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In the face of "Russian aggression": the United States returns Avenger air defense systems

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The US Army is returning its Avenger anti-aircraft missile systems to the Humvee multipurpose wheeled vehicles.


The return of these air defense systems is "in the face of Russian aggression," writes Defense Blog.

Last year, the American army restored the active SHORAD battalion in Germany. The 5th battalion of the 4th artillery air defense regiment (5-4 ADA) was armed with the Avenger systems mounted on the Humvee with a modified top and a pair of Stinger missiles. Such a combined weapons system, the publication indicates, provides mobile protection against missiles, low-flying aircraft and, more recently, unmanned aerial vehicles.

Avenger anti-aircraft missile systems were first used by the US Army back in 1990. In recent years, most of them have been transferred to the National Guard or simply stored in army warehouses.

In 2018, 72 Avengers were taken out of Pennsylvania. Half of the air defense systems are now at the 5-4 ADA, and the remaining air defense systems are ready-made delivered to a warehouse in Germany.

"Avengers" returned to the army in accordance with the initiative of the chief of staff of the army. According to the military, this decision aims to bridge the gap in short-range air defense capabilities, from which the United States and its NATO allies in Europe "suffer". The army received a "warning signal" while observing the conflict in Ukraine, the publication points out.

In addition, it is reported that the American army thereby lays the foundation for large-scale military operations with an enemy like Russia.

In addition to improving logistics systems and strengthening the military power of armored forces, the U.S. Army currently supports short-range air defense units known as SHORAD battalions. Since the army is developing its potential for conducting large-scale military operations against someone similar to Russia, then SHORAD units are again in demand, analysts conclude.

Recall that SHORAD stands for Short Range Air Defense. These are short-range air defense battalions whose tasks are to protect against low-altitude air threats. First of all, it is defense against helicopters and short-range airplanes and short-range flights - for example, from the Su-25.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 29 December 2019 15: 07
    0
    Avenger anti-aircraft missile systems
    why not an "anti-aircraft missile-gun complex", in the same place like under the missile container a cannon barrel sticks out?
    And I like this concept of building an air defense missile system more than that of our "Gibka", it is strange why they did not take it as a model, apparently due to the absence of a "pickup" based on the "Tiger"
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 29 December 2019 15: 26
      +8
      Quote: svp67
      the gun barrel sticks out?

      Machine gun 12.7, personifying the general misery
    2. loki565
      loki565 29 December 2019 15: 26
      +3
      apparently due to the lack of a "pickup" based on the "Tiger"

      1. svp67
        svp67 29 December 2019 15: 50
        +3
        Well, this is the "civilian" version, but it is very different from the "army", I have not seen such in the troops.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 29 December 2019 15: 57
          +3
          Quote: svp67
          Well, this is the "civilian" version, but it is very different from the "army", in the troops I have not seen such.

          Have you toured all the troops?
          1. svp67
            svp67 29 December 2019 16: 10
            +4
            Quote: Piramidon
            Have you toured all the troops?

            If there is, then please photos, the floor of the machine is no longer secret.
            In our air force pickups are only now beginning to enter and then in the Airborne Forces and these are not "Tigers"
    3. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 29 December 2019 15: 27
      +3
      There is a machine gun / 12,7 /.
    4. Jack O'Neill
      Jack O'Neill 29 December 2019 15: 31
      0
      why not an "anti-aircraft missile-gun complex", in the same place like under the missile container a cannon barrel sticks out?

      This is not a gun, but a machine gun (12,7x99). For amers, this is - Small caliber ammunition (SCA). The guns they have come with 20 mm, i.e. Medium Caliber Ammunition (MCAs).
      Keep pdf booklet:
      https://www.nammo.com/globalassets/pdfs/ammobook/nammo_ammo_handbook_aw_screen_updated.pdf
      1. svp67
        svp67 29 December 2019 15: 53
        -1
        Quote: Jack O'Neill
        Keep pdf booklet:

        Thanks, I'll take a look.
        Quote: Gray Brother
        Machine gun 12.7, personifying the general misery

        Quote: Thunderbolt
        There is a machine gun / 12,7 /.

