Not everyone wanted to "exchange": some of the nuances of the exchange of "prisoners" between Ukraine and LDN


Interesting details are being received regarding the ongoing exchange of held persons between Ukraine and the republics of Donbass. At present, about 30 people have been transferred to Kiev, in turn, to LDNR - 63. It should be noted that the exchange according to the “120 to 80” formula continues.


The nuances of the exchange are related to the position of some Ukrainians who are on the exchange lists. Thus, the Ukrainian side reports that at least two people with Ukrainian passports, who were under investigation in the territory of the LDP, refused to return to the territory controlled by Kiev. At the same time, the Ukrainian side claims that eight people refused to be sent to LDNR.

Against this background, it is stated that all five former fighters of the Berkut special forces agreed to an exchange and are already passing through the checkpoint in the Donbass. We are talking about the ex-"Berkut" who were released today by a court decision in Kiev.

The information portal Strana.ua writes that the Brazilian citizen Rafael Lusvargi also appeared on the list for the exchange. He at one time, being a representative of the volunteer detachment of the NM DPR, ended up in Ukrainian captivity. During the exchange, he was offered to fly to his homeland - to Brazil through the Kiev Borispol airport - but Lusvargi refused. He went to Lugansk, from where, as he himself stated, he would go to the Russian Federation. For reference: Lusvargi in Ukraine was sentenced to 13 years in prison for participating in "terrorist activities." The court of the Dnipropetrovsk region decided to confiscate property from Lusvarga. At the time of the hearing, the only personal property of a Brazilian citizen was a sweatshirt.

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  1. Vladimir_2U 29 December 2019 17: 14 New
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    Brazilian citizen Rafael Lusvargi. He at one time, being the representative of the volunteer detachment of the NM DPR, ended up in Ukrainian captivity. During exchange, he was offered to fly to his homeland - to Brazil via Kiev Borispol Airport, but Lusvargi refused Maybe because he refused, because serious persecution began against communists and socialists in Brazil?
    1. Dmitry Donskoy 29 December 2019 17: 36 New
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      Most importantly, people from prisons will return home. yes
    2. Dmitry Gundorov 29 December 2019 17: 37 New
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      No, nobody just needs such idiots
      1. Vladimir_2U 30 December 2019 04: 30 New
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        Well, yes, yes, in your opinion it turns out that Hemengway, for example, had thousands of other anti-fascists in Spain.
        1. georggy 30 December 2019 16: 40 New
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          Read what the anti-fascist Hemengway was doing as an anti-fascist in his books - it is hopeless drunkenness and fornication.
          1. Vladimir_2U 30 December 2019 17: 02 New
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            "The Old Man and the Sea" is just a poem about drunkenness and fornication, yes!
            1. georggy 30 December 2019 19: 39 New
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              Yes Yes Yes. Post.
    3. carstorm 11 29 December 2019 18: 32 New
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      everything is simpler. they slap an article at once and put him in prison. great stupidity from under charges of terrorism and landing under this article to return to their homeland. first you need to wash it off.
    4. Chaldon48 30 December 2019 02: 53 New
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      He will receive a Russian passport and how Depardieu lowers to Europe.
      1. den3080 30 December 2019 06: 41 New
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        Quote: Chaldon48
        He will receive a Russian passport and how Depardieu lowers to Europe.

        You have a misconception about Brazilians and Europe :))
        Brazilians need visas to visit European countries.
    5. Private-K 31 December 2019 09: 37 New
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      Check out the English wiki about Lusvarga. A very interesting character. And he served in the French Foreign Legion (and in a parachute regiment), and he served in the Brazilian military police, and studied medical at the University of Kursk ... And in general, ethnic Hungarian ... belay
  2. Atlant-1164 29 December 2019 17: 15 New
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    I didn’t understand .. they confiscated property from Lusvarga, in the form of his sweatshirt ??)
    1. Terenin 29 December 2019 18: 53 New
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      Quote: Atlant-1164
      I didn’t understand .. they confiscated property from Lusvarga, in the form of his sweatshirt ??)

