What is not visible in the moonlight?

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Seeing the passing year, I want to talk about the results for our space program. The year, as our president will say in a couple of days, was not easy, the year was difficult. The enterprises were in a fever, in general, the whole space industry was shaking so weakly. Projects were born, died, crumbled to dust and dust, but nevertheless, we should probably talk about the steps in space exploration that have been taken.

China has made a significant step. His plan for the exploration of the moon was correct and clearly worked out. Not only were they brought, they also successfully landed their Chang'e 4 lunar rover on the far side of the moon.



It was possible to congratulate the Chinese conquerors of the universe, they were the first who could do this.

Others were eager for the Moon, just some Year of the Moon turned out, but alas, the Israeli spacecraft Beresheet and the Indian Chandrayaan-2 crashed on the surface of the satellite.

However, the road will be overpowered by the one who walks, or, if we say, using the folklore of the winners, “the journey of a thousand begins with one step.”

Few people succeed the first time. But let's see, apparently, the Indian and Israeli flags on the lunar surface are a matter of time.

It would be interesting to talk about the Russian lunar program if ... however, okay.

Fast forward to Mars. The benefit of the flight of thought allows.

On Mars, the Americans rule the ball. Yes, they lost one rover, “Opportunity”, the connection with which was broken during the Martian dust storm last year, and it was not possible to restore it. NASA explained that the rover could not recharge the batteries, probably the solar panels were damaged or clogged with dust.


“Opportunity” was debited, although it actually worked much more than the planned 90 days.

Currently, the Mars rover "Curiosity", which landed in August 2012, is still operating on Mars.


Plus, the stationary geophysical mission Interior Exploration using Seismic Investigations, Geodesy and Heat Transport (InSight), which appeared on the plain of Elysius in November 2018.


In general, the USA on Mars feels, if not at home, then quite freely. Master slowly.

We are up to them, unfortunately ... as before Mars.

Flying further? We are flying. Next we have asteroids. And on the asteroids - the Japanese.

More precisely, a full-fledged representative of Japan, the interplanetary station Hayabusa 2, which operated until November in orbit around the Ryugu asteroid. The Japanese probe landed on the surface of the asteroid and even bombed it from orbit. A natural explosive bomb to simulate a collision with another celestial body.


Moreover, "Hayabusa 2" was able to collect the fragments formed during the explosion and is now carrying them to Earth.

It is probably worth noting separately that even at the beginning of the Hayabusa 2 mission, a pair of mini-robotslaunched from the probe, made the first stories successful soft landing on an asteroid. Including robots took photographs of the surface and transmitted them to the probe.

The distance from Earth to Ryugu is approximately 280 kilometers.

This is exclusively for management issues. Hayabusa 2 robots undocked from the machine, landed in a given area, took a photo and transmitted them. Well, for mini-robots - a very wonderful job.

Of course, they are very far from the Russian android Fedi, who "worked" on the ISS. Slightly less, of course, than 280 million kilometers, but still.

The Americans here (in the sense, in the asteroid belt) are also present. Their OSIRIS-REx device arrived at the asteroid Benoit and is also doing something there.


And finally, what we are traditionally strong at. Or we think that they are traditionally strong. That is manned manned flights.

The outgoing 2019 was marked by many events. The first is the flight of the SpaceX Crew Dragon, which took off, flew to the ISS, docked to the American Harmony module, then was undocked and returned to Earth.

The mission set out to verify all the components and systems of the ship and was recognized as successful.


In general, this mission actually means the loss by Russia of a monopoly on the delivery of astronauts to the ISS. It is worth noting that one astronaut brought to the ISS replenished the budget of Roscosmos by $ 80 million. Apparently, someone will have to tighten their belts.

But this is only half the battle. The second half is the American Starliner from Boeing, which, although it could not catch the ISS and dock to it due to a software error, it demonstrated that it is able to go into orbit, fly there and fall back.

Americans are generally strong in their competition. "Boeing" no less than SpaceX, I would like to nibble on the space budget, so I’m sure that the programmers will be punished tolerantly and forced to fix all the flaws. And the Starliner will fly, or rather, learn to fly to the ISS. He already knows the rest.

What about us? How do we look?

We look great. The role of "bombing" on the "sixes" is our everything. Let instead of “shokhi” we have the “Union”, which is only fifty years old, the main thing is that we once were ahead of everyone. And this must be remembered, proud and all that.

No, of course, one must be proud of the feat of the Queen and Gagarin. It’s just that the past will not fly far, alas, and today's day is a vivid example of this. While all progressive countries are exploring the Moon, Mars, flying on asteroids, we regularly carry Americans to the ISS and supply them with everything necessary. Reducing its presence, since there is nowhere specifically for us to work there, there are no extra places on the ISS in scientific modules.

Meanwhile, only “shokha”, aka “Union”, remains for us. With the former “Federation” or, in a new way, “Eagle”, everything is still complicated.

The spacecraft is very expensive, very heavy, and there is really no launch vehicle for it, that is, we cannot fly to the moon, it’s expensive to the ISS. Because "Union", and this is where all the achievements end.

I would love to talk about achievements, honestly. Already I foresee how especially rabid patriots will blame me for this, but what should I do? What can one be proud of if American, Japanese, Indian, Chinese and any flag other than Russian are on all human achievements?

I honestly tried to find at least something. Found.

Launch of the Russian-German Observatory "Spectrum-RG" ("Spectrum-X-ray-Gamma"). It was launched in July after a bunch of transfers from the Baikonur Cosmodrome. But in the end they launched it. This is a useful thing, considering that the last time we successfully launched something already in 2011. It was a Spektr-R radio telescope.

And "Spectrum-RG" will allow you to do a full review of the sky in the x-ray range.


But even here there is a fly in the ointment, alas. The multipurpose Navigator platform is produced by the Lavochkin Design Bureau. Our. The ART-XC telescope also seems to be ours. But ... domestic mirrors were poorly made, so it was impossible to use them.

Helped out ... right, the Americans!

At the Marshall Space Center (submission to NASA, USA), mirrors were made for the Russian telescope. With them he flew to the place of service.

Actually, that’s all. I would very much like to talk about the achievements of the Russian cosmonautics, but it’s not at all my fault that all the achievements today consist in renaming everything in a row: ships, factories and the like. Alas.

In the meantime, Mr. Rogozin and the company are having fun with games with the former Soviet legacy, it remains for us with quiet sadness to observe how American, European, Chinese, Japanese and other (not Russian) ships plow the open spaces of the Solar System.

And console yourself with the phrase "But we were the first."

Only twenty years later at such a pace of “development” with consolation this will be very weak.

And yes, back to the headline. So what is not visible in the moonlight? That's right, at least some achievements of the Russian cosmonautics. True, they cannot be distinguished even in the sun. Unfortunately.
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  1. -18
    3 January 2020 06: 08
    It's not a matter of fact - who overtook whom, and where they flew, right? Otherwise, it will be just a pointless and super-costly race. Which will allow all "not indifferent" to immediately raise a howl, they say, so much money in the moon (for example), swelled, while our grandmothers / doctors / teachers (the list is endless) ...
    1. +36
      3 January 2020 06: 43
      Well ok, no race. What do grandmothers / teachers / doctors have there?
      1. +3
        3 January 2020 11: 27
        Well ok, no race.


        What makes you think that there is no race? There is a race in everything from military equipment to the production of plastic dishes if you want.
        1. +6
          3 January 2020 11: 32
          Quote: krops777
          What makes you think that there is no race?

          I read Rogozin.

          MOSCOW, May 28 - RIA Novosti. Russia should not participate in the lunar race with the United States as it did during the Cold War, Dmitry Rogozin, general director of Roscosmos, said in an interview with RIA Novosti. "It seems to me that it makes no sense for us to participate in the moon race according to the model that was during the Cold War."
          https://ria.ru/20190528/1554972957.html
          1. +6
            3 January 2020 11: 37
            I read Rogozin.


            Rogozin to listen to disrespect yourself, the collapse of the USSR, the mess in the 90s cost us dearly, to catch up and catch up with such a pace of GDP.
            1. +17
              3 January 2020 11: 42
              Quote: krops777
              Rogozin listen disrespect yourself
              But Roscosmos is led by him.
            2. Alf
              +13
              3 January 2020 12: 48
              Quote: krops777
              Rogozin to listen to disrespect yourself, the collapse of the USSR, the mess in the 90s cost us dearly, to catch up and catch up with such a pace of GDP.

              And who supports such a pace of GDP? Isn’t that the Unspoken and his friends?
              1. -3
                3 January 2020 13: 39
                Do you have effective solutions to dramatically raise Russia's GDP? In fact, everything is not as simple as it seems.
                1. Alf
                  +14
                  3 January 2020 13: 43
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  Do you have effective solutions to dramatically raise Russia's GDP? In fact, everything is not as simple as it seems.

                  Yes, you’re right, it’s much easier to sell everything and then do innocent eyes. And what can we do, it’s private and does not obey the state.
                  And on the first point, so maybe still start investing in your economy, rather than feed the US economy?
                  This is what happened in Samara last year. Gazelists raised the fare from 30 to 35 rubles, complaints rained down, but the mercenary answered, private owners said they wanted to do something, the city could not do anything.
                  1. +2
                    3 January 2020 14: 19
                    And she is right, the city "cannot" do anything - capitalism. Everything is privatized and brings profit to the owners. The city is also the owner. And it won't.
                  2. Alf
                    +5
                    3 January 2020 15: 02
                    Quote: Alf
                    And on the first point, so maybe still start investing in your economy, rather than feed the US economy?

                    So is it really bad for you if there are long loans with a low interest rate?
                  3. -5
                    3 January 2020 18: 01
                    What to sell - part of the shares, is not the sale of everything, but the attraction of investments. "Gazelists have raised prices in Samara" - Why is there no public transport there? On private minibuses, the owners have the right to raise prices and the Mayor of the city is where?
                    1. Alf
                      +5
                      3 January 2020 18: 58
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      And what public transport is not there?

                      Only trams and trolleybuses are owned by the city. Everything else is given to the private trader.
                      It was the mayor who arranged the whole sale.
                    2. +17
                      3 January 2020 23: 23
                      Tell me. Why do you need investments if a trillion has not been spent in the budget? What are these investments? Where are the investments? Who is the investment from? If you are an adult, stop already referring to "investments".
                      Our government has a budget, our Duma has the power to pass laws. But the conversation is only about investment. Moreover, the word does not mean anything. Is that why everything is so bad? There is simply no investment. And everything immediately becomes clear. It's nobody's fault. No investment. And what about the government? And everyone is satisfied with the work of the Government; it honestly earned bonuses. That would be a little investment ...
                      And yes, by the way! Sanctions! There are still sanctions! That's it. Well, what we wanted, wanted, but suddenly sanctions ...
                      1. -4
                        3 January 2020 23: 45
                        Russia has 50% depreciation of all fixed assets — 86 trillion rubles are needed for all this, plus the budget expenditures for all items each year, therefore, investments will definitely not be superfluous.
                      2. +3
                        3 January 2020 23: 48
                        Investments then involve the withdrawal of profits. That is, after investment, the situation will improve briefly, and then fail even deeper. Where do you want to invest?
                      3. +3
                        4 January 2020 02: 46
                        It's hard to argue with a chimera. Investment is one of the "economics" chimeras
                      4. Alf
                        +2
                        4 January 2020 16: 57
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        therefore, investments will definitely not be redundant.

                        Before attracting foreign investment, it would be nice to start with your own.
                  4. +8
                    3 January 2020 23: 49
                    The state can reduce the burden on medium and small businesses (even introduce tax holidays for 3 years), make large investments in infrastructure, for example.
                    Leave most of the taxes in the regions, stopping the practice of exemption of almost everything, with subsequent distribution at will. (So ​​offhand.)
                    Reduce the share of excise duty in the price of fuel (now it is more than half), which will reduce the prices of both transportation and goods, products.
                  5. 0
                    9 January 2020 00: 09
                    Quote: Alf
                    so maybe still start investing in your economy, rather than feed the US economy?

                    Do you really think it's just a matter of "wanting"? That the authorities do not understand, that they themselves would be calmer and more comfortable if the economy was developing normally, investments would go into production, etc.? What do they just want to - "feed the US economy"?
                    1. -10
                      9 January 2020 00: 15
                      A plus.

                      Alf is an old all-propeller, besides - illiterate. He then eats local info from stasiks, and from those - a training manual ...

                      Do not feed, it will die itself.
                2. 0
                  3 January 2020 17: 19
                  Yes, the most important thing here is not to disturb the swamp. And then some comfortable frog do not like it.
                3. -5
                  4 January 2020 12: 11
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  Do you have effective solutions to dramatically raise Russia's GDP?

                  Easy. Just change the pricing of the currency basket. The dollar should become so expensive that it would be more profitable to produce consumer goods at home
                  1. +6
                    4 January 2020 12: 28
                    Already done in 2014. Didn't help. It is not profitable to produce here in principle: too large and heavy caps. investments that are difficult to save when they come to you for "share".
                    1. -4
                      4 January 2020 12: 45
                      Quote: bk0010
                      Already done in 2014. It did not help.

                      so you need to do this regularly .....
                      1. +4
                        4 January 2020 18: 01
                        You will do it regularly - for the ruble they will give in the face. Do you like with Gaidar?
                      2. -6
                        4 January 2020 20: 42
                        Quote: bk0010
                        Do you like with Gaidar?

                        as under Stalin smile
                      3. -3
                        4 January 2020 21: 05
                        Quote: bk0010
                        You will do it regularly - for the ruble they will give in the face. Do you like with Gaidar?

                        let's complement? - This must be done regularly and systematically. The released currency, from the fall in demand for it, due to the high cost, should be sent to import conservation, to the backlog of Cosmos ... for example, designing a nuclear engine for a spacecraft, designing its own CNC machines, purchasing the best specialists (as Stalin said) abroad ... .. In the face they will give if there is no prospect, and if you show it, then the people will endure and pull everything
                      4. +5
                        4 January 2020 22: 00
                        Currency will not be freed up: everyone will convert savings into foreign currency, all trade will again be "in barter or for hard currency". It is necessary to do it either as in the USSR (no currency, the import is minimal and expensive, it is strictly distributed) or not at all.
                      5. +2
                        15 January 2020 10: 31
                        You will not free the currency.
                        You will get cheaper domestic labor if you nominate it in foreign currency ..
                        The volume of foreign exchange earnings is determined by external contracts, and from the fact that we will periodically drop the ruble below the plinth, they will not pay more expensive (in dollars) for our oil.
                        In fact, a strong devaluation of the domestic currency is a receipt in the inability to competently manage their economy in stable conditions, a desire to earn money on the impoverishment of their people, reduce their purchasing power, and cheapen their labor.
                        The outflow of competent specialists will increase even more, gray schemes and illegal imports will intensify.
                        Of course, we can proceed to the model of the USSR, when, in principle, the exchange rate of the domestic currency is set, not at auction, but declaratively, a ban on currency circulation, storage, but then the borders will have to be closed, and so on.
                        Only we will not last as long as the USSR.
                      6. 0
                        15 January 2020 11: 11
                        Quote: Venya Selnikov
                        Only we will not last as long as the USSR.

