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Nuclear war. A dosimeter for everyone!

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Dosimeter - the cornerstone of preparation for nuclear war


“It was a nuclear winter. A radioactive snow was falling, a dosimeter cracked comfortably ...” So a story on the theme of nuclear war with New Year’s flavor could begin. But the article is not about this, but about readiness for a nuclear war and its consequences. Or, more precisely, about certain aspects of this matter.

Dosimeters - for all or almost all


In my opinion, the most important thing in preparing for a nuclear war (practical preparation, not just a word) is the mass production of dosimeters, radiometers and other devices that can record and somehow measure radioactivity. This production should be so massive that dosimeters were at all or practically at all, and their use and wearing would be as commonplace as using, say, smartphones.

Now, of course, dosimeters are on sale. Only here they are not cheap and you can’t call them affordable. For example, a household dosimeter MKS-01CA1B costs 22,2 thousand rubles. Even compact samples have very tangible prices. For example, a small Radex One dosimeter (weight 40 grams, length 112 mm) costs 6,9 thousand rubles. Or the Soex 112 dosimeter (the size of a felt-tip pen, 126 mm long) - 4,3 thousand rubles. For a specialized device, this is a lot, the vast majority of consumers, who, in principle, can lay out that kind of money for an electronic gadget, will not buy a dosimeter specifically.


Radex One is one of the best dosimeters for personal use. If he also cost less ...

But it is necessary that such devices be widespread. If almost everyone has a dosimeter, then any spot of radioactive contamination, any source of radiation will be quickly detected. Radiation is dangerous when nothing is known about it and therefore it is easy to irradiate. A detected radiation source can be removed, bypassed, or shortened to a safe time near it. From the point of view of the military command and civil defense leadership, the presence of millions of dosimeters makes it possible in principle to quickly collect comprehensive information about the radiation situation both in peacetime and during a nuclear war, and to properly respond to it.

It is more expedient, of course, to mount dosimeters in various household appliances as a kind of add-on. If the USSR were seriously preparing for a nuclear war, and did not pretend to be ready for it in words, then the dosimeters would be built into televisions, radio sets, radio sets, and radio points. It could be a very simple device, which would include an alert with “vile” wheezing and a blinking light bulb at a dangerous level of radiation (say, 0,5 x-rays per hour). And the instructions would say that if your TV suddenly wheezed and a red light flashed, you need to urgently call the police and report it.

But this has not been done. Now, in the current conditions, it would be most advisable to make a car dosimeter (car devices are less sensitive to dimensions than gadgets for personal use) and add it to the required set of car accessories. There are almost 52 million cars in Russia. If all of them are equipped with even the simplest dosimeters, then this will already create the opportunity to collect data on the radiation situation at least in the territory covered by the road network. Car dosimeters can be connected to navigators, collect and transmit measurement data to a centralized system, military or the Ministry of Emergencies. This system is also very useful in peacetime: it allows you to identify point sources of radiation, abandoned or lost by someone, and it can also identify attempts to illegally transport radioactive materials.

Commandant's Office of the Radioactive Contamination Zone


In the conditions of a nuclear war, when zones of radioactive contamination arise after nuclear strikes, a large number of dosimeters makes it possible to solve the tasks of reconnaissance of the radiation situation most quickly and completely. This is important because this environment is changing rapidly. After a nuclear explosion, a cloud of radioactive fallout is carried by the wind, which can change direction and speed, thereby affecting the size and configuration of the radiation wake. The trace and then change: the radioactive elements are carried by wind and water, which leads to the spread of the trace, as one could see from the infection zone in the Urals after the accident at the Mayak plant. The level of radiation and the change in the boundaries of the infection zone must be constantly monitored in order to make the right decisions.

This requires a lot of dosimeters. Established army radiation intelligence is unlikely to cope with such a task on their own. Firstly, a lot of time will pass before they spread out. Secondly, they are unlikely to cope with the study of the situation on an area of ​​tens or even hundreds of thousands of square kilometers of areas of radioactive contamination, which will undoubtedly arise after massive nuclear strikes.


Radioactive contamination zone (how it might look on the example of the East Ural radioactive trace)

That is why it is necessary to accumulate millions and millions of dosimeters in peacetime, to make this device widespread, so that at the decisive moment they are available and in places where they are needed, and not in warehouses hundreds of kilometers away. If the dosimeter is in every car, then by already elementary questioning of the drivers or by viewing the device log it will be possible to collect fairly accurate information about the spot of radioactive contamination that has appeared.

What measures can be taken further? The first is that the zone of radioactive contamination is a zone of limited and controlled access; therefore, a commandant’s office and its own commandant’s service are needed there. Its tasks are, on the whole, similar to the tasks of commandants of the front-line zone.

The second - you need to quickly, within a couple of hours or faster, determine where the population (and all those staying in the zone should simply be kicked out due to the high level of radiation), where it is worth deploying the decontamination work, and where you can simply get by with access control with a limited stay. All this needs to be done quickly so that the population and those who are in the zone of infection do not have time to gain a significant dose. The biggest difficulty is the evacuation of the population and its placement in evacuation centers.

Thirdly, the introduction of access control, the establishment of control points and radiation shelters for him, patrolling the territory, the creation and deployment of decontamination detachments under the command of the commandant's office of the radiation contamination zone. Personal dosimeters greatly simplify the organization of access control.

The commandant's office of the radiation contamination zone is fully capable of resolving all issues of residence and stay on its territory, the use of military or economic facilities located there, and issues of decontamination. Therefore, from a military-economic point of view, radioactive contamination is not at all as dangerous as it is customary to think about. But provided that the commandant’s office will have a sufficient number of dosimeters.

By the way, I do not at all consider the experience of work at the Chernobyl NPP optimal and even successful from the point of view of organizing a radioactive contamination zone. Rather, this is an example of how it was not necessary to do what should be considered separately and in the context of preparations for a nuclear war.
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 31 December 2019 06: 09 New
    +5
    Preparing for a nuclear war? I personally think that the probability of its beginning is still there, although not so great.
    1. Sergey39
      Sergey39 31 December 2019 06: 58 New
      +8
      How do dosimeters appear in mass sales - I’m getting ready for war.
      1. Mar.Tirah
        Mar.Tirah 31 December 2019 07: 22 New
        +13
        Quote: Sergey39
        How do dosimeters appear in mass sales - I’m getting ready for war.

        how dosimeters will be available for sale, it means that there was an accident or release somewhere. I already did this in 1993. Because of the explosion at the radiochemical plant, radioactive substances were released into the atmosphere. Then the dosimeters were sold in all stores. checking the traffic on the highway. I jokingly asked what we were looking for? The answer was traces of strontium! So it’s better to live without it, especially on the eve of the holiday. All forum users and visitors to the site HAPPY NEW YEAR!
        1. BARKAS
          BARKAS 31 December 2019 10: 04 New
          0
          At the beginning of the 90s, dosimeters were distributed free of charge for the local authorities in the villages.
      2. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 31 December 2019 07: 56 New
        +2
        I have ID 1, a few pieces, new, 1987, I'm ready smile
        1. Foundling
          Foundling 5 January 2020 11: 33 New
          +1
          ID-1 is poorly functional, with low sensitivity. Designed more for pathologists than for carriers
      3. The comment was deleted.
      4. bar
        bar 31 December 2019 12: 48 New
        +3
        How do dosimeters appear in mass sales - I’m getting ready for war.

        Apparently only the lack of dosimeters in mass sales from the war and saves.
  2. Far B
    Far B 31 December 2019 06: 17 New
    -1
    using and wearing them would be as commonplace as using, say, smartphones.
    Given the latest trends, the functions of dosimeters will simply be implanted into smarts, why bother?)))
    In my opinion, the most important thing in preparing for a nuclear war (practical preparation, not just a word) is the mass production of dosimeters, radiometers and other devices that can record and somehow measure radioactivity. This production should be so massive that dosimeters were at all or practically at all
    More vodka is needed yes Vodka is the best prophylactic if applied before possible exposure)))
    In general, a very necessary article for the New Year, I brush)))
    1. Foundling
      Foundling 5 January 2020 11: 37 New
      0
      Already have both a watch and a smartphone. However, with the radiation that they are able to detect and transmit, the readings of these "devices" will no longer have any meaning for you. The sensors themselves (Geiger counters) will not fit into a smartphone even in hours. Even the imperfect SBM-20, and even more so the very effective SBT-10
  3. Amateur
    Amateur 31 December 2019 06: 18 New
    +6
    Secondly, they are unlikely to cope with the study of the situation on an area of ​​tens or even hundreds of thousands of square kilometers of areas of radioactive contamination, which, of course, will arise after massive nuclear strikes.

