professors and historians.
          There really was a provocation in Gleivitz. But it was by no means made by the Poles.
        2. 0
          2 January 2020 18: 28
          unconscious
          As recently as last year, on the same site there was an article about HOW exactly the Poles planned the provocations in Prussia and in Germany itself and complained about the failures with the provocations only because of the small funding.
          In addition, it is worth reading what the British published on behalf of Shelenberg.
          And the fact that in Russia there were and are all kinds of liars are not surprising, they have been fed for years in Europe. Look at the TV, there they are not shy to work out who * a jar of jam with a packet of cookies * who are different almost academic titles.
          Nevertheless, it is worth reading the Polish sources on this topic, and not the interpretation.
          Still astonishing is the blindness * of some * for those who have * the whole world * these are Europe and the USA in addition. A third of the WORLD are Chinese, who even with * their cockroaches in their head * but know HOW and WHERE WWII exactly began and ended. But there are still such countries as India, Indonesia, for which WWII has gone differently but also. And there they don’t believe either the English with the French, or the Americans with the Japanese, they * had the opportunity * to make sure of their official lies not only about WWII
      2. +2
        2 January 2020 08: 51
        Quote: knn54
        Representatives of the Jewish community recalled that Poland supported the emigration of 10 percent of its Jewish population, but did so in part in cooperation with the Zionist movement (an ideological concept whose main idea is to unite and revive the Jewish people in their historical homeland (i.e., Israel), which she secretly provided military support, while in 1938, when the Third Reich expelled thousands of Polish Jews, Polish diplomats, including PERSONAL Lipski, supported them.
        “It is extremely irresponsible to accuse him of anti-Semitism based on a single sentence taken out of context,” they explained. putina-o-posle-antisemite /? utm_source = news_)
        In general, if it were not for World War II Jews NEVER emigrated to Palestine, there would most likely have been no Israel.

        Most likely would be, but later. As a result of WWII, Great Britain did not have any money left to maintain the colonies, so it dumped India and Palestine.
        1. dSK
          +4
          2 January 2020 11: 17
          Quote: Krasnodar
          As a result of WWII, Great Britain did not have any money left to maintain the colonies, so it dumped India and Palestine.

          Since when did The Great Britons become a "charitable foundation"? They robbed half of the world, and then they diminished their appetite for fry.
          1. +2
            2 January 2020 11: 40
            They were not a charitable foundation - just the war ruined them))
            1. dSK
              +1
              2 January 2020 11: 47
              And even more the Second World "ravaged" the States.
              1. +2
                2 January 2020 12: 06
                As for the British, French and Germans - everything according to Marshall’s plan was received approximately. the same amounts from the States - the British, the EMNIP, a little more than the Germans and the French, and Germany was bombed into a dupel, unlike France. But the Germans were more intelligent. Therefore, now they are the first economy in Europe and the 4th world, and the French were always ahead of Israel by the ever-warring Israel, standing in the desert without oil and Slovenia - which was the former Yugoslavia)). Much depends on the mentality .. And the political system - the South Koreans also overtook France, and their northern brothers live like that.
                1. +1
                  2 January 2020 12: 22
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  But the Germans were more intelligent. Therefore, now they are the first economy in Europe and the 4th world, and the French were always ahead of Israel by the ever-warring Israel, standing in the desert without oil and Slovenia - which is the former Yugoslavia

                  At the end of 2018, France is the sixth economy in the world, and Germany is the fifth.
                  At the same time, the average Frenchman is richer than the average German by 108,0%. Those. Germany takes by population, not quality.
                  The average Briton is even richer than the average Germans by 150,9%.
                  And even the average Italian is 100,5% of the average German.
                  Therefore, rumors about some kind of phenomenal interpretation of the Germans, they are greatly exaggerated.
                  Israel 20th economy of the world (Russia 21st). Its volume is 16,5% of the French volume. But the efficiency of the Israeli economy is extremely high - the average Israeli “costs” as much as 1,282 French. And like 0,918 Britons.
                  Rumors of "ever-warring Israel" are greatly exaggerated. Israel has never fought with anyone. There is no one to simply fight with. And all Israel's "wars" are nothing more than clashes and clashes with neighbors.
                  Slovenia is the 47th economy in the world (0,85% of the French). The average Slovene "stands" 26,6% of the level of the average Frenchman.
                  1. +5
                    2 January 2020 14: 14
                    In order:
                    1) faculty
                    2) Germany - 83 million, France - 65 - but received the same or slightly more dough from amers at the end of the war
                    3) Economics for 2018 - Germany 4th, 5-shrit, 6th French. By GDP, IMF data. Britons have a population of 66 million
                    4) He lived in Germany - sensible. But he was disappointed in their ability to work - that is, they do not do more of their direct work duties. From their secondary responsibilities otmazyvayutsya, as Russian did not dream))
                    5) Russia by GDP - 12 world economy
                    Israel 32nd.
                    6) Slovenia - 80 world economy
                    7) If the GDP per capita is the same other figures.
                    8) In Israel - the skirmishes between the wars are constant, Wars - yes, short battles - 73 - for example - 3600 Arab tanks, 400, EMNIP - combat aircraft, against 1700 and 350 among the Israelis, respectively.
                    It ended quickly - 16 days, in my opinion. True, after this, the Americans developed a system of mobile defense, and the USSR - a new concept of attack, and also began to develop a combat helicopter
                    So bullshit these wars))
                    And after them (67-73) - yes, again constant skirmishes
                    1. -2
                      2 January 2020 15: 06
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      1) faculty

                      This is straight to the psychiatrist.
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      Germany - 83 million, France - 65 - but received the same or slightly more dough from amers at the end of the war

                      Since when has the “livestock population” become an indicator of success on your collective farm?
                      Maybe you are not in the know, but France and Germany are CAPITALIST states. In countries of this type, other indicators of success.
                      And in relict societies, yes, success is measured by "livestock". And also its weight gain, because there is nothing special to eat in relict societies.
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      By GDP, IMF data.

                      GDP is a fairy tale for suckers. Type of you. People who understand the economy do not use this indicator. More precisely, they use it, but very secondary.
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      He lived in Germany - sensible

                      And the Chinese are not fools either. But the poor (regarding the Germans, of course).
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      Russia by GDP

                      Once again, GDP is an uninteresting economic indicator. It is untwisted for suckers.
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      6) Slovenia - 80 world economy

                      47-я.
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      for example - 3600 arab tanks

                      Cool, as it were. But the weakness is in the term "Arab".
                      =
                      My advice to you, do not write anything about the economy. You do not understand anything at all.
                      The term GDP means PRODUCTION of a product broken down by countries of the world. But he ABSOLUTELY does not show the CONSUMPTION of this product by the countries of the world. In fact, the CONSUMPTION of this product only matters. Since countries first world actively invest loot and PRODUCE the product in countries third worldand then take the return on investment home. What the GDP (production) indicator does not take into account at all. Attributing the entire GDP to producing countries.
                      Therefore, the CONSUMPTION of third world countries, as a rule, is overstated. And the countries of the first world are underestimated. From this, suckers from third world countries feel easy and calm. And they can continue to be quietly milked further.
                      But the GDP can no longer cope with the layout of suckers. Then the cunning capitalists came up with a PPP GDP indicator. This indicator paints an even more gracious picture in third world countries. And while it allows you to keep suckers from these countries in check.
                      No, do not write about the economy. This is not yours.
                      Just for your reference, the USA is 99,3 times richer than the Russian Federation, and the average Amer is 44,3 times richer than the average Russian. These are the pies. And you say GDP ....
                      To write about Israel?
                      1. +4
                        2 January 2020 17: 18
                        1) Life in London is twice as expensive as Berlin, life in Slovenia is cheaper than in Schweinfurt. Therefore, compare your 150 and 0,8 with purchasing power. That is, a Berliner with 1000 euros in his pocket will allow himself more than a Londoner with 1500, and a Slovenian with 800 euros more than a Berliner with 1000
                        2) I just confirmed your words that Germany has more people, therefore more economy. But - Franks with Britons with a smaller population received more of Germany according to the Marshall plan. EMNIP.
                        3) And what indicator, Mr. Adam Smith, do you use?
                        4) I did not live in China
                        5) So what about the tough Chicago guys, Milton?
                        6) 47 - by what indicator?
                        7) Have you had any personal experience in fighting with Arabs? )) I had a little - nothing good and easy and pleasant, I tell you)))))))
                        8) Richer by what indicator?
                        9) Write about Israel - I lived there for 25 years, nostalgic ...))
                      2. +1
                        2 January 2020 18: 35
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Life in London is twice as expensive as Berlin

                        It doesn’t matter at all.
                        And even more so, when considering GDP.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        3) And what indicator, Mr. Adam Smith, do you use?

                        NFA score. Read about it, it can be found on the Internet.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        6) 47 - by what indicator?

                        According to the total accumulated wealth. Simply put, at the "cost of the country" with all its guts.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        8) Richer by what indicator?

                        At total cost.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        9) Write about Israel - I lived there for 25 years, nostalgic ...))

                        Israel is the 20th world economy. 0,345% of the global volume.
                        Israel is among the so-called. "countries of the golden billion" (there were 2018 of them in 22). Among the countries of the golden billion, Israel belongs to the countries with a "rich" population (there are 12 of them in the world). The skeleton of the EU (Germany-France-Italy) refers only to countries with a "wealthy" population.
                        The average Israeli in the world ranking of "value" is in 13th place (12th place in the UK). His well-being is 313,7% of the world average, which is an excellent indicator.
                        What else?
                        In the ranking of "cash cows" (the whole world except the United States, and recently also Japan and Taiwan, these are "cash cows"), Israel is at the very bottom of the list. Those. Israel is also milked, but not very hard.
                      3. +4
                        3 January 2020 03: 33
                        1) Why - PPP GDP
                        The sense of the Englishman’s beautiful salary, if the goods cost more than the German, whose income is more modest, but the prices are even lower?
                        2) FANFA is a net investment in non-current assets. In my opinion, a very subjective indicator. If it’s not difficult for you, explain why it determines something in macroeconomics.
                        3) The cost of the country is also ephemeral. Let's compare the country with any business. Vasya has an oil rig. Tower cost - oil income for the n-period (the number is not constant) + equipment cost - depreciation - current fixed costs. Rough. Petya is an importer of expensive drilling equipment, say. His income over the past 10 years exceeds Vasin at times. Minority expenses - rented office, salary and social workers. But. The second business without Petit is worthless.
                        Israel is worthless without Jews. Transfer this property to the Arabs tomorrow - everything will fall significantly. (Except for gas production platforms, into which Gazprom or some Shell will be immediately launched) Remove Protestants from Slovenia - soon all indicators will be Montenegrin or Serbian, the cost is appropriate. Etc.
                        4) Is the total cost objective?
                        5) Interesting. If it does not, please discard the links
                        on cost rating
                        It is possible in English
                      4. +1
                        3 January 2020 11: 05
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Why - PPP GDP

                        Once again, figure out what GDP is.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        NFAs are net investments in non-current assets.

                        NFA - net financial assets.
                        Net balance in Russian. The excess of ALL assets over ALL liabilities (if with a plus).
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        The value of the country is also ephemeral.