                        +++ this is just debatable
                      7. +1
                        15 January 2020 11: 48
                        Quote: aybolyt678
                        it's just debatable

                        I doubt it.
                        And there will be no closure of borders and toughening in the format of the USSR. In order to implement a model of intensification of internal resources in the format of the early USSR (or China), you need to have certain social conditions that you cannot call normal.
                        Both the early USSR and China at the start of their development had conditions that are difficult to call human for their population.
                        Why would your country want this? For the sake of "labor feats", peak achievements in something? ..
                        Even China is already gradually moving away from this, moving to a model of stable rather than intensive development. Yes, growth is sagging. But the situation of the country is becoming more stable.
                        Our misfortune is that we missed the bifurcation processes, the opportunities that the collapse of the USSR could give us. And we went to the "fat" fat of well-being at the expense of resources. And now it's too late.
                      8. +1
                        15 January 2020 13: 37
                        Quote: Venya Selnikov
                        I doubt it.

                        If without a revolution, we introduce the elements of socialism, such as a progressive scale of taxation, then everything would be possible. There would be a supreme will
                    2. Alf
                      +4
                      4 January 2020 17: 09
                      Quote: bk0010
                      Already done in 2014. Didn't help. It is not profitable to produce here in principle: too large and heavy caps. investments that are difficult to save when they come to you for "share".

                      Is logical. Therefore, it is necessary to make the economy work so that people have a decent life. And then it would never occur to them to force someone to share.
                      1. +4
                        4 January 2020 18: 03
                        It will not help: this audience will not accept the option when someone makes good money, but doesn’t bring it to them. Regardless of the standard of living.
              2. +7
                3 January 2020 14: 52
                About six months ago, Putin said something about theft at the Vostochny space center. Something is still silence, nor any landings, nor any showdowns.
                1. Alf
                  +11
                  3 January 2020 15: 00
                  Quote: YOUR
                  About six months ago, Putin said something about theft at the Vostochny space center. Something is still silence, nor any landings, nor any showdowns.

                  Why is that silence? One of these days infa slipped that cuts continue.
                2. -4
                  3 January 2020 17: 52
                  80 criminal cases have been instituted.
                  1. Alf
                    +11
                    3 January 2020 19: 00
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    80 criminal cases have been instituted.

                    And how much will it reach the court and how much will it sit down? Only those who do not pay off. Vasilyeva also started a business, but how did it end? 34 days of imprisonment and return of the confiscated?
                  2. +4
                    4 January 2020 02: 56
                    Not 80, but 140 which subsequently combined into 32 cases, but this has been going on since 2018. More than 11 billion rubles were stolen.
                    As for 2019, the following information - 2 cases of theft
                    We are talking about theft first 13,8 million rubles, and then 242,6 million rubles during the construction of the launch complex for the Angara launch vehicle in the Amur ZATO Tsiolkovsky. This project is estimated at 100 billion rubles and is due to be commissioned in 2022. The contractor of the state defense order was Volga Construction Enterprise LLC. According to the investigation, from the end of October 2018 to the end of May 2019, officials from the company’s management provided the Federal Treasury of Tatarstan with false information about payment under special equipment rental agreements with Trio-VIS LLC. However, lease agreements were not executed, and the documents turned out to be false. There are no suspects in these cases yet.
                    1. Alf
                      +6
                      4 January 2020 16: 59
                      Quote: YOUR
                      As for 2019, the following information - 2 cases of theft

                      Especially good is the last phrase of the quote, which is very characteristic of Putin's Russia.
                      1. +1
                        5 January 2020 03: 44
                        This info is from the TASS news agency. I was also incredibly surprised.
                3. +6
                  3 January 2020 18: 30
                  why? -take and give the Hero of Russia and everything is decided
              3. -4
                3 January 2020 15: 40
                Quote: Alf
                And who supports such a pace of GDP?

                Don't you know?
                We can remind you that the world somehow does not quite look at all the countries of the world and especially at Russia and the countries of the so-called "axis of evil". Well, think about it (you still lived in the USSR and are friends with logic) on whom the so-called soul lovers and lovers of civilized lands hegemonize their exclusiveness or exclusivity most of all?
                - Well, so that all countries participating in the space race have an equal starting start and continuation of this race?
                - Have all the countries of this race been in the anus (perestroika) several years ago?
                - Do all runners have the so-called fair sanctions and restrictions that contribute to break into the front, or at least hold on?
                - Do all runners have a 5th column to help run, or as an analogue of WADA, fine participants according to their gentlemen's rules?
                The article is critical (if the criticism is reasonable and to the point), but completely bent in the sense (everything is gone). And there is no general analysis (and with such supercritical statements in the article) he simply has to be where it is said and sorted out under what conditions and with what problems our cosmonautics and other equally important developments still hold.
                But here lies the answer in the general analysis of the situation:
                - policy,
                - economics
                - sanctions
                - hot spots that we put out or fight for
                - finances that cut us off,
                - technologies that are not allowed,
                - and everything else in the form of restrictions and circumcisions.
                And when you try to analyze at least a little, you will get the answer: "How - we are still alive"? And only after that you will joke and troll the country and the astronautics as all sorts of buffoons and buffoons did in the old days (I warn you that any coincidence of words and meanings is purely accidental). So there is a great deal of starring about stellar problems, but how can you drop into the essence and sort it out so everything is in the bushes or "we are not experts, let the government figure it out." Maybe you are not the 5th column, but it is dangerous to go on reconnaissance with you.
                1. Alf
                  +12
                  3 January 2020 16: 16
                  Quote: Irokez
                  You may not be the 5th convoy, but it’s dangerous to go into reconnaissance with you.

                  Don’t go, for God's sake, I’ll survive somehow.
                  Quote: Irokez
                  you still lived in the USSR and make friends with logic

                  Yes, I was born and raised in the Soviet Union. And I have something to compare.
                  Quote: Irokez
                  - Do all runners have the so-called fair sanctions and restrictions that contribute to break into the front, or at least hold on?

                  You are right, sanctions have a negative effect, no matter how this disproves Kiselyov-TV. But, the question is, really, nothing could be done to develop its cosmonautics and what prevented pouring petrodollars into its own economy? Are the sanctions to blame or the one who organically does not want to do this and does not know how?
                  Quote: Irokez
                  - Do all runners have a 5th column to help run

                  And what prevented this liberal from being pressed to the nail? Perhaps the one who admitted that he was a liberal himself interfered?
                  Quote: Irokez
                  But here lies the answer in the general analysis of the situation:
                  - policy,
                  - economics
                  - sanctions
                  - hot spots that we put out or fight for
                  - finances that cut us off,
                  - technologies that are not allowed,
                  - and everything else in the form of restrictions and circumcisions.

                  And the solution is simple and universal for solving all these problems — an immediate change in the political structure of the state.
                  1. -7
                    3 January 2020 16: 32
                    Quote: Alf
                    And the solution is simple and universal for solving all these problems — an immediate change in the political structure of the state.

                    What is it like? Again, the revolution and decline for decades or new and modern Maidan.

                    Quote: Alf
                    But, the question is, really, nothing could be done to develop its cosmonautics and what prevented pouring petrodollars into its own economy?

                    Is nothing done? You are cunning. We are at least taxing to the ISS and vice versa, and this is a lot for today when you need to at least fly. But here, new technologies are being worked out and the ships are being rebuilt and the security is being perfected and we are sculpting our equipment instead of the fraternal Ukrainian (forced). And rocket carriers and spaceports, albeit slowly, but we are building and this is a fact that you will accept and do not reject.

                    Quote: Alf
                    Yes, I was born and raised in the Soviet Union. And I have something to compare.

                    So I noticed this because I myself am the same, but the difference is that you are stuck in the USSR forever, and time has passed in advance, and who, over time, is not friends, he just lagged behind forever. Times are changing. You are like a man standing on a platform and looking at the back of a departing train, but at the same time you say: - "Hedgehog, ezhay - a ticket in your pocket."
                    1. Alf
                      +8
                      3 January 2020 16: 51
                      Quote: Irokez
                      At least we tax on the ISS and back

                      We will remain "bombils" on "checkers". The Chinese have landed on the return of the Moon, foreign satellites are going further and further into space, and we are working as cabbies.
                      Quote: Irokez
                      Revolution and Decadence Again

                      And now what, takeoff? Or continued "stability" in the form of a steady slide?
                      Quote: Irokez
                      modern maidan.

                      And who will maidan? Are you scared by the civil war? Who will fight? Deripaska and Abramovich? So I dare to recall how many citizenships they have. In case of any serious cataclysms, a suitcase with grandmas in your hand and .. hello, London.
                      1. -3
                        3 January 2020 17: 40
                        Quote: Alf
                        The Chinese landed on the return of the moon

                        How when? I only heard about some device similar to our lunar rover of the last century.

                        Quote: Alf
                        And now, take off?

                        And what about landing? We fly in the clouds and between the rocks.

                        Quote: Alf
                        And who will maidan?

                        You will not believe it - ordinary citizens, and the ringleaders, as always, will crawl into power. Well, remember Ukraine.
                  2. -7
                    3 January 2020 18: 05
                    You probably forgot that in the 2000s, Russia paid all the debts collected in the USSR and all the 90s, you started accumulating gold reserves and the piggy bank in the form of a stabilization fund - which you lived on from 2008 to 2011 and from 2014 to 2017.
                    1. Alf
                      +6
                      3 January 2020 18: 55
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      You probably forgot that in the 2000s, Russia paid all the debts collected in the USSR and all the 90s, you started accumulating gold reserves and the piggy bank in the form of a stabilization fund - which you lived on from 2008 to 2011 and from 2014 to 2017.

                      With a normally working economy, a nest is also needed, but a normally working economy feeds itself and is self-sufficient.
                      1. -2
                        3 January 2020 23: 34
                        There are no such self-sufficient ones and will not be, even in the USA imports are 1,5 times higher than exports.
                      2. Alf
                        +5
                        4 January 2020 17: 01
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        There are no such self-sufficient ones and will not be, even in the USA imports are 1,5 times higher than exports.

                        Yes, jeans, geldings and jamon can be purchased, but the main thing that ensures the normal existence of the state should be its own.
                      3. -4
                        7 January 2020 16: 23
                        It will be a discovery for you, but in the Moscow region one entrepreneur does the same jamon in Russia, everything that is needed is already being produced - the last word is left to the buyer.
                    2. +4
                      4 January 2020 08: 19
                      Actually, the debts of the USSR were created artificially by the drunk regime .. When, in negotiations with the IMF, the ruble exchange rate was underestimated
                2. -2
                  4 January 2020 12: 16
                  Quote: Irokez
                  So star all about stellar problems much, but how about the essence of dripping and sorting it all out into the bushes

                  + to you, an interesting analysis. That's only in science and technology, there are periods of discovery and there is an accumulation of information and groundwork for the future. One way or another is not visible.
          2. +14
            3 January 2020 20: 04
            Mr. Rogozin

            There were such Kosmos cigarettes in the Union. 70 kopecks each. Expensive were considered.
            So trust this gentleman to oversee the production of these cigarettes, and:
            - First. In a year they would have disappeared from the counter.
            - The second one. Obligations to catch up and overtake, triple and quadruple after some 15-20 years, from his lips would have sounded constantly.
            fellow
        2. -14
          3 January 2020 11: 51
          Well, yes, Mars rovers designed for 3 months creep for years, tired of these tales of NASA.
        3. +1
          3 January 2020 23: 42
          But we are not involved in many areas.
    2. +6
      3 January 2020 11: 09
      Quote: Tarasios
      The point is not the fact - who surpassed whom, and where it flew, right?

      And then what? What is the point of competition then?
      And Tsiolkovsky and Korolev would definitely not agree with you.
      1. +4
        3 January 2020 13: 16
        In this particular case, the meaning of competition in the competition of new space technologies.
        The fact that Russia today is completely lacking.
        The author is right.
        One can be proud of the achievements of the Queen and Gagarin. And it is necessary.
        But you also need to go forward. And do not rest on their laurels half a century ago.
        However, what can I say now? ..
        The world space train has gone ahead. And we will never catch him ...
        1. 0
          3 January 2020 14: 16
          Quote: Prok7tu
          The world space train has gone ahead. And we will never catch him ...

          We will be optimistic.
          1. +6
            4 January 2020 08: 22
            While admins will receive more than structural engineers, my country has no future.
        2. +16
          3 January 2020 14: 22
          In this particular case, the meaning of competition in the competition of new space technologies.
          The fact that Russia today is completely lacking.

          The raw material appendage of the Western economy is prohibited from developing any technologies, except for providing the West with raw materials. All the screams "we did" will ALWAYS remain screams. This level of technology is developed ONLY with the filing of the STATE. A private trader can be a contractor, but financed by the state. A private trader will NEVER invest in technologies that will have an effect in 5-10 years and further. CAPITALISM!!!
          1. +4
            4 January 2020 01: 00
            Quote: AKuzenka
            The Western economy is prohibited from developing a raw materials appendage of any technology other than providing the West with raw materials.

            And who forbids, the State Department, the West, otsionisty, Ukrainians-Bandera? Prior to the sanctions, Russia had access to all technologies, unlike China, so there is no need for mediocre rule of the country by a bunch of thieving and deceitful hostages to dismiss some prohibitions, it is not clear from whom. As soon as someone tries to develop in Russia a high-tech production of something, so are the criminal cases and the lawlessness of the security forces. Development created by Putin is impossible. One must either remove the cross, or put on underpants, that is, or 3 temples a day, or technological development.
            Quote: AKuzenka
            This level of technology is developed ONLY with the submission of the STATE. A private trader can be a performer, but financed by the state. Private traders, NEVER will invest in technologies that will have an effect in 5-10 years or more. CAPITALISM!!!

            This is you Mask, Branson and other private traders developing high-tech areas in the world tell. Officials can never be more effective than private traders.
            1. 0
              4 January 2020 08: 26
              Don't you know that the "comrades" you named have started a new startup with a grant from the State Department?
            2. 0
              4 January 2020 12: 22
              Quote: KrokodilGena
              Officials can never be more effective than private traders.

              Do you know such a word - citizen? civil position? now unpopular trend, but still? or is this impossible in our age of consumer ideology?
    3. +1
      3 January 2020 14: 13
      Everything that Russia had to do was done during the Soviet era.
    4. -6
      3 January 2020 18: 31
      This is exclusively for management issues. Hayabusa 2 robots undocked from the machine, landed in a given area, took a photo and transmitted them. Well, for mini-robots - a very wonderful job.


      In general, the robots from Hayabusa do not need to photograph photos, but to bring soil from the asteroid, but they have not brought it yet, so it's too early to talk about "successful completion". Pin_dos have already lost the lunar soil on Earth, such tricks happen. And besides, the first Hayabusa screwed up, so we'll see.

      as for the American rovers, there are photographs in nete that if you remove the excess red from the spectrum of the photo, then the photo becomes completely non-Martian i.e. not red.



      this is first
      secondly, that the atmosphere of Mars is the atmosphere of the Earth with 35 km, then the sky of Mars cannot look like the Americans show, but must be black with a blue border around the edges, which means the Americans are lying again.

