The tactics of the Finnish army in 1941-1944


Most Finnish senior officers went through a German military school during World War I and were greatly influenced by German warfare tactics. But their own experience accumulated, for many during the intervention in Soviet Karelia in 1918-1922, almost all during the Winter War. In addition, the geographical and natural features of the area where the Finns were to advance in 1941, also dictated their conditions. In addition, the study of tactics of the Red Army in the Winter War and intelligence data. All this was layered and as a result led to the fact that the Finns had their own tactics of military operations, different from both German and Soviet. The purpose of this article is to study the tactics of the Finnish troops during the offensive, on the defensive, during the retreat, while reflecting the offensive actions of the Red Army units in 1941-1944. based on documents from the Central Archive of the Ministry of Defense.


It should be noted that Finnish tactics were influenced by the features of the front line itself, which, in turn, were dictated by the features of the terrain. The Karelian front was not continuous, between the parts there were huge voids; there were very few communication lines. The sad results of this were clear even in the Winter War, so in 1941 the commanders of the Red Army tried to avoid a repetition of the sad experience of the Finnish campaign, and sometimes even use the terrain in their favor. However, in 1941, the Red Army commanders did their best to reduce the front of the defense. G.N. Kupriyanov wrote: “we need to shorten the front, pull the entire Kondopoga group to Medvezhyegorsk. Having occupied Kondopoga, the enemy will run into the lake, and further to the east he will not pass anyway. And we, due to the lake, will shorten the front by almost 200 km ”[1, p. 122].

Offensive tactics of the Finnish troops in 1941


So what are the main methods, what was the main tactics of the Finns in the 1941 offensive? Firstly, these are attempts in any way to avoid frontal attacks. For the entire duration of the battle of the 337th joint venture, surrounded and upon leaving it, the Finns only once attempted a frontal attack. Finns tried to influence the flanks. This is noted in the report of the commander of the 337th joint venture (Rebolsky direction), this is also noticeable when studying the battles after the occupation of Petrozavodsk. So, on October 8, 1941, during a battle on the Anga River, “the enemy opened strong fire with mortars and machine guns and launched an attack on the left flank” [1, p. 72]. As in the Winter War, the Finns used the tactics of circumvention, but not to completely surround the unit, but to cut the main communication. So, on October 15, 1941, during the battle for the village of Svyatnavolok, the 3rd battalion of the 25th infantry regiment went into a roundabout maneuver, cut the road 3 km north of Svyatnavolok and surrounded the 131st rifle regiment of the Red Army. When conducting a roundabout maneuver, the Finns tried to use clearings; before starting the rounds, they reconnoitered the dominant heights for further defense using these heights. They occupied the defense either by the flank back and forth, or circular, depending on the terrain. At the same time, Finns always take mortars of small and medium caliber with them in a roundabout maneuver, and use all their firepower. The main goal of the roundabout maneuver is to force the Red Army fighters to make a breakthrough or withdraw power without a material part.

A separate feature of Finnish tactics in 1941 was that they did not begin to pursue the retreating units, due to, most likely, their reluctance to engage in open battle.

Using incendiary shells and bullets, the Finns set fire to the forest and cleared the shelling sector for themselves, and sometimes they simply “smoked” parts of the Red Army from favorable positions. The chief of staff of the 337th joint venture, Major Ivan Vasilyevich Obydenkin, noted the extremely rare appearance of small enemy groups in the rear of our units and the great fear of the Finns to be surrounded [2].

On October 3, 1941, Captain Ukraintsev, chief of the Second Division of the Headquarters of the 123rd SD LenF, drew up a document describing the tactics of the offensive actions of the Finns in 1941. This document is especially important because the natural and geographical conditions of the Karelian Isthmus differ from the conditions Karelia and the Karelian Isthmus, the Finns in some way changed their tactics, which was motivated by the above reasons.

According to Ukraintsev, “the advance of certain units of the company-battalion is preceded by active reconnaissance of the flanks and squad-platoon in small groups in the rear. At the opening of organized fire, as a rule, advancing units disperse and hide in the depths ”[3]. Ukraintsev also noted that the Finns seep in small groups into the depths of the defense and gradually accumulate as many troops as possible on the flanks and weapons, trying to create the impression of an environment in parts of the Red Army. However, Ukraintsev writes that, together with the above actions, the Finns act “simultaneously with frontal pressure on weaker sections of the front” [3], while in Karelia, at least in the Rebolsky direction, “they avoid frontal attacks” [ 2]. How can this be explained? According to the author, the reason for this was that the Karelian Isthmus was part of Finland since 1917 and the Finns knew this territory well, which could give them courage in their actions. It is no accident that Obydenkin, in particular, explains the rarity of the use of small groups in the rear of our troops by the Finns by the fact that “actions are being conducted on our territory” [2]. In the report of Ukraintsev it is written that at the beginning of the retreat of parts of the Red Army, the Finns throw out mobile groups and try to cut off the escape routes, and keep the retreating parts under the influence of automatic fire from the flanks. Scooters and light detachments formed into “pursuit detachments” acted by means of deep circumvention and coverage to create a secondary environment and prevent the retreating from taking a new line of defense.

On September 2, 1941, the chief of staff of the 27th SD Lieutenant Colonel Polukarov wrote to the chief of the combat training department of the Headquarters of the 7th Army, Major Guryev, that the actions of the Finnish army remained the same. First of all, at that time, the tactics of the Finns consisted in the fact that they acted in small groups with the goal of reaching the rear of our units and reaching communications, as well as creating the appearance of the environment of the units. The main tactical strike unit was a battalion with mortars and artillery attached. It may seem that this looks like a guerrilla war, but it is further written that “since the beginning of the war, they (Finns. - Approx. Auth.) Act as a larger group, like a battalion supported by artillery fire and mortars, which are usually used decentrally . <...> individual guns often change their positions ”[4]. The Finns avoided frontal attacks, as was already written, and hit mainly on the flanks. In addition to mortar fire (and mortars, as mentioned above, the Finns took in their roundabout maneuvers) they are supported by the full power of artillery fire from the front. And here it should be noted that the Finns in 1941 really had more artillery than the units of the Red Army. So, in the Kondopoga direction in the middle of October 1941, the ratio of forces in light guns was one gun for the Red Army against 2,5 guns for the Finns (12 guns against 30) [1, p. 93]. Polukarov’s report ended with the following phrase: “Data on action tanks and there is no cavalry, since there was no case of their use ”[4]. The cavalry regiments "Häme" and "Uusima", included in the Oinonen group, will begin their active military operations only a month later, in early October 1941.

On August 6, 1941, senior lieutenant Podurov, chief of staff of the 81st Red Banner Joint Venture, wrote to the chief of staff of the 54th SD report, "The Finnish Army in this war and its tactics in the fight against the Red Army."

