“Putin now has the Vanguard: abroad, they comment on the adoption of the complex for arming the Armed Forces

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According to the largest (and not the largest) world media, information was received that in Russia the first regiment was put on combat duty, the main weapons which is an intercontinental ballistic missile with a Vanguard hypersonic unit. Appeared in the media in Europe, USA, India, China, Ukraine, etc. news materials in which the authors inform their readers that “Putin now has Vanguard.”

In the Indian media, it is stated that the first mention to the public about the “Vanguard” was made in 2018 from the lips of Vladimir Putin - and a year later these hypersonic missile systems appeared on the arsenal of the Russian Armed Forces. It is noted that the Russian army was the first in the world to receive such hypersonic weapons at its disposal.



It is additionally noted that in the West many of the statements of the Russian leader were not taken seriously, considering them a bluff. Now these people prefer to be silent.

Europe recalls the words of Vladimir Putin, in which he noted that the Soviet Union in terms of armaments was mainly catching up: "the United States was constantly trying to catch up, starting with the atomic bomb." Now, as the Russian president emphasized, the situation has changed dramatically:

Let them catch up with us now.

Experts in the United States regarded this statement by the Russian president as "a provocation to the arms race." Opponents of the immense inflation of the military budget in the United States, and there are some, say that Putin "consciously demonstrates steps in terms of the latest weapons to spur the US Congress to even greater spending." Moreover, it is stated that the larger the volume of the military budget, the greater the volume of corruption. An example is an attempt to conduct (for the first time in several decades) an audit at the Pentagon.

As a result, this attempt was unsuccessful, as the US Department of Defense stated that "many items of expenditure are not subject to audit due to the fact that they are classified." Critics of this approach have accused Pentagon officials of knowingly hiding information, believing that this is the extent of corruption. In this regard, one gets the impression that there will be those who would call the adoption of the hypersonic “Vanguard” in Russia “interference in the internal affairs of the United States” ...
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    1. -6
      27 December 2019 17: 06
      “Many expense items are not subject to audit due to the fact that they are classified”
      Normal practice, normal states. No one has canceled military secrets.
      1. +32
        27 December 2019 17: 11
        Let them catch up with us now.

        Now it’s clear why such harassment of Russia began at the end of the year on all fronts ... Well, gentlemen, build your own AUGs and yell about democracy! But Russia has its own path and we will protect it with OUR real weapons, despite all your sanctions!
        1. -13
          27 December 2019 17: 31
          Quote: Udav Kaa
          Let them catch up with us now.

          Now it’s clear why such harassment of Russia began at the end of the year on all fronts ... Well, gentlemen, build your own AUGs and yell about democracy! But Russia has its own path and we will protect it with OUR real weapons, despite all your sanctions!

          I ask you to change your "nickname" ... "Boa Kaa" is already occupied, and is highly respected.
          1. +5
            27 December 2019 17: 39
            Quote: MoJloT
            “Many expense items are not subject to audit due to the fact that they are classified”
            Normal practice, normal states. No one has canceled military secrets.


            There is no public audit, as without it ... it’s just not disclosed and that’s it.
            1. +7
              28 December 2019 06: 35
              Quote: cniza
              just not disclosed and all

              Well, there’s a dozen of billions, another for covert operations, but it’s almost one and a half trillion dollars. which the Pentagon cannot report on. This is what I understand cut. It is clear that over the decades, but still, the scale is impressive. It seems to me that everyone there knows everything perfectly well and without any audit, they just do not want to "wash dirty linen in public." The reputation of the states, as a universal model, has been greatly shaken lately, and they do not need another scandal.
          2. +2
            27 December 2019 17: 42
            I join the urgent request about Nick.
          3. +8
            27 December 2019 18: 12
            Quote: Aerodrome
            I ask you to change your "nickname" ... "Boa Kaa" is already occupied, and is highly respected

            It just so happened and not for you to teach me what and how I should do hi Am I disturbing you ?
            1. -7
              27 December 2019 18: 15
              Boa Kaa - just modify the avatar a bit hi You do not bother anyone, because you did not have time to write anything bad hi
              1. +17
                27 December 2019 19: 21
                Quote: Udav Kaa
                Quote: Aerodrome
                I ask you to change your "nickname" ... "Boa Kaa" is already occupied, and is highly respected

                It just so happened and not for you to teach me what and how I should do hi Am I disturbing you ?

                You do not bother anyone. If you are not a neoliberal or Ukrainian Troll welcome to the site drinks
                1. +3
                  28 December 2019 12: 32
                  Well, what a primitive labeling! Is the argument so weak (or the mind so lazy) that there is nothing left but the transition to the individual?
                2. 0
                  28 December 2019 18: 44
                  Rich, welcome Bro! soldier
            2. -1
              27 December 2019 18: 25
              Quote: Udav Kaa
              It just so happened and it’s not for you to teach me what and how I should do it. Am I bothering you?

              Well, here people are not ingenious, looked closely, no, not he drinks
        2. +12
          27 December 2019 17: 40
          Quote: Udav Kaa
          Let them catch up with us now.

          Now it’s clear why such harassment of Russia began at the end of the year on all fronts ... Well, gentlemen, build your own AUGs and yell about democracy! But Russia has its own path and we will protect it with OUR real weapons, despite all your sanctions!

          The baiting of Russia began in 2008 after Georgia, and on all fronts in 2014
          1. +1
            27 December 2019 17: 46
            That's right. Since the beginning of August 08.
          2. +4
            27 December 2019 20: 58
            Nope .. it all started in 1917 ..
            1. -15
              27 December 2019 21: 31
              Alexander Samsonov believes that the campaign of the hosts of the West against Russia
              began in the days of Hyperboreans-Aryans-Rus.
              Somewhere between their taming of mammoths and their destruction of dinosaurs.
              Even in those bygone days, the great-Masons-Anglo-Saxons-Vaticans began to pull
              its sweaty pens to the future oil reserves of Siberia.
              1. +7
                27 December 2019 22: 21
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Alexander Samsonov believes that the campaign of the hosts of the West against Russia
                began in the days of Hyperboreans-Aryans-Rus.
                Somewhere between their taming of mammoths and their destruction of dinosaurs.
                Even in those bygone days, the great-Masons-Anglo-Saxons-Vaticans began to pull
                its sweaty pens to the future oil reserves of Siberia.

                Feel better over obscurantists whom the fire from the bushes ordered the boys to cut genitals.
                1. +1
                  28 December 2019 12: 19
                  And who drove round the poles? (Some still continue) IMHO, various religious cults - childhood diseases of mankind.
              2. +10
                27 December 2019 22: 51
                voyka.hu, you remind me of my classmate Zelik, who tried to become either the headman, the Komsomol, or the CPSU. But when all his attempts were in vain, in view of the bright characteristic appearance, similar to your profile picture and lack of intelligence, in the mid-nineties he grew paisas and dumped him in Israel. And already from there, now in all social networks, as far as the education received in the USSR allows him to, he sophisticatedly, and sometimes not so much, tries to desecrate the land that gave life to his parents and him.
                1. +1
                  27 December 2019 23: 01
                  I treat Russians well.
                  And I laugh at the absurd false history of the ancient world. Not only
                  Russian.
                  Ancient Russia of the VIII-XIII centuries was a developed and respected state
                  of his time. There is no problem with this.
                  But it has nothing to do with Hyperboreans and Aryans.
                  Therefore, your claims are not to me, but to some articles by Alexander Samsonov on
                  historical branch of VO. hi
                  1. +7
                    27 December 2019 23: 23
                    Of course, of course, you treat Russians well, only with what edge of hyperboreas and arias the topic of the article relates. And your Jesuit methods of discussion are visible with the naked eye. A little bit more literate - you are visible through and through. Can you still tell me that you can’t eat and sleep from worries about the country that gave birth to you who fed and learned you? Do not tell the people present on the site.
                    1. -1
                      28 December 2019 02: 00
                      "Maybe you can also tell us that you cannot eat and sleep because of your worries
                      for the country, "////
                      ----
                      I worry about Israel, which I love and for which even
                      fought a little.
                      And I’m simply sympathetic towards Russia, as my people live in it
                      classmates, relatives, friends.
                      I hope your curiosity has satisfied, Mr. moralist. smile
                      1. +7
                        28 December 2019 11: 10
                        I didn’t ask you anything, I simply assumed that you were not saying what you were thinking. Your sympathy for Russia rushing from you, no matter what you say. No one is asking you to sympathize with Russia and there is no need to deceive even yourself.
                  2. -1
                    29 December 2019 11: 53
                    Ancient Russia VIII-XIII centuries