    After massive nuclear strikes for the remaining part of the population, dosimeters are unlikely to become a necessity. And for black cockroaches, a dosimeter is unnecessary.
  4. KCA
    KCA 31 December 2019 06: 33 New
    +4
    A few months after the nuclear war, the level of ionizing radiation will be the lowest, which worries people, let the canned food bank glow in the dark, the Geiger counter will bequeat not with clicks, but with a siren, a person will gobble up these canned food anyway
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 31 December 2019 10: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: KCA
      Months after a nuclear war

      Even the very first ulcers did not leave any significant radioactive infection .. with their efficiency then .. Hiroshima and Nagasaki to study you .. Within a few days, the induced radiation decreases to a safe level even at the epicenter. And the explosion does not leave long-playing isotopes, because the explosion. Again, in the study of the atoll where the Americans conducted the tests .. the first explosion - the air did not leave any traces, the underwater dirtied the sunken ships, and at first the background was wild .., but after 4 days it decreased to moderate. So radiation is the least to be feared after the bombing. And you need to stock up on clean water, cereals, canned goods and a plot in the forest .. What would there be water, a piece of land and inaccessibility .... otherwise all this will fall to others ..
      1. KCA
        KCA 31 December 2019 10: 47 New
        +2
        In Moscow or any city, stock up on food in case of war and life in the absence of civilization, here I laugh, well, only if you are not like my brother, for example, he has workers with whom he goes hunting, three guns and a carbine, cartridges, a safe floor , he will easily leave for the forest and survive for many years, if I have time to cooperate with him, I also gave my gun to him, myopia interferes with hunting, but I will live in the forest, and the forest is under my window, although the city is clearly for the first purpose for Minutemen
        1. Passing
          Passing 16 January 2020 20: 58 New
          0
          Quote: KCA
          he will easily go into the forest and survive for many years

          Naive, the NKVD will find you deserters with dogs, they will shoot ideological survivors, sympathize with them in the penal battalion, bathe in blood, restrain the Lyakho-Khokhlyatsky hordes rolling on the capital.
      2. ser56
        ser56 31 December 2019 16: 27 New
        0
        Quote: dvina71
        but after 4 days it dropped to moderate

        in fact, a period of 10-fold decrease in the activity of nuclear explosion products - 7, hours, days, etc. ..... That is why nuclear shelters are designed for 2 days - activity will fall 100 times ...
  5. gas113
    gas113 31 December 2019 06: 39 New
    +10
    The management even now considers dosimeters as a subject of unnecessary public concern. The dosimeter is a source of panic for the poorly educated. Few people know the basics of radiation safety.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 31 December 2019 09: 56 New
      +11
      Quote: gas113
      Dosimeter source of panic for poorly educated

      That's for sure! There are many places on earth in which the natural background exceeds the "norm" hundreds of times. And people live there, just live ... And if you give them dosimeters, and explain that everything above this number is horror-horror? Illnesses developing on the background of stress - as many as you want ... We get - what we are looking for.
      1. KCA
        KCA 31 December 2019 10: 55 New
        +3
        According to Science 2.0, there was a program about radiation, about airplanes, and about the natural background, there were a lot of things, as the resort in South America showed, I don’t remember which country, the natural background there is 400 times higher than our allowable and what? There are so many people that where our Crimea or Sochi
    2. Glory1974
      Glory1974 31 December 2019 10: 00 New
      +3
      The management even now considers dosimeters as a subject of unnecessary public concern.

      An officer served with me, who was an operational duty officer during the Chernobyl disaster. He says: "I'm sitting on duty. Suddenly, the radiation reconnaissance device fires, the arrow deviates and there is a nasty squeak. According to the instructions, I immediately call the district and report. The operative at the district headquarters receives the report and hands the receiver to the officer from the counterintelligence department. He talks about the need to preserve the military secrets about the burst of radiation no one gu-gu. Until now, the question is still tormenting, did they know about the emission of radiation and were preparing? "
      1. beeper
        beeper 31 December 2019 14: 01 New
        +3
        Even when we built the sarcophagus above the reactor, it was alkaline and leaked.
        At that time, a familiar fireman (and from the cities of the Ukrainian Southeast, I don’t even know where else, then there stood out firefighters who were on duty at the Chernobyl station for a month), who had just returned from such duty for a “vodka kettle” He said that every 18 hours there is a release of radioactive vapor from under the dome of the sarcophagus.
        This steam, cooling, settled in the district. It is clear that at that moment a surge of radiation was observed.
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 1 January 2020 16: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: glory1974
        The management even now considers dosimeters as a subject of unnecessary public concern.

        An officer served with me, who was an operational duty officer during the Chernobyl disaster. He says: "I'm sitting on duty. Suddenly, the radiation reconnaissance device fires, the arrow deviates and there is a nasty squeak. According to the instructions, I immediately call the district and report. The operative at the district headquarters receives the report and hands the receiver to the officer from the counterintelligence department. He talks about the need to preserve the military secrets about the burst of radiation no one gu-gu. Until now, the question is still tormenting, did they know about the emission of radiation and were preparing? "

        About the emission of radiation can be found out only after its emission, no? laughing And so, yes. RHBZ equipment was then enough everywhere. I went to the beginning of the opera. 80s., The radiation situation up every hour reported, it was in the order of things. If something is wrong, the de.General then called back and clarified. There was no access to the opera. Only the composition of the order and the persons who appointed it were admitted. That is, the chief of staff, for example, could bring a kontrik with him, but he himself could not get there. Well that's me, bruise drinks
  6. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 31 December 2019 08: 06 New
    +5
    A good, life-affirming theme for the New Year! The author suggested the idea of ​​a gift to loved ones! laughing With the upcoming and the author and readers!
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 31 December 2019 08: 36 New
    +1
    Nuclear war. A dosimeter for everyone!

    This is very optimistic stated .... most likely something else will be needed, or maybe not. it’s only fortune telling, but let it remain so.
  8. Undecim
    Undecim 31 December 2019 09: 00 New
    +9
    Really on the eve of the New Year there was no normal article that had to print a work of graphomaniac-atomosophobia?
    Happy New Year, everyone! Health, happiness, peaceful sky!
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 2 January 2020 16: 19 New
      +1
      Interested in the definition of "atomosophobia". What kind of disease?
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 2 January 2020 20: 49 New
        +1
        Fear of nuclear weapons and radiation.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 2 January 2020 21: 01 New
          0
          So, it is necessary to welcome !!! Nowadays, among the “urapatriots,” the theme of the healing effect of penetrating radiation is popular!
          Imbeciles! I hate it! We would see a person dying of leukemia ...
          1. Jager
            Jager 6 January 2020 16: 49 New
            +1
            it can provoke, like any other form of cancer, anything, in fact cancer is an accident, the probability of external factors can be lower or higher.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 6 January 2020 16: 56 New
              0
              You are undoubtedly right! However, in two cases of death from leukemia that I was not fortunate enough to observe, the initiating factor was a radioactive damage to the body.
              1. Jager
                Jager 9 January 2020 18: 08 New
                0
                How many people die in accidents, die from tobacco and alcohol in one year - you can’t eat cancer in a hundred years ...
  9. BAI
    BAI 31 December 2019 09: 18 New
    +2
    1. Evaluating the quality of dosimeters by size and weight is a good idea.
    2. It is mandatory to impose something - there are 3 problems: the Law on the Protection of Consumer Rights, price increases and the presence of foreign competitors.
  10. demokrat86
    demokrat86 31 December 2019 09: 52 New
    +9
    What dosimeters are in cars and household appliances? Did the author frostbite his brains? And what about the disposal of this matter, our people can’t throw a goby into the urn .... and even if the war does not help the dosimeter. 90% of the population does not know where the nearest shelter is, on which team to advance there, etc. You’ll better not talk about the state at all. I have 3 shelters in the city that I know, but I'm interested in this, so 1 is abandoned, 2 entrances are tightly welded and 3 are at a secure facility and, accordingly, for employees
    1. wehr
      31 December 2019 16: 35 New
      +1
      The shelter will not help you - you simply will not have time to reach it, because the notification will come about 20 minutes after the nuclear explosion. laughing
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 1 January 2020 16: 28 New
        0
        Quote: wehr
        The shelter will not help you - you simply will not have time to reach it, because the notification will come about 20 minutes after the nuclear explosion. laughing

        Maybe right now it is, but in my time the signal came with the threat of a nuclear strike, and not in fact. Shoigu and then ruined everything? Well, I, in fact, had no doubt laughing
        1. wehr
          1 January 2020 18: 00 New
          0
          This refers to a civil warning system. She is really unhurried.
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 2 January 2020 18: 21 New
            +1
            Quote: wehr
            This refers to a civil warning system. She is really unhurried.

