Thunder of victory, be heard?


The reason to once again think about what is really happening in the country was a series of publications in the leading media of the country, in which Her Majesty Peremogu is presented to us.


A statement of the fact that all the articles did not differ very much from each other in terms of the set of arguments (or rather, did not differ at all) would allow us to simply quote the point without going into the details of the first to publish it. In fact - everyone wrote from the same source, so I’m just quoting.

“The receipt of more than 6,5 thousand units of new and modernized weapons made it possible to increase the share of modern designs to 68,2%, and the level of equipment in the nuclear triad reached 82%. Previously existing models of equipment in all types and types of troops are successively replaced by modern ones. So, all the brigades of the Ground Forces are completely re-equipped with Iskander operational-tactical missile systems. ”


A lot of words. About the so-called 64%, which in a couple of months have grown as much as 68,2%, we already wrote, well, there is nothing to be done. Everything is growing, as Putin said, in salaries, pensions, and GDP.

The only thing that really corresponds to reality here is about the Iskanders. Indeed, the 448th Missile Brigade in Kursk, the last brigade where the Tochka U systems were in service, received the Iskanders in November 2019. It's fine.

The remaining figures are poorly confirmed or not confirmed at all. The principle itself, "so they said in the Ministry of Defense," therefore we must believe - well, not for the 21st century, after all.

“The hunter drone, the Zircon hypersonic missile, the Peresvet laser, the Vanguard missile system and the Boa pistol can be called real defense“ premieres ”of this year. They wrote and talked a lot about some, others showed for the first time and even adopted them. ”


Especially the Boa constrictor. It may not look exactly on the list, but at least it’s real. Yes, you don’t particularly threaten them in the direction of the adversaries, but ... But he is. Also a plus, as are the Iskanders.

I wonder why there are no atomic self-propelled guns of ours, "Petrel" and "Poseidon" on the list. Here they are exactly from the category about which they wrote and talked a lot, but there are more and more doubts about their existence. A cartoon, it, of course, is a good thing, with cartoons everyone in a hybrid war fights, but if it comes to realities ...

Speaking of “Zircon” and “Vanguard”, which seem to be there and even showed them to someone ... Well, until they release them, while they put them at the service of the Motherland ... In general, how all the shifts-moves to the right will end, then we'll talk.

The Peresvet combat laser ... Well, since absolutely everything is kept secret, and the principles of work are “new physical” ... We will study new physics, get at least some data, then we'll talk too.

The Hunter and the Su-57.

Well this is a conversation about the unnecessary and the impossible.

“However, if the trials of the Hunter continue for quite a long time (it is planned to begin mass deliveries to the troops in 2025), then the Su-57 will begin to replenish the airborne units of the Russian Air Force from 2020. The contract for the supply of the first two cars was signed in 2018. And it was planned that the first military will receive before the end of this year. "


Well, as for the first Su-57, more precisely, the T-50, since the Su-57 without a radar with AFAR and the engine is somewhat not the Su-57, or the fifth generation fighter ... In general, to talk about the fifth generation fighter Su- 57 it will be possible to return when it really becomes such. It is too early.

Moreover, with the arrival of these aircraft in the troops (without a radar with AFAR and an engine from the Su-35), there was also a hitch. The first-born was slightly jammed in contact with the ground. Let's look at the rest.

“Hunter” ... Not everything is even with him either. Moreover, the main problem of this drone is not on the ground, and not even in the sky. Much higher.

The main problem of the “Hunter” is the lack of a system for relaying commands through an orbiting satellite constellation. I’m translating: there are not enough satellites so that the UAV can receive commands at any point where it can be sent. We do not have such a harmonious system yet, and when it is foreseen, God and Rogozin know.

Perhaps never. Problems with astronautics are already tired and do not cause any sensations, except negative ones.

IL-112V. The strangest oddity.

“The first model of a light transporter first flew March 30 at the airport in Voronezh. Aleksey Rogozin, the then general director of PJSC Il, said that "Il-112V is the first military transport aircraft to be built from scratch in the post-Soviet period." He will help in solving many problems both in the field of military logistics and in the civilian sector. ”


Late at night, the aforementioned carrier of a well-known surname quoted by TASS did not report that the first flight of the Il-112 was so far the last. Then the plane went for revision, processing, troubleshooting, adaptation and so on. It is completely incomprehensible how long this process will take, but for now the crux of the matter is at the VASO plant, where work is underway on the aircraft, quickly dismantled the runway for overhaul.

It’s hard to say how long it takes to repair the runway, but ...

“This year it was officially announced that serial production of strategic Tu-160M ​​bombers was launched. In the coming years, they will begin to enter the arsenal of the far aviation VKS of the Russian Federation. "


Information about the real start of work with the Tu-160M ​​has moved off the ground and gone - it's great. As well as the confirmation that the first aircraft was tested at the end of November.

The fact that we can produce strategic bombers is excellent. This is encouraging for the future. The fact that the PAK DA PR project preferred a deep modernization of the proven Tu-160 suggests that not everyone in the Ministry of Defense was overshadowed by the brains of the cheer-manager projects.

“It became known that the two largest Russian helicopter developers, the Mil and Kamov design bureaus, were decided by 2022 to be merged into a single structure - the National Center for Helicopter Engineering.
This news The media caused a flurry of criticism of the holding company Russian Helicopters. However, the press service assured that the two famous design schools will retain and leave their names in the name: "Mi" and "Ka" are synonymous with reliability, reliability, high flight performance. "


What can be added to what has been said?

We have optimized the space industry. In fact, if we remove frankly stupid PR projects such as flying to the Moon and building a station there, our space industry, optimized and properly debugged, will survive, if not recent years, then a decade for sure. Just eating the Soviet backlog.

But in general, since we have optimized healthcare, culture, education, why not optimize helicopter engineering? And give the freed up area for the construction of shopping centers and residential areas.

“Turkey’s purchase of the S-400 Triumph long-range anti-aircraft missile systems from Russia is a stumbling block in relations between Ankara and Washington.”


Well, not such a stone. But there is a precedent. In general, it is all served as if it was just some kind of victory for us. Peremoga complete. As they would say in Ukraine. What is it, well, the Turks bought our air defense systems. Yes, that's right, they bought for money, not on credit, not barter for tangerines.

It is normal practice to buy what you want. So yes, the Turks have demonstrated their independence. Having been refused to sell them the F-35, they are now looking at ... no, not for the Su-57 for some reason, but for the Su-35.

You can understand, by the way. Let them buy what they want. When someone does not sell, there is always someone who wants to sell instead.



To the Pacific the fleet the first diesel-electric submarine "Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky" of project 636.3 "Varshavyanka" was transferred. The second, the Volkhov, was launched in St. Petersburg. ”


Yes, a good topic. Since we are not able to build ships of large tonnage, all these destroyers, cruisers, not to mention aircraft carriers, we must build submarines. And the more, the better.

Of course, I would like it to be not the frankly old Varshavyanka, but all the same boats with an independent power plant. But - we have what we have.

“The number of ships equipped with Zircon hypersonic missiles will increase in the fleet.”


Very short. There will be rockets - we will talk. So far, all these “in a year, in two” are frankly annoying already.

“The creation of helicopter carriers (universal landing ships) for the Navy has been included in the state armament program. The plans in the spring of 2020 to lay the first two at the Zaliv shipyard in Kerch became known in September. ”


Same. They will lay it down, build it, launch it into the water - we will discuss everything. So far, everything is at the level of promises.

Speaking about the unfolding PR campaign to create the impression that we really have everything just fine with new weapons, I want to say only one thing. The press service of the Ministry of Defense and the media supporting it clearly began to replay in the announcement of the "results."

Everything mentioned in the TASS article can be divided into three groups: the realities of the day, delayed prospects and unscientific fiction.

The realities of the day - everything is clear here. The new pistol, Iskander instead of Point U, Varshavyanka, Tu-160M. This is what really is and will be further.

Deferred prospects - this is the “Relight” of complexes that need more than three, this is Zircon and Vanguard, this is Su-57. That is, what can be brought to mind in the near future if funds are available. Perspective, albeit deferred.

But science fiction - it is science fiction. And why do we need so much fiction with this UAV, which can fly only on a short leash, cartoony nuclear atomic plane and atomic melter ...

IL-112 is needed, and not just needed, but to bring it to mind, we need people who are no longer there. When people were there was no money. Now, if there is money, there are no more people who can quickly finish the plane.

And so on.

And if you recall our PR projects that nobody needs tank Armata, an armored personnel carrier and an infantry fighting vehicle based on Kurganets, forcibly shoved an unfinished Su-57 fighter into the air force, maneuvering hypersonic missiles and other projects that were shouted very loudly yesterday and are very quiet today ...

Not very beautiful results, seriously.


All these beautiful cartoons and optimistic tales of high figures about how everything will be beautiful in our country in a few years and for fear of the West, for some reason does not cause a feeling of satisfaction, but quite the opposite.

For some reason, there is less and less confidence that the Poseidon will actually creep under water, and the Petrel and Hunter, assembled from Chinese components, will reach the enemy. It seems that we can still produce rockets, but somehow, too, everything does not look very dynamic.

Perhaps, of course, everything is in the way of presenting information.

Perhaps we need to stop telling tales about what will happen the day after tomorrow, and start telling, and tell honestly that of what was promised yesterday was completed today.

A good start could have been.
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  1. rich 6 January 2020 04: 58 New
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    Roman Skomorokhov: For some reason, there is less and less confidence that the Poseidon will actually creep under water, and the Petrel and Hunter, assembled from Chinese components, will reach the enemy. It seems that we can still produce rockets, but somehow, too, everything is not very.
    Perhaps, of course, everything is in the way of presenting information?

    BINGO!!! good That’s the point, Roman.
    Try serving it differently ... When the fan is off
    1. Winnie76 6 January 2020 05: 17 New
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      Well, if Roman has “less and less confidence,” then things are bad. Now we can fall into despair
      1. Grandfather 6 January 2020 05: 53 New
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        . Everything is growing in our country, as Putin said.
        it sounds alarming ... either the cyst, the hemorrhoids, the communal debt, the price tag in the store every day, the tax on everything, just a tax, a tax tax, our ingenious government, allowed brushwood to be collected, so I almost banned to grow berries in the gardens ... but in time frightened, crossed out these lines from the prohibitions. here, and Orwell, and Radar and Nosov smoke.
        1. Van 16 6 January 2020 10: 11 New
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          Soon the kettle cannot be boiled so as not to violate a couple of federal laws hi
          1. Machito 7 January 2020 22: 16 New
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            With helicopters smiled. What will the new helicopters be called? Kami Mika? Kami - strongly looks like a stone (not the best name for aircraft). Mika is something Japanese like Mikasu.
            1. NordUral 8 January 2020 14: 50 New
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              And they won’t be, they won’t be. Only half-erased memories of Mil and Kamov. After all, this is all being done.
        2. Leshy1975 6 January 2020 14: 05 New
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          Quote: Dead Day
          . Everything is growing in our country, as Putin said.
          it sounds alarming ... either the cyst, the hemorrhoids, the communal debt, the price tag in the store every day, the tax on everything, just a tax, a tax tax, our ingenious government, allowed brushwood to be collected, so I almost banned to grow berries in the gardens ... but in time frightened, crossed out these lines from the prohibitions. here, and Orwell, and Radar and Nosov smoke.

          And if this is still the case (unless of course it’s not a fake, I didn’t dig much in the information):
          In January 2020, Russia introduced a tax on bicycles. If last year it seemed absurd and fiction, then in January of the new year it became a reality. This proposal was submitted by the government in the summer of 2018 and was discussed at a meeting on the problems of the aluminum industry.
          In fact, this is not exactly a tax, but a one-time fee for new bicycles upon purchase. The size of this fee is 10% of the cost of the bike. officially this collection sounds like a recycling fee for bicycles and is almost similar to a recycling fee for cars. To be more precise - the fee applies to the frame of the bike ...
          How will this undertaking of officials take place? And it's simple - the selected company will chip new bikes by digitally marking the bicycle frame. And the company is already selected, This is a private company LLC Operator CRPT - Center for the Development of Advanced Technologies "which belongs to one well-known millionaire.

          PS There are no fellow citizens, Uncle Vova and Co. themselves will never stop. Only when the patience of the people finally bursts. Well, then already as happened in history. Cry from abroad over the lost Russia and memoirs about how they lived well and that they were not guilty of anything.
          1. Alf
            Alf 6 January 2020 17: 55 New
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            Quote: Leshy1975
            Cry from abroad

            As if the Ipatiev basement, the case would not have turned.
            In May 1917, the British Foreign Ministry, through its ambassador Buchanan, conveyed to the new Russian Foreign Minister, M. I. Tereshchenko, that "the British government cannot advise His Majesty to offer hospitality to people whose sympathies for Germany are more than well known."
          2. Ruslan67 6 January 2020 18: 34 New
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            Quote: Leshy1975
            . To be more precise - the fee applies to the frame of the bike ...

            Boxes for mercury lamps at gas stations do not bother you? And four boxes for separate garbage collection? They really don’t eat money in cash .. supposedly recourse But guzzle my time
            1. Vanek 7 January 2020 20: 02 New
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              Quote: Ruslan67
              And four boxes for separate garbage collection?


              And, which is characteristic.

              One garbage truck arrives.

              Ruslan hi
          3. Petrol cutter 6 January 2020 20: 28 New
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            "And if it’s like this again (unless of course it’s a fake, I didn’t dig too much into the information):
            In January 2020, Russia introduced a tax on bicycles. If last year it seemed absurd and fiction, then in January of the new year it became a reality. This proposal was submitted by the government in the summer of 2018 and was discussed at a meeting on the problems of the aluminum industry.
            In fact, this is not exactly a tax, but a one-time fee for new bicycles upon purchase. The size of this fee is 10% of the cost of the bike. officially this collection sounds like a recycling fee for bicycles and is almost similar to a recycling fee for cars. To be more precise - the fee applies to the frame of the bike ... "
            But from this place please in more detail! recourse I, as an old biker, were directly excited by such a question! ...
            I think it’s rather a fake. And then bother the problems of the aluminum industry? All frames will be manufactured in China.
            Besides, I can transfer to steel. She is no worse. But labor bikers claim that it’s better! True, steelworker meetings may begin! In the plan, we will “cover” you here! ...
            Thyme in your house! I immediately realized. There is always a backup plan.
            I will get the canned old version of "Ukraine" from the attic, collect it back. ... And the evil designs of enemies will not spoil my poverty. yes
            1. Ruslan67 6 January 2020 20: 35 New
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              Quote: Benzorez
              In January 2020, Russia introduced a tax on bicycles.

              I AM FOR! can fool will be less on the road Supporters of healthy lifestyle cord to help am
              1. Petrol cutter 6 January 2020 20: 54 New
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                "I FOR! May become less on the road Supporters of healthy lifestyle cord to help"
                Well, this is your personal opinion.
                When you go on a live, it seems that fool - all.
                Try it at your leisure. You’ll understand everything right away. Just don’t be so nervous. Nothing to it. And we are not discussing changes in traffic rules hi
                1. Ruslan67 6 January 2020 21: 00 New
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                  Quote: Benzorez
                  . And we are not discussing changes in traffic rules

                  I agree! But in a democracy, pocket is the only way to limit freedom fool
                  Quote: Benzorez
                  Try it at your leisure.

                  ! May 2008 Three participants: I am a Ural motorcycle with a sidecar and a concrete wall yes A fracture of two hands and a strong conviction, all that is less than four wheels in remelting at the design stage laughing
            2. Vanek 7 January 2020 20: 06 New
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              Quote: Benzorez
              And then bother the problems of the aluminum industry? All frames will be manufactured in China.


              Well, what about ?!

              China's alumoprom earns - ours is not.

              All.

              R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№ hi
          4. 75 Sergey 7 January 2020 00: 59 New
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            Already a cup of patience whips over the edge.
            Who?
          5. NordUral 8 January 2020 14: 52 New
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            PS
            I subscribe. Although the feeling that he was in the country of Chippolino squared.
        3. Ruslan67 6 January 2020 18: 30 New
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          Quote: Dead Day
          either a cyst or hemorrhoids or a communal debt

          The gardener is a destroyer sad Did you try to grow a potato?
          Quote: Dead Day
          here, and Orwell, and Radar and Nosov smoke.

          And the bald maize, along with the entire Politburo of the country that has hunched over .....
      2. Astra wild 6 January 2020 07: 18 New
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        Actually, Roman is more of a poemist than an optimist. So it’s too early to despair
        1. kjhg 6 January 2020 08: 02 New
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          Quote: Astra wild
          A novel is more of a poem than an optimist

          Unfortunately, Roman is neither an optimist nor a pessimist, he is a realist.
          Quote: Astra wild
          So it’s too early to despair

          In no case. The author does not suggest doing this. He repeatedly calls for a sober look at the situation. To solve problems, first of all, you need to recognize them, analyze and find ways to solve them.
          1. Stas157 6 January 2020 09: 13 New
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            Quote: kjhg
            Quote: Astra wild
            A novel is more of a poem than an optimist

            Sorry, Roman is not an optimist and not a pessimist, he is a realist.

            Unfortunately for the situation, but fortunately for VO. It’s great that in general there are such authors who are not afraid to show reality, how it is. And not how we are presented with this on TV. Break the template hard given to many forum users. But they can only be indignant about the details, in the main the author is right.
            1. Vadim237 6 January 2020 15: 36 New
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              The author clearly does not know any reality in the procurement sphere of the Moscow Region - so the article is a pure gag.
              1. Vanek 7 January 2020 20: 09 New
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                Quote: Vadim237
                The author clearly does not know any reality in the procurement sphere of the Moscow Region - so the article is a pure gag.


