Nord Stream 2: US Sanctions and Russia's Compromise


The US congressional sanction against Nord Stream 2, instantly signed by President Trump, created a new situation in Europe.


Stockholm Verdict


Gazprom stepped back from its positions and agreed on a transit agreement with Naftogaz, including the payment of $ 2,9 billion to Kiev according to the Stockholm arbitration verdict, this is a difficult compromise for Moscow and a consequence of American sanctions that actually suspended the construction of SP-2, at least six months.

I involuntarily recall how President Yanukovych received a three billion dollar loan from Moscow, and now President Zelensky also received almost three billion, although for other reasons, by decision of the Stockholm arbitration.

But Moscow gave money, and immediately, although it could stretch these payments by gas supplies, to which Naftogaz agreed. Moscow seems to be betting on Zelensky in his predicted clash with the nationalists behind Poroshenko. As a lesser evil.

Great European game


Stockholm billions and Ukrainian transit are also a big European policy. For the first time, US sanctions hit Germany and Europe as a whole: all energy and construction companies related to SP-2. Energy supply in Germany was in jeopardy.

In this situation, Russia makes a compromise and concessions on Ukrainian transit, Ukraine also makes a compromise on its part, apparently under pressure from Germany and the European Union. As a result, Russia and Germany with their friends and SP-2 are situationally in the same boat against US sanctions. This is an important episode in the unfolding Great European game for gas and its delivery routes.

Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov makes a harsh statement: "Russia will definitely respond to sanctions against SP-2." So as not to "shoot yourself in the foot." Almost at the same time, the US through special services provides Moscow with information about impending terrorist attacks in St. Petersburg - an incredible fact, given the current relations between Washington and Moscow, unless President Trump wants to soften Moscow’s reaction to the sanctions against SP-2, hinting that he was forced to sign them.

By the sum of the circumstances


Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Kozak called the payment of $ 2,9 billion to Kiev "a difficult decision, the choice between bad and very bad." What is the difference between "bad" and "very bad"?

Here are Congressional sanctions, which actually slowed down the construction of SP-2, and judicial tyagomotin in US-influenced international courts, and the situation in Ukraine. And soon there will be a court in London on a three-billion-dollar loan from Russia to Ukraine when President Yanukovych was in office - this seems to be another reason why I had to pay the Stockholm gas verdict.

If Russia refused to pay the debt awarded in Stockholm, the London court could on this basis refuse to consider the lawsuit of Russia. And so, too, Moscow paid $ 2,9 billion to Kiev immediately in money. Of course, the London court can follow the Stockholm path, but then the West and its financial system will lose their reputation in a non-Western world, and Russia can declare the West a non-legal community.

Peremoga as zrada


In general, as if the Ukrainian Naftogaz is very recklessly behaving so impudently with Gazprom, filling it up with lawsuits. His “victory” is undoubtedly Pyrrhic, as Gazprom, as a supplier of energy resources, will be able to recoup its Stockholm losses.

Naftogaz is, as it were, Ukrainian, because American managers really manage it; for them, Naftogaz is only an instrument of opposition to Russia, and what will happen next is not important. And what could be? There may not be a 25 percent discount that was in the rejected package of Gazprom. New arrangements - new discounts.

On the other hand, Gazprom’s concessions are due to the whole amount of political and economic circumstances of the big European game: Moscow is still trying to create the Moscow-Berlin axis against US sanction pressure.
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  1. certero 3 January 2020 05: 59 New
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    And let's calculate how much useful things could be built in Russia for 3 billion bucks. And why are those who are to blame for the disruption of the construction of the SP-2 and the loss to Ukraine in Stockholm unknown to us and not publicly punished.
    1. Spartanez300 3 January 2020 06: 12 New
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      Give me your finger and then bite off your whole hand. I don’t know who and what benefit sees in this concession, I consider it impossible to go on about these ghouls. Now again everyone will think that Russia is still weak and spineless. That it can still be spread rot and robbed, I consider it a shame for our country. How long will we look at the United States from below, tail tail. Putin can only engage in verbiage, but in fact a shaky and humiliating policy.
      1. Ross xnumx 3 January 2020 06: 43 New
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        Quote: Spartanez300
        Putin can only engage in verbiage, but in fact a shaky and humiliating policy.

        Why are you doing this? Also "not possible." This is our “everything”, our “always” and our “everywhere”. Try it yourself like this, with a microphone in your ear, to answer questions from corrosive journalists and representatives (albeit fake ones) from citizens for four hours ... without smoke breaks ... without interruptions ...
        And how “gloriously” he explained to us about the salaries of Miller and his ilk, thanks to which we “blossom and smell”:


        This SP-2 has already brought so many losses and humiliations to the camp (not to managers or even to some shareholders, but to the country !!!) that it becomes an unrealizable fantasy to receive any profit from this project in the Russian budget.
        To be honest. With much lower costs, it was possible to solve the gas transit by other routes (not even via "U") ...
        hi
        1. Altona 4 January 2020 15: 02 New
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          Quote: ROSS 42
          This SP-2 has already brought so many losses and humiliations to the camp (not to managers or even to some shareholders, but to the country !!!) that it becomes an unrealizable fantasy to receive any profit from this project in the Russian budget.

          -------------------
          Here you are right. The bourgeoisie, as always, agreed among themselves. Pans “fought”, and forelocks crackled at the lackeys in the form of new requisitions from us, pension reform and subsidies to exporters from the budget.
        2. Guru 5 January 2020 08: 27 New
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          This video contains content owned by an NTV Broadcasting Company user. He forbade watching the video on this resource.
          Quickly covered. laughing
      2. dedusik 3 January 2020 09: 17 New
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        Quote: Spartanez300
        How long will we look at the United States from below, tail tail.

        Exactly as long as Europe is under the heel of the United States winked
        1. Lelek 3 January 2020 11: 08 New
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          Quote: dedusik
          Exactly as long as Europe is under the heel of the United States

          hi
          This argument is secondary. Basically, such situations will be repeated for now. we we won’t learn to count all the pros and cons until we grow up competent motivated managers and lawyers of world level, and not followers who lose business. For example, now the United States is refusing to return to Russia the remnants of gold stored in the United States. But what, this could not have been foreseen earlier, given the situation with the return of gold from Germany, Australia, Libya, Iran, Canada? And what did those then "hosters" and "negotiated" think?
          1. Dart2027 3 January 2020 11: 16 New
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            Quote: Lelek
            US refuses to return to Russia the remnants of gold stored in the USA

            And what is this gold?
            1. Lelek 3 January 2020 11: 31 New
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              Quote: Dart2027
              And what is this gold?

              hi
              There is no exact data, but it is somewhere around 5-8 %% of the RF stock. For completeness, read:
              1. Dart2027 3 January 2020 12: 50 New
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                Quote: Lelek
                For completeness, read

                Well read. The quote from Mr. Roberts is in italics, but what is written about the Russian Federation does not apply to it. Well, since this is not a link to the entire article, but a picture, it is logical to assume that it is specially made in such a way as to confuse an inattentive person.
                2 \ 3 gold and foreign exchange reserves of Russia are stored in the Central repository of the Central Bank. The storage of the golden reserve of the country is available in ingots of all 10 kilograms with a sample of 999. There are also ingots of 100 grams up to 1 kilogram in weight. At the central storage facility, about 6000 gold collection bins are located.

                https://forex365.ru/poleznoe/gde-xranyatsya-zol-valyut-rezervy-rossii.html
          2. valeryb 3 January 2020 11: 17 New
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            Quote: Lelek
            The United States refuses to return to Russia the remnants of gold stored in the United States.
            But their sanctions, sanctions.
          3. depressant 3 January 2020 17: 40 New
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            Leloka, stop!
            Where does Russian gold come from in the USA?!?
            At one time, I.V. Stalin categorically refused to give up the gold reserve of the USSR to the USA. While all the leaders of European countries dutifully sent their gold reserves there. Subsequently, only de Gaulle dared to demand the return of the gold of France, received it, and together with the return - assassination attempts. So what kind of Russian gold are we talking about?
        2. major147 3 January 2020 11: 39 New
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          Quote: dedusik
          Quote: Spartanez300
          How long will we look at the United States from below, tail tail.

          Russia does not have such powerful "levers of influence" on the USA as it does on Russia. So the above quote is just a concussion. Let's be realistic.
    2. Dart2027 3 January 2020 06: 13 New
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      Quote: certero
      And why are those who are to blame for the disruption of the construction of SP-2

      USA?
      1. Stas157 3 January 2020 07: 24 New
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        Quote: Dart2027
        Quote: certero
        And why are those who are to blame for the disruption of the construction of SP-2

        USA?

        The United States is not the culprit, but the beneficiary. Bad leadership on our part is to blame for this failure.

        Negligence, collapse of government, inaction of the authorities, failure to fulfill their duties, betrayal of the interests of the motherland, use of public funds for personal purposes, damage to the power of the motherland.

        These are the formulations under which the careless Soviet leaders were arrested and put on trial. Today, unfortunately, they do not. Hence the natural result.
        1. Dart2027 3 January 2020 07: 44 New
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          Quote: Stas157
          Bad leadership on our part is to blame for this failure.

