Sina: Ambitious statements of the Russian Defense Ministry on the supply of Su-57 to the airborne forces are not destined to come true before the end of the year

In the military section of the large Chinese information portal Sina, material was published that examined the situation with the fall of the Su-57 near Komsomolsk-on-Amur. The author informs readers that it was a fighter, which on December 27 they were going to put into service with the RF Armed Forces. It is additionally noted that the 5th generation fighter passed acceptance tests, which means that during the previous tests (numerous) no problems were found on the Su-57 (T-50).

Recall that, according to preliminary data, the plane crashed due to problems with the tail. What kind of problems are in question are not mentioned. There are no official comments from the Ministry of Defense and the manufacturer regarding the causes of the crash at this time.

sina:

It becomes clear that the ambitious statement of the representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation during a recent visit to the plant regarding the fact that the first batch of Su-57 will go to the Russian Air Force before the end of the year will not come true, as it is not destined to see the other side of the moon from the Earth (Chinese phraseology about the impossibility doing something, - note “IN”).

Further, following other Chinese publications on the issue of the fall of the Su-57, Sina writes:

The only positive point in this situation can be considered a clear operation of the ejection system, which allowed the pilot to leave the plane, falling into a tailspin.

The author of the material notes that earlier with the Su-57 (T-50) during the tests, problems also appeared:

In 2011, at the MAKS air show near the T-50, which was still a prototype, the engine suddenly caught fire. In 2013, the Su-57 also had problems with the engine. But then in Russia, these problems with power plants for new generation aircraft were eliminated. The fall of the Su-57 near Khabarovsk, apparently, is not related to the engine. Apparently, the problems were in the flight control system. And that can't be good. news for the manufacturer.

Chinese users, meanwhile, noted the fact that the Russian Su-57 was tested several times in Syria, where it did not cause any serious complaints.

Comments

[RUSS]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

For years, there have been flights in different modes, and here you are!

This has never happened, and here it is again.

[Chaldon48]

Are you hinting at a possible diversion?

[Baloo]

Quote: Chaldon48

Are you hinting at a possible diversion?

Is everything really so bad and again no one is in anything guilty and will not pay

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: RUSS

This has never happened, and here it is again.

We don’t have to gloat on the example of the Chinese. We don’t know anything about the accident. Maybe it’s not a plinth nut, like we had with the rocket launcher. And still nothing has been torn, but of course you have to strain. The technologies have been developed, components and qualified personnel are in place so the work continues.

[Karaul73]

This platitude costs millions !!!
This indicates a complete collapse of quality management systems for manufactured products. And, of course, they will not punish anyone. We don’t leave our own!

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Sentry73

And, of course, they will not punish anyone. We don’t leave our own!

Besides punishment, besides the deprivation of bonuses for the year, quarter to the new year of the whole team, the heads of the whole chain will be flown along which the marriage will be revealed as a result of the investigation. Believe me, of course there is no complete collapse, but it’s very difficult to get up from your knees after so many years of destruction. Here I agree.

[Errr]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

Alternatively, a glitch in the computer brain of a fighter is possible.

If you believe that:

... the stabilizers are in extreme opposite positions ...

then nothing but a software failure EMDS KSU-50 comes to mind.

[Bar2]

Quote: Herrr

then nothing but a software failure comes to mind

why so? Just the same thing comes. The control system failed due to the fact that there were American microcircuits that worked the way the Americans needed.

[maidan.izrailovich]

The control system failed due to the fact that there were American microcircuits that worked the way the Americans needed.

Then why didn't they (microcircuits) work in Syria? When the Su-57 were there. After all, for Americans it would be just a gift. Capture Russia's latest fighter jet. Moreover, moral compensation for the capture of our "axes".
I doubt your version.

[Bar2]

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

I doubt your version.

as Shoigu said about this, no one knew, and even we, so ask the Americans.

[littoral]

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

Moreover, moral compensation for the capture of our "axes".

And there they captured the "axes"?

[Pied Piper]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

Alternatively, a glitch in the computer brain of a fighter is possible. The boy from the technical service with a laptop in his hands before the flight, incorrectly downloaded something. Today they are more important than gray-haired mechanics.