                Which is characteristic.
          2. mikh-korsakov 6 January 2020 11: 40 New
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            Without unnecessary show-offs I want to figure it out. The fact that fraud happens in our army - I know firsthand. I remember when the authorities arrived, we were forced to paint the upper parts of the decommissioned cylinders dug up along the road in black, as on the uniform of chemists. I have no reason not to believe the author - he is a realist. But then who is this fraudster who, by his nonsense, exposes our armed forces as a laughing stock. The author points only to Rogozin. But at the same time he publishes photographs of the highest officials of the state. The question is, why? Is that a hint?
            1. kjhg 6 January 2020 11: 53 New
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              Quote: mikh-korsakov
              But at the same time he publishes photographs of the highest officials of the state. The question is, why? Is that a hint?

              I don’t even know what to answer. The fact that all this window dressing comes from Himself is, as it were, a medical fact, as they say.
              1. Fan-fan 6 January 2020 20: 28 New
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                And who was the first to show us cartoons about all this - Putin in his election campaign. These cartoons were his election program.
                1. kjhg 6 January 2020 21: 04 New
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                  I meant it in my comment
                  all this window dress comes from Himself
                2. Vanek 7 January 2020 20: 29 New
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                  Quote: Fan-Fan
                  cartoons about all this


                  Tie you up for cartoons to speak.

                  You better read the literature you need. A rocket forever flying with a nuclear engine was conceived as much as in the 60s. Two blunt cooling circuits were not included in the given caliber (yes yes, the same Iskander, 533 mm.), But they still did not know about the single-circuit one. The same thing about the torpedo., About the lasers, And yes! About vertical take-off aircraft.

                  Technologies. My friend’s technology has reached such a level that some projects can be pulled out and realized.

                  Everything that is shown in "cartoons" is, works, swims and flies. Only all this comes from the USSR.

                  The question is different. What did you do ?! Modern Russia, I mean.

                  The Kalashnikov assault rifle had long had to erupt clots of red-hot plasma.

                  Cartoons cartoons. They got it. Are you tired of it yourself?
                  1. kubash66 8 January 2020 11: 08 New
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                    avant-garde, yes, flies, along with scientists
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          3. grave 6 January 2020 12: 00 New
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            Even if they are found (and there’s no need to look for them) they have solutions — they are described long before us and are described in books. It’s too late. Nothing can be fixed — the mechanism completely rotted like a boshka in a herring. The fish rots from head to head fish and chopped off in the first place so that the carcass itself does not rot, and the fish’s head is dull, there’s no sense in it. And you can’t eat it, only the cat
        2. AA17 6 January 2020 13: 06 New
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          Dear Astra wild. Regarding pessimists and optimists:
          “It is better to be a pessimist than an optimist. Because pessimists sometimes give pleasant surprises to life, and only unpleasant ones to optimists.” (C)
          A pessimist is a very well-informed optimist. (with)
          I agree with Roman’s thoughts. Do not really believe in the success of the military-industrial complex, if the civilian industry is developing at a slow pace.
          1. Engineering in Russia is highly dependent on the use of foreign machines:
          "... The main trend that is now popularized on the domestic market is copying foreign machine tools, ignoring its own powerful potential in this area. Modern Russian machine tool building is oriented towards foreign companies or, at best, joint ventures with foreign manufacturers, which impedes the development of domestic machine tool building "-Said the general director of the Association" Cluster of machine-tool industry of St. Petersburg "Julia Adashkevich ..." http://www.promreg.ru/articles/importozameschenie-nashej-strane-ne-nuzhno-siln oe-otechestvennoe-stankostroenie /
          2. There is no production of microelectronics:
          "Russia does not have its own industrial base for the serial production of microelectronics, Deputy Prime Minister Yury Borisov, who is in charge of the defense industry, said on Tuesday," Finanz "reports. According to him, the reason for this was the" mindless "privatization of the 1990s, during which production was" collapsed ".
          Read more at https://aurora.network/articles/163-zajavlenija/74711-pravitel-stvo-konstatirovalo-otsutstvie-v-rossii-sobstvennogo-proizvodstva-jelektroniki
          PS
          Something of course is being done in the development of industry, but all this is being done so slowly. Although we know other examples.
          1st FIVE YEAR (1928-1932)
          I. Stalin: "In accordance with the country's industrialization policy, the production of means of production should be strengthened in the first place ... the growth of heavy and light industry, transport and agriculture ..
          A total of 1500 large industrial enterprises were built.
          National income increased almost 2 times ......
          2st FIVE YEAR (1933-1937)
          I.V. Stalin, February 4, 1931: "We are 50-100 years behind the advanced countries. We must run this distance ten years. Either we do it or they crush us."
          A total of 4500 large industrial facilities were built.
          National income grew 2,1 times ....
          3st FIVE YEAR (1938-1942)
          3000 new large industrial enterprises were commissioned (until June 1941) https://forum-msk.org/material/economic/9588278.html
          1. Vadim237 6 January 2020 15: 41 New
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            "Russia does not have its own industrial base for mass production of microelectronics" - For the civilian industry, the defense industry is almost entirely powered by what Roselektronika produces
          2. e-sam 7 January 2020 02: 12 New
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            Quote: AA17
            A total of 1500 large industrial enterprises were built.

            Quote: AA17
            A total of 4500 large industrial facilities were built.

            Quote: AA17
            3000 new large industrial enterprises commissioned

            Crap factories. Most of them later went to the Germans. Which from such "gifts" did not become stronger. Yes, and the USSR from such a "construction" only the population from starvation death wasted in vain.
            1. Vadim237 7 January 2020 13: 53 New
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              For that, after the war, the USSR removed 72000 wagons of building materials, 340000 machines and another 68000 tons of industrial equipment from Germany.
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                Quote: Vadim237
                For that, after the war, the USSR removed 72000 wagons of building materials, 340000 machines and another 68000 tons of industrial equipment from Germany.

                The most important thing that the USSR got in the Reich is German technology and German specialists. After the war, on the basis of these technologies, they spent in the USSR in the late 40s and early 50s. The result of which was the industrialization of the USSR in the second half of the 50s.
                Real, not fake, industrialization of the 30s. In the early 40s, the USSR in terms of industrial production was a complete ruin. Africa on the European continent.
        3. Spart55 6 January 2020 13: 25 New
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          Pessimist ... optimist ...
          I’ll ask a specific question from a realist.
          Sometimes, in addition to VO, I look through the news about the latest weapons of a possible adversary. This is useful for objectivity.
          What is interesting?
          Well, there’s no tendency to crow at midnight. Long before dawn.
          Nobody there tells tales about the invention of a super-duper weapon, which, for example, the Americans will destroy Russia tomorrow.
          The president does not show cartoons on military subjects to intimidate a potential enemy.
          They generally prefer to keep quiet about military innovations. For the time being, for the time being.
          Trump just recently blabbed about two trillion. But - this is Trump, everything is clear here.
          So why are foreign military experts so laconic in contrast to ours? Nothing to say and show?
          Is this with the military budget at least 15 times higher than ours?
          Somehow I hardly believe ...
          Military secret being watched?
          Worthy of praise. Then why do ours behave differently?
          And is it not because in real life there is only a small part of everything advertised in the media?
          And the informational noise is just designed to drown out a possible question: is there a boy at all?
          1. Dart2027 6 January 2020 16: 05 New
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            Quote: Spart55
            Well, there’s no tendency to crow at midnight. Long before dawn.
            Nobody there tells tales about the invention of a super-duper weapon, which, for example, the Americans will destroy Russia tomorrow.

            Those who PR and PR F-35 and Zumvolt obviously do not know about it.
            1. shahor 9 January 2020 18: 25 New
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              Quote: Dart2027
              Those who PR and PR F-35 and Zumvolt obviously do not know about it.

              These products are advertised only on the VO forum.
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                only in the forum

                Truth? But I remember that the 35s vtyuhivayut all who can only.
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                  Truth? But I remember that the 35s vtyuhivayut all who can only.

                  And the difference between vtyuhivat and PR do not understand?
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                    Quote: shahor
                    And the difference between vtyuhivat and PR do not understand?

                    Is she there?
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                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Is she there?

                      Wow! You can PR and not vtyuhnut (as it often happens with us), you can PR and vtyuvnut (as it happens with them), or you can vtyuhivat quietly (as it often happens with us).
                      1. Dart2027 10 January 2020 21: 31 New
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                        Wow! Can

                        PR to vtyuhat, whether it turns out or not is another question.
          2. mikstepanenko 6 January 2020 19: 04 New
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            You can recall the SDI, better known as "space war." A good and most importantly clever informational noise, behind which there was nothing real. And smart because he led to the overstrain of all the forces of the Union, to a large extent because of which the Union collapsed. Is history repeating itself?
      3. Sahalinets 6 January 2020 12: 40 New
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        What movie?
    2. knn54 6 January 2020 08: 00 New
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      -Grow ... GDP
      It depends on what is meant by this abbreviation ...
      1. Ingvar 72 6 January 2020 13: 44 New
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        Quote: knn54
        It depends on what is meant by this abbreviation ...

        Yes, no matter how you understand - problems with growth. request
        1. Grandfather 6 January 2020 18: 07 New
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          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: knn54
          It depends on what is meant by this abbreviation ...

          Yes, no matter how you understand - problems with growth. request

          laughing
      2. Vadim237 6 January 2020 15: 50 New
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        Russia's GDP for 2018 -103.6 trillion rubles for 2019 is about 110 trillion rubles - an increase from 4 to 7 trillion rubles.
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          Quote: Vadim237
          an increase of 4 to 7 trillion rubles.

          Yes, Vadik, the numbers are large, but if in percentage terms, and even taking into account inflation? wink
          The GDP growth in Russia for the years you mentioned does not exceed 2%, inflation is at least 4%.
          You, as "our" government, report for the sucker - few will check. negative
          1. Ruslan67 6 January 2020 18: 41 New
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            Quote: Ingvar 72
            the numbers are large, but if in percentage terms, and even taking into account inflation?

            If you throw out the services of lawyers for the processes of a burnt ass in the McDuck and taxes with a simple man belay sex on calling old wallets, then interest can be interesting. It's me about the country of Texas penguins if someone does not understand wassat
            1. Ingvar 72 6 January 2020 20: 39 New
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              Quote: Ruslan67
              This is me about the country of Texas penguins if anyone did not understand

              Hi Ruslan! hi Has the holiday started a little earlier? laughing Lucky for you, but I got sick. recourse
              1. Ruslan67 6 January 2020 20: 51 New
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                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Has the holiday started a little earlier?

                Female dog when will this erotic holiday taking place for childbearing end ??? !!! am belay drinks laughing
                1. Ingvar 72 6 January 2020 21: 14 New
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                  Eco you are as flowery! laughing I decided not to recall the covenants of Cord, in terms of spending time in your glorious, but raw city? wink Do not overdo it, the liver alone! drinks
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              Yes. It seems like an aged man.
          2. Vadim237 6 January 2020 21: 03 New
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            Growth of 2% of GDP, taking into account inflation of 4%, whatever one may say, but growth is at least minimal.
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              Quote: Vadim237
              Growth of 2% of GDP, taking into account inflation of 4%, whatever one may say, but growth is at least minimal.

              Vadik - what school did you go to? belay I’m in Soviet, and though I walked through math lessons through one, I remember that 2 - 4 = -2. This growth is vice versa Vadik. wink
              1. The popuas 7 January 2020 13: 10 New
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                Woe economists call it negative growth wassat
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                You think that in general, a 2 percent increase in inflation, if you do not know how to count, then 110 trillion in 2019 is more than 103,6 in 2018 - Take a thick encyclopedia on economics and study, and before that learn to read what they write to you.
                1. Ingvar 72 7 January 2020 18: 25 New
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                  Quote: Vadim237
                  Take a thick economics encyclopedia and study

                  I don’t need this, I already know that there is a nominal GDP and real GDP. Only Rosstat sticks out the nominal, i.e. excluding inflation.
                  Seek, teach, and discipline. wink
                  1. Vadim237 7 January 2020 19: 18 New
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                    Just the same. "Inflation - raising the general level of prices for goods and services for the long term."
                    "GDP is a macroeconomic indicator reflecting the market value of all final goods and services (that is, intended for direct consumption, use or application) produced per year in all sectors of the economy for consumption, export and accumulation, regardless of the nationality of the used factors of production. "
                    "Nominal GDP - the value of all final goods and services of the region or state in question, expressed in current market prices. As a result, nominal GDP depends on changes in the price index and income of the economy in question. Nominal GDP - increases with inflation due to rising prices for products and services "And vice versa, it falls during deflation due to falling prices. Thus, the inflation rate of 5%, with a constant level of production of goods, also leads to an increase in GDP by 5%." Learn Vasily study.
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                      Quote: Vadim237
                      Learn Vasily study.

                      You Vadik will not go to the heights, but dig a little deeper. I knowingly wrote about the nominal and real GDP - they are different in amounts. And the real one is calculated by subtracting inflation from percent growth in nominal GDP. wink
                      P.S. But the attempt to be smart is counted! laughing
        2. naidas 7 January 2020 12: 08 New
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          Quote: Vadim237
          Russia's GDP for 2018 -103.6 trillion rubles for 2019 is about 110 trillion rubles - an increase from 4 to 7 trillion rubles.

          Vadim, as a participant in GDP growth, in 2018 gave -220t.r. for tuition (in the USSR free of charge), and in 2019 -228t.r...Growth is undeniable. And if you make a paid school, there will also be GDP growth. In 2020, growth will be even more significant, good amounts from pensioners will be added by social projects.
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            You don’t draw money for this yourself - in order for growth to increase, you need to increase the number of goods and services produced if you spend more on college but your income does not increase by the amount of the rise in price of services, then you will have to refrain from purchasing other goods and services in such case - GDP growth will be zero. In 2020, economic growth should jump as gold went up by almost $ 500 to $ 2030 an ounce, like oil went up by 5% this year, after filling the national welfare fund, oil and gas revenues from 3 to 5 trillion rubles will go to national projects - so that your senior citizens can breathe easy, their money will remain in place.
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              Thank you Vadim, I wanted to remove my comets - it didn’t work out.
    3. grave 6 January 2020 11: 56 New
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      Here this option - “turning off the fan” does not work. Because the Defense Center in such an ass, like the ISS itself, is listening to all this news and is just screaming ... it’s like a Cheshire cat. Everything that can be done is poher. Only what was created in the USSR flies .Yes, Lelik, everything was gone. Everything that could go flying to defend lies in the banks of the USA and Europe. And all the sons-daughters of these "patriots" already have international citizenship .. for the most part. They will eat us very soon. And those who will have to give orders wave to us from the sides of their take-off "blue" helicopters that fly away "Homeland" -USA
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        If all that was possible were poher, you would be gone.
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          Quote: Vadim237
          If all that was possible were poher, you would be gone.

          yes figs there ... we are - contrary to ...
        2. grave 6 January 2020 23: 46 New
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          And we as individuals are no longer there, they have been erased
      2. They won’t fly away, Kara. This does not happen. Only in the XX century, selectively: ... Prime Minister Stolypin was shot (and before that the family was blown up), Nicholas II didn’t “fly away” - they shot him and his family, shot him, shot a friend of Stalin Kirov, Trotsky (led the Red Army in his time) the ice ax was broken their head after it had already “flown away”, the first three marshals of the USSR state — Tukhachevsky, Egorov, Blucher — were shot, the head of the NKVD Yezhov — was shot, Stalin himself (respect and respectful DRIVER) —– “didn’t fly away” —poisoned , "right hand" Beria-shot ..., Pugo shot himself ... Well, in the world as a whole, not everything is rosy about for "lovers of heights" ... Superficially and selectively: Mussolini was hanged, Hitler was forced to shoot himself, Kennedy was shot, Allende was killed by his military, Sadat was shot by his military, Gaddafi was shot by "alien" military, Sadam was hanged by "his" ... Such SELYAVI
        1. grave 6 January 2020 23: 48 New
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          I read ... it’s easier. In your words, yes, the road is right
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          They won’t fly away, Kara. This does not happen.

          And how many did not live up to the trial? Gaidar, Berezovsky and others. It seems that both Chubais and Gorbachev and others will not survive. You seem to have everyone who got into a statistical error, no luck.
      3. Pyr johns 7 January 2020 01: 30 New
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        And all the sons and daughters of these "patriots" already have an ing. Citizenship ..