          So does it lead Denmark and Switzerland?
          1. Stas157 3 January 2020 08: 03 New
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            Quote: Dart2027
            Quote: Stas157
            Bad leadership on our part is to blame for this failure.

            So does it lead Denmark and Switzerland?

            You have amazing logic. In all the bad things that happen to you, blame only your opponents! And your leadership should not have foreseen all the risks? Do you think that the whole road should be covered with roses, by definition?

            By your logic, it turns out that only the Germans were to blame for the failures of the Red Army in the year 41 and the fact that the enemy was near Moscow?
            1. dedusik 3 January 2020 09: 21 New
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              What does the Red Army have to do with Denmark and Switzerland all over Europe dancing to the tune of the United States? They clearly said that all decisions were politicized. Ukraine is in distress.
              1. major147 3 January 2020 12: 16 New
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                Quote: dedusik
                because Ukraine is in distress.

                But at the same time, they modestly hold back why she was in such a position and who is to blame!
            2. Dart2027 3 January 2020 11: 14 New
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              Quote: Stas157
              And your leadership should not have foreseen all the risks?

              Another state puts the wheels in the wheel, but is their government to blame? If you are not in the know, then all kinds of obstacles were put from the very beginning, and nevertheless the process goes on.
              1. Stas157 3 January 2020 11: 29 New
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                Another state puts sticks in wheels but my government is to blame?

                And that is true. The other state should have secured us with the pipe layer! Is not it? And what is demand from our leadership? It never has to do with it! Could not know there, in the end, that the US would suddenly announce sanctions, as well as calculate the consequences of this ...
                1. Dart2027 3 January 2020 12: 44 New
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                  Quote: Stas157
                  The other state should have secured us with the pipe layer!

                  And, in your opinion, in the world of these pipe layers is simply unmeasured? These are specialized vessels, of which there are only a few units, simply because the world is far from always having a need.
                  1. the lord 4 January 2020 13: 12 New
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                    That is why, when you are doing pipe laying, you should have your own pipe layer, at least in reserve. Your attempts to justify our rulers here are just some kind of childishness. If we have gas streams, then it’s good to have ships under them too, they will have to be serviced anyway.
                    1. Dart2027 4 January 2020 14: 28 New
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                      That's why when you are doing pipe laying, you should have your own pipe layer, even if in reserve

                      After spending several years on its design and a few more on construction, and then think about where to put it.
                      Quote: znavel
                      Your attempts to justify our rulers here are just some kind of childishness.

                      Everyone imagines himself a strategist seeing a battle from the side.
                      1. the lord 19 January 2020 12: 32 New
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                        Where to put the pipe layer? And where are the Swiss going to go? Or is there nowhere to lay gas pipelines on the bottom? Did you seriously write this as a counterargument?)))))
                        Not everyone sees himself as a strategist, and such a simple opportunity as happened with SP-2 is really a bum and for our money as a result. Miller and Novak will not extinguish all this from their pockets
                      2. Dart2027 19 January 2020 13: 02 New
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                        And where are the Swiss going to go?

                        There is such a thing as politics. In international business, everything has long been divided and getting into it is not so simple, and the need for pipelines of this size does not often arise.
                      3. the lord 11 February 2020 06: 43 New
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                        Is that your explanation? But nothing that technology is developing and difficult to achieve is becoming more simple and affordable? Where is everything in the world divided for a long time? And once again - why would the Russian Federation not need pipelines when the little Swiss have as many as two?
                      4. Dart2027 11 February 2020 19: 20 New
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                        Quote: znavel
                        And again - why would the Russian Federation not need pipelines

                        In fact, she has them, and it is they who will finish building.
                      5. the lord 18 February 2020 11: 55 New
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                        but let's not stupid, sometimes not for confusion, but for justice, you can guess that we were talking about pipelayers. So why would Russia not need pipe layers?
                      6. Dart2027 18 February 2020 12: 14 New
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                        Quote: znavel
                        so why would the Russian Federation do not need pipe layers

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Actually, she has them.
                      7. the lord 18 February 2020 12: 16 New
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                        Actually, no, and for this it took 800 lyam to modernize. Otherwise, sp2 would already be generating income. Again we grimaced in confusion?
                      8. Dart2027 18 February 2020 13: 20 New
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                        Quote: znavel
                        it took 800 lyam to upgrade

                        “Academician Chersky, according to available information, has the opportunity to work at those depths to complete the rest of the pipe. He will come to the point of completion of the Nord Stream-2 somewhere in the middle of April and will begin work in late April or early May.

                        https://nsn.fm/policy/severnyi-potok-2-dostroit-rossiiskii-truboukladchik
                        Again grimacing in bulk?
                      9. the lord 19 February 2020 18: 24 New
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                        I’m not interested in Navalny, and you like yourself again?)))) Deeply dishonorable)))). Where there and how soon Chersky will come, the grandmother said in two. and it will all be huge additional costs and not from the pocket of Miller and Sechin. Love confusion. And about the threat of sanctions to those who begin to use our SP2 - did not hear? Strange ...
                      10. Dart2027 19 February 2020 20: 48 New
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                        Quote: znavel
                        and you like yourself again?)))) Deeply dishonest))))
                        Can't come up with anything else?
                        Quote: znavel
                        And about the threat of sanctions to those who begin to use our SP2 - did not hear?
                        Which ones, a lot of them?
                        Quote: znavel
                        Do not consider the Germans overly bold. All recently, they have been demonstrating submission to the will of the United States.
                        And where did the SP-2 come from?
                        Quote: znavel
                        And the amers have the opportunity to offer a favorable price, but right now it doesn’t work out, but until it is offered, the infrastructure is not ready,
                        And how will the infrastructure affect the cost of transportation?
                        Quote: znavel
                        And in the future, a variant with the control of amers for sp2 can be proposed.
                        Share your boss’s plans? So Navalny and K will not allow anyone to power.
  • major147 3 January 2020 12: 19 New
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    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: Stas157
    And your leadership should not have foreseen all the risks?

    Another state puts the wheels in the wheel, but is their government to blame? If you are not in the know, then all kinds of obstacles were put from the very beginning, and nevertheless the process goes on.

    It is not possible to foresee all risks. Comrade Bismarck also said: "Politics is the art of the possible." And then he understood better than many writers here!
    1. the lord 4 January 2020 13: 13 New
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      All risks are impossible, but technological ones like this are real. Were you going to serve flows inviting foreigners? Or did they begin to announce the current sanctions yesterday?
  • major147 3 January 2020 11: 45 New
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    Quote: Stas157
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: certero
    And why are those who are to blame for the disruption of the construction of SP-2

    USA?

    The United States is not the culprit, but the beneficiary. Bad leadership on our part is to blame for this failure.

    Negligence, collapse of government, inaction of the authorities, failure to fulfill their duties, betrayal of the interests of the motherland, use of public funds for personal purposes, damage to the power of the motherland.

    These are the formulations under which the careless Soviet leaders were arrested and put on trial. Today, unfortunately, they do not. Hence the natural result.

    "Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side." (with)
  • ccsr 3 January 2020 14: 16 New
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    Quote: Stas157
    Bad leadership on our part is to blame for this failure.

    Based on your logic, the USSR also had poor leadership that did not calculate the actions of the United States and Saudi Arabia to sharply lower oil prices in the late 70s, and what followed:
    In 1980, Moscow sold 90 tons of gold per year, and in 1981 - already 250 tons. This gold comes not from the annual mining of the Soviets, but from stocks. The USSR is frantically looking for ways to increase its exports in order to patch up the holes obtained in the first stage of the struggle against them by the United States.

    So the question is about your statement:
    Quote: Stas157
    These are the formulations under which the careless Soviet leaders were arrested and put on trial.

    Why then didn’t they put anyone out of the ministers for this, and now you demand arrests?
    1. the lord 4 January 2020 13: 18 New
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      Because then it happened stealthily without a constantly growing sanctions war. And do not remember about Jackson-reed, it was also a one-time act as well as the ban on the supply of pipes. But right now the story was growing constantly and over the course of several years. Not to purchase all the necessary equipment (but rather to design it yourself to give work to their engineers) is the top of sloppiness.
      1. ccsr 4 January 2020 18: 53 New
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        Because then it happened stealthily without a constantly growing sanctions war.

        Come on, do you fantasize - did you hear anything about Churchill's Fulton speech? Since then, an active Cold War has been waged, and there has not been a break until now, even with the drunk president.
        Quote: znavel
        And do not remember about Jackson-reed, it was also a one-time act as well as the ban on the supply of pipes.

        And why has it still not been canceled?
        Quote: znavel
        But right now the story was growing constantly and over the course of several years.

        Tell a tale about the present time to ignorant people, and literate people already understand that no one will forgive us the Victory over Europe in 1945.
        Quote: znavel
        Not to purchase all the necessary equipment (but rather to design it yourself to give work to their engineers) is the top of sloppiness.

