Not everyone wanted to "exchange": some of the nuances of the exchange of "prisoners" between Ukraine and LDN

Interesting details are being received regarding the ongoing exchange of held persons between Ukraine and the republics of Donbass. At present, about 30 people have been transferred to Kiev, in turn, to LDNR - 63. It should be noted that the exchange according to the “120 to 80” formula continues.

The nuances of the exchange are related to the position of some Ukrainians who are on the exchange lists. Thus, the Ukrainian side reports that at least two people with Ukrainian passports, who were under investigation in the territory of the LDP, refused to return to the territory controlled by Kiev. At the same time, the Ukrainian side claims that eight people refused to be sent to LDNR.

Against this background, it is stated that all five former fighters of the Berkut special forces agreed to an exchange and are already passing through the checkpoint in the Donbass. We are talking about the ex-"Berkut" who were released today by a court decision in Kiev.

The information portal Strana.ua writes that the Brazilian citizen Rafael Lusvargi also appeared on the list for the exchange. He at one time, being a representative of the volunteer detachment of the NM DPR, ended up in Ukrainian captivity. During the exchange, he was offered to fly to his homeland - to Brazil through the Kiev Borispol airport - but Lusvargi refused. He went to Lugansk, from where, as he himself stated, he would go to the Russian Federation. For reference: Lusvargi in Ukraine was sentenced to 13 years in prison for participating in "terrorist activities." The court of the Dnipropetrovsk region decided to confiscate property from Lusvarga. At the time of the hearing, the only personal property of a Brazilian citizen was a sweatshirt.

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[Vladimir_2U]

Brazilian citizen Rafael Lusvargi. He at one time, being the representative of the volunteer detachment of the NM DPR, ended up in Ukrainian captivity. During exchange, he was offered to fly to his homeland - to Brazil via Kiev Borispol Airport, but Lusvargi refused Maybe because he refused, because serious persecution began against communists and socialists in Brazil?

[Dmitry Donskoy]

Most importantly, people from prisons will return home.

[Dmitry Gundorov]

No, nobody just needs such idiots

[Vladimir_2U]

Well, yes, yes, in your opinion it turns out that Hemengway, for example, had thousands of other anti-fascists in Spain.

[georggy]

Read what the anti-fascist Hemengway was doing as an anti-fascist in his books - it is hopeless drunkenness and fornication.

[Vladimir_2U]

"The Old Man and the Sea" is just a poem dedicated to drunkenness and fornication, yes!

[georggy]

Yes Yes Yes. Post.

[carstorm 11]

everything is simpler. they slap an article at once and put him in prison. great stupidity from under charges of terrorism and landing under this article to return to their homeland. first you need to wash it off.

[Chaldon48]

He will receive a Russian passport and how Depardieu lowers to Europe.

[den3080]

Quote: Chaldon48

He will receive a Russian passport and how Depardieu lowers to Europe.

You have a misconception about Brazilians and Europe :))
Brazilians need visas to visit European countries.

[Private-K]

Check out the English wiki about Lusvarga. A very interesting character. And he served in the French Foreign Legion (and in a parachute regiment), and he served in the Brazilian military police, and studied medical at the University of Kursk ... And in general, ethnic Hungarian ...

[Atlant-1164]

I didn’t understand .. they confiscated property from Lusvarga, in the form of his sweatshirt ??)

[Terenin]

Quote: Atlant-1164

I didn’t understand .. they confiscated property from Lusvarga, in the form of his sweatshirt ??)

Really not clear Why forcibly seize a worn jacket in state ownership (Ukrainian income)?
And, we wonder why the national battalions do not shun anything, taking everything out of the destroyed and abandoned dwellings ...

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Atlant-1164

I didn’t understand .. they confiscated property from Lusvarga, in the form of his sweatshirt ??)

And where is your interest here ... Need a sweatshirt? Chi sho ....?

[Terenin]

Quote: 30 vis

Quote: Atlant-1164

I didn’t understand .. they confiscated property from Lusvarga, in the form of his sweatshirt ??)

And where is your interest here ... Need a sweatshirt? Chi sho ....?

And what does "chi sho ..." have to do with this? Atlant wants to understand the logic of confiscating personal clothing !!!
It seems that the topic is some okraintsy ..., for any question, "chi sho"

[Xnumx vis]

Thank God And Russia is a former "Ukrainian" --- Sevastopol. I just didn’t understand the interest in the unfortunate sweatshirt of Lusvarga ... And the svidiks, they will tear off both the skin and the sweatshirt ... Here, you and " chi sho ! "There is also an interesting - funny expression from our smaller brothers ... -" look, that chitochi "What does it mean ..." Dear viewers and readers "!! This is so to cheer up!

[volodimer]

And suddenly, in a sweatshirt, the map-path to Eldorado is sewn up .... and this is one step to the happiness of an independent ...