        Well, why are you like that. Here the author even gave an example - A. Rogozin, blood from blood, flesh from the flesh of the Motherland.
        Grandpa then he has a simple KJB. Here is dad, yes, a journalist / economist and doctor of technical sciences (?) (Where he defended himself on technology gently wraps around) - a talent, even in KeiBi they did not take.
        Man (A. Rogozin) was honestly a graduate student at MGIMO in 2008, and in 2009 (26 years old), deputy general director of the Promtekhnologii arms factory (MGIMO and the arms factory ... hmm). At 34, he is already the general director of PJSC Il.
        And suddenly this star of the fatherland leads the banal construction of the Nagatinskaya transport interchange hub with financing from billionaires Zakhar Iliev and God Nisanov. And the Shvets, and the reaper, and the dude are on the pipe, but here is the problem of the military-industrial complex, and other branches, as if in the palm of your hand.
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      Perhaps, of course, everything is in the way of presenting information.
      - EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE .... AND THE GAME FOR TALES
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        Quote: antivirus
        Perhaps, of course, everything is in the way of presenting information.
        - EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE .... AND THE GAME FOR TALES

    5. Nick 7 January 2020 06: 36 New
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      BINGO!!! That’s the point, Roman.
      Try serving it differently ... When the fan is off

      He is already trying differently. He began to move to dill mov. Some kind of "Peramogi" included in the article. Probably instead of missing specific facts. For more persuasiveness. And the whole article is deliberately aimed at negative emotions. There are no real arguments, only negative speculation and fiction. Clean order.
  2. rich 6 January 2020 05: 01 New
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    All members of the forum on a holiday !!! good drinks

    Merry Christmas,
    Joy will enter your home
    God keeps from all problems
    The trouble is not to be at all,
    Peace, tranquility, comfort
    They’ll come along with Christmas
    We wish you well
    The blessing of all, happiness and warmth!
    1. Grandfather 6 January 2020 05: 54 New
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      Quote: Rich
      Merry Christmas,

      tomorrow...
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        I knowyes But tomorrow I can’t congratulate request Therefore, all in advancedrinks
      2. Ruslan67 6 January 2020 18: 42 New
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        Quote: Dead Day
        tomorrow...

        Today request Christmas Eve (Christmas Eve)
    2. Astra wild 6 January 2020 07: 33 New
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      Rich, thank you for the poem and postcard.
      In the 21st century we have already moved away from religious fanaticism, but Christmas and Easter are loved by the people. Already many of my friends and colleagues somehow imperceptibly, but begin to observe religious rites. Orthodoxy is probably not alien to the people.
      I learned here that Stalin in November-December 1941 took the time to communicate with the hierarchs of the Orthodox Church. So I think: Orthodoxy is part of our culture and history.
      1. Grandfather 6 January 2020 18: 15 New
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        I learned here that Stalin in November-December 1941 took the time to communicate with the hierarchs of the Orthodox Church.

      2. Nick 7 January 2020 06: 42 New
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        In the 21st century we already moved away from religious fanaticism,

        Orthodoxy never relied on fanaticism, unlike Catholicism. Orthodoxy is based on Holy Scripture, Holy Tradition, Dogmas of Faith.
        Merry Christmas!
  3. Winnie76 6 January 2020 05: 07 New
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    With each new article by Skomorokhov, I get the feeling that I was in the Blue Whale suicide group. Everything is bad, nothing works, does not drive, does not fly, does not shoot, does not swim. If something else has not fallen apart - it will not last long - it will fall apart soon.

    Ps. For some reason, I want to hide under a blanket and open my veins laughing
    1. bessmertniy 6 January 2020 05: 47 New
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      Strange reaction. If suicide was arranged for each occasion, then it would be more logical to do this even in infancy. Well, let's say, the author allowed a little black humor, showed a “view of failure”, so why would you fall into hysteria, cut your veins, and feed the worms !? what You just need to believe that no matter how bad the described situation looks, everything will be fine. hi
      1. kjhg 6 January 2020 07: 51 New
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        Quote: bessmertniy
        everything will be fine.

        I remember how Putin was asked something like what will be better or worse in the future? Putin replied that we thought that before we had a black stripe, and in front there would be a white one. But today we understand that earlier it was white with us, compared to today. But in the future we can find out that today, in fact, it’s white with us.
        Therefore, we must live today, hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. Something like this request
        By the way, I put you a plus only because I think that for a fairly neutral comment you do not need to minus a person.
      2. syndicalist 6 January 2020 08: 07 New
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        Quote: bessmertniy
        everything will be fine

        "We will go to heaven, and they just die"?
        1. Fan-fan 6 January 2020 20: 45 New
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          Yes, no paradise we do not get. All these religious tales must be stopped; faith must be in science, and not in miracles.
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      Quote: Winnie76
      Ps. For some reason, I want to hide under a blanket and open my veins

      and? request See Channel One - Feel better.
    3. Revolver 6 January 2020 07: 43 New
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      For some reason, I want to hide under a blanket and open my veins

      Because you can see the short barrels only in the picture and in the movies. And in America it can be stored in a bedside table. Of course I hope that I don’t need it for this, but God forbid to hear a diagnosis such as cancer in the last stage or Alzheimer in the initial stage, in such a case it is useful to have an emergency exit better than a razor on the wrist or a rope around the neck.
      1. The popuas 6 January 2020 09: 37 New
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        They came up with a vaccine from Alzheimer ... So you will die ignorant smile
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          Oh, if only ... Alas, so far no such vaccine has been offered, at least not in America. And in general, everything that Google searches on this subject does not go beyond the scope of experiments with mice. But I hope that I still have time to wait for something like that. And if not ... Well, then, a 7.62-caliber tablet cures all diseases, and as for me, it’s better than dropping your brain ** drop by drop.
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      Blame it, what's wrong with you? Get out the pig to me ... alright laughing
    5. Svarog 6 January 2020 09: 06 New
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      Quote: Winnie76
      Ps. For some reason, I want to hide under a blanket and open my veins

      It happens that sometimes we don’t like reality .. But we are not ostriches .. but because it’s good that Skomorokhov writes real articles, if there were more such realists, you would look and live better.
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      Quote: Winnie76
      With each new article by Skomorokhov, I get the feeling that I was in the Blue Whale suicide group.


      Yes, write before you open the article on the topic "Yak with us mustache." I give the word, I will publish it.
      1. Winnie76 6 January 2020 12: 44 New
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        Yes, write before you open the article on the topic "Yak with us mustache." I give the word, I will publish it.

        Chukchi is not a writer. I’ll better analyze your article.
        Speaking of “Zircon” and “Vanguard”, which seem to be there and even showed them to someone ... Well, until they release them, while they put them at the service of the Motherland ... In general, how all the shifts-moves to the right will end, then we'll talk.

        If not in the know, an entire regiment of Strategic Missile Forces has already been transferred to Vanguard. What can the regiment of the Strategic Missile Forces do, the stump is clear almost nothing))) Well, the ten largest cities to endure - seeds. Zircon is not shown - apparently still bring what? Fast only cats ...
        I wonder why there are no atomic self-propelled guns of ours, "Petrel" and "Poseidon" on the list. Here they are exactly from the category about which they wrote and talked a lot, but there are more and more doubts about their existence. A cartoon, it, of course, is a good thing, with cartoons everyone in a hybrid war fights, but if it comes to realities

        How did you not please the Petrel and Poseidon? A fundamentally new technique. An ordinary rocket / torpedo / drone has been brought up for ten years. And here is a brand new product. And the fact that under Poseidon the carriers are preparing in the person of two nuclear submarines and “academics” is apparently a sneezed ram. Cartoons.
        .Well, with regard to the first Su-57, more precisely, the T-50, since the Su-57 without a radar with AFAR and the engine is somewhat not a Su-57, or a fifth generation fighter

        How many journalistic cliches can be rubbed. AFAR has additional features, but this does not mean that it is better than VFAR. And the presence of L-band radars generally brings the Su-57 closer to the AWACS aircraft - all the "invisibles" become visible. There are such radars on partner fighters, at least in the project, I have not heard.
        The engine is not at that stage; it goes with these to cruising supersonic.
        The main problem of the “Hunter” is the lack of a system for relaying commands through an orbiting satellite constellation. I translate: there are not enough satellites so that the UAV can receive commands at any point where it can be sent.

        The main problem of any UAVs in a serious slaughter will be knocked down in batches and their effectiveness against a technologically advanced enemy is a big question. And whether such an expensive drone is needed is also a question.
        Problems with astronautics are already tired and do not cause any sensations, except negative ones.

        Do you know the state when there are no problems? For example, in Estonia there are no problems with the space program. But in the Russian Federation and the USA there is
        And if we recall our PR projects for the useless Armata tank, an armored personnel carrier and an infantry fighting vehicle based on the Kurganets, forcibly shoved an unfinished Su-57 fighter into the air force, maneuvering hypersonic missiles and other projects that were shouted very loudly yesterday and very much silently silent today ...

        This is now they are not very needed. And what will happen in 20 years, when today's technology becomes obsolete? What about the unfinished F-35? What nonsense. First, suck out these mythical criteria of the fifth generation from the finger, and then cram the unbearable.
        . For some reason, there is less and less confidence that the Poseidon will actually creep under water, and the Petrel and Hunter, assembled from Chinese components, will reach the enemy. It seems that we can still produce rockets, but somehow, too, everything does not look very dynamic.

        There is no certainty; it does not look dynamic. How is it journalistic
        1. matross 6 January 2020 15: 16 New
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          I’ll better analyze your article

          Bravo, Winnie good
          This is what is called the angle of view. We look under a dull - a sketch and everything is lost, under a sharp one - the results are obvious, the prospects are visible.
          But PR managers in the Moscow Oblast - unequivocally according to the NSS and the "promising" positions in Transbaikalia, cannot cope ...
          In general, it is necessary to reduce the number of military topics in everyday life and the media, endless parades for any reason, exhibitions of military equipment of all times, it’s not clear why, the release of news of any level - we’ll definitely find out how the exercises went down to the company with training grenade throwing)) If the task is set, educate mother mother !!! patriotism!! - so our fools will smash into a cake, overfeed everyone until they vomit militarism. The word was recalled from the past Soviet - "companionship."
          And the last IMHO - the greatest damage to defense is not caused by a lack of modern weapons, but by an overabundance of generals, a military bureaucracy, and a year-long call of KSM sons.
        2. Arkon 6 January 2020 15: 25 New
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          Yes that's right. And here it is, I like it very much:

          The Peresvet combat laser ... Well, since absolutely everything is kept secret, and the principles of work are “new physical” ... We will study new physics, get at least some data, then we'll talk too.


          Well, it’s logical: to reproach the latest weapons with the fact that the author of the article “did not study new physics”. Well, how is it any different?
          And you can even “ignore” any successes in Russia: successful testing of new missile defense missiles, the beginning of deliveries to the S-350 troops, launching of new icebreakers, the start of testing the MS-21 with PD-14, and there’s a lot more that can’t be "not notice".
          Everything is “journalistic”, as you rightly noted. smile
      2. Vadim237 6 January 2020 15: 57 New
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        Neither Zircon nor Vanguard will be shown to you, since the airframe design is a state secret and will remain so for decades. If you see them only sheathed and in shipping containers.
    7. Romka 6 January 2020 13: 56 New
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      Indeed, "so many have already been promised to our people, but to him everything is small and small."
      1. Winnie76 6 January 2020 14: 02 New
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        Quote: Romka
        Indeed, "so many have already been promised to our people, but everything is small and small"

        And in the elderberry garden. The article reviewed the state of the military-industrial complex. Where IMHO more or less. As for the welfare of citizens, here I am ready to support Skomorokhov’s mood
        1. Romka 6 January 2020 14: 09 New
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          No, dear, but I’m talking about the military-industrial complex. All these "cartoons" for domestic consumption. Read an article on the status of the Pacific Leopards: Empire's Broken Sword. Just the facts. Sad facts.
          1. Winnie76 6 January 2020 14: 19 New
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            Read. Out of Barca. The point is now to cry. In the absence of a printing press (as in the USA), it is necessary to finance the most priority areas. Air defense, aviation, Strategic Missile Forces, the rest that remains.
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              In the absence of a printing press

              Or maybe he could transport the machine to himself and let him work in Russia?
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                Take me to the country. I will take care of all the costs for electricity and paper.
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                  Only charge the farm with cryptocurrency wisely, there is a role model
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      Don’t you feel that the boat is sinking? The king won’t smell anything either, everything was fine with him ... But when he saw, it was too late.
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        Your boat already drowned in 1991, Russia continued sailing and will continue on.
  4. Vladimir_2U 6 January 2020 05: 08 New
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    Not only everyone loves problems, few people experience any sensations other than negative ones from problems.
    Perhaps never. Problems with astronautics are already tired and do not cause any sensations, except negative ones.
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      Problems with the space program are already tired

      further down the list: education, medicine, housing and communal services, pensions, child allowances, treatment of children, failures in state armament, and so on ... well, at least it snowed ...
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        Quote: Dead Day
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Problems with the space program are already tired

        further down the list: education, medicine, housing and communal services, pensions, child allowances, treatment of children, failures in state armament, and so on ... well, at least it snowed ...

        and what is wrong ? where is the truth
      2. Astra wild 6 January 2020 07: 35 New
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        And we don’t have snow. And I want winter to be like winter
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          Have you paid the snow tax? .. How to pay and it will ... laughing
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            At Medvedev's cottage, snow fell separately from the neighbors .... In the course of the tax laughing
      3. Vadim237 6 January 2020 16: 02 New
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        Since this year, child benefits have been increased from 50 rubles to 11000, with the formation of what - what are the negative factors and what are they based on.
        1. Ruslan67 6 January 2020 18: 51 New
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          Child benefits from this year increased from 50 rubles to 11000,

          According to their logic, VAT increased in your pocket request And then a bummer, they took it and gave it to the children.
          1. Vadim237 6 January 2020 21: 06 New
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            Mn to increase the VAT nevermind since it is being returned to me as an exporter.
        2. 2 Level Advisor 7 January 2020 21: 38 New
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          Give a link to the law pliz .. did not find where 11000 are now paid ..
          1. Vadim237 8 January 2020 00: 00 New
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            Here is more detailed https://zagorodnaya-life.ru.
  5. eklmn 6 January 2020 05: 35 New
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    Dear Roman - I take off my hat! Parsed brilliantly, thanks!
    And the last paragraph just kills:
    “Perhaps we should stop telling tales of what will happen the day after tomorrow, and start telling, and tell honestly that of what was promised yesterday was completed today.”
    I suspect that you have spied the appeal by January 15 and this is its first paragraph.
    To return the country from the narcotic dope of the constant promises of “tolerating_little_little” and “outstanding_results_not_ looking_on” to the gray sobering-frightening reality when the electorate starts asking questions “what_ else_ so?”, “And we_were told_other !!” ....
    The last time Gorbachev did it, now you are trying ..
    Good luck!!
    1. Arkon 6 January 2020 17: 32 New
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      Quote: eklmn
      The last time Gorbachev did it, now you are trying ..


      Right It seems that the role of the Gorbachev VO site is what the author of the article is trying to do. laughing

      Only now I won’t wish him luck. The site is a pity.
  6. Fourth Horseman 6 January 2020 05: 36 New
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    This is discipline, this is what I understand.
    With a clear periodicity, in three to four days, Skomorokhov says that #weAllUmriom!
    Our song is good, start from the beginning.
    1. LeonidL 6 January 2020 05: 57 New
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      I am absolutely sure that Mr. Roman Skomorokhov does not possess and cannot possess all the completeness of information. But as for periodicity and horror movies, this is the point - that it’s not Timokhin’s article, that “the sofa is sinking”! First you give the Big Fleet with aircraft carriers, then the entire leadership of the Moscow Region and the Navy - the “mafia”, “corrupt officials” and just incompetent people ... Everything is bad, you need to build Burke, you need to build Perry ... albeit bad but a lot, you need to mine the Baltic, Capture northern Norway and Svalbard ... you can’t list everything. Maybe right in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation about the beginning of the information war? But why then "IN" to provide their pages? Or ....?
      1. Amateur 6 January 2020 06: 56 New
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        Skororokhov played in publicity and democracy. What is not an article, it’s getting closer and closer to no one "Echo".
      2. Arkon 6 January 2020 15: 41 New
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        Quote: LeonidL
        Maybe right in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation about the beginning of the information war? But why then "IN" to provide their pages? Or ....?


        On the VO site I did not leave comments for two years, probably, or even more. Well, there was simply nothing to write - I read articles on weapons, comment on them, with a lack of qualifications, I did not consider it necessary. But the bacchanalia, which began on the site six months ago, cannot be said in any other way. Well, it's really a pity to lose the site - objectivity and does not smell already. The editors, of course, can build whatever policy they want, but then it should be ready for the site to have a reputation for the Echo of Moscow branch.
        It is very convenient, of course, under the flag of “objectivity” and criticism of “cheers-patriotism” to engage in outright criticism, but this will not last long. Reputation is built up over the years, and collapses very quickly.
        1. Ruslan67 6 January 2020 18: 53 New
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          [quote = Arkon] On the VO site, I did not leave comments for two years, probably, or even more. Well, there was simply nothing to write - I read articles on weapons, comment on them, with a lack of qualifications, I did not consider it necessary. But the bacchanalia, which began on the site six months ago, cannot be said in any other way.
          Same crap sad [quote = Arcon] Well, really sorry to lose the site [/ quote]
          With my length of service bully
        2. Fan-fan 6 January 2020 21: 00 New
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          Reputation is built up over the years, and collapses very quickly.
          Or maybe the site has not lost its reputation, but officials. Does Medvedev's ministers have a good reputation, led by himself? And the MO, which themselves do not spoil their reputation, for example, I remember how several years ago, specialists from the MO published a video from a computer game, and gave it away for real shooting our military operations in Syria.
          1. Arkon 6 January 2020 21: 07 New
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            Quote: Fan-Fan
            how, several years ago, specialists from the Moscow Region published a video from a computer game, and gave it away for real shooting our military operations in Syria.


            Strong. Well, i.e. the real operation in Aleppo, for example, didn’t impress you at all? Like the overall outcome of the fighting in Syria? But the fact that once there “a few years ago” someone showed something wrong there is a really indelible stain on the reputation.
            You and Skomorokhov think alike. Thousands of newly built facilities and phenomenal breakthroughs in new weapons are not impressing him either. He is not at all impressed with the overall result of overcoming the devastation in the army.

            But here is the fact that the Su-57 engine is still not ready for the second stage engine, which he personally promised three years ago - yes. The catastrophe is simple.