According to the report, the Finns did conduct massive mortar and artillery fire, but not aimed fire, from which the percentage of destruction from artillery fire was really small. However, Podurov notes that fire has a negative effect on the morale of fighters. Submachine gunners, like mortars, also fired aimlessly. The report also describes who the “cuckoos” were in the war of 1941-1944: “Great damage is caused by individual cuckoos, making their way to the rear and sitting down in front of the front line of defense, who, under the noise of art-shooting or machine guns, fire at our soldiers and commanders, but as soon as the cuckoo has consumed all the ammunition, it is wound from the rear or from the front edge. Remaining alone, the Finnish submachine gunner still continues to act and inflicts defeats with his sudden fire from the trees ”[5]. As Podurov noted, in an offensive battle, the Finns fight passively, when in contact with the defense, they crawl along the entire front edge in search of flanks in order to act on the environment. “The Finns do not know how to chase the retreating enemy, they are afraid to go on his shoulders when the defender leaves. So their offensive tactics are poorly developed ”[5]. The Finns' mortars were "roaming", which made it difficult to determine their location. All the wounded and killed Finns were taken out of the battlefield, and it was also noted that the Finns had well-developed mutual assistance. In paragraph 6 of the report it was written that “the Finns are very afraid of artillery and mortars of the Red Army. When fired from our side, the Finns scatter and hide in the trenches, the cracks between the stones. <...> Finns are very afraid of anti-aircraft machine guns ”[5]. The same is confirmed by data dating back to 1944, and specifically - to the Vyborg operation. “At 06.00:10 a.m. on June 1944, 21, Soviet artillery opened fire again. In two hours and twenty minutes, the artillery of the 192690st Army fired 13 shells and mines. The 172th Air Army completed 139 bombers on targets at the forefront. 176 bombers hit the rear and artillery positions. The final chord of the preparation of the fourth Stalinist strike was the simultaneous raid of 9151 attack aircraft and a volley of heavy rocket launchers at the Finnish front line. A total of 6 Katyush shells hit the Finnish position. As Soviet officers noted after this, “our units launched an offensive against a sufficiently demoralized enemy” [XNUMX].

Finnish tactics in defense and retreat


It must be said that the Finnish theater of operations of the Great Patriotic War was characterized by a long positional war. Parts literally burst into the land of the Karelian Isthmus and Karelia and held tightly at the occupied lines. The 7th separate Army and the Karelian Front conducted only a few local offensive operations in 1942.

By September 1941, Finnish troops on the Karelian Isthmus entered the line of the Karelian fortified area. Active battles continued until November, after which the front line stabilized and a positional war began there, which lasted until the start of the Vyborg offensive operation on June 9, 1944. In Karelia, the front line stabilized by December 1941, during the offensive operations of the Finnish army a large part of the KASSR and even part of the modern Vologda region. Consider the tactics of the Finns in defense.

The report of the chief of staff of the 461st joint venture of the 142nd Red Banner SD captain Zhilin, written to the chief of the second branch of the Staff of the 142nd KSD on December 10, 1941, describes the actions and tactics of the Finnish units for the period from December 1 to 10, 1941, i.e. after the cessation of the active phase of hostilities on the Karelian Isthmus (142nd KSD was part of the 23A LenF, defending on the Karelian Isthmus).

The Finns occupied defense on a wide front, taking into account and using the features of the territory - “all open areas are well shot by all types of fire weapons” [7]. The location of Finnish firepower was as follows: machine guns and mortars of 81 mm caliber are located on the flanks, the surrounding area is shot by aiming machine gun and artillery fire. The Finns dug trenches of the full profile and the passages of communication, ahead of which are mines of tension. In a closed and poorly shot area, the Finns set up a 3-4-wire wire fence, in front of which are minefields, hanging grenades and HEs. On the trees sat "cuckoos" - but not snipers, but submachine gunners with a large supply of bullets. To prevent reconnaissance by parts of the Red Army, the Finns, day and night, conduct aimless rifle-machine-gun and mortar fire, and also illuminate the area with rockets and even searchlights.

It does not make sense to describe the Finnish defense, since the device of Finnish defense on the Karelian Isthmus (VT Line) is well described on the Internet and there is even literature on this subject (see Balashov E. VT Line. Finnish defensive position on the Karelian Isthmus. 1942-1944 / E. Balashov, I. Sheremetyev. - St. Petersburg: Kareliko, 2016.). Finnish fortifications in Karelia, namely the PSS Line, U Line, the Medvezhyegorsky fortified area that was part of the Maselsky Defense Line, have been studied less well, but reliable and high-quality information on the Internet can also be found from them. Consider the tactics of the Finns when breaking through their defenses.

Finnish tactics for breaking the front line of defense


The report of the Deputy Chief of Staff of the 7th Separate Army Colonel Peshekhontsev "Tactics of the Finnish army in the offensive of our troops," written on June 12, 1943, writes that the Finns extremely stubbornly defended their main defense zone. During the defense, they relied on artificial barriers and on concentrated artillery and mortar fire. During the artillery preparation of the Red Army, the garrison of firing points at the front edge of the defense were hiding in shelters, and at the front edge there were observers who raised the alarm when the attack of the Red Army units began. Hurricane rifle-machine-gun fire starts from firing points and these points have to be suppressed by direct fire. If the attack of the Red Army begins suddenly at night, the military guard posts run away, raising the alarm, and units from the front edge of the defense, without any resistance, scatter from the dugouts in trenches. The firing points located in the depths of the defense open random fire at noise. After a short respite, the Finns begin a hurricane artillery-mortar shelling in front of the front line of their defense, and then along the trenches occupied by the Red Army units. At the same time, “the front line of their defense at the Finns is precisely shot by artillery and mortars” [8, p. 103]. The first attempts to counterattack the Finns in parts from the depths of the defense are unorganized. Counterattacks are repeated often, with more Finns with each new attack. In the event of a counterattack failure, forces from neighboring inactive defense sections, even reserves of other units, are being drawn into the war zone. All Finnish attacks are fierce and often come to hand-to-hand fights. So, in the report of Peshekhontsev, the battle for the height of “Camel” is mentioned on November 7, 1942. During the battle, the Finns made 27 counterattacks. The fighting for the height of "Camel" is mentioned in the book of P. Bograd "From the Arctic to Hungary."

Peshekhontsev mentions that, “having beaten off the trench and forcing our troops to move a bit, the Finns on the flanks of the trench leave several machine gunners armed with hand grenades, and in the middle they defiantly leave. Our units, pursuing the retreating enemy, again occupy the trench. Submachine gunners from both flanks fall upon them with grenades and machine-gun fire ”[8, p. 104].

Finnish tactics during the battle in the depths of their defense


If the Red Army units break through the front line of defense, the Finns open concentrated defensive artillery-mortar and machine-gun fire, with the aim of stopping the advancement of our units.

Then the Finns begin to accumulate forces, including fire - they maneuver the trajectories of heavy artillery standing at the firing positions, and also transfer light batteries and mortars. Having accumulated strength, by the beginning of the second or third day from the beginning of the offensive of the Red Army, the Finns begin an organized counterattack with preliminary artillery preparation and with the support of artillery and mortars. The main blow lies, as during the offensive, on the flanks of the wedged parts. Small forces act from the front. At the same time, before the start of the counterattack, small groups of Finnish submachine gunners penetrate the rear of our troops and disrupt the control of the battle, as well as prevent the ammunition from being carried. Then these groups are sharply strengthened by suitable forces, fixed at a profitable line and interrupt the approach and supply of ammunition and reinforcements. “A characteristic feature of the enemy’s actions at this stage is that he is extremely quickly secured at occupied lines.” [8, p. 104]. Then the Finns quickly restore the positions destroyed during the battle and artillery strike. Finnish artillery fire was adjusted from the air, but Finnish activity aviation was extremely inactive. As far back as 1941 it was noted that “in a defensive battle, the Finns are staunch warriors who fight stubbornly and persistently in defense, can quickly produce defensive structures, skillfully applying disguise” [5].

