Today the USSR would have turned 97 years old

Today the USSR would have turned 97 years old

On December 30, 1922, a country appeared on the world map in which the majority of readers of this material were born.


It was 97 years ago that the Treaty on the Formation of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was approved at the First Congress of Soviets with the signing of the heads of delegations. The structure of the Soviet Union at that time included the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic, the Byelorussian SSR, the Ukrainian SSR and the Transcaucasian Soviet Federation. Subsequently, as you know, the Soviet Union totaled 15 ally of the republics.

Some of the most important reasons for the formation of the Soviet Union officially sounded like this: the threat of new military intervention from outside, economic pressure and isolation from the West.

The official recognition of the new state took place, to put it mildly, not immediately. So, the first seven countries that recognized the USSR did this only six months after the creation of the Soviet Union. We are talking about countries such as Germany, Afghanistan, Poland, Turkey, Mongolia, Iran and Finland. It is noteworthy that Poland and Finland were quick to recognize the USSR, since the Soviet leadership did not put forward any territorial requirements, abandoning the "idea" of creating a state within the borders of the former Russian Empire.

Recognition by these countries took place in July 1923. Great Britain and Italy recognized the USSR in February 1924, then Austria and Norway.

It is worth paying attention to the fact that the United States understood the need to recognize the existence of the USSR only in 1933. Even later - from 1934 to 1940, the USSR recognized some countries of Eastern Europe (of the existing ones - Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania).

At the time of 1990, the Soviet Union had a population of nearly 300 million people, an industrial production rate of 16,5% of the world total (second indicator), national income of 3,4% (7th place in the world), outstanding scientific, technological and humanitarian schools. And most importantly - the desire of the overwhelming majority of citizens to live, love, work in a single country.

But, as you know, the desire of the majority did not just give a damn, but also did not give a damn with special cynicism. The “Bialowieza” betrayal by those in power of the interests of the state and people crossed out the results of the referendum, and the huge country ceased to exist overnight.

The red flag against the background of the dark sky over Moscow was lowered - not only the country, but an entire era has gone. It turned out that the divided borders were not just nations, but also families. And the echoes of that collapse still hack in the vast expanses from the Pacific Ocean to the Black Sea. One can argue for a long time about the fact that in the beginning of the 20s someone “planted a bomb under the USSR”, but completely different people who, by the way, didn’t make any effort to get that notorious “bomb” (if it really was), neutralize.

Today, the Soviet Union would be 97.
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  1. cniza 30 December 2019 14: 52 New
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    And the echoes of that collapse still hack in the vast expanses from the Pacific Ocean to the Black Sea.


    Not just hoot, but bake in full - the same Ukraine.
    1. Svarog 30 December 2019 14: 54 New
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      Great nostalgia .. Red flag .. and to which .. he interfered. They sold such an empire ... they ruined it ... and now they’re bred demagoguery .. they say there was nothing besides galoshes .. mde .. sadness.
      1. GKS 2111 30 December 2019 15: 04 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Great nostalgia .. Red flag ..


        Nostalgia for a happy and calm life, for free kindergartens, for the best education in the world, free medicine, confidence in the future ..
        1. volodimer 30 December 2019 17: 05 New
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          I will not write anything, I want a lot, but it will turn out on emotions ...
          I’ll turn on the USSR anthem and listen.
          By the way, there are different languages ​​in the internet on the svmuzik. It sounds very powerful in English.
          1. Dude 30 December 2019 18: 02 New
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            Quote: volodimer
            I will not write anything, I want a lot, but it will turn out on emotions ...
            I’ll turn on the USSR anthem and listen.
            By the way, there are different languages ​​in the internet on the svmuzik. It sounds very powerful in English.

            I agree with you !!! I want to write a lot, but the forum format is not quite suitable for an array of text. And it will be difficult to cope with emotions, here you are again right ...
            In my opinion, the strongest performance of Our anthem in English is by Paul Robson good
            The strongest voice and the most powerful energy!
            So let’s drink for the most advanced (no kidding!) State in the history of mankind !! drinks
          2. Tuzik 30 December 2019 20: 44 New
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            Quote: volodimer
            I will not write anything, I want a lot, but it will turn out on emotions ...
            I’ll turn on the USSR anthem and listen.
            By the way, there are different languages ​​in the internet on the svmuzik. It sounds very powerful in English.

            Most of all, I fell in love with the USSR anthem performed by the Red Army choir before the NHL-USSR hockey match in 1987. It was power. The whole Canadian audience standing ovation!
        2. PalBor 30 December 2019 17: 37 New
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          Here is the main thing - the last phrase that you wrote - confidence in the future. Plus pride for your country and for being Soviet. This is not stupid pathos, it was somehow inside. And when the podlithologists are now telling us that we and our parents sold the Union for sausage and jeans - this is a lie! Of course, no one is against an extra pot of sausage or a Japanese tape recorder, but the "elites" were sold by the Gorbachev party, people who were supposedly greedy voted to save the country ... Fu, I got nervous, I’ll go and take 300 drops of essential valerian, I’ll forget about sleep .... ....
          1. Robertocalos 31 December 2019 23: 37 New
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            And to whom is pride? Front of the TV?
        3. D-ug 1 January 2020 12: 16 New
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          Quote: GKS 2111
          Nostalgia for a happy and calm life, for free kindergartens, for the best education in the world, free medicine, confidence in the future ..

          Nightmare. I just have no words to comment on such feverish nonsense.
          No, after all, every 15-20 years it is necessary to return the order of the USSR for a couple of years. So that during this time the marginals recall the old and howl, who in their kitchens, eating gray pasta with "Soviet tea", and who in the camps, slurping baland. It would be a kind of vaccination for them.
          1. Yury Siritsky 1 January 2020 13: 38 New
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            And you do not need to comment, because in addition to the nonsense above, you are not capable of anything.
            1. D-ug 1 January 2020 13: 42 New
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              Quote: Yuri Siritsky
              And you

              Another marginal tightened.
              1. Yury Siritsky 1 January 2020 13: 48 New
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                You yourself are a marginal. What do you know about that time, I’m sure from liberal fakes.
                1. D-ug 1 January 2020 13: 55 New
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                  Quote: Yuri Siritsky
                  What do you know

                  I say marginal. Not trained in communication culture.
                  Quote: Yuri Siritsky
                  about that time

                  Bigger than you. In 1991, I was already more than a mature person.
                  Quote: Yuri Siritsky
                  sure of liberal fakes.

                  Who else would write about fakes. Soviet and their "thieves stories for the USSR", this is a total fake.
                  A little higher, I wrote that it would be nice for a couple of years, once every 15-20 years, to return the order of the USSR. To dunk Soviet periodically into that reality.
                  And then they got drunk.
                  Fatted.
                  Mouths opened. Their voice, you know, erupted.
                  Under the USSR, they behaved somewhat more modestly. Mainly kept quiet, standing for hours in lines of blue Soviet hens. And everyone else, including toilet paper.
      2. rocket757 30 December 2019 15: 05 New
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        Nothing is finished yet, because it never ends.
        We will learn from mistakes, and regret is the lot of others, not us.
        1. tihonmarine 30 December 2019 15: 47 New
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          Quote: rocket757

          Nothing is finished yet, because it never ends.

          Personally, I also have such an opinion. Everything is moving forward.
          1. cniza 30 December 2019 16: 55 New
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            One must always hope and learn from the past ...
          2. Barmaleyka 30 December 2019 20: 10 New
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            Quote: tihonmarine
            Everything is moving forward.

            still to know what lies ahead, otherwise you may need to run back
            1. tihonmarine 30 December 2019 21: 15 New
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              Quote: Barmaleyka
              still to know what lies ahead, otherwise you may need to run back

              Let me remind you the song "Our porovoz ahead fly in the commune stop, there is no other on the way in our hands (I will not say anything again the moderator will make a remark).
      3. sergo1914 30 December 2019 16: 19 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        supposedly there was nothing but galoshes.


        Sad date.
        But now ... we are struggling with population incomes ... an unprecedented increase in salaries ...
        And it’s true. “The fortune of Russian billionaires in 2019 increased by $ 52,9 billion. This is a record figure for the last four years, reports the publication of RBC, owned by Grigory Berezkin, referring to Bloomberg calculations. " The daughters here ... were attached.
        1. volodimer 30 December 2019 17: 13 New
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          Sad date.
          No, Sergey, the sad date is the day of the collapse of the Union.
          And the day of the creation of the Great State of the USSR will always be a bright day, albeit with a sense of sadness, about its loss.
        2. tihonmarine 30 December 2019 21: 22 New
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          Quote: sergo1914
          “The fortune of Russian billionaires in 2019 increased by $ 52,9 billion.

          I will say the old saying for us ordinary people: "Life has become better, life has become more fun, the neck has become thinner, but longer."
      4. Robertocalos 30 December 2019 16: 37 New
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        What is demagoguery? In the “dashing 90s”, 3 years after leaving school I bought a car, at 28 years old - my first apartment. Children are already almost adults, they speak languages, they have the opportunity to communicate with the whole world, they have already visited foreign countries more than once. What about my grandparents, mom? Workers of the rear (the young were still for the war), worked hard all their lives. They lived in a communal apartment, occupied 2 rooms together, and they brought me there from the hospital. Grandmother put her life in a separate apartment, received it only before her death. If it weren’t for food rations, it would have grown on pasta and bread cutlets. When my grandmother died (her salary was high), I grew up with my mother by 160 rubles of engineering salary, I ate meat once a week. Yes, the warriors lived well, a classmate had a dad officer and a car and had a full refrigerator at home. But the engineering and technical intelligentsia is poverty at the level of current Pyaterochka sellers. For all 10 school years I dreamed of making repairs in the apartment, I drew pictures. In addition to the GDR wall-paper and the domestic kitchen set, we did not save anything.
        So, I do not regret a single second.
        The city is an industrial millionaire.
        1. 7,62h54 30 December 2019 17: 02 New
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          You say thank you to the USSR, a state that has well educated its citizens. And your mother gave you life, but did not have an abortion or threw her baby in a forest belt, only because of the constrained living conditions.
          1. Robertocalos 30 December 2019 17: 41 New
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            Can I say thank you for not immediately planting? Thanks to Comrade Stalin for our happy childhood?
            And to my mother, before the age of 30, I bought an apartment in a coniferous forest.
            1. 7,62h54 30 December 2019 17: 45 New
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              In the USSR there was enough of all sorts, and non-remembers were also good.
              1. Robertocalos 30 December 2019 18: 00 New
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                What good are you talking about? Yes, free medicine was treated. But good medicine - at a great pull for money. Education at school then and now - I see no difference with my children. In your youth you are sorry. The USSR was an extremely inefficient state with a warped economy, to the detriment of the wealth of the population that had long deserved it. But Kremlin senility ruled the fate of the world. I only regret that I spoke with my great-grandfather 3 times in my life, and he went through the whole war, could tell a lot.
                1. 7,62h54 30 December 2019 18: 58 New
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                  Great-grandfather on whose side fought, since so badly raised offspring?
                  1. Robertocalos 30 December 2019 19: 01 New
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                    You are so kidding about yours. Mine is on the feat of the people.
                    And so bad - how is it? I am glad that my children are not in poverty, how do I grow up? Have more features?
            2. Campanella 31 December 2019 00: 23 New
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              Yes, you are a Stakhanovite! How many have made happy with their labor feat? Chinese fellow citizens for a good margin?
              1. Robertocalos 31 December 2019 03: 32 New
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                Another writer. Did not try to read.?
                1. Campanella 31 December 2019 13: 19 New
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                  Have you tried not to study? You’re talking nonsense about a grown child.
                  Looking around is not enough mind? All the suckers and idlers and only you are a hard worker? By their arshin, you are trying to measure the world, but only you have it. So leave your "rich work experience" with you.
                  1. Robertocalos 31 December 2019 13: 22 New
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                    You have OCD and dyslexia, see your doctor. You don’t need to talk to me.
                    1. Campanella 31 December 2019 13: 26 New
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                      You do not have communication, but emotional diarrhea. Trying to pass off your life experience as truth. You can’t imagine anything stupider.
          2. AU Ivanov. 30 December 2019 22: 39 New
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            He brought up the USSR very well. So good that many after its collapse went to some hucksters, some to bandits. And for someone, the golden dream was to become a currency prostitute. And someone with a brilliant Soviet education, charged water in front of the TV. And someone is still waiting for the appearance of a good uncle, who will change the diaper and wipe the snot.
            1. Robertocalos 30 December 2019 23: 07 New
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              You forgot to say how the party members / Komsomol members (especially the nomenclature) sharply became democrats and quickly acquired property. State, for a penny. Khodorkovsky - the district committee of the Komsomol, Kiriyenko - the city committee. And then - into effective managers / billionaires. Such examples are darkness. And who, if not them, should defend the Union. So, grievers, your bosses threw you, your USSR. Cruel and forever. That is all I have to say our anniversary. This is a cry for a thief who has cleaned you up to the skin.
        2. lopvlad 30 December 2019 17: 05 New
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          Quote: Robertocalos
          I bought a car in the “dashing 90s” 3 years after graduation


          Sorry, but in the 90s only those who robbed or robbed others bought cars after school. That is, either a speculator or a gopnik. They didn’t pay patches to ordinary workers for six months, but salaries were delayed for 4 months of retirement.
          You will tell tales about the blessed 90s to those who have not seen them.
          1. Robertocalos 30 December 2019 17: 47 New
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            I was a student and worked 7 days a week, because I was fed up with soviet poverty. I slept for 4 hours. So do not tell me fairy tales about gopnik and speculators. From the age of 18, I earned more than 3 times more than my mother, because I had enough computers to master while I was at school, and English was spoken, easy non-Russified software was given, it was a rare specialist in the city. Therefore, he earned 500 dollars a month a year after school. At 21 - he rented an apartment and began to live separately. At 23, 40 adults were subordinate from my age to a fifty dollars.
            1. Astronaut 30 December 2019 18: 41 New
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              What dollars in the USSR, you lived in some other country!
              1. Robertocalos 30 December 2019 19: 04 New
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                Can't read? It's about the 90s. Am I supposed to remember the ruble exchange rate? Or are you not aware that until about 2005, cars and real estate in the Russian Federation were valued in dollars?
                1. Astronaut 30 December 2019 20: 00 New
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                  Have a better snack))
                  1. Robertocalos 30 December 2019 22: 15 New
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                    I look at you a sore subject. Alco is not very useful at the age, neatly) I’m 45 now, I graduated a few years ago, gives nothing new, and takes health.
                2. Vitaly gusin 30 December 2019 22: 22 New
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                  Quote: Robertocalos
                  Am I supposed to remember the ruble exchange rate?

                  I recall in the 90th 6 rubles per dollar.
                  1. Robertocalos 30 December 2019 22: 27 New
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                    I was still in school. Not up to the dollars. After consuming a workout, they would eat meat. Coupons, exactly, for everything were already and tobacco riots took place with us exactly that summer. In lines, men fought for a smoke without a trace.
                  2. Karen 30 December 2019 22: 53 New
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                    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                    Quote: Robertocalos
                    Am I supposed to remember the ruble exchange rate?

                    I recall in the 90th 6 rubles per dollar.