            I’m talking about this distortion of scale.
            1. Fan-fan 6 January 2020 21: 19 New
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              Well, the fact of incompetence or real lies in the Moscow Region was the same.
              Like the overall outcome of the fighting in Syria?

              The overall result is still in positive territory, Assad has been saved, for now, but the outcome of the whole situation is not clear. Syria is divided and, for example, the Americans are quietly bossing there, they are not letting anyone on the left bank of the Euphrates.
              And "phenomenal breakthroughs in armaments" are empty words, since these super-duper weapons are either listed in units or have not been adopted at all. For a long time I was looking for Old, how many famous “Caliber” we have, and I could not find more than 200 pieces. But at sea we have very bad conditions, for example, there is no naval aviation at all, the fleet is breathing its last, and you are talking about some breakthroughs.
              1. Arkon 6 January 2020 21: 24 New
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                Quote: Fan-Fan
                And "phenomenal breakthroughs in armaments" are empty words, since these super-duper weapons are either listed in units or have not been adopted at all.


                Are you kidding me like that? Do you know the words "production cycle", which includes stages from design and modeling to the production of prototypes and mass production? Breakthrough weapons physically now cannot be in large numbers in the troops. Do you consider this a disadvantage?
                How can one distort and consider oneself “realist”? You are just a dreamer, not a realist, in that case.
                1. Fan-fan 6 January 2020 21: 32 New
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                  Well, I’m talking about the same thing - there are no new weapons in sufficient quantities. I understand that this is not being done quickly (although under Stalin it was done quickly), we cannot put the production of these new weapons on the “stream” —that's bad. But a lot of new weapons from the declared, in general, is a big question.
                  1. Arkon 6 January 2020 21: 37 New
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                    Well, I’m talking about the same thing - there are no new weapons in sufficient quantities.


                    There are new ones. On a sufficient scale. Probably, we haven’t had such a quantity of new equipment in the troops as now, since the 30s of the last century, when the pre-war preparations were underway. No breakthroughs. And here you are distorting. What for? What's the point?
                    1. Fan-fan 6 January 2020 21: 53 New
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                      Probably, we haven’t had such a quantity of new equipment in the troops, as now, since the 30s of the last century,

                      You are mistaken, Stalin during the hardest time of the war was able to organize the production of weapons that were excellent for that time - tens of thousands of tanks and aircraft. Now this is impossible with us. And the USSR riveted rockets and submarines at such a pace that the West itself requested negotiations.
                      1. Arkon 6 January 2020 22: 01 New
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                        Quote: Fan-Fan
                        And the USSR riveted rockets and submarines at such a pace that the West itself requested negotiations.


                        Why words? Just give the share of new tanks in the troops in the USSR, the share of new air defense systems, the share of new aircraft. What does the rocket have to do with it? So, our START treaty is valid. Why are you distorting again? Really uninteresting is becoming.
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                        Quote: Fan-Fan
                        Stalin during the hardest time of the war was able to organize the production of weapons excellent for that time

                        Do you seriously consider the Soviet weapons of the times of WW2 even simply capable? Why so? And what patterns do you especially like?
                        Quote: Fan-Fan
                        And the USSR riveted rockets and submarines at such a pace that the West itself requested negotiations.

                        The West didn’t give a damn about how the dodgy USSR was having fun there. It was the United States profitable, they concluded contracts. It became unprofitable, they came out of them. Did (and do) what they wanted.
                      3. Dart2027 6 January 2020 23: 18 New
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                        Quote: Fan-Fan
                        excellent weapons for that time

                        What was then and what is now very different in complexity.
              2. e-sam 6 January 2020 22: 05 New
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                The overall result is still in positive territory, Assad has been saved, for now, but the outcome of the whole situation is not clear.

                What is the Russians with this? What for they need this Assad?
                The total result is not a plus, but a huge minus. There were expenses, and considerable.
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                Syria is divided and, for example, the Americans are quietly bossing there, they are not letting anyone on the left bank of the Euphrates.

                What do you (and Russians) want from this?
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                But at sea we have very bad conditions, for example, there is no naval aviation at all, the fleet is breathing its last, and you are talking about some breakthroughs.

                Uncle, the Russian Federation has a lucrative economy (approximately the same as the USSR had). What is naval aviation? Which fleet?
                The 21st economy of the world, and show-offs, like something big.
                Do you want to drop everything on the "defense", as it was in the USSR?
                And then everything will end, as in the USSR.
                1. Sergej1972 6 January 2020 23: 21 New
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                  At a par value of 11-12, at purchasing power parity at 6th place in the world. Are you stuck in the realities of the late 90s? Although that dive to take.
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                    Quote: Sergej1972
                    At a par value of 11-12, at purchasing power parity at 6th place in the world.

                    You should read at least one economic book before mentioning nonsense like PPP GDP. This is generally a meaningless term that does not carry any semantic meaning.
                    And the term GDP in general does not have the same meaning as you think.
                    Quote: Sergej1972
                    Are you stuck in the realities of the late 90s?

                    No, I'm just an expert in this field.
                    Quote: Sergej1972
                    Although that dive to take.

                    Look at yourself, wretched.
                    If smart people write to you that the 21st economy of the world, then you try to remember this for yourself. Useful.
                    1. Vadim237 7 January 2020 14: 28 New
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                      Before you write any garbage yourself, take a textbook on market economics and study it, otherwise the specialist will work hard on you.
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                        Quote: Vadim237
                        You before all garbage, write

                        I do not have your habits. But I have a VERY deep economic education. Well, very advanced.
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        and then the specialist of you on a solid tweens.

                        People think differently. And for that they pay me good loot.
                        And to you, if you are interested in economics, I highly recommend .... study English. To start. And then, already in English, study what GDP is. And HOW (what indicators) determines the power of the economy of a country in the world.
                        Having studied all this, you will be surprised to learn that GDP by country is an INTERIM indicator of PRODUCTION of a product. Which does NOT indicate how it is then DISTRIBUTED by country.
                        And most importantly in the economy, it is precisely the DISTRIBUTION. This was even communists in the USSR knew with their special distributors, but you do not know.
                        Not knowing the DISTRIBUTIONS (and the GDP indicator does not show it at all), to derive the PPP indicator of GDP (the indicator is purely consumerist), this is nonsense.
                        But do not think that this happens by chance. If you show the true state of things, a terrible picture of the world will open. Just disastrous. Therefore, suckers at first were reassured by such an indicator as GDP. And then when he didn’t miss it, they came up with PPP GDP.
                        After that, the suckers calmed down a little and habitually reached for the stall. What was required of them.
                        Yes, and one more thing, the "golden billion" is not a figure of speech. This population is quite specific 22 countries (in 2018) with a population of 1.004,7 million people.
                        Still, if interested, the average Russian is at the bottom of the group of developing countries of the third world. With an unpleasant downward trend (in 2018). I would like to believe that the Russian Federation will not fall into the group of countries-losers of the third world of the Russian Federation. But measures to stimulate a reduction in the country's population must be taken now. Otherwise, it will be too late.
                        Learn English. Useful.
                      2. Vadim237 7 January 2020 19: 36 New
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                        The most important thing now in a market economy is an indicator of net profit. Your distribution remained in the planned economy of the USSR - when coconuts and loyalty distributed their products with high added value to one hundred and twenty poor countries, which in turn led to an increasing deficit in the country, and then in the 80s and to the bankruptcy of the USSR - were redistributed in the 1991th.
                2. shahor 9 January 2020 18: 49 New
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                  At a par value of 11-12, at purchasing power parity at 6th place in the world.

                  Well, the USSR, according to the State Statistics Service, was in 2nd place until the collapse ... And you are 11-12.
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                    I rely on official data from the IMF, UN and World Bank, which are easy to find on the Internet. I don’t understand why the e-sam troll-Russophobe speaks of 21 places. I may have incorrectly called him a dodger, but I was enraged by the phrase about the "dodged USSR". The 6th place of the Russian Federation in terms of GDP at PPPs and 11 or 12 at face value (here the UN, the World Bank and the IMF have differences) is not questioned by anyone.
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                    So now no one is questioning the fact that in the late 80s, according to some sources, the USSR occupied the second and third place in the world in terms of industrial production. As for the GDP of the late USSR, here the indicators were more modest.
          2. Dart2027 6 January 2020 21: 19 New
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            I’m talking about this distortion of scale.

            It's time to revive the article for alarmism.
    2. timokhin-aa 6 January 2020 20: 23 New
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      Gygs. This is what LeonidL got you stuck with. This is not my article? Why remember me in vain? This is not good, Leonid L. I don’t need to mention me in vain.
      1. Ruslan67 6 January 2020 20: 31 New
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        Quote: timokhin-aa
        I don’t need to mention me in vain.

        Quote: timokhin-aa
        It’s not good

        And this is for Christmas belay
        Vocational school named after Timokhin of All Russia wassat
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            1. timokhin-aa 6 January 2020 22: 01 New
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              Or you all have access only to certain information and throw it on the head of readers


              We all have access to the same information - the media. It’s just that some people when they are fed info just say: “mu” and continue to chew, while others are able to remember what they tried to feed them yesterday, the day before, etc. and even compare.

              A simple example. On the website of the Ministry of Defense, S.K. Shoigu, where he says that in 2019 five warships of the far sea zone were laid down. "Uriapatriot" at this moment should simply growl.
              But I know that there were four of them.
              And what am I supposed to do about it? Believe the Minister? But what is the fifth then?

              Merry Christmas to you.
              1. Ruslan67 6 January 2020 22: 06 New
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                On the website of the Ministry of Defense, S.K. Shoigu, where he says that in 2019 five warships of the far sea zone were laid down.

                Did they tell us everything exactly?
                Quote: timokhin-aa
                But what is the fifth then?

                Maybe one of the nuclear icebreakers is funded by the Moscow Region or has some additional functions? what Pure as an assumption
                Quote: timokhin-aa
                And what am I supposed to do about it? Believe the Minister?

                Yes, anything. You can just wait. For me, freedom of speech is when I can say whatever comes into my head but don’t do it. request
                1. timokhin-aa 13 January 2020 09: 55 New
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                  No, there was a scam to deceive the president. And initially failed, but the MO continues to pretend that everything is as it should. Then the guys got out, but on the verge of a foul.

                  I will write about this later. With evidence.
              2. Dart2027 6 January 2020 23: 28 New
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                Quote: timokhin-aa
                But what is the fifth then?
                I have not seen a speech, but in articles on this subject they talk about two BDKs, two frigates and
                Shoigu recalled that at the Severnaya Verf shipyard they are also preparing for the docking of large blocks of the corps of the project 20386.
                most likely the journalist confused the bookmark and docking.
                1. timokhin-aa 13 January 2020 09: 41 New
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                  I have one bomb on this subject, I'll post it a bit later. Photo proof of lawlessness from the shipbuilding industry and Moscow Region.
                  This month.
                  And precisely about the fifth ship.
                  1. Dart2027 13 January 2020 19: 46 New
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                    I have one bomb on this subject, I'll post it a bit later. Photo proof of lawlessness

                    Since I did not see him, I can’t say anything.
      2. LeonidL 7 January 2020 00: 46 New
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        Mr. Timokhin! You very gracefully removed my comments from your article. I will repeat briefly: You wrote that you have a lot of friends writing "mister" in business letters and "sir" in friendly letters. I asked the question: "Are they also patriots, benefactors and well-wishers of Russia?" You have paraphrased the phrase in your article and let them kill each other there ... This allows me to doubt your honesty and sincerity. Two articles are about the same message, though Skomorokhov is more intelligent and self-possessed, and yours is completely unacceptable .... You, both in naval and aviation-automobile matters, consider yourself an unquestioned authority. if you are such an authority, then your authoritative messages like “mining the Baltic Sea”, “seizing Northern Norway and Svalbard”, and the latest one clearly requiring Russia to fit in with the destroyed Iranian general, are very provocative and harm the cause of peace. The whole world, not only Russia, but undermine its reputation above all. By the way, from the beginning of your article, the image of the Iranian is sculpted in a very peculiar way - a typical new Bin Laden. What is it for? And do not threaten me, do not, believe me.
  • Grits 6 January 2020 05: 39 New
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    But nothing surprising. In a collapsed and wretched economy, real, effective, good weapons that en masse from conveyors cannot appear. Since PVC is part of the economy itself. Accordingly, together with the lack of production, there are also no machine tools, electronics, engines, specialists, new technologies and developments. All only in single copies in the form of drawings, mock-ups, exhibition samples. In the best case, in the form of long-term and endless laboratory and field tests.
    They tell us about the development of industry, they plug our ears with beautiful numbers with large zeros, with incomprehensible percentages. But we see everything with our own eyes. What kind of economic development are we talking about? What are you talking about? Let each of their VO readers remember when he last saw in his region the construction of a new plant, plant, factory, just a small workshop, finally? That is, that which produces any product. But we see mushrooming shops, shopping and entertainment centers everywhere. And all this appears at a very high pace. Unfortunately, even on the site of former factories. And this is what our government calls the economy. That is, actions to buy goods made by them from China and sell it to our citizens. And what? Very well. Indeed, the figures for economic growth are growing. Trade is also an economy ...
    That's just the number of stores does not increase for some reason, the number of tanks and aircraft
    1. ML-334 6 January 2020 09: 17 New
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      Kamensk-Uralsky - modernization of old and construction of new workshops, shops are also growing like mushrooms, so the people have money. And whiners as they were and will remain.
      1. SovAr238A 6 January 2020 10: 26 New
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        Quote: ML-334
        Kamensk-Ural

        Are new workshops being built at a metallurgical plant? Come on.
        I can still believe that modernization is underway, for even the tsarist camps have worked out theirs and are simply begging for modernization ...

        A town of 150 thousand population, less than any district and some micro-districts of cities such as Samara, Yekaterinburg.

        Only now in the same Samara - there are only 4 working large enterprises.
        Kuznetsov, Progress, Frunze, Hydroautomatics

        And this or almost this scale used to be almost 40 enterprises.
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          I tell you about Kamensk, you tell me about Samara, in contrast to which all our plants are working and new workshops are being built.
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            I tell you about Kamensk, you tell me about Samara, in contrast to which all our plants are working and new workshops are being built.


            You are a grain of sand in the country ... a small town - which I pass by in 12 minutes.
            And you have nothing to do except metal.

            And what to do in big cities - which were really industrial centers of the whole country?
            Which were the industrial centers of defense, engineering, aircraft manufacturing - what is the matter with them?
            In which live 10 times more population ...
            Almost three thousand previously operated at three bearing factories.
            At the aircraft factory, almost 15 thousand.
            Nothing left

            Here I am talking about.
            And you are like that sandpiper who lives in a swamp and only sees him ...
            And he does not understand that besides your swamp - there are also rivers and seas and fields ...
            1. ML-334 6 January 2020 13: 27 New
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              In addition to metal, and these are three plants, there is a fourth pipe, there are plants working for the defense industry, and they are expanding. I can only sympathize that everything has fallen apart and I love my “swamp”. Yes, it was difficult in dashing but withstood, the people we have are and even on such "contingent" towns the entire Urals are held.
              1. Ingvar 72 6 January 2020 21: 33 New
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                here they are expanding

                How many jobs did this expansion give?
                1. ML-334 7 January 2020 07: 34 New
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                  the question is not correct.
                  1. Ingvar 72 7 January 2020 10: 06 New
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                    Quote: ML-334
                    the question is not correct.

                    It just is not convenient for you. And everything is in order with correctness.
                    1. ML-334 7 January 2020 10: 18 New
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                      Igor is a defense industry: maybe two machines can be two hundred people and I won’t be surprised that after this question you are being watched so check.
                      1. Ingvar 72 7 January 2020 10: 24 New
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                        Quote: ML-334
                        Igor is a defense industry:

                        I don’t know, you catch the connection, but I’ll give an example - during the WWII the British very quickly caught up with the Germans for the production of aircraft, organizing their production at defense plants, since they had qualified personnel.
                2. The popuas 7 January 2020 16: 22 New
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                  Not at all .... people were thrown from other workshops, and the rest were injected for three! The result, increased productivity, well, and increased production! Only people from this is not easier
            2. Vadim237 6 January 2020 16: 10 New
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              Do not tell me how many aircraft the USSR sold for currency?
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                The Union sold a few pieces of the Yak-40 to the Bundesnemts. True, the airline-operator very quickly went bankrupt due to the exorbitant appetite of “Okurk”. The rest of the aircraft was sold to vassals either on credit or in exchange for colonial goods.
        2. Ingvar 72 6 January 2020 21: 31 New
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          Quote: SovAr238A
          Only now in the same Samara - there are only 4 working large enterprises.

          Particularly sorry for the bearing plant, one of a kind.
      2. ML-334 6 January 2020 11: 14 New
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        By the way, minus for the whiners, or someone does not like that something is being built with us?
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          Quote: ML-334
          or someone doesn’t like that something is being built

          Apparently yes.
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          Quote: ML-334
          By the way, minus for the whiners, or someone does not like that something is being built with us?


          Nothing is being built.
          If you have built a flour mill for 100 people in your village. then in our millionaire hundreds and thousands of enterprises and almost 500 thousand people who previously worked for them stood up - already FSE ...
          and not a single truly large enterprise. at least 1000 places were not built.
          1. ML-334 6 January 2020 13: 42 New
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            You guys have not tried to work? Why do you need one in a thousand when you can have a thousand in a hundred.
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              Quote: ML-334
              You guys have not tried to work?