            You probably did not find that time. When the signal Glow 666 came to the troops, a command about a nuclear attack passed in the GO. I remember how in my childhood a siren came out from all the pillars, how "specially trained people" ran around the apartments, how we collected the most necessary things and fled to the shelter. It was believed that before the strike was from 1 to 3 days. No need to invent anything. So it was in the USSR. Then, when he himself served in the army, on this signal we left the PAP, and the local population scattered about sheltering. Until the 90th it was like that. Then - I do not know, but this does not apply to the USSR.
            1. wehr
              2 January 2020 20: 41 New
              -1
              No, I didn’t. Although I remember the end of the Soviet regime nonetheless, we had nothing of the kind, despite the fact that we lived 1800 meters from the target of a nuclear strike.
  11. Operator
    Operator 31 December 2019 10: 45 New
    +9
    The dosimeter is different; only expensive models record and measure all types of ionizing radiation: alpha (helium nuclei), beta (electrons and positrons), gamma (photons) and neutrons.

    Plus consider the accumulated dose of radiation.
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 31 December 2019 12: 49 New
      -1
      It is enough to register the fact of danger by gamma. Pure alpha / beta (no gamma) is a rare exotic.

      And to consider the accumulated dose - it costs nothing, the electronics are now almost free.
      1. Operator
        Operator 31 December 2019 14: 12 New
        +1
        But should neutron radiation be simply ignored? laughing
  12. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 31 December 2019 11: 15 New
    +3
    D. Verkhoturov -yak iceberg .... unsinkable! They drive him at the door, and he returns to the window! He has at least $ I in his eyes, and he: God's dew! Well done ! That is, "... dec," how little he understood in life! But he understood the main thing! Found a "gold mine" in the trash - develop it until it is completely "depleted and don’t let anyone near! Are D. Verkhoturov's" recommendations "useful? Let's cough it up! The author regrets that dosimeters in the USSR were not built into televisions, radios, refrigerators , irons ... And on a fig? The USSR, contrary to the desire of I. Verkhoturov, was not going to fight with nuclear weapons! In the USSR they developed nuclear weapons not for war, but so that in the USA there would not be a perverted desire to bomb "USSR territory"! And now, the likelihood of a "nuclear war" is in doubt! (It’s the EU, the US is necessary?). Therefore, in principle, nitratomers than dosimeters should be more in demand! And sho dosimeters? If the "territory of residence" will be radioactive? Type ... plus or minus ... bias, but it’s equal death?! Where are you going to get away with your dosimeter? I understand when the GPS is in your pocket or integrated in your smartphone! So even with your wife, if you’re a lover nearby, you can miss each other .... or vice versa! if the area is "infected"? What coolie difference is that 99% of the population or 20% have dosimeters ...? How "promising" it sounds (!) ... if you have a mute dosimeter, you can die in 10 days, and if you have a dosimeter, then you can choose such a place, it will turn out ... "give the ends" in 20 .. .!
    1. wehr
      31 December 2019 16: 37 New
      0
      Patented Peacemaking laughing
      I won’t even argue with you, for a rather banal reason for the lack of practical sense in a dispute with a person so gripped by fear.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 31 December 2019 17: 05 New
        +3
        Quote: wehr
        I won’t even argue with you,

        Yes, drop it! I beg of you ! If you don’t want to argue, then why bother banging your fingers on the keys? no And what fear can I be “embraced” if our “leader leader” guaranteed us a place in paradise? yes It let the adversaries fear! This is hell promised to them! am
        1. wehr
          31 December 2019 17: 08 New
          -2
          You are most afraid of dying.
          Here it makes you sad.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 31 December 2019 17: 39 New
            +2
            Yo mine! How sure you are! belay And with what pontalyk, you are our seer? request For example, I didn’t know to myself "such and such"! lol
            1. wehr
              31 December 2019 17: 44 New
              -1
              Of course. And what else can you conclude from your comments?
              Read yourself and try to look at them from the side.
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 31 December 2019 17: 54 New
                +1
                Quote: wehr
                Read yourself

                Duc, "I'm not a reader ... I'm a writer" laughing !
  13. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 31 December 2019 12: 47 New
    +2
    The main common thought is to put various control devices in the GLONASS modules, which are already put into cars (that is, our rights to privacy are already violated, it won’t be worse). Then you can immediately collect readings with coordinates and form a map in real time.
    1. Winnie76
      Winnie76 31 December 2019 13: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: Sancho_SP
      The main common thought is to put various control devices in the GLONASS modules, which are already put into cars anyway.

      And in the skull of every police officer a video camera for reporting. Verkhoturov will tell the model, manufacturer and cost
    2. vfwfr
      vfwfr 31 December 2019 17: 30 New
      +1
      I’m embarrassed to ask .. Do you have a push-button mobile phone or just use city phone?) Any mobile phone has GPS (GLONASS is the same only at a different radiation frequency). THOSE. a priori a probable adversary can track, does not bother you, but bothers your own ...? I’ll tell you a secret even if you pressed the button off on the screen .. then the power to the transmitter module does not stop going ..... Well, but if it’s all the same with the button ... then you can also find .. longer, with more error, but you can .
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 31 December 2019 21: 50 New
        -2
        Close the secret back, open door will be upset)

        Quite right, the surveillance from the side of the probable enemy does not bother me, because I personally do not need him and the data on my movements (in particular) he will not be able to harm me personally. And “my own”, for whom I (a simple citizen in the broad sense) - a source of income (tax, penalty, and other levies payer), it is quite possible to use this data to my detriment.
  14. Jurgens
    Jurgens 31 December 2019 13: 00 New
    +4
    The boy raves about the war and sets up illiterate articles. And why is it published in the "weapons" section? Make already a "corner Verkhoturovo", let the whole stream of consciousness from the all-knowing ignoramus pour in there ..
  15. marshes
    marshes 31 December 2019 13: 37 New
    0
    Now in Russia, it’s possible that smartphones are released so that they do not have a dosimeter mounted.
    If such a purchase, near INP, plus interest in bulk materials from which the house was built, a private house, annual finishing touches.
    And so the family is provided with food, means of defense and defense laughing
    1. Foundling
      Foundling 5 January 2020 11: 51 New
      +1
      The smartphone has to be made the size of an iron, so that there is a counter like SBM-20, and for good SBT-10, shove it. However, SBM - 21 was pushed into the clock, but it will work when the others start to glow. However, they produce “dosimeter modules” for smartphones and if you fall into the active zone of a nuclear reactor, it should work. The main thing is not to show this stray to the specialists of the Russian Chemical and Chemical Plant, otherwise they will burst with laughter!
  16. Simple
    Simple 31 December 2019 14: 38 New
    -2
    As for the objectivity and information content for the population:

    In Soviet times, the country's leadership lived by the rule: the less a person knows the negative, the better for him.

    You can also "draw" maps of radioactive contamination, bypassing settlements.