      So we are not worse than everyone else.
  2. +29
    3 January 2020 06: 26
    So what is not visible in the moonlight? That's right, at least some achievements of the Russian cosmonautics. True, they cannot be distinguished even in the sun. Unfortunately.

    Cosmonautics is the destiny of the inquiring mind. I do not even wonder about the thoughts of these worthy husbands:

    All thoughts are only about space ... wassat
    1. -2
      3 January 2020 13: 31
      Putting Rogozin on a par with Manturov and Siluanov is a big stretch.
  3. -27
    3 January 2020 07: 01
    Now whine about "beggarly" salaries and pensions, then about the lack of achievements in space. You really choose one thing, because one excludes the other.
    1. +4
      3 January 2020 07: 36
      Question of approach. US manages to combine high salaries -Well, OK, relatively high, Ragozin, of course, much more than NASA’s Bridenstein - with advances in space. Alas, the same can be said about the second space power - no, not Russia, of course - about China. They also have higher salaries, and achievements are more obvious. The latter also include the creation of the private sector, they grow their masked masks. And, obviously, they will say their word, as Xiaomi already said in electronics, for example.

      Well, now about another country, the USSR, a few numbers that, by coincidence, I also recognized today:
      1) in 1991, shortly before its collapse, the USSR spent 8.4% of GDP on defense. For comparison, now China spends 1.9%, and the United States 3.2%.
      2) during the Cold War, the GDP of the USSR was even less than that of Japan (1989: USSR 2,659, Japan 3,055, USA 5,233, China 0,347 trillion dollars).

      The price of space was great for salaries and pensions, sacrificed a lot, but achieved results.
      1. +5
        3 January 2020 09: 38
        The estimate of GDP by WESTERN INSTITUTIONS (!!!!) is still a manipulation. I would not use this "ruler" to measure everything in the world. Of course, it reflects some state of affairs, but not as clearly and precisely as you think.
      2. -2
        3 January 2020 18: 08
        In 1991, shortly before its collapse, the USSR spent 8.4% of GDP on defense - and previously no less than 20%
      3. +3
        4 January 2020 02: 41
        during the cold war, the GDP of the USSR was even less than that of Japan


        Circus... laughing How can the USSR GDP be considered in dollars at an inconvertible ruble? Then they counted in tons of steel, machine tools, aircraft, liters, pieces of power plants, factories, kilometers of roads ...
        This is at least honest. Yes, and now too. Ten locksmiths or two forgive ... ducks? And who has more GDP, the question is ... laughing
      4. +2
        4 January 2020 12: 26
        Quote: Proctologist
        during the Cold War, the GDP of the USSR was even less than the GDP of Japan (1989

        you compare the time of the victorious perestroika! laughingcompare 78 years
    2. +24
      3 January 2020 07: 48
      Now whine about "beggarly" salaries and pensions, then about the lack of achievements in space. You really choose one thing, because one excludes the other. Actually - "elementary Watson" - and there are no achievements in space - and pensions are miserable, as for the salaries of teachers and doctors - they are different for different doctors and teachers. At good doctors - very much even nothing, and at the head doctors - I generally keep quiet almost like at the deputies of the State Duma.
    3. +17
      3 January 2020 07: 52
      Quote: bistrov.
      Now whine about "beggarly" salaries and pensions, then about the lack of achievements in space. You really choose one thing, because one excludes the other.

      Poverty salaries and pensions, as we see, do not exclude the lack of achievements in space.
    4. +8
      3 January 2020 07: 56
      Quote: bistrov.
      Then whine about "beggarly" salaries and pensions

      Four and a half with a disability teacher, how do you? He threw back his hoofs that year.
    5. +11
      3 January 2020 11: 09
      As practice shows, it does not exclude it. We have no salaries, no space.
      1. -5
        3 January 2020 18: 11
        And no launches were made in 2019 - there is no space.
    6. Alf
      +8
      3 January 2020 12: 49
      Quote: bistrov.
      Now whine about "beggarly" salaries and pensions, then about the lack of achievements in space. You really choose one thing, because one excludes the other.

      In modern Russia, these concepts perfectly complement each other.
    7. +11
      3 January 2020 13: 21
      Quote: bistrov.
      Now whine about "beggarly" salaries and pensions, then about the lack of achievements in space. You really choose one thing, because one excludes the other.

      Does it not reach you that these are not mutually exclusive things?

      Do you think. what or salaries or space?

      Have you tried to understand where the state comes from for financing?

      Why is there money in space and salaries in countries with developed economies and social bases?
      And we (in your opinion) should have only one thing.
      1. -1
        4 January 2020 12: 29
        Quote: SovAr238A
        Why is there money in space and salaries in countries with developed economies and social bases?

        name at least one such country with our climatic conditions and population density?
        1. -1
          5 January 2020 20: 42
          Quote: aybolyt678
          Quote: SovAr238A
          Why is there money in space and salaries in countries with developed economies and social bases?

          name at least one such country with our climatic conditions and population density?


          the hint of eggs is clear.

          But I can immediately say that there are goods with high surplus value. Very high.
          They are called high-tech.

          At their cost, the cost of maintaining the temperature in the rooms is minimal.
          1. -1
            5 January 2020 21: 30
            Quote: SovAr238A
            At their cost, the cost of maintaining the temperature in the rooms is minimal.

            do you know what is redistribution in metallurgy? this is to melt and cool the metal once. To obtain a stainless steel, you need to melt the metal at least 8 times. So, where will the cost of metal smelting be lower, in Siberia or Turkey? In Mercedes there are high-tech parts that require 200 !!! redistribution. There is such A. Parshev "How can we overtake America" ​​or a book for those who decided to stay, he has other books. Read it. unfortunately she did not give me an answer to the question of how to overtake, but much has become clearer.
            1. 0
              6 January 2020 12: 05
              Quote: aybolyt678
              Quote: SovAr238A
              At their cost, the cost of maintaining the temperature in the rooms is minimal.

              Do you know what redistribution is in metallurgy? it once melt and cool the metal. To get a stainless steel, it is required to melt the metal at least 8 times. So, where the cost of smelting the metal will be less in Siberia or Turkey?

              Believe me. but they will be the same.
              For during the work of a metallurgical enterprise, excess heat is discharged by the process technology.
              For they are not an example more than is required for heating.


              Quote: aybolyt678

              In Mercedes there are high-tech parts that require 200 !!! redistribution. There is such A. Parshev "How can we overtake America" ​​or a book for those who decided to stay, he has other books. Read it. unfortunately she did not give me an answer to the question of how to overtake, but much has become clearer.


              Have you seen the added value? In this same Mercedes?
              I spent 2 weeks at the Porsche factory in Leipzig.
              So it is almost not fundamentally different from the VAZ.
              And at the cost of materials and components, no more than 60-70%.
              But the surplus value differs significantly.
              1. 0
                6 January 2020 19: 21
                Quote: SovAr238A
                So it is almost not fundamentally different from the VAZ.
                And at the cost of materials and components, no more than 60-70%.

                ++ Thanks for the answer! wassat And what prevents VAZ from investing 70% more to win the market?
    8. +1
      4 January 2020 08: 37
      we choose one: designers are piece goods for which the state should monitor and help from school (the system is absent as a class), the salary while this future designer is at ordinary engineering and design work should be higher than that of the administrative head of the department ... otherwise he will be seen from "Boeing" or something else, and the brains left, which is now happening massively and my country's "bright" future is disappearing, and in thirty years we will slide to the level of the Saudis - a high standard of living and a complete lack of independence ..
      1. +1
        4 January 2020 12: 31
        add to this that the majority of Skolkovo graduates work over the hill.
        Quote: Siberian54
        brains left
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  5. -1
    3 January 2020 07: 40
    Quote: ROSS 42
    I do not even wonder about the thoughts of these worthy husbands:

    There is a resemblance!
    Jeff Bezos
  6. +2
    3 January 2020 08: 05
    I don't want to talk about sad things .... because there are no words, only swear words! This will not help the business in any way, only "sanctions" you will receive and truncated!
  7. +16
    3 January 2020 08: 09
    In addition to this article, it would be interesting to consider what goals were set for our space industry and what could be done from this.
    Any business should have a goal and criteria for its achievement. The author of the article did not cover this. My question is: do we have any goals in space exploration? What are the achievement criteria? What is done? If not done. who's guilty?
    And so ... that's all the chatter
  8. -3
    3 January 2020 08: 16
    Wow, again "the end of monopoly." Which one is already in a row? One "bucket" is not enough, you also need a carrier on which it is not scary to plant katsmanauts.
    Otherwise, until the space tug is ready, there is nothing to twitch, I brush, because there will still not be a qualitative leap and the funds will be wasted.
    1. +6
      3 January 2020 09: 30
      Since the carrier is certified, now just a bucket is braking.

      Musk - 9ka, statistics are good. For humans, NASA has certified PH.
      Boeing - Atlas, statistics are good, NASA certified for humans.

      In the future, Atlas may be replaced by Volcano. Or not. This is a question of money and the volume of the program.
      1. -2
        3 January 2020 09: 34
        Quote: donavi49
        In the future, Atlas may be replaced by Volcano.

        Do they have any compatibility? They will push their own each. Circus with horses.
        And the question of money is also very delicate - everyone loves money.
        1. +8
          3 January 2020 09: 55
          Complete. Well, in the sense of:
          9ka + Dragon - already 19 missions fly on the ISS. Jubilee 20 truck in March. Dragon Crew - was developed under 9ku based on the existing Dragon.

          Boeing developed Starliner for its main rocket - Atlas5. At the same time, with the ability to move to another launch vehicle. Atlas5 out of 80 starts, only one unsuccessful, and then not by a witch, but by a glitch, from which the engines went out earlier and the load from a low orbit went into the atmosphere, where it burned down. That is, in the case of a manned launch - this file can be turned to a safe return home (well, after it 60 missiles were shot without any problems).
          1. -2
            3 January 2020 10: 02
            Quote: donavi49
            Complete. Well, in the sense of:

            Even not very complete. Only Boeing can (allegedly) move to another launch vehicle without any problems, it turns out.
            Quote: donavi49
            only one failed

            The last "Starliner" did not seem to have flown but landed.

            Where "Orion" was interested - also "the end of monopoly" was.
            1. +4
              3 January 2020 10: 24
              In the sense? Well Atlas + Starliner - 9ka + Dragons = full compatibility. About the Mask do not know. Boeing, on the other hand, made possible minimal changes to move to another launch vehicle.

              Atlas in the mission Boe-OFT - worked normally. There, the spacecraft itself began to freak out. Well, that is, the LV pulled it to the desired position, but its own engines in the service compartment did not turn on due to a clock malfunction in the computer, which considered that everything had already worked on the flight map.

              Orion is generally a different class of ships. It is not intended for orbit. And very expensive. Zero start was only for checking key decisions on the layout actually. The first test mission to the moon is Artemis. No crew.
              1. -2
                3 January 2020 10: 39
                Quote: donavi49
                Orion is generally a different class of ships.

                Ah, well then. I proceed from what I read in the press.
                "Artemis" - generally interesting, I am surprised that they are busy for so long, "Apollo" - even when they flew there.
                1. +5
                  3 January 2020 10: 49
                  So here the tasks are different. They plan not just to make a movie. And the ISS to build and hang out there on an ongoing basis. Rogozin, too, 10 years later.
                  1. -1
                    3 January 2020 10: 54
                    Quote: donavi49
                    They plan not just to make a movie.

                    That's why you're straight on live)))
                    1. +8
                      3 January 2020 11: 08
                      Even without Alive, Apollo’s main goal was simply to fly, to prove that Americans are the most strong! This idea was still Kennedy and the argument to wipe his nose for advice, allowed virtually any cost overrun, the involvement of any technology and enterprises, pulling out specialists from any companies. Well, in general, the highest priority.

                      However - what to do next, there was no program. It was possible to fly a few more missions. But within that framework, it would in fact be a repetition of existing ones, just in other locations. New tools. A scientific program with a good study was gone.

                      Well and most importantly, Kennedy’s goal has been fulfilled. If the first landing was watched by the whole world. That Apollo 17 was already watched as a football match for seedy teams.




                      Well, no scientific breakthroughs.


                      Now they want to make a basic orbital base. Fly there. From there descend to the moon. The science program is written 20 years in advance with different priorities. Tools at work or ready.
                      1. +2
                        3 January 2020 17: 38
                        Quote: donavi49
                        However - what to do next, there was no program.
                        There was a colossal program, including an orbital station-shipyard, a base on the moon, a flight to Mars, etc. Only the Shuttle remained (in a disfigured form), the blacks ate the rest.
                      2. +4
                        3 January 2020 17: 52
                        Well, I'm talking about that. In fact, the program in which the money was pledged was completed ahead of schedule. The next stage - that’s all, they didn’t give money. And at that technical level it was somewhat optimistic.
                      3. 0
                        15 January 2020 10: 52
                        Well, it was not a program, but touches, assumptions.
                        The program is normal - this is when it has passed through Congress and received funding.
                        It's just that the Apollo program showed how expensive the "space of high achievements" is, and the United States, having achieved political goals, in the absence of an adequate response from the USSR, decided to start saving money, rather than dumping the forces of the entire country into one industry.
                        If the USSR, by the way, continued the race, for example, nevertheless finished the H-1, and went a little further (say, the visited base on the Moon), the USA could not "not match".
                        And the race continued.
                        But it was as it was.
                        And for many decades, aerobatics entered stagnation at the IEO.
              2. 0
                3 January 2020 11: 27
                About "Orion", or rather about SLS as an example of the fact that the Americans admit terribly ineffective decisions: the SLS is powered by RS-25 engines. Nice engines made for shuttles. In the literal sense, "made" - exactly those who have already flown on shuttles, from conservation. They will also make new, modernized ones. And these cool engines, originally conceived as reusable and proven to cope with it, will become disposable. At its enormous cost, SLS is so inefficient ...

                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-25
                1. -1
                  3 January 2020 18: 16
                  Well, if they launch it twice a year, it will be more tolerant of cost.
  9. +10
    3 January 2020 08: 23
    It is already clear that the Russian space industry will not be able to provide flights to other planets of the solar system. And this must be recognized as a given, so that it is not painfully painful to watch other nations and countries master outer space. However, the younger generation is unlikely to notice such things at all, does not bother. Now there are other priorities. Most likely, thoughts about how to grab more material wealth without doing anything at the same time do not allow you to raise your eyes to the sky and look at the stars.
    1. +2
      4 January 2020 01: 24
      Quote: 1536
      However, the younger generation is unlikely to notice such things at all, does not bother. Now there are other priorities.