        And not everything may not be enough time and money, so foreign developments will also have to be used, because this is due to the international division of labor. So the question is, what will we choose to be the leader in the world and this was in demand by everyone - for example, floating nuclear power plants or air defense and missile defense systems will always diverge like hot cakes. There are other industries where we are leaders in the world, so we must rely on them.
        1. the lord 19 January 2020 12: 42 New
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          And what does Churchill's speech have to do with it? You dug so deep that you were clearly lost
          And the Jackson-reed amendment has long been sort of canceled, no?
          Your next “lunge” about the memory of 1945 is not at all right here - there is no war from it - there are insults about the interference of the amers themselves in strategic scenarios and it took really bigger and more decisive measures and deeper forecasts.
          Your next “attack on the fact that you don’t have money for everything, you can wrap it in a thousand bucks and throw it away, no one will pick it up, believe me. With such reserves as ours, which are more than 2 times the required amount, paying 800 llamoa = in rubles is zilch, much smaller. than ukram paid))) but count on the money found right away ... once after the Swiss escape))))
          1. ccsr 19 January 2020 13: 17 New
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            Quote: znavel
            And what does Churchill's speech have to do with it?

            This is a concentrated program of the West in relation to Russia, regardless of whether it will be - Soviet, bourgeois or imperial.
            Quote: znavel
            And the Jackson-reed amendment has long been sort of canceled, no?

            The non-Jackson-Vanik mandrel was canceled for six CIS countries, and the name was changed for Russia and it became known in 2012 as the Magnitsky Law:
            In December, a law combining Magnitsky’s Law and permission to the president to repeal the amendment in respect of Russia and Moldova was passed by the Senate. December 20, 2012, US President Barack Obama signed the law [21], which received the official name of the English. Russia and Moldova Jackson-Vanik Repeal and Sergei Magnitsky Rule of Law Accountability Act of 2012 and became known as Magnitsky law.

            The same eggs, only in profile.
            Quote: znavel
            Your next “lunge” about the memory of 1945 is not at all right here - the war of sanctions is not being waged from it

            That's right - the first restrictions on trade with Muscovy were introduced in pre-Petrine times. And 1945 is only an interim date, but symbolic and understandable to everyone.
            Quote: znavel
            Your next "attack about the fact that not everything has money you can wrap in a thousand bucks and throw it away - no one will pick it up, believe me.

            Why should I believe in your "thoughtful" conclusion, not supported by anything?
            Quote: znavel
            but at the money found, consider immediately ... once after the Swiss escape))))

            You seem too faint to imagine that gas production is a round-the-clock continuous process that cannot be stopped without catastrophic consequences. And we must supply gas somewhere, otherwise we will have nowhere to store it. Since the Americans announced sanctions to us, we naturally suffered losses, and they just fit into the overhead costs that are always laid down in advance at the design stage. I do not see this tragedy, especially considering the fact that according to our government bonds Ukraine is obliged to return not 3 but 4,5 billion dollars, that is, 1,5 billion we will beat back. What is your sadness and sorrow for this process?
            1. the lord 11 February 2020 07: 03 New
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              You overestimate the significance of Churchill's speech, but it is. And please, do not combine the two separate points of the Jackson-reed amendment and Magnitsky's law. Do not play, the amendment was canceled and the deal with the end. "Magnitsky law" may not have appeared
              Now about the memory of the 45th year, why would he have any intermediate date in the sanctions measures? We have peace there, friendship, chewing gum. All the bad things happened much later. In your attempt to whitewash Putin, you are already losing the edge and splashing with pathos.
              And how is this my conclusion not supported by anything, when I write to you there about our gold and foreign exchange reserves, which are already doubled in relation to the maximum requirements rate? Money from the Russian Federation as a fool wrappers, but she as a fool disposes of them.
              What? Is gas production a continuous process? Have you simply forgotten about gas storage from over-employment? And gas supply can always be stopped, and moreover, easily find where to spend it. And who is so smart you like there in a long-standing dispute? You yourself and once again you are from another account?))))) And where and when will we recapture our money there, if right now we bear the additional costs by letting gas from SP2 into the infrastructure built for SP1? I’m not only upset, but insulted by the irremovability of completely ineffective ministers and leaders of flagship companies, despite the huge shoals in the work that ordinary citizens then repay, and not a novice with a miller and a company. At this pace, we will not beat anything at all, and there are still some sanctions and pipes that will become corpses at the bottom. And then you will engage in confusion?
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                Quote: znavel
                You overestimate the significance of Churchill’s speech,

                You simply underestimate the speech of a famous politician.
                Quote: znavel
                Do not play, the amendment was canceled and the deal with the end. "Magnitsky law" may not have appeared

                Do not make yourself a “virgin” - one amendment just replaced another, because the previous amendment has already discredited the Americans themselves as ordinary idiots, because there is no USSR, the Jews left for Israel, and the amendment was valid.
                Quote: znavel
                We have peace there, friendship, chewing gum.

                There was no such thing - the Caribbean crisis, the wars in Korea and Vietnam proved it.
                Quote: znavel
                which are already twice exceeded in relation to the maximum requirements standard?

                Did you personally set this norm, or the Americans? What prevents you from having gold in the country?
                Quote: znavel
                Have you simply forgotten about gas storage from over-employment?

                Gas storage itself is a costly process - you are simply ignorant of these issues.
                Quote: znavel
                You yourself and again you are from another aka?)))))

                I don’t have any other account, but you are a real scoundrel, once you spread this lie, and I understand why you are doing this - you yourself are from this category, who have several accounts to fill their price.
                Quote: znavel
                but it offends the irremovability of completely ineffective ministers and leaders of flagship companies, despite huge shoals in their work,

                Who prevents you from taking their place - prove to everyone that you are better than them and take their place. If you can’t do this, then don’t indicate how they need to work.
                Quote: znavel
                At this pace, we will not beat anything at all, and there are still some sanctions and pipes that will become corpses at the bottom.

                Let's look at your forecast when, for example, contracts for gas transit through Ukraine, Poland and Belarus are not extended in a few years - then we will evaluate how many years the pipelines will pay off.
                1. the lord 18 February 2020 11: 52 New
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                  Do I underestimate the opinion of a famous politician? Is it then from the premieres that they shuganuli? Yeah!))))
                  About the amendment, it was canceled and not only in connection with the death of the USSR, but in general because of uselessness. Magnitsky’s law is generally on a different topic and not about that. Or what kind of amer goods we lost after that? Obviously someone else is building a virgin from herself))))
                  Friendship about the world. I wrote chewing gum in 195 goals and initially it was about this year. Kchemu you pulled the Caribbean crisis there. You would still attribute our future battles with amers to 1945.
                  About the foreign exchange reserves, did you seriously write there?))))) Do I deal with a schoolboy? Our economists consider these norms. We have the size of all kinds of requirements for the Russian Federation and its obligations in case of simultaneous presentation of them to us can be paid off twice and still remain. But at the same time to the necessary and necessary. even for such as the re-equipment of Academician Cherskiy, we don’t have money ... yeah))))) And yes, I am outraged by the lack of modernly developed industries in our country and the mountains of gold lying separately and untouchable. And you are satisfied with the malnutrition of the population and the full pocket of all sorts of Chubys and Nabiulin?
                  On gas storage, you are ignorant in this matter. Gas is stored, it is cost-effective, and you screwed up
                  Fuck you. bastard. I had the audacity to call me a scoundrel for a very strange punching you in an old argument where an outsider already doesn’t show a nose? Yes, you are also with a rotten little man. However, they were not surprised))))
                  To take the place of these ineffective rubber products No. 2 prevents me from their mutual responsibility and protectionism. And out of incompetence in strategic matters is invisible only to those like you confused. I am convinced that you were an avid hpshnik too, right?)))
                  Yeah, let's wait for something else a few years. and then someone’s thread will die, either you or me. either Putin and the company from Novak Miller and Sechin.))))) We read all about Nasruddin
                2. ccsr 18 February 2020 13: 52 New
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                  Is it then from the premieres that they shuganul? Yeah!

                  Some prime ministers are generally killed, but they don’t get any dumber than that. Does your last name Stolypin tell you anything?
                  Quote: znavel
                  Magnitsky’s law is generally on a different topic and not about that. Or what kind of amer goods we lost after that?

                  And they from the KOKOM list never appeared in our country - where are you from so illiterate?
                  Quote: znavel
                  Our economists consider these norms. We have the size of all kinds of requirements for the Russian Federation and its obligations in case of simultaneous presentation of them to us can be paid off twice and still remain.

