Polish demographers: If Poland remains in the XXII century, then, possibly, without Poles

In Poland, two main news items were identified. First: statements by the President of Russia about how the Polish authorities in 1938 were engaged in aiding Hitler and supported the expulsion of Jews from Europe to Africa. The second is the publication of Polish demographers on the situation with demographic prospects in the country.

The demographic situation remains difficult for almost all European countries, and for Russia too. However, all the while, Poland has remained the state where the authorities were actually not ready to recognize demographic problems.

In the edition Gazeta Wyborcza published material by Tomas Ulanovsky, in which he reveals the scale of the problem. The material caused a discussion.

Excerpts are given from a study by demographic experts who note that the country's population has been falling for the 7th consecutive year. At the same time, record mortality rates for the country are recorded - about 11 people per thousand. The last time such mortality in Poland was recorded in the post-war period - from 1946 to 1952, when high mortality was called the "echo of war".

The author notes that the average fertility of Polish women (giving birth to children throughout life) decreased to 1,45 (in 2017). Data for 2018 is even lower.

From an article by Ulanovsky:

If Poland remains in the XXII century, then it probably will no longer be Poles. The population of Poland is declining. So, by 2045, the population will be at best 73% of what is now.

Currently, about 38,5 million people live in Poland.

Speaking about problems of this nature in Poland, one cannot but consider the situation in Russia, it should be noted that in our country the population has been falling for the second year in a row. This is if we talk about the total data. If we take into account exclusively natural growth (fertility and mortality without taking into account migration and other factors - such as reunification with Crimea in 2014), then after three years of such growth in the Russian Federation, the “natural” population decline is recorded for the 4th consecutive year. The total mortality rate exceeds Poland by about 1,3 points; it also exceeds the total birth rate in our country by 1,4 points (1000 births per 11 people, 12,4 die). The only plus (if you can call it that) that applies to demography is that absolute numbers of abortions are recorded in Russia in 2018 and 2019: if in 1993 the number of recorded abortions was about 3,2 million, then in 2018 and 2019 years - about 500 thousand. However, these figures, of course, still remain huge for our country.

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[Star Destroyer]

But the Russophobic Polska then rots and bends, after Germany.
How good it is to live in Russia, soon all the enemies of the motherland will naturally degenerate, you just have to wait!

[Aerodrome]

maybe this should bother?:

Russia continues to accelerate on its way to the demographic pit. According to the results of 7 months of 2018, the natural population decline reached 170 thousand people and was a record for 10 years. In the whole country, mortality exceeded the birth rate by 1,2 times, but at the level of individual regions the statistics are close to a demographic catastrophe. In every third Russian region, people die 1,5-2 times more than they are born.

[ugol2]

In the whole country, mortality exceeded the birth rate by 1,2 times, but at the level of individual regions the statistics are close to a demographic catastrophe.

And if you make a sample by nationality?
I'm interested in Russians. I'm afraid that the picture will be even sadder.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: ugol2

And if you make a sample by nationality?
I'm interested in Russians. I'm afraid that the picture will be even sadder.

"don't go to the grandmother."

[kapitan92]

Quote: Aerodrome

Quote: ugol2

And if you make a sample by nationality?
I'm interested in Russians. I'm afraid that the picture will be even sadder.

"don't go to the grandmother."

[Mordvin 3]

Statistics of the Russian Federation does not take into account nationality. She has everything - daragy Rassiyan.

[kapitan92]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Statistics of the Russian Federation does not take into account nationality. She has everything - daragy Rassiyan.

Alas! And yet, this is the population of.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: kapitan92

Alas! And yet, this is the population of.

However, I would also like to know:

Quote: ugol2

And if you make a sample by nationality?
I'm interested in Russians.

Somewhere in Wik it came across that statistics on nationalities have not been kept since 2007.

[kapitan92]

The echo of Yeltsin’s rule, when the birth rate plummeted with an unprecedentedly abnormal increase in mortality. That small generation, born in the "dashing 90s", itself becomes a parent.

According to NATO experts, the number of inhabitants of Russia by 2035 will be reduced by about 11 million.