    And the author of the article is about dosimeters for everyone. wassat

    Nobody offers such a thing even in the West for its population.
  17. Vasily
    Vasily 31 December 2019 15: 27 New
    +1
    Happy New Year, everyone!!! And the author has a question: who sends the signal "Chemical alarm!" ? - right, the first to discover the danger. Who gives the signal "Air alert!" Right, the first to discover. Who gives the signal "Radiation hazard!" ? .... so who? Think about it, and then write similar opuses.
    1. sergevl
      sergevl 31 December 2019 16: 00 New
      +2
      Much more lives would be saved by a methyl alcoholometer. Just a piece of paper indicator. When methanol hits, a skull pattern with bones appears. And a microcapsule with methanol to test. It would have saved more lives.
      1. sergevl
        sergevl 31 December 2019 16: 02 New
        0
        A teetotaler could check with a glass for the presence of methanol.
      2. wehr
        31 December 2019 16: 45 New
        0
        Methanol can easily be determined using potatoes. Cut a piece of potato and throw it into the liquid. If it is methanol, then the potato will turn pink.
        1. sergevl
          sergevl 1 January 2020 01: 32 New
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          and if isopropanol turns pink too?
          1. wehr
            1 January 2020 01: 57 New
            0
            In my opinion, no.
          2. Jager
            Jager 6 January 2020 16: 55 New
            +1
            Have you ever sniffed isopropyl alcohol? I worked with him for 5 years. It stinks wild, very often it is a substitute for methanol in glass. No one will drink it.
    2. IL-NAVY
      IL-NAVY 1 January 2020 10: 20 New
      +1
      who gives the signal "Chemical alarm!" ?
      There is no such signal. laughing
      In each NP, there is a GO GO, from where the authorities must broadcast (or give a command).
      Notification of the threat of chemical contamination - undertake enterprises with such production. About 30 years, a system has been operating in the West, sensors, filters, connections ....

      And at the GO GO, they also use the Soviet PRM-PRD. Like take phones and mobile communications. Still work great.
      1. IL-NAVY
        IL-NAVY 1 January 2020 10: 30 New
        +1
        I forgot, NPPs have their own independent monitoring and warning system. As an example, "Ring" ZAES.

  18. Yarik
    Yarik 31 December 2019 16: 06 New
    -1
    They have long been out of the market. And as far as I know, it will be gone.
    1. IL-NAVY
      IL-NAVY 1 January 2020 10: 33 New
      0
      Maybe they were just not interested in the topic?
  19. ser56
    ser56 31 December 2019 16: 25 New
    +1
    “If there is a dosimeter in every car, then with an elementary questioning of the drivers or viewing the device’s logbook, it will be possible to collect fairly accurate information about the emerging spot of radioactive contamination.
    1) it is a pity that the author is a complete ignoramus in the subject matter ... request
    2) So - for his education - most modern cars, however, as well as unprotected electronics, simply fail from EMP in a nuclear explosion ... hi
    1. wehr
      31 December 2019 16: 43 New
      -1
      Well, yes, well, yes, such a specialist came here to teach life and then immediately sat comfortably in a puddle.
      Ground and air explosions give an EMP radius of approximately the same as a shock wave propagation zone. laughing
      How does the Earth carry you like that?
      1. ser56
        ser56 2 January 2020 17: 51 New
        +3
        Quote: wehr
        such a special came here

        I'm an engineer-physicist, and who are you? bully What money did you get for advertising dosimeters? what
        Quote: wehr
        Ground and air explosions give EMR

        I understand that you don’t know anything about the tactics of using nuclear weapons ... bully Well, dig into the sandbox ...
        Quote: wehr
        How does the Earth carry you like that?

        fun when the illiterate have the audacity to teach ... hi
        read at your leisure - what are the r / a isotopes, which r / a pollution is the most dangerous for the body, then look WHAT your dosimeters register - then under the table ... hi
        1. wehr
          2 January 2020 17: 56 New
          0
          How do you prove that you are a physical engineer?
          I should not believe the word brow under an unspoken nickname.
          1. ser56
            ser56 2 January 2020 18: 33 New
            +5


            waiting for your ....
            By the way, is your nickname your last name? bully
            1. wehr
              2 January 2020 20: 42 New
              0
              No. I am the author of the article.
              1. ser56
                ser56 4 January 2020 17: 22 New
                +2
                Quote: wehr
                No. I am the author of the article.

                Yes, I guessed .... a scan of the diploma will be?
                1. wehr
                  4 January 2020 21: 38 New
                  -5
                  No.
                  I have self-esteem so as not to shake this kind of help on every corner.
                  1. ser56
                    ser56 6 January 2020 17: 50 New
                    +1
                    Quote: wehr
                    I have self-esteem so as not to shake this kind of help on every corner.

                    I doubt it deeply, otherwise you would not require other evidence like bully
                    Quote: wehr
                    How do you prove that you are a physical engineer?

                    I brought you, in response you did not apologize for the collision! Conclusion you are illiterate and not polite layman hi
                    1. wehr
                      6 January 2020 19: 54 New
                      -1
                      Well, you just have nothing to say on the merits of the issue; which you proved shocking with your help. laughing
                      1. ser56
                        ser56 7 January 2020 15: 27 New
                        0
                        Quote: wehr
                        Well, you just have nothing to say on the merits of the issue;

                        I spoke out, but you, due to illiteracy in the matter, did not understand - I see no reason to repeat ...
                        Quote: wehr
                        shock by your help.

                        1) this is not a certificate, but a diploma of an engineer-physicist, and it was precisely by dosimetry that you did not even understand this, layman! bully
                        2) the evidence that I am a physical engineer was requested by you - I provided them. In response, I see inferiority complexes from a layman - the question arises - why was they asked to prove something? request Just understand - I am responsible for my words like a pro, but you are not, and even prone to tantrums ... bully
                        3) Communicating with you is more humiliating for me ... hi
                      2. wehr
                        7 January 2020 16: 44 New
                        0
                        I looked at your first comment. Let me remind you that you said something stupid there, supposedly EMR will disable all the electronics of cars. I pointed it out to you, but you were offended and climbed for your help. In this context, this is precisely a reference of the type: "This Provider must be considered smart." You do not have actual knowledge (or you forgot them).
                        That’s the whole story of the conversation.

                        On the merits of the question:
                        1. EMP in ground and air explosions has a radius of approximately the radius of the shock wave, that is, (I’m blowing it up for the reference provider) it does not matter what destroys the car: EMP or shock wave, or light radiation.
                        2. There will be a lot of intact and serviceable cars that were far beyond the zone of destruction of nuclear explosions. If they are equipped with dosimeters, the task of determining the zones of infection is solved relatively easily and quickly.
                      3. ser56
                        ser56 7 January 2020 18: 08 New
                        0
                        Quote: wehr
                        Let me remind you that you said stupidity there, supposedly EMP will disable all the electronics of cars

                        stupidity is only for you .... bully standard use of nuclear weapons involves a high-altitude explosion Mt BP hi
                        Quote: wehr
                        You were offended and climbed for your help

                        1) It's not good to lie - you demanded a certificate - I provided .... hi
                        2) before that, you still deigned to be rude like:
                        Quote: wehr
                        How does the Earth carry you like that?

                        Quote: wehr
                        You do not have actual knowledge (or you forgot them).

                        that you are a clown - I already understood ... bully
                        Quote: wehr
                        EMP in ground and air explosions

                        “A high-altitude explosion, in its manifestations, occupies an intermediate position between the air and space. As in an air explosion, a shock wave is formed, but so insignificant that it cannot serve as a damaging factor, at an altitude of 60-80 km, no more than 5% of the energy goes to it. As with the cosmic light flash is fleeting, but much brighter and more dangerous; up to 60-70% of the explosion energy is spent on light radiation. The electromagnetic pulse of parameters hazardous to radio engineering in a high-altitude explosion can spread over hundreds of kilometersat" hi

                        Quote: wehr
                        If they are equipped with dosimeters, the task of determining the zones of infection is solved relatively easily and quickly.

                        1) What nonsense is it ... for analysis of the situation after the use of nuclear weapons there has long been a calculation program - previously there were nomograms, now computer ...
                        2) You are a layman, but with an ambition for invention ... bully
                      4. wehr
                        7 January 2020 22: 50 New
                        0
                        You could prove your qualifications with something else, such as meaningful commentary. But you immediately began to shake the certificate, which perfectly characterizes you. laughing
                        Only a very stupid person crawls for this help.