                  We still need to live at least a year on our financial resources - these are the laws of this world, which is why gold is much more reliable than any currencies. Have you heard anything about the strategic reserves of the country in wartime?
                  Quote: znavel
                  On gas storage, you are ignorant in this matter. Gas is stored, it is cost-effective, and you screwed up

                  Yes, I didn’t screw it up, but you just have wild ideas about this process, you don’t even know that there are losses.
                  Quote: znavel
                  Fuck you. bastard. I had the audacity to call me a scoundrel for a very strange punching you in an old argument where an outsider already doesn’t show a nose? Yes, you are also with a rotten little man. However, they were not surprised))))

                  Of course you are a real scoundrel, since you attributed to me the creation of a second account in order to raise ratings - you can go down to this, but my conscience does not allow me.
                  Quote: znavel
                  Yeah, let's wait for something else a few years. and then someone’s thread will die, either you or me. either Putin and the company from Novak Miller and Sechin.))))) We read all about Nasruddin

                  I realized that you have no arguments - you can lie further.
                3. the lord 19 February 2020 18: 37 New
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                  And Stolypin remained a fool who was not capable of anything. Stop resorting to this stuffed animal as an example of something successful))))
                  Those. With the application of the law of Magnet, did we lose Amer basketballs? )))) This is also me on the question of my "illiteracy")))))) You are definitely degrading))))
                  What are you talking about when writing about foreign exchange reserves? I explained to you why we have an overabundance of reserves and at the same time marveled as we never have enough money for the right things. Have you decided here about the quality of the asset "gold" to write a truism on this? Get ready, otherwise you are already losing the thread of reasoning. Go up the dispute branch or something)))))
                  I do not know about losses during gas storage? Yes, you are already creating your reality in which I am writing what you want, and not what I wrote))))) Funny softening of the nervous system)))
                  Regarding the fact that I'm mean, you saw the pluses in my comments? The two of us here are just sitting and talking. And you even had two. And is it not strange? This is possible only if you call homies, which is unlikely, unprincipled, or you do it with your additional accs)))) So you called me a scoundrel unreasonably, but you made yourself a bastard, and even stubborn)))) )
                  And this is your epic statement that I have no arguments, in spite of their presence in the previous comment and here reveals the offended girl in you.)))))
                4. ccsr 19 February 2020 22: 46 New
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                  Quote: znavel
                  Those. With the application of the law of Magnet, did we lose Amer basketballs?

                  We didn’t need them at all - why did you drag it on?
                  Quote: znavel
                  I explained to you why we have an excess of reserves

                  We do not have any overabundance, but there is a constant increase in sanctions against us, which is why the more gold, the better for the country, especially since gold is always a liquid asset.
                  Quote: znavel
                  The two of us here are just sitting and talking. And you even had two. And is it not strange? This is possible only if you either call homies, which is unlikely, unprincipled, or you do it with your additional acc

                  This best proves that you are inadequate - not everyone will hear such stupidity. Do not worry - I’m not calling anyone anywhere, so if someone gives me pluses, it’s not because I asked someone, but because he understands and approves of my thought.
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                  Current do not roar sobbing,

                  Yes, you don’t seem to give a reason for this, but your texts are quite suitable for laughter.
  • rumel 3 January 2020 07: 19 New
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    Why are unknown? But ... Celestials can not be punished. Look at the government of the Russian Federation - the 10 second first ministers (already absurd), each of whom has done so many silly shoals that he has long earned a completely different place of work and residence. And this is only a visible fragment of the vicious system of anti-state governance (also a paradox). There is no need to talk about the care of these people about citizens and their well-being. I recall the "flattering" speeches addressed to our people by the current first minister when he was "acting king". Banal lack of professionalism, immense greed, hysteria, political lack of will, mutual responsibility, finally, self-deception and obedience to Western curators - these are the components of the failure of all projects. Ah, alas, alas ...
  • Svarog 3 January 2020 07: 43 New
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    and Russia can declare the West a non-jural community.

    Could, have long been announced ..
    And let's calculate how much useful could be built in Russia by 3

    And if you count all the jambs? Yes there is a hundred billion run over ..
    And why are those who are to blame for the disruption of the construction of the SP-2 and the loss to Ukraine in Stockholm unknown to us and not publicly punished.

    We don’t give our own .. well, and naturally we are not the 37th ..
  • Alexey Sommer 3 January 2020 08: 09 New
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    Quote: certero
    And why are those who are to blame for the disruption of the construction of the SP-2 and the loss to Ukraine in Stockholm unknown to us and not publicly punished.

    You are absolutely right! How is it in the verses? ..
    "Impunity -
    gives birth -
    permissiveness..."
    This is our power.
    No one answered for the “rout” in Ukraine in 2014. This was the beginning of the ordeal with SP2 and so on.
  • Rostislav Bely 3 January 2020 08: 20 New
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    Before you carry the “propaganda blizzard”, sit with the calculator and count all the pros and cons (you still can’t do without Ukrainian transit, but the costs are less when building flows)
    LNG from the United States at best, only 1/10 of exports from Russia (profanity for people), but LNG is just energy, and without pipe gas the chemical industry will become ...
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      Quote: Rostislav White
      Rostislav Bely (Rostislav Bely) Today, 08:20 NEW
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      Before you carry the “propaganda blizzard”, sit with the calculator and count all the pros and cons (you still can’t do without Ukrainian transit, but the costs are less when building flows)
      LNG from the United States at best, only 1/10 of exports from Russia (profanity for people), but LNG is just energy, and without pipe gas the chemical industry will become ...

      What are you speaking about!? This “blizzard” is being launched by IPSOs with their Western leaders and their archers in Russia, either by meager stupidity or by directly opposing Russia's efforts. It is not for nothing that Putin (as the personification of Russia's current independent policy) stands across the West like Assad. Only the defeat of present-day Russia will allow the West to put Russia in the stall it needs. And for the defeat, all means are good. Hence the "snowstorm". Direct enemies will have a profit if they win, and the poor will even lose what they have.
      Mistakes and miscalculations .... And who does not have them? Let everyone figure out for themselves and remember that life is not only about victories.
      1. Rostislav Bely 3 January 2020 15: 21 New
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        Notice already with China, when delivering through the Power of Siberia, the Amur GPP will be built in Svobodny
        The plant’s design capacity is 42 billion cubic meters of gas per year, while reserve territories for two additional production lines that can increase the volume of finished products to 56 billion are laid down in the plan. The planned production of ethane is about 2,5 million tons per year, and propane is about 1 million tons, butane - about 500 thousand tons, pentane-hexane fraction - about 200 thousand tons (according to other sources, the Plant will extract the following fractions from natural gas up to 42 billion cubic meters per year: helium - up to 60 million m³ per year; ethane - about 2,5 million tons per year; propane - about 1 million tons per year; butane - about 500 thousand tons per year; pentane-hexane - about 200 thousand tons per year. Besides helium, the rest is for polypropylene polypropylene and other plastics)
        The year of opening is 2024. Full capacity is reached on January 1, 2025. According to Alexey Miller, in April 2021 the first phase of construction from two production lines will be commissioned, and each next December until 2025 it will be commissioned along the line.
        The number of jobs is about 3000. The plant area is 8,5 km².
  • kpd
    kpd 3 January 2020 09: 17 New
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    Incorrect wording - for 3 billion bucks, you can just buy something abroad and then place it in the country.
    1. Vadim237 3 January 2020 13: 29 New
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      With $ 3 billion, you can build 65 medium-sized enterprises if you take 3 billion rubles for each.
  • Alex Nevs 3 January 2020 09: 18 New
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    For the future expenses. I knew something like that would happen.
  • 2 Level Advisor 3 January 2020 10: 44 New
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    not 3 billion, but 6 .. the previous 3 never took away ..
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    1. Connor MacLeod 3 January 2020 22: 26 New
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      After the abolition of discounts in 2014, Ukraine annually overpays us for gas at $ 3-4 yards. That's why they sued in the Stockholm Arbitration, they wanted to sue $ 27 billion but received only $ 3 billion.

      Thus, over the past five years, the fat has been $ 15 - 20 yards. How much is it in Boreas?
      1. the lord 4 January 2020 13: 25 New
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        Sold without discounts is distributed to the needs and development of the biz. And not the defunct 27 lard-in the price of gas without discounts and therefore already distributed. And paid in court, the net loss withdrawn from circulation outside the plan, which will not return. Lost profits and prevented expenses are quite theoretical things. not taken into account in accounting. So Boreev in the 27 lards you mentioned is zero.
      2. ccsr 4 January 2020 19: 17 New
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        Quote: Connor MacLeod
        After the abolition of discounts in 2014, Ukraine annually overpays us for gas at $ 3-4 yards.

        This is not true - the discount on gas is a voluntary decision of the seller of gas, and not an obligation under the contract, so learn to separate flies from cutlets.
        Quote: Connor MacLeod
        That's why they sued in the Stockholm Arbitration, they wanted to sue $ 27 billion but received only $ 3 billion.

        They received three billion for short deliveries on transit, and not because they overpaid - you seem to be off topic.
        Quote: Connor MacLeod
        Thus, over the past five years, the fat has been $ 15 - 20 yards.

        There was no fat, and the discounts we voluntarily provided to Ukraine were simply canceled.
        No need to make high-profile statements if you have a poor idea of ​​where these or other amounts came from by a court decision.
    2. ccsr 4 January 2020 19: 12 New
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      I have already counted. $ 3 billion is 186 billion rubles, and the cost of the latest Borey missile submarine is 23 billion rubles.