Other disturbing facts were voiced in the report. According to the estimates of Western demographers, the population of Primorye, the Far East, Eastern Siberia, the European North, as well as the adjacent North-East of the Russian Federation, the historical areas of the Russian ethnos, decreased by 1992 million since 7. These processes will continue even more intensively in 2019-2035.

So far, the Russians remain the most numerous people of the Russian Federation, leaving behind all other nationalities and nationalities combined. However, the trend for the Russian ethnic group is unfavorable. According to estimates by NATO demographic consultants, in 1989 there were almost 120 million Russians, in 2010 111 million, in 2020 there will be 103 million, and in 2025 less than 98 million people.

https://www.yktimes.ru/новости/v-rossii-vyimirayut-russkie/

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: kapitan92

According to estimates by NATO demographic consultants, in 1989 there were almost 120 million Russians, in 2010 111 million, in 2020 there will be 103 million, and in 2025 less than 98 million people.

I wonder how NATO determines where Russian, and where Tatar? According to the DNA that they steal from us?

[kapitan92]

Quote: Mordvin 3

I wonder how NATO determines where Russian, and where Tatar? According to the DNA that they steal from us?

They do not steal. We donate blood in Invitro.
Among the beneficiaries of Invitro, except for Alexander Ostrovsky, - Russia Partners fund, however the company does not disclose the size of shares and the names of other co-owners

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: kapitan92

They do not steal. We donate blood in Invitro.

There is one, and not far from home, I walk by almost every day. I only doubt the accuracy of the results by nationality. For example, I have never seen a Gypsy go there, or some Uzbeks. Moreover, here is the tip:

analysis that takes 1 minute (bleeding rate and clotting time) and does not require any reagents, which in other paid clinics costs 100 rubles, they cost 890 rubles !!
They substantiate this by the fact that blood is being transported to Moscow (regardless where they collect it, even in Kamchatka).

Yes, almost no one goes there.

[kapitan92]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Yes, almost no one goes there.

The number of patients who go through the ward daily is critical to business. According to Invitro estimates, the average attendance at their medical office is 35 people, in the Hemotest it is about 20, but in practice it is extremely difficult to calculate the number of visits in advance. “The Hemotest had a point in Kaluga, where 120 people were there every day - people couldn’t stand it, tried as quickly as possible to open another department to make it easier to work,” says Kazakov, Zelenograd franchisee of the Hemotest. But, according to him, this is more likely an exception: there are situations when attendance does not exceed 15 people per day, which significantly increases the payback period of investments.

https://www.rbc.ru/ins/own_business/12/01/2016/569399179a79475d54dd151d

Quote: Mordvin 3

There is one, and not far from home, I walk by almost every day. I only doubt the accuracy of the results by nationality.

I have 3 "offices" nearby. Sometimes I apply when they are "put in a queue" for a couple of weeks in the district, but I urgently need to get a result.
DNA! There are many offices in Russia. A couple of years ago, the FSB was very interested in the activities of this office, but then everything died out. I was not surprised!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: kapitan92

Sometimes I apply when they are "put in a queue" for a couple of weeks in the district, but I urgently need to get a result.
DNA! There are many offices in Russia. A couple of years ago, the FSB was very interested in the activities of this office, but then everything died out.

Spies are sitting under the very nose, and the population itself is carrying these fingers to injections and carrying money.

[kapitan92]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Spies are sitting under the very nose, and the population itself is carrying these fingers to injections and carrying money.

This is the reality! Reformers from "medicine" work., There is no choice, and sometimes it is better to pass there than to wait in the district clinic for a queue. Somehow I waited for an ultrasound scan for two weeks, and in INVITRO 2,5 tr and no problem.
But "golikoskvortsovy", they sing songs, every week in a zombie, as we "stepped far" in the field of free medicine.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: kapitan92

But "golikoskvortsovy", they sing songs, every week in a zombie, how we "went far" in the field of free medicine

Here, for nurses, the salary from 6 thousand was increased to 10. True, the allowances were reduced by 80%, but this is already so, the little things ...

[Sergej1972]

Many peoples of the Russian Federation have a worse situation than Russians. For example, the Russian Finno-Ugric peoples.

