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Archival affairs. From “class alien” to “loss of party intuition”

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This is what the files of the city committee of the CPSU (b) of the city of Penza look like. The region did not exist then, it did not exist: the Penza region was merged with the Tambov region shortly before

Only vilification, pride, discovery of secrets and insidious ...

Book of Sirach 22:25


History and documents. So, continue acquaintance with documents from the party archive of the Penza region. And today in front of us will be photocopies of documents for 1934. "Year of the congress of winners." Since we don’t have one particular topic, we will read everything in order to make an impression about that time.

We go inside ...

In principle, anyone can work here today, but you need to get permission from the state archive, because OFOPO GAPO is its branch. Many are looking for their relatives. Indeed, all communists had registration cards and personal files, and you can learn a lot from them. For example, that your ancestor, a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, who was awarded orders and medals, was expelled from the party for ... sodomy, and at the same time put on trial for this.

"Police inactive"

Let's start with this document. At one time, VO was my article on hooliganism in Penza and the region, written on the basis of one dissertation on deviant behavior of Soviet citizens of the 20s. But there, the business ended with the 29th year. And now five years have passed, and the problem of hooliganism, as it turned out, as it stood, still stands, especially in the countryside.

"Left bends"

Interestingly, in the 1934 documents (in the newspapers Pravda and Rabochaya Penza), the terms “pest” and “wrecking” have not yet been used. But the talk was about “class alien”, “loss of party flair”, “decomposers” and “leftist bends”. It’s interesting what exactly such “leftist bends” could have been committed by the head of the MTS, but they could not find out from the documents.

"Leftist bends" in dispossession. Recall, the case takes place in 1934!

"Borders on sabotage." But there are no direct accusations of wrecking

"Strict reprimand for the chairman for drinking"

"The Great Combinator Sachkov from Veselovka." The book of Ilf and Petrov made a strong impression, to be sure. And the journalists of the newspaper “Working Penza” used the name of its main character and wrote about the revealed shortcomings. And the city party committee checked the facts and took measures ...

And so this Sachkov was punished ...

Not justified the high confidence ...

"About the abortion of mares"

What kind of affairs did not have to deal with the city committee of the CPSU (b). After all, there were Soviets of working people's deputies, both urban and rural; why then were they? However, the party was even concerned about the mares and the frequent increase in the area of ​​their abortion. In general, the picture is strange if you read the party documents: the police were inactive, the grooms did not watch the uterus, the marriage exceeded 60% in the factories. Did anyone at that time even work as expected?

Bad work was punished severely! But nothing has changed ... In the place of some scammers, others came


"On the homeless"

But this is a very interesting document. On the fight against street children. But where did they come from? The civil war ended in 1922. In the 20s, the struggle against homelessness was very active. And here again, homeless children, and even on the scale that caused the discussion at the city committee level ...

Party organizers also drank ... Yes, and hid their social origin, crawling into the "warm places". That is, the "top" we have far from the best hit ... always? Is this a tradition like that? This Popov was exposed (or rather, it was he himself exposed) and punished. But how many of these “priests” in the country turned out to be smarter? That is, the system was sharpened so that as soon as you went upstairs, you immediately “get there”, betray the working masses, become bourgeois and begin to “work for the West”. A strange system ...


So them, worthless, so!

“Eliminate the breakthrough in 10 days!”

Another indicative document. There is no party propaganda work. Gorkom notes this. Opened the "breakthrough." And then there was an instruction to liquidate it within 10 days. But can such a serious flaw be corrected in such a time? Moreover, to ensure the "high quality of party education" where it was not at all. That's how the party organs themselves pushed people to show off. They set obviously impossible tasks, and then demanded their implementation. And people, so that they would not be punished, all ... "performed." The question is “how?”

“A separate list to the kulak court”

But this is just a unique document. That is, 4 years after the “liquidation of the kulaks as a class”, fists still legally existed on Penza land and they were given tasks by the City Party Committee to “finish the sowing area”. What kind of fists were they? His board and absolutely loyal to the Soviet regime? But the kulak is the same rural moneylender, "world-eater", "spider" - that's what they were called in the village. And suddenly - here is a separate list of "comrades fists". Very interesting. The theme for a separate study is directly: "Soviet fists after collectivization and dispossession."

And someone lost his membership card for refusing to go to the village ...

“Jozefson and his system”

Also very interesting material. In defense of old specialists, here's how. Against administration ... Something familiar blows, is not it? It seems that even today we recently had the “case of doctors” in the Moscow Cancer Hospital related to excessive administration by the director. As you can see, little is changing in our country. The same rake, and we are still stepping on them.

What ended ...

Well, the “book” for 1934 was worked out from cover to cover ... And how many more are there in this archive?


To be continued ...
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  1. svp67
    svp67 7 January 2020 07: 12 New
    +7
    Documents, especially historical ones, are always interesting to read. Thanks for the selection.
    It’s interesting what exactly such “leftist bends” could have been committed by the head of the MTS, but it was not possible to find out from the documents.
    On the next page everything is written: "in dispossession of kulaks and grain purchases."
    This all echoes the article by I.V. Stalin's "Dizziness with success", where he says the same about it:
    "Is it not clear that the authors of these distortions, who imagine themselves to be 'left,' are in fact pouring water on the mill of right opportunism?"
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 7 January 2020 07: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      This all echoes the article by I.V. Stalin's "Dizziness with Success"

      In other words: "Make the fool pray to God, he will break his forehead."

      The tsarist intelligentsia, having gone to the people to fulfill their dreams of building a new state, taught the people only to hate power, and when the people came to power in the 17th, they fully realized all that was taught to them.

      And today there are those who dream that Russia would wash in blood again: "For God's sake, forgive me for persistence. Russia is possible. We are on the way, we are on the way" A. Sokurov. In other words, he says: We will do everything to make Russia wash with blood again.
      1. svp67
        svp67 7 January 2020 07: 46 New
        +6
        Quote: Boris55
        In other words: "Make the fool pray to God, he will break his forehead."

        There were a lot of these "fools" in power, with party tickets and merit, at that time, otherwise Stalin would not have written this article. It was necessary to "cool" too much "hot"
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 7 January 2020 09: 16 New
          +7
          What is true is truth and the fool in power is darkness.
          Stalin is largely accused of whether the matter is different or not, but there is no doubt that he was smart.
          1. kalibr
            7 January 2020 10: 31 New
            -3
            Quote: vladcub
            but there was no doubt that he was smart.

            And he quickly moved the arrows from the top to the bottom. And what did he himself say at the congress of "Marxist Agrarians" in 1929, from which collectivization began?
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 7 January 2020 13: 23 New
              +1
              And what did he say so extremist on conference of Marxist agrarians "On issues of agrarian policy in the USSR", December 27, 1929?
              http://istmat.info/node/20180
              There is not a word about dispossession of anyone there.
              Quote: kalibr
              And he quickly moved the arrows from the top to the bottom. And what did he himself say at the congress of "Marxist Agrarians" in 1929, from which collectivization began?
              Maybe collective farms, as such, began to create from the 29th year?
              1. kalibr
                7 January 2020 13: 52 New
                +3
                I read, you know, a long time ago, in 1985. He did not speak extremist, but he constantly emphasized the fight against the kulaks (they beat them and still did not finish them off, as the mushrooms grew after the rain) and spoke about the speed of the collective farm movement. But this speed was not spontaneous, it was organized from above. And when the “top” did not work out as planned, they blamed everything on the “bottom”. That's all.
                By the way, they didn’t finish it again ... why is the document presented here? So ... we have complete imperfections, then unfinished, but loyal fists, before marriage by 62%, then a communist who does not want to go to the village ...
                1. Vladimir_2U
                  Vladimir_2U 7 January 2020 14: 30 New
                  +3
                  Actually, as a historian
                  Quote: kalibr
                  By the way, they didn’t finish it again ... the document here is why
                  you should know that "the collective farm is a voluntary matter" and although it sounds like not a funny joke, it is not a joke at all and imagine that “Each collective farm and individual farm is awarded, along with the obligation to supply grain to the state, a special obligation for the accrual established by law (Article 14 of the Decree of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR and the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks on mandatory supply of grain to the state by collective farms and individual farms - S.Z. USSR, 1933, N 4, Article 25) for the supply of rural teachers, agronomists and medical workers. Attention, in 33 (and much later, and even in the areas of "continuous" collectivization), individual farms remained, and in relation to them "leftist bends" happened. Of course, this can be attributed to "forgotten", but this does not pull on the analysis of the document.
                  1. kalibr
                    7 January 2020 15: 27 New
                    +2
                    About how voluntary Sholokhov wrote in a letter to Stalin ...
            2. naidas
              naidas 7 January 2020 13: 49 New
              +1
              Quote: kalibr
              Marxist Agrarians "in 1929

              In 1926-1927, the Zinoviev-Trotskyist opposition intensely imposed on the party a policy of an immediate attack on the kulaks. The party did not embark on this dangerous adventure.
              1. kalibr
                7 January 2020 19: 28 New
                +1
                I went on this dangerous adventure in 3 years!
                1. naidas
                  naidas 8 January 2020 09: 52 New
                  -1
                  Quote: kalibr
                  I went on this dangerous adventure in 3 years!

                  And what were the proposals? From 1927 they began to prepare for war, only they missed the enemy.
            3. vladcub
              vladcub 7 January 2020 13: 53 New
              +2
              Humans tend to make mistakes. And V.I. Lenin was wrong, and I was wrong, and you. I will not believe that there is a person who was NOT MISTAKED
      2. kalibr
        7 January 2020 08: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: Boris55
        The tsarist intelligentsia, having gone to the people to fulfill their dreams of building a new state, taught the people only to hate power, and when the people came to power in the 17th, they fully realized all that was taught to them.

        Ha! My wife constantly says that these are the wives of these intellectuals who didn’t wash their floors, didn’t wash their clothes, and didn’t cook, but lived with cooks, servants, laundresses and girls coming, and in our present life. Where they do it all themselves ... They would quickly clear the brains of these revolutionaries !!!
        1. Miki noj
          Miki noj 15 January 2020 22: 14 New
          0
          And your spouse in the Middle Ages did not send. To the knights?
          1. kalibr
            15 January 2020 22: 15 New
            +2
            Do we know each other, Mr. Michelson? You are on the site recently, but be aware that strangers are not poked here.
            1. Miki noj
              Miki noj 15 January 2020 22: 26 New
              0
              But I’m completely on you. Wide nature. And h. Give it to you. And what am I wrong in?
            2. Miki noj
              Miki noj 15 January 2020 22: 29 New
              +1
              Sorry brother. I confused you with one frown. Excuse me.
              1. kalibr
                15 January 2020 22: 44 New
                0
                Anything can happen!
      3. vladcub
        vladcub 7 January 2020 09: 12 New
        +4
        Boris, for some reason I have a question for Sokurov: do you want to wash yourself with blood first? I just doubt what he wants.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 7 January 2020 11: 01 New
          -1
          Quote: vladcub
          for some reason I have a question for Sokurov: do you want to wash your face with blood first?