      I wouldn’t say that, it’s full of smart young people with a dream about outer space .. But they don’t make conditions in the country and it’s not their fault that they cannot be realized in Putin-Rogozon Russia and go to Europe and the USA. A good example is Konstantin Batygin, an astrophysicist at the California Institute of Technology, co-author of the Ninth Planet of the Solar System hypothesis.
  10. +15
    3 January 2020 09: 16
    We do not suffer from a lack of ideas.
    In principle, almost any high school student can formulate the idea of ​​a particular direction in space exploration ...
    What then?
    Yeah, right! Economy.
    Russian cosmos as a mirror of the Russian economy.
    Russian medicine as a mirror ..
    Russian education, Russian social security system ..
    But we are not Swaziland, not a Zanzibar thread!
    Every year we have a dozen new billionaires. Dollar.
    And money, as you know, is formed only in the sphere of material production.
    Capital comes from the air, but not money ..
    So where are the firewood from?
    I am not Adam Smith, not Leontief.
    I am a simple person, but the SMART THOUGHT that capital arises where GDP flows into specific pockets of specific personalities does not leave me.
    That is, it is limping (from my point of view), or the system of distribution and use of wealth created by the country is flourishing (the taste of the oligarchs).
    And space is just a mirror of this process.
    Naive-infantile fantasy: at night in a villa near Moscow, a group of the richest oligarchs secretly decided to hire Ilon Mask N2, build plants for him and set the task to fly to the Moon, Mars and some other thread of Snickers))))
    1. bar
      +3
      3 January 2020 10: 22
      We do not suffer from a lack of ideas.

      We suffer from a lack of objectives. Really necessary and important tasks, and not the foolish ideas of flying to Mars in the company with the robot Fedor, which Mr. Rogozin is gushing.
  11. -7
    3 January 2020 09: 17
    At the Marshall Space Center (submission to NASA, USA), mirrors were made for the Russian telescope. With them he flew to the place of service.

    Like on American devices crawling on Mars there is Russian equipment, some detectors. They themselves could not create this. request Yes
  12. -16
    3 January 2020 09: 25
    The USSR, at one time, recognized the US scam with a moon landing, i.e. sold his primacy in space for oil, as Esau sold his birthright to Isak for lentil stew (Gen. 25: 31-34). So with kirdyk space.
    hi
  13. +5
    3 January 2020 10: 17
    Do we have any consistent program for the development of space technology and the development of new directions in space?
    1. +7
      3 January 2020 10: 34
      Yes. But the money for it is not very.

      1) The completion of the ISS up to 22 years is scheduled - 3 modules need to be raised. It seems that the long-suffering Science is going to be raised this year.

      2) IOL - Moon 25-27 from 21 to 25 years. Moon 28 is likely to return to the end of the 20s. 29 year old Lunokhod. 30 year - 14 day manned mission to the moon. Since 31 years annual flights and base:
      In 2032, it is planned to deliver to the Earth’s satellite a lunar car (heavy lunar rover with the ability to move astronauts), as well as a second expedition, which will be engaged in “testing vehicles on the surface”.

      The expedition of 2033 will have to make trips on a moonmobile over long distances and test robotic systems. The year 2034 is set to begin, and the year 2035 marks the continuation of the construction of the lunar base.

      3) A new range of LVs of all classes.
    2. +3
      3 January 2020 10: 35
      There is a program.
      But the money for it is clearly not enough.
      At the enterprises of light bulbs and rags get horseradish.
      Iron, despite all the innovations, development requires more than budgets allow.
      Managers do not want to understand that a serious matter is serious.
      You can't make a new rocket / engine for the price of a trolley bus
      1. +1
        3 January 2020 10: 40
        Quote: U-58
        At the enterprises of light bulbs and rags get horseradish.

        As I go, I go up to the checkpoint, lit a cigarette. And I bam the director for the kettle .. "If you smoke, you will lose a lot of money"
        1. Alf
          +6
          3 January 2020 12: 56
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: U-58
          At the enterprises of light bulbs and rags get horseradish.

          As I go, I go up to the checkpoint, lit a cigarette. And I bam the director for the kettle .. "If you smoke, you will lose a lot of money"

          On Kuznetsovo in Samara, the picture is funnier. An ad is hanging at the factory entrance. Smoking is strictly prohibited in the enterprise. At the entrance to the plant management and in each workshop there are signs-Smoking area.
      2. +9
        3 January 2020 10: 43
        Yeah. The number of billionaires is growing, as is their capital, but there is no money for the rest. And they combed us how we will heal under capitalism, and that's how we fools need it.
        1. +2
          3 January 2020 13: 07
          Quote: Ros 56
          That's what we fools need.

          My brother in MMM drove an apartment ... crying
        2. +2
          4 January 2020 01: 52
          Quote: Ros 56
          And they combed us how we will heal under capitalism, and that's how we fools need it.

          What does capitalism have to do with it? But nothing in all the most prosperous countries, capitalism, or a market economy? Maybe you confused capitalism with theft, corruption, nepotism and irresponsibility?
          1. -1
            4 January 2020 09: 08
            Yes, he did not confuse.
            And he wrote about our capitalism.
            One that is predatory but not creative
      3. +9
        3 January 2020 11: 50
        There is a program.

        Indeed, only one "program" is. I remember there was a "program" to create "25 million highly paid, high-tech jobs", a program "to raise the average wage to $ 2500, and the average pension to 25000 rubles" and other "program" promises .... But in reality? but in reality:
    3. Alf
      +9
      3 January 2020 12: 54
      Quote: Ros 56
      Do we have any consistent program for the development of space technology and the development of new directions in space?

      There is such a program. It is called the Program for the "development" of funds allocated for no matter what.
  14. -5
    3 January 2020 10: 42
    The result depends on the amount of money invested in astronautics (money, people, science). We are lagging behind, maybe we don’t have to jump above our heads. 10% have occupied their niche and no need to recall Energy, Burana ....
    1. +9
      3 January 2020 11: 00
      Well, here's the niche, the question.

      Yet again:
      if on launches # 3 now.
      if on launches for foreign customers - No. 3 but already without a break (5 launches taking into account the Spectrum - 5 launches of Europeans for commerce).

      if transporting people No. 1 without competitors according to statistics.

      if on scientific missions then the Japanese and the Indians.

      if for new technologies in space, then again somewhere in the 5th place. At the end of the year, the Chinese launched the monster with 45m batteries and "data transfer speed to 1 terabyte per second" over China + ionic for maneuver. All Made in China. And this is generally a basic telecommunications satellite. For example, the newest Yamal-601 launched this year was made at Thales Alenia Space.
      1. +1
        3 January 2020 14: 57
        All the same, second in terms of launches. Even without taking into account the Unions with the Kuru, it turns 22. The USA has 21
        1. 0
          3 January 2020 15: 21
          RocketLab is an American company that is registered in California already. Therefore, 2 only if on launched vehicles from the country's cosmodromes.
  15. +17
    3 January 2020 10: 54
    What is not visible in the "moonlight"? And what can the people who run the country see, even in bright sunlight, living in their closed world, a "co-op-coop", looking at their surroundings through the "rose-colored glasses" of Rosstat?
    Meanwhile, the former "great space power":
    1. Alf
      +13
      3 January 2020 13: 04
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Meanwhile, the former "great space power":

      1. -4
        3 January 2020 14: 28
        And why isn’t there a zoo in Samara, why are you going to get into Moscow?
        1. Alf
          +7
          3 January 2020 14: 32
          Quote: Fil743
          And why isn’t there a zoo in Samara, why are you going to get into Moscow?

          No, it was, but they said it was "not economically profitable." By the way, so is the Hippodrome. Now there are 25-storey birdhouses.
          1. +2
            3 January 2020 23: 56
            Quote: Alf
            No, it was, but they said it was "not economically profitable"

            The zoo was simply reformed. Usually in zoos along with wild animals, well, there elephants, lions, camels, and domestic animals are kept - rams, goats, donkeys. The first in the course of the reform were optimized.
            Quote: Alf
            Now there are 25-story birdhouses

            Well. That is, the latter, apparently, became even more. Like primates of varying degrees of humanity.
            Quote: Alf
            By the way, just like the Hippodrome

            Horses should not run in circles, but plow. Therefore, those who took a mortgage in the new buildings and revels - why not horses?
    2. -3
      3 January 2020 18: 19
      Price tags in New Guinea do not tell me?
      1. +2
        3 January 2020 23: 42
        Quote: Vadim237
        Price tags in New Guinea do not tell me?

        Actually, it was about Equatorial Guinea. And on New, you Papuans know better.
  16. -19
    3 January 2020 11: 07
    The author licked notably. How can I put a minuscule stupid article?
    1. +3
      4 January 2020 02: 18
      Who did he lick? Want to put a minus? Or maybe there are arguments that the article is wrong?
  17. +1
    3 January 2020 11: 20
    Quote: silver_roman
    The estimate of GDP by WESTERN INSTITUTIONS (!!!!) is still a manipulation. I would not use this "ruler" to measure everything in the world. Of course, it reflects some state of affairs, but not as clearly and precisely as you think.


    I agree. Therefore, I rummaged and found an estimate by independent experts and official statistics of the USSR. As you rightly point out, Western assessments reflect the state of affairs - they allow us to roughly imagine the situation, which is why they brought them in precisely. GDP is not an easy thing, in relation to the USSR and China, purchasing power parity is still very strongly influencing, when it is possible to get more for a smaller amount. If measured not in trillion dollars, but in butter and tanks, the picture could have been different.
    1. +2
      3 January 2020 11: 51
      Quote: Proctologist
      GDP is not easy

      This parameter is completely invented, inflated and completely devoid of practical meaning. Here is a simple example: I have an apartment, you have a million. I sell the apartment to you for a million. Then you sell this apartment to me for a million. Neither I nor you produced anything. But you and I have boosted the GDP by two million. And if we conducted our transactions through the bank of your friend, then the bank also increased its GDP by issuing our transaction with some kind of loan with repayment on the day of the loan.
      Therefore, you need to measure the economy with the GDP parameter with a lot of reservations. Moreover, it is impossible to measure the non-market economy of the USSR in this way. For example, GDP directly depends on the price scale in the country ...
      1. +4
        3 January 2020 13: 22
        Quote: abc_alex
        I sell the apartment to you for a million. Then you sell this apartment to me for a million. Neither I nor you produced anything. But the GDP we have increased by two million

        )))
        No, economists are not so dumb. In the bottle of vodka you bought at the store in GDP there is a store margin and indirect taxes / excises. The cost of vodka itself is taken into account by the producer, if Finnish vodka is in Finland’s GDP.

        That is, the offset of GDP on sales and purchases is not the value of the purchased-sold, but the cost of the services of trading agents and taxes.
        1. 0
          17 January 2020 01: 22
          Quote: Octopus
          No, economists are not so dumb. In the bottle of vodka you bought at the store in GDP there is a store margin and indirect taxes / excises. The cost of vodka itself is taken into account by the producer, if Finnish vodka is in Finland’s GDP.

          Firstly, I do not buy vodka. I do not drink, sir. :)
          Secondly, GDP includes the entire volume of final goods and services on the country's market. Because it is gross, this product. And it doesn’t matter where it is produced. If it is sold in Russia, it is taken into account in full. This follows from any definition of GDP.

          Economists, if they do not work for the newspaper, consider a mass of REAL indicators, among which GDP is not listed.
  18. +4
    3 January 2020 13: 15
    The author did not mention that Mr. Rogozin, for all his ineffectiveness as a leader, receives much more than D. Brandenstein, the head of NASA. This is according to official data, but about non-official ones, one can only guess where the mlr has gone. from the same "Vostochny"
    1. +5
      3 January 2020 13: 58
      Not only Rogozin receives more from us, but the entire fake top elite receives unjustifiably a lot, especially if we take into account the results of their work.
      Everything comes from the head ... Rogozin particular in the giant Putin machine.
      1. +2
        4 January 2020 02: 24
        Quote: Campanella
        With us, not only Rogozin receives more, but the entire lime top elite receives unreasonably much

        That is why Putin likes to talk about "average salaries" in the region of 60tyrov, because he considers Sechens 5myo a day and other effective business executives.
        1. -1
          5 January 2020 01: 03
          And with such salaries of his vassals, Putin is well aware of raising money for those in need on television channels. So who is he after that? Father of the people? Or goddamn rabble?
    2. 0
      3 January 2020 14: 00
      And you do not just read the title. This fact is mentioned in the article.
  19. +6
    3 January 2020 13: 55
    Solid minor in light of the "huge" official successes of Putin and his team. If you look closely, the rest of the industries are also full of seams. The defense that pro-government storytellers write about basically eats up the old practices of the USSR. Whether the current top managers will have time to raise the scientific and technical potential before the departure of Soviet specialists is a big question, on the surface there is a lack of a systematic approach. The project version, which inspired the President of Russia, is good for the corporation, but not for the state.
    1. Alf
      +5
      3 January 2020 16: 19
      Quote: Campanella
      Will the current top managers manage to raise the scientific and technical potential before the departure of Soviet specialists is a big question,

      Do they need it? There is Her Majesty the Trumpet and the international passport.
      1. 0
        3 January 2020 23: 41
        Judging by the deeds, they are not, they are self-satisfied with power and money. The state and people are secondary to them. Their catchphrase "Do you know who I am?"
  20. -7
    3 January 2020 13: 59
    The article is about nothing. This is not analytics, not even criticism. So, whining. The crashes of Israel, the European Space Agency, India, the United States are nonsense. 25 accident-free launches of Roscosmos - bad. The budget of Roscosmos for 2019 is 177 billion rubles. Approximately $ 3 billion. The budget of the European Space Agency is $ 7 billion. At the exit - 11 starts, one accident with Vega.
  21. +4
    3 January 2020 14: 00
    All the misunderstandings of the author will immediately dissipate if he nevertheless draws attention to the difference in the declared areas of space research of foreign agencies and their military component. Scientific research in our country is a special article, and their space directions are completely dystrophic against the background of military spending, which in turn is provided with financing at a minimum. If there is no money for science, nothing will fly even crack.
  22. +1
    3 January 2020 14: 07
    Clarification. In 2019, we are not the second in launches, not the third. Moreover, in statistics, 3 launches of Unions with Kourou are recorded at the European Space Agency.
  23. -6
    3 January 2020 14: 09
    Tired of whiners, all-scooters, all-stealers ....
    The fact that it is possible to keep the Cosmos in its current state is an achievement after the hellish 90s.
    When "red-haired" enterprises were destroyed, if only to end communism quickly.
    Thieves are planted, quality is improved - last year, nothing collapsed.
    There is an understanding that young people need to be prepared (invested in education).

    So far, only Russia and China have manned space exploration.
    Have your own GLONASS - who else has such systems?


    All-tramps also forget about the military component.
    For example, the only Russia and the US have SPRN systems, Russia will help China build its
    SPRN - this is such a backward, damn it, Russia.
    The ground-based SPRN stations were restored (because they were lost in the Baltic states, Azerbaijan, ...),
    having commissioned the latest Voronezh - and these are not very cheap toys.
    Enter overseas stations.
    But this system has its own space constellation - it was also necessary restore and develop.
    And this is just one example in military space, but they won’t tell you everything.
    New missiles in the Strategic Missile Forces - this is also space - only military.
    Well, hypersound at the end.
    Without closing these questions, it was impossible to move on.
    Otherwise, the "partners" would have arranged a big Yugoslavia here long ago.
    Putin did not speak in vain about 2000 potentially conflicting points in Russia - just give free rein,
    instantly, local nationalists turned everything upside down, they quietly sit on grants,
    waiting for the moment. Then you don’t understand where this crap came from.