              Yes, we would be happy to work. It would be where. But, unfortunately, now men do not work at the machine, but sellers or security guards. Because there is something to protect and what to sell. But there is no that produces products.
            2. Fan-fan 6 January 2020 21: 06 New
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              Why do you need one in a thousand when you can have a thousand in a hundred.

              Because an enterprise for a thousand people can produce complex equipment, and an enterprise for a hundred people - screwdrivers and hammers.
              1. Vadim237 7 January 2020 14: 41 New
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                Now an enterprise of 500 people will calmly deal with this, but that 500 people and 1000 or more people will have to order materials and components from numerous related enterprises, since only a few can now carry out a full production cycle - those with a large constant volume of output .
          2. Vadim237 6 January 2020 16: 23 New
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            Now an enterprise with a staff of 200 produces as much as 30 years ago an enterprise with 4000 or more people produced, with machines the same one processing center with CNC, one hundred processing operations replaces 100 old Soviet machines. There is no longer a planned economy, just as there are no 14 countries in a bunch that consumed all this, as well as 120 countries of the world where the USSR gave half of its output for barter for loyalty. Most of the enterprises and the defense industry of the USSR rested precisely on these three pillars.
            1. SovAr238A 6 January 2020 16: 48 New
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              Quote: Vadim237
              Now an enterprise with a staff of 200 produces as much as 30 years ago an enterprise with 4000 or more people produced, with machines the same one processing center with CNC, one hundred processing operations replaces 100 old Soviet machines. There is no longer a planned economy, just as there are no 14 countries in a bunch that consumed all this, as well as 120 countries of the world where the USSR gave half of its output for barter for loyalty. Most of the enterprises and the defense industry of the USSR rested precisely on these three pillars.


              Where do people work?

              35 years ago there were practically no factories in China - and now it is a global production site.
              Worldwide.
              1. Vadim237 6 January 2020 17: 14 New
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                But foreign capital came to China in the 70s. "There were practically no factories in China 35 years ago." But what, don’t you tell me 55 years ago how they created the atomic and hydrogen bombs without plants and manufactures?
                1. Kronos 6 January 2020 18: 50 New
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                  So the USSR passed everything to them
                  1. Vadim237 7 January 2020 14: 33 New
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                    I handed everything over - and in return received a cookie.
        3. Arkon 6 January 2020 15: 44 New
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          or someone doesn’t like that something is being built


          Yes, I’m sure it is. Soon, it will be possible to read only the “ragged” comments. As the most appropriate. laughing
        4. Doliva63 6 January 2020 18: 06 New
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          By the way, minus for the whiners, or someone does not like that something is being built with us?

          There was a post about the first Soviet five-year plans, when they built 1500 enterprises in the country - this is called building. And when a couple of workshops, instead of collapsed ones, is chukhna, not build. From 2000 to 2018, he often visited Kamensk for work; for almost 20 years, nothing has changed much for the better. So your “construction” is about nothing, excuse my directness. By the way, at Sinar, an acquaintance works as a big boss, he is from the Jobburg administration, he was threatened by the NSS, he quickly got over to you. You’ll tune a lot with these, yeah.
          1. Vadim237 6 January 2020 21: 16 New
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            A lot of things have been built throughout Russia, ranging from new roads to large enterprises, and if they don’t do anything in Kamensk, this is a problem for local loafers. Those who have infrastructural and other projects are being built, and those who don’t have them and those who don’t want to do this will understandably be in ruin - each year more than a trillion rubles for the development of the regions is returned to the budget as not spent, due to the reason described above.
            1. LeonidL 7 January 2020 00: 56 New
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              You can’t prove to whiners. In the Chelyabinsk region, Snezhinsk is building an almost new electronics factory. Of course, fewer people will work than on a similar (unfinished) Soviet, which is quite normal - a new level of automation, new technologies. And whiners will whine and curse everyone and everything ... except themselves.
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                In the Chelyabinsk region, Snezhinsk is building an almost new electronics factory.

                Bad example. Given what products are produced in Snezhinsk and why electronics is needed there. This is the expenditure side of the budget.
                1. LeonidL 9 January 2020 19: 10 New
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                  The military-industrial complex is always the locomotive of the civil sector, in addition - jobs, training, infrastructure - this also pulls the economy.
          2. ML-334 7 January 2020 10: 50 New
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            In my first comment, I was glad that we all thank God but not everyone shares my opinion, they envy me. I want to wish everyone good luck and the development of industry, and I'm sorry if I offended anyone with a word. Merry Christmas everyone.
        5. Gost2012 6 January 2020 18: 09 New
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          By the way, minus for the whiners, or someone does not like that something is being built with us?

          minus for the positive, here the trend is an attack on power and the country - everything is lost .. everything is bad, and medicine is bad (and there are a lot of doctors and they are aware), and space is bad (there are a lot of astronauts and they are aware), and with the defense of the seams (there are a lot of MOs and they are in the know), and with education it’s bad (most of the teachers here and they are in the know), and indeed here the people are in the know about the country - everything’s bad! but, apparently, they can do it better and know that Putin simply didn’t let them steer them, and Grudinin didn’t let anything good, and he stole the pensions altogether.
          And here you are - but I'm fine! So of course, minus you, everyone is feeling bad, but he’s fine laughing
    2. Dimy4 6 January 2020 09: 17 New
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      Let each of their VO readers remember when he last saw in his region the construction of a new plant, plant, factory, just a small workshop, finally?

      I remember, we have built a small factory for the production of meat and bone meal and a small village in addition to the workers. In the year 1986! And since then nothing more sad
    3. The popuas 6 January 2020 09: 44 New
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      The economy in Russia due to the construction of parking lots is growing ... for more “hucksters” have no brains hi
      1. AU Ivanov. 6 January 2020 23: 24 New
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        Attention, a question! Why did you need so many parking spaces? After all, the people are poor, starving. What other parking lots, what cars, here the other day the last hedgehog was eaten without salt. But parking lots are being built, and paid, and still they are not enough. Paradox.
        1. LeonidL 7 January 2020 00: 57 New
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          Excellent caught another "analyst-whiner"!
          1. The popuas 7 January 2020 16: 26 New
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            Lenya you do not understand the irony
    4. Vadim237 6 January 2020 16: 08 New
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      "In a collapsed and wretched economy." Again Obama 2.0? Russia's GDP is 11th in the world in terms of PPP 6th in the world - 194 countries envy such a "wretched" and "collapsed" economy.
      1. karabass 6 January 2020 20: 51 New
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        Yes, somewhere in the outskirts of the world, they are probably envious, but the people of Russia do not expect from our rulers any avant-gardes of the Donbas of the Olympics, etc.
        First of all, we need good and not beggarly salaries, and if our government is not able to provide them, then we are ready to take risks and change them in the next election
        1. AU Ivanov. 6 January 2020 23: 27 New
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          Does the government pay you your salary? You are apparently working in the presidential administration. However, your question is not addressed, the company has an owner and, with a greater probability, this is not the government of the Russian Federation.
        2. Sergej1972 7 January 2020 00: 18 New
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          What do you mean when talking about Donbass?
      2. vvnab 6 January 2020 23: 21 New
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        Russia's GDP 11 in the world by PPP GDP

        Actually the 50s. If per capita (otherwise, what's the point?)
  • svp67 6 January 2020 05: 40 New
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    "Fly in the ointment"? No, the "whole bucket" ...
    It is impossible for all the people to pour "tar" every time, we have this rule since the USSR. No wonder that in those days they simply did not publish events, even global ones. The people should feel and know that he can do everything and everything is subject to him. Now we are reaping the consequences of this information policy. One thing I’ll say is that the louder they shout “Urya !!!” without giving objective information, the faster “Urya !!!” goes to "Everything is gone !!!", at the slightest failure. What we see very well both at home and at our relatives and neighbors, with their "Peremoga-Zrada"
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      The people should feel and know that he can do everything and everything is subject to him.

      what ??? belay
    2. SovAr238A 6 January 2020 11: 23 New
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      One thing I’ll say is that the louder they shout “Urya !!!” without giving objective information, the faster “Urya !!!” goes to "Everything is gone !!!", at the slightest failure. "


      So maybe now it will become clear to everyone - that the immense Urya is an indispensable way to the discontent of the population?
      The more "Urya" will be on all sides - the greater the chances of a Maidan inside Russia?

      And what is Urya itself - and there are anti-Russian actions?
      And what is this “Urya” - it acts destructively on the population of Russia?
      And what is Urya itself - does it work just as Western and other countries, striving to destroy the Russian state structures, need?
      And that this is “Urya” itself - and the millions of “Uryakaloks” who have come out of nowhere - the essence of sabotage from the West and is paid by the West.


      I have been writing about this for several years on this resource ...

      But the woofer more and more - so soon we are waiting for the Maidan ...
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    1. Amateur 6 January 2020 07: 07 New
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      Here is vivid evidence of the perversity of the socialist collective farm system in comparison with capitalist farming.
      A nightmare, Styopa, do you have all the collective farms?
      Well what are you, Jack, what are you. A kilometer from here is the millionaire collective farm. But ordered to show only the worst.


      (L. Gaidai, "On Deribasovskaya ...")
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  • LeonidL 6 January 2020 06: 01 New
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    But we see mushrooming shops, shopping and entertainment centers everywhere.

    Remember how in the days of the USSR you and many others like you were the first to shout that here we have no shops with goods, no entertainment centers, no shopping centers, no cafes, no restaurants .... Russia is no longer the USSR and lives, thanks to You under capitalism. they chose it themselves, they tore the tickets and cursed komunyak ... Therefore, take everything calmly. What you have listed is private capital. But defense is a state affair as is the military-industrial complex. Do not be confused.
    1. cradle 6 January 2020 08: 05 New
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      I totally agree, we ourselves wanted change and didn’t take to the streets when we ruined OUR country ... and lose throats we gimme DAY ... in both hands ... For what we fought, we ran into something. Wanted jeans and a bubble gum, hateful scoop? Receive, sign ... crying
      And we still live, relatively, normally, if cho. Everything is relative. hi
    2. SovAr238A 6 January 2020 11: 30 New
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      Quote: LeonidL
      What you have listed is private capital. But defense is a state affair as is the military-industrial complex. Do not be confused.


      And what is our defense living in complete isolation from the country?
      There, with a wave of a wand - experts are taken, although the vocational school system is completely destroyed.
      There, by a wave of a wand, the best graduates of universities remain working, although in any more or less normal company he will be paid three times as much.
      There, by a wave of a wand - are there interest-free loans, so that a young specialist who wants to start a family can take a mortgage?

      what is there in this defense of yours? (in which I worked enough) ...

      The defense industry is by no means possible in isolation from the population and the economy.
      You will not find a specialist of a high category anywhere without certain conditions for the growth of this specialist. And he grows up in society.
      And if in society there are no prerequisites for it (specialist 0 appearance - then to hell with you. And not the defense industry.

      I remember very well how we tried to restore 18 air lines in Samara. With billions of money, they couldn’t.
      1. AA17 6 January 2020 13: 40 New
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        Dear, SovAr238A (Al). I agree with you. Those who have a technical education, who have worked or work in industrial enterprises, perfectly understand and realize the situation in which our industry is. From the letters of J.O. P.A. not to add the word happiness. But the "lawyers" and "economists" argue that everything is fine in our industry.
        1. Arkon 6 January 2020 20: 42 New
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          But the "lawyers" and "economists" argue that everything is fine in our industry.


          Please list 10 industries in which we are doing very poorly, from your point of view.
          1. Fan-fan 6 January 2020 21: 41 New
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            Why ten? Engine building: diesel engines for the fleet, non-volatile power plants for non-nuclear submarines, but powerful gas turbines for power plants, and how many percent of imported components are in the SuperJet, so our industry does not produce this.
            1. Arkon 6 January 2020 21: 50 New
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              Quote: Fan-Fan
              Why ten?


              What do you mean why? For the big picture. Because you have listed the problems (namely the problems, and not the lack of an industry as such, as we are trying to create a general mood) of only one industry - engine building. So it has always been an elite industry. High power gas turbines, for example, are made by only four countries. And Russia is now among them. The USSR did not, but Russia did. Is it a flaw or an advantage? The answer is obvious to the realist. wink

              So, if you still talk about 10 industries that are in decline, then you simply will not find them. Because everyone has already received significant development after the collapse of the 90s. Someone more, someone less, but everyone is developing. And even the machine tool industry. laughing
            2. LeonidL 7 January 2020 01: 11 New
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              By the way, non-volatile power plants were introduced and served on “lighters” in the years 60-70, the M-613 project doesn’t change memory ... A boat, considered to be a pilot, on which the crew was highly qualified, not a single conscript, sailed its life without a single accident . For almost everyone else, there are explosions and fires, and the cause is a fire with a low oxygen content (!!!) it seems up to 12 percent ... they found it after they remade everyone back into bad diesel engines. The problem is the noise of the diesel engine under water. The truth is now like it decided a new type of diesel. And about the turbines, components and other things ... where did the turbines in the USSR be made? In Ukraine. Where was the chip manufactured? In Kiev! Where were the radio electronics factories and research institutes? In Kharkov .... Until the Maidan struck in 2014, they did not begin to understand what its explosive "charm" was. T e countdown needs to be conducted since 2014. But the whining is not worth it - factories are being built and will be commissioned. Yes, and training begins after all now, not in the SPTU who have died in the Bose, but in technical colleges. Not as fast as under Stalin? Other times are different and the pace. The EP is far from the CPSU, more precisely, the CPSU (B.), Putin is not Stalin, the FSB is not the NKVD-KGB-GPU-VChK ... Therefore, it is simply not possible to turn everything “in Stalinist style”. Putin and Shoigu do the maximum possible out of the minimum possibilities .... The truth is that I don’t understand Dimochka-Ayfonchik and his colleagues. But here we already have what we have, there are no others yet.
            3. Vadim237 7 January 2020 14: 53 New
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              Diesel engines for the fleet, the new D 500 series in Kolomna 2021 will be put into production, and for diesel submarines non-volatile installations are under development. Power Machines are now creating new GT 65 and GT 170, Saturn has already tested the GTU 110M and is preparing for serial production according to the Superjet - they promise to make it completely from Russian components until 2024.
          2. Ingvar 72 6 January 2020 21: 49 New
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            Please list 10 industries where we are doing very poorly,

            Look around you at home, at work, and tell me honestly - what percentage of domestic products surrounds you? Open the site "All Instruments.ru", and look at the percentage of domestic tools. Open any website selling electronics and household appliances, and calculate the percentage of domestic goods. Your clothes are surely 99% imported.
            Civil aircraft industry in a cesspool, automotive industry in the same place, almost all imported machines, wheeled tractors except for row crops ALL imports.
            What brag about where your breakthroughs are? where can I feel them?
            1. Arkon 6 January 2020 21: 56 New
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              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Civil aircraft industry in a cesspool, automotive industry in the same place, almost all imported machines, wheeled tractors except for row crops ALL imports.


              Literally 6-7 countries have civil aircraft manufacturing in the world. And 10 years ago Russia was not among them, because the civil aircraft industry was destroyed. Now we have three to four aircraft models and our own latest engine. Is it collapse or development? Everything is clear to the realist. wink
              1. Ingvar 72 6 January 2020 22: 05 New
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                Now we have three to four aircraft models and our own latest engine.

                Have you flown a long time?
                Quote: Arkon
                And 10 years ago Russia was not among them

                30 years ago, we were among the top three civilian aircraft manufacturers.
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                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  30 years ago, we were among the top three civilian aircraft manufacturers.


                  AND? What do you want to say? And 150 years ago, Poland and Finland were Russia. So what?
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                    Quote: Arkon
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    30 years ago, we were among the top three civilian aircraft manufacturers.


                    AND? What do you want to say? And 150 years ago, Poland and Finland were Russia. So what?

                    You flew for a long time, I asked you? Have you seen at least one of the four aircraft models you mentioned? How many are there as a percentage of the rest of the civil park, and what is the pace of production? These are simple questions. As well as the question of the percentage of domestic things in your life. hi
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                      As well as the question of the percentage of domestic things in your life.

                      Here is your mother! Merry Christmas love And you better ask how many imported things I had in the USSR ?! 70-80 percent because we didn’t buy Soviet shit and galoshes. In five years I had an Indian denim suit and German cars. I started smoking with Marlboro and Yugoslav ronkhil. I can’t buy Hungarian Tokai, which you can’t buy for any money
                      1. Ingvar 72 7 January 2020 10: 01 New
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                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        And I started smoking with marlboro and Yugoslav ronkhil

                        Morshansky Metropolitan and Cosmos were very good. Yes, and the whole range of Bulgarian cigarettes. And I started smoking with Korean kuukols, the canary on the pack was painted. Rare rubbish.
                    2. Arkon 7 January 2020 09: 28 New
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                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      You flew for a long time, I asked you? Have you seen at least one of the four aircraft models you mentioned? How many are there as a percentage of the rest of the civil park, and what is the pace of production?