Another interesting document describing the Finnish tactics in defense is the report “Features in tactics and new means of fighting the enemy” written on April 16, 1943, probably by the head of the intelligence department of the Headquarters of the Karelian Front, Major General Povetkin Philip Filippovich. In it we are only interested in one sentence: “A characteristic decrease in the political and moral level of the personnel of the Finnish army for offensive operations” [9].

On August 12, 1943, Lieutenant Colonel Antonov, deputy chief of the KarF Headquarters Intelligence Division for military intelligence and information, wrote in his “Report on the peculiarities of tactics and revealed new means of fighting the enemy” that “the only peculiar event of the Finnish command for the summer period” [10] was that that the Finns strengthened the protection of the flanks of the main grouping and junctions between the tactical reserves, in order to combat the reconnaissance activities of the Red Army and partisans, whose groups went deep behind enemy lines.

Interesting data from the report of the Acting Division of the 110th Rifle Corps of the 21st Army of Major Mikhailov “On some features of the tactics of the Finnish troops on the experience of fighting corps on the Karelian Isthmus”, compiled on July 8, 1944, that is, when active hostilities on the Karelian Isthmus already coming to an end.

As Mikhailov noted, the defense of the gaps between the Finnish strongholds is carried out in small groups or pairs of machine gunners. Active snipers. “In contrast to the Germans, the village detaches itself from the roads and acts in the forest, striving for flank counterattacks.” [11, p. 9]. The Finns built a fire system on the principle of fire bags. With the advance of the Red Army units, the Finns are actively using the maintenance of fire from mortars. Fire is aptly. The adversary “is extremely sensitive to evasion and, as a rule, the battle in the environment does not lead, but leaves.” [eleven]

Conclusion


Summarizing all of the above, we must conclude that in 1941 the Finns' offensive tactics were poorly worked out - in the reports of the Red Army commanders it is noted that the Finns did not pursue our retreating units, avoided frontal attacks, tried to “partisan” more and more. However, they "partisaned" them with great strength, giving more importance to the actions of maneuverable infantry capable of hitting the flanks or rear areas, respected mortars, which they carried with them almost constantly, and also the good interaction of infantry and artillery of the Finnish army. But in 1944, the Finns made a mistake: due to the fact that once a quarter, married (once every four months - single) Finnish military men received short-term ten-day leave, which they received shortly before the start of the Soviet offensive, the fighting capacity of the Finnish army decreased by 20 % For the same reason, the number of infantry battalions in the division decreased from nine to seven.

List of sources and literature


1. Stolepova N.N. Frontiers Kondopoga / N.N. Stolepova. - Petrozavodsk: publishing house "PetroPress", 2015. - 198 p.
2. Popov D.A. The Soviet-Finnish War of 1941-1944: combat and numerical strength, combat characteristics of divisions, the balance of forces, the growth of troops of the Karelian Front of the 7th Separate Army and the 23rd Army of the Leningrad Front / D.A. Popov. - Petrozavodsk: Verso, 2019 .-- 32 p.
3. TsAMO, F. 6774, Op. 0008046, Case: 0001, L. 75.
4. TsAMO, F. 1106, Op. 0000001, Case: 0014, L. 3.
5. TsAMO, F. 6357, Op. 0697532s, Case: 0002, L. 53.
6. https://karhu1977.livejournal.com/473740.html.
7. TsAMO, F. 1368, Op. 1, Case: 18, L. 34.
8. TsAMO, F. 214, Op. 1437, Case: 677, L. 101.
9. TsAMO, F. 214, Op. 1437, Case: 466, L. 246.
10. TsAMO, F. 214, Op. 1437, Case: 677, L. 151.
11. TsAMO, F. 1002, Op. 1, Case: 48, L. 67.
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  1. Evil Booth 3 January 2020 06: 54 New
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    And about the Soviet Thu it prevents from "writing" copy-paste am
    1. volodimer 3 January 2020 11: 32 New
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      Your comments are really hard to read and understand. request
      And if the author writes a similar analysis of the tactics of the Red Army, then I will read it with pleasure. hi
  2. svp67 3 January 2020 08: 29 New
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    But in 1944, the Finns made a mistake: due to the fact that once a quarter, married (once every four months - single) Finnish soldiers received short-term ten-day leave, which they received shortly before the start of the Soviet offensive, the Finnish army’s combat efficiency decreased by 20 % For the same reason, the number of infantry battalions in the division decreased from nine to seven.
    Ah, because of what they lost ... because of the "vacationers")))
    1. ⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣Geo 3 January 2020 10: 39 New
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      Quote: svp67
      Ah, because of what they lost ... because of the "vacationers"

      I agree. Schizophrenic biased author
    2. grave 8 January 2020 14: 25 New
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      And they quickly lost 65.5 altitude in the year 40 due to the fact that a day or two before the onset of the experienced Finns they replaced the non-fired units (in my opinion, the Swedes) and washed them quickly. This caused a storm of indignation among the Finns
  3. Sergey M. Karasev 3 January 2020 08: 29 New
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    Of course, if the Finns had tank and air corps, their tactics would be different. And so: they fought on the basis of available resources in relation to the conditions of the area. And to call their tactics wretched and vicious language does not turn. They only yielded to the Germans, and that in terms of material equipment, well, and numbers, essno. And in the battle were clearly stronger than the Romanians, Magyars and Italians.
    1. grave 8 January 2020 14: 25 New
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      The Magyars fought well.
      1. Sergey M. Karasev 8 January 2020 14: 30 New
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        Still weaker than the Finns. The Finns have beaten off Karelia from us, practically, independently. And the Magyars in the offensive went with the Germans in the second echelon. And in defense on the middle Don in the winter of 1942-43. did not shine.
        1. grave 8 January 2020 14: 35 New
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          Well, not the Germans themselves, too, jumped around Karelia and the Murmansk region. And I read the war veterans about the Magyars and do not forget about Voronezh. And about the famous command order - do not take them prisoner. defended they said that there the sky with a sheepskin seemed to them even in comparison with Stalingrad
          1. Sergey M. Karasev 8 January 2020 15: 25 New
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            Well, far not the Germans themselves also jumped around Karelia and the Murmansk region.