    Russia now has such a civilian space for which there is enough money.
    I think the situation will gradually change, because in the military field the issue is closed.
    No one in a sober mind will now decide issues with Russia by force.
    The sanctions themselves, although they slow down projects, for example, with MS-21, Nord Stream ... but they include Moscow
    still managing the economy of a liberal fraternity country.
    There is no fair competition; WTO rules do not work.
    Everything in the world as well as 100-200-300 ... years ago - whoever has more clubs, he is right.
    1. Alf
      +10
      3 January 2020 16: 45
      Quote: Nait
      Thieves are planted

      For whom did you put in the East?
      Quote: Nait
      There is an understanding that young people need to be cooked

      There is understanding, there are no results. Universities continue to drive law economists.
      Quote: Nait
      Have your own GLONASS

      Isn't that the GLONASS that was officially announced to be a huge problem with him?
      Quote: Nait
      but on the other hand, they include Moscow, which is still the managing economy of the country of the liberal fraternity.

      Where did the brain switch on?
      Quote: Nait
      No one in a sober mind will now decide issues with Russia by force.

      Why fight if you can buy?
      Is RUSAL now owned by Russia?
      Even by many times, the trashy VAZ does not belong to Russia now.

      Who owns Metallurg in Samara? To our "partners".
      Quote: Nait
      WTO rules do not work.

      Then why are those who so vehemently pulled Russia into the WTO, still at large and in power?
  24. +6
    3 January 2020 16: 52
    Quote: Irokez
    Quote: Alf
    And who supports such a pace of GDP?

    Don't you know?
    We can remind you that the world somehow does not quite look at all the countries of the world and especially at Russia and the countries of the so-called "axis of evil". Well, think about it (you still lived in the USSR and are friends with logic) on whom the so-called soul lovers and lovers of civilized lands hegemonize their exclusiveness or exclusivity most of all?
    - Well, so that all countries participating in the space race have an equal starting start and continuation of this race?
    - Have all the countries of this race been in the anus (perestroika) several years ago?
    - Do all runners have the so-called fair sanctions and restrictions that contribute to break into the front, or at least hold on?
    - Do all runners have a 5th column to help run, or as an analogue of WADA, fine participants according to their gentlemen's rules?
    The article is critical (if the criticism is reasonable and to the point), but completely bent in the sense (everything is gone). And there is no general analysis (and with such supercritical statements in the article) he simply has to be where it is said and sorted out under what conditions and with what problems our cosmonautics and other equally important developments still hold.
    But here lies the answer in the general analysis of the situation:
    - policy,
    - economics
    - sanctions
    - hot spots that we put out or fight for
    - finances that cut us off,
    - technologies that are not allowed,
    - and everything else in the form of restrictions and circumcisions.
    And when you try to analyze at least a little, you will get the answer: "How - we are still alive"? And only after that you will joke and troll the country and the astronautics as all sorts of buffoons and buffoons did in the old days (I warn you that any coincidence of words and meanings is purely accidental). So there is a great deal of starring about stellar problems, but how can you drop into the essence and sort it out so everything is in the bushes or "we are not experts, let the government figure it out." Maybe you are not the 5th column, but it is dangerous to go on reconnaissance with you.

    You know, it’s hard to be optimistic when the list of law enforcement officers in gold epaulets, convicted of billions of embezzlement grows. Somehow, I longed for a long time to see the execution list of bulky crooks. From the Pension Billion, hidden and already forgotten by everyone ... From the treasures of the tax planner, border guard, space-building ...
    The funeral of the Moscow Glavzhulik was pompous. If the YEAR BACK, institute proceedings on his adventures, there were still chances to return the stolen, then after his death, all hopes broke. The heirs, having received treasures according to the LAW, that is, by inheritance, became beyond jurisdiction. These are not fun things.

    If the King wants to prove his love for the people, he simply must execute a couple of his friends. In the case, of course, not indiscriminately. Then everyone else, not really friends, would have thought hard to cheat ....
    It is difficult to have fun when the next pyramid builder (Lord of the example) took out loot by trucks. Salvage has gone somewhere. The lord was seated. But investors did not see their money, and did not see it. It seems that there was another collusion of power with the bandits.
    1. 0
      4 January 2020 12: 39
      Quote: viktordoubovitski
      If the King wants to prove his love for the people, he is simply obliged to execute a couple of his friends.

      Ivan the Terrible put on a stake the boyars who put him on the throne, who wanted to use it for their own purposes, Peter the First shaved (and not only) boyars that did not match the image of a modern country, Catherine the Great quickly replaced the useless performers with others. About Stalin, I generally keep quiet. Power is always a choice between personal ambition and public good.
  25. -5
    3 January 2020 17: 02
    I don’t understand what the article is about. what are the cries and squeaks about the lack of success? and what should be? if you need communication or GLONASS, then it seems to be there and it works poorly poorly. The military also throws their cargoes, they investigate something there and other services look at the earth differently. What do you need? Carry the cheapest and most? What can you do, competition, and let their carry and with whom to agree. Old Union? And how do airplanes update avionics and fly on. Let the Union renew the filling and have nothing to plow huge days into manned space! Piloted for a long time in doubt and almost no success there. Fly to the moon ... sho again? And what to do there? The Ketais are rich and they need prestige, so let them fly there. Americans want to fly to the moon ... ndaaa .. their success also doesn’t look too good, and if they want to risk crews, then go ahead, only to Russia why? Of course, there is no longer any leader, but there is nothing to cry about.
  26. +5
    3 January 2020 17: 12
    Quote: dima314
    I don’t understand what the article is about. what are the cries and squeaks about the lack of success? and what should be? if you need communication or GLONASS, then it seems to be there and it works poorly poorly. The military also throws their cargoes, they investigate something there and other services look at the earth differently. What do you need? Carry the cheapest and most? What can you do, competition, and let their carry and with whom to agree. Old Union? And how do airplanes update avionics and fly on. Let the Union renew the filling and have nothing to plow huge days into manned space! Piloted for a long time in doubt and almost no success there. Fly to the moon ... sho again? And what to do there? The Ketais are rich and they need prestige, so let them fly there. Americans want to fly to the moon ... ndaaa .. their success also doesn’t look too good, and if they want to risk crews, then go ahead, only to Russia why? Of course, there is no longer any leader, but there is nothing to cry about.

    While tremendous success in theft. Or on the nose glasses of smoked glass, from a seat by the fire, with burning tires? Satisfies everything? Do you know the plans and needs of the military? Do you know the properties of the same GLONASS? apparently because you finished school externally after four years of study. What the hell is heresy writing? GLONASS will be good if there will be no less than 36 satellites spinning there, some of which will perform purely special tasks, and the rest will work for navigation and relay. Can you tell me why our system is many times less accurate than that of the damned?
    Can you tell me why our agriculture, until now, does not have the most accurate maps and plans of its lands? Systematically updated? You will not say why you use enemy navigation, and you can always be brought as Ivan Susanin into someone else’s outhouse, not your own? Why can't we provide EVERYONE with our Caliber type mallet with OWN navigation? The Internet is labeled ALIEN?
    1. -1
      3 January 2020 19: 12
      GLONASS will be good if there will be no less than 36 satellites spinning there, some of which will perform purely special tasks, and the rest will work for navigation and relay. Can you tell me why our system is many times less accurate than that of the damned? --- I will say that the industry, which was completely ditched, and especially microelectronics, did not suffer at all from astronautics, but vice versa. Many industries have been lost almost completely and therefore cannot produce their own spacecraft for GLONASS and many others. There can be no super astronautics if there are no electronic components. They write that 24 KA of the GLONASS system is necessary for normal operation, not 36.
      What the military wants there, they went nafig with their Wishlist, that's all the money in the pipe. Everyone uses the Internet alone and it is Amersky and Russia is in no way here. And in general, Russia has long been not in the lead, but in the 10s and we must come to terms with this.
  27. +5
    3 January 2020 17: 18
    Quote: Alexey Sommer
    Quote: Prok7tu
    The world space train has gone ahead. And we will never catch him ...

    We will be optimistic.

    There are reasons for this. For example, dramatically increase accountability for results. And for billions of thefts, a thorough check, trial, and electric chair. With the confiscation of TOTAL, including from hidden relatives.
  28. +5
    3 January 2020 17: 30
    Quote: Campanella
    Not only Rogozin receives more from us, but the entire fake top elite receives unjustifiably a lot, especially if we take into account the results of their work.
    Everything comes from the head ... Rogozin particular in the giant Putin machine.

    This is because we get and they earn, alas
  29. +5
    3 January 2020 17: 33
    Quote: Brancodd
    The article is about nothing. This is not analytics, not even criticism. So, whining. The crashes of Israel, the European Space Agency, India, the United States are nonsense. 25 accident-free launches of Roscosmos - bad. The budget of Roscosmos for 2019 is 177 billion rubles. Approximately $ 3 billion. The budget of the European Space Agency is $ 7 billion. At the exit - 11 starts, one accident with Vega.

    A budget is not only money for launches. This is also scientific work, R&D, etc. And the salaries of employees and scientists.
    1. +1
      3 January 2020 18: 08
      Not just for launches. And to Vostochny Cosmodrome, to Soyuz5, to R&D on a nuclear power plant, to the construction of a national space center, to the organization of production of the Angara in Omsk, to rake Khrunichev’s debts and much more.
      1. 0
        4 January 2020 00: 19
        I wonder who in our country does debts and why))))
  30. +2
    3 January 2020 17: 34
    Quote: AKuzenka
    In this particular case, the meaning of competition in the competition of new space technologies.
    The fact that Russia today is completely lacking.

    The raw material appendage of the Western economy is prohibited from developing any technologies, except for providing the West with raw materials. All the screams "we did" will ALWAYS remain screams. This level of technology is developed ONLY with the filing of the STATE. A private trader can be a contractor, but financed by the state. A private trader will NEVER invest in technologies that will have an effect in 5-10 years and further. CAPITALISM!!!

    A private trader WILL invest his money only if he is sure that Schwonder will not come and does not expropriate what he has done. Trillions invested in Western industry. Rockefeller will buy the field, and will invest in the development, purity of nature, because the brutal persecution of the state for the mess, will force him to pay their own money. Soviet director, never. Will there be an effect from the fine of a state enterprise and the taking of money from it in order to put this money in another pocket of the same state? The state will NEVER bankrupt its enterprise. The USSR has many times written off trillion-dollar agricultural debts. The state wrote off debts from its party co-religionists abroad. Trillions. How much richer will you be if you transfer a pack of dough from one pocket to another?
    1. Alf
      +4
      3 January 2020 19: 12
      Quote: viktordoubovitski
      state brutal persecution

      And who is the state? Deputies? So they feed from the hands of Deripaska. How many millionaires are in the Duma. Do you think they will pass laws restricting their interests? Many in the Russian Duma came up with laws that shorten the interests of the oligarchs?
      Quote: viktordoubovitski
      Trillions invested in Western industry.

      Where is America's auto industry? No? And she was brought to Asia, it’s cheaper there. And the Rockefellers wanted to spit on the interests of the state in which they live. They live by the principle-let the state fly by, the main thing is that it is beneficial to me.
      Where's America's electronics industry? Not development, but production? And in China, cheaper.
      Where to sew America's national treasure jeans? And there, with the big-eyed.
      Where is the US Rust Belt? Destroyed, for it is not profitable. The rich got fed up with Trump, because he had encroached on profits, he thought of industrial production returning home.
      Quote: viktordoubovitski
      and WILL be invested in the development, purity of nature,

      Have you seen a video of what happened to the areas where shale gas began to be pumped? Which US petroleum mafia was this excited?
      1. +7
        3 January 2020 19: 39
        "Where is America's auto industry? Nope?" ////
        ----
        Your information is out of date.
        There is. Only Buick gather in South Korea and China.
        Fords, Chryslers, Doji, Jeeps are assembled in the USA.
        Several factories reopened in Detroit.
        1. Alf
          +3
          3 January 2020 19: 50
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Your information is out of date.

          I agree, but this does not change the overall picture.
          1. 0
            3 January 2020 22: 02
            Quote: Alf
            this does not change the overall picture.

            It changes. They decided to open a plant - they advertised - they recruited people. Try to do this, I do not know, in Omsk, where Rogozin Angaru has been letting out for so many years.
            1. Alf
              +2
              4 January 2020 16: 55
              Quote: Octopus
              Quote: Alf
              this does not change the overall picture.

              It changes. They decided to open a plant - they advertised - they recruited people. Try to do this, I do not know, in Omsk, where Rogozin Angaru has been letting out for so many years.

              And how many factories opened in Russia? Only fence sharagi do not mention. And assembly too.
      2. -1
        3 January 2020 22: 00
        Quote: Alf
        Deputies? So they feed from the hands of Deripaska

        Seriously? You are not writing from 2003, no? It seems that Hodor was then presented with a faction in the State Duma with a Communist Party size. By the way, she didn’t really help him. Although then on his side was the government of Kasyanov and AP Voloshin.
        Quote: Alf
        Many in the Russian Duma came up with laws that shorten the interests of the oligarchs?

        More or less all. What the DG is perpendicular to is the interests of the oligarchs. They didn’t just leave for their Israel.
        Quote: Alf
        Where is America's auto industry? No?

        It is especially funny to hear this at the end of 2019. When the famous African swindler and swindler, Musk produced more cars at some backyard in LA in piecesthan AvtoVAZ (I haven’t seen any data on VAZ 2019 yet, I’m watching 2018).
        Quote: Alf
        They live by the principle-let the state fly by, the main thing is that it is beneficial to me.

        Wow. American business is no longer patriotic enough.
        Quote: Alf
        Where is America's electronics industry? Not development, but production? And in China, cheaper.

        Where like, actually. The consumer sector in China and Southeast Asia (not all), large, complex and new - in the States.
        Quote: Alf
        Where to sew the national treasure of America-jeans

        In the States with light industry, everything is very decent.
        Quote: Alf
        Where is the US Rust Belt?

        Here, Trump chose.
        Quote: Alf
        Video about what happened to areas where shale gas

        You will not please. Now let's industry, then they started to drown for the environment. You’ll either remove the cross or put on your pants.
        1. -1
          4 January 2020 00: 42
          US Infrastructure, Current Status:
          https://svpressa.ru/world/article/253512/?utm_source=finobzor.ru
          1. +1
            4 January 2020 03: 03
            Quote: Brancodd
            US Infrastructure, Current Status:

            Why post any garbage from some yellow info dumps?
          2. +2
            4 January 2020 07: 49
            Quote: Brancodd
            US Infrastructure, Current Status:

            And what's so strange? What track facilities 30-60 years are decaying? What in comparison with the PRC, where everything has been built over the past 15 years, many objects look prickly? Or that the author begins to drown for some reason for socialism from this place?

            The author missed something important. For example, he shows a collapsed automobile bridge (collapsed in 2007) and forgets to write that Minneapolis and the contractor paid $ 3M for each victim. How much did the relatives of those killed in any Irkutsk region receive this year, recall?
            1. -2
              4 January 2020 12: 41
              The fact is that old infrastructure facilities fail, but they are not replaced with new ones. There are no funds or competencies. An illustrative example is the decommissioning of nuclear reactors. Point of no return passed. Old ones are closing, new ones cannot be built. There is no uranium enrichment technology. There are no kilometers of high-speed railways. 80% of the railroads are not expensively electrified. A metro station in New York under a shopping center was built for 8 years, they spent 4.5 billion dollars.
              1. +2
                4 January 2020 18: 06
                Quote: Brancodd
                A metro station in New York under a shopping center was built for 8 years, they spent 4.5 billion dollars.