                      Well, i.e. your reference to 30 years earlier does not make sense. That is exactly what I wanted to say.
                      Now about what I flew on and what is in my everyday life.
                      Let's start with geopolitics. At the current moment of time, a world division of labor has developed, which did not exist before. This division of labor dictates the localization of different types of industries in different parts of the world. Home appliances, for the most part, are now being made in Asia. And this technique is in the homes of Americans, Germans, Australians and even Japanese. Well, Russian too. Those. the presence of a highly developed industry (and you, I hope, will not deny its presence in the countries I have listed - in fact, this is your pathos wink ), has nothing to do with the presence of Asian household appliances in the homes of citizens of these countries. Nevertheless, even in spite of such "household" bias, household appliances in my house are manufactured by the countries of the Customs Union. Namely: a gas stove and microwave - Deluxe (http://www.ppoevt.ru/), a refrigerator - Atlant. Yes, TVs, by the way, are Supra (Chinese components, of course, but they are assembled here, in Kaliningrad). You can also ask what I drive - I will answer you too. I have no secrets. laughing

                      Now about what I'm flying on. Well, here everything is clear to everyone, I think. In the zero years, our civilian aircraft industry was simply completely destroyed. Therefore, a foreign fleet was massively purchased. Now, when the domestic aircraft industry is reviving, there are more and more Russian planes, including thanks to state lobbying - they simply oblige companies to buy Russian equipment. And this is correct - this is the correct dictate of the state. From Russian, I flew a couple of times to Tu -214. I hope I still have to fly on Superjets and on MS.

                      Any person who does not want to see a common objective picture and cannot appreciate the real efforts made by the state to restore positions and enter the frontiers of our manufacturers is simply dumbbell and criticized.

                      Where does the VO site go down? Sorry for the truth. winked
                2. e-sam 6 January 2020 23: 24 New
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                  30 years ago, we were among the top three civilian aircraft manufacturers.

                  Nothing like this. The USSR generally never produced civilian aircraft. And he produced some strange aircraft. Which outside the USSR and its "friends" were not needed by anyone. These were "Soviet aircraft." They were very similar to real (and sometimes not similar), but they were not them, not real planes.
                  The first attempt to make a real plane was made already in the Russian Federation. This plane (this is a real one, not a “Soviet” one) is called the Superjet 100.
            2. LeonidL 7 January 2020 01: 15 New
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              Go to any American store from electronics to the cheapest consumer goods and try to find something "Made in the USA". Take it easy! Everything is either in China, or Taiwan, or Mexico ... The same is in cars. Engines - Mexico, parts Canada, etc ... the quality is appropriate. Because there are so many European, Korean, Japanese ....
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                Quote: LeonidL
                Go to any American store from electronics to the cheapest consumer goods and try to find something "Made in the USA".

                Those. from the fact that all iPhones do in China and on our inscription “Made in China”, are they (iPhones) not American anymore?
                But the Americans have all this “production”. Moved to third world countries.
                The same AMERICAN boards for computers are made in Taiwan with the inscription "made in Taiwan."
                Globalization is called.
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                  I’m talking about Kuzma - you’re talking about Yerema. Moreover, this answer is not for you. Look to the beginning!
              2. The popuas 7 January 2020 17: 17 New
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                The USA can afford ... after all, all of the above, Lenya ... is done on their equipment! Something like this Lenya smile
                1. LeonidL 8 January 2020 01: 12 New
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                  I didn’t graze goats and other animals, don’t poke ... I could stop there. Well, okay, do you say equipment? And at what plants? The state of US industry is about the same as in Russia in the 90s. This is the result of globalization. And what has been done is up to Clinton. Hardworking Chinese work manually on junk. And the new is all Chinese.
            3. Vadim237 7 January 2020 15: 07 New
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              Civil aircraft industry in a cesspool well, but only in a cesspool can they create a new PD 14 turbofan engine and its line of PDs 8, 10, 18 and powerful PD 35 automotive industry AvtoVAZ and Gaza buy well products and Aurus showed that Russia can do premium class , In Russia, 57 machine-tool factories and a dozen or two foreign ones with localization now have several cantors who are engaged in the modernization of Soviet machine tools, retrofit them with domestic CNCs, change drive bearings, etc., and sell them, and sell Which machine to buy, as well as in everything else, the last word for the buyer. In wheeled tractors, Rostselmash steers 19% of the world market and almost 70% of the domestic market also has Agromash, but it produces combines. A breakthrough will be when they launch it
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                Class. About "Sphere" did not know anything. Thanks for the information. good
              2. Ingvar 72 7 January 2020 18: 11 New
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                automotive industry AvtoVAZ products like Gaza buy well

                Funny you are Vadik. Let’s do this: you are selling me your apartment at a low price, I’ll make a repair in it and I will rent it to you. What a cool occasion you will have for pride - you will live in a newly renovated apartment! wassat
                I hope the analogies reach you.
                Quote: Vadim237
                In wheeled tractors, Rostselmash steers 19% of the world market and almost 70% of the domestic market also has Agromash, but it produces combines.

                Only row-crop tractors Vadik, only row-crop tractors. And Rostselmash steers in combines, and not in tractors. It would be nice to study the topic before screaming. In addition, the director of Rostselmash repeatedly poked power into his own feces. I recommend that you see his criticism of power on YouTube. And correctly explains everything.
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                  In my apartments, repairs have long been done at 5+, so I don’t need your services as guest workers' plasterers, and as for AvtoVAZ and Gaza, with foreign participation, they started making decent cars that sell well and are exported. And all of their previous guys showed that how much money they don’t swig out will produce a "Bucket with Bolts." They invited others and they did what was needed.
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                    Rostselmash this year in the Rostov region will begin to build a new tractor plant.
                    1. Ingvar 72 7 January 2020 21: 01 New
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                      Start - keywords. We’ll talk about the results. And then "Urya, Rostselmash steers on tractors"!
                      Regarding the buckets and the participation of foreigners, such as you will soon justify the insemination of Russian women by foreigners, otherwise they say they give birth to one poverty. negative
                      1. Vadim237 8 January 2020 00: 07 New
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                        "Regarding the buckets and the participation of foreigners - such as you will soon justify the insemination of Russian women by foreigners, otherwise they say they give birth to one poverty." Do not ascribe to me your phantasmagoric schiz.
          3. 75 Sergey 7 January 2020 01: 12 New
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            Bend:
            - all types of education, and especially technical, technological, physical-mathematical and chemical-biological;
            - machine tool industry;
            - instrument making;
            - shipbuilding;
            - mechanical engineering;
            - aviation and space industry;
            - Agriculture;
            - research institutes.
            Campaign everywhere.
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              And what with all this - you tell in details.
    3. Grits 6 January 2020 17: 41 New
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      Remember how in the days of the USSR you and many others like you were the first to shout that here we have no shops with goods, no entertainment centers, no shopping, no cafes, no restaurants ....

      Yes, they screamed. And that was also true. Because they were sorely lacking. But now there are so many of them! This is a complete bust, when every 50 meters a store with the same set of goods. There is a skew - there are thousands of times more sellers than manufacturers. Hence the question - otkel trader, then?
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        I agree with you on all points.
        Quote: Gritsa
        Hence the question - otkel trader, then?

        Have you heard anything about the resale of goods from one distribution network to another? Take an interest, and then we wonder why the same sausages in the Crossroads and the Ribbon are more expensive than in Magnet half.
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        Alexander! “But now there are so many of them!” - Doesn’t it seem to you that Russia lives under capitalism? What are no dispensers? What is normal competition? That's when the quality + price of Russian goods can compete with Chinese, then everything will be in chocolate. Not right away. Remember when they destroyed the industry at EBN, what was the urge? "Why do Russia produce bad? You drive us raw materials, and we muster what you need!" And so it was before Putin .... until Russia began to leave the state of the semi-colony. This is where it broke off - the second part of "we have a mustache for you!" stopped working. Therefore, you have to create this "mustache" anew.
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          Quote: LeonidL
          But doesn’t it seem to you that Russia lives under capitalism?

          Under capitalism?
          Nifiga myself, the news.
          Are you firmly convinced of this?
          What does capitalism know?
          Quote: LeonidL
          until Russia began to leave the state of the semi-colony.

          And where did she go from there, if not a secret?
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          That's when the quality + price of Russian goods can compete with Chinese, then everything will be in chocolate.

          So, chocolate will NEVER.
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            Are you a predictor? Wang? Nostradamus?
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        If you take the products - certainly not from abroad.
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      Quote: LeonidL
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      But we see mushrooming shops, shopping and entertainment centers everywhere.

      Remember how in the days of the USSR you and many others like you were the first to shout that here we have no shops with goods, no entertainment centers, no shopping centers, no cafes, no restaurants .... Russia is no longer the USSR and lives, thanks to You under capitalism. they chose it themselves, they tore the tickets and cursed komunyak ... Therefore, take everything calmly. What you have listed is private capital. But defense is a state affair as is the military-industrial complex. Do not be confused.

      The state is a mechanism serving the interests of the ruling class. Our rule is private capital. Therefore, the defense of our state is a matter of private capital (albeit at the expense of the other population). Do not be confused.
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        Well, this is your opinion, which clearly contradicts the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
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        Quote: Doliva63
        The state is a mechanism serving the interests of the ruling class.

        Yes, you forget the silly class theory of not quite adequate Marx. There are no classes, fiction is all.
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        Our rule is private capital.

        "With us," where is it, if not secret?
  • krops777 6 January 2020 06: 11 New
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    Speaking of "Zircon" and "Vanguard", which seem to be there and even showed them to someone ... Well, until released, while put on the service of the Motherland ...


    And the author doesn’t know that the Vanguards have already been put on combat duty. Hm.
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      "But the author doesn’t know that the Vanguards have already been put on combat duty."
      From Wiki -
      The United States has 6,185 nuclear warheads and 1,600 sources of delivery (from land, submarines, aircraft, etc.). If Avanagard is for protection, how many of them do Russia need? Will there be enough grandmas? If the Vanguard is for an attack, then how many of them are needed to suppress all Amer’s delivery sources? And non-Amer? Will there be enough grandmas?
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        Under the agreement, the United States has 1700 warheads on combat duty - where you got 6185 from is not at all clear.
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          Well done, found a source to save! It will take not 6.000 Vanguards, but only 1.700 !!! Hooray!! You even know what to save the money for !!!
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            And you know, with the adoption of the Vanguard for armaments from the production of conventional warheads, no one is going to refuse and was not going to.
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          Under the agreement, the United States has 1700 warheads on combat duty - where you got 6185 from is not at all clear.



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            Now, on a contract, the Minuteman’s ICBMs have one warhead each — 400 warheads on Trident, 2 to 3-4 warheads — and bombs and cruise missiles are not considered warheads. All parameters are met 1600 -1700 warheads in constant readiness in the United States.
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      Quote: krops777
      Speaking of "Zircon" and "Vanguard", which seem to be there and even showed them to someone ... Well, until released, while put on the service of the Motherland ...


      And the author doesn’t know that the Vanguards have already been put on combat duty. Hm.

      Have you seen them on alert? Do not offer links to the media.
  • Most kind 6 January 2020 06: 31 New
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    When correspondence students buy control and coursework, it’s fun, because they work at enterprises, but it’s annoying when the students do it because they know so little, they don’t even want to know, then they stick in it and there are overexposures , transporters, Poseidons, rockets, planes, tanks, in short fun. Until they begin to be sent to prison, little will change, and those tasks must be formed by the military, and not on the ground from the computer. games that are made in america. Soon, missiles will also be forgotten to be assembled, in short there are more optimizations, good and different.
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    Maybe stop vytyuhivat about their Sarmatians, petrels, poeydony, commercial clowns? The whole world is laughing at your squalor and lies. Admiral Kuznetsov fix it first.
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      Pan-heads are not the whole World, when none of the above arrives, there will be no laughing matter.
  • mark1 6 January 2020 06: 41 New
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    It is interesting to find out what kind of “bowl of knowledge” to which Roman is regularly applied? So much in this bowl everything is agitated ... oh-oh-oh-oh!
  • Dart2027 6 January 2020 07: 43 New
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    Another whining about the fact that "the boss is all gone, everything is gone." I directly remembered my childhood, then such articles from all sides directly fell into pieces.
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      Preparing for a power struggle is gaining momentum, fighting for fragile minds.
    2. 30143 6 January 2020 15: 02 New
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      By the way, why did they use the word Peremoga, and not Victory?
      If you move a little to the side ... behind a puddle, you will see that everyone who speaks Russian is greeted with hostility and begins to plot.
      I tried to understand why they do not like us? I even asked ... They answered.
      Like, you are not predictable, you are always fighting, sometimes with the outside world, then inside the country ...
      They fear us.
      The only thing when you show the Ukrainian passport is immediately changed. A smile even appears on the face. To the question, why now it swayed to the other side? The answer, first discouraged, like you are closer to us mentally! I thought for a long time, yes, and they are closer to us than the Russian Federation. We do not give up relatives, but they became distant.
      Unfortunately, over 25 years we have drifted so far that it’s even hard to imagine how it will be in the future. We have lost the habit of trusting in the state apparatus and in One, even the most radiant face. Ukrainians, starting with Yushchenko, understood this. I understand what will begin now, such as migrant workers across the Earth have left ... But this is also not bad, if a person is dissatisfied, he can take up and go to work on a rotational basis abroad, or he can completely move.
      And he will do the repair at the entrance, but he will twist the ZHKu.
      And ... land of the type will be captured by foreign adversaries. But is it not captured in the Russian Federation? Somewhere in the Far East?
      If interested, how else are we different, I can tell.
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        Quote: 30143
        If interested, how else are we different, I can tell.


        Well, you already told everything:
        Quote: 30143
        The answer, first discouraged, like you are closer to us mentally! I thought for a long time, yes, and they are closer to us than the Russian Federation.


        So we agree. The west is closer to you - you have been rushing there since the war. The diaspora of Ukrainians in the west is one of the largest. I have four Ukrainian colleagues. Three have long dug in overseas and from there they are trying to teach me how we "occupied" them. One was left to live in Dnepropetrovsk - and now, he just does not teach anyone anything. Because Russian is a man of spirit. The misfortune of Ukraine is that two peoples live in it: Russians and Westerners. Not “Ukrainians”, namely “Westerners”, because nothing actually “Ukrainian” exists. Or you are Russian, or you are non-Russian. Moreover, “non-Russians” can be many different, but the essence of all of you is the same. How many there are "Russians." Russian Tatars, Russian Bashkirs, Russian Dagestanis, Russian Bulgarians, Russian Syrians, even Russian Germans. The determining factor is precisely the attitude towards Russia.
        There is nothing to "explain" here. We have long understood everything. smile
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          Let’s admit, it’s a shame for us that Ukrainians turned to Russia for booty, but at the heart of the conflict is the division of everything that can be ruling elites, that in Ukraine, that in Russia they are both anti-people, only in Ukraine does it manage its people with the help of NLP (who I don’t like it, it can go abroad, but don’t raise a bucket at home), and in Russia they also try, but since people are smarter in Russia, it’s doubly offensive, because The West does not like those who do not share it with them, and we do not love them for the fact that they rob us, but for some reason they impose equal responsibility on the people of Russia, although the people of Russia also do not like the West, because there are similar rumors, amas spoiled by fair attitude, equality and self-sacrifice, our soul hurts looking at what is happening.
          We don’t want to leave, so let those who prevent us live wither away.
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            Let's admit, we are offended that the Ukrainians turned to Russia,


            It's a shame, of course. It was. Until we realized that they (part of them) are really strangers to us yet. Well, what about the offended facts? smile
            And about the "divide" ... There is no direct analogy with Ukraine. In Ukraine, all the same, and divided. But in Russia they didn’t have time. And now we have more than 70% of the property controlled by the state. And the profits from it go to the social network. This is just a fact. As well as with Ukraine. You can’t be offended by him. wink
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  • Klingon 6 January 2020 08: 08 New
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    . Everything is growing in our country, as Putin said.
    it sounds alarming ... either the cyst, the hemorrhoids, the communal debt, the price tag in the store every day, the tax on everything, just a tax, a tax tax, our ingenious government, allowed brushwood to be collected, so I almost banned to grow berries in the gardens ... but in time frightened, crossed out these lines from the prohibitions. here, and Orwell, and Radar and Nosov smoke.

    say brushwood allowed ?? it’s good that THEY, THERE, didn’t hear about the fact that in Germany you can’t put up tents in the woods and in general anywhere else, otherwise you would certainly be sober-minded on this subject wassat
  • Klingon 6 January 2020 08: 17 New
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    Especially annoying is any mention of the space industry, it’s direct and willing to run a slipper into a TV set as soon as the Rogozin physiognomy is shown ... they survived! As a kid, I rushed headlong to the telly, only hearing that Venus 13 landed, brought Salute 7 station, docked Mir, Energy-Buran flew, Buran landed automatically .. I looked and felt proud of my country
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      As a boy I rushed headlong to the telly

      Can you tell me how many launches were this year? Immediately, without a hint?
  • parusnik 6 January 2020 08: 17 New
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    From the Pacific Leopards article: A Broken Sword of an Empire Published at VO January 4, 2020:In 2014, the K-391 Bratsk and K-295 Samara were transported by the Dutch company on the TransShelf dock from the Far East to Severodvinsk by the Northern Sea Route.... During this time, has the situation changed? Dock ships have appeared or, God forbid, some kind of conflict, will we look for a foreign neutral contractor ...? and author comment:The TransShelf was built at the Värtsilä shipyard in Turku (Finland) for the Soviet Union. The trans-shelf became the property of the Dutch company Dockwise Shipping in 2004..... Of course, such Dutch vessels are needed ... In truth: Thunder of victory, give out ... We have everything ... Holland, now the Netherlands, officially, a member of NATO ... We will repulse the potential enemy .. laughing
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      By the way, yes .... A sobering article by Aristarchus. And as regards the sale (transfer) of this ship to the Dutch, this does not mean that there is no work for the ship, but that it is not able to service the equipment on its own.
  • 7,62h54 6 January 2020 08: 24 New
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    I’ve been to VO quite recently, and I don’t understand why they are trying to spit Roman under each article from head to toe?
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      This is himself. Incidentally, not the daughter of an officer?
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      I don’t understand why Roman is trying to spit from head to toe under each article?

      on salary ...
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      Quote: 7,62x54
      I’ve been to VO quite recently, and I don’t understand why they are trying to spit Roman under each article from head to toe?