      You’d better calculate how much we will receive for the sale of 65 billion cubic meters of gas in Europe and then compare how many boats we can build, even if the state receives $ 100 per thousand cubic meters per year. It turns out that twice as many boats can be built if you focus on your calculations - this is such arithmetic for beginners.
      So it becomes a pose for us, or take what happened calmly, and then bend your line, or send you to the Kremlin for work? Do not overdo it, if so you will consider all?
  • iouris 4 January 2020 16: 34 New
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    Quote: certero
    why are those who are to blame for the disruption of the construction of SP-2 and the loss to Ukraine in Stockholm unknown to us and not publicly punished.
    "End of quote.
    They did everything right. In the interest of shareholders. And Germany’s gas will most likely have its own. To achieve this goal and destroyed the USSR. And what to do with Germany, let them think in Washington.
  • Kunica 4 January 2020 19: 54 New
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    It was possible, but for some reason they did not build it. This money is not for the good, but for the good winked
  • Odysseus 3 January 2020 06: 07 New
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    The problem is that it is now unclear how to complete the SP-2. There are no ships of the required class physically. The Swiss refused. You can try to use the Academician Chersky, but whether it can cover the remaining 160 km is a big question. Even if you can get permission from Denmark this is a delay of one year. But this is the best option. The worst is a complete project stop.
    As for the assurance of the respected author that Gazprom will be able to recoup its losses, I would like to know where and on whom?
    1. Aliken 3 January 2020 06: 17 New
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      Drive Miller. I could not calculate the loss of the pipe layer, as if it were his personal one. And Switzerland should be charged, they abandoned the project, and fled, tail between them.
      1. 32363 3 January 2020 07: 03 New
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        Drive Miller. I could not calculate the loss of the pipe layer, as if it were his personal one. And Switzerland should be charged, they abandoned the project, and fled, tail between them.

        Are you a shareholder in this gesheft and have your own shekel from the pipe?
        1. Mordvin 3 3 January 2020 07: 18 New
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          Quote: 32363
          Are you a shareholder in this gesheft

          We have Vadik 237th, a shareholder. Now he wakes up right now, and will drive for the pipe. laughing
          1. Vadim237 3 January 2020 13: 33 New
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            Unlike you who have been sitting on the site since they’ve been wounded and don’t do nichrome — I’m at least a business, the pipe is no longer interesting — LNG is interesting.
            1. Mordvin 3 3 January 2020 13: 40 New
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              Quote: Vadim237
              I at least mind the business,

              Come on Vadik, a drum on your neck!
              Quote: Vadim237
              and nichrome not doing

              You will be surprised when I begin to list all my affairs.
              1. Vadim237 3 January 2020 13: 43 New
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                Trolling on the Internet is not a matter, considering that you are at VO since 7 in the morning you definitely have no other business - so I will have nothing to be surprised at.
                1. Mordvin 3 3 January 2020 14: 42 New
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                  Quote: Vadim237
                  so I won’t be surprised.

                  It’s a pity that you weren’t in my practice in students. I’d give you Mary Bath a twenty kilo. yes
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                    I had my own practice from repairing trucks and drilling equipment, to machine tools. Your practice compared to mine - sucks in the corner.
        2. dedusik 3 January 2020 17: 50 New
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          Quote: Aliken
          Drive Miller. I could not calculate the loss of the pipe layer, as if it were his personal one. And Switzerland should be charged, they abandoned the project, and fled, tail between them.

          Are you a shareholder in this gesheft and have your own shekel from the pipe?


          No, he has a personal pipe layer winked
      2. Odysseus 3 January 2020 07: 08 New
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        Quote: Aliken
        Drive Miller.

        I agree with you, but politically afraid it’s impossible
        Quote: Aliken
        I could not calculate the loss of the pipe layer, as if he was his personal

        The miscalculation looks just childish, and the Americans' actions that stopped the project right at the finish line are openly mocking. A rational explanation was simply that there were no other alternatives. There is no own production of ships, they could not find another supplier of the ship.
        Quote: Aliken
        And Switzerland should be charged, they abandoned the project, and fled, tail between them.

        You can, only the court will be in the same Western jurisdiction, the Swiss will probably point out force majeure. Well, of course, you need to look at what is specifically written in the contract.
        1. Avior 3 January 2020 09: 10 New
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          Vague doubts about the possibility of a lawsuit against the Swiss torment. They were not even just publicly voiced complaints. Either the problem was provided for in the contract, or there is another consideration - not only SP2 may fall under the sanction of the Americans, and if you put pressure on the Swiss, then the consideration in the Stockholm arbitration may well support the Swiss in the force majeure version, but attract in the future projects of foreigners will be more complicated, in any case they will require special conditions in the contract.
          hi
      3. donavi49 3 January 2020 10: 13 New
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        And Switzerland should be charged, they abandoned the project, and fled, tail between them.


        Gazprom hopes to develop a bunch of fields by Western companies. If you run into the Swiss. That will not be development. For no one wants to enter projects with such risks. Gazprom itself cannot.

        Plus, again - the Swiss will force majeure. And it will be watched in Geneva or Stockholm. Well, they’ll also decide to pay Gazprom 3 lard to the Swiss for reputational damage to the company and lost profits.
    2. Ingvar 72 3 January 2020 08: 36 New
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      Quote: Odyssey
      As for the assurance of the respected author that Gazprom will be able to recoup its losses, I would like to know where and on whom?

      Yes, there’s nothing to guess, we have all the costs to the Russian population.
      1. bessmertniy 3 January 2020 09: 07 New
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        It is necessary to imprison for such errors, regardless of whether the state official is to blame for the country and the people or a private entrepreneur. negative
  • ximkim 3 January 2020 06: 20 New
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    Yes .. These sanctions once again show that at present, Russia is a large gas station ... And the campaign, the Russian leadership is happy with it!
    1. Ross xnumx 3 January 2020 06: 46 New
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      Quote: ximkim
      Russia is a big gas station ... And the campaign, the Russian leadership is satisfied!

      Where did you see the management sitting at the gas station? belay lol
      1. Mordvin 3 3 January 2020 07: 22 New
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        Quote: ROSS 42
        Where did you see the management sitting at the gas station?

        Like I saw a caricature. Miller sits on a pipe, and mutters: "Everything is calm, everything is in the way, the whole country is a big Gazprom!"
        1. Ross xnumx 3 January 2020 08: 38 New
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          Like I saw a caricature. Miller sits on a pipe, and mutters: "Everything is calm, everything is in the way, the whole country is a big Gazprom!"

          It suits him better:
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  • certero 3 January 2020 07: 05 New
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    I could not calculate the loss of the pipe layer, as if it were his personal one. And Switzerland should be charged, they abandoned the project, and fled, tail between them.

    Exactly. What could not calculate the behavior of this company?
    Regarding the lawsuit, it seems that someone too “smart” also imposed sanctions as force majeure. So FIG you, not a lawsuit. But to make sure that one of the owners of the company does not feel too much fun for disrupting the project, Russia is able to. For others to be discouraged. But for this you need to have eggs ...
    Generally, than the USA well done - they act against specific persons. They would have the same Yatsenyuk for a long time in the Basmanny court would testify.
    1. bessmertniy 3 January 2020 09: 11 New
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      In principle, all the contractors in a contract signed the terms and obligations, for which they should receive money. If you have not completed the work, then you must under the contract and pay off the failure of obligations. They probably thought it was cheaper than US sanctions. what
  • The leader of the Redskins 3 January 2020 07: 19 New
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    Well, it’s not difficult to find out the author of the article ... I’ve been “touched” by several quotes ....
    Energy supply in Germany was in jeopardy.
    Why? Prior to this, using the transit of the gas transportation system of Ukraine, Germany felt fine. Or does the author think that some supergas should go through SP2?
    And also ...
    As a result, Russia and Germany with their friends and SP-2
    I would like to know more about friends ... Who are they? Why are they so quiet that you can’t hear about them? ...
    1. Avior 3 January 2020 09: 15 New
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      Here, it surprised me too
      Europe will get every kind of gas, including Germany. Received before that.
      Several large firms participating in SP2 will receive slightly less profit, but it seems that they are not very indignant, in any case, their disturbances are not very audible
      1. parusnik 3 January 2020 09: 37 New
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        We forget one more thing, Ukraine is in debt, like in silk ... Debts are growing. To repay is not what ... And if they repay, then by re-lending ... Where can I get money by the "legal" means? ... Yes, from Russia. ..How? If SP2 is completed, Ukraine will be left without money for transit .. And so .. the imposition of sanctions, extension of the agreement, the money went to Ukraine to pay off debts to the West .... Therefore, no one is particularly outraged by US sanctions against SP2
        1. Avior 3 January 2020 11: 56 New
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          Formally, German companies invested in SP2 and are interested in making a profit - the money seemed to hang, and considerable.
          But in fact they are silent for some reason, like the German leadership. But for some reason, a mystery.
          Nobody bothers them publicly, including Americans, but if such disturbances exist, they are hardly noticeable and purely formal.
          And the question arises, on whose real money was SP2 built? Why are the Germans silent if they have lost a large amount indefinitely? Interest on a loan for the construction of something should drip?
          But all these subtleties are a mystery covered in darkness, one guesses are continuoussmile
          As for the growing debts of Ukraine, it became like a ritual phrase straight.
          but if you look at the real numbers, the picture is somewhat different.
          in fact, the state debt of Ukraine in dollar terms in absolute terms has not changed much for many years from 73 at the beginning of 2014, in the last month of Yanukovych, to 82 in 2019, the debt has grown, but not so much, there are more subtleties in the hryvnia rate- it floats and debt floats in the hryvnia, that's where the numbers change a lot.
          but the debt in relation to GDP, as it is customary to evaluate in the world, has been falling quite steadily in Ukraine since 2016 and last year makes up about 60 percent of GDP, this year it will be even lower in terms of numbers, and GDP is growing steadily.
          https://index.minfin.com.ua/finance/debtgov/
          It, of course, is important not who lends, but who believes smile but the forecasts of 2014 that will freeze and fall apart, in the current situation, the figures do not really say that.
          Well, there, everyone looks at it according to their views, it is difficult to argue with questions of faith, as you understand smile
          hi
          1. Dart2027 3 January 2020 12: 53 New
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            But for some reason, a mystery.
            Nobody bothers them publicly, including Americans, but if such disturbances exist, they are hardly noticeable and purely formal

            Because the Germans are well aware that shaking the air will not change anything. But what they will do with it is another question.
            1. Avior 3 January 2020 12: 55 New
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              while neither words nor deeds are visible.
              and what’s problematic is simply to state your position, accusing the USA of losing money, if these losses really happened?
              1. Dart2027 3 January 2020 13: 00 New
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                Quote: Avior
                while neither words nor deeds are visible.