                    This is probably some kind of state course for tourists ... And so - already in the summer of the 90th there was a course for 20 wooden ...
                    1. Vitaly gusin 30 December 2019 23: 26 New
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                      Quote: Karen
                      probably some kind of state course

                      Yes, official, but not official until 10, but years.
                      1. Karen 30 December 2019 23: 30 New
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                        I do not think that in the 90th it was allowed to plant for currency ...
                      2. Vitaly gusin 30 December 2019 23: 41 New
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                        Quote: Karen
                        I do not think that in the 90th it was allowed to plant for currency.

                        In the 90th still YES. The state at that time had almost none and this was considered an economic diversion.
          2. Campanella 31 December 2019 00: 27 New
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            On fishlessness and cancer, fish, on birdlessness and opa nightingale!
          3. Campanella 31 December 2019 13: 22 New
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            They were just a student! I don’t understand. Did you work? If they worked, then the student was enrolled. And if you were a student, then they hacked, but did not work. It is difficult to combine normal studies with work if you are not working in the department.
            1. Robertocalos 31 December 2019 15: 33 New
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              Yes, you don’t understand a lot of things in this life, there’s nothing unique about it. Yes, and the labels, apparently, still learned how to hang in the union.
            2. Pedrodepackes 31 December 2019 18: 43 New
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              Quote: Campanella
              I don’t understand. Did you work? If they worked, then the student was enrolled. And if you were a student, then they hacked, but did not work. It is difficult to combine normal studies with work if you are not working in the department.

              and in the scoop, many students worked part-time ("Shurik" is the same), construction teams, which they left for six months, so they did not study normally in the USSR, following your logic, although I agree with you.
              1. Campanella 1 January 2020 04: 53 New
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                Work in construction teams was linked to the curriculum at the university. And in the 90s it was just a fiction, and not study, and now the norm is to work full-time students, and some of them are constantly managing to ..
                1. Robertocalos 1 January 2020 11: 05 New
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                  24 hours a day. 4 pairs, 2-3 for self-training, 6 for work. As much as 8 hours left. There was also time for the girls. And the equipment instead of 10, 16 hours a day worked and dipped faster.
          4. tsvetkov1274 1 January 2020 04: 52 New
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            I learned languages ​​from tutors ?? ..
            And I also learned software over the hill ...
            500 bucks is the usual ZP hard worker on the VAZ e in the 90s.
            So, by the way ..
            1. Robertocalos 1 January 2020 11: 10 New
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              English was well taught at school, the teacher in England lived for 2 years, lucky. The software itself, naturally by the manual and by the poke method. 500 for a couple of years in 1000 grew, then more, and then 98)) were considered bucks, and the yield is ruble. So it was painful, but quickly adapted. Those who did not sit in foreign currency loans already exhaled a year later.
        3. sergo1914 30 December 2019 18: 01 New
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          Quote: lopvlad
          Quote: Robertocalos
          I bought a car in the “dashing 90s” 3 years after graduation


          Sorry, but in the 90s only those who robbed or robbed others bought cars after school. That is, either a speculator or a gopnik. They didn’t pay patches to ordinary workers for six months, but salaries were delayed for 4 months of retirement.
          You will tell tales about the blessed 90s to those who have not seen them.



          Erroneous opinion. People with a head and hands normally earned. But all kinds of crybaby ... like now. I bought two apartments. He did not rob and rob anyone. It was only necessary to throw off all the scum from the tail. Sons, as a rule, such whines and cries. Who thought the bat was an argument when talking to a man with glasses. And then “we are for what”, “forgive uncle, we didn’t mean that” ...
          Good time. But the 70s is better.
          1. not main 31 December 2019 01: 11 New
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            Quote: sergo1914
            Quote: lopvlad
            Quote: Robertocalos
            I bought a car in the “dashing 90s” 3 years after graduation


            Sorry, but in the 90s only those who robbed or robbed others bought cars after school. That is, either a speculator or a gopnik. They didn’t pay patches to ordinary workers for six months, but salaries were delayed for 4 months of retirement.
            You will tell tales about the blessed 90s to those who have not seen them.



            Erroneous opinion. People with a head and hands normally earned. But all kinds of crybaby ... like now. I bought two apartments. He did not rob and rob anyone. It was only necessary to throw off all the scum from the tail. Sons, as a rule, such whines and cries. Who thought the bat was an argument when talking to a man with glasses. And then “we are for what”, “forgive uncle, we didn’t mean that” ...
            Good time. But the 70s is better.

            You say that you didn’t rob anyone, but this is an erroneous opinion! Remember how you paid workers salaries? (just cash without clearance!) And is this not a robbery? How many people are now applying for a pension and they do not have enough experience! And the thing is that you and people like you exploited the people using the economic situation! And exclamations like "I built it myself", "I created it", "I am the smartest", do not pass! Of course there are exceptions, but I'm talking about banal trading, etc. He looked enough to understand the capital of Karl Marx! And the 70s it already seems like a fairy tale! When people helped each other for thanks! And now? Pulling a car out of snow captivity, they offer me money! But for what? It's just that everything is interconnected today I helped, tomorrow they will help me! And so they lived!
        4. AU Ivanov. 30 December 2019 18: 46 New
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          Yes, quit. There were a lot of ways to earn money in the 90s, and without crime. Clothes from the West, cars, auto parts, household and computer equipment from there, demand exceeded supply. And no competition in the form of large trading companies. Now it is much more difficult to occupy your market niche.
          1. Robertocalos 30 December 2019 19: 21 New
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            Here those who are accustomed to the tears pour that the state owes them their lives. It would not even occur to them that the USSR simply threw them, and in full. Gorbach - collapsed, Yeltsin - other drunk Kravchuk. Ale, the garage! The USSR was rotting from the 60s to the fullest, the elite lived under communism, worked inefficiently and ate the country, distributing grandmothers and weapons to monkeys around the planet, at a time when their own people did not at all fatten! How much does a nuclear submarine cost? As a city for 20 thousand families. How many MiG-31? Like a school. Further you can continue for a long time about Buran for a trillion (we can!) About pre-aircraft carriers and ekranoplanes. Yes, this money could become a world center of microelectronics, set up housing for millions of families, and not panel anthills, but private cottages. To make an excellent light and food industry, to establish agriculture. Launch lending, enter home ownership. Fuck then the country would fall apart.
            Once again - the elite squandered and finished the country, collected cream on the collapse and threw the population.
            And what, someone for this at least put ???
            And here you pour tears. 97 years old! Yes, it’s a pity that not 10 years earlier!
            1. AU Ivanov. 30 December 2019 19: 29 New
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              I’ll tell you a secret: in order to save the USSR, it was enough just to legalize the “guilds”, to give them the opportunity to legally acquire raw materials, to allow private trade, and to cover all the power of law enforcement agencies from crime. Well, of course, tax them. And that’s all. There is no shortage either in food or in manufactured goods. Alas, narrow-minded
              communist dogma ...
              1. Robertocalos 30 December 2019 19: 35 New
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                Chinese way.
                1. AU Ivanov. 30 December 2019 19: 40 New
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                  Not the worst way - Chinese. Suffice it to recall that the giant Huawei, has grown from a small private firm.
                  1. Robertocalos 30 December 2019 19: 44 New
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                    The USSR would have passed it faster. Brezhnev had to be replaced in the early 70s and urgently needed to carry out reforms. Only there was nobody to do it. And Chernyaev’s memoirs say how decisions were made. The hair on my head is moving.
                2. Astronaut 30 December 2019 20: 05 New
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                  I say, have a snack. It was under the NEP, then Broz Tito mastered it, and if it weren’t for Khrushchev, we would have. And in the 90s, most of the heavy industry was destroyed and buy-sell developed, for which you bought your apartment, and only you))
                  1. Robertocalos 30 December 2019 22: 02 New
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                    I bought an apartment in a new building in 2003. And buy and sell, I didn’t do any work. Khrushchev gave you freedom so that you would not be sent to a camp for a spikelet and a loaf of bread. He relocated millions from the barracks to the Khrushchev, and introduced a five-day period. Under him, the country was still moving, after 70, it sailed towards the waterfall.
                    1. Barmaleyka 30 December 2019 22: 39 New
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                      Quote: Robertocalos
                      Khrushchev gave you freedom so that you would not be sent to a camp for a spikelet and a loaf of bread

                      if you don’t know, then it’s Khrushchev who banned the cooperatives taxed the gardens, banned the homestead, and by the way it was he who had a hand in the destruction of CX
                      Quote: Robertocalos
                      so that you would not be sent to the camp for a spikelet and a loaf of bread

                      and they sent a lot, well, only really those for a spikelet and a loaf ?!
                      Quote: Robertocalos
                      Millions of barracks in the "Khrushchev" relocated

                      well, for the sake of truth, the question of affordable housing was raised before the bald clown
                    2. Tuzik 30 December 2019 23: 52 New
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                      "but they sent a lot, well, only really those for a spikelet and a loaf ?!"

                      An acquaintance told me that his grandfather had been raked, but that he used a newspaper with a portrait of Stalin in the toilet. The neighbor has laid. In the 30s.
              2. Campanella 31 December 2019 00: 30 New
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                Young man, do you even imagine what the Chinese way is? Shake your tongue here for nothing. Are there any knowledge besides a mastered computer?
                1. Robertocalos 31 December 2019 03: 36 New
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                  You have a carriage of knowledge, full of pants, and cry for the scoop that threw you.
                  1. Campanella 31 December 2019 13: 40 New
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                    Not weeping, but an objective assessment. The Soviet system is certainly an innovative idea, it cannot abandon the system, but concrete people are completely and in any style.
                  2. Robertocalos 31 December 2019 15: 30 New
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                    An objective assessment from the subject? What is it like?)
                    Specific people - the ruling caste - the system is. Learn the materiel.
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            you narrow-minded
            communist dogma ...

            you’ll be surprised, but under Stalin it was all a cooperative, even automatic weapons were fired, so that it’s not communist dogma
            1. AU Ivanov. 30 December 2019 21: 05 New
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              So then under Stalin. Under Stalin, my grandmother's sister was a private tailor, well-known in Leningrad. I paid for the patent and worked quietly. Own "Victory" was. Under Khrushchev, she was nearly imprisoned for "unearned" income. Which, to the demon, are unearned - she cut and sewed with her own hands.
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            In the USSR, a lot of things could be done reasonably, consistently and smoothly, it had to start somewhere in the mid-60s, after the completion of the Post-war reconstruction, but somehow it was decided to make canned food for the Western market from the country, which were safely opened in the 90s and capitalized over 10 years, mostly
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          giving grandmas and weapons to monkeys around the planet

          Now we don’t give out, but we live worse
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            How is it not distributed? Take a look at gun contracts. Okay, Indonesia pays palm oil, and most of them pay on credit at 1-2% (you will not be offered such rates), and then, you see, they will write off your debts.
            And we live worse than 12 years, for well-known reasons. From 99 to 09 there were golden times, we will not see this again.
            1. Barmaleyka 30 December 2019 22: 29 New
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              How is it not distributed?

              silently, what you write about is a penny from what the USSR invested, another question is that the "elites" pump money out of the country so much that you can keep all of Asia and Africa again
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                What is the difference between us and you, monkeys fed or Rotenbergs? Although the second is still better. - there are no pockets in the coffin, so this money will come back sooner or later. And there will be no problems with the buildings of boarding houses - thousands of palaces are built.
                1. Barmaleyka 30 December 2019 22: 53 New
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                  What is the difference between us and you, monkeys fed or Rotenbergs?

                  big, monkeys were cheaper
                2. Robertocalos 30 December 2019 22: 56 New
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                  But the new nobles can be taken away. And they will take it away, I have no doubt. Now it’s very difficult to hide billions, and everyone will drink / eat it / go for a walk
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                  . And they will take it away, I have no doubt.

                  with a lot of blood
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                  When the power changes, and this is inevitable, the first thing they’ll do is fumble for bins. And there is pretty stocked up. Since tons of colonels are found by tons, how many generals have. Not to mention Putin’s official oligarchs. I think the country's ten-year budget lies in such a "stabilization fund".
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                  When the power changes, and this is inevitable, the first thing they’ll do is fumble for bins. And there is pretty stocked up. Since tons of colonels are found by tons, how many generals have. Not to mention Putin’s official oligarchs. I think the country's ten-year budget lies in such a "stabilization fund".

                  When this happens, the reserved den.znach only and it will be possible to glue the toilet. Is always. That in the 17th, that in the 18th, that in the 91st.
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                  Dollars, euros, stocks will not go anywhere, like jewelry and real estate.
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                  Quote: Robertocalos
                  Dollars, euros, stocks will not go anywhere, like jewelry and real estate.

                  Where your wealth is, your heart is.
  • sergo1914 30 December 2019 17: 46 New
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    Quote: Robertocalos
    What is demagoguery? In the “dashing 90s”, 3 years after leaving school I bought a car, at 28 years old - my first apartment. Children are already almost adults, they speak languages, they have the opportunity to communicate with the whole world, they have already visited foreign countries more than once. What about my grandparents, mom? Workers of the rear (the young were still for the war), worked hard all their lives. They lived in a communal apartment, occupied 2 rooms together, and they brought me there from the hospital. Grandmother put her life in a separate apartment, received it only before her death. If it weren’t for food rations, it would have grown on pasta and bread cutlets. When my grandmother died (her salary was high), I grew up with my mother by 160 rubles of engineering salary, I ate meat once a week. Yes, the warriors lived well, a classmate had a dad officer and a car and had a full refrigerator at home. But the engineering and technical intelligentsia is poverty at the level of current Pyaterochka sellers. For all 10 school years I dreamed of making repairs in the apartment, I drew pictures. In addition to the GDR wall-paper and the domestic kitchen set, we did not save anything.
    So, I do not regret a single second.
    The city is an industrial millionaire.


    I also did pretty well in the 90s. 300 green shark soup in Beijing. But it was necessary to order in 3-5 days. This is now Kazakh sous-chefs for 15 will cook ...
    But I regret the 70s. If there was an opportunity to return, I would return it. For the sake of the children.
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      70s I do not remember, I remember the Olympics 80. The first distinct. Even the Moscow zhresh reached us. Cottage cheese in a vacuum, milk and kefir in tetrapacks, salami, chewing gum and potato chips. That was a holiday!
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        70s I do not remember, I remember the Olympics 80. The first distinct. Even the Moscow zhresh reached us. Cottage cheese in a vacuum, milk and kefir in tetrapacks, salami, chewing gum and potato chips. That was a holiday!

