The prototype IL-114-300 was shown in a new livery

Employees of the S.V. Ilyushin Aviation Complex painted the first prototype IL-114-300. The aircraft received a unique livery for participation in the upcoming test and certification flights. This is reported by the website of the enterprise.

According to the director of the Il-114 program Maxim Kuzmenko, this color of the aircraft will help "determine the appearance and composition of the coatings to be used on the serial Il-114-300." He also recalled the critical importance for the coating to have special protective properties: high weather resistance, strength and elasticity.

It is planned to begin ground and then flight tests of the first prototype IL-114-300 next year. At the end of 2020, it is planned to connect the Il-114-300 aircraft assembled at the LAZ them. P. A. Voronin

- said the General Director of PJSC "Il" Yuri Grudinin.

According to him, in 2022 it is supposed to complete the certification of the machine, and from 2023 to begin its serial deliveries.

It is expected that the latest IL-114-300 will replace the aging An-24 and a number of similar foreign vehicles. It is separately noted that the aircraft is being created in cooperation with the most advanced Russian enterprises.

Comments

[Vadim 91]

You guys want, but I really like it !!! Handsome.

[Vadim 91]

It is planned to install two TV7-117CM turboprop engines (power 2650 hp) on the aircraft with low-noise six-bladed propellers SV-34.03 [35], auxiliary power unit TA-1 and digital flight and navigation system TsPNK-114M2.

[Errr]

The car is competent. Only now they are going to put TV7-117ST engines on it (with a power on takeoff mode of 2800 hp), the same as on the Il-112V.

[d ^ Amir]

correct the amateur, but is unification bad?

[Errr]

So, I didn’t mean that it was bad. Just a little adjusted comment Vadim 91.

[Sky strike fighter]

In my opinion, the TV7-117ST-01 engine for IL-114-300.

The Russian Ministry of Industry and Trade, the United Aircraft Corporation and the United Engine Corporation have agreed to use the increased power of the TV7-117ST-01 turboprop engine as a standard for the regional passenger aircraft Il-114-300.
TV7-117ST (forced modification of the TV7-117CM engine developed by JSC "UEC - Klimov") is the base engine for the power plant of the promising Russian light military transport aircraft Il-112 V. The new product incorporates modern technical and constructive solutions that increase its summer specifications. Power at maximum take-off mode is 3000 hp, at high emergency mode - 3600 hp

https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/96736/

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vadim 91

By plane supposed

Supposed to.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Vadim 91

By plane supposed

Supposed to.

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Vadim 91

You guys want, but I really like it !!! Handsome.

I also like to watch pictures.

Why so much pessimism? Below is a quote dated December 6, 2019.

In Zhukovsky near Moscow on the basis of the Flight Research Institute. M.M. Gromov completed the third phase of flight tests of the basic power plant (aircraft engines TV7-117ST and TV7-117ST-01) developed by the company "UEC-Klimov" of the United Engine Corporation.

TV7-117ST is the base engine for the power plant of a light military transport aircraft Il-112V. The engine works in conjunction with the propeller AB112. Civil modification of the motor - TV7-117ST-01 - will become the standard engine of the regional passenger aircraft Il-114-300.

The main task of the next tests as part of the IL-76LL flying laboratory was to check the operability of the AB112 propeller of a standard design, as well as other components. In addition, during ground races and flights, the operation of the engine in the constructive person of TV7-117ST-01 for the Il-114-300 aircraft, the functioning of new control system units, as well as the verification of the software and mathematical support of automatic control systems (ACS) were checked. In the third stage, nine test flights and fourteen ground races were performed.

https://rostec.ru/news/zavershen-tretiy-etap-letnykh-ispytaniy-dvigateley-dlya-samoletov-il-112v-i-il-114-300/

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Why so much pessimism? Below is a quote dated December 6, 2019.

Thank you, I love quotes, but I do not believe quotes. Since childhood, I remember that they wrote on the fences.

[dauria]

not many countries have their own independent aviation industry

Yeah. One of these countries was the USSR. Do you even know that this aircraft is 34 years from the start of development and 30 years from the first flight? it Soviet plane . Therefore, there is a chance that everything will be fine. If not spoiled.
And those who conceived and did it for a long time already retired with pastry teeth, they chew macaroni, or lie down in a cemetery.

[1976AG]

Quote: dauria

not many countries have their own independent aviation industry

Yeah. One of these countries was the USSR. Do you even know that this aircraft is 34 years from the start of development and 30 years from the first flight? it Soviet plane . Therefore, there is a chance that everything will be fine. If not spoiled.
And those who conceived and did it for a long time already retired with pastry teeth, they chew macaroni, or lie down in a cemetery.

You are right, a Soviet-made aircraft. But let's be objective, in fact this applies only to the fuselage, since all the giblets are new there.

[ccsr]

Quote: 1976AG

You are right, a Soviet-made aircraft. But let's be objective, in fact this applies only to the fuselage, since all the giblets are new there.

It is precisely that the appearance is similar to the Soviet conceptual design, and the insides are completely different, which is not surprising since so many years have passed. So you just have to rejoice that in the conditions of the collapse, we were able to bring to mind our domestic aircraft, which is in great demand on domestic lines. Yes, and for military purposes, such machines can be used - to replace the Il-20M or other special aircraft in the Navy or EW.

[antivirus]

about what and speech, the hard way went to the top and it’s very easy to slide down. the second time they can and DO NOT let rise

[Zaurbek]

Moreover, in the USSR they produced both An24 / 26 and designed An140 and this Il.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vadim 91

By plane supposed

A question for the "minus". And how many of these machines have been released.

[ccsr]

Quote: tihonmarine

A question for the "minus". And how many of these machines have been released.

So you inattentively read the text - serial deliveries will begin in 2023, and now a prototype that was created during R&D is shown.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vadim 91

You guys want, but I really like it !!! Handsome.

I also like to watch pictures.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: tihonmarine

I also like to watch pictures.

Why don't you like the minus sign?

[The leader of the Redskins]

And I still do not understand what the "uniqueness" of the paint is.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Vadim 91

You guys want, but I really like it !!! Handsome.

not close to see ... well ... well, we painted the cooler cars with Airbrushes ... what's wrong with it .. masking tape, barrels of special paint ..... I'd take such a "hack" for the night ... money would have earned not bad ... and would have tried better, I think. and cho ..... would still make a dragon.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Aerodrome

what's wrong with it .. masking tape, barrels of special paint ..... I'd take such a "hack" for the night ... I wouldn't make money badly ..

