Foreign expert: Armenian air forces gained an advantage over Azerbaijani air forces

The first Su-30SM combat vehicles arrived from Russia to Armenia on December 27. They were personally met by Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan at the Erebuni airfield in the capital and even got into the cockpit of one of the fighters.

He called this purchase the most important acquisition of the year. The first batch of aircraft arriving in Armenia consists of four aircraft. Soon eight more Su-30SMs will arrive. Prior to this, the most modern military air equipment of this Transcaucasian country were Su-27 fighters, purchased in the 2000s.

Well-known in military circles, foreign analyst Babak Tagway in his publication on Twitter claims that this news will not please the Air Force of Azerbaijan. Indeed, now, according to the analyst, the Armenian Air Force has gained an advantage in the airspace of Transcaucasia, an advantage over the Azerbaijani Air Force.

At the moment, Baku has MiG-29 fighters made in the USSR and purchased mostly in Ukraine. Tagway claims that at present Azerbaijan is not able to acquire anything comparable to the Su-30SM in Russia or in the West. On what basis the mentioned blogger-analyst makes such a conclusion is not clear.

Su-30SM is a multi-purpose generation 4+ fighter designed to gain air supremacy.

Recall that Armenia is a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization.

Comments

[Thrifty]

If desired, Azerbaijan can buy Su35 from us. For cash. ..

[Oquzyurd]

Azerbaijan has had the S-300 Favorite for a long time, in addition there is the Israeli Barak-8.

[TermNachTer]

Let the Armenians try the Jewish miracle - the air defense missile system - on the "dryers". And the incentive for Azerbaijan is to arm ourselves not with Bandera scrap metal, but with modern weapons. Although on the other hand - Armenia is the size of two palms. "Dryers" will have nowhere even to "cut in" the afterburner - they will fly into a neighboring state.

[Oquzyurd]

The radars and diversity of Azerbaijan’s Air Force-Air Defense allows us to repulse attacks not only from Armenia, but from more serious countries. And the answer will be from two sides, from Nakhchivan (from the west) and from the main territory (from the east). So, these planes are not scared by Azerbaijan , from the word, completely.

[⁣⁣Geo]

Quote: Oquzyurd

The radars and diversity of Azerbaijan’s Air Force-Air Defense allows repelling attacks not only of Armenia, but of more serious countries.

The Saudis thought so too. And you have already underestimated the Armenians once. Live in peace, if our weapons are capable of ensuring parity in the Caucasus, we will assume that the goal is achieved. If Russia was going to give a military advantage to one of the parties, believe me, it would have done it without much difficulty.

[Oquzyurd]

The Saudis, the situation, the construction of air defense, US-dependent techniques, etc., all this is a different song and cannot be compared with the situation in Azerbaijan.
“And the Armenians in your country have already been underestimated once.” We have a saying that “a dog is strong when the owner is nearby” Azerbaijan did not underestimate the owner, not Armenia. Then Azerbaijan did not know about the wills of Peter the Great.
"If Russia was going to give a military advantage" The task is to keep the balance, to keep it under control. Breaking the balance, one of the parties will get out of control. So the reason is clear, all the more so, you can earn from the sale, and not let one of the parties go to the other.

[⁣⁣Geo]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Azerbaijan did not underestimate the owner

Sorry, but I see that modern Azerbaijan and Armenia have come out of the same state. Speaking in your language, their owner was common.

[Oquzyurd]

"but I see" You do not see, or do not want to see, through "I see"

[⁣⁣Geo]

Extremely thoughtful. Obviously, you didn’t have any arguments, only slogans

[Oquzyurd]

If you look at the chronology of events, it can be seen in an obvious way that (1988) the Soviet government did not put a finger on its finger in order to pacify the Armenian nationalists who demanded Azerbaijani lands. Although there was an attempt to rectify the situation later, it was too late, especially since Yeltsin came to power and put cross even the late attempt of the Soviets to pacify the nationalists (already armed) Armenians. After, Yeltsin took the side of Armenia, in everything ... although he called for an armistice in plain sight, he achieved a ceasefire in 1994, but with the occupied Azerbaijani lands, the Armenians did not withdraw. of that day, "negotiations", useless, stupid, and everyone understands that this is an imitation, to stretch the time for Armenians, to infinity. Azerbaijan counts days and years, but the figure on the Karabakh issue for Azerbaijanis is not infinite. Karabakh means much more for Azerbaijan, than the earth.

