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Life with an eye to the West. Who are the liberals?

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They privatized the right to express “public opinion”; they speak on behalf of the “progressive public” and “Russian intelligentsia”. At the same time, their views have nothing to do with the values ​​and worldview of most Russians. So who are they liberals?


The origins of modern "liberalism"


To begin with, those people who today call themselves liberals and are also estimated by the population, in fact, have a very indirect attitude to liberalism as a classical political ideology. It is no coincidence that many philosophers speak of a "political death." And it is hardly worth perceiving the liberals of modern Russia as the ideological heirs of John Locke and others like him.

Classical Western liberals, for all that, were patriots of their countries. They had their own views on the political and economic development of their countries, but it would never have occurred to the English liberals to work against the British Empire. Moreover, they pursued both foreign and domestic policies quite tough in the national interests.


Liberalism in modern Russia is a completely different phenomenon. Firstly, its roots do not go back to that pre-revolutionary Russian liberalism, which wanted to limit the autocracy and introduce certain freedoms. The true mother of modern liberalism is the Soviet dissidentism, and even then its most condemned, crazy part. Indeed, among the dissidents there were the same Marxist communists, there were nationalists and Orthodox conservatives, which, by the way, today they prefer not to remember when they talk about Soviet political prisoners.

There were dissidents who wanted to make the Soviet Union a much more radical “red” state, or to revive the Russian empire. And our "liberals" are the heirs of pro-American dissidents bordering on real spies. It was they who were ready to transmit any information not only to the Voice of America, but also to those gloomy people who represented themselves as the Voice of America. It was they who applauded the collapse of the Soviet Union, despite the catastrophes that then hit the millions of people living in the post-Soviet space.

Life with an eye to the West. Who are the liberals?

In October 1993, advocates of “human rights” raged, demanding that the defenders of the House of Soviets be drowned in blood. When ordinary people — pensioners, workers, military, students — stood on the barricades in the name of their homeland, stood under a variety of flags - from the red flags of the Anpilovites to the black-yellow-white banners of the monarchists, - the “liberals” demanded to shoot these people, to crush them them tanks. And then-President Boris Yeltsin did just that, though he did it a little more gently. By the way, there were those who were thirsty for blood and those who then came to be horrified by a couple of kicks at a demonstration on Bolotnaya Square.

But then, in the nineties, the liberals were not much interested in the chronic non-payment of salaries at dying enterprises, the poor old people who did not receive an insignificant pension for a year, street children, the growth of drug addiction and prostitution. All this was explained by the excesses of the transition period, market therapy. Today, liberals inflate any minor conflict like building a park as a problem of universal proportions. Then they were silent.

Dislike of Russia as a creed and pathology


The most abomination of those who call themselves liberals is that they sincerely hate their native state. A liberal can be born in Moscow or Votkinsk, Novosibirsk or Novoshakhtinsk, be ethnically quite a Russian person, but at the same time he will hate Russia, despise it, call it “rashka”. Ukrainian Nazi, Dudaev, Baltic fascist, even igilovets - they will be closer to him, he will sympathize with them.

A distinctive feature of liberals is hatred of the majority of the Russian population. Moreover, they appropriate the right to speak on behalf of this majority, calling themselves "the public." But liberals, hating ordinary people, consider themselves a kind of special higher caste of initiates. How many times have they read in the network their statements that the Russian people are supposedly to blame for Putin’s appearance, that he deserves his fate, that he is underdeveloped and cannot accept the only true liberal model.

Probably, in no country in the world there is such a large social force, which would so intensely hate their homeland. Yes, Kurdish nationalists may not like Turkey, Irish - Great Britain, Breton - France, but liberals are not representatives of any other community, claiming their own, separate state. It’s kind of like the same citizens who live, work, study with us, and sometimes even are members of the same family.


But hatred of Russia is only growing among them, and together with the country they hate both its patriots and representatives of all those political movements whose views do not fit into the liberal paradigm, and even ordinary people - “because they vote for Putin”, “ for not voting ”and so on.

In addition to the ideological core of politicized liberals, there are so-called liberals. As a rule, these are ordinary people who may not be connected in any way with liberal opposition political movements. But in their mentality they are these very liberals and also strive to passionately hate Russia.

It is they who post jokes about Russia, memes and demotivators on their social networks, like to compare Russia and other countries, and these comparisons are always not in favor of our country. Everything is bad for such “liberals”: ​​if a “liberal” is a woman, then even Russian men are all drunks, sluts and impotent for her, if a man, then women are all corrupt prostitutes and it’s better to bring papuasca than to marry our girlfriend.

Monopoly on the word


The most dangerous thing in Russian “liberalism” is that now the liberals have monopolized the right to speak on behalf of the public. For some reason, by “public opinion” we now mean exclusively the position of the liberals. And so on any issue - from abortion to gay parades, from privatization to migration.

In a certain sense, this is not surprising, since a significant part of representatives of intellectual professions, including journalism, are affected by liberalism. The increased concentration of liberals is in Moscow, St. Petersburg, and the leading Russian media are also located there, which broadcast such a position, passing it off as “public opinion”.

The monopoly on the word is fueled by the colossal financial capabilities of the liberals. Behind them are foreign and domestic oligarchic structures. Not a single patriotic and, especially, left-wing force has such colossal financial resources as the liberals have. The National Bolsheviks, the anarchists, the communists, who had served their time there, are leaving the poor, hungry and sick from Russian prisons. But liberals, thanks to colossal grants, are starting to live happily ever after, even launching fashionable clothing lines.

Liberals today are turning information in the media in ways that are beneficial to themselves. The only plus of recent years associated with the spread of Internet technologies is the emergence of a patriotic segment of the mass media, which pretty much ruined the liberals' monopoly on mass information.

In the 90s, no Tomorrow, Lightnings, Limonki, Russian Order could compete with Izvestia, Moscow Komsomol members, and so on. Funding was not comparable. Moreover, the liberal television was completely in the hands of Russian television. Today, the role of television has declined markedly, young people watch it less and less, which means that the hope of undermining the monopoly on the word is growing.

Who is the fifth column here and who is its commander?


Expressing the interests of the world financial backstage, the fifth column of Russian liberals enjoys not only generous funding. It has a colossal lobby in power structures and this is another of its main dangers. Today, state propaganda serves “liberals” exclusively as “heroes” of street battles on Bolotnaya and other squares, or as network trolls who constantly criticize Vladimir Putin.


In fact, there are no less, if not more, liberals around Vladimir Putin in the square. And these liberals are much more dangerous than street ones, among whom there are simply a lot of posers or lost people. Since the Yeltsin era, a large number of people have been working in power structures, oriented to the West and Western values, "living in the West."

They hate their country, their own people in the same way. Some officials, current top-ranking Russian officials, have children with foreign names. What for? Why? Is it because of hatred of Russia and all Russian and the desire to send their children forever to live abroad?

What is one social policy pursued by the Russian authorities! Is this not liberalism? When the market is put in first place, but they prefer not to talk about national interests (as about something indecent). So what if a school is unprofitable in a particular village? The school should not make a profit, but should teach future citizens, even if there are only five of them in our particular village — our young people. How can hospitals, kindergartens, libraries be unprofitable?

The same liberals in power calmly, following their multiculturalist ideology, import migrants in huge numbers - people who have already grown up in an alien culture. These are not those Soviet people who nevertheless grew up in a single political system, albeit with their own national flavor. These are the guys who did not study Russian at school, who were brought up in their countries in hatred of Russia and Russian. But they are cheap labor and mass for the phased replacement of the indigenous population, which our liberals use.

By the way, the head of the Russian state himself has not yet made a single demonstrative gesture that would testify to his own demarcation with the liberals. What is the active concern for the "Yeltsin Center", constant communication with the Yeltsin "intelligentsia"? No matter how menacingly we speak on the issues of Crimea or Syria, no matter how we defend our economic interests, laying pipelines, no matter how re-equipping, re-equipping the army, but in the first place should be the life of our own people.

The people should not be an experimental rabbit for all kinds of liberal experiments in the form of modernization of education, pension reform, and so on.
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  1. Far B
    Far B 27 December 2019 05: 35
    +44
    In fact, there are no less, if not more, liberals around Vladimir Putin on the square
    Exactly. The Kremlin is a hotbed of "liberalism". And Putin is the head of this whole Caudla.
    Although now Boris Polsta Fifth will come running and explain that this is never the case)))
    1. depressant
      depressant 27 December 2019 06: 07
      +41
      I began to read the article and thought - allegory? Speaking about the intelligentsia, is the author talking about the government? Is it not about the State Duma, coupled with the Federation Council? Not about the Presidential Administration and other government agencies? From the middle of the article, everything fell into place.
      I received a payment for gas, for light, garbage, and more. And again the same story: in November I paid not only for November, but in a new one - for the already paid October as a debt. And so, in December, the same story again: the payment for December included a repeated payment for November. I saved up 2 thousand for the New Year, and now - give everything back, and you still need to take a thousand somewhere, otherwise you won’t be able to pay ...
      Damn you, thieves!
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 27 December 2019 06: 15
        +18
        "Vtaly" aptly drew a picture ...
        1. Million
          Million 27 December 2019 07: 07
          +23
          I wonder how many Russians are among them?
          1. Alexander Suvorov
            Alexander Suvorov 27 December 2019 08: 30
            +34
            Million (Vlad)
            I wonder how many Russians are among them?
            Do you specify which "Russians"? Ethnic by passport?
            It's just that they know Russians, too, different. There is a "Russian" General Vlasov, and there is a RUSSIAN General Bagration.
            I really liked the dialogue in the film "Panfilov's 28" (I can’t vouch for the verbatim, but the meaning is this):
            - now we will show them how Russians are fighting
            - actually, I am Kazakh
            - But what is Kazakh, not Russian or what? We will fight for Kazakhstan, we will show them who the Kazakhs are.
            - agreed
            In general, all this liberalism has no nationality, they are national traitors — that’s their nationality!
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              1. Petrik66
                Petrik66 27 December 2019 09: 58
                -5
                And where are the Jews? Remind about the Masons as well. Tired of it.
                1. NordUral
                  NordUral 27 December 2019 20: 29
                  +16
                  Very much moreover, not all of course, a small part, with the predecessors of which I. Stalin fought, that is, the Zionists who. But ordinary Jews, like ordinary Russians, Kyrgyz, Kazakhs and other people of the former Union, are all of us, we have nothing to share and no reason to share.
                  1. Robertocalos
                    Robertocalos 1 January 2020 19: 23
                    -1
                    Hitler fought even better, if that.
                    1. NordUral
                      NordUral 1 January 2020 19: 41
                      +2
                      Hitler killed, mostly ordinary Jews for their money, but not the top of Zion, he collaborated with these secretly, Robertocalos.
                      1. Robertocalos
                        Robertocalos 1 January 2020 21: 56
                        -1
                        I killed 6 million for the sake of money, yeah. Why are you in your head? Looks like you do not know at all what "Zionism" is. An ordinary local anti-Semite who lacks water in the tap.
                2. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 27 December 2019 21: 20
                  -1
                  These as always - in all thick jelly.
              2. Alexander Suvorov
                Alexander Suvorov 27 December 2019 10: 00
                +20
                Jews, they, like Russians, are also different!
                There are: Dragunsky David Abramovich, twice a hero of the Soviet Union, commander of the 55th Guards Tank Brigade of the 7th Guards Tank Corps of the 3rd Guards Tank Army of the 1st Ukrainian Front, Colonel General of the Tank Forces.
                And there are such: gozman, Shenderovich, Benedict, Alekseev ...
                1. Ilya Zaitsev
                  Ilya Zaitsev 28 December 2019 21: 43
                  +4
                  And there is the Evening Solovyov yet
                  1. karabass
                    karabass 31 December 2019 11: 16
                    +1
                    Soloviev is simply an artist, a lyceum, for his salary the most notorious will become the most holy
                    1. Robertocalos
                      Robertocalos 1 January 2020 19: 24
                      -1
                      Or vice versa?
            2. Stas157
              Stas157 27 December 2019 09: 32
              +35
              The most abomination of those who call themselves liberals is that they sincerely hate their native state.

              They hate the liberals, but idolize the chief of them.
              They hate Yeltsin, but adore his successor and follower.
              I do not like the government, but I really like the one who forms this government.
              Against the oligarchs, but FOR the guardian of these oligarchs.
              Against the chaos of the 90s, but for the regime that arose as a result of this.

              ... And they are all - big fans of car trash, an abundance of sausages, and most importantly toilet paper. These are their main shortcomings, as this is their main claim to the USSR. The fact that in the USSR were the best (and free) basic human values ​​- education, medicine, pensions, apartments ... this is not taken into account.

              Who are these strange people? But there are a good half of them on the site.
              1. Laurus
                Laurus 27 December 2019 10: 28
                +15
                Perfectly formulated. Extremely accurate. And in medicine, the worldview you described is called "schizophrenia".
                1. Procyon lotor
                  Procyon lotor 28 December 2019 12: 12
                  +3
                  Actually, this is called “cognitive dissonance” - a state of mental discomfort of an individual caused by a clash in his mind of conflicting ideas: ideas, beliefs, values, or emotional reactions.
              2. Leshy1975
                Leshy1975 27 December 2019 12: 24
                +15
                Stas157 (Stas)
                They hate the liberals, but idolize the chief of them.
                They hate Yeltsin, but adore his successor and follower.
                I do not like the government, but I really like the one who forms this government.
                Against the oligarchs, but FOR the guardian of these oligarchs.
                Against the chaos of the 90s, but for the regime that arose as a result of this.

                ... And they are all - big fans of car trash, an abundance of sausages, and most importantly toilet paper. These are their main shortcomings, as this is their main claim to the USSR. The fact that in the USSR were the best (and free) basic human values ​​- education, medicine, pensions, apartments ... this is not taken into account.

                Who are these strange people? But there are a good half of them on the site.


                Bravo! good Shake your hand. Well, very well and logically everything is expressed. hi

                PS But at the same time for some reason they nevertheless declare us liberals, those who are against this entire Yeltsin system of power, and not themselves. They are modest guys and shy, hang labels on themselves.
                1. karabass
                  karabass 31 December 2019 20: 00
                  +2
                  Yes, that’s not the point, I personally love our Russia, and I really want to believe that I am a liberal (such is my worldview); the matter is different: there are successful states on the planet Earth with extremely liberal governments that have everything (almost) in managing their countries . For our authorities, everything is through ... NO FOUR FOR THESE DOESN'T EXIT for some reason, no matter how they puff up! And I can’t understand why, maybe this is our curse?
                  Therefore, I do not accept our power, although I do not know what to do
              3. haron
                haron 27 December 2019 15: 25
                +8
                Quote: Stas157
                Who are these strange people? But there are a good half of them on the site

                If you consider these words of yours
                . .. also they are all big fans of car trash, plenty of sausages, and most importantly toilet paper. These are their main shortcomings, as this is their main claim to the USSR. The fact that in the USSR were the best (and free) basic human values ​​- education, medicine, pensions, apartments ... this is not taken into account.

