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Borisov: Work on the development of the Russian military satellite constellation has been disrupted

Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov, who oversees the defense and space sectors, said that the renewal of the military space group in 2019 was disrupted. He told about this in an interview with the Russia 24 channel.


Maybe I will give out a certain kind of secret. In December, at the Sochi meetings, where we seriously discussed the state of the space group in the interests of the Ministry of Defense, there was a very tough, serious conversation

- Borisov said, adding that by January 20, the reasons for the failure of work to upgrade the Russian military satellite constellation will be reported to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The Deputy Prime Minister said that in December at a meeting in Sochi the state of the space group of the Ministry of Defense was discussed and an order was given to create a special commission to determine the cause of the disruptions.

At the Sochi meetings, where we seriously discussed the state of the space group in the interests of the Ministry of Defense (...) were given instructions to create a commission, it is already working, and no later than January 20 will report to the president about the reasons that accompanied the disruption of these works

- He said.

Borisov also criticized the Russian rocket and space industry as a whole and called it the only achievement in 2019 for accident-free space launches.

Of course, during the current year there were many criticisms towards the leadership and the industry as a whole. It is no secret that the industry is in a difficult situation. For example, among the successes of the industry, there is only one thing: this year there was not a single emergency

- he stressed.
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  1. Antidote
    Antidote 27 December 2019 13: 33 New
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    Will organizational conclusions follow and D. Batutovich R. will be removed with the entry?
    1. Genry
      Genry 27 December 2019 13: 49 New
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      And the church of the 12th century - is he too?
      Satellites themselves are a little different ...
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 27 December 2019 14: 13 New
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        Yes, he is the leader and answer him
        1. Vladimir61
          Vladimir61 27 December 2019 16: 20 New
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          Quote: Kronos
          Yes, he is the leader and answer him

          Where is the comma here and what is the punctuation mark at the end of the sentence?
    2. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 27 December 2019 13: 49 New
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      Quote: Antidote
      Will organizational conclusions follow and D. Batutovich R. will be removed with the entry?

      In recent years, Borisov’s duty to constantly report on deadlines and a shift to the right ... a good position ....
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 27 December 2019 13: 55 New
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        Quote: Aerodrome
        Will organizational conclusions follow and D. Batutovich R. will be removed with the entry?

        In recent years, Borisov’s duty to constantly report on deadlines and a shift to the right ... a good position ....

        I must add that such good positions for all members of the government .. to report on the disruption of something, for them how to go to the store .. where do not spit the situation is the same .. why? Yes, everything is simple, after the disruption of the May decrees, organizational conclusions were not made .. Moreover, the president throughout the country announced that he was pleased with the work of the government .. this is an elementary and most serious managerial mistake, after which, usually subordinates put the device on the case and on the head ..
        1. vladimirvn
          vladimirvn 27 December 2019 16: 21 New
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          A dubious achievement if you sit on the priest level and do nothing.
        2. Ivan Ivanov
          Ivan Ivanov 28 December 2019 13: 53 New
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          Quote: Svarog
          this is an elementary and most serious managerial mistake, after which, usually subordinates put the device both on business and on the leader ..


          It’s much more pleasant for the president to talk about Lenin’s mines, etc. serious managerial mistakes of the Bolsheviks.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 28 December 2019 17: 26 New
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            Quote: IvanIvanov
            It’s much more pleasant for the president to talk about Lenin’s mines, etc. serious managerial mistakes of the Bolsheviks.

            I honestly did not expect such stupidity from him - Lenin is still a genius in the theory and practice of building a new state. And Putin is just a manager, and even as it turns out, he’s not so outstanding when compared with the same Stalin. He even could not solve a number of cardinal problems in the country, although he already has the full power for many years.
          2. ver_
            ver_ 29 December 2019 04: 43 New
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            ... Lenin - it was just * driving * Ulyanov = Blanca ..
      2. Mityay65
        Mityay65 27 December 2019 13: 55 New
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        Quote: Aerodrome
        good position ....

        Watching Rogozin. fellow
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 27 December 2019 14: 56 New
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          It is no secret that the industry is in a difficult situation.

          I do not know of any industry in Russia, the simplicity of which struck with genius the whole world ...

          Annoy Roskosmos us
          Suddenly he began for some reason.
          Jump into space now
          It seems not from a trampoline.
          The President gives us
          A lot of theft
          What do not go in comparison
          With sabotage even ...

          It's only the beginning,
          It's only the beginning,
          Whether it still will be, oh-oh-oh-oh!

          Once again, disaster struck us -
          Awkwardly declare:
          Deadline Not Updated
          "CA CEN" grouping.
          Hastily looking for all the reasons
          Disruption of this task.
          And some mister
          Rides on a trampoline.

          It's only the beginning,
          It's only the beginning,
          Whether it still will be, oh-oh-oh-oh!

          Load us with noodles
          Steel for some reason.
          HSE institution status
          Above the institute.
          And such graduates
          Every year more.
          To the questions: "How are you?"
          We say: “Like in Poland ...” *

          It's only the beginning,
          It's only the beginning,
          Whether it still will be, oh-oh-oh-oh!

          * An old saying popular in Soviet times. "How are you?" “Things are like in Poland. Who has the cart - that’s pan ”
          1. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 28 December 2019 00: 04 New
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            "How are you ?" - "As in Poland - the pan who has LONGER ... (genital organ)"
            1. cat Rusich
              cat Rusich 28 December 2019 21: 48 New
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              A rhyme saying. Who doesn't like it? Heard by me from senior colleagues at work - it means reliable.
      3. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 27 December 2019 15: 27 New
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        Airfield! Over time, due to impunity and the president’s reluctance to purge, our officials become impudent. Before, I remember, when the plan was disrupted, they blushed, stammered, and invented some reasons why the given task could not be done. Now, they simply say "Yes, ripped off", such as unbind, do not distract from the exciting activities of cutting the budget.
        1. 9PA
          9PA 29 December 2019 10: 06 New
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          The cell is crying over them.
      4. 30143
        30143 29 December 2019 10: 35 New
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        And, probably, he gets a good salary. Here is attached.
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      1. slipped
        slipped 27 December 2019 15: 05 New
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        Quote: Bar2
        the news has arrived. So the hangar is on, we are building a spaceport under the hangar, Proton is to be left, then Proton is flying, and the hangar is sucks.


        You have a causal relationship. The Proton-M launch vehicle, according to the wishes of Kazakhstan, will no longer be launched in 2025, and for the time being several more missiles are in production or are preparing for launches, for example, at the beginning of next year, Proton-M has a cluster launch of new Russian communications satellites.

        A5 from Plesetsk will replace Proton-M with Baikonur next year. The second stage of the Vostochny spaceport is being built, and ahead of schedule, for launching A5, A5P, A5M rockets. Launches of these missiles will begin there from the year 2023.

        Quote: Bar2
        They promised to put hk33 on the Union, didn’t put either hk33 or rd170, what are they pulling?


        NK-33 has long been on the "Union" -2.1v. RD-170 is an engine for parablocks of the RN Energia.

        Quote: Bar2
        Right now it’s necessary, there is no direct urine to make the Yenisei, although there is Energy.


        No.

        Quote: Bar2
        When will it all end?


        Do not wait laughing
        1. Stena
          Stena 27 December 2019 15: 58 New
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          Quote: Bar2
          about the hangar-forward, we are building a spaceport under the hangar, Proton-leave, then Proton flies, and the hangar-sucks. They promised to put hk33 on the Union, didn’t put either hk33 or rd170, what are they pulling? Right now it’s necessary, there is no direct urine to make the Yenisei, although there is Energy.
          This is Putin’s capitalism, but in terms of the number of yachts per billionaire’s soul,

          Quote: slipped
          You have a causal relationship.

          He has problems with a conscience. Or rather, with its absence.
          And there is no conscience and shame - there is no man - just an animal.
          Thanks to Slipped for your clear and informed look at space related issues. It is always a pleasure to read you.
        2. Bar2
          Bar2 27 December 2019 16: 08 New
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          let's sort through the points.

          The situation does not suit everyone - neither with the construction of the first stage, nor with the construction of the second. Work on the first is actually frustrated,

          this was said in the messenger of this year, Yuri Borisov
          https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/characters/2019/09/01/810179-vitse-premer-situatsiya-kosmodrome-vostochnii-nas-ne-ustraivaet

          A5 from Plesetsk will replace Proton-M with Baikonur next year. The second stage of the Vostochny spaceport is being built, and ahead of schedule, for launching A5, A5P, A5M rockets. Launches of these missiles will begin there from the year 2023.


          but what Borisov said

          Due to the disruptions of Roskosmos along the Angara, a lot of time was lost. The fact is that the rocket does not meet the requirements that the main customer places on it. But the fact that the Ministry of Defense has chosen Angara as the main carrier for the formation of the satellite constellation, no one questions.


          so, why make a futile rocket, build a spaceport, if it does not meet the requirements?

          Quote: slipped
          NK-33 has long been on the "Union" -2.1v. RD-170 is an engine for parablocks of the RN Energia.

          Well, the keyword has long been since 13 years and ALL more launches were not.
          Quote: slipped
          No.


          This is your documentation on Apollo and F1 disappearing in America, it does not disappear here.

          So, Proton is accused of high accident rate, but Proton’s last fall is when a locksmith who receives a salary at the factory, as a cleaning lady, didn’t put the sensor correctly, but this is a problem of the state, which is trying to pay a normal salary to a qualified assembler, and not Proton rockets.
          The hangar DOES NOT MEET the requirements and it’s not even clear why, they don’t decrypt.
          Soyuz21v-flew a long time ago, but it is not allowed to go.
          So the uncle in Roskosmos, as in all of Russia, is a BARDAK.
          1. u-345
            u-345 27 December 2019 17: 45 New
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            How will the article come out that not everything is okay in our cosmonautics, that the competitors have long gone ahead, some local experts will come out right there, who sort of solved the problems with the Korolev joint venture itself, and begin to explain to us with clever scientific phrases that everything is We are good with the astronautics, and we are all here not far, we just don’t understand anything. hi
          2. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 27 December 2019 18: 03 New
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            Quote: Bar2
            ... when a locksmith who gets paid at the factory, like a cleaning lady, didn’t put the sensor correctly,

            Someone launched nonsense about an improperly installed sensor and "went to write the province."
            The sensor cannot be put in the wrong way. It either does not fit into the installation slot, or the mounting points of the sensor do not match. Just like the "father" and "mother" of the SR connector, it is impossible to connect incorrectly.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 27 December 2019 18: 44 New
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              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              Someone launched nonsense about an improperly installed sensor and "went to write the province."