[Plantagenet]

“A modern person does not at all imagine himself at the head of a large family.

The main misfortune of Russia in the XX century is that the most important thing for the people and the state was dropped into the category of "social sphere". But the main task of Russia can be defined with just one word - motherhood. Russia needs Russian women to give birth to many healthy children. Everything else is contributing elements: living standards, inflation, job supply, technology and science, manufacturing, government building, culture, defense, health, environment, architecture, education. All this should be at the service of Russian motherhood. "

Paul Khlebnikov "A Conversation with a Barbarian"

[Kronos]

Women are the same people as men, therefore it is up to them to give birth or not to give birth

[tracer]

No, not them, or rather, not really. The state invests in women no less than in men. But no one will do for women what only she is capable of. Therefore, the protection of the state is the duty of men, and procreation in the state is the duty of women. Without motherhood, affection, attention, a woman is an unnecessary competitor in the struggle for survival. How to make families stronger - CANCEL ALIMENTS! Zhirinovsky is right in this. It came from the west, even if it remains, we will figure it out ourselves.

[Kronos]

Og and wives abandoned with children do not pay anything

[awdrgy]

And the task of a man is to protect his wife and children (for that, the power is given to him) Threw it, too, went against nature And as you know that you sow something you reap And this is also a problem of worldview In short, an "ambush" on all fronts Because even if one of the couple has a worldview broken -will be bad Consider which options are more - "+ and +" "+ and -" "-" Only 30 percent on success, all other things being equal, but there are other circumstances that correct the situation not for the better

[tracer]

Do not exaggerate so much. You probably understand what this is about? The loss of a breadwinner or something else, the state is naturally obliged to help. "Abandoned and with children" from your context cry in this place? A man will never abandon a good woman, and his children are not a hindrance here either.

[Kronos]

This cliche many stories got pregnant threw because the children are not needed or began to beat had to leave. Therefore, good stories do not go away nonsense do not go away from convenient ones that adapt to you

[tracer]

You contradict yourself, in your opinion, they leave the good ones and the comfortable ones do not? What kind of oil is it? Comfortable, good, affectionate and caring does not leave and will not leave. And from the beauties on whom there is nowhere to put a stamp, for some reason they are constantly "beaten" and "left." Why is a mystery, of course. This immediately leads to the question of the dominance of moral stereotypes in society. That which does not fit into the family and the development of society must be rejected.

[Kronos]

You described a convenient servant and not a good person.

[tracer]

You have a gateway view of women and servants. Wives are not servants, but Wives. Do you feel the difference?

[AlexVas44]

Quote: tracer

A man will never leave a good woman, and not his children here are also no obstacle.

And in my opinion - good man she won’t leave the woman, but if she leaves, she won’t leave her children never without means of subsistence.

[Nastia makarova]

cancel? need to increase the set of size !!

[awdrgy]

The main task of a woman is to give birth. Why? -Because a man "does not know how to do this a little" Not to give birth (if physically possible) means to go against nature (God) and she will punish (after a certain time) because such are her laws and (time has passed) we are we see now And women are not "the same people" they are with men, people of different sexes However, the decision to make them and it depends on the worldview laid down during upbringing Give the people an anti-natural (God-fighting) worldview and it will die out by itself (remember the advertisement for the lifestyle in the 90s) the most

[Kronos]

Poland is a religious country, but the birth rate is also low - it’s high where a woman doesn’t see a man, but only a service staff

[awdrgy]

When women were really seen as servants and they did not even have the right to vote, the birth rate was wow And about the religiosity of the Poles, another cliché (these are just words for a long time, not for everyone, of course) In Europe, as in Russia, the decline of faith Well, if you want that "faith happens different "for example there were such" eunuchs "If faith goes against nature, then this is a godless faith

[Kronos]

I don’t know what is a natural pagan faith or what? So I wrote in the Islamic regions, women have few rights, and birth rates there are high truth is not everywhere

[awdrgy]

Why pagan? I am generally an atheist This is just reality And faith is needed to somehow explain it and consolidate the correct worldview for "dark people" and weak-willed (but this is my personal opinion)

[awdrgy]

By the way, if you were involved in the service, you probably know what a large percentage of conscripts with "moral volitional instability" So (big secret) this stability is generally proportional to the number of "believers" Interestingly, yes? And by the way, Soviet ideology can also be considered a kind of "pumping" of this stability (although there are nuances there, but this is a separate story)

[awdrgy]

Something your comment marked with a bell and it’s not in the line. I’ve recently been here. How then will he jump out. Is it because they wrote at the same time?