        Zhrachka = holiday.
        Sapienti sat. (reasonable enough)
        1. Robertocalos 1 January 2020 10: 53 New
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          Take a look at Maslow’s pyramid, Sapiens)
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            This pyramid was overturned more than once before the birth of great-great-grandfather Maslow. Diogenes - do you know this?
  • Barmaleyka 30 December 2019 20: 31 New
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    Quote: Robertocalos
    I bought a car in the “dashing 90s” 3 years after graduation

    can I clarify what money?
    Quote: Robertocalos
    I grew up with my mother by 160 rubles of engineering salary, I ate meat once a week.

    sorry, but ...
    why once a week?
    1. Robertocalos 30 December 2019 22: 08 New
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      For the money earned. Hard mental work in his spare time from study.
      Because in stores, apart from bones, nothing was sold, and in the market, meat was very expensive. So fried potatoes and sauerkraut. Sometimes at work they gave out something, such as chicken or cooked sausage.
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        Quote: Robertocalos
        For the money earned. Hard mental work in his spare time from study.

        and more specifically, that they invented, developed, wrote ?!
        Quote: Robertocalos
        Because in stores, apart from bones, nothing was sold, and in the market, meat was very expensive.

        let's just agree right away that many lived here in the era of the USSR; therefore, we can do without lies about the unbearable cost of meat in the market and its complete absence in stores
        Quote: Robertocalos
        So fried potatoes and sauerkraut.

        read above
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        Sometimes at work they gave out something, such as chicken or cooked sausage.

        the back does not hurt ?!
        1. Robertocalos 30 December 2019 22: 43 New
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          1. He moved the mouse and strained the brain to draw beautiful pictures and write texts for them. This is now well paid, and in 92-95 very few people knew how to do it professionally. So I earned a lot more professors from the university. Only then, the graphics comp was worth as odnushka, and the periphery is still the same.
          +-
          2 p / 160 = 30 rubles per day for two. Directions, food, clothing, section, maintenance of the apartment, entertainment. Dofiga, huh? Just 5,33 rubles a kilo of meat was enough for 5-4 per month.
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          3. Cooked sausage of 2,2 and chicken (I don’t remember how much) were given to the mother at work 2 times a month.
          What else should I not get sick ??
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          And what lies do you blame me for? I have my own opinion about the scoop, I lived right up to 16 in it, and my memory is excellent.
          1. Barmaleyka 30 December 2019 22: 52 New
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            Quote: Robertocalos
            section

            what ?!
            Quote: Robertocalos
            Directions

            10 kopecks for mother per day and 1.5 for you per month
            Quote: Robertocalos
            entertainment

            WHAT, how do you say starving, but the entertainment was needed ?!
            Quote: Robertocalos
            and in 92-95, very few people knew how to do it professionally

            and forgive me, but just take a break if you were from a hole where you didn’t see meat and then you didn’t have printing at 93
            1. Robertocalos 30 December 2019 23: 18 New
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              Sports, karate, private. 3 rub / month
              10 kopecks minibus. Mother went to the suburbs.
              Beggar what, do not go to the cinema? What jeans do not need a kid at age 13, sneakers, decent clothes?
              Polygraphy was also at 90 m. I then saw a laser printer for the first time.
              And from the age of 11 he sat at the computer, there was an opportunity. I did not work on my equipment, of course.
              And yes, to call the largest center of the defense industry a hole, you famously lowered 1,5 million people.
              So let's finish for the sim. I’m not confessing to the troll, who believes that at 160 it was possible to bang together. You should try the top ten per month now. At 13-15 years old, I would have looked at everything.
              1. Barmaleyka 30 December 2019 23: 32 New
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                Quote: Robertocalos
                Sports, karate, private. 3 rub / month

                could do free sambo
                Quote: Robertocalos
                That a kid 13 years old doesn't need jeans

                somehow survived without them
                Quote: Robertocalos
                Polygraphy was also at 90 m. I then saw a laser printer for the first time.

                printing FULL COLOR and a laser printer are a few different things
                Quote: Robertocalos
                And from the age of 11 he sat at the computer, there was an opportunity.

                oh lying publishing systems and Spectrum is from different universes
                Quote: Robertocalos
                And yes, call the largest defense center the hole

                then do not whistle about the lack of meat
                1. Robertocalos 30 December 2019 23: 54 New
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                  Could and walked from 8 years. And then I wanted more. And it went very well.
                  Full color of 4 colors is, if not in the know. Black and white films are output. I started working with publishing programs from the age of 17 on PC. Before that, there were all sorts of BC and Yamaha.
                  Let's finish. There was no meat in the shops. Milk rescued. Although good cottage cheese is also only on the market. There was fish, chicken and toilet paper sausage. The rest is in the market and in the consumer cooperation store. There are just sausages, sausages and more. The argument is tired. I'm not going to prove, the memory is good.
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                  Quote: Robertocalos
                  Full color of 4 colors is, if not in the know.

                  I actually worked in the printing house for 15 years, and now I earn it
                  Quote: Robertocalos
                  I am. I started working with publishing programs from the age of 17 on PC

                  not tired of lying ?!
                  really the first full-fledged publishing systems of the beginning of the 90s ON MAKS, on a PC a little later, and when the Union was 17 years old you didn’t know about it
                  Quote: Robertocalos
                  Let's finish. There was no meat in the shops.

                  and indeed what a lie to listen to
                  Quote: Robertocalos
                  and toilet paper sausage.

                  that’s what I’m writing nonsense about
                  Quote: Robertocalos
                  in the consumer goods store. There are just sausages, sausages and more.

                  the sausages were not for sale in the consumer cooperation. Apparently, you basically don’t know what it is
                3. Robertocalos 31 December 2019 11: 43 New
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                  I look, knowledge of publishing programs you have a car.
                  I heard about HVP and PM? About CD, PS, AFH. All this worked fine on the PC. And you decipher, well, specialist, what kind of software I brought.
                  And what did you deduce the films from in your printing house? Device model do not tell me?
                  COOP was written on a butcher shop in central street. The sausages there were heaps. Rubles from 4,5 per kg.
      2. at84432384 31 December 2019 00: 27 New
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        Lies about meat just tired! The production of animal meat per capita in the modern Russian Federation is still very far from the RSFSR even in 1991. The distribution system was completely different - the priority was the food service, where meat and fish were always and at very reasonable prices. In canteens at enterprises, prices were generally cheap. And the products were natural and not ersatz with palm oil and "meat" not stuffed with antibiotics.
        1. Robertocalos 31 December 2019 00: 41 New
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          Yes Yes. Cutlets of 11 kopecks were very meaty. And dumplings from cardboard boxes. The soul of the population did not bother me much. Like your statistics. And what was in the shops on the shelves I remember perfectly. In the canteen, it was worth about 1 ruble and no one there offered entrecotes with escalopes. The same bread cutlets and meatballs. Natural meat was only in soup, in scanty amounts.
          As for coupons since 89, they have been tagging, and in some cities before, I also remember very well.
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            Dumplings "in the boxes" had nothing to do with catering. From 1975 to 1981 I was a student in Moscow and lived in a hostel. During my student years I visited half of the Soviet republics and I know quite well what happened in the country. Offered in the canteens and entrecote and escalopes. The price was somewhat different, from 30 kopecks. in the worker (the union paid extra), up to 60 in the usual city. On state farms and collective farms, prices were completely ridiculous. You, apparently, were an adult to the era of the collapse of the USSR, when the Soviet bureaucracy was knocking out the country and you perceive that brothel as a constant state of the country, but this is only an episode of the end of Gorbachev’s reign. Lunch in the dining room for 70 kopecks. considered expensive. But the price of cooking at the end of the 70s, beginning of the 80s: beef steak-13 kopecks., Lula-kebab-18 kopecks, entrecote-30 kopecks. It’s not very like hunger.
            1. Robertocalos 31 December 2019 03: 08 New
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              I did not live in Moscow. We didn’t have close abundance in 84. I remember university colleges, food coupons were given there from the School for Children at 1 p. I can’t say that I ate at age 12 for such a dinner.
            2. Barmaleyka 31 December 2019 09: 07 New
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              I did not live in Moscow.

              where exactly?
            3. Robertocalos 31 December 2019 11: 54 New
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              What else to feed the troll? name, address?
              You’ll deal with publishing programs there for a start, google an hour, check who is a starball player.
            4. Barmaleyka 31 December 2019 12: 31 New
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              from 95 to 2009, my native, I worked in a printing house and inspired one of them and created it myself
            5. Robertocalos 31 December 2019 12: 45 New
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              Well, go ahead! Show competencies
        2. Campanella 31 December 2019 13: 53 New
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          Robertocarlos is a secret physicist who lives on grants in a provincial town - ordinary yap and troll.
        3. Robertocalos 31 December 2019 14: 54 New
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          Below I wrote your assessment, with the upcoming)
  • Mordvin 3 31 December 2019 02: 32 New
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    Quote: Robertocalos
    K. The soul of the population did not bother me much. Like your statistics. And what was in the shops on the shelves I remember perfectly. In the canteen, it was worth about 1 ruble and no one there offered entrecotes with escalopes. The same bread cutlets and meatballs. Natural meat was only in soup, in scanty amounts.

    You rotten rotten, that's all. And do not compare 160 rubles with 10 thousand, those 160 weighed much more.
    About the canteen. So in 1982, at our school, it was closed for repairs. We went to the factory. The meat was full. 1989. - I am a student. For the first - soup, or borscht with bacon and meat, for the second - porridge with meat, potatoes with bacon and meat ... So don’t star, Gomius Consumekius. And not 1 ruble in the dining room cost lunch, for 1 ruble you would somehow crawl out from the table, with the words: "I’ve gotten fed up .."
    1. Robertocalos 31 December 2019 03: 16 New
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      Poke, hamlo, you will be drinking companions, when the scoop that threw you, once again remember sit down. I share what I experienced myself, without any fantasies. And hang labels on yourself, looking in the mirror, what a good country you have pissed off. I remember the millionth rally against the union in Moscow time, but not for it. Why don’t you go to the barricades? Then the power was affectionate, no Rosgvardeytsev who young women iron the doors.
    2. Mordvin 3 31 December 2019 05: 08 New
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      Then the power was affectionate

      That's it, but it was necessary to crush people like you, like stinky bugs that just sat, and the wallpaper from the GDR was compared with refrigerators.
    3. Robertocalos 31 December 2019 11: 56 New
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      Wow, as a lichen penetrated. In truth, it means hit. What, in the kitchen under the bubble fought with the whole world?
    4. Mordvin 3 31 December 2019 12: 03 New
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      Wow, as a lichen penetrated.

      It’s just disgusting to communicate with people like you, and the moderator has already expressed a personal complaint about my vocabulary. Do not choke on a pineapple, remembering a poor childhood.
    5. Robertocalos 31 December 2019 12: 18 New
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      I will not choke, because not a whiner, but a hard worker. But you are disgusted because you feel sorry for yourself. The peasant is so pissed off. Twist the legs to death - rely only on yourself. And here you are nostalgia for canteen penetrated. I didn’t embellish or denigrate in my single post. As it is. Of the good things in the USSR, I remember only my childhood. I would live richer, maybe the memories were more fun.
    6. Mordvin 3 31 December 2019 12: 46 New
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      because not a whiner, but a hard worker.

      You are just a moral idiot who envied those who lived a little better than you. Boasting of the fact that you got much more in the 90s than the rest, you prefer not to notice all the squalor of that time, and today too. That's all. By the way, in the 90s I also received quite a lot, several times more than my mother or sister, but I didn’t and didn’t think about the USSR because I was much fairer than the Russian Federation. Adieu. I won’t answer anymore.
    7. Robertocalos 31 December 2019 12: 56 New
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      Now I will cry) I never received, I earned. Here it is - the mental difference.
  • Campanella 31 December 2019 14: 04 New
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    Judging by the fact that you were here carrying it, you are a loser! Hungry, cold, not caressed, no meat was reported to you ... I feel sorry for you, suffered so much, but now you can see everything is chocolate. We rejoiced for you. Self Made people! Why in Russia? Such talented hard workers as you in the West tear off with their hands? Are you talking to the disfranchised and ignorant here?
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    Another "we". Show the mandate to "we." While I am dissatisfied with life and a reflecting loser I see, and even badly brought up. He could leave, almost half a group with his hands torn off. But it was interesting here, life was seething, it was far from the current stagnation.
  • Barmaleyka 31 December 2019 09: 06 New
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    As for coupons since 89, they have been tagging, and in some cities before, I also remember very well.

    how old were you then ?!
    1. Robertocalos 31 December 2019 11: 59 New
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      More than 10. I went shopping, I stood in lines, mothers had no time.
    2. Barmaleyka 31 December 2019 12: 30 New
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      that is, bresh, more than 10 is 11 12?
      Apparently you are the ordinary daughter of an officer
    3. Robertocalos 31 December 2019 12: 48 New
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      Even from this thread, you can establish my year of birth, more carefully.
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      Yes, with your birth, a lot of problems, you are confused in the testimony, then you use publishing systems with an alliance, then you are still a little girl at that time
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      I see, you are ordinary beetroot) what is there with publishing systems, a typographer? Or the daughter of an officer?
      More than 10 and 20, if it is difficult with mathematics)
      Could you, anonymus / zvezdobol give evidence to me ???
    6. Barmaleyka 31 December 2019 15: 31 New
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      him there with publishing systems, a typographer?

      firstly, you are not a professor, but I am not your student so you would examine me
      secondly, if you were at least a little bit more intelligent, you would understand that even a person far from printing would be able to parse your “scribbles” through no
      Quote: Robertocalos
      More than 10 and 20, if it is difficult with mathematics)

      crap again, if you were 20 at that time, then at 17 you couldn’t work with publishing systems on a PC and beg for money for karate
    7. Robertocalos 31 December 2019 15: 45 New
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      First of all, you don’t know the nifig in the press. Even the loader in the printing house understands the technique a little, at least out of curiosity. Q.E.D)
      Secondly, I wrote my age clearly in one of the posts, but don’t read the whole thread, you’ll have fun trolling. Yes, here the weight categories vary, I have been using the Internet since it appeared in the Russian Federation. You are funny.
      Thirdly, where did you get that you can ask me categorical questions, but there will be no return? Qui about the quo. So what's up with your printing house, specialist? What equipment did the software and hardware sign work for? Or now you can call you Zvezdun Barmaleyka?)
    8. Barmaleyka 31 December 2019 16: 24 New
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      Even the loader in the printing house understands the technique a little

      and how did you define this ?!
      based on the fact that I did not tell you that I know how the aldus PM differs from adobe, or from the fact that I did not write the difference between PS and PCL? !!
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      What technique did you work on

      you are either stupid or stubborn, which will change if I write an agfa model, because with the same success I can take this info from neta