[Private-K]

The Law of Ukraine on Bailiffs prohibits the seizure of wearable items. So, the Brazilian will have a sweatshirt.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Private-K

The Law of Ukraine on Bailiffs prohibits the seizure of wearable items. So, the Brazilian will have a sweatshirt.

And sho there are laws on ukraine soap? "3. 5 years I had to be a citizen of ukraine soaps ... ... I am reporting laws on ukraINit soaps NO! .. Pardon has one .. .- "Will you give me mini pennies? Give me mini pennies!" And the issue is resolved ....

[ximkim]

Yes .. nuances.

[The leader of the Redskins]

As it is not evenly, while it turns out ... And not in the direction of the LDNR, may the rest of the readers forgive me. Or from Luhansk to the exchange point further than from Kiev? And the percentage of "defectors" is different ...

[svp67]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Somehow not evenly, while it turns out ...

So the territories occupied by opponents are different. Now they are trying to apply the principle of "all for all", but they carry it out in stages, after specifying and agreeing on the lists

[The leader of the Redskins]

I'm talking about those that have already been exchanged!

[svp67]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I'm talking about those that have already been exchanged!

And that the size of the occupied territories has changed since then? From the Ukrainian side, people are transported for exchange from all over the territory, not everyone there fought with weapons in their hands against the current "Vlada" on the front line, there are simply "political" or "terrorists" or "bandits", my friend did not live to see the exchange, died of hunger, during a voluntary hunger strike ... he was held in a pre-trial detention center for three years, but they could not prove guilt in "banditry", although everyone knew that he was simply avenged for his political position in 2013-14

[tihonmarine]

Quote: svp67

my friend did not live up to the exchange, he died of hunger, during a voluntary hunger strike ... they were kept in a pre-trial detention center for three years, but they could not prove guilt in "banditry", although everyone knew that he was simply avenged for his political position in 2014 -15 year

Not disguised fascism. Muller and his companions prostitutes.

[svp67]

Quote: tihonmarine

Not disguised fascism. Muller and his companions prostitutes.

This is a war, a CIVIL war.

[Maz]

What kind of civilian is she? This is a US war against everyone. if they fought on their territory ... then it would be more honest

[cost]

Exchange is good. But apparently not for everyone - now the sofa minikiborgs from the Square will start making comments on the principle of all for all "

[Piramidon]

Quote: svp67

So the territories occupied by opponents are different

What does the territory have to do with it? Svidomo catch dissatisfied with their regime throughout Ukraine and include in the lists for exchange. And LDNR really only captive banderlog.

[svp67]

Quote: Piramidon

What does the territory have to do with it?

You yourself answered your own question. On what territory can you "catch" more

[asv363]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Somehow not evenly, while it turns out ...

60 people returned to the DPR, 52 to Ukraine from the DPR.
63 people returned to the LPR, 25 to Ukraine from the LPR.
The People's Republics announced that the exchange was completed. What's the question?

[businessv]

Against this background, it is stated that all five former fighters of the Berkut special forces agreed to an exchange and are already passing through the checkpoint in the Donbass.

This is very good, otherwise Natsik found the extreme ones! With the return of all the guys!

[alavrin]

Not everyone else. 160 people can not find.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: alavrin

Not everyone else. 160 people can not find.

Eternal memory to them.

[Tuzik]

"All five former fighters of the special forces" Berkut "agreed to exchange and are already passing through the checkpoint in Donbass. We are talking about the ex-" Berkut "soldiers who were released today by a court decision in Kiev."

Do not understand. If they are free, how sideways is the exchange for them? After all, a free man himself can go anywhere.

[svp67]

Quote: Tuzik

If they are free, how sideways is the exchange for them?

The criminal cases have not been terminated; they are simply released from the pre-trial detention center. Once again, the Ukrainian authorities act, as it were, to put it mildly ... well, not gentlemanly

[Tuk77]

Do not focus on this.
For the question may arise: have we stopped criminal cases against Ukrainian sailors?
And then the next question will arise about gentlemenhood.

[svp67]

Quote: Tuk77

For the question may arise: have we stopped criminal cases against Ukrainian sailors?
And then the next question will arise about gentlemenhood.

But now the conversation is not about the exchange between Ukraine and Russia, but the intra-state conflict. And Ukraine adheres to this practice from the very beginning of such exchanges.
In the situation with "Berkut" in general, complete cynicism. Olena Lukash at the court hearing, in defense of these guys, clearly stated and proved that the law adopted by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, signed by the President, at that time it was Poroshenko, does not distinguish between the parties to the conflict, during the events on the Maidan and pardons everyone ... What caused a kind of "stupor" among the judges ... When you write laws, you have to be careful in the wording, but it turns out that for five years people were imprisoned LEGALLY. And nevertheless, the criminal cases have not been closed

[carstorm 11]

you do not compare warm with soft. they were humanely treated with these sailors because crossing the border of a foreign state on warships ended for them. in any other country, such handsome men did not start criminal cases in view of their rest at the bottom. so there is no need to argue about gentlemen. not that level.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: svp67

. well not gentlemanly

In Ukraine ? And the gentlemen. This is already a fake.