                    Ancient This is the 1st century, and the 18th century is not ancient. Then, in terms of development, Russia roughly corresponded to Europe, but for some reason, they went to accelerated industrial development and scientific and technological revolution, and feudalism began to lag behind.
                2. +1
                  27 December 2019 23: 30
                  We had such an "Abkhaz" by the name of Lifshits in our group ... The headman of the group made lists, asked his nationality .. We were surprised .. Lifshits and "Abkhaz" ... Basically a normal guy, but "Abkhaz". He was embarrassed .. to be a Jew ... ..
                  1. +9
                    27 December 2019 23: 51
                    I will tell you Yuri, this does not depend on nationality, but on what kind of person. I have a childhood friend, a Jew - Serega Furman, a bully, an excellent student, could stand up for himself and for a friend, became a cool drill master, lived like a torch, was not shy about his nationality, because no one had any questions for him. He died saving people; his colleagues brought him to his native village for six thousand kilometers. We, classmates and friends all gathered, because in his notebook we were all recorded with phones and addresses.
                    1. +4
                      28 December 2019 13: 20
                      Quote: cherkas.oe
                      I will tell you Yuri, this does not depend on nationality, but on what kind of person.

                      I’m talking about that. There is one decent nationality ... I think the concept is not worth deciphering ... Although many do not understand this definition.
                    2. +1
                      28 December 2019 16: 35
                      Politicians divide us by nationality. Everyone wants to be a prince in his little kingdom.
              3. +3
                28 December 2019 04: 07
                voyaka uh (Alexey)
                The first mentions that have survived to this day about the desire to clean up Siberian reserves by the Great Masons, Anglo-Saxo-Vaticans, refer to Ivan the Terrible.
                Regarding Hyperborean-Aryan-Rus, well, look at the video in Sanskrit smile and everything will become clear.
                But with the Mammoths, maybe in Siberia in bulk, the Dinosaurs also find throughout Russia.
                Have you found a lot in Israel ??? Imagine that your distant descendants will laugh with the words "These primitive Jews tamed cows"
                I’m not scoffing-understand correctly -BUT the official history of Russia is complete nonsense. (I'm talking about gray-haired antiquity which can only be judged by excavations)
                1. 0
                  28 December 2019 04: 50
                  Quote: Guru
                  I'm not kidding - get it right -BUT the official history of Russia is complete nonsense.(I'm talking about hoary antiquity which can only be judged by excavations)

                  What exactly is nonsense?
                2. 0
                  28 December 2019 14: 48
                  "Have you found a lot of things in Israel ??? Imagine that your distant descendants will be laughed at with the words" These primitive Jews tamed cows "////
                  ----
                  It's funny to me too! laughing We didn’t even manage to tame cows,
                  only sheep and goats.
                  And even then, not Jews (Jews are a young people, only 4 thousand years old), but peoples,
                  living in the Middle East in the Bronze Age. Their names have not been preserved.
                  And the tribe of Jews (the tribe of Abraham) came from Iraq (from the city of Ur),
                  about 4 thousand years ago and grazing sheep and goats primitively in Judea.
                  Pyramids to build, as the Egyptians did not know how. The villages are houses in one room and pantry.
                  Peasant was a Jewish people ... sad
                  Where are we to mammoths-hyperboreas! fellow
                3. 0
                  29 December 2019 12: 15
                  BUT the official history of Russia is complete nonsense

                  You cross out the titanic work of thousands of archaeologists and historians around the world who have worked for several generations, dedicated life to work, and compiled fact libraries. Really all these researchers, scientists and archaeologists have generated nonsense? Something is doubtful.
                  If you put on the scales the titanic work and the opinion of lonely ignoramuses, then the official version will be most correct, and loneliness will be for loners of alternative people. Because officials use the scientific approach, the most ingenious method invented by mankind, unlike alternative ignoramuses, all that is written by them, is bullshit.
                  1. 0
                    31 December 2019 07: 08
                    You cross out the titanic work of thousands of archaeologists

                    And what did they dig up? The answer is simple - NOTHING that could go against the version of Christians.
                    and historians from all over the world who have worked for several generations, have dedicated life to work, have compiled fact libraries.
                    What are the facts? Those who say that before the Christians all Rusichi worked the land with a digger with a stick, and were just a Beast, as Patriarch Kirill said.
                    Really all these researchers, scientists and archaeologists generated nonsense

                    Alas, delirium and nothing else. For example, now they are generating nonsense about the fact that America defeated the Second World War and the Soviet Union later turned out to be so-so. (Do you want more facts of generating delirium?)
                    The Russian world is much older than you would like.
                    Although I will not hide the fact that they tried hard, at first the Christians, and then the Petrine historians. To destroy all traces of the Great Civilization.
              4. 0
                28 December 2019 14: 24
                And what prevents them from pulling now? Is Vanguard really?
            2. +1
              28 December 2019 06: 03
              Quote: Svetlana
              Nope .. it all started in 1917 ..

              Nah, it all started in 1812
              1. -1
                28 December 2019 06: 16
                Quote: 1976AG
                Nah, it all started in 1812

                In 1612 ...
                1. 0
                  28 December 2019 16: 45
                  All wrong. It began with the following. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God .... and then everything else, and what and how it was in history, we will not know, because each subsequent ruler changes the past to his present.
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        4. -20
          27 December 2019 21: 15
          “Let them now catch up with us!”
          And running ahead you improved yourself / family what? Sleep well? So after all, the salary has not increased, you still have to pay the bills, what a dream! Improved self / family health? Does not look like it! Prices lowered? So they, according to the law of the military genre, must increase! So what did you achieve / get in return?
          By the way, on the next branch, where they discuss the article
          “The launch of the Nord Stream was carried for a year (end 2020)”
          https://lenta.ru/comments/news/2019/12/27/nord/
          There is a very interesting comment by one reader:
          “We already have all kinds of vanguards and Poseidons. Can't they lay pipes with the swings? ”
        5. 0
          28 December 2019 16: 39
          Generals and lobbyists rub their hands with joy. There is reason to ask for money for weapons.
      2. +2
        27 December 2019 17: 21
        Quote: MoJloT
        Normal practice, normal states. No one has canceled military secrets.

        Everything is so, only the whole point is that this does not give a reason not to carry out cost accounting and the audit in general! When bureaucrats point out to auditors that it is impossible to audit a certain amount allocated for something secret, the question is in the sum itself, but when bureaucrats do not want to allow control in principle, this is nonsense! I can imagine how many babos they saw there! smile
        1. -1
          27 December 2019 17: 33
          bureaucrats do not want to allow control in principle, this is nonsense!
          It seems that not everything is at stake.
          “Many expense items are not subject to audit due to the fact that they are classified”
          1. +4
            27 December 2019 18: 39
            Secrecy, in market conditions, is a very relative concept.
            All enterprises, including super secret ones, submit tax reports.
            And there is an article there - payment for services of third-party organizations.
            Not all transactions go through the Treasury. Many go through simple banks.
            Suppose a company is subcontracting a state-owned enterprise.
            He will receive money for materials, equipment or services under the guise of a regular payment.
            Bank secrecy is from the category of unscientific fiction.
            All transactions can be decoded by the developers of Windows, or other third-party organizations.
            Because bookmarks to the hardware have not been canceled.
            And a bunch of tails, for which if a specialist pulls, then everything will fall out.
            So, we can’t check the expenditure of our funds, and the adversary knows for sure who, how much and when, and most importantly - for what is listed.
            It is very fast, I whip up.
            And if you sit, think, then you can still find ways.
            Do not want to strain and think.
            Friday, New Year's Eve.
      3. +2
        27 December 2019 21: 44
        Quote: MoJloT
        “Many expense items are not subject to audit due to the fact that they are classified”
        Normal practice, normal states. No one has canceled military secrets.