Perhaps, as with the GLONASS missiles .. (the plug was inserted in the wrong place, etc.))))
And what about the boys? Between shooters probably worked and do not prove ....

[D16]

Perhaps, as with the GLONASS missiles .. (the plug was inserted in the wrong place, etc.))))
And what about the boys? Between shooters probably worked and do not prove

"Every accident has a name, surname and position." (C) Kaganovich.

[Pied Piper]

Quote: D16

"Every accident has a name, surname and position." (C) Kaganovich.

Yes, yes!

[D16]

The fact is that the word "first" has a smack of a political order (it will not stop the program, but will cause seething shit) and the word "serial" removes excuses for incomplete work. So I think they themselves will sort it out in a narrow circle and without us.

[Azazelo]

the Chinese are crowing? they didn’t really take part in any war, from Japan they received it in full with real genocide in addition. Neither military history nor experience, nothing at all. They also decided to teach us and build forecasts.

[RUSS]

Quote: Azazelo

the Chinese are crowing?

Therefore, they crow as no matter with the 5th generation aircraft, 28 pieces of Chengdu J-20 and they are actively using them, and without any accident

[Mestny]

Oh these?
So no one knows what kind of generation they really are.
They then lie much, almost like Jews.

[knn54]

Sergey, by and large:
-No radar AFAR;
- there is no engine with which you can fly without afterburner at supersonic speed, which affects the stealth of the aircraft. T.E. belonging to the 5th generation.
- "35" and yes and "20" are smooth, and on "57" there are solid projections and rivets. What stealth with such forms.
First you need to bring everything to mind. And then just build it. Yes, and there seems to be no money without Indians
The VKS is now COMPLETELY enough of an excellent SU-35.
PS I also remember the five-year plan for three years.

[Aibolit]

-Afar radar is, already and ppm produced more than 25000 units
- and on the engine of the 1st stage, cruising supersonic without afterburner is provided
- there are no projections at 57, rivets are at 35 and at 22
Ours have not yet used the tape at 57, as provided.
As with aromas, they wanted to have a link by May 9

[Durman_54]

"Rivets"
Have you ever seen a penguin without a radio-absorbing coating? I recommend, very impressive.
The afterburner supersonic was implemented on the Su-35. A 57th and smaller, and the engine is more powerful there. Is that aerodynamics to please the stealth screwed up, but it's literally a fortune-telling on coffee grounds.

[RUSS]

Quote: Mestny

Oh these?
So no one knows what kind of generation they really are.
They then lie much, almost like Jews.

An air expert, a former designer of the Sukhoi Design Bureau, Vadim Lukashevich, on the air of the NSN, explained why the Su-57 cannot yet be considered fifth-generation aircraft.

“Fifth generation aircraft have three key indicators. This is a supersonic cruising speed, low visibility and the combination of all aircraft systems into a single complex. If we compare American aircraft with ours, then ours is not the fifth generation yet. It still does not meet the indicator for stealth, it needs to be brought up. There are no full-time engines that will allow you to match in speed. The Americans, if we talk about the F-22, it’s a full-fledged fifth-generation aircraft, ”he explained.

[Johann Klassen]

And how many mowers and foreheads did the customer (I) give such a valuable opinion to this "former" leading designer of the Sukhoi Design Bureau Lukashevich?
But is it possible to exclude the possibility of applying someone’s hands, or someone’s mistake?
Apparently or not, one can only find out in the case of a test, in the format of military operations of any nature.

[maidan.izrailovich]

... no 5th generation aircraft already have 28

And who determined that they are the 9th generation?

[littoral]

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

... no 5th generation aircraft already have 28

And who determined that they are the 9th generation?

And who defined the fifth generation of the Su-57?

[RUSS]

Quote: littoral

And who defined the fifth generation of the Su-57?

4 +++

[Muvka]

Quote: RUSS

Quote: Azazelo

the Chinese are crowing?

Therefore, they crow as no matter with the 5th generation aircraft, 28 pieces of Chengdu J-20 and they are actively using them, and without any accident

And where do they use them so actively? What conflicts? Su-57 at least once in Syria visited more than once, and these where noted?