[⁣⁣Geo]

Quote: Oquzyurd

If you look at the chronology of events, you can see in an obvious way that (1988) the Soviet government did not hit finger to finger to pacify the Armenian nationalists who demanded Azerbaijani lands

If you look at the chronology of events, you can see in an obvious way that the Soviet government did not hit finger to finger to pacify Ukrainian nationalists demanding Russian lands.
Do you think that the Soviet government loved the Armenians more than anyone else and therefore took care of their territorial acquisitions, and scored it on the Russians and Azerbaijanis? So how do you do it?

[Oquzyurd]

"The Soviet government did not put a finger on its finger to pacify the Ukrainian nationalists who demanded Russian lands." When, under the USSR, Ukrainians and Russians fired at each other for Russian land? What am I missing? If you are talking about Bender tires, it was a long time ago, during the Second World War, if I am not mistaken, before 1949.
"Do you think that the Soviet government loved the Armenians more than anyone else." More than us, Azerbaijanis, for sure. (For example: Armenia with a population of 3.5 million spent 4-5 billion Soviet rubles a year, gave about 2 billion rubles a year to the central treasury. with a population of 7 million, trail was about 5-5,5 billion rubles, replenished the central treasury of 7-8 billion rubles a year. They lived like parasites and got away with it. This is in the economic sphere, but in other matters too were also spoiled) There have always been preferences in their direction, in our case, it starts from 1813 and 1828, after the Gulustan and Turkmenchay agreements.

[⁣⁣Geo]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Armenia with a population of 3.5 million spent 4-5 mln. Soviet rubles a year, gave about 2 mln. Rubles a year to the central treasury. Azerbaijan with a population of 7 mln. Spent about 5-5,5 mln rubles, replenished the central treasury 7-8 RUB mln per year

If you do not want to pass yourself know who, you should in such cases give links to sources.
Further. In a planned economy, such numbers are not an indicator. Directionally evaluate mandarin per ton of grain, and now the one who, without straining, once a year picks up the tangerines in his house, supposedly brings much more money to the country than a grain grower. Through the efforts of certain of our leaders, such a bias in procurement prices was presented at the time, including to Azerbaijan. If you are for the restoration of justice, answer when this debt to the farmers will be repaid?

[Oquzyurd]

"If you are for the restoration of justice, answer, when will you return this debt to the farmers?" Subtract fuel oil and solarium from Baku, which provided 75% of the Union's weight for 70 years, from all consumption. Tell them what they still owe for solarium. I am for justice, as you said.

[bayard]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Karabakh for Azerbaijan means much more than land.

You have good land there - you can plant trees with cuttings. Therefore, the neighbors are seen and embarrassed ...

Quote: Oquzyurd

"negotiations", useless, stupid, and everyone understands that this is an imitation, to stretch the time for Armenians, ad infinitum

But you look from the other side. When the conflict began, the standard of living in Armenia was higher than in Azerbaijan. Of course, due to the union budget and unfair distribution, but that was exactly so.
What about now?
And now Azerbaijan is an order of magnitude more successful state. And we can say that the state took place precisely.
And this despite the defeat in a vile war.
You win in peaceful construction, in the economy. Time works for you.
And Armenia has since known both the energy blockade and abandonment from former instigators and promised sponsors. It exists only thanks to the support of Russia, the supply of Russian gas, Russian loans and the Russian military base.
They failed to build a self-sufficient economy, to reconcile with their neighbors ... they became just marginalized.
For the sake of its own security, Russia needs a base in Armenia. After all, Turkey is a member of NATO.
But in recent years, relations with Turkey have improved markedly! And if this goes further, then I will not be surprised that Turkey is one of the first to enter the future Eurasian Union.
I'm serious .
And in Turkey, too, many people think ... including from Erdogan's entourage.
Do you understand what I mean?
The value of Armenia as an ally of Russia (bad I will tell you an ally) is steadily declining. And the adequacy of their leadership inspires more and more fears.
In all respects, Russia and Turkey would be more interesting long-term partners for Russia. And in the context of the creation of the Eurasian Union in the future (most likely in the format of a confederation), Armenia, in order to participate in it and not to be left face to face against Turkey and Azerbaijan, will have to resolve the conflict with Azerbaijan and return the occupied lands.
And this question can only be solved in this way.
With the complete moral and legal victory of Azerbaijan.
After all, the truth is on your side?