        No dear, the answer is not correct. The state is a monopoly in ensuring its sovereignty, and therefore it is also the main customer and, accordingly, picky controller of how his money is spent to ensure his own security. Another thing is that, regardless of nationality and state affiliation in the world, there are enough cunning officials who are ready to cover up their unseemly activity of stealing budget funds with a secret regime.
      4. +1
        27 December 2019 22: 24
        only one moment, even with these audit programs, a billion bucks could not be found
      5. 0
        28 December 2019 08: 44
        Of course, the biggest secret that is not subject to audit: Tram is not Trump, but Putin dressed as Trump. Sorry for betraying military secrets, but it’s locked. I did not receive money for this. Although, they could have thrown away from stolen billions even with a millionaire for such a secret.
        Now, let them now understand and conduct the audit.
      6. 0
        28 December 2019 14: 05
        Normal practice, normal states. No one has canceled military secrets.

        This is not a normal practice. For these purposes, in the Russian Federation there is the Accounts Chamber, KRU AP, and auditors of the Moscow Region. Employees have access to state secrets.
    2. +3
      27 December 2019 17: 10
      Moreover, it is stated that the larger the volume of the military budget, the greater the volume of corruption.

      Golden words, and in other matters, both here and they all love money.
    3. +4
      27 December 2019 17: 11
      Someone can clearly explain how the Vanguard differs from the warheads of the same Poplar or Mace? And then already from every iron sounds about hypersound, and yet any ballistic missile is hypersonic in essence.
      1. +4
        27 December 2019 17: 16
        how the Vanguard differs from the warheads of the same Poplar

        The trick is in the speed and delivery method of these warheads. It all comes down to the fact that the enemy's missile defense is powerless against the "Vanguard".
        1. -8
          27 December 2019 17: 22
          A ballistic missile flies in near space, then warheads fall on the target. Naturally, in the atmosphere they are inhibited and there can be no talk of any hypersound from the point of view of physics. Therefore, I wonder if this is not a figure of speech.
          1. +8
            27 December 2019 18: 02
            Robertophysicist — now calculate the trojectory of the entry of the warhead into the dense layers of the atmosphere, different from the ballistic one, with minimal loss of speed, and kinematic energy accumulated by the maneuvering unit during its acceleration at the time of launch of the carrier (ICBM), and before the unit is separated from the carrier! This will answer your question about hypersound. ...
            1. +1
              28 December 2019 03: 30
              kinematic energy accumulated by the maneuvering unit during its acceleration at the time of launch of the carrier (ICBM)

              the fact is that the kinetic energy accumulated after the start of the carrier turns into potential with increasing height, while the speed decreases sharply when it reaches the highest point.
              Then, with a decrease, the speed increases again, but after getting into the atmosphere due to air resistance, the speed starts to decrease again
              hi
          2. +4
            28 December 2019 00: 25
            Quote: Robertocalos
            Naturally, in the atmosphere they are inhibited and there can be no talk of any hypersound from the point of view of physics.

            It is unlikely that now anyone will say what is the highlight ... Physics ... There is a simple torpedo, and there is a "Shkval" - there and there physics ... only speeds ... maybe here, another environment, another idea, but who will say about it ...
            1. +1
              28 December 2019 01: 36
              There are no questions to the Flurry, everything is clear there.
          3. +1
            28 December 2019 17: 09
            Do you think ???, the dense layers of the atmosphere begin for 100 km, the ICBM flies at a speed of 6 km sec, that is, it needs 17 sec to slow down to zero, that is, about the earth, in fact it does not slow down at all, not air friction heats the object entering into the atmosphere, and what kind of process can this be learned if physics is considered not from the point of view of physics of its level, but as a science explaining these processes as a whole. The avant-garde from the point of view of hypersound is generally not new, any ICBM does this, which is why ICBMs it’s almost impossible to shoot down, any, both the Russian Federation and the USA, if the current at the start or in space, maneuvering the warhead only enhances its penetrating power against missile defense, plus it says that there is technology that allows you to control a projectile in hyper sound, which is good for creating missile defense the country that possesses this technology.
        2. -4
          27 December 2019 20: 44
          Quote: private person
          how the Vanguard differs from the warheads of the same Poplar

          The trick is in the speed and delivery method of these warheads. It all comes down to the fact that the enemy's missile defense is powerless against the "Vanguard".

          What is your evidence?
          1. 0
            27 December 2019 21: 24
            What is your evidence?

            Personally, I don’t want to prove anything, BUT I can advise you to turn directly to GDP, he will tell you something.
        3. -1
          29 December 2019 19: 19
          And what, before the adversaries were able to shoot down all missiles or warheads?
        4. -1
          29 December 2019 19: 20
          And what, before the adversaries were able to shoot down all missiles or warheads?
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      2. +5
        27 December 2019 17: 27
        One thing a warhead falls, albeit with great speed, but along a predictable ballistic trajectory, another thing - it also maneuvers.
        1. -4
          27 December 2019 17: 30
          That is, there is a rocket engine on the warhead? Does maneuvering actually go over the target? Then about hypersound it is not clear where it comes from?
          1. +6
            27 December 2019 17: 40
            Details about the Vanguard will not very soon be in the public domain.
            1. -2
              27 December 2019 17: 55
              This is without a doubt about open access. But the principle of movement is not a military secret. It's hard to argue with physics.
          2. +1
            27 December 2019 18: 17
            Robertophysicist -you just ask, or veiled-thin spy? ?? wassat
            1. -1
              27 December 2019 18: 20
              It is hardly necessary to spy on this site) I want to find out if a duck was slipped to us under the guise of a child prodigy.
      3. -8
        27 December 2019 17: 33
        Quote: Robertocalos
        Someone can clearly explain how the Vanguard differs from the warheads of the same Poplar or Mace? And then already from every iron sounds about hypersound, and yet any ballistic missile is essentially hypersonic

        Lately, SUCH questions have begun to pour in from "gray avatars", apparently with the aim of scribbling itnfu
        1. +3
          27 December 2019 17: 38
          Such a question is asked by any technically savvy person. The principles of jet propulsion are not military secrets; they are simple physics.
          1. -9
            27 December 2019 17: 40
            Quote: Robertocalos
            Such a question is asked by any technically savvy person. The principles of jet propulsion are not military secrets; they are simple physics.

            so go and learn physics ... tongue
            1. +3
              27 December 2019 17: 43
              Thanks for the advice, I’m a physicist in my first education.
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              2. -4
                27 December 2019 19: 21
                Quote: Robertocalos
                Thanks for the advice, I’m a physicist in my first education.

                And the second shpien?
                Okay ... this is just a joke. Now is the time, to suspect everyone around.)
          2. +1
            27 December 2019 17: 46
            laughing Oh oh Technically savvy answers to such questions are given along with the horseshoes. But for the troll, such questions are very characteristic. hi
            1. 0
              27 December 2019 17: 53
              There are also smart specialists on this site. And, I believe that there are more of them than trolls and fans to speculate about "has no analogues." And it doesn't take much mind to repeat the journalistic clichés "hypersound-hypersound" like an ass.
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                1. -2
                  27 December 2019 18: 10
                  "We have such devices, but we will not tell you about them")) and vice versa with hypersound.
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          3. +4
            28 December 2019 01: 12
            From open data, the Vanguard flies in the upper layers of the stratosphere, without space exit. The main point is sliding, and if there are even weak aerodynamic forces, it is possible to perform maneuvers without the use of rocket engines. And it’s very good that nobody knows how our people got it. And one more thing, the lower the trajectory the less the flight time and the distance traveled.
      4. +4
        27 December 2019 17: 35
        Quote: Robertocalos
        Someone can clearly explain how the Vanguard differs from the warheads of the same Poplar or Mace? And then already from every iron sounds about hypersound, and yet any ballistic missile is hypersonic in essence.

