The prototype IL-114-300 was shown in a new livery

On the other hand, civilian Dash is not a fact that will suit the military. But Il can continue to be upgraded. In terms of composites, the horse did not lie there. And the purely civilian market for such aircraft in the Russian Federation is not so large as to make a comm machine for it initially.

And this will happen in automatic mode, similar to how automatic updating of software products is being done now - you won’t have time to blink.


They will need the complete collapse of the entire life of the country, and no one has been hiding this for a long time. The example of Iranian centrifuges proved this clearly.

Okay. One small southern country buys an F-35 and changes the entire electronic content in it, just to exclude this possibility. Since they did it, maybe Russia will be able to replace the stuffing with Dash? Moreover, there all mechanical control.

I do not call for a specific “Dash” to buy at the expense of our technology. The approach itself needs to be reviewed. It will be so cheaper. Although maybe this is what someone does not need.

Are you 100% sure of this? Do not make me laugh.

There is only one approach - we need a mass plane for internal lines and this should be a domestic product.

I repeat once again. Domestic lines do not need a plane yet. Given the existing realities, economic and legislative, there are no airlines for this aircraft. If there were - private companies would import Dash and ATR. But they do not import, and not at all for patriotic reasons.

Can you justify this conclusion taking into account the size of our territory? At least reasonable reasons should be given why we do not need this plane.

You forgot about state subsidies - for example, as you did for the Far East for certain categories of passengers, compensating for the cost of tickets.

Preferential taxation on the purchase of domestic equipment is the usual method - that’s the solution.
There will be state support, and some companies will readily take up domestic lines - for example, tax breaks or a decrease in the cost of refueling domestic aircraft to some extent they may be of interest.

Yes Easy. Do you see many regional routes with us now? Where there is still, everyone at the subsidies finish off the old AN-24. Which is quite expensive to operate. Large crew, and kerosene eats a lot. There are almost no regional routes in the most populated European part of the region. It turns out that those airlines that fly it are not ready to pay money for the plane, even taking into account the fact that it will be more economical. I think the second-hand "dash" is in every way cheaper than the new IL, even with subsidies. But for some reason they don’t buy them, and they don’t even take them on lease.

The country needs a plane. At least Il, at least Dash. If only he flew, and drove. It does not need airlines and authorities.
Here you are talking about state support. And where is she now, this state support? Or will it be only in a few years, when the party of Ilov will be done? We generally support whom? A plant, design bureaus, which only absorb budgets for a decade, but cannot make an airplane? Or do you still need to support the population so that it can fly, and not slip on a winter road in a right-handed jeep?

Hundreds - for example, at least regional centers and flights between them, or flights to the southern regions from the European part in the summer - Anapa, Rostov, Novorossiysk, Simferopol, etc. I’m not even talking about Siberia and the Far East - regional transport needs to be revived there.

I think that you simply do not own the information, and do not understand how our AvtoVAZ has not yet died, but is producing better and better domestic cars. Have you heard about the "rent an old car" program and get a discount on a new one? What prevents us from doing this in aviation?
It's good that you and I understand that.

They must be driven into a situation that it will be more profitable for them to buy our plane.

Scientific, technical and production personnel in the country, and this is the most important thing for us. And airplanes are just a tool for their development - this is the way those who are accustomed to systematically solve state problems in Soviet times think.

So we won’t succeed. They will not create a competitive airplane that will compete with the ATR, which was originally designed for low-cost transportation. While there is no demand, neither the design bureau nor the plant are interested in doing it in a high-quality and modern way. It is necessary not to support design bureaus, but to create conditions for transportation. Then the design bureau will catch up. Otherwise, we will have flying AvtoVAZ - expensive and stupid. Lada we are more expensive than the same Lada in Germany !!!


No need to drive anyone anywhere, for God's sake! Tickets will cost more than to the moon!
Here we take a conditional flight of 400-500 km. As a good example in real life - Moscow - Nizhny Novgorod. By train you can travel for about 1000 rubles and 4 hours. The time is the same as on the plane (hour to get to the airport, hour to check-in, control, waiting for boarding, hour of flight and hour of disembarkation, baggage claim and road to the city.). Can any airline offer tickets at a price of no more than, say, 1500 rubles? Something seems to me - hardly. Therefore, in the central region, regional flights will have little demand, only in places where there are no direct ground connections. Another thing is Siberia, where there are fewer roads on the map, but even here the economic factor becomes important. Our country turns pale, unfortunately, for many years in a row, and tower money to pay for a ticket, simply because otherwise it can, fewer people can.


In fact, AvtoVAZ has not been producing domestic cars for a long time. These are crafts on the units of the budget line of Renault, completely not corresponding to the money that is being asked for. And they are domestic only at the location of the plant. The last VAZ car was Kalina2. Although, again, the plant is powerful and can produce excellent cars. But he is ruined by state support and barrage duties on foreign cars.

With our size of the territory, we have all the conditions for mass transportation of passengers on domestic routes.

That’s why it’s cheaper than many Western cars here - so compare by our market, and not what happens abroad. By the way, there basically "Niva" was quoted earlier, so this is not an indicator.

And Nizhny Novgorod-Volgograd (Chelyabinsk, Omsk, Vorkuta, etc.)
will not consider? Why do you focus on high-speed highways only in Moscow?

Volvo trucks generally only comprise 20% of Swedish components, but they do not soar from this. Why do we need to invent an extra headache if something can be bought cheaper abroad than to establish such a production of components at home? This is not a defense industry, so you need to bother with this less.

I think that this is not the "Horns and Hoofs" office, but a city-forming enterprise and it still provides our competitive car, which means cutting the chicken early. Yes, and we must take into account that we have always lagged behind in the auto industry, therefore the only way to catch up is lost, there is no other way.

And are Swedish truckers forced to buy Volvo, setting a 100% duty on Mercedes, Man or Iveco?
That is why Volvo is considered one of the best cars.
And if supported, it would be possible to drive any slag on sale, would buy from hopelessness.

I don’t know this, but the fact that every country that produces its own cars helps its manufacturers with customs tariffs is obvious.

I do not argue with this - maybe we need to strive for this?