[Kronos]

And in prisons there are many believers, among the mafia, or Islamists

[awdrgy]

Much is a relative concept In prison, you don’t give birth to the Mafia? -What kind of faith is there in what and which one exactly? (Did they show a Sicilian with a cross on his belly in a movie?) Islamists? -Then I'm talking about "eunuchs" wrote (this is not creation but destruction)

[Nastia makarova]

in Europe men give birth, or rather have children in same-sex marriages

[Svarog]

Quote: Aerodrome

maybe this should bother?:

Really .. the extinction of the Poles is their problem. But the Russians are dying off the code, this cannot but worry the Russian man and not indifferent.

[Observer2014]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: Aerodrome

maybe this should bother?:

Really .. the extinction of the Poles is their problem. But the Russians are dying off the code, this cannot but worry the Russian man and not indifferent.

But you see, it’s more pleasant to poke around in someone else’s eye. Than, in his. And looking at the last for almost SIX !!! years, the talk show is watered. So this is generally. Inexpressible sensations.

[Svarog]

Quote: Observer2014

After all, it’s more pleasant to poke around in someone else’s eye.

Personally, it’s already turning me around ... tinkering with everyone in all places ... topics all come down to one thing, how everything is bad with them and soon everything will bend .. and we have everything wonderful .. Until we start to pay attention to ourselves , positive changes do not have to wait ..

[Observer2014]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: Observer2014

After all, it’s more pleasant to poke around in someone else’s eye.

Personally, I'm already back.. poking around at everyone in all places ... the topics all come down to one thing, how everything is bad for them and soon everything will bend .. and we have everything wonderful .. Until we begin to pay attention to ourselves, there is no need to wait for positive changes ..

Oh. If only for you! Somehow you, like me, were immediately treated with a minus. Perhaps you thought that it was I who put it to you Never mind. I have done this many times with my comments.

Polish demographers:

-Our probably have other problems.

[Svarog]

Quote: Observer2014

Oh. If only for you! Somehow you, like me, were immediately treated with a minus. Perhaps you thought that it was I who put it to you

Yes, the minions here are cheered by the patriots .. I’m thinking they’re sitting here for money or because of misunderstanding .. how can you not see the obvious ..

[Observer2014]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: Observer2014

Oh. If only for you! Somehow you, like me, were immediately treated with a minus. Perhaps you thought that it was I who put it to you

Yes, the minions here are cheered by the patriots .. I’m thinking they’re sitting here for money or because of misunderstanding .. how can you not see the obvious ..

"Urapatriot" sounds proudly. I come to him sometimes. In times of special difficulties in Russia
. And for them. "Uramarginal ".This is their true name.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Svarog

I think they’re sitting here for money

Oh well, they’re just a hundred years old.

[Observer2014]

Inconvertible

You can forgive me. I, you know, the "parts" at work under a ton of weight. (Maybe easily more. Maybe naturally less) I mount and dismantle. So when I come home from work, I can be mistaken

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Svarog

Really .. the extinction of the Poles is their problem. But the Russians are dying off the code, this cannot but worry the Russian man and not indifferent.

This is a common problem for the white population of the earth ... and for Russians -Belarusians including ... For me, these three Slavic peoples are inseparable ... The communist leaders of Lenin-Stalin divided us ..The current situation of this triune Russian people is the result of a wise policy of the leaders of the World Proletariat of Marx-Engels-Lenin-Stalin. The result of worries about the world proletariat, the sad fate of the triune Russian people.

[Svarog]

For me, these three Slavic peoples are inseparable ... drinks The communist leaders of Lenin and Stalin divided us.

Under Stalin and in the USSR in general, Ukrainians and Belarusians generally lived together and there were no divisions. But as your liberal democrats came, they all shared it right away and continued this policy sequentially. So you don’t need to shift from healthy to healthy ..