        Vanguard will reach Washington in 15 minutes.
        1. +2
          27 December 2019 17: 42
          Quote: dorz
          Vanguard will reach Washington in 15 minutes.

          Will Robertocalos have time for refuge?
          1. +2
            27 December 2019 17: 49
            Quote: Aerodrome
            Quote: dorz
            Vanguard will reach Washington in 15 minutes.

            Will Robertocalos have time for refuge?

            “We will all die someday, and some will die.”
            The poet Mechislav Shargan.
          2. 0
            27 December 2019 18: 56
            Who will let them go there? This vassals are consumables. laughing
          3. -4
            27 December 2019 22: 14
            Have time together. There is just under Kuev.
        2. 0
          27 December 2019 17: 49
          And the mace for the same time.
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        4. -4
          27 December 2019 20: 01
          What is the fact that he will fly in 15 minutes? Are you not familiar with the term “mutual assured destruction”? Stop writing nonsense, not fools here ...
      5. +4
        27 December 2019 17: 40
        Quote: Robertocalos
        Someone can clearly explain how the Vanguard differs from the warheads of the same Poplar or Mace?

        The disclosure of state or military secrets is punishable by law, however, like espionage lol
        1. -5
          27 December 2019 17: 47
          Suspicions that "hypersound" is just a buzzword are very real. Apparently, gas engines were inserted into the warhead, which can work for a few seconds and correct the trajectory. And the block falls under the influence of gravity, that is, approximately Mach 4.
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            1. -9
              27 December 2019 18: 18
              If I am right, then the Vanguard cannot be a miracle weapon. At launch and in space, he is vulnerable to the Standards. And only in the final phase of the flight can it complicate targeting the warhead. That is, in essence, an "improved Mace".
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              2. D16
                +4
                27 December 2019 19: 28
                At launch and in space, it is vulnerable to Standards.

                Excuse me, are you going to launch standards from our territory? There, after all, 100-150 km up and north and that's it. OUT has ended. And then everything.
                1. -7
                  27 December 2019 19: 32
                  Standards from Berkov are planned to be launched. In orbit, an ICBM can be intercepted.
                  1. D16
                    +9
                    27 December 2019 19: 43
                    Burki will be far from the silos. So with the start of a bummer. For space utopia in general. There, the blocks fly with a group of comrades. Determine which of them is who. It is one thing to gasp for them with an atomic bomb, another is a kinetic interceptor. But there’s no bomb. laughing And the main question: "How many APs from ICBMs were shot down by SM-3 during the tests?"
                    1. -1
                      27 December 2019 19: 50
                      Not one, if not confused. But the satellite was shot down, so a theoretical possibility exists. Another thing is that there is no 100% protection against ICBMs, a fact recognized.
                      1. D16
                        +2
                        27 December 2019 20: 18
                        Pfff ..... wassat ! 00% noah? 1% no. What are you speaking about? I'm talking about amers, if that laughing .
                        1. -4
                          27 December 2019 20: 28
                          I that Americans learned to remove satellites from orbit.
                        2. D16
                          +2
                          27 December 2019 21: 42
                          We learned this in the 70s.
                        3. +2
                          27 December 2019 22: 21
                          I that Americans learned to remove satellites from orbit.

                          We learned how to shoot down static satellites with an easily calculated trajectory.
                          Did they learn how to maneuver with overload under 60G blocks? ))))
                        4. -3
                          27 December 2019 23: 00
                          I’m talking about orbital. I’m explaining the flight .. there are no maneuvers and the trajectory is in the palm of your hand. .
                        5. +4
                          28 December 2019 01: 38
                          I’m talking about orbital. I’m explaining the flight .. there are no maneuvers and the trajectory is in the palm of your hand. .

                          Yes, it does not appear in space, everything is within the atmosphere)))
                          The GPB of the Avangard complex is launched by an upgraded 15A35 rocket (UR-100 N UTTKh) to an altitude of about 80 km, after which it plans to descend to an altitude of about 60 km on a short flight segment. in sufficiently dense layers of the atmosphere at a distance of about 60 km at speeds from 10000 to 18 Mach. The final dive section is as short as possible and is about 22 km. The angle of incidence on the target can be calculated by itself. During the flight, the unit can make up to 100 lateral maneuvers, bypassing all areas of possible interception "
                        6. 0
                          28 December 2019 01: 54
                          That is, at 80 km the block is separated from the rocket and then it flies without engines? 10 thousand km. Yes, and at Mach 22? Performing horizontal maneuvers?)
                        7. +1
                          28 December 2019 20: 10
                          That is, at 80 km the block is separated from the rocket and then it flies without engines? 10 thousand km. Yes, and at Mach 22? Performing horizontal maneuvers?)

                          And you do not need to know more. .
                        8. -1
                          28 December 2019 21: 33
                          It is clear even to a graduate of 8 classes that this cannot be.
                        9. +2
                          28 December 2019 22: 08
                          It is clear even to a graduate of 8 classes that this cannot be.

                          (Yawning) Flies after all .....
                          But you can continue to amuse yourself with the thought that these are cartoons ....
                        10. -2
                          28 December 2019 23: 13
                          Quote: lucul
                          It is clear even to a graduate of 8 classes that this cannot be.

                          (Yawning) Flies after all .....
                          But you can continue to amuse yourself with the thought that these are cartoons ....

                          Specifically, such a flight profile is not feasible. It is impossible to fly several thousand kilometers at an altitude of 60 km without an engine. So do not whistle, you just do not understand the basic principles of movement in the air. Instead of chewing, I recommend reading school textbooks.
                        11. 0
                          29 December 2019 12: 26
                          So do not whistle, you just do not understand the basic principles of movement in the air. Instead of chewing, I recommend reading school textbooks.

                          (Yawning) So it flies after all ....
                          Maybe someone just read the wrong school books ...
                        12. -2
                          29 December 2019 14: 41
                          I understood. You are one of those who believe in newspapers. Continue, I will not interfere)
                        13. +1
                          29 December 2019 14: 51
                          I understood. You are one of those who believe in newspapers.

                          I understand that you are one of those who do not believe their eyes .....
                          In Russian aircraft engines, the combustion temperature is more than 3000 g Celsius, but they work and do not burn ....
              3. -1
                27 December 2019 22: 16

                Apparently, gas engines were inserted into the warhead, which can work for several seconds and correct the trajectory.

                All wrong.
                Hypersonic engines were inserted into a known part of Svidomo skakuas.
                And the latter is known to be able to dig out the Black Sea, having where necessary the appropriate wick.
              4. 0
                27 December 2019 22: 19
                If I am right, then the Vanguard cannot be a miracle weapon. At launch and in space, he is vulnerable to the Standards. And only in the final phase of the flight can it complicate targeting the warhead. That is, in essence, an "improved Mace".

                Aha-ahah ....
                Standards still need to catch up with him at the start - this is the time, even if the Standards can catch him - these Standards can be brought down - these are two.
                Well, three - in the final section you do not have the means to bring him down))))
                1. +2
                  27 December 2019 22: 34
                  1) how will you intercept them "at the start" if all positional areas are at least 1 km away from the coast, 000) interception in space is possible provided that you have been informed about the launch and the route in advance, otherwise it is unlikely to intercept them, and if there is still electronic warfare include ...
              5. +1
                28 December 2019 17: 18
                howitzer coalition essentially improved squeak, but the result .....
          2. +3
            27 December 2019 18: 24
            Quote: Robertocalos
            Apparently, gas engines were inserted into the warhead, which can work for several seconds and correct the trajectory.

            It is possible that the design of the block itself allows you to change the orientation of the surface during the flight, and this in itself will lead to maneuvering, just as a flat stone thrown onto the surface of the water can ricochet in different directions, observing the general direction of movement.
            And additional engines will correct the accuracy of getting the warhead, and compensate for the loss of speed when moving in a denser environment than in space above 100 km.
            But the main problem is not even this, but how to avoid overheating when driving at such speeds in the dense layers of the atmosphere. As the saying goes, "this is not a Newton binomial ...."
            1. -6
              27 December 2019 18: 44
              Thermal protection is the first question. Aiming is the second.
              And where does the "hypersound" come from, that is, 2-3 km / s in the atmospheric section - the third.
              1. D16
                +2
                27 December 2019 20: 03
                You are like a child, by golly. laughing Atmospheric plot is a relative concept. The land has one, but another 60 km.
            2. -15
              27 December 2019 18: 50
              Thanks to hypersound, this block in the atmosphere will burn out before meeting its intended purpose.
              1. +4
                27 December 2019 19: 35
                Quote: gunnerminer
                Thanks to hypersound, this block in the atmosphere will burn out before meeting its intended purpose.