And it is very good that Azerbaijan refused an alliance with Israel against Iran ... But after all, it almost provided its jump airfield for the bombing of its neighbor ...
And now, if the transport corridor is launched from India through Iran, Azerbaijan and Russia to Europe, can relations really get better? Indeed, in Iran, Ayatola is an ethnic Azerbaijani. And indeed, there are three times more Azerbaijanis in Iran than in Azerbaijan itself.
Why am I doing this?
And the fact that Iran is one of the main trade partners of Armenia.
And if relations between Iran and Azerbaijan improve?
Do you know what I mean?
Forcing non-violently to peace. With refund. Territory.
And all this will be possible if your president shows wisdom. And he will become a friend and ally of our president (they already have a good relationship).
But Pashinyan will not succeed.
Even if he tries to try.
But he even "tries" so clumsy and awkward ...
Good luck in the new year !

[bayard]

Quote: Oquzyurd

We have a saying that "a dog is strong when the owner is nearby" Azerbaijan did not underestimate the owner, not Armenia. Then Azerbaijan did not know about the wills of Peter the Great.

To be honest, the initiative for the Karabakh conflict came from Armenia and she began the seizure of territories. Azerbaijan defended itself, and Gorbachev took the side of Armenia. We were all out of luck with the "owner" then. It was this bald rubbish that added fuel to the fire of interethnic conflicts.
I served then in Azerbaijan, from 88 to 91, and everything happened before my eyes.
By the way, what do you have of air defense left there, from Soviet times? At one time there was a very powerful group.
In general, after the delivery of the Su-30 to Armenia, Azerbaijan can, with a clear conscience, apply for the same Su-30s, or even Su-35s. Moreover, your side does not beg for loans, but pays with real money.

And what is this "title of Peter the Great"? Only the lazy did not write about this fake - the fake has long been debunked. And I don’t remember anything about Azerbaijan or Armenia.
We all lived in the same country, and I did not hear about stepsons in it, everyone was equal, at least in opportunities. And Gorbachev was definitely not the successor of Peter-1. He worked for British intelligence. From a youth. Since his student years recruited.
So I wish you in the New Year at least to order (and get approval for the delivery) of your batch of modern aircraft - solely for the sake of parity and balance. But do not fight. And at the same time, at least in the future, to return their seized territories. But in a peaceful way.

[⁣⁣Geo]

Quote: bayard

To be honest, the Karabakh conflict initiative came from Armenia

To be honest, we need to recall all the gifted figures who cut the territory of the republics without knowledge of the past and ideas about the future. There are Crimea, Donbass, Armenia with Azerbaijan, and Russian cities surrendered to Kazakhstan, and all of Central Asia, and so on / and the like.
It was then that all future conflicts were laid. And if we add here the "voluntary" principle of joining the Union, which was not used after only a few decades to collapse it, then we can only guess whose spies were the people who made these decisions - who gave, so to speak, an assist to the notorious Gorbachev.

[Oquzyurd]

"There is Crimea, and Donbass, and Armenia with Azerbaijan, and Russian cities given to Kazakhstan, and in the whole of Central Asia, and so on / and so on." Here we were talking about a specific conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Why did you bring everyone here? Then there are hundreds of other lands and conflicts, let's also add to this mess. This is blowing smoke in the eyes, they call it.

[⁣⁣Geo]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Why

Then, that this illustrates a rule for which the Karabakh conflict is no exception. Everything is just so strange that you ask

[bayard]

[quote = ⁣⁣Geo] one can only guess whose spies were the people who made these decisions - who gave, so to speak, an assist to the notorious Gorbachev.
So Putin has already said about this again. Stalin insisted on the restoration of a single state under a new name - the RSFSR, and Lenin insisted on a certain USSR with the right to withdraw from it, which laid mines (including the outline of the borders - then administrative, and later became state ones). The mere appearance of Kazakhstan in 1935 is worth something! A new republic and a new "people" - Kazakhs (Kyrgyz and refugees from East Turkestan) were invented from the Cossack camp ...
Whose spies were Trotsky, Zinoviev and the darkness of others is known. Stalin was not a spy, the country was saved.