[Tuk77]

And what marked the Su-57 in Syria, let me ask?
The fact that he came off the ground? So he could do it at a test aerodrome in Russia.
Did he break through air defense? Participated in air battles?
The enemy not only had no fighters or air defense, there was not even a simple MANPADS.
So our falcons flew there freely and safely.
Nothing to brag about.

[Johann Klassen]

Did the American or Israeli, as well as the Chinese aces of the Luftwaffe, take part in the hostilities, with the criteria and in those conditions that you presented to the Russian Su-57 aircraft?
Can bombing missiles and bombs against hospitals and weddings, and Afghan, Iraqi and Syrian civilians, be it the fifth generation?

[RUSS]

Quote: Muvka

And where do they use them so actively?

Teachings.

Quote: Muvka

Su-57 at least once in Syria visited

And what follows from this? SU 57 in Syria participated in air battles or broke through modern air defense?

[Voyager]

In fact, he launched tactical missiles Gadfly in Syria. F-22 is not capable of this.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Azazelo

the Chinese are crowing?

Quote: RUSS

They therefore crow as they already have airplanes

In the East there is such a proverb: every donkey can kick a dead lion.

[abrakadabre]

Neither military history nor experience

You are too categorical. The military experience of the New, Modern, and Modern times is really not enough for them. At an earlier time there is plenty of it.

[dauria]

didn’t really take part in any war,

Yah ? The Chinese pulled out the Korean War. That they lost more than 120 thousand infantry. And their American pilots beat not much worse than ours. And there are aces. And in Vietnam there were their MiG-19 and MiG-17, along with advisers to Chinese pilots and techies. And the Vietnamese were valued no less than ours. So take them seriously. And then you will get a surprise, as once the Germans in the 41st.

[Crystal of Truth]

Ambitious plans are 1 (one) plane!

[Thompson]

Well yes - there is no Crimean bridge either, Mosmultfilm!

[Vasyan1971]

Well, I don’t know ... They talked about the Crimean bridge, talked about the Vanguard, and so on and so forth ... And the caravan goes on.

[Pied Piper]

Quote: Vasyan1971

And the caravan is coming.

It is, so far, slowly, but cries to the whole world about the Russian threat ..

[RUSS]

Quote: Vasyan1971

About the Crimean bridge

And what is unusual or technological in it? The price is yes, higher than other similar projects abroad.

[Tomich3]

And how many fighters of the 5th generation did the Chinese put in their army? Pot calls the kettle black.

[Professor]

Quote: Tomic3

And how many fighters of the 5th generation did the Chinese put in their army? Pot calls the kettle black.

9 prototypes and 20 pre-production samples (the first series of 28 fighters in active use)
Everything is fine with the cow.

[sabakina]

Quote: Professor

Quote: Tomic3

Pot calls the kettle black.

Everything is fine with the cow.

Yeah. like in a cartoon ...

- Therefore, we can conclude that there is a cow without milk, but there is no milk without a cow.

(c) It was in Penkov.

[Tomich3]

So we also have 10 prototypes. I have serial deliveries. The Chinese do not have them.

[Professor]

Quote: Tomic3

The first series of 28 fighters in active use

a series of 28 fighters in active use

[Tomich3]

Algeria signed a contract for the purchase of 14 Russian fifth-generation multi-functional fighters Su-57E and 14 front-line bombers Su-34. This was reported by the Menadefense portal.
And what about the Chinese?

[askort154]

Professor....9 prototypes and 20 pre-production samples (the first series of 28 fighters in active use)
Everything is fine with the cow.

And if you count per capita ?!

[Professor]

Quote: askort154

Professor....9 prototypes and 20 pre-production samples (the first series of 28 fighters in active use)
Everything is fine with the cow.

And if you count per capita ?!

That Israel is ahead of the rest ...

[askort154]

Professor....That Israel is ahead of the rest ...

That's for sure ! Israel is 40 years old on foot by Moses.

[Professor]

Quote: askort154

Professor....That Israel is ahead of the rest ...

That's for sure ! "Planet Israel" size - 40 years of foot searches by Moses.

You are mistaken. Moshe drove the Jews around Sinai and he himself never set foot on the land of Israel. He only had a chance to look at Israel from the side of present Jordan.