            In Murmansk, I do not argue. Actually, in Karelia, 15 Finnish ones had one German division. Therefore, basically, the Finns took Karelia themselves.
            I am not saying that the Magyars are bad warriors. Good ones, especially when a war is going on in their territory. But the Finns, nevertheless, are better, albeit comparable.
            1. grave 8 January 2020 15: 28 New
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              Yes, the Finns are just in the forest and the warriors — as soon as they were thrown onto the field — all the Finns left and left. In Kisnyaselka (there is such a Village, you can see on the map) the cemetery There are enough graves there — 1922-1941044. Actually, as for me -Karelu. I would have to squeeze them all under the comb.
  4. ALEXEY DUSHMAN 3 January 2020 08: 34 New
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    "Well, the official 3,14 Daras, what to say!"
  5. gorenina91 3 January 2020 08: 47 New
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    -Personally, I didn’t understand anything ... -studied, studied.; described described; reported reported.; laid out the smallest ... details of this "Finnish tactics" ... and where is the result ???
    - It’s just nothing ... -Or studied all this just for the sake of "sports interest" ... -Like learning the Swahili language ... -And in 1944, if the Red Army would spread the Finnish army, then many problems for the USSR on the Kola Peninsula would have been resolved ... -And instead, it’s not clear what: “semi-surrender” ... or “semi-cease-fire" ...- Allegedly, the Finns themselves declared war on Germany and drove the Germans out of their territory ... -very weak argument ... -And as a result .., in fact ...- the USSR received a kind of "friendly sovereign neighboring state" ...- and this is a state that The former fought on the side of Hitler and took an active part in the siege of Leningrad .. -that we all “arrived” ... ... -And it could be (and it should have been ...- “Soviet Finland Republic” (SFR) .., a member of the Warsaw Pact ...
    -Personally, I think that the then government (Stalin) made a very serious mistake that did not take Helsinki ... -Probably they just couldn’t "really" beat the Finnish army to pieces ... ... there is ... -In this case, the USSR would really go to the borders of Sweden and Norway and would solidify on the Kola Peninsula ... -But this did not happen ... -And the result was scanty ...- “Pyrrhic victory” ...
    1. Snail N9 3 January 2020 10: 08 New
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      If they had occupied Helsinki .... England, France, Sweden and others would have declared war on us. We were already kicked out of the League of Nations and threatened with even worse consequences. However ... maybe all the same it was necessary not to stop and not be afraid of the threats of the then "world community" and go to the end - to put the puppet government in Helsinki, then a civil war would start in Finnish and the whole history of the Second World War might turn around to another .... But this is guesswork, but we have what we have.
      1. gorenina91 3 January 2020 10: 47 New
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        -Yes., Helsinki were going to take it., But just again didn’t have enough strength ...- the Finns again showed fierce effective resistance and the Red Army was unable to advance deep into Finland ...- the history of 1939 began to repeat ... -and so to defeat Finland it would be necessary to transfer very significant forces of the Red Army and again it would take a huge amount of time (and the Red Army again would suffer heavy losses) ...- And all these forces were needed against the Germans ...
        -That's because the Red Army did not succeed in defeating Finland from a swarm ..- and everything threatened to go back into a protracted bloody war with Finland ... ... that's why the USSR agreed to such a peace treaty with Finland ...
        -And on England, France and Sweden ...- The USSR already wanted to sneeze then ... -To do they could do it then ... -Just they would immediately get on the teeth ... -Yes then they would not dare to show any real military action against the USSR ...
        1. Dale 3 January 2020 15: 51 New
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          Quote: gorenina91
          effective resistance

          Quote: gorenina91
          Red Army failed to defeat Finland

          Quote: gorenina91
          to defeat Finland would need to transfer the very powerful forces of the Red Army

          Have you read anything about the events besides the Finnish agitation? You carry complete inadequacy.
        2. Alexey RA 5 January 2020 00: 56 New
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          Quote: gorenina91
          -Yes., Helsinki was going to take it., But just again did not have enough strength ...- the Finns again showed fierce effective resistance and the Red Army was unable to advance deep into Finland ...- the history of 1939 began to repeat ...

          A little bit about violent and effective resistance Finns in 1944.
          Bair sent an hourly bait on June 19-20, 1944. in Vyborg. The picture, if in two words, turns gloomy. Mess, the compulsory companion of defeats decided the situation. Some descriptions painfully resemble our records of the 41st.
          Around 13.00, Soviet tanks line up on a highway and begin to move forward. The first tank is blown up by a mine, but continues to fire. Two KV-1 tanks remain to cover him, the fourth T-34 tank successfully slipped through the minefield and drove to Kalevankatu (Pervomaiskaya Street), continuing to shell Finnish positions. Thus, this T-34 was in the rear of the sixth company. The 45 mm cannon, which was in the sixth company, could not destroy the Soviet tank. The calculation threw the gun and left the battlefield. The soldiers of the company did not know how to use the panzer shreks. The 75 mm PAK-40 anti-tank guns arrived at 12.00:XNUMX, but without any calculations, and there was no one to fire from them.

          Around 10.00 - the telephone connection between the 2nd battalion and the brigade headquarters is interrupted due to heavy artillery shelling and is no longer being restored. The brigade headquarters decides to keep in touch with delegates.
          11.00 a.m. Major Bekman, the commander of the 2nd Battalion, transfers the battalion’s CP 500 meters to the north, forgetting to inform his company about this.

          Around 12.00:2, the commander of the second platoon of the sixth company, Fenric Robert Castren, reports to the company commander that, on the other side of the highway, the soldiers of the fifth company left their positions and flee to the rear. In the second platoon, rumors are circulating that a withdrawal order has been given and that the first platoon has already withdrawn. Robert Castren sent a liaison officer to the third platoon to report this, but he decided to find out more precisely about the order from the company commander, captain Kauko Askol. Komroti said that there was no order to withdraw. However, it was already impossible to correct the situation, since the third platoon had already managed to escape from the position. Askola went to the battalion’s command post to catch deserters, but there he encountered a liaison officer from the battalion’s headquarters, who assured the captain that the battalion commander had given the order to withdraw. After this, Askola also ordered the withdrawal of his company.

          © kris-reid
        3. grave 8 January 2020 15: 40 New
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          The USSR, in principle, didn’t “agree” to a truce, the USSR itself offered Finland one. And did the USSR want to sneeze in England Sweden and France? Oops, how is it ... Maybe you should cook cabbage soup in the kitchen rather than thinking about the politics of those years? And it’s just smarter than diplomats ... The USSR did not set a priori the 39th or 44th goal of intervention in Finland.
      2. gorenina91 3 January 2020 18: 11 New
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        If they had occupied Helsinki .... England, France, Sweden and others would have declared war on us. We were already kicked out of the League of Nations and threatened with even worse consequences.


        -What are you writing ???
        -Those. you should be understood in such a way that ... what ... what ... that the USSR., fearing England, France and Sweden, simply did not fight against Finland, which was its real opponent in the period 1941-1944 and inflicted this is a huge damage to the USSR, and did not begin to punish and defeat this enemy, but simply concluded a truce with Finland ??? - Because England, France and Sweden so "wanted" ??? -So what ???
        - In your opinion, the USSR then continued to fight against Hitler’s minions ... -Romania, Hungary, Italy (and fascist Germany itself) just because he was “allowed” to do this by England, France and Sweden ??? -What is so "your way" ???
        -A good thing you depicted here ... -Just ...- no comment ... -Hahah ...
        1. grave 8 January 2020 15: 43 New
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          Read the chronology of the negotiations between Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin in Yalta - and disputes over Finland and its status after the end of the war, too.
    2. ⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣Geo 3 January 2020 10: 42 New
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      Probably just couldn’t "really" then smash the Finnish army

      Yeah. They took Berlin, but Helsinki could not. Why are you writing obvious nonsense?
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        write obvious nonsense?