[Oquzyurd]

"To be honest, the initiative for the Karabakh conflict came from Armenia and she started the seizure of territories." Thank you for your honesty. Rather, we are approximately the same age. Everything happened before our eyes, we remember everything as yesterday.
"And Gorbachev was definitely not a successor to the work of Peter-1" I agree. But he obeyed his Armenian advisers (and Sakharov, the husband of Elena Bonner, who is Gevork Sarkisovich Alikhanyan's daughter), portraying a Westernizer and a minister of new values ​​for the Soviet people. about the Armenian diaspora in the USA and France, he listened to the opinion of pro-Armenian senators. As a result, he screwed up, allowed this conflict. Too late realized that everything leads not only to blood in a local conflict, but to serve as a catalyst for the collapse of the USSR. I tried to rectify the situation, but so I dismissed everything, that it was too late. About the rest in addition (Today, 23:19)

[bayard]

Gorbachev was not mistaken and did not go about it; he deliberately fomented ethnic conflicts, discredited the army and ruined the state. He was an English spy from his student years and this is a medical fact. His case was conducted by the investigator for particularly important cases of the KGB of the USSR, but Andropov covered him and, with the aim of removing him from the investigation, brought him to the Central Committee and then to the Politburo, after which they ordered the case to be terminated. But there were very serious things hanging on it ...
At the rallies in Yerevan, Armenians burned Soviet passports back in the mid-80s, you can recall the explosion of a goose barrow (they used a cast-iron goose barrow as a shell) in the Moscow metro ... Not only the United States and the French diaspora, but also Israel, beat up such demarches caches with Uzi machine guns, explosives, and equipment were found in Karabakh during searches. One can recall the attempt of a terrorist attack on an oil and gas pipeline to Armenia, which was attempted by Armenian saboteurs who landed on the territory of southwestern Azerbaijan on two helicopters ... I myself took part in preventing this atrocity, they literally didn’t have a couple of minutes to complete what they had planned - they were frightened off two of our helicopters (Mi-24) sent to intercept. But they had already tied up pipes with explosives, but did not have time to connect the detonators, they remained there lying in a backpack nearby. And these saboteurs fled from the crime scene to Stepanakert and sat right in the square - into the crowd, fleeing the persecution. And fled. They didn’t manage to bring them down because they had already caught up with the city, although permission was given.
So, not only Gorbachev, but also the USA, England and their satellites covered the Armenian terrorists. The Azerbaijani side could not be found in the union leadership. And in the future only the Turks supported you.
If Aliyev behaves wisely, then in the medium term everything can be decided without war - they will have to give land. If you try to resolve the matter by military means, put Russia in a difficult position - Armenia is a member of the CSTO and there are bilateral agreements, and only exacerbate your situation. But Aliyev is a wise politician. And he had a good teacher - his father.

[TermNachTer]

The Arabs also thought about the same, until recent events - then a harsh reality came. Moreover, I want to note that the Saudi air defense system, at least "on paper", looks much more powerful than Azerbaijan - there are even "AWACs". So, as the saying goes: "The blind man said - we'll see."

[Arberes]

Quote: TermNachTER

Armenia is the size of two palms. "Dryers" will have nowhere even to "cut in" the afterburner - they will fly into a neighboring state.

I also thought about it. Is it not excessive power for a country like Armenia? Would you put a MiG-29SMT?

[bayard]

Quote: Arberes

Is it not excessive power for a country like Armenia? Would you put a MiG-29SMT?

They also need to guard against Turkey. But a heavy fighter for such a patch of mountainous land ... is certainly redundant.

[⁣⁣Geo]

Quote: bayard

also from Turkey

The support of the Armenians is not much stronger.

[cost]

Quote: Pied Piper

Quote: Thrifty

If desired, Azerbaijan can buy Su35 from us. For cash. ..

S-300 let them buy hehe heh To have parity!
Waiting for an order

They need to put up. And solve controversial issues, And not measure your muscles

[Seal]

They need to put up. And resolve contentious issues,

Manilovism. This conflict in itself will never resolve. It is possible to make peace there only when one of the parties gives up their dreams: the Armenians will refuse that Karabakh will forever become Armenian, the Azerbaijanis will refuse to regain the occupied territories (including Karabakh).
And everyone knows that. For me - so it is necessary to turn off the light in the Caucasus and let them calmly fight one on one, well, at least for a month. Then turn on the light and see who won. If nobody again - we return all disputed territories to Persia.
Otherwise, this sluggish cold war, which annually takes hundreds of lives on both sides, will last forever.
Let’s better fight well now. And God forbid, they also acquire vigorous weapons. Here the whole region will have a problem.

