The “Crusade” of the West against Russia

The “Crusade” of the West against Russia

Machine gunners of the cavalry division of the SS are on the street of a set fire to a village in the occupied territory of the USSR. 1943


Germany provided weapons, equipment, ammunition and products all of Europe. Europe fought against us not only on the labor front. The Nazis created a real anti-Soviet international in the Wehrmacht and the SS troops.

"World Community" against the Soviet Union


World War II claimed the lives of 50 million people, more than half of this number were Soviet citizens who died. Our fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers suffered hardships incommensurable with the problems of other warring countries. At the same time, in the “world community” they already turned like that history The Second World War, which the vast majority, for example, the inhabitants of America, is confident that the United States played the main role in the war. And some believe that the Americans fought with the USSR.

In fact, such a huge loss of the USSR-Russia was caused by the fact that we fought alone most of the war, and the USA and England were waiting for someone to take. They could drag out their active participation in the war as much as possible, pretending to be at war on secondary and tertiary directions and fronts. In every possible way they propagated their participation in the war. It is also worth remembering that the Nazis conducted in the occupied Soviet regions (unlike us when we began to liberate Europe), the policy of "scorched earth", destroyed the "Russian subhuman." Not only prisoners of war, communists, commissars, but also the civilian population. Millions of people who lived in the most difficult conditions were driven into slave labor. The goal was the total destruction of most of the Russian population, the resettlement of part of the people beyond the Urals (which would lead to the death of most of the migrants, in the absence of means to establish life, supplies, food and clothing supplies, etc.), and the remnants were planned to be turned into slaves for the German colonists.

In post-Soviet Russia, the myth was created that Moscow “filled up the corpses” of the Germans, and therefore won. The USSR during the hostilities on the Eastern Front lost up to 11,5 million people (including prisoners). And the Third Reich allegedly only about 3 million soldiers and officers. Before the war, the population of the USSR was at least 193 million people, and the population of Germany and Austria attached to it was about 80 million. Therefore, it was automatically concluded how “cannibalistic” the Soviet regime was, the Stalin regime and how badly the Red Army fought .

In reality, the loss of Germany with satellites (including prisoners of war) is 8,6 million people. Not counting the losses of the police, collaborators, the militia of the Third Reich and other auxiliary units. The fact is that at that time the USSR fought not only with Germany (together with Austria), but also with almost the whole of Europe. The population of Europe, in addition to formally allied to us England and courageous Serbia, which continued to resist even after the occupation, was about 400 million people.

During the Great Patriotic War, 34476,7 thousand people were called up for the Armed Forces, that is 17,8% of the country's population. And the Third Reich mobilized up to 21% of its population. That is, it seems that the German Empire was more tense in the war than the Union. But in the Soviet troops there was a large percentage of women who served both voluntarily and on conscription. Signalers, nurses, military doctors, snipers, anti-aircraft gunners, airmen, etc. There were a lot of female units and units. In the most difficult time, the State Defense Committee (GKO) even decided to create female rifle units in which men would only be loading heavy artillery pieces (though this decision was only left on paper). And in Germany, even during the period of retreat and defeat, women did not serve in the army. Moreover, they were few even in production.

What's the matter? There were few men in the USSR? The fact is that not only soldiers are needed to wage a war, but also weapons, equipment, ammunition, various military materials, supplies, fuel, and a host of other things. That is, in production, especially heavy, men are needed. Their teenagers and women cannot be completely replaced. Therefore, the Soviet authorities were forced to send women to the front. But Hitler did not have such a problem. Near Berlin was the then "European Union". Germany was provided with weapons, equipment, ammunition and products throughout Europe. France gave Germany a whole tank army, the French produced for the Germans a large number of equipment, including vehicles. Czechoslovakia also handed over to the Germans intact all arsenals, armored forces, but also built a fleet of armored personnel carriers, throughout the war regularly supplied tanks, aircraft, guns, small arms and ammunition. The Poles built planes, supplied food, produced synthetic gasoline and rubber. Switzerland provided loans, goods and military goods transit services, trade in goods stolen all over Europe, and storage of Nazi assets. Sweden supplied iron ore, components for machinery, Norway - seafood, etc. As a result, everyone worked for the Reich.


French volunteers of the Legion of French Volunteers (LFV) before departure at the Gare de l'Est Paris train station in September 1941. The Legion arrived in November 1941 as "Infantry Regiment No. 638" in the Wehrmacht in the Moscow direction


French volunteers with the banner of the legion. USSR, November 1941


Sturmbannfuhrer SS L. Degrel during the parade of the SS Walloon assault brigade. April 1944


The commander of the 28th volunteer tank and grenadier division of the SS Wallonia Leon Degrell distributes cigarettes to his soldiers. Pomerania, end of February 1945

The Crusade of Europe


And Europe fought against us not only on the labor front. The Nazis created a real anti-Soviet international in the Wehrmacht and the SS troops. Up to 2 million European volunteers fought for Hitler against the USSR. Only the elite troops of Nazi Germany, the SS troops, accepted 400 thousand volunteers from other countries. The Germans formed 59 divisions, 23 brigades and several national regiments and legions from volunteers. These are such divisions as "Valonia", "Galicia", "Bohemia and Moravia", "Viking", "Denemark", "Gembez", "Langemark", "Nordland", "Netherlands", "Charlemagne" and others. Europeans served as volunteers not only in national but also in German divisions.

Both the USSR and the Russian Federation teach that the French were our allies in World War II. Partisans and underground fighters, de Gaulle fighters and the legendary Normandie-Niemen air regiment. Of course, do not belittle the brave men of Normandy-Niemen and Fighting France. However, much more French fought on the side of Hitler. Among them were many volunteers. Some were called up to the Wehrmacht, others served in the Legion of French volunteers (formed in the summer of 1941). The Legion arrived in November 1941 on the Russian Front as Infantry Regiment No. 638 and fought at Borodino, then was used against the partisans. In 1944, the Legion became part of the 33rd SS division Charlemagne. The exact number of French soldiers who fought in the Wehrmacht is not known. More than 23 thousand French citizens appeared in Soviet captivity. Some of the French who fought for Hitler were captured by the Anglo-Americans, while others simply returned home.

10 days after the outbreak of war with the USSR, the head (leader) of the Independent State of Croatia Ante Pavelic urged the Croats to join the troops, which were to fight against the Soviet Union. The Legion consisted of three infantry battalions. One of the battalions consisted entirely of Muslims from Bosnia-Herzegovina. Later, the legion, which the Germans called the “369th Croatian reinforced infantry regiment,” was reinforced by an artillery division. The Croats fought in Ukraine, near Stalingrad.

A significant number of Poles fought on the side of Hitler. On the Polish lands that became part of the Third Reich, they were called up to the Wehrmacht. Only from the territory of the Polish part of Upper Silesia more than 100 thousand people were mobilized into the German army. In some Wehrmacht infantry divisions, Poles comprised between 12% and 30% and even 45% of the personnel. As a result, by the end of the war, over 60 thousand Poles who fought on the side of Hitler were in Soviet captivity. And this is not complete data. So, about 600 thousand prisoners from the army of the Reich and its satellites, after an appropriate check, were released directly on the fronts. Mostly they were persons of non-German nationality: Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Bulgarians, Romanians, Moldavians, etc.