Here I am also talking about it, painted, scotch tape stuck, and some die of happiness. Kids heads turn on.

[Evil543]

Painted, but what's the point? Then repaint the colors of the operator. And how much money was written off to the designer ?

[Rzzz]

Quote: Evil543

Then repaint the colors of the operator.

Yes, hardly. This is a demo, they say, his fate at the exhibitions stand.

[ccsr]

Quote: rzzz

This is a demo, they say, his fate at the exhibitions stand.

Most likely this is a prototype that has passed all the tests according to GOST and after that it cannot be transferred to operation, but can be used as a training sample. This practice also existed in the USSR with respect to military equipment developed as part of R&D.

[SHURUM -BURUM]

Something black colors beautiful bird somehow does not suit. I would reject such a gamut.

[Rzzz]

The bottom of it is dark blue. The picture was taken unsuccessfully, and no level correction was made.

[vadim dok]

The main thing is that the suit would sit!

[SHURUM -BURUM]

The main thing is that the suit would sit!
A plane painted like a hearse?

[Kaw]

I don’t like him. Glass for the cabin, as if drunk designer painted. Ashes of an absolutely rectangular pond without any endings. And the rest of this aircraft seems to have no distinctive features, the eye has nothing to catch on. But this is my opinion.

[Kaw]

And the fate of this aircraft (to this day) was as bent as its appearance.

[ccsr]

Quote: Kaw

And the fate of this aircraft (to this day) was as bent as its appearance.

Just don’t need to pre-observe what will probably become a unique aircraft for our northern and sparsely populated territories, where there is a pipe without such aircraft and where the infrastructure is underdeveloped.
And then before the fig accusers appeared - you would at least have an idea what it is to create sophisticated equipment, and even in conditions of underfinancing, despite the fact that the customer turned his face off domestic planes and only wanted to buy them in the West. I believe that this is a serious victory for our aircraft industry, and this is only welcome, even if flaws come up during certification.

[Rzzz]

At its speeds, endings and other tricky bends are not needed. Look not the ATR wing - the same "board". And in France, they definitely know how to draw wings.
The glasses are enlarged in front, as I understand it, for better visibility "under the nose".

[Talgat 148]

When already the car goes into a big series .....

[senima56]

I remember how Mr. D.O. Rogozin, who was then in the government responsible for the aviation industry. said that the production of IL-114 needed only 12 billion (??? !!!) rubles and 3 years! This was said in 2015, if I'm not mistaken. Since then, "12 billion" has turned into several hundred billion rubles, and the dates have been postponed several times to the right! The same problem is with the IL-112V, and the SU-57 is no better! Why don't we have an article in the Criminal Code - "For nonsense"? !!!

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Hate Rogozin? I, too, not for him, but in more detail about my hatred.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

Hate Rogozin? I, too, are not for him, but in more detail about my hatred, who speaks about hatred

Hatred is an intense, negatively colored destructive feeling, reflecting rejection, disgust and hostility to the object But there is no hatred here, people say that as the great poet N. Nekrasov said "Don't get into your sleigh" or Krylov "The trouble is, if a shoemaker starts to bake the pies, And the cake-maker will make his boots, And things will not go well. Yes, and it has been noted a hundredfold, That someone loves someone else's craft, He is always more stubborn and absurd." Tell me, who is right here?

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Are you a Cinema 56 attorney? I sympathize with you. What the hell are you saying for him? The question was not asked to you.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

What ....... you speak for him? The question was not asked to you.

Do not swear, hatred is not a human horse.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Hatred is just invented by people. But in some ways you are right.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

Hate is just made up by people

Hatred is not invented, it is an animal state.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Where did the word hate come from? From me, from you? But it still came ... Probably from me, but maybe from you?

[senima56]

I do not hate Rogozin specifically. I hate all the talkers and hollow-bones who hold responsible posts and at the same time grind their tongues, without reporting on what was said!
Do not get me wrong, it’s one thing when the OBS (One Grandmother Said), another thing is when an official (deputy prime minister, minister, governor, etc.) declares something in the media, on TV, on the radio. And then this does not happen, why they do not bear any responsibility for this ?! Why don't they resign if they have a conscience ?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhLLF6cAn-s

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Oops ... here is the main character. Well, if you hate it, then so be it. Just do not need me to YouTube as evidence.

[Tuk77]

Hate is sometimes confused with a sense of humor.
For some time now I have been collecting pearls of our ingenious manager Mr. Rogozin.
If I put them on display and lead to the denominator of 2019, I guarantee - you will also laugh.
By the way, has he still not left his dream to cover himself with unfading military glory in the trenches of Donbass? Do not know? If not, then there may be problems. With a trench, given the current build of Mr. Rogozin.

[Amateur]

Why hate Rogozin? He is just a talker and a loser. True, a good journalist. But he is not engaged in his own business, in which he understands nothing.
PySy. Lord minusers are adherents of Rogozin. Please indicate where, when and on what topic he defended his dissertation DTN. (Gines says that he is the only humanitarian who has become a DTN without candidate defense.

[Astoria]

Yes, do not care about Rogozin and his relatives - please show the costs

Since then, "12 billion" has turned into several hundred billion rubles

, this information is taken from the site of the UAC
Total funding for the IL-114-300 program for the period 2016-2029 will amount to 55,9 billion rubles. Do not show - you will be the same yap as Rogozin.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: senima56

I remember Mr. D.O. Rogozin, who was then in the government responsible for the aviation industry. said that the production of IL-114 needed only 12 billion (??? !!!) rubles and 3 years! This was said in 2015, if I'm not mistaken. Since then, "12 billion" has turned into several hundred billion rubles

" And nothing has changed".

[Genry]

Quote: senima56

I remember how Mr. D.O. Rogozin, who was then in charge of the aircraft industry in the government. He said that for the production of IL-114 you need only 12 billion (??? !!!) rubles and 3 years! This was said in 2015, if I am not mistaken.

If you remember, then give a link to the official press release.