              It was easier to explain the failure, because many people encounter assembly errors even in everyday life. But how to explain to the people that material science as a science is generally behind us, and that the quality of the input control of the components is below the baseboard, like the output control of the finished product, and how to correct all this in the current situation, our humanitarian experts certainly do not know . Otherwise, Rogozin would not have been allowed to come close to Roskosmos - well, academics and world-famous award winners will never be taken seriously as the leader of anyone outside of their midst, and even less so like Rogozin - this was well known in Soviet times, which was why outstanding success in space programs. In a word, all our current failures from the complete incompetence of the country's top leadership in the selection of personnel for our leading industries, and space in the first place. Even Solomonov did not pull out the development of a new rocket at one time, so he had to change it, because this is one thing to manage the research institute, and not everyone succeeds in becoming the head of the practice. Unfortunately, not everyone understands this, and upstarts like Rogozin or "effective managers" appear, destroying the industry.
              1. Astronaut
                Astronaut 28 December 2019 02: 35 New
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                that materials science as a science in general we suck

                You do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs. And here is material science and "effective managers"? Are you at least familiar with this discipline?
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 28 December 2019 10: 45 New
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                  Quote: Astronaut
                  And here material science and "effective managers"

                  Material science is the main science in creating the latest models of weapons and military equipment, and especially in the development of LSI and microchips, as well as in the creation of aerospace technology, the same composite materials when creating an airplane glider.
                  As for "effective managers", these are accusatory definitions of people who vaguely understand what they are managing - it is strange that you think that they do not affect the general technical progress in our country.
                  Quote: Astronaut
                  You do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs.

                  When you systematically learn to think, then you will understand what I wrote about, since you think that I have confused something.
            2. karabass
              karabass 27 December 2019 19: 48 New
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              Your untruth, you can hammer a sledgehammer
            3. MrFox
              MrFox 28 December 2019 13: 02 New
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              You probably haven’t seen how the head of the department screwed the РМТ connector into the father in the emergency with a bunch of sparks or how the board is driven into a strange place breaking code dies, and look at least at the insides of the blocks that come after the repair. Clawing the sensor past the guides and past the fasteners is elementary
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 28 December 2019 15: 00 New
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                Quote: MrFox
                You probably haven’t seen how the head of the department screwed the РМТ connector into the father in the emergency with a bunch of sparks or how the board is driven into a strange place breaking code dies, and look at least at the insides of the blocks that come after the repair. Clawing the sensor past the guides and past the fasteners is elementary

                Reporting from the кан kanopachik dacha ’ But what does space have to do with it?
                Especially touched - "screw the connector" (?? !!)
                1. MrFox
                  MrFox 28 December 2019 16: 47 New
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                  Do you have a military-political education or didn’t you work with military equipment in the USSR? For information, the connectors of the РМТ series are threaded. Say hello to everyone in your country house
                  1. Krasnoyarsk
                    Krasnoyarsk 28 December 2019 18: 19 New
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                    Quote: MrFox
                    equipment in the USSR? For information, the connectors of the РМТ series are threaded. Say hello to everyone in your country house
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                    1. MrFox
                      MrFox 28 December 2019 19: 17 New
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                      Leave the keyboard alone, your hands are shaking
                      1. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 28 December 2019 22: 09 New
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                        Quote: MrFox
                        Leave the keyboard alone, your hands are shaking

                        What happened to you? Hands trembling with a hangover, ali scared who?
              2. ccsr
                ccsr 28 December 2019 17: 30 New
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                Quote: MrFox
                You probably haven’t seen the head of the department screw the PMT connector into the father in the emergency with a bunch of sparks, or how the board is driven into a strange place, breaking the code comb,

                Did you see this in Reutov at the "VPK" NPO Mashinostroyeniya "? I doubt that this is possible - there is still a different work culture, and I know this from Soviet times. I don’t think that they have degraded like that ....
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 28 December 2019 22: 16 New
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                  Quote: ccsr

                  Did you see this in Reutov at the "VPK" NPO Mashinostroyeniya "? I doubt that this is possible - there is still a different work culture, and I know this from Soviet times. I don’t think that they have degraded like that ....

                  Here I am about the same. The electrician could not (usually the sensors are their diocese) hammer the sensor, but without the hammer it is impossible to put it wrong. Not only that, when tested before starting, and without it in any way, there would immediately have been a malfunction in the circuit where this sensor is located.
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 29 December 2019 10: 58 New
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                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    Here I am about the same. An electrician (usually sensors is their diocese) could not hammer a sensor,

                    The techies understood it all, and the humanities grab it as the truth, which is why those who presented this information counted on them. It was recalled that the chief of the General Staff, Kvashnin blurted out that our orbital group would replace Lourdes - the professionals immediately realized what nonsense he froze to please the Supreme, and everyone else took it at face value.
              3. Gray-haired
                Gray-haired 28 December 2019 17: 50 New
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                Did you describe your antics now? Have you ever held PMT in your hands? It is only in your empty head that two “dads” of the same diameter can “enter” each other, zvizdobol! Although rear-wheel drive, it may come.
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          3. slipped
            slipped 27 December 2019 23: 26 New
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            Quote: Bar2
            let's sort through the points.


            No problem. laughing

            Quote: Bar2
            The situation does not suit everyone - neither with the construction of the first stage, nor with the construction of the second. Work on the first is actually disrupted, this was said in the messenger of this year, Yuri Borisov


            And he missed the deadlines for the first stage of the military "Spetsstroy" with subcontractors - the organization has long been disbanded, and the leaders sat down. The first phase will be completed by another organization. This does not interfere with regular launches at all - in 2020, five launches of Soyuz-2 launch vehicles are planned, the rockets have already been delivered to the spaceport:



            As for the second stage, there the construction is ahead of schedule - on December 25, 2019, experts at TsENKI and contracting organizations completed the installation of large-sized tanks for storing oxygen and nitrogen.



            They took and unloaded at a special storage site on the territory of the Industrial Construction and Operational Base of the Vostochny Cosmodrome the fourth, fifth and sixth floors of a cable-filling tower.



            Next year, the number of builders involved in the facility is increasing.

            Quote: Bar2
            Due to the disruptions of Roskosmos along the Angara, a lot of time was lost. The fact is that the rocket does not meet the requirements that the main customer places on it. But the fact that the Ministry of Defense has chosen Angara as the main carrier for the formation of the satellite constellation, no one questions.


            The main customer at the Angara missile complex is the Ministry of Defense. What was lost there if until recently they flew their payload on the Proton-M and Rokot launch vehicles? laughing As for the A5 launch vehicle, it from Plesetsk, with the Briz-M RB corresponds to the Proton-K missile previously used by the military with the DM RB from Baikonur, only much more environmentally friendly. In addition, a new 14C48 overclocking unit has already been made for her, which will catch up with her characteristics to those required by the MO.

            Quote: Bar2
            so, why make a futile rocket, build a spaceport, if it does not meet the requirements?


            She does not catch up with Proton-M from Plesetsk, but she will perfectly overtake him from Vostochny, even in the basic configuration laughing Option A5P goes under a manned program for deep space. And options A5M and A5B are commercial.

            Quote: Bar2
            Quote: slipped
            NK-33 has long been on the "Union" -2.1v.

            Well, the keyword has long been since 13 years and ALL more launches were not.


            Yeah. They fly for a long time and regularly - this year there were two launches of this carrier from Plesetsk. laughing

            Quote: Bar2
            Quote: slipped
            No.

            This is your documentation on Apollo and F1 disappearing in America, it does not disappear here.


            What are you talking about? There have been no enterprises for a long time already doing the components that make up the Energia LV. Those technologies that were developed according to it will be used in the Soyuz-5 rocket and the Yenisei STK.

            Quote: Bar2
            So Proton is accused of high accident rate, but the last fall of Proton ... "


            It happened in 2015. Four and a half years ago. After that, there were 19 successive launches of this rocket.

            Quote: Bar2
            The hangar DOES NOT MEET the requirements and it’s not even clear why, they don’t decrypt.
            Soyuz21v-flew a long time ago, but it is not allowed to go.


            Decrypted above. About Soyuz-2.1v you can’t do it with your foot.

            Here so laughing
            1. Bar2
              Bar2 28 December 2019 00: 31 New
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              Quote: slipped
              This does not interfere with regular launches at all - in 2020, five launches of Soyuz-2 launch vehicles are planned, the rockets have already been delivered to the spaceport:


              this prevents the hangar from flying, which Borisov spoke of. As for the Unions, this is the old Soviet Korolyovsaya P7.

              Quote: slipped
              He’s not catching up with Proton-M from Plesetsk, but he’ll beat him well from Vostochny,


              From the cape, the canave of the hangar will fly even faster, but it does not depend on the rocket.

              Quote: slipped
              What are you talking about? There have been no enterprises for a long time already doing the components that make up the Energia LV.


              you don’t have to lie, Energy Corporation is located in Korolyov and all the documentation is there too.

              Quote: slipped
              Yeah. They fly for a long time and regularly - this year there were two launches of this carrier from Plesetsk


              NK33 engines in this Russia DO NOT PRODUCE, the company is ruined, now it is difficult to return the NK32. And what they put on Unions 21v is old stocks from the Soviet Union, uncle.
              All that flies is the backlog of the USSR and at the same time they want to ruin the Proton as well, they are completely crazy there.
              You made an attempt to oppose, but it didn’t work, the lies didn’t work, but somehow to justify capitalist Russia Putin is a hopeless attempt, this Russia does nothing new and will never do it, the wrong people are managing.
              1. slipped
                slipped 28 December 2019 01: 07 New
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                Quote: Bar2
                Quote: slipped
                This does not interfere with regular launches at all - in 2020, five launches of Soyuz-2 launch vehicles are planned, the rockets have already been delivered to the spaceport:


                this prevents the hangar from flying, which Borisov spoke of. As for the Unions, this is the old Soviet Korolyovsaya P7.


                What are you! You and in the "East" is not in the tooth with a foot. Eh. The Soyuz-2 rocket and the Angara series missiles have different starts. For the first, it is already built and in operation, for the second it is only under construction. How can Soyuz-2 rocket launches interfere with the Angara? laughing They are generally different even in the class of rockets. What are you talking about?

                In addition, Soyuz-2 is not the old Soviet P7. The old Soviet R7 is the Soyuz-U rocket - an analogue unified, the launches of which have already been stopped. Soyuz-2 is a series of missiles based on the previously proven P7 layout, but with a digital control system, with a new engine and fairing at the third stage.

                Quote: Bar2
                Quote: slipped
                He’s not catching up with Proton-M from Plesetsk, but he’ll beat him well from Vostochny,


                From the cape, the canave of the hangar will fly even faster, but it does not depend on the rocket.


                You don’t fumble in rockets either. Sadness. There is not about speed, but about the volume of PN.

                Quote: Bar2
                Quote: slipped
                What are you talking about? There have been no enterprises for a long time already doing the components that make up the Energia LV.


                you don’t have to lie, Energy Corporation is located in Korolyov and all the documentation is there too.


                Oh my God.