                Ugums. Only the World Trade Center station is not a subway.

                Quote: Brancodd
                There are no kilometers of high-speed railways.

                Indeed no, too many problems have grown in the land legislation and competition with aviation is too strong. Now only Akela Express works in New England, about the length of a Peregrine Falcon. Like the Peregrine Falcon, it goes along the old canvas, like the Peregrine Falcon, it is not particularly fast at the present time.
                Quote: Brancodd
                0% of the rail is not expensive electrified

                Yes, they go on diesel locomotives. It also has its own story, this time about antitrust laws, EMNIP. This is problem?
                Quote: Brancodd
                There is no uranium enrichment technology.

                But why?
                Quote: Brancodd
                An illustrative example is the decommissioning of nuclear reactors.

                Naturally, they are being decommissioned, they are already 50 years old. New ones are not being built, the cost of nuclear power plants has been revised. If earlier the "tail" of tens of thousands of years of spent nuclear fuel storage was considered free (a peaceful atom was traveling free of charge with a non-peaceful one), now it is considered entirely due to the cost of a nuclear power plant, as a result of which the cost of a complete nuclear power plant cycle skyrocketed.
                I also recall that the US nuclear generation is still almost a third of the world and about three times higher than the Chinese.
                Quote: Brancodd
                infrastructure facilities fail, but are not replaced with new ones.

                Naturally not replaced, 100 years ago, when they were built, the needs were one, now they are different. The peak length of the railway, EMNIP, was passed in the region of 1900 (plus or minus), since then the length of the operated tracks has significantly decreased.
                Quote: Brancodd
                There are no funds or competencies

                Putting asphalt forgotten how? Oh well.
                1. -1
                  4 January 2020 22: 27
                  Those. new nuclear power units do not need to be built. High-speed train technology is not needed. Bridge repair is not needed.
                  ASCE thinks differently.

                  The Association of American Civil Engineers (ASCE) estimates the total investment required to modernize American infrastructure at about $ 3,6 trillion by 2020. “The deterioration of our infrastructure hinders our ability to compete in a thriving global economy,” warns ASCE.

                  https://rg.ru/2017/12/18/eksperty-katastrofy-govoriat-o-sistemnom-krizise-infrastruktury-v-ssha.html
                  http://linkis.com/KjE4L
                  1. +1
                    4 January 2020 23: 55
                    Quote: Brancodd
                    Those. new nuclear power units do not need to be built.

                    China so far considers what is needed, a generalized West - what is not.
                    Quote: Brancodd
                    High-speed train technology is not needed.

                    Mentioned Akella - built Canadian Bombardier. He also participated in projects up to 400 km / h in Europe and China. So there are no special issues regarding technology.
                    Quote: Brancodd
                    Bridge repair is not needed.

                    Some bridges need, some do not, to hell with them, let them fall.
                    Quote: Brancodd
                    ASCE thinks differently.

                    ASCE would be crowing. In a normal society, there are a lot of groups that speak on their agenda.
                    Quote: Brancodd
                    approximately $ 3,6 trillion by 2020

                    And why is it necessary by 2020? Will the Hoover Dam collapse? Article of 2017, here it is 2020, and so what?
                    Quote: Brancodd
                    “The deterioration of our infrastructure hinders our ability to compete in a thriving global economy,” warns

                    Well, let yourself warn. Something is hindering, something is not hindering, it’s a difficult life. In England, lousy food, lousy weather and just terrible real estate, in northern Europe there are bad taxes, in Germany gibberish, in Israel they shoot from NURSs, in Australia an unsuccessful time zone, but nothing, everyone lives somehow, and many are quite good.
                    Quote: Brancodd
                    https://rg.ru/2017/12/18/eksperty-katastrofy-govoriat-o-sistemnom-krizise-infrastruktury-v-ssha.html
                    http://linkis.com/KjE4L

                    So what? Yes, in a huge economy managed by thousands, but rather hundreds of thousands of entities, including those issuing legal norms (federals, states, municipalities, private traders) there are really a lot of problems, is this news for someone? I’ll say more that the States in terms of urban studies, on average, really lag behind the conventional Northern Europe very significantly, is this their minus in the sense of global competition as a place to live, and so what?
                    1. +1
                      5 January 2020 00: 21
                      Quote: Octopus
                      Some bridges need, some do not, to hell with them, let them fall

                      Americans have different standards in this regard. In Europe, the bridge was built, it is periodically repaired, extending its "life". In the USA, there is a different philosophy. The bridge is built with a conditionally 20 years warranty without repair. The deadline has passed - it is demolished and a new one is being built. As if 2 20 year old bridges cost less than one permanently renovated 40 summer
                    2. -1
                      5 January 2020 11: 25
                      So what? Never mind. Just a small clarification:
                      Bombardier is a Canadian company. Theoretically, you can buy a high-speed train division just like the Europeans bought an aviation division. But in fact, the United States itself does not currently own these technologies.
                      Storage of nuclear waste becomes a problem if you do not have reactor technology for BN. Now 97 blocks really work. But by the year 30, there will already be 56. And then the pace of withdrawal will only increase. So in about 30, the United States will meet with China, but when moving in different directions. The new US nuclear power plants could not be built, although the construction program was approved under Bush the Younger. Westinghouse is bankrupt. And he dragged Toshiba behind him. But in general, you are right, why is uranium enrichment technology, if you plan to curtail nuclear energy. There is something to replace - coal and fuel oil are enough. Back to the 19th century.
                      The real sector in US GDP is 18%. And in principle, it really is not so important for them as, for example, emission control. GE dropped out of hundreds of major capitalization companies. He was replaced by a pharmacy chain. And nothing, everything is under control. Everything can be bought, why build yourself. To increase the supply of soybeans to China, LNG to Europe, civilian aircraft will not work. We close the foreign trade deficit due to the new issue. The cost of servicing a public debt is almost equal to the size of the military budget. It does not matter, we increase the public debt.
                      Trump in his election campaign asked to compare the Los Angeles airport with the airports of Dubai or Shanghai. And he also noticed that if the Fed rate was raised to 5%, then it would be necessary to stop servicing the state debt.
                      But in principle, if everything suits, then I will not insist
                      1. 0
                        5 January 2020 14: 42
                        Quote: Brancodd
                        Theoretically, you can buy a division of high-speed trains

                        What for? The difference between normal countries and rogue countries is that normal countries do not need to introduce Juche at home.
                        Quote: Brancodd
                        if you do not have BN reactor technology

                        Have German tails taken to Zarechny? Suddenly.
                        Quote: Brancodd
                        The United States will meet with China, but when moving in different directions.

                        Quite possible. So what?
                        Quote: Brancodd
                        Why uranium enrichment technology, if you plan to curtail nuclear energy.

                        Yeah. And France and Israel have technology, your allies relatively. In any case, you are unlikely to quarrel with them at the same time.
                        Quote: Brancodd
                        There is something to replace - coal and fuel oil are enough. Back to the 19th century.

                        Gas and renewable energy are growing, coal is declining, there has never been much fuel oil.
                        Quote: Brancodd
                        The real sector in US GDP is 18%.

                        18% of US GDP is 2-3 GDP of Russia, I recall. Russia's GDP, by the way, is also deeply post-industrial
                        Quote: Brancodd
                        GE dropped out of hundreds of largest capitalization companies

                        It is high time that the GE leadership went wild for many years.
                        Quote: Brancodd
                        To increase soybean deliveries to China, LNG to Europe, civilian aircraft will not work

                        Think?
                        Quote: Brancodd
                        We close the foreign trade deficit due to the new issue.

                        The foreign trade balance in the United States has been closed for many years since the investment. In general, foreign trade in the United States is traditionally very small relative to China, especially Germany. Or Russia.
                        Quote: Brancodd
                        The cost of servicing the public debt was almost equal to the size of the military budget.

                        )) No, not yet. The rate is now 1,5%
                        Quote: Brancodd
                        asked to compare the Los Angeles airport with the airports of Dubai or Shanghai

                        And?
                        Quote: Brancodd
                        if the Fed rate is raised to 5%, then you have to stop servicing the public debt

                        Donny is still an economist. Specifically, the administration can borrow from the Fed at any percentage. The interest income of the Fed is transferred to the Treasury.
        2. -1
          5 January 2020 20: 41
          I did not expect from such a respected inhabitant of the ocean depths stamps about rogue countries. We are not given to know how it will come out there. Perhaps each individual country will need its own set of key technologies. Relying on a printing press can be a very dangerous misconception.
          Germany does not even have close competencies for BN reactor technology. I'm afraid their current level does not even allow them to realize what is at stake. There is nothing to talk about BREST reactors (ginger). It's good. Let them bathe in their self-confidence.
          By the way, a reduction in the share of nuclear generation in Germany led to an increase in renewable energy, but also to an increase in coal generation. Now 33% of generation is coal. It is very environmentally friendly. Hello green. RES is expensive and unstable.
          We have already tried to attract allies. The only commercial gas centrifuge plant in the United States was built by the European consortium Urenco. The American company "Centrus" (formerly USEC) has announced the termination of work on the creation of its pilot commercial facility for uranium enrichment using gas centrifuges. Thus, for many decades the United States has not been able to master its own industrial gas centrifuge technology.
          percentage of industrial / agricultural sectors in GDP:
          China 39,5 / 8,2
          US 18,9/0,9
          India 28,9 / 16,8
          Japan 23/1,5
          Germany 30,1/0,6
          Russia 32,4 / 4,7
          Great Britain 19 / 0,6

          Thus, if we consider only the sectors of real production, industry + agricultural, it turns out in billions of dollars at PPP:
          1. PRC 11070
          2. India 4329,6
          3. USA 3858
          4. Russia 1489,9
          5. Japan 1333,5
          6. Germany 1289,1
          Approximately 2.6 times
          The rate is 1.5%. And the room for maneuver (increase) is problematic. Too much public debt, state debts, household debts, corporate debts. I repeat, if they consider this alignment acceptable, then this is good for us.
          1. +1
            6 January 2020 00: 59
            Quote: Brancodd
            stamps about rogue countries. We are not given to know how it will come out there. Perhaps each individual country will need its own set of key technologies

            )))
            That's when you need it, then we'll see who is where.
            Quote: Brancodd
            Germany does not even have close competencies for BN reactor technology

            You apparently did not understand the question. Here Russia, it seems to you, has bridging technology, Beloyarsk NPP, Zarechny, Sverdlovsk region. So what?
            Quote: Brancodd
            By the way, a reduction in the share of nuclear generation in Germany led to an increase in renewable energy, but also to an increase in coal generation.

            Yes. And this shows how much Angelochka and other German aces take to heart the green agenda, for which they stand so in public.
            Quote: Brancodd
            RES is expensive and unstable.

            Already not, if it is reasonable to approach.
            Quote: Brancodd
            Thus, the United States for many decades could not master its own industrial gas centrifuge technology

            This is a very famous story. National traitors Yeltsin and Chernomyrdin have buried all modernization projects for the American enrichment industry with a HEU-LEU deal. On the other hand, there is a road to her.
            Quote: Brancodd
            industry + agricultural, it turns out in billions of dollars at PPP:

            Another compares industrial production between countries at PPP. Do you understand when this is done that the Ford F-150 in PPP = Lada Grant?
            Quote: Brancodd
            The rate is 1.5%. And the room for maneuver (increase) is problematic.

            Trampushka does not agree with you.
            1. -1
              6 January 2020 13: 11
              Ford, or something similar from the real sector, is known to make up a small share in US GDP (18%). And the effect of real production on US GDP is very small. You can neglect it. But services are sacred.
              Cost of 1 kW of electricity
              US -0.2 $; Russia - 0.06 S;
              Subway ride (New York) - $ 3; Russia (Moscow) - 0.5 $
              Men's haircut from - $ 25; Russia - from $ 5
              The price of gasoline is 1 liter. USA -0.79; Russia - $ 0.74
              Gas 1 m3; USA - $ 0.31; Russia - 0.1;
              Ambulance call: New York -1250 $ (with insurance - 600 $); Russia - for free
              Kindergarten; USA - if you were lucky enough to get on the poor lists and wait for your turn - then for free, if on common grounds - $ 1000 / month. In Russia - 1500 - 3000r.m. (For large - free)
              1. 0
                6 January 2020 14: 53
                Quote: Brancodd
                U.S. GDP (18%)

                If you undertook to compare the standard of living, then you need to look not at a share in GDP, but at a share in the consumer basket. Run into the fact that the share of goods and services changes dramatically with rising incomes. Actually, the low share of services in consumption is poverty.
                Quote: Brancodd
                Cost of 1 kW of electricity
                US -0.2 $; Russia - 0.06 S;

                )))
                There is no EEC in the USA (this is one of their real problems, and not from the association of engineers), so the tariffs are very different. in NY 20s, in Texas closer to 10.
                Quote: Brancodd
                Subway ride (New York) - $ 3; Russia (Moscow) - 0.5 $

                It started. Yes, a metroshka in the West is expensive. No, lying is not good.
                1. $ 3 is a one-time ticket. In Moscow, it costs 55 rubles. Electronic costs 2,75, in Moscow - 38 rubles, $ 0,6
                2. There are no trip tickets in NY, only for a while (you make any number of transfers on any type of transport within 120 minutes). A similar tariff in Moscow (90 minutes) - 59 rubles. So yes, there is a difference, but not 6 times, but less than 3
                Quote: Brancodd
                Men's haircut from - $ 25; Russia - from $ 5

                )). 300 rubles in Moscow is a kind of nest of illegal immigrants (not in the sense of none, I saw one such thing myself). You hardly know how much Mexicans charge each other for a haircut at home.
                Quote: Brancodd
                The price of gasoline is 1 liter. USA -0.79; Russia - $ 0.74

                ))) In the states, she also swims. But for an energy superpower it is unexpected.
                Quote: Brancodd
                Gas 1 m3; USA - $ 0.31; Russia - 0.1;

                For the price of gas (and, by the way, electricity), the situation is peculiar. Tariffs for consumers in Russia are lower. But the cost and connection procedure in Russia is absolutely monstrous.
                Quote: Brancodd
                Ambulance call: New York -1250 $ (with insurance - 600 $); Russia - for free

                The political instructor is lying))). Medicine in the United States is such that it is impossible to compare something "in general".
                But partly you're right, medicine is both pride and the shame of the United States. Unfortunately, to do something with this on a federal scale, neither the mind nor the eggs really counts for the president.
                The second American problem of the same plan is education, first of all, higher education. At the same time, the best in the world (at its best) and frankly insanely organized.
                Quote: Brancodd
                then for free, if on a common basis - $ 1000 / month.