          In this dialogue, Putin directly told them about it that they would be the first to be buried at the Butovo training ground: “You know, there is such a person ... Lenin ... He came up with, now we cannot understand what to do with the Butovo training ground ... "Will they take a direct hint or not want to, in the hope that they will have time to board the white steamer ...
      4. antivirus
        antivirus 7 January 2020 12: 09 New
        +3
        everything in the article is ABOUT THE PROCESS OF CREATION WALKING THE NATION (Russian-Soviet) AND THE CREATION (WHO SAYS THAT ARTIFICIAL) A UNIFIED AND NEW SOVIET CULTURE.
        the process of self-identification of Cossacks-robbers and serfs (kot's chopped up by Cossacks 20-30 years ago) and merging into one nation.
        the author would compare such "domestication" of Chechens and highlanders now.
        Highlanders in 1990-2020 = Krstians of the early 20th century.
        maybe even closer to the peasants of the 1st half of the 20th century, modern gypsies - rejection of society and 4th grade of secondary school, then "alpine begging" to death

        very many in VO see the world of the 19th and early 20th centuries with their own eyes - from 2 higher (free !!!) education and 2-3 times a year to fly "bask in the sand, at the equator"

        Only Veresaev and Chekhov remained to show the truth of life of the 19th-early 20th centuries
        1. kalibr
          7 January 2020 13: 45 New
          0
          Quote: antivirus
          the author would compare such "domestication" of Chechens and highlanders now.

          No information.
          1. antivirus
            antivirus 7 January 2020 13: 50 New
            +2
            in the archives of the North Caucasus or the NKVD-KGB. minnaz
            1. kalibr
              7 January 2020 14: 39 New
              +2
              Quote: antivirus
              in the archives of the North Caucasus or the NKVD-KGB.

              Do you want to sponsor my work in these archives on this topic? I don’t see the slightest sense.
  2. vladcub
    vladcub 7 January 2020 07: 39 New
    +9
    V. O. and of all comrades who are not indifferent to Russian history and culture, with CHRISTMAS
    1. kalibr
      7 January 2020 08: 05 New
      +7
      Thank you, dear Svyatoslav! In turn, I congratulate all those involved in VO with Christmas! Let us first of all remember and implement the 10 HIS commandments!
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 7 January 2020 08: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: kalibr
        Merry Christmas!

        Gavriiliadа
        ...
        God awarded in him a syllable and a humble mind,
        Moses became a famous gentleman,
        But I, believe me, are not a court historian,
        I do not need a prophet important rank!
        ...
        Author: A. S. Pushkin

        We know only those prophets who are pleasing to the authorities.

        Quote: kalibr
        remember and implement the 10 HIS commandments!

        Jesus was sent by God to the Jewish tribe, at its crucial stage. This does not mean that the Jew is good, then the Russian is the same. As long as we worship the prophets of others, we will not have happiness.
        1. kalibr
          7 January 2020 09: 03 New
          +4
          Quote: Boris55
          This does not mean that the Jew is good, then the Russian is the same

          Do you know any specific RUSSIAN commandments more suitable for us than the Jews? I’m just the commandments And I know, ancient Chinese. And they are also good, in their own way, but they still can not surpass the decalogue.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 7 January 2020 10: 41 New
            +2
            Quote: kalibr
            Do you know any specific RUSSIAN commandments

            Russians do not need commandments. We are not slaves, we are children of God, we are with him on you.

            The commandments are found in the five books of Moses. How many of these five books are located in the Old Testament of the Bible, the man of hatred is simply breathtakingly incl. nor any commandments compensate for this.

            1 commandment : “I am the Lord your God ... May there be no other gods before me” (Exodus 20: 2-3).

            2 commandment: “Do not make yourself an idol or any image of what is in the sky above, and what is on the earth below, and what is in the water below the earth. Do not worship them and do not serve them ”(Exodus 20: 4-6)

            - Only it seems to me that the first commandment contradicts the second?

            3 commandment: “Do not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not leave without punishment the one who pronounces His name in vain ”(Exodus 20: 7).

            - Is this a direct indication of the prohibition of direct communication with God without intermediaries?

            4 commandment: “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Work six days, and do all your work; and the seventh day is the Sabbath to the Lord your God: do not do anything on this day neither you, nor your son, nor your daughter ... For in six days the Lord created heaven and earth, the sea and everything that is in them; and on the seventh day he rested. Therefore, the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it ”(Exodus 20: 8-11) ..

            - Anyone who does business on the Sabbath day may be put to death (Exodus 31:15).

            5 commandment: “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged on the earth which the Lord your God gives you” (Exodus 20:12).

            - If your family calls you to worship other gods ... then kill them ... stone them to death (Deuteronomy 13: 6-10).

            6 commandment: “Do not kill” (Exodus 20:13).

            “And in the cities of these nations, which the Lord your God gives you into your possession, do not leave alive a single soul, ... as the Lord your God commanded you.” (Deuteronomy 20: 16-17).

            - ... do not be afraid of the people of this land; for he will be eaten by us (Numbers 14: 9).

            7 commandment: “Do not commit adultery” (Exodus 20: 14).

            ... and leave all female children who did not know the masculine bed alive for themselves (Numbers 31: 17-18).

            8 commandment: “Do not steal” (Exodus 20:15)

            “... your god will lead you into the land that He swore ... to give you with big and good cities that you did not build, and with houses filled with all good that you did not fill, and with wells carved from stone, which you did not carve, with vineyards and olives that you did not plant, and you will eat and be saturated (Deuteronomy 6: 10-11).

            9 commandment: “Do not bear false witness against thy neighbor” (Exodus 20:16).

            - If you hear about any of your cities that the Lord your God gives you to live in, that ungodly people have appeared in it ... saying: “let’s go and serve other gods that you didn’t know”, ... then ... hit the inhabitants of that city with the tip of the sword, betray his curse and all that is in it, and its cattle, strike with the tip of the sword; But collect all his prey in the middle of his square, and burn the city with fire, and all his prey as a burnt offering to the Lord your God ... (Deuteronomy 13: 12-16).

            10 commandment: “Do not desire your neighbor's house; do not desire your neighbor's wife ... nothing that your neighbor has ”(Exodus 20:17).

            - And they cast a spell on all cities, men and women, and children, and left no one alive (Deuteronomy 2:34).
            1. kalibr
              7 January 2020 10: 56 New
              +1
              And I thought that the commandments of Christ are given in the gospel ...
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 7 January 2020 11: 05 New
                0
                Quote: kalibr
                And I thought that the commandments of Christ are given in the gospel ...

                Check it out. If there is no Bible, then it is available on the Internet. By the way. There are a dozen more books in our Bible than in the European. The same is a very interesting fact ...
                1. kalibr
                  7 January 2020 12: 14 New
                  +2
                  And where, then, is the Decalogue recorded?
                  1. Hantengri
                    Hantengri 7 January 2020 12: 55 New
                    +2
                    Exodus 20: 2-17 and Deuteronomy 5: 6-21. Jesus, in the Sermon on the Mount, formulated about 30 rules.
                    1. kalibr
                      7 January 2020 13: 43 New
                      +2
                      Well, Igor, I’m not a very religious person, I am only interested in the Bible as a source of quotes in articles about knights, so I may not know this.
                2. Doctor
                  Doctor 7 January 2020 15: 33 New
                  +1
                  There are a dozen more books in our Bible than in the European.


                  And what is OUR Bible?
                  1. kalibr
                    7 January 2020 17: 16 New
                    +5
                    "From Boris"
                    1. Boris55
                      Boris55 8 January 2020 08: 11 New
                      0
                      Quote: Arzt
                      And what is OUR Bible?
                      Quote: kalibr
                      "From Boris"

                      So to speak, the "sacred" book was copied more than once, and believe me, not by the will of God, but exclusively in the interests of individuals.

                      Version of the Russian Orthodox Church
                      - 982 year. The Bible was translated by Cyril and Methodius;
                      - 1499 year. The Gennadiev Bible appeared (the first biblical Bible containing the Old and New Testaments);
                      - 1581 year. Bible of the first printer Ivan Fedorov (Ostrog Bible);
                      - 1663 year. Moscow edition Russian Bible (represents a somewhat revised text of the Ostrog Bible);
                      - 1751 year. Elizabethan Bible
                      - 1876 year. The synodal translation distributed by the Russian Orthodox Church today.
          2. Miki noj
            Miki noj 15 January 2020 22: 21 New
            0
            10 commandments are Moses'
        2. vladcub
          vladcub 7 January 2020 09: 24 New
          +5
          Actually, A. S. Pushkin attributed the authorship of Gavriliada to Barkov
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 7 January 2020 10: 45 New
            0
            Quote: vladcub
            Actually, A. S. Pushkin attributed the authorship of Gavriliada to Barkov

            Regarding Gavriliad, the Inquisition turned to the tsar, to which he replied: "I know who wrote to Gavriliad. Don't touch Pushkin." There are two ways to understand, but as a result they had to let Pushkin go.
          2. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 7 January 2020 11: 33 New
            +1
            Absolutely not the style and not the poetic size of Barkov. So Pushkin.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 7 January 2020 08: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: vladcub
      V. O. and of all comrades who are not indifferent to Russian history and culture, with CHRISTMAS

      Thank you Svyatoslav!

      All Orthodox, Merry Christmas! hi
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 7 January 2020 18: 27 New
        +2
        Andrey, I’m not baptized, so don’t congratulate me? request
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 8 January 2020 11: 40 New
          -1
          Quote: Sea Cat
          Andrey, I’m not baptized, so don’t congratulate me?

          With great pleasure, I congratulate you, Konstantin! hi
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 8 January 2020 13: 21 New
            +2
            Thank you, I congratulate you too, Andrey, albeit with some delay. hi
  3. Olgovich
    Olgovich 7 January 2020 07: 40 New
    -5
    What kind of affairs did not have to deal with the city committee of the CPSU (b). After all, there were Soviets of working people's deputies, both urban and rural; why then were they? However, the party was even concerned about the mares and the frequent increase in the area of ​​their abortion. In general, the picture is strange if you read the party documents: the police were inactive, the grooms did not watch the uterus, the marriage exceeded 60% in the factories. Did anyone at that time even work as expected?


    Yes, it's all, a complete ... end! fool

    A public organization (!) Was engaged in .. cutting rye. abortion and insemination of mares, indicated to every peasant .... the area ... of potato crops. appointed to work, removed, put on trial! Though their constitution would be revered ....

    Wildness utterly! It is not without reason that under this regime the number of officials increased ... TEN times compared with Russia, first of all, due to the army of parasites doing nothing (accountants, bookkeepers, freed patrons, etc.). only in this way could people be made to work, not interested in the results of their labor.

    In all seriousness, prosecutors reported that "For crimes against ... CATTLE", thousands of ... PEOPLE were convicted. "

    . On the fight against street children. But where did they come from?

    No wonder: A FEW MILLION people have just died of hunger, hence the street children ...

    Interesting documents, thanks to the author: "So them, so!" yes

    We are waiting for more!
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 7 January 2020 07: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: Olgovich
      No wonder: A FEW MILLION people have just died of hunger, hence the street children ...