      your return is stupid and not thought out as well as sky-high meat prices in the market
    9. Robertocalos 31 December 2019 17: 22 New
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      And how is Aldus different from Adobe? And what about the crap about the 90th year in which all the programs I have listed are already actively used on the PC?
      We went to different bazaars. On ours, everything was as I say. More or less decent zhrachke at state prices received only rations at the place of work or significantly more expensive in the market. In the shops, except milk (excluding cottage cheese), frozen fish (not pink salmon, of course), soup sets and cyanotic chicken (not every day) and bread, there was no tasty food. And I remember the smell of rot mixed with earth from the vegetable store for life.
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    I am St. Petersburg. They lived poorly. Engineer father, mother estimator. The main food of Tyur, crumbled bread with milk in a plate, soup from Snetkov, but they did not grumble for food, everyone was happy. At 68 they moved to Kazakhstan, there was a premium of 60 percent and good supply.
  • at84432384 31 December 2019 00: 09 New
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    No need to tryndet for scientific and technical intelligentsia. At least we did not live in poverty, the country needed it and saw it. Now only thieves-managers in high esteem. From there, and all the Russian “achievements”: the destruction of science, industry, education, medicine and the seventh consecutive year, the decline in incomes (“record” for the entire existence of the country).
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      I gave an example of my family of "non-disobedience" uses the word "tryndet" among like-minded people. And the word "we" stay to use, you are not authorized, speak for yourself.
      1. at84432384 31 December 2019 02: 32 New
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        You could express your “fe” in the event that you were related to the Soviet technical intelligentsia and boiled in its midst. This share has passed you, so speak on behalf of those who considered it possible to earn on self-interest on state property. It was with this morality that people appropriated all the raw material state property and completely destroyed industry. You personally managed to use only state office equipment for your selfish interests (Chubais was not a friend), "earned". And they did not drop into the Criminal Code, how does it qualify? And just try to simulate your situation now: will a boy from a poor family be able to get HE, this time, and, secondly, to use the state resource without punishment for personal purposes. I do not touch the moral side of the issue.
        1. Robertocalos 31 December 2019 03: 28 New
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          About the scientific and intellectual environment I have seen enough for a conscious childhood. And like beer at lunch, the MNFs drank and played table tennis. How they did the work alone, and copyright certificates and degrees and money received uncomplicated. Even the distribution from me was at 13, when my mother worked on new insulating material. So include me in the patent application then.
          I did not use any resources. At the age of 17, he was torn off with his hands into a commercial company with computer skills and art behind him. Pole of five in Russian and a bunch of books read. And then I created my own, which is why I work for my uncle. And not every day was lazy to learn. That’s the whole secret of how to buy a car in the “dashing 20s” at 90, and you don’t need luck, I went to rest for the first time after 4 years of almost daily work. The motivation was already too high was to get out of poverty. And I am happy that the children did not have to go through this.
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            There is such an idiom that truth is born in a dispute. She was born long ago, when there were less than a percent of educated people and they were educated, they were about the same. Now the situation is different. Both education is different and the underlying concepts are different. The Soviet system is built on the 10 Christ commandments, called the "moral code of the builder of communism." There was a time when it seemed that this value system had lost. The collapse of the USSR is an example of this. In 2-3 years, no more, there will be no such question ...
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              In order to educate the people, but to deal with this education. Develop, invest. These are common truths. But the authorities do not need this. It rules the world, it is not up to servants.
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          Leave this socially offended Robert Kalos. He even differences in the targeting of homo-sovieticus and other egoists.
  • Shuttle 1 January 2020 08: 44 New
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    What is demagoguery? In the “dashing 90s”, 3 years after leaving school I bought a car, at 28 years old - my first apartment. Children are already almost adults, they speak languages, they have the opportunity to communicate with the whole world, they have already visited foreign countries more than once. What about my grandparents, mom? Workers of the rear (the young were still for the war), worked hard all their lives. They lived in a communal apartment, occupied 2 rooms together, and they brought me there from the hospital. Grandmother put her life in a separate apartment, received it only before her death. If it weren’t for food rations, it would have grown on pasta and bread cutlets. When my grandmother died (her salary was high), I grew up with my mother by 160 rubles of engineering salary, I ate meat once a week. Yes, the warriors lived well, a classmate had a dad officer and a car and had a full refrigerator at home. But the engineering and technical intelligentsia is poverty at the level of current Pyaterochka sellers. For all 10 school years I dreamed of making repairs in the apartment, I drew pictures. In addition to the GDR wall-paper and the domestic kitchen set, we did not save anything.
    So, I do not regret a single second.
    The city is an industrial millionaire.

    And why are you silent, lucky man, at whose expense your banquet of life stems? Here you are now so smart, maybe hardworking, maybe even human, imagine that you were born in some Red Sulin with a saleswoman from Magnit. Or, in Pereyaslavl Zalessky, at the air conditioner adjuster, who in Moscow 2 sets up them after 2, and the rest of the time he doesn’t teach you languages, but works out the mortgage on covens. And this is not some Saransk, and not Kondapoga!
    And in that country, all children had equal opportunities.
    Think, if you live a calm old age, since the social stratification is only in the first or second generation, then where is the guarantee that your children and grandchildren will not be left overboard? And if on board, they will not be dropped from it by forks?
    In that country, they knew how to cope with this problem. But in this one it seems not so much.
    1. Robertocalos 1 January 2020 11: 16 New
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      So I’m not drowning here for my current situation! I see how the country flies in the ass again. Under patriotic songs, Daggers and other Vanguards. Power is imprisoned for stuffing pockets and the planning horizon is at least 10 years ahead. There are agitation.
      1. 16329 1 January 2020 13: 57 New
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        The country, in general, is waging a war, and if you do not understand this, then this does not mean that it is not,
        This war is a modern combined type in the current global economy.
        In the 90s, the most terrible was the feeling of humiliation, state Russophobia and the process of turning into the scavengers the bulk of the population, which began to grovel in front of the dollar and mark, fall to its knees in front of the last foreigner, etc.
        I did not experience any special material problems either in the 90s or in the zeros, there were some difficulties caused by divorce, etc., but it did not take much time, however, now, being most of the time abroad, I am proud of my Homeland: regularly being at home I see how the country is developing dynamically
        And problems, difficulties, etc., all this is present everywhere and you do not need to inflate them endlessly, which by the way is peculiar to our mentality
        By the way, it was the bloating to chaos of some of our own problems that contributed to the death of the country in the late 80s
        Less reflection and more work.
        1. D-ug 1 January 2020 14: 53 New
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          Quote: 16329
          The country is actually waging war

          Wrong.
          It’s more correct: the country was declared war. But the country pretended not to notice.
          However, the countries that declared war continue to wage it. With leisurely boa constrictor.
        2. Robertocalos 1 January 2020 15: 04 New
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          I will not comment on this. This is a reason for sracha. The war is on, you are right. And let everyone have their own causes and consequences.
        3. Robertocalos 1 January 2020 18: 33 New
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          Yes Yes. I have a friend, a Russian American with 20 years of experience comes with pleasure once a year to check his parents. And she is also amazed at how the plain, gloomy town with its scoop blooms, what low prices are in the taverns (at that rate of the ruble, still) what beautiful girls are around. But this is tourism, not daily life.
      2. Shuttle 1 January 2020 17: 19 New
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        You confuse the state (the punitive organ of the ruling class) with the country.
      3. Campanella 3 January 2020 12: 10 New
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        You started your biography with stuffing, so why cry on the roots? Listen to you, while you “earned” time of great opportunities and human progress? And the Soviet time for people like you is the land ... Although it is obvious that you did not find the Soviet, but persistently defend the cliche sent from behind the hill. Sad low horizons and general education.
  • Reserve officer 30 December 2019 21: 25 New
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    The Soviet Union turned 97 years old. Without any prefixes, “would.” A great state that defeated all external aggression. And divided because of the betrayal of his leadership.
    1. Reserve officer 30 December 2019 21: 36 New
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      But I would very much like to meet with the amoeba, who put me minus, on the battlefield. And with great pleasure, without any tolerant deviations, defuse the entire store in the belly. For all the fallen, defending the honor and dignity of the USSR.
    2. Robertocalos 30 December 2019 22: 11 New
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      Exactly, what kind of a great country is this, if 2 generations of its leadership betrayed it? How did the traitors end up in the Kremlin, and even the group? What, someone Brezhnev, recruited Gorbachev with an apothem? And most of the three-generation political bureau?
      1. Reserve officer 30 December 2019 22: 16 New
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        Vadim, I myself would like to hear answers to your questions. And not starting with Brezhnev, but with Khrushchev. As a matter of fact, all the trouble began with him.
        1. Robertocalos 30 December 2019 22: 19 New
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          Well, Khrushchev at least stopped planting for a joke and other trifle, which he gave some freedom, air, and devour. It’s another matter that Be had to be said, or rather done. And he was catching up America with words and buried billions in a Cuban scam. Yes, and virgin soil is also a "fun" experiment. Well, the rivers did not have time to turn.
          1. Reserve officer 30 December 2019 22: 32 New
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            In fact, under Stalin, there was air, and there was something to eat.
            And Brezhnev had enough feats. But this is not about jokes. Khrushchev simply denounced the leader of the victorious people. In order to raise their reputation.
            Ghoul running in front of a steam locomotive. And in his own villains and crimes he accused the leader, in comparison with which he did not reach the height of the heel of his boot.
            I repeat, it all started with Khrushchev - if you can’t get on a par with the giant, then you need to slander and belittle him. Which was done.
            1. Robertocalos 30 December 2019 22: 51 New
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              Good. Khrushchev was Stalin's right hand. He participated in his murder (version), then he killed Beria, took power, then he put down the putsch “who joined them”, then threw Zhukov out. Did he do it all alone? And where is the Politburo, and where are the Obkomovtsy, where are the Communists, finally? What kind of autocracy did Stalin leave behind?
              1. Reserve officer 30 December 2019 23: 08 New
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                Khrushchev was never Stalin's right hand. It was he himself talking about himself. And only he, no one else. And there was no autocracy that Stalin allegedly left behind. There was the so-called democratic centralism - the main trouble of party discipline. When the first face blundered, and all the other pants stuck to the ass. There was universal approval. As now, however. And then ordinary communists did not decide anything then. We saw the decline of party democracy during the collapse of the USSR.
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                  So who introduced this centralism? Is it not Stalin?
    3. D-ug 1 January 2020 14: 59 New
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      Quote: Stock Officer
      The Soviet Union turned 97 years old. Without any prefixes, “would.”

      Turn on the news on TV. You will learn a lot of new things for yourself.
      Quote: Stock Officer
      A great state that defeated all external aggression.

      Right, everyone?
      And the "aggression" of Manchuria in 1938. twice?
      And the "aggression" of Poland in 1939?
      And the "aggression" of the Baltic states, Finland and Romania in 1940?
      And the "aggression" of Iran in 1941?
      And the "aggression" of Bulgaria in 1944?
      And even the real aggression of the Axis countries in Europe in 1941, was it defeated by the forces of only one USSR?
  • Alex Justice 31 December 2019 18: 03 New
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    Such an empire was sold .. destroyed ..

    The empire was before Lenin. He cut it into pieces, tore it apart.
  • Shuttle 1 January 2020 08: 22 New
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    Great nostalgia .. Red flag .. and to which .. he interfered. They sold such an empire ... they ruined it ... and now they’re bred demagoguery .. they say there was nothing besides galoshes .. mde .. sadness.

    In addition to personal nostalgia, there is also a historical error that will undoubtedly be recognized scientifically and corrected almost sooner or later. The great country will be restored, and our times will go down in history as dark.
  • D-ug 1 January 2020 12: 09 New
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    The red flag .. and to which .. he interfered.

    The USSR was prevented by the population. At the first opportunity, sensing the weakness of the dictatorship, the population got rid of the USSR. And besides marginals in the USSR today (at least in much richer compared to the RSFSR living Russia) no one is homesick.
  • Aqr009 1 January 2020 17: 15 New
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    Red flag..

    The blood red flag sounds better.
  • Terenin 30 December 2019 15: 03 New
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    On December 30, 1922, a country appeared on the world map in which the majority of readers of this material were born.

    We’ll drink for this, to MEASURE! drinks
    Py.Sy. MEASURE - Old Russian. unit of volume equal to 26,24 liters
    1. neri73-r 30 December 2019 15: 50 New
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      Quote: Terenin
      On December 30, 1922, a country appeared on the world map in which the majority of readers of this material were born.

      We’ll drink for this, to MEASURE! drinks
      Py.Sy. MEASURE - Old Russian. unit of volume equal to 26,24 liters

      No, we won’t pull the measure, at least 2/3 of the measure! wassat I miss the Great Country, it is especially painful when you cross the borders of the republics, I did not think before, but now other states.
      1. knn54 30 December 2019 16: 23 New
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        27 years without GREAT Country
        1. volodimer 30 December 2019 17: 16 New
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          27 ... This is already more than half of life ... But that was its better half ... Unfortunately, now this part will only decrease.
          This, of course, if I substitute the government and reach the pension, and not move the horses earlier wassat
          He started seriously, but could not resist.
      2. Terenin 30 December 2019 17: 01 New
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        No, we won’t pull the measure, at least 2/3 of the measure!

        Well, dear, I can’t help you. request . The President clearly said - it is necessary to set ambitious goals and objectives ... !!! soldier
        1. neri73-r 30 December 2019 17: 03 New
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          Quote: Terenin
          Quote: neri73-r
          No, we won’t pull the measure, at least 2/3 of the measure!

          Well, dear, I can’t help you. request . The President clearly said - it is necessary to set ambitious goals and objectives ... !!! soldier

          Guilty, I will correct! Today I’ll start. laughing
  • Invoce 30 December 2019 15: 17 New
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    And the echoes of that collapse still hack in the vast expanses from the Pacific Ocean to the Black Sea.


    Not just hoot, but bake in full - the same Ukraine.

    The most interesting thing is that in Ukraine, I’m talking about people who scream with foam at the mouth that Russia is an aggressor, a morder, etc., the USSR is a model of social society and causes only nostalgia .... I don’t understand them, I can’t understand, not that the USSR is a human state, but socialism is the next stage in the development of society after capitalism. What does Russia have to do with it, why did the roof move down?
    1. Zliy_mod 30 December 2019 16: 32 New
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      Really nothing to do with, the Crimea and the Donbass themselves left, they wanted and left, the green men ran so close ...
      1. cniza 30 December 2019 16: 58 New
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        What does Russia have to do with it, why did the roof move down?


        It’s easier to blame anyone, but not yourself - they are the pattern.
      2. neri73-r 30 December 2019 17: 05 New
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        Quote: Zliy_mod
        Crimea and Donbass themselves left

        Indeed, they themselves are gone, making it almost impossible.
      3. Terenin 30 December 2019 17: 08 New
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        Quote: Zliy_mod
        Really nothing to do with, the Crimea and the Donbass themselves left, they wanted and left, the green men ran so close ...

        And, you can clarify how many soldiers of Ukraine died, heroically fighting with the "green men" for ... that would not leave? And how many thousands of Ukrainian troops went to serve Russia in Crimea?
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          1. Terenin 30 December 2019 19: 31 New
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            But can I ask you a question - did you have to fight, shoot Russian ???

            We didn’t shoot at all and do not shoot. And, the Bandera power of Ukraine has been shooting at Russians (civilians) for the sixth year already. So the question is not addressed.
            1. Zliy_mod 30 December 2019 20: 50 New
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              No, answer, after the Crimea, when we We didn’t shoot, as Donbass happened. So that? It was necessary to shoot in the Crimea?
              1. ananias mudishev 30 December 2019 22: 19 New
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                And why almost 2 million Russian people in recent years have imposed their capelin in front of the Maidan
                1. Tuzik 31 December 2019 00: 27 New
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                  What actions do you mean by force imposed?
              2. Terenin 30 December 2019 23: 54 New
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                Quote: Zliy_mod
                No, answer, after the Crimea, when we We didn’t shoot, as Donbass happened. So that? It was necessary to shoot in the Crimea?

                Donbass and Crimea happened when you started seizing regional administrations in western Ukraine on January 16, 2014, and on January 22 of that year, information about the killings in a clash between the Natsik and the police began to officially come in (forgot about the stones and Molotov cocktails?). ..
                Did you forget about Bandera’s Friendship trains to Crimea, too?
                Forgot this criminal? We will not forget!


                The Ukrainian national radical movement "Right Sector" has promised to stop any manifestations of separatism in the country. About this, as reported by "News of Sevastopol", said the activist of the organization Igor Mosiychuk.