                Quote: Bar2
                Quote: slipped
                Yeah. They fly for a long time and regularly - this year there were two launches of this carrier from Plesetsk


                NK33 engines in this Russia DO NOT PRODUCE, the company is ruined, now it is difficult to return the NK32. And what they put on Unions 21v is old stocks from the Soviet Union, uncle.


                How does this deny the regular launches of Soyuz-2.1v? By the way, after all the NK-33 reserves are exhausted, Soyuz-2.1v will land RD-181, which has already flown off qualification at Antares, oh sorry, RD-193 laughing

                Quote: Bar2
                All that flies is the backlog of the USSR and at the same time they want to ruin the Proton as well, they are completely crazy there.


                Oh, we’ve lost everything, the station is leaving. laughing

                Quote: Bar2
                You made an attempt to oppose, but it didn’t work


                Are you talking about your trash about Soyuz-2.1v right now? lol
                1. Bar2
                  Bar2 28 December 2019 08: 54 New
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                  Quote: slipped
                  What are you talking about?


                  ask Borisov what he’s talking about.


                  Quote: slipped
                  Soyuz-2 "is a series of missiles based on the previously tested P7 layout, but with a digital control system, with a new engine and fairing at the third stage.


                  lying again. Besides Soyuz21v with NK33 (I didn’t know about it), all other Unions go with the old RD107 / 108. So the digital and analogue control systems don’t do it anymore, and our planes are falling down Su 57 because of the control systems failure there’s only one answer, there’s American electronics. So if ours refuse to carry pin_dos to the ISS, then the Unions will also begin to fall.
                  Everything else is also from P7, only modernized.

                  Quote: slipped
                  You don’t fumble in rockets either. Sadness. There is not about speed, but about the volume of PN.


                  want to say that a rocket launched from a point closer to the equator does not use the speed of rotation of the earth? fool And this countergenesis is still arguing about something.





                  Quote: slipped
                  Oh my God.


                  and ask him.


                  Quote: slipped
                  How does this deny the regular launches of Soyuz-2.1v? By the way, after all the NK-33 reserves are exhausted, Soyuz-2.1v will land RD-181, which has already flown off qualification at Antares, oh sorry, RD-193


                  this suggests that the Soviet Unions and Soviet engines alone provide the space program for this Putin Russia, and nothing is done in this Putin Russia itself.
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 28 December 2019 10: 52 New
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                    and the fact that our planes are falling Su 57 due to a failure of control systems, so here is the only answer, there is American electronics.

                    It is not true, this cannot be, if only because in the production of B and VT there are strict restrictions on the use of foreign components.
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                    but in this Putin's Russia, NOTHING is being done.

                    This is also a propaganda slogan, if only because the military-industrial complex has been revived in the country and the creation of the latest weapons that overtake foreign analogues is a testament to this.
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                      Bar2 28 December 2019 11: 32 New
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                      This is also a propaganda slogan, if only because the military-industrial complex has been revived in the country and the creation of the latest weapons that overtake foreign analogues is a testament to this.


                      give an example of what has been done in Putin's Russia?
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                        give an example of what has been done in Putin's Russia?

                        The first Avangard complex was put on alert, the Crimean bridge was built - this is for starters.
                        You will find information about the other successes of present-day Russia online if they are of real interest to you, and believe me, they are not so few.
                      2. Bar2
                        Bar2 28 December 2019 12: 11 New
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                        The first complex "Vanguard" put on combat duty,

                        the fact that the bomb was attached to aerodynamic surfaces and put on thermal protection, is this not a discovery in ceramics, have you heard about Buran? He, too, descended on wings from space to earth.
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                        ccsr 28 December 2019 12: 13 New
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                        heard of Buran? He, too, descended on wings from space to earth.

                        With hypersonic speed?
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                        Bar2 28 December 2019 13: 11 New
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                        With hypersonic speed?


                        why don’t you know anything. ALL spacecraft descend from orbit or from near space at the same speed with the first space 8km / s and your avant-garde is no exception.
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                        with the first space 8km / s and

                        At what height does Buran have such a speed?
                        What is it controlled at such height and speed?
                        Or, again, balabolite?
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                        ccsr 29 December 2019 11: 30 New
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                        Or, again, balabolite?

                        This is a victim of the exam, and he reveals to us the "truths" ....
                    2. ccsr
                      ccsr 28 December 2019 17: 21 New
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                      ALL spacecraft descend from orbit or from near space at the same speed with the first spacecraft at 8 km / s

                      In fact, you are illiterate, all the descent spacecraft have different speeds throughout the entire portion of the trajectory - from the first space one they only enter from orbit, and then its decline begins due to braking. And landing on the ground in capsules takes place by parachute in the last section - is there also hypersonic speed?
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                      and your vanguard is no exception.

                      An exception - "Vanguard" will descend at a completely different speed, otherwise the warhead will be easy prey for missile defense.
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                      Bar2 28 December 2019 22: 23 New
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                      In fact, you are illiterate, all the descent spacecraft have different speeds throughout the entire portion of the trajectory - they only enter from the orbit from the first spacecraft, and then its decline begins due to braking


                      when the thief himself, then we must shout the loudest, hold the thief.
                      Any spacecraft descends from orbit almost always the same. First, braking and falling from the first space velocity to a lower, not much less, but enough that the force of gravity hooks the device and it clings to the upper atmosphere and starts to FALL. This happens with EVERYTHING apparatuses from ballistic-uncontrollable to controlled with wings. During this time, the spacecraft accelerates to great speed according to yours (you only understand this, hypersonic). And only at an altitude of 20 km Buran’s wings are triggered. Since the Vanguard is a winged projectile without an engine, it will simply plan for the target at high speed from top to bottom. And it's all about the thermal protection of the device. Is it clear to you?
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                      ccsr 29 December 2019 11: 13 New
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                      . During this time, the spacecraft accelerates to great speed according to yours (you only understand this, hypersonic).

                      And the “Buran”, about which you screamed here, also accelerated to great speed before landing, or was it already starting to slow down after falling to 100 km?
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                      And only at an altitude of 20 km Buran wings are triggered.

                      Have you heard anything about the vertical gradient of air pressure, or you have made all the calculations for a uniform atmosphere, since you don’t understand why braking starts already at 100 km, but it is not as effective as at an altitude of 20 km.
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                      Since the Vanguard is a winged shell without an engine, it will simply plan toward the target at high speed from top to bottom.

                      Since you are nonsense about the space braking of orbital vehicles, I doubt that you had anything to do with the construction of the Vanguard, and therefore I do not consider it necessary to believe in all your "theories". Regarding the “planning”, I note that this trajectory is easy to calculate with missile defense, but maneuvering on the reduced section will put an end to their ability to hit warheads.
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                      And it's all about the thermal protection of the device. Is it clear to you?

                      Take comfort professor sour cabbage soup - you're too far from this area to tell me how to perceive the fantasies of the next amateur
                    5. Bar2
                      Bar2 29 December 2019 11: 27 New
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                      Have you heard anything about the vertical air pressure gradient, or you have

                      you are talking nonsense, like all under-propaganda agitators, it’s disgusting to talk to you.
  2. slipped
    slipped 28 December 2019 13: 08 New
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    What are you talking about?


    ask Borisov what he’s talking about.


    And I do not need to ask, I already see what it is about. laughing

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    Quote: slipped
    Soyuz-2 "is a series of missiles based on the previously tested P7 layout, but with a digital control system, with a new engine and fairing at the third stage.


    lying again. Besides Soyuz21v with NK33 (did not know about it) all other Unions go with old RD107 / 108.


    What? laughing Firstly, the RD-107 and RD-108 are significantly boosted by new nozzle heads, i.e. the classic Soviet engine design was changed, secondly, on the full version of Soyuz-2.1b at the third stage and the light Soyuz-2.1b at the second stage there is the best specific impulse in the world, already created in Russia, an oxygen-kerosene engine 14D23, that is, RD-0124.

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    The fact that digital control systems do not already do analog ones,


    Clear. You are in the lamer control systems. You just do not know what SU missiles are.

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    Quote: slipped
    You don’t fumble in rockets either. Sadness. There is not about speed, but about the volume of PN.


    want to say that a rocket launched from a point closer to the equator does not use the speed of rotation of the earth? fool And this countergenesis is still arguing about something.


    No. I just want to tell you this, that the A5 (RB Briz-M) from Plesetsk displays fewer payloads at the NOO than the same A5 will output from Vostochny - 22,3 tons, against ~ 24 tons. If A5 is launched from the latitude of Florida, then ~ 26 tons can be withdrawn. Let me remind you that the A5 rocket is an environmental replacement for the heptyl Proton. In its future modified versions, it will be able to display from 28 to 37 tons into low Earth orbit. And this is a heavier tug and a large payload. That is why the Ministry of Defense wants to use this missile, as Borisov said.

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    How does this deny the regular launches of Soyuz-2.1v? By the way, after all the NK-33 reserves are exhausted, Soyuz-2.1v will land RD-181, which has already flown off qualification at Antares, oh sorry, RD-193


    this suggests that the Soviet Unions and Soviet engines alone provide the space program for this Putin Russia, and nothing is done in this Putin Russia itself.


    Are you working on a training manual? laughing Well, I'll disappoint you:

    1. RD-0124 for Soyuz-2 and its latest modifications for Angara and Soyuz-5 missiles - RD-0124A and RD-0124MS.



    2. RD-0162D2 - a 40-ton LNG engine as a prototype of promising 80-ton engines RD-169A and RD-169V.



    3. RD-0146 - an oxygen-hydrogen engine, for promising stages and booster blocks for A5V and STK.



    4. The prototype of the detonation engine with an annular combustion chamber. And these are generally the most advanced, truly unparalleled technologies in the world today.



    And I'm not talking about a new modification of the "Soviet RD-170" - the RD-171MV engine and its derivatives - the latest RD-180MV and RD-191M.
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      Bar2 28 December 2019 13: 54 New
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      What? First, RD-107 and RD-108 are significantly boosted by new nozzle heads, i.e. The classic Soviet engine design was changed


      traction gain between RD107 and RD107a -2.5 tons i.e. nothing

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      already created in Russia, the 14D23 oxygen-kerosene engine, that is, RD-0124.


      no, this engine was developed in the USSR and the fact that the engine for 30 years could not have been made not an achievement, but the shame of Putin's Russia.

      as for the detonation engine, this engine will NEVER be made, because the international corporations that the Russian government is currently working on are not interested in it. Or they will first do it in America, and then in Russia.

      For 30 years of neocapitalism in Russia, therefore, the regime has nothing to boast of, vast territories have been lost, 10 thousand plants have collapsed, and we fly into space thanks to Korolev.
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  • bk316
    bk316 28 December 2019 17: 17 New
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    Su 57 because of the failure of control systems, so there is one answer, there is American electronics.