      Really not clear what Why forcibly seize a worn jacket in state ownership (Ukrainian income)?
      And, we wonder why the national battalions do not shun anything, taking everything out of the destroyed and abandoned dwellings ...
    2. Xnumx vis 29 December 2019 23: 10 New
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      Quote: Atlant-1164
      I didn’t understand .. they confiscated property from Lusvarga, in the form of his sweatshirt ??)
      And where is your interest here ... Need a sweatshirt? Chi sho ....?
      1. Terenin 29 December 2019 23: 36 New
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        Quote: 30 vis
        Quote: Atlant-1164
        I didn’t understand .. they confiscated property from Lusvarga, in the form of his sweatshirt ??)
        And where is your interest here ... Need a sweatshirt? Chi sho ....?

        And then "chi sho ...? Atlant wants to understand the logic of confiscation of personal clothing !!! fool
        It seems that there are only Ukrainians in the subject ..., for any question, "chi sho" belay
        1. Xnumx vis 30 December 2019 08: 41 New
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          Thank God And Russia, the former "Ukrainian" --- Sevastopol. I just didn’t understand the interest in the unfortunate sweatshirt Lusvarga ... And Svidiks, they will rip off both the skin and the sweatshirt ... Here, you and chi sho ! "There is still an interesting, funny expression among our smaller brothers ...-" loafing gazes, that reading "What does it mean ..." dear viewers and readers "!! This is so to cheer you up! With the coming !!!
          1. volodimer 30 December 2019 20: 11 New
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            And suddenly, in a sweatshirt, the map-path to Eldorado is sewn up .... and this is one step to the happiness of an independent ...
    3. Private-K 31 December 2019 09: 27 New
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      The Law of Ukraine on Bailiffs prohibits the seizure of wearable items. So, the Brazilian will have a sweatshirt.
      1. Xnumx vis 31 December 2019 10: 13 New
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        Quote: Private-K
        The Law of Ukraine on Bailiffs prohibits the seizure of wearable items. So, the Brazilian will have a sweatshirt.

        And shaw in Ukraine, are there any laws? "3. 5 years I had to be a citizen of Ukraine, washed ... .. I am reporting laws on Ukraine, NO NO! .. There is one pardon .. wassat .- "Give the pennies skillet mini? Give the mini pennies!" And the issue is resolved .... fellow
  3. ximkim 29 December 2019 17: 18 New
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    Yes .. nuances.
  4. The leader of the Redskins 29 December 2019 17: 23 New
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    Somehow it’s not even, until it turns out ... And not towards LDN, forgive me the rest of the readers. Or from Lugansk to the exchange point further than from Kiev? And "defectors" the percentage is different ...
    1. svp67 29 December 2019 17: 46 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Somehow not evenly, while it turns out ...

      So the territories occupied by the opponents are different. Now they are trying to apply the principle of "all for all", but they are conducting it in stages, after clarifying and agreeing on the lists
      1. The leader of the Redskins 29 December 2019 17: 51 New
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        I'm talking about those that have already been exchanged!
        1. svp67 29 December 2019 17: 55 New
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          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          I'm talking about those that have already been exchanged!

          And what has the size of occupied territories changed since then? From the Ukrainian side, people are being taken for an exchange from all over the territory, not everyone there fought in arms against the current "Vlad" on the front line, there are simply "political" or "terrorists" or "bandits", my friend didn’t live to see the exchange, He died of starvation during a voluntary hunger strike ... he was detained for three years in a pre-trial detention center, but could not prove guilt in "gangsterism", although everyone knew that he was just avenged for his political position in 2013-14
          1. tihonmarine 29 December 2019 18: 09 New
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            Quote: svp67
            my friend didn’t live to see the exchange, he died of starvation during a voluntary hunger strike ... he was detained for three years in a pre-trial detention center, but they couldn’t prove the guilt of “banditry”, although everyone knew that he was just avenged for his political position in 2014 -15 year

            Not disguised fascism. Muller and his companions prostitutes.
            1. svp67 29 December 2019 18: 14 New
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              Quote: tihonmarine
              Not disguised fascism. Muller and his companions prostitutes.