      The problem of the homeless was solved by Dzerzhinsky, who died in 1926. The Holodomor was in 1932-33. Homeless people are a problem of war, revolution and civil war, following one after another with virtually no interruptions.
      1. kalibr
        7 January 2020 08: 08 New
        -1
        Quote: Boris55
        Homeless people are a problem of war, revolution and civil war, following one after another with virtually no interruptions.

        Boris! What kind of war in 1934? All the homeless children of those years whom Makarenko did not catch, Grew by this year!
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 7 January 2020 08: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: kalibr
          What kind of war in 1934?

          The war in the 34th? I do not know.

          "... The First World War and the Civil War of 1917-1922 dramatically increased the number of street children. A. Yu. Rozhkov and A. N. Krivonosov indicate the peak value of 1922, when there were 7 million homeless children; according to TSB, this is 6 million per moment 1921.

          The 1920s are considered the largest peak of homelessness in the entire history of the RSFSR-USSR. V. I. Lenin, A. V. Lunacharsky and F. E. Dzerzhinsky were personally involved in solving the problem. At a meeting of January 27, 1921, the Presidium of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee decided to organize a Commission for the Improvement of the Life of Children under the All-Russian Central Executive Committee ... "
          1. kalibr
            7 January 2020 12: 13 New
            +2
            The document is before your eyes. What are you talking about?
        2. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 7 January 2020 12: 26 New
          +3
          The author seems to be completely unaware of modern street children (with live parents) who attack passers-by, among whom Aue promote all sorts of bastards. Here is the first reason for concern: The growth of hooliganism and homelessness contributes to a completely unsatisfactory discipline in the schools of the city. And here are the most possible reasons for the increase in the number of street children (in the current sense of the word), no matter how bitterly aware of it: dispossession and expulsion of dispossessed families in which children escaped or lost, famine of 31-32 years and the mass migration of the population and the death of parents associated with it or their loss by children.
          1. kalibr
            7 January 2020 14: 36 New
            0
            Not at all in the know. There is such a fable "The Elephant-Painter" that you shouldn't mix everything up. Material about documents 34 years old.
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 7 January 2020 14: 44 New
              +3
              Did I understand you correctly?
              Quote: kalibr
              There is such a fable "The Elephant-Painter" that you shouldn't mix everything up. Material about documents 34 years old.
              You
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              The growth of hooliganism and homelessness contributes to a completely unsatisfactory discipline in the schools of the city
              didn’t recognize the quote from the document which they themselves brought? And you can’t even draw the smallest, politically neutral parallel with modernity?
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              And here are the most possible reasons for the increase in the number of street children (in the current sense of the word), no matter how bitterly aware of it: dispossession and expulsion of dispossessed families in which children escaped or lost, famine of 31-32 years and the mass migration of the population and the death of parents associated with it or their loss by children.
              Or do you think this is a bunch? By the way, I am surprised why you did not make out this example in the article.
              1. kalibr
                7 January 2020 15: 25 New
                +1
                Vladimir, I wrote to you, it seems already that this material was written in September. I try not to keep past materials in my head ...
            2. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 7 January 2020 14: 53 New
              +1
              Quote: kalibr
              There is such a fable "The Elephant-Painter" that you shouldn't mix everything up. Material about documents 34 years old

              Kstaati: Also very interesting material. In defense of old specialists, here's how. Against administration ... Something familiar blows, is not it? It seems that even today we recently had the “case of doctors” in the Moscow Cancer Hospital related to excessive administration by the director. As you can see, little is changing in our country. The same rake, and we are still stepping on them. Your article seems to draw parallels all the same, though only when you're interested.
              1. kalibr
                7 January 2020 15: 23 New
                +1
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Your article seems to draw parallels all the same, though only when you're interested.

                Of course! This is the author’s right.
                1. Vladimir_2U
                  Vladimir_2U 7 January 2020 15: 46 New
                  0
                  Well, there's nothing to write about heaps there.
                  1. kalibr
                    7 January 2020 17: 14 New
                    +2
                    What and how I want, then I write. Nobody forbids you to write as you want. And I don’t have to indicate ...
                    1. Andrey VOV
                      Andrey VOV 9 January 2020 23: 32 New
                      +1
                      Don’t be so angry, take criticism calmly, are you a former agitator, or not?
        3. naidas
          naidas 7 January 2020 14: 03 New
          +3
          Quote: kalibr
          What kind of war in 1934?

          Since 1928, the task has been set to eliminate child neglect in the shortest possible time. Urgent: a plan to eliminate street homelessness is being drawn up;
          In the circular of the People’s Commissariat of March 19, 1928, work to eliminate street homelessness was equated with a “combat mission”.
          The mass “seizure” of street children from the streets began all over the country at the same time on the night of April 12–13, 1928, where only OGPU employees were involved.
          On October 1, 1932, the bodies of the Militarized Protection of Railways of the NKPS of the USSR were instructed to detain and sanitize street children traveling by rail, to provide them with food and cultural leisure.
          Report on child homelessness in the city of Bryansk and Danilovsky receiver in Moscow 1933
          - For January-February-March. 1933 the throughput of the Moscow-Bryansk station reached 250-300 street children per month.
          Since 1935, the decree “On the Elimination of Child Homelessness and Neglect” has been in force.
          M. Prehner. Homeless children on Pushkin Square, 1932−1935
          Thus, the elimination of mass child neglect took about 15 years.
          1. ssm
            ssm 7 January 2020 14: 11 New
            -2
            Quote: naidas
            Thus, the elimination of mass child neglect took about 15 years.

            At first, the Bolsheviks created homelessness. Then, over the course of 15 years, it was eliminated, often together with the unprisoners themselves.
            Shikardos. Dripping a hole before lunch and digging it in after lunch just rest.
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 7 January 2020 15: 07 New
              +3
              Quote: ssm
              At first, the Bolsheviks created homelessness. Then, over the course of 15 years, it was eliminated, often together with the unprisoners themselves.
              This is a call, oh these Bolsheviks: first they dragged the Republic of Ingushetia into a war that was unnecessary to it, leaked domestic politics, merged the country in a bourgeois coup, took power in a torn country in October (what if they organized a bourgeois coup?), Unleashed the Civil War, and intervened , unleashed the Soviet-Polish war and to the heap CREATED homelessness! And the chapel itself, no million chapels! Olga will not let lie.
            2. naidas
              naidas 8 January 2020 09: 48 New
              0
              Quote: ssm
              At first, the Bolsheviks created homelessness.

              We heard about NEP, this market has regulated, as in the 2000s
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 7 January 2020 08: 50 New
        -10
        Quote: Boris55
        The problem of the homeless was solved by Dzerzhinsky, who died in 1926.

        It has not been resolved.
        Quote: Boris55
        The Holodomor was in 1932-33. Homeless are the problem of war revolution and civil war, following one after another with virtually no interruptions.

        AND HUNGER. The adults died, the children remained. there was also a set from, of course. As was the case in the first Soviet famine of 1921-22, about which the writer Korolenko said: "Artificial hunger"
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 7 January 2020 10: 52 New
          +4
          Quote: Olgovich
          As was the case in the first Soviet famine of 1921-22, about which the writer Korolenko said: "Artificial hunger"

          The height of the civil war. Abroad, she arranged a bikot and threw firewood into the civil war ... Half of the men were killed, the other in different troops and gangs. Who should sow bread?
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 7 January 2020 11: 05 New
            -9
            Quote: Boris55
            The height of the civil war.

            In ... Volga 21-22 g?
            Quote: Boris55
            Abroad, she arranged a bikot and threw firewood into the civil war ..

            Abroad SAVED MILLIONS, if you do not know
            Quote: Boris55
            Who should sow bread?

            Read the KOROLENKO about this TRAGEDY: he clearly described everything: who sowed, who sowed off = last, condemning death to starvation.
            1. novel66
              novel66 7 January 2020 11: 15 New
              +9
              in the 2000s he was on a business trip in Tyumen and at the station he watched quite street children for himself ... are the communists to blame too?
              1. kalibr
                7 January 2020 13: 42 New
                +2
                Roman, and what is your 2000th in relation to the 34th? What is the connection? No need to do this. This is not an argument.
                1. novel66
                  novel66 7 January 2020 15: 01 New
                  +4
                  and Olgovich translates everything into Communists, I just wanted to clarify that street children under any authorities will and with any authorities have to deal with this phenomenon, and it’s very good that the Pezen communists were concerned about this
                2. naidas
                  naidas 8 January 2020 09: 47 New
                  0
                  Quote: kalibr
                  where is your 2000th in relation to the 34th?

                  And 17-year-olds can be homeless. I have a friend with a girlfriend in the 70s who secretly left home in the Kherson region (which young people have been sitting in a remote village all their lives for), the truth went to Vladivostok, arrived in Murmansk, where she still lived for 30 years.
                  And here as we have in the 2000s, the NEP will run all the more (the program on the homeless was adopted in 1928 and completed in 1935)
              2. Catfish
                Catfish 7 January 2020 18: 32 New
                +1
                But whoever is in power is to blame. laughing Name at least one non-communist at the top of power in our country over the past fifty years. bully
                Merry Christmas, Roman! drinks
            2. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 7 January 2020 12: 45 New
              +3
              Olgovich as usual pulled out the quote “Our hunger is not spontaneous, but artificial,” wrote V.G. Korolenko M. Gorky August 10, 1921
              Quote: Olgovich
              Read the KOROLENKO about this TRAGEDY: he clearly described everything: who sowed, who sowed off = last, condemning death to starvation.
              Well, let him quote the words of Korolenko, and not his own "thoughts".
              Here is this letter:
              http://korolenko.lit-info.ru/korolenko/pisma-korolenko/letter-8.htm
              Here is another letter:
              http://korolenko.lit-info.ru/korolenko/pisma-korolenko/letter-9.htm
              and below, in the notes, about hunger and confusion of power in this regard
            3. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 7 January 2020 12: 52 New
              +5
              Incidentally, Korolenko wrote this, and incidentally, in 20-21 years:
              “The old system has fallen irrevocably. The new will still have to get out of its mistakes, sometimes madness and crimes, but the old has perished,” wrote Korolenko at the end of 1920. And in 1921 he came to the conclusion: “... every nation deserves the government that it has: the Russian people deserved the Bolsheviks with their excessive patience. They brought the people to the brink of the abyss. But we saw Denikinites and Wrangel. They gravitated too much to the landlords and to tsarism. And this is even worse. This would mean plunging the country into insanity. ... "
              Source: http://tolstoy-lit.ru/tolstoy/bio/lure-posle-tolstogo/korolenko-i-gorkij.htm
              Somehow the most educated Olgovich missed this ?! Although what am I talking about? After all, selective vision and memory are organically inherent in demagogues and lies.
              1. ssm
                ssm 7 January 2020 13: 00 New
                -4
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                But we saw both Denikin and Wrangel. They gravitated too much to the landowners and to tsarism. And this is even worse. This would mean to plunge the country into insanity ... "