The Germans also actively formed collaborationist units. There was also the Vlasov Russian Liberation Army (ROA), there were two battalions Nachtigal and Roland, consisting of Ukrainian nationalists and created by the Abwehr for sabotage operations, and police units. Baltic volunteers who served in the German ground forces, and in the Luftwaffe, and in the SS, and are notorious for their punitive operations. Entire divisions were formed in the Baltic states: 15th SS Waffen-Grenadier Division (1st Latvian), 19th SS Waffen-Grenadier Division (2nd Latvian), 20th SS Waffen-Grenadier Division (1st Estonian) . By 1944, 22 police battalions of the schutzmannshaft (noise, “security teams”) were formed in Lithuania. In total, in 1941-1944. 20 thousand people served in various Lithuanian police units. In February 1944, the Lithuanians formed the Local Lithuanian squad (12 thousand people), which received the status of an ally of the Wehrmacht. On March 1, 1944, general mobilization in the Wehrmacht was declared in Lithuania. Construction units were formed from Lithuanians (3 thousand people). Another 13 police battalions were formed. At the beginning of 1945, on the Wehrmacht side, about 37 thousand people participated in various Lithuanian battalions and services in battles against the Red Army. Lithuanian punishers took part in the destruction of 229 thousand Soviet prisoners of war, 220 thousand Jews, as well as many thousands of civilians, partisans and soldiers in other regions of the USSR, Poland and Yugoslavia on the territory of Lithuania.

Among the volunteers who became full-fledged soldiers of the Wehrmacht were representatives of Asian and Caucasian peoples of the USSR. During the first half of 1942, first 4, and then 6 Asian-Caucasian legions were fully integrated into the Wehrmacht. They received the same status as the European legions. Turkestan, Muslim-Caucasian (then Azerbaijan), Georgian, Armenian, North Caucasian (including representatives of 30 different peoples of the North Caucasus), Volga-Tatar (Idel-Ural) legions. At the end of 1943, the command of the eastern legions in Poland was disbanded. This command formed 14 Turkestan, 8 Azerbaijani, 8 Georgian, 9 Armenian, 7 North Caucasus and 7 Volga-Tatar battalions. A total of 53 battalions were formed with a total number of over 50 thousand people, who were sent first to the Eastern Front, and then to Western Europe.

There were also official allies of Hitler, whose armies shoulder to shoulder with the Germans robbed and burned the Soviet Union. Italians, Romanians, Hungarians, Finns, Croats, Slovaks. Bulgarians burned rebellious Serbia. And officially neutral Spain sent the “Blue Division”. All this European bastard climbed into our lands in the hope of an easy walk and great prey.


Lithuanian police escorted Jews to the IX fort of the Coven Fortress. The fort was used as a prison and the site of mass executions of the Jewish population. June 1941



Announcement “Recruiting point for volunteers of the Estonian Legion”, 1942



Reichsfuhrer SS Himmler inspects a soldier of the 3rd Estonian SS Volunteer Brigade. 1943


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  1. Ross xnumx 26 December 2019 05: 04 New
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    Samsonov Alexander, thank you for reminding me.
    This campaign continues at the present time. Again this one:
    All this European bastard climbed into our lands in the hope of an easy walk and great prey.

    Apparently, we are so prescribed - to give these bastards in the face every time and hope that this will not happen again ...
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      1. Same lech 26 December 2019 05: 19 New
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        The Baltic states are now heroizing their Nazi criminals ... Europe, as always, silently agrees with this ... I think this is the first sign of preparations for the new Drang Nah Osten to the east.
        The first blow, of course, will be dealt to Kaliningrad ... from the inside, I suppose ... with the help of slime and renegade from the fifth column ... then everything will happen according to the pattern of color revolutions.
        1. Uncle lee 26 December 2019 06: 12 New
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          All post-war years have tried to hush up the crimes of European Nazis. But in vain! It was necessary in their faces to whip them for their "exploits" and make them repent until their death ... And so, they are now white and fluffy, and we are "invaders" and aggressors! Lived, "Stalinism" is equated with Nazism and fascism!
          I would forbid the word "Stalinism", like the Nazi ideology and the revision of the results of the Second World War!
          1. Cycle boss 26 December 2019 06: 53 New
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            Soon they will all be “white and fluffy” .. Mr. Medinsky and Co. .. try hard for this, removing the film-slag about WWII .. the villains are only Stalin and the NKVDshniki ..
            1. Alexander Suvorov 26 December 2019 08: 50 New
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              Veloboss (Nikolay)
              Soon they will all be “white and fluffy” .. Mr. Medinsky and Co. .. try hard for this, removing the film-slag about WWII .. the villains are only Stalin and the NKVDshniki ..
              Here, and then we wonder where we get Kolysurengoy. Good modern films about the Second World War can be counted on the fingers of one hand. “Brest Fortress”, “28 Panfilovites”, “In August of the 44th”, “Star”, and perhaps everything ... But no, I repent I forgot “The Scream of Silence” about the blockade of Leningrad (who I did not recommend very much).
              Well, with a stretch for the youth, you can still recommend the "Frontier", "Fog" and maybe even the "T-34", that's probably ALL.
              But Medinsky always has money for cinema slag like “Bastards”, “Shtrafbat”, “Stalingrad”, “Citadel”, “Indestructible”, “Rzhev” and other movie-like stuff (I’ll transfer money). They gathered for the “28 Panfilovites” all over the country, and for “They Fought for Katya”, Mr. Bondarchuk, you’ve got a million of billions.
              And why are we then surprised? What is our president outraged when he talks about anti-Simit pigs and about rewriting history? Aw, Mr. President can look inside yourself what your own government is doing ?! Maybe look who put the monuments in Rossosh and Veshenskaya? Who is the Minister of Culture hanging on plaques? And your apologies to the Poles "for Katyn", aren't these links of one chain? Why did you apologize on behalf of Russia, who gave you the right to do so?
              Somehow like this... request
              1. Cycle boss 27 December 2019 14: 27 New
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                T-34 I would Exclude ...
        2. WILL 26 December 2019 06: 15 New
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          Samsonov Alexander, and what happened to the 35 million Chinese who died in World War II ???
          The article is necessary! It is necessary to remind more often on whose shoulders the burdens of that War fell!
          1. Olgovich 26 December 2019 06: 57 New
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            Quote: ANIMAL
            Samsonov Alexander, and where did the 35 million dead during World War Two Chinese??

            The Chinese fought with Japan with 1931 . If you count WWII since 1931, then yes.
            1. Octopus 26 December 2019 08: 26 New
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              Quote: Olgovich
              If you count WWII since 1931, then yes.