              This is a war, a CIVIL war.
              1. Maz
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                What kind of civilian is she? This is a US war against everyone. if they fought on their territory ... then it would be more honest
            2. rich 29 December 2019 18: 26 New
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              Exchange is good. But apparently not for everyone - now sofa mini-borgs with an independent one will start to comment on the principle of everyone at all " laughing
      2. Piramidon 29 December 2019 18: 29 New
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        Quote: svp67
        So the territories occupied by opponents are different

        What does the territory have to do with it? Svidomo catch dissatisfied with their regime throughout Ukraine and include in the lists for exchange. And LDNR really only captive banderlog.
        1. svp67 29 December 2019 18: 42 New
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          Quote: Piramidon
          What does the territory have to do with it?

          You yourself answered your own question. On which territory can I catch more
    2. asv363 29 December 2019 18: 38 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Somehow not evenly, while it turns out ...

      60 people returned to the DPR, 52 to Ukraine from the DPR.
      63 people returned to the LPR, 25 to Ukraine from the LPR.
      The People's Republics announced that the exchange was completed. What's the question?
  5. businessv 29 December 2019 17: 26 New
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    Against this background, it is stated that all five former fighters of the Berkut special forces agreed to an exchange and are already passing through the checkpoint in the Donbass.
    This is very good, otherwise Natsik found the extreme ones! With the return of all the guys! hi
    1. alavrin 29 December 2019 17: 38 New
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      Not everyone else. 160 people can not find.
      1. tihonmarine 29 December 2019 18: 11 New
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        Quote: alavrin
        Not everyone else. 160 people can not find.

        Eternal memory to them.
  6. Tuzik 29 December 2019 17: 28 New
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    "all five former soldiers of the Berkut special forces agreed to exchange and are already passing through the checkpoint in the Donbass. We are talking about ex-Berkut soldiers who were released today by court order in Kiev."

    Do not understand. If they are free, how sideways is the exchange for them? After all, a free man himself can go anywhere.
    1. svp67 29 December 2019 17: 43 New
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      Quote: Tuzik
      If they are free, how sideways is the exchange for them?

      The criminal cases have not been terminated; they are simply released from the pre-trial detention center. Once again, the Ukrainian authorities act, as it were, to put it mildly ... well, not gentlemanly
      1. Tuk77 29 December 2019 17: 53 New
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        Do not focus on this.
        For the question may arise: have we stopped criminal cases against Ukrainian sailors?
        And then the next question will arise about gentlemenhood.
        1. svp67 29 December 2019 18: 04 New
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          Quote: Tuk77
          For the question may arise: have we stopped criminal cases against Ukrainian sailors?
          And then the next question will arise about gentlemenhood.

          But now the conversation is not about the exchange between Ukraine and Russia, but the intra-state conflict. And Ukraine adheres to this practice from the very beginning of such exchanges.
          In a situation with "Golden eagle" in general full cynicism. Elena Lukash at the hearing, in defense of these guys clearly stated and proved that the law adopted by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, signed by the President, at that time it was Poroshenko, does not distinguish between the parties to the conflict during the events on the Maidan and amnesty everyone ... What caused a certain “stupor” among the judges ... When you write the laws, you have to be careful in the wording, and it turns out that for five years people have been sitting UNLAWFUL. Nevertheless, criminal cases have not been terminated.
        2. carstorm 11 29 December 2019 18: 35 New
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          you do not compare warm with soft. they were humanely treated with these sailors because crossing the border of a foreign state on warships ended for them. in any other country, such handsome men did not start criminal cases in view of their rest at the bottom. so there is no need to argue about gentlemen. not that level.
      2. tihonmarine 29 December 2019 18: 12 New
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        Quote: svp67
        . well not gentlemanly

        In Ukraine ? And the gentlemen. This is already a fake.
      3. Tuzik 29 December 2019 18: 26 New
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        Quote: svp67
        Quote: Tuzik
        If they are free, how sideways is the exchange for them?