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Svarog

Under Stalin and in the USSR in general, Ukrainians and Belarusians generally lived together and there were no divisions

Under the USSR, it became separate republics. With your flag, anthem and rights! When the USSR was destroyed by the communist leaders, we were divided even more. declared completely different nations. Then blood spilled ... as they say to every former communist prince and their children and servants of the principality ... Feudal fragmentation.

[Mcar]

Quote: 30 vis

Under the USSR, it became separate republics

"At" does not mean "because of" yet.

The outskirts of the former RI literally scattered. And the Bolsheviks just gathered the country together. If not for the Soviet regime, then Russia would have been fragmented a century ago and even did not exist within its current borders.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: McAr

The outskirts of the former RI literally scattered. And the Bolsheviks just gathered the country together. If not for the Soviet regime, then Russia would have been fragmented a century ago and even did not exist within its current borders.

Of course they collected it, after they destroyed everything to the ground, "and then, we are ours. We will build a new world" ....... but it was possible not to destroy the Empire. and through evolution to transform .. They killed Stolypin, in every possible way swayed and destroyed Russia .. And now we are reaping the results of their universal happiness! Yes, if not for the "communists" in Russia now lived 500-600 million people! there would be no victims of the Civil War and any Stalinist purges, there would not be World War II .. Truly, “The road to hell is paved with good deeds!” Fought to the very edge ... And everyone is trying to destroy the remnants of the country ... The main thing is louder yell .. URYA "bulk-stalin-soros-lenin" And on the barricades ... Encourage your children and grandchildren to die

[Mcar]

Quote: 30 vis

Quote: McAr

The outskirts of the former RI literally scattered. And the Bolsheviks just gathered the country together. If not for the Soviet regime, then Russia would have been fragmented a century ago and even did not exist within its current borders.

Of course they collected it, after they destroyed everything to the ground, "and then, we are ours. We will build a new world" ....... but it was possible not to destroy the Empire. and through evolution to transform .. They killed Stolypin, in every possible way swayed and destroyed Russia .. And now we are reaping the results of their universal happiness! Yes, if not for the "communists" in Russia now lived 500-600 million people! there would be no victims of the Civil War and any Stalinist purges, there would not be World War II .. Truly, “The road to hell is paved with good deeds!” Fought to the very edge ... And everyone is trying to destroy the remnants of the country ... The main thing is louder yell .. URYA "bulk-stalin-soros-lenin" And on the barricades ... Encourage your children and grandchildren to die

It’s time to change the training manual for Russophobes for a long time.

1. It was not EVERYTHING that was destroyed, but the world of violence. And calm down already, the world of violence has triumphed again, enjoy the victory.

2. The empire itself was breathing. Everything is as it is now: a commodity economy, external control in some sectors of up to 90%, and other macaroni.

3. The ruling class is always rocking and destroying countries, and it is time to learn this already.

4. If it were not for the Communists, even in a dream, they would not have lived in Russia at all, because the country itself would not exist long ago.

[sergo1914]

Quote: 30 vis

the result of a wise policy of the leaders of the World Proletariat of Marx-Engels-Venetian-Stalin.

And you didn’t look for a Martian trace? For example, I do not trust the Martians ...

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: sergo1914

And you didn’t look for a Martian trace? For example, I do not trust the Martians ...

There is a reason, there is a consequence. there is a consequence ... but there is no desire to see all this ... Or blindness of the look ... The bright ideals of communism were obviously not for our party leaders ... The main ideal is human life ... From each according to his capabilities, to each according to his needs ... Sounds right. It is a pity that human nature is not perfect ..

[Kerensky]

For me, these three Slavic peoples are inseparable ...

In mythology, Cech, Lyakh and Rus were siblings.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Aerodrome

maybe this should bother?:

Concern
Flag in hands and women more in bed every day.
Do you walk the streets?
Do you see children?
You can’t leave offspring yourself, don’t bring down the STATISTICS !!!
Statistics such as you PANICAMERS ON ORDER such as you do
Come to the schools !! And Kindergartens !! QUEUES !!