                With childkar in the States is very different. You can find for 1000, I will not argue. Like in Moscow, by the way.
                1. 0
                  6 January 2020 16: 55
                  Well, about lying, not lying - these are emotions. But essentially?
                  Let's talk about services, not about poverty (goods)
                  A one-time trip to the top three in Moscow just costs 38 r, from February 40. Where did you get - 55?
                  I talked about a $ 5 haircut in Russia. In Moscow, 600 p. - $ 10. But then in the USA you need to take megacities. - from $ 30. Here in Los Angeles I could not cut my hair for less than $ 30. For how many Mexicans cut each other you probably know better
                  Texas has the lowest rate. 0.2 $ - average rate. There are much higher. So the difference is 3-4 times true.
                  Kindergartens apparently do not bother you. But my friends paid exactly that. And I’d love to use the municipal kindergarten, but I don’t need them or under a magnifying glass. So this service makes up a significant share in the budget.
                  Who is a political instructor? You would better give an example of a free ambulance call. Shame is theirs or pride is deep down to me. Let them catch up with Cuba in terms of life expectancy.
                  The difference in the cost of rental housing
                  Los Angeles (60 m2) - $ 2200
                  Moscow (60 m2) - 700 $
                  Cellular Internet Mobile - US $ 45
                  A similar tariff in Russia - $ 10
                  Taxi
                  Anaheim - Los Angeles Airport, even through Uber cheaper than $ 50 will not work. Distance 52 km
                  A similar distance to the airport in Moscow - 1000 r ($ 15)
                  1. +3
                    6 January 2020 18: 52
                    Quote: Brancodd
                    these are emotions

                    Below are the numbers that you have rounded, so to speak.
                    Quote: Brancodd
                    Where did you get 55?

                    It is written. 3 bucks is not an analogue of a triple, but an analogue of a one-time red card.
                    Quote: Brancodd
                    Texas has the lowest rate. 0.2 $ - average rate

                    No. The lowest is in the Northeast, EMNIP, less than 10. 20 is Northwest, New York, etc. Maybe that has changed, I follow a little.
                    Quote: Brancodd
                    Kindergartens apparently do not bother you.

                    Not really. But your friends are right, child car in the States really exists as if the family had an idle mother, like the Didovs. It is characteristic, by the way, that the situation with childkar interests American feminists no more than coal generation in Germany - German greens, and wood heating in Sweden - Gretochka.

                    At the level of the employer, the issue is usually resolved (departmental kindergartens, yes), but then how is anyone lucky.

                    Quote: Brancodd
                    You would better give an example of a free ambulance call.

                    Obamaker insurance generally includes paramedics, in whole or in part. But, this is a feature of the States, you need to deal with specific cases.
                    Quote: Brancodd
                    Let them catch up with Cuba in terms of life expectancy.

                    It is not difficult, it is enough to bring socialist statisticians. Unfortunately, in the United States there are also some developments in this sense related, in particular, to measurements of GDP,
                    Quote: Brancodd
                    Los Angeles (60 m2) - $ 2200
                    Moscow (60 m2) - 700 $

                    )))
                    Keep cheating. Where exactly in Moscow and where specifically with the aircraft?
                    Quote: Brancodd
                    Cellular Internet Mobile - US $ 45

                    )))
                    $ 35 no limit to three countries from AT&T. You will not find a similar tariff in Russia, including the hundred-dollar. You are partly right that in Russia you can find not a similar, but quite acceptable tariff for $ 10, but in the States this is sometimes simply not there.
                    Quote: Brancodd
                    Anaheim - Los Angeles Airport, even through Uber cheaper than $ 50 will not work. Distance 52 km
                    A similar distance to the airport in Moscow - 1000 r ($ 15)

                    )))
                    It is from the center. From my home to Sharik now - 1,5 thousand.
                    But here is another problem. Try to take a taxi from Sharik to Voronezh, for example, you will be unpleasantly surprised. And so they go, 3-4 people gather and go. There are still no closer airports.
                    Quote: Brancodd
                    But essentially?

                    But essentially you need to compare the comparable. Not the States with Russia or, I do not know, Uzbekistan, but the States with Canada and Australia. Here, yes, a lot of unpleasant for the States. But neither these problems of the States concern me or you.
                    1. 0
                      7 January 2020 11: 42
                      RAO EU in Russia does not exist since 2008
                      In different states, the cost of a kilowatt is different, but on average it will be about $ 0.15
                      In Russia, the same is different by region. Moscow, by the way, has one of the highest tariffs. In Russia, 4 rubles come out ($ 0.06). So the difference is 2.5 times
                      The cost of renting an apartment in Moscow ($ 700) is approximately Nakhimovsky Avenue
                      $ 2200 - for Los Angeles, this is a very humane tariff and it is probably hard to find a two-bedroom apartment at this price.
                      I tried to present the data that I personally dealt with.
                      4 years ago I was offered an apartment with one bedroom for $ 1500, but asked for a very large deposit. And the apartment, to put it mildly, was so-so. Really cheaper than $ 2000 was not found. Now the average price is $ 2300. In Huntsville, he shot 2 times cheaper, but Voronezh will not be the same as in Moscow. So the difference in rent is 3 times.
                      For the Internet, I paid $ 45. The difference in tariffs for Internet and mobile communications - 3 times
                      Taxis to Anaheim (52 ​​km) really cost $ 150, not $ 50. I looked at the price for Voronezh - Sheremetyevo (455 km) - 9900 rubles. ($ 160). I was really surprised why traveling to the airport from Voronezh by taxi, when you can take the train and transfer by express to any of the three Moscow airports will be faster and cheaper. By the way, Voronezh has its own airport. It is possible by plane to Moscow for 5000 rubles. From Las Vegas, by the way, they also fly with local lines to the Los Angeles airport and transfer there for international flights. So the difference in cost is still 4 times.
                      I did not cite these examples in order to show poorly in the States or well. Just comparing GDP at the exchange rate is nonsense.
                      1. -1
                        7 January 2020 15: 22
                        Quote: Brancodd
                        RAO EU in Russia does not exist since 2008

                        I'm not talking about a legal entity. In the United States, there are several unsynchronized regional networks, as far as I know, there is no national network. This is becoming more and more a problem. Say, Danish wind power records are possible only in the context of a large-scale European network that allows maneuvering power on a huge scale.
                        Quote: Brancodd
                        Moscow, by the way, has one of the highest tariffs. In Russia comes 4 rubles (0.06 $)

                        Actually, you originally claimed 6 cents. In MO it is, I did not specify. And in Moscow, almost 10 cents. Like in seattle wassat
                        Quote: Brancodd
                        The cost of renting an apartment in Moscow ($ 700)

                        Treshka in the Central Administrative District costs from 100 to 000 (one million) per month.
                        Quote: Brancodd
                        I shot 2 times cheaper in Huntsville

                        In which?)) Did you serve in AMCOM?

                        For housing, you are partly right. The cost of renting / buying a home is determined, in fact, by the level of income in the location, so it walks very well.
                        Quote: Brancodd
                        For the Internet, I paid $ 45. The difference in tariffs for Internet and mobile communications - 3 times

                        Yes, communications in the States are unreasonably expensive.
                        Quote: Brancodd
                        I looked at the price for Voronezh - Sheremetyevo (455 km) - 9900 rubles.

                        11 on Yandex.
                        Quote: Brancodd
                        I was really surprised why traveling to the airport from Voronezh by taxi, when you can take the train and transfer by express to any of the three Moscow airports will be faster and cheaper.

                        One yes, the three of them no.
                        Quote: Brancodd
                        It is possible by plane to Moscow for 5000 rubles.

                        + 2 thousand taxi House-Sharik.
                        Quote: Brancodd
                        From Las Vegas, by the way, they also fly with local lines to Los Angeles Airport and transfer there for international flights

                        But it’s for nothing that you started comparing McCarran
                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarran_International_Airport
                        and Voronezh Airport named after Peter the Great
                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voronezh_International_Airport
                        And Las Vegas is American Voronezh too, yes.
                        Quote: Brancodd
                        Just comparing GDP at the exchange rate is nonsense.

                        Nonsense is just cross-country PPP comparisons. PPP does not exist for this. Is it bad, is it good, but there are no options other than the face value for cross-country comparisons.
                      2. -2
                        7 January 2020 16: 24
                        huntsville alabama intergraph
                      3. -1
                        7 January 2020 16: 28
                        Well, if at the exchange rate that you call the face value, Russia's GDP in 2019 grew by 11.6%
  31. +2
    3 January 2020 17: 49
    Quote: bistrov.
    Now whine about "beggarly" salaries and pensions, then about the lack of achievements in space. You really choose one thing, because one excludes the other.

    You are deeply mistaken. This is from thoughtlessness. Both that, and another depends on boobies in management. From impunity and connivance in a colossal scam. From dependence on oligarchs lobbying for their interests. From and d and about t with about the tax system when ANY profit is possible.
    From the collusion of the state with industrialists. Why chase after EVERY citizen of Russia with a tax basket, when it is possible, by conspiring with the tannins, to allow them ANY profit, imposing super-taxes on them with super-profits? And, PR on this, reassuring the people that, they say, we (the state) are cutting these shaggy ..... And potanins, having taken the loot from the people, will take him to the treasury. Having freed tax services from worries .... Show me a competitor running after a buyer and knocking down prices, hiring race specialists for a good salary? Maybe this is Russian Railways? Maybe this is Gazprom? Maybe this is energy? Maybe it's an oil industry?
  32. +1
    3 January 2020 18: 28
    all that about space we scratch-nonsense, if officially the Americans on Mars ride Rovers, then what they do in closed programs
  33. +2
    3 January 2020 19: 27
    Quote: Alf
    Quote: viktordoubovitski
    state brutal persecution

    And who is the state? Deputies? So they feed from the hands of Deripaska. How many millionaires are in the Duma. Do you think they will pass laws restricting their interests? Many in the Russian Duma came up with laws that shorten the interests of the oligarchs?
    Quote: viktordoubovitski
    Trillions invested in Western industry.

    Where is America's auto industry? No? And she was brought to Asia, it’s cheaper there. And the Rockefellers wanted to spit on the interests of the state in which they live. They live by the principle-let the state fly by, the main thing is that it is beneficial to me.
    Where's America's electronics industry? Not development, but production? And in China, cheaper.
    Where to sew America's national treasure jeans? And there, with the big-eyed.
    Where is the US Rust Belt? Destroyed, for it is not profitable. The rich got fed up with Trump, because he had encroached on profits, he thought of industrial production returning home.
    Quote: viktordoubovitski
    and WILL be invested in the development, purity of nature,

    Have you seen a video of what happened to the areas where shale gas began to be pumped? Which US petroleum mafia was this excited?

    Saw. So what? Increased production, or closed? If in the hands of an official TREASURE, then everything will be smeared to him. From head to toe. An official on whom nothing depends on who needs it? Of course, to make sure that instead of the Russian Railways, the STATE within the state, in the hands of the official there remains ONLY a railroad track, with a dispatching system, communications, and the OBLIGATION to keep it all in order, and everything else - trains, depots, brigades, trains and ticket offices at the stations belonged to private COMPETING firms. The officer can't do anything with the rails. Neither for rent, nor for sale, nor for corporatization. And the state, remaining in this form, Russian Railways will monitor the quality, price of services provided by private firms. If okamel- close to him the opportunity to ride on the state rails. Competitors will be happy. And, of course, instantly fill the vacuum.
    It's the same with the oil industry. State-only a pipe, which you can not sell ..... And the bastards who twisted prices, the valve on the lock. It's the same with energy. On the wires, STATE lock and let the world-unity think about how to do it safely and cheaply. Where will this bastard from the "submarine" go? There are no workarounds and never will be. If you want a war (conditionally) with the state, try it, sell your already bankrupt production, which has been standing in mere months. Who will pay the debts for you?
    Brains are needed in any business, and especially in the economy. The less property in the hands of an official, the less they will go to him with bribes. Who the hell needs one that can not give a penny ....
    And in the commission, which will understand the outrages, representatives from each competitor must take part. They will always raise a howl if there is some kind of Vasya-Vasya with someone ...
  34. +5
    3 January 2020 19: 28
    “Opportunity” debited, although it really worked
    much more than the planned 90 days "////
    ----
    Instead of 3 months, the guy worked for 14 years.
    "High-quality electronics and mechanics, however," the Chukchi would say ... wink
  35. -3
    3 January 2020 19: 59
    Hmm ... A long time ago I did not read such a biased anti-Russian article.
    1. 0
      3 January 2020 23: 39
      You have a draft in your brain, this is just a pro-Russian article, since the author has identified problems that need to be urgently addressed. The author is worried about Russia and tells this bitter truth, but would you like to listen only to fanfare and fools?
      1. -1
        3 January 2020 23: 54
        Well, that is, the disastrous flight of Starliner is "the success of the United States," and Russia's launching 2019 spacecraft in 73, testing the most powerful rocket engine, working out an accelerated route to the ISS - all this can be "ignored". After all, this is all "for the good of Russia" is being done. Is that so?
  36. +2
    3 January 2020 20: 20
    Sadly, girls, as Ostap Ibrahimovic used to say. And this state of affairs
    Apparently, it will remain until the cobbler bakes pies. AT
    in the memorable USSR everyone was doing his own thing, and therefore these things
    were at their best (unless, of course, excluding Legprom and agriculture).
    I still don’t understand what the current head of Roskosmos’s attitude is.
    related to space. But then - a man loyal to Putin. For all
    the undoubted merits of our president, his unnatural, sometimes,
    personnel decisions are simply depressing, they have already become a byword, but
    the main thing is that they seriously hinder the achievement of those goals that he himself
    Putin and sets. On the fingers you can count people who are in full
    at least correspond to the posts held, how and from where others come up
    job seekers are not a mystery to the humble human mind. And if Putin is like that
    so, as expected, these strange appointees will quickly return
    Mother Russia to the state from which the current president once
    started ...
    1. +1
      4 January 2020 00: 40
      Is Putin’s merit unquestionable? PR and propaganda! If it were not for the sacrifice of the people and the patriotism conveyed by parents from the Soviet era, Mr Putin would have sat in Zimbabwe in a nose ring.
      1. -1
        4 January 2020 01: 05
        Quote: Campanella
        PR and propaganda!

        1. +3
          5 January 2020 01: 00
          Useless! Those who are ready to listen would have heard long ago. Celestial, why the people ...
  37. 0
    3 January 2020 20: 41
    Russian space is like the Russian navy, and the navy is like the country as a whole. There is no strategy: what we want, for what, in what time frame, for what money. And these questions are not for Rogozin or Shoigu or Medvedev, there is only one addressee. But he was very tired of the Russians for 20 years, it was very noticeable on a straight line. He is interested in managing the world, but it doesn’t hurt, and adults don’t really let him. So, as the plumber said, "here the whole system needs to be changed." Or watch TV more often.
  38. +1
    3 January 2020 23: 39
    Quote: Vadim237
    You probably forgot that in the 2000s, Russia paid all the debts collected in the USSR and all the 90s, you started accumulating gold reserves and the piggy bank in the form of a stabilization fund - which you lived on from 2008 to 2011 and from 2014 to 2017.