                It seems to me that on the site these people are chasing the plus signs, trying to write a hurray-post completely off topic, or a post with a very superficial knowledge of the topic - without reading the article, but focusing on the same "hurray / everything is lost" posts.
                They are not even "liberals", they are worse. These pseudo patriots present Russian patriotism as an ignorant and poorly educated phenomenon. Such commentators in history and weapons especially get.
              4. NordUral
                NordUral 27 December 2019 20: 20
                +9
                Who are these strange people? But there are a good half of them on the site.

                And these are the ones thanks to which the guarantor of collapse again rules.
              5. dauria
                dauria 28 December 2019 01: 47
                0
                Who are these strange people? But there are a good half of them on the site.


                The other half don't like cars, sausage, toilet paper? And against the "keeper of the oligarchs"?
                There are people on the site, dear Stas. Such as they are. Do you want to reeducate, show "how it should"? I'm afraid you yourself do not know "how to". And how "not necessary" everyone knows.

                “Well,” he answered thoughtfully, “they are people as people.” They love money, but it has always been ... Mankind loves money, whatever it is made of, whether from leather, from paper, from bronze or from gold. Well, frivolous ... well, well ... and mercy sometimes beats in their hearts ... ordinary people ... in general, resemble the former ... the housing issue only spoiled them ... - and loudly ordered: - Put on your head.
              6. Andrey VOV
                Andrey VOV 28 December 2019 15: 04
                0
                I didn’t understand a bit about auto trash
              7. Cop
                Cop 28 December 2019 16: 09
                -5
                Quote: Stas157
                They hate the liberals, but idolize the chief of them.
                You are mistaken, they do not idolize, but are forced to choose from the bad and the very bad. So they choose the least evil ..... You yourself for whom you cast your vote ... for?
                Quote: Stas157
                They hate Yeltsin, but adore his successor and follower.
                And you yourself, what time do you prefer?
                Quote: Stas157
                I do not like the government, but I really like the one who forms this government.
                You repeat, I repeat. I do not like it, it's just the least evil.
                Quote: Stas157
                Against the oligarchs, but FOR the guardian of these oligarchs.
                The oligarchs are the result of this least evil. If you want to use toilet paper, then endure it, because otherwise you will have to use ... the newspaper Pravda. And this, in my opinion, is somehow not very comfortable .... or are you ready to tolerate ... for the sake of future generations?
                Quote: Stas157
                Against the chaos of the 90s, but for the regime that arose as a result of this.
                So it arose as an alternative .... to chaos. Or are you still for the third option that I voiced to you?

                Quote: Stas157
                ... And they are all big fans of auto trash,
                And do you mean you drive a “patriot”, or do you still want a “fourth equalizer”, even if you prefer a used one?
                Quote: Stas157
                plenty of sausages, and most importantly toilet paper.
                Yes, so you can now .... refuse sausages and write out the Pravda newspaper and use it. Take advantage of t.s. the benefits ... of a market economy. Or do you need a balm for the soul, when everyone else uses it?
                Quote: Stas157
                These are their main shortcomings, as this is their main claim to the USSR.
                Their main complaint was that there was no freedom of choice. If the leadership of the USSR were smarter, now nobody would have heard of such names as Bukovsky and Sharansky.
                Quote: Stas157
                The fact that in the USSR were the best (and free) basic human values ​​- education, medicine, pensions, apartments ... this is not taken into account.
                But is there really no free education in Russia? Secondary education is free, and higher too. You just have to try to enter the free department. What about medicine? Remembering the Soviet cement that Soviet dentists put in their teeth ..... I’d like for some reason to give those same teeth ..... Pensions .... remembering my grandmother’s pension in the amount of 12 rubles a month, I also want to give someone for this. Apartments ... and then why are people still living in barracks and emergency housing? Why didn’t they get free housing? Or maybe it was just not for everyone?

                Quote: Stas157
                Who are these strange people?
                It’s strange to even hear from you. Yes, all those who live beyond the "101st" kilometer. Or do you think that people do not live there?
                Quote: Stas157
                But there are a good half of them on the site.
                Why did you decide that? On this site, only people like me, well, people like you ..... laughing
                1. Old Michael
                  Old Michael 29 December 2019 01: 53
                  -2
                  It is strange that you did not get any pluses or minuses.
                  Perhaps it’s psychologically difficult to add on - the truth is cruel, and minus - even the villains haven’t raised their hands.
                  I do not agree with all the points, but on the whole I am delighted. Analytics with emotions = mind + conscience + life experience.
              8. Elena Zakharova
                Elena Zakharova 7 January 2020 22: 19
                +4
                With apartments, you are clearly overstepping ....
                1. Cop
                  Cop 25 January 2020 19: 12
                  -2
                  Quote: Elena Zakharova
                  With apartments, you are clearly overstepping ....

                  Do you live where? Accidentally not within the MKAD? Drive 101 km. from her and look .....
                  1. Elena Zakharova
                    Elena Zakharova 27 January 2020 12: 20
                    +1
                    What to look at?
                    How do people massively build luxury cottages all over the country?
                    Or do I need to see comfortable new housing estates with full infrastructure, even more than 101 km away?
                    1. Cop
                      Cop 29 January 2020 13: 13
                      -1
                      Quote: Elena Zakharova
                      What to look at?
                      How do people massively build luxury cottages all over the country?
                      Or do I need to see comfortable new housing estates with full infrastructure, even more than 101 km away?

                      Reading this, I always come up with an anecdote about the French king .... In that town where I come from over the years ..... not a single apartment building was built not by the Soviet regime. And this is only about 400 km from the capital. Sit in your "gelding", "boomer" or whatever you move there and go there. How many ... wonderful discoveries will you make ...
                      1. Elena Zakharova
                        Elena Zakharova 30 January 2020 15: 21
                        +2
                        Stupidity is not a vice, but the photograph I showed was taken by me personally, 500 km from MKAD.
                        That is, for those who are in the tank - I took a photo personally, very far from Moscow.
                      2. Cop
                        Cop 14 February 2020 23: 48
                        -1
                        Quote: Elena Zakharova
                        Stupidity is not a vice, but the photograph I showed was taken by me personally, 500 km from MKAD.
                        That is, for those who are in the tank - I took a photo personally, very far from Moscow.

                        Well, I’ll go to visit my mother, I will click on the pictures of my hometown. And then I have the impression that we have .... different Moscow Ring Road ...., well, or tanks.
                      3. Elena Zakharova
                        Elena Zakharova 20 February 2020 09: 16
                        +1
                        Well, you and an eccentric))
                        This photo was taken in Voronezh.
                        New area.
                        Its northern part seems Olympic.
                      4. Cop
                        Cop 23 February 2020 19: 33
                        -1
                        Quote: Elena Zakharova
                        Well, you and an eccentric))
                        Well, first freak .....
                        Quote: Elena Zakharova
                        This photo was taken in Voronezh.
                        New area.
                        Its northern part seems Olympic.
                        There is also a new district in Tver, it seems to be called Zavolzhsky. only besides this new one, it is full of old ones ...... Do you have any old ones in Voronezh? If so, why did they humbly keep silent about them?
                      5. Elena Zakharova
                        Elena Zakharova 25 February 2020 20: 46
                        +1
                        eccentric, old areas are everywhere, including Paris with veins.
                        Sorry, I don’t understand you promise about the old, or is it just diarrhea?
                      6. Cop
                        Cop 7 March 2020 12: 45
                        -1
                        Quote: Elena Zakharova
                        eccentric, old areas are everywhere, including Paris with veins.
                        Sorry, I don’t understand you promise about the old, or is it just diarrhea?

                        Why did you humbly keep silent about them? And you are old districts .... Vienna or Helsinki do not want to compare with old districts, for example, St. Petersburg? I specially explain to you my promise ..., in any city, and even in the village there will be an nth number of people who can buy housing in one way or another, but there are very few such people. And the vast majority of people live as best they can, but you are deeply on them ..... so most likely you have diarrhea. hi
                      7. Elena Zakharova
                        Elena Zakharova 14 March 2020 23: 18
                        0
                        Offer to everyone who can not give a bag of money?
                      8. Cop
                        Cop 16 March 2020 20: 22
                        +1
                        Quote: Elena Zakharova
                        Offer to everyone who can not give a bag of money?

                        I propose to build public housing not only in Moscow and ..... Voronezh, but also for example in Bologoe. This is very cost effective.
                      9. Elena Zakharova
                        Elena Zakharova 27 March 2020 09: 09
                        0
                        By what criteria will you build and by what rules will you give out?
                      10. Cop
                        Cop 29 March 2020 15: 32
                        0
                        Quote: Elena Zakharova
                        By what criteria will you build and by what rules will you give out?

                        You are strange .... woman. Rules? The state is obliged to provide housing, for example, for orphans, and so far nobody has canceled housing certificates. Criteria? And you about the so-called. cellular house building have you heard? For each climatic zone its own "honeycomb" is created. Houses are built from them. A state company is being created, for example Rosstroy, and its branches are being created in the regions. So she will be engaged in construction, and the construction of state housing should be carried out only in the regions.
                      11. Elena Zakharova
                        Elena Zakharova 29 March 2020 18: 14
                        0
                        by ....
                        Orphans are allocated housing throughout the country.
                        Did you joke about honeycombs or seriously?
                      12. Cop
                        Cop April 3 2020 19: 30
                        0
                        Quote: Elena Zakharova
                        by ....
                        Orphans are allocated housing throughout the country.
                        Did you joke about honeycombs or seriously?

                        C'mon, why are they walking around with posters and demanding their legal housing?
                        Am I like a joker? This technology was developed back in the USSR.
                      13. Elena Zakharova
                        Elena Zakharova April 4 2020 21: 41
                        0
                        I already forgot about you, and you are here again, replicating your nonsense ...
                        Let's say goodbye, ok?
                      14. Cop
                        Cop 15 May 2020 15: 24
                        0
                        Yes, and I forgot ... ok .....
            3. icant007
              icant007 27 December 2019 11: 38
              +5
              There was still another moment when the Germans shouted: "Surrender!", And a Kazakh or Kyrgyz responded, "The Russians do not surrender!" )))
          2. ak1978
            ak1978 27 December 2019 20: 47
            0
            Absolutely not. Russian is like Roman or American - it is not a nationality, but a state of mind. These "comrades" hate American ideals as much as the Russians. Most likely this is a mental illness against the background of rejection by any society of sick material. Liberals are outcasts everywhere.
        2. bionik
          bionik 27 December 2019 09: 45
          +9
          Quote: Aerodrome
          "Vtaly" aptly drew a picture ...

          In the photo, essentially a riffraff, small bipods, large figures are sitting in the current government.
          1. at84432384
            at84432384 27 December 2019 14: 09
            +2
            Large figures do not advertise themselves. In power, if you count government officials, only the tip of the iceberg. Puppeteers are hidden from view.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 27 December 2019 14: 45
            -3
            In this picture, one is already a dead woman and only one Kudrin is in power - she works in the Accounts Chamber.
        3. New Year day
          New Year day 27 December 2019 11: 51
          +10
          Quote: Aerodrome
          "Vtaly" aptly drew a picture ...

          by and large, between these "comrades" and these ... [center]

          there is no particular difference. Alone in power. second, they want to go there.
          Their actions are "liberal influence". Although this has nothing to do with liberalism
          1. Edik
            Edik 27 December 2019 14: 00
            -10
            Quote: Silvestr
            Silvestr (Sylvester)

            Yes recourse Something you all have the same pictures! Your factory is useless! Fighters with the pancake mode!
            So you Svarog clung to Putin that he said he was liberal! And why do not you like the ideas of liberalism? Well, except that this is not communism, under the cover of which you work? yes
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 27 December 2019 14: 53
              +6
              Quote: Edik
              Well, except that this is not communism, under the cover of which you work?

              I say, think with patterns, patterns. Or or. Goodbye
              1. Edik
                Edik 27 December 2019 16: 03
                -12
                Quote: Silvestr
                I say, think with patterns, patterns. Or or. Goodbye

                And that’s all you can say! yes
                I know why laughing
                Because in your training manual, there is not a word about it, but you yourself cannot think!
                Call the elder ..
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 27 December 2019 17: 00
                  +10
                  Quote: Edik
                  And that’s all you can say! yes
                  And I know why laughing
                  Because in your training manual, there is not a word about it, but you yourself cannot think!
                  Call the elder ..

                  i'm too old. to talk on the training manual. you are a young man very young. I didn’t have a kneeling pose in conversation even with those whom you look in the drawer. Adieu
                  1. Edik
                    Edik 27 December 2019 17: 03
                    -10
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    i'm too old. to talk on the training manual.

                    That the elder hasn’t come yet; there’s nothing to say on the topic?
                  2. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 27 December 2019 21: 24
                    -4
                    "I am too old to speak according to the methodology." Yes, but judging because you are here with demotivators, the power is constantly haite, the training manual you have in this regard is just a reinforced concrete Bible.
              2. Edik
                Edik 27 December 2019 16: 37
                -7
                Here you are, Sylvester write about the fact that I think in patterns!
                But just now you wrote "smart thought"
                As I understand it, of course it’s not yours, but you wrote it ..
                Quote: Silvestr
                Ukrainian transit is very beneficial for the EU and it will lay with bones for its preservation. Fee of $ 5 billion annually for transit pays Ukraine not the EU, but the Russian Federation

                I talked with you about this topic, but you also referred to templates wink
                In short, your answer looked like this, Europe drove Ukraine into a credit hole and destroyed production using grants, and now it doesn’t have to do this, as it will be paid for transit by Gazprom! good
                But even if this is so, why did the European Union give the green light and ironclad guarantees for the construction of the Nord Stream-2 on its territory? I can’t catch your logic.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 27 December 2019 17: 01
                  +3
                  Quote: Edik
                  Here you are, Sylvester write about the fact that I think in patterns!

                  drove by.
                  1. Edik
                    Edik 27 December 2019 17: 07
                    -5
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    drove by.