              There is an opinion that the Sino-Japanese conflict since the 37th year belongs to WWII. The mainstream date of September 01.09.39, XNUMX is criticized for Eurocentrism. In any case, China is among the winners of WWII, who do not remember, they gave him the place of permanent member of the UN Security Council on this basis.
            2. Far B 26 December 2019 08: 34 New
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              Why not count? Some generally believe that WWII and WWII are two parts of the same war. As one French excellency in 1918 said, “This is not peace, it is a truce of 20 years.” And landed in the very hole. In principle, the older I get, the more inclined I am to agree with this Frenchman. How is it, I mean, there? Oh, yes - Marshal Ferdinand Foch.
            3. saigon 27 December 2019 12: 16 New
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              The Chinese, except with Japan, fought very nicely and among themselves!
              Porridge was noble there.
        3. slasha 26 December 2019 12: 11 New
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          Stalin shortened the fifth column. But the current ones - she is nurtured, cherished and cherished.
          1. phair 3 January 2020 04: 12 New
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            bred? Ett how many apartments do young commanders in Moscow need to give then?
        4. LiSiCyn 26 December 2019 13: 15 New
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          Quote: The same Lech
          The first blow of course will be inflicted on Kaliningrad ... from the inside, I suppose ... with the help of slime and renegades from the fifth column ..

          I bet with you. Yes, perhaps we are residents of the region, more integrated (tied) to Europe ... But I do not know of a single case of desecration of monuments or the memory of the spacecraft wars. Unlike some other regions. Yes, we have many residents who have relatives in the EU and not only ... But this does not mean that at hour X, we will all raise white rags here. And liberal ideas do not take root with us. All recent rallies of the "opposition" (all-Russian) gathered a miserly people. Patriotic education in the field, at the level. All the latest articles in foreign press about the fate of the Kaliningrad region in the event of the onset of a database cause a sharply negative reaction of the population. No one wants to join Poland.
          In short, if Moscow itself does not create a situation, no one will rock the “boat”.
      2. Catfish 31 December 2019 18: 15 New
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        ... and it seems to me that a new action of the Baltic states on solving the Russian question will be solved in a similar way.

        Colleague, do not bring absurdity to insanity, in the Baltic states there is no Russian question. In the future, there is one question: to be the Baltic independent states, or NOT to be. The bargaining chip, of which these micro puppets are, will never be able to make any serious decisions. Moreover, the question of who and how will solve national issues (sorry for the tautology) is there if in Latvia alone more than half of the policemen are Russians, and the money is also in Russian hands. So the "similar image" does not work here. hi
    2. Bar2 26 December 2019 06: 15 New
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      when it becomes necessary to conduct large-scale military operations, these actions need to be coordinated, and this is possible only in one case, when all the motley peoples who turned out for the most part do not naturally speak the same language. In the case of 2mv, on the one hand, it was German / Yiddish with another -Russian.
      An example of a war shows how the world should have looked if one of the parties won.
      The fact that Hitler would inevitably force all conquered peoples to speak German is an obvious assumption. But in the case of Stalin and the USSR, this factor did not work and instead of gathering all the peoples into one really powerful family speaking and thinking the same language and forever protecting himself and his descendants from future wars, Stalin is trying to create something that, as history has shown, cannot be combined, in principle, this is a mythical union of peoples.
      It was an idea of ​​fixation, something that was imposed on our Russian people and our political leadership, to create a state, one state from heterogeneous incompatible entities, as well as a Warsaw Pact from countries that do not understand each other.
      The ideas of Marx, Lenin, Stalin turned out to be unsustainable, so all these unions internal and external collapsed.
      Only if all peoples speak the same language and completely abandon far-fetched “national” languages, only in this case is it possible to create a permanent state. Therefore, gathering peoples into one process is natural, creating new peoples is not natural.
      1. Same lech 26 December 2019 06: 28 New
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        Only if all peoples speak the same language and completely abandon far-fetched "national" languages, only in this case is it possible to create a permanent state.

        Yes, I do not want to smile Do you want to create a new tower of Babel ... how many such towers have already been destroyed by God and you there too.
        1. Bar2 26 December 2019 06: 32 New
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          Quote: The same Lech
          Do you really want to create the New Tower of Babel ... how many such towers have already been destroyed by God and you are there too.
          Reply

          biblical stories are one way of separating humanity.
          1. Same lech 26 December 2019 06: 35 New
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            Violent gathering of peoples into one whole, taking away their soul and their culture, is also not good ... it smacks of fascism.
            Are you really not enough of the Roman Empire and the millennial Reich of Germany.
            1. Bar2 26 December 2019 06: 39 New
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              it seems so to you, it is worth starting and everything will turn out, as for the OI, then the story is not true.
              1. Same lech 26 December 2019 06: 42 New
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                smile As the good intentions say, the road to Hell is paved ... always the romantics of noble and beautiful ideas about equality and fraternity are scoundrels and scoundrels who turn any noble idea into abomination and dirty tricks.
                1. Bar2 26 December 2019 06: 46 New
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                  Quote: The same Lech
                  As the good intentions say, the road to Hell is paved ... always the romantics of noble and beautiful ideas about equality and fraternity are scoundrels and scoundrels who turn any noble idea into abomination and dirty tricks.


                  for this it is necessary to know the TRUE history, so as not to make mistakes of the past.
                  1. Golovan Jack 26 December 2019 07: 11 New
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                    Quote: Bar2
                    for this and you need to know the true story

                    The comma is superfluous.

                    Quote: Bar2
                    not to make mistakes of the past

                    To - together.

                    PS: "Russian", type laughing
            2. apro 26 December 2019 07: 14 New
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              taking their soul and culture from them

              I do not agree. The path of civilization naturally leads to unity. And only healthy and sufficiently viable communities can offer better conditions for the life of the population. Including territories under control. The soul is a good thing, but as I understand it, this is a purely personal matter. Culture should also change. with the advent of new productive forces, the archaic gives way to industry and there is no escape from this.
              The civilization of Great Rome and the German Reich is the subject of closer scrutiny rather than condemnation.
          2. Ross xnumx 26 December 2019 07: 16 New
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            Quote: Bar2
            biblical stories are one way of separating humanity.

            What has always surprised me in biblical stories is the limited place of action. It seems that the talk about the globes of selected countries found their echo in wide open souls ...
            And I’ll say, there were masters to invent different stories, and then create facts under them ...
        2. Boris55 26 December 2019 07: 59 New
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          Quote: The same Lech
          Do you want to create a new tower of Babel ...

          Everything new is well forgotten old.

          Quote: The same Lech
          ... how many such towers have already been destroyed by God ...

          Exactly God or those who wanted to live at someone else's expense?

          Quote: The same Lech
          Are you really not enough of the Roman Empire and the millennial Reich of Germany.

          All of them were collected by force.