    Nude nude, specifically, without the mysterious word "electronics".
    WHAT DOES THERE SPECIFICALLY THE AMERICAN WHICH HAS CAUSED TO FALL?
    Or just balabolite?
  • Most kind
    Most kind 27 December 2019 16: 11 New
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    TsENKI cannot build ahead of schedule, because it does not have the experience, heavy equipment for such construction, plus SK continues to identify thefts, so I think that unlike the special building they will not have time, it’s not for them to build a special building and take time with acceptance, here’s
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      slipped 28 December 2019 01: 15 New
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      TsENKI cannot build ahead of schedule,


      There PSO "Kazan" as a contractor. Is heavy equipment pictured?



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      plus SC continues to identify theft,


      all materials relate to the special construction period.
  • ultra
    ultra 27 December 2019 18: 06 New
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    Do not wait

    And you don’t even have to wait anymore. The space program has essentially already died. There are only dying convulsions left. We have not had science for a long time, except for individual bursts, the manned will die with the ISS.
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      slipped 27 December 2019 23: 47 New
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      Do not wait

      And you don’t even have to wait anymore. The space program has essentially already died. There are only dying convulsions left.


      We have over 25 launches next year. laughing

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      We haven’t had any scientific for a long time, with the exception of individual bursts,


      An interesting scientific program on the ISS, monitoring of space weather, an extensive astrophysical program on the Spectra, probing Mars from orbit, and after a year from the surface. Lunar program. In the future, work on Mercury (from the BepiColombo apparatus - our devices are on it) and Venus.

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      manned will die with the ISS.


      The ISS will fly until 2028. At least RS ISS for sure. laughing
  • Nick
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    When will it all end?


    Do not wait

    good good good hi
  • tracer
    tracer 27 December 2019 15: 08 New
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    Why trynd about yachts then? Did he himself count them? All recounted "there" to compare probably how many of those and these.
    What abilities ... Not at the rally. Just to blather hype yes louder. Let me remind you, friend, that in all cultures and civilizations of our planet. Is always !!!! Empowered people lived much richer than ordinary people. This is how the world works, so there is nothing to “shine” with discoveries here. I do not condone the embezzlers at all.
    1. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 27 December 2019 15: 38 New
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      Winter storm! Well, it wasn’t always that people "endowed with power lived much richer than ordinary people." There was even a party maximum in the USSR: Dzerzhinsky, for example, lived very modestly, but fought successfully with homelessness and put anyone who needed to the wall without fail. I’m for the officials to live MUCH richer than ordinary people, even if they had enough for Turkey, so that there was much to strive for materially, then things would go better.
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        tracer 27 December 2019 16: 42 New
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        How much is the history of the USSR? And how much is the history of civilization? Did not compare?
      2. hydrox
        hydrox 27 December 2019 16: 42 New
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        You will not succeed in talking with the tracer: he has a liberoid worldview, but you have a productive one, i.e. any kind and type of activity tied to receiving a socially significant surplus product (service), part of which will fall into your pocket.
        ANY stable and sustainable society has just such an algorithm of existence and functioning.
        1. tracer
          tracer 27 December 2019 17: 43 New
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          You just don’t speak for me and don’t hang me a shortcut. I completely define your definitions on the side. I just do not like those who have completely survived from the modern type of arbiters, who are always aching and always displeased. Tighten another favorite song about pension reform.
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      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS 27 December 2019 20: 04 New
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        Well, it wasn’t always that people "endowed with power lived much richer than ordinary people"

        The phrase “Servant of the people” always led me into a stupor. The logical question is, how can a servant live better than those he serves? In my opinion there is a certain mockery of people.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 27 December 2019 15: 51 New
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      Is always !!!! Empowered people lived much richer than ordinary people.

      Once, one person in power, asked Stalin for an apartment. Then he asked for an apartment for the mother-in-law. After the third time he asked for an apartment for someone else, he was no longer seen in the Kremlin.
      1. tracer
        tracer 27 December 2019 16: 45 New
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        Yes, you already got Stalin, this is not an example and not an indicator. Stalin is the epoch! And there is nothing to put it every time as an example for any reason. NO IT AND WILL NOT BE MORE. EQUAL AS AND THIS EPOCH. And stop whining about how you all cheated and deceived. It is just like you who mostly climbed the barricades in the 90s. All you owed then.
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        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 27 December 2019 17: 04 New
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          It is just like you who mostly climbed the barricades in the 90s.

          Just like you climbed, they throated their throats, and then they screwed them up over canada.
          1. tracer
            tracer 27 December 2019 17: 46 New
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            I have done enough for my fatherland. Why do I have the reward of statehood and you do not blame me. Are you barring your worthlessness in my example? Here my friend is mistaken. There is nothing to be proud of in life, unlike you dull.
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              Leshy1975 27 December 2019 18: 59 New
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              I have done enough for my fatherland. Why do I have the reward of statehood and you do not blame me. Are you barring your worthlessness in my example? Here my friend is mistaken. There is nothing to be proud of in life, unlike you dull.

              I don’t know, of course, for what you personally were awarded and what award. But in our country, both Chubais and V. Soloviev and even Mutko (for achievements in sports, which were then wrapped in a white flag) also have state. awards. And the list of such dubious awards oh how long.
              Therefore, the presence of a state award is not a sign that automatically makes you better than others. Everything is very individual here.
              And for example, Lev Y. Rokhlin, Lieutenant General, one of the leaders of the storming of Grozny in 1994; in January 1995, refused the highest honorary title of Hero of the Russian Federation, stating that "he has no moral right to receive this award for military operations in the territory of his country."
              And even Solzhenitsyn, although he was kindly treated by the current government, at one time managed to show integrity and in December 1998 refused to accept the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called, making the following statement: “I can’t accept the award from the supreme power that brought Russia to its present disastrous state” .
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                I don’t know, of course, for what you personally were awarded and what award.

                The reward for is, "Internet Hero of Honor." Again it brings in the corners.
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              For what statehood award I have not to reproach you.

              Could it be an award for strengthening statehood, or a state award? Only if you take into account that the times of the USSR there were no awards for participating in internal conflicts ... But you won’t earn even a “Order of the Sutuly” in a bread slicer. There were awards in 21 ODSHBR, but not military, for Spitak and Leninakan. Again the "Tracer" myo box office ...
        3. ccsr
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          And stop whining about how you all cheated and deceived. It is just like you who mostly climbed the barricades in the 90s. All you owed then.

          I agree, everything was just that. And now, when the train was long gone, they suddenly remembered Stalin, although who prevented them from going to the CPSU themselves and changing it in an evolutionary way during the late USSR.
    3. Bar2
      Bar2 27 December 2019 16: 34 New
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      Is always !!!! Empowered people lived much richer than ordinary people. This is how the world works


      No, of course, the world is not arranged like this, your people are criminals and thieves in power.
      1. tracer
        tracer 27 December 2019 16: 49 New
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        Tell me that you have never taken out electrodes from work, or nuts, or clothes, or products from a warehouse. Let’s say that they’ve never done it before. And even in childhood, apples were not stolen ...
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 29 December 2019 12: 32 New
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          It’s one thing to steal an apple, and a completely different thing is a pension from the whole country for 5 years to steal.
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 28 December 2019 11: 56 New
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        no, of course, the world is not arranged so

        This is you Trump and his "honest" friend Manafort tell:
        Former head of Trump's campaign headquarters, Paul Manafort, will spend almost four years in prison and will be required to pay a fine of $ 50 and recover $ 24 million in damages.

        And there are millions of such examples all over the world, so the world is designed exactly like that, as I proved to you tracer
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 29 December 2019 12: 33 New
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          And what did Brezhnev personally steal from work?
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            ccsr 29 December 2019 12: 46 New
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            And what did Brezhnev personally steal from work?

            In general, Brezhnev can be canonized and canonized — he has left millions of dollars in accounts with none of his children. But then the USSR did not live like the whole world, then we had a different morality — do you even understand this difference?
    4. Стена
      Стена 27 December 2019 16: 46 New
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      Let us congratulate our advanced workers in capitalist labor on a successful year:

      Vladimir Potanin
      Leonid Michelson
      Vagit Alekperov
      Gennady Timchenko
      Alexey Mordashov,

      This year they became richer by 1,667 trillion rubles.
      For comparison, the accumulation of all Russians in 2019 increased by 1,137 trillion rubles ...
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        Genry 27 December 2019 17: 39 New
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        This year they became richer by 1,667 trillion rubles.
        For comparison, the accumulation of all Russians in 2019 increased by 1,137 trillion

        Warm and soft ...
        Wealth and accumulation ....
        Some oligarchs generally live on credit - you do not need to pay taxes on savings.
      2. hydrox
        hydrox 27 December 2019 19: 00 New
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        Our wishes to them with NG and let them still grab at our expense with you, stand in their throat (into which the bulldozer can enter!) And they will soon suffocate from greed! laughing
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 29 December 2019 12: 37 New
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          And my wishes to them with NG and let the country quickly elect a new president who will finally ask them, "Where did you get the money, and explain how you made it?"
    5. New Year day
      New Year day 27 December 2019 17: 31 New
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      Quote: tracer
      Empowered people lived much richer than ordinary people.

      one clarification, they didn’t steal it.
      1. “Billionaire Liu Han was found guilty under 13 articles of the PRC criminal code. Hanlong Group, which Liu Han founded in 1997 and became one of the largest suppliers of iron ore in the world, was fined 300 million yuan (3,1 billion rubles) at the same time for providing incorrect information for obtaining bank loans. The investigation established that one of the richest people in China secretly led a large criminal group engaged in murders, illegal casinos and arms trafficking. Four people from his inner circle were executed along with Liu Han. ”
      2. The largest corruption scandal in the history of FIFA erupted in late May 2015. The Swiss authorities have arrested several senior officials of the football organization on charges of corruption. 14 major officials were charged with money laundering, embezzlement, match-fixing and other crimes. Moreover, impunity lasted almost 24 years, according to investigation documents. Because of the scandal, FIFA President Joseph Blatter resigned. In addition to him, UEFA President Michel Platini lost his post.
      3. In 2012, the FBI discovered an amazing scam in its scope. The head of the financial service of Dickson (Illinois), Rita Crandwell, for seven years annually stole more than 9% of the city budget. As a result, the lady profited by almost $ 30 million. The fraudster was sentenced to severe punishment - 22 years in prison.
      For 2019, the Russian Federation takes 138th place in the corruption perception rating, gaining 28 points. There has been a deterioration in positions over the past 3 years.
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        tracer 27 December 2019 17: 48 New
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        Well, so what? What does this prove? What are all the criminals and thieves and you are Dartaryan? What does this prove? You see, the world has long been different in it the poles are not as pronounced as before. Here is "these white these are red." I understand that thinking in binary thinking of the simplest you cannot draw other conclusions. For criminals, there is a criminal or administrative code.
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          New Year day 27 December 2019 20: 39 New
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          Well, so what? What does this prove?

          proves that there is a punishment, but not in our case. Take the last case: the former Minister of Finance of the Moscow Region stole 14 billion, he was given 14 years, but they counted the time of sitting under investigation. They didn’t confiscate anything! Let’s take Vasilyeva; they apologized altogether and returned everything.
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  • Cananecat
    Cananecat 27 December 2019 15: 18 New
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    It will end when once again they raise the pitchfork. And since a re-assault of the Winter Palace is not expected, in view of the museums of the famous cruiser, this will continue until they begin to remove from the post with confiscation of all property ... well, or execution.
  • Maz
    Maz 27 December 2019 16: 23 New
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    "Maybe I will give out a certain kind of secret. In December, at the Sochi meetings, where we seriously discussed the state of the space group in the interests of the Ministry of Defense, there was a very tough, serious conversation"that is, before that, since the creation of the group, they were kidding, joking, playing, relaxing, doing personal construction, but just not seriously engaged in grouping, but here they seriously decided to talk ... shame he’d better not say anything
  • astepanov
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    D. Batutovich R. will be removed with entry?