Looks like you just re-posted the 2014 message
https://expert.ru/2014/07/24/otlet-na-rodinu/

Aviakor, according to Alexey Gusevin turn, it is ready, with an appropriate starting order, to organize mass production within its IL-5 facilities within 114 years. To do this, he will need help in the amount of 10-12 billion rubles. “12 billion is, of course, money, but for such a project, of course, not much money,” Vladimir Putin was somewhat surprised and instructed the government to calculate the costs necessary for mass production of the regional IL-144 aircraft in Russia. “We will need to calculate the real amount, figure. In principle, the idea is interesting, ”responded the country's main“ defender ”, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who had previously advocated the return of IL-114 production to Russia

Quote: senima56

Since then, "12 billion" has turned into several hundred billion rubles, and the dates have been postponed several times to the right!

Again, everything is unfounded ...
Speaking and approving a program are two big differences.
The IL-114-300 program was approved in 2017. Five years will be in 2022, which almost coincides with what A. Gusev said.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Genry

If you remember, then give a link to the official press release.

Hurray patriots do not give links.

[Genry]

Quote: tihonmarine

Hurray patriots do not give links.

Are you one of those who completely lost their original orientation?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Genry

Are you one of those who completely lost their original orientation?

I am for those who want his country to be a power, and not a puppet in the hands of imperialism. Or do you want another?

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Genry

The IL-114-300 program was approved in 2017. Five years will be in 2022, which almost coincides with what A. Gusev said.

Well, Gusev may be right, only Putin’s phrase about 12 billion rubles was said back in 2014. Here is the source

“Just recently, I received the president’s consent to begin work on this turboprop aircraft. This will help us to move the problem of regional transportation, ”Rogozin said. https://www.aex.ru/news/2014/11/18/126847/

Of course, you can say that for 3 years they approved the program, in fact, of a finished airplane - but if that is so, then it’s also very sad

[Genry]

Quote: Stirbjorn

only Putin’s phrase about 12 billion rubles was said back in 2014.

These were just arguments of the type: "is it worth starting or not, and if it is, then when." Then the An-140 was still being produced and there were plans to produce a licensed Bombardier.

Quote: Stirbjorn

Of course, you can say that for 3 years they approved the program, in fact, of a finished airplane - but if that is so, then it’s also very sad

There was no finished airplane. The documentation was transferred to Tashkent and there ....
What has now appeared on Ila are early drawings and sketches from a measured nature, already restored piece by piece. In fact, the aircraft was developed in a new way "digitally", with the correction of detected errors (wing attachment angle, ...), with adaptation to existing production.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Genry

The documentation was transferred to Tashkent and there ....

In terms of?! The archive should have remained, a copy is there, everything is there - a set of working drawings is sent for production, and the archive in the design bureau should be stored as the copyright holder.

Quote: Genry

In fact, the aircraft was developed in a new way "digitally", with the correction of detected errors (wing attachment angle, ...), with adaptation to the existing production.

20 pieces were made earlier, 10 of them in commercial operation

[Genry]

Quote: Stirbjorn

The archive should have remained, a copy is there, everything is there - a set of working drawings is sent for production, and the archive in the design bureau should be stored as the copyright holder.

Half of the design work takes place at the start of production, when a bunch of changes are made to fit the real capabilities of the technology. And after the collapse of the USSR, communications were already broken.

Quote: Stirbjorn

20 pieces were made earlier, 10 of them in commercial operation

And they flew with a limited angle of flap release, which worsened take-off and landing performance.

[user1212]

Quote: senima56

Why don't we have an article in the Criminal Code - "For nonsense"? !!!

You would be put on her for

Quote: senima56

Since then, "12 billion" has turned into several hundred billion rubles

you can’t show any reason for such figures. Yap

[Wolverine]

Quote: senima56

I remember how Mr. D.O. Rogozin, who was then in the government responsible for the aviation industry. said that the production of IL-114 needed only 12 billion (??? !!!) rubles and 3 years! This was said in 2015, if I'm not mistaken. Since then, "12 billion" has turned into several hundred billion rubles, and the dates have been postponed several times to the right! The same problem is with the IL-112V, and the SU-57 is no better! Why don't we have an article in the Criminal Code - "For nonsense"? !!!

This is because managers are not in their place and are incompetent in matters of their position.

[30143]

Someday, for sure ...
When all the grandmothers sawed, and then they say that it is out of date.
Most likely NEVER!

[Thrifty]

Little information about him! Could write its main characteristics! !!

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Thrifty

Little information about him! Could write its main characteristics! !!

one characteristic would be enough - the cost of 1 hour and service mileage))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Tiksi-3

one characteristic would be enough - the cost of 1 hour and service mileage

But there are very stakeholders here who are trying to push the multi-billion dollar project forward. Most likely the guys from Boeing.

[svp67]

Interestingly, this "Ilyusha" was immediately painted, and "112" was all unpainted ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: svp67

Interestingly, this "Ilyusha" was immediately painted, and "112" was all unpainted ...

Apparently, some kind of new paint is also being tested at the same time.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: svp67

Interestingly, this "Ilyusha" was immediately painted

There is no plane, but there is paint.

[svp67]

Quote: tihonmarine

There is no plane, but there is paint.

You would not hurt to look at the history of the IL-114. It was already produced in series at the Tashkent aircraft factory and still those planes fly. So that there is an airplane and a little paint is chosen for it

[fa2998]

Quote: Talgat 148

When already the car goes into a big series .....

I think unit 30-50 is in our conditions this is already a big series. Judging by previous projects, there is demand, there is no money. I think the price will be staggering. It is easier to buy a foreign car on lease (although not a new one)

[donavi49]

“Now it’s somewhat premature to talk about the final cost of a production car, when the cost of the experimental car has not actually been fully formed. But worth the goalvoiced by the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation: somewhere around 1 billion rubles", - quotes his words" Interfax ".

Well, AK - already thought that Bombardier is 2 times cheaper.

Meanwhile, Vladimir Gorbunov, Director General of Yakutia Airlines, noted that the key issue for entering the market will be the price of the aircraft, and a billion rubles is a high cost.

“Each operation of an aircraft results in a history of lease payments. Roughly speaking, 1 billion rubles - this is $ 150 thousand per month leasing rate. Our aircraft Bombardier Dash-8 Q300 / 400 go at rates two times lower. We are for updating the fleet, for our Russian equipment. But all this translates into a serious cost, incomparable with long-haul aircraft", - said Gorbunov.