    Do not make nonsense. To the loot collected from the economy, and thrown into storage tanks abroad, to accounts that are unprofitable, to the enemy, and boastfully boasted of stabilizing the economy ..... Only this way in the hands of our secret Communists is to fight inflation. Withdrawal of money from the economy, and the lack of money from the buyer, naturally will not allow to increase prices.
    It’s normal to fight it, damned, by the method of competition of production workers, when one is ahead of everyone in price, quality and quantity.
    And the state IS LOOKING so that not one of all suddenly starts to crush everyone, and crawl upstairs. becoming more and more a monopolist. As the damned did, for example, with Intel, forcing her to sell part of the production to her competitors Athlone and Duron.
    Track the amount of dough ANNUALLY sailing abroad. Not falling stock. Is growing. And how can you spend it so that ....? Do you have any brains? Think.
    They scold the oligarchs, you know, you bastard, they steal profits from the accounts of the damned. Although they themselves are doing exactly the same thing. Miracles are in the sieve.
    But, damn it, this is only possible when production is in the hands of a private trader. But if the production is still in the hands of the state? Hence the lice, as my comrade foreman in the company said.
    1. -1
      4 January 2020 00: 38
      NASA is a federal office. ESA is not private either.
  39. +1
    4 January 2020 01: 04
    Quote: Brancodd
    NASA is a federal office. ESA is not private either.

    Is it hard to understand that NASA produces nothing. She does not do business like our Railways. She steers and orders music. You do not see the difference between these state-owned companies and our Roskosmos?
    If you order for yourself, drive science for yourself, pay for yourself for fulfilling the ordered pieces of iron for yourself, then you will not find the ends in the mess. Now, if you order ME, then you will quickly find a scammer. At least at the project level, at least at the iron level.
    1. +1
      4 January 2020 01: 45
      So we already had the Federal Space Agency. Functions of a single customer. I am not responsible for anything. I distribute orders. The result is known. By the way, this is not only about the topic under discussion. Here is an example of "successful" private defense assets. Bolotin's tractor plants practically brought KurganMash Zavod (BMP) to bankruptcy. The same situation is with Motovilikhinsimi factories (Multiple launch rocket systems) - the same private property. Here is the Baltic Shipyard and the Northern Shipyard under the control of Pugachev - not a single ship in several years, practically bankruptcy. Don't look for simple efficiency algorithms. Private property - competition - result. This is from the 1990 propaganda of the Ogonyok magazine. Doesn't work here or there. Almost all breakthrough projects in the USA, France, Japan are government long-term planning, where private companies may or may not be involved, this is just a tool.
      1. +2
        4 January 2020 03: 36
        Quote: Brancodd
        Almost all breakthrough projects in the USA, France, and Japan are state long-term planning, where private companies may be involved for implementation, but may not be involved, this is just a tool.

        Why carry nonsense? Basically, all the enterprises of the military-industrial complex are private, competing with each other concerns and such "effective managers" such as Chemezov, Rogozin and similar friends of the president, who will never be responsible for anything. The exception is Switzerland, but even there they want to leave the state model. In Russia, they act primarily in the interests of some individual "close to the body", some results, national interests and other nonsense interests them a little.
  40. -1
    4 January 2020 01: 18
    Leaving Yaroslavna’s cry for slender young ladies, let’s take a look at things with a cold KGB heart. What are the mega successes of the American space program for 2019, at least according to the version of the same SpaceNews magazine:

    - In the summer of 2019, USSD was finally created - yes - yes - the American analogue of the videoconferencing system. For those who have not yet understood - the budget there is huge and closed. Now you understand;)

    - They showed a new spacesuit for walking on the moon. For some reason, the stripes are the colors of the Russian flag. Are there any bastards here?

    - The industry is very worried about gender equality. Limits have already been allocated for the flight to the moon of all 44 representatives or how many floors there are.

    - The building of the Artemis program was being erected at an accelerated capitalist pace. She is the Constellation (2001). She's SLS. She is the return of the Americans to the moon. She's ... the grandest drank dough of all time and all nations, which Obama covered in 2010. True loot defeated evil and Trump in 2017 reopened. From the experience: the aforementioned spacesuit, the former STS fuel tank with engines and a bunch of beautiful renderings - the benefit, unlike the Moon of the NASA program, Unreal Tournament engines really develops.

    - The new director of Artemis from the answer to a direct question when all this miracle will fly evaded. It’s right - another director will already be at the edge in 2024.

    - Under the guise of cutie Bezos (Amazon), NASA drove a spherical tank with a four-foot motor under the guise of a lunar landing module.

    - Now to the main "our everything" - Crew Dragon 2 and Starliner CTS-100.

    - Let's start with the Boeing, which, after success with the aircraft, was forced to part with the CEO. Boeing flew great. True, Hindu programmers for $ 9 per hour forgot to change the time zone in the onboard clock and the rocket launched in Hyderabad. That is OK. By the next flight, this will be fixed and the Star Liner will fly somewhere and fly. Not the fact that the ISS. Fortunately, even the explosion of the capsule from the work of the rescue engines can be declared a success. In general, the design of this miracle of the ship painfully resembles Apollo flattened in length - apparently this is its novelty. Well, and here's another thing: after 60 years, the Americans learned to land parachute on the earth!

    - Turning to the saint - Ilona - may his cosmos extend his years! Everything is great here. Since there is no particular order for a miracle rocket, our ingenious marketer has found a great way out. Watch your hands. We have a car fleet but no customers. What to do? Correctly! To create a front office, which will hire a fleet to deliver empty cardboard boxes and give the fleet mileage as super success with the goal of striking the naive sucker stocks of our fleet. If anyone doesn’t understand, I just briefly described the collaboration between SpaceX and Starlink.

    - We’ll leave a discussion of the Starship flying water tower for an easier rubric “Around the laughter”

    ...

    Alliance with Progress all fly and fly. Boring. Without PR and rendering.

    PS At the moment, the Union is still the only active spacecraft that can fly to the moon (it was built for this purpose).
    1. -3
      4 January 2020 07: 51
      Evgeny Vaganovich, you? How do you feel?
  41. -2
    4 January 2020 01: 34
    Quote: dima314
    GLONASS will be good if there will be no less than 36 satellites spinning there, some of which will perform purely special tasks, and the rest will work for navigation and relay. Can you tell me why our system is many times less accurate than that of the damned? --- I will say that the industry, which was completely ditched, and especially microelectronics, did not suffer at all from astronautics, but vice versa. Many industries have been lost almost completely and therefore cannot produce their own spacecraft for GLONASS and many others. There can be no super astronautics if there are no electronic components. They write that 24 KA of the GLONASS system is necessary for normal operation, not 36.
    What the military wants there, they went nafig with their Wishlist, that's all the money in the pipe. Everyone uses the Internet alone and it is Amersky and Russia is in no way here. And in general, Russia has long been not in the lead, but in the 10s and we must come to terms with this.

    And I will tell you what and why it became so with us. History stretches from afar. From the year 1917. Created a state of workers and peasants. Closed the borders. Loopholes excluded. The exchange of technical, cultural, and other other information is gone. They cooked the economy from a khokhryak, the ability of comrades from the Politburo to understand the ECONOMY. The result was a freak working according to reports, and not by saturating the market with a product. Voluntarism in management. The lowest, fantastically low prices for raw materials, energy, materials moved to consumption, without an account and report. In order not to cut the limits, they poured gasoline, dumped concrete. scrap metal was instilled. Inadvertently, an OVER RELEASED plan is becoming the norm for next year. Landings and executions of negligent lower-level managers gave rise to postscripts, fraud and concealment of reserves. Fraud with product QUALITY. Quality Scam.
    What is the profit received by a normally working production of TAM and ours. Do not know? 5 ... 7% of them per year. Our Ministry had the right to have a profit of 18% per year. Ministry of Coal Industry. The Ministry of Electronic Industry had a ceiling of 24% per year. And what blockhead will strive somewhere with efficiency, when IF you suddenly have, then the Future Plan ...... How to implement?


    So here. This whole kitchen moved us farther and farther BACK. If these bastards are competing, having very expensive materials, labor, energy, and so on, they learned to do it economically and efficiently. We are not. If in 60 years, when microelectronics was still ABOUT US, we copied. But, when the size of the elements mikruh reached microns, we stood up. There was neither the finest optics, nor mechanics, nor a software product that allowed us to be up to standard. And from the 70s they began to lag quickly and faster.
    The collapse of the USSR completed the catastrophe. With a gas price of 4 kopecks per cubic meter, you will NEVER gasify a country. There is no blockhead to enfold our open spaces with thousands of kilometers of pipes, in the name of .... You will not find a blockhead that handles scrap metal from which new steel can be melted, spending energy 5 times less. than from ore. How to report to coal miners, metallurgists, if we invented the technology of steelmaking directly from ore, bypassing pig iron, if the planned figures of the ministries of the coal and metallurgical industries are sharply reduced? The Japanese bought patents and redid their production. Private traders DO NOT need reports. But we are not, and we still cook cast iron.
    1. +2
      4 January 2020 11: 26
      you froze the guy in the slogans of perestroika and the first congresses when the Gaidars and Sobchaks thundered). Go through the forest with your mossy ideas like "Doka Pitsa" and similar liberal husks. What nafig private trader? The shareholders there and the reports are very clear and God forbid you will lie! And planning is held in high esteem and forecasting, too, and without this, no one spends serious money. You are 70 years old and bored alone, so you hang out and carry garbage so that you have someone to hang out with, even virtually.
  42. +1
    4 January 2020 18: 33
    Not you. And all of us. Russian Ukrainians are Georgians, Uzbeks and other peoples of the USSR.
  43. +1
    5 January 2020 14: 00
    Neither in space nor on earth will we see anything good with these.
  44. 0
    5 January 2020 16: 45
    In general, this mission actually means the loss by Russia of a monopoly on the delivery of astronauts to the ISS. It is worth noting that one astronaut brought to the ISS replenished the budget of Roscosmos by $ 80 million. Apparently, someone will have to tighten their belts.

    At the same time, NASA reserved places for flights to the ISS on Soyuz, and SpaceX's manned program was again pushed back due to the accident of the rescue module during tests. How many more years?
    Cosmodrome "Vostochny"; the launch of Schiaparelli to Mars (the crash on landing is the developers' fault); Phobos is probably a heavy charged particle; modules on the same Curiosity; a satellite tanker, produced by an American military corporation, was launched for some reason by Roskosmos; contract with OneWeb.
    The author somehow sees one-sidedly.
  45. -2
    6 January 2020 00: 29
    Another all-crawler. Boeing screwed up, SpaceX flies to idle (no one in their right mind will trust them with a living astronaut in the foreseeable future), but nonetheless - everything was gone, Roscosmos is bankrupt!
    And as for the Israeli and Indian satellite, it’s just funny - "someday they will land on the moon, ah-ah-ah, what a holiday." About the fact that Soviet lunar rovers traveled half a century ago half a century ago - why remember? Maybe because then it will become clear that there is nothing interesting for us ALREADY?
    1. +1
      6 January 2020 14: 43
      SpaceX flies to idle (no one in their right mind will trust them with a living astronaut in the foreseeable future)
      - who told you this?

      . About the fact that the Soviet moon rovers traveled half the moon half a century ago - why remember this?
      - but India and Israel do not possess either the money or the industrial potential of the USSR.

      Maybe because then it becomes clear that there is already nothing interesting for us there?
      - if there is nothing interesting for Russia on the Moon, then why are Russian scientists developing a new lunar program?
  46. -2
    6 January 2020 00: 33
    Quote: ak1978
    Showed a new suit for walking on the moon

    Sorry, but they supposedly already had such spacesuits, half a century ago?
    1. +1
      6 January 2020 14: 41
      What prevents to invent a new one using more advanced technologies? So Russian cosmonauts on the ISS fly not in those in which Gagarin or Leonov flew
  47. -4
    6 January 2020 18: 08
    I don’t put varnish for the article, I don’t put like for the tears and snot of an author who does not know the economy. The USSR set an absolute record for the carrying capacity of launch vehicles, N-1 - 160 tons output, absolutely unattainable performance for the United States for many decades to come, Energy up to 200 tons could bring, if not more, an even more unattainable milestone for the Americans. And then the entire economy of the USSR was destroyed, torn up, and what the United States did with Ukraine is also aimed at destroying competitors in space, too, Russia will not be able to assemble a rocket like Energy.
    So what, according to the author of the article, should they break into a cake, but do more than the USSR did? And in the USSR, personal transport was a luxury, by the way, which means that now it was necessary to take away all the same personal transport from everyone, and make rockets with that money. At the same time, the Russian economy is 10 times smaller than the US economy, and the population is two times smaller, and Japan, Germany, France, and a bunch of smaller states do not pay Russia a tax for the fact that they have Russian military bases, they are given USA list. What they could preserve, they retained, this leadership in nuclear energy, for example, and many others, titanium production, sapphire production (half of world production), but the 90s did not pass painlessly, and it’s a miracle that these missiles are still start up.
    And also remember that the United States could not launch a single astronaut into space until the shuttles learned how to do it with the help of the USSR ... They lied to the whole world that liars flew to the moon.
    1. +3
      7 January 2020 14: 49
      and what and where did n-1 display, can you tell?
      1. -1
        7 January 2020 16: 25
        She scattered billions of Soviet rubles at the start.
  48. 0
    15 January 2020 10: 57
    Quote: K-50
    American equipment crawling on Mars has Russian equipment, some detectors. They themselves could not create such

    Could. But in the space industry, especially the scientific segment, mutual project management is welcomed, because NASA projects always go with a high share of other Agencies.
    But the new Mars rover (will be launched this year, emnip) will no longer carry our devices, alas.
  49. -1
    19 January 2020 14: 26
    that is, the spectrum of rg in the opinion of the author is not an achievement? the fact that the mask ship without people flew up to the ISS is not the end of the monopoly, you can recall its explosion when checking the sas, so the article typical liberds crashed Israeli and Indian srutnik well it happens (I imagine how much shit would it be if our crashed), the mask in general Silence, I’ll only agree on one thing, Russia doesn’t have bright PR projects in space, well, we’ll take humanity into space so used to it (it would be interesting to look at the reaction of Liberda if we refused to carry the Americans in response to sanctions on the northern stream, well we are just cabbies on shohah) and the spectrum of the rg will not give such beautiful photos as a hubl
  50. 0
    19 January 2020 20: 24
    And do you still believe the Americans that their self-propelled gun has been working on Mars for 7 years? After their dumb photos with lizards and boots? With the Moon, noodles were hung all over the world, and now with Mars ...
  51. 0
    5 March 2020 19: 42
    In a country that has destroyed the education and upbringing system, science and engineering school, the very concept of creative personal development is banned and replaced by an immoral and wretched dump-beau monde, and several generations are churning out “advanced users” without honor and conscience, it is difficult to expect breakthroughs and any then reasonable rates of development. Yes, even if you consider that the government, especially the economic bloc, which is more reminiscent of the colonial administration, is more interested in making a profit at any cost, ensuring a small upper class built on nepotism and personal loyalty, with the help of crime and external forces, the so-called. elite, through the plunder and sale of the country's resources. In a society where everything and everyone is measured by loot, where the so-called. business is carried out and is based on schemes and agreements, and not on the law, which is built exclusively for profit, space and science, art and culture, old people and children as things that do not bring immediate income, unprofitable and costly ones are not needed
  52. 0
    14 March 2020 17: 39
    Yes... the Judeo-liberal lobby in Roscosmos is regularly working out the shekels.... soon on a broom to the wooden outhouse and then... there will be nothing to fly with..... the constitution of the occupied state.... but what can I say. ...

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