        -Follow your tongue ... otherwise you can shorten it ...
        -Yes .., we really couldn’t take Helsinki ... -To do this, it would take huge forces from the fronts that were conducting offensive operations against the German troops ..... -It would take tanks .., heavy artillery and aviation, and up to a dozen RKKA infantry divisions ...- and Stalin’s headquarters didn’t have anything of this “excess” in reserve ... -And those forces that launched the very unsuccessful military operations against the Finnish army in 1944 were catastrophically insufficient ... -I the whole offensive very quickly failed completely (as in 1939) ... -That agreed I was then the Soviet Union on the "peace treaty" with the Finns ...
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                  1. gorenina91 3 January 2020 17: 22 New
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                    -Yes, I just see that here the "group of accomplices" applauds the boor and gives him all the best ... - Meanwhile, none of them even tried to explain and prove with facts .. and arguments ... -Why then the Red Army then, in 1944, it didn’t easily and simply defeat the Finnish army and did not occupy Helsinki ... -That's so simple ...- would have taken and entered Helsinki ...
                    -And then the USSR would have a whole bunch of trump cards in the continuation of the victory over Hitler ... -And neither England, nor France, nor Sweden would even dare to utter a peep ...
                    -But here they only know how to set cons and do not really know how to prove something ...- obviously this is easier ...
                    -Therefore, I stop throwing beads ... -It's just no use ...
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                      Just do not forget that the Bolsheviks loved and regretted Finland from pre-revolutionary times, when the Russian police and gendarmerie were limited in their actions against the social democrats in the territory of the Grand Duchy, the Finns actively participated in the revolution and supported the Bolsheviks, even Lenin was hiding before the October rebellion in October at the Finnish worker’s apartment, and the independence of Finland was granted immediately after the seizure of power, so there were certain agreements that ensured Finland onnye privileges
                      And in 1944 it was clear where the fate of the war was decided and it was not Helsinki
                      And the Soviet Union received everything that Finland wanted from Finland - the territories, bases, internment and disarmament of German troops, material compensation, by the way, the NKGB mobile groups in Finland arrested opponents of the Soviet government, emigrants from Russia, etc.
                      1. gorenina91 4 January 2020 06: 04 New
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                        And the Soviet Union received everything that Finland wanted from Finland - the territories, bases, internment and disarmament of German troops, material compensation, by the way, the NKGB mobile groups in Finland arrested opponents of the Soviet government, emigrants from Russia, etc.


                        -What is the USSR received from Finland in 1944 ...
                        - The USSR could have “received” the same halim minimum from Hitler’s former allies ...- Romania, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and even from fascist Germany itself ... -Here would have taken the USSR then after defeating fascist Germany and its minions and ... and ... and ... and, ignoring the agreements of the Yalta Conference ... -I would take and make a friendly gesture (almost like under Gorbachev) ...- and just withdraw my troops after victory in May 1945 from Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania, from the Soviet sector of Germany and just returned to Russia, monstrously destroyed by the war ... -And would When to be content with the USSR only that he (the USSR) ... allegedly received "everything he wanted" .., namely:
                        territories, bases, internment and disarmament of German troops, material compensation, by the way, the NKGB mobile groups in Finland arrested opponents of the Soviet government, emigrants from Russia, etc.


                        -How would it all look like ...- it’s just scary to imagine ...- It’s enough just to recall such “friendly gestures” made by Gorbachev in the 80s of the last century ...- and what it all resulted in ... - We still disentangle ...
                        -This is just a nightmare horror ...
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                        With regard to Eastern Europe and Germany, the USSR was connected, as you noted, by the decisions of the Tehran (in 1944), and then the Yalta and Potsdam conferences.
                        In Tehran, the USSR joined the demand for unconditional surrender of Germany (for the first time in history, such a demand was put forward by one of the warring coalitions) and this was the basis for interaction with the Allies,
                        If. If the USSR could get from Germany not even what it received from Finland, but at least return the occupied territories, the border of 1940, with some concessions and material compensation to a year like that in 1942 (for example, in the spring of that year before the start of the summer company), he would rather all out of the war.
                        And after the war In Eastern Europe, the USSR’s plans also constantly changed and the “Finlandization” of many states was considered in the Stalin era as the preferred option, the example of Austria, the USSR’s proposal to create a single neutral Germany, the withdrawal of troops from Romania, Iran, China (while maintaining military bases) , the withdrawal of troops from the country and the rejection of force pressure on Yugoslavia after the conflict with Tito, etc.
                        There was much more benefit from Finland (and then Austria) to the USSR than from the “social camp” (solvent markets with the technology transit function from the west)
                        And the strategic security issues after the creation of nuclear weapons were provided by military bases (by the way, the liquidation of Khrushchev's military bases in China and Finland, as well as the withdrawal of troops by the Gorbachevs from Eastern Europe and Yeltsin from the Baltic states, served as the basis for the modern process of reviewing the results of the Second World War.
      2. Flatter 3 January 2020 22: 41 New
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        By the middle of 1944, the outcome of the war was clear. The Finnish bridgehead of Germany no longer represented such a danger as at the beginning of the war. Realizing the inevitable defeat of Germany, the Finns in August 1944, through their ambassador to Sweden, requested the conditions of surrender from the USSR. All the requirements of the USSR were fulfilled by them. Thousands of lives of Soviet soldiers and officers were saved. This is the main victory.
        1. gorenina91 4 January 2020 06: 26 New
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          Realizing the imminent defeat of Germany, the Finns in August 1944, through their ambassador in Sweden, requested the conditions of surrender from the USSR. All the requirements of the USSR were fulfilled by them. Thousands of lives of Soviet soldiers and officers were saved. This is the main victory.