                “Attempts to break the territorial integrity of Ukraine will be severely punished. If the authorities are not capable of this, then the "Right Sector" will form a "friendship train." We, as in the 90th UNSO, will go to the Crimea. Then an audience like this one, like rats running away, when the column of the Unovtsy entered the Sevastopol ... ”, he said.
      4. Xnumx vis 30 December 2019 19: 47 New
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        Quote: Zliy_mod
        Really nothing to do with, the Crimea and the Donbass themselves left, they wanted and left, the green men ran so close ...

        But isn’t Ukraine, Soap created all the conditions for the Crimea-Sevastopol and Donbass not to want to live in your fairy-tale country? If people living in Sevastopol-Crimea-Donbass did not want to leave you, then Putin is not alone with billions of “green men” ( Polite people ) they couldn’t do anything ... Here, Ukraine has tried hard !! So that Do not blame the mirror, if the mug is crooked! For that Svidomo fought, and ran into it!
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          1. Tuzik 31 December 2019 00: 59 New
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            No need to bend the novel. Prudently seized the moment, yes. This made another bunch of enemies, yes. The rest is already fantasy on the basis of anger)
  • Nestorych 30 December 2019 15: 26 New
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    It was necessary to steal at least a little less, and work more, and the results would be different.
    1. Aerodrome 30 December 2019 17: 04 New
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      eh .. just Santa Claus in my childhood
      and now....
      1. karabass 31 December 2019 11: 02 New
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        This Santa Claus is a victim of the USSR! received 10 years without the right of correspondence - necropedozoofil
  • Vend 9 January 2020 11: 07 New
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    Quote: cniza
    And the echoes of that collapse still hack in the vast expanses from the Pacific Ocean to the Black Sea.


    Not just hoot, but bake in full - the same Ukraine.

    It is, but the funny thing is that the United States suffered the most from the collapse of the USSR. Mattresses are now feverishly looking for the enemy, but no country can compare with the USSR as a political adversary. And now, the United States is trying by all means to return the USSR, but I think this is already impossible.
  • Sansculotte 30 December 2019 14: 53 New
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    The USSR dissolved its power in the silence of the cabinet at the state dacha, and for some reason the patriots think that the liberals at the rally or the dissidents in the kitchen signed the decree. Especially cimes that one of the signatories of the dissolution decree L. Kravchuk headed the propaganda and agitation sector of communism for 20 years. But patriots still think that it was necessary to disperse people in the square with tanks, huh, so those who signed the decree on the dissolution of the USSR should have done it)) But does the patriot blame the government? The government is good a priori. It’s just “sneaked” into it, especially if it’s like the current, too bad associations are born otherwise)
    1. rocket757 30 December 2019 15: 08 New
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      For you, a patriot is not a sane person?
      Both nonsense and wisdom are measured out for everyone .... in short measured out.
      1. Sansculotte 30 December 2019 15: 14 New
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        The Russian patriot loves not “Fatherland” but “Your Excellency.” Those who love the Fatherland in Russia are called a liberalist, an agent of the State Department, a bulkhead
        1. qQQQ 30 December 2019 15: 45 New
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          Anyone who loves the Fatherland in Russia is called a liberal, an agent of the State Department, a bulk

          Probably out of great love they are trying to ruin the state, taking money from countries that see us as an enemy. This is because of patriotism they urge to give territory and repent and pay, recognizing and urging to admit the guilt of Russia, the USSR in all sins. Our liberals are ready to sell their mother for the opportunity to be in power, and they will not steal less than the current ones. The worst thing is that there is an ordinary squabble for power, while in order to steal a million, millions of people are ready to doom to lack of money, hunger, etc.
          1. Sansculotte 30 December 2019 15: 49 New
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            Everyone (except for Russian patriots) knows that Russia is always ruined by its own power)
            1. cniza 30 December 2019 17: 01 New
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              It goes on and on forever: “A strong leader, then weak, then strong again, etc.” and it’s always scary, I don’t want troubles.
            2. qQQQ 30 December 2019 20: 24 New
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              Everyone (except for Russian patriots) knows that Russia is always ruined by its own power)

              I do not deny this, I only emphasize that liberals are no better, and by the way, we now have a completely liberal government, course, economy and politics, it’s hard to find a more liberal one, everything is done at the expense of the people and for the benefit of the few chosen ones.
              1. Sansculotte 30 December 2019 21: 12 New
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                We have the power of bureaucrats — liberals or communists — it doesn’t matter. The power of bureaucrats without politicians inevitably falls apart. Putin, Medvedev are the officials who were appointed by the higher leadership, but how did they bring them to a higher position, changing the arc with each other, heroically defeating the same three on-duty funny clowns in the “elections” by imitating the political process. Putin and Medvedev are the top officials and not the politicians. The Russians again handed over all power to officials, including in parliament. And they will get a natural collapse of the country. Again . Until they learn
                1. qQQQ 30 December 2019 22: 18 New
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                  Putin and Medvedev are the top officials of bureaucratic appart and not politics.

                  But who cares whoever is in power, any government will rely on officials, the development of the state should follow an evolutionary path, maybe only our children, and maybe grandchildren, will live to see it, and we will get the collapse of the country if we arrange another revolution, those officials who they will live elegantly in any situation. We have capitalism, there is no question of any justice, we wanted jeans and chewing gum - we got everything, only everything has a price and we are paying this price now.
                  1. Sansculotte 31 December 2019 00: 16 New
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                    The power of fools among fools will certainly rely on officials, there is no doubt about this, a striking example of which is Russia, falling apart 2 times in 70 years.
                    1. qQQQ 31 December 2019 09: 01 New
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                      The power of fools among fools will certainly rely on officials, there is no doubt about this, a striking example of which is Russia, falling apart 2 times in 70 years.

                      Only, I will say politely, a very unintelligent person can consider that fools are in power. The Russian people are even wise, especially gifted in Ukraine have already shown what “too much mind” leads to. I do not justify the policy of our government, they are simply focused on other results, in my understanding, on servicing big capital and own enrichment.
            3. rocket757 31 December 2019 07: 49 New
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              Everyone (except for Russian patriots) knows that Russia is always ruined by its own power)

              Never, in such complex systems as human society, is there only one single reason from which everything came about. These are TALES!
              There is always a complex \ tangle of causes and circumstances, a fairly large group of people, even those in different social, political groups.
              This is then trying to highlight the main person, with I.F.O. which everyone is trying to connect .... we are looking, as always, for simple explanations in very complex issues. It’s not from wretchedness, it’s just easier.
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            Well, sho you are like a little, what do liberals have to do with it ??? The mantra was fed to you, and you are glad - the enemy was indicated about us !!! Atu him, atu!
            Power, this is the main enemy, in Ukraine it comes faster, in Russia there are more opportunities to blind people with fairy tales about greatness, patriotism, the mission of a white man. Have you not yet understood, already 28 years ago, the beginning of a new era - the construction of a system of personal enrichment for people who have reached power. They are smart, I don’t argue, they tell us in public what patriots they are, Russia is naturally the main enemy and Putin is to blame for everything, you have a bunch of unfortunate people called liberals to blame for everything, I’m sure it’s raining, echo of matzah, Makarevich, Navalny is all projects of the Kremlin are lightning rods, so that people don’t begin to understand what is really happening and how the government has us ...
            1. Paranoid50 30 December 2019 17: 05 New
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              in Ukraine it comes faster

              laughing laughing laughing In one sentence, two mutually exclusive provisions. Classic-ah ... yes
            2. qQQQ 30 December 2019 20: 30 New
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              That's all right, except for Ukraine, they are not smarter, but dumber, they forgot the history of their country so rich in revolution, they forgot all the consequences of these revolutions and it’s not about blurring our eyes, it’s just a dilemma: to live badly or to ruin everything to pieces and not have at all not what.
        2. Terenin 30 December 2019 17: 15 New
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          The Russian patriot loves not “Fatherland” but “Your Excellency”.

          Oh, winked for the first time I hear what would be called ... the US Embassy
    2. certero 30 December 2019 16: 37 New
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      The Soviet Union was betrayed upstairs ..
      First, the top rotted to the root, because it did not want to change. Of course, we’ll get confused by a new level of modern information technologies when the power will really belong to the people because it can be quickly changed.
      But for this again, you need to educate a whole generation of smart educated people.
      The question is how to do this under capitalism?
      1. AU Ivanov. 30 December 2019 16: 48 New
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        Just as they did in Belgium, Germany, Sweden. Their capitalism is much more social than Soviet-style socialism.
        1. voyaka uh 30 December 2019 17: 07 New
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          Of course. Some countries have chosen the path of Lenin's socialism. It turned out to be an economic failure. And some countries have chosen the path of socialism of Kautsky and Bershtein. It turned out to be viable and acceptable for countries where people have high social and collective responsibility. These are the countries of Scandinavia, Austria and a number of other countries of Europe.
          1. volodimer 30 December 2019 18: 00 New
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            No, warrior, you didn’t say everything, there was no socialism of Lenin. NEP is not socialism, only Stalin's socialism allowed our country to become a locomotive not only for its country, but also for many other countries. Therefore, China rejected Khrushchev’s attempts. And it was precisely the successes of Stalinist socialism that allowed the anointed "socialists of Kautsky and Bershtein" to manifest themselves, otherwise they would have had no chance. And do not talk about countries "where people have high social and collective responsibility" ... In the Stalin Soviet Union, people had higher social and collective responsibility. And Scandinavia and Austria, and a number of other European countries, no one after the Second World War threatened nuclear destruction, at a time when it was necessary to raise their country from ruins.
            The fact that they took advantage of their position, relieved internal tensions and improved the lives of citizens is a plus for them, but this is not an indicator of the superiority of their system, but an indicator of the effectiveness of using the existing conditions.
        2. max702 30 December 2019 17: 59 New
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          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          Their capitalism is much more social than Soviet-style socialism.

          Their socialism is a loan! And solely because of the need to confront the strong antagonist in the form of the USSR .. Today there is no need for shop windows .. the USSR is all, and therefore they will be cut, which we are now observing .. Take an interest in how much life has worsened in these countries with the collapse of the USSR .. But this is just the beginning. further they will be exacted for all those years that had to sponsor their socialism with a human face ..
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          There is no socialism in Germany or Belgium. Because power belongs to capital and private ownership of the means of production.
          1. AU Ivanov. 31 December 2019 12: 46 New
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            Therefore, they live better. Because private property and respect for it.
            1. certero 1 January 2020 17: 29 New
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              I wonder why in a huge number of countries where private property lives worse? Latin America is almost all capitalist a long time ago And in some countries, the population can write to write shitty. Is it strange really?
        4. 16329 1 January 2020 19: 50 New
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          In general, even the Germans themselves understand that all the social achievements of Western states were caused precisely by the presence of a socialist alternative, and now there is a gradual reduction of all social benefits, and indeed the middle class itself, which was formed under the conditions of a social state, is gradually decreasing in the process of consistent de-industrialization, transfer production to countries with low production costs, increased employment in the low-wage services sector, the gradual disclosure of the labor market for immigrants from countries with low wages and social protection.
  • Loess 30 December 2019 14: 54 New
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    and a huge country ceased to exist overnight.
    It's sad ... But you could shoot a dozen or two traitors and save the country. It is a pity there was no one who could do this.
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    2. Sansculotte 30 December 2019 14: 58 New
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      That there was no "pity", the power must be chosen and not watch how she appoints and reassigns herself
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        Quote: Sankyulot
        That there was no "pity", the power must be chosen and not watch how she appoints and reassigns herself

        It seems to be the right thing you wrote: power must be chosen. Are you an adult? Who will allow the people to do this? In 1996, did the people want to choose Yeltsin? His rating was near zero, he became president. After Yeltsin, Putin and his billionaire edros have been elected for 20 years. Do people choose that? Do not make me laugh. Elections without a choice are not elections, but profanity. This August was just recently. Power cannot be changed in elections. It can only be taken. About this a hundred years ago, the good grandfather Lenin wrote.
        1. Sansculotte 30 December 2019 15: 19 New
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          The power of officials, of course, cannot be changed in the elections, it does not change in Russia. But the power of politicians over officials completely changes in the elections. The fact is that in Russia politicians do not want to, because a politician can lose, how can one love this? you can love an official for a long time, which is what the patriots in Russia are busy with - they love selflessly power instead of the Motherland
          1. 16329 1 January 2020 20: 00 New
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            Such is the people in Russia, and officials and authorities are the same part of the people, if you don’t like it, don’t live in Russia, you will never change the people and their attitude to the authorities (in Russia it’s always overly critical).
            By the way, and the power of officials, just in Europe, the bureaucratic apparatus replaces both power and politics, and such democracies, where parties with initially opposing ideologies come together to calmly be in power (the red-black coalition in Germany, for example) are only familiar to citizens form of organization, with other contents.)
        2. qQQQ 30 December 2019 15: 50 New
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          I support, elections, this is a fiction, the focus that shows the people. No one will voluntarily give up power. On the other hand, our country has already been burned so many times at the change of power that it will not survive another attempt. Development should be evolutionary, as the state develops, society will also evolve, I'm afraid not only everyone will survive this bright time.
          1. DymOk_v_dYmke 30 December 2019 16: 28 New
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            gggg, sorry, did you understand what you wrote?
            Evolution in the direction necessary for the majority only through elections is possible.
            There is only one conclusion: to participate on our own, to persuade others to participate.
            Starting with lower-level election.
            There are examples of positive results.
            1. DNS-a42 30 December 2019 17: 59 New
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              You won’t replay the casino.
            2. qQQQ 30 December 2019 20: 39 New
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              I realized that I wrote: I described the problem of staged elections, and at the same time noted that a violent change of power is not acceptable. I won’t take part in the elections, I don’t like it when people try to manipulate me. And I am firmly convinced that if the absolute majority ignores this process, only then will the authorities see the severity of the problem. Not for nothing, one of the main criteria by which the effectiveness of local authorities was assessed was the percentage of those who came to the polls, they didn’t even look at how they voted, the main thing was how much came.
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                Quote: qqqq
                I realized that I wrote: I described the problem of staged elections, and at the same time noted that a violent change of power is not acceptable. I won’t take part in the elections, I don’t like it when people try to manipulate me.

                I translate from Russian into Russian: "I do not accept a violent change of power, but I do not want to participate in a smooth change of power."
                Quote: qqqq
                And I am firmly convinced that if the absolute majority ignores this process, only then will the authorities see the severity of the problem.

                And what body will she see?
                Apparently the one that put on the ignorant.

                The possibility of fraud is greater, the smaller the turnout, but even this is not the main thing.
                No matter how false or true results are published, true
                the results of any power are known and it is forced to take them into account.
          2. Gardamir 30 December 2019 18: 32 New
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            she will not survive another attempt
            may not survive if he does not try.
            1. qQQQ 30 December 2019 20: 44 New
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              Quote: Gardamir
              may not survive if he does not try.