          Why did this West surrender to you ... Pay attention to Russia, where people with different cultures, religions and with different languages ​​live quite comfortably. Russia, unlike the West and the East, does not destroy the identity of peoples.

          ps
          According to the latest census, ~ 200 nationalities live in Russia - this is almost as much as the countries represented in the UN.
          1. Same lech 26 December 2019 09: 28 New
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            The Russian people get along quite comfortably with other peoples and I only welcome this ... I’m worried about the situation when under some political slogans they begin to deprive people of their right to their language, school, culture, and then ... what are we observing in the Baltic States and Ukraine .
            1. Boris55 26 December 2019 10: 29 New
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              Quote: The same Lech
              ... I’m worried about the situation when under some political slogans they begin to deprive people of the right to their language, school, culture and then

              Below is a quote from the Stalin definition of what a nation is. Our enemies hit just on all these points in order to bring the Russians to zero.

              "A nation is historically established,
              - a stable community of people,
              - arising on the basis of a common language,
              - territories
              - economic life and mental warehouse,
              - manifested in a common culture.

              Only the presence of all the signs taken together gives us the nation "(IV Stalin," Marxism and the National Question ", Works, vol. 2., 1946, p. 296, 297).

              Quote: The same Lech
              what we are now observing in the Baltic states and in Ukraine.

              This happens not only in the former republics but also in the 24 republics that make up Russia.
      2. Plantagenet 26 December 2019 08: 21 New
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        “Ukrainians changed (there was such a dream in the 44th: to evict the whole of Ukraine to Siberia, but no one to replace, much too much); Lithuanians, Estonians, Tatars, Cossacks, Kalmyks, Chechens, Ingush, Latvians changed - even the support of the revolution is Latvians! And even native Georgians, protected from mobilization - and they, as it were, did not wait for Hitler! And only those remained faithful to their Father: Russians and Jews.

        So even the national question laughed at him in those difficult years .. "

        A.I.Solzhenitsyn "In the first circle"
      3. Far B 26 December 2019 08: 53 New
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        Get fucked up. Steep porridge in your skull is boiled. Hitler succeeded, Stalin did not succeed. And for some reason, the Union of multilingual diverse tribes led by Grandfather Soso won the victory. Paradox! But: "Credo quia absurdum." What else to add about you ...
        1. Bar2 26 December 2019 10: 19 New
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          And for some reason the victory was won by the Union of multilingual diverse tribes led by grandfather Soso


          not true, for example, the Panfilov division formed in Almaty and Frunze, Kyrgyz - 11 percent, Kazakhs -11, Russians-67, Ukrainians-8 (who are also Russians), the remaining 3 percent are representatives of other nationalities of the Soviet Union. At that time, there were more Kazakhs and Kyrgyzs on the ground than Russians.
          It was a war of the Russian people against Germans / Europeans / Jews.
          1. Octopus 26 December 2019 13: 20 New
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            Quote: Bar2
            It was a war of the Russian people against ... Jews.

            Very good thanks.
          2. LiSiCyn 26 December 2019 13: 33 New
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            Quote: Bar2
            . And this despite the fact that at that time there were more Kazakhs and Kyrgyzs on the ground than the Russians.

            Why so? Have you ever been to those places? The city of Alma-Ata, the former Fortress - Faithful, was founded by the Cossacks of the Semirechensky army. The area of ​​the small village, doesn’t tell you anything? The nearest villages are Pokrovka, Dmitrevka, Nikolaevka, Alekseevka. Alma-Ata is the main railway hub in Central Asia, who worked in DEPO? Kazakhs and Kyrgyz nomadic peoples. In cities,% of the local population, especially at the beginning of the war, was minimal. Yes, and to call in the army not literate, not knowing the language, there was no point.
            1. Bar2 26 December 2019 14: 04 New
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              why ? Have you ever been to those places? G


              I myself am with Frunze and I know what I'm saying.
              1. LiSiCyn 26 December 2019 14: 39 New
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                Quote: Bar2
                myself with Frunze and know what I'm saying

                Something doubts gnaw at me ...
                In my school in the 1st grade, there was one student of a non-Slavic nationality and that Uyghur. In the "centers" there were more, but also not a majority. This is me about the 80s. Moreover, do not equal Frunze and Alma-Ata, as they said at that time ... Frunze is a large village of Alma-Ata. wink
            2. Talgat 148 26 December 2019 18: 18 New
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              In your opinion, only the urban population was drafted into the field army! ??
              And what about the national formations !? 100, 101 Kazakh rifle brigades for example !?
              86% of Kazakhs were in them.
              But, in modern Kazakhstan, it is customary to say that they are Kazakhstanis, 1,2 million citizens of the Kazakh SSR were called up to the Second World War, I think a good half were Kazakhs, my grandfather was wounded near Stalingrad, and I'm proud of it!
              You were not the only ones to fight.
              1. LiSiCyn 26 December 2019 19: 57 New
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                Talgat, not a bit trying to belittle the role and contribution of the Kazakh people to the Great Victory. I explained the formation of 316 senior divisions. Which was formed at the very beginning of the war, when it was still possible to choose. Further already, this was not.
                Quote: Talgat 148
                But, in modern Kazakhstan, it is customary to say that they are Kazakhstanis, 1,2 million citizens of the Kazakh SSR were called up to the Second World War, I think a good half were Kazakhs, my grandfather was wounded near Stalingrad, and I'm proud of it!

                And I am proud that I was born in Alma-Ata. That in October and the pioneers took us to the Eternal Flame, in the Park to them. 28 Panfilovites. That he earned the honor of standing at the Post of Glory number 1 when he got older.
                Quote: Talgat 148
                You were not the only ones to fight.

                We all, citizens of the USSR, fought with the enemy. And everyone contributed to the Victory. Just "some" now, start to forget about it.
                1. Talgat 148 27 December 2019 03: 45 New
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                  I agree!
                  I firmly shake my hand !!!!
          3. victor50 26 December 2019 14: 17 New
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            Quote: Bar2
            It was a war of the Russian people against Germans / Europeans / Jews.

            and what kind of people are these - Russians? A patriot? It's disgusting! Seriously consider yourself Russian? Not knowing how to spell this word?
      4. cradle 27 December 2019 05: 19 New
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        tprrrru ... have arrived. I heard it already ... um ... Judas .... Trotsky ... yes, yes. Nizya does not crush anyone, dear, and force, on a national basis. This (for some reason) leads to poor results. In economics, do what you want (within reason), but not with nationalities and religion.
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  2. Paul Siebert 26 December 2019 06: 08 New
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    Until recently, I was tormented by the thought: "why does the West underestimate the significance of World War II, as such?"
    And here is the answer - they suffered losses disproportionately smaller than the USSR.
    Great Europe considers the First World War.
    There, for example, only under Verdun did the British and the French lose more than those killed during the entire Second World War.
    But there were other great battles on the western front - on the Marne, under the Somme, battles in Belgium.
    In some English towns and cities, none of the recruits and volunteers survived. Entire classes of graduates of local schools left and did not return.
    Then they began to moan about the "killed generation".
    Amid this nightmare, World War II for Europe is an unpleasant event, but not a catastrophe.
    Wehrmacht skating rink went through the "civilized".
    They simply did not manage to lose a lot of people. Surrendered.
    And joined the ranks of the hated Wehrmacht.
    I'm not talking about England - she, as always, sat behind the strait, fighting in the air, in North Africa and in other Sicilies.
    The entire severity of the war was borne by the Soviet Union.
    Before that, Russia was bleeding on the fronts of the First World War, civil. Starved in ruin, rebuilt the city, suffered from world isolation ...
    And now - again!
    Four years of unparalleled feat.
    Exempt rated appreciated it? No!
    By and large, she, as part of the Reich, lost.
    Let's not forget about it!
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      Because the French surrendered quickly because they did not want to fight in the present after the First World War.
  3. 1536 26 December 2019 07: 04 New
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    Europeans have a short memory, but even shorter is some of our citizens. Alas, these citizens, who make up about 4% of the population, determined and determine in many ways today the direction of the country's movement. The results of almost all the wars that Russia waged after an attack on it or in defense of itself were revised in the next 30-50 years, and all achievements and conquests went to welding. This must not be allowed.
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    In fact, such a huge loss of the USSR-Russia was caused by the fact that we fought alone most of the war, and the USA and England were waiting for someone to take.