      When he writes about technology, there is a reason.
      When he writes about the state of the country-economy, the Zaputinians are rushing.
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      I’ll explain a little, there are really sane people who are mistaken and shape public opinion (cyber war, mother ...), the latter are trying to form public opinion, this is NLP, brother.
  • New Year day 6 January 2020 08: 26 New
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    And give the freed up area for the construction of shopping centers and residential areas.

    Alyoshin, adviser to the president of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) for science and technology, together with Serdyukov, plan to liquidate the LII named after him for the expansion of the Zhukovsky airport, which they own and whose work does not pay off. Gromov, to transfer military subjects to Lukhovitsy and Akhtubinsk. The Ramenskoye airdrome will go to the Zhukovsky airport on a silver platter without any serious cost.
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      Quote: Silvestr
      And give the freed up area for the construction of shopping centers and residential areas.

      Alyoshin, adviser to the president of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) for science and technology, together with Serdyukov, plan to liquidate the LII named after him for the expansion of the Zhukovsky airport, which they own and whose work does not pay off. Gromov, to transfer military subjects to Lukhovitsy and Akhtubinsk. The Ramenskoye airdrome will go to the Zhukovsky airport on a silver platter without any serious cost.


      It's not about the airport, really. and in specialists.

      And how many specialists will go to Lukhovitsy?
      Is this rural backward urban-type settlement with a population of 25 thousand people?
      And what, what is the MIG in it?
      For the rural way is a rural way.

      And Akhtubinsk?

      the same shallow point of the world in the steppes with midges, dust, Kazakhs, the fish market, crowds of tourists, yellow snow.

      Which of the real specialists from Moscow will forever leave for Akhtubinsk or Lukhovitsy?
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        Which of the real specialists from Moscow will forever leave for Akhtubinsk or Lukhovitsy?

        The situation is idiotic - no one wants to leave for Moscow. But all the crowds are felled to Moscow. As a result, peripheral cities, provinces, and villages are emptying, and the remnants of production stop. If we cannot create conditions close to Moscow in the provinces, then we can certainly do the opposite. To create living conditions in Moscow is completely impossible. With horse prices for everything within Moscow. Crazy fines and heavy utilities. With the unthinkable low salary of workers and maintenance staff. So that every Muscovite would dream of fleeing to a village in Siberia and rejoice in the fact that he has a wooden house and a cow. And only bankers, businessmen and homeless people remained in Moscow.
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      Quote: Silvestr
      Alyoshin, adviser to the president of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) for science and technology, together with Serdyukov, plan to liquidate the LII named after him for the expansion of the Zhukovsky airport, which they own and whose work does not pay off. Gromov, to transfer military subjects to Lukhovitsy and Akhtubinsk. The Ramenskoye airdrome will go to the Zhukovsky airport on a silver platter without any serious cost.

      You lie FSE .. hi This is done to disperse potential targets for a strike ..
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      And where will they go to TsAGI - the last bastion of science and technology?
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        And where will they go to TsAGI - the last bastion of science and technology?

        And they’ll transfer to any Muhransk, say, there are more places for accommodation, a clean field, it is so huge ...
  • igorra 6 January 2020 08: 39 New
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    Something recently, Roman fell into pessimism, or Putin personally offended, or Navalny bit. There is a good saying - not everything is what it seems and naturally the former military man possesses ALL information, so as it is fashionable to say now, to throw some substance on the fan. Maybe you need to stop and at least think, but read the classics and memoirists.
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    It became known that the two largest Russian helicopter developers, the Mil and Kamov design bureaus, were decided by 2022 to be merged into a single structure - the National Center for Helicopter Engineering.

    All. They killed Kamov, de..ly. angry

    What is it, well, the Turks bought our air defense systems. Yes, that's right, they bought for money, not on credit, not barter for tangerines.

    on credit
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      All. They killed Kamov, de..ly.

      In YouTube there is a recent interview with the general designer of the company Kamov, who developed the Ka-50, Ka-52 and other helicopters of this company. There he answers questions about the coming unification with Mil. In short, his words can be expressed: our helicopter industry, which survived the dashing nineties, is expecting tough times with reductions in production facilities, working personnel, design bureaus, the line of helicopters manufactured, etc. I say, of course, categorically against this optimization, but I can not do anything about it, because These top managers enlisted the support of the country's leadership.
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        Quote: kjhg
        Quote: Professor
        All. They killed Kamov, de..ly.

        In YouTube there is a recent interview with the general designer of the company Kamov, who developed the Ka-50, Ka-52 and other helicopters of this company. There he answers questions about the coming unification with Mil. In short, his words can be expressed: our helicopter industry, which survived the dashing nineties, is expecting tough times with reductions in production facilities, working personnel, design bureaus, the line of helicopters manufactured, etc. I say, of course, categorically against this optimization, but I can not do anything about it, because These top managers enlisted the support of the country's leadership.

        Pets Kamov. It's a pity. Optimization, say? They are optimizing the whole country to the MKAD borders. Ugh, damn it.
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        Quote: kjhg
        Quote: Professor
        All. They killed Kamov, de..ly.

        In YouTube there is a recent interview with the general designer of the company Kamov, who developed the Ka-50, Ka-52 and other helicopters of this company. There he answers questions about the coming unification with Mil. In short, his words can be expressed: our helicopter industry, which survived the dashing nineties, is expecting tough times with reductions in production facilities, working personnel, design bureaus, the line of helicopters manufactured, etc. I say, of course, categorically against this optimization, but I can not do anything about it, because These top managers enlisted the support of the country's leadership.

  • Vitaly Tsymbal 6 January 2020 09: 00 New
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    Oh, dear Roman Skomorokhov !!!! Well, and how do you differ from the PR specialists criticized by you? Although it can be assumed that with your articles that “the mustache is gone”, you “put to sleep” the vigilance of our “probable partners”? !!! And in Ukrainian words - “overwhelm”, you emphasize that the Russian language, Russian culture, the Russian military spirit are degrading along with the Ministry of Defense and the military-industrial complex - although this, too, is probably done specifically to make it difficult to understand what you described? !!! But you, dear Roman, did not tell the "probable partners" (or maybe on purpose) about the "victory of the year" - the return of regular military personnel to the military commissariats. And with the mobilization of reserves and their distributions by specialties and units, we have the biggest “failure”. Finally, it began to reach the “supreme commanders” that it was not technology who was fighting in the war, but people .... It is a pity that many authors in VO do not understand this and “PR” equipment, and not people in uniform !!!! Although it’s clear that in the age of the Internet it’s easier to find out EVERYTHING (????) by going to someone else’s website and reprinting in Chinese style (slightly changing a copy) already written by someone and passing it off as your brilliant knowledge. But to come to a military unit to look at soldiers and officers, to see equipment in boxes - this is not for the geniuses of analytical journalism. And all the more remember, ABOUT THE MONKEY WITH A Pomegranate soldier
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  • Olgovich 6 January 2020 09: 11 New
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    “The receipt of more than 6,5 thousand units of new and modernized weapons allowed us to increase the share of modern models up to 68,2% and the level of equipment in the nuclear triad reached 82%. Previously existing models of equipment in all types and types of troops are successively replaced by modern ones. So, all the brigades of the Ground Forces completely rearm to the Iskander operational-tactical missile systems. ”


    Great performance. Especially in nuclear weapons.
    The state contract this year will be 98% completed, and the rest of the government contracts are usually closed in the first quarter of next year. This was announced by Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Alexei Krivoruchko.

    Good result!
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      The state contract this year will be fulfilled by 98%, and the rest of the state contracts, as a rule, are closed in the first quarter of next year. This was announced by Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Alexei Krivoruchko.

      You know Andrey, it’s good if that happens. But if you look around and count, then what is behind the reported figures, optimism disappears. Example - The Samara region on paper is gasified by 99,6%. In reality, only settlements with gasification are taken into account, and not the real percentage of gasified houses. The town of Mezhdurechensk is officially gasified, and the percentage of gasified houses does not exceed 20%. And these are not three houses with two old women. In Yagodny and Podstepka (a suburb of Tolyatti) the situation is slightly better, but many people have been waiting for gas for years.
      But how beautiful the numbers sound - 99,6%!
      So sorry for the pessimism, but the numbers are different numbers. hi
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        So sorry for the pessimism, but the numbers are different numbers

        those. put in one Iskander unit. the entire unit is called rearmament. But are there really Points U?
        So, in your opinion?
  • rocket757 6 January 2020 09: 12 New
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    Victory reports of officials, this is familiar ....
    Overwhelming criticism from the outside, this is our reality and is also familiar.
    I really want to feel that the country is developing in the right direction for the people and country. Here is a "strange" desire.
    Just to accumulate a mass of all weapons is not reasonable.
    Maintain the country's defenses at the proper level, and continue to work for the future .... this is not something to do more and more, it means that it is necessary to develop new systems, products that will provide an advantage in the future, level the advantage of an obvious adversary !
    The most important thing is to develop our own industry in all areas of production.
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      Crushing criticism - There is no crushing criticism in this article, but there is an empty, bubbly sur one day.
      1. rocket757 6 January 2020 17: 32 New
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        Crushing criticism - There is no crushing criticism in this article, but there is an empty, bubbly sur one day.

        Not the first and not the last.
        They write differently, BUT, there are reasons for such a point of view, so we look, read and draw conclusions based on many facts and sources.
        Better criticism with brute force than unreasonable reassurance, when far from everything is in order.
        Actually, no criticism interferes with working, doing one’s job normally.
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          “THERE are written differently, BUT, there are reasons for such a point of view, so we look, read and draw conclusions based on many facts” - What are the facts, they are not in the article. In addition to re-equipping Iskanders, the author did not really bring anything.
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            Are you going to draw conclusions based on this article alone?
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              I can only make one fact on this article - the author writes about what he does not know about.
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                But as confidently writes !!!
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        In this article there is no crushing criticism, but there is an empty, bubbly sur one day.

        Uh-huh.
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          Uh-huh.

          Do you want not working?
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      Quote: rocket757
      Victory reports of officials, this is familiar ....
      Overwhelming criticism from the outside, this is our reality and is also familiar.
      I really want to feel that the country is developing in the right direction for the people and country. Here is a "strange" desire.
      Just to accumulate a mass of all weapons is not reasonable.
      Maintain the country's defenses at the proper level, and continue to work for the future .... this is not something to do more and more, it means that it is necessary to develop new systems, products that will provide an advantage in the future, level the advantage of an obvious adversary !
      The most important thing is to develop our own industry in all areas of production.

      Can capstrana develop in the direction necessary for the people? laughing Have fun, thanks! drinks I stock up on beer and wait laughing
      1. rocket757 6 January 2020 19: 04 New
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        Can capstrana develop in the direction necessary for the people?

        Talk about the economy, not about the socio-political structure of the state.
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          Talking about the economy with those who nifig in this economy does not understand is a waste of time.
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  • Free wind 6 January 2020 09: 31 New
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    Come on, you swear at the author, over there on TV showed the World Cup final in youth hockey for 11 years, this sucks, and you're talking about weapons.
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    It is strange that such an article did not appear at least a year ago, "I promise to promise" this Putin’s know-how has been around for ten years now. Read what they said about the 2020 strategy in 2011. Neither the Navy, nor the astronautics, well, at least rockets, as Roman said, are able to do, and that’s not a fact how they will be in business, but some exhibition models and nonsense. Mobile in one word.
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      By the way, there was information that Putin’s promise for 11 years in YouTube was blocked .... repeat
  • Monster_Fat 6 January 2020 09: 40 New
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    And this is a common misfortune of those who rule Russia and run in it, instead of real affairs, some promises, such as: "they will be by the 20th ... the fifth year", "they will build ...", "they will do ...." , "planned ....", "getting ready ....." and others "for such a year .....". No, of course, something is nevertheless being done, but it is something that will bring profit and quickly pay off well, and naturally, PR projects, “drank” projects, “laundering” projects (the basis of the Russian “economy”). ...
    1. Monster_Fat 6 January 2020 10: 02 New
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      In fact, as far as I can tell, around 2018, the Russian government decided to completely abandon any attempts to create a competitive, high-tech economy based on 4 technological patterns and the latest scientific and technological achievements (considering this unrealistic for Russia in modern conditions) and focused on the "development" of only the primary sector of the economy and milking its people as a "second oil", shoving the "earned" in all sorts of "capsules". And the rest ... and the rest, as in that film with the words of the "hero" Mikhalkov: "... herself, herself, ... went, went ...."
    2. Vadim237 6 January 2020 16: 46 New
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      In the US, the same thing - plans, promises, etc., etc.
      1. Monster_Fat 6 January 2020 17: 38 New
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        Of course, in the USA it’s the same, and also, “The USA will collapse soon like their dollar” and also:
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          Quote: Monster_Fat
          and more

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          How much money has the United States spent on operations in Iraq and Afghanistan from 2001 to 2019 - trillions 5-6, and how much of this money was stolen?
  • Gardamir 6 January 2020 10: 16 New
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    I’ll get angry first. The editorial board of VO supports remnants and they now decided that everything is possible for them. I do not like the article, write with what I disagree, give examples of success. For example, many oligarchs have become richer compared to 2014. There is something to be proud of. And articles that by the twentieth year will be uhh weapons are pretty tired of it. Will or not, but you can be proud now.
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      Quote: Gardamir
      I do not like the article, write with what I disagree, give examples of success.

      Site "Made with us."
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        Quote: Dart2027
        Site "Made with us."

        There is such a site. But only in the old Soviet times they were proud of such achievements not on the scale of the whole country, but one of some kind of area.
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          Quote: Gritsa
          not proud of the whole country, but one of some area

          Oh really?
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      I do not like the article, write with what I disagree, give examples of success.

      It doesn’t work for Roma, they immediately delete comments .. (open the archives and understand everything.) hi Here you can only praise Roman .. wink
      1. Monster_Fat 6 January 2020 12: 43 New
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        “Made with us” —the PR project of the screwdriver and raw materials economy of the Russian leadership — created so that people with a microscope would not crawl through the expanses of Runet in search of “Russian-made” —Well, look! something is also being produced here! (so what, that “screwdriver”, primary processing of raw materials or for the extraction and export of raw materials is “production”!). While normal countries with normal economies print "Made in ....." on the "nameplates" of their products, such as "Made in China" ..... yes
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          Quote: Monster_Fat
          “Made with us” —the PR project of the screwdriver and raw materials economy of the Russian leadership — created so that people with a microscope would not crawl through the expanses of Runet in search of “Russian-made” —Well, look! something is also being produced here! (so what, that “screwdriver”, primary processing of raw materials or for the extraction and export of raw materials is “production”!). While normal countries with normal economies print "Made in ....." on the "nameplates" of their products, such as "Made in China" ..... yes

          You are too emotional! Cool, then maybe we'll talk .. hi
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            We have microscopes in our company, precision measuring equipment and precision machines with nameplates made in Switzerland. In the "Switzerland" Carl! Not in “Russia” like in “Schwab”, but in Switzerland! We are looking for that "Switzerland" on the map.
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              We are looking for that "Switzerland" on the map.

              Using a Swiss microscope? laughing
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                Schwabe produces microscopes - if you are not in the know.
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              We have microscopes in our company, precision measuring equipment and precision machines with nameplates made in Switzerland. In the "Switzerland" Carl! Not in “Russia” like in “Schwab”, but in Switzerland! We are looking for that "Switzerland" on the map.

              Is it in Schwab that they put such nameplates? In life, the defense plant was. I'm talking about OMZ them. Yalamova.
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                It is Schwabe that makes, like the rest of the medical equipment, binoculars, night-vision sights and thermal imagers - neither Switzerland is near. As a sample of PN11KM night vision binoculars
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              So Switzerland has always been one of the world centers of precision engineering, fifty and one hundred years ago.
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          You have screwdrivers in your head for a long time. Without raw materials and nichrome energy, nothing can be done in the modern world. "While normal countries" - They keep part of their production in China, Cambodia, Vietnam and Taiwan - the USA is a record holder in this regard and at the same time imports 1,5 more than it exports, what can I say - d .... s.
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          "Made with us" - a PR project of the screwdriver and raw materials economy of the Russian leadership - created in order to

          Lightly cool the ardor of all-moaning whiners.
  • vnord 6 January 2020 10: 48 New
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    -Grow ... GDP

    the most interesting thing is that the GDP indicator is not always correct .. in China, with their official number of workers, the population of the GDP should be higher than the Russian Federation by at least 8-9 times, and in the USA by 2-3 times ..
  • rruvim 6 January 2020 10: 53 New
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    With the general mood of the article, Roman parses this mood into points. Pretty convincing, because every item on the forum has been discussed more than once. To be honest and sober, the majority in our country do not understand what is happening. If you compare what is broadcast and shown on TV, and what happens in real life, and not in virtual, there is a huge difference. This also applies to enterprises of the military-industrial complex (on the topic) and just the ordinary life of the ordinary Russian people. Especially if you travel around the country, in the "outback". Any sane person will say: "that is already sick of the press conferences of the president or forums with the participation of the prime minister." Not just that they are bad people. No! Just sick ...
  • Klingon 6 January 2020 11: 06 New
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    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: Klingon
    As a boy I rushed headlong to the telly

    Can you tell me how many launches were this year? Immediately, without a hint?