                Tests conducted. Not burned out.
              2. D16
                +4
                27 December 2019 19: 56
                Ordinary BBs for some reason do not burn. It is clear that there are 4-5 swings near the ground, but in the case of Vanguard, the decrease in speed is compensated by maneuverability at the finish. And you throw these cliches. It is clear that the earth has no hypersound. But the opportunity to drop this thing at an altitude of 60-80 kilometers without a drop in accuracy, rather than a classic ballistic trajectory, is worth a lot.
                1. -5
                  27 December 2019 20: 24
                  Conventional BB armored with thermal protection, without wings and engines. And yes, you need to retarget something when changing course. Even the Masked Dragon does not land anywhere and maneuvering capabilities are very limited.
                  1. D16
                    +5
                    27 December 2019 20: 33
                    Conventional BB armored with thermal protection

                    And this one, think without?
                    without wings and engines

                    And this one can be without wings, and certainly without engines. At such speeds, fairly small deflected surfaces.
                    maneuvering capabilities are very limited.

                    So no one in America is going to twist dead loops. laughing
                  2. +1
                    27 December 2019 22: 22
                    Even the Masked Dragon does not land anywhere and maneuvering capabilities are very limited.

                    As I understand it - is this the technology standard for you? )))
                    1. -4
                      27 December 2019 23: 04
                      Is there something more perfect in metal? Is that Boeing reusable ..
              3. +1
                27 December 2019 22: 35
                so he does not fly constantly in the atmosphere) he is there only when he falls on the target)
        2. -9
          27 December 2019 18: 24
          If we discuss this topic without confirming with scans of schemes, calculations, lists indicating military ranks, full names, and positions, then this is balabolism.
          1. MMX
            0
            27 December 2019 20: 10
            Quote: gunnerminer
            If we discuss this topic without confirming with scans of schemes, calculations, lists indicating military ranks, full names, and positions, then this is balabolism.

            Shchaz the whole world military-industrial complex tensed, because of such a little fork ...
      6. +5
        27 December 2019 18: 12
        Quote: Robertocalos
        how is the Vanguard different from the warheads of the same Poplar or Mace?

        The main difference is that the Vanguard is CONTROLLED right up to the target, and the trajectory of conventional BGs after separation from the launch vehicle cannot be adjusted. Well, the very fact of the possibility of maneuvering makes it very difficult to intercept
        1. -11
          27 December 2019 18: 38
          That is, you assume that the last stage for atmospheric flight with a solid propellant rocket engine was mounted on ICBMs? Then, for sure, there can be no hypersound, it will burn to vigor / hair dryer ..
          1. +1
            27 December 2019 19: 27
            Quote: Robertocalos
            That is, you assume that the last stage for atmospheric flight with a solid propellant rocket engine was mounted on ICBMs?

            This is what you assume, not me. You have not noticed or do not want to notice that the full name of the hypersonic PLANNING warhead. Or do you think that it is impossible to control a glider without an engine?
            1. -7
              27 December 2019 19: 38
              In a cloud of plasma to control a glider? And if this block is essentially a cruise missile, attached to a ballistic, then there can be no hypersound. On three Machs, titanium is already deformed. Yes, and thermal protection must be provided for speed relief. So wherever it goes - doesn’t converge.
              1. +4
                27 December 2019 20: 26
                Quote: Robertocalos
                On three Machs, titanium is already deformed.

                The trollik is stubborn. How do you know what materials there are? Maybe there is not titanium, but damn it, plywood, polystyrene and percale. You are one smart, and all those who developed this block are ignoramuses. negative
                1. -5
                  27 December 2019 20: 43
                  And who am I the troll? Those who blindly believe agitation? Great honor. All ears buzzed in hypersound, but where is he? And this is just about this - the layman heard a buzzword and believes that this is some kind of super-duper.
                  1. D16
                    +1
                    27 December 2019 21: 57
                    Those who blindly believe agitation?

                    Are you here to convey the truth to each user?
                    All ears buzzed in hypersound, but where is he?

                    Near space.
                    the layman heard the buzzword and believes that this is some kind of super-duper.

                    In Russia, all middle school graduates in the Kurrrs laughing .
                  2. +2
                    28 December 2019 00: 01
                    Quote: Robertocalos
                    All ears buzzed in hypersound, but where is he?

                    And where would you like to see him, colleague? Or hear? smile The fact is that you clearly consider yourself smarter and more experienced than foreign experts who have no doubt about it, I'm not talking about us, members of the forum, we just went for a walk here. hi
                    1. -2
                      28 December 2019 01: 42
                      As you show the opinion of a foreign "expert" with at least a specialized higher technical education, you can begin to "believe". Although I am used to understanding what is happening, believing is for priests.
                      1. 0
                        29 December 2019 12: 35
                        Quote: Robertocalos
                        Although I am used to understanding what is happening, to believe is to priests.

                        I do not lead discussions about faith. If you are not too lazy, you will find a lot of evidence of the presence of the indicated weapons. Start at least from here: https://www.rbc.ru/politics/18/12/2018/5c1864119a79477b75999255. or https://ria.ru/20180418/1518916477.html
                        1. -1
                          29 December 2019 14: 44
                          In stock I have no doubt. In the overwhelmed characteristics - yes. Moreover, now I already know for sure that the complete disinformation was originally voiced - this does not happen, but as it happens, I'm trying to figure it out.
                        2. 0
                          29 December 2019 19: 45
                          Strange somehow it turns out. The first flight of the T-50 took place in 2010, but was put into service but can not. And here in a year and a half they already report that the product is already in production.
              2. D16
                +1
                27 December 2019 20: 52
                And if this block is essentially a cruise missile, attached to a ballistic, then there can be no hypersound.

                If Tomogavk, then definitely can’t laughing .
          2. D16
            +1
            27 December 2019 20: 11
            with solid rocket engine?

            There are already liquid ones, which will be thrown out from almost the first space one. You think you need one more? wassat
            1. -4
              27 December 2019 20: 19
              I think that with the first comic, it will begin to slow down in the atmosphere, like any descent vehicle. Like the Shuttle, for example, but the Shuttle did not possess any hypersound. And it never occurred to him to call him that.
              1. D16
                +1
                27 December 2019 20: 23
                Formally, space begins at 80 km altitude. That is, BB or Vanguard flying at an altitude of 79999m at a speed of Mach 22 is hypersonic laughing .
              2. 0
                28 December 2019 17: 25
                Examine the trajectory of the shuttle and the entry of ICBMs, so as not to pose as a dock. I give a hint, the ICBM enters almost from the top to the surface, the shuttle or the descent vehicle is still almost at the end of the earth opposite to the target, that is, one object needs to fly 100 km to the target, the second several thousand, I think you can draw conclusions
                1. -1
                  28 December 2019 18: 19
                  Yes, I have long studied. And if the Vanguard is essentially Glider, then it is closer to the Shuttle than to the traditional BB of the ICBMs. Down below, some seriously believe in horizontal guided flight at 60 km altitude at 22 Mach, and even at 5 thousand km range.
          3. +2
            27 December 2019 22: 23
            burns to vigor / hair dryer ..