                And who is this, Korolenko? Is that a competitor to grandma Vanga and grandfather of Nosradamus?
                You never know who and what to write. You opinion Korolenko may be interesting. And everyone else, no.
                1. vladcub
                  vladcub 7 January 2020 13: 18 New
                  +4
                  I know V. G. Korolenko writer: "The Blind Musician" and "In a Bad Society"
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 7 January 2020 13: 26 New
                    +2
                    He worked hard to fight hunger, and, oddly enough, he began strongly before the revolution, not even in 1917, but in 1905.
                2. Vladimir_2U
                  Vladimir_2U 7 January 2020 13: 27 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  which the writer Korolenko said: "Artificial hunger"

                  Did you write this to me, or to Olgych? Personally, I wrote to Olga, definitely not for you.
        2. naidas
          naidas 7 January 2020 14: 08 New
          0
          Quote: Olgovich
          As was the case in the first Soviet famine of 1921-22, about which the writer Korolenko said: "Artificial hunger"

          can you find out in which year Korolenko said this?
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 7 January 2020 14: 36 New
            +1
            Here is this letter:
            http://korolenko.lit-info.ru/korolenko/pisma-korolenko/letter-8.htm
            And the rest is nonsense of Olgych.
            Here is another letter:
            http://korolenko.lit-info.ru/korolenko/pisma-korolenko/letter-9.htm
            and below, in the notes, about hunger and confusion of power in this regard
            1. naidas
              naidas 7 January 2020 15: 55 New
              +1
              Thanks. It’s not clear what artificiality is.
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 7 January 2020 16: 26 New
                +3
                All the same, Korolenko was at that time almost 70 years old, plus a serious illness could well reduce the adequacy of perception, so he wrote this. I think so.
      3. vladcub
        vladcub 7 January 2020 10: 39 New
        +3
        In fact, Yushchenko claims that the famine was only in Ukraine, and you contradict
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 7 January 2020 17: 26 New
          +1
          In fact, Yushchenko claims that the famine was only in Ukraine


          He is wrong. The Germans were also tortured. There really is not a famine, but rather small difficulties.

          Special memorandum of the GPU ASSR of the Volga Germans on food difficulties in the cantons on January 28, 1932
          Not earlier than 28.01.19321/XNUMX/XNUMX
          Top secret
          Pokrovsky canton. Food difficulty in with. Ternovka still remains in a tense state, collective farmers daily come to the board to ask for bread, which they are denied. Under such conditions, all work on the collective farm passes from under the stick. The grooms in each brigade say: "We get 500 g, and our family is dying of hunger."
          Fedorov canton. ... On January 6, 1931, Kartuzov’s wife came to the collective farm’s pantry with a knife in her hands, took 2 loaves of bread and went home, among these families there are cases of swelling, as feed on cabbage and licorice root. The son of Pravidonova, 15 years old, from malnutrition with difficulty began to stand on her feet.
          Marxstad canton. ... In the family of collective farmer Rimmer David Davidovich (family of 5 people, 1 able-bodied), due to malnutrition, there are swollen family members. Collective farmer Wagner Heinrich, an honest, zealous collective farmer whose family is absolutely starving and swollen from malnutrition. The family of the collective farmer Herbert Heinrich, whose brothers work in the collective farm workshop, and their families begin to swell from malnutrition ...
          Pom. beg. GPU RNP Megesh
          The beginning SPO Korotkov
          GANISO. F. 1. Op. 1. D. 2086. L. 16–18. Script.


          And why? So, after all, we need a currency, we take it away from some Germans, we break it down with others to take more.

          From the protocol No. 84 of the meeting of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks “On our requirements for the German government about our grain export”
          16.01.1932
          35/131. 1. To agree to the entry into force for the 1932–33 agricultural year of German preferences for Romania and Hungary, provided that German parastatal organizations purchase from us at least 75% of German rye gross imports and 30% of 1932 gross wheat imports (from August 1 1932 to August 1, 1933).
          2. With regard to barley and corn, to seek the commitment of the German government to such an impact on German firms that would ensure us the sale of at least 35-40% of the gross import of corn .....
          RGASPI. F. 17. Op. 162. D. 11. L. 129. A certified copy.


          A planned socialist economy — it is like that.
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 7 January 2020 19: 59 New
            +1
            there were "minor difficulties" in the Caucasus and the Volga region. What happened was that we were not able to fix what had happened.
            Regarding the "planned economy" this is a difficult question: of course, planning is necessary, but you also need to think with your head. And then some officials decided that if they said from above: the site of the first and let's sow even in the snow. Above said: "to catch up and overtake Iowa" and let's sow corn at the North Pole.
            Above said: the fight against alcohol and let's comb the vineyards.
            So of course you need a plan, but you need a head
      4. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 7 January 2020 11: 56 New
        +1
        There was no "Holodomor", there was a famine, the spells of the puppies of the mercenaries and liberals should not be repeated
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 7 January 2020 16: 35 New
          +1
          There was no "Holodomor", there was a famine, the spells of the puppies of the mercenaries and liberals should not be repeated


          Letter I.V. Stalin Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) L.M. Kaganovich and V.M. Molotov1 on grain procurement of 1932
          18.06.1932
          Secretly
          The main mistake of our grain procurement work in the past year, especially in Ukraine and the Urals, is that the grain procurement plan was deployed by districts and collective farms and was carried out not in an organized manner, but spontaneously, according to the “principle” of leveling, it was carried out mechanically, without taking into account the situation in each individual district, without regard to the situation on each individual collective farm. As a result of this mechanically-equalizing attitude to the matter, a glaring inconsistency was obtained, due to which in Ukraine, despite a good harvest, a number of productive regions were in a state of ruin and hunger, and in the Urals the regional committee deprived itself of the opportunity to help the barren areas at the expense of the productive areas of the region . I'm not talking about the fact that a number of the first secretaries (Ukraine, the Urals, partly the Nizhny Novgorod Territory) were carried away by the giants of industry and did not pay due attention to agriculture, forgetting that without a systematic upsurge in agriculture, we cannot have an upsurge in industry. In this, by the way, the secretaries were isolated from the village. The results of these errors are now affecting the sowing business, especially in Ukraine, with several tens of thousands of Ukrainian collective farmers still traveling all over the European part of the USSR and decomposing collective farms with complaints and whining.
          J. Stalin
          AP of the Russian Federation. F. 3. Op. 40. D. 80. L. 114–117. Copy.
          Published: Stalin and Kaganovich. Correspondence. 1931-1936. M., 2001. S. 179-180.
      5. Doctor
        Doctor 7 January 2020 16: 13 New
        +1
        The problem of the homeless was solved by Dzerzhinsky, who died in 1926. The Holodomor was in 1932-33. Homeless people are a problem of war, revolution and civil war, following one after another with virtually no interruptions.


        Special message of the Secret Political Department of the OGPU of the USSR on the mass abandonment of children by peasants in Kiev
        22.05.1932
        Top secret
        Over the past few days in Kiev, mass cases of abandonment of small children by peasants were recorded.
        During with 6 on 10 yeast this year urban police districts matched in different places of the city and in the bazaars over 100 children from the age of 6 months. up to 10 years exported and abandoned by peasants.
        So, for example: in the Oktyabrsky district of the police for the indicated time, 25 children were selected from the age of 8 months. up to 10 years. The boulevard district of the militia picked up 10 children aged 2 to 6 years. The Petrovsky district of the police picked up 12 children aged 1 year to 8 years. The Stalin police district selected 24 children from the age of 6 months. up to 6 years. In other areas, selected children are of the same age.
        The beginning SPO OGPU G. Molchanov
        The beginning 2 branches Lyushkov
        TSA FSB of the Russian Federation. F. 2. Op. 10. D. 508. L. 453. A certified copy.
    2. vladcub
      vladcub 7 January 2020 09: 39 New
      +8
      Olgovich, and if nerds do not want to think with their heads? Let the city at least correct.
      That the city was doing all this is good and bad. At least they chewed bread for nothing and really delved into everything, and receivers from the 70-80s were mostly lodar.
      That the Soviets of Deputies pushed it back and Stalin did not like it and he wanted to rectify the situation
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 7 January 2020 10: 07 New
        +1
        Yes, something has not been fixed.
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 7 January 2020 10: 34 New
          +4
          This confirms that Stalin was not omnipotent.
          1. kalibr
            7 January 2020 10: 54 New
            +4
            Svyatoslav, and not one ruler is not omnipotent. It is not worthwhile to absolutize the "omnipotence" of any ruler. This has been understood in Russia since ancient times. Whence the saying: "The king pays, but the huntsman does not favor". And the other - "Give a commemoration to the king, the Indo and the hound!"
          2. novel66
            novel66 7 January 2020 11: 16 New
            +2
            Yes, they killed him simply when he was closely engaged in this issue.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 7 January 2020 11: 10 New
        -7
        Quote: vladcub
        Olgovich, and if nerds do not want to think with their heads? Let the city at least correct.

        So who put the cretins? See the above documents and the rest: the party and set.

        PS party to engage in mare abortion and insemination is beyond reason .....
        1. kalibr
          7 January 2020 12: 05 New
          -5
          Quote: Olgovich
          So who put the cretins? See the above documents and the rest: the party and set.

          This is the most annoying thing for minusers and sovkodrocherov!
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 7 January 2020 13: 35 New
            +5
            Quote: kalibr
            So who put the cretins? See the above documents and the rest: the party and set.

            This is the most annoying thing for minusers and sovkodrocherov!

            Oh, how nice, but what would not be to draw parallels with "United Russia" - the so-called party of power? Or, for example, a tsar-father, when the devil-what was happening on the ground, especially during the wars? And let the Bulkokhrusty Liberals pass up.
            1. kalibr
              7 January 2020 14: 00 New
              +1
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Oh, how nice, and what would not be to draw parallels with the "United Russia" - the so-called party of power?

              Bring, Vladimir, who is stopping you. I can't keep up everywhere. The material must be collected, studied, thought over ... even write and it takes time. This material was ready in September. What day is today? So if you are interested in this topic, then - please write, I’m sure that the site administration will provide you with a full carte blanche.
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 7 January 2020 14: 34 New
                +2
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Oh, how nice, but what would not be to draw parallels with "United Russia" - the so-called party of power? Or, for example, a tsar-father, when the devil-what was happening on the ground, especially during the wars? And let the Bulkokhrusty Liberals pass up.
                Well, now I have drawn parallels, just not in the article, but in the commentary.
                1. kalibr
                  7 January 2020 15: 21 New
                  +1
                  These are not parallels, but references to them. This is not enough. You need at least 8000 characters. Show how, what, where ... documents contradicting each other ... there are many interesting things.
          2. naidas
            naidas 7 January 2020 14: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: kalibr
            This is the most annoying thing for minusers and sovkodrocherov!

            The article is minus one shoot, where are the Stalin shootings?
            And the fact that Stalin did not have other managers (writers), he told Polikarpov himself.
            1. kalibr
              7 January 2020 14: 31 New
              0
              Quote: naidas
              The article is minus one shoot, where are the Stalin shootings?

              And party organizations did not do this. They only expelled from the ranks ...
              1. naidas
                naidas 7 January 2020 15: 56 New
                +1
                Quote: kalibr
                And party organizations did not do this. They only expelled from the ranks ...