        Quote: Jack O'Neill
        This is not a gun, but a machine gun (12,7x99)

        And yet, placement in the back of a pickup truck, rather than on the roof of a car, entails a lower metacentre, which means more stability, and look how many missiles are sticking out of the container. They have more missiles in one container than we have at Gibka
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 29 December 2019 16: 15
          +7
          Sergey, what's stuck with these missiles? Well, an ordinary container for four missiles. And what?
          1. svp67
            svp67 29 December 2019 16: 33
            0
            Quote: sabakina
            Well, an ordinary container for four missiles. And what?

            Two containers of four missiles, that's eight missiles. And we have only two at Gibka ...
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 29 December 2019 16: 39
              +5
              Sergei, I remember an episode of the film "General Designer", where M.Koshkin explains to the military representative. why can we increase the caliber of the gun on the tank, but there is no Fritz ... Series 2. if you search. wink
              1. svp67
                svp67 29 December 2019 16: 41
                0
                Quote: sabakina
                why can we increase the caliber of guns on the tank, but there’s no fritz ... 2 episode. if you will search.

                Place our designer complex in the back of a pickup truck, and not on the roof, and more missiles could be installed without the threat of tipping over and swaying such a machine while driving.
                1. sabakina
                  sabakina 29 December 2019 16: 49
                  +2
                  Sergey, I agree. I hope that our designers are modeling on the cardboard of the Roshen factory ... wink
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 29 December 2019 16: 58
                    -2
                    Quote: sabakina
                    I hope that our designers are modeling on the cardboard of the Roshen factory ...

                    No, of course, I don’t even see Roshen chocolates and I’m GOOD. It just wasn't there, two years ago we had pick-up trucks in the army, but now they have gone, I think that the complexes will appear.
                    By the way, at the expense of machine guns, the same thing is not a useless thing in terms of fighting light UAVs
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            2. NKT
              NKT 29 December 2019 18: 46
              +3

              Two containers of four missiles, that's eight missiles. And we have only two at Gibka ...

              Sponge has 4 missiles and four more in the cockpit.
              1. svp67
                svp67 29 December 2019 18: 54
                0
                Quote: NKT
                Sponge has 4 missiles and four more in the cockpit.

                Sory, really 4 rockets,

                but still, they are half as much as the enemy. A cabin supply, this is such a thing ... It is not yet known how many there are in an American car, in reserve
                1. NKT
                  NKT 29 December 2019 19: 47
                  +2
                  We still have a Pine, and there are 12 of them. You do not know what organizational structure will be (planned) for Bending?
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 29 December 2019 20: 55
                    +3
                    Quote: NKT
                    You do not know what organizational structure will be (planned) for Bending?

                    Well, judging by the old organizational staff, the platoon is at least 4 cars, 12 - a battery. And it is unlikely to be something higher. Are the divisions likely to be mixed? These vehicles will most likely be used to replace BMPs or armored personnel carriers from "people's avengers", anti-aircraft soldiers with MANPADS.

                    [Center]
                    [/ Center]
                    A very good replacement, allowing the use of MANPADS with both a car and a shoulder.
            3. 30hgsa
              30hgsa 29 December 2019 20: 12
              -1
              On flexible 4 rockets. Where you saw 2, I’m xs, it’s enough for two salvo launches, and no one else will do it, each rocket at the same time is comparable to the base chassis and increases the price, while it is flexible for export
              1. svp67
                svp67 29 December 2019 21: 03
                -1
                Quote: 30hgsa
                On flexible 4 rockets. Where did you see there 2