[⁣⁣Geo]

Quote: Seal

For me - so it’s necessary to turn off the light in the Caucasus and let them calmly fight one on one well, at least for a month

Do you offer to promote genocide?

[Arberes]

Quote: Rich

They need to put up. And resolve contentious issues,

Karabakh does not. The conflict is frozen and only, there is no solution to this issue yet ... and it is not expected to my deepest regret!

[Oquzyurd]

"Azerbaijan, if desired, can buy Su35 from us. For cash." Yes, of course, this is why the sale of these planes to Armenians was started. BUT, each business has its own limits, beyond which the rear is not good. I want to say that these techniques, up to a certain point, cannot be abused. Azerbaijan can buy foreign planes, for cash, in return for such gifts to the invaders of the Azerbaijani lands. Then, the Russian Federation will lose money, since it was sold to the Armenians on credit, that is, for free, and it also lost a client with money.

[kjhg]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Azerbaijan can buy foreign planes, for cash

Most likely, this will happen. Azerbaijan is already purchasing more weapons in other countries.

[bayard]

Jeyhun, you’re contradicting yourself. If the credit was given to the Armenians for the purchase of airplanes, for the sake of being able to sell to Azerbaijan (which he requested), then everything goes exactly to such a decision. Do you really think that we can sell only one side of the conflict? Now is not the time to build a grudge, especially since the solution to your sore topic about the return of the occupied territories is possible only with the help and mediation of Russia.
After all, was there a proposal to resolve this issue within the framework of the future (possible) Eurasian Union? But if such an agreement were signed, Armenia would have been obliged (!) To return all the occupied territories, except for Nagorno-Karabakh itself, the fate of which would be decided by either a referendum or an exchange. But at the same time, it suits both sides. If Armenia didn’t sign such an agreement, it would remain alone, outside the EAC. And without (!) The support of Russia.
So I would sign it. And you would regain yours.
But now all movements along the EAC are frozen. I hope not for long.
So buy planes, but not for war, but for the sake of safety ... And the prestige of your aircraft. And resolve territorial disputes within the framework of the future EAC. In which Turkey will most likely also be a member.

[Chaldon48]

If there is oil, then there is money

[Camille]

Why do we need a Su-35?

[bayard]

And it is up to Aliev to decide.
If so, Erdogan is eyeing them. And your president showed interest in these aircraft.

[svp67]

Foreign expert: Armenian air forces gained an advantage over Azerbaijani air forces

The Su-30 aircraft is good and in confrontation with the MiG-29, which has not been upgraded since the end of the XNUMXs, it is certainly better, but here are where these planes will be located, at what distance from the borders and whether their places of deployment are in the radius of destruction of Azerbaijan’s fire weapons.

[wmn5500]

So that’s the whole point that no matter where they are located, they turn out to be!

[Oquzyurd]

"and whether their places of deployment turn out to be within the radius of destruction of Azerbaijan's fire weapons." They will turn out to be from the Nakhchivan territory of Azerbaijan, at a glance, the whole territory of Armenia. There is also "Barak-8" in the ranks of Azerbaijan's air defense, just in case.

[svp67]

Quote: Oquzyurd

There is also "Barak-8" in the ranks of Azerbaijan's air defense, just in case.

Well, the Su-30 is not unarmed against these missiles in the air, but on the ground ...

[Camille]

And what on earth? Armenians can fight and win when the enemy is weak. We have already seen their "strength" in 2015,2016,2017 and 2018. Ohanyan's leaky line

[vladcub]

Then why do you need fighters? On day X, all the Armenian aviation "in the crib" whack and all

[Oquzyurd]

In any case, aviation is needed. We live in a not calm world, and the enemy must always feel, know that actions will not pass without surrender.

[Camille]

How do you know that our twigs have not been modernized?

[svp67]

Quote: Camille

How do you know that our twigs have not been modernized?

Well, who, when and where did it?

[Camille]

But I didn’t say that I know everything myself. I asked this question to you .... and as for the modernization of our twins, then believe me in the words of the Azerbaijani twins upgraded ..

[svp67]

Quote: Camille

then believe me in the words of the Azerbaijani migrants modernized ..

In what year and on what basis? "On the knee" you cannot make a real modernization.