                But Olgovich disagrees with you, and whom to believe?
                1. kalibr
                  7 January 2020 19: 34 New
                  +1
                  Quote: naidas
                  But Olgovich disagrees with you, and whom to believe?

                  To the documents!
        2. naidas
          naidas 7 January 2020 14: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: Olgovich
          So who put the cretins?

          -Stalin has no other leaders for Comrade Olgovich.
          Quote: Olgovich
          PS party to mare abortion and insemination is beyond reason

          It was necessary, as now, right away to court, the court understands more.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 7 January 2020 14: 49 New
            -6
            Quote: naidas
            Stalin has no other leaders for comrade Olgovich.

            Not for Olgovich, but for "ten million fervent party hearts."

            they were worthy of each other. lol
    3. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 7 January 2020 13: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: Olgovich
      TEN times in comparison with Russia, first of all, at the expense of the army of parasites doing nothing (accountants. Accountants. Freed patrons, etc.)
      This miracle Olgych considers accountants and rationing experts as parasites, maybe he also considers sweepers as parasites? By the way, political workers in the army have now been replaced by psychologists and attention, worshipers! Is Olgovich able to draw parallels?
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 7 January 2020 14: 51 New
        -6
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Et

        Set aside foul words.
        I do not read you and do not answer you.

        HOW else to say? request
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 7 January 2020 14: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: Olgovich
          Set aside foul words.
          I do not read you and do not answer you

          That's right, Olga is not a reader, he is a writer!
  4. Slavutich
    Slavutich 7 January 2020 08: 53 New
    0
    Against administration ... Something familiar blows, is not it? It seems that today, too, we had recently the "case of doctors" in the Moscow Cancer Hospital

    Things are similar, but the essence is different, no connection other than external similarity.
  5. bistrov.
    bistrov. 7 January 2020 09: 38 New
    +5
    Relatives, so it was: listened, decided ....
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 7 January 2020 11: 11 New
      -8
      Quote: bistrov.
      To relatives, it was such a breath: listened, decided.

      failed.
      And again: "listened, decided, etc." yes .
      1. bistrov.
        bistrov. 9 January 2020 08: 28 New
        -1
        Quote: Olgovich
        did not comply.

        For "not fulfilling" they asked harshly, they could have given a kick in the ass, or else smeared the forehead with green stuff, depending on the circumstances, not that now ... just chatter, there, Rogozin, the first example.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 9 January 2020 10: 30 New
          -3
          Quote: bistrov.
          For "not fulfilled" they asked harshly, they could have given a kick in the ass, or else smeared the forehead with green stuff, depending on the circumstances

          Yes Yes. therefore came to disaster 91 year
          1. bistrov.
            bistrov. 10 January 2020 08: 00 New
            -1
            Quote: Olgovich
            came to disaster in '91

            - The degeneration of party nomenclature has grown into a general weakening of discipline and order. The institutions of state power ceased to fulfill their functions due to the outspoken enemies, cowards and other villains who were at the head of them. It is the lack of proper demand for the assigned plot of affairs that led to this.
            - Beginning in 1922, the Bolsheviks, and then the CPSU, pursued an erroneous national policy, which led to the collapse of the USSR.
            - Unfortunately, at that moment there was no organizing force that would prevent this.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 10 January 2020 11: 57 New
              -3
              Quote: bistrov.
              The degeneration of party nomenclature has grown into a general weakening of discipline and order. Government Institutions stopped execution their functions because of those who were at the head of them outright enemies, cowards and other villains
              .

              Oops!
              What about
              Quote: bistrov.
              For "not fulfilled" they asked hard, they could have given a kick in the ass
              belay request ?

              something doesn't bind.
              By the way, why are these villains flown under this power? like flies on. honey?
              Quote: bistrov.
              Beginning in 1922, the Bolsheviks, and then the CPSU, pursued an erroneous national policy, which led to the collapse of the USSR.
  6. BAI
    BAI 7 January 2020 10: 02 New
    +7
    1. In a previous article it was written:
    Well, it’s clear that at that time only people who taught the history of the CPSU at a university could go to the OK CPSU archive, having the form of admission to secret documents No. 2.

    2. And now the rhetorical question is being asked:
    Well, the “book” for 1934 was worked out from cover to cover ... And how many more are there in this archive?

    Well then the answer is - "Everything! All documents in a closed archive are negative." A possible exception is the overfulfillment of production plans during the war years.
    What information has been kept secret, and will be kept secret? One that, when falling into enemy hands, can harm the state. Therefore, the author very successfully chose a place to search - in the closed archive ALL information is negative. For positive information, why not assign a security stamp.
    Having a beautiful, clean sea nearby, the author dives into a cesspool, and without ever lying, says: "There are no pearls here!" Only the absence of pearls in the cesspool extends to the whole sea, where there are plenty of pearls.
    1. kalibr
      7 January 2020 10: 27 New
      0
      You are absolutely right, Sergey (sorry if you forgot the name again), there is enough shit "there". But they didn't write about it. It was all hidden. And when the critical mass gained, it exploded. There are newspapers where everything is OK. But the truth lies in the middle, right? Between a cesspool and flowering bushes. And the hole was bigger, otherwise the 91st would not have come, right? And what did Lenin write? The masses should KNOW EVERYTHING AND ONLY THEN ACTION CONSCIOUSLY. And what happened? The masses did not know everything and acted unconsciously. That is, it depended on the PEOPLE that got up. And they could not stop them, because they DIDN'T KNOW EVERYTHING. Well, but now anyone, including you, can go to any archive and have access to any historical documents.
      1. BAI
        BAI 7 January 2020 14: 49 New
        0
        1.
        The mass must KNOW EVERYTHING AND ONLY THEN ACT CONSCIOUSLY.

        You are constantly positioning yourself as an expert in PR technologies. Then you should know the main slogan of advertising and propaganda: "Speak the truth, speak a lot of the truth, never tell the whole truth." What are the claims to political scientists of the 30s? Just that they acted absolutely correctly, without telling the whole truth? At the same time, I repeat, it is in principle unacceptable to disclose everything, so that information does not fall into enemy hands and cause damage to the state. Now it’s impossible to ask Lenin, but I don’t doubt for a second that he meant all the information necessary for a certain level of performers - some more, some less.
        1. kalibr
          7 January 2020 15: 17 New
          +2
          I do not position ... I taught this from 1995 to 2017 and did it in practice, wrote 6 textbooks for the Russian Federation and Germany. And I know both slogans and practice. And ... that’s how I won’t answer you, the question is complex. So far, be satisfied that I am giving here photocopies of documents that you would never have otherwise seen. Who else can put something like this here? But it’s interesting, isn’t it?
          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 9 January 2020 23: 43 New
            0
            You don’t have to discover America, whoever would see, yes, you are a resident of Penza, the Penza archives, a resident of another area can look exactly the same in his archive, I don’t understand one thing, you were there in September, the material is now here, but it doesn’t that they should be engaged in it for three months and give out such an article to the mountain ...... sorry, but I wrote a term paper for the usual archival practice for less than a month and then the head hummed for a long time that it was a good basis for the candidate .... ..but what the hell is a fool for me in 93, the candidate .......
    2. kalibr
      7 January 2020 10: 51 New
      0
      Quote: BAI
      Having a beautiful, clear sea nearby,

      By the way, we will also look into the "clean sea", I promise. But I am sure that you will not like it either ...
      1. BAI
        BAI 7 January 2020 14: 51 New
        +3
        And there are spots on the sun, no one argues. But no one canceled the saying about a pig and dirt. It would be a desire.
        1. kalibr
          7 January 2020 15: 10 New
          0
          Quote: BAI
          And there are spots on the sun, no one argues.

          And rightly so! But when there are many spots, the sun goes out! And again, in the saying that says: ... will find !!! And then there is no need to look. All 4 floors are mostly solid mud. A fly in the ointment spoils a barrel of honey. And if you are equally divided in tar with honey? That is not honey anymore.
  7. bubalik
    bubalik 7 January 2020 10: 07 New
    +7
    Vyacheslav. As you said:
    Incomplete knowledge! About that and the article. INCOMPLETE. And how much% incomplete. This is important

    ,, according to several extracts from the protocols, it is impossible to fully evaluate the work of the city committee.
    And according to the information given, you are trying to form the attitude of readers towards this period, according to your opinion.
    Was it really that bad?
    1. kalibr
      7 January 2020 10: 19 New
      +1
      Sergei! About that and speech. On the one hand, the newspaper "Rabochaya Penza", where there are also shortcomings, but in a completely different way. In the documents of the City Committee of the CPSU (b), everything is as you see. I would gladly bring something else, but I haven't found it yet. After all, I am writing at the end because maybe someone will be able to go to their archive and look for something "their own" there. Because I cannot publish all the "brick" of reports for the year here. Even if the VO administration went for it, you would be tired of reading on the 5th page, it is all so boring and monotonous. For example, I can't work there for more than an hour, it's just morally difficult.
      Quote: bubalik
      Was it really that bad?

      By the way, I decided to look into 1963. Got on a medical report in Penza. Free ...
      I’m preparing an article on it now. Read ...
      And, by the way, reading all these documents, I am once again convinced of what a talented, hardworking, patient people we have (Stalin raised a toast to the patience of the Russian people for a reason, he was 100% right), and at the same time ... how much ... the "freedom" imposed on him was imperfect. Unless Tommaso Companella's City of the Sun was worse. Although he himself ... yes, he was a hero! Something like that...
      1. naidas
        naidas 7 January 2020 14: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: kalibr
        In the documents of the City Committee of the CPSU (b) everything is as you see.

        What do you think in the Gorky CPSU (b) wrote about happiness or problems?
        1. kalibr
          7 January 2020 14: 28 New
          0
          Quote: naidas
          What do you think in the Gorky CPSU (b) wrote about happiness or problems?

          They wrote about the problems. I have not met specifically about happiness. Although in letters to the top "thanks for our happy life" is found. And right there - "there is no direct hunger, people do not swell, but the problems with food on the collective farms are very serious (for the year 37, a report from the NKVD to the city committee)
  8. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 7 January 2020 10: 11 New
    +5
    A small clarification of what is called "catching fleas". The Soviets of Working People's Deputies appeared after the adoption of the 1936 Constitution. In 1934 there were also Soviets of Workers ', Peasants' and Red Army Deputies.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 7 January 2020 11: 46 New
      +4
      These are not "fleas". This is knowledge of your history, that is, an indicator of the quality of the original article. I don’t think that the teacher of the History of the CPSU is looking for anything in the archives except negative. In this way, he thinks to pray for his praises to "Dear Leonid Ilyich", said repeatedly in the corresponding period. Now the period is different - the Great said that except for galoshes there was nothing, so there was not. And Stalin made his toast about the Russian people because the people won in spite of their leadership.
      1. kalibr
        7 January 2020 12: 04 New
        +2
        Quote: Aviator_
        quality of the original article

        Sergei, there is no article here. Where did you see her? Here are photocopies of documents. And if you are not blind and know how to read and write, then ... "pictures have everything". Or you can order copies of any documents yourself and read at your leisure. Or are you satisfied with the position of an ostrich, head in the sand? I am not ... and something "to beg" is stupid. So it was, so everyone "worked" and there is nothing wrong with that. Honestly performing your duties is not a shame!
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 7 January 2020 12: 11 New
          +2
          Vyacheslav, agree that the historian needs to know the authorities and their names in the corresponding period, this is a sign of qualification
          1. kalibr
            7 January 2020 12: 26 New
            +2
            I agree! But in this case, this is not critical. This would be critical in an article about the work of the Soviets at different times.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 7 January 2020 12: 33 New
        -4
        Quote: Aviator_
        And his toast about the Russian people, Stalin p
        Yes Yes....