[Errr]

Quite the opposite. This Q400 is twice as expensive as the IL-114-300. Look at https://aeronautica.online/data/prices/bombardier-list-prices/.

[donavi49]

leasing rate

This is the emphasis. Yakutia needs 150k / month on Il114 or about 80k on Bombardier. Plus - AK should be laid down for maintenance

[Errr]

I'm not talking about leasing, but about the cost of the plane. A billion rubles is from 15 to 17 million dollars, depending on the current rate. It is clear that this is still a Wishlist, but there is simply no better guideline for determining the future price of the Il-114-300 at the moment.

[Genry]

Quote: donavi49

But all this translates into a serious cost, incomparable with long-haul aircraft, ”said Gorbunov.

Comrade blurted out two times - he was effectively trading ....
First time at the price of Bombardier Dash-8 Q300 / 400, which is about 30 million USDand IL-114-300: 1bn / 60 = 16 million USD.
The second time about the comparability of the operating cost of mainline and regional aircraft - "regional" always has a worse plaque and higher operating costs due to more difficult conditions.

[Zaurbek]

Well, the number of seats is different .... B-37 at full load is always more profitable than the SSZH-100. And the B-747 is even more profitable, even with 4 turbojet engines. It is necessary to compare planes with the same number of seats and sizes. Turboprops are very economical. There are a lot of nuances from the quality of GDP to the needs of users.

[Genry]

Quote: Zaurbek

Well, the number of seats is different .... B-37 at full load is always more profitable than the SSZH-100.

Yes! A regional aircraft with fewer seats and a shorter path between takeoff (significant fuel consumption) and landing. He eats fuel like a car in urban mode.

Quote: Zaurbek

Turboprops are very economical.

They are "very economical" if your task is to hang in the air longer. But there is no tangible difference in consumption per kilometer.
Turboprop is preferred for regional transportation according to its take-off and landing characteristics - the runway is shorter. Thanks to the screw with a variable pitch, it can sharply increase and lose traction (the turbine works almost at the same speed). And in a turbojet, the turbine speed (thrust) changes slowly and only reverse is possible, which is very difficult (or impossible) on a short landing or an interrupted landing (leaving ..).

[Zaurbek]

Not quite so .... Turboprops are very economical but lose in time, but win on landing characteristics. Turbojet engines are improving and turboprop displacement is clearly visible on regional airliners of the SSZh-100 type. It is on this dimension that the border now passes along fuel efficiency in combination with takeoff and landing characteristics.

[Genry]

Quote: Zaurbek

Not quite so .... Turboprops very economical but lose in time, but win in landing characteristics.

Compare the fuel consumption per 1000 km for the IL-114 and SSZh-100 .... (ton) And compare the flight conditions, in a dense atmosphere, with great resistance or low pressure ....
The rest is true.

Quote: Zaurbek

It is on this dimension that the border on fuel efficiency is passing now

This border is determined only by the number of packages per flight. If 300 people flew from one village to another every day, then a turboprop with such a dimension would be relevant. And for a t-reactive, a longer concrete runway is needed, which in a small settlement - no way ...

[Zaurbek]

Not everything is so simple .... the global system of airports and hubs is arranged in a certain way by the CSO - Large airports but with low traffic. Sludge - all types of airfields.

[Genry]

Quote: Zaurbek

SSJ - Large airports but less crowded flights. Sludge - all types of airfields.

Right.
IL-114 is out of competition on short runways and short flights. For the military, while patrolling, too.

[Zaurbek]

Somewhere new GDP will be built and SSJ will fly there, and somewhere it will be expensive and Ily and L400 and An2 will fly there ... our Far East and Siberia are poorly populated and it is unprofitable to build large airports. And the SSJ still has a lot of work in the European part of the Russian Federation and in the South and the Urals. Direct flights to Ufa and Saratov just started flying from me.

[ccsr]

Quote: Genry

For the military, while patrolling, too.

And not only for the military - sanitation, border guards, polar explorers, morphlot and many more services that need a cheap plane and at the same time have a greater carrying capacity and range than helicopters.

[antivirus]

the question is not in profit and repayment of the loan to the bank, but in raising the level of competence of workers and managers.
NEED TO LEARN YOURSELF AT LOSS. BUT LIVING ON YOUR MONEY AND BY YOUR MIND.
the market is small (the collapse of the USSR) determines everything. only lean against china or dr from the third world
CHINA HAS ALREADY 10 YEARS BACK PLANNED UNAUTHORIZED ALL ITS INDUSTRIES DRAWN

[tihonmarine]

Quote: fa2998

It’s easier to lease a foreign car (albeit not a new one)

Business and nothing more.

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: Vadim 91

The aircraft is supposed to install two turbo-propeller engines TV7-117CM (power 2650 hp) with low-noise six-blade propellers SV-34.03 [35].

I'm sorry, but is there an alternative to TV7-117SM, on this machine, if you say that the installation of these engines is "supposed"?

[Genry]

Quote: cherkas.oe

but is there an alternative to TV7-117CM on this machine,

Is.
IL-114-100 flies on Pratt & Whitney. For imports, there may be such an option.

[tihonmarine]

- said the General Director of PJSC "Il" Yuri Grudinin.

But why not the General Designer?

[mlad]

Such as Rogozin, Serdyukov and others can be criticized endlessly, but there are fewer talented managers than talented designers. Previously, managers were taken from former party workers, but time passes, but there are no new ones, we have not yet learned to clone Shoigu. Time is needed for management and engineers to appear with new thinking. honest businessmen.

[Aviator_]

so that management and engineers appear with new thinking. honest businessmen.

It's very interesting, especially about "honest businessmen". Soon we have been waiting for 30 years, but we will not see any seedlings.

[mlad]

so generations will have to wait so that they don’t scold such oligarchs, they’ll give people jobs

[Aviator_]

I hope that the disassembly of "effective managers" for parts will be faster.

[Rzzz]

Quote: mlad

but there are fewer talented managers than talented designers. Previously, managers were taken from

Give at least a couple of surnames for example. From our reality or Soviet history. It was with the managers that everything was extremely bad. And management "from the party" - this was the worst option.