                    No, Sylvester, it won’t work! If you throw on a fan, then please justify and not kick back the frames! Are you a serious person? Or ...
        4. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov 27 December 2019 12: 18
          +2
          The picture is far from complete, there is not enough sytin, Reichelhaus, an amnuel, but many others, the list of this abomination will be sooooo long!
          At first they surprised me, then they annoyed me, and now they hit me on the drum. I have not watched this freak show, paid out of our own pocket, for a long time.
          Under Joseph Vissarionovich, such people would have felled in the taiga for a long time, and some would have been spanked, and deservedly.
        5. maden.usmanow
          maden.usmanow 27 December 2019 17: 56
          0
          And none of them works either in the Government or in the State Duma.
          Maybe it's not about them?
        6. Amin_vivec
          Amin_vivec 28 December 2019 15: 47
          -3
          Are they really "liberals"? They don't hold a candle to the main thing, the one who threw Russia into the "furnace of the world revolution." In Russia, for this purpose, national borders were drawn - to become the borders of the upcoming division. He encouraged Ukrainian, Belarusian, Caucasian nationalists, and repressed Russian nationalists ... He seized food from the peasantry - provoking hunger ... He encouraged civil war ... Provoked a military defeat in WWI ... - that's where the roots come from, Yeltsin is a child compared to him.
      2. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 27 December 2019 06: 18
        +14
        Quote: depressant
        (Lyudmila Yakovlevna Kuznetsova)

        Come on, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! it looks like: and on the left which, siluanov waabche zhzhot! I laugh from impotence and anger. (I have not laughed at Ukraine for a long time)
        1. depressant
          depressant 27 December 2019 06: 27
          +12
          Yes, Aerodromny, I also heard about this reservation. What a scoundrel has in mind, then a stupid scoundrel in his tongue.
      3. Van 16
        Van 16 27 December 2019 06: 50
        +13
        So next year, again, an increase in utility tariffs by an average of 4 percent. Well got it already, honestly.
        1. balunn
          balunn 27 December 2019 10: 32
          +3
          Let’s write it down - liberal laughing
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 27 December 2019 11: 57
            +10
            Quote: balunn
            Let’s write it down - liberal

            That's how we live!
            You scold the government for social policy - the liberal, although it is the government that implements liberal reforms; praise the patriotic government, although the government is liberal. laughing
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      5. WIKI
        WIKI 27 December 2019 10: 51
        +2
        Quote: depressant
        Damn you, thieves!

        I agree with you! Gazprom is a very muddy company, but the main thing is to understand this in time. All bills are in the trash. At the moment, in my account I have a debt of 2 thousand rubles. But in fact it is not there, because I pay for what was actually spent. The average for the year is set in bills.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 27 December 2019 14: 47
          -7
          "Gazprom" is a very muddy company "- There is nothing muddy about it, it is completely open financially.
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 27 December 2019 15: 25
            0
            How much is the price of gas for China according to the Power of Siberia_1, how much did it cost to build the Nord Stream-2 along with pipelines from the Bovanenkovo ​​field? Payback time for projects?
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 27 December 2019 21: 26
              -1
              All this is in the public domain, you can read it - judging by the fact that everything is in order with the Internet, there will be no problems with it.
            2. Amin_vivec
              Amin_vivec 28 December 2019 15: 53
              0
              And how much is the dependence on one consumer, and if the transit is very unreliable?
              The more consumers, the less risk.
      6. Captain45
        Captain45 27 December 2019 13: 55
        0
        Quote: depressant
        I received a payment for gas, for light, garbage, and more. And again the same story: in November I paid not only for November, but in a new one - for the already paid October as a debt. And so, in December, the same story again: the payment for December included a repeated payment for November. I saved up 2 thousand for the New Year, and now - give everything back, and you still need to take a thousand somewhere, otherwise you won’t be able to pay ...

        Well, go to the bookkeeping of the management company and disconnect them ... drive them there properly, what's the point of crying on the forums on the net. If you yourself allow yourself to do this, don’t complain. I also started to stir up the housing and communal services receipts last year, raised the people on the porch, explained that a thirty-odd application to the prosecutor’s office slammed and all debts immediately disappeared, and then the accounting in the Criminal Code changed.
        1. depressant
          depressant 27 December 2019 14: 59
          +1
          Captain 45, and if the organization that accrues all this is not in my village or even in the area, but in the capital of our Motherland, Moscow? Command me to go there to raid? There is no money for it!
          And the local municipal unit takes money only for water, heating, for something else. Here we go. Weeds. Because CBM is also naughty not childish, he is also oh how he wants, but put in place. However, everything within the same borders lowered from above is known by the brutal tariffs.
          Two shawls, Captain, TWO!
          One day, by the way, quite recently, someone from "hey, you are up there!", Yelled that one would need a joint payment. And I am very afraid that one payment order will have to pay off the money of the very vile organization that dug itself in Moscow for my region. This will be the CIRCUS!
          Then the population will definitely growl.
          1. Captain45
            Captain45 27 December 2019 17: 32
            -5
            Quote: depressant
            Two shawls, Captain, TWO!

            You are late, the suffering on the topic with two payments for housing and communal services were relevant two years ago. Now everything is in order. And your statement
            Quote: depressant
            the organization that accrues all this, not in my village and not even in the area, but in the capital of our Motherland, Moscow?

            generally funny. What is the boiler room, which heats the house, is controlled from Moscow? Yes, you generally have no idea about the organization of housing and communal services. Moan further like a Gorky loon.
            1. depressant
              depressant 27 December 2019 21: 31
              +3
              Captain, can you read? I have written clearly and clearly what I’m paying the local MUP for. For water, heat and more. Boiler room - in the village! For hot water and heating, I attribute the payment to MUP! There they have a cash register! In it I give money for the above. And for gas and electricity - to an organization that I physically cannot get to - is too far, time-consuming and expensive.
              What the hell is that!
              I understand that you came to the forum knowingly dissatisfied with those who are dissatisfied with the actions of the government.
              Well, this is your problem, not mine. And mine, using your vocabulary, is the lawlessness of that very loon, which can only be moaned. And when the suffering groans of tens of millions of frightened, suppressed by the power of the loons will merge into a single powerful cry, a petrel will rise into the sky!
              Do you want that?
              I voted for Putin. And I always say: let it work as I need, and not convenient for him. And I don’t ask a lot - just so as not to tear off the skin when there is nothing left to take away. He took responsibility for the country, then for me, he agreed!
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 27 December 2019 23: 31
                -2
                Quote: depressant
                What the hell is that!

                In-in! To write a statement to the prosecutor’s office, you don’t have to go to Moscow and stop at the local one and attach copies of payments
                Quote: depressant
                To an organization that I can’t physically reach is too far, time consuming and expensive.

                Maybe just for a poke?
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 28 December 2019 00: 19
                  +1
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  In-in! To write a statement to the prosecutor’s office, you don’t have to go to Moscow and stop at the local one and attach copies of payments

                  Since the New Year, tariffs for garbage removal have been doubled since we have. The people were indignant, held meetings with deputies, and promised to reduce it. And so, it happened. Starting next year, garbage tariffs will be reduced by as much as 10%! About recalculations are silent as the Japanese partisans. And there, more than half a billion poured into the accounts of operators.
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 28 December 2019 00: 29
                    0
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    Tariffs for garbage disposal were doubled.

                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    Starting next year, garbage tariffs will be reduced by as much as 10%!

                    Not special garbage request In our cooperative, everything seems to be exactly the same. But our chairman is experienced. So can it whine less and kick more often on the ground?
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 28 December 2019 00: 37
                      +2
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      So maybe less whining and kicking more often in the field?

                      Whined and kicked for a whole year. They didn’t even pay some at one time. Guess which side the court was taking? And finally, the Tariff Committee decided that our tariffs were somewhat overstated, and the goalkeeper of the night hockey league solemnly declared:
                      - The Tula region is in the top 10 regions of Russia where garbage reform has been successfully implemented. It is necessary to approach the issue of tariffs economically justified.
                2. Captain45
                  Captain45 28 December 2019 10: 16
                  -1
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  Maybe just for a poke?

                  Sister of a Crimean woman, daughter of an officer. A constant groan, I suspect that under this nickname is a warrant officer of the US cyber division. The comments began with "approvals," and gradually turned into a groan about the needs of the people and about the power of thieves.
    2. Obi-Wan Kenobi
      Obi-Wan Kenobi 27 December 2019 06: 25
      +15
      The people should not be an experimental rabbit for all kinds of liberal experiments in the form of modernization of education, pension reform, and so on.

      This is called one simple word - the genocide of his people.
      The scariest thing.
    3. Finches
      Finches 27 December 2019 06: 27
      +26
      What is surprising is that Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, using the dictatorship of the proletariat as a foundation, so as not to even defeat, but to dampen the sabotage activities of the liberal opposition and its sympathizers, who mainly adhered to the ideological views of Trotskyism, took 10 years of cardinal, sometimes very cruel steps ... This is why we have turned from an agrarian backward Empire into a powerful industrial state! Defeated fascism and flew into space! Nevertheless, immediately after the death of the Father of Nations, Khrushchev jumped into the chair of the head of state - a liberal and a pest, Khrushchev and the country rolled downhill ... The guys understood this and removed the corn plant, but it was too late - the virus of destructive liberalism penetrated all the cells of the state organism! With the arrival of Gorbachev, people who adhered only to such pro-Western international, Trotskyist, liberal-bourgeois views could get into the highest echelons of power, creating a powerful lobby in the depths of the CPSU and the leadership of the USSR, which would then destroy the country! Have they disappeared somewhere? No! They run Russia today! Putin, a liberal, never hid this, but the rudiments of a statesman woke up in him - when he realized that lying under the West is crumbs from the table! All the same, the historical essence of Russia is the Empire - and it is very dangerous to openly play liberal games with the people of Russia! But you can steal a little - the Russian people are patient! Especially if you periodically carry out actions: "Crimea is ours!", The world football championships and the Olympics - everyone will forgive you! The Russian people are also merciful!
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 27 December 2019 06: 34
        +2
        Quote: Finches
        What is surprising is that Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin used the dictatorship of the proletariat as a foundation, so that, not even to win, but to dampen the sabotage activities of the liberal stratum, which basically stood on the ideological positions of Trotskyism, it took 10 years of cardinal, sometimes very cruel steps ... from an agrarian backward Empire turned into a powerful industrial state! Defeated fascism and flew into space! Nevertheless, immediately after the death of the Father of Nations, Khrushchev jumped into the chair of the head of state - the liberal and pest Khrushchev and the country rolled downhill ... The guys understood this and removed the corn plant, but it was too late - the virus of destructive liberalism penetrated all the cells of the state organism! With the arrival of Gorbachev, people who adhered only to such pro-Western international, Trotskyist, liberal-bourgeois views could get into the highest echelons of power, creating a powerful lobby in the depths of the CPSU and the leadership of the USSR, which would then destroy the country! Have they disappeared somewhere? No! They run Russia today! Putin, a liberal, never hid this, but the rudiments of a statesman woke up in him - when he realized that lying under the West is crumbs from the table! All the same, the historical essence of Russia is the Empire - and it is very dangerous to openly play liberal games with the peoples of Russia! But you can steal a little bit - the Russian people are patient! Especially if you periodically carry out actions: "Crimea is ours!", The world football championships and the Olympics - everyone will forgive you! The Russian people are also merciful!

        beautifully painted by Eugene. and right.hi
      2. Octopus
        Octopus 27 December 2019 07: 55
        -5
        Quote: Finches
        the liberal opposition and its sympathizers, who basically adhered to the ideological views of Trotskyism

        Liberal KGB against liberal Trotskyism. Very interesting, thanks.
        1. Basil50
          Basil50 27 December 2019 08: 31
          +4
          How simple it is. They called him a liberal and he no longer ................. with claims, but kind of like a politician.
          In the RUSSIAN EMPIRE, all kinds of liberal democrats knew the meanings of these words and tried to at least join the higher nobility, realizing that otherwise they would remain lackeys. And it was precisely then that ideas arose that it seemed as though through * the power of doom * to creep to the nobility. But servility burned something inside haunted. But all the places were already divided for a long time and then these * lords of doom * began to look for a feeding trough and ideological support abroad (Herzen's example was before his eyes).
          In the SOVIET UNION, the liberal democrats blamed all their inability and failure on the PEOPLE, but their ambitions remained. Then the ideology of liberal democrats finally took shape. It was then that the bond of all these * tiligents * who used to serve the authorities and to know ... with * bohemia * (artists and other lackeys) and criminals happened.
          Since, professionally, liberal democrats without * furry hands * are insolvent, they are actively looking for those who will feed and admire them. However, they do not care who pats them on the shoulder and pays. For the sake of food, liberal democrats are ready for anything, and do not hesitate to demonstrate it.
          1. Octopus
            Octopus 27 December 2019 08: 43
            -1
            As all is not easy, it turns out.
          2. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 27 December 2019 15: 03
            +3
            Quote: Vasily50
            In the RUSSIAN EMPIRE, all kinds of liberal democrats knew the meanings of these words and tried to at least join the higher nobility, realizing that otherwise they would remain lackeys. And it was precisely then that ideas arose that it seemed as though through * the power of doom * to creep to the nobility. But servility burned something inside haunted. But all the places were already divided for a long time and then these * lords of doom * began to look for a feeding trough and ideological support abroad (Herzen's example was before his eyes).

            In support of your words, there is a poem by N. Yazikov written in 1844 year! "TO WE ARE". In fact, it directly echoes the article under discussion and emphasizes the truth that the liberals in Russia were harmful then and now ... and equally disliked everything connected with Russia and the achievements of its people.
            "Oh you who want
            Overcome, ruin us
            And Germanize Russia, heed
            My heartfelt exclamation!
            Whoever you are a fellow
            And my brother, whether the old man is miserable,
            Her solemn traitor, her arrogant slanderer
            Or you are a sweet-spoken scribe,
            Oracle of the youths of the ignoramus
            You are a frivolous companion
            Dissolute thoughts and hopes.
            And you, innocent and amiable
            A fan of dark books and words
            The perceiver is gracious
            Alien mistakes and sins;
            You arrogant and daring people
            You reckless stronghold
            Teachings of the school of the godless,
            You all are not Russian people!

            Do not like you holy work
            And the glory of our old days
            Doesn’t live in you, it’s dead in you
            Native feeling. You are full
            Not that great and beautiful
            Love for the motherland, not that
            The fire is pure, the flame is clear
            Raises you, lives in you
            Love is not for truth and good!
            The voice of the people is the voice of God
            He does not give rise to courage in you
            He is alien, he is strange, wild for you.
            Our best traditions to you
            Funny, meaningless sound;
            Mighty great grandfathers deed
            They don’t tell you anything;
            Your pride despises them,
            Shrines of the ancient Kremlin,
            Hope, strength, our strength -
            Nothing to you! Russian land
            you will not receive enlightenment
            You are scared of her; Are you in Love
            In your treacherous opinions
            And blasphemous dreams!
            Blasphemy and flattery
            Do not you transform it,
            You who do not know how with her
            Neither live, nor sing, nor speak!
            Your anger is silent
            Your tongue will freeze;
            Strong, reliable Holy Russia
            And the Russian God is still great!
            The verse was written 175 years ago, but as if about today.
      3. Mestny
        Mestny 27 December 2019 09: 50
        -9
        Quote: Finches
        What is surprising - Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin using the dictatorship of the proletariat as a foundation, so as not to even defeat, but to suppress the wrecking activities of the liberal opposition and its sympathizers, who basically adhered to the ideological views of Trotskyism, took 10 years of drastic, sometimes very cruel steps ...