          -Thus, Finland then just slipped away from punishment and got everything she wanted ...
          -Then the USSR simply made a big mistake by not introducing its troops into Finland after the victory in 1945 ... -Then it could be done quite easily and without losses ...
          -Well, what .. that a "peace treaty" was concluded with Finland in 1944 ... -he was not at all profitable for the USSR ... -And big politics don’t do that ...
          -Because the USSR had the same “peace treaty” with militaristic Japan. However, we still had to fight with it and there were dead Soviet soldiers ... -But then a “friendly gesture” was made ...- and the USSR didn’t landed his troops in Japan after defeating Japan ..... -USA then landed in Japan and set up their bases there. But the USSR did not do this then ... -That is today and reaping the fruits of these "friendly gestures" .. .
          -Today, Japan constantly raises questions about the "return of her supposedly its islands" ... -And Finland is constantly "blackmailing" Russia by the fact that it is ready to join NATO ...
          1. grave 8 January 2020 14: 43 New
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            Nobody entered into agreements with Finland in the 44th year — don’t write heresy. And they wouldn’t easily have occupied Finland without loss-See the chronology of the battles on Ikhantala-There everyone and our Finns seemed to have a damn and we didn’t go any further. .d. You don’t know the story well, learn it. Stalin didn’t make decisions on Finland alone. All negotiations with the Finns were conducted through Sweden at the international level and were monitored by both Britain and the USA. Your perceptions of those events are too narrow
    3. grave 8 January 2020 15: 46 New
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      Her boothy job is to cook cabbage soup in the kitchen, she doesn’t even understand what she wrote. Disputes in Yalta were mostly and longest conducted precisely in Finland and its status after the war, as well as in the volume of reparations that she had to pay the USSR for herself and for Germany .. Since Finland had little Germany owed equipment, etc., all debt to Germany now fell to Finland.
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    Finland, which lay under Hitler, was like a small, puny jackal, who, unable to hunt on his own, minced for the big beast that had attacked our country, hoping to profit from leftovers from his table.
    And we had a corresponding attitude towards that Finland. They kicked her out of our territory and ordered her to sit quietly while we were busy with our main enemy. And she sat and sat. Everything is simple and clear.
    1. mamonthful 7 January 2020 05: 54 New
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      yes, yes, they were twice humiliated by a small country, a former colony, which they themselves attacked twice, in which ALL weapons were trophy (and a little bought) and it took 3 years and an incredible concentration of firepower to somehow break the resistance of ordinary infantrymen.
      1. grave 8 January 2020 15: 49 New
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        But can you tell me the reasons for the attack on the "innocent" Finland? Maybe there were reasons and experience of “communicating” with “innocent” Finns? What we wanted at 39 we got more than that. We also achieved our goals in 44. And Finland has never been a colony within the Russian Empire, it’s like that et for reference
        1. mamonthful 8 January 2020 16: 40 New
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          Yes, it was not known on June 25 that we now know. Finnish mine installations were conducted secretly, from submarines, and the installations of German ships were not opened, because produced at night. As of June 25, there were 3 German aircraft at the only Finnish airfield.
          Well, American bombers, having bombed in Japan, also sat down in our Far East at times, so what?

          Of course it was a colony, just the hypocritical Russopatriots warped comparison with the bourgeois countries, which they used to blame for "oppression of peoples." 80% of the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia was an actual colony, from where the center pumped out money and resources, leaving them all the same dirty and impoverished province. Yes, there was no ocean between Moscow and the Urals, but that doesn’t change anything!
          1. grave 8 January 2020 16: 59 New
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            Well, firstly, there are far from three aircraft))) The Germans did not put three bombers into the bays or contactless mines in the bays. They allocated 15 to mine! Pieces and they said, do whatever you want with them. Then, a Russian flying boat found a German boat that put mines as early as June 21 and even took on board a little lead from the Germans. These are the first shots at the Second World War. And the Finns had not a lot more airfields)) ). Further, the Finns were used by the German crews as a navigator for laying mines in the bays. And Finland was a Grand Duchy that was not taxed, had its own currency, legislative-executive power, men were not taken into the army, etc. Moreover, with a wide gesture, Alexander (I don’t remember exactly) also gave the zemlyatniks to them. And Finland was so independent in the Empire)) That even Lenin was hiding there. In short, don’t write nonsense, I’m funny from Karelia and I know how much our ancestors grabbed from Finnish campaigns in eastern and southern Karelia in 18-22.
            1. mamonthful 8 January 2020 17: 14 New
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              It is 3 aircraft, an airfield with a long name on the "L", I can dig and say.
              Finnish airfields were mainly used for refueling upon return; there was no permanent base there.

              Moreover, I read an article a couple of years about this bombing, and Soviet intelligence in Finland was set SO bad that there were 2 non-existent airdromes in the list of targets, and the coordinates of several others were so inconsistent with the real ones that they simply could not be found.

              However, this is a typical situation for Soviet attacks on Finland. In the 1944 bombing of Helsinki, about 5 THOUSAND sorties were carried out, in the last major (third raid) more than 900 planes participated in three waves ... and only 5% of the dropped bombs fell on Helsinki, 150 houses were destroyed, and no military facilities were injured.

              Yes, Finnish troops were on some ships and planes of the German armed forces as navigators / pilots, but as of June 25, no one knew about this.

              You will learn how to separate your aftertaste from the real facts that were available at the time of the decision.
              1. grave 8 January 2020 17: 31 New
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                And the rest apparently took off from the moon))) All the scouts! The Germans that before the war flew and photographed the territory of the Baltic countries went from Kenegsberg to Finland-there they sat down at airfields and then flew heading back. The Germans allocated (not three) bombers and something about 15 cars or more for setting mines and in the case of an attempt to withdraw our fleet through the channel — its bombardment. Germany didn’t want to bomb the Baltic fleet at the berths immediately led to not good results and, as a result, Germany regretted it very much. There were simply no aircraft at all. But there were not three at all! And certainly Finnish air units didn’t take off the whole war from one airport)) and they didn’t bomb Leningrad from one airport))))) Strategists bombed everything I wanted in 44, the main task was that Stalin outlined in a personal meeting (I don’t remember the last name . far from aviation. Let’s help Golovanov) to remove Finland from the war by carpet bombing. And not to get exactly "somewhere." Well, he couldn’t do it, he was punished and was not offended.
                1. mamonthful 8 January 2020 19: 40 New
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                  You need to learn to READ.
                  On June 25, there were 3 Luftwaffe aircraft in Finland.
                  not 22, not 23, but 25.

                  The Baltic Fleet was so useless in the war that it transferred 80% of its personnel to land units (about 90 thousand people). Here is the best assessment of his contribution to the course of events. And the Tallinn crossing is the best demonstration of its capabilities.

                  By order of Mannerheim, flights of Finnish aviation over Leningrad were banned, so how the Finnish 23 Bleinheim and the Security Council were supposed to “bomb Leningrad”, except in your imagination, is incomprehensible.

                  No one was punished. The Red Army’s intelligence was disgusting, they couldn’t even take aerial photographs of Helsinki, as a result they believed the Finnish mass disinformation company (newspapers, rumors, radio programs about the "city lying in ruins") and there were no further bombings.