                Before that I saw a fragment of tests. But now I’ve reviewed other shootings and say that I was wrong, in part, she may have eight missiles on guides. But at the expense of sustainability was right. In motion, the unit can operate at speeds of up to 30 kilometers per hour ... It will still work to cover the columns with caterpillar equipment, but it may not be enough to accompany the columns on the wheeled
                1. 30hgsa
                  30hgsa 29 December 2019 21: 23
                  +1
                  Just hung 2 tubes. The bending in this regard is made simpler than the avanger, it does not have guide blocks, but simply REMW with a suspension of standard tubes from the Needle / Willow. As a result, the complex will be much cheaper and easier to manufacture. As for high location and stability ... maybe. But pickup trucks at tiger bases are not mass produced - they are not in demand.
                  PS: to cover troops on the march hardly makes sense only with the help of MANPADS. For this there is Pine and Derivation-Air Defense. It is flexible rather for export, IMHO, or for solving limited tasks at the maximum battalion level.
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 30 December 2019 03: 54
                    0
                    Quote: 30hgsa
                    PS: to cover troops on the march hardly makes sense only with the help of MANPADS.

                    Yes, unfortunately, the anti-aircraft battalion does not have a lot of forces and is not enough for all of them, therefore they will, they will be allocated to accompany the columns, including in addition to the "Pines" and "Derivation"
        2. Jack O'Neill
          Jack O'Neill 29 December 2019 16: 23
          -2
          Nevertheless, placement in the back of a pickup truck, and not on the roof of a car, entails a lower metacentre, which means greater stability

          Yes.
        3. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 29 December 2019 23: 05
          0
          because they have Avengers this is the main unit, and with us Bending is for MANPADS machines .. and the main protection function on Shilki, Tunguska, Osa, Arrows and soon on Pines) is assigned
    5. venik
      venik 29 December 2019 21: 31
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      why not an "anti-aircraft missile-gun complex", in the same place like under the missile container a cannon barrel sticks out?

      =========
      Sorry, but your comment resembles an "ancient bawdy" anecdote:
      Exams at the medical institute .... A student (not an excellent student) comes across the question of the male genital organ .....
      - Professor: Well, what can you say?
      - Student: The male genital organ is longer than 20 centimeters, and inside it there is bone.....
      - Professor: Well, about "more than 20 cm" - it's just for you lucky.... And about the "bone" - it's easy for you It seemed!!!

      -----
      The same is about the "gun" - it's easy for you It seemed!!!
      ==========
      Quote: svp67
      And I like this concept of building an air defense missile system more than that of our "Gibka", it's strange why they didn't take it as a model, apparently due to the lack of a "pickup" based on the "Tiger"

      ------
      Apparently because "Gibka-Tiger" has a slightly different concept: -
      - "Avenger" has ammunition - ONLY THAT is installed in the TPU (ie 8 "stingers") .... At "Gibka-S" - part of the ammunition is located INSIDE the armored hull;
      - Crew of "Avenger" - 2 people (driver and operator-gunner). The crew of "GTBKI-S" - 4 people (commander, driver, 2 operator-gunner), which ensures the possibility of combat duty for a sufficiently long time ("Avenger" is deprived of this opportunity, if you do not add to it additional "Hammer" with spare ammunition and the possibility of resting a free operator in the car);
      - "Gibka-S" - integrated with the command post and radar "Garmon", as well as the ability to interact with command posts of higher echelon. "Avenger" has NO this opportunity !!! (if the control center is transmitted, then only by radio);
      - "Gibka-S" can use in addition to MANPADS and ATGM. "Avenger" - NO!
      -----
      PS If I had a chance to choose - WHAT to serve: on "Avenger" or on "Gibka-S" - without a doubt I would choose "Flexible"
      PPS: And you, dear Sergey, and Indeed Do you think that developing a "pickup" based on the "Tiger" is so difficult ??? This, excuse me, is a "minor question" !!! I think - in a month (well, at least - for two) they would have done it! Simply - NO NECESSITY !!!
      1. svp67
        svp67 30 December 2019 03: 56
        0
        Quote: venik
        And you, dear Sergey, really think that to develop a "pickup"

        No, and in the civilian version it is, but does not enter the army.
        Quote: venik
        Simple - NO NEED !!!