        And what are the results?
        As soon as he died (and still not the fact that on his own) - the very same Stalinist leaders immediately began to tear everything.
        Which remained after such a selection, such a serious work.
        What is the conclusion? And here - the Stalinist management system could exist only at a certain period in certain crisis conditions, and could not be adapted to them, conditions, changes.
        The world has changed, but the system is not.
        Therefore, she immediately died, and her followers famously danced and tore accordions on her wreckage.
        Actually the same thing shakes the USSR.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 27 December 2019 12: 00
          +3
          Quote: Mestny
          As soon as he died (and still not the fact that on his own) - the very same Stalinist leaders immediately began to tear everything.

          what is your forecast for the future? laughing
      4. New Year day
        New Year day 27 December 2019 12: 00
        +6
        Quote: Finches
        Putin, the liberal, never hid it, but the rudiments of a statesman woke up in him - when he realized that lying under the West was crumbs from the table!

        that's it! And if he didn’t understand, the old song would go on. But mind you, he is still the paraffin of the USSR and all the social gains of that system.
      5. Vadim237
        Vadim237 27 December 2019 14: 53
        -6
        Be a corn farmer a liberal - the economy of the USSR would become a mixed market planned with private property, etc., and so the rights of citizens in this regard were only squeezed.
    4. Sergey1987
      Sergey1987 27 December 2019 13: 08
      +1
      Quote: Dalny V
      Exactly. The Kremlin is a hotbed of "liberalism". And Putin is the head of this whole Caudla.
      Although now Boris Polsta Fifth will come running and explain that this is never the case)))

      For whom did the author write this article if he did not want to read the first scribe. Read what liberalism and conservatism at least are.
    5. Megatron
      Megatron 30 December 2019 00: 23
      0
      That's right, Putin, beloved by many "patriots", is the main liberal and Westernizer.
    6. Alik lebedev
      Alik lebedev 28 March 2020 04: 56
      0
      Just not so, my friend.
  2. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 27 December 2019 05: 36
    +7
    Liberals today turn information in the media in ways that are beneficial to themselves They are allowed, and not just allowed, but encouraged to turn the information to their advantage.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 27 December 2019 06: 48
      -1
      The people should not be experimental rabbit for all kinds of liberal experiments in the form of modernization of education, pension reform and so on.
      Posted by: who?
      it will be more true ....
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 27 December 2019 09: 58
        -4
        Well who?
        Let the people know the truth!
        The article is about you.
        In your opinion, "everything is bad," and "he" is to blame for this. And if you remove "him", and put yours, the correct one, then everything will immediately work out.
        So?
        And here then your lie. Everything bad does not happen in principle, it happens and vice versa, good.
        And if it is good, then whose merit is it. Well, if "he" is to blame for "bad", then "he" is probably also for "good"?
        Or you have it - for good only yours, gingerbread men eat, well done.
        This is what the "Russian liberal" is. About this and the article.
        1. balunn
          balunn 27 December 2019 10: 39
          +5
          An article where everything was mixed in one heap is not about that. The article is about the fact that if you express disagreement with the current government, you are a traitor to the Motherland (called liberals in the article).
  3. samarin1969
    samarin1969 27 December 2019 05: 41
    +11
    The anti-liberal Manifesto of Mr. Polonsky is brilliance! ... Only, it is not entirely correct to trace the genesis of liberalism to dissidents. In the biographies of the "high seats", as well as their parents, there are solid former "party and Soviet workers". As the deceased sang there, "you can rebuild the face, well, but the soul - never."
    1. lucul
      lucul 27 December 2019 06: 06
      +5
      Only, to trace the genesis of liberalism to dissidents is not entirely true. In the biographies of the "high seats", as well as their parents, there are solid former "party and Soviet workers". As the deceased sang there, "you can rebuild the face, well, but the soul - never."

      You just have to watch the TV series - "Sleepers", there are many answers.
      The forge of liberalism - these are our universities - it is there that the teachers begin to process and zombify the future elite of Russia.
      A liberal can be born in Moscow or Votkinsk, Novosibirsk or Novoshakhtinsk, be ethnically quite a Russian person, but at the same time he will hate Russia before his stupor,

      There are no more than 10% of the total mass of liberals. They are accepted into their ranks so that they no longer look like an alien element on the body of the country - mimicry, in a word ....
      1. Far B
        Far B 27 December 2019 06: 12
        +13
        future elite
        There is no future elite. The elite is the best there is for a given period of time. It's just that we have completely distorted the meaning of this word, calling any husk that was brought up to the top as "elite".
        However, this is so, marginal notes.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 27 December 2019 12: 02
          +6
          Quote: Dalny V
          There is no future elite.


          With such representatives she is not.
      2. balunn
        balunn 27 December 2019 10: 44
        0
        So let’s like in the 30s of all professors in the camps?
        Are you crazy?
        1. Edmond dantes
          Edmond dantes 27 December 2019 11: 52
          +3
          Everyone is not needed, only from the HSE. Graduates can also be sent to catch up.
        2. Far B
          Far B 28 December 2019 05: 02
          +1
          Straight to everyone ??? Oh. Do you run out of pills or did Stalin bite you?
    2. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 27 December 2019 06: 38
      +2
      Quote: samarin1969
      The anti-liberal Manifesto of Mr. Polonsky is brilliance! ... Only, it is not entirely correct to trace the genesis of liberalism to dissidents. In the biographies of the "high seats", as well as their parents, there are solid former "party and Soviet workers". As the deceased sang there, "you can rebuild the face, well, but the soul - never."

      apparently, there was only a name from the "Soviet" ... but the inside was rotten, not ours. and talcum "applied" the test! he is still a White Guard.
    3. A man with a capital letter
      A man with a capital letter 27 December 2019 06: 46
      0
      It’s possible, only it’s difficult
    4. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 27 December 2019 08: 52
      +7
      Quote: samarin1969
      The anti-liberal Manifesto of Mr. Polonsky is brilliance! ... Only, it is not entirely correct to trace the genesis of liberalism to dissidents. In the biographies of the "high seats", as well as their parents, there are solid former "party and Soviet workers". As the deceased sang there, "you can rebuild the face, well, but the soul - never."

      So the Soviet workers privatized the national (socialist) property, ruining the USSR. I wanted people to live, as in the decaying West, but for themselves, and not for the people)).
  4. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 27 December 2019 05: 43
    +10
    Liberals, liberals .... And not one surname is not voiced! feel
    1. lucul
      lucul 27 December 2019 06: 11
      -2
      Liberals, liberals

      Left bank, right bank, rough snow, ice edge ....
    2. Avior
      Avior 27 December 2019 06: 16
      +5
      Why? Just in the whole article about these same liberals, only one surname is voiced - the only last name of the head of the Team of the Most Dangerous Liberals
      In fact, there are no less, if not more, liberals around Vladimir Putin in the square. And these liberals are much more dangerous than street ones, among whom there are simply a lot of posers or lost people.

      In it as an author turned!
      And here he tells us about squares and universities. And there it turns out, just people who got lost, and dangerous liberals, according to the author, they are not in the squares, they are where you are hiding! smile
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 27 December 2019 10: 00
        -4
        The author wrote to both. This is called "both yours and ours."
        That is what the leader of a country like ours is forced to do.
        Both. And to build bridges, and "Yeltsin-centers".
        Because as one give, others are mortally offended. And the citizens are both.
    3. depressant
      depressant 27 December 2019 06: 20
      +14
      What do you mean are not voiced?
      I voiced: the State Duma, the Federation Council, the government led by Medvedev, the presidential administration headed by the president, and also friends of the president. Lists are attached on the Internet.
      You can add Gref, Nabiullina, Kudrin, Chubais, a list of Forbes, etc., as well as governors with a code of deputies, city governors and heads of village councils.
      Lists are attached on the Internet.
      Only it does not say that these are thieves. And they are, what liberals are there! They didn’t stand near.
      1. balunn
        balunn 27 December 2019 10: 47
        +2
        Lyudmila Yakovlvena, in accordance with the article, you undermine the system laughing
        These are all "holy" people, excellent managers and experienced business executives. The country holds on to them.
        1. depressant
          depressant 27 December 2019 15: 07
          +3
          Balunn, the system that undermines the country deserves to be undermined.
          1. balunn
            balunn 27 December 2019 15: 36
            +2
            Erase ... And then the cheers-patriots, in accordance with the new law on respect for the authorities, make a slander. insult the feelings of believers in the holy EdRo so to speak
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  5. Dart2027
    Dart2027 27 December 2019 05: 53
    +2
    Well, firstly, in RI, liberals were the same as now, and autocracy was just an excuse, and secondly, it’s ridiculous to read an article which first shows demonstrators with a banner against Putin, and then says that he is the main liberal.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 27 December 2019 08: 59
      +3
      Quote: Dart2027
      Well, firstly, in RI, liberals were the same as now, and autocracy was just an excuse, and secondly, it’s ridiculous to read an article which first shows demonstrators with a banner against Putin, and then says that he is the main liberal.

      In RI there was a terrible separation of the elite from the people. The French / British / German aristocrat loved his people. And the Russian loved his standard of living and the opportunity to spend money abroad - on education, treatment, recreation, real estate. And he fought for the preservation thereof, not for the country and not for the people. Understanding that in any other country in the world he will not have freebies in the form of serfs (later tenants). Therefore, in the end, they rummaged around their country, or rather, a way of life.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 27 December 2019 12: 04
        +5
        Quote: Krasnodar
        In RI there was a terrible separation of the elite from the people.

        no doubt! And now? Are they flesh of the people? laughing
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Therefore, in the end, they croaked their country
        request
        and then what will happen?
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 27 December 2019 12: 09
          +3
          Now they are not flesh from the people, but some of them come from the people. I hope that nothing will happen, because their children return from Europe with different outlooks on life
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 27 December 2019 12: 14
            +6
            Quote: Krasnodar
            nothing will happen, because their children return from Europe with different outlooks on life

            You mean the daughter of Peskov or the grandson of Zolotov, and maybe the son of Patrushev?
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 27 December 2019 12: 23
              +3
              I mean the children of my friends laughing
              I am not familiar with the people you mentioned above, I don’t know their children ...)).
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 27 December 2019 13: 17
                +4
                Quote: Krasnodar
                I mean the children of my friends

                Neither my children, perhaps nor yours, have any influence on the choice of power.
                As my friend, who emigrated to Israel, said, for this it was necessary to be born in another bed
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 27 December 2019 19: 11
                  +2
                  Do they need it? )))
      2. depressant
        depressant 27 December 2019 15: 22
        +3
        Krasnodar, hardly a French, German or English liberal, loved and continues to love his people - read Stendhal! But he has nowhere to go from the territory - not to Russia for permanent residence! And not to Africa. So he equips the place of stay, involuntarily becoming a long-term travel companion of his people. And the Russian liberal always had a place to go — to where they would comfort him, feed him and sip by bending down against the Russian people — to England, Germany, France, then to the USA. Because the Russian liberal is bent in front of them, it means, by definition, corrupt. Our liberal is not even a companion for us. He is our enemy.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 27 December 2019 19: 12
          +3
          Why has he nowhere to go? The whole world is in front of him.
      3. Dart2027
        Dart2027 27 December 2019 19: 08
        +2
        Quote: Krasnodar
        The French / British / German aristocrat loved his people.

        Yeah. He loved it so much that from the school course he immediately remembered the enclosure.
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Understanding that in any other country in the world he will not have freebies in the form of serfs (later tenants).

        This is precisely what they did not understand. But the rest of the elites have always remembered that in their country they are gentlemen, and in no one else.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 27 December 2019 19: 14
          +3
          Let's just say that the western elite is closer to their own. Ours is anyone but ours.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 27 December 2019 19: 27
            +1
            Quote: Krasnodar
            the western elite are closer to their own. Our - anyone but their

            You could say that. It’s just that the elite is smarter than love.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 27 December 2019 19: 42
              +2
              Not really. In any case, they treat their "commoners" better than foreigners. About smarter - I do not know. Most likely - who is used to what
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 27 December 2019 20: 40
                0
                Quote: Krasnodar
                In any case, they treat their "commoners" better than foreigners. About smarter - I do not know.

                This is what I mean by the word "smarter".
  6. maden.usmanow
    maden.usmanow 27 December 2019 05: 57
    +3
    What is one social policy pursued by the Russian authorities! Is this not liberalism? When the market is put in first place, but they prefer not to talk about national interests (as about something indecent).

    70% of the Russian economy, under state administration. The market is less and less, continuous monopolies;
    The problem of social policy, not in liberals, but in the absence of political competition. Continuous appointees from above; security guards, relatives, friends of friends. Classical feudalism.
    1. Far B
      Far B 27 December 2019 06: 14
      +9
      70% of the Russian economy, under state administration
      What do you call public administration? Appointment "for feeding", in the real sense of the term, of any Sechins / Millers, etc.? I would not call it public administration.
      1. depressant
        depressant 27 December 2019 06: 50
        +1
        SovkomFlot is a 100% state-owned company; God knows since when they have been trying to sell it, but no one takes it.
        Until 2022, the goal was set to privatize:
        Transneft - 78,55% state participation
        Rostelecom - 45, 04% of the same
        Rosseti - 88, 04%
        United Grain Company - 50% plus one share.
        Maybe not such tidbits, otherwise "friends" would have snapped it up long ago?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 27 December 2019 09: 35
          +2
          Sheremetyevo in line.
        2. Dynamic systems
          Dynamic systems 27 December 2019 10: 41
          +1
          List of ships. Everyone in the offshore and taxes in Russia do not pay.
          https://fleetphoto.ru/list.php?eid_own=3064
          Sovcomflot or SCF
        3. Vadim237
          Vadim237 27 December 2019 15: 03
          -1
          To privatize from the list - the United Grain Company and Rosseti have already been removed.
    2. DNS-a42
      DNS-a42 27 December 2019 06: 45
      +5
      Again this nonsense about 70%. Some anonymous published an extremely dubious report, which was already refuted by all who could.

      The IMF estimated the state's share in the Russian economy at 33% https://www.rbc.ru/economics/12/03/2019/5c879e0c9a79472f59316a90

      Classical feudalism.

      Classical modern monopoly capitalism. Forget about free competition, it remained in the 19th century, monopolies rule in the modern world.
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 27 December 2019 06: 47
      +8
      Quote: maden.usmanow
      70% of the Russian economy, under state administration. The market is less and less, continuous monopolies;

      Are you not ashamed to bear all this nonsense?
      State-owned hydrocarbon sales market? And fuel prices are dictated by the market ... laughing
      Alcohol and tobacco market under state administration? The banking system under state administration?
      But we did not know that this particular state was driving roundwood to China? We did not expect that the state cannot collect a progressive PIT (with all its repressive apparatus of the Russian Guard, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Prosecutor's Office and the Court), but it can only increase the retirement age ...
      Although ... If you dig deeper, it is the state that is interested in performing government contracts with multiple excesses of expenses and lobbying for the interests of a certain part, I’m not afraid of this word, the former citizens of Russia (USSR) ...
      hi
      1. depressant
        depressant 27 December 2019 07: 04
        +13
        ROSS 42, but since January, all information about people with disabilities, pensioners and some other unfortunate people will have to go to the tax office. A pensioner who hides wages will be required to pay a fine of 20 thousand or more.
        And in general, being in stores, I just hear conversations around that come down to one thing - it became scary to live, you don’t know what to expect tomorrow. Do you understand? It was not harder to live, but scary. And I thought - only to me.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 27 December 2019 08: 19
          +5
          Quote: depressant
          Do you understand? It was not harder to live, but scary. And I thought - only to me.