[⁣⁣Geo]

Quote: Camille

Azerbaijani migrants modernized

How do you know that?

[Observer2014]

Foreign expert: Armenian air forces gained an advantage over Azerbaijani air forces

Who are we rooting for?
Work buddy of course for "Ararat-nasch" I, on his helmet at his urgent request, did it Marker

[Amateur]

World-famous foreign analyst Babak Tagway

And Aunt Motya (an old woman from a shop at the entrance) said that the Air Force Côte D Ivoire or Tongo (she doesn't remember exactly) would tear the Air Force together AA "like a hot water bottle"

[wmn5500]

Prior to this, the most modern military air equipment of this Transcaucasian country were Su-27 fighters, purchased in the 2000s.

This analyst comes out with little sense in the potential of the Armenian Air Force! What did he say there? Su-27 ?! What Su-27 Armenia fighter aircraft did not have at all. Then you can no longer read! Fake expert with fake data and conclusions !!!

[Camille]

I completely agree with you. Article: "0"

[Vita vko]

Contradictions and conflicts in the circle of Azerbaijan, Nagorno-Karabakh, Armenia and Turkey in this region benefit only one country, the United States and its protege in the region of Georgia. It is no secret that it was the CIA units that financed in the late 80s and early 90s mercenary units that organized provocations on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border. And the conflict was not extinguished by far by UN Security Council resolutions, but by special units that caught and destroyed gangs of provocateurs.

[Lekxnumx]

Until a certain time, the ground-based air defense of Armenia leveled Az-n’s advantage in air assets (due to their limited number and subsonic quality in the form of the SU-25). But since the systems are outdated and missiles are not produced in the Russian Federation for early modifications of even Soviet equipment. Armenia faced the problem of the complete conquest of dominance by Az. Mr.. And given that Az has a radar field that goes beyond its borders, not only the Soviet / Russian technology but also the decimeter Green pin. The Air Force, if properly modified, could receive operational information and plan missions due to changing Armenia was forced to buy modern aircraft, unlike the Az-in, ground-based air defense was not modernized at an accelerated pace. Due to a lack of money, but if Az-an buys the same JF-17s weaker in characteristics than the Su-30SM, it will be able to return advantage. The explanation is simple, the plane never fights with the plane in a duel, various nuances play a huge role. And so in All these comparisons of the characteristics of fighters cause laughter among specialists. In my air defense, in my humble opinion, the amateur will almost always have parity in this theater of operations. And missile weapons do not change the weather, all these bravado about the OTRK and RZSO Iskander, Polonaises, Laura, Smerch, Kasyrga , WM-80, Scud, Tochka-U, etc. is ridiculous, I think there is no need to explain, look at the dependence of these countries on suppliers. The point in this conflict will be artillery and infantry.

[Georgievic]

Bullshit all this! Peace negotiations and friendship and cooperation agreements should put an end to it. Neighbors after all.

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: Georgievic

Bullshit all this! Peace negotiations and friendship and cooperation agreements should put an end to it. Neighbors after all.

Bullshit is precisely the childhood hope that the sword won by the tongue can be returned, the history of mankind almost does not know such examples. If I personally were for it, but both sides consider these lands to be theirs. All right, let's share what the Communists say, but the shed blood and bloodsheds will not be allowed to do. Point of no return passed

[Camille]

Point of no return: these are HODJAILS

[Yeraz]

Quote: Camille

Point of no return: these are HODJAILS

nonsense. The Azerbaijani people quickly forget and forgive. The last 30 years of independence are proof of this.

[Camille]

No brother, this is not forgiven and not forgotten.

[⁣⁣Geo]

Quote: Camille

No brother, this is not forgiven and not forgotten

In my house there lived several of your families, refugees from that war. In our company, Russians, Azerbaijanis and Armenians communicated together. And we still communicate, on occasion. Not any hostility. So after all, they are directly affected. And your enmity is not the result of memory, but the result of not far propaganda, whose uncomplicated messages we read in this topic.
The only solution here is to turn off the zombie creature and start thinking with your own head. While Russia is the guarantor of that world, you will be brave only in words on pages of forums like this.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Camille

No brother, this is not forgiven and not forgotten.

yes for you, for me, but for the heap of the rest of the rams, if this did not directly affect him all this to one place. This is not a war in Turkey during Ataturk, when blood touched EVERY family. There was little intensity in the Karabakh conflict, there was no nationwide participation, there were no big victims, although every Shaheed is ours.