[askort154]

Professor....You are mistaken. Moshe drove the Jews around Sinai and he himself never set foot on the land of Israel. He only had a chance to look at Israel from the side of present Jordan.

That is, Moshe already bred, even his fellow tribesmen.
Clear ! What, then, remains for Abgama to do ?!
Only - to breed all, and all! Pedigree continuity!

[Professor]

Quote: askort154

Professor....You are mistaken. Moshe drove the Jews around Sinai and he himself never set foot on the land of Israel. He only had a chance to look at Israel from the side of present Jordan.

That is, Moshe already bred, even his fellow tribesmen.
Clear ! What, then, remains for Abgama to do ?!
Only - to breed all, and all! Pedigree continuity!

Abraham is the ancestor of Moshe. You would have to learn the materiel. Maybe they would write less nonsense.

[askort154]

Professor....Avraham is the ancestor of Moshe. You would have to learn the materiel. Maybe they would write less nonsense.

"Both the auctioneer and the otliknitsa" - learn Russian sayings.
And I know my pro equipment as well as any "professor"
And who, Abraham or Moisha bred you - these are your problems.

[Professor]

Quote: askort154

Professor....Avraham is the ancestor of Moshe. You would have to learn the materiel. Maybe they would write less nonsense.

Both the auknitsa and the respondent - learn Russian sayings.
And I know my pro equipment as well as any "professor"

Duc and stay in it, in your "pro-materiel".

[askort154]

Professor...Duc and stay in it, in your "pro-materiel".

My "pro-materiel" does not need moralizing
false "professors". Obviously, I didn’t take such a "nickname" out of a big mind. My first joke comment, you turned into a skirmish.
Think Monya, think before you switch to "bully"

[Professor]

Quote: askort154

Professor...Duc and stay in it, in your "pro-materiel".

My "pro-materiel" does not need moralizing
false "professors". Obviously, I didn’t take such a "nickname" out of a big mind. My first joke comment, you turned into a skirmish.
Think Monya, think before you switch to "bully"

1. Didn't switch to "you".
2. The joke failed.

[askort154]

Professor.....
1 Didn't switch to "you".
2. The joke failed.

And is that, offensively, for a real man?
Or am I wrong? Then, excuse me

[Professor]

Quote: askort154

Professor.....
1 Didn't switch to "you".
2. The joke failed.

And is that, offensively, for a real man?
Or am I wrong? Then, excuse me

Nothing offensive. Nevertheless, we are not friends or relatives and, accordingly, according to the rules of decency ....

[RUSS]

Quote: Tomic3

And how many fighters of the 5th generation did the Chinese put in their army?

Almost 30 pcs

[rocket757]

It is better to CHECK a hundred times than there will be ... problems, a threat to our winged ones!
We didn’t have time and all right, not to the fire.

[bar]

Again, this unworthy "large Chinese information portal Sina" with its eksperdy

[RUSS]

Quote: bar

Again, this unworthy "large Chinese information portal Sina" with its eksperdy

Well, you know better

[Alexey-74]

This Chinese edition of Sina, a provocateur, was boggling, and in general a country that has no combat experience, really did not participate in wars, constantly received lyuley from Japan, suddenly imagines itself to be a military superpower ???? Their entire defense industry is plagiarism, and China is a big copy machine, there are no proprietary developments, only other people's reworked technologies.

[RUSS]

Quote: Alexey-74

Zadolbalo is a Chinese edition of Sina, a provocateur,

Of course, the vice-rector and liar, not like our media

[RUSS]

Quote: RUSS

Of course, the vice-rector and liar, not like our media

Provocateur *

[littoral]

Chinese users, meanwhile, noted the fact that the Russian Su-57 was tested several times in Syria, where it did not cause any serious complaints.

And what kind of "slightly frivolous complaints" did they cause?
And how can an airplane not yet accepted for service be sent to another country for a database? What does international law say about this?

[donavi49]

how it is not destined from Earth to see the other side of the moon (Chinese phraseologism about the impossibility of doing something - approx.

By the way - at night there was a passing test CZ-5. After the accident in 2017, the heavy carrier returned to duty. The satellite was put into orbit, everything worked out normally.