          People are not so much afraid of difficulties, for it is known from many that such difficulties as were during the years of war (WWII), we did not achieve, but how much our own hopelessness. This is the worst thing when a person sees that the government continues to exacerbate its existence, but can no longer do anything.
          Here Pronko was glad that they were preparing for us:

          Surely lying ...
        2. Octopus
          Octopus 27 December 2019 08: 46
          -2
          Quote: depressant
          life was scary, you don’t know what to expect tomorrow

          Stability - it is so peculiar.
        3. New Year day
          New Year day 27 December 2019 12: 07
          +2
          Quote: depressant
          I just hear around conversations that come down to one thing - life has become scary, you don’t know what to expect tomorrow.

          Lyudmila Yakovlevna! but...
          1. depressant
            depressant 27 December 2019 17: 11
            +1
            Silvestr, but in the portrait Putin is still young, promising! I do not think that there are still old women with such exalted behavior. Putin is no longer an icon, they will not be applied. I am a witness: old women are very concerned about the cost of drugs, which have risen in price at times. And I already said that two years ago 30 tablets of orthophene cost 10 rubles, and now 20 tablets - 42 rubles. Imagine the price of those medicines that were originally expensive.
            Unable to put in place the host of thieves and national traitors that had bred over the years of his reign, not knowing what to do with them, not wanting to do anything, Putin chose to lead them by deceiving our votes. Including mine. And now it produces hopelessness and fear legally. His portraits do not myrrh, because for a long time they are not icons.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 27 December 2019 17: 18
              +3
              Quote: depressant
              how much more expensive are those drugs that were originally expensive.

              I imagine, I’m also chasing the prestarium
              Quote: depressant
              Putin is no longer an icon, they will not be applied.

              for us, and for some, God, alas
      2. Octopus
        Octopus 27 December 2019 08: 39
        -2
        Quote: ROSS 42
        And fuel prices are dictated by the market

        No. The price of fuel is set by the state directly. The main share in the price of fuel at a gas station is excise and taxes. Talk about the markets is when you want to raise this price.
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Alcohol and tobacco market under state administration?

        Partly yes, it is a highly regulated market. What are you talking about specifically?
        Quote: ROSS 42
        The banking system under state administration?

        Yes, sure. First, in the top five largest banks by assets, only Alpha is relatively private. Secondly, the Russian banking system has a very distant relation to the market; in fact, it is administered by the Central Bank.
        Quote: ROSS 42
        does the state drive roundwood to China?

        How does this forest go through customs?
        Quote: ROSS 42
        If you dig deeper, it is the state that is interested in executing government contracts with multiple excesses of expenses and lobbying for the interests of a certain part, I will not be afraid of this word, the former citizens of Russia

        It depends on what is considered a state. As one undersized national leader said about this, "The state is me."
  7. nikvic46
    nikvic46 27 December 2019 06: 07
    +1
    The period of Yeltsin’s presidency was not in vain. It was at that time that all this flourished. And we are told that this bitter time was a cure for the people. Someone cure, and someone cube.
    1. Far B
      Far B 27 December 2019 06: 19
      +18
      Yeltsin’s presidency ended 20 years ago. Maybe enough nodding at him? We have one rower for a whole generation, the course of the galley, and you are all "Yeltsin, Yeltsin".
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 27 December 2019 06: 42
        +7
        Quote: Far In
        Yeltsin’s presidency ended 20 years ago. Maybe enough nodding at him? We have one rower for a whole generation, the course of the galley, and you are all "Yeltsin, Yeltsin".

        you do not know who led the rower by the hand?
        1. Far B
          Far B 27 December 2019 06: 53
          +8
          I know something. Therefore, I say that you need to ask for the current state of the country from the current rower, and not from a long time ago, ahem, EBN. If the rower wanted, in 20 years he would have been able to change the course 20 times. I didn’t want to.
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 27 December 2019 08: 23
            +6
            Quote: Dalny V
            If the rower wanted, in 20 years he would 20 times could change the course. I didn’t want to.

            The rower in the gallery cannot change course. There is an overseer who determines the intensity of rowing and the speed of movement of the galley with a whip. And a completely different face is plotting ... laughing
            1. bionik
              bionik 27 December 2019 09: 03
              +4
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Quote: Dalny V
              If the rower wanted, in 20 years he would 20 times could change the course. I didn’t want to.

              The rower in the gallery cannot change course. There is an overseer who determines the intensity of rowing and the speed of movement of the galley with a whip. And a completely different face is plotting ... laughing

              It is for sure that the rower still needs a navigator, and as they say, "The king is made by the retinue."
            2. Far B
              Far B 28 December 2019 05: 19
              +2
              [quote] The rower in the gallery cannot change course. There is an overseer who determines the intensity of rowing and the speed of the galley with a whip [quote] Bullshit. this rower built a system when there is no one else. There were no navigators at that time. There were pilots. Yes.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 27 December 2019 15: 06
            -4
            Question - And what state of the country do you need?
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 27 December 2019 12: 12
        +6
        Quote: Dalny V
        Maybe stop nodding at him?

        everything is right, therefore they are already nodding at the USSR, at Hitler, Nicholas II. get to Napoleon soon
    2. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 27 December 2019 06: 41
      +1
      Quote: nikvic46
      The period of Yeltsin’s presidency was not in vain. It was during this time that all this flourished.

      from His submission! You need to speak bluntly.
    3. Avior
      Avior 27 December 2019 06: 43
      +3
      You can still compare with 1913, when the Union was fashionable.
      If there is no power in power for 20 years, there was a time to correct him, if
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 27 December 2019 06: 20
    +5
    laughing The liberals sang in the ears about the president’s pension reform ... so as an example ... And about the roots ... Semiboyarschina in the Time of Troubles, this is so ... laughing
    its roots do not go back to that pre-revolutionary Russian liberalism, which wanted to limit the autocracy and introduce certain freedoms.
    ... The overthrow of the king in February, it happened by chance ... the liberals ... overdid it ... laughing EDRO ... and the rest, as I understand from the article, are not at all liberals, but they have a strong liberal lobby in the party
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 27 December 2019 06: 25
    0
    They privatized the right to express “public opinion”,

    What's so unusual?
    There, in the capitals, at the top, everyone is seizing something!
    To whom the "opinion", because they did not get anything else, they don’t give it back, others will never give it back to anyone !!!
    By the way, what about us ???
  10. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 27 December 2019 06: 30
    +9
    I read it with great difficulty understanding that the author had mixed in this heap. Firstly, the thought immediately arose:

    The most abomination of those who call themselves liberals is that they sincerely hate their native state.

    The most abomination of liberals is that they never knew the real price of a penny and that they have been working in their language all their lives, abandoning their own “values” as they lose them or because of the circumstances.

    The most dangerous thing in Russian “liberalism” is that now the liberals have monopolized the right to speak on behalf of the public.

    The most nasty thing is that the power that left this clan threw some of its like-minded people into a confrontation with the people of Russia, giving them the right to broadcast their views, turning the population into a silent electorate.

    Probably, in no country in the world there is such a large social force, which would so intensely hate their homeland.

    Again the same ... "Fatherland" and "Your Excellency"; “State” and “Country” ... You just don’t see that the numerous sections of the Russian population love their country and hate this liberal state, which constantly lies.

    The people should not be an experimental rabbit for all kinds of liberal experiments in the form of modernization of education, pension reform, and so on.

    Which of the representatives of the people would doubt it? Which of the representatives of the liberal government would achieve this?
    hi
  11. Gardamir
    Gardamir 27 December 2019 06: 49
    +16
    All right, it's high up to the Kremlin, but here. We are discussing the article and some people start to express myself, "ha-ha, they will now start talking about raising pensions." So who is a liberal, those who suffer from the increase in pensions, or those who here on the site support the increase in pensions, the optimization of schools, Central Asian doctors in the clinic, who hate the Soviet period in our history.
    Maybe because gentlemen liberal site and support the president, because they know he is his own.
    From Victory from the cross and, tricolors, stripes, there was nothing left, they privatized everything here.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 27 December 2019 07: 42
      +11
      hi The meaning of the article is interesting, who is not with the authorities, who are influenced by the liberal lobby, that liberal .. laughing
  12. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 27 December 2019 06: 55
    +4
    By the way, this exact description of the liberals is quite consistent with the description of our Belarusian opposition - the same venal pro-Western trash who lives on Western grants and earns a clear anti-Belarusian orientation, explaining this to "bastard zrazhim". With us, everything is bad and everything is lost and the authorities are solely to blame. I crossed paths a couple of times with similar ones - the impression is disgusting stop
    As they say - it’s good where we are not, but this is not a reason to shit in your own house what smile
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 27 December 2019 08: 32
      -2
      Quote: Rurikovich
      Our type is all bad and everything is lost and the fault is solely the power.

      yes ... if you have a bulb of 59 kopecks against our 23 rubles in "five" ... everything is bad with you .... wassat
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 27 December 2019 10: 15
        -4
        What about strawberries?
        Provided the people 59 cents a kilogram?
  13. Van 16
    Van 16 27 December 2019 06: 58
    +12
    All the "liberalism" of our government boils down to one thing - an increase in prices, tariffs, duties on everything that is possible, plus tightening the screws under cheerful speeches in messages and straight lines.
    1. tarakan
      tarakan 27 December 2019 07: 18
      -7
      A lot of big requisitions ??? Come to Europe Latvia and compare and you will sleep peacefully at home
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 27 December 2019 07: 51
        +12
        and let's compare with Afghanistan? Then we generally live in paradise ..
      2. Octopus
        Octopus 27 December 2019 08: 28
        -4
        Quote: tarakan
        Come to Europe Latvia and compare

        And what is wrong in Latvia?
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 27 December 2019 10: 20
          -2
          I know such a family personally. She is from Latvia, he is Russian from Russia.
          Of course, they constantly wind up there, relatives there, and all that.
          And it’s understandable all the time they are excitedly telling how wonderful they are there, and how we have the other way around.
          Naturally asked - so why the hell are you sitting here? Are there relatives there, and life is beautiful? Fill there. especially no children, no loans.
          They hesitate in response, muttering something inarticulate, about what is good for them here.
          Okay. Good. I ask another question - and if it’s good here, then why are you watering all this with mud? What else would be worse for us here? Or for what?
          Logical dead end.
          It turns out that here it’s normal, and there, everywhere, there are flaws and vice versa.
          That's all, all liberalism.
      3. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 27 December 2019 09: 45
        -1
        Quote: tarakan
        A lot of big requisitions ??? Come to Europe Latvia

        you there ...
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 27 December 2019 15: 09
          -8
          And to you from here.
      4. Lynx33
        Lynx33 28 December 2019 07: 41
        0
        In Latvia, requisitions are not hidden, and in Russia there are a lot of hidden requisitions, which people do not even suspect. For example, how many of you know that you pay about 6% of your salary tax on medicine, considering it free? Very many do not even suspect this, because the employer pays it for you, transferring it to the tax along with your 13% official tax. As a result, if you calculate all taxes, fees, excise taxes, etc. the total amount of taxes will be between 60 and 70% of our salary. I recommend anyone interested in reading an article in Yandex Zen about how much we actually pay taxes.
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 27 December 2019 09: 22
      +5
      This is liberalism. We are a resource for satisfying liberal desires.
  14. Rimlianin
    Rimlianin 27 December 2019 07: 39
    -7
    Maybe enough already to look for enemies among their citizens and argue about who loves the homeland more? Not tired of plugging your throat? And liberals, and communists and followers of Navalny and others are free to express their opinion, fight for power (by legal means). This is written in the Constitution of Russia, the guarantor of which is the President. An independent and strong parliament, court, free media - this is what will give the country ongoing development and order. And the search for enemies is a direct path to civil conflict. The author has a fat minus.
    1. Octopus
      Octopus 27 December 2019 08: 27
      +1
      Quote: Rimlianin
      An independent and strong parliament, court, free media - this is what will give the country progressive development and order

      And the pink unicorns will be?
      1. Rimlianin
        Rimlianin 27 December 2019 08: 38
        -6
        What are you talking about, dear?
        1. Octopus
          Octopus 27 December 2019 08: 41
          +4
          The fact that all of the above has never been in Russia, and, quite possibly, never will be. At the very least, it seems to follow one from the other.
          1. Rimlianin
            Rimlianin 27 December 2019 09: 05
            -4
            All of the above is already there. In the Constitution. Of course, not everything is realized in real life. But we must strive for this, and not complain about a bad share, national characteristics and other nonsense.
            1. Octopus
              Octopus 27 December 2019 09: 24
              +2
              Quote: Rimlianin
              All of the above is already there. In the Constitution

              Extremist literature has written a lot.
              Quote: Rimlianin
              we must strive for this

              In beautiful Russia of the future, if it suddenly happens, the constitution will be completely rewritten.
              1. Rimlianin
                Rimlianin 27 December 2019 09: 38
                +1
                You can not respect the Constitution, do not love it - this is your right. But this is the main, main law of the country. So take the trouble to explain where you saw extremism in the Constitution? Or so, just to blurt out?
                1. Octopus
                  Octopus 27 December 2019 09: 46
                  0
                  Quote: Rimlianin
                  So take the trouble to explain where you saw extremism in the Constitution?

                  If we talk about law enforcement practice, then, naturally, chapter two. It is now being read as the head of the criminal code.

                  If we talk about the essence - this constitution, I remind you, was written on the basis of a coup in order to maintain the power of the usurper. If you prefer a republic, but I have the impression, you will need a different constitution.
                  1. Rimlianin
                    Rimlianin 27 December 2019 09: 49
                    -3
                    And what is contrary to the republican type of government in our Constitution?
                    1. Octopus
                      Octopus 27 December 2019 10: 06
                      +4
                      Quote: Rimlianin
                      What is contrary to the republican type of government in our Constitution?