        Sorry, but there is. Really is. And the wars in the Middle East, in Africa and in the same Ukraine have already proved this
  2. Observer2014
    Observer2014 29 December 2019 15: 17
    +2
    In the face of "Russian aggression": the United States returns Avenger air defense systems
    laughing I'm a little versed in these military topics yes Masha's mane wassat And I say yes. Let them spend. It may be easier for us when or where it will be laughing
    1. Siberia 75
      Siberia 75 29 December 2019 15: 28
      +3
      Quote: Observer2014
      Let them spend it. Maybe it’s easier for us when or where it will be

      Stingers on wheels. If we take into account that the striped ones have more than half a thousand on conservation, then our helicopter pilots can make nerves.
      1. orionvitt
        orionvitt 29 December 2019 15: 49
        +3
        Quote: Siberia 75
        can the nerves of our helicopter pilots do

        Unless they will arm some regular "freedom fighters" with them. In the meantime, these air defense systems, they only nightmare Germany, with their presence.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 29 December 2019 19: 50
          +3
          Quote: orionvitt
          Quote: Siberia 75
          can the nerves of our helicopter pilots do

          Unless they will arm some regular "freedom fighters" with them. In the meantime, these air defense systems, they only nightmare Germany, with their presence.

          That is why they remembered about them that the transfer of these "chariots" makes it possible to increase their presence in Europe - crews + technicians + other accompanying fraternity, while at the same time suggesting to European citizens "frightened by the Russian threat" that they think about mattresses how to "protect" them. But that's why a good half of the Germans think that the United States is a much greater threat to them than Russia.
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 29 December 2019 15: 52
        +5
        How did it seem to me that their concept rested on determining that their aviation would win all at once?
        Or did it seem to me?
        1. knn54
          knn54 29 December 2019 16: 02
          +2
          Victor, it didn't seem. The emphasis was on fighter aircraft until UAVs appeared.
          Today, except for "Stingers", there is nothing in the air defense of the ground forces
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 29 December 2019 16: 08
            +3
            How will the Stinger fight the drones ??? Does it have thermal homing? Will the iron be attached to the drone sho, will it be heated?
            It’s not beating .... maybe the rockets will be new?
            1. dzvero
              dzvero 29 December 2019 16: 27
              +2
              How will the Stinger fight the drones ??? Does it have thermal homing? Will the iron be attached to the drone sho, will it be heated?

              So, first the drone is heated with a laser, and then the stinger is launched ...
            2. Gato
              Gato 30 December 2019 02: 16
              +1
              How will the Stinger fight the drones ??? Does it have thermal homing?

              The Stinger is quite capable of capturing a relatively large UAV such as Bayraktar or Akinji, but no one will shoot them at quadcopters (probably what ). The problem (for the troops covered by air defense) is that the ATGMs with which the UAVs and the Stinger are armed have almost the same launch range - so who will find whom first. Besides, "Stinger" is useless against relatively high-altitude (more than 4 km) targets.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 30 December 2019 06: 32
                0
                Quote: Gato
                Capture a relatively large UAV such as "Bayraktar" or "Akinji" "Stinger" is quite capable,

                That's right, the stinger is limited in use. This threat will be bypassed if wisely.
        2. Gato
          Gato 30 December 2019 02: 27
          +1
          their concept rested on determining that their aviation would all win

          I was also surprised. Their concept generally did not provide for any ground operation without complete air superiority. And then "Avengers" ... Just look, the Germans will also get bottles from the bins lol
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 30 December 2019 06: 37
            0
            Quote: Gato
            Also surprised.

            The concept of minke whales is a lasting advantage over the enemy, especially in the air.
            A low-level military air defense, this is the last line of defense, when their Air Force are ineffective, that is, they lost!
            It’s not like the Yankees. A defeatist attitude, if you look closely ... what all their allies want to point out directly ... if they can understand it.
  3. Amateur
    Amateur 29 December 2019 15: 19
    +7
    helicopters and airplanes middle air based и low range flight

    It seems that in VO began to forget the Russian language.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 29 December 2019 15: 36
      0
      Quote: Amateur
      short-range airborne and low flight range

      I think to open fire on them in the near future. Special combat units, clear the stump.
      1. Siberia 75
        Siberia 75 29 December 2019 15: 53
        +3
        Quote: Gray Brother
        I think to open fire on them in the near future. Special combat units, clear the stump.