    ... with an entry to an even higher position? How muddy? No, citizens, journalist philosophers with a doctorate in technical sciences are piece goods. Less commonly, only pianist presidents. No matter how appointed his successor, God forbid, following the example of neighbors from the "fraternal country."
  • Dreamboat
    Dreamboat 27 December 2019 23: 43 New
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    Borisov can only make a helpless gesture and say what has not been done again. He himself does not want to answer for anything and does not even try to delve into.
    Fail-safe start-ups this is not a small achievement, especially after several years of constant problems. Not Borisov would have to scoff about it. The east is built, the little things are finished (there are friends who are there for work). At the Omsk Flight, the electroplating workshop was launched ... And every year only optimists can wait for a “breakthrough”.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 29 December 2019 12: 44 New
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      And was there at least one breakthrough in the last 20 years? Hitler communists won - this is a breakthrough. They did the same bomb - this is a breakthrough, flew into space - this is also a breakthrough. And where are the liberal democrats similar breakthroughs?
  • Twodi
    Twodi 28 December 2019 00: 08 New
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    While the management of the factories and design bureaus will put sons of all sorts of plundering the country, no other results are expected. What is the son of Rogozin a genius to be vice president of the KLA in 30 years? While all posts are appointed only for the surname and relationship, we will continue to roll in the ass!
  • pmkemcity
    pmkemcity 27 December 2019 13: 35 New
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    But what about the lunar station, like 2 places in the Unions? It’s unforgivable for the Deputy Prime Minister not to notice such successes.
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      But what about the lunar station, like 2 places in the Unions? It’s unforgivable for the Deputy Prime Minister not to notice such successes.

      What is the success, Rogozin expressed a desire to return to negotiations on participation in the American lunar station and Rogozin promised NASA two places on the "Union"? It seems more like that at first he tried to bargain (he stated that there were no more places on Soyuz and there would be no participation in the station on unequal conditions), but then he saw that the partners were not running into his arms, and returned everything as it was.
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        What is the success, Rogozin expressed a desire to return to negotiations on participation in the American lunar station


        The funny thing about this phrase is “expressed a desire to return” - we never refused any negotiations. Constantly, as we concluded a memorandum of understanding on this issue, we are talking about the truly international status of this facility. However, Americans also declare internationality. But they understand the concept of "international" somewhat differently.

        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
        and Rogozin promised NASA two places on the "Union"?


        For a lot of money. laughing

        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
        More like ...


        Do they have a choice? laughing
        1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich
          Vyacheslav Viktorovich 27 December 2019 17: 52 New
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          The funny thing about this phrase is “expressed a desire to return” - we never refused any negotiations.
          MOSCOW, Sep 22 - RIA News. The head of Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, said that the Russian side will not take part in a joint project with the United States near the moon station, The Gateway, under the conditions that the Americans offer.

          "The Russian Federation cannot afford to participate in secondary roles," he said.
          https://ria.ru/20180922/1529135782.html

          There is not a word in the news about the return to the negotiations that the proposed conditions have somehow changed.

          Quote: slipped
          Constantly, as we concluded a memorandum of understanding on this issue, we are talking about the truly international status of this facility. However, Americans also declare internationality. But they understand the concept of "international" somewhat differently.
          Lunar Gateway is currently not an object, but a project. And this is entirely a NASA project, so other participants in it will either be on NASA terms, or not at all. Or you can do your project on your own terms, no one bothers you.

          Quote: slipped
          For a lot of money. laughing
          Only the news of the purchase is not heard. Only Rogozin’s words are heard “we made a principled decision to provide NASA with space on our ships.”

          Quote: slipped
          Do they have a choice? laughing
          So far, I only see Rogozin running around and running, trying to sell himself better.
          1. slipped
            slipped 27 December 2019 18: 34 New
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            Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
            The head of Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, said that the Russian side will not take part in a joint project with the United States near the moon station The Gateway on the conditions that the Americans offer.

            "The Russian Federation cannot afford to participate in secondary roles," he said. [/ I]
            https://ria.ru/20180922/1529135782.html

            There is not a word in the news about the return to the negotiations that the proposed conditions have somehow changed.


            And what RIA we have an official representative of Roscosmos or NASA? laughing

            But there were still no negotiations. Take the time to watch a plenary session on the topic at the International Astronautical Congress in the USA. Krikalev outlines everything there in detail.

            Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
            Lunar Gateway is currently not an object, but a project. And this is entirely a NASA project, so other participants in it will either be on NASA terms, or not at all. Or you can do your project on your own terms, no one bothers you.


            Add IMHO to your speech.

            Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
            Only the news of the purchase is not heard. Only Rogozin’s words are heard “we made a principled decision to provide NASA with space on our ships.”


            And, you don’t know that all the places for foreign astronauts on the Union of MS are sold? lol Well, I’ll educate you that the Americans and their satellites pay more than $ 70 million to launch their astronaut to the ISS.

            Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
            So far, I only see Rogozin running around and running, trying to sell himself better.


            Running and fussing here so far only you. laughing And we are engaged in launches.
            1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich
              Vyacheslav Viktorovich 27 December 2019 20: 44 New
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              Quote: slipped
              And what RIA we have an official representative of Roscosmos or NASA? laughing
              No, the official representative of Roscosmos is Rogozin, and RIA is the Russian state news agency. Was this the most convincing objection you could come up with?

              Quote: slipped
              But there were still no negotiations. Take the time to watch a plenary session on the topic at the International Astronautical Congress in the USA. Krikalev outlines everything there in detail.
              Not too lazy. Rogozin’s application to refuse participation 1) more relevant in time 2) comes from a person in a higher position.

              Quote: slipped
              Add IMHO to your speech.
              Reread Rogozin's statement and try to answer two questions: 1) who makes the conditions 2) who either agrees to the conditions put forward, or leaves the project. And then fold two and two.

              Quote: slipped
              And, you don’t know that all the places for foreign astronauts on the Union of MS are sold? lol
              I know. So where is the news about NASA buying seats at the Soyuz in 2020 and 2021?
              1. slipped
                slipped 27 December 2019 22: 05 New
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                Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                No, the official representative of Roscosmos is Rogozin, and RIA is the Russian state news agency. Was this the most convincing objection you could come up with?


                This is regular media with news such as OBS. And official statements are usually documented or in the form of an informational message on the organization’s official website.

                Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                Rogozin’s application to refuse participation 1) more relevant in time 2) comes from a person in a higher position.


                Show a link to an official document or a message about the "refusal", for example, it could be a letter to NASA on a subject. But no? lol Mlyn. Oh, sir? the same thing. laughing

                Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                1) who makes the conditions; 2) who either agrees to the conditions put forward, or leaves the project. And then fold two and two.


                What conditions? What are you speaking about? laughing While there is one blah blah blah. And from all sides. Didn’t you understand this? laughing There is only a preliminary agreement with NASA on a joint study of the project, formal negotiations are yet to come. And by agreement, we offer for this station our specialized docking and lock module for our own transport system.

                Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                I know. So where is the news about NASA buying seats at the Soyuz in 2020 and 2021?


                Statement by Gary Jordan, NASA spokesman for the ISS on November 20 this year: "NASA intends to acquire additional space on the Soyuz to ensure a permanent US presence on board the ISS," "Talks between NASA and Roscosmos are still ongoing."

                In the meantime, on April 9, 2020, astronaut Christopher John Cassidy flies to Soyuz MS-16 TPK. For money. laughing
                1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                  Vyacheslav Viktorovich 27 December 2019 23: 17 New
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                  Quote: slipped
                  And official statements are usually documented or in the form of an informational message on the organization’s official website.

                  As for participation in the Deep Space Gateway: if this is a purely American project, and everyone else should be "on the fly", then we are not interested. We are ready only for equal cooperation.
                  https://www.roscosmos.ru/25418/

                  Quote: slipped
                  Statement by Gary Jordan, NASA spokesman for the ISS on November 20 this year: "NASA intends to acquire additional space on the Soyuz to ensure a permanent US presence on board the ISS," "Talks between NASA and Roscosmos are still ongoing."
                  Please confirm with a link to an official document or informational message on the official website of the organization. You will not refuse to comply with the established standards of credible information, right?
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                    slipped 28 December 2019 00: 01 New
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                    Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                    As for participation in the Deep Space Gateway: if this is a purely American project, and everyone else should be "on the fly", then we are not interested. We are ready only for equal cooperation.https://www.roscosmos.ru/25418/


                    Of course. I told you about this. lol And Krikalev said this recently at the congress. This is constantly being said. What confuses you with this? It is about such our participation that they are going to conduct future negotiations.

                    Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                    Please confirm with a link to an official document or informational message on the official website of the organization.


                    You have the link above for an interview for TASS, reprinted on the Roskosmos website in the Interview section. In turn, as I understand it, do you trust TASS?
                    Then here - https://tass.ru/kosmos/7156765 Quote: "Gary Jordan told a TASS correspondent on Tuesday."
                    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                      Vyacheslav Viktorovich 28 December 2019 00: 20 New
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                      Quote: slipped
                      What confuses you with this?

                      It bothers me that the discussion is ahead of whether Roskosmos will be in the wings, or if he is not interested. But will NASA be in the wings, or is she not interested. From this, it is easy to guess who determines the conditions for participation in the project, and who accepts or rejects them along with participation in the project.

                      Quote: slipped
                      You have the link above for an interview for TASS, reprinted on the Roskosmos website in the Interview section. In turn, as I understand it, do you trust TASS?
                      Then here - https://tass.ru/kosmos/7156765 Quote: "Gary Jordan told a TASS correspondent on Tuesday."
                      No, please, on the official website of the organization. Even if it contains a reprint from TASS in the "interview" section, but the site should be official.
                      1. slipped
                        slipped 28 December 2019 00: 45 New
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                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        Quote: slipped
                        What confuses you with this?
                        It bothers me that the discussion is ....


                        Well, I didn’t even doubt it. laughing As I understand it, you personally are against any discussions about cooperation in space?