                      Under republican rule, taking into account national characteristics, the constitution should be written in such a way as to prevent the emergence of a dictatorship. The Russian constitution was written with exactly the opposite goal, to protect the autocracy. It was originally made by the liberal tanker Yeltsin and other holy people; it was not St. Petersburg lawyers who perverted it.
                      1. Rimlianin
                        Rimlianin 27 December 2019 10: 10
                        0
                        In general, I agree with you. But strong presidential power is not a usurpation of power. The problem here is not in the Constitution, but in its application, or rather non-application. The Stalinist constitution of 1936 was breakthrough and very democratic at the time. But this did not stop the troikas from "working", sentencing hundreds of thousands of people to death without trial or investigation.
                      2. Mestny
                        Mestny 27 December 2019 10: 23
                        0
                        That is, the Stalinist constitution was also not respected in its main articles?
                        That's right, I include the Soviet one.
                        Moreover, this happens even with the American constitution.
                        Real world.
                      3. Octopus
                        Octopus 27 December 2019 10: 42
                        +1
                        Quote: Rimlianin
                        The problem here is not in the Constitution, but in its application, or rather non-application

                        No, not only.
                        In the exemplary presidential republic, the United States, at least twice in the twentieth century, mafiosi entered the White House, or, to put it mildly, politicians associated with reputable businessmen, both for life. Russia, obviously, will never be a model republic, so the option with a lifelong mafia is basic in Russia, and all institutions should be laid on it. Yes, it is likely to become a cumbersome and inefficient system, such as Bosnia and Herzegovina, but either this or that.
                      4. Rimlianin
                        Rimlianin 27 December 2019 10: 48
                        0
                        Maybe just remove the word "in a row"?
                      5. Octopus
                        Octopus 27 December 2019 10: 51
                        +1
                        1. What will make you clean?
                        2. What will prevent return back?
                      6. Rimlianin
                        Rimlianin 27 December 2019 11: 09
                        +1
                        Difficult question. With a constitutional majority in Parliament, nothing. But here it is quite difficult to do anything by legislative consolidation. It all depends on the degree of civilian maturity of society.
                      7. Octopus
                        Octopus 27 December 2019 11: 55
                        +2
                        Quote: Rimlianin
                        it’s quite difficult to do anything here through legislative consolidation

                        One of the problems of backward countries is that there are no good solutions for them. In fact, the modernizing dictator is the only success story that I can recall. Mr. Putin seemed like that for the first year or two. But it ceased to seem no later than 2003 (and to clever people - right away, already on its background).
      2. tarakan
        tarakan 27 December 2019 14: 13
        +1
        "Will there be pink unicorns?" There will be !!! January 1st drinks drinks
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 27 December 2019 09: 19
      +4
      Quote: Rimlianin
      It may be enough already to look for enemies among your citizens

      Maybe it's time to start? "If you wear Adidas, you will definitely sell your homeland!" For years, we had affectionate conversations with all these youngsters who perished from Western music and bought up firm clothes. Well, they grew up and sold, betrayed the second most powerful Power on the planet. Destroyed her. And right now they continue to plunder the remains and natural resources. We must BEGIN to search, and very seriously.
      To unite? With people who rob the people and kill the future of the country? How wise ...
      1. Rimlianin
        Rimlianin 27 December 2019 09: 27
        -1
        Who conducted affectionate conversations? What kind of conversations? An example of such conversations? Nobody talked with me, my parents, so you have paranoia, dear. And in what way did my parents ruin the USSR? Because they worked honestly, believed in their country, and its future?
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 27 December 2019 09: 38
          +2
          Weren't your parents allowed to share the Big Cake? Oh sorry! Sorry! You know, not all traitors are lucky! Not for everyone! Only a few get the pieces ...
          An example of such conversations? Very simple. In the Stalinist USSR, they were imprisoned for "groveling before the West." If he was not just chatting, but confirming his "groveling" by deed, they would shoot like a dog. And that USSR went through stages of explosive development, destroyed half the world in the most terrible war in the history of mankind, went into space, etc.
          After Joseph Vissarionovich, "preventive work" began, which led to what we now see around. But they would continue to shoot and plant ...
          1. Rimlianin
            Rimlianin 27 December 2019 09: 46
            -1
            If I had the opportunity, I would send you to this great USSR in 1929, to the Russian village. What would you have gone through all the stages of explosive development: dispossession, collectivization, hunger, pre-war repression. And it’s good to yap from today's warm sofa.
            Ps I wonder why all scum thinks that he will shoot, and not him?
            1. Aerodrome
              Aerodrome 27 December 2019 10: 14
              0
              Quote: Rimlianin
              Ps I wonder why all scum thinks that he will shoot, and not him?

              I join the question ... and I see the Roman cap within the axes ...
            2. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 27 December 2019 11: 30
              +1
              No opportunity. And then I myself went. It will be very fun here very soon too. But, unlike the past, there is neither Stalin nor that party, that is, there is no hope.
            3. Vadim237
              Vadim237 27 December 2019 15: 14
              -2
              Ps I wonder why all scum thinks that he will shoot, and not him? Probably because these guys have problems - their self-esteem and their parallel world are too high.
        2. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 27 December 2019 09: 40
          0
          Quote: Rimlianin
          Who conducted affectionate conversations? What kind of conversations? An example of such conversations? Nobody talked with me, my parents,

          gee ... it seems to you ... but I remember how from the mid 90s I showed the TV to children. There, only manure flew to the USSR ... turned on cartoons on cartridges to them, kind, Soviet. p \ s didn’t really help ... just talk where to go. drove the youth. no work, no future. glory ep
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 27 December 2019 23: 47
            +1
            Quote: Aerodrome
            included cartoons on cartridges for them, kind, soviet. p \ s didn’t help much ... just talk where to go.

            They began to leave the USSR as soon as the door was opened Massovo
      2. balunn
        balunn 27 December 2019 10: 59
        +4
        The Power was destroyed not by youngsters in adidas, but by uncles from large offices who wanted power.
  15. Pravodel
    Pravodel 27 December 2019 07: 42
    +4
    Finally, they have long been waiting for such an article in the editorial. You can add a lot more to this, but the quintessence of what has been said: liberals in Russia are our enemies, not the direct ones we see in Poland and other countries with an avid democracy, but hidden enemies working against Russia, the people of Russia, ready to cling to the throat of the Fatherland, people with bloody claws and teeth, tear to pieces the Motherland at the slightest slack of power. And this is the whole horror of the current state. The main question: how to rid Russia of ghouls, creatures that parasitize on its body, shake out traitors from the power structures, mass media, or do you need another 37 years, does Stalin need ?!

    The nation-state-homeland is the slogan of every patriot in Russia. A strong state, a united people, a prosperous country for centuries, which cannot be broken by internal and external enemies.
    1. Rimlianin
      Rimlianin 27 December 2019 09: 08
      +2
      Opponent, what kind of liberals are these, furious, repulsive, wicked with saliva on Russia? Surnames then, personalities name though. I only know one thing; he always calls himself a liberal. Vladimir Vladimirovich, our President. You an hour, not about him?
    2. balunn
      balunn 27 December 2019 11: 08
      +3
      The question is who the enemy is. The one who has villas over the hill and in the Kremlin offices, or those who live from pension to pension here?
  16. Slipper 2
    Slipper 2 27 December 2019 08: 12
    0
    Well, do not forget, all this liberal guennial warp is mainly of the Maskovskiy spill
  17. BAI
    BAI 27 December 2019 08: 41
    +3
    Liberals (Russian) exist on the money of the West. And in order to receive Western money, one must be a Russophobe and anti-Soviet. Otherwise they will not pay.
  18. Boris55
    Boris55 27 December 2019 09: 08
    0
    Quote: Ilya Polonsky
    By the way, the head of the Russian state himself has not yet made a single demonstrative gesture that would testify to his own demarcation with the liberals.

    You need to not only listen to Putin, but also hear (on December 10, a meeting of the Council for the Development of Civil Society and Human Rights took place):

    Vladimir Putin: ... Is it possible to come up with anew Russia? Alexander Nikolaevich, we all love you, and I, too, your work, it is wonderful. Is it possible to come up with a country?
    A.Sokurov: You can, you can. Russia is possible.
    Vladimir Putin: Do you think it is somehow different from others?
    A.Sokurov: For God's sake, sorry for perseverance. Russia can. We are on the road, we are on the road.
    Putin: You know, there is such a person in our not so long history - Mr. Ulyanov, he is the Old Man, he is Lenin, he still had some nicknames there. He came up with, now we can’t understand what to do with the Butovo training ground and how to build work there so that people don’t forget about who lies there in the ground.
    Vladimir Putin: Alexander Nikolaevich, we have known each other for a long time, and I deliberately, knowingly gave you the floor. I would like to hear your opinion on the issues on which you spoke. I had no doubt that you would talk about it.''

    Putin directly tells them that if you want a maidan, then do not forget that after him there will also be a new Butovo training ground.

    What demonstrative step did Putin have to take - take a machine gun and shoot it? This does not help, the word can be defeated only by the word.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 27 December 2019 11: 13
      +4
      Quote: Boris55
      ... he’s an old man, aka Lenin, he still had some nicknames there. He came up with, now we can’t understand what to do with the Butovo training ground

      What does Lenin have to do with the Butovo training ground? There were executions there after Lenin's death. If Putin blames Lenin for the collapse of the Republic of Ingushetia, then what was such an Empire. which fell apart because of the "Old Man"?

      Quote: Boris55
      Putin directly tells them that if you want a maidan, then do not forget that after him there will also be a new Butovo training ground.

      Wonderful! What are Russia's losses over the past 20 years? The figure has long exceeded all those killed at the "Butovo training grounds" and, most importantly, why then the authorities and Putin, including, continue the social policy destructive for the population? The wolf takes pity on the lambs. turns out.
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        1. New Year day
          New Year day 27 December 2019 12: 17
          +4
          Quote: Boris55
          And what are they? Give the number and source.

          Over the past 20 years, 23 cities, rural towns and villages have disappeared from the map of Russia.
          Over the past 10 years, the population in the Far East has decreased by 40% and by 60% in the Far North.
          Every year, Russia loses in population the whole region equal to the Pskov Republic or a republic the size of Karelia, or such a large city as Krasnodar.
          Every minute in Russia, 5 people die, only 3 are born. Mortality exceeds the birth rate by 1,7 times, in some regions by 2-3 times.
          26 children do not live up to 000 years every year, 10 babies die every day, 50% of them in maternity hospitals.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 27 December 2019 12: 31
            -1
            Quote: Silvestr
            Over the past 20 years from the map of Russia disappeared

            I see the numbers, but where is the source?
            1. Edik
              Edik 27 December 2019 13: 32
              -4
              Quote: Boris55
              I see the numbers, but where is the source?

              Boris! Well, how can you not trust the respected, holy Svarog, oh, confused them to Sylvester! He is from the bottom of his heart, he is a real patriot, he’s so sick for Russia, he, he!
              But seriously, most often the revolutions are inspired from abroad! And such not-so-distant subchiks are their guides, can you imagine how much blood and destroyed destiny they have? Therefore, provocateurs were always soaked without pity !!!
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 27 December 2019 15: 20
            -2
            In one in 20 years, 23000 cities disappeared from the map; in the second, 40000; in the third, 70000 - You guys will figure out how many things have disappeared in Russia in 20 years for sure.
      2. Octopus
        Octopus 27 December 2019 11: 44
        0
        Quote: Silvestr
        What are Russia's losses over the past 20 years? The figure has long exceeded all those killed at the "Butovo training grounds"

        Shot by?
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 27 December 2019 12: 18
          +3
          Quote: Octopus
          Shot by?

          the dead does not care from what he died, from a bullet or from an illness? To relatives too
          1. Octopus
            Octopus 27 December 2019 13: 17
            +1
            I understand you correctly, that refusing to give birth to a second (fifth) child in a family, a lot of vodka and a bullet in the back of your head is about the same thing for you?
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 27 December 2019 14: 55
              +5
              Quote: Octopus
              rejection of the birth of the second (fifth) child in the family, a lot of vodka and a bullet in the back of the head

              with what fright does the absence of a child’s desire amount to execution?
              Quote: Octopus
              ... a lot of vodka ...

              Ie you want to say that all the dead in the country are alcoholics? Famously
              1. Octopus
                Octopus 27 December 2019 15: 27
                -1
                Quote: Silvestr
                Every minute in Russia, 5 people die, only 3 are born. Mortality exceeds the birth rate by 1,7 times, in some regions by 2-3 times.

                The famous "Russian cross" is the intersection of the birth and death rates.

                So it was you who compared the decline in the population for a) a decline in the birth rate b) an increase in mortality, primarily from an unhealthy lifestyle, with the activities of Stalin.
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 27 December 2019 17: 05
      -5
      Translation of the dialogue between Putin and Sokurov from diplomatic to patsan:

      Vladimir Putin: Do you hate Russia?
      A. Sokurov: Yes. I hate Russia.
      Vladimir Putin: Do you think it is somehow different from the others?
      A.Sokurov: Yes, Russians live in it.
      Vladimir Putin: But Russians are the same people, how can they be killed?
      A.Sokurov: Russian? Russian is possible!
      Vladimir Putin: But you are the first to be buried in Butovo.
      A. Sokurov: What am I for?
      Vladimir Putin: I thought that you had nothing to do with it.
  19. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 27 December 2019 09: 09
    +3
    To begin with, those people who today call themselves liberals and are also estimated by the population, in fact, have a very indirect attitude to liberalism as a classical political ideology.
    You can not read further. This lie has served the liberals for centuries.
    Liberalism is the belief that the individual's interests are primary. That's all. Neither honor, nor conscience, nor Homeland, nor family, absolutely none of this can stand between a true, real, one hundred percent liberal and his desires. All liberals in our country are completely real and fully comply with the classical model.
    All their destructive actions, always directed against their country and other people, correspond exactly to the essence of liberalism. For the simple reason that they do not have their own country. They are liberals! And this means that they are true only and exclusively to their desires, understand. So any state is a hindrance to them. Limits them.
    And all the people around the liberal are a resource. To extract from them what the liberal needs in order to satisfy himself. First of all, a liberal needs as much money as possible, but honest work is impossible to get them! So the first concern of every liberal is how to deceive or directly rob as many others as possible.
    All criminals of all stripes are classical, strictly according to the textbook, liberals. Put their desires above the public interest. The next step is those people whom the article diligently justifies. Understand that liberals are a cancer of a social organism. All liberals. Everything. The most dangerous ones, who are in good clothes, in the right language, affectionately tell that your (yes, YOURS! You are worth it !!) interests are above the interests of society. He has in mind his interests. And she just wants to have you. Only...
  20. New Year day
    New Year day 27 December 2019 10: 11
    +7
    Yeah, no words. So how to distinguish liberals from patriots? So take the President, so he calls himself a liberal, and then a patriot. Since the author claims that liberals are all spies and enemies, the logical question is, who is our President? You can’t be a liberal on Sundays and a patriot on Mondays. laughing
    Some kind of zagogulin turns out laughing request
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 27 December 2019 11: 09
      -6
      This squiggle is obtained in the brains of those who consider Putin a liberal, and no one else.
      Just among liberals, communists and other fighters against the regime, this is an unshakable postulate.
      Foundation stone.
      Fortunately, this stone is false.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 27 December 2019 12: 20
        +7
        Quote: Mestny
        This squiggle is obtained in the brains of those who consider Putin a liberal

        so who has a squiggle?
    2. Forest
      Forest 27 December 2019 11: 19
      +1
      Recruiter.
    3. icant007
      icant007 27 December 2019 12: 25
      +5
      We need to get rid of the term "liberal" as applied to the enemies of the Russian state. It would be more correct to call all those who support the so-called Western-style liberalism "Westerners" or "globalists".
      And now there is such a confusion in the concepts that these liberals use.