        When will you bullet, be careful. And then start the third world.
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 29 December 2019 16: 02
          +1
          Quote: Siberia 75
          And then the third world will begin

          The captain says that we are a third world country, we only let gas go up and are therefore not dangerous, therefore they will not beat us at all, but they will feed on others - Iran and North Korea, yes.
          Moreover, missile defense is only against them, yes.
      2. cost
        cost 29 December 2019 16: 28
        +2
        Gray brother (Sergey): I think to open fire on them in the near future. Special combat units, ash stump.

        From "Ash" wherever it went, but from "Stump" to hit the Avenger "is impractical. Like a sledgehammer on cockroaches)))
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 29 December 2019 15: 26
    0
    They had to do this in the same Saudi Arabia, in order to cover up their patriots there! fool
  5. Gray brother
    Gray brother 29 December 2019 15: 29
    +2
    A guidance system in the form of a black man will stop the red hordes, yes.
  6. pmkemcity
    pmkemcity 29 December 2019 15: 30
    +1
    Now they will grease and give them to "comrades in arms".
  7. Alien From
    Alien From 29 December 2019 15: 35
    +2
    It seems that in the states, they know how to make money from the air no worse than the brothers ... Where do financial rivers flow ......?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 29 December 2019 15: 52
      +3
      Why, on the contrary, it comes out pretty cheaply.

      Here loot from the air, if they shoved an alternative project. The Avengers rot further, and purchase multifunctional missile systems. From heavy IFPC - to AIM9x / Hellfire



      And light blocks from Boeing having 2 standardized mounts - on Stinger, Bushmaster, AIM9 and Hellfire.



      But they decided to limit themselves to less spending and return the Avengers. And drive innovation developers past the budget.
      1. lucul
        lucul 29 December 2019 16: 00
        +2
        But they decided to limit themselves to less spending and return the Avengers. And drive innovation developers past the budget.

        And where is the radar?
        Or the old fashioned way, by eye? )))
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 29 December 2019 16: 23
          +1
          Why radar? Is that where the radar is? More recently, this unparalleled F-22 cluster knocked down in the comments.


          These are complexes of the same class and purpose. Missiles with infrared heads require only an optical station, it is.

          If we are talking about connecting and organizing focal defense on our own - that is, we have a separate machine:

          and they


          In general, it all depends on the customer’s money, since they have a Rateon. For example, Oshkosh with AFAR on a telescopic mast + self-defense means (2 blocks of 4 Stinger each).
          1. Jack O'Neill
            Jack O'Neill 29 December 2019 16: 49
            -2
            Why radar? Is that where the radar is? More recently, this unparalleled F-22 cluster knocked down in the comments

            For the functions of such machines and FLIR, it is enough to detect and take on escort (by the way, Avenger is on the machine)
            The interesting thing is: what kind of modification is it specifically about?
            There is a laser and a 25 mm gun. Yes there are a lot of things. Boeing tried with modularity at 5 points.
          2. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 29 December 2019 23: 12
            0
            cool and stupid, to be honest .. they would have put a bigger truck)
          3. strannik1985
            strannik1985 30 December 2019 13: 18
            0
            Why radar?

            This proposal of the plant, in the troops of the "Strela-10M3" air defense system (up to 5 km) is replaced by the "Sosna" air defense system (up to 10 km).
  8. lucul
    lucul 29 December 2019 15: 36
    +2
    USA returns Avenger air defense systems

    Just vanguards shoot down .....
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 29 December 2019 15: 45
      +4
      Quote: lucul
      Just vanguards shoot down .....

      ON take off ... yes chetam !! .. right in the mines !!!!
  9. Ham
    Ham 29 December 2019 15: 52
    +3
    battleships will soon be mothballed
  10. Pavel57
    Pavel57 29 December 2019 16: 24
    0
    AMRAAM on Hammer did not take root?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 29 December 2019 16: 31
      +2
      Have taken root at the Norwegians. The Americans always assumed that enemy aircraft would be burned in the early days. They can somehow be endured. Therefore, its air defense, especially the military and near radius is always on a residual principle.