                        The cost of the country is an absolutely accurate financial indicator at any given time. Consists of many components.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        His income over the past 10 years exceeds Vasin at times.

                        You are less interested in income (GDP). End result (NFA) is important.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        everything will fall at times.

                        When it falls, they will count and fix it. In the meantime, fix another.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Israel is worthless without Jews. Transfer this property to Arabs tomorrow

                        These are emotions. In the language of numbers, emotions are inappropriate.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        4) Is the total cost objective?

                        Of course. It is done at a certain point in time. Usually on the border of the year. And usually at the end of next year. They consider it long enough.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        If it does not, please discard the links
                        on cost rating

                        I get this information on a paid subscription.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        It is possible in English

                        I have never met in Russian. And in Russia there are no organizations of such a scale to carry out this assessment.
                      5. +3
                        3 January 2020 11: 45
                        1) acceptable
                        2) Ok, the question is - at what price is the assessment - exchange, if you sell, if you buy, etc. Say - if I sell 7000 g of agricultural farm in the Krasnodar Territory with infrastructure - nominally costs 2 billion rubles (plus equipment). Provided that they want to buy it. If I want to sell, then I’m unlikely to get it together with equipment for 1.4 billion ₽.
                        That is, the question is the objectivity of the assessment.
                        3) Can you list the three main ones?
                        4) I agree
                        5) No way)). Gas platforms - yes, their cost will remain the same - the Russian government, the Norwegian, say, the manager with engineers and Arabs-workers. The rest is real estate in Tel Aviv with an average cost of USD 1,250 thousand per apartment will drop to 400 within two years, high-tech production will simply get up, start ups will fly by, etc.
                        It’s like Petit’s business, which without Petit will not work.
                        6) Possible
                        7) approx. Paid subscription in which Internet resource?
                      6. +1
                        3 January 2020 11: 59
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        That is, the question is the objectivity of the assessment.

                        I don’t know such details. I think there is some approved methodology. But since I do not think so, I do not know her in detail.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        3) Can you list the three main ones?

                        What are the "three main"?
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        real estate in Tel Aviv with an average cost of USD 1,250 thousand per apartment will drop to 400 within two years, high-tech production will simply get up, start ups fly by, etc.

                        I already wrote to you, it will fall, they will calculate and fix it. In the meantime, they consider it as it is.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Paid subscription in which Internet resource?

                        This is not an online resource. This is a large international financial organization. I do not think that they will talk with an individual. And not with any legal either.
                      7. +3
                        3 January 2020 14: 38
                        Three components of a country's value
                        If you consider it as it is, I agree
                        I am a lawyer, depends on the cost that I am willing to pay laughing
                  2. -1
                    3 January 2020 16: 28
                    We remove US support - financial, military, and the state of Israel ceases to exist - it is so effective
        2. +1
          2 January 2020 13: 09
          As a result of WWII, Great Britain did not have any money left to maintain the colonies, so it dumped India and Palestine.

          Is it such a New Year’s humor?
          Money is always pulled from colonies, but not contained. Colonies are always donors, not parasites.
          1. +3
            2 January 2020 14: 19
            So what did the British pull from Palestine? )))
            For instance. Sand? Camels?
            It’s like - I don’t have money to maintain a business.
            - You're a fool? Business to make money!
            - Yes, but the money spent on - - -, so there is no return capital
            - Yes, you drive ... take an advance payment
            - But now nobody buys my product, crisis
            - But business should bring grandmas, not vice versa laughing
            A colony is the same business. There are no attendants for the upkeep of the army and the transfer of additional troops - unrest begins, the efficiency of production drops, you cannot fix it, etc.
      3. -23
        2 January 2020 09: 33
        Quote: knn54
        In general, if it were not for World War II Jews NEVER emigrated to Palestine, there would most likely have been no Israel.

        Definitely. The Zionist movement arose only after the war, before the war there were no Jews in Palestine, half a million Jews are tourists. Ben-Gurion was introduced after the war, and Hebrew began to be studied even later.

        Why are you indulging with a fan?

        PS
        Poland was snooping, but this does not negate the fact that two friends, Hitler and Dzhugashvili unleashed World War II. I don’t want to remember the first one, but it’s worth remembering the second. The USSR attacked Poland from the east on September 17, September 22, 1939 in Brest held a joint parade of the Wehrmacht and the Red Army. September 28, the USSR and Germany signed an agreement on friendship and the border. Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia were "annexed" in 1940. Of course, these countries themselves tearfully asked to enter the prison of peoples and the USSR simply agreed to accept them. In 1939, Finland "attacked" the USSR and Dzhugashvili had to defend himself in response to the request of the puppet government created by him. However, a little blood did not work and he urgently forgot about this government and signed papers with the illegitimate government, agreeing only to a part of Finland. The 16th republic of the USSR did not work out. In June 40th Bessarabia was "voluntarily returned" to its native harbor. From November 12 to November 14, 1940, in Berlin, there were held between Ribbentrop and Molotov on the USSR's accession to the "Berlin Pact" (an agreement on "friendship and delimitation of spheres of influence" between Hitlerite Germany, fascist Italy and Japan "). Further plans for dividing the world between friends were discussed. We decided to divide not only Europe, but also Asia. Of course, for the good of Iran and India themselves, as well as other British colonies. We didn’t agree.

        And do not let the facts confuse you.
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        2. +16
          2 January 2020 10: 25
          Poland was snooping, but this does not negate the fact that two friends, Hitler and Dzhugashvili unleashed World War II.

          "Professor", your real name, by any chance, is not Latynina from "Echo of Moscow"? Well, just reproduce her nonsense word for word!
          1. dSK
            +9
            2 January 2020 11: 12
            Quote: PavelM
            Latynina from "Echo of Moscow

            This is his "spiritual" daughter.
        3. +13
          2 January 2020 11: 14
          Quote: professor
          Hitler and Dzhugashvili unleashed the Second World War.

          Hmm, but paranoia then progresses. Why did you re-read Rezun that brains have turned into a mincemeat?
          The facts that the Soviet Union unleashed the Navy in the studio! And by the way, the Hammer-Rebbentrop Pact is not a fact of unleashing the Navy.
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            1. +6
              2 January 2020 11: 57
              Quote: Tuk77
              And what facts will suit you and your studio?

              Dear, what was signed there and under what sauce and for what, these are not facts of unleashing WWII, from the word at all. The USSR was not an ally of fascist Germany at the time of the outbreak of WWII.
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                1. +4
                  2 January 2020 16: 10
                  Quote: Tuk77
                  So the United States was not an ally of fascist Germany at the time of the outbreak of WWII.

                  But they didn’t support it with money. Fuel and lubricants then where did the Wehrmacht get from?
                  Quote: Tuk77
                  Finally, not one of the above states began almost simultaneously with Hitler the annexation of Poland.

                  Dear, do not pull the owl on the globe, her eyes are already big. The entry of Soviet troops into Poland was an FORCED measure in order to avert the threat from Leningrad, Minsk and so on ... by the way, the Poles very explicitly wanted to bite a piece from the USSR with their territorial claims and behaved like women with low social responsibility, for which paid.
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                    1. +4
                      2 January 2020 16: 45
                      Quote: Tuk77
                      And the 40th. And part of the 41st. From the Soviet Union. Which, allegedly, was not an ally of Germany.

                      Che for the delirium of a drunken mare? Show me the agreement, where it was written in black and white that the USSR is an ally of fascist Germany. Hotzado juggle the facts, dear, languidly silent about some of them, operating on others that are beneficial to you.
                      Quote: Tuk77
                      Well, yes, and with Finland it was a necessary measure ...

                      Uti ways ... again your cunning in all its glory ... and so we look ..
                      Its reason was the desire of the Soviet leadership to push the Finnish border from Leningrad (now St. Petersburg) in order to strengthen the security of the northwestern borders of the USSR, and the Finnish side refused to do so. The Soviet government requested that parts of the Hanko peninsula and some islands in the Gulf of Finland be leased in exchange for a large Soviet territory in Karelia, followed by the conclusion of a mutual assistance agreement.

                      So do not wishful thinking. The Finns were offered an honest exchange, from which they would even be in the black.
                    2. +1
                      2 January 2020 19: 11
                      Quote: Tuk77
                      But seriously - no motives, no reasons in court are not taken into account. The judge is only interested in the fact of the crime - either it was, or it was not. Was there a murder? Was there a rape? Was there a robbery? Was there a gangster raid?
                      Why this happened does not interest anyone. Reason justifies no one.

                      Only in court does another question arise - next to the murdered man are two gendarmes (England and France) who have already tried to arrest / fill the face of the killer (Germany), but at the same time do not show any claims of the USSR?
            2. -2
              2 January 2020 12: 53
              Aren't you funny yourself?
        4. +5
          2 January 2020 11: 39
          Then Norway must lay claim for the German occupation of both England and the United States.
        5. +18
          2 January 2020 12: 02
          Quote: professor
          friendship and border treaty

          why did they start in 1939?
          Are your friends pure and pure? Stalin did the same.
          1. 1933 year. Pact of Four (Italy, Germany, England, France).
          The Pact of Four was an attempt to contrast the League of Nations with the “directory” of the four great powers, which sought to subjugate all of Europe to their hegemony. Ignoring the Soviet Union, the four powers tried to pursue a policy of isolating it, while at the same time eliminating other European states from participating in European affairs.
          The "Pact of Four" meant "a conspiracy of the British and French governments with German and Italian fascism, which did not even then hide its aggressive intentions. At the same time, this pact with the fascist states meant abandoning the policy of strengthening the united front of the peace-loving powers against aggressive states"
          It was tacitly assumed that some Versailles borders will also be revised (between Germany and Poland and between Hungary and its neighbors).


          2. 1934 year. Pilsudski-Hitler Pact (Germany, Poland).
          Non-aggression pact between Germany and Poland. It was supplemented bya reservation on trade and shipping, separate agreements on issues of the press, cinema, broadcasting, theater and more
          It was envisaged that the pact would remain in force even if one of the contracting parties entered the war with third states.
          According to the pact, Poland took upon itself the obligation to pursue a continuous policy of effective cooperation with fascist Germany (Article 1). In addition, the Polish leadership guaranteed the Third Reich not to make any decisions without the consent of the German government, and also to observe in all circumstances the interests of the fascist regime (Article 2).
          The Polish government ensured the free passage of German troops through its territory if these troops were called upon to repulse a provocation from the east or northeast (Article 3). In fact, this meant the Poles opened the way for the outbreak of German aggression against Ukraine (USSR) and Belarus (BSSR), as well as Lithuania.
          The payment for this aiding was the establishment of the so-called a new eastern border of Poland at the expense of a part of the Belarusian, Ukrainian and Lithuanian lands, which Berlin promised to guarantee "by all means."