    I can! 33- (promises!) Thirty-fourth will be launched soon lol
    but seriously, I don’t consider the work of the cab driver for something outstanding. And then so far it succeeds, because the USSR left a huge reserve, or else they would have jumped already from the mentioned trampoline to the Moon and there already by elevator to the surface
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      Quote: Klingon
      I can! 33- (promises!)

      22. Everything is successful.
      Quote: Klingon
      I don’t consider the work of a cab driver for something outstanding

      The cabman rides in a cart, although for all-trainees and space launches this is nothing.
      Quote: Klingon
      because the USSR left a huge reserve

      Yes, yes, yes, and all launched missiles stood in the warehouses and waited.
  • rruvim 6 January 2020 11: 12 New
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    I asked one poor fellow who watches a press conference with Putin every year and at the same time spits every time. "But don't look!" He replied quite convincingly: "Every time I wait for a miracle! Suddenly, on-air (with a delay of several minutes) will cancel the pension reform or introduce a progressive taxation scale, and we will be freed from working with penny wages from personal income tax." Of course, I understand him: the Russian people always expect the Miracle from the Tsar, as on January 9, 1905. Only the Tsar was not in place. If you travel all the time from the Kremlin to Rublevka and back along Kutuzovsky Prospekt "cleansed" from the townsfolk, and you get information about the situation from the current ROSSTAT and current FSB analysts, you will clearly become an optimist, over.
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  • Krasnoyarsk 6 January 2020 11: 29 New
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    Roman, are you a psychic? Have you learned to read minds? In any case, you read mine completely!
    Roman, I'm afraid of you !!! wassat
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      Roman, are you a psychic? Have you learned to read minds? In any case, you read mine completely!
      Roman, I'm afraid of you !!! wassat

      I, too, am afraid of him, and many .. hehe
  • Xenofont 6 January 2020 12: 38 New
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    To complete the "apocalyptic" picture, it should be noted that 75% of the cost of the S-400 contract is a Russian loan.
  • Andrey VOV 6 January 2020 12: 47 New
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    Roman, it feels like you were writing this article in a bad state of mind, let's say, with a headache ... You’d better think before you sit down to think how your mood will affect your material ...
  • Andrey VOV 6 January 2020 12: 49 New
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    Quote: Gardamir
    I’ll get angry first. The editorial board of VO supports remnants and they now decided that everything is possible for them. I do not like the article, write with what I disagree, give examples of success. For example, many oligarchs have become richer compared to 2014. There is something to be proud of. And articles that by the twentieth year will be uhh weapons are pretty tired of it. Will or not, but you can be proud now.

    Unfortunately, at all times and in almost all nations, the rich have become richer over the years ... with rare exceptions, although if someone has departed somewhere else has arrived, something like this
    1. 30143 6 January 2020 15: 12 New
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      But in Europe, they really built Socialism. And we have aggressive capitalism, plus church obscurantism ... So there is still a showdown in their midst in the form of tomosyatina.
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        In what Europe is socialism, stop flogging bullshit
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          You were there?
          I have been to some countries, so the attitude towards people is not like cattle!
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            It was more than once, traveled almost all countries except Britain, Iceland and Denmark, so I have an idea
        2. 30143 6 January 2020 15: 21 New
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          We sometimes laugh at their troubles for bike paths, as they hand over plastic bottles to vending machines ... We have at least begun to set up special containers for them.
          1. AU Ivanov. 6 January 2020 17: 45 New
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            Already stand. In St. Petersburg. For every yard in St. Petersburg I won’t say it, but in my and the neighboring one there are.
      2. Vadim237 6 January 2020 17: 03 New
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        In the country, several thousand churches fall apart for several decades and no one is going to restore them - so there is no church obscurantism. Nobody forces you to believe in God.
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          There is no flock that can pay. They have the main parish.
          I saw faith only in the eyes of a monk on Balaam. There really was a glow in the eyes, not just a sparkle! True, it was in the early 2000s
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          Quote: Vadim237
          In the country, several thousand churches fall apart for several decades and no one is going to restore them - so there is no church obscurantism. Nobody forces you to believe in God.





          1. Vadim237 6 January 2020 21: 45 New
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            38340 - and how many of this list are temples and not extensions or premises? The number of schools decreased in the 2000s. Naturally, the number of schools decreased, as there were fewer towns and villages, and if you have three students in your entire school, can this be called a school? With hospitals, the same reductions in the bulk in urban-type settlements.
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              if you have three students in the entire school, can you call this a school?

              And what if a dilapidated temple in a village of 5 yards? Can this be called a temple? For me personally, the restoration of the school, even for three students, is much more important than the construction of the next place for a hangover. If a person believes, then he does not need a church- "God is not in the temple, God is in the heart."
              38340 - and how many of this list are temples and not extensions or premises?

              Who cares ? Both serve there.
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                In this school, no one will work for three students, and knowledge and communication circle will be scarce now schools in cities are building for 500 students 1000 2000 and even 3000 fully equipped with everything necessary even more, and there the communication circle will be serious and relevant knowledge and from the hinterland people will continue to leave for urban-type settlements, small medium and large cities. Since there will be nothing more for people to do in rural areas when introducing new technologies in the agricultural sector.
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                  Since there will be nothing more for people to do in rural areas when introducing new technologies in the agricultural sector.

                  It remains to implement these technologies ...
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                    Hydroponics greenhouses as an example of modern SH technologies in Russia
                    there are already robotic combines and tractors, but their era will come a little later.
      3. Doliva63 6 January 2020 19: 00 New
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        But in Europe, they really built Socialism. And we have aggressive capitalism, plus church obscurantism ... So there is still a showdown in their midst in the form of tomosyatina.

        Socialism is not social handouts for workers, it is when workers own the means of production, if that. Many capitalists in Europe abandoned their factories in favor of the burghers? I don’t know a single one. And you?
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          Nevertheless, in Europe there is no such stratification of society, namely, officials do not receive hundreds of times more than the average worker, but only many times more.
  • Narak-zempo 6 January 2020 13: 26 New
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    Since we are not able to build ships of large tonnage, all these destroyers, cruisers, not to mention aircraft carriers, we need to build submarines

    Before the war, they had already burned themselves by stamping the "Baby" - the only type of ships that the industry could give with overfulfillment of the plan. Here and exceeded. And they were without minesweepers, for example. We thought that we would wage war against mines and submarines against the linear forces of the adversary, but it turned out that the Germans were also good at doing this.
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      We thought we would wage war against mines and submarines against the linear forces of the adversary

      It’s okay, they would have done it with a “head”, otherwise they would have thrown Black Sea mines and lost more ships on their own mines than the Germans, and even limited the freedom of maneuver of their fleet. And about the use of submarines, it's just .... below the baseboard. If not for Marinesco, then ....
      1. Oleg (Kharkov) 6 January 2020 17: 16 New
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        You are absolutely right.
        ... Only then will we learn to win when we are not afraid to admit our defeats and shortcomings, when we face the truth, even the saddest one. - V.I. Lenin
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          Lord, what are you talking about? What is this
          when we will not be afraid to admit our defeats and shortcomings, when we will face the truth, even the saddest one.
          ?
          Everywhere in Russia! in any company, in any place, groveling and fawning before the superior thrive! Moreover, the higher ones behave with subordinates, as with slaves, garbage under their feet, obliged to all of them (higher)! This is the trouble, in Russia everyone creeps in front of their bosses and does not tell them the truth, otherwise they will quickly become uncomfortable, objectionable and fly out of their places! A sweet, comfortable lie has permeated all aspects of life in Russia!
  • Brigadier 6 January 2020 13: 57 New
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    More cartoons. Good and different! wassat lol laughing tongue
  • Udav kaa 6 January 2020 15: 28 New
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    Ah Roman, who do you work for?
    Quickly rolled over .. And God will judge you hi
    I didn’t think that you would be so ....
    Question What are you doing?
    Do you want to bring "help" to OSCE volunteers in Russia already? he he
  • edsw 6 January 2020 15: 45 New
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    Hmm .. the author is "realist." As of now, I just look to be realistic on. They said on the TV set “everything is good”, I will say “everything is bad”, the audience “wow .. really cuts the uterus” and the defenders sing to him. Maybe you sometimes need to turn your head on and analyze information? I read to the words "Well, as for the first Su-57, more precisely, the T-50, since a Su-57 without a radar with an AFAR and an engine is somewhat not a Su-57" I don’t see any further reading, it says n 57 on su-036 from afar, if for some reason it is not installed there, I think the Ministry of Defense will necessarily report this information to the esteemed comrade Skoromokhov)))
  • Radikal 6 January 2020 15: 51 New
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    Even if they are found (and there’s no need to look for them) they have solutions — they are described long before us and are described in books. It’s too late. Nothing can be fixed — the mechanism completely rotted like a boshka in a herring. The fish rots from head to head fish and chopped off in the first place so that the carcass itself does not rot, and the fish’s head is dull, there’s no sense in it. And you can’t eat it, only the cat

    My cat Kuzya will not use a rotten head for anything - only fresh .... wassat hi
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      Don’t talk about Kota Kuzyu. The cat Kuzya does not think about food, he is athletically developed and goes in for sports all the time or develops his erudition:
  • Klingon 6 January 2020 16: 06 New
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    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: Klingon
    I can! 33- (promises!)

    22. Everything is successful.
    Quote: Klingon
    I don’t consider the work of a cab driver for something outstanding

    The cabman rides in a cart, although for all-trainees and space launches this is nothing.
    Quote: Klingon
    because the USSR left a huge reserve

    Yes, yes, yes, and all launched missiles stood in the warehouses and waited.

    out of 22, how many AMS were launched, to which objects, with what missions can you tell ah? The rover promised by Rogozin was launched, is there to build a base? here the Chinese launched and rides. The Israelis launched, though unsuccessfully. on happens. even the Indians launched! (the truth is also unsuccessful but a fact!) a disgrace (to us;) and Rogozin personally, and he is only capable of making promises, making impossible plans, renaming non-existent ships, and, yes, trolling the Mask, which is at least not smart and looks from the outside to put it mildly, not really. Which, by the way, was never done by Mask, he didn’t troll either Roskosmos or Rogozin, because Mask is a smart person and he doesn’t care about them (you think someone is showing up there), he is swimming in his own way and by the way is very successful. Well, alternating success, but still.
    1. Oleg (Kharkov) 6 January 2020 17: 13 New
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      Mars-96, Phobos-Grunt.
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        True, you forgot to mention that both of these programs were unsuccessful - the devices were lost
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          the devices were lost

          not just lost, Karl.
          "lost" - at least if they would have crashed past Mars or about Mars ...
          The devices could not be put into orbit. Just flopped back to the ground.
          A bit of history: AMC Moon 1. Exactly 61 years ago. On January 2, 1959, the Vostok-L launch vehicle was launched, which launched the Luna-1 AMS on the flight path to the moon. But missed. The device flew past the moon. Close, but by. For the first time in world history. But was lost. The mission is not fulfilled.
          Do not leave orbit at the end of 2011. (phobos-soil) - it's like a shame.
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      1. Klingon 6 January 2020 18: 53 New
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        and we don’t have a type? they simply saw the loot on an astonishing scale, but the Mask, although it had fraud, has a return. and we have a return is a concussion! literally! and nothing more! as soon as the Unions stop flying, we’ll sit in a puddle, since they are not capable of producing anything new except for yachts in terms of tonnage with a good destroyer. Well, skyscrapers in the form of rockets wassat
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          Quote: Klingon
          and we have a return is a concussion

          Like this article?
          Quote: Klingon
          as soon as the unions stop flying

          Well, the current unions and those that were 30 years ago are very different.
          Quote: Klingon
          as they’re not able to produce anything new

          Are you to yourself?
  • Radikal 6 January 2020 16: 07 New
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    By the way, minus for the whiners, or someone does not like that something is being built with us?

    So-so-so, tell me what is being built there? We will rejoice! wink
  • urfin juce 6 January 2020 16: 40 New
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    In the USSR there was "dizziness from success" in the construction of the Red Army, which ended in the summer of 1941.
    "Peppy reports" of the current military and paramilitary figures in the creation and putting on duty of weapons "which have no analogues in the world" are nothing but a dangerous fraud of hatred.
    1. Vadim237 6 January 2020 17: 26 New
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      Unlike the events of the 41st, now in 2019 Russia has not a small arsenal of nuclear weapons delivery vehicles, there will be no analogues of the 41st, and there is no one to attack, only cross-border conflicts similar to Ukrainian ones are the maximum that awaits us.
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        None of their children in Europe and the United States will throw nuclear weapons
        1. Vadim237 6 January 2020 21: 51 New
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          And these guys who have children in Europe will not ask anyone, the missile attack warning system as well as the automatic missile launch system - all the more so.
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            And these guys who have children in Europe will not ask anyone, the missile attack warning system as well as the automatic missile launch system - all the more so.

            If the system is automatic, then why is this officer always looming behind the president?

            The creators of the suitcase took this into account, and in Russia three suitcases currently control the nuclear potential. The first suitcase is with the president of the country, the second with the minister of defense, and the third with the chief of the General Staff. The launch of missiles will occur only if the signal in the Strategic Missile Forces comes from all three devices, and the correct code is entered on all three devices.

            It all depends on Himself ...
            1. Vadim237 7 January 2020 15: 51 New
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              An automatic launch option is provided - if the president and three nuclear suitcases do not respond to the system, after the fall of the first warheads, the system itself will launch missiles. Whoever shoots first will die second - and no kids, property with accounts abroad will prevent this.
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                So stop believing in all nonsense.
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                after the fall of the first warheads, the system itself will launch rockets.

                If after the falls the first will be something to run.
                1. Vadim237 7 January 2020 20: 05 New
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                  And in your parallel universe, all 360 ICBMs that are armed with the fall of several warheads will immediately fail?
      2. Stils 6 January 2020 23: 40 New
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        Unlike the events of the 41st, now in 2019 Russia has not a small arsenal of nuclear weapons delivery vehicles, there will be no analogues of the 41st, and there is no one to attack, only cross-border conflicts similar to Ukrainian ones are the maximum that awaits us.

        Are you sure that this arsenal is in a state that can deliver charges? Well, at least half? There are a lot of questions, judging by the facts. The warranty periods of old voivode and hundredths missiles are exceeded twice or even more, and the quality of new ones raises even greater questions if you bring them under a common denominator with missiles launching satellites, cargoes, astronauts into space. A missile is not a plane, not a destroyer, not a submarine, with the introduction of which there are big problems, but with missiles it seems like everything is fine, rearmament is going on, but how to check the performance? And in any way, just take a word, and it turns out to people who have already been deceived more than once.
        1. Dart2027 7 January 2020 06: 57 New
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          But how to check the performance

          The fact that regular firing is held is unknown to you?
          1. Stils 7 January 2020 10: 27 New
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            But how to check the performance

            The fact that regular firing is held is unknown to you?

            I brought an analogy to the situation with the launch of spacecraft, here it is not possible to hide the failures.
            1. Dart2027 7 January 2020 10: 35 New
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              I brought an analogy to the situation with the launch of spacecraft

              Oh really?
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              and with rockets everything seems to be all right, rearmament is under way, but how can I check performance? But just believe the word
              This is not an analogy, but the statement that the combat capability of missiles is not tested in any way.
              1. Stils 7 January 2020 12: 29 New
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                and the quality of new ones raises even greater questions if you bring them under a common denominator with rockets that launch satellites, cargoes, astronauts into space in something you are probably right, the analogy was about quality. Then answer me, when the satellite is put into orbit, does anyone check the quality of the Proton before launch? If so, why is he falling?
                1. Dart2027 7 January 2020 13: 02 New
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                  when a satellite is put into orbit, someone checks the quality of the Proton before launch

                  Can you imagine how it is stuffed with appliances? Before starting, it is impossible to check everything, simply because it is physically impossible to reach many.
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                  When was the last time the booster block crashed?
        2. Vadim237 7 January 2020 15: 58 New
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          You kind of blizzard carry "The quality of new missiles raises even more questions" -What is it? Do you work in a military office?
          1. Stils 7 January 2020 16: 15 New
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            You will count the number of unsuccessful launches of Proton since 2010, a rocket developed in the 60s and having gone through several modernizations and draw conclusions who builds them and launches them and with what qualifications
            1. Vadim237 7 January 2020 20: 10 New
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              Talk about ICBMs - not Protons. In almost all of Proton’s emergency launches, it’s not rockets, but acceleration blocks that are to blame. Because in Khrunichev and related offices they put a lot on quality. The military is very serious with this matter - it’ll put it either way.
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    exo 6 January 2020 17: 11 New
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    The only victory is leadership chatter. And tightening the screws so that information about the real state of affairs did not leak anywhere.
  • Oleg (Kharkov) 6 January 2020 17: 12 New
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    ... Only then will we learn to win when we are not afraid to admit our defeats and shortcomings, when we face the truth, even the saddest one.
    V.I. Lenin - Report of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee and Council of People's Commissars on December 23, 1921 "On the Internal and Foreign Policy of the Republic" at the IX All-Russian Congress of Soviets. - PSS, 5th ed., Vol. 44, p. 309.
    1. Udav kaa 6 January 2020 17: 20 New
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      Quote: Oleg (Kharkov)
      ... Only then will we learn to win when we are not afraid to admit our defeats and shortcomings, when we face the truth, even the saddest one.
      V.I. Lenin - Report of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee and Council of People's Commissars on December 23, 1921 "On the Internal and Foreign Policy of the Republic" at the IX All-Russian Congress of Soviets. - PSS, 5th ed., Vol. 44, p.

      Well, R. Skomorokhovs clearly do not reach the level of Lenin-Stalin!
      Let them write heh heh
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