                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        From this, by simple conclusions, it follows who sets the conditions for participation in the project, and who accepts or rejects them along with participation in the project.


                        So there was no negotiation, what are the conclusions then? laughing Your conclusions are forks on the water.

                        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        No, please, on the official website of the organization. Even if it contains a reprint of TASS in the interview section, but the site should be official.


                        So I gave you a link to the official website of the organization, in this case TASS, whose employee Gary Jordan was informed in an interview. What are you talking about? Do you deny such an employee in NASA (https://twitter.com/g2nasa) or are you already carrying out a blizzard?
                      2. Vyacheslav Viktorovich
                        Vyacheslav Viktorovich 28 December 2019 07: 26 New
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                        Quote: slipped
                        This is regular media with news such as OBS. And official statements are usually documented or in the form of an informational message on the organization’s official website.

                        Quote: slipped
                        So I gave you a link to the official website of the organization, in this case TASS

                        There is no sense to talk further.
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                        There is no sense to talk further.


                        Probably. I see that you do not know why and how they differ in the presentation of TASS and RIA news. laughing
  • Avior
    Avior 27 December 2019 13: 37 New
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    that is not the day, then the news ....
    by the end of the year they were preparing ....
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 27 December 2019 14: 59 New
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      Quote: Avior
      by the end of the year they were preparing ....

      By the end of the end they are getting ready ... is it not clear here?
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    Avior 27 December 2019 13: 37 New
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    that is not the day, then the news ....
    by the end of the year they were preparing ....
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 27 December 2019 15: 18 New
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      Quote: Avior
      that is not the day, then the news ....
      by the end of the year they were preparing ....

      I read a piece of news that from 01.01.2020 Russia introduces a tax on bicycles. Is it fake or is it true?
      1. depressant
        depressant 27 December 2019 18: 03 New
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        It's true. Beneficiary - Swiss citizen Usmanov. The message passed on Yandex just the other day.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 27 December 2019 19: 47 New
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          Quote: depressant
          Beneficiary - Swiss citizen Usmanov.

          So he is a resident of Switzerland, which means taxes in Russia bye-bye. Well settled guys from Central Asia.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 27 December 2019 13: 38 New
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    Bad, very bad! And this is against the backdrop of news about Chinese successes in the construction of destroyers. It's a shame for the country, just a shame!
  • prior
    prior 27 December 2019 13: 41 New
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    "Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov, who oversees the defense and space sectors, said that the renewal of the military space group in 2019 was disrupted."

    I hope so. salaries of industry leaders and effective managers will not suffer much from this .....
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 27 December 2019 13: 57 New
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      Quote: prior
      "Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov, who oversees the defense and space sectors, said that the renewal of the military space group in 2019 was disrupted."

      I hope so. salaries of industry leaders and effective managers will not suffer much from this .....

      Be calm, their salaries are only growing .. and of course the fair question is - what do they pay for? After all, if we say a bricklayer or a milling machine worker will constantly make a marriage .. then it’s understandable that he won’t obviously grow and he’s unlikely to work for a long time in this place .. But here the laws of the market apparently do not work .. apparently the president really believes that works with the most professional staff and they can’t find a replacement in all of Russia ..
      1. Errr
        Errr 27 December 2019 14: 16 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        ... you see, the president really believes that he is working with the most professional personnel and they cannot be replaced in all of Russia ..
        This is just a tradition. Nothing new since the time of Sergei Vladimirovich Mikhalkov:
        The question with donkeys is clear, but not simple;
        You can take off the Donkey, since it is necessary, the skin
        And wind him a tail for all the mistakes,
        But if Donkey got into the nomenclature,
        Take out and give him a leadership position! laughing
        "Donkey in the cage", 1957.
        1. Fan-fan
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          God forbid, such a donkey as Dima Batutovich will determine the supreme successor, brrrr ... scary.
  • Victorio
    Victorio 27 December 2019 13: 42 New
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    one water, no specifics. if you have already begun to make excuses or stigmatize someone, then go ahead, you have the right as a leader, otherwise liberals, ill-wishers, dissatisfied and not-so-good will agree / think up / think up for you.
  • Invoce
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    Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov, who oversees the defense and space sectors, said that the renewal of the military space group in 2019 was disrupted. He spoke about this in an interview with Russia 24

    How to get ripped off ?? We have the most effective business managers.
    Serdyukov, Rogozin, Siluanov, Golikova, Skvortsova .....
    Who would have thought! Shuffle again! Skvortsov to RosKosmos, Rogozin to finance, and Serdyukov to healthcare !!!! good Golikov where? Let him be the vice premier and oversee the below named what yes And so as not to flinch - increase everyone's salary by 2! not 2 and a half times !!! yes
    1. Van 16
      Van 16 27 December 2019 15: 57 New
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      It’s possible in three, otherwise serious western companies will lead our successful and efficient ones .. smile
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 27 December 2019 17: 34 New
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      Quote: Invoce
      Golikov where?

      on nuclear power laughing
  • kubanec
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    News from the site Made with us: -------------- Today, December 27, at 02.11 Moscow time, the Rokot launch vehicle with 4 satellites on board, 3 satellites, was launched from the Plesetsk cosmodrome in the Arkhangelsk region Gonets-M communications and military satellite. The launch of the rocket and the launch of spacecraft into orbit took place as usual. The Breeze-KM overclocking unit is used .---------------
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 27 December 2019 13: 51 New
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      Quote: kubanec
      News from the site Made with us

      we’ll live right now!
    2. Same lech
      Same lech 27 December 2019 14: 09 New
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      Why the military manages to launch their satellites in a regular way ... why missiles with civilian satellites regularly fall for various reasons ... I just can not understand ...
      Ditch 19 satellites on November 28, 2017, when the Soyuz-2.1b rocket is launched, this should be tried hard.
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        I can’t understand this in any way ...


        Coincidence. This was the first launch of the Frigate booster block from a new spaceport in which a latent error appeared in the software algorithms. RB "Frigate", before the manifestation of this error, made about fifty successful launches earlier. For a long time, everything was fixed.
  • slipped
    slipped 27 December 2019 13: 47 New
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    Interestingly, where did the news about Rokot, which successfully started tonight, with four satellites went away? laughing



    This year Russia has 25 successful launches of space rockets out of 32 previously planned. Seven launches, some of them military, were postponed to the next year due to the unavailability of spacecraft.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 27 December 2019 13: 54 New
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      And this is an example of the opinion of one official.
      He believes that everything is lost, no success. Among them, too, there are all-wearers oddly enough.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 27 December 2019 17: 34 New
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        Quote: Mestny
        Among them, too, there are all-wearers oddly enough.

        or maybe adequate and understanding what is going on? laughing
    2. Mityay65
      Mityay65 27 December 2019 13: 54 New
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      belay An accident? “I don't think so!”
      P / S / Kindle anti-Rogozin moods by individual deputy prime ministers and websites ...
      1. slipped
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        Quote: Mityai65
        belay An accident? “I don't think so!”
        P / S / Kindle anti-Rogozin moods by individual deputy prime ministers and websites ...


        Attempts to launch the spacecraft, turning a blind eye to the shortcomings identified by the test results as before, are now being thwarted. Hence the delayed launches.
        1. hydrox
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          And Stalin would have been returned to this “sharashka” for courses of increasing responsibility and, of course, with demotion ... request
        2. karabass
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          So they wiser when they sat on my neck, shouted with good obscenities and demanded the almost impossible, I deliberately turned away when I saw that they were driving the marriage. So he taught fools to the best of their ability
      2. Aerodrome
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        This year Russia has 25 successful launches of space rockets out of 32 previously planned. Seven launches, some of them military, were postponed to next year due to the unavailability of spacecraft
        So far, we are still in the "troika", but not the first ones, the United States and China are ahead.
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          Quote: Aerodrome
          but not the first, the usa and china are ahead.


          China sharply increased the number of launches and reached the value of our launches in the zero years. The United States escaped due to private traders launching an Electron rocket from New Zealand. Next year, the number of Soyuz rocket launches is doubled.
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 29 December 2019 12: 55 New
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            In 2019, in terms of the number of launches, we came in second place, ahead of the Americans by 1 launch.
            (data from Wikipedia).
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              Quote: Fan-Fan
              In 2019, in terms of the number of launches, we came in second place, ahead of the Americans by 1 launch.
              (data from Wikipedia).


              Yes, 22 launches from their spaceports, versus the 21st from the United States, but this is if you do not take into account foreign launch operators - Kourou and New Zealand.
    3. 1536
      1536 27 December 2019 14: 04 New
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      So, 7 launches were not made. This is not one, not two, or even three, when due to negligence or idleness, plans are not fulfilled. Sorry, these are plans that are impossible to implement. The space industry is like that cow, even if you wind a tail around it or hang a wreath of daisies on its horns, it will not give more milk than it gives. Surprisingly, they reach the rank of generals, but think, excuse me, as warrant officers as part of their subordinate fuel and lubricant warehouse.
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 27 December 2019 14: 23 New
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        Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye! But the "effective" has its own logic ..... or rather its own exorbitant greed!
      2. slipped
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        So, 7 launches were not made.


        Part of the launches that moved to the next year are commercial. In particular, the serial launch of OneWeb space Internet satellites was previously planned for this year. The western manufacturer failed in time with the tests. The same thing with the commercial launches in 2019 of other spacecraft - Northrop Grumman and Airbus also delayed the production of their payload displayed by our launch vehicles, which led to a shift in the launch schedule.

        As for the military spacecraft, then everything is decided by the Defense Ministry. laughing
    4. Mordvin 3
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      This year Russia has 25 successful launches of space rockets out of 32 previously planned.

      It was promised 45.
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        It was promised 45.


        45 - this includes the launch of ICBMs produced at Roskosmos enterprises.

        To date, 10 such launches are known.
    5. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 27 December 2019 17: 03 New
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      ... Russia this year has 25 successful launches of space rockets from the previously 32 planned ....


      Hmm, I remember Rogozin said something else to the president: "At the beginning of the year, the head of Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, told President Vladimir Putin about the plan for 45 launches, but by the end of the year, Roscosmos announced that 25 starts had been completed."

      “Launch programs have been completed a little more than 50%” (c) Borisov.
      1. slipped
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        Quote: Aleksandr21
        Hmm, I remember Rogozin said something else to the president: "At the beginning of the year, the head of Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, told President Vladimir Putin about the plan for 45 launches, but by the end of the year, Roscosmos announced that 25 starts had been completed."


        It is explained above what the number of 45 - 32 launches of space rockets and 13 launches of ICBMs, which were collected and accompanied before the launch by Roscosmos, consisted of.