[ccsr]

Quote: mlad

Previously, managers were taken from former party workers,

This is not true - in the USSR many talented leaders went to party work, and this was often the case, up to the secretaries of the Central Committee. On the contrary, they could appoint a party leader to the head office or ministry as a deputy for party work, but as a rule they did not trust to run such a structure - they were often sent as ambassadors to places of minor importance.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vadim 91

You guys want, but I really like it !!! Handsome.

I personally like that the lead corvette of Project 20 350 "Thundering", which is undergoing state sea trials in the Northern Fleet, has come out and is being tested. I like it on December 12, 2019, the nuclear-powered icebreaker Arktika entered sea trials on December 12, 2019. But I don't like it when Yurik Slyusar (counterfeit merchant) gives the people wishful thinking.

[Genry]

Quote: tihonmarine

But I do not like it when Yurik Slyusar (counterfeit dealer)

Have you already written a statement to the prosecutor?
Or your facts are idle talk?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Genry

Have you already written a statement to the prosecutor?

I'm just writing what I don't like. And you are the prosecutor’s office at once, and what do you like when the kids rule the industry of your country and introduce it into stagnation?

[Zaurbek]

The outdated An24 ... it's a compliment!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Zaurbek

The outdated An24 ... it's a compliment!

For you, yes, but life is already 40 years ahead of your country.

[Zaurbek]

Are you already celebrating NG? Your thoughts curl ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Zaurbek

Are you already celebrating NG? Your thoughts curl.

Like all people of Russia, I celebrate the New Year 31.12.2019/24.00/XNUMX at XNUMX. by MSC. If you write differently.

[Ugochaves]

Our country is Russia, and yours Or are you cosmopolitan?

[sevryuk]

Not Russia, but the Belarusian Federal Socialist Republic.

[Rzzz]

Exactly, that "obsolete", it also somehow hooked me. It is irrevocably outdated when I went to kindergarten !!! And now he is no good at all.

[Zaurbek]

Exactly. I'm talking about the same

[UA3QHP]

Quote: fa2998

It’s easier to lease a foreign car (albeit not a new one)

So this is the task of the government so that it is not easier.

[Zaurbek]

Before this project, they were going to build a plant for the assembly of similar aircraft from Bombardier ....

[Rzzz]

Our government generally behaves somehow the other way around. Instead of making domestic equipment easier to buy, they make it harder to buy imported equipment. And so in everything.

[Zaurbek]

Well, at least here it is at least completely localized and the need for it is great. All that remains is to increase the amount of money the population has for regional flights.

[Rzzz]

And here is another incomprehensible moment. It is believed that the Dash-8 is half the price of this aircraft. But, if so, then where do we have a huge number of second-hand "deshes" from the secondary market ??

[Zaurbek]

Pricing is a relative thing .... Dash has already been mastered, there is a secondary market for both spare parts and aircraft, there are different dimensions .... but the Russian Federation wanted to master the production of Bombardier and in 14 the Canadians terminated the contract. Which exit? A plane is needed, either to buy ready-made, or to make your own.

[Rzzz]

So I just want to understand what prevents the dash from being imported to us under leasing schemes. Most likely, regional flights are such a simple thing in terms of organization that they can be pulled by a small airline, even with budget support. Indeed, in Russia, it seems that not a single "desha" flies (well, there seems to be a little bit in the Far East, but this can be ignored) and only a few ATR Ut-Air units fly. Although these planes have been on sale for a long time, and they can be bought in any reasonable quantity. So there are some reasons why there are so few of them, and will the same reasons affect the demand for Il-114?

[Zaurbek]

In the regions there is no money .... and there are no such flight rules for small aircraft as in the west. What will reduce the cost of flights and increase competition. Plus government agencies that need such an aircraft. You won’t sell them to Dash.

[Rzzz]

And here, by the way, we have to start with this. And then the aircraft will begin to be produced, but nobody will need it. But military orders are not very rich. And since the military is ready to take only the domestic one (by the way, it is also not the most robust stereotype), a situation may arise that there is no competition - that means any slag can be drawn in, they will buy it anyway.

[Zaurbek]

On military orders, you can start production and then sell serial vehicles to private owners.

[Rzzz]

There is a risk of starting such a production that no private trader will buy. It is necessary initially to focus on the private consumer, and the military will be a pleasant bonus.

[Zaurbek]

On the other hand, civilian Dash is not a fact that will suit the military. But Il can continue to be upgraded. In terms of composites, the horse did not lie there. And the purely civilian market for such aircraft in the Russian Federation is not so large as to make a comm machine for it initially.

[ccsr]

Quote: rzzz

And since the military is ready to take only domestic (by the way, it’s also not the most robust stereotype),

This is a reasonable precaution - where is the guarantee that foreign equipment will not be remotely disabled in a critical situation. Regarding military orders, then according to the most modest estimates, several MO structures will need such an aircraft, so we will talk about dozens and maybe even hundreds of such aircraft, and this is a serious batch.

[Rzzz]

Yeah, the enemies only need to disable light transport aircraft that transport potatoes to remote garrisons.
I understand such measures in the production of ballistic missiles. But here is why.

[ccsr]

Quote: rzzz

Yeah, the enemies only need to disable light transport aircraft that transport potatoes to remote garrisons.

And this will happen in automatic mode, similar to how automatic updating of software products is being done now - you won’t have time to blink.

Quote: rzzz

I understand such measures in the production of ballistic missiles. But here is why.

They will need the complete collapse of the entire life of the country, and no one has been hiding this for a long time. The example of Iranian centrifuges proved this clearly.

[Rzzz]

Okay. One small southern country buys an F-35 and changes all the electronics in it, just to eliminate this possibility. Since they have succeeded in this, maybe Russia will be able to replace the filling on Dash? Moreover, all the controls are mechanical.

I am not calling on a specific "Dash" to purchase at the expense of our equipment. The approach itself needs to be revised. It will be so cheaper. Although maybe this is exactly what someone does not need.

[ccsr]

Quote: rzzz

Since they did it,

Are you 100% sure of this? Do not make me laugh.

Quote: rzzz

The approach itself needs to be reviewed.

There is only one approach - we need a mass plane for internal lines and this should be a domestic product.