                        If a person is stupid, then in everything. So they remembered about high-altitude explosions. All this is wonderful, only in the published plans for nuclear war there are none, and it is not known whether there are any new plans. That is, from a purely factual point of view, you cannot say that such high-altitude nuclear explosions will be carried out. If you introduce such an assumption, then you must prove it with something, or, without proof, it will be empty talk about spheroconic in a vacuum.
                        In addition, as far as I know, there have been no targeted tests on the topic of the defeat of EMR equipment on such a large area.
                        Moreover, as a physicist, you would have to doubt the realism of all this; because you are well aware that in the atmosphere any radiation loses power in proportion to the distance.

                        Nomograms are a makeshift method when there is nothing else. And they do not solve the problems of military-economic use of the infected territories. Military, I emphasize for the owner of the certificate. For the correct use of the territory and all objects on it, you need to know exactly the level of radiation. Since there will be many (several hundred) such zones in a large-scale nuclear war, their area is large, the borders are whimsical, and the number of important objects is measured in tens of thousands, then there is no way to do without a large supply of dosimeters.
                      5. ser56
                        ser56 9 January 2020 13: 51 New
                        0
                        Quote: wehr
                        Only a very stupid person crawls for this help.

                        1) I have kindly fulfilled your request!
                        2) However, you showed that you are not just an ignoramus, but also an extremely decent person ... I won’t say more precisely - they will banned ... bully
                        3) Your complexes to my diploma is that I have it, but you don’t ... hi
                        Quote: wehr
                        e.g. meaningful comment

                        I already wrote it earlier and recommended that you re-read and understand it - however, you are simply not capable of this due to profanity ... request It is useless to prove something to the layman - and this is clearly seen in your example ... bully
                        Quote: wehr
                        only now in the published nuclear war plans

                        you are funny in your amateurism ... hi
                        Quote: wehr
                        You cannot say that such high-altitude nuclear explosions will be carried out.

                        there are many fools in Russia, but when the ignoramuses begin to reason .... bully
                        Quote: wehr
                        on the topic of the defeat of EMI technology on such a large area.

                        I will say this - I was (absolutely legal hi ) at the Pulse Power Department SNL stands, on which samples of equipment were tested, for example, the Abrams tank repeat , on resistance to EMP and gamma-pulse ... Poor Americans, they did not read you and your thoughts on this subject ...
                        Quote: wehr
                        like a physicist

                        I’m a physical engineer, these are different concepts, I’m not a physics teacher at school ... bully
                        Quote: wehr
                        loses power in proportion to distance.

                        squared, profane ... hi however, you do not understand the physics of the generation of electromagnetic radiation in the upper atmosphere ... hi
                        Quote: wehr
                        Nomograms are a makeshift method when there is nothing else.

                        1) you are a layman!
                        2) the word "artisanal" means: "CUSTOM FIRST, 1st, 2st. XNUMX. to Handicraft. K. craft. Kth workshop. // Produced by manual, non-factory method. Kth products. XNUMX. Imperfect, primitive . <Handicraft, adv. "
                        I draw your attention to the fact that calculation by nomograms is a professional way of engineers with sufficient accuracy to solve most engineering problems! hi
                        Quote: wehr
                        Military-economic, I emphasize for the owner of the certificate.

                        Your aplomb is ridiculous in its stupidity - for military and economic purposes, such a calculation is more than enough! I will say this - you were not forced to calculate the dose of personnel during the organization of the march after a nuclear strike ... but I was taught and forced bully
                        Quote: wehr
                        about without a large supply of dosimeters here can not do.

                        1) The banal question for the layman is where do you get the fuel for the car, even those who survived, how do you organize the connection between the volunteers and why you won’t be sent to the intelligence agencies in the interests of the enemy ... bully
                        2) And for the leadership of the country / region / territory, these issues will be decided by the Civil Defense Headquarters, for the Moscow Region there are RBHZ troops ... hi

                        A layman with ambition is worse than a fool ... hi
                      6. wehr
                        9 January 2020 22: 35 New
                        0
                        And what, did your sacred knowledge help you? You constantly poke "profane", "profane", so you think that your knowledge is sacred. laughing
                        Where is your country - the USSR? Where? A carrier of sacred knowledge?
                        There is no your country, its army and navy, and you with all your sacred knowledge could not save it.
                        You decided to gain a foothold, instead of discussing the matter on the merits, you will get it. What did you do in August 1991 to defend Soviet power and the CPSU?
                        If nothing, you sit out in the bushes, remain silent, then you are a vile traitor who does not have any right to teach anything.
                      7. ser56
                        ser56 10 January 2020 11: 12 New
                        -1
                        Quote: wehr
                        And what, did your sacred knowledge help you?

                        I don’t have these, I'm just an engineer, not a minister of worship ... hi
                        Quote: wehr
                        You constantly poke "layman", "layman",

                        this is a statement of your status in dosimetry, not more request
                        Quote: wehr
                        Where is your country - the USSR? Where?

                        in history request
                        Quote: wehr
                        There is no your country, its army and navy, and you with all your sacred knowledge could not save it.

                        but I didn’t try - to put it mildly, the country was not necessary for the Russians! hi
                        Quote: wehr
                        What did you do in August 1991 to defend Soviet power and the CPSU?

                        NOTHING! hi
                        Quote: wehr
                        then you are a vile traitor who does not have any right to teach anything.

                        Russophobe mug climbed bully
                        I am satisfied! wink
  • opus
    opus 31 December 2019 18: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: Dmitry Verkhoturov
    Nuclear war. Dosimeter - to each!

    mmm ... again he will write that he is "envied"
    1. I am "behind" the arms and legs, I have
    2.but this will never happen:

    - the government does not need every deer-electorate to be able to determine WHERE the radioactive waste has been dumped
    I will explain:
    2.1. Cosmic ray contribution = dose rate from the latter at sea level is about 3,5 μR / h, almost no instrument sees them (the approximate expected count rate from cosmic rays with a horizontal crystal is 4 imp / min, while the count rate is from the natural background is approximately 600 cpm). Fundamentally, this does not change anything, and the level of cosmic radiation is the same everywhere (except for deep underground stations) and almost does not change in time. If there is
    desire, the author can add 3,5 μR / h to all numbers.
    Pushkino - near the Ucha river and the Uchinsky reservoir
    The average value was 6,4 μR / h with variations from point to point in the range from 4,5 to 10 μR / h. Also found a "hot spot" with a dose rate of 15-18 μR / h without any visual signs

    The highest levels were observed on the stairs in Moscow. The characteristic level in these places is 25-35, sometimes up to 40 μR / h. This level was found on the steps of the institute (GEOKHI RAS), the steps at the entrance to the Vorobyovy Gory metro and the stairs leading to ul. Kosygin, on the stairs leading from the Yaroslavl lobby of the station. Komsomolskaya on the Komsomolskaya-Radial platform, underpass stairs under the Pushkino station. Higher levels are found in the underpass from the area of ​​the Kursk station on the street. Zemlyanoy Val opposite the exits from the Kurskaya-Koltsevaya and Kurskaya-NPS subways. In this transition, the dose rate exceeds 50 μR / h and the highest levels again on the stairs.

    1,970 μSv - dose received in nature (in terms of day)
    2,873 μSv - the dose per day of the day off spent entirely in Pushkino, of which 9 hours were at home, 2 hours in the city, the rest in nature (forest, beach).
    3,289 μSv - dose per day of the working day, conducted in the regime of - 9 hours at home, hour (total) on the street of Pushkino, 2 hours (total) in electric train, hour (total) in the metro, the rest - in Moscow (work, rehearsal base, shops, street).


    If you go over Peter, especially in the "depository" of especially hazardous waste, you can even go nuts
    About Chelyabinsk, and satellite cities, Nenoks is silent
    2.2. How to deal with the vigilant FSB, Having received the data of the radiation component of the 9th SNF storage facility, ammunition, accidental releases) and publishing them, you can quite realistically get an article and a deadline, the bunks here shine with anyone who has a dosimeter and a brain.
    Igor Sutyagin sentenced to 15 years in camp - FSB lieutenant colonel says this is a “warning”


    there are a lot of such cases.
    3. Giving dosimeters to the entire electorate is the same as giving the whole electrostate the right to carry (free), own short-barreled weapons, or just weapons.
    It is of course about adequate citizens
    1. wehr
      31 December 2019 18: 46 New
      -1
      I would advise you to bring your position to its logical end: to flood the fleet, dissolve the army and agree in advance to unconditional surrender. laughing
      If the dosimeter isn’t possible, the gun isn’t possible, then, if necessary, provide us with at least a “POW Memo”?
      1. opus
        opus 31 December 2019 20: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: wehr
        I would advise you

        rephrase
        I don’t have to advise, and I won’t tell you where to go

        Quote: wehr
        and agree in advance to unconditional surrender.

        fool
        where is the dog from?
        / PS. You see about manure / urea / transcribed or thought a lot about it.
        Quote: wehr
        If the dosimeter isn’t possible, the gun isn’t possible, then, if necessary, provide us with at least a “POW Memo”?