        The criminal cases have not been terminated; they are simply released from the pre-trial detention center. Once again, the Ukrainian authorities act, as it were, to put it mildly ... well, not gentlemanly

        That is, you assume that they were released but forbidden to leave the city or country, and when they learned about the exchange, they themselves were asked to participate in it? Are they from there?
        1. svp67 29 December 2019 18: 37 New
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          Quote: Tuzik
          That is, you assume that they were released but forbidden to leave the city or country, and when they learned about the exchange, they themselves were asked to participate in it? Are they from there?

          Yes, they were released, in the image of our "subscription not to leave",
          The ex-soldiers of the Golden Eagle special forces, accused of shooting on the Maidan in 2014, were released on a personal obligation. The relevant decision was made by the Kiev Court of Appeal.

          but again this is cunning, it is clear that their surnames were agreed on these lists. They cannot ask for an exchange themselves, but they may or may not give consent for such a procedure.
          Excuse me, but the “schukher” that has just begun in Kiev about this decision ... being sane people, it’s better to either continue to be in prison, still more calmly or go for such an exchange.
          Look, so for fun
          1. Tuzik 29 December 2019 19: 31 New
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            Thanks, interesting. Yeah, it seems really it was the best solution for them and for the authorities. Potions would not be profitable for the attack of activists on these guys, whom the law found not guilty.
      4. Brturin 29 December 2019 19: 20 New
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        Quote: svp67
        The criminal cases have not been terminated; they are simply released from the pre-trial detention center.

        Let’s see, the guarantees will become reality - “I emphasize that, under this agreement, the parties to the intra-Ukrainian conflict pledged to complete the pardon procedures and not to resume the prosecution of those released. Kiev guaranteed a“ procedural cleansing ”for those who have not yet been sentenced” - plenipotentiary Russia in negotiations to resolve the conflict in the Donbass Boris Gryzlov.
  7. svp67 29 December 2019 17: 41 New
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    Against this background, it is stated that all five former fighters of the Berkut special forces agreed to an exchange and are already passing through the checkpoint in the Donbass. We are talking about the ex-"Berkut" who were released today by a court decision in Kiev.
    Since the criminal case against them is NOT CLOSED, they have nothing to do now in Ukraine, if they do not want to go to jail again, and the option outside the judicial reprisal that takes place in Ukraine is far from possible. So that they just made the right choice
  8. st2st 29 December 2019 17: 48 New
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    I can’t understand one thing. Ukraine, (according to their assurances) is fighting the sixth year with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Six years of bloody battles, and, ide, hundreds, and maybe thousands, of prisoners of war of the Russian Federation? The exchange is citizens of Ukraine for citizens of Ukraine. The idea of ​​a crowd of prisoners of war soldiers of Russia? Maybe I don’t understand something? Smacks of debility from the Independent
    1. svp67 29 December 2019 17: 57 New
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      Quote: st2st
      The idea of ​​a crowd of prisoners of war soldiers of Russia?