[Rzzz]

I repeat once again. Domestic lines do not need a plane yet. Given the existing realities, economic and legislative, there are no airlines for this aircraft. If there were - private companies would import Dash and ATR. But they do not import, and not at all for patriotic reasons.

[ccsr]

Quote: rzzz

I repeat once again. Domestic lines do not need a plane yet.

Can you justify this conclusion taking into account the size of our territory? At least reasonable reasons should be given why we do not need this plane.

Quote: rzzz

Given the existing realities, economic and legislative, there are no airlines for this aircraft.

You forgot about state subsidies - for example, as you did for the Far East for certain categories of passengers, compensating for the cost of tickets.

Quote: rzzz

If there were - private companies would import Dash and ATR.

Preferential taxation on the purchase of domestic equipment is the usual method - that’s the solution.

Quote: rzzz

But they do not import, and not at all for patriotic reasons.

There will be state support, and some companies will readily take up domestic lines - for example, tax breaks or a decrease in the cost of refueling domestic aircraft to some extent they may be of interest.

[Rzzz]

Quote: ccsr

Can you justify this conclusion taking into account the size of our territory? At least reasonable reasons should be given why we do not need this plane.

Yes Easy. Do you see many regional routes in our country now? Where there is still, everyone finishes off the old AN-24 with subsidies. Which is quite expensive to operate. Big crew, and eats a lot of kerosene. In the most populated European part, there are almost no regional routes. It turns out that those airlines that fly are not ready to pay money for the plane, even taking into account the fact that it will be more economical. I think a used "dash" is in every way cheaper than a new Il, even with subsidies. But for some reason they are not bought, and they are not even leased.

The country needs a plane. At least Il, at least Dash. If only he flew, and drove. It does not need airlines and authorities.
Here you are talking about state support. And where is she now, this state support? Or will it be only in a few years, when the party of Ilov will be done? We generally support whom? A plant, design bureaus, which only absorb budgets for a decade, but cannot make an airplane? Or do you still need to support the population so that it can fly, and not slip on a winter road in a right-handed jeep?

[ccsr]

Quote: rzzz

Yes Easy. Do you see many regional routes with us now?

Hundreds - for example, at least regional centers and flights between them, or flights to the southern regions from the European part in the summer - Anapa, Rostov, Novorossiysk, Simferopol, etc. I’m not even talking about Siberia and the Far East - regional transport needs to be revived there.

Quote: rzzz

I think a used "dash" is differently cheaper than a new Il, even with subsidies.

I think that you simply do not own information, and do not understand how our Avtovaz has not died yet, but produces better and better domestic cars. Have you heard about the program "hand over the old car" and get a discount on a new one? What prevents from doing this in aviation?

Quote: rzzz

The country needs a plane.

It's good that you and I understand that.

Quote: rzzz

It does not need airlines and authorities.

They must be driven into a situation that it will be more profitable for them to buy our plane.

Quote: rzzz

We generally support whom?

Scientific, technical and production personnel in the country, and this is the most important thing for us. And airplanes are just a tool for their development - this is the way those who are accustomed to systematically solve state problems in Soviet times think.

[Rzzz]

Quote: ccsr

Scientific, technical and production personnel in the country, and this is the most important thing for us.

So we won’t succeed. They will not create a competitive airplane that will compete with the ATR, which was originally designed for low-cost transportation. While there is no demand, neither the design bureau nor the plant are interested in doing it in a high-quality and modern way. It is necessary not to support design bureaus, but to create conditions for transportation. Then the design bureau will catch up. Otherwise, we will have flying AvtoVAZ - expensive and stupid. Lada we are more expensive than the same Lada in Germany !!!

Quote: ccsr

They must be driven into a situation that it will be more profitable for them to buy our plane.

No need to drive anyone anywhere, for God's sake! Tickets will cost more than to the moon!
Here we take a conditional flight of 400-500 km. As a good example in real life - Moscow - Nizhny Novgorod. By train you can travel for about 1000 rubles and 4 hours. The time is the same as on the plane (hour to get to the airport, hour to check-in, control, waiting for boarding, hour of flight and hour of disembarkation, baggage claim and road to the city.). Can any airline offer tickets at a price of no more than, say, 1500 rubles? Something seems to me - hardly. Therefore, in the central region, regional flights will have little demand, only in places where there are no direct ground connections. Another thing is Siberia, where there are fewer roads on the map, but even here the economic factor becomes important. Our country turns pale, unfortunately, for many years in a row, and tower money to pay for a ticket, simply because otherwise it can, fewer people can.

Quote: ccsr

AvtoVAZ is still not dead, and it produces better and better domestic cars.

In fact, AvtoVAZ has not been producing domestic cars for a long time. These are crafts on the units of the budget line of Renault, completely not corresponding to the money that is being asked for. And they are domestic only at the location of the plant. The last VAZ car was Kalina2. Although, again, the plant is powerful and can produce excellent cars. But he is ruined by state support and barrage duties on foreign cars.

[ccsr]

Quote: rzzz

It is necessary not to support design bureaus, but to create conditions for transportation.

With our size of the territory, we have all the conditions for mass transportation of passengers on domestic routes.

Quote: rzzz

Lada we are more expensive than the same Lada in Germany !!!

For that, we have cheaper than many Western cars - so compare in our market, and not what is happening abroad. By the way, Niva was mostly quoted there earlier, so this is not an indicator.

Quote: rzzz

As a good example in real life - Moscow - Nizhny Novgorod.

And Nizhny Novgorod-Volgograd (Chelyabinsk, Omsk, Vorkuta, etc.)
will not consider? Why do you focus on high-speed highways only in Moscow?

Quote: rzzz

In fact, AvtoVAZ has not been producing domestic cars for a long time.

Volvo trucks generally only comprise 20% of Swedish components, but they do not soar from this. Why do we need to invent an extra headache if something can be bought cheaper abroad than to establish such a production of components at home? This is not a defense industry, so you need to bother with this less.

Quote: rzzz

But he is ruined by state support and barrage duties on foreign cars.

I think that this is not the "Horns and Hooves" office, but a city-forming enterprise and it still provides our competitive car, which means it's too early to cut the chicken. And we must take into account that we have always lagged behind in the automotive industry, so this is the only way to catch up, there is no other way.