This means that in Q2 2020 5t satellite with a landing platform - Huoxing-1 will fly to Mars.
It also means that the lunar station for the collection and return of soil Chanye 5 more will not be tolerated.
This rocket is also key in the program. Tianhe - orbital station.

Total 34 launch in a year from the Chinese comrades, and ExPace will finish this figure to 35 tomorrow, with a load of private owners Galaxy Space.

[bober1982]

Sina writes ........
But in Soviet times, joked ........ as the newspaper Zhenmin Ribao said
Not only decades pass, epochs change - but nothing has changed.

[Sayan]

The fact that it was this aircraft that was subsequently sent to the troops was screamed only by the Chinese, who themselves did not create anything, riveting clones (and worthless) of foreign equipment, other sources say that the plane belonged to the plant and was test and this seems more like the truth. How cross-eyed to know what kind of aircraft it was, except for the type? Lately the ducks have been lounging lately, apparently their crafts in fact do not correspond to the declared characteristics.

[donavi49]

01 blue fell. And the pilot Aleksey Gorshkov - does not work on the engine refinement program, but only on-board flight.

The T-50S-1 aircraft was planned for transfer to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on December 25, 2019, and on December 27 the Ministry of Defense planned an official presentation of the aircraft.

On the morning of December 24, 2019, during the next test flight, the first production prototype of the fifth generation Su-57 fighter (aircraft T-50S-1, serial number 51001, tail number "01 blue"), built by the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Yu.A. Gagarin (KnAAZ, a branch of PJSC Sukhoi Company) for the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

All planes - Factory. But after the transfer, the board would become the Moscow Region, and if it fell a day or two later, then this is already a loss of the Ministry of Defense.

[Bear040]

Lord, how much joy the Russophobes caused one crashed Su-57 ... Remember your crashed F-35s more often ...

[donavi49]

Well here comes the question of quantity and plaque. 737 have the most accidents and disasters in the world - but there are 11 thousand of them. And if you count on the clock, then what thread Tu-154 or even the SSZH will be much more dangerous.

Also here:
Already raised 455 F-35 including prototypes. This is more than the VKS has received new aircraft of all types over the past 5 years.

Lost 2 aircraft (2018 and 2019).

[Bear040]

Everything is not so clear. It is necessary to watch a raid on a specific crashed plane, in addition, the Yankees like to hide their accidents ... So for example information about accidents with radiation leaks at the first US Nautilus nuclear submarine is very difficult to find, but they were there, they changed the crew several times .. The submarine was, in fact, an experimental one, a nuclear reactor was thrust into the diesel submarine’s body without really knowing what radiation protection the crew needed

[bober1982]

A year ago, the American F-18, when refueling, literally demolished the tanker along with the crew, which the Americans very sparingly reported, the modest tanker crew was modestly silent, and only a year later, they also modestly announced some details. We must take an example from them, or from the same Chinese — they are also silent, these aircraft fall — so even the type of aircraft is not reported.

[donavi49]

So, there wasn’t much choice. After 3 days, a presentation was to take place for the federal media. Plus, again, the age is not the same. Before official announcements, already at specialized forums (such as Avia), topics appeared, something fell from the factory airfield and a search operation is in progress (all kinds of radio spots are connected there). In general, do not hide this.

The Americans are simpler, because in the ocean, only if the Whales take selfies on the refueling air and take pictures in Kitonet.

[RUSS]

Quote: Bear040

Lord, how much joy the Russophobes caused one crashed Su-57 ... Remember your crashed F-35s more often ...

And here is an American plane?

[egor1712]

Yes, I do not care about the opinion of the Chinese comrades. Let them deal with their problems. Specials horseradish ...

[Thrifty]

Have the Chinese ever seen the other side of the moon? Their fake with the alleged launch of a lunar rover there is one tale with the "landing of astronauts on the moon"!

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Thrifty

Have the Chinese ever seen the other side of the moon? Their fake with the alleged launch of a lunar rover there is one tale with the "landing of astronauts on the moon"!

Why immediately fake? Dissatisfaction with the Chinese in this topic is understandable, but it is not worth belittling their merits because the space program is developing at a rapid pace and none of the major space powers (NASA, EKA, Roscosmos, etc.) are sending the rover to the far side of the moon denies, and the time is different now, all launches are recorded and their trajectory is monitored, so objectively this is not a fake.