            So that's the thing - do not burn .....))))
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      7. +6
        27 December 2019 20: 22
        Robertocalos (Vadim), if it's simple, then ... "Just as you throw a pebble in the water, and it jumps several times, so does the Vanguard."
        And if it is tricky, then "the use of the Zenger principle is ricocheting due to the aerodynamic quality from the atmosphere. That is, not along a ballistic trajectory in the gravitational field - as a freely thrown body, but using the aerodynamic potential of the atmosphere. This weapon has both advantages and disadvantages ... "Gen. feature MIT Solomonov Yuri Semenovich.
        It seems that it is not possible to calculate the trajectory of the warhead due to these bounces. hi
        1. -3
          27 December 2019 20: 33
          Thank. That is, after separation from the second stage, the combat unit without engines jumps to the target with a pancake? And how can correction take place?
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          2. +3
            27 December 2019 20: 45
            Yu.S. Solomonov spoke only about principles, and the rest ... "the topic is pretty closed."
          3. 0
            27 December 2019 22: 21
            Quote: Robertocalos
            And how can correction take place?

            The less you know, the longer you live. Do you need a full description, technology, drawings, apartment keys ...? Here they will remove the "neck", then you will find out.
            1. -3
              28 December 2019 01: 45
              No secrets needed. You just need to explain physics just above the level of the school curriculum. I have already figured out the hypersound, there are still doubts about the "controllability" of the warhead.
        2. D16
          +2
          27 December 2019 20: 43
          You are too serious. I’m afraid that Vadim is far from understanding all kinds of leaps there. He needs 3km / s near the ground. No way without it lol .
          1. -4
            27 December 2019 20: 53
            Yes, it’s no more stupid than a steam locomotive) and I just don’t need 3 km / s, because I understand that this is utopia. But I have a desire to understand the fundamental difference from the good old Ballistic missiles. And for other readers this is useful.
            1. D16
              +1
              27 December 2019 21: 01
              Conventional ICBMs can use "low" trajectories. But they have no accuracy. The vanguard on a low trajectory will reach the fastest and most invisible of all. And he himself can choose the guidance errors.
              1. -4
                27 December 2019 21: 03
                Particular clarity was not added))
                1. D16
                  +2
                  27 December 2019 21: 06
                  That's why I write that: "Vadim is far from understanding any jumps there." lol
                  1. -4
                    27 December 2019 21: 10
                    I'm trying to figure it out. There is a basis.
                    1. D16
                      +2
                      27 December 2019 21: 11
                      Flag in hand laughing .
      8. -1
        27 December 2019 21: 41
        "How does the Vanguard differ from the warheads of the same Poplar or Bulava?" /////
        ------
        The Poplar or Mace warheads fall almost vertically on the target.
        And the Vanguard begins a gentle decline in half-space (100-50 km)
        And only then they proceed to an almost vertical attack.
        Advantage: This attack path makes it difficult to intercept the Vanguard system
        PRO (THAAD, for example)
        Disadvantages:
        1) Vanguard - a large warhead. And instead of a few ordinary
        Warheads in ICBMs will fit only one Vanguard.
        2) accuracy. A gentle decline is poorly controlled. Anangard can fly away
        from the goal.
        1. -3
          27 December 2019 22: 02
          Thank. That is, in the BB of the engine there is a controlled fall, like the Shuttle? And who controls?
          1. 0
            27 December 2019 22: 41
            Management is carried out by gas rudders.
            There is no conventional jet or ramjet engine.
            There are probably several astro correction points on the path
            gentle descent to the goal.
            There is no external management. The accuracy is very, very dubious.
            Rather, it is a deterrent, an "uncertainty factor". recourse
            The tests were partial in western Siberia. In Kamchatka
            shot only once and without a gentle stage of decline. Vanguard
            fell like an ordinary warhead.
            1. -2
              27 December 2019 22: 54
              That is, Vanguard will not replace Poplars and Maces? So, for a change of arsenal adopted?
              1. -1
                27 December 2019 23: 07
                Yars (Poplar replacement) - modern and accurate
                solid fuel ICBMs. The basis of the strategic arsenal.
                In fact, besides it, Russia does not need anything for a tough nuclear
                deterrence.
                But the Kremlin, of course, is nervous about the development of the US missile defense.
                Although so far it is only "anti-Chinese" (over the Pacific Ocean).
                And he comes up with "jokers" like Vanguard.
        2. +1
          28 December 2019 03: 41
          In fact, the interception height is that THAAD, that the SM-3 is more than 100 km, that is, if as you wrote, then these systems, it turns out, can intercept on a ballistic site.
      9. +2
        27 December 2019 22: 09
        Someone can clearly explain how the Vanguard differs from the warheads of the same Poplar or Mace? And then already from every iron sounds about hypersound, and yet any ballistic missile is hypersonic in essence.

        Yes, everything is simple - all ballistic missiles cross the dense layers of the atmosphere along the shortest path, otherwise they will burn out. Because of this, their flight path is easy to calculate.
        The avant-garde is able to fly and maneuver longer in dense layers of the atmosphere, because of which its trajectory is very difficult to calculate, and therefore impossible to shoot down (not yet possible).
        1. 0
          28 December 2019 03: 43
          Yes, everything is simple - all ballistic missiles cross the dense layers of the atmosphere along the shortest path, otherwise they will burn out. Because of this, their flight path is easy to calculate.
          The avant-garde is able to fly and maneuver longer in dense layers of the atmosphere, because of which its trajectory is very difficult to calculate, and therefore impossible to shoot down (not yet possible).

          Dense layers of the atmosphere are 40 km and below.
          Missile defense intercepts at high altitudes.
      10. 0
        27 December 2019 22: 31
        the main point is in the maneuver .. the combat unit performs maneuvering, and since the main way to defeat is to damage the combat unit using the kinetic warhead of the PRO-scrap rocket, the probability is very small
      11. +2
        27 December 2019 23: 54
        Quote: Robertocalos
        But any ballistic missile is hypersonic in essence.

        In fact, yes, but so far we have managed hypersonic controls only (according to the representatives of the General Staff), control of the warhead in hypersound mode is the most difficult part of the program.
      12. +1
        28 December 2019 00: 19
        In short, the entrance to the dense layers along the lay trajectory, at the minimum possible angle, the shape of the planning block contributes to its controlled re-meshing from dense layers with the effect of maintaining the speed imparted by the carrier.
        1. -3
          28 December 2019 01: 31
          Dealt with this. But it is absolutely not clear how the aiming is carried out after "unpredictable jumps". Here I support Voyaku, KVO will be higher than that of traditional BB. This means - only merciless targets and no pinpoint strikes. Not to mention anti-aircraft maneuvers. And the pathos of "hypersound" is, of course, only pathos.
      13. 0
        29 December 2019 13: 04
        Someone can plainly explain, And already from every iron sounds about hypersound

        It's simple, this is a marketing method.
        For example, TVs with quantum dot , what is it ? In photography and lighting technology, the term light filter, these are films and paints that affect the light, and quantum This is a term from physics. So, to increase sales, marketers called the light filter a quantum dot and it turned out, as it were, a new super duper product having no analogues. Buyers would frown on the light filter, but they do not spare money on the points. Although in fact, these are the same balls, only in profile.
        The same marketing method was applied to regular ICBMs. Say there is combustion in the rocket - a molecular reaction, which means it can be called a molecular rocket. Or you can call a rocket plasma rocket and it will not be a lie, since the plasma is present. In fact, the "vanguard" is an ordinary ICBM.
        If you recall when the word hypersound was pronounced, in the election speech of the guarantor. If there is no new product, you can sell the image, which was done to win the election.
        ps
        And morality - do not get fooled by marketing.