[Rzzz]

Quote: ccsr

Volvo trucks in general only 20% consist of Swedish components, but they do not soar from this

And are Swedish truckers forced to buy Volvo, setting a 100% duty on Mercedes, Man or Iveco?
That is why Volvo is considered one of the best cars.
And if supported, it would be possible to drive any slag on sale, would buy from hopelessness.

[ccsr]

Quote: rzzz

And are Swedish truckers forced to buy Volvo, setting a 100% duty on Mercedes, Man or Iveco?

I don’t know this, but the fact that every country that produces its own cars helps its manufacturers with customs tariffs is obvious.

Quote: rzzz

That is why Volvo is considered one of the best cars.

I do not argue with this - maybe we need to strive for this?

[ccsr]

Quote: rzzz

They will not create a competitive airplane that will compete with the ATR, which was originally designed for low-cost transportation.

And here is what the British experts think about this:

British experts suggest that IL-114-300 is able to compete with the ATR 42, which is produced by the French-Italian concern ATR, as it surpasses it in a number of indicators. In particular, the fuel consumption of a Russian product is significantly less than that of the opponent, and it also has more impressive indicators on the flight range.
“Russia plans to produce 12 Il-114-300s per year, which will be sold to Russian airlines and also delivered abroad,” analysts at Simple Flying said.
The Il-114-300 aircraft can be equipped with a ski and wheeled chassis, which will allow it to operate in the Far North. This fact will significantly expand the popularity and relevance of this product. Considering the fact that in some countries the obsolete An-24s are still actively used, as well as the economic attractiveness of the new Russian aircraft compared to the ATR-72, the Il-114-300 will become an extremely interesting offer on the market.
“The new Ilyushin may become a winner,” summarizes British experts.

https://politros.com/157346-izdanie-simple-flying-nazvalo-preimushestva-il-114-300-pered-zapadnymi-konkurentami?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com&dbr=1

[Rzzz]

This is a very illiterate conclusion. ATR released in the amount of more than 1000 cars. Dash-8 - even more. How can an airplane compete with them that is not yet in this reality? It is not known when the first flight, when the tests will be completed, when the certificate, when the launch of the series. It can only be compared when Ilov will release 100 at least, and they will be in commercial operation for five years (not in the Moscow Region, not in the Ministry of Emergencies, and not in subsidized transportation). Superdet, there, they also say an excellent plane, and they even tried to buy it. But they abandoned this idea due to the lack of any operational support. So far, this article is seen as a propaganda cartoon.
What else I want to pay attention to: both ATR and Dash-8 in their entire history of production were produced at a pace of about 30 small cars per year. We promise 12. What kind of competition can there be?

[ccsr]

Quote: rzzz

This is a very illiterate conclusion.

Let’s leave it to the conscience of experts from Simple Flying, though it’s not clear why they need to advertise our aircraft industry.

Quote: rzzz

We promise 12. What kind of competition can there be?

I hope you admit that the British are not yet aware of all our plans for this aircraft, and this figure is taken from a rough estimate of our free capacities. I think whether this figure is unlikely to be real, most likely there will be more, if only because it will reduce the cost of the aircraft itself. However, three years will pass quickly, so that time will tell whose forecast was real.

[Bshkaus]

I didn’t know that the coloring of the plane was news worthy of the covers of the magazine.

this color of the aircraft will help "determine the appearance and composition of the coatings to be used on serial IL-114-300."

Strange, I thought that the appearance of the paintwork will be determined by customers, how many airlines, so much and liveries, even more, taking into account constant rebredings.

He also recalled the critical importance for the coating to have special protective properties: high weather resistance, strength and elasticity.

Who would have thought in the 21st century.
Airbus, Boeing, Bombardier and Embraer produce more than a thousand aircraft in total, but the problem with the desired coating properties has not been resolved?
Or, as always, has our own special way?

[Genry]

Quote: Bshkaus

I thought that the appearance of the paintwork will be determined by customers,

Specifically for this aircraft, it is unlikely that a customer will appear, since it is for flight tests.

Quote: Bshkaus

the problem with the desired coating properties has not been resolved?

Take the trouble to find out the weight of this paintwork and make a conclusion.

[Rzzz]

Quote: Genry

Take the trouble to find out the weight of this paintwork and make a conclusion.

What is the conclusion? What plane turns out to be painted ?? What paint do you need a kilogram of 50-100? What does it somehow significantly affect the weight distribution? What other manufacturers use magical weightless paint?
How does the color of this aircraft differ from the color of the comparable Dash?

[75 Sergey]

With centering, then at least everything is fine, and not overweight?

[Piramidon]

Quote: 75Sergey

Centered here at least all is well

And before that, on all aircraft with centering was bad?

[75 Sergey]

Well, yes! Or did you forget?

[Piramidon]

Quote: 75Sergey

Well, yes! Or did you forget?

I haven’t heard at all. Tell, if you know, instead of finding out something about memory. Only with no answers in the spirit - go look on the Internet.

[75 Sergey]

IL-112
https://aviation21.ru/pochemu-il-112v-poluchilsya-peretyazhelyonnym/

[Piramidon]

Quote: 75Sergey

IL-112
https://aviation21.ru/pochemu-il-112v-poluchilsya-peretyazhelyonnym/

I have known about this for a long time, but:
Firstly, the article is about IL-114, and you suggest me read about IL-112. Secondly, there it is about the weight of the aircraft, and in your comment you also wrote about centering, and these are different concepts. Therefore, I asked about what was wrong with the centering.

[75 Sergey]

So I asked - is this all right? But he was still Soviet hardened, when everything was done with pens and with his head.

[Piramidon]

Quote: 75Sergey

So I asked - is this all right? But he was still Soviet hardened, when everything was done with pens and with his head.

Got it. You slip away from the answer to a specific question that I asked you - "What is wrong with the alignment?", Which you wrote about here. Well, at least they would admit that they "closed up the joint", but they start to get out.

[dauria]

With centering, then at least everything is fine

IL-114 made its first flight in March 1990. Then they knew how to count and think. So don’t worry. The legacy of the USSR is not so bad. There were even a dozen of them riveted in Tashkent. Here they will be painted once more - and go. The old man will also serve. It is tailored exclusively competently, without showing off. But engines, equipment and disposable tableware with stewardesses can be changed to modern ones.