                  I will say more - in 1992, a meeting of former rivals was held and one of the raiders (a famous pilot, forgot his name, participated in 2 waves of three in the last raid), with foam at the mouth he proved to the finals that his squadron flew to the port and bombed it . The Finns, who counted each funnel and each damaged house, only turned a finger at the temple.
                  Yes, errors in assessing the damage caused are common, but in the Red Army and especially (!) In aviation and submarine, they acquired not only a mass character, but actually a criminal one. Squadron and submarine commanders directly attributed victory to themselves, which was revealed by the commissions after the war, and in several cases even before it ended. Everyone wanted fame, MONEY, to live longer (and not burn from air defense). And if other warring countries had a developed system of collecting and processing information, then the Red Army simply had to take a word! It turned out that the average rate of overstating the enemy’s losses in our fighter aircraft, for example, was 3 times higher than that of the Germans, who had film cameras from the very beginning, and discipline and responsibility did not allow collusion "let's say that Ivanov shot down "Well, after all, the Fritz flew from the battle!"
                  1. grave 8 January 2020 20: 17 New
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                    Have you just written about what? I stated above that not three planes were based in Finland, wrote that part. There was not one airport and not three planes. And you tell me something else ... What does Finnish aviation have to do with it? I gave you an air-German connection ... its number. Basing and you give me twenty-five again ...
                    1. mamonthful 8 January 2020 20: 59 New
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                      Quote: Kapa
                      And certainly Finnish air units did not take off the whole war from one airport)) and they did not bomb Leningrad from one airport)))))
                      And here Finnish aviation, really.
              2. grave 8 January 2020 18: 07 New
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                25 Junkers Yu-88 from the 806 coastal air group (with a tradition of 502 air groups in this number) were based at the Utti airfield.
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                  they were not there
                  KGr.806 based:
                  4.6.41 - 8.41 Prowehren

                  1 squadron for several days was allocated (just 22 numbers) to the Märvi airfield
                  1. grave 8 January 2020 20: 58 New
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                    I can send those photos where the bomber is at the Finnish airfield
                    1. mamonthful 8 January 2020 21: 02 New
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                      I can send a photo of the smiling Soviet and German officers standing together, but this will not mean anything except that they were in Brest at the withdrawal of troops on September 22, 1939, the benefit of DATE is known.
                    2. grave 8 January 2020 21: 41 New
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                      There is a link, a fairy tale about 3 German bombers that put mines across the Baltic is a fairy tale, and do not tell her somewhere else .. and about One Finnish airfield)))
                    3. mamonthful 8 January 2020 23: 12 New
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                      you cannot understand everything - yes, on June 22 there were German air groups, but they completed their tasks within a few days and flew back.
                      Do you know what airplane service is? Who and how will produce it at the Finnish airfield for a rather sophisticated technique, which was the Yu-88? Finnish technicians do not know how. Carry German staff and spare parts?
                      No one denied that the Germans used Finnish airfields to "jump", but no more.
                      Therefore, on June 25, there were only 3 pieces of German aircraft at Finnish airfields.
                    4. grave 9 January 2020 07: 38 New
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                      Wow, the Finns actually flew on the BF109 G6 including .... hmm ...
                    5. mamonthful 9 January 2020 13: 55 New
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                      yeah, since March 1943!

                      And actually this is a different plane, it requires its technicians and its consumables.
                    6. grave 9 January 2020 13: 57 New
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                      Well, yes, of course, the Finns didn’t have bombers))) There I sent a special transfer-link. He specializes in the Navy and operations in the Baltic Sea, etc. He digs archives in Germany and Russia. I like him I believe more. Yes, and I myself from Karelia because I know what and where flew and who piloted
                    7. mamonthful 9 January 2020 14: 15 New
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                      You seem to know something somewhere, but systemically you simply have failures.

                      Can you imagine how much it takes to train a technical specialist to service some kind of aircraft, even at the end of the 30s? After all, this is not civilian exploitation, here combat damage can be the most unusual and extensive, every screw and wiring must be known by heart. Therefore, the technicians who serviced the Finnish Bleinheims and SBs cannot in any way be competent even for regular technical inspection of the junkers, not only that of OTHER machines, and even technically much more advanced (complex) ones.

                      First, Morozov is a specialist in the fleet (moreover, the Soviet fleet), and not the Luftwaffe.
                      Secondly, my data do not contradict him in any way (except for the obscure German pronunciation of the Finnish toponym). Yes, 2 air groups were deployed by June 22. But when they flew away, he said?
                    8. grave 9 January 2020 16: 41 New
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                      And what difference does it make when they flew away? They set up minefields - for this and for other actions they were sent there.
                    9. mamonthful 9 January 2020 16: 55 New
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                      I have never denied this. You clung to my phrase about three planes at a single aerodrome, but you did not know enough about the issue.
                    10. grave 9 January 2020 16: 58 New
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                      Duck of these aircraft is not three, and certainly in Finland there was more than one airdrome))))
                    11. mamonthful 9 January 2020 17: 04 New
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                      I brought you a study on this topic, EVERY part is listed
                      http://actualhistory.ru/soviet-finland-1941_2
    2. mamonthful 9 January 2020 04: 13 New
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      especially for you

      http://actualhistory.ru/soviet-finland-1941_2

      “Three German Do-215s of 1 were transferred to Lounetjärvi airfield. (F) /Aufkl.Gr/ob.dL”

      Only they remained in Finland by June 25
    3. grave 9 January 2020 17: 00 New
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      What do you want to say that the waters of the Baltic, Finnish and other bays, as well as the passages of 3 aircraft were mined by bottom bombs? What are you? !!!!
      Paul plane did all the work
    4. mamonthful 9 January 2020 17: 05 New
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      I want to say that you are bad.
    5. grave 9 January 2020 17: 06 New
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      Yes, I don’t have to say anything, only a narrow-minded person can believe that 3 planes have flown over and mined from the whole of the Baltic! Finnish airfield. Everything at that.
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      Can't you read at all? The article explicitly says that the Finns allocated 5 airfields to the Germans (including 1 at Petsamo), where the Germans drove 2 air groups (flew back before June 25) and one reconnaissance group.
      They continued to mine the Baltic already from the Baltic airfields - so logistics is much simpler.
  • grave 8 January 2020 21: 02 New
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K84PighUxcM
    here it’s all where everything was based where and when and where it flew, check out
    1. mamonthful 8 January 2020 22: 38 New
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      I watched this video as soon as it came out.

      In my sources, the location is called differently
      https://www.ww2.dk/air/seefl/kflgr806.htm
  • Catfish 5 January 2020 10: 07 New
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    - Personally, I think that the then government (Stalin) made a very serious mistake, which did not occupy Helsinki ...

    Poor Joseph Vissarionovich, did not think of it, could not, the mind was not enough. laughing Ah, Madame Irina would have been in his advisers! wassat
    -A could have been (and should have been ...- "Soviet Finnish Republic" (SFR) .., a member of the Warsaw Pact ...

    For a long time? And where is he now, this Warsaw Pact? request
    And the extra blood of our soldiers during the assault on Helsinki Madame does not care? Although at the very beginning of your post you wrote absolutely right:
    8:47 - Personally, I still don’t understand anything ...