        - the dosimeter is impossible and you don’t get it “for like that”, it’s
        Quote: Dmitry Verkhoturov
        Nuclear war. Dosimeter - to each!

        “wet” fantasies, if you weren’t him, but she, I would call these fantasies PMS
        -and our electorate will not get weapons, not Switzerland tea and not the USA, and not even Germany
        Quote: wehr
        equip us if necessary with at least a “Prisoner of War Memorial”?

        belay
        I?
        why me? and why do you need it?
        You will need it more
        The following instructions are available for security teams:

        1. The application of the most stringent measures in the manifestation of the slightest signs of resistance and disobedience! To suppress resistance mercilessly use weapons. At prisoners of war trying to escape, immediately shoot (without shouting), trying to get into them.
        2. Any conversations with prisoners of war, including on the way to the place of work and back, are strictly prohibited, with the exception of absolutely necessary official instructions. It is strictly forbidden to smoke on the way to the place of work and back, as well as during work. All conversations of prisoners of war with civilians should be impeded; if necessary, weapons should be used - also against civilians.
        3. The place of work also requires constant close supervision by the German security teams. Each guard should always be at such a distance from prisoners of war that he could immediately use his weapons at any time. Never turn your back on a prisoner of war!
        In relation to hardworking and obedient prisoners of war, the manifestation of gentleness is also inappropriate. They see this as a manifestation of weakness and draw appropriate conclusions from it.
        4. With all the severity and firmness that should accompany the unconditional execution of orders given, there should be no arbitrariness or ill-treatment of prisoners of war by German soldiers, sticks, whips, etc. should not be used. Such behavior would be contrary to the dignity of a German soldier as squire of the nation.
        5. The alleged harmlessness of Bolshevik prisoners of war should never lead to a deviation from the above instructions.
        .

        because as my life experience says:
        “whoever whistles more about it hurts”, differentiating into a language that you understand:
        on the thief and the hat is on
        1. wehr
          31 December 2019 20: 29 New
          -1
          Reading you, I recall a famous place from Purgatory: "The Ministry of Defense. The cargo is three hundred. The circulation is three thousand copies. Three thousand trucks with corpses, that’s all that your Ministry of Defense has prepared for the war."
          I quote from memory.
          1. opus
            opus 31 December 2019 20: 45 New
            +2
            Quote: wehr
            Reading you, I recall a famous place from Purgatory:

            do not read Tarmashev, all the more, this is not an ice of all his works.
            / I prefer the Enclaves, and they are closer to reality.
            Quote: wehr
            I quote from memory.

            1.this is a lie
            2.a reading you, well, for the sake of jokes, we get a good New Year mood.
            3. Verkhoturov,

            or whatever you like, react more calmly to comments / criticisms / posts ...
            PS Happy New Year to you! If you insulted with something, do not be offended, do not be evil
            You write for this? (for "opinions") or read the editor-in-chief Topvar
            Dude Manifesto
            https://olegchuvakin.ru/chuvakin-manifesto

            her "bo" [b] it calms and relaxes / b]
            my kutsee deer opinion: you read the "results of the week", "project 33", and for a long, long time you heard this character

            / if you are in the photo, then even with a trip, with a probability of 80% /
            Looking hot?
            1. wehr
              31 December 2019 20: 58 New
              -1
              This is from the movie. You must know him.

              Of course, you were mistaken in everything. I haven’t been watching TV for almost 20 years, and I have never watched this character. I have other interests and a different reading.
              1. opus
                opus 31 December 2019 21: 15 New
                +2
                Quote: wehr
                This is from the movie. You must know him

                I’m watching a little TV

                / lack of taste, yes, I agree /
                Quote: wehr
                Of course, you were mistaken in everything.

                Glory to the Lord !!!

                You pleased me, I’ll go "pump up"
                1. wehr
                  31 December 2019 21: 18 New
                  0
                  And more!
          2. IL-NAVY
            IL-NAVY 1 January 2020 10: 35 New
            0
            There were 200. laughing
            300 are wounded.
    2. Anton Yu
      Anton Yu 1 January 2020 10: 07 New
      +2
      I don’t know how it is in Moscow, but Elektrostal has its own mini Chernobyl. There at the EZTM plant in 2013 the source of cesium-137 was melted. The background on the territory of the plant is 50-158 μR / h, at the bronze foundry up to 6800 μR / h.
    3. Jager
      Jager 6 January 2020 17: 10 New
      0
      Maps, information about burial sites, pollution points - all this is on the Web. Of course, a lot of what is not and will not be. But!
      A dosimeter is a very useful thing. Everyone in the garage has some old pieces of iron that can accidentally fonit. Or a piece of reinforcement or some kind of pipe in the country, driven in as a fence post 30 years ago ... Yes, it’s elementary - check the background of the house.
      For example, our garden partnership is located on the site of a former landfill. And no one is safe that digging a bed for cucumbers, you won’t get any rubbish upstairs.
  • ycuce234-san
    ycuce234-san 31 December 2019 19: 30 New
    +2
    "There are almost 52 million cars in Russia."
    Firstly, these are mainly old cars - that is, even without glonasses and, of course, dosimeters.
    Secondly, it’s scary to imagine how 52 million car owners will be “delighted” to learn that they urgently need to spend 22 thousand rubles. to such a device they need.
    Thirdly, the entire fleet of the country is not needed to build a reliable picture - data is needed only from individual, most intensively and variably moving transport units. These include city police and ambulance equipment, rescue services, urban transport and utilities and construction companies, cargo and passenger taxis. For intercity - transport of trucking companies, water and railway transport, aircraft, machinery of leshozes and collective farms. With all their owners, during the implementation of the monitoring program, the issue of the placement of devices can be resolved within the framework of ordinary commercial contracts - therefore, such a program has realistic implementation only in the form of standardized automatic and Internet-connected devices tightly mounted to a communal tractor, police car, tram and minibus, etc., but not to personal transport.
    Fourth - “the TV suddenly suddenly wheezed and a red light blinked” - maximum, built-in dosimeters can have separate large city information and advertising panels. It is useful to have dosimeters on water supply and sewer networks and, of course, in storm sewers, coupled with samplers automatically triggered when the norms are exceeded - after all, water is everywhere, in any click in a big city and carries a lot of information about the radiation situation.

    Having a surveillance system based on communal systems, selected transport units and tractors and special equipment and stationary posts, everything else can be safely classified as a pleasantly tickling nerves of "atomic fiction" in which such wonders of household appliances as apartment television dosimeters with a common roof sensor will find themselves perfectly -antennas and home weather radios with a forecast of radioactive fallout and, home dosimetric water meters and instrument scales on a dashboard of a car, and even, for example, a modified speedometer, with a separate arrow indicating the minimum speed necessary to safely overcome the pollution zone smile .
  • alsoclean
    alsoclean 31 December 2019 20: 23 New
    +3
    The ISS is a good thing. The rest .... even the language does not dare to call slag. But ... if the author wants to say something - let him explain why he likes SBMki or BETA? Why do scintillation sensors respond faster? How is he going to measure with DOMESTIC dosimeters where P or tens of P will be during the attack? Despite the fact that the ISS has up to 2R / h, the Radioscan701 (by the way, where is it?) Is up to 1 R / h. Unfortunately, cheap and household at hour X will not help. And dear ???? Let everyone decide for himself!
    Happy New Year, everyone! All the rays of good !!!!!!!