      The crowd, not the crowd, but there were a certain number of Russian citizens, it was the volunteers who returned them not long ago, at the time of the exchange for Sentsov and Ukrainian sailors
      1. carstorm 11 29 December 2019 18: 39 New
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        citizens and military personnel are, as it were, two big differences))))) this legal idiocy carries away many for a long time) they are at war with Russia and everybody takes part in exchanges, but not a single prisoner of war belongs to the RF Ministry of Defense))) prisoners of war are a separate status. completely different subtleties.
    2. 30143 31 December 2019 08: 31 New
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      It’s enough that they oversee ... Remember Vietnam ...
      Specialists in peacefully plowing tractors.
      As I understand it, they were not taken prisoner.
      But graves in the Russian Federation appeared after 14-15 years.
      Yes, and censorship, however, works.
      And if for garlic, then who is Girkin? What did he do in Ukraine? And where does he live now?
      And what did the Brazilian do in the Donbass?
      Tell me more about it.
      Only without ... international assistance.
  9. Thrifty 29 December 2019 19: 10 New
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    The only thing that Zelensky managed was to exchange the ukroboyeviks for militias mixed with civilians captured for exchange from Ukraine.
    1. 30143 31 December 2019 08: 35 New
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      thrifty, do you like that they write you with a small letter? There is some kind of ethics. Or now we will write with a little Putin?
      He is also Vladimir. Look in the past for what people with such names have achieved. And it doesn’t matter that they are Jews.
  10. Retvizan 8 29 December 2019 20: 09 New
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    Well, at the end, at least some of the guys escaped from Ukrainian dungeons!
    1. cniza 29 December 2019 20: 25 New
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      Yes, you can be happy for them. escaped ...
  11. Lord of the Sith 29 December 2019 20: 18 New
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    Then, the former prisoners will quickly receive Russian citizenship, like many residents of our Republics, both civilian and military, so you have to talk to Russia directly, it will not be enough to grab anyone you want.
    1. cniza 29 December 2019 20: 24 New
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      When captured by them, our citizens are most interesting ... these creatures will stop at nothing.
    2. bouncyhunter 29 December 2019 20: 26 New
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      Jora hi
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      no longer ride just so grab anyone you want

      You think so? Mattresses something nifiga Russian passport does not scare ... sad
      1. Lord of the Sith 29 December 2019 20: 31 New
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        Hello Pasha hi

        They were not afraid of the presence of Ukrainian citizenship, and Russian citizenship of prisoners to allow them to pinch their eggs, this is more serious.
        But the responsibility is higher, the citizens of the Russian Federation in Ukrainian captivity are not jokes.
        But even now they pulled people out.
        1. bouncyhunter 29 December 2019 20: 37 New
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          Quote: Lord of the Sith
          But even now they pulled people out.

          It’s good, it’s right.
          But I have no doubt that the skakuas will continue to catch primarily those who have a Russian passport. sad
          1. Lord of the Sith 29 December 2019 20: 40 New
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            We will see how it will be, wait and see.

            But this mess must be completed; people have long been tired of the war.
            1. bouncyhunter 29 December 2019 20: 43 New
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              Quote: Lord of the Sith
              But this mess has to end

              Not even discussed. yes
              Quote: Lord of the Sith
              people have long been tired of war

              People yes. And the geeks?
              1. Lord of the Sith 29 December 2019 20: 46 New
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                That's why they are geeks.
                To whom is war and to whom is mother dear? But when it ends, it will certainly end, the Bandera will make excuses, they say they were deceived, and so on, as in Germany.
                1. bouncyhunter 29 December 2019 20: 55 New
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                  Quote: Lord of the Sith
                  Bandera will make excuses

                  I have no doubt for a minute.
        2. Kronos 29 December 2019 20: 49 New
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          400 citizens of Russia were held captive in Ukraine and nothing, sailors from the occupied bulk carriers were nothing, soldiers stolen upon receiving a diploma were nothing
          1. Lord of the Sith 29 December 2019 21: 10 New
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            And where does the 400 information come from? And why the round number? Not 398 or 403? Why not stopitsot?