      14. 0
        29 December 2019 19: 21
        And what, before the adversaries were able to shoot down all missiles or warheads?
    4. +5
      27 December 2019 17: 13
      Good luck. Good New Year's news.
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    5. +9
      27 December 2019 17: 13
      Well, I certainly did not expect an assessment as a "provocation to the arms race."
      Who got out of the ABM Treaty? Who ignored the RDSM agreement?
      Treating any arrangement as profitable is the US Prerogative.
      So get Balalaika on Baska! Yes
      1. +4
        27 December 2019 17: 35
        Who got out of the ABM Treaty? Who ignored the RDSM agreement?
        Ask some "John from Texas" about this and he will say in all seriousness that Russia. And some congressmen seem to be of the opinion that Russia and Putin personally are to blame.
        1. +2
          27 December 2019 17: 42
          So they are "exceptional", all they do it right, and all the rest only with their permission ... now let them run around now.
      2. 0
        27 December 2019 19: 01
        They always turn everything upside down.
    6. -3
      27 December 2019 17: 14
      Well, well, ukroin is on this list too! Their voice is more important than the voice of the United States, so from now on in all news ukroin needs to be placed in front of the United States, that is,, figuratively speaking the cart, in front of the horse lol
    7. 0
      27 December 2019 17: 15
      Actually, Russia has Avangard fool
    8. +2
      27 December 2019 17: 16
      The main thing is that Russia has this complex, the rest is empty chatter!
      1. 0
        27 December 2019 17: 19
        A rare case when Russia can be proud of its complex! !! lol We are notoriously "avant-garde" !!! lol
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    9. 0
      27 December 2019 17: 23
      "Listen now!"
    10. +1
      27 December 2019 17: 29
      Quote: MoJloT
      “Many expense items are not subject to audit due to the fact that they are classified”
      Normal practice, normal states. No one has canceled military secrets.

      The audit is most likely classified too.
    11. +3
      27 December 2019 17: 30
      In this regard, one gets the impression that there will be those who will call the adoption of the hypersonic Vanguard in Russia "interference in the internal affairs of the United States."
      Unlike other, far-fetched cases, the adoption of the Vanguard is really interference in the internal affairs of the United States, since, at least, it violates some of the plans of the local hawks, undermines the myth of American "exclusivity", the most advanced weapons of exclusively American production, and the invulnerability of the barrier Missile defense.
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    13. 0
      27 December 2019 17: 38
      As a result, this attempt was unsuccessful, as the US Department of Defense stated that "many items of expenditure are not subject to audit due to the fact that they are classified." Critics of this approach have accused Pentagon officials of knowingly hiding information,



      Of course, gentlemen simply cannot steal from the treasury, how can you imagine such a thing? This is all the Kremlin’s intervention, not otherwise.
    14. -4
      27 December 2019 17: 47
      Quote: Robertocalos
      Thanks for the advice, I’m a physicist in my first education.

      There is not a physical forum, but a military-political one ..
      1. +1
        27 December 2019 18: 46
        Quote: Shahno
        Quote: Robertocalos
        Thanks for the advice, I’m a physicist in my first education.

        There is not a physical forum, but a military-political one ..

        And here there are very angry men from all over Russia (who have a triple for physics)))) ... hi
    15. -14
      27 December 2019 17: 52
      . Putin now has Vanguard


      He had it before. EdRo called.
      1. -7
        27 December 2019 20: 20
        Quote: sergo1914
        . Putin now has Vanguard


        He had it before. EdRo called.



        Putinoids are rampant today.
      2. -2
        28 December 2019 22: 57
        Quote: sergo1914
        . Putin now has Vanguard


        He had it before. EdRo called.


        Cool. United Russia rallied. Why you can not see personally minuscule, just interesting. Yunarmiya VO, pouring right and left sand ... who are these people?
    16. -1
      27 December 2019 17: 58
      Quote: Robertocalos
      There are also smart specialists on this site. And, I believe that there are more of them than trolls and fans to speculate about "has no analogues." And it doesn't take much mind to repeat the journalistic clichés "hypersound-hypersound" like an ass.

      Of course have. It's just that everything has its time ..
    17. -1
      27 December 2019 18: 30
      Quote: Udav Kaa
      Quote: Aerodrome
      I ask you to change your "nickname" ... "Boa Kaa" is already occupied, and is highly respected

      It just so happened and not for you to teach me what and how I should do hi Am I disturbing you ?

      Wish you luck. You are an interesting opponent .. Yes
    18. -1
      27 December 2019 18: 30
      The Russian Federation now has two "Vanguards" - liquid ICBM UR100N UTTH and PKB (gliding winged unit) 15Yu71

      The launch weight of the rocket is 105 tons, the weight of the design bureau is 4 tons

    19. +1
      27 December 2019 18: 43
      Quote: dorz
      We will all die someday, and some will die. ”
      The poet Mechislav Shargan.

      “We will go to heaven, and they will simply die.” (C) Poet ... and no matter which one.
    20. -4
      27 December 2019 18: 44
      Now, as the Russian president emphasized, the situation has changed dramatically:

      Immediately the Urals will be wet (if something happens), but there is no special cover, unlike Moscow!
      Again we Uralians and Siberians have to save Russia?
      And few of us remained here, everyone in Moscow rushed bastards for a long ruble .. angry
    21. -14
      27 December 2019 19: 20
      “Putin now has Vanguard:
      Great news! And 15-20 years ago, it wasn’t .. And in 2008 it wasn’t .. Actually, what personal benefit is it for me, if I can’t spread it on a spit? That is, either it needs to be used, or why is it needed by at least 100+ million people? (I removed the rest in the form of amendments, maybe someone really needs .. well, in the sense of who exactly everyone needs, they already know). The country's security guarantee is perfectly worked out by a triad of nuclear weapons delivery vehicles. No matter how it is here. Everything else, 50 to 50.
      1. +5
        27 December 2019 23: 05
        You are wrong sir! You reason like a slave, not like a master. A weapon of such quality as Vanguard is like a lightning of Zeus! It is able to crush any missile defense of our opponents. It can make the entire American Navy and army afraid. This is SUPER terror of their consciousness. And what do you and all of us get from this?
        A question for children.
        First, we are increasingly respected by those who literally yesterday considered us second or even third grade. They continue to trade with us, despite the sanctions.
        Secondly, we can provide the Roof to any state that is afraid of the United States and most importantly, Americans are afraid to even breathe on our roof. These states can buy our goods from us and we can get rich.
        Thirdly, a new advanced weapon is an impetus for science, which must be used skillfully in civilian industries.
        The superpower and the population sooner or later begins to live SUPER laughing
    22. +1
      27 December 2019 19: 27
      Especially for those who hold money and overthrow over the hill, Putin said something we have captains and airmen who will take responsibility in difficult times .. laughing
      1. -5
        27 December 2019 19: 53
        What language is the comment in? And what about?
    23. -4
      27 December 2019 19: 40
      Quote: Piramidon
      Quote: Robertocalos
      That is, you assume that the last stage for atmospheric flight with a solid propellant rocket engine was mounted on ICBMs?

      This is what you assume, not me. You have not noticed or do not want to notice that the full name of the hypersonic PLANNING warhead. Or do you think that it is impossible to control a glider without an engine?

      Probably possible. Shuttles were also controlled. Something like that. But there were others like the goal.
      And here, as always, everything is secret. Mysterious supermaterials. Mysterious plasma control, etc. etc.
      No, in the patriotic plan there are no questions ..
    24. +1
      27 December 2019 19: 50
      Quote: GibSoN
      The country's security guarantee is perfectly worked out by a triad of nuclear weapons delivery vehicles.

      If you are so concerned about nuclear weapons delivery vehicles, then why are you against Vanguard ?! Missile defense systems are being improved, we must respond.
    25. -16
      27 December 2019 20: 46
      All these missiles are bullshit, people don’t need rockets, people need work.
      But the Chekist plays everything in the war.
      1. -8
        27 December 2019 21: 49
        Quote: RUSS
        All these missiles are bullshit, people don’t need rockets, people need work.
        But the Chekist plays everything in the war.

        Hello Prigogine!
        1. 0
          28 December 2019 17: 35
          Chekist? Do not make laugh my torn galoshes laughing
      2. +2
        27 December 2019 23: 09
        Yes!!! Do people also need fetters? Tech then build these missiles already have a job for your information. And those who do not yet have it now have the opportunity to live in peace, under the protection of these missiles!
        Let the Americans work for us, and not we for them with their stinky bucks!
      3. +4
        27 December 2019 23: 54
        So go work
        1. 0
          29 December 2019 00: 14
          He works here laughing
      4. +3
        28 December 2019 02: 14
        and missile production isn’t work? what a job. requiring the highest qualifications. not ... well, maybe not as high as a toilet paper sales manager, but still ....
    26. +2
      28 December 2019 00: 41
      there will also be those who would call the adoption of the hypersonic Vanguard in Russia "interference in the internal affairs of the United States" ...