        As a result, for the year 2019:

        25 launches of space rockets
        5 launches of land-based ICBMs
        5 launches of ICBMs from submarines

        And this is from what got into the media laughing
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      Russia this year has 25 successful launches of space rockets out of 32 previously planned

      Yeah, except for the fact that all launches are on the legacy of the USSR. There are no Russian launch vehicles and are not expected in the foreseeable future.
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        Yeah, except for the fact that all launches are on the legacy of the USSR. There are no Russian launch vehicles and are not expected in the foreseeable future.


        In 2020, launches of the A5 missile from Plesetsk and the AIS of the Soyuz-5 engine of the first stage.
  • Loess
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    Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov, who oversees the defense and space sectors, said that the renewal of the military space group in 2019 was disrupted.
    Where did he look before? Curator...
  • Sitearvi
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    Every day it’s getting worse and worse, because the same deck is hanging out, and not one from this deck is not thrown out. They are all happy in this deck. Why bother working?
  • 1536
    1536 27 December 2019 13: 55 New
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    Self-critical: does the MO itself criticize itself for disrupting its own plans in space? How is hazing always to blame?
    1. Mityay65
      Mityay65 27 December 2019 13: 57 New
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      No ... this is MO as a hint - "Rogozin is to blame" fellow
      1. 1536
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        Ah, there it is! .. And instead of it, of course, there is already a “good man” in mind, so that everything is in one hand ... Now everything is clear.
  • MoJloT
    MoJloT 27 December 2019 13: 58 New
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    Borisov also criticized the Russian space industry as a whole
    He does not look particularly upset.
  • Comrade Michael
    Comrade Michael 27 December 2019 14: 02 New
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    Interestingly, what are the salaries of workers and engineers? And just do not tell me that a person needs 45-50 thousand rubles for complete happiness ... Something does not grow out of nothing.
    1. Ross xnumx
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      And just do not tell me that a person needs 45-50 thousand rubles for complete happiness ...

      We will not say anything, let the classics answer you:
      Show / Hide text

      laughing
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 29 December 2019 12: 59 New
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        Here is what I discovered on the net:
        In 2018, Rogozin earned 29,5 million rubles, or $ 460 thousand. At the same time, the annual salary of NASA executives does not exceed $ 250 thousand (approximately 16 million rubles).
        “With ordinary engineers, the situation is exactly the opposite. An engineer at NASA receives an average of $ 82 thousand per year, that is, 430 thousand rubles per month, and at the Russian company Roscosmos - 60 thousand rubles per month, ”the investigation said.
  • Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 27 December 2019 14: 09 New
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    I think if you delve into failure not only in the space sphere .....
  • VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 27 December 2019 14: 09 New
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    Secret information in the media? For treason - the term.
  • _TANKIST_
    _TANKIST_ 27 December 2019 14: 11 New
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    Our government, like a bad intestine, it constantly happens with and without a DISORDER!
  • spectr
    spectr 27 December 2019 14: 16 New
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    Instructions were given to create a commission, it is already working, and no later than January 20 will report to the president about the reasons that accompanied the disruption of these works

    Interestingly, does this mean that a command has been given to conduct the next rotation and now they will begin cleaning up the unnecessary ones?
    To develop such a document, it is necessary to attract a large number of people and analyze the situation at all levels (not only managerial ones, since there they can give an unreliable picture). And then, following the logic of “brought a problem - capture a solution”, we must offer ways to solve the problem. And you may have to answer for this decision in the future.
    I believe more that they will choose a "scapegoat" (everyone remembered Rogozin together) and try to hush up the "topic" before the presidential election.
  • Kibl
    Kibl 27 December 2019 14: 18 New
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    The best gift for Russians on New Year is to disperse the Russian cabinet. Most likely, you can leave someone but most .....
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      Vladimir61 27 December 2019 16: 36 New
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      Probably someone can be left but most .....

      Three (Shoigu, Borisov, Bortnikov), a revolutionary tribunal ....
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  • Azazelo
    Azazelo 27 December 2019 14: 23 New
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    maybe yes, and maybe disa, but in general anything can be .....
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 27 December 2019 14: 24 New
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    Give Rogozin a PM with one cartridge, and close it in the toilet. May he already act as a man of honor
    1. 1536
      1536 27 December 2019 14: 56 New
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      Yes, the German toilets simply got it: the sound of a voice is lowered or lowered, depending on whether the man is a woman or a woman. No tolerance. But with one cartridge they can’t be taken, here a sledgehammer is needed.
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        mikh-korsakov 27 December 2019 20: 32 New
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        Eugene! But in Germany, 5 floors are already quoted. Poor toilet designers, alas !!!
    2. Nord2015
      Nord2015 27 December 2019 15: 19 New
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      will miss
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        7,62h54 27 December 2019 15: 27 New
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        This one can. He dabbled in Macedonian like a dabbler. He shot himself in the leg.
        1. depressant
          depressant 27 December 2019 18: 14 New
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          About the toilet - great! Thank you colleagues! Laughed for a long time love
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        New Year day 27 December 2019 17: 36 New
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        will miss

        then help with pointing the sledgehammer to the lobeshnik
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 December 2019 14: 31 New
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    so the news has arrived. So the hangar is on, we are building a spaceport under the hangar, Proton is to be left, then Proton is flying, and the hangar is sucks. They promised to put HK33 on the Union, did not deliver, neither HK33, nor RD170, what are they pulling? Right now it’s necessary, there is no direct urine to make the Yenisei, although there is Energy.
    Here is Putin’s capitalism, but Putin’s Russia is ahead of the rest in terms of the number of yachts for a billion dollar soul. All that is good in this country is from the Great USSR, and these rulers can only share income among themselves.
    When will it all end?

    laughing Let's demonstrate the program laughing
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  • Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 27 December 2019 14: 40 New
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    "Effective managers and owners" again crap
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 27 December 2019 14: 43 New
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    Quote: Antidote
    Will organizational conclusions follow and D. Batutovich R. will be removed with the entry?

    As far as I remember, or in modern terms: EMNIP, the problem of the comos rests on the problem of the production of microelectronics. A special, "space" microelectronics capable of long and trouble-free operation in space. Such "space" chips are still
    recently purchased in the United States, but today they are not sold.
    Therefore, whoever you don’t put in the head, the problem, until the production of chips is adjusted, will not disappear.
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      asv363 27 December 2019 15: 14 New
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      And the United States bought them in China.
    2. Antidote
      Antidote 27 December 2019 17: 55 New
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      And all sarmatians with avant-gardes are stuffed with BISamy with punch cards?
      One thing is not clear to me why some countries developed from hoes to robots in 30 years, while others drove their citizens into the Stone Age with fairy tales
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        Svetlana 27 December 2019 18: 23 New
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        The problem actually exists, and to all, according to your words, Sarmatians and Vanguards, the requirements for protection from prolonged exposure to cosmic radiation and radiation are much, much smaller. If at all.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 27 December 2019 14: 59 New
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    When we sank to the bottom, we were knocked from below
  • Qwertyarion
    Qwertyarion 27 December 2019 15: 04 New
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    . by January 20, the reasons for the failure of work to upgrade the Russian group of military satellites will be reported

    And why only by the end of the year did it come to light?
    During the year, no one was interested in the progress of affairs?
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      7,62h54 27 December 2019 15: 28 New
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      The demographic pit is to blame
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        Great, colleague! love
  • BAI
    BAI 27 December 2019 15: 15 New
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    Work on the development of the Russian constellation of military satellites disrupted

    For some reason, not at all surprised. What else to expect from Rogozin and Co. Trampolines did not deliver the desired system.
  • kubanec
    kubanec 27 December 2019 15: 22 New
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    1. A trouble-free year.

    For the first time since 2009, all launches from our spaceports were completed successfully. We can only congratulate Roskosmos and wish that such an achievement become a tradition.

    2. The increase in the number of launches.

    This year, 22 space launches were made from our space centers - 5 more than last year and the maximum number for the last 4 years. I would like to hope that the “bottom” for launches is behind, especially since the implementation of the contract with OneWeb begins next year, and there is still work ahead on our own “Sphere”, as well as on “KUpol” and “Liana” systems in the interests of Moscow Region.

    It is also worth noting that out of 22 launches, only 2 were performed in the interests of foreign customers, with 1 launch being the launch of the EgyptSat-2 satellite, built by RSC Energia for Egypt, into orbit. That is, an increase in launches went to the development of its own orbital group.

    3. Spectrum-RG

    A significant event not only for Russian, but for the entire world science was the launch of the scientific satellite "Spectrum-RG" July 13, 2019 .----------------- From the site Made with us
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      It is also worth noting that out of 22 launches, only 2 were performed in the interests of foreign customers


      You have forgotten about the foreign melkosaty cluster launch from the "East". And also about three commercial launches from Kourou.
  • lopuhan2006
    lopuhan2006 27 December 2019 16: 12 New
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    And what will the director of the Trampoline Center say? After all, we will soon have a UAZ biathlon on the Moon ....
  • Udav kaa
    Udav kaa 27 December 2019 16: 16 New
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    and no later than January 20 will report to the president about the reasons that accompanied the disruption of these works

    Respect also told the truth .. And sometimes we like to cheat and shout cheers .... I hope the problem will be solved in a short time.!
  • Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 27 December 2019 16: 18 New
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    And why the official occupies this high position, since to understand the reasons for his idleness at the post, do you need a commission? What is this .... doing? To drive everyone, having previously driven through the investigation, court and debunking. Guilty to plant and dispossess. Loafers are just to drive.