          3. 1935 year. Anglo-German Maritime Agreement.
          The British government upheld Hitler's demand that "the power of the German fleet be 35% in relation to the combined power of the British Empire." The proportion of 35: 100 was to be applied both to the total tonnage of the fleet, and to each class of ships.
          With regard to submarine forces, Germany gained the right to equality with Britain, but pledged not to exceed 45% of the tonnage of British submarine forces. It was envisaged that in case of violation of this limit, Germany would inform the British government.
          In fact, the Germans were given the opportunity to build 5 battleships, two aircraft carriers, the 21 cruiser and the 64 destroyer.
          The result of the agreement was the final elimination of all restrictions of the Treaty of Versailles. According to the permitted tonnage of the fleet, Germany was equalized with France and Italy - the victorious powers in the First World War.
          I guess. what do you think is humanitarian aid to starving german children laughing
          And finally
          4. 1938 year. Munich conspiracy (England, France, Germany, Italy).
          The agreement concerned the transfer by Czechoslovakia of Germany to the Sudetenland.
        6. +6
          2 January 2020 12: 28
          Quote: professor
          but this does not negate the fact that two friends, Hitler and Dzhugashvili unleashed World War II.

          You stop raving already.
          According to OFFICIAL (but ridiculous) data, WWII began on September 2, 01.09.1939.
          According to UNOFFICIAL (but reasonable) data, WWII began on September 2, 03.09.1939.
          The USSR attacked Poland on 17.09.1939/2/XNUMX. When, in any way, XNUMXMV was already on.
          How could he unleash this war if he attacked Poland LATER than the start of 2MB?
        7. +4
          2 January 2020 12: 49
          And these are non-humans like you, and rewrite history. The main word "Discussed" is not a fact, you can prove your vyser, interfere with the law and lies, it seems as if the truth, but you young Natsik believe. Ugh on you and those who raised you.
        8. +3
          2 January 2020 13: 14
          Definitely. The Zionist movement arose only after the war, before the war there were no Jews in Palestine

          What are you))))
          Maybe you should read the founding fathers of Israel? And most importantly - about the "dry branches of Israel"?
          1. +5
            2 January 2020 16: 11
            Quote: lucul
            Maybe you should read the founding fathers of Israel? And most importantly - about the "dry branches of Israel"?

            Well, about the fact, thanks to whom Israel in general is on the world map, Professor no gu gu. They are very eager not to remember this.
        9. -1
          2 January 2020 16: 09
          CAPSOM is still CAPSOM. And that is not convincing enough. laughing Professor, let’s you turn off the mode of the offended undervalued emigrant and try to turn on objectivity. Do not write such crap anymore.
        10. +5
          2 January 2020 19: 05
          it’s quite enough for us that England and France NOT considered us an aggressor towards Poland and NOT announced the US war - as did it in relation to the Reich ....
          In their opinion, we are in Poland didn't attack.
        11. -1
          3 January 2020 01: 42
          it was not a parade but a transfer of the city ... I didn’t read further, because after that the fat is once again clear that the level of your knowledge obviously does not allow you to seriously and thoroughly discuss historical topics. only to you about it or no one had said before, or you do not believe it yourself ...
        12. 0
          3 January 2020 05: 56
          .... half a million Jews are tourists. Ben-Gurion was brought after the war ....

          Ben-Gurion really brought. But before WWII ... and even before WWII.
          David Ben-Gurion (Hebrew דוד בן-גוריון; née David Yosef Green (Yiddish דוד יוסף גרין); October 16, 1886, Plonsk, Russian empire.
          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Бен-Гурион,_Давид
          September 7, 1906 David Green on a Russian ship arrives in Palestine, at the port of Jaffa. Together with him, a group of his friends-planters arrives in Palestine, among which was his love, Rachel Nelkina. Well, if not tourists, then labor migrants for sure.
        13. +3
          3 January 2020 12: 31
          Now we’ll unravel it. Non-aggression treaties:
          26.01.1934/XNUMX/XNUMX - Pilsudski-Hitler Pact, Polish-German Agreement, Berlin.
          25.11.1936/30.09.1938/XNUMX - Japan-Germany Anti-Comintern Pact Agreement, Berlin. Further, Italy, Hungary, Finland, Romania, Bulgaria, Denmark, Croatia, Slovakia joined this pact. XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX - Munich Agreement Germany - Great Britain, France, Italy, Munich.
          30.09.1938/XNUMX/XNUMX - Chamberlain-Hitler Pact, Anglo-German Agreement, Munich.
          06.12.1938/XNUMX/XNUMX - Bonn-Ribbentrop Pact, Franco-German Agreement, Paris.
          15.04.1939/XNUMX/XNUMX - Anglo-German agreement, Dusseldorf.
          23.08.1939/XNUMX/XNUMX - Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, Soviet-German agreement, Moscow.
          And now:
          September 1, 1939 German invasion of Poland;
          September 3, 1939 declaration of war by Germany by Great Britain and France;
          September 16, 1939 the Polish military command left Poland, fleeing to Romania;
          On September 17, 1939, the USSR invasion of Poland and the establishment of the USSR border along the Curzon line - the border previously recommended by England in 1919. In addition, I propose to take a compass and see how much km the USSR pushed the border from Moscow in 1939 and how many kilometers remained for the Germans to Moscow in 1941.

          I’m not a fan of Dzhugashvili, but the facts ... I’m just pasting these dates in carbon copy. Do not you consider the date of signing non-aggression treaties as the dates of declaration of war?
      4. +6
        2 January 2020 16: 58
        That’s an ambush .. It used to be necessary to open the files of old newspapers, look for books, but now a couple of mouse clicks and voila is enough .. In Poland there was the largest Jewish community exceeding 3.5 million people. During the Holocaust, 2.8 million were destroyed. Few of those forced to flee survived. One can give an example of the fate of those who did not have time. The town of Jedwabne, before the war, 1.600 Jews lived there, which was half of its population. On June 23, 41 German troops entered the city, and 25 Poles began Jewish pogroms. They killed their neighbors with axes, pierced them with pitchforks, cut off their tongues, gouged out their eyes, chopped off their heads, drowned them in a pond ... Type the article "The Expulsion of Jews from Poland: XX Century". And after that, to argue about something, the height of cynicism. It remains to be hoped that the memory of most of the Jews is not so short, as it is known that "forgetting the memory threatens to repeat it."
        1. +2
          2 January 2020 17: 06
          Not true. Oblivion of the past threatens with its repetition.
    3. +8
      2 January 2020 10: 01
      Quote: Michael55
      Where are our modern Kukryniksy? When will we take the offensive against our "partners"?

      You can click on their noses without Kukryniksy, relying, so to speak, on the "non-profitable" sources available in the country, which is implanting democracy with fire and sword. Poles believe them more. Here, let them admire
    4. +8
      2 January 2020 10: 40
      The whole West needs to be reminded that on January 26, 1934, a declaration was signed on the non-use of force between Germany and Poland. Thanks to this pact, Hitler was able to secure the East and begin to act in the West (Saar, Rhine). In March 1935, Germany ceased to comply with the military articles of the Versailles Peace Treaty, universal military service was introduced in the country and the army was rearmament (the West was to blame for this omission, they allowed Germany to rearm, and thereby tacitly signed the inevitable war).
      At one in the morning on September 30, 1938, the heads of England, France, Germany and Italy signed the Munich Agreement. A little later, the Anglo-German declaration of non-aggression will be agreed, and on December 6, 1938, the Franco-German declaration. In 1939, England and France rejected the collective security system proposed by the Soviet Union in Europe. Under the current conditions, the USSR, remaining in political isolation, was forced on August 23, 1939 to conclude a non-aggression treaty with Germany (this was done, in the first place, to delay the war, which was inevitable). Molotov Pact, this is a consequence i.e. due to the omission of the West to prevent the growing power of Germany, the West was initially to blame
      1. dSK
        +4
        2 January 2020 11: 25
        Vladimir Vladimirovich did not have time to continue the "lecture" - what Poland received after the victory over Nazi Germany:
        By the decision of the Berlin Conference of 1945, the western border of Poland was established along the rivers Oder (Oder) and Nysa-Luzhicka (Neisse), two-thirds of the territory of East Prussia went to Poland. As a result of the conclusion of the Soviet-Polish agreement on the border, the Bialystok region (from the BSSR) and the city of Przemysl (from the Ukrainian SSR) departed to Poland. Poland returned Czechoslovakia to the Tieszyn region, captured in 1938. (wikipedia).
        1. +3
          2 January 2020 13: 24
          Quote from dsk
          Vladimir Vladimirovich did not have time to continue the "lecture" - what Poland received after the victory over Nazi Germany:

          And if GDP reads out the secret archives of those years, then the FACT of financing Hitler’s company by the American elites will probably be revealed, which is indirectly confirmed by the fact that half of the Wehrmacht and the SS after the war miraculously moved to the United States. Hoover is the same nifiga not white and fluffy zayas.
    5. +11
      2 January 2020 11: 29
      One of the cornerstones in the foundation of capitalism is an extremely narrow and not deep education for the bulk - producers of surplus value do not need unnecessary knowledge in history, philosophy and other unnecessary objects - it should work, not reason! Therefore, in Russia, the first thing the young reformers started with was that they began to destroy precisely the generally accessible fundamental school of the USSR! In the West, this model works smoothly, so it’s really hard to convince Western society of the historical truth! Firstly, they are not particularly interested in it, and secondly, every Western student knows for sure that it was the Americans who defeated Hitler and Stalin, who treacherously attacked Poland and Singapore in 1812, the USSR dropped nuclear bombs on Japanese cities, and they rescued Private Rain by sticking a star-striped flag on Iwo Jima ... laughing
      1. +2
        3 January 2020 01: 43
        Well, you’re digging at the full bayonet ...)
    6. -1
      2 January 2020 12: 04
      Quote: Michael55
      When will we get rid of our powerful traitors?

      And who is it?
  2. +21
    2 January 2020 06: 11
    “Dear Mr. Putin, Hitler and Stalin collaborated at the beginning of World War II. It is a fact. Poland was the victim of this terrible conflict, ”wrote earlier Georgetta Mosbacher, US ambassador to Poland.
    Georgette, you'd better work. to find out how many American campaigns Hitler helped, a stupid female, but all of America and Europe worked for Adika, only after seeing a fracture, they cringed, a profit to fuck ... Kazly ...
    1. +9
      2 January 2020 07: 53
      Quote: Aerodrome
      Georgette, dumb femaleI’d better work. to find out how many American campaigns helped Hitler, yes, all of America and Europe worked for Adik, only when they saw a fracture, they cringed, to have a profit ... Kazly ...

      And yet Georgetta Masbacher is not a "stupid female", but a venal one. In other words, she is an American corrupt careerist business woman in politics, who, in order to take the place of the US ambassador to Poland, simply "changed her shoes" on the fly. Namely.

      Prior to her appointment as US Ambassador to Poland Mosbacher provoked controversy with her statement. [b] She SUPPOSED that Poland was responsible for the revival of anti-Semitism throughout the continent of Europe because of the law, which criminalizes Poland’s accusation of Nazi Germany’s actions on its territory during the Holocaust.

      However, despite this statement Masuacher Polish President Andrzej Duda - even before her appointment as the US Ambassador to Poland, he stated that if Mosbacher was appointed as the new US Ambassador to Poland, she would be accepted, despite the fact that she made “WRONG and ERROR” comments about the country.

      So in the statements of Georgette Mosbacher as an American official politician, there is a personal selling and CAREER political compromise, as well as a compromise between the two countries - the United States and Poland.