      Although the word itself is not bad. And in my opinion there is no contradiction between the liberal and the patriot.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 27 December 2019 13: 30
        +6
        You said correctly, otherwise in Russia a liberal is not liberal, the communists are not communist. In fact, it is enough to recall the 19th century disputes between Westerners and the Slavophiles.
        After all, everything is simple or you love Russia as it is. Or seek to outwit everything in a Western manner. And if Russia went against the West, then it means Russia is bad, not the West.
        And now everything is being decided either for the Russian people, or for the pro-Western rich and officials.
  21. smaug78
    smaug78 27 December 2019 10: 13
    +3
    King is good again laughing
  22. 1536
    1536 27 December 2019 10: 20
    +2
    Fazil Iskander, an Abkhaz and Russian writer, has a wonderful tale "Rabbits and boas". Its meaning is that “... a rabbit processed by a boa constrictor turns into a boa constrictor. So, boas are rabbits at the highest stage of their development. In other words, we are their former, and they are our future. ”
    Some people who think like rabbits in their business and mentality and become a boa constrictor do not worry about the time to get out of this vicious cycle and finally get down to business.
  23. Alexander X
    Alexander X 27 December 2019 10: 42
    0
    Liberals = traitors to Russia. At least those in the picture above. The current President of Russia is writing badly by the participants of this forum. Is he bad about whom? After all, everything must be cognized by comparison. Compared to the previous 3 rulers of Russia, so, in my opinion, is not bad at all! Suggest a better candidate. Nobody can suggest. Grudinin and Zyuganov are not even considered, it is not serious. Some of the participants will immediately say, so all decent candidates were crushed by the system ... So not so much a candidate for the presidency is worthy, since the system crushed him ... There are still about 145 million Russians. And a decent candidate would be supported ... I am not defending and I'm not trying to whitewash our current one. I don’t want to jump back to the 90s when replacing “sewn with soap”. Vote for anyhow who in protest? The Ukrainians have already voted for Ze ... do you want the same? The popular expression "do not rock the boat in which you sail."
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 27 December 2019 13: 35
      +3
      A leap has already been made, only by the 90s of the 19th century, in terms of population, in medicine and education. New nobles can already buy villages immediately with servants.
      But it is not necessary to compare the ruler and others, but with that at least some benefit for the people and the country has brought or will remain in memory as a crane driver.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 December 2019 15: 24
      -6
      In the 2024th, we will be presented with a silovik, most likely from the GRU, from 40 to 50, so we will vote for him.
    3. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 27 December 2019 19: 52
      +4
      You are again talking about - if not he then who? Out of all 146 million there is no one better in the world ... yes .. I will go for the "Messiah sent by heaven" I will pray .. I thought everything had already realized, it’s better until HE “grunts” and it will not be worse, there will be no one. . Thank God at least not immortal ..
    4. Octopus
      Octopus 27 December 2019 20: 19
      0
      Quote: Alexander X
      all decent candidates were crushed by the system ... So the candidate for the presidency is not so much worth it, since the system crushed him ...

      This is a constant misfortune of such regimes as the Russian one.
      1. Politics are becoming a dangerous occupation in the country, actually illegal.
      2. Only people to whom the law is not written are engaged in politics: either boyars or radicals.
      3. The situation comes to the point where the American bombing looks the best possible option.

      Now Russia is clearly in the second stage. And if not Putin then who, yes.
  24. Dizel200
    Dizel200 27 December 2019 10: 49
    +3
    I wish the author wrote how to distinguish between a liberal and a liberal from a patriot, a communist or just a person. Maybe they should make a sign on their forehead, like the Nazis did the Star of David to Jews in the Second World War? I saw a sign - shoot in the eye so as not to spoil the skin wassat
  25. Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 27 December 2019 11: 06
    +4
    The author's logic is incomprehensible to me. It seems that he just merged everything that he personally did not like, wrote "liberalism" on it and began to hate fiercely.
    And liberals are just those who are for freedom, against any restrictions. Extreme liberalism is anarchy.
    A typical liberal, for example, is our notorious Mikhail Goldreer, who advocates the liberalization of weapons laws.
    The same liberals are those who advocate the abolition of the norms on exceeding the necessary defense.
    Hatred of Russia is called Russophobia. You can be Russophobe and not be a liberal, and vice versa.
    But how does the author react, for example, to ultra-right movements that support Ukrainian Nazis? Are they also liberals? wassat
    Those whom the author calls liberals are really just a handful of those who, when sharing power and money, got less than others. They, in essence, are no different from those who are in power and with money (that is, conservatives, those who are for stability), because the essence is exactly the same, just more victorious. This is capitalism, guys, the political system, when money, means of production and political power are in the hands of the same people - capitalists. And it doesn’t matter what surnames these capitalists have - Ivanov, Feldman or Abdulaev. Those who are in power will love their homeland in words, those who are not in power - to hate, again in words. In fact, both of them do not care about Russia and everything else, except for their own wallet.
    By the way. Those whom the author opposes to the nasty "liberals" - the good, naturally, "patriots" are supported by the same capitalists as all other political forces. So, by and large, our liberals and patriots are no different from each other - only the color of the wrapper and which of them will be in power is absolutely on the drum, changes will occur only at the very top, where a new family will simply take a place at the trough.
    The only thing to be afraid of is that absolutely radical chauvinistic forces will come to power, whether they are Orthodox, Communists or nationalists, then much more blood will be shed during the change of power, otherwise we’ll live like we lived, save good, give birth to children , pay taxes.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 27 December 2019 11: 55
      +1
      And liberals are just those who are for freedom, against any restrictions. Extreme liberalism is anarchy.
      It's funny Where does this vagueness come from? What does freedom have to do with it? Liberals are those who consider their desires and needs higher than the needs of society and any other people. Anarchy is completely unsuitable for liberals. How will they satisfy their needs, which are primary for them, if all around can also satisfy their needs to the best of their ability? Hehe ... If a liberal wants a woman, he should not be disturbed (according to the definition of liberalism) nor the desire of a woman, nor other people, nor the state! But how to fulfill this desire to the liberal, if in response to his claim a woman gets the trunk, and there, you see, there appears Goldreer, who has never stuttered about anarchy or about liberalism, but he always advocates for the rights of an individual? These two liberal belly will start with lead, and a separate act of liberalism will end before it begins.
      So your example with Goldreier once again betrays your PERSONAL position, dislike, for which no arguments are needed to "prove". "Well, I don't like you!" But a liberal will not survive next to Goldreier and his associates! For the simple reason that Goldreher is just trying to protect the personal freedom of EVERY PERSON. And such a situation fundamentally contradicts liberalism, because it does not allow one to be fooled in favor of others, does not give the possibility of free self-satisfaction in general. Such is the unexpected reprimand!
      Liberals are terribly fond of the law. Just because they have long worked out ways that allow them to bend the law, circumvent it, and we ourselves can write and execute it under our own wishes. Cunning, in general. And the essence of the idea itself - the liberal can do anything. And all other people are just a means by which the liberal is self-satisfied.
      Reread sources, namesake ...
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 27 December 2019 12: 26
        0
        Quote: Mikhail3
        Liberals are those who consider their desires and needs higher than the needs of society and any other people.

        These are egoists. fool
        You will learn at least the most basic terms before reasoning, and then, like Polonsky, you are trying to reduce yellow, warm and soft into one category.
        The basic concept of liberalism is individual freedom.
        The goal of liberals is to limit the influence of the state on the life of citizens, to expand as much as possible the framework within which an individual can realize himself. A minimum of prohibitions, a maximum of private initiative and the inviolability of the boundaries of each’s own world, within which anything can be done.
        The basic principles of liberalism:
        all participants in legal relations are initially absolutely equal
        anything that is not expressly prohibited is permitted
        individual rights may be limited only by the same rights of another person
        And you and Polonsky drew for yourself the image of such a "bourgeois" fat-bellied, hung a sign "liberal" on him, endowed in your wet fantasies with all the sins and vices, and hate fiercely.
        Well, good luck ... wassat smile
        ... And my advice to learn, you, apparently, did not heed ... No.
        1. Octopus
          Octopus 27 December 2019 14: 25
          +2
          Quote: Trilobite Master
          And my advice to learn

          Learn to study like that.

          Quote: Trilobite Master
          The goal of liberals is to limit the influence of the state on the life of citizens,

          Even greatly simplifying, everything is not so simple.

          Now it’s hard to believe, but in the XNUMXth century, both nationalism (as opposed to aristocratic internationalism and the idea of ​​empires) and patriotism (as opposed to loyalism) and liberalism grew out of the same humanistic roots. One of the components of liberalism, nationalism and patriotism at the same time was tyranny.

          The tree of freedom needs to be watered from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants, this is a natural fertilizer for him - said extremist Thomas Jefferson, which we certainly condemn, absolutely, absolutely not necessary to do so, being at that time and an undoubted patriot and liberal, and to a large extent a nationalist. Obviously, Jefferson's patriots and patriots who spread "Putin help" with their bodies are not the same people.

          The minimal role of the state in human life was then not entirely in the focus of discussion. I would venture to admit that the illiberal Louis XVIII participated in the life of each individual citizen far less than the liberal Napoleon.

          However, as time went on, nuances began to appear. In Russia, Paul I, frightened by the French trials, forbade the use of the word "Fatherland" in print, demanding to write "State". In Russia, political literacy was lousy before that, so Pavel's idea went smoothly. A Russian person, as a rule, is not able to immediately accept the idea that a patriot loves the Fatherland, and a loyalist loves the Emperor. They are not the same at all. Patriotism in Russia had already become a crime, and loyalism appropriated this name for itself.

          Liberalism also did not stand still. Based on the idea that the state should serve the interests of citizens, liberalism did not automatically imply a state - a night watchman. On the contrary, liberalism, under the influence of socialism, has become increasingly inclined to the ideas of a paternalistic state, including the ideas of establishing good by violence. Is it good or bad, but the current Western liberalism is a party of a great good state, with the addition of other great good structures, especially trade unions.

          And your preaching of a small state is now called, as a rule, libertarianism.
          1. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 27 December 2019 14: 51
            +2
            Thanks for the tour, many, I think it will be interesting and useful.
            Personally, I have always considered libertarianism one of the directions of liberalism, as it were, its extreme manifestation. And what I wrote about the basic principles of liberalism cannot be reduced to libertarianism, here you are mistaken.
            I am ready to agree that I strongly forgave some points, but do not forget that my opponent is regrettably ignorant in the field of humanitarian knowledge, so I have to primitize certain points in the discussion with him, otherwise my thoughts will simply not be understood.
            1. Octopus
              Octopus 27 December 2019 15: 09
              +1
              Quote: Trilobite Master
              otherwise, my thoughts simply will not be understood.

              So after all, the terms, as you write below about watercolors, use radically differently their modern meanings.

              In America, a man with a weapons depot at home, who is judging a conspiracy of the Washington behind the scenes against America and is finally driving an explosive truck to the FBI building - patriot. Patriots against an excessive state, including against foreign policy, for isolationism.The Russian patriot either loves Putin for getting up off his knees, or does not like Putin for not having enough Stalin. For some reason, the Russian patriot does not care about some Syria, as if he and the Syrian patriot concurrently.

              In America, a person who is fighting for the growth of social programs and, accordingly, taxes - liberal. Liberals for peace, but also not averse to bombing those who are against peace, is the duty of liberals to humanity. In Russia, liberals are understood as Kudrin, Siluanov, Nabiullina, who are very far from the idea of ​​social growth, and try not to get into the topic of bombing.
              1. Trilobite Master
                Trilobite Master 27 December 2019 16: 27
                +1
                In our country, "liberal" and "patriot" are more labels than political terms.
                It is impossible to compare, let alone contrast, liberals and patriots in the common sense of these terms, because the volumes of these concepts do not intersect at all. In other words, a liberal can be a patriot, and there is no oxymoron in this. In the civil war, patriots were both among the whites and among the reds, while the liberals and the Black Hundred monarchists and any rabble in general fought for the whites, even socialists.
                In our reality, those who are close to radical political platforms are called patriots, and those who are far from them are called liberals. This is a complete primitive, but this is a fact, and this clearly characterizes our society, as, firstly, split by deep contradictions, and secondly, as unprepared to make political decisions from the word “absolutely”.
                Here is my initial opponent will not hesitate to vote "against the liberals for Goldreher", who is exactly what a classical liberal, if we talk about the original meaning of this term. smile
                But the saddest thing is that even this opposition is completely artificial, deliberately created in order to hide from the public the fact that there is no alternative to the current political forces, and the president’s personality matters only when the feeder is divided.
      2. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 27 December 2019 14: 16
        0
        More to cheer up. smile
        You, the namesake, by your arguments strongly remind me of Grandfather Shchukar, just one to one. smile
        Grandfather Shchukar sighed:
        - ... Or, let's say, like this: you asked about my learned words, about a dictionary, and there it is printed like this: one word of a scientist is printed in vigorous letters, I can overcome them without glasses, and opposite it in small letters is clarification, that is - what does this word mean. Well, I understand many words without any clarifications. For example, what does "monopoly" mean? Clear business - a tavern. "Adapter" - means: a trifling person, in general a bastard, and nothing else. "Aquarelle" is a good girl, so I think, and "curb" is quite the opposite, it is nothing more than a walking woman, "mezzanine" twist - this is your very love, Agathon, on what mind you are a little moved , and so far away.

        How do you like this definition of the word "liberal"?
        A liberal is such a petty, vile, selfish cattle who only crap and Russophobia. In a society of true patriots, the word "liberal" refers to obscene language and is used as an indelible insult. Having become a liberal only once, a person can no longer return to the normal life of a healthy member of society, the stigma of liberalism is not washed away even by alcohol-containing liquids.
        Synonyms: "Kasparov", "Sobchak", "Novodvorskaya", "vile type", "bastard", "this reptile", other names and definitions are possible.
        Attention! Phrases like "Kasparov is a disgusting type", "This reptile Sobchak" and other combinations of these words are not considered tautology, their widespread use is regarded as a sign of loyalty to patriotic circles and is an expression of love for Russia.

        I propose to make this definition canonical and to use in the future the word "liberal" only in this sense, especially since this is exactly what the majority of "patriots" on the site do.
        Then the article will be absolutely correct.
        1. depressant
          depressant 28 December 2019 00: 53
          0
          Octopus and Trilobite Master!
          It’s too late already, the previous night there was no sleep at all, I’m falling off my feet, but I still want to explain something to both of you ...
          Dear colleagues, you are unfair to the Author! He named people as they call themselves, without making a distinction between the libertarianism of Kudrin, Gref and others from the same cohort and the ideological representatives of the liberal current of other shades.
          In our country, liberals are the self-name of a large group of thieves and criminals of all possible varieties, including traitors to the interests of the people who took this wrapper for themselves in order to hide their true essence under it.
          Self-designation, understand? And you seduced, and the Author is to blame for you. He used a tag, which these gentlemen pinned to themselves. His task was not to lay them out on product shelves, depending on their true ideological considerations. That's all.
          Good night! love
  26. WayKheThuo
    WayKheThuo 27 December 2019 11: 10
    -2
    An article is a typical example of manipulation: not a single fact, a play on emotions, clichéd phrases, not a single concrete example.
    And the main and main thing is nothing new. Why this opus? What's new for the reader? Any new ideas, thoughts, feelings? So why is this all? To whom does the author want to prove something? Readers in? So they are already more than adults, usually held people, with their views that are safely pulled over their eyes, a cleaner blinker - you can’t move it - and this is normal, by the way. Or is the goal simple - toss it into the fan so that everyone splashes? Or maybe the end of the year and it is necessary to fulfill the plan for the pages?
    But the worst thing about this article is that it breeds hatred, but:
    “Hatred is meaningless. Of those whom you hate, half have not heard of you, and the other half to sneeze on you. ” (American saying).
    Happy holidays, you people! Be already, no not kinder, but just be!
  27. Forest
    Forest 27 December 2019 11: 18
    -2
    Libs are always shy of their nationality.
    Therefore, the flags do not like)
  28. New Year day
    New Year day 27 December 2019 11: 27
    +4
    The author’s cognitive dissonance is confused in persona.
    ... "liberals" demanded to shoot these people, crush them with tanks. And then-President Boris Yeltsin did just that ....