[Bullba]

I live very well, find a job for yourself, and you can live the same standards.

[Vol4ara]

And what is wrong with post-war mortality? After the war, that someone was poisoned or destroyed in the camps?

Not an article, but rubbish

[Snail N9]

Will all the Poles die? To us, what will be worse from this? If not, then let them die.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vol4ara

And what is wrong with post-war mortality? After the war, that someone was poisoned or destroyed in the camps?

There were a lot of disabled people.

[RUSS]

Quote: Star Destroyer

But the Russophobic Polska then rots and bends, after Germany.

Hooray - patriots are sure:
Poland must apologize
Ukraine must fall apart
Georgia must go broke
Belarus must join
Europe must pray for us
China must be baptized
Britain must be poisoned
The US must fail.

[Terenin]

In Poland, two main news items were identified. First: statements by the President of Russia about how the Polish authorities in 1938 were engaged in aiding Hitler and supported the expulsion of Jews from Europe to Africa. The second is the publication of Polish demographers on the situation with demographic prospects in the country.

Well thing Boris Johnson himself said about the "second" reason: "in case of difficulties with partners," throw a dead cat on the table "in order to divert everyone's attention to an unfit object, and at the same time do his dirty business ...

[Atlant-1164]

it turns out that from the 22nd century, from the territory of present-day Poland no one will speak to Russia anymore ??)

[Svarog]

Quote: Atlant-1164

Poland, no one else will speak in the direction of Russia ??)

By that time, Russia will not be at such a pace .. maybe it will, but without Russians .. but this is no longer Russia.

[Well done]

Will die out like mammoths! Tolerance and 40 sexes to help them. By XXII, "refugees" from Africa and the East will remain in rainbow Europe. The last Pani will be stoned and mustache ... "Allahu Akbar", and they will not be remembered in textbooks.

[Snake catcher]

Poland was the province of the Russian Empire, then again as part of the CMEA .. Now they run up again and all the same Russophobia rolls over.!
Here's what to do with them?
They don’t want to trade with us, but the Anglo-Saxon bases are ready to fill the whole country ..
But Poland was the most antesimitic, and Kiev FIGs understand whose ..
An interesting situation is obtained in this political situation ..
Archives time to open the KGB! And indicate who is who .. Already in plain text!

[Sergej1972]

Not all of Poland, but part of it. Others were in Austria and Prussia (Germany). And not by the province, but by the Kingdom of Poland.

[Udav kaa]

Poland has long made its choice .. And the pope decree them!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Udav Kaa

And the pope decree them!

Which Washington?
They have long forgotten religion and honor and conscience.
Who pays, he will be "dad" and "mum" and "dear father".
Only so that all this schlob against Russia would be

[Udav kaa]

Quote: Lipchanin

Which Washington?

I think in Jerusalem .. Too cunningly tied up hehe

[Well done]

They have a different pointer. Like the Baltic states ...

[Kibl]

Good news, well pleased so pleased! Directly under the Christmas tree!

[75 Sergey]

And Russia will remain without Russians by the end of this century, we do not multiply at all, only guests from the "near" abroad are proliferating. they have 3 children in the family, this is the norm, then they are all mothers of the heroine with benefits.

[Xenofont]

Will British toilets suck the whole "plumber nation"?

[Pavel57]

Christianity has done its job, now it is not needed with its values ​​in the West. In Europe, the future lies with Islam. Like it or not

[aszzz888]

Pavel57 (Gf) Today, 00: 15 NEW
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Christianity has done its job, now it is not needed with its values ​​in the West. In Europe, the future lies with Islam. Like it or not

If you are talking about fertility, then traditionally Muslims have large families (polygamy also plays an important part). But, in my opinion, since there are no more or less social polls on Europe, the Gentiles who arrived there are in no hurry to acquire large families. Call their relatives - yes. But to give birth a lot - no. They, along the way, have a completely different task. And perhaps, sometime in the future, Muslims will demographically "rule" Europa, and then it will definitely be kapets.

[Babermetis]

How can you not give birth to children? My brief mind is not shy.

[NF68]

Soon there will be more Poles in Germany than in Poland itself.