                In the end, Denmark was broken, a loophole leading it out from antitrust sanctions was invented, so there are things.
                Quote: Avior
                and what’s problematic is simply to state your position, accusing the USA of losing money

                What `s next? When you accuse someone of having been thrown, you admit that you are a sucker. It doesn’t sound very beautiful, but this is the essence, therefore all states very carefully make such statements - either when there is no choice, or when it is beneficial, but otherwise as in the cartoon:
                "smile and wave guys"
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qnl-yBZwujM
                1. Avior 3 January 2020 13: 45 New
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                  About the fact that Denmark "broke" never read.
                  Throw a link, it will be interesting to read?
                  1. Dart2027 3 January 2020 15: 24 New
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                    Quote: Avior
                    About the fact that Denmark "broke"

                    Denmark first refused to lay pipes in its waters, and then suddenly agreed. It is a fact. The question is why? Just because the left leg so wanted or because there were negotiations between serious people, what do you think?
                    1. Avior 3 January 2020 16: 42 New
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                      I think that if there are no facts, that pressure was exerted on her, it cannot be argued, all the more so that they
                      They themselves were interested, there their gas pipeline would run across, they needed permission
                      But they dragged on the procedure as much as possible, as a result, even without the sanctions of the Americans, but the New Year would not have time to fully launch
                      1. Dart2027 3 January 2020 17: 24 New
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                        They themselves were interested, there their gas pipeline would run across, they needed permission
                        But they dragged on the procedure as much as possible, as a result, even without the sanctions of the Americans, but the New Year would not have time to fully launch

                        Have you tried to read yourself? First, you assure them that they themselves need it, and then admit that they tried to tighten the construction as much as possible. What is it like?
                        Either they are not quite adequate people, or they were well pressed from the USA. And since the United States does not reduce its pressure, the question arises, or who convinced them?
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                        It’s simple, they need the pipeline, but they don’t desperately need it; therefore, they pulled as much as they could in favor of the Amrs. Surely, they got some kind of nishtyak thread from the amers. Wolves fed their food. You could have guessed it yourself if you hadn’t been involved in confusion.
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                        because in favor of the Amrs pulled as much as they could. Surely, they got some kind of nishtyak thread from amers

                        And the Americans are such suckers that it rolled. Judge by yourself?
                      4. the lord 19 January 2020 12: 34 New
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                        And are the Americans really suckers after that? Yes, you show cosmic stupidity with such childish counterarguments)))) Everyone would like to be such a sucker as the Americans. when they also serve you on their own initiative))
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                        Quote: znavel
                        And are the Americans really suckers after that?

                        In your words, yes.
                      6. the lord 11 February 2020 06: 46 New
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                        Learn Russian - according to my words, it turns out that Americans are so suckers that everyone would like to be such a sucker. So, I hope you will understand more. And the childishness that you fall into, trying to twist everything that is understandable, is already going wild.
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                        Quote: znavel
                        they need an amim pipeline but not desperately, because they pulled as much as they could in favor of the amrs

                        Translated into Russian, they were going to give in from the very beginning, but they wanted to cut down the money from the Americans, who have little benefit from this delay in launching.
                      8. the lord 18 February 2020 11: 58 New
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                        Why doesn’t it give much, they’re building their own terminals. And it’s quite affordable for amers to work after creating the necessary infrastructure in minus several years. But it may be problematic for us to trade gas even after the completion of construction of sp2. That will be fun. if Europe bends under amers, right? Don’t forget our argument by then?
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                        Why doesn’t it give much, they’re building their own terminals.

                        Germans? Delaying the construction of the joint venture will delay its launch for a maximum of a year, and that is unlikely, and the United States needs much more.
                      10. the lord 18 February 2020 12: 23 New
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                        Yes, amers need less. to create the necessary infra and in the course of it becomes more acceptable for Europeans, since it does not threaten them with any sanctions. And the Americans will be able to offer a favorable price for their gas, even for several years, and everyone will agree, and even admire us. But you could, having fit into such complex technological projects, provide yourself with your equipment in advance. Not so expensive, and not difficult. Only the country is not ruled by patriots at all.
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                        to create the necessary info

                        And then what? No need to consider the Germans illiterate - they know how to, and gas from Russia will be anyway cheaper.
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                        And Americans can offer a favorable price for their gas

                        Something is not working out yet.
                      12. the lord 19 February 2020 18: 22 New
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                        Do not consider the Germans overly bold. All recently, they have been demonstrating submission to the will of the United States. And the amers have the opportunity to offer a favorable price, but right now it doesn’t work out, and so far it’s not offered, the infrastructure is not ready, but that’s already being arranged. And in the future, a variant with the control of amers for sp2 can be proposed. And it turns out that we will hand over a considerable share. In the light of our decisions, this option in recent years is quite in the spirit of the times.
  • 32363 3 January 2020 13: 30 New
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    But in fact they are silent for some reason, like the German leadership. But why is the mystery

    in Germany, according to media reports, that Russia at its own expense is pulling pipes, they agreed.
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      Then the situation is clear, German companies didn’t risk anything at all, it turns out
  • New Year day 3 January 2020 07: 26 New
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    ... Gazprom, as a supplier of energy resources, will be able to recoup its Stockholm losses.

    how?
    for 5 years prescribed by the new agreement, Ukraine receives $ 15 billion for transit at new prices, and the lower the transit, the higher the pumping price. In fact, Ukraine receives from Gazprom the sum of all its claims filed. Gazprom is losing this money + new costs due to a stuck laying of 160 km of pipe. Force majeure is always unaccounted for costs, these are the rules of life.
    1. bessmertniy 3 January 2020 09: 16 New
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      I must agree with you - when it is possible for Russia not to pay for this generally unprofitable transit, the signing of such an agreement looks like a rollback to international racketeering. negative
  • Strashila 3 January 2020 07: 42 New
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    Our politicians need to learn from the American president to uphold the interests of the state. That they gave sanctions, an agreement was concluded with Ukraine with the payment of money by a muddy court decision, which means that part of the money will go to America to bribe a high-ranking official under the guise of lobbying, the same will be from Poland for maintaining the volume of gas transit to Germany. Germany indicated her place, that she is no one if the interests of America prevail. American oil and gas producers received a pipe layer to solve their interests, and this will not be forgotten.
    All this is a good example of how to correctly raise money, namely to raise, and not to cut mindlessly.
    For good against this background, the government had to ban the increase in tariffs on the territory of the country for a year, at least, recall Primakov with a kind word.
    Legislatively introduce the deduction of all the jambs from the payment of dividends and premium government officials.
    1. New Year day 3 January 2020 08: 11 New
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      Our politicians need to learn from the American president to defend the interests of the state

      This is what the True separation of the branches of power does, and not the universal "approved" and knee-elbow pose with us.
      We have loyalty to the leader and tons of flattery are more important than the interests of the country and the logic of life
      1. Dart2027 3 January 2020 11: 18 New
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        This is what True separation of powers does.

        It's just that the United States is currently the dominant power in the Western world and can build the same Switzerland. The rest is demagogy.
  • rocket757 3 January 2020 07: 57 New
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    The Yankees stubbornly, without reckoning with anyone, created their OWN WORLD! Now they enjoy the fruits of the work done !!! Hope that you can resist MI without doing the same or better WORK, this is completely naive!
    1. Alex Nevs 3 January 2020 10: 02 New
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      The fruits are rotten. The destruction of foreign countries in a hybrid way by the world community is noticed. And this is their only way to roam. As soon as the Russian Federation begins to "poke its nose" - to slow down further robbery of countries, the civil war begins.
      1. rocket757 3 January 2020 10: 24 New
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        We scold them, do not scold them ..... the fact has taken place.
        It is necessary to DO YOUR BUSINESS, stubbornly, reliably, the game is long. What the result will be ... I can’t guess, everything is very muddy.
    2. Alex Nevs 3 January 2020 18: 43 New
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      Mistake The work was done by capital. At stake only! money. As an example, they simply cannot give birth, either IVF or foster care from behind a hillock, because. their poisoned pishch.addavimami .... GMOs .... Well, and geopolitics. - so everyone becomes clear, they will DROP! And the Russian Federation for the future, not everything is decided by money.
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        Mistake The work was done by capital. At stake only! money.