    After all, Putin himself has repeatedly said ...

    author stigmatizes liberals for being ...
    they hate patriots, and representatives of all those political movements whose views do not fit into the liberal paradigm, and even ordinary townsfolk - “for voting for Putin,” “for not voting” ...

    and right there ...
    .... around Vladimir Putin liberals no less, if not more, than in the square.

    What is one social policy pursued by the Russian authorities! Is this not liberalism?

    Where did the liberals come from in the government? Who keeps them afloat, and the same ones for 20 years, despite their "work"?

    and extreme ..
    ... the head of the Russian state has not yet made a single demonstrative gesture that would testify to his own demarcation with the liberals.

    Bomb! The president is the country's main liberal.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 December 2019 15: 37
      -7
      You say thank you that at least there is one — otherwise some kind of Khodorkovsky, Berezovsky and other oligarchs of the 2000s would have come to power — and you would now go to the world with outstretched hands in a place of measured life, pensions, benefits and sitting in high schools. - like Moldavian or Ukrainian guest workers and sucked a paw. He will see who will become the next president - but you can already say for sure that he will not live up to your expectations; he will return all taxes, his own pension.
  29. Ros 56
    Ros 56 27 December 2019 11: 28
    +2
    No words, some emotions and those swearing and a lot. No matter how banned.
  30. Connor MacLeod
    Connor MacLeod 27 December 2019 14: 43
    0
    Globalism and liberalism what other national idea can be? If not then what then? The left idea has long been dead! Nationalism? Sit bristling in the North of Eurasia and terrorize neighbors? I beg you, this is not our scale!

    It is clear that the modern Global Liberal idea is already largely discredited, and supranational authorities are completely corrupt. But initially the idea itself was not bad, it just got distorted over time. Due to its moral decay and intellectual impotence, at the moment the West is not able to ensure the normal development of the Liberal project, there is a certain crisis.

    Therefore, I propose to seize the Banner from the weakening hands of the West and stand on our own at the Vanguard of the Liberal Project. The ultimate goal is the creation of a global system of collective security, as well as the strengthening of international legal institutions guaranteeing the protection of the rights and freedoms of every inhabitant of our Planet. Tell me, what could be more beautiful than that? This is the Idea!


    1. NordUral
      NordUral 27 December 2019 15: 38
      +2
      Yuri, the idea is great, but the performance let us down, especially after the death of the Union.
      1. Connor MacLeod
        Connor MacLeod 27 December 2019 15: 42
        0
        Yes, there is not enough Russian Energy project ...
  31. Mind Sphere
    Mind Sphere 27 December 2019 15: 25
    +2
    The trouble with the bulk of people (and this is 99,9% of cases) is that they ALREADY do not remember the past, but STILL do not know the future. Accordingly, all these 99,9% live in the PRESENT. So, the true problem of these very people is their INABILITY to calculate what will happen to them, say, in years, some way, in 20-30. But, most importantly, what will happen to the country after two or three generations. Accordingly, all these people live only one day according to the principle - after us at least a flood. But, even if they are sick for their country or their people, they still can’t calculate the situation at least half a step ahead. So, regardless of whether people understand what is really happening in the world now or not, they should not (even if they are all godless) forget the basic Bible commandment, saying: DON'T JUDGE, YET JUDGMENT WILL BE.

    Let's just say, regardless of whether a person is a believer or not, he must still understand that nothing happens in the Universe just like that, and that everything has its own rationale and meaning. The hatred, which many are pouring out here, will eventually come out sideways by themselves. Or do you think, you naive people, that God is able to create bad and good creations? So, in your opinion, you are all good here, and the "liberals" are bad? In short, all crooks, thieves and robbers. So what happens? Or maybe the point here is not at all in this, but in the fact that God, through these very people, tests you for lice? And you do not pass this test, because you have no idea that all people are simultaneously teachers and students for each other. You need to read the scriptures more often, then enlightenment will come. Want an example? You are welcome. Read, and may your brains be enlightened.

    “Behold, we will make some of you a temptation for you — will you bear it?” Koran. Sura 25, Distinction, Art. 22.

    "He who is blind in this life will remain blind after death." Koran. Sura 12, Art. 87.

    “Nothing comprehends from events on earth or in your souls, without it being in the Scriptures before We create it. Indeed, it is easy for Allah. ” "Koran". Sura 57, verse 22.

    “And when they say to them:“ Follow what Allah sent down! ”, They say:“ No, we will follow what our fathers found on. ” And if their fathers didn’t understand anything and wouldn’t follow the direct path? ” Koran. Sura 2, Art. 165.

    “Not a single hair will fall from a person’s head without the permission of the Almighty.” Matt. 3:18.

    "Nothing is destroyed in the world, nothing is done by the extraction of emptiness, not even the words and voices of man, everything has its place and its purpose." Book of the Zohar.

    "He embraces everything that they have, and calculated every thing with a score." Quran, Sura 72, Art. 28.

    “Allah knows what every female carries; how much they contract and how much their wombs grow. After all, every thing He has to measure. ” Koran, Sura 13, Art. 9.

    "And they cunning (people), and Allah cunning." Koran. Sura 3, Article 9.
  32. Radikal
    Radikal 27 December 2019 15: 30
    +4
    Quote: Stas157
    The most abomination of those who call themselves liberals is that they sincerely hate their native state.

    They hate the liberals, but idolize the chief of them.
    They hate Yeltsin, but adore his successor and follower.
    I do not like the government, but I really like the one who forms this government.
    Against the oligarchs, but FOR the guardian of these oligarchs.
    Against the chaos of the 90s, but for the regime that arose as a result of this.

    ... And they are all - big fans of car trash, an abundance of sausages, and most importantly toilet paper. These are their main shortcomings, as this is their main claim to the USSR. The fact that in the USSR were the best (and free) basic human values ​​- education, medicine, pensions, apartments ... this is not taken into account.

    Who are these strange people? But there are a good half of them on the site.

    yes good Respect Stas! drinks hi
  33. NordUral
    NordUral 27 December 2019 15: 36
    +1
    Many words, as well as this:
    By the way, the head of the Russian state himself has not yet made a single demonstrative gesture that would testify to his own demarcation with the liberals.

    How can a liberal disassociate himself with liberals? Just ceasing to be, but this is not visible with the most powerful optics.
  34. Tomich3
    Tomich3 27 December 2019 15: 43
    +3
    "But then, in the nineties, the liberals were not very interested in chronic non-payment of wages at dying enterprises, poor old people who did not receive an insignificant pension for a year, street children, the growth of drug addiction and prostitution"
    So we are observing it now, except that pensioners receive their beggarly pensions regularly.
    "and there are leading Russian media outlets that broadcast this position, passing it off as" public opinion. "
    Who is this for example? Soloviev? Maybe Kiselev?)))
    "Behind them are foreign and domestic oligarchic structures."
    So Putin clearly said that we have no oligarchs)) Literally - "We no longer have oligarchs. Oligarchs are those who use their proximity to power in order to receive super profits. We have large private companies, we have But I no longer know of such large companies that use some kind of preferences from proximity to power, we practically do not have such companies, "the Russian leader said.
    "The National Bolsheviks, anarchists, and communists who have served there are leaving Russian prisons beggars, hungry and sick."
    And who exactly is this? Datsik or what?)
    "Today the liberals inflate any minor conflict like the development of a park as a problem of a universal scale."
    Are you talking about Yekaterinburg? Famously you all people in the "liberals" recorded.
  35. sds87
    sds87 27 December 2019 15: 43
    +2
    Quote: Laurel
    And in medicine, the worldview you described is called "schizophrenia".

    Now expand this to country level. After all, VO is a small reserve, and there are enough resources like it.
    Quote: Stas157
    Who are these strange people? But there are a good half of them on the site.
    This is a people in whose head is a complete mess and confusion.
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    1. Karabin
      Karabin 27 December 2019 20: 44
      +3
      Quote: Udav Kaa
      Well, yes, he would have tried to hint about it .. and so hollow on all fronts "bloody regime, etc."

      Well, yes, it’s better to raise the retirement age and optimize medicine. After all, they will be sympathetic.
      Quote: Udav Kaa
      I’m even afraid to write the word Putin, they’re kicking the crowd right away

      It is still virtual. Will "Stirlets" continue in the same spirit, and you can really ogrest. Patients are also boring to be.
  37. Stakan-m
    Stakan-m 27 December 2019 20: 01
    0
    Who are the liberals?

    These are bedbugs on the body of Russia! Itching, twitching, crushing, swearing .. And there are more of them! wassat
    How to fight, poison and completely everything .. Just like that, but as soon as the mood to zero and everything is gone. So they immediately appear with lice .. I’m figuratively, but I think very much to the point men!

    is it funny? But they gathered there with double budgets of Russia on the accounts
  38. xomaNN
    xomaNN 27 December 2019 20: 13
    +2
    If "liberalism" is a disease, then where are the doctors? From therapists to surgeons and even pathologists. In uniform and with red IDs am

    ... like this, the fight against anti-state evil is often released on the brakes ...
  39. sss
    sss 27 December 2019 20: 16
    +1
    Liberals, democrats, partocrats ....... Who is who? True, a lie, a half-truth, a real fact, but a "slippery" interpretation ..... what is all this?
    "States perish when they cease to distinguish between good and bad." We were all led to this. Everywhere there is duality, trinity, conspiracy in general. The people like foreign policy, but rejection from the domestic one. They want a strong army, but they don't want "militarization." An ardent patriot (patriot), and a close relative (relative) works for CNN. And so in everything. Rock musicians, artists, politicians, scientists, military ... everything. (I don’t want to point the finger, so everyone knows everyone) they are nostalgic about the USSR, but they have diligently forgotten what they themselves were shouting at in those days. The decline of Europe has already occurred, the decline of Russia, and with it the world, is close. The death of the gods is a fact. chaos remains. I don't even want to argue on the topic: who is behind this ...
    And in the background - elementary money-grubbing, envy, and also stupidity - they hope to sit out during the next "booch", but it will not work! All the same, this wave WILL GET OUT. (if not directly, then it will affect the descendants). It is unlikely that they were given a place in the gold billion.
  40. Karabin
    Karabin 27 December 2019 20: 57
    +4
    By the way, the head of the Russian state himself has not yet made a single demonstrative gesture that would testify to his own demarcation with the liberals.

    But the signs of passionate love are more than
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 December 2019 21: 53
      0
      These were special flowers - she sniffed them and drove off.
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 27 December 2019 22: 00
        +4
        Quote: Vadim237
        she sniffed them and drove off.

        Vadim, I am of course aware of the many first-person talents (judo, diving, hang gliding, night hockey, pike fishing). But if he is also a killer ?! lol
        1. Lynx33
          Lynx33 28 December 2019 07: 30
          +1
          He is not a killer, he is a farmer. He raises oligarchs, loves and cherishes, creates greenhouse conditions, does not burden taxes and feeds him from the belly with natural resources and farm laborers' money.
  41. Lynx33
    Lynx33 28 December 2019 07: 26
    +1
    Good article. Bravo. How exactly did you describe our current government. I even bookmarked it, read it at my leisure.
  42. Pied Piper
    Pied Piper 28 December 2019 08: 53
    -2
    Who are the liberals?

    Lice of Russia! soldier
  43. Roman070280
    Roman070280 28 December 2019 11: 31
    -1



    We are waiting for recognition - "I hate Russia" ..
  44. Ilya Zaitsev
    Ilya Zaitsev 28 December 2019 20: 33
    0
    Who, after all, are such liberals, what kind of monsters are these? Is there an exact laconic formulation of this concept?
    1. Photon
      Photon 30 December 2019 00: 02
      0
      Russian "liberalism" is very similar to the cargo cult.
  45. Photon
    Photon 30 December 2019 00: 07
    0
    If you don’t lie, of course, then why is it not possible to enter the journalism department of Moscow State University or MGIMO without being a Russophobe? Why is Moscow's Echo funded by the state? What do the FSB think about this?
  46. Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 1 January 2020 23: 50
    0
    A wonderful article about today's Russian liberals - pro-Western pro-American half-traitors and enemies of the Russian government and most Russians who hate Russia, Russians, but brazenly speaking on behalf of her and her people. Gorgeous and comments on the article.
  47. RUSS
    RUSS 2 January 2020 09: 56
    -1
    Liberals are today made like "trotstkists"
  48. grumbler
    grumbler 3 January 2020 18: 04
    0
    I myself adhere to moderately liberal views. For me, liberalism is a form of patriotism.
    And that is why I do not agree that those whom the Author so famously castigates really express the ideas of Russian Liberalism (regarding the goals and objectives of Russian Liberalism, see my comments in the topic "Provocations at protests in Russia", https://topwar.ru/ 160775-provokacii-na-akcijah-protesta-v-rossii.html)

    But, if by "Russian liberals" we mean precisely these cartoon characters, then the Author is right in many respects.
    For example, I am convinced that not one of the pseudo-liberals will even respond to the outrageous assassination of the Iranian IRGC General Kassem Suleimani. Because the overwhelming majority of pseudo-liberals have completely atrophied critical thinking about what comes from Washington.
    It is being replaced by a purely doctrinaire, absolutist, religious "Bolshevik" in spirit admiration (in this they will give odds to any of the most reactionary "Zionist-republican" clubs in Washington).
    And this, in my opinion, is one of the most difficult problems of Russia and Russian liberalism.
    We generally live in a country of "imitations": "imitation democracy" by the Putin-Surkovs-Matvienoks -... and "imitation liberalism" by the Khodorkovsky-Yavlinsky -...
    And among the pseudo-liberals, self-styled aspiring to the title of "Mind, Honor and Conscience" of Russia, critical thinking and skepticism (which are components of the "symbol of faith" of a liberal!) Are simply turned off. These people remind me much more of crowds of illiterate soldiers-deserters, enchanted by the speeches of Lenin and Trotsky, than of enlightened Western liberal humanists (Bertrand Russell, Graham Greene, Theodore Roosevelt, etc.), whom, as they themselves think, they look like "faces not a general expression. "
    And while our "liberalism" is like that, it has no chance of becoming a real force.
  49. Alik lebedev
    Alik lebedev 28 March 2020 04: 59
    0
    Criticism is good, of course, but at least one of you went to a rally against the liberals? Tota. And please do this as an extreme president.