      Georgette Masbacher herself is already 72 years old. The appointment of the US Ambassador to Poland is her last chance in a political career, which she does not want to miss.
      1. +6
        2 January 2020 07: 56
        Quote: Tatiana
        And yet Georgette Masbacher is not a "stupid female", but a venal one.

        argue with the girl on January 2nd? not ... not mine! grandmother, of course, "carries" ... but young people there in the State Department burn! we remember the redhead ...hi
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        2. +7
          2 January 2020 08: 22
          Quote: Aerodrome
          grandmother, of course, "carries" ... but young people there in the State Department burn! we remember the redhead ...

          Well, so in the USA all Americans - all politicians and employees of the US State Department, etc. - all in one way or another, Democrats and Republicans, as they say, are oiled in one world!
          The difference between Democrats and Republicans is only that the Democrats more represent the interests of purely financial capital - the Rothschild clan; and Republicans - the interests of industrial and financial capital - the Rockefeller clan.
          It should be borne in mind that over the Rothschilds and Rockefellers there is an even more global structure with its own planned strategy of seizing power and establishing their own "world order".
          1. +3
            2 January 2020 16: 59
            Quote: Tatiana
            The difference between Democrats and Republicans is only that the Democrats more represent the interests of purely financial capital - the Rothschild clan; and Republicans - the interests of industrial and financial capital - the Rockefeller clan.

            Tatyana, my respect! love
            Example 1: A chair differs from a stool by the presence of a back.
            Example 2: Kutuzov looked through a telescope, then through binoculars and uttered: "I don't see the difference."
            wink
  3. +12
    2 January 2020 06: 11
    Well, what else could you expect from these European hyenas? Not repentance of the seizure of Vilnius, Teshinsky region and not the return of Germany lands cut by the good Stalin?
  4. +11
    2 January 2020 06: 13
    We must calmly continue to crush the Polish "history buffs", then maybe they will think before comparing everyone in a row with Hitler.
    1. +5
      2 January 2020 06: 26
      Quote: IGOR GORDEEV
      then maybe they will think before comparing everyone in a row with Hitler.

      Do you really believe that they scratch this from the weakness of the mind?
      1. +3
        2 January 2020 09: 14
        Quote: Qwertyarion
        Quote: IGOR GORDEEV
        then maybe they will think before comparing everyone in a row with Hitler.

        Do you really believe that they scratch this from the weakness of the mind?

        What makes you think that I think so? I explain: that henceforth all sorts of abominations should not be poured, it is necessary to give them publicly on the head with historical documents.
        1. +4
          2 January 2020 09: 43
          Quote: IGOR GORDEEV
          publicly give them the head with historical documents

          They are ready for this ...
          Well, after all, it is clear that they are faced with the task of leveling out the concepts of Stalin - Hitler.
          Then they will start erecting monuments to Hitler. At first, as an artist, "he painted something a little", and then as a chancellor.
          Further more....
          We must deal with this by all available means, but unfortunately we will not be able to affect it globally.
          NATO is not only expanding eastward, it is also like a cancerous tumor that affects the brains of people in the countries of its presence.
  5. +7
    2 January 2020 06: 16
    Well, the Poles started stirring ... they immediately remembered that they were injured ... and not guilty of anything ... he came ... and the Moscow agreement was condemned in the Kremlin just by the way. Reviewing the results of the Second World War in which he took part and today's regime in the Kremlin is yielding results. Let’s see who is the most july.
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      1. -1
        2 January 2020 08: 54
        Quote: Aerodrome
        dislikes his people. mildly speaking

        And he is not a woman to "love" him. You will not please everyone, even if you split up, there will still be dissatisfied, and Putin always chooses the best option, while maintaining STABILITY, in the state, which is the main thing. Money loves silence. Or do you want new upheavals, as under Gorbachev? Take a look at the neighboring "state".
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    2. +5
      2 January 2020 07: 21
      Quote: apro
      ... a review of the outcome of the Second World War in which he took part and the current regime in the Kremlin is yielding results ...

      But is Russia (the current regime in the Kremlin) also reviewing the outcome of the Second World War, or am I misunderstanding something?
      1. -2
        2 January 2020 07: 42
        Quote: AlexVas44
        But is Russia (the current regime in the Kremlin) also reviewing the outcome of the Second World War, or am I misunderstanding something?

        and what is not noticeable? Moscow treaty of 1939 as interpreted?
        1. +1
          2 January 2020 08: 45
          Quote: apro
          and what is not noticeable? Moscow treaty of 1939 as interpreted?

          Contract on my opinion, interpreted as in the text. That's why I asked.
  6. +9
    2 January 2020 06: 24
    Poland can twitch as you like, Putin is standing firmly on her tail, the Poles are worried, that’s good, they know whose meat they ate, sharamygs.
  7. +8
    2 January 2020 06: 40
    Why Poland is grumbling about the 39th, because in the 38th it, along with Germany, occupied Czechoslovakia. It is not customary to recall from them.
  8. +2
    2 January 2020 06: 52
    “The position of the federal government is clear: the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact served as preparation for the criminal invasion of Nazi Germany in Poland. Together with Germany, the USSR participated in this brutal division of Poland. ” laughing - Do you seriously consider everyone stubborn there? To whom information is needed. laughing
  9. +2
    2 January 2020 06: 53
    there is one more .. It seems that they were discussing here .. The pretext for the German attack on Poland was a provocation, as it were. So no one saw any documents and facts. There were only German confessions in Nuremberg under pressure from English judges in an English prison .. And if there are facts? or documents in a captured Polish archive? Or just transfer responsibility to Poland at the beginning of World War 2? if it was they the Poles who attacked the Germans? Farewell to all the goodies as the first victim? Hello to reparations as the culprit of World War II? .. laughing
  10. +2
    2 January 2020 06: 55
    The Poles were really preparing a serious action to revise the ideas about the beginning of WWII. Putin got ahead of them: "If a fight is inevitable, hit first." laughing
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  11. +6
    2 January 2020 07: 00
    Well, since so many squeals from Poland have gone, then they have stepped on the tail. Now we need to open the archives and show the whole truth. And do not dose.
  12. +4
    2 January 2020 07: 05
    Where is the memorial there, let's demolish it, or remove the guard, then the locals will take it apart
  13. +10
    2 January 2020 07: 25
    According to the journalist, West will not believethat Poland is also responsible "for the outbreak of World War II."

    Here she is the key phrase "the West will not believe." The journalist does not refute the facts. He is convinced that propaganda replaces history.
    1. +6
      2 January 2020 08: 42
      Quote: Amateur
      He is convinced that propaganda replaces history.

      And it works. A vivid example in Ukraine.
      1. +9
        2 January 2020 08: 52
        And it works

        Remember how in 1985-1992 we fiercely loved first Gorbachev, then Yeltsin, how we rejoiced when the monument to Dzerzhinsky was demolished, how worried about our "Heavenly Hundred"
        three defenders of the White House
        ... Does anyone remember their last names now? And how many% of the citizens of the former USSR are now spitting, remembering these years with the thought: "how cool they cheated us!"
        1. +2
          2 January 2020 09: 13
          Quote: Amateur
          Remember how in 1985-1992 we fiercely loved first Gorbachev, then Yeltsin,

          I remember myself voted for EBN ..... feel
  14. +10
    2 January 2020 07: 37
    “Without Stalin’s participation in the partition of Poland and without the natural resources that Stalin had provided to Hitler, the German criminal machine would not have been able to cope with Europe.

    Get fucked up, don't get up! This is the logic!

    But Pshek did not forget how his government, sitting in London, drew lands for themselves?
  15. +5
    2 January 2020 07: 37
    What a battle for history, what kind of nonsense. Everyone has their own version of the story. There is no common story. A striking example is Ukraine, where ukhistorians intensively compose a new thousand-year history, rooted in ancient Sumer. I don’t care what Ukrainians or Poles compose there. It is important for us that in our domestic history all sorts of Akunins and other liberal pseudo-histories did not multiply.
  16. +8
    2 January 2020 07: 40
    If Stalin is to blame. why then did the USA and England begin to ally with the USSR?

    This Putin has not yet raised documents on the genocide of Jews by the Poles.
  17. +14
    2 January 2020 07: 41
    There is one fact - Stalin never met Hitler, who was at a place of honor at the funeral of Pilsudski and the like

  18. +17
    2 January 2020 07: 48
    Pans forget how they tore apart Czechoslovakia with Hitler, how they destroyed their Jews together with the Germans, and after the war they themselves organized pogroms for them, for example, in Kielce, they were given the appropriate name "hyenas" they can only bite the weak and then only under the auspices of the strong, my grandmother in 1903 r, a native of Grodno, told me a lot about them.
    1. +4
      2 January 2020 08: 46
      Quote: Pessimist22
      how the Jew was destroyed along with the Germans and after the war they themselves carried out pogroms for example in Kielce,

      Before the war, the Jewish community in Poland was 600 people, after the war 000 people. But it is not clear that the rabbi of Warsaw and the chairman of Polish Jews defend the Poles and condemn Putin. I began to doubt whether there was even an Evian conference, and those cruelties on the part of the Germans towards these people.
      1. +6
        2 January 2020 09: 07
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Pessimist22
        how the Jew was destroyed along with the Germans and after the war they themselves carried out pogroms for example in Kielce,

        Before the war, the Jewish community in Poland was 600 people, after the war 000 people. But it is not clear that the rabbi of Warsaw and the chairman of Polish Jews defend the Poles and condemn Putin. I began to doubt whether there was even an Evian conference, and those cruelties on the part of the Germans towards these people.

        Before the war, the Polish Jewish community numbered 3300000. Three million were destroyed in the Holocaust. About 300 thousand survived, the bulk in the Soviet evacuation. Upon returning to Poland, about 15 thousand were killed, most of the rest fled to Palestine and the States. Some remained in the Union.
  19. +2
    2 January 2020 08: 07
    In short, prepare logs: they will beat, perhaps with their feet. :))
  20. +7
    2 January 2020 08: 09
    The Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact served as preparation for the criminal invasion of Nazi Germany in Poland.

    The war would have begun even without the conclusion of the "Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact", because the overseas and British bankers needed it, in their aspirations for world domination.
    This is on the one hand.
    On the other hand, a year earlier, Poland was pleased to participate in the partition of Czechoslovakia and in the Munich agreement, and before that they had entered into a similar pact with Nazi Germany.
    "With what measure you measure, the same is measured to you." (C) lol
    Maybe then it is historically more correct to start counting not the German attack on Poland, but the German and Polish attack on Czechoslovakia and the annexation of Austria as the beginning of WWII?
    The Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact only postponed Germany's attack on the USSR, but did not cancel it, as the Soviet Government would have liked. At least the time was "bought" for the initial rearmament of the Red Army with more modern weapons and military equipment, which undoubtedly became one of the "cornerstones" and made it possible to win.
    1. +2
      2 January 2020 08: 54
      Quote: K-50
      The war would have started without the conclusion of the "Ribbentrop-Molotov pact"

      The Second World War began in 1938, the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact was signed in 1939.
    2. -1
      3 January 2020 02: 55
      The Soviet "Kremlin elders" protected the post-war Polish allies in the CMEA and the Warsaw Pact from legitimate accusations of, jointly with Nazi Germany, Poland's war crimes in Europe and the Polish-German outbreak of World War II!
      Now we are "reaping the fruits" of this many decades of "Kremlin" kindness, after all, "not a single good deed goes unpunished," and especially if you are dealing with a vile and ungrateful "European hyena"!
      It is time for the Katyn anti-Soviet (and now anti-Russian!) German-Polish lie to finally figure out and put an end to the annual anti-Russian Polish coven near Smolensk!
  21. 0
    2 January 2020 08: 10
    Dull log, as always limited to the flow of water without any texture and references to real sources. Clown. laughing
  22. +3
    2 January 2020 08: 11
    Joseph Vissarionovich, in Warsaw, the Polish Nazis are fighting with the German! What we are going to do?