[75 Sergey]

And I thought it was new, but it turned out to be "with old holes", then of course there are no questions.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: 75Sergey

With centering, then at least everything is fine, and not overweight?

And do you excuse the aircraft designer, or just a passerby?

[75 Sergey]

Is this a meeting of designers or just passers-by?

[1skuns1]

zrada ... the shore of the Svidomo bone is indignant --- Muscovites dared to paint their letak in yellow-blakitny ... ce, outrageously

[dgonni]

He cannot become a full-fledged replacement for the AN-24. 24th high-winged and sharpened for use with airfields of all types. Including unprepared and unpaved. 114th with them will not be able to be exploited a priori. Dust dirt branches and stones. Everything will be in the engines. So clean with trained lanes.

[ccsr]

Quote: dgonni

114th with them will not be able to be exploited a priori. Dust dirt branches and stones.

You seem to confuse the situation - the An-24 generally took off from the ground, and even wet, and that was almost sixty years ago, when the country had no funds to build airfields. I myself sat in it on a dirt airfield, which is why such a design was chosen then. But now the situation has changed, and at the very least, but the airfield network is gradually being revived, so such a design 114 is quite justified given its mass production.

[dgonni]

Compared to Soviet times, the network of aerodromes in Russia was reduced by almost 1000 units! Of these, about 500 were with concrete elements that allowed receiving and providing local airlines. What kind of infrastructure development are you talking about? I personally don’t understand

[ccsr]

Quote: dgonni

What kind of infrastructure development are you talking about? I personally don’t understand

The fact that in Soviet times the entire aeroflot on domestic routes was subsidized by the state, which is why there was a huge network of airfields, including unpaved ones. But the train left if you did not notice, and I have nothing to do with it, if you do not take into account that everything was happening before my eyes. That’s why I’m saying that a network of airdromes with concrete pavement is being rebuilt and new ones are being built - Saratov, Platov near Rostov, etc., which means that the internal lines will be revived, and to reduce the cost of transportation we need a domestic plane, and it’s good that it will appear in the near future. I don’t know what doesn’t suit you in this?

[Rzzz]

By the way, if you look visually, then the engines on the Il-114 are about the same height from the ground as on the An-24. Plus covered by a wing.

[Izotovp]

Interestingly, he has the same planning characteristics as the An-24?

[Proton]

I’m a fly in the ointment, but a flight sample or samples in general, not a series, but an advertising booklet, but it's a pity the car is good

[sgr291158]

Something in our aviation industry began to move. it's time to start producing our aircraft and not to buy foreign at exorbitant prices.

[Rzzz]

Foreigners do not buy, and lease. Plus, they are all under offshore registration - even the national Eroflot does not pay the transport tax to the Russian treasury. Rather, it pays, but only for superjets, they are under the Russian flag, and therefore it yells that they are bad.

[sla1372]

very necessary car !!!!! long awaited regions

[alekc75]

wait too long to produce such a simple aircraft !!!

[Elturisto]

With a high probability, the IL-114 project will fail, because:
- there are practically no imported components, and you cannot offend foreign "partners" - how will they eat? And what will they buy gas for?
-IL-114 is a competitor to SSZh-100 on short routes (up to 1000 km.), Also "partners" from the USA, Germany and France will be dissatisfied.
- The DCO will have to set up serial production of engines, and this is labor and responsibility, in general it’s better to do some R&D, there’s no need to cut it all ...
Therefore, the plane will fly a little, it will stand at exhibitions and indeed the land.

[Zaurbek]

SSZh is operated only with good airborne gates such as adults B-737, A-319/20/21 and future MS21. Il114 flies from everywhere and is more autonomous in use. Therefore, they are not competitors. The same situation is with the bourgeoisie. Of course, with the expansion of good airports and good GDP, the SSJ will squeeze out Il114. But something tells me that Ilu should work and work.

[alex aircraft]

The newest or 114 !!! well, well. An airplane created by the Union cannot still be launched into a series .. effective Putin managers .. or buying an2 in China !!! now they’ll hit ukrakalka and zaminusut but they really do not need, it’s better to watch news on the first one. There, the personality cult of the GDP surpassed dearly Leonid Ilyich. By the way, comparing both, I understand that Ilyich had 5 stars.

[Rzzz]

Dash 8 was created in the early 80s, ATR in the mid 80s. They are considered quite normal aircraft, nothing newer. So the small Ilyushka will be young in this fraternity.

[fa2998]

Quote: fa2998

Quote: Talgat 148

When already the car goes into a big series .....

I think unit 30-50 is in our conditions this is already a big series. Judging by previous projects, there is demand, there is no money. I think the price will be staggering. It is easier to buy a foreign car on lease (although not a new one)

For these minus minors, I would advise you to return to this topic in about 2 years. Let's see how many serial builds, how many orders. And then we always have ANIMAL ANALOGUES, but it turns out to be zilch, experienced, pre-production samples and the deal ends. And the money has been successfully spent.

[cherkas.oe]

Is.
IL-114-100 flies on Pratt & Whitney. For imports, there may be such an option. [/ Quote]
And you think that we will be allowed to import Ily from Pratt & Whitney and no one will stick a stick, why then are Super Jets not allowed to sell to Iran? It seems to me that the Ilys are optimizing for our engines and components, so as not to depend on third parties in the import of their cars.

[Adimius38]

a beautiful modern aircraft, a very good and much-needed short-haul aircraft

[dirk182]

Well, if true. But the same telegram Nezigar voiced this news long before publication in the media. Telling:
-MO representatives arrived. very dissatisfied with the work on il-112. In fact, the failure of the state defense order. Since the engine life tests have not been carried out.
-Il-114 was assembled in a hurry. Inside, there were only dummies made from improvised means, even cardboard boxes were used. Painting and rolling for the sake of a photo. "
The message also has a photo with a message about arrears of salary to employees. Fake or not, it’s not clear. It remains only to follow the news further.

[Aqr009]

Are there any fundamental advantages of the low-wing IL-114 over the high-wing aircraft An-24?

[ccsr]

Quote: Aqr009

Are there any fundamental advantages of the low-wing IL-114 over the high-wing aircraft An-24?

I think that the aerodynamic characteristics are better, and the height of the chassis struts will be less, which means the strength characteristics will be better and the cost, respectively, lower. Apparently shielding is also taken into account, although aircraft specialists know this.