            There are two big differences who are captured, citizens of unrecognized republics and Ukraine, or citizens of Russia.
            Here you need to understand.
            1. Kronos 29 December 2019 21: 51 New
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              Sailors and soldiers were citizens of Russia
              1. Lord of the Sith 29 December 2019 22: 00 New
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                That's right, and they were released, treated like a precious vase, they did not languish for years like ours in the dungeons of the Security Service.
                1. Kronos 29 December 2019 22: 09 New
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                  They were exchanged if you forgot, and so they could sit for years, that is, Russian citizenship does not stop them
                  1. Lord of the Sith 29 December 2019 22: 13 New
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                    This is because there is a reaction to every action.

                    They will behave like that - the Sumerians will get the full ass of cucumbers.
                    Lock them in Azov or make a commotion at the front as there is nothing to do. And there is nothing to contrast the Sumerians.
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                  But yours was not
  12. cniza 29 December 2019 20: 23 New
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    Against this background, it is stated that all five former fighters of the Berkut special forces agreed to an exchange and are already passing through the checkpoint in the Donbass. We are talking about the ex-"Berkut" who were released today by a court decision in Kiev.


    Not really the guys will end the nightmare, God forbid, they deserve the most ...
  13. Ratmir_Ryazan 29 December 2019 21: 08 New
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    Welcome back home.
  14. PalBor 29 December 2019 21: 21 New
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    It is very pleasing that they released Mehdi Logunov and the grandfather, honey expert Ruban. Somehow I was worried about them. Well, thank God.
    1. PalBor 29 December 2019 22: 49 New
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      I wonder who is minus those who rejoice in the release of Ukrainian prisoners? What the ... "wonderful people"? no
      I understand that trolling is a job, but still I won’t get used to it.
      1. st2st 30 December 2019 05: 14 New
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        Do you think that only "fluffy" Russians are subscribed to VO? There are enough fools and idiots everywhere.
        1. PalBor 30 December 2019 09: 59 New
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          If only those were present, whom you called, as they are tolerant, “alternatively thinking” ... But then, lately you have come running, it seems, from the Ukrainian TsIPsO. Looks like our VO is considered dangerous for themselves.
      2. 30143 31 December 2019 08: 40 New
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        Nevermind. This is a side effect ... garbage that is designed to confuse. More incomprehensible. And your desire to write something disappears.
  15. cherkas.oe 29 December 2019 22: 28 New
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    Quote: Dmitry Gundorov
    No, nobody just needs such idiots
    Now, if you change only two letters in the surname, then you will not put any minuses, whatever you write. By the fact that not a single decent person wants to get involved with what will come of this transformation. You will not have -45.
  16. Karaul14 30 December 2019 03: 32 New
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    I heard that those who were guilty of a terrorist attack in Kharkov in 2015 and the Berkutovites, who may have shot at the Maydanites, were exchanged. Already traditionally, the exchange is again uneven, Ukraine again gives several times more people than it receives.
    An analogy is drawn with Israel, which is ready to release several hundred terrorists for the sake of even one person.
  17. tolmachiev51 30 December 2019 06: 28 New
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    Quote: st2st
    I can’t understand one thing. Ukraine, (according to their assurances) is fighting the sixth year with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Six years of bloody battles, and, ide, hundreds, and maybe thousands, of prisoners of war of the Russian Federation? The exchange is citizens of Ukraine for citizens of Ukraine. The idea of ​​a crowd of prisoners of war soldiers of Russia? Maybe I don’t understand something? Smacks of debility from the Independent

    Everyone understands, the war would end, in 2014!?
  18. Carib 30 December 2019 06: 42 New
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    Quote: Atlant-1164
    I didn’t understand .. they confiscated property from Lusvarga, in the form of his sweatshirt ??)

    Sweatshirt at best lost, torn. Rather, they tortured her, and she is like a flashy object of accusation and evidence. Mind was enough to destroy, and not enough to replace with another cheap one ..
  19. frols 30 December 2019 17: 17 New
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    The Brazilian is fighting for the Russians, but at that time the Russians .............