    At the level of school work .. England in the 40th, during the battle of London, was expecting - and who will take it anyway? )))
    1. Octopus 26 December 2019 08: 33 New
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      At the level of school work .. England in the 40th, during the battle of London, was expecting - and who will take it anyway? )))

      This is Samsonov, he sees so.
      1. Krasnodar 26 December 2019 08: 46 New
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        It’s good that he doesn’t write about superethnos and hypercivilization ..))
        1. Octopus 26 December 2019 08: 50 New
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          Still write.
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      After they fled from the dunkirk, dropping sheep, we can say so.
  5. Olgovich 26 December 2019 07: 38 New
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    World War II claimed the lives of 50 million people, more than half of this number were Soviet citizens who died.

    And in WWI, Russia's losses are 9% of the world. Moreover, they are FIVE times less than the losses in the civil war.
    WWII

    Someone signed the Brest "peace", as a result of which Russia did not participate in the post-war peacekeeping system and in the control of Germany’s armaments.
    The result is WWII.
    However, much more French fought on the side of Hitler.

    One USSR leader said that while three large predators of Europe clashed in a mortal battle, we are resolving our issues (with Finland). The USSR resolved the issue with Finland, and Hitler with France.

    As a result, the USSR is one against Europe.
    Neither England nor France have changed since the PMV. But in WWI, they managed to agree with them, before WWII, no. Therefore, the losses of Anglo-Franks in WWI are greater than the losses of Russia.
    In WWII, the very opposite.
    The Germans also actively formed collaborationist units.

    This was not even mentioned in WWII: the same Latvians did not shoot at the Red Army as in WWII, but fiercely fought with the Germans at the front.

    All stood the country. But the price was very, very high.
    1. apro 26 December 2019 07: 57 New
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      Someone signed the Brest "peace", as a result of which Russia did not participate in the post-war peacekeeping system and in the control of Germany’s armaments.

      I understand that this greatly helped France and England ...
      1. Olgovich 26 December 2019 09: 05 New
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        Quote: apro
        I understand that this greatly helped France and England ...

        This led to WWII.
        1. apro 26 December 2019 09: 51 New
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          Quote: Olgovich
          This led to WWII.

          How ????? Germany after the PMA is completely under the authority of the Allies. Part of the territory was occupied. Part was lost. Huge distributions and just robbery. The army is disarmed and neutered. In the country there is a mess. Inflation and other perestroika joys of life. HOW ???
          1. Olgovich 26 December 2019 10: 07 New
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            Quote: apro
            How ????? Germany after the PMA is completely under the authority of the Allies. Part of the territory was occupied. Part was lost. Huge distributions and just robbery. The army is disarmed and neutered. In the country there is a mess. Inflation and other perestroika joys of life. HOW ???

            The territory is NOT occupied, the allies did not stink there.
            Factories, workers - IN PLACE, lonely France with a SHAME was kicked out of German lands when it was pulled.
            In Russia, this is impossible to imagine. But she was not there -because of Brest betrayal.
            1. apro 26 December 2019 10: 17 New
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              The territory is NOT occupied, the allies did not stink there

              But the Rhine region and the Ruhr? Belgian. French occupiers? Yes, factories are in place, but thanks to reparations and indemnities, production collapsed. The population was impoverished daily. And how do you say they drove them out? Germany has no army. No weapons. HOW ??
              1. Olgovich 26 December 2019 11: 18 New
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                Quote: apro
                But the Rhine region and the Ruhr? Belgian. French occupiers? Yes, factories are in place, but thanks to reparations and indemnities, production collapsed. The population was impoverished daily. And how do you say they drove them out? Germany has no army. No weapons. HOW ??

                France retired from the Ruhr in 1925 under the pressure of Germany, England and the United States.
                1. apro 26 December 2019 11: 36 New
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                  France retired from the Ruhr in 1925 under the pressure of Germany, England and the United States.

                  Do you understand what you wrote? Based on your words. Allies on the Entente opposed Germany? Contributed to its economic power? And if they were so afraid of it then why did they do it? Finally the occupiers left in 1930. if Russia was not there ???? well. ..
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                    Quote: apro
                    Do you understand what you wrote? Based on your words. Allies on the Entente opposed Germany? Contributed to its economic power?

                    Do you understand what you wrote?
                    Explicitly: WHERE France ... "revived"? belay
                    England defended its own German market, sagging as a result of the economic crisis caused by the Ruhr incident. Etc.

                    The world is MUCH EASIER than the primitive “revived” —not revived
                    Quote: apro
                    if was Russia this was not ???? well, well ...

                    Here are those, well, well: when the USSR after WWII WAS in the peace support system, TMV is NOT.
                    After the WWII it was not there IS WWII.

                    "Coincided", yes .... lol
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                      And .... the Angles defended their markets in such a way that they allowed the Germans not to pay reparations. To build a fleet. To develop tank building and aviation. To enter universal conscription. To enter the demilitarized region which directly violated the Treaty of Versailles ??? I understand correctly? Or something is wrong ? It’s clear that the world is not simple. But why complicate it?
                      I didn’t quite understand this. What does it mean in the peace support system? What does it mean? Or can the existence of a powerful, industrial and raw material base in the USSR. The zone of influence somewhat moderate the ardor of the imperialists?
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                        Quote: apro
                        Ah .... the Angles defended their markets so much that they allowed the Germans not to pay reparations.

                        We talked about the RUSSIAN conflict, and it was explained to you WHAT happened.
                        Quote: apro
                        enter the demilitarized area that directly violated the Treaty of Versailles ??? Do I understand correctly?

                        Nobody wanted to fight with Germany.
                        Quote: apro
                        This I did not quite understand. What does it mean in the system of ensuring peace? What does it mean?

                        UN site to help you.
                        Quote: apro
                        maybe the existence of the USSR’s yab. powerful all-own industrial and raw material base. the zone of influence somewhat tempered the ardor of the imperialists?