              You are trying to compare the likelihood of a bad life with a guaranteed death. As the famous movie hero answered the question: it’s better to shoot or torment right away - it’s better to torment. The next revolution is the death of Russia.
        3. certero 30 December 2019 16: 40 New
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          Here it is not necessary to tryndet about the rating of Yeltsin in the ninety-sixth year. There wasn’t about 0 there. I myself participated in these elections. He was not high, but he was not zero.
          but I also remember well the elections in the Soviet Union when they turned into a real farce. Actually, the sunset began with this. When the very idea of ​​popular power was completely perverted
        4. AU Ivanov. 30 December 2019 16: 50 New
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          As if in the USSR there was the possibility of choice. Secretary Generals, they were not elected by the people at all, the decision was made
          a bunch of party functionaries.
      2. Loess 30 December 2019 15: 13 New
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        So that there is no “pity”, you need to choose power and not watch how she appoints herself

        Are you now so subtly for whom are you campaigning, if not secret?
        1. Sansculotte 30 December 2019 15: 21 New
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          For non-power
      3. neri73-r 30 December 2019 17: 09 New
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        That there was no "pity", the power must be chosen and not watch how she appoints and reassigns herself

        Tell me about the country where you choose power? Huh? Do not carry nonsense, especially about democracy.
        1. Sansculotte 30 December 2019 17: 45 New
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          But do not worry about others. If Cho-We will be the first.
    3. Zeev Zeev 30 December 2019 15: 07 New
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      In 1991, a million people went to a rally against Soviet power in Moscow. They also had to be shot?
      1. Loess 30 December 2019 15: 13 New
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        Quote: Zeev Zeev
        . They also had to be shot?

        I seem to have clearly indicated the number of candidates for execution. Do not try to ascribe to me too much.
      2. ultra 30 December 2019 15: 22 New
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        In the first, there was no million. In the second, not everyone opposed the Soviet regime. And in the third, some had to be slapped. Unfortunately, this became apparent after some time.
        1. Terenin 30 December 2019 17: 19 New
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          And in the third some it was necessary to slap.

          If, for example, I do not put +, this does not mean that I do not agree with this ...
      3. kjhg 30 December 2019 15: 28 New
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        Quote: Zeev Zeev
        In 1991, a million people went out to a rally against Soviet power in Moscow

        Are you raving or are you a provocateur? In 1991, at Manege Square in Moscow at a rally for the preservation of the USSR from 700000 to a million people came out. Everyone is standing there with the red flags of the USSR. If you mean that March rally after going to the street after Yeltsin’s appeal, there were 300 people.
        1. AU Ivanov. 30 December 2019 16: 52 New
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          Saving a single power is one thing. The removal of the Communists from power is another. I was in favor of preserving the country, but against the power of the Communists.
        2. Zeev Zeev 30 December 2019 16: 56 New
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          And there was a rally on January 20 and a rally on March 10. Where there were no less people, and the flags were completely different.
          https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/ottenki_serogo/9502070/551432/551432_original.jpg
          By the way, those same "300 people" on March 10, 1991.
          https://gdb.rferl.org/06FEC3DF-A522-4B16-8309-957378DAA069_w408_s.jpg
      4. Sansculotte 30 December 2019 15: 28 New
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        They came out against the power of the CPSU, the council is simply the legislative body of power, now it is called the Duma, it was also called that before the revolution. They opposed its filling with an organization called "CPSU"
      5. neri73-r 30 December 2019 17: 11 New
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        Quote: Zeev Zeev
        In 1991, a million people went to a rally against Soviet power in Moscow. They also had to be shot?

        Can you even imagine how many a million people are? How old are you? For example, I was in Moscow at that time and saw what was happening there.
    4. dgonni 30 December 2019 15: 27 New
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      Well, not a dozen, but 1.5 or 2 million. I don’t remember exactly how many members of the Communist Party were at the finish of the union. Well, to a handful, the entire officer corps of the armed forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the KGB of the Union.
      The contract was signed by three people from the top. But None of the above and by the way the swearing oath did not even lift a finger to save the state.
      So the second ten would not have cost. Ten million and yes
      1. Avior 30 December 2019 16: 07 New
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        The members of the CPSU were 19 million 400 thousand people in 1989.
        1. dgonni 30 December 2019 18: 59 New
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          Well, in this tsiferka and would have to fit.
    5. tihonmarine 30 December 2019 15: 49 New
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      It is a pity there was no one who could do this.

      Was alone. Albert Makashov.
    6. Aerodrome 30 December 2019 18: 37 New
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      Quote: Less
      and a huge country ceased to exist overnight.
      It's sad ... But you could shoot a dozen or two traitors and save the country. It is a pity there was no one who could do this.

      there were few "gulags" then .. I.V. Stalin.
  • denplot 30 December 2019 14: 55 New
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    Happy Birthday Motherland!
  • sir_obs 30 December 2019 14: 59 New
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    "She was harsh, not at all affectionate in appearance. Not glamorous. Not cloyingly amiable. She did not have time for this. Yes, and there was no desire. And the origin let us down. She was simple.
    All my life, as far as I remember, she worked. A lot of. Lots of. Engaged in everything at once. And above all, by us, the gabbers.
    She fed as she could. Not truffles, not lobsters, not parmesan with mozzarella. She fed with plain cheese, plain sausage wrapped in rough gray wrapping paper.
    I taught. She popped books under her nose, stuffed them into mugs and sports sections, took them to the movies for children's mornings at 10 cents for a ticket.
    In puppet theaters, in youth theater. Later - in drama, opera and ballet.
    Taught to think. She taught to draw conclusions. Doubt and seek. And we tried as best we could. And they were capricious. And they turned up their noses.
    And they grew up, grew wiser, wiser, received degrees, orders and titles. And they didn’t understand anything. Although they thought that we understand everything.
    And she sent us again and again to institutes and universities. At the research institute. To factories and stadiums. In collective farms. In construction teams. To distant construction sites. To space. She was always aiming us somewhere. Even against our will. She took her hand and led. Gently pushing from behind. Then she waved her hand and went further, watching us from the side. From far away.
    She was not blatantly ostentatious and deliberately generous. She was economical. Lean. I did not indulge in an endless variety of overseas goods. Preferred her home. But sometimes she accidentally gave away American films, French perfumes, German shoes or Finnish jackets. Infrequently and a little. But all of them were of excellent quality - and films, and clothes, and cosmetics, and children's toys. As befits gifts made by loved ones
    We fought for them in line. Noisily and very childishly admired. And she sighed. Silently. She could not give more. And therefore she was silent. And worked again. Build. Erected. Launched. Invented. And fed. And taught.
    We lacked. And we grumbled. Spoiled children who do not yet know grief. We grumbled, we complained. We were unhappy. It was not enough for us.
    And once we were outraged. Loud. Seriously.
    She was not surprised. She understood everything. And so she said nothing. She sighed heavily and left. Absolutely. Forever.
    She was not offended. During her long difficult life, she got used to everything.
    She was not perfect and she understood it herself. She was alive and therefore mistaken. Sometimes seriously. But more often tragically. In our favor. She just loved us too much. Although I tried especially not to show it. She thought too well of us. Better than we really were. And she cherished us as she could. From all the evil. We thought we grew up long ago. We were sure that we would live quite without her care and without her supervision.
    We were sure of that. We were wrong. But she is not.
    She was right this time too. As almost always. But, after listening to our reproaches, she did not argue.
    And left. Without firing. Not spilling blood. Without slamming the door. Without insulting us goodbye. She left, leaving us to live as we wanted then.
    That's how we live since then.
    But now we know everything. And what is abundance. And what is grief. Enough.
    Are we happy?
    I do not know.
    But I know for sure what words many of us never said to her then.
    We paid in full for our teenage impudence. Now we understood everything that we could not at all recognize with an immature mind in those years of our serene spoiled childhood ...
    Thank you! Do not remember us badly.
    And I'm sorry For everything!
    THANKS TO YOU, THE SOVIET MOTHERLAND !!! "

    Words are not mine but subscribe to each.
    1. parusnik 30 December 2019 15: 30 New
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      Words are not mine but subscribe to each.
      .... And I subscribe ... I will only add, and warned us all from the southern mountains to the northern seas, live together and together ... Together, no one will break you ... But scatter, they will break you one by one .. But we did not heed ....
      1. tihonmarine 30 December 2019 15: 51 New
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        And take a run, they’ll break it one by one .. But we did not heed ..

        I remember the words of Michurin: "Take a twig and break, and now take a broom" drumstick ", you can’t break it already.
      2. Van 16 30 December 2019 16: 20 New
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        I also liked it, well written, strong.
  • Zeev Zeev 30 December 2019 15: 06 New
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    28 years ago, the USSR officially ceased to exist. And do not mourn him.
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      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      And do not mourn him.

      Peremptoryly so ... And let's here everyone will decide for himself whether to "grieve" or not.
      1. Connor MacLeod 30 December 2019 15: 40 New
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        He has a rating -120 000 and falls. Man sets records laughing
        1. Karen 30 December 2019 16: 16 New
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          Quote: Connor MacLeod
          He has a rating -120 000 and falls. Man sets records laughing

          So they don’t give the corresponding title to minus-record players ... It would be possible simply with a “-” sign ... Type: minus general, minus marshal, etc. ... :)
          1. rich 30 December 2019 16: 42 New
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            Karen (Karen):So they don’t give the corresponding title to minus-record players ..

            Zhenya, Karen drinks Happy you
            I offer the appropriate title:
            Troll amateur-500 cons
            Troll with a training manual -1000 minuses
            cooler -2500 cons
            fan -5000 cons
            turbo fan - 10000 cons
            1. Karen 30 December 2019 16: 54 New
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              drinks With the coming of everyone who has remembered good memories of a shared past !!!
          2. Mordvin 3 30 December 2019 17: 28 New
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            Quote: Karen
            So they don’t give the corresponding title to minus-record players ... It would be possible simply with a “-” sign ... Type: minus general, minus marshal, etc. ... :)

            They used to give. Turtles on epaulettes so sculpted.
      2. rich 30 December 2019 16: 14 New
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        Zeev Zeev (Zeev Zeev) : 28 years ago, the USSR officially ceased to exist. And do not mourn him.

        And you apparently grieve only when you pay taxes? This is for you personally Zeev, and not to the rest of the inhabitants of Israel, who go to the "wailing wall" and mourn.
        1. Zeev Zeev 30 December 2019 16: 31 New
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          There is no Hebrew Wall in Hebrew. But mourning near the Western Wall is not about the collapse of the USSR request
    2. tihonmarine 30 December 2019 15: 53 New
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      28 years ago, the USSR officially ceased to exist. And do not mourn him.

      Interestingly, if Israel ceases to exist, will you grieve?
      1. Zeev Zeev 30 December 2019 16: 32 New
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        Do not wait ...
        1. tihonmarine 30 December 2019 17: 04 New
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          Do not wait ...

          Allah Alim!
        2. Paranoid50 30 December 2019 17: 06 New
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          Do not wait ...

          Duc, already. yes
  • Tusv 30 December 2019 15: 07 New
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    As the French say: "The king is dead. Long live the king." But if the social system in Russia has not died, then the USSR is alive. It remains to bury the past very bad, and to leave the good past and revive. Actually it is a symbol of any New Year.
    1. Aerodrome 30 December 2019 18: 53 New
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      symbol of any new year

      The symbol of this year is annoying ....
      1. Arberes 30 December 2019 19: 15 New
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        The symbol of this year is annoying ...

        Such a normal animal! There was a time my daughter kept two of these, but they are smart ... however.

        Not a pig - that's for sure
        Yes, and what else to add?
        God's creation with a sly muzzle.
        Let the mustachioed rat color
        New Year color palette!
        Dream at night, brothers
        And about this and that.
        Maybe we’ll have a ponytail
        Will bring luck to the house ?!
        1. Aerodrome 30 December 2019 19: 46 New
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          Quote: Arberes
          Quote: Aerodrome
          The symbol of this year is annoying ...

          Such a normal animal! There was a time my daughter kept two of these, but they are smart ... however.

          Not a pig - that's for sure
          Yes, and what else to add?
          God's creation with a sly muzzle.
          Let the mustachioed rat color
          New Year color palette!
          Dream at night, brothers
          And about this and that.
          Maybe we’ll have a ponytail
          Will bring luck to the house ?!

          if only the "rat" as usual wouldn’t take everything out of the hut, saying that the old people are rich without it ... you really need a bottle of oil and two kilos of cereals, because you just need to be taken down to the grave, but it’ll blow it down ... what a misfortune ... plagiarism is already damn rushing .. oh well, tomorrow Chief, you’ll lie even cooler.
      2. sabakina 30 December 2019 19: 40 New
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        Airfield, this beast on the Chinese calendar. Do you know that there is the same Russian calendar? For some reason, the truth about him is silent ...
        1. Arberes 30 December 2019 19: 43 New
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          Quote: sabakina
          Do you know that there is the same Russian calendar?

          And what kind of animal in Russian?
          Quote: sabakina
          For some reason, the truth about him is silent ...

          Probably not as popular as the east? We all need to work on this as nito! hi
          1. sabakina 30 December 2019 19: 51 New
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            Arberes, chees word, was not interested. I just remember from memory that they talked about him a year ago on the radio. Unfortunately, I’m not so meticulous ... I remember and remembered. At least in the past year there was some kind of serious beast.
            1. Arberes 30 December 2019 19: 55 New
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              2020 according to the Slavic calendar falls under the leadership Forward Mizgir (spider)
              And you know, I asked, and here’s what Google gave life-giving. He is also an amateur spider.
              1. sabakina 30 December 2019 19: 59 New
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                Arberes, again, albeit a spider, but he does not sting, does not bite, but spins. Although, if a Russian weaver is pissed off, she may even bite ... wink
        2. Aerodrome 30 December 2019 19: 51 New
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          Quote: sabakina
          Airfield, this beast on the Chinese calendar. Do you know that there is the same Russian calendar? For some reason, the truth about him is silent ...

          absolutely aware, and that was the year of the “Soaring Eagle”, and that the year of the Coming Mizgir is coming ... yes .. in the know ... but who cares?
          1. sabakina 30 December 2019 19: 54 New
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            Airfield, thanks. With your answer you answered my opponent above regarding the beast according to the Russian calendar.
      3. AU Ivanov. 30 December 2019 19: 54 New
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        A rat is better than a pig. And much better than Monkeys.
        1. Aerodrome 30 December 2019 20: 08 New
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          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          A rat is better than a pig. And much better than Monkeys.

          I immediately say that my gastronomic feelings are offended ...
          1. Arberes 30 December 2019 20: 17 New
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            Quote: Aerodrome
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            A rat is better than a pig. And much better than Monkeys.

            I immediately say that my gastronomic feelings are offended ...

            Do you like rattles in horseradish on Tuesdays? tongue
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              Quote: Arberes
              Quote: Aerodrome
              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              A rat is better than a pig. And much better than Monkeys.

              I immediately say that my gastronomic feelings are offended ...

              Do you like rattles in horseradish on Tuesdays? tongue

              not ... I ... I love you know sir, at evening sunset, to twirl these rats on the ponytails ... well, and cognac, of course ... and who is without sin?
        2. Arberes 30 December 2019 20: 11 New
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          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          A rat is better than a pig. And much better than Monkeys.

          Rats, pigs, monkeys.
          The choice is not bad!
          And we have a spider,
          Though small, but mine! hi


          In general, each animal is good in its own way and is needed by this world.
          1. Aerodrome 30 December 2019 20: 28 New
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            Quote: Arberes
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            A rat is better than a pig. And much better than Monkeys.