    - what to do, what to do ... we will watch. And who is winning?

    - German Nazis, of course!

    - Well, then we need to throw bullets at the Polish Nazis. "

    (historical joke). laughing
  23. +12
    2 January 2020 08: 14
    I have long suspected that much is hidden about the outbreak of war, But it is !!

    Take ten minutes, this information will really blow your brain.

    "Spring 1933: Member of the District Council (voivode) of East Oberschleisen, Grazinski, said in a propaganda speech at the Polish Foreign Ministry:" Destroy the Germans. "

    August 7, 1933: The New York Times published a speech by Shmul Untermeyer of the Jewish World Congress, in which he called for "... a holy war against Germany, to the end of Germany and its complete destruction."

    January 25, 1934: Vladimir Jabotinsky, the leader of the Marxists and Zionists, writes: "We will unleash a mental and material war of the whole world against Germany."

    February 1936: Murder in Switzerland of German diplomat Wilhelm Gustlow by Jew David Frankfuter.

    1938: Churchill's open letter to Hitler (1): "If England were in a national calamity similar to that of Germany in 1918, I would pray to God to send me a man of your spirit and strength."

    1938: 2/3 of German estates were roughly expropriated in Poland, forcing hundreds of thousands of Germans to leave Poland.


    1938: 8000 Germans were killed in the most atrocious manner, including Catholic and Protestant priests and pastors, women and children. This was followed by bullying, terror, and government harassment.

    October 24, 1938: Germany submitted to the Polish Embassy in Berlin proposals for resolving friction in Poland. The plan proposed to free the purely German state “Freistaat Danzig” from the Polish customs control imposed on April 1, 1922. It was also proposed to hold a referendum in East Prussia. The German-Polish non-aggression treaty (“Nichtangriffspakt”) with Marshal Pilsudsti from 1934 was extended for 25 years. After the death of Marshal Pilsudski, Secretary of State Beck rejected the German proposals. Warsaw rejected the German proposals 4 times.


    November 7, 1938: Assassination of German diplomat Ernst von Rath by Polish Jew Grinshpan, who was allowed to escape from Europe and never face trial.


    December 19, 1938: Bernard Lecache, President of the Jewish World Federation: "Our task is to organize a moral and cultural blockade of Germany, dividing her nation into 4 parts."

    March 21, 1939: Hitler formally proclaims Germany’s right to return the Free City of Danzig and open rail and road links through the Corridor to Danzig under guarantees from Poland.

    March 23, 1939: Poland rejected Germany’s demands in a provocative manner after announcing a partial mobilization on March 23.

    March 31, 1939: Anglo-French "Declaration of Guarantee" to Poland practically granted to destroy Germany's work to resolve the crisis peacefully and justly. The Poles announced that they would expand their borders to the Elbe River and that Berlin was not a German city, but an old Polish village. Numerous Polish posters proclaimed: "To Berlin!"

    April 25, 1939: American journalist Weigand was summoned to the American Embassy in Paris, and Ambassador Bullitt told him: "The war in Europe is over ... America will enter the war after France and Great Britain." (4)

    This is backed up by Harry Hopkins White House documents, including the following statement from Churchill at the time: "The war will start very soon. We will enter the war and the United States must do the same. You, Baruch, will do what should be done, but keep an eye on it all. I will". (4)

    April 26, 1939: British Ambassador Henderson told his Secretary of State: "Passing through the Corridor is an absolutely fair decision. If we were in Hitler's place, we would have demanded at least him."
    1. +9
      2 January 2020 09: 26
      Gennady Fomkin (Gennady Fomkin)March 31, 1939: The Poles announced that they would expand their borders to the Elbe and that Berlin is not a German city, but an old Polish village. Numerous Polish posters proclaimed: "To Berlin!"

      Polish pre-war anti-German posters


      and this Polish poster of 1939 in general how to divide Germany
      1. +4
        2 January 2020 09: 31
        Thanks for the information, this I have not seen.
  24. +10
    2 January 2020 08: 16
    May 3, 1939: (5) During a large parade of Polish troops held during the Polish National Day, excited people shouted to the troops: "To Gdansk!" and "Forward to Berlin!"

    Summer 1939: Marshal Ridz-Smigli: "Poland wants a war with Germany, and Germany cannot avoid it even if it wants to."

    After this, Hitler first presented to the press the facts of the persecution of Germans in Poland. Hitler's invitation to negotiations in Berlin was not accepted, but at the same time negotiations were ongoing between the Western powers and the USSR. Stalin proposed a military agreement to completely encircle and isolate Germany. In the event of war, he demanded free passage through Poland and complete freedom of action in the Balkans and against Turkey.

    In response, Hitler called on England to maintain peace and emphasized Germany's right to Danzig and the Corridor. He predicted the collapse of the British Empire if it entered the war.

    Lord Wansitarg, the arch-enemy of peaceful relations with Germany and the State Department’s diplomatic adviser in London, said that just mentioning the possibility of a German-English pact would have a devastating effect on Britain in the United States.

    August 20, 1939: Graszynski openly calls for murder: "Kill the Germans wherever you find them."

    August 23, 1939: Germany concludes the Molotov-Ribbentropp Pact with the USSR, breaking the Anglo-French agreements to pieces.

    August 25, 1939: Hitler declares to British Ambassador Neville Henderson: “The assumption that Germany wants to conquer the whole world is ridiculous. The British Empire has 40 million square kilometers, the USSR 19 million, and Germany 600 square kilometers. it is evident who has intentions for conquest.

    August 25, 1939: The signing of the Anglo-Polish Agreement on Mutual Assistance, which increased military euphoria in Poland.

    Crimes against Germans in Poland are multiplying. A resident of Schlesin recalls: "Due to the repressive measures of Poland, about 1938 Germans left it in 39/80. Since May 000, Germans living in Poland near the border with Germany are in particular danger. Citizens and farmers are attacked at home they burn, women and children are beaten.

    August 27, 1939: Excerpt from Hitler's address to French Prime Minister Deladier: "I, Mr. Deladier, fight together with my people against the injustice done against us, and the rest are fighting for this injustice. You and I have lived through the war and are familiar with its ruinous cruelty. We are aware of the indescribable misfortunes that befall the masses. We must do everything in our power to prevent a new war. "

    August 27, 1939: Chaim Weizmann (who participated in the Balfour Declaration), chairman of the Jewish Palestinian Agency, told Chamberlain that Jews are on the side of Britain and ready to fight on the side of democracy.

    August 30, 1939: Again Adolf Hitler issues a document of 16 points in order to avoid war and the settlement of the German-Polish conflict. Poland refused to send an ambassador to receive the document. On the contrary, on the same day Poland declares a general mobilization, which, according to the Geneva Protocols, is tantamount to a declaration of war.

    August 30, 1939: German consul August Schillinger killed in Krakow. And still Germany is not responding with war.

    August 31, 1939: Dahlerus: (6) “When on August 31 at 11:00, accompanied by British diplomatic adviser Forbes, I visited the Polish ambassador in Berlin - Lipski, to present Hitler's 16 points, he (Lipski) made a statement similar to what is done in the event of war: that Germany is rebelling and that numerous Polish troops will successfully reach Berlin. " in Bromberg and other places where the corpses of the Germans were dismembered, raped, tortured and killed in inhuman ways. The German troops entering Pomerania, Schlesin and Slovakia witnessed similar horrors ...
  25. +7
    2 January 2020 08: 21
    The Psheks instantly surrendered to Hitler and almost did not suffer, and they shed tears like a thrown prostitute, against the background of stuffing they want to be paid and repented. laughing
  26. +2
    2 January 2020 08: 27
    Who attacked whom? Well, of course, Stalin on the peace of Hitler.
    1. +6
      2 January 2020 10: 05
      You can simply shut up your mouth in the American aftermath:
      You claim that fascist Germany and the USSR launched World War II by attacking Poland? Ochkhor. And now, take the trouble to explain, Madam Ambassador, why the guarantors of Poland, England and France, declared war only on Germany, and not on the Soviet Union, which you also accuse of aggression. And here you can’t cheat. The reasons for the entry into the war of France and England have long been voiced and documented:
      Ultimatum of England dated September 3, 1939 "Great Britain, fulfilling its allied obligations in relation to Poland, demands an ultimatum from Germany to cease hostilities in Poland and withdraw German troops by 11 o'clock on September 3, otherwise war will be declared on Germany as the aggressor"
      . The French ultimatum was also presented to Germany on September 3. His term expired at 17 hours. On the same day, September 3, Henderson and the French Ambassador Coulondre came for a reply to Ribbentrop. However, the fascist minister said: "Germany rejects the ultimatums of England and France, blaming their governments and the Polish government for the outbreak of war"
      So, Germany, England, France and Poland shift the responsibility for starting a war, but none of them even stutters about the responsibility of the USSR. And these are historical documents, darling
  27. +8
    2 January 2020 08: 35
    Significantly, the statement does not contain a word about which “President Putin lied.” Those. the facts voiced by Putin are not even mentioned, not to mention the fact that they are not refuted. Bo say nothing to the Poles. Taki - snowstorm. laughing
  28. +3
    2 January 2020 08: 38
    The West will not believe that Poland is also responsible "for unleashing the Second World War."
    Relatives of the killed and evicted Czechs in the Cieszyn region, the Germans who were killed in Bohemia, Silesia, Danzig, they not only believe, they have experienced the Polish pans.
  29. +16
    2 January 2020 08: 40
    Do not forget that until 2014, Putin condemned the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, repented for the Soviet Union. Everything turned out after 2014, but now Russia is reaping the fruits of Putin’s anti-Soviet policy, which no one has told, the Soviet Union is also Russia and condemning the politicians of the Union, it will also condemn not in the future, but now.
    1. +2
      2 January 2020 09: 52
      Quote: Gardamir
      Do not forget that until 2014, Putin condemned the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, repented for the Soviet Union.