                        The USSR is one of the creators of the peacekeeping system.
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                        It’s clear. They didn’t want to fight Germany. But they did it so ... the gymnasium’s answer ... will resolve itself ...
                        The UN over the entire history of its existence has not been able to resolve issues of international security. The maximum preservation of the conflict. All nuclear security treaties. General armaments were decided between the two centers of power. As far as possible. Today there is none. And the UN seems to be there.
  6. Octopus 26 December 2019 08: 35 New
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    Quote: Olgovich
    The result is WWII

    Still, WWII is considered the result of Versailles, and not Brest-Litovsk. No need to flatter yourself. Brest-Litovsk, by the way, was not recognized by Versailles. So the appearance of the USSR is the result of the same gathering.
    1. Olgovich 26 December 2019 09: 11 New
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      Quote: Octopus
      Still, WWII is considered the result of Versailles, and not Brest-Litovsk. No need to flatter yourself.

      If you exert yourself, you will find out that Brest was EARLIER than Versailles and became the REASON that Russia was not there.

      Therefore, she did NOT participate in peacekeeping, did not control Germany (and without Russia this is impossible), and she armed herself. Next, WWII.

      But after WWII, the USSR participated in the peacekeeping system, and TMV was not.

      These are just FACTS.
      1. Octopus 26 December 2019 09: 37 New
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        Quote: Olgovich
        did not control Germany (and without Russia this is impossible)

        Seriously?
        Quote: Olgovich
        WWII USSR PARTICIPATED in the peacekeeping system, and TMV was NOT.

        The participation of the USSR in the peacekeeping system, starting with the civil war in Greece and then through all the stops, is a separate interesting topic.
        1. Olgovich 26 December 2019 10: 10 New
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          Quote: Octopus
          Seriously?

          Nope lol
          Quote: Octopus
          USSR participation in the system peacekeepingStarting with the civil war in Greece and then on all stops - a separate interesting topic.

          TMV-NO - with the participation of Russia (USSR)
          WWII-without the participation of Russia (USSR)

          "Coincided", yes ...
          1. Octopus 26 December 2019 10: 59 New
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            Quote: Olgovich
            WWII-without the participation of Russia (USSR)

            Hold the revisionist!
            1. Olgovich 27 December 2019 07: 29 New
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              Hold the revisionist!

              "" Hold the thief! "- the thief shouts ..." (c)
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      1. Vladimir_2U 26 December 2019 09: 17 New
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        Sadness is trouble, Olgych does not watch me point-blank; he would still not rubbish at the same time.
        Quote: Olgovich
        But after WWII, the USSR participated in the peacekeeping system, and TMV was not.
        Still, he had enough of the guns that the USSR had nuclear weapons for the most powerful army in addition.
        1. Alexander Suvorov 26 December 2019 09: 48 New
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          he wouldn’t have sprinkled garbage at the same time.
          Then it will be no longer olgovich ... laughing Well, without him we will die of boredom. hi
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            No, well, he has sane comments, but mostly ...
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  8. Alexander Suvorov 26 December 2019 08: 58 New
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    As a result, the USSR is one against Europe.
    Mr. LIAR, do not lie, Europe was originally laid under Hitler for the war against the USSR. England initially intended to fight the USSR, not Germany, and it was only thanks to the policies of Stalin and Molotov that everything turned around.
    1. Olgovich 26 December 2019 09: 27 New
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      Quote: Alexander Suvorov
      England was originally going to fight the USSR

      England, two years earlier, entered the fight against Hitlerism.
      Quote: Alexander Suvorov
      only thanks to Molotov’s policy did everything turn around the other way around.

      Remember, remember, Molotov, oct. 1939 (England is ALREADY at war):
      "Not only pointless, but it’s criminal to wage such a warAs war for the annihilation of Hitlerism
      1. Alexander Suvorov 26 December 2019 09: 30 New
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        England, two years earlier, entered the fight against Hitlerism.
        And who did he bring up this Hitlerism? Was it England?
        Remember, remember, Molotov, oct. 1939 (England is ALREADY at war):
        Well, for starters, remember Chamberlain, a liar and an ignoramus, unconscious ...
        1. Octopus 26 December 2019 09: 39 New
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          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          to begin with Chamberlain remember, a liar and an ignoramus is unconscious ...

          This is where Britain declared war on Germany? And what are your complaints about Chamberlain?
          1. apro 26 December 2019 09: 42 New
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            Munich 1938
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              Munich 1938

              And what was wrong there? Are you against the course of ethnic enclaves to reunite with their historical homeland?
              1. apro 26 December 2019 10: 44 New
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                I do not mind. But bending down the Czechs, the Angles allowed to review the results of the pvm.
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                  but bending the Czechs the Angles allowed to review the results of the pvm.

                  And having signed three years before under the removal of Versailles' restrictions on naval weapons, including submarines, they did not allow to review the results?
                  By the way, about the review, are you aware that Austria had already reunited by that time?
                  1. apro 26 December 2019 11: 40 New
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                    In the course on Austria. But the Czechs were, as it were, the military allies of the French and the English. And this, as you know, is a serious step. Reviewing borders in this format destroys all previously reached agreements.
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                      Quote: apro
                      Czechs were, as it were, military allies of the French and English

                      Military allies?
                  2. Alexey RA 26 December 2019 14: 01 New
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                    Quote: Octopus
                    And having signed three years before under the removal of Versailles' restrictions on naval weapons, including submarines, they did not allow to review the results?

                    You can also recall the remilitarization of the Reich of the Rhine region, which the guarantors of Versailles looked through with their fingers.
                    In the end, the Germans just went into their garden.
                    1. Octopus 26 December 2019 14: 41 New
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                      There are many things to remember. At the same time, he turned up almost all of Baldwin, and "chose Shame and received shame and war" Chamberlain.

                      History is written by lovers of aphorisms. Memes, so to speak.
                    2. Alexey RA 26 December 2019 15: 15 New
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                      Quote: Octopus
                      There are many things to remember. At the same time, he turned up almost all of Baldwin, and "chose Shame and received shame and war" Chamberlain.

                      Duc ... Chamberlain just had no luck - he was succeeded by Churchill.
                      And since Winnie had plenty of stocks, in his memoirs he traditionally tried to blame them on his heirs (in fact, they write memoirs for this). smile If it were someone else, not Winnie, Chamberlain's reputation might not have been affected so much. But Churchill was a master of the pen and the gnarly word - and the black PR in his performance was extremely effective.
                      As a result, few people think that Britain held on to the first half of the war precisely thanks to Chamberlain's efforts. And the fleet and even longer - the same new KRL and all the “Kings” appeared precisely thanks to the “pacifist” and “peacemaker”.
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                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      traditionally tried to blame them on the heirs

                      XX Congress by correspondence.
                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      Britain held on to the first half of the war precisely thanks to Chamberlain's efforts

                      The fact that the Battle of Britain was won mainly by Chamberlain, and indeed Bismarck, in fact, he drowned, few know. But Hood no, Hood drowned Bowden and Churchill as treasurer)).
        2. Alexey RA 26 December 2019 14: 19 New
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          Munich 1938

          If you take Chamberlain, then he had no alternatives to Munich-1938. In 1938, Britain was absolutely not ready for war - it simply had nothing to fight except the fleet. The army and the air force were at such a fifth point that Chamberlain, even as chancellor, sounded the alarm and knocked out an increase in military spending. Think about it: a peacemaker and pacifist, who is at a post that provides tight control over government spending, demanded an increase in the army and military spending. smile
          Having moved to the prime minister’s chair, Chamberlain did not give up - he achieved an increase in the threshold of military spending, and then several times he shifted this bar and knocked out additional financing for the military, including through emergency loans. Starting in 1935 with 120 million pounds, Chamberlain in 1939 brought the military budget to 600 million! The biggest replenishment awaited the Air Force - if in 1936 Chamberlain planned to increase the number of aircraft to 1750, then the numbers only grew, and in 1939 the Air Force should have received about 8 aircraft.