            Rats, pigs, monkeys.
            The choice is not bad!
            And we have a spider,
            Though small, but mine! hi


            In general, each animal is good in its own way and is needed by this world.

            sincerely ... drinks in my bathroom, a little spider settled in, here’s 3-4 mm ... so ... I stopped vacuuming there, look, sie * al into the hole in the putty, I’ll take out the rug, exhaust it, look, and the “roommate” in the morning herachit a bit of light, tirelessly doing something, does something, I am ashamed of my sapiens, it becomes stingy, I wish a little spider luck, and ... I close the door ... to the bathroom .. well, I go on shifts. P / S: what to name and what to present for NG? (no flies)
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              sincerely ...

              Well, for the USSR! drinks
              1. Aerodrome 30 December 2019 20: 44 New
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                Quote: Arberes
                Quote: Aerodrome
                sincerely ...

                Well, for the USSR! drinks

                you can’t even answer in any way, except "always ready"! drinks
  • KVU-NSVD 30 December 2019 15: 11 New
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    It’s a pity you can’t enter the same river twice ... It’s good that the RSFSR was left unified at the time and only because of this the core of the empire was preserved (although there were many people who wanted to shred it too (for "self-determination", "economic optimization" and other enemy "universal values" crafty bait slogans)).
    1. tihonmarine 30 December 2019 15: 58 New
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      It’s a pity you can’t enter the same river twice ... Well, at least the RSFSR was left unified at the time and only thanks to this the core of the empire

      I recall the words of General Denikin, I don’t remember exactly, but so "Russia now, as the beast walks through the forest carefully, cuts its ears, but time passes and Russia will rise and become Great."
      1. Aerodrome 30 December 2019 20: 41 New
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        I recall the words of General Denikin, I don’t remember exactly, but so "Russia now, as the beast walks through the forest carefully, cuts its ears, but time passes and Russia will rise and become Great."

        such as Denikins and they rule ... and the Great, but do not care for everyone ...
    2. Aerodrome 30 December 2019 20: 12 New
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      It’s a pity you can’t enter the same river twice

      a trick ... every two-legged person entering the river enters twice ... you can argue about the four-legged, but, here you need to know the speed of the current ... for example ... yes, everything is perishable ....
  • Qwertyarion 30 December 2019 15: 18 New
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    The USSR was killed by the elders rulers of the eighties. Mind they did not have enough time to allow young blood to rule the country.
    And of course, the fatal mistake of the elders is Gorbachev.
    But the country was good, everything worked.
    Cities were built, factories, collective farms grew bread, everyone had work.
    I was born and raised in a village.
    Warm memories of the harvest, the smell of harvested corn, diesel fuel, a round-the-clock grain warehouse working on which the crop was processed, a school where 200 children studied, remained in my memory.
    Now there is no collective farm, there is no work in the village, we all parted in search of a better life, mostly old people live in the village, forty houses are empty ....
    1. Connor MacLeod 30 December 2019 15: 36 New
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      Quote: Qwertyarion
      The USSR was killed by the elders rulers of the eighties. Mind they did not have enough time to allow young blood to rule the country.
      And of course, the fatal mistake of the elders is Gorbachev.

      Well, Gorbachev did not ruin the USSR. Gorbachev destroyed the Eastern Block. But the USSR collapsed Yeltsin, making Gorbachev the president of a non-existent country. Combined. The USSR became a victim of domestic political intrigues ...
      1. Qwertyarion 30 December 2019 15: 52 New
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        IMHO Gorbachev Misha was a wimp.
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          Quote: Qwertyarion
          IMHO Gorbachev Misha was a wimp.

          a dubious synonym for the word ... fallen living flesh ... but rotten ... I do not know how to be even more accurate.
      2. tihonmarine 30 December 2019 16: 05 New
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        Quote: Connor MacLeod
        But the USSR collapsed Yeltsin, making Gorbachev the president of a non-existent country ...
        Well, we all know what happened on December 26, 1991. The Council of the Republics of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR adopted a declaration stating that in connection with the creation of the Commonwealth of Independent States, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a state and subject of international law ceases to exist.
        1. sabakina 30 December 2019 19: 45 New
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          tihonmarine (Vlad), and let's dance from the stove. To begin with, the “triple alliance”, that is, the CIS was created illegally. Accordingly, all subsequent decrees, including the USSR Armed Forces, are illegitimate.
          1. tihonmarine 30 December 2019 19: 52 New
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            Quote: sabakina
            "triple alliance", that is, the CIS was created illegally. Accordingly, all subsequent decrees, including the USSR Armed Forces, are illegitimate.

            That is the essence of the collapse of the USSR. Everything was done outside the law. They were illegal, and they must be judged by the Law. But why now the authorities are silent about this.
    2. parusnik 30 December 2019 15: 37 New
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      And of course, the fatal mistake of the elders is Gorbachev.
      ... Misha de Gorbachev is young, has not yet reached his mind and will be accustomed to us. ... laughing
      1. tihonmarine 30 December 2019 19: 57 New
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        Quote: parusnik
        .Misha de Gorbachev is young, has not yet reached his mind and will be harassed by us. ...

        But where did this “Misha” come from, who he was, and what he became. Everything can’t be hung on the “Elders”, there were specific people who “pulled out” this Misha.
    3. Good_Anonymous 30 December 2019 15: 43 New
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      Quote: Qwertyarion
      The USSR was killed by the elders rulers of the eighties.


      As well as the 60s and 70s. Or maybe the 50s too.
      1. tihonmarine 30 December 2019 19: 57 New
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        Quote: Good_Anonymous
        As well as the 60s and 70s. Or maybe the 50s too.

        The USSR was killed since 1953.
        1. Good_Anonymous 30 December 2019 20: 01 New
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          If so, then this indicates a complete and absolute failure of the personnel policy until 1953.
    4. ultra 30 December 2019 17: 46 New
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      Quote: Qwertyarion
      Soviet elders killed the rulers of the eighties

      The USSR itself was killed by the CPSU, which turned out to be incapable of change. The inertness of thinking and ideological blinders hinder the country's development.
      1. tihonmarine 30 December 2019 19: 59 New
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        Quote: ultra
        The USSR itself was killed by the CPSU, which turned out to be incapable of change.

        And who killed the CPSU?
        1. Good_Anonymous 30 December 2019 20: 22 New
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          And the CPSU committed suicide.
  • Odysseus 30 December 2019 15: 20 New
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    Excuse me comrade ancestors. We all lost. Our fault.
    Now we have the responsibility to fix everything.
    1. tihonmarine 30 December 2019 20: 00 New
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      Quote: Odyssey
      Now we have the responsibility to fix everything.

      Now you need to think not about responsibility, but how to fix the situation.
  • parusnik 30 December 2019 15: 23 New
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    On December 30, 1922, a country appeared on the world map in which the majority of readers of this material were born.
    ... Or in the words of the guarantor, it was on this day that V.I. Lenin laid the bomb under the future, democratic Russia ... with its Gazprom, football and everything else ... and pension reform is also the work of his hands ... laughing
    1. AU Ivanov. 30 December 2019 17: 05 New
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      Yes, they didn’t have time to neutralize this Leninist mine. Only the Karelian-Finnish SSR was abolished. If there weren’t all these union republics, on which Lenin insisted so, the state would have survived. The system would have changed (and it was high time it was time to change) and a single country would remain.
  • garrett 30 December 2019 15: 25 New
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    Today, the Soviet Union would be 97.

    RIP
    1. rich 30 December 2019 16: 19 New
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      Today, the legend of Soviet cinema would also have turned 97 to the artist Pavel Kadochnikov (1915-1988), director and teacher, People's Artist of the USSR, hero of Socialist Labor.
      1. tihonmarine 30 December 2019 20: 04 New
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        Quote: Rich
        Today, the legend of Soviet cinema would have turned 97 to the artist Pavel Kadochnikov (1915-1988)

        So he was born on July 16, 1915.
      2. sabakina 30 December 2019 20: 06 New
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        Yes, Dima, the toast of his movie character in the film "Scout's Feat" "For victory! ........... For our victory!" the current generation is unlikely to understand ...
        1. solzh 30 December 2019 21: 13 New
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          Quote: sabakina
          a toast of his movie hero in the film "Scout's Feat" "For victory! ........... For our victory!"

  • maden.usmanow 30 December 2019 15: 31 New
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    And the strongest army didn’t help the Union, and here old tales continue to sing.
    Neither hypersounds nor lasers will defeat the corrupt elite.
    1. tihonmarine 30 December 2019 20: 08 New
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      And the strongest army didn’t help the Union, and here old tales continue to sing.

      No one sings tales, I’ll just ask you, but where, in which country did the army prevent a coup? I know one country where the coup took place, but then the army restored order.
  • polar fox 30 December 2019 15: 55 New
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    so legally the USSR hasn’t gone anywhere ... the calculations of all the “banks” are carried out in Soviet rubles, the citizens of the USSR are also present (though they don’t want to realize this), the assets haven’t gone anywhere, just the organized crime group “power” is trying to blow its cheeks, as it does with the Olympics. ..Do not let the representatives of the non-existent "country", and not the citizens of the USSR, then that is how the "guarantor" from the whole of the Soviet Union shows up.
    1. Vadim237 30 December 2019 16: 37 New
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      Nor are there any Soviet rubles in circulation - there are Russian rubles.
      1. evgen1221 30 December 2019 17: 22 New
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        In the interbank foreign code, ussr
        1. tihonmarine 30 December 2019 20: 10 New
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          Quote: evgen1221
          In the interbank foreign code, ussr

          That's the way it is.
    2. Aerodrome 30 December 2019 20: 59 New
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      Quote: polar fox
      so legally the USSR hasn’t gone anywhere ... the calculations of all the “banks” are carried out in Soviet rubles, the citizens of the USSR are also present (though they don’t want to realize this), the assets haven’t gone anywhere, just the organized crime group “power” is trying to blow its cheeks, as it does with the Olympics. ..Do not let the representatives of the non-existent "country", and not the citizens of the USSR, then that is how the "guarantor" from the whole of the Soviet Union shows up.
      I have the same tickling on May 9 ...
  • vladcub 30 December 2019 16: 01 New
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    “the official recognition of the new state did not take place, to put it mildly, immediately.” But there is nothing surprising in this. If you put yourself in the place of Poles, Finns, or the same Baltic states, how good it was to deplete the ownerless territory and suddenly a host appeared at the territory. Of course, this is not desirable.
    But if we look deep into history, something similar has already happened. After the end of the “troubled time” in Russia, that Mikhail Romanov was immediately recognized by the Poles or Swedes. Whatever the case, both the Swedes and the Poles benefited from the turmoil and collapse in Russia.
    It was the same in 1922
  • paul3390 30 December 2019 16: 58 New
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    Quote: GKS 2111
    Nostalgia for a happy and calm life

    Nostalgia for People with a capital letter, for Soviet, real people .. Creators and not consumers and grabbers who are only interested in loot and their own well-being .. Alas - it’s from our people that the cursed bourgeois are trying to make now ..
    1. Ronald Reagan 30 December 2019 18: 10 New
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      The people completely and completely deserved the situation in which they found themselves.
      1. paul3390 30 December 2019 19: 22 New
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        Of course. If I were smarter in my 25s, I would have torn the shit out of the teeth of the democrats for Soviet power. At the lanterns he would hang himself, and then he would tell the children. Eh ...
        1. tihonmarine 30 December 2019 20: 13 New
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          Quote: paul3390
          If I were smarter in my 25s, I would have torn the shit out of the teeth of the democrats for Soviet power.

          Well, most thought so, not only 25 year olds. If they thought otherwise, they would live in the Union.
          1. Vadim237 30 December 2019 20: 22 New
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            Only here, the USSR’s housekeeper would have been a market house with the passage in the 90s of everything that today's Russia went through — since in the 80s the USSR had already gone bankrupt, he would not be able to live according to a planned economy.
          2. paul3390 30 December 2019 20: 23 New
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            Yes, then no one just understood what was happening! We were handed a brain that everything will be the same as before, only it’s better .. If they had clearly said - the collapse of the Union and capitalism, then everything would have turned out differently. But then they threw us stupidly, lying brazenly .. Alas - then we did not realize this.
            1. tihonmarine 30 December 2019 21: 24 New
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              Quote: paul3390
              Yes, then no one just understood what was happening! We were given the brain that everything will be the same as before, only better.

              Well, in my opinion, Aristarchus also said, "If you are promised a better life, do not believe it."
            2. Campanella 31 December 2019 01: 21 New
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              That's for sure I wrote about it too. Yeltsin was still an extravagant to us, when the first secretary of MGK came to the party activist ... he would know there and would crush the nits!
  • arlekin 30 December 2019 16: 58 New
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    Forgive me, the sufferers-mourners in the USSR, but they remind me very much of one comic character from the “Golden Calf” of Hvorobiev. Do you remember?
    "Fedor Nikitich Hvorobiev was a monarchist and hated Soviet power. This power was disgusting to him." "He tried to think about the pleasant: about prayers on the occasion of the namesake of some highest person, about gymnasium exams and about relatives who served in the Ministry of Education." In a dream he wanted to see "the tsar’s exit from the Assumption Cathedral", "but instead of the face of the adored monarch, he immediately saw the chairman of the local committee, Comrade Surzhikov."
    PS I can write and say this, I managed to unlearn, serve and work for several years in the USSR.
    1. Sergey Averchenkov 30 December 2019 17: 13 New
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      Have you tried jumping? Why try it there, you look and enjoy it. :)
    2. tihonmarine 30 December 2019 20: 17 New
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      Quote: arlekin
      PS I can write and say this, I managed to unlearn, serve and work for several years in the USSR.

      Well, I understand, you live and rejoice. Well, continue to live on like that.
  • Atlant-1164 30 December 2019 17: 05 New
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    these comrades did not live well under the USSR. that’s ruined, that would not interfere with their life.
    1. tihonmarine 30 December 2019 20: 19 New
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      these comrades did not live well under the USSR. that’s ruined

      They were just as dumb.
  • Sergey Averchenkov 30 December 2019 17: 10 New
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    And I still live in the USSR - my granddaughter asks: "Grandfather, what kind of holiday is November 7th?" What can I tell her? What? How did I pump the country and did not take up arms in time? So it remains only to scribble the lines here ...
    1. sabakina 30 December 2019 20: 11 New
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      Sergey Averchenkov, but there is no need to be silent. She must show her films of the USSR in chronological order, starting from Lenin in October. And about weapons .... Even if everyone sitting here would have taken up arms, absolutely nothing would have changed. Well then there was no leader .... Yes, and now along the way there is no ...
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        I think it would change. But "would" such a word ... BE. It is what it is. It remains only to cry in a vest ...
    2. tihonmarine 30 December 2019 20: 23 New
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      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      How did I pump the country and did not take up arms in time? So it remains only to scribble the lines here ...

      If only you are alone. Where are our generals with the iconostasis of orders? But ordinary officers carried out their orders, we simply could not overpower ourselves. For you, the order from above is the order of the Motherland. You don’t reproach yourself so much.
      1. Sergey Averchenkov 30 December 2019 20: 27 New
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        Thank. But this is not easier.
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          Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

          Thank. But this is not easier.