      Now in Russia the cult of the Great Victory and everything around it defies criticism and deep analysis, the new government has no new "victories" and achievements, so even on New Year's greetings, Putin recalled the celebration of the 75th anniversary of Victory.
      1. +6
        2 January 2020 09: 59
        Putin recalled
        Who would remind him that the deeds of the politicians of the past are not their whims, but a political necessity.
  30. +2
    2 January 2020 08: 43
    Yes, Putin did not lose the West in the interpretation of the beginning of the Second World War, but Russia, as the heiress of the USSR. and Putin will change his opinion more than once. then he hated the USSR and the Poles wanted to like it like he spoke of the Moscow agreement of 1939 ...... https://newsland.com/static/u/content_image_from_text/10092019/6870386-4683742.jpg....pot to the Jews decided to tune in, accused ambassador Lipsky of anti-Semitism, and they gave an answer ....... They also recalled that in 1938 Poland supported the emigration of Jews in alliance with the Zionist movement, which secretly provided military support. According to the document, Polish diplomats and personally Ambassador Lipsky were involved in this.
    https://24tv.ua/ru/glavnyj_ravvin_polshi_prokommentiroval_zajavlenie_putina_ob_antisemitskoj_svine_n1257412....... так что путин, и его советники проявили, полное непонимание запада, да и евреев тоже. а если всему миру с 1991 года говорить, что мы виноваты во всех бедах европы, а потом начинать оправдываться то кто ж тебе верить будет? раньше об этом думать надо было.
  31. +3
    2 January 2020 08: 44
    Their hysteria suggests that the goal has been achieved and their miserable excuses do not matter. Let Poland always remember that they are Hitler's accomplices and remember the annexation of part of Czechoslovakia and do not whine that they are victims. Together with Western Europe, they concluded the first agreements with Hitler Germany, and the USSR did this last. And the troops were brought into Poland when the Polish government was already, ordered the troops not to engage in battle with the Red Army, having fled to Romania.
    And here is how the West reacted to this through Churchill’s lips:
    - Russia pursues a cold policy of its own interests. We would prefer that the Russian armies stand in their current positions as friends and allies of Poland, and not as invaders. But to protect Russia from the Nazi threat, it was clearly necessary for the Russian armies to stand on this line.
  32. +10
    2 January 2020 08: 47
    Unsuccessful "promotion" of Gazprom. There would be no pipe - there would be no need to prove something to alien hostile people. All 4 mentioned peoples are quite satisfied with the weakness of the Russian Federation. To drive a wedge of "old enmity" between him or, in general, to convince him of his "truth" is a naive impromptu.
  33. +4
    2 January 2020 09: 05
    Who benefits from the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact? Definitely - to the Germans! The goal is to protect yourself from a war with the USSR when attacking Poland. Therefore, they took the initiative to sign an agreement with him. What was our benefit? Only to gain time to strengthen the army and economy. After all, Stalin predicted a clash with fascism in the future. By the way, Germany was assessing the completion of the rearmament of its opponents by 1943, and then its advantage disappeared. Hence the haste. The protocols are questionable due to the lack of originals. Destroyed? It is doubtful, because, firstly, I was always surprised that some execution lists with obscene inscriptions were preserved in the archives, and secondly, some “documents” surfaced at a strange time. For example, the "will" of Bukharin's wife was announced not after 20 or 21 congresses, but much later. You will envy such a memory. Beria's note on Katyn from the same series. Another thing is that the West is conducting a collective attack, while we are fighting back alone. As Lukashenka said, these are not our wars. And the fact that the Jews are likely to take a neutral position is quite possible. The older brother, the United States, will push.
  34. +2
    2 January 2020 09: 14
    According to the journalist, the West will not believe that Poland is also responsible "for unleashing the Second World War."
    And why believe him, he knows very well that it was so !!! But this truth is not profitable for them.
  35. +2
    2 January 2020 09: 21
    In Poland: Putin loses the war for history

    Putin may lose, but there is such a thing as the historical memory of the people that you can’t rewrite.
    1. +10
      2 January 2020 12: 17
      Quote: alex007i
      Putin may lose, but there is such a thing as the historical memory of the people that you can’t rewrite.

      To begin with, it would be necessary not to rewrite the history of the Second World War in school books of Russia. He nods to the psheks, but what is the RF Ministry of Industry doing?
      In the 9th grade, the whole history of the 20th and 21st centuries is studied. On 304 pages of the TEXTBOOK, 19 pages (135-153 pages) are allotted for the Second World War.
      Of these 19 pages
      - 2 pages - Eve of war, beginning, defeat of France
      - 1,5 pages - The Great Patriotic War, including a photograph of G.K.Zhukov., Until the summer of 1942. On this, according to the so-called authors V.O.V. is over. Of these one and a half pages a page is a criticism of I.V. Stalin.
      - 6 pages - a radical change in the second world war, not in V.O.V., but in the world (!!!!). This is a half page about the Battle of Stalingrad and the Battle of Kursk. The remaining 5,5 pages are about Pearl Harbor (with photos), photographs with biographies of Churchill and Eisenhower, photos of the Tehran Conference, the creation of an anti-Hitler coalition, resistance movement
      - 5 pages - the final period of the Second World War. Half a page about the Soviet-German front and then about the success of the troops of the anti-Hitler coalition, conferences are different and about the surrender of Japan.
      - 2,5 pages - results of 2 M.V. - common words
      -1 pp. - a statement by Churchill, US Secretary of State Atchison, Prime Minister of Japan ....
      -1,5 p. - to summarize. Blah blah blah about the grandiose successes of the anti-Hitler coalition ......

      There are no most important battles, there are no surnames Gastello, Talalikhin, Kosmodemyanskaya, etc. There is no feat of the Soviet People-Winner.
      It turns out that in our country less attention is paid to domestic history than to foreign.
      1. +1
        2 January 2020 16: 29
        Sylvester, your words yes to God in the ears ...
        From the height of 2020, it seems to me that there is no country of a winner, that means there is no people of a winner; there are no most important / main battles, that means there is no country of a Winner; there are no names of Heroes, then .... this is for someone oh how you need !!!
        The granddaughter, grade 9, does not have a history textbook, but with names ...
  36. +7
    2 January 2020 09: 22
    The Pole is right, we are losing the war for history .... It's too late to remind you when they repented for everything .. But they repented and condemned ... And even now ... on May 9, we shyly cover Lenin's mausoleum with plywood .. This is he "sinister "I planted a bomb under modern Russia ... And so to listen to the statements of our guarantor regarding the USSR, then he is shaken into the ice hole, like the Gray Neck from the fairy tale of the same name ... And the hole is less and less, soon it will completely freeze ...
    1. -7
      2 January 2020 09: 31
      Putin and all of us are fighting for the truth and will definitely win. And you, if you like, can give up and lose to anyone.
      1. +10
        2 January 2020 09: 44
        For the truth? How long have we been fighting? From what year? .. Specify, please ... Not since 1991?
        If you drink with thieves, beware of your wallet.
        If you drink with thieves, beware of your wallet.
        If you walk on a dirty road, you cannot help butting your feet.
        If you pull your hair out, you won’t put it back.
        If you pull your hair out, you won’t put it back.
        And your head is always responsible for where your ass sits.
        "The truth is always one" -
        This is what the pharaoh said.
        He was very smart
        And for this he was called -
        Tutankhamun.
        1. -2
          2 January 2020 10: 18
          Always fought for the truth. And we will fight, but you are not afraid, this war does not concern you, you are the enemy of Russia, soulless, unconscious, and therefore corrupt.
          1. +8
            2 January 2020 10: 31
            Yes, my memory began to be wiped off from the time of perestroika, but it was completely wiped off when the monument to Solzhenitsyn was erected and the Yeltsin Center was opened ... From that it became soulless and venal laughing
      2. +9
        2 January 2020 12: 22
        Quote: Ivan Osipov
        Putin and all of us are fighting for the truth and will definitely win. And you, if you like, can give up and lose to anyone.

        Well then, tell Mr Putin on May 9, 2020 to say warm words about the victorious Soviet people, the leading role in organizing the defense of the CPSU (b) and personally Comrade Stalin, to remove the plywood from the Mausoleum, to which the fascist banners were thrown on May 9, 45. And then somehow you want "both yours and ours" to please. Decide and don't shake the air
      3. +3
        2 January 2020 15: 04
        All of you, and who is it? Are you from the oligarchy? They certainly fight, though against the people of Russia, judging by the results.
  37. 0
    2 January 2020 09: 27
    Is Putin wrong? Poland has always been under the master. It was Russia and Germany and Britain, and today the United States. Six country.
    1. +3
      2 January 2020 12: 43
      No, once it was a Polish-Lithuanian speech, then the Poles managed because of squabbles and religious terrorism in relation to peoples professing a different faith. And so before, Poland was a great country, but could not become an empire. They apparently have a historical memory, and that they’re mutilating on their neighbors
  38. +2
    2 January 2020 09: 27
    Obviously, both the Poles and the German speaking heads have problems with history, everyone is trying to drench themselves, especially Poland! am
  39. +3
    2 January 2020 09: 31
    According to the journalist, West will not believethat Poland is also responsible "for the outbreak of World War II."

    All the crooks are interconnected. laughing
  40. -2
    2 January 2020 09: 31
    Putin's words were intended for the internal consumer, and not for the external.
    Against the background of reconciliation with Ukraine, a new "enemy" is needed to stir up passions among the people. Poland fits.
    He simply did not think of an external reaction to his words.
    1. +4
      2 January 2020 09: 59
      Quote: voyaka uh
      He simply did not think of an external reaction to his words.

      What a confidence. I envy you. You read the thoughts of GDP from a distance.
    2. +3
      2 January 2020 10: 08
      voyaka uh (Alexey) Today, 09: 31
      -1
      Putin's words were intended for the internal consumer, and not for the external.
      Against the background of reconciliation with Ukraine, a new "enemy" is needed to stir up passions among the people. Poland fits.
      He simply did not think of an external reaction to his words.

      I have big doubts about this. When they say such things, every word is weighed and considered.
    3. +4
      2 January 2020 10: 23
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Putin's words were intended for the internal consumer, not for the external. Against the background of reconciliation with Ukraine, a new "enemy" is needed to stir up passions among the people.

      Do not overestimate, it is up to you as to Beijing on all fours ....
      Quote: voyaka uh
      He simply did not think of an external reaction to his words.

      Are you sure of his political myopia? His words were just said with the expectation of an external reaction. You better take up the statements of Aelet Shaked, it’s somehow closer and dearer to you
    4. +4
      2 January 2020 10: 34
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Putin's words were intended for the internal consumer, and not for the external.
      Against the background of reconciliation with Ukraine, a new "enemy" is needed to stir up passions among the people. Poland fits.
      He simply did not think of an external reaction to his words.

      This statement was foreign policy. No one in Russia cares whether this or that politician of the first half of the twentieth century was an anti-Semite or an anti-Buryat.
      1. +1
        2 January 2020 11: 16
        and how did Israel react to this statement?
        And in the world?
    5. +2
      2 January 2020 11: 32
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Putin's words were intended for the internal consumer, and not for the external.
      Against the background of reconciliation with Ukraine, a new "enemy" is needed to stir up passions among the people. Poland fits.
      He simply did not think of an external reaction to his words.