        Money is power, power is money!
        The well-known postulate, BUT, not everything is so simple, quite a lot of blurry, hidden.
        An ideology cannot be built on money alone, one must still be able to play on the "strings" of the human soul, be able to control the desires and aspirations of man.
        Man, a rather complicated tool. Human society, a complex "orchestra"! We must be able to conduct them, besides just trying to measure everything with money, they will replace it.
  • thinker 3 January 2020 08: 02 New
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    You can try to use the "Academician Chersky", but ...

    And these BUT the further, the more. The announced tender says a lot -
    No. 43052800 Date of placement: 30.12.19
    Tender description: Retrofitting of the vessel with welding and technological equipment "Academician Chersky" in preparation for the project "Arrangement of the Kirinskoye gas and condensate field" (adjustment 2) with the possibility of further attraction at the South Kirinskoye field
    1. Mordvin 3 3 January 2020 08: 46 New
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      Quote: thinker
      Description of the tender: Performance of work on retrofitting with the welding and technological equipment of the ship "Academic Chersky"

      Heh, I read Chersky’s tender a week ago. They bought textbooks on navigation. laughing
      1. Avior 3 January 2020 09: 18 New
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        For navigation in the Far East or in the Baltic Sea?
        An important nuance for further understanding of the situation.
        It turns out from the previous post that for the time being it will work on the Far East.
        1. Mordvin 3 3 January 2020 09: 23 New
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          Quote: Avior
          For navigation in the Far East or in the Baltic Sea?

          But the devil knows them. As I understand it, community cards are over 60 thousand. Well, in the load of VHF radio stations for half a million.
          1. Avior 3 January 2020 11: 59 New
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            with VHF it is clear that they are needed everywhere, but with maps and locations it would be interesting to know.
            If for the Baltic, it’s a sign, not the boat to wander back and forth across the oceans
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              but with maps and locations it would be interesting to know.

              Until December 25, purchases were hanging there.
              1. Avior 3 January 2020 12: 11 New
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                On the one hand, they announced before the state sanctions, and on the other, prepared for the possible? you can only guess for now
                Unfortunately, I did not find about textbooks, only for retrofitting
                https://www.korabel.ru/news/comments/na_doosnaschenie_truboukladochnogo_sudna_akademik_cherskiy_vydelili_873_5_mln_rubley.html
  • parusnik 3 January 2020 08: 31 New
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    At the end, I waited. An explanation from Kamenev ...
    London court may follow the Stockholm path
    .... These are two different lawsuits in their subject matter ...
    but then the West and its financial system will lose their reputation in a non-Western world, and Russia may declare the West a non-legal community.
    ... And how would it look, I would like to know?
    1. Kronos 3 January 2020 13: 30 New
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      Yes, it will always be exactly the opposite in Kamenev’s forecasts
  • mmaxx 3 January 2020 08: 46 New
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    Where a lot of money is involved, there will always be big problems. The way Gazprom conducts business, it is clear that he knows how to get out. Nothing wrong. Here is luck, here is failure. Ukrainian transit, albeit superfluous, will make it possible to keep exports at the same level. During this time, deal with SP-2. All the same, the Americans will not deliver anything to Europe. Incomparable volumes of gas in general.
    1. bessmertniy 3 January 2020 09: 22 New
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      Americans are divorced from Eurasia, and therefore, even in a very distant future, they will not be able to compete with the commodity markets of Asia and Europe. The sanctions against Nord Stream 2 are a temporary US victory in a trade war. But ultimately the victory will be ours. hi
  • maden.usmanow 3 January 2020 09: 08 New
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    The author greatly overestimates the importance of SP2 for Germany. Gas would be cheaper, it’s true, but the American market is more important than the pipe for the Germans.
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      Think only for today.
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  • K-50 3 January 2020 09: 21 New
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    Almost at the same time, the United States, through special services, gives Moscow information about upcoming terrorist attacks in St. Petersburg - an incredible fact, given the current relations between Washington and Moscow

    They themselves could have cooked, and then decided to turn in their accomplices.
    It’s hard for others to explain how it was seen from overseas that our special services “missed”.
  • steelmaker 3 January 2020 09: 23 New
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    "Say who your friend is and I will say who you are." Good saying, right? Putin does not give up! Here is the answer to all the shame and no respect for Russia. Russia is only allowed to sell its resources, but it is forbidden to buy strategic objects, etc. So that the Baltic states did not arise, it was possible to buy everything and not to bathe with ports, and railway. But they didn’t allow it, as Ukraine doesn’t allow it now. These pipelayers could also be bought together with firms before building the SP-2. It’s bad, but even worse when the Russian government agrees. And I won’t be surprised if Gazprom is sold to the USA in order to complete the SP-2. After all, Deripaska sold all aluminum to the USA to the USA? Until 2024, it seems they will sell all of Russia?
  • Positiv 3 January 2020 09: 29 New
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    Moscow is still trying to create the Moscow-Berlin axis against US sanction pressure.

    Late ... Gazprom recently "sold" a large block of shares to an "unknown" investor .... So now our gas will be traded right and left .. Soon gas tariffs will rise in Russia ... We need to beat back the losses., Due to of the people.
    1. Snail N9 3 January 2020 10: 20 New
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      In fact, they sold on the sly the "national heritage" and prepared a list of enterprises, companies and banks for "privatization", as they deftly called a bastard sale.
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        In fact, they sold on the sly the "national heritage" and prepared a list of enterprises, companies and banks for "privatization", as they deftly called a bastard sale.

        They were forced to do this ... hi After all, Russia is not the USSR, alas. hi
        We resist, as we can and are looking for allies!
  • Alex Nevs 3 January 2020 09: 40 New
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    Only one mistake! Some "gingerbread". Where's the “whip”? Yes, nowhere. On some gingerbread-IRON STUPOR. And you got this stupor. Knut is never seen. A "feedback" "head with tail" is certainly very good, BUT !!!! Under such conditions (and there will be no other conditions physically) the "Head" will not pull (also physically) - it will simply stall (fall asleep). Here the symbiosis of capitalism with ala socialism, the so-called "just state" will not work. Only add a “Whip” and only from feedback (not direct communication!). Brezhnev stagnation. At the next meeting of the chapters already "... it is necessary ... it is necessary .. it is necessary .....". Directly 26th Congress of the CPSU. It's time to change the method - not hunting. The tops are accustomed and everything suits. But global issues, the GDP team decides everything correctly! Moreover, for the future. And tactics are right there. The main strategy.
    1. Mordvin 3 3 January 2020 09: 47 New
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      GDP team decides everything right!

      Oh, bastard ...
      1. Alex Nevs 3 January 2020 09: 53 New
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        I saw nothing there. How many jokes and what about Brezhnev. But the USSR remembers everything (not stagnant). Stagnation will be ahead. Why? Read above.
        1. Mordvin 3 3 January 2020 09: 58 New
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          How many jokes and what about Brezhnev.

          Well, I dragged Brezhnev's portrait at school on November XNUMXth.
  • Sergst 3 January 2020 09: 48 New
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    Quote: Silvestr

    for 5 years prescribed by the new agreement, Ukraine receives $ 15 billion for transit at new prices, and the lower the transit, the higher the pumping price. In fact, Ukraine receives from Gazprom the sum of all its claims filed. Gazprom is losing this money + new costs due to a stuck laying of 160 km of pipe. Force majeure is always unaccounted for costs, these are the rules of life.

    In fact, the Ukrainian side announced that in five years it would receive 225 billion dollars for the minimum pumping volume of 7,2 billion cubic meters. $ 15 billion - this is for 85-90 billion cubic meters per year, right?
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      voiced that they expect 7,2 billion profit in the budget.
      But after all, the contents of the GTS and pumping work also cost money.
      and how do you know the new gas pumping rates?
      they didn’t seem to be announced?
      1. Sergst 3 January 2020 12: 43 New
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        Rates of $ 32 per thousand cubic meters are obtained from a total of $ 7,2 billion for a minimum amount. Yes, the price is not official, but Ukraine is unlikely to underestimate payments in its favor. By the way, these prices for pumping are not higher than the previous ones, as Ukraine wanted, and even a little less. For some cents, but less.
  • Snail N9 3 January 2020 09: 53 New
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    Oh, something new appears in the description of the situation with SP-2, before they “leaned” on the next runway from which “Russia will only gain” and “nothing bad happened, Germany will help us and complete it on time” .... Now I look at the disc, but they changed it, otherwise it’s completely clear who they look in the eyes of the Russians, they changed it to “the force majeure of pan-European and American politics" ..... well, yes, everything is true, "force majeure, the elements, where already." ..... yeah.
    1. Alex Nevs 3 January 2020 10: 06 New
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      wassat Do not you see an elementary setup? "translation of arrows". Yes, and guessing on secret (hidden) materials from the average person like that .... Germany also invested. And ... What are her thoughts in the head?
  • Sapsan136 3 January 2020 10: 06 New
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    It’s stupid and criminal to bet on Zelensky ... He’s nobody, he has no army, no money ... He’s a poor clown, elected with the money of the Bandera oligarch Kolomoisky ...
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      Zelensky chose the people, hoping for his role with a gun in the parliament. And he is actually an artist! not a politician.
  • Ros 56 3 January 2020 10: 28 New
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    What are you talking about, last year I was blamed for the negativity of those in power regarding precisely SP-2, when striped sanctions were introduced.
  • Gardamir 3 January 2020 10: 33 New
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    The notorious "cat threw cats" turned in the opposite direction, now Switzerland, Denmark and the USA are to blame. Only here is the question of Messrs. Putin and his team, sitting down at the political chess, did not know that they would put the check. So who is responsible? It is clear that the opponents are playing their game, why on our part is the game a giveaway?
  • vladimirvn 3 January 2020 10: 34 New
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    And let's calculate how much useful things could be built in Russia for 3 billion bucks. And why are those who are to blame for the disruption of the construction of the SP-2 and the loss to Ukraine in Stockholm unknown to us and not publicly punished.