          But this became possible only in 1939, when Chamberlain's efforts finally paid off. And in 1938, connections were only forming. and the equipment for them was either still being designed, or was just starting to be produced.
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            In 1938, Britain was absolutely not ready for war -

            And who was ... ready?
            No one!
            1. Alexey RA 28 December 2019 09: 56 New
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              Quote: Olgovich
              And who was ... ready?
              No one!

              Let's just say - Britain was less prepared than all other countries. For which special thanks to one chancellor of the Treasury, who established the rule that the armed forces of Britain in peacetime should be built at the rate of "10 years without war." smile
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      Well, for starters, remember Chamberlain, a liar and an ignoramus, unconscious ...

      So I’m talking about this: England is already at war with Hitlerism, and Molotov ... defends it.

      Protects, there and then, in October 1939, .... peaceful Germany from aggressors England and France. Moreover, no one even asked for it!
  9. victor50 26 December 2019 14: 27 New
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    "It’s not only pointless, but also criminal to wage such a war as the war for the destruction of Hitlerism

    link to the source would be nice
    1. Olgovich 27 December 2019 07: 36 New
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      Quote: victor50
      link to the source would be nice

      belay Molotov.
      What else?!
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        Quote: Olgovich
        Quote: victor50
        link to the source would be nice

        Molotov.
        What else?!

        Told you ?! lol
        1. Olgovich 27 December 2019 11: 40 New
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          Quote: victor50
          Told you ?!

          Source: Molotov.

          ps. when will it come? belay
          1. victor50 27 December 2019 19: 40 New
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            Quote: Olgovich
            Told you ?!

            Source: Molotov.

            ps. when will it come?

            What manners! What an exquisite speech! Immediately obvious - from the nobles, aristocrat! lol
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              Quote: victor50
              What manners! What an exquisite speech! Immediately obvious - from the nobles, aristocrat!

              So when, after all? request
  • Alexey RA 26 December 2019 13: 58 New
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    Europe was originally planted under Hitler for the war against the USSR.

    Do not flatter the USSR.
    Back in the mid-30s, the General Staff of the Red Army seriously feared that in the event of aggression by such powerful powers as Romania, Poland and Finland, the war would be long and bloody. And if Japan joins them, then the USSR may lose.
    The USSR and the army acquired a normal army only in 1939. And before that - 25 personnel divisions from Kamchatka to Karelia. The rest are the territories where the regiment’s chief of staff cannot assign the task to the battalion, and the arriving enlisted personnel does not differ from the recruits in terms of training level, so the territorial division becomes combat ready only a couple of months after receiving the enlisted personnel.
    1. Alexander Suvorov 26 December 2019 14: 04 New
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      In the mid-30s, Stalin was in full swing preparing for war with Germany. After Hitler came to power, even the blind could understand which direction Hitler would go. Stalin was not blind, deaf either!
      1. Alexey RA 26 December 2019 15: 24 New
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        In the mid-30s, Stalin was in full swing preparing for war with Germany.

        Not certainly in that way. Until 1935, Germany was considered neutral:
        The deployment of rifle formations and units corresponded to the main provisions of the operational plan for the deployment of the Red Army, according to which Japan was considered the main enemy of the Soviet Union, and the Far East was determined as the main theater of military operations. In the West, it was supposed to conduct military operations against Poland and Romania with the neutrality of Finland, Estonia and Latvia and the friendly neutrality of Germany.

        And only after 1935 did the German-Polish bloc appear in plans, in alliance with Finland and Japan.
        A sharp change in the military-political situation in Europe, namely, the threat of war with Germany and Poland, on the one hand, and with Japan, on the other hand, forced the military-political leadership of the USSR to take emergency measures. Already in March 1935, the government made significant adjustments to the mobilization plan. Under pressure from the 2nd Deputy NCO M.N. Tukhachevsky and with the support of I.V. Stalin, the leadership of the NCO (primarily K.E. Voroshilov and A.I. Egorov) were forced to adopt a program to strengthen the cavalry, infantry and motorized forces by increase the number of compounds.
        MN Tukhachevsky, making his proposals to increase the number of rifle divisions in wartime, proceeded from the fact that Germany and Poland in 1936 could set up 111 infantry divisions on the USSR borders, while the forces of the Ukrainian and Belorussian fronts would not include more than 90 rifle divisions, while 140 formations will be required to minimize offensive operations. Therefore, Tukhachevsky insisted on having at least 207 rifle divisions in the Red Army, and preferably 248.

        On April 14, 1935, the Chief of Staff of the Red Army prepared a new report on the development of the Armed Forces for 1936-1938. The report noted that the clearly revealed German-Polish bloc, directed primarily against the USSR, as well as the large increase in armaments in the entire "bourgeois camp", made us again consider the Western theater of war "as an actual front." It was assumed that already in 1936 the German-Polish bloc, in cooperation with Finland, could set up up to 120 infantry divisions, and by 1938-1939, together with Japan, up to 250 infantry divisions and 20 infantry brigades.
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    The “Crusade” of the West against Russia

    Absolutely not.
    The West has split. And its most advanced part supported the fight against Hitlerism.
    What would the Soviet Union do without Lend-Lease? And the struggle of England, the USA, fighting France and the Resistance forces in Europe. This is a contribution to the overall victory and very significant.
    It is necessary to remember this, refraining from incorrect generalizations.
    1. 72jora72 26 December 2019 08: 06 New
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      What would the Soviet Union do without Lend-Lease?
      Also what didfought with Nazi Europe
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        Europe was not all Nazi.
        Or is it unknown?
        1. Alexander Suvorov 26 December 2019 09: 06 New
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          Europe was not all Nazi.
          Or is it unknown?
          Yes?! And who was not Nazi in Europe? Greece with Serbia ?! Or am I missing someone?
          The truth is being said: scratch the anti-adviser; you will find the West-Russophobian lisophobia!
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            And who was not Nazi in Europe?