        "I DO NOT WISH to speak Russian.
        I ALWAYS HATE and HATE Russia.
        I have nothing to do with the Russian people "

        Svetlana Iosifovna Stalin's daughter

        And where did she learn that? belay request
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 7 January 2020 12: 47 New
          +1
          The opinion of the recent major is not interesting to me. Unlike sons, Stalin was very unlucky with his daughter.
          1. kalibr
            7 January 2020 13: 37 New
            +2
            Sergei! He didn't buy it on the market and won the lottery. He brought up such ... or "did not educate", she herself was brought up next to him.
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 7 January 2020 15: 22 New
              +1
              Well, yes, he did not let the 16-year-old copulate with the 40-year-old Kapler, "an innocent victim of repression."
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 7 January 2020 16: 00 New
                -6
                Quote: Aviator_
                Well, yes, I didn’t copulate 16 year old with 40-summer Kapler, "an innocent victim of repression


                yes, it inspired: THE SAME was already in 1917 in the Alliluyev family in St. Petersburg, but there dad allowed his friend "to be friends with his daughter, 16 year old nadia ...

                somehow inconsistent friend, no?
              2. kalibr
                7 January 2020 17: 07 New
                +1
                A child as a person is created up to 5 years, all teachers know this, it is written in all textbooks on pedagogy, and this is what it is. At 16 this is a person with whom it is too late to do something. It used to be.
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 7 January 2020 17: 10 New
                  0
                  It remains only to conduct legally the legal capacity of this person from 5 years old, and not from 18, as now.
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich 7 January 2020 14: 45 New
            -4
            Quote: Aviator_
            The opinion of the recent major is not interesting to me. Unlike sons, Stalin was very unlucky with his daughter.

            He adored her, if not in the know.
            Where did she pick up anti-Soviet?

            By the way, the very Stalin and .... major ?!

            Quote: Aviator_
            Unlike sons

            Basil, yes. typical major6 recall his drinking, partying, fishing with killing, Lieutenant General at age 27 and fatal alcohol.
            1. kalibr
              7 January 2020 15: 08 New
              +1
              Quote: Olgovich
              Where did she pick up anti-Soviet?

              Next to the great father, of course.
        2. solzh
          solzh 7 January 2020 14: 11 New
          +4
          Quote: Olgovich
          Quote: Aviator_
          And his toast about the Russian people, Stalin p
          Yes Yes....

          "I DO NOT WISH to speak Russian.
          I ALWAYS HATE and HATE Russia.
          I have nothing to do with the Russian people "

          Svetlana Iosifovna Stalin's daughter

          And where did she learn that? belay request

          Even here you do not give the exact phrase ...
          She said this:
          I have been an American citizen for 30 years. And I do not want to speak Russian. I always hated Russia, Soviet Russia. I will never return to Russia, no matter how much they talk about it. I am not ethnic Russian.

          Source: https://kp.ua/politics/58187-doch-stalyna-svetlana-allylueva-ya-vsehda-nenavydela-sovetskuui-rossyui
          Offended by the life of a bitch, blaming her Great Father Joseph Vissarionovich for her failed, worthless life.
          1. kalibr
            7 January 2020 14: 26 New
            0
            Quote: solzh
            Offended by the life of a bitch,

            On ... Mars, right?
            1. solzh
              solzh 7 January 2020 14: 38 New
              0
              Quote: kalibr
              On ... Mars, right?

              At least on Saturn. She is no better and no worse than all those traitors who fled to the west and who yapped at their homeland and poured mud at it from behind the "hillock".
              1. kalibr
                7 January 2020 15: 07 New
                +2
                Quote: solzh
                Though on Saturn.

                So do not understand why it is written about Mars?
                1. solzh
                  solzh 7 January 2020 15: 09 New
                  0
                  Quote: kalibr
                  So do not understand why it is written about Mars?

                  Honestly, I didn’t understand.
                  1. kalibr
                    7 January 2020 17: 04 New
                    +1
                    Sergey, how so? She was brought up among the KREMLIN CHILDREN, and not on MARS !!! She studied at a good school, not in any village. The Kremlin doctors, a good table, rest houses where she visited with her dad, listened to his conversations (children love it), scandals with her mother ... she saw a lot of things (children are observant), so ... her behavior later was the result of her upbringing. As well as the upbringing of her brother Vasily led him to ... what led. It seems that I clearly explained everything?
                    1. solzh
                      solzh 7 January 2020 20: 40 New
                      0
                      Quote: kalibr
                      She was brought up among the KREMLIN CHILDREN, and not on MARS !!!

                      Frunze’s son was not raised on Mars, but among the Kremlin’s children. And this did not stop him from becoming a patriot and just a good person, loving his country, loving his father and loving his Voroshilov foster family, and not some mercantile creature who suffered from hatred for everything Soviet.
                      1. kalibr
                        8 January 2020 21: 57 New
                        -1
                        Quote: solzh
                        Frunze’s son was not raised on Mars, but among the Kremlin’s children. And this did not stop him from becoming a patriot and just a good person, loving his country, loving his father and loving his Voroshilov foster family, and not some mercantile creature who suffered from hatred for everything Soviet.

                        That's it. So there was something in her family and upbringing that caused it. But Frunze didn’t!
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich 7 January 2020 14: 39 New
            -7
            Quote: solzh
            Even here you do not bring accurate phrase ...
            She said this:
            I have been an American citizen for 30 years. And I do not want to speak Russian. I always hated Russia, Soviet Russia. I will never return to Russia, no matter how much they talk about it. I am not ethnic Russian.

            WHAT- not exactly, my dear? fool
            Does she LIKE Russia?

            Would you like to speak Russian?

            She's Russian?

            What are you carrying?
            1. solzh
              solzh 7 January 2020 14: 44 New
              +1
              I'm not nice to you.
              If you quote someone, you’ll give the exact phrase, not your speculation. Otherwise, the meaning changes. For sim everything.
              PS
              Quote: Olgovich
              fool

              Ham.
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 7 January 2020 14: 46 New
                +2
                Quote: solzh
                Ham.
                How could you Olga, the light of tattered quotes, the most educated person, so to speak? lol
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich 7 January 2020 16: 04 New
                -4
                Quote: solzh
                I'm not nice to you.
                If you quote someone, you’ll quote the exact phrase, not your speculation. Otherwise meaning is changing. For sim everything.

                give the CORRECT meaning yes
                Quote: solzh
                Quote: Olgovich


                Ham.

                ide ?! belay
                1. solzh
                  solzh 7 January 2020 16: 21 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  give the CORRECT meaning


                  Does she LIKE Russia?

                  She hates it Soviet Russia
                  Would you like to speak Russian?

                  You yourself answered your question with your own question.
                  She's Russian?

                  Moreover, at that time she had already lived in the United States for 30 years.

                  And do not pretend that what you wrote referring to this offended bitch and her words mean the same thing.
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  ide ?!

                  If for you this smiley fool is normal for use in communicating with an opponent in his comments, then here I am powerless to explain something to you.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 7 January 2020 16: 35 New
                    -5
                    Quote: solzh
                    She hates Soviet Russia

                    Learn the RUSSIAN LANGUAGE, namely PUNCTUATION:
                    I always hated Russia, (COMT) Soviet Russia.

                    Listing is coming.
                    Quote: solzh
                    You yourself answered your question with your own question.

                    No
                    Quote: solzh
                    Moreover, at that time she had already lived in the United States for 30 years.

                    And?
                    Quote: solzh
                    And do not pretend that what you wrote referring to this offended bitch and her words mean the same thing.

                    I still affirm it. You need to know Russian.
                    why is she a "bitch"?

                    Children-granddaughters of ALL GENERALS-TAM: Khrushchev. Brezhnev, andropov. Gorbachev, wort ...
                    all bitch?
                    Quote: solzh
                    If for you this smiley is normal for use in communicating with an opponent in your comments, then here I am powerless to explain something to you.

                    The emoticon is indicated in the TOOLS of the site. Do you blame him?
                    1. solzh
                      solzh 7 January 2020 16: 56 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Learn the RUSSIAN LANGUAGE, namely PUNCTUATION:

                      It’s not for you to teach and advise me.
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      The listing is on.

                      Clarification, you are our competent.
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      No

                      That is, is she Russian? Father of Georgians, mother half German and half gypsy, and she is ethnic Russian?
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      I still affirm it. You need to know Russian.

                      Your right. But you, I see Russian, you know ...
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      why is she a "bitch"?

                      Children-granddaughters of ALL GENERALS-TAM: Khrushchev. Brezhnev, andropov. Gorbachev, wort ...
                      all bitch?

                      Yes. If you want, I can call them traitors, because they fled from the USSR-Russia.
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      The emoticon is indicated in the TOOLS of the site. Do you blame him?

                      But you force others to learn and understand the Russian language ...
                      The smiley must be able to apply and know when it can and should be applied, and when its use is tantamount to rudeness.
                      Good luck to you hi To continue the empty discussion I see no reason.
                      1. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 7 January 2020 17: 08 New
                        +5
                        Well, do not convince this monarchist, "expert of the Russian language", who has been living in Romania for 30 years.
                      2. Andrey VOV
                        Andrey VOV 9 January 2020 23: 48 New
                        0
                        Olgovich lives in Romania ???
                      3. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 10 January 2020 08: 32 New
                        +1
                        But don’t you remember that about 2 years ago the flag of the country was placed next to the avatar, where is the comment coming from? Most were from the Russian Federation, many from Ukraine (by the way, not a single maydaun, all reasonable men), from Canada, Israel, the United States and the little things, too. Since then, I remember the place where Olgovich was.
  9. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 7 January 2020 14: 56 New
    +3
    Quote: kalibr
    Sergey, but there is no article
    A note about your boy, obviously!
    Quote: kalibr
    Here are photocopies of documents.
    Wait a minute, there is a section called "Photos and Videos".
  • iouris
    iouris 7 January 2020 11: 23 New
    +1
    Such penzyuks pull us back into history, patamushta history teaches that it does not teach anything. If this is not the case, then refute this thesis. The historian must know that "here you are not there," all historical analogies are lame, and if history repeats itself, it is only in the form of a farce.
    1. kalibr
      7 January 2020 12: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: iouris
      If this is not so, then refute this thesis.