    That's what can come in handy if that is DP-22V
    1. wehr
      31 December 2019 20: 37 New
      -2
      1. Compact in size and light in weight to make it easier to carry. You will not constantly carry a large and heavy box with you.
      2. Why with you? Because these are personal "eyes" that see radiation. So that it doesn’t happen that you scored a dose, waiting for your uncle to tell you.
      3. The measurement threshold is not so critical. If your device has stopped measuring (read off scale), then it follows that you need to fade out of this place as soon as possible.
      1. IL-NAVY
        IL-NAVY 1 January 2020 10: 44 New
        +1
        to make it easier to carry
        Yes, everything was invented and done long ago, even after the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. Like a keychain, he began to squeak, run away from there.
        1. wehr
          1 January 2020 14: 35 New
          0
          There are a lot of good ideas. But such a keychain is available, and even more so in sufficient quantities, is not available.
      2. alsoclean
        alsoclean 2 January 2020 00: 04 New
        0
        Quote: wehr
        If your device has stopped measuring (read off scale), then it follows that you need to fade out of this place as soon as possible.

        Shed? And where to...? Does the device not work? There where there is absolutely everything! Death! Or where is the chance? And how many caught? In the Achtung? But then they will treat you and there infa is very very useful! And your ISS or Radioscan will not tell you anything - for it died dead on time!
        Quote: wehr
        Compact size and light weight to make it easier to carry. You will not constantly carry a large and heavy box with you.

        If you want to live, take it! this time. And two - in a drawer there are such small handles DKP-50A, so wear them! Up to 50P catch. Weigh 35g each. Enough and one. Do not overdo it))))
        1. wehr
          2 January 2020 00: 11 New
          -1
          In the absence of brains, you can die with any dosimeter.
          If the dosimeter is off-scale in motion, then you need to go to where it worked. If it shuts down suddenly (which may indicate radioactive fallout or dust), then you need to go across the direction of the wind.
          These are self-evident things.
    2. IL-NAVY
      IL-NAVY 31 December 2019 22: 37 New
      0
      It has long been an electronic medium.

      After the DP-22 was already ID-1.
    3. Anton Yu
      Anton Yu 1 January 2020 10: 15 New
      +1
      Household dosimeters cannot be said to be completely unnecessary, there is little sense from them. Not everyone measures radiation, the measurement accuracy is low (15-30% burial). Yes, and many do not know that the dosimeter should undergo annual verification.
    4. IL-NAVY
      IL-NAVY 1 January 2020 10: 49 New
      +1
      DP-22 need to have batteries that the industry has not produced for a long time. Therefore, they came up with ID-1 during the USSR. There is a mirror for lighting and rotation, charging and zeroing the readings. Unlike the old one, with batteries.
      Although, of course, all this is ancient antiquity.

      1. alsoclean
        alsoclean 2 January 2020 00: 08 New
        0
        Quote: IL-NAVY
        DP-22 need to have batteries that the industry has not produced for a long time.

        Quote from the description of the device: "The ZD-5 charger contains two 145U power sources (replaced by any 1,5 V batteries), electric circuits for generating a constant voltage of 250 V, a variable resistor for setting the voltage required for the dosimeter and a charging socket. "
    5. Foundling
      Foundling 5 January 2020 12: 01 New
      0
      The indicator will not interfere accurately, but the dosimeter-radiometer on the SBT-10 is clearly not harmful. At least check what you are going to bite. I would not consider dosimeters on SBM-20
  • IL-NAVY
    IL-NAVY 31 December 2019 22: 31 New
    +2
    is the mass production of dosimeters, radiometers and other devices
    But it seems to me:
    The first one. Availability of shelters for the population in the necessary volumes.
    The second is the policy of a country that will not allow (minimize) the possibility of a nuclear conflict.
    Third, the author confuses the X-ray dosimeter and the household appliance.
    The author does not hurt to find the closest refuge to his house and inquire about the terms of the HLF. Which is the guarantee of 20 years. And when they were changed. belay
    If you have a dosimeter ... well, you will die knowing the dose.
    1. wehr
      1 January 2020 02: 15 New
      -1
      The issue of shelters and whether they will save, I considered in a separate article
      https://topwar.ru/147089-bespoleznaja-grazhdanskaja-oborona.html
      Short:
      1. You will receive a warning signal 9 minutes after a nuclear explosion.
      2. There is a much greater chance of dying in a stampede in a crowd of those fleeing than from a nuclear explosion itself.
      1. IL-NAVY
        IL-NAVY 1 January 2020 03: 08 New
        +3
        People need to be given an opportunity. Crush or not, they themselves decide, this is the matter of the police.
        FROM THE MOST NUCLEAR EXPLOSION ... dies more from consequences and unpreparedness.
        Why 9 minutes? What is the warning system? Sirens? Auto redial?
        These are all words. Which categories will be notified first?
        Nuclear strikes are being made ... however, everything is on the network. What and how and where.
        In the GO system, not stupid people worked. Shelters will save. The question is their readiness and preparation of the population .. I worked in this system, what and how I represent.
        I believe that you are misleading readers.
        1. wehr
          1 January 2020 03: 14 New
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          Read the article by reference. There are answers to all your questions.
          1. IL-NAVY
            IL-NAVY 1 January 2020 08: 25 New
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            Yes there are no answers there. wink
            flight time of intercontinental ballistic missile
            For what purpose? If you live near, for example, Engels ... then you will definitely be covered and these recommendations are not needed. If everything is well written in the regional center. The Kaliningr Region will not attack the ICBMs at all. Tactical weapons are alright.
            There are many textbooks, and almost all have been written off from the manuals of the USSR.
            9 minutes alert is your fantasy. Depends on the region. If the explosion is far away, you are only threatened by the infection of the area.
            only a few shelters are kept on standby
            Threatened period. Try to put into action and re-preserve. Do you understand the difference between shelter and shelter?
            Although I agree, large cities and people near hydroelectric power stations, warehouses of the State Reserve and military bases are doomed.
            If you are sick, write your manual, we will discuss.
            1. IL-NAVY
              IL-NAVY 1 January 2020 10: 40 New
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              Naryl, somehow checking the shelter of the mine administration. Money is allocated, the state of norms. FVU boxes require replacement, however, as elsewhere.