    They consider them their money. Nothing useful for you and me, they would not have built here, anyway. But the state will compensate for losses from taxes by raising taxes within the country.
    1. 2 Level Advisor 3 January 2020 10: 54 New
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      not by 3, but by 6 billion. 3 more previously awarded to Russia did not qualify, so they already paid 6 and the campaign to make ends ... this is despite the fact that the Crimean bridge cost about 4 billion, we Ukraine already 1,5 bridges presented
  • 123456789 3 January 2020 10: 50 New
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    For such mistakes it’s necessary to plant

    and immediately on the count laughing
    1. 123456789 3 January 2020 12: 04 New
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      Gazprom's top management has caused reputational damage to the country, not to mention material losses, and should go away, at least for loss of confidence
      1. Snail N9 3 January 2020 13: 21 New
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        C'mon about the top management, "hard workers for the good of Russia." They go and get a prize of several hundred million, according to the results of their activities for the year .... but, they didn’t give us the "13 salary" prize, referring to the "poor economic situation and lack of funds" ....
  • Azimuth 3 January 2020 13: 21 New
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    Quote: Odyssey
    Quote: Aliken
    Drive Miller.

    I agree with you, but politically afraid it’s impossible
    Quote: Aliken
    I could not calculate the loss of the pipe layer, as if he was his personal

    The miscalculation looks just childish, and the Americans' actions that stopped the project right at the finish line are openly mocking. A rational explanation was simply that there were no other alternatives. There is no own production of ships, they could not find another supplier of the ship.
    Quote: Aliken
    And Switzerland should be charged, they abandoned the project, and fled, tail between them.

    You can, only the court will be in the same Western jurisdiction, the Swiss will probably point out force majeure. Well, of course, you need to look at what is specifically written in the contract.

    Well, in Russia there are no levers of pressure on the USA. Not the USSR. Swallowed. Not deadly. And not the last time. BEAT WILL. Move on.
  • 123456789 3 January 2020 13: 45 New
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    Well, there are no levers of pressure on the USA in Russia


    We have the means. We are not smart enough. And political will
  • opus 3 January 2020 22: 34 New
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    As a result, Russia and Germany with their friends and SP-2 are situationally in the same boat against US sanctions. This is an important episode in the unfolding Great European game for gas and its delivery routes.

    good
    The impression is that the article by Soloviev, which Volodya wrote, or Kisilev, Dimon ....

    Quote: Victor Kamenev
    Moscow is still trying to create the Moscow-Berlin axis.

    Berlin is not aware of this
    1. ccsr 4 January 2020 19: 22 New
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      Berlin is not aware of this

      And we will inflate them with gas so that they will become like a soccer ball, and then we will set the desired course for them with a kick, and they will fly wherever we need, because they will immediately like the profit from the position of the gas hub.
  • viktordoubovitski 4 January 2020 00: 00 New
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    Quote: certero
    And let's calculate how much useful things could be built in Russia for 3 billion bucks. And why are those who are to blame for the disruption of the construction of the SP-2 and the loss to Ukraine in Stockholm unknown to us and not publicly punished.

    And I’m not interested in the names of those responsible for the disruption of construction. I am interested in the AMOUNTS of PENALTIES presented by Russia to firms that have disrupted the contract for the construction of the pipeline. How MUCH are they MORE than the sanctions that COULD have been imposed by the world swine from overseas?
  • Nikolai Korovin 4 January 2020 00: 46 New
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    Dear Colleagues! If I don’t understand something, explain. For some reason, everyone views the situation with European gas as a deflection of Russia and GDP personally, and the beneficiary is The United States of America. For some reason, the situation does not seem so straightforward to me. What was the introduction? SP-1 operates at half capacity, construction of SP-2 is disrupted, there will be no Ukrainian transit, Turkish flow is blocked by Bulgaria.

    The beneficiaries are the United States, which sells its LNG to everyone in connection with this situation, as well as Poland, which intensively buys it and resells it profitably, including Tse Europe, since there is neither transit nor supplies from the Russian Federation. In general, full seams, civilian LNG steers.
    And now let's take a look at what happened.

    1. Firstly, there is transit. And in very decent volumes for 2020. 65 billion cubic meters. The contract provides for 2021 billion for 40. What does this mean? It seems that transit and half of SP-1 cover the needs of Europe, not to mention the fact that Bulgaria already receives 3 billion cubic meters through the Turkish stream. Little, but apparently, is happening, in the language of economists, the diversification of gas flows through Russia, which takes time.

    2. The Turkish flow is still distributed in Bulgaria, but obviously, volumes will soon increase, and, as promised to the Serbs, it will reach Serbia, which will no longer depend on Ukrainian transit.

    3. Next. A decrease in transit to 40 billion cubic meters in 2021 implies that either SP-1 will work at full capacity, or SP-2 will be completed, or both, and generally, although it seems to be unnecessary. In addition, Ukraine rejected all claims against Gazprom except that which the Stockholm arbitration had already unequivocally awarded. This is also not so little.

    4. So who, under whom, did he bend over here? In burnout Poland. The terminals are built, everything is ready to receive life-giving American gas, and neither Germany nor Tse Europe needs it in the foreseeable future. Downtime of terminals is a net loss. Payback is delayed.

    5. The estimated primary beneficiary is the United States. He built LNG plants and a fleet for its transportation. In Europe, it turns out, is not needed yet. And when will it be needed? Part-1 SP-1 and contract deliveries satisfy the needs, and again, there is a real prospect that SP-36 will work at full capacity. For several years, China has already reduced LNG purchases from 18 to XNUMX billion cubic meters, and here is the Power of Siberia.

    6. Maybe Japan will buy LNG? But there is as much to it as the United States can offer in connection with the foregoing, it seems to be useless. Factories and the fleet are idle or operate at a maximum of 30-40% of capacity. Investors are unhappy. Dividends can be viewed under a microscope (of course, regarding the size of the investment. Whoever has cabbage soup empty and wholesome pearls.). Maybe the Czech Republic will help? You can expect everything from Czech brothers. Well, they might and would like, but not enough opportunities. Better not to meddle - it is still unknown how things will turn out.

    7. So it turns out that Gazprom is the master of the situation. There is at least a year to complete the SP-2 in accordance with the transit contract. And if SP-1 starts working at full capacity, then you can still do it - anyway, there is already a contract for the next 4 years for 40 billion cubic meters + maybe about 30 billion cubic meters through SP-1 - more than enough. SP-2 in the presence of a transit contract is, in fact, a backup option and a reserve for the future.

    It’s hard to say how beneficial it is for Russia to strategically sell gas in such quantities. But the tactical gain, in my opinion, is obvious. If anyone does not agree, please break me down.

    Well, about gold. It turns out that they would give it back if there was something. Nothing.
    But this, of course, is a dark matter.
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    It became even funny. What kind of legal community are we talking about where only politics rules? Everything to friends, the rest of the law is not our invention.
  • certero 4 January 2020 04: 52 New
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    Gas would be cheaper, it’s true, but the American market is more important than the pipe for the Germans.

    These are completely different forces, one is profitable for the American market, the other is cheaper gas. Those companies that will sell Russian gas to the domestic German market will export absolutely nothing to the United States.
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    Economic reality. The “accountants”, the ruling ball in Russia, are not able to take into account the real risks; for them, the risks are changes in the price of oil and the ruble exchange rate depending on oil and oil products in US storage. In addition, they firmly believe in the free movement of finances and services in the capitalist market, and free competition. Baby talk if not to say nonsense.
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    Quote: Connor MacLeod
    After the abolition of discounts in 2014, Ukraine annually overpays us for gas at $ 3-4 yards. That's why they sued in the Stockholm Arbitration, they wanted to sue $ 27 billion but received only $ 3 billion.

    Thus, over the past five years, the fat has been $ 15 - 20 yards. How much is it in Boreas?

    Quote: Connor MacLeod
    After the abolition of discounts in 2014, Ukraine annually overpays us for gas at $ 3-4 yards. That's why they sued in the Stockholm Arbitration, they wanted to sue $ 27 billion but received only $ 3 billion.

    Thus, over the past five years, the fat has been $ 15 - 20 yards. How much is it in Boreas?

    Since 2015, Ukraine has not been purchasing gas directly from Russia. And Europe goes to Europe.