      Well, but for the customer - there were no need for Humves with 120s, so Rateon completed it for the customer.



  11. lopvlad
    lopvlad 29 December 2019 16: 36
    +1
    return Avenger air defense systems


    there, the cabin is guaranteed to break through from the SVD from the first shot. Or is it calculated on the suddenness of use? Surprise in the modern world?
  12. Dr. Sorge
    Dr. Sorge 29 December 2019 16: 42
    +2
    They were not written off, why is it about returning?
  13. Aliken
    Aliken 29 December 2019 16: 47
    +1
    And now dig trenches along the German border, "in the face of Russian aggression", without trenches in any way.
  14. Sergst
    Sergst 29 December 2019 16: 48
    0
    Quote: Amateur
    helicopters and airplanes middle air based и low range flight

    It seems that in VO began to forget the Russian language.

    And they completely scored on reading the text. Delov is five cents, but people are pleased.
  15. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 29 December 2019 17: 23
    +1
    The army received a "warning signal" while observing the conflict in Ukraine,
    Yes, what nafig Ukraine ... Rather, the conclusions are drawn from the burning of the Saudi oil complex .. PS they just re-preserve them with HH or some thread upgrade still muddied?
  16. businessv
    businessv 29 December 2019 17: 32
    0
    In addition, it is reported that the American army thereby lays the foundation for large-scale military operations with an enemy like Russia.
    Mattresses are well aware that if they start a war with Russia, no one will survive, but they stubbornly rock the boat! The result, in the form of an unprecedented military budget, is evident! hi
  17. Ros 56
    Ros 56 29 December 2019 18: 44
    0
    An interesting approach, we are trying to introduce a new one, and they return the old stuff. Hmm, where's the budget money going? After all, 738 billion greenery was scored for 2020 for defense. They’re just poking in their pockets, but our corrupt officials, suckers in front of the striped ones.
  18. Evil Booth
    Evil Booth 29 December 2019 19: 55
    -1
    wink In short, I don’t want to do bambi in NARTO air defense
  19. Boris Chernikov
    Boris Chernikov 29 December 2019 23: 04
    0
    everything is simple .. the calculations showed that the Air Force will not be able to effectively carry out air defense functions and cover units on the march .. more simply, they themselves will be knocked down, and enemy aircraft will destroy the columns, therefore they put what they have ..
  20. Prisoner
    Prisoner 29 December 2019 23: 13
    0
    laughing Russian "aggression"? Looks like mattress makers have doubts about Alaska. laughing
  21. Zomanus
    Zomanus 30 December 2019 04: 10
    0
    Interestingly, and the "peepers" of these Avengers will see drones and other small-imperceptible?
    There, after all, the most cimus is not in missiles, but the ability to detect / direct these missiles.
    And also, how quickly do these complexes get out of order by our electronic warfare systems?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 30 December 2019 13: 24
      -1
      EW - no way. Such installations are the most tenacious in conflicts with the massive use of everything from nuclear weapons to electronic warfare. Well, that is, in theory, you need to create so much energy that the electronics physically skip. If so much energy comes out to create, then the problems of the Avengers will be generally invisible. For physically electronics will be skipped everywhere.

      This is a banal MANPADS on the platform + with a normal SLA, and not on the shooter's eye. That is, there the FLIR is stabilized (multi-mode optics) - the shooter looks at him and completes the installation, presses the capture, as the GOS captured = presses the start.

      Radar and others are additional forces, for example, to organize air defense units at the deployment / parking stage. There is a separate car with a radar + a separate gearbox - in case of a mass raid you can divide the sectors, withdraw the cars well in advance, etc.

      Drones will notice at the level of the optical station. That is, or notice or not. Drones from Alik - which are small, quiet and do not emit heat - most likely will not notice. TV2 or Outpost is likely to notice during the normal organization of scanning sectors of the optical station.