              1. Vinnibuh
                Vinnibuh 2 January 2020 21: 12 New
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                My friend, the devil knows where you found such a bunker, but we have a full out in our Volga region. He climbed with friends.
                1. Vinnibuh
                  Vinnibuh 2 January 2020 21: 57 New
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                  With all due respect to you, do you even believe in yourself? What the hell are warning systems, what are the ways to save the population ?, I am 79 years old, did we even have life safety and we scored schoolchildren back then, and now?
                2. VALENTIN-37
                  VALENTIN-37 9 January 2020 14: 57 New
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                  Mine Management.
                  And at the sewage treatment plants in every district of the city, norms. shelters. Well there are small, for 100-150 people. This is where the water is chlorinated.
                  A factory, of course, has long been in the trash.
            2. wehr
              1 January 2020 14: 48 New
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              You have not read the article. There is a calculation, based on the readiness of the Russian warning system, at what time it can work or should work. 9 minutes - this is after the explosion, and about 20 minutes are given for alerting.
  • kuz363
    kuz363 1 January 2020 13: 37 New
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    It is unlikely that dosimeters will help with a nuclear war. But with a peaceful life - yes. Especially if you drag home all the necessary pieces of iron from the street, or especially from enterprises. It is quite possible to run into radioactivity.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 1 January 2020 14: 55 New
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    EMP and dosimeters. Question amateur - will work after the explosion?
    1. Vinnibuh
      Vinnibuh 2 January 2020 21: 08 New
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      Will be, but the meaning is already?
  • Doliva63
    Doliva63 1 January 2020 15: 47 New
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    “If the USSR was seriously preparing for a nuclear war, and not depicting readiness for it in words, then the dosimeters would be built into televisions, radio sets, radios, radio points. It could be a very simple device that would include an“ ugly ”warning wheezing and blinking of a light bulb at a dangerous level of radiation (say, 0,5 X-ray per hour). And the instructions would say that if your TV suddenly wheezed suddenly and a red light blinked, you need to urgently call the police and report it. "
    What the author "smokes", interesting? It seems to me that in the event of a "nuclear war", a rocket will fly in at first and abound, and then radiation will appear. After that, according to the author, did Soviet citizens have to urgently call the police? New Year's joke of humor, adit? And in the USSR they were preparing for such a war: in the event of a nuclear missile threat, the population would be notified, “driven” to shelters, where each would receive an individual dosimeter so that everyone could monitor the radiation situation both in the shelter and then after leaving it. We had such classes until the mid-70s regularly. No need to "drive" to the USSR!
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    1. wehr
      2 January 2020 21: 11 New
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      Most of the country's population will not even see any traces, no explosion, no mushroom. They will be just too far. The mushroom is visible from a distance of about 18 km, at this distance you can feel only a slight breeze from the expired shock wave.
      1. Vinnibuh
        Vinnibuh 2 January 2020 21: 18 New
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        For example, I live in Samara, a city with a million people, one of the priority goals, and it’s not strange when they hit us, I won’t see a flash either (I’ll be figuring at work, just an electrician, and then ....... hell knows .
        1. wehr
          2 January 2020 21: 25 New
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          The priority goal is a large power station. Their defeat provides maximum damage with a minimum consumption of ammunition.
          So if you work there, you have some reasons for concern.
          1. Vinnibuh
            Vinnibuh 2 January 2020 22: 03 New
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            I work in the direct line of sight of the Samara transport hub of the RJ station and I see the control) and click on them one time, and somehow I don’t care, I don’t worry) what’s destined (
            1. Vinnibuh
              Vinnibuh 2 January 2020 22: 10 New
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              Sorry, Russian Railways (tupit tel).
            2. wehr
              3 January 2020 00: 09 New
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              In blessed times, they would surely have hit, but now I don’t know. There are not so many charges. Now it’s more profitable to knock out power plants; the railway will be left without traction.
              1. Vinnibuh
                Vinnibuh 3 January 2020 00: 40 New
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                Yes, and in principle, if you click on the Togliatti Hydroelectric Power Station, many will not seem to many.
  • Kerensky
    Kerensky 3 January 2020 15: 17 New
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    Author! Not dosimeters, but a memo is needed. At least on the back of the ticket, at least receipts for utility bills. And in places where people have to wait (read out of boredom when the phone sits down). And the memo is short:
    1. Do not flush the toilet. The supply of water in the tank will last a day.
    2. Do not leave the room. Close all windows and doors, curtain windows. If possible, get together in the interior, basements.
    3. Hold out for a day. During this time, collect documents, clothes (avoid camouflage), medicines and products. Divide the cargo into two parts and for each family member. Documents and medicines in lumbar bags, the rest in backpacks (bags).
    4. Leave the city on the second day, carefully explaining to everyone (ideally in advance) where to go.
    1. Arthur 85
      Arthur 85 3 January 2020 22: 34 New
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      Documents - inside pockets. You can wrap in a film. Why avoid camouflage? It is unlikely that the enemy will appear so quickly, and their own will not be fired at everything green and incomprehensible. And do many families have a set of “lumps” for everyone?
      1. Kerensky
        Kerensky 3 January 2020 22: 55 New
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        Why avoid camouflage? It is unlikely that the enemy will appear so quickly, and their own will not be fired at everything green and incomprehensible.

        Most likely, they will “squeeze out” their good camouflage at a checkpoint. Men of draft age in camouflage can be “filtered out until clarification” along with what it carries (and this is the main part of the load). They can even get sick (these are frightened boys - conscripts). "Stopping" vehicles in camouflage will be problematic. If you want to flaunt it in camouflage, take it to the country house (village) in advance. Come - change clothes. Although I do not advise here. With UAVs, they can decide that the military settled here and gasp.
        Do not use personal transport, - get stuck in the queue at the post, then a bribe will not help, - everyone will poke. It’s easier to stop the car at the post. Do not try to take out the weapon. If you have time, hide it on the street (an abandoned industrial zone, landfill, cemetery), you will return later. Also with values ​​and remaining products. It’s easier to get back to the city (looking for relatives) and take everything out of the posts.
    2. wehr
      4 January 2020 00: 26 New
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      So I already had
      https://topwar.ru/147550-lichnoe-vyzhivanie-v-jadernoj-vojne.html

      I will not retell the article. If you want to speak, read it first.
      1. Kerensky
        Kerensky 4 January 2020 12: 32 New
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        So I already had

        I will not retell the article. If you want to speak, read it first.

        Read. Honestly, I’m not ready, in a white quilted jacket with a hood, to evaluate the shades of an explosion burst.
        Your recommendations “where to go then” do not stand the question: What to do there?
        1. wehr
          4 January 2020 21: 40 New
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          Depending on your injuries, you will still end up in one of two places: either in a hospital or in an evacuation center.
          What is there to do? Wait.
          1. Kerensky
            Kerensky 4 January 2020 21: 59 New
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            Depending on your injuries, you will still end up in one of two places: either in a hospital or in an evacuation center.

            Dmitry. Have a nice one you too!
            Most people will not be injured. Evacuation points will not be deployed in a timely manner (doubt it?). In hospitals and now they are lying in the corridors, but it will not be there for you at all. AND? Have to rely on yourself. So consider that in vain went ...

            If everything is fine, everything is assembled and know what to do, then even then it is better to leave the city on the second day.
            1. wehr
              5 January 2020 01: 01 New
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              With severe injuries, burns and wounds - a hospital without options.

              You left the city - so what? Where are you going?
              1. Kerensky
                Kerensky 5 January 2020 05: 43 New
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                You left the city - so what? Where are you going?

                For starters - not far. It is necessary to preserve the possibility of shuttle flights to the city, to obtain information, on the basis of which and make further decisions.
                So my way to horticultural partnerships surrounding the city. There I will find people, shelter, clothes and food. Good information will appear on the third or fourth day. Before that, rumors and panic ...
                1. wehr
                  6 January 2020 19: 59 New
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                  A hospital is better. Not even a wounded man. There is clean water (hospitals have their own wells), there is work: to carry the wounded and the dead, help staff, maintain an office and so on. There they will feed. There and the authorities will appear, and so on. If you grabbed a dose for radiation sickness, heal there too.
                  And in partnerships you are unlikely to be welcome, there is always a chance of falling into radioactive fallout, sipping water with it, getting on your eyes and on the sight of a patrol as a looter.
                  1. Kerensky
                    Kerensky 6 January 2020 21: 19 New
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                    Well, to each his own.
                    A hospital is better. Not even a wounded man. There is clean water (hospitals have their own wells), there is work: carry the wounded and the dead, help the staff, keep an office and so on. There they will feed. There and the authorities will appear, etc.

                    Try to get at least a glass from a well without a pump. Will the backup generator work? And if not?
                    There is always work. And the bosses will come there only to collect such "helpers" and send them to dust.
                    Fed say? Have you heard about electric stoves? What about refrigerators? In a day, water and food will end, and new ones will not be brought up.
                    1. wehr
                      6 January 2020 21: 22 New
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                      Hospitals are equipped with backup diesel generators and have a fuel supply. Or they will demand it from the military.
                      I won’t convince you. Go and rummage around SVT. Become a marauder target - this is your choice.
  • Arthur 85
    Arthur 85 3 January 2020 22: 29 New
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    Well then. As I wrote a story about the world of post-apocalypse. There, in 1% of the surviving population, the dosimeter was the second most important item, after the machine. So there should be a lot of them.
    1. Kerensky
      Kerensky 3 January 2020 23: 02 New
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      There, in 1% of the surviving population, the dosimeter was the second most important item, after the machine.

      Andrei.
      Let it remain in the story. We observe the polites - 1% of the surviving population is mainly military, their initial conditions are better.
      If you want a little more, welcome to the PM, we will not tire colleagues.
  • slowpokemonkey
    slowpokemonkey 10 March 2020 10: 11 New
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    it seems to me, not so much in war, as civilian control.
    found here on YouTube


    and I don’t have the opportunity to check, but I live not far from there.
    What if the video is true?!?
  • Vadim777
    Vadim777 29 March 2020 18: 31 New
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    I agree with the author, it is necessary to prepare, with the current attitude of the authorities towards scientists, the c700 will be a David sling, the helicopter carriers will be on a galley traction, the towed guns will be renamed sau Fri and they will be pushed by Tajiks from outsourcing, so dosimeters are becoming more relevant