      Patamushta is easy! We have now learned so cleverly ... to control the masses that ... in general, we used our knowledge of history to 100%. I have a high school textbook; "Technologies of Public Opinion Management" (Infra-Engineering), there is a chance to get acquainted with it until everyone is sold out. There is just about this very thing that gives the experience of history in terms of managing the masses through the banal dissemination of information.
    2. Doctor Evil
      Doctor Evil 7 January 2020 14: 22 New
      0
      Quote: iouris
      Such penzyuks pull us back into history, patamushta history teaches that it does not teach anything. If this is not the case, then refute this thesis. The historian must know that "here you are not there," all historical analogies are lame, and if history repeats itself, it is only in the form of a farce.

      This is Penza. We read Saltykov-Shchedrin's "Stories of one city". Nothing changed.
  • Operator
    Operator 7 January 2020 12: 04 New
    +2
    It seems that the author only from archival documents found out that people poop are not violets laughing
    1. kalibr
      7 January 2020 12: 25 New
      +1
      Archival documents, Andrey, make it possible to find out that this process is of a massive nature, find out the typology and other characteristics of the "process". Therefore, as the way in which it happens individually, it is not always possible to extend to everyone. Maybe someone's violets are coming out ...
  • vladcub
    vladcub 7 January 2020 14: 02 New
    +3
    Quote: Boris55
    Quote: vladcub
    for some reason I have a question for Sokurov: do you want to wash your face with blood first?

    In this dialogue, Putin directly told them about it that they would be the first to be buried at the Butovo training ground: “You know, there is such a person ... Lenin ... He came up with, now we cannot understand what to do with the Butovo training ground ... "Will they take a direct hint or not want to, in the hope that they will have time to board the white steamer ...

    A person is so constructed that he FORGETS THE BAD, but remembers only the good, and so they: "here to play, and here not to play." Naturally, they will prefer us to this landfill, and blame themselves aside
  • Undecim
    Undecim 7 January 2020 14: 33 New
    +8
    This is the most annoying thing for minusers and sovkodrocherov!
    Commentary is the quintessence of the level of discussion and the level of those discussing the most interesting historical period of the existence of such an economic system as socialism.
    What is the most paradoxical, scientists, historians, economists, philosophers from the "world of capitalism", which fought against this socialism and which is constantly accused of attempts to distort and rewrite history, this very socialism continues to study, analyze, consider options for its construction in the future, the reasons for the collapse in past.
    And in countries where this very socialism existed and where there are still a lot of people who lived under this socialism, they threw manure at it and continue this process, simultaneously driving into their heads the thesis that socialism, both as an economic system and as an ideology, is a continuous utopia. and there can be no return to it under any guise, and those who try to object to something are declared "sovkodrochery". At the same time, representatives of the scientific intelligentsia, crowned with academic degrees, which, by definition, should, in contrast to the Romanian thinkers of our time, have critical thinking skills and understand that from one attempt about the viability of one or another system you cannot judge.
    I wonder if anyone heard of the Fabian Society, Anthony Crosland, the parecon? There is an endless amount of grassroots education work for people with academic degrees and degrees.
    But throwing dung on a fan is not a lot of mind.
    1. kalibr
      7 January 2020 16: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: Undecim
      There is no end to the work of educating the masses for people with higher academic education and degrees.

      Is it worth it, Viktor Nikolaevich? Who will dig in the manure if everyone is enlightened? Remember how it is said in the novel by A. Belyaev "The Last Man from Atlantis". Exactly! And isn't that true? And is it not said: In much knowledge there is much sorrow? Let them know better what they know, drink, what they drink, and be happy in their own way!
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 7 January 2020 18: 55 New
        +3
        Who will dig in manure if everyone is enlightened?
        It will not be possible to enlighten everyone. Nobody has canceled such a category as intelligence, therefore digging manure will not remain without its harvesters, as well as manure throwing.
        However, it is necessary to work in this direction, since in the modern world, intelligence is a strategically important resource. It is the intelligence of people and their qualifications that largely determine the development of production and science, the place of the state in the international community. Many developed and even developing countries have special programs aimed both at stimulating people with a low cognitive level and supporting the most gifted representatives of society.
        1. kalibr
          7 January 2020 19: 16 New
          +1
          So I just do this with enviable regularity!
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 7 January 2020 16: 59 New
      +3
      I will support you. Regardless of ideology, there are permissible and not permissible expressions.

      No annoyance can justify such a vocabulary.
      1. kalibr
        7 January 2020 19: 15 New
        +2
        There is a worse vocabulary here, but you keep quiet ...
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 7 January 2020 20: 01 New
          +1
          You can’t speak out for every remark.

          Remember, Jack London's "Night on the Goboto": "Frequent swearing makes swearing meaningless."

          Your articles often become the topic of interesting discussions.
          So to the spoken word, pure responsibility.

          I admit that you yourself understand that in vain this combination "came out" for you.
          1. kalibr
            7 January 2020 21: 44 New
            +2
            Quote: Korsar4
            I admit that you yourself understand that in vain this combination "came out" for you.

            Heavy, Sergei, a legacy of the past. I grew up on Proletarskaya Street, "on the Strela". And even now in Penza, tell whom ... "I grew up on the Arrow, well, why are you pulling?" And that's all ... no one will "pull". They fought from one side of the street to the other. I was (the finger of fate), something like a political commissar - I was telling the novels of Jules Verne and Dumas, while my comrades from working-class families listened with bated breath and squelched green snot. But I had to "bend" ... Until old age, I will not unlearn, even banned, sometimes for ... profanity.
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 7 January 2020 21: 49 New
              +1
              In my small homeland, in Kurovskaya, 90 km from the Kazan station, the area with the same name is Proletarka. And the way is appropriate.

              But already in the first class I went to another city.

              So we have our Eatons and Harrow. And "each has its own shortcomings" (c). Merry Christmas!
              1. kalibr
                8 January 2020 08: 34 New
                +1
                Quote: Korsar4 S
                Merry Christmas!

                And you too!
  • kalibr
    7 January 2020 14: 41 New
    +2
    [quote = vladcub]I will not believe that there is a person who was NOT MISTAKED
    Svyatoslav! Lenin wrote that there are no such people and cannot be. It’s important ... to make small mistakes and fix them in time.
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 7 January 2020 14: 56 New
    +1
    . Party organizers also drank ... Yes, and hid their social origin, crawling into the "warm places". That is, the "top" we have far from the best hit ... always? Is this a tradition like that?


    The historian of the CPSU swung at United Russia and VLADIMIR VLADIMIROVICH PUTIN? Tell me not members of the CPSU in the current leadership. Is the author a member? Well, in the sense of the CPSU? Does it belong to EP?
  • Looking for
    Looking for 7 January 2020 16: 11 New
    0
    Yes, there were a lot of all kinds of bastards then. Yes, and now there are a lot of "shpakovskys" left.
    1. kalibr
      7 January 2020 16: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: Seeker
      Yes, there was a lot of scum.

      Finally, you understand it, Alexander! And once they understood, deign to understand that with such a volume of "bastards" our new system in our country was doomed from the very beginning. And this, by the way, is only documents of 34 and 37 years ... Do you know HOW MUCH of them were for each year? And for some reason they did not become less. Here is the 91st and came ... As a pattern. Surprisingly, this has not happened before.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 7 January 2020 18: 19 New
    +2
    Hello, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    Thank you for the interesting material, in particular the cycle - in general!
    I have a question. And to what extent has digitalization affected this institution? And if it is possible to view the given documents in electronic form, well, at least in part, why not indicate the resource on which this can be done?
    1. kalibr
      7 January 2020 19: 13 New
      +1
      Anaton! You will recall the photo of the wall with drawers in one of the first articles. I specifically made it. All on paper. The digitalization of our OFOPO GAPO has not yet touched. I would love to give a link and if you want I will give to each folder. But ... this is just an xerox order. 10 p. page + sending by mail. That is sheer ruin. There is nothing in electronic form. Of course, I’ll ask the director, maybe there’s something after all. But neither me nor the others who work here were offered anything. Meanwhile, who wants to hang up and down floors? Much easier to put a person at the computer and let dig.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 7 January 2020 19: 25 New
        +2
        I remember a photo with these boxes ... Damn, I remember the children's library of my hometown, 35 years ago. All this is sad ....
        1. kalibr
          7 January 2020 21: 37 New
          +1
          Do you think I'm not sad? Sort all this, then write an application no more than five cases per day. Then wait a day until they find and bring it, then quickly leaf through these yellow poorly printed sheets. If it weren’t for interest ... I wouldn’t do it. But interesting. I recall the past when I dreamed about it. When I wanted to, but ... figs to you. And now you can do it all and how can you not use it?
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 7 January 2020 21: 45 New
            0
            Well, okay ... It remains to be hoped that "one fine day" the archive will not burst into a "blue flame" ... Judging by the photo, the institution building is under the jurisdiction of the GIOP?
            1. kalibr
              8 January 2020 08: 32 New
              +1
              The building is modern, but old. The work of the reading room was even stopped due to the loss of bricks from the facade. But ... worth it. There is no elevator. Employees walk up and down the floors ...
  • Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene 7 January 2020 18: 29 New
    +2
    Another hack from Shpakovsky

    Our penyuk doesn’t have any way, he continues to try to denigrate the Soviet past, and inserts each bast into a line. With the help of archival documents of the Penza city committee devoted to the fight against negative phenomena, he is trying to create a general negative background of all Soviet reality of that time. But he is so stupid that he did not even understand that the documents he cited expose his own slanderous comments, and indeed the slander on the Soviet system of our notebook anti-advisers. For example, about the condemnation by the city committee of the leftist bends during dispossession of the kulak, or the taking under protection of old specialists.

    The party in the Soviet state played a leading role, because Soviet people for the first time built a new life, a new society. Of course, there were mistakes, and negligence, and wrecking, so the role of the party in their eradication was great. Therefore, her activities encompassed all aspects of the life of the Soviet people, there was everything: the fight against hooliganism and drunkenness, wastefulness and sloppiness, administration and negligence. The author and some commentators mock this - they say they found something to do ...

    Yes, the police dealt with many of these phenomena, but the communist cases are dealt with in archival documents, and here the city committee gives an assessment to party members. And the demand from the Communists was strict for indiscipline, for negligence, and it could not be otherwise. If a communist does not fulfill party decisions, then what kind of communist is he? These were excluded.

    The author asks to strengthen the negative effect: “Has anyone at all then worked as expected?” and further “Bad work was punished severely! But nothing has changed ... In the place of some scammers, others came ” But about this another time, but for now, if you carefully look at the article, you can see that the author himself is a scammer. Pay attention to the given pictures of archival documents. The author in one place next to one another brought copies of the same archive page. In addition, it is felt that the author cooked up the article in a hurry to get a fee faster. Usually in scientific and non-scientific articles, the thesis is first presented, which is then supported by a document. The author has the opposite here, but if he claims to analyze the document and writes: “Let's start with this document”, then in this case the photo of the document is not given in front, but after it is mentioned in the text. In Soviet times, the author would have received a comment or even a reprimand from the editor for such negligence, and most likely they would not have printed such hack.

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    1. kalibr
      7 January 2020 19: 03 New
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      Quote: Alexander Green
      Of course, there were mistakes, and negligence, and wrecking, so the role of the party in their eradication was great.