      These are just words. War has prerequisites and this is a whole chain of events. It is not necessary to confuse the strategy and tactics of our Verkhovy (Stalin) with these premises. No one in our country has hatched plans for a war in Europe. But no one had the right to forbid us to prepare for this war. Now our opponents interpret this differently, they say, we provoked a war or even unleashed it. You talk vilely, warrior wow. At least compare the actions of your state in Palestine, akin to your people, and the actions of the Russian Federation in Ukraine. Completely different goals and means. But Russia has already been blamed for all that is possible.
    6. +7
      2 January 2020 12: 23
      Quote: voyaka uh
      He simply did not think of an external reaction to his words.

      this cannot be! In such things, every word is weighed.
    7. +1
      2 January 2020 12: 49
      Nonsense! For all his failures in the economic development of the country, he achieved great success in politics
      On the contrary, he thought everything through, and those who prepared this speech also thought everything through, and admit: “These words hit the mark!” The Poles could not help but bark, as was calculated.
      1. +4
        2 January 2020 13: 44
        He hurt Polyakov, and that was the calculation.
        Their politicians were presumably snapped together, and a stormy response from the Russians began. This was the main goal of the Kremlin - to raise its electorate.
        I wrote about this in the first post.
        But the fact that the Germans, Americans and others entered into polemics is an unexpected effect of resonance. Which is hardly expected, since it is completely not in the Kremlin’s favor.
        1. 0
          2 January 2020 13: 57
          Quote: voyaka uh
          But the fact that the Germans, Americans and others entered into polemics is an unexpected effect of resonance. Which is hardly expected, since it is completely not in the Kremlin’s favor.

          You mean, "urine rushed through the pipes"?
        2. 0
          2 January 2020 16: 27
          You think so? This is an extremely naive opinion.
    8. -1
      2 January 2020 16: 26
      You absolutely do not understand some things. Here, everything is somewhat not so complicated.
    9. 0
      4 January 2020 20: 46
      Quote: voyaka uh
      He simply did not think of an external reaction to his words.

      So react, you are our external.
  41. +7
    2 January 2020 09: 45
    This is how it has become customary since the time of Peter to watch what the foreign country will say, so we continue marching. We have already gotten these attempts to "outplay" the golden billion. The many-faced one has another name - the Father of Lies. Who are we pulling with? Tolerance is invented to abolish good and evil, multiculturalism to erase memory. I like the "yardstick", they say, the West will not believe ... But why should he believe, if he started it? The morderization of Russia has come to a logical conclusion, declaring us the enemies of humanity. Someone expected something different from sodomites, pedophiles and cannibals?
    1. +4
      2 January 2020 10: 34
      The morderization of Russia has come to a logical end, declaring us enemies of mankind.
      ... So in this modernization, how much money is invested by the West ...
      1. +3
        2 January 2020 14: 55
        Quote: parusnik
        The morderization of Russia has come to a logical end, declaring us enemies of mankind.
        ... So in this modernization, how much money is invested by the West ...

        And how many dividends from the invested "investments" have already been received from the formatting of all spheres of the social order according to Western templates? lol
  42. +1
    2 January 2020 10: 28
    Quote: professor
    And do not let the facts confuse you.

    And this is a tantrum! Eka rooting for you! Are you afraid of facts? That's right, you need to smear the facts!
  43. +1
    2 January 2020 10: 42
    Akella missed, Akella missed (jackal from the cartoon "Mowgli"). Very similar. And the heavily tanned American chief of the economy of Putin V.V. tore to shreds. Probably the fourth partition of Poland is coming!
  44. +1
    2 January 2020 10: 50
    As soon as the Poles dare to open their mouths and blame the USSR for something, after they torn Czechoslovakia to pieces on the same day as Hitler and the Hungarians in 1938 ?!

    And the Polish Jews (hypocritical bastards) now also grunt the Poles, they say they just wanted to send to Africa, but it's okay, it's warm there. Ignorance.

    Stalin and the USSR did not cooperate with Hitler and fascism, but fought since Spain since 1936 !!!

    But the United States and European countries just cooperated.

    So Hitler brought to power the money of the American company Standard Oil (Exxon Mobil) Rockefeller companies, General Motors and Ford, like many other companies from the United States raised the German industry, created Opel. (Then they also received compensation from the US government when the factories they built were bombed by the Allied aircraft), the United States insisted on the forgiveness of Germany’s debt according to 1MB.

    And then, when Germany became economically stronger, the West and the United States began feeding Hitler territories and countries with human resources, first turned a blind eye to the entry of troops into the Rhine zone, then to Austria, then they surrendered Czechoslovakia, and then Poland was deceived by Hitler.

    Europe in the person of France and Britain could easily help Poland fight off the German attack and defeat them, but not for the fact that the West was building up the power of Hitler and Germany to stop it. They needed a ram against the USSR and they created it from Germany.

    And now these bastards are also accusing us of starting a war.

    And the USSR proposed creating collective security forces in Europe in Czechoslovakia, in particular, to counter fascism, but not for the West spending money, they wanted to feed Hitler with money, industry, territories so that he attacked the USSR, and only then break it up and profit from new territories at the expense of the USSR.

    But everything went according to plan, the Maginot Line did not save the Western armies ...
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  45. +4
    2 January 2020 10: 58
    Putin, of course, stirred up this viper with his remarks, but without a systematic approach, we really lose the battle for history.
  46. -2
    2 January 2020 10: 59
    . In Poland: Putin loses the war for history

    For all their yapping there is such a reliable argument, Russia can put "poplar XXL" on them. Let them yapping.
  47. +2
    2 January 2020 11: 42
    Poland has repeatedly put Europe in the pose of a running Egyptian. With such a policy, the European Union will put it again and Lithuania will be the first, and then Ukraine. I spent my childhood and youth in Ukraine and I know from the stories of my grandparents that in southern Ukraine all the lands belonged to the Poles - Pototsky, Krasnopolsky, Konetspolsky and many others. So they have something to fight for, this is not counting the Oriental Kresa. So wait.
  48. +2
    2 January 2020 11: 50
    Well, what do you want them to call black black, they have already designated the bad ones, even after 5-10 years they will blame only one Stalin and the USSR.
    It is strange, but at the moment, the Iron Curtain is the best option.
    And why should we be offended by the opinions of enemies? Yes, they have legs in their mouth!
  49. +2
    2 January 2020 11: 54
    It is necessary to put all these pacts, treaties, and generally all documents in open access with translations into all the main languages ​​in chronological order with comments and explanations xy from xy.
  50. +3
    2 January 2020 11: 57
    Poland is the hyena of Eastern Europe W. Churchill
    These are the words of an ally of the Polish government in exile at that time.
  51. +2
    2 January 2020 12: 13
    Quote: professor
    Quote: knn54
    In general, if it were not for World War II Jews NEVER emigrated to Palestine, there would most likely have been no Israel.

    Definitely. The Zionist movement arose only after the war, before the war there were no Jews in Palestine, half a million Jews are tourists. Ben-Gurion was introduced after the war, and Hebrew began to be studied even later.

    Why are you indulging with a fan?

    PS
    Poland was snooping, but this does not negate the fact that two friends, Hitler and Dzhugashvili unleashed World War II. I don’t want to remember the first one, but it’s worth remembering the second. The USSR attacked Poland from the east on September 17, September 22, 1939 in Brest held a joint parade of the Wehrmacht and the Red Army. September 28, the USSR and Germany signed an agreement on friendship and the border. Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia were "annexed" in 1940. Of course, these countries themselves tearfully asked to enter the prison of peoples and the USSR simply agreed to accept them. In 1939, Finland "attacked" the USSR and Dzhugashvili had to defend himself in response to the request of the puppet government created by him. However, a little blood did not work and he urgently forgot about this government and signed papers with the illegitimate government, agreeing only to a part of Finland. The 16th republic of the USSR did not work out. In June 40th Bessarabia was "voluntarily returned" to its native harbor. From November 12 to November 14, 1940, in Berlin, there were held between Ribbentrop and Molotov on the USSR's accession to the "Berlin Pact" (an agreement on "friendship and delimitation of spheres of influence" between Hitlerite Germany, fascist Italy and Japan "). Further plans for dividing the world between friends were discussed. We decided to divide not only Europe, but also Asia. Of course, for the good of Iran and India themselves, as well as other British colonies. We didn’t agree.

    And do not let the facts confuse you.

    How smelly it is...
    It is useless to talk about real historical facts with this, because... that's all
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  53. +3
    2 January 2020 12: 29
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Putin's words were intended for the internal consumer, and not for the external.
    Against the background of reconciliation with Ukraine, a new "enemy" is needed to stir up passions among the people. Poland fits.
    He simply did not think of an external reaction to his words.

    What does this have to do with the reaction? Did the historical events he mentioned happen or not?
    If so, who cares about someone's unhealthy reaction to the reality around them? Except for doctors. If someone is allergic to the truth, this is exclusively their difficulties and deviations.
    Do you want to say that such events did not happen or what is the meaning of your statement?
  54. 0
    2 January 2020 12: 58
    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: Tatiana
    Will Putin and the corrupt Russian deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation have the wisdom and spirit to admit their mistakes in the failure of his false conciliatory and compliant policy towards Poland?

    I did not understand, it was Putin and “the corrupt deputies of the State Duma declared in Yalta in 1945:
    in Russian in the past there were many sins before Poland. Soviet the government seeks make amends these sins.
    ?! belay

    This Putin, on the basis of this statement, fed Poland huge German lands, huge Russian money and recreated ... powerful the enemy Russia?

    It is Putin who has been silent for decades to please this so-called. Polish "ally" about the PREDATOR Poland, which tore apart Czechoslovakia together with Hitler?

    And it was necessary since 1945 to YELL and WRITE in all textbooks and the UN about this joint REPRESENTATION of Hitler and Poland and count This is the BEGIN WWII (which it was), and not to hush up, blocking off this beast.

    Today we are reaping the fruits of that silence and feeding ..... negative

    “WE RELEASED THEM, AND THEY WILL NEVER FORGIVE US FOR THIS,” - everyone knows these words, immediately after the capture of Berlin, spoken by the great commander Georgy Zhukov to the great commander Konstantin Rokossovsky.
    We dared to save Russia from disintegrating into dozens of “independent” bantustans, saved Abkhazia and Ossetia from genocide, returned Crimea, and defended Donbass. We will never be forgiven for this...
    We will never be forgiven for daring to be on this long-privatized and reformatted planet in the imagination of globalizers. But - we are, and we will be, in spite of all satanic projects, and until the end of time we will remain Russians on Russian soil.
    And the day is inevitable when historical justice will triumph and Russia will return to its civilizational borders - established as a result of the Great Victory on May 9, 1945.
  55. +4
    2 January 2020 13: 01
    The successors of the Polish Nazis are unhappy with the stamp on their foreheads.

    The descendants of the German Nazis are squealing something about the USSR, which is quite expected.

    Something else is not clear: the attempt of Polish rabbis to get rid of the Polish Nazis by joining the sect of Sacher-Masoch fans.
  56. +2
    2 January 2020 14: 57
    “Dear Mr. Putin, Hitler and Stalin collaborated at the beginning of World War II. It is a fact. Poland was the victim of this terrible conflict, ”wrote earlier Georgetta Mosbacher, US ambassador to Poland.