          Have you doubted?
    3. Demon_is_ada 31 December 2019 05: 33 New
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      You were simply deceived and took advantage of your trust. The most interesting thing is that the majority believed in the best, there is such a thing as "conscientiously mistaken", even Gorbachev think he wanted what happened? Living in Germany and shaking with fear and contempt? I am sure that no, just believing the external brilliance of the West and persuading and other crap did what he was advised by "experts" from abroad, but their goal was completely different ... Hollywood is not just a place where films are made, it is a forge propaganda for the whole world and in a month produces as much propaganda as all its followers have produced during the entire existence of the communist ideology and compare the campaign for a film and a couple of political economy that no one understood and could not tolerate. The poorly worked out ideological base, as Marx created it on his intuitive instinct, has remained in the same form until now, which the institutes were not completely clear about. In the West, sharks play dusting of the brain and play very subtly on human instincts, both good and bad, but always in their favor. I had to study psychology very deeply and I can say that the work of Freud and others is less than a percent of the truth. So take it for granted, this is an evolutionary step and the USSR will be, and eternal, how soon everything depends on us. And it’s easier for you, unlike me, you didn’t know what would happen, but I partially guessed, I just lived in Uzbekistan at that time and everything there blossomed in a double color, not even capitalism, feudalism in its wildest manifestations. And I tell how I rode, relaxed and rode in detail, so that the young knew how this happens. And weapons ... well, when 90% of the population believes not in God and not in Communism, but in business, then they would have to shoot longer, longer than civilian ... Muslims have such a bike, you will go to heaven if you die for Vera but if you make the right Muslim and a true believer out of the wrong, then you and your relatives will go to heaven ... so I think that the second option is still better, although it’s dreary and long, but the reward is worth it .. .
      happy you hi
  • evgen1221 30 December 2019 17: 19 New
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    Remember, grieve, believe!
  • demo 30 December 2019 17: 19 New
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    One can argue for a long time about the fact that in the beginning of the 20s someone “planted a bomb under the USSR”, but completely different people who, by the way, didn’t make any effort to get that notorious “bomb” (if it really was), neutralize.

    The bomb was.
    The theorist, and then the practitioner Ulyanov-Lenin, with all his fibers of the soul, lowly subservient to the “God's people”, prepared and embodied the right of nations (in the sense of a single nation - ?!) to self-determination.
    And here Putin is right as never before.
    If there hadn’t been such a “guiding star”, there would have been no collapse.
    Making efforts to render harmless was not realistic and counterproductive.

    But if you carefully and meticulously review how the preparation and signing of the Union Treaty was going on, who signed it, what powers he had, in what terms, then the creation of the USSR is also a fiction.
    However, it is also clear that there was no time to comply with the pro forma.
    Lenin drove horses.
    The World Revolution is on the nose, but we have not consolidated.
    One phrase of Lenin - “For us, it’s important not where the state border runs,” said Lenin, “but that the alliance between the working people of all nations to fight the bourgeoisie of any nation” should be preserved, ”speaks for itself.
    The USSR was created as a raw material base, as a breeding ground for growing revolutionaries to export revolution in all directions.
    And then Stalin pulled the country by the hair, with blood and torment, from the tenacious paws of the Ulyanov-Bronstein-Bukharin-Zinoviev and the like.
    1. Gardamir 30 December 2019 18: 46 New
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      And here Putin is right
      Why has Putin not canceled republics within the Russian Federation in 20 years? Is Lenin guilty again?
      1. AU Ivanov. 30 December 2019 19: 22 New
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        Because national autonomies do not have the right to secede from the Russian Federation, unlike the Soviet republics. The right to secede from the USSR is a mine.
        1. demo 30 December 2019 20: 46 New
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          You are not quite right.
          However, the question is very complicated.
          After the "parade of sovereignty" leapfrog began with the adoption of their own constitutions.
          The Kremlin struggled for a long time with a very dangerous formulation - republics were proclaimed carriers of sovereignty. However, the question of complete state independence and secession from the Russian Federation, as a rule, was not raised.
          Please note - however!
          Yesterday was not set. And tomorrow?
          Mention of sovereignty was subsequently almost universally excluded from republican constitutions. Tatarstan remains an exception: the Constitution of the Republic of Tatarstan provides that sovereignty is an “inalienable quality state” of the republic, interpreting it as the possession of all state power outside the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation and the powers of the Russian Federation on the subjects of joint jurisdiction of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Tatarstan, and the republic itself as united with Russia (although it further confirms the status of the Republic of Tatarstan as a subject of the federation).
          So there is something to think about !!
      2. demo 30 December 2019 19: 24 New
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        Sometimes it seems to me that Putin is of the 2000 model, Putin in 2007 and Putin 2014-19 are completely different people.
        Although the way it is.
        People change with age.
        The abolition of republican division in the country is a very responsible and difficult step.
        National elites hold on tight to this bugbear.
        Take Kadyrov without Chechnya.
        It turns out nobody and nothing.
        With a minus sign it turns out.
        Take Shaimiev, Rakhimov.
        A group, to put it mildly, of not quite worthy people, in conjunction with similar ones, usurps power in the region.
        Provides obedience to the Center. And do not forget about yourself, dear ones.
        It’s more profitable for everyone.
        Putin does not go into peripheral affairs until the periphery begins to throw too frank conics.
        Or shows disobedience.
        Abolishing the republic is difficult, but possible.
        But you must first offer something in return.
        Or a carrot or a stick.
        Then it goes.
        In Russia, he shouts how it is necessary to abolish the federal structure of the state.
        Only unitary.
        Otherwise, this formation can also be torn.
        This is my point.
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          People change with age.

          not ... this environment changes people .... og ... I respected Putin, who stood on the steps of the residence in the GDR, with his back wet, and with eight cartridges in the “Makar” (and with one in the barrel) when he coldly said that he would put the assaults as much as he could, it’s yes, Man, and now that everything has so awkwardly moved out ... yes ... it’s not a “cake” anymore ... well, the ancients knew what the cormorant was about:
          1. demo 30 December 2019 20: 16 New
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            The environment that led and put the person in place simply did not allow anyone to change.
            But man is weak.
            To change is to fight.
            I just wanted to live.
            1. Aerodrome 31 December 2019 06: 44 New
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              Quote: demo
              The environment that led and put the person in place simply did not allow anyone to change.
              But man is weak.
              To change is to fight.
              I just wanted to live.

              apparently so. children ... friends ... obligations ...hi
    2. tihonmarine 30 December 2019 20: 33 New
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      Quote: demo
      The theorist, and then the practitioner Ulyanov-Lenin, with all his fibers of the soul, low servility to the "God's people", prepared and embodied the right of nations (in the sense of a single nation - ?!)

      Well, just don’t need to hang all the dogs on Vladimir Ilyich Lenin. He understood more than others, "who is who." But he made it so that the scum helped him and the Bolshevik party to take power from them and make a proletarian revolution. For which he has been hated by world capital for 102 years.
  • depressant 30 December 2019 17: 22 New
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    Sometimes I dream of a house. The one that the schoolgirl was building along with her father. Three rooms upstairs, two downstairs, in the same place, downstairs, instead of the third, there is a large kitchen with a pantry, lined with Czech tiles, a German “corner”. In the hallway there are flowers, a wall painted by me with oil paints. Everything is neat and tidy, everything is beautiful, a large library, more than a hundred art albums - dragged from the latter, settling in.
    Everything has passed.
    I only see dreams. It’s like I’m standing in a neighbor’s garden by the fence, leaning against and looking at the HOUSE through the branches of the trees of my garden, not daring to climb and enter.
    Entered only once. Everything is unrecognizable, alien. Goodbye...
    And now, in the infinite distance from our home in time and space, everything around is alien. As if I had died a long time ago, and the visible - stretched in perception for the seconds of parting with life, the last surge of dying consciousness.
    Goodbye my house.
    1. rich 30 December 2019 18: 53 New
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      The USSR of the 70s was my childhood. Thanks for him
    2. demo 30 December 2019 20: 25 New
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      In my life I had to somehow paint the walls with oil.
      The basis were illustrations for Pushkin's tales.
      Painstaking, hard, but interesting work.
      As a faceless wall turns into a joy for people.

      So, colleague, with permission, keep yourself.
      Your memory is a connecting, kind and living thread.
      From your ancestors, to your children (I hope they are) and grandchildren.
      I often drive past the house where I lived from one year to 10 years.
      Where he began to walk, talk, write and count.
      Where did the parents live? Where grandmothers came.
      Where praised and punished. Where they loved and showed severity.
      Where security and suspense.
      Where everything is clear and understandable, but at the same time mysterious and creepy.

      All this was, all this is, all this will be.
      Until that moment, until your eyes close forever.
      Happy you.
    3. tihonmarine 30 December 2019 20: 44 New
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      Quote: depressant
      I only see dreams. It’s like I’m standing in a neighbor’s garden by the fence, leaning against and looking at the HOUSE through the branches of the trees of my garden, not daring to climb and enter.
      Entered only once. Everything is unrecognizable, alien. goodbye

      I know that too. In a village near Dauria, the grandfather’s wooden house, where there was room for all his children, but we lived together, apart from hunting huskies. Sunrise and sunset, this is not in the world. Now it is a dream, or a former reality. Everything was a long time ago, but I want everything to return. But alas, I do not live in the Soviet Union.
  • Lenin 30 December 2019 17: 43 New
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    Eh such a country was purged .. I wanted to live better? So we live in beauty and one day, if only to survive! soldier
  • nikvic46 30 December 2019 18: 33 New
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    You can relate to the USSR in every way. But we must understand what we have now been created under the Soviet Union. The nuclear shield that we used to be proud of was founded four years after the Second World War. The inheritance in aviation and space exploration. Chemists worked hard at the launch of the snowstorm. And how many were sold out . And if someone thinks that in 90 it was easy to form a cooperative, or at least to work in it, it’s not at all like that. To earn money, cooperators underestimated the wages of workers, thus avoiding taxes. Now there is a resettlement of people in search of work. and medications to doom. Now they are without doom, but they do not heal.
  • Astronaut 30 December 2019 18: 45 New
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    I’ll go pour and remember wonderful times! Although in those days I would not have such as it is now, but it was better to live and breathe more freely ... Maybe I'm getting old ...
    1. tihonmarine 30 December 2019 20: 46 New
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      I’ll go pour and remember wonderful times! Although in those days I would not have such as it is now, but it was better to live and breathe more freely ..

      I supported you, and poured my glass faceted with a scar, knocked it to the bottom and filled the second one.
    2. Campanella 31 December 2019 01: 29 New
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      I agree, young were, however, full of strength and hope. And now, damn it, the age of finishing off! But the cattle came up with the term!
  • Ilya Zaitsev 30 December 2019 19: 31 New
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    Well, then the ideal of the socialist communist system is alive - the DPRK!
    If you want to taste the sweetness and bright future in the best achievements of this social model, you are welcome to live in the Great Korean People's Democratic !!! Republic !!!! preferably several years .....
    1. polar fox 30 December 2019 20: 16 New
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      you are welcome to live in the Great Korean People’s Democratic

      you lived there yourself, or did one grandmother tell me?
  • Campanella 31 December 2019 00: 18 New
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    There is nothing eternal! It's a shame the project was promising, so many destinies were laid ... the leaders of the last decades flashed their minds and quick wits and merged everything. Well, through thorns to the stars! We will wait until the current ones merge their capitalism. The greed of frayers will destroy. The natural monopolies have already decided to pay half of the profit on dividends, all of which are not enough for them thieves and swindlers.
  • Benjamin Gnomes 31 December 2019 02: 30 New
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    the red dogs will never calm down, with their unfinished ...
    1. Mordvin 3 31 December 2019 02: 47 New
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      What do we want, American footcloth?
      1. Benjamin Gnomes 31 December 2019 13: 17 New
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        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        What do we want, American footcloth?

        American footcloth is your last name.
        Rather, all the red dogs went to his Jewish idol - Lenin, there you have a way.
        1. Mordvin 3 31 December 2019 14: 30 New
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          Quote: Benjamin Gnomes
          Rather, all the red dogs went to his Jewish idol - Lenin, there you have a way.

          Don’t worry, Venya, we’ll all be there.
  • 1536 31 December 2019 09: 47 New
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    What we do not store, lost - cry! Communism has a future, and people are unlikely to agree to live under the US-Nazi dictatorship.
  • sla1372 31 December 2019 10: 03 New
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    but it seems to me that the USSR will recover, but only on other principles so that later it doesn’t sound from the outskirts of Ukraine, like that it feeds the whole USSR or Georgia, they all went only to the Volga and the Russian people couldn’t afford it and there are a lot of examples
  • Xnumx vis 31 December 2019 10: 17 New
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    this is an unhealed wound in the heart of a Ukrainian, betrayal is your essence, they used the pretext, and I have no doubt - organizing, creating the Maidan is a successful operation of the Russian special services, I think Yanek will confirm this.

    Of course ! Yushchenko, Madame Tymoshenko, Tyagnibok, Kuchma, Kravchuk and other imperious scumbag of Ukraine and I have nothing to do with it! You really can’t see your guilt .. Yes, you go !!!! with my SOAP UKRAINE! There are not enough words ... You can’t understand your guilt
    !
  • erofich 31 December 2019 19: 41 New
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    And now - the idea of ​​the existence of the state is absent and impossible by the definition of the current system. * Capitalism or imperialism under construction * - you can call it that, but everywhere, in advertising, the public heritage !!!
    Where does patriotism come from? Salvage rules the country and the oligarchs.
  • Esaul 31 December 2019 22: 17 New
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    And for me it’s so good that this dystopia has ended, now life is much freer: if you want to live normally - study, think and work, but do not want to - drink, watch TV and homeless.
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      If everything was just like that, where would the ruined yesterday's lucky people come from?
  • D-ug 1 January 2020 12: 06 New
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    At the time of 1990, the Soviet Union had a population of nearly 300 million people, an industrial production rate of 16,5% of the world total (second indicator), national income of 3,4% (7th place in the world), outstanding scientific, technological and humanitarian schools. And most importantly - the desire of the overwhelming majority of citizens to live, love, work in a single country.

    In addition to the population, everything else is simply amazing nonsense at the level of delirium.
    The USSR was a poor state with a poor population. When there was absolutely nothing to eat in the country (and hunger would be a permanent state of the USSR, if there were no 2MV type force majeure, everything is about the same as in the DPRK now), the poor population, sensing weakness, fled in different directions. Pulling behind him the USSR.
    In material terms, many have benefited from this. The Russians, residents of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, the elite and near-elite of other states, former union republics - these definitely won. It’s more difficult with the rest, most of them from the collapse of the USSR materially lost. But also not all.
  • Oleg (Kharkov) 1 January 2020 13: 52 New
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    and my opinion of the USSR is first of all the Ukrainian SSR. Khrushchev, Dnepropetrovsk clan. The last elite of the RSFSR was shot in 1949-1954. And in 1991 Ukraine had more nuclear warheads, carriers, strategic aviation than the Russian Federation.
    Directly according to Stalin "Lenin left us a great legacy, and we him ..." p.
    This is to say that it’s stupid and ridiculous to hear from TV that Ukraine has suffered from the USSR.
  • iouris 4 January 2020 17: 02 New
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    If yes. Tomorrow there will be no one to remember about this.