      Not even in internal affairs ... In the subtle inner world of every senator and congressman. They have already grown confident that they can do anything and they won’t be anything for it ....
      And now - not even everything is possible, and the prospects will narrow. Well, about "nothing will happen" - in general, zrada, as the "allies" say, from one, let's say, country ...
    27. +1
      28 December 2019 00: 56

      It is additionally noted that in the West many of the statements of the Russian leader were not taken seriously, considering them a bluff. Now these people prefer to be silent.

      Now they stockpile with dry pie, and dig shelters. bully
    28. +3
      28 December 2019 02: 07
      Quote: Robertocalos
      Thermal protection is the first question.

      on thermal protection there are just no questions. installed air conditioning and that's it. By the way - I mount air conditioners, sleeps systems. bearer of the screenshot of this message - 20 percent discount)))
    29. 0
      28 December 2019 15: 48
      Moreover, it is stated that the larger the volume of the military budget, the greater the volume of corruption. An example is an attempt to conduct (for the first time in several decades) an audit at the Pentagon.

      Gorgeous.
    30. +2
      28 December 2019 17: 05
      Quote: jonht
      From open data, the Vanguard flies in the upper layers of the stratosphere, without space exit.

      And this despite the fact that the end of the active section of the carrier trajectory 15A71 is about 400 km, and the space border is 100 km? Maybe you shouldn’t come up with something that isn’t based only on the writings of journalists.

      Quote: Prjanik
      One thing a warhead falls, albeit with great speed, but along a predictable ballistic trajectory, another thing - it also maneuvers.

      Well, the word maneuvers in relation to both a warhead (controlled) and a winged unit, the concept is very relative. At such tremendous speeds, this will not be such maneuvering as an aircraft that can disrupt and target an anti-aircraft missile. Here maneuvering is very, very "soft". If it is lateral, then the radius of such a maneuver can be 1000 km or more. Energetic maneuvering at such speeds will simply "destroy" the winged unit. so all this is very conditional.
      I can cite as an example the already textbook statement that the supersonic anti-ship missile "Moskit" flies in a zveck at the final stage and thus does not allow itself to be shot down. The author of such a "beautiful" statement did not even try to calculate the radius of such a "snake", but if he did, he would find out that with each such evolution the GOS would simply lose its target and the rocket went into "milk".
      So it is with the "Vanguard". One should not expect vigorous maneuvering from him due to the high speed and the small supply of the working fluid for the maneuver. And of course the low-power engines

      Quote: Robertocalos
      That is, there is a rocket engine on the warhead? Does maneuvering actually go over the target? Then about hypersound it is not clear where it comes from?

      There is an engine on it, but the following is not clear
      1. Type and reserves of the working fluid
      2. Engine power
      Based on this, I think that we can say that there can be no talk of any energetic maneuvering. And it is completely incomprehensible where such maneuvering is possible ...

      Quote: dorz
      Quote: Robertocalos
      Someone can clearly explain how the Vanguard differs from the warheads of
      same Poplars or Clubs? And then already from every iron sounds about hypersound, and yet any ballistic missile is hypersonic in essence.

      Vanguard will reach Washington in 15 minutes.

      Oh really? Only 15 minutes? And why not 3 minutes or 5 minutes, or 1,5 minutes?
      The distance from the PR division, from where the "Vanguards" were launched to the Kura, is about 6200 km. With a rocket speed at the end of the OUT of about 7,5 km / s (I think it is somewhat lower, but not the point), the distance of 6200 km will cover the block in almost 14 minutes (13,8 minutes), and the distance of 10-12 thousand kilometers in 15 minutes? You have it, from the third space will fly ???

      Quote: Robertocalos
      Suspicions that "hypersound" is just a buzzword are very real. Apparently, gas engines were inserted into the warhead, which can work for a few seconds and correct the trajectory. And the block falls under the influence of gravity, that is, approximately Mach 4.

      Hypersound has actually become a buzzword. And in fact you are right. A controlled or winged (these are two different) units, having a certain type of engines, can slightly adjust their trajectory, which can create difficulties in intercepting in a certain area. But this question is solved very simply. An increase in the "outfit of forces". Where 1-2 missiles miss, they will not miss 3-4

      Quote: Robertocalos
      If I am right, then the Vanguard cannot be a miracle weapon. At launch and in space, he is vulnerable to the Standards. And only in the final phase of the flight can it complicate targeting the warhead. That is, in essence, an "improved Mace".

      The issue of vulnerability from "stardarts" is very controversial. V-1 "Standards" are not intended to intercept ICBMs or their warheads. No, in a certain situation, interception is possible, but for this, in addition to the missiles themselves, sufficiently powerful support means (radars) are needed, since the "Standards" radar does not have a very large range. In-2 at the start "Vanguard" is hardly vulnerable, because the place where the carriers of the "Standards" can be far enough from the launch point and even with external target designation these ships will no longer be able to intercept the "Vanguards" by the "standards"
      In space, it is hardly vulnerable in most cases. Separately, this can be disassembled, but I do not think there is a need. Most vulnerable warhead may be at the finish


      Quote: D16
      At launch and in space, it is vulnerable to Standards.

      Excuse me, are you going to launch standards from our territory? There, after all, 100-150 km up and north and that's it. OUT has ended. And then everything.

      The Vanguard launch vehicle's OUT will end at an altitude of 400 km and at a distance of about 800 km from the launch point. The reach of the "Standard" SM-3 Block 2A is a range of 2500 km, an altitude of 1500. But the speed is low compared to the "Vanguard"

      Quote: lucul
      I’m talking about orbital. I’m explaining the flight .. there are no maneuvers and the trajectory is in the palm of your hand. .

      Yes, it does not appear in space, everything is within the atmosphere)))
      The GPB of the Avangard complex is launched by an upgraded 15A35 rocket (UR-100 N UTTKh) to an altitude of about 80 km, after which it plans to descend to an altitude of about 60 km on a short flight segment. in sufficiently dense layers of the atmosphere at a distance of about 60 km at speeds from 10000 to 18 Mach. The final dive section is as short as possible and is about 22 km. The angle of incidence on the target can be calculated by itself. During the flight, the unit can make up to 100 lateral maneuvers, bypassing all areas of possible interception "

      Oh, is it not launched into space? Is this at the end of the OUT altitude of 400 km? How it will behave when using the Zenger trajectory is not known at all. For all the tests that the "Vanguard" passed were along a ballistic trajectory. Theoretically, he can use such a flight principle, but no one has yet checked it ...

      Quote: Robertocalos
      Dealt with this. But it is absolutely not clear how the aiming is carried out after "unpredictable jumps". Here I support Voyaku, KVO will be higher than that of traditional BB. This means - only merciless targets and no pinpoint strikes. Not to mention anti-aircraft maneuvers. And the pathos of "hypersound" is, of course, only pathos.

      "Horse racing" is still "virtual". So far, no one has tested such a trajectory
    31. 0
      28 December 2019 23: 54
      Quote: MoJloT
      “Many expense items are not subject to audit due to the fact that they are classified”
      Normal practice, normal states. No one has canceled military secrets.

      Tell me, my dear, what is a military secret. If the country's military budget is known to everyone, and, above all, to the enemy. If the military budget items are known, and the amount of funding, too. Then why is budget execution a military secret? Kohl, since finance articles are accepted collectively, then why should the same college not see spending?
    32. 0
      29 December 2019 09: 24
      Striped fucking corruption with such a debt and its printing press, while. But sooner or later this bomb will explode and tady oh ....
    33. 0
      9 January 2020 12: 41
      We have the avant-garde ??, the states are catching up ???, how the propaganda for me was foolish for me .. Read and see Boeing X-43 The hypersonic aircraft X-43A is the fastest aircraft in the world. The drone during the test showed fantastic results, it flew at a speed of 11230 kilometers per hour. This is approximately 9,6 times greater than the speed of sound.

      Next: https://uznayvse.ru/interesting-facts/samyiy-byistryiy-samolet-v-mire.html
      And then think, it’s not even a rocket, but an airplane, flying at the same time, that is, it’s steeper for the entire duration of the flight and its hyper sound ...

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