[MstislavHrabr]

If you wish, you can distinguish these territories as mandated by the CIS or other interstate structure ... And that’s it, the conflict has been settled. But who will do it ...

[vladcub]

Su30SM of course the plane is good, but for such an aircraft we need trained pilots and good aircraft mechanics. Is all this in Armenia?

[Alien From]

Azerbaijanis have run out of money, the western market is open, ours is open, but for some reason, they don’t rush to us with their wallets open ...... what's the matter ??

[Oquzyurd]

In 2013 and 2016, Azerbaijan wanted, offered to buy airplanes from the Russian Federation, refused. After that, Azerbaijan began to look for options and agreed with Pakistan to purchase the J-17 B3 and Italians to buy Leonardo. Then, seeing that the client was leaving, the Russian Federation began to offer airplanes, but it was too late. Here is a chronology of events. Now there are chances that Azerbaijan will order SU-57.2020 it will be more visible.

[Arberes]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Now there are chances that Azerbaijan will order SU-57

This is how many years will have to wait ?????

[Yeraz]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Now there is a chance that Azerbaijan will order the SU-57.

No chance.
1. This is a redundant aircraft in every sense of the word for this theater.
2. The capacities of the Russian Federation do not allow it to be done enough for themselves, not to mention export
3.In consequence of recent events, and so the epic with the Su-57 will be further extended

[bayard]

Quote: Yeraz

3.In consequence of recent events, and so the epic with the Su-57 will be further extended

That’s their choice - either quickly and the Su-35, or wait for the Su-57, but only after delivery to the Russian Air Force and under a contract to Algeria.

[Yeraz]

Quote: bayard

That’s their choice - either quickly and the Su-35, or wait for the Su-57, but only after delivery to the Russian Air Force and under a contract to Algeria.

They were planning to buy Su -57 in a quantity of 76 until 2028, given that the first one will be received in 2019.
The first one fell, the terms will definitely move. To Azerbaijan, what to buy Su-2030 in 57 ??
And secondly, for such a small country on a territory such as Azerbaijan, the Su-35 and Su-57 are too redundant. The feasibility is zero.
most likely they will buy Chinese Jf, that's all.

[bayard]

This is redundant for the Su-30 for Armenia. And Azerbaijan has more territory, and the Caspian sea for flights in stock. In Soviet times, an air defense regiment based on the MiG-25 was based in Nasosnaya (northern Baku) and rarely flew scheduled flights outside Azerbaijan.
Azerbaijan has money and the best choice for them is Su-35. China cannot offer an equivalent.

[Yeraz]

Quote: bayard

In Soviet times, an air defense regiment based on the MiG-25 was based in Nasosnaya (northern Baku) and rarely flew scheduled flights outside Azerbaijan.

Only right now Azerbaijan is 20% less. And the heavy Su-35 will obviously be too much for this territory and for such an enemy as Armenia.

Quote: bayard

Azerbaijan has money and the best choice for them is Su-35

In general, the situation itself is absurd when Azerbaijan purchases weapons from the Russian Federation, which is an ally of the strategic adversary. Russian weapons should be minimized. But led by a graduate of MGIMO, we must still be glad that he did not eliminate independence and did not become part of the Russian Federation as a subject of the Russian Federation .

[bayard]

Quote: Yeraz

Only right now Azerbaijan is 20% less.

The southwestern regions were lost, and there the MiG-25 pumping aircraft practically did not fly.

[Camille]

So offer us competitive products. And why should we buy something from you?

[Paul Siebert]

Both Azerbaijan and Armenia will be part of the new Russian state.
This is the only way to resolve the long-standing Karabakh conflict.
The only and inevitable.
The sooner the better.

[Camille]

You’ll see it.

[Paul Siebert]

Do you want Camille?
And I have to ...

[Camille]

I’m not a camille, I think you have an orientation ...

[ZAV69]

This is a fantastic option that will never be. Both in Armenia and in Azerbaijan there is an elite who wants to steer independently and will not tolerate anyone over themselves.

[Arberes]

Quote: Paul Siebert

Both Azerbaijan and Armenia will be part of the new Russian state.

Do we need it? Again "brotherhood" and a common stable for all who are near our borders? Remember how the experiments of the Bolsheviks ended and where is the USSR now?

Quote: Paul Siebert

This is the only way to resolve the long-standing Karabakh conflict.