    Ma'am, who arranged the Munich agreement with the Fuhrer?
  57. +3
    2 January 2020 15: 47
    In Poland: Putin loses the war for history
    Putin is losing this war solely because of the schizophrenia inherent in this entire gang, called the government of the Russian Federation. On the one hand, they are increasingly pouring crap on the Soviet era in general, as well as the Stalinist era in particular. On the other hand, they are trying to prove that this shit-laden Stalin, as well as his comrades, were right about something. I’m not talking about the official recognition of Katyn as a Stalinist crime and other perestroika anti-Soviet myths... And yet, Putin, obviously, in order not to offend the feelings of his allies in World War II, since they are now “partners,” is trying not to highlight the direct guilt of Great Britain and France in the Munich agreement, as well as the fact that Germany in the period from 1933 to 1941 actually developed with American loans... So Putin needs to either put on his panties or take off his cross...
    1. +3
      2 January 2020 17: 25
      exactly. GDP was worried about the Jews - he even became rude. It’s a pity that he doesn’t worry so much about the Russians.
    2. +3
      2 January 2020 17: 54
      good
      By the way, this is observed not only in foreign policy, but also in domestic policy. Even Soviet achievements are interpreted as Russian)) Sometimes the pearls of journalists are funny to read, for example about how a Russian cosmonaut was the first to fly into space, etc.))
      It turns out clumsy...
    3. 0
      10 January 2020 08: 44
      So Putin needs to either put on his underpants or take off his cross

      “Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!” (c)
  58. +2
    2 January 2020 16: 37
    Putin and other effective managers would have already decided. Otherwise, their historical ramblings are similar to the delirium of a schizophrenic. Today they have one thing, tomorrow another, the day after tomorrow and another. So they and the Poles are essentially the same thing.
  59. +2
    2 January 2020 16: 47
    The fact that we will lose the battle for history in the world is a self-evident fact. We, of course, cannot use any measures to block Western media on Western territory. Our task is to preserve a true understanding of history among our fellow citizens, and we are quite capable of this.
    As for the USA and the West, they have freedom of speech there, and anyone who is interested in understanding what actually started WWII will figure it out without any problems. It’s just that the vast majority of people limit their knowledge to the half-forgotten school curriculum...
    1. +2
      2 January 2020 17: 35
      do we still have history?? the place where the fascist banners were thrown on May 9 is bashfully covered with plywood. It is unacceptable for the gdp&so to recognize the achievements of the soviet people and state. If you don’t admit it, there is simply no history. It’s good that the Jews themselves “thanked” him. and rightly so
      1. +1
        3 January 2020 01: 55
        Quote: Andy
        do we still have history?? the place where the fascist banners were thrown on May 9 is bashfully covered with plywood.

        We have history. It has nothing to do with the current affairs of those in power, that’s why it’s history.
        1. +1
          3 January 2020 11: 57
          no, Andrey. history exists as long as people know it. and the authorities are trying with all their might to be forgotten, rewriting it.
  60. +1
    2 January 2020 17: 00
    The Poles lost back in 1939
  61. +2
    2 January 2020 17: 43
    “Without Stalin’s participation in the partition of Poland and without the natural resources that Stalin had provided to Hitler, the German criminal machine would not have been able to cope with Europe.
    Without the potential of Austria and the Czech Republic, would Hitler have risked anything?
  62. -2
    2 January 2020 18: 20
    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    Putin and other effective managers would have already decided. Otherwise, their historical ramblings are similar to the delirium of a schizophrenic. Today they have one thing, tomorrow another, the day after tomorrow and another. So they and the Poles are essentially the same thing.

    The brilliance of your mind is simply dazzling. Is it possible to give arguments for your statement that the Poles are essentially the same? Those. Is Putin engaged in forging history, hiding historical facts? Which ones? Can you fill your post sparkling with narcissism with specifics and cite the sources of these blatant distortions? Or will you abruptly disappear into the fog?

    In your life on the forum, you repeatedly use the slogan “Putin and effective managers.” What political force, figure, movement or party do you consider effective and promising without sarcasm, who do you consider yourself to be or who do you sympathize with?
  63. +1
    2 January 2020 18: 38
    The question is not who will believe what.
    It's all about political will.
    If necessary, everyone will immediately “believe” just don’t need it, nor England, which surrendered its allies and grabbed cabbage soup in France so much that they are still embarrassed. And even more so for the Americans, who have already invented a story for themselves, who, together with Canada, sheltered the lion’s share of the fascists. So did the Poles, who stupidly robbed Jews.

    To whom, there is something to prove :)
  64. 0
    2 January 2020 18: 42
    Quote: D-ug
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Life in London is twice as expensive as Berlin

    It doesn’t matter at all.
    And even more so, when considering GDP.
    Quote: Krasnodar
    3) And what indicator, Mr. Adam Smith, do you use?

    NFA score. Read about it, it can be found on the Internet.
    Quote: Krasnodar
    6) 47 - by what indicator?

    According to the total accumulated wealth. Simply put, at the "cost of the country" with all its guts.
    Quote: Krasnodar
    8) Richer by what indicator?

    At total cost.
    Quote: Krasnodar
    9) Write about Israel - I lived there for 25 years, nostalgic ...))

    Israel is the 20th world economy. 0,345% of the global volume.
    Israel is among the so-called. "countries of the golden billion" (there were 2018 of them in 22). Among the countries of the golden billion, Israel belongs to the countries with a "rich" population (there are 12 of them in the world). The skeleton of the EU (Germany-France-Italy) refers only to countries with a "wealthy" population.
    The average Israeli in the world ranking of "value" is in 13th place (12th place in the UK). His well-being is 313,7% of the world average, which is an excellent indicator.
    What else?
    In the ranking of "cash cows" (the whole world except the United States, and recently also Japan and Taiwan, these are "cash cows"), Israel is at the very bottom of the list. Those. Israel is also milked, but not very hard.

    Your latest opus is something. Milk the Jews? And who's first in line?
    The Germans milked it. Now we received 500 euros for each.
  65. 0
    2 January 2020 19: 34
    Quote: arhPavel
    The question is not who will believe what.
    It's all about political will.
    If necessary, everyone will immediately “believe” just don’t need it, nor England, which surrendered its allies and grabbed cabbage soup in France so much that they are still embarrassed. And even more so for the Americans, who have already invented a story for themselves, who, together with Canada, sheltered the lion’s share of the fascists. So did the Poles, who stupidly robbed Jews.

    To whom, there is something to prove :)

    That's it - and I don't believe in galoshes!!! and I’m not going to prove it!!!
  66. +1
    2 January 2020 19: 42
    For some, history teaches nothing.
    Mr. Przydacz's statements show that he and his government do not understand that if there is war tomorrow, no one will stand up for the Poles.
    And we are already under sanctions and some of the resources being sold will be able to be converted into wartime industry.
    But by that time, with a 99% probability, there will be nothing left of Poland and NATO allies will happily begin to develop its territories.
    And the Germans and Poles also forgot how the Germans do it.
  67. +2
    2 January 2020 20: 29
    I have other questions. 1. Why did we lose to WADA? 2. Why do we constantly lose to Ukraine on gas issues? 3. If these are political losses, then why are we still members of these corrupt organizations? 4. If these are legitimate losses, then why are the perpetrators still not in prison and not compensating the financial and moral losses to the country?
  68. 0
    2 January 2020 22: 58
    Hello gentlemen! I learned a lot of interesting things from the comments. Share your observations. How many times has Benya Netonyah visited the Kremlin lately? A lot of times! So Poland may be indignant
  69. +1
    3 January 2020 00: 08
    Is this “hyena of Europe” yapping something else?
  70. 0
    3 January 2020 00: 19
    Actually, the descendants of Polish Jews have a lot of questions regarding modern Poland and the Baltic states regarding the property of their ancestors and its return to the legal heirs. This topic is quite relevant against the backdrop of the return of property to former Nazi criminals in these countries
  71. -1
    3 January 2020 00: 32
    My opinion on Vladimir Vladimirovich’s speech is somewhat different. His speech was preceded by the humiliating signing of a contract with Ukraine and the stoppage of construction of SP-2. America stupidly outplayed us. Damage to the country is $15 billion over 5 years. I can’t help but feel that we are now definitely entering the phase of preparation for war. This entire hour-long speech is about the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. And New Year's greetings with a call to unite.
    1. 0
      3 January 2020 13: 10
      How smart you are, it's disgusting.
      1. 0
        3 January 2020 15: 30
        let's wait without emotion for the “emergency” Message from the GDP, which will take place on January 15th. There, all the orders to society and the elite will be clearly visible. I recommend viewing.
  72. -1
    3 January 2020 01: 58
    Polish falsifiers of history declare: “We will not allow the falsification of history”??! wassat
    “European hyenas” have forgotten the allied “Pilsudski-Hitler Pact” of January 1934 and their war crimes in Europe together with the Nazis, as well as the joint “Judenfrei” genocide of Polish Jews?! winked
  73. 0
    3 January 2020 03: 00
    Putin wins the war for history. After the “liberation” of Poland from socialism (hello to the Vatican), revisionism began there. And they didn’t fight in the war with the wrong people, the ones they wanted to fight with, and they were friends with the wrong people under socialism. In short, it was necessary to fight with Hitler, and not against Him. The fact that the British abandoned allied Poland and did not fight for a single minute for it must be “forgotten.” But how they wanted to play the Polish card with the Warsaw uprising. They threw it again. These are the kind of allies Warsaw is looking for on the eve of world war. Oh yes, Russia is to blame. And Putin just wants to use his brain to think about his allies. And about where Poland would be if not for the Red Army.
  74. 0
    3 January 2020 13: 07
    How the Poles moved when they were poked into their own shit.
  75. 0
    3 January 2020 13: 30
    Quote: Mentat
    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    Putin and other effective managers would have already decided. Otherwise, their historical ramblings are similar to the delirium of a schizophrenic. Today they have one thing, tomorrow another, the day after tomorrow and another. So they and the Poles are essentially the same thing.

    The brilliance of your mind is simply dazzling. Is it possible to give arguments for your statement that the Poles are essentially the same? Those. Is Putin engaged in forging history, hiding historical facts? Which ones? Can you fill your post sparkling with narcissism with specifics and cite the sources of these blatant distortions? Or will you abruptly disappear into the fog?

    In your life on the forum, you repeatedly use the slogan “Putin and effective managers.” What political force, figure, movement or party do you consider effective and promising without sarcasm, who do you consider yourself to be or who do you sympathize with?

    I waited for an answer.
    Well, that's to be expected: it disappeared into the fog.

    When asked to give arguments or quotes - minus.
    When asked about political views, there is another minus.
    An indicator of who it is and what it is doing on the forum.
    1. 0
      3 January 2020 13: 35
      Quote: Mentat
      When asked to provide arguments

      Do you need arguments? Catch it.
      In 2004, tablets cost 10 bottles of moonshine. Now it's five.
  76. -1
    3 January 2020 15: 38
    Is the ambassador telling a lie? Why did the USSR Congress condemn the Pact? What then did the Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR condemn? And why? Laughter is caused by the ridiculous attempts of Putin and sixes like the author Pavlenko - to scream hysterically about the anti-Semite Lipsky, who - as the Polish Jews themselves say - helped Polish Jews, and completely forget about the condemnation of the Pact in the USSR.

    The failure of the propaganda was complete, despite the squats and bows before world Jewry - even US Jews condemned Putin’s distortions of history - the chairman of the Jewish American Committee, Harris, called Putin’s words revisionism. https://twitter.com/DavidHarrisAJC/status/121057 />

    In general, how absurd it is to unleash World War II with Hitler, which led to the Holocaust, and yet shout about
  77. 0
    4 January 2020 20: 43
    He did not show up for this war.

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