      It was great, very great, and then it became even bigger ... and the year 91 came. Mistakes - not corrected, negligence - not outdated, with wrecking ... if you count all the accidents, drowning, explosions, theft ... also did not end. What is greatness? Who did, but did not or did, did not do at all!
      1. Alexander Greene
        Alexander Greene 7 January 2020 21: 47 New
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        Quote: kalibr
        It was great, very great, and then it became even bigger ... and the year 91 came. Mistakes - not corrected, negligence - not outdated, with wrecking ... if you count all the accidents, drowning, explosions, theft ... also did not end. What is greatness? Who did, but did not or did, did not do at all!

        And how much time was allotted for this by History? Calculate how many from 1918 to 1953 were there peaceful children? Humanity has accumulated its vices for millennia. For 400 years, capitalism has not solved these problems. Religion for 2000 years also did not solve these problems .. Do you want the Communists to solve all this in a couple of decades? Moreover, both internal and external interfered with this business. And in spite of everything, the first society with equal opportunities for the whole nation was certainly built!
        1. kalibr
          8 January 2020 08: 27 New
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          Quote: Alexander Green
          Do you want the Communists to decide all this in a couple of decades?

          I just don’t want to. Because I understand perfectly well that this is impossible. And you used the wrong word: RELEASED. Nobody let us go. They themselves took this burden of their own accord. And in the end, they could not cope for completely objective and subjective reasons. It is so? So! And if so, then you need to remember this all the time, so as not to repeat such mistakes. Because there are many bastards ... many enemies ... many fools ... even more. And we must do this so that the presence of all these would not lead to disasters of 91 years. Available explained or else to chew?
          1. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 8 January 2020 20: 43 New
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            Quote: kalibr
            They themselves took this burden of their own accord. And in the end, they could not cope for completely objective and subjective reasons. It is so? So!

            Sorry, but you didn’t manage to "chew", you signed this comment for your political illiteracy. Didn't you read Karl Marx and V.I. Lenin, that the transition from capitalism to communism is not 20 or even 70 years, but an entire epoch and it should be nothing more than the dictatorship of the proletariat. In the USSR, socialism was being built only until the mid-50s, and since 1961, due to objective and subjective reasons, the construction of socialism was curtailed.
            1. uu1
              uu1 8 January 2020 21: 35 New
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              Quote: Alexander Green
              In the USSR, socialism was built only until the mid-50s, and since 1961, for objective and subjective reasons, the construction of socialism has been curtailed.

              Oh! But what about the Jugashvile?
              Indeed, in January 1934, at the 1936th Congress of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) ("Congress of the Winners"), he announced that "socialism in the USSR has won and is basically built." He declared that in connection with this "the dictatorship of the proletariat is a passed stage." And therefore, in 1936, he adopted the Constitution of 1924 (it replaced the Constitution of 1927, where even half a word was not written about "socialism", which is not surprising, this socialism in the USSR began to be "built" only in December XNUMX) ...
              Lied, scoundrel?
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              Nifiga you do not know. Here, generally nifiga. How many of your sayings do not come across, every time I am convinced that you are just a dumbbell.
              1. Alexander Greene
                Alexander Greene 9 January 2020 20: 21 New
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                Quote: uu1
                Oh! But what about the Jugashvile?

                And you don’t worry about Dzhugashvili, it’s better to carefully read his works and do not misinterpret, otherwise you heard a ringing, but don’t know. where is he.
                1. kalibr
                  10 January 2020 21: 39 New
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                  It makes no sense to read this toilet paper today. Today everything is different. The train left. And as soon as the nano-collector works, even toilet paper will be more valuable than any work, anyone else. Well, it will work ... soon! And then ... "There was Stalin ..." "Who is this?" And so on. Everyone will be really rich and happy. Misfortunes, doubts ... all this will remain the lot of only the most talented and gifted people.
                  1. Alexander Greene
                    Alexander Greene 10 January 2020 22: 59 New
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                    Quote: kalibr
                    Read this toilet paper today does not make sense.

                    It's a shame for a historian to say so. Firstly, Stalinist works are history, and secondly, this is an eternal history, because . Stalin, for example, discovered the general law of socialism, which acts objectively, regardless of you, just like the Law of gravity.
                    And the train didn’t leave anywhere. The composition is now being formed, as evidenced by all opinion polls.
            2. kalibr
              8 January 2020 21: 51 New
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              So I'm talking about too ... There were too many bastards! And now it's full. That theorists of Marxism-Leninism were not lucky with the people. Bad luck! As with Pushkin ... "she is obedient to the influence of an alien, but to reason she is deaf and indifferent to words, that she feeds on fables." Moreover, the mass of petty-bourgeois in its essence ... How unlucky. For objective and subjective reasons, of course.
              1. Andrey VOV
                Andrey VOV 9 January 2020 23: 56 New
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                But do you not classify yourself with them? Maybe your contribution is there as a former party member, teacher and agitator ???
                1. kalibr
                  10 January 2020 21: 33 New
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                  Quote: Andrey VOV
                  Enemies both external and internal interfered with you? What didn’t stay and further in the village to sow the eternal, bright, reasonable?

                  Am I stupid to change good for bad? What for heroes in the middle of manure, when you can live perfectly on the pavement. Do you crave yourself like that? Open a private orphanage for downs? Create a free club for difficult teens? And my contribution is honestly fulfilled duty. What the party ordered is what he did. And he did well. But really it is good or not, and did not even think. Who would doubt then that it is only good that comes from above? Do you really understand this, Andrey? It’s strange even ...
                  1. Alexander Greene
                    Alexander Greene 10 January 2020 23: 02 New
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                    Quote: kalibr
                    Am I stupid to change good for bad? What for heroes in the middle of manure, when you can live perfectly on the pavement.

                    Yes. worms sometimes crawl out onto the asphalt.
                  2. Andrey VOV
                    Andrey VOV 11 January 2020 07: 06 New
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                    I didn’t expect another answer, five points ..... but I left Moscow, I live 450 km from it, in a place with 10 thousand people, and I create it with real deeds, without wiping my pants, like millions of office plankton do
        2. kalibr
          8 January 2020 21: 53 New
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          Quote: Alexander Green
          For 400 years, capitalism has not solved these problems. Religion for 2000 years also did not solve these problems ..

          But they live little by little ... And here everything is so good and boo - "here she was and no!"
          1. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 9 January 2020 20: 24 New
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            Quote: kalibr
            But they live little by little ...

            So now we are living a little, how many people have already died out since 1991?
            1. kalibr
              9 January 2020 20: 50 New
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              how many people have already died out since 1991? [/ quote]
              And how many? And all from hunger, cold, and overwork? Yeah! And the rest, looking at how they die from hunger, cold and overwork, did not rebel, yeah!
              1. Alexander Greene
                Alexander Greene 9 January 2020 23: 42 New
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                Quote: kalibr
                And all from hunger, cold, and overwork? Yeah!

                Here you are not far from the truth. in all the republics of the former union, people die of hunger, cold, and overwork. And how many were killed in ethnic conflicts. In Ukrian, for example, in 1991, there were 52 million, and now probably 278 million will not be typed.
                Quote: kalibr
                And the rest, looking at how they die from hunger, cold and overwork, did not rebel, yeah!

                And the rest are being trained by capitalism, so their rebellion is just around the corner ..
                1. kalibr
                  10 January 2020 08: 30 New
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                  Quote: Alexander Green
                  And the rest are being trained by capitalism, so their rebellion is just around the corner ..

                  Everyone passes and passes, and pass ... Well, stupid ...
                2. kalibr
                  10 January 2020 08: 32 New
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                  In Ukrian, for example, in 1991, there were 52 million, and now probably 278 million will not be typed.
                  Of course, one half dumped the laborer in Poland and the other EU, the other to us in Russia.
                  1. Alexander Greene
                    Alexander Greene 10 January 2020 23: 17 New
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                    Quote: kalibr
                    Of course, one half dumped the laborer in Poland and the other EU, the other to us in Russia.

                    And how many died from drugs and vodka? And how many were killed by bandits, how many died in gang warfare and in ethnic conflicts? And how many patients died due to lack of money for expensive operations.
    2. kalibr
      8 January 2020 08: 29 New
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      Quote: Alexander Green
      In Soviet times, the author would have received a comment or even a reprimand from the editor for such negligence, and most likely they would not have printed such hack.

      It’s good that now is not the Soviet era.
      1. Alexander Greene
        Alexander Greene 8 January 2020 20: 45 New
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        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: Alexander Green
        In Soviet times, the author would have received a comment or even a reprimand from the editor for such negligence, and most likely they would not have printed such hack.

        It’s good that now is not the Soviet era.

        And I sympathized with the site visitors who have to read your hack.
        1. kalibr
          8 January 2020 21: 30 New
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          Quote: Alexander Green
          And I sympathized with the site visitors who have to read your hack.

          And many people like it for some reason ... And even very many, imagine ... This is also evident from the comments. People say thanks! But would not like it - they did not say.
          1. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 9 January 2020 19: 51 New
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            Quote: kalibr
            And many like it for some reason.

            And I sympathize with them that they cannot distinguish hackiness from dishonesty.
            1. kalibr
              9 January 2020 20: 47 New
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              Well, yes, one you are smart, and all the rest are stupid. What a conceit. I don’t even have one.
              1. Alexander Greene
                Alexander Greene 9 January 2020 23: 38 New
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                Quote: kalibr
                Well, yes, one you are smart, and all the rest are stupid. What a conceit. I don’t even have one.

                Oh, who would say that you all think are more stupid than yourself, and I only sympathize with them.
                1. kalibr
                  10 January 2020 08: 29 New
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                  Not all, not at all. But if they exist, if there is someone you sympathize with, then let them be my audience, and all the rest will be yours! To whom the carrot, to whom the whip - everyone chooses for himself.
                  1. Alexander Greene
                    Alexander Greene 10 January 2020 23: 09 New
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                    Quote: kalibr
                    let them be my audience

                    They will not, the time will come, and being will open their eyes to you.
              2. Andrey VOV
                Andrey VOV 9 January 2020 23: 58 New
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                Oh, you don’t like criticism .. but Satya is really a hack, it would be better to take a better picture, publish and write everything, people read, draw conclusions, then discuss
                1. kalibr
                  10 January 2020 08: 26 New
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                  Quote: Andrey VOV
                  Oh, you don’t like criticism ..

                  Andrew! If you regularly visit VO and read all the comments, you should know that when the comments are "on the case", I always recognize them. And this is a chat about nothing. And it is simply impossible to make a better photo with your hands. All the more so with one hand when the other has to hold the pages. Because shooting from a tripod is paid for and is very solid. Do you want me to order it? Let me draw up a contract with the archive, and you will pay for it. Want to?
  • Undecim
    Undecim 7 January 2020 20: 30 New
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    Quote: kalibr
    So I just do this with enviable regularity!

    There is one caveat. According to the structural-dynamic theory of intelligence, the general factor of intelligence can be loaded differently in terms of awareness, respectively, and the result will be different.
    1. kalibr
      7 January 2020 21: 33 New
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      That's it! Someone finds this interesting and instructive, someone turns inside out ... The main thing is to give people information that otherwise they would not find. And they themselves will figure out who likes what.