[Tuzik]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Tuzik

If they are free, how sideways is the exchange for them?

The criminal cases have not been terminated; they are simply released from the pre-trial detention center. Once again, the Ukrainian authorities act, as it were, to put it mildly ... well, not gentlemanly

That is, you assume that they were released but forbidden to leave the city or country, and when they learned about the exchange, they themselves were asked to participate in it? Are they from there?

[svp67]

Quote: Tuzik

That is, you assume that they were released but forbidden to leave the city or country, and when they learned about the exchange, they themselves were asked to participate in it? Are they from there?

Yes, they were released, in the image of our "under the subscription not to leave",

The ex-soldiers of the Golden Eagle special forces, accused of shooting on the Maidan in 2014, were released on a personal obligation. The relevant decision was made by the Kiev Court of Appeal.

but again this is cunning, it is clear that their surnames were agreed on these lists. They cannot ask for an exchange themselves, but they may or may not give consent for such a procedure.
Forgive me, but that "naughty" that has just begun in Kiev about this decision ... being sensible people, it is better to either continue to sit in jail, still more calmly, or go for such an exchange.
Look, so for fun

[Tuzik]

Thanks, interesting. Yeah, it seems really it was the best solution for them and for the authorities. Potions would not be profitable for the attack of activists on these guys, whom the law found not guilty.

[Brturin]

Quote: svp67

The criminal cases have not been terminated; they are simply released from the pre-trial detention center.

Let's see if the guarantees will turn into reality - "I will emphasize that within the framework of this agreement, the parties to the intra-Ukrainian conflict pledged to complete the pardon procedures and not to resume the prosecution of released persons. Kiev guaranteed a" procedural clearing "for those of them who have not yet been sentenced by the court Russia at the negotiations on the settlement of the conflict in Donbass Boris Gryzlov.

[svp67]

Against this background, it is stated that all five former fighters of the Berkut special forces agreed to an exchange and are already passing through the checkpoint in the Donbass. We are talking about the ex-"Berkut" who were released today by a court decision in Kiev.

Since the criminal case against them is NOT CLOSED, they have nothing to do now in Ukraine, if they do not want to go to jail again, and the option outside the judicial reprisal that takes place in Ukraine is far from possible. So that they just made the right choice

[st2st]

I can’t understand one thing. Ukraine, (according to their assurances) is fighting the sixth year with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Six years of bloody battles, and, ide, hundreds, and maybe thousands, of prisoners of war of the Russian Federation? The exchange is citizens of Ukraine for citizens of Ukraine. The idea of ​​a crowd of prisoners of war soldiers of Russia? Maybe I don’t understand something? Smacks of debility from the Independent

[svp67]

Quote: st2st

The idea of ​​a crowd of prisoners of war soldiers of Russia?

The crowd, not the crowd, but there were a certain number of Russian citizens, it was the volunteers who returned them not long ago, at the time of the exchange for Sentsov and Ukrainian sailors

[carstorm 11]

citizens and military personnel are, as it were, two big differences))))) this legal idiocy carries away many for a long time) they are at war with Russia and everybody takes part in exchanges, but not a single prisoner of war belongs to the RF Ministry of Defense))) prisoners of war are a separate status. completely different subtleties.

[30143]

It’s enough that they oversee ... Remember Vietnam ...
Specialists in peacefully plowing tractors.
As I understand it, they were not taken prisoner.
But graves in the Russian Federation appeared after 14-15 years.
Yes, and censorship, however, works.
And if for garlic, then who is Girkin? What did he do in Ukraine? And where does he live now?
And what did the Brazilian do in the Donbass?
Tell me more about it.
Only without ... international assistance.

[Thrifty]

The only thing that Zelensky managed was to exchange the ukroboyeviks for militias mixed with civilians captured for exchange from Ukraine.

[30143]

thrifty, do you like that they write you with a small letter? There is some kind of ethics. Or now we will write with a little Putin?
He is also Vladimir. Look in the past for what people with such names have achieved. And it doesn’t matter that they are Jews.

[Retvizan 8]

Well, at the end, at least some of the guys escaped from Ukrainian dungeons!

[cniza]

Yes, you can be happy for them. escaped ...

[Lord of the Sith]

Then, the former prisoners will quickly receive Russian citizenship, like many residents of our Republics, both civilian and military, so you have to talk to Russia directly, it will not be enough to grab anyone you want.