            There was no one. This is a purely German thing.
            If you are interested in neutrals in the war with the USSR, then this is Sweden, Switzerland, Ireland, France, Spain, Portugal, Bulgaria. A number of countries under occupation, Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Yugoslavia, Greece, I would not call them allies of the Reich. Maybe I forgot someone else.
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              Octopus
              If you are interested in neutrals in the war with the USSR, then this is Sweden, Switzerland, Ireland, France, Spain, Portugal, Bulgaria.
              Tell you the truth fool or just pretend to be?
              The names of the SS divisions "Charlemagne", "Wallonia", "Netherland", "Nordland", "Langemark" and others apparently do not tell you anything? About the "neutrality" of Sweden, Spain, and especially France was very amusing. Only complete and complete could write this. fool .
              However, I did not expect anything clever from you!
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                SS divisions "Charlemagne", "Wallonia", "Netherland", "Nordland", "Langemark" and others apparently do not say anything to you?

                And what are your claims to the good? Is that equal to a military alliance now?
                Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                especially France was very amused

                What amused you, you are our cheerful? Do you want to drag the Petten government to WWII?
                1. Alexey RA 26 December 2019 15: 06 New
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                  What amused you, you are our cheerful? Do you want to drag the Petten government to WWII?

                  And why exactly Petena? France in WWII was at least three pieces (occupied north, neutral south and Gaullists). If not more - for the colonies lived their own minds and did not particularly look back at the Metropolis. smile
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                    at least three pieces (occupied north, neutral south and Gaullists)

                    And all of them had relations with the Reich from “fought” (before the USSR again) to “quietly harmed”. No, they had their own thin machine gunners, where without them.
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              If you are interested in neutrals in the war with the USSR, then this is Sweden, Switzerland, Ireland, France, Spain, Portugal, Bulgaria.

              Bulgaria is a member of the Triple Pact. Formally, she did not declare war on the USSR and did not send troops, but in fact she was a non-combatant ally of the Reich.
              Spain ... well, yes, Franco solved our domestic political problems at our own expense and Germany, getting rid of the radicals on the left and right side by sending them as volunteers for war. smile
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                was actually a non-combatant ally of the Reich.

                Who knows who was virtually non-combatant ally. Not all the Soviet Union was so lucky.
                Quote: Alexey RA
                getting rid of the radicals on the left and right side by sending them as volunteers for war

                Yes, Franco well done, one cannot but admit. He fought, so to speak, with extremism on distant approaches.
            3. Red Bogatyr 26 December 2019 22: 38 New
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              neutrals in the war with the USSR, then this is Sweden
              oh, sorry allies did not get to neutral Sweden ... you look and WW2 became a year or two shorter
          2. Albatroz 26 December 2019 13: 19 New
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            Yes?! And who was not Nazi in Europe?

            Well I say - not at all))
            The same Great Britain, one of the most consistent fighters against Hitlerism.
            In particular, avoiding the period of kissing with the Nazis and joint parades))
            1. Alexander Suvorov 26 December 2019 13: 31 New
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              Albatroz (Manfred)
              The same Great Britain, one of the most consistent fighters against Hitlerism.
              In particular, avoiding a period of kissing with the Nazis
              laughing laughing laughing Have you ever heard of the King of Britain ziggling at the camera? And what about the Munich agreement?
              and joint parades
              This myth about the "joint parade" has long been debunked, but how is it more liberal to know about it, yes ?!
              1. Albatroz 26 December 2019 15: 05 New
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                Have you ever heard of the King of Britain ziggling at the camera?

                you traditionally mix everything and everything together.
                Zigovat. Yes, you never know what Comrade Stalin did with a picture of Hitler, maybe he kissed at night))
                I'm talking about behavior statesand not their leaders.
                Britain was more consistent than the USSR, having been friends with the Nazis for almost 2 years.
                This myth of the "joint parade" has long been debunked

                are you talking about your activities at VO?)) you never know what you are blowing in your ears?)) Debunker))
                Parade from this is not cold and not hot. The fact is fixed.
                Liberation itself. If only because you support the current regime in Russia
              2. Red Bogatyr 27 December 2019 19: 03 New
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                I’m looking, some knowingly distort information or impudently lie ... as Goebbels has it, "a lie repeated a thousand times becomes true"
            2. Red Bogatyr 26 December 2019 22: 35 New
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              The same Great Britain, one of the most consistent fighters against Hitlerism.
              is it under Chamberlain or something ??? laughing
              1. Albatroz 27 December 2019 14: 44 New
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                Yes, at least since the age of 39)
                And ours in 1939-41. Nazis watched under the tail laughing
                1. Red Bogatyr 27 December 2019 19: 07 New
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                  again
                  The same Great Britain, one of the most consistent fighters against Hitlerism.
                  they began to fight, not even after they attacked their ally Poland, but only after they themselves began to receive in the teeth! "Strange war" did not hear, of course)))
                  1. Albatroz 27 December 2019 20: 47 New
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                    They began to fight earlier than the USSR.
                    Well, Ribbentrop did not get anywhere more comfort than if "among the old party comrades."
                    And the colors are almost similar.
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                      Red and brown
                    2. Red Bogatyr 27 December 2019 22: 37 New
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                      They began to fight earlier than the USSR.
                      it is not in Spain in 1936 by chance ???)) and do not fight and defend themselves when the fostered fascist beast broke its chain !!!!
                      1. Albatroz 28 December 2019 18: 35 New
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                        And didn’t it cherish in Kazan and Lipetsk schools as well?)
                        By chance?)
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                        And didn’t it cherish in Kazan and Lipetsk schools as well?)

                        1. That was the Reichswehr, otherwise we recognize the foreknowledge of the future as an ordinary human quality, and we recognize the American bankers guilty of financing the future Reich (Dawes-Jung plan).
                        2. In these schools, German specialists taught Soviet specialists using their equipment and for their money.
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                Are you from France or Spain? laughing
          3. Red Bogatyr 27 December 2019 19: 15 New
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            In particular, avoiding a period of kissing with the Nazis
            kissing the gums
            and further))
  • Octopus 26 December 2019 08: 42 New
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    its most advanced part supported the fight against Hitlerism

    You are confusing something. First The West, represented by England and France, declared war on Hitlerism, themselves. Then The United States entered the war with Germany, starting to supply Britain with weapons at its own expense, themselves. And further later the peace-loving Soviet Union began to fight Hitlerism, and at the initiative of the German side, not myselfI remind you. Until June of the 41st year, the USSR fought with the allies of Britain, in particular Romania. Well, by coincidence.
    1. Krasnodar 26 December 2019 08: 53 New
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      Romania was not an ally of Britain
      Since Antonescu, there has been a strictly pro-Nazi orientation
      1. Octopus 26 December 2019 08: 56 New
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        Since Antonescu, there has been a strictly pro-Nazi orientation

        And you do not remember when and in connection with what events these very Antonescu times?
        1. Krasnodar 26 December 2019 09: 23 New
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          Read ))
          He got to power after the territorial concessions of Hungary, Bulgaria, the USSR and the conclusion of an agreement with Germany. Then he just continued the pro-German vector of royal politics
    2. Olgovich 26 December 2019 09: 29 New
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      Until June of the 41st year, the USSR fought with the allies of Britain, in particular, Romania.

      Remind the stages of the "