[voyaka uh]

The Chinese car passed only 320 m. With several stops. But this is because
On a moonlit night, the temperature there drops to minus 190 degrees Celsius.
At night, the lunar rover is stopped, during the day it is launched again. Behind the Lunokhod
constantly monitors a special Chinese repeater satellite, which for the first time
managed to "set" in a stationary lunar orbit over the dark side of the moon.
Even this satellite alone is a great scientific and technological achievement.
The lunar rover transmitted interesting images of unusual minerals on the lunar surface.

[Alien From]

The pilot is alive and well, this is the main thing! The loss of an airplane, a big nuisance, but any technique is not reliable. The Chinese naturally want to give everyone their fifth generation, but we will bring our 57 to mind. We have hurt both experience and knowledge with desire! I wish all involved in this project success and good luck!

[RUSS]

Quote: Alien From

but we will bring our 57 to mind. We have hurt both experience and knowledge with desire! I wish all involved in this project success and good luck!

The hardships are no longer enough, and with experience problems

[Alien From]

So now, quit and not do it ??

[RUSS]

Quote: Alien From

So now, quit and not do it ??

Do

[Doctor]

The worst part is that the problems seem to be true with the tail. And that means, perhaps with the strength of a glider. And what will happen in battle, at critical overloads, with a powerful engine brought up?

[Flawless]

Nenad should think of nothing, otherwise it will turn out as a civilian MS that they just didn’t talk about him and that he flies worse than others and maybe better. And who was torn by American gossip, and our liberal trepachki. But in the end, the highly reliable Boeings themselves are falling from the sky like rain, and the airbags are not lagging behind even though they fly and fall not in the first year. And one MS collapsed yet circumstances of the disaster failed to find out immediately became bad. Also with the SU-57. They talk about ours, but you don’t learn to fly your penguin-35 and raptor-22 is not much better, although yesterday also can’t escape from it, I’m not talking about SU-35, it’s better for both of them in battle stumble for a long time

[Comrade Michael]

The Chinese are gloating because they are jealous of our successes, alas, in the military sphere, they can’t catch up with us .... This means one thing. It is necessary to rest, it is necessary to bring the plane, it is necessary to mass produce and sell to the allies in the international market ... It is necessary to learn how to fight and fight and win on it. This is the best answer to all these hooting about our failures. I don’t understand one thing. Where in our country is there so much decadent-minded, who does not believe in his people and country? What do you whine continuously and grunt like grandfathers 80? AND? And grandfathers will be stronger than you in spirit. My father, in his 78 years, believed in Russia and Russians, was happy about any success, and was annoyed about the failures. His kingdom is not heaven. These are the whiners and little believers who have flooded all the comments. Either patriotism beaten off, fermented - or continuous acid ... And even that is harmful

[Connor MacLeod]

The one who does nothing is not mistaken ...

[Ros 56]

Each vegetable has its own time. Russians slowly harness, but drive fast. Learn Russian proverbs and sayings and shake on the mustache, the Chinese.

[Fantazer911]

Every Chinese sandpiper praises his swamp without seeing the same lack and problems in him, his mother’s ideals are by the foot, but in Russia everything is bad and the swamp is deeper and more insidious than water

[Rusj]

And what have these poor Chinese since the time of gunpowder invented something for themselves ??? Not stolen, not redeemed. Nothing !!! A country with 5 thousand years of history has turned into an envious thief! And by chance, supposedly an economic miracle!
Why on the site are printed nonsense of Chinese liberoids who envy and hate Russia ???

[Klingon]

epprst here are the Chinese, well, they have a straight flies and it is them. the Ji-20 with squalid aerodynamics is just a flying Pepelander, - the Penguin flopped off of the samurai so that neither the pilot nor his helmet was found and they are silent about it, but how are we gloating so, * friends *

[川 建国]

When you watch Chinese internet news, make sure you are looking at authors who are famous and experienced media, because there are many internet editors in China that have no tier to use just to cheat on them. clicks. China's military enthusiasts are mostly active in "tieba"and in various military forums. We deeply regret the crash of SU57, and we all believe that it was an accident and have no doubts about the design of the SU57.