Well, yes, again, put other people's problems on your sinewy Russian neck.

[Seal]

With tongue removed. Well, I’m not against Azerbaijan entering with its oil, and most importantly, my geopolitical position. For then, as in the days of the USSR, if we make friends with Iran (and now everything goes to that) - our two countries (Russia, which includes Azerbaijan and Iran) will cover all of Eurasia from the Arctic Ocean to the Indian.
And why do we need Armenia?
He and Georgia during the USSR for each ruble given to the Union budget received 25-29 rubles from the Union budget. The Union budget was essentially filled by the RSFSR and Belarus.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Arberes

We need it?

The gift of the poet is to caress and scribble,
Fatal stamp on it.
Rose white with a black toad
I wanted to marry on earth ... drop politics my friend ... take a pen ...

[Arberes]

Quote: Aerodrome

quit politics my friend ... take a pen ...

But how can politics be without VO? I would like to share my thoughts with respected colleagues about our homeland. My opinion is confirmed by the lines of the Russian poet Nikolai Alekseevich Nekrasov.
- You may not be a poet,
But a citizen must be!
In general ... one does not interfere with the other. Thanks for the conversation, Buddy Aerodrome

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Arberes

Thanks for the conversation, Buddy Aerodromny

always at your service sir ...

[Yeraz]

Quote: Paul Siebert

The sooner the better.

Russia is shaking from the North Caucasian Muslim population and not everyone is happy with the Armenian dominance in the South, and then another 10 million Muslims and 1.5 million Armenians will not improve the situation.

[Paul Siebert]

Are you from Yerevan?

[Yeraz]

Quote: Paul Siebert

Are you from Yerevan?

not from the city, but from the region itself.

[Paul Siebert]

Got it, salute!

[Oquzyurd]

Some offer 85 millionth Muslim Muslim Turkey accepted In this respect, Paul Siebert lags behind these people with fantasies.

[Camille]

The essence of the matter is nothing. The Armenians themselves know that the airspace of Armenia does not allow the Su-30 to use its full potential. Even Russia itself has an instant M-102 at the 29nd base. So this is the story of the Su-30 it's all for Pashinyan for public relations .... and as for the Air Force of Azerbaijan, now we have a moment, and air defense completely covers and covers not only its airspace.

[Kuzmitsky]

But Pashinyan sat beautifully in the cockpit.

[VyacheSeymour]

Well, to get superiority over the 14th MiG29 and the 30th Su25, I think 12 and there will be not enough Dryers.
Another problem is that Azerbaijan declares its right to return Karabakh. And the appearance of the Armenian Su30 in the sky above it will inevitably cause a blow to Armenia, and it will
is it necessary? - because Baku has total superiority in ground means of destruction.

[Sarcasm]

Damn, that's how many people do not want to work - all the experts went Who needs the Su-35, Su-57 there? ... Armenia has no choice, only we need a freebie, only the Su from the new one, well, or our MiGs could have transferred them from the base in Armenia itself, since they just went through modernization. Azerbaijan has a wider choice, they can buy ours, and Chinese, and the French, and mattresses began to sell them weapons indirectly. They chose Sino-Pakistani fighters a long time ago, were waiting for an improved model, once Sarkozy rode to them offering French fighters and air defense systems. But a small and inexpensive Sino-Pakistani fighter with AFAR and new Chinese missiles is optimal for this theater of operations in all respects. Moreover, they have strong anti-aircraft defense and will still strengthen, and do not go to the fortuneteller who the Belarusian BUKs are for, they will go after the Polonaise to the same address. They have more than Su-25, documentation was bought from Georgians, engines are being taken from us, Israel is apparently helping with avionics, having worked out Scorpion still on Su-25. They will buy 24-25 cars for inexpensive, and they are more appropriate there than the heavy Su-30, -35, -57.
“Comrades are on the right path,” only the Georgians left us, the Armenians were just about the right thing to see the mattresses holding the largest embassy in Transcaucasia there, and Azerbaijan has long been an ally of Turkey, they only retain their visible loyalty to us, but they’re unlikely to forget who we supported in the war against them ...

[Camille]

I fully support.

[Seal]

Quote: ⁣⁣Geo

Do you offer to promote genocide?

In vain you throw such terrible words. Otherwise, this conflict cannot be resolved. Or do you have a concrete proposal on how to do without war? Well, voice it.