    This was what we needed to stop. love
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      Madame - a typical L / DPR heroine, a lot of such "politically literate" crawled out in 6 years (some burned out in Odessa, though)
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        Did you clap your hands when people burned alive in Odessa?
        1. mamonthful 7 January 2020 17: 11 New
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          no, I watched all the video events and saw that the vast majority of those present in the square helped people escape from the building, and those who fell out of the burning windows were carried to the ambulances, who could not drive up.
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    such were the agreements of the allies. Greece was also “thrown”, ignoring the communist uprising there - it was retreating to the western sphere of influence.
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    Well, Stalin resolved the issue of Finland with Churchill and Roosevelt in Yalta - and the longest. And the Finns paid reparations both for themselves and Germany. The last thing they did was give a piece of territory from the hydroelectric power station. And in 1944 it was not planned for Stavka to occupy Finland stood on the word "absolutely." The occupation of Finland would complicate relations with Sweden (through which negotiations and the Finnish side for a very long and painful time, in particular, had negotiations with the Finnish side). While the Finns complied with all the conditions of the USSR on getting out of the war, it can be considered our complete victory government.
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    By the way, ours have concluded a truce with them. Our agreement said that they will conclude it only when that's it! our side’s requirements will be fulfilled — all debts will be paid, etc. This is the Paris Peace Treaty in 1946 — ours did not lead and did not sign anything until all the obligations on the Finnish side were fulfilled
  • midshipman 3 January 2020 10: 04 New
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    Dear readers of VO, read my article in VO Stop the Enemy by Dam Dam. Much will fall into place.
  • ABM
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    Quote: midshipman
    Dear readers of VO, read my article in VO Stop the Enemy by Dam Dam. Much will fall into place.


    the link would be hung
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      Quote: ABM
      the link would be hung

      https://topwar.ru/36581-prikaz-ostanovit-vraga-vzryvom-platiny.html
      1. Ua3qhp 3 January 2020 18: 54 New
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        An interesting phrase in the article “Through the efforts of the militarized security of the canal, the testers of the radio engineering system of one of the research institutes of Leningrad who conducted research there, and four prisoners - these were students seconded to provide testing of the equipment,”
        Who was the prisoner? Students or WOHR?
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          The question, of course, is interesting. Students are constructing phrases, but they are also seconded for equipment testing. I think the author, Yuri Grigorievich Shatrakov will answer you better.
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    It is believed that after the "sitting" 41-44 years. The Soviet troops were so decomposed that it came to the disbandment of units as uncompetitive. I don’t say anything concrete, it’s just mentioned somewhere ..
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      There is an opinion that you are mistaken.
      At least by the fact that in 41-44 years. there were no Soviet troops. Until February 1946, the military formation of the USSR was officially named the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army (RKKA)
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        At least by the fact that in 41-44 years. there were no Soviet troops. Until February 1946, the military formation of the USSR was officially named the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army (RKKA)

        Dmitry. Do not quibble. Let it be the Red Army. Were these other troops?
        Honestly, I’m too lazy to look for a source (a book, not a link on the Web). But I think this situation is possible in the absence of rotation.
        And the Finns, as described above, could afford a vacation of up to 20% of the personnel.
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      And there were few troops, and on this basis, at first it was decided to strike in the Leningrad Region, pulling the Finnish forces from the Karelian Isthmus and start the operation on the Karelian a little later.
      1. Kerensky 8 January 2020 16: 19 New
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        I do not agree. The war of revenge was not for that. And the front line passed ... passed ... On the rivers and lakes! And no one was looking for the bayonet of the enemy, for it is better to sit on your own shore and exchange chocolate for tobacco.
        I do not mean that. If in Talvisota we were enemies, then there is no revenge. Both that and another ended with the Vyborg operation.
        1. grave 8 January 2020 16: 25 New
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          It did not end with the Vyborg operation — by no means — it ended near the village of Ikhontalla. After the capture of Vyborg (although, in fact, it wasn’t taken by the Finns themselves, they left) The fighting continued — and very fierce
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            After the capture of Vyborg (although, in fact, it wasn’t taken by the Finns themselves left there), the battles continued and were very fierce

            I do not agree on both wars. But let's go in PM, so as not to become like some of our comrades who take out the whole rubbish here ..
            1. grave 8 January 2020 17: 49 New
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              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo1534jo830&list=PLDX8yACkVdIk0dJj-3Gl262oNsqCLWdYn&index=3
              About Vyborg more or less
              here is according to Ihantallah:
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF3tizFq7XA&list=PLQCYG6lKBuTak6fMrt9prD-RN7drCk_2n&index=47
  • Nikolai 3 January 2020 20: 57 New
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    Finding Finland out of the war is a brilliant decision. Without unnecessary losses, by the hands of the Finns defeat the Germans in Finland. To deprive Finland of access to the Barents Sea, to lease islands in the Baltic Sea, to get a good neutral neighbor included in the economy of the USSR. That would be every victory!
  • Vladimir_2U 4 January 2020 06: 46 New
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    Firstly, these are attempts in any way to avoid frontal attacks. For the entire duration of the battle of the 337th joint venture, surrounded and upon leaving it, the Finns only once attempted a frontal attack. Finns tried to influence the flanks
    Weaned the Finns from frontal attacks:

    KIRKONPUOLI, who defended 3/461 joint venture - the battalion commander, senior lieutenant SHUTOV.
    The art of [mortar] mortar preparation by the Finns lasted about 3 hours, about 2000 shells and mines were fired, 10 machine guns, several large-caliber machine guns and a large number of machine guns and light machine guns were put into operation on the Finnish side in front of the battalion. Organized fire 3/461 SP repeated attacks of the white Finns were repulsed with large losses for him.
    In the rumble of the artillery-mortar and machine-gun cannonade, yells and groans of badly wounded Finns were heard, the presence of smoke from a burning forest prevented the whole catastrophic history of the Finnish offensive.
    In the battle for the stronghold of KIRKONPUOLI for the period June - July, the white Finns suffered tremendous losses - over 800 people were only killed.

    https://iknigi.net/avtor-andrey-marchukov/96754-ot-leningrada-do-berlina-vospominaniya-artillerista-o-voyne-i-odnopolchanah-19411945-andrey-marchukov/read/page-13.html
  • Comrade Kim 5 January 2020 20: 07 New
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    Quote: gorenina91
    -Yes., Helsinki and were going to take

    The leadership of the country did not set such a task for the Red Army.
    In principle, the Finns suffered due to Chukhon obstinacy.
    Before the war, we proposed that they “exchange” territories, and the total area of ​​our lands leaving Finland was greater than those territories in which the USSR was interested.
    Proud and excessively stubborn Finns “sent” our proposals, and received a war.
    When several Soviet bombs fell on Helsinki, the Finnish delegation sharply wanted to sign an agreement on our terms.
    PS But they could have razed the land of Helsinki, as several years later, did the Anglo-Americans with Dresden.
    1. grave 8 January 2020 16: 11 New
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      They didn’t bomb Helsinki, but a water station-port, a railway station and a bus station. Our brave navigator missed a little, about a kilometer))) And the Finns were not going to sign anything after the bombing)))
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      uu1 8 January 2020 17: 36 New
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      Quote: Comrade Kim
      Before the war, we proposed that they “exchange” territories, and the total area of ​​our lands leaving Finland was greater than those territories in which the USSR was interested.

      Learn what the “quality of the earth” is.
      Formally, the Russian Federation is the largest country in the world by territory.
      But in fact, 85% of the territory of the Russian Federation is the territory unsuitable for permanent residence of the population (except for Aboriginal people) and the conduct of economic activity.
      These are approximately such territories that the Finns of the USSR proposed.
  • Battle Cat 5 January 2020 22: 28 New
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    Thanks to the author, the article came in, it would be interesting to read about the tactics of the Hungarians and Italians on our front, with an explanation of the composition of weapons and typical tactics from the infantry squad to the battalion inclusive.