    Four for before the end of the year sent a signal. Apparently, in order to signal that he worked in sweat all year? He covers his ass, ......!
  • exo
    exo 27 December 2019 16: 28 New
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    Import substitution did not take place. And on the site of the Svetlana buildings, in St. Petersburg, where microchips, etc. were manufactured, they intend to build a new residential complex.
  • senima56
    senima56 27 December 2019 16: 47 New
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    Until there is "personal responsibility" for the assigned direction, there will be no sense! It is necessary for the leader to feel that he will have to answer seriously! And then they will threaten with a finger .... and transfer from Roskosmos to Russian Railways or wherever!
  • Brancodd
    Brancodd 27 December 2019 16: 47 New
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    Borisov stubbornly seeks the resignation of Rogozin. This obviously became even in the summer when he tried to change the contractor in Vostochny. Lobbied a new version of the infamous Spetsstroy. Although I was well aware that the schedule is being maintained. It’s impossible to steal there, as all payments go through the treasury. Then Putin did not fall for it.
    Now this criticism is more than strange. There is a feeling that Borisov and those who stand behind him were waiting for failure at launches to the last. And when today the Messengers successfully launched into orbit in the last launch, they decided to catch on the number of launches.
    But in terms of the number of launches, we are ahead of the United States this year, although until the last month we went head to head. 25 of ours versus 21 in the USA. When was the last time? China has 34 launches, but 2 failures. As we have already reported here for the first time in ten years - a trouble-free year. Is it bad? Tell it to the European Space Agency with their Vega and ten launches. Rather, the year was relatively successful. Relative to previous
    So the thing is different. 24 year is coming. We must take control of all key positions, including Roscosmos. Rogozin for a significant part of the elite is not just a stranger, but a principal antagonist. It must be stripped with a wolf ticket. Remember Medvedev’s tantrum in June, when he literally squealed with a demand to plow, not to chat. Of course, he shouted at Rogozin. It is very funny to hear the demand to stop chatting from Medvedev .. It’s quite difficult for them to sew corruption to Rogozin. By the standards of officials of this level, he lives quite modestly. This is not difficult to verify. It remains to ascribe to him the failures of the industry, but these failures still need to be found and associated personally with Rogozin
    Roscosmos funding was cut exactly 2 times by the government in 2016.
    Mamut and his media resources are engaged in a targeted program to discredit Roscosmos in particular and Rogozin personally. Rambler and Lenta.ru begin as a rule. The rest pick up.
    In fact, signs of an improvement in the situation in Roscosmos began to appear even about a year before Rogozin arrived in Roscosmos. Over the past 2 years, the situation has gradually begun to improve. Rogozin was a good organizer. In my opinion, the new program is quite realistic and quite feasible with good governance, even taking into account the scarce resources allocated by the government. After 2 -3 years, this can give a result. Therefore, you need to remove it now. An approximate scheme was used during Putin’s hesitation - to appoint or not to appoint Glazyev as the head of the Central Bank. A powerful information attack - and now Nabiulina is the head of the Bank of Russia.
    1. Mityay65
      Mityay65 27 December 2019 22: 08 New
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      Roscosmos: 2019 results

      We will be on the moon! We will be on Mars! We will also be in the orbit of Jupiter! All will be!
      And in the Tycho Crater on the Moon, we’ll bury trolls and all-crawlers!
      Happy New Year! drinks
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 December 2019 16: 51 New
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    The most important secret of Russian space exploration has remained unsolved - who drilled the ISS? laughingI wonder why our current designers decided to copy American descent vehicles? laughing
    1. G. Georgiev
      G. Georgiev 27 December 2019 17: 05 New
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      Not a secret ... This is an American woman-cosmonaut because of the internal discomfort of the ISS associated with the monthly cycle of women. The name of the interview and recognition of this woman, saw last month, and she said that
      it is a kind of boycott.
  • G. Georgiev
    G. Georgiev 27 December 2019 16: 56 New
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    As it is. ". Work .. broken" .. Russia should be a leader in this space and technological field.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 December 2019 17: 00 New
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    The results of the year in space exploration ... A reprint from the SUN ... Author Jurgen ... Together with the Kuru cosmodrome there were only 25 launches of Russian missiles ... Maybe the lunar program is not just idle talk, as I thought at first ... At least preparations are underway and routine work on the project ... The situation in space is gradually improving. But someone will say in the comments with the story: "Evil Rogozin stole everything, but there are no achievements in space exploration!"
    In any case, the dogs bark, the caravan goes .. laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 December 2019 17: 06 New
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    On January 10, a working meeting was held between the specialists of Roscosmos and RSC Energia, as a result of which the development of the concept of a new transport system for manned flights to the orbit of the moon using the special version of the Soyuz MS spacecraft was started. Such a flight scheme of the new Soyuz, in which it will launch to the Moon from the orbit of the ISS, is preliminarily considered. The hover module of the new system will consist of the special version of the Soyuz MS spacecraft and the upper stage, which will be delivered to the ISS by two launches of the Soyuz-2.1a launch vehicles. The flight module will be assembled in space under the control of the crew of the ISS Russian segment.

    On January 14, 2019, RSC Energia presented the Soyuz spacecraft for flights to the Moon and all the necessary technical calculations to Roscosmos.

    To enable the Soyuz spacecraft to fly, it’s not enough to create a booster block that will send the ship to the Moon, one of the main problems is the need to develop a new thermal protection that will allow the ship to descend in the Earth’s atmosphere at the second cosmic speed upon returning from the Moon (11,2 kilometers per second). For the lunar version of the "Union" will also require new power supply systems, communications and life support. In addition, to ensure Soyuz’s flights to the moon, installation of star sensors, manual control devices, an evaporation system, additional engines and oxygen cylinders is required.

    On June 19, 2019, a researcher at the Central Scientific Research Institute of Engineering Maria Danilova told the Roskosmos television studio that the institute had begun the development of technology demonstrators for landing Russian cosmonauts on the moon.
  • bars1
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    As it is. ". Work .. broken" .. Russia should be a leader in this space and technological field.

    To do this, it should be in the top three in economics, at least in PPP.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 27 December 2019 17: 09 New
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    Developed reusable two-stage launch vehicle of the middle class. It is assumed that in the future it will be able to replace the Soyuz-2.1b launch vehicle.

    On September 26, 2019, a contract was placed on the government procurement website for the creation of a methane engine at the Voronezh KBHA with an initial (maximum) price of 765,78 million rubles with a completion date of November 15, 2021 (“Creating new generation rocket engines and basic elements of long-range propulsion propulsion systems deductions regarding the works of 2019-2021 ”; cipher of the SC NRC:“ DU SV ”(2021)). According to the terms of reference, the engine was named RD0177, thrust should be 85 tf, earth specific impulse - 312 s, and the mass should not exceed 2200 kg.

    To date, the RCC "Progress" has worked out the layout of the rocket and options for launch complexes for it. The new rocket, unlike Soyuz-2, will not have side blocks, but will receive a tandem scheme - one block at the first stage, one at the second, that is, the layout will look like Zenith. At the first and second steps, it is planned to use respectively the earth and high-altitude versions of the promising RD-0169 engine, the prototype of which received the RD-0177 index.

    In addition, work began on a promising overclocking unit. At the end of May 2019, a contract was placed on the government procurement website for the creation of a CVTK (“Creation of a complex of an oxygen-hydrogen booster unit (code for development work“ Dvina-KVTK ”)”). In 2019-2025, it is planned to spend a total of these works 9,1 billion rubles
  • Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 27 December 2019 17: 10 New
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    so the news has arrived. So the hangar is on, we are building a spaceport under the hangar, Proton is to be left, then Proton is flying, and the hangar is sucks. They promised to put HK33 on the Union, did not deliver, neither HK33, nor RD170, what are they pulling? Right now it’s necessary, there is no direct urine to make the Yenisei, although there is Energy.
    Here is Putin’s capitalism, but Putin’s Russia is ahead of the rest in terms of the number of yachts for a billion dollar soul. All that is good in this country is from the Great USSR, and these rulers can only share income among themselves.
    When will it all end?

    When this communist mess ended, turned and called the market. The official is not responsible for anything, and not only in our USSR-Russia. EVERYWHERE. For, because we appoint a parent, who is also appointed a parent. They all, all this pyramid, need not the results, but beautiful reports. So that the authorities used these reports in their excuses too. In case of failures, find the culprit below yourself, dumping everything on him. In the USSR, there was even a special structure to which all those who had stolen and failed were exiled. And who could not be touched by the udder, for they could tell such that ..... And this structure was called Trade Unions.
    Only the PARTICIPANT is responsible, not to the boss, he does not have it, but to the property itself. Burnt, and that's it, not everyone can rise again.
  • Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 27 December 2019 17: 16 New
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    Winter storm! Well, it wasn’t always that people "endowed with power lived much richer than ordinary people." There was even a party maximum in the USSR: Dzerzhinsky, for example, lived very modestly, but fought successfully with homelessness and put anyone who needed to the wall without fail. I’m for the officials to live MUCH richer than ordinary people, even if they had enough for Turkey, so that there was much to strive for materially, then things would go better.

    I will tell you a secret. EVEN KGB could not observe the behavior of party functionaries starting with the district level. For, this was regarded as an attempt on the authority of the Party. Reached a complete idiocy. Stealing to such an extent that it was no longer possible to shield, since you yourself will get dirty, at the beginning of the investigation, at first he was expelled from the Party, not even waiting for the verdict, and he went to the dock already non-partisan. So beautiful statistics were preserved that there was not a single one with a party card on the bunks. Petty theft, nesunov from the factory were judged. And they planted it. But the krupnyak, he was untouchable. Stop talking about the fact that Lenin had one cap. This abomination used the COUNTRY as its patrimony. Why would he have a palace? He already lived in the royal apartments in the Kremlin.
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      mikh-korsakov 27 December 2019 20: 01 New
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      Victor! Personally, I have never been a member of any party, which I am proud of. You replaced the RCP (b), the CPSU (b) with the late Communist Party Communist Party. With regard to corruption in the CPSU, if you are discussing it so professionally, it means you were allowed into it and familiarized with the facts, you know better, if not, then you are a gossip translator. As for the historical figures of the Leninist era, all my life they have been talking to me about all kinds of things, that I stopped believing in anyone, Putin’s estimates, as I don’t believe yours. I only know that the grandfather of my wife worked at the secretariat in Smolny before the government moved to Moscow. He worked in Leningrad at an arms factory, died in a blockade from starvation and wounds - he shared his ration with his mother-in-law. And I will not let anyone know his memory, and let them not sit down!
  • Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 27 December 2019 18: 02 New
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    and no later than January 20 will report to the president about the reasons that accompanied the disruption of these works

    Respect also told the truth .. And sometimes we like to cheat and shout cheers .... I hope the problem will be solved in a short time.!

    Of course, after all, on January 2, no one will know about it. That everything in the toilet failed. Therefore, there is an indulgence- "I warned." What did you do for a year? The creature.
  • Victor March 47
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    Until there is "personal responsibility" for the assigned direction, there will be no sense! It is necessary for the leader to feel that he will have to answer seriously! And then they will threaten with a finger .... and transfer from Roskosmos to Russian Railways or wherever!

    Until there is a dense landing of thieves, no matter who they are, with confiscation, not only from himself, but also from relatives, there will be no order. Putin SHOULD prove his involvement in such actions.
  • itarnmag
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    If there are no starts, then there are no accidents
  • Stakan-m
    Stakan-m 27 December 2019 19: 23 New
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    What can I say, criticism should be ..
    Now, of course, the howl will begin, that Roskosmos is solid thieves and in general you need to disperse them
    But it’s better for pensioners to pay money and create roads to Moscow, as it should (for NATO tank columns), the Germans complained))) ..
    Well, I'm exaggerating a little, but the devil knows them ..
    We will break through the men and to hell not our brother! hi
  • chistyakov.trofim
    chistyakov.trofim 27 December 2019 21: 46 New
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    So this is your task, Borisov, to organize the organization of work .. Uncle Vova, what will he plow for you? Make a daily work plan with a daily report, make a photo of the working day of all employees. in the most critical places put on-line cameras. In the 70s, I worked in an engineering office, which Lavrenti created and supervised during his lifetime. We had kulmans and steel suitcases and tubes, the deputy of our director-academician was a colonel-security officer, and the chief of OK was a colonel-security officer. Everything was done on time. Moreover, they have not even begun to work on some of the developments today - they are in the cache.