[cniza]

When captured by them, our citizens are most interesting ... these creatures will stop at nothing.

[bouncyhunter]

Jora

Quote: Lord of the Sith

no longer ride just so grab anyone you want

You think so? Mattresses something nifiga Russian passport does not scare ...

[Lord of the Sith]

Hello Pasha

They were not afraid of the presence of Ukrainian citizenship, and Russian citizenship of prisoners to allow them to pinch their eggs, this is more serious.
But the responsibility is higher, the citizens of the Russian Federation in Ukrainian captivity are not jokes.
But even now they pulled people out.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

But even now they pulled people out.

It’s good, it’s right.
But I have no doubt that the skakuas will continue to catch primarily those who have a Russian passport.

[Lord of the Sith]

We will see how it will be, wait and see.

But this mess must be completed; people have long been tired of the war.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

But this mess has to end

Not even discussed.

Quote: Lord of the Sith

people have long been tired of war

People yes. And the geeks?

[Lord of the Sith]

That's why they are geeks.
To whom is war and to whom is mother dear? But when it ends, it will certainly end, the Bandera will make excuses, they say they were deceived, and so on, as in Germany.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Bandera will make excuses

I have no doubt for a minute.

[Kronos]

400 citizens of Russia were held captive in Ukraine and nothing, sailors from the occupied bulk carriers were nothing, soldiers stolen upon receiving a diploma were nothing

[Lord of the Sith]

And where does the 400 information come from? And why the round number? Not 398 or 403? Why not stopitsot?

There are two big differences who are captured, citizens of unrecognized republics and Ukraine, or citizens of Russia.
Here you need to understand.

[Kronos]

Sailors and soldiers were citizens of Russia

[Lord of the Sith]

That's right, and they were released, treated like a precious vase, they did not languish for years like ours in the dungeons of the Security Service.

[Kronos]

They were exchanged if you forgot, and so they could sit for years, that is, Russian citizenship does not stop them

[Lord of the Sith]

This is because there is a reaction to every action.

They will behave like that - the Sumerians will get the full ass of cucumbers.
Lock them in Azov or make a commotion at the front as there is nothing to do. And there is nothing to contrast the Sumerians.

[30143]

But yours was not

[cniza]

Against this background, it is stated that all five former fighters of the Berkut special forces agreed to an exchange and are already passing through the checkpoint in the Donbass. We are talking about the ex-"Berkut" who were released today by a court decision in Kiev.

Not really the guys will end the nightmare, God forbid, they deserve the most ...

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Welcome back home.

[PalBor]

It is very pleasing that they released Mehdi Logunov and the grandfather, honey expert Ruban. Somehow I was worried about them. Well, thank God.

[PalBor]

I wonder who is minus those who rejoice at the release of Ukrainian prisoners? What are ... "wonderful people"?
I understand that trolling is a job, but still I won’t get used to it.

[st2st]

Do you think that only "fluffy" Russians are subscribed to VO? There are fools and idiots everywhere.

[PalBor]

If only those who were present, whom you called, as they are tolerantly, "alternatively thinking" ... But after all, recently came, such a feeling, from the Ukrainian CIPSO. Looks like our VO is dangerous for themselves.

[30143]

Nevermind. This is a side effect ... garbage that is designed to confuse. More incomprehensible. And your desire to write something disappears.

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: Dmitry Gundorov

No, nobody just needs such idiots

Now, if you change only two letters in the surname, then you will not put any minuses, whatever you write. By the fact that not a single decent person wants to get involved with what will come of this transformation. You will not have -45.

[Karaul14]

I heard that those who were guilty of a terrorist attack in Kharkov in 2015 and the Berkutovites, who may have shot at the Maydanites, were exchanged. Already traditionally, the exchange is again uneven, Ukraine again gives several times more people than it receives.
An analogy is drawn with Israel, which is ready to release several hundred terrorists for the sake of even one person.

[tolmachiev51]

Quote: st2st

I can’t understand one thing. Ukraine, (according to their assurances) is fighting the sixth year with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Six years of bloody battles, and, ide, hundreds, and maybe thousands, of prisoners of war of the Russian Federation? The exchange is citizens of Ukraine for citizens of Ukraine. The idea of ​​a crowd of prisoners of war soldiers of Russia? Maybe I don’t understand something? Smacks of debility from the Independent

Everyone understands, the war would end, in 2014!?

[Carib]

Quote: Atlant-1164

I didn’t understand .. they confiscated property from Lusvarga, in the form of his sweatshirt ??)

Sweatshirt at best lost, torn. Rather, they tortured her, and she is like a flashy object of accusation and evidence. Mind was enough to destroy, and not enough to replace with another cheap one ..

[frols]

The Brazilian is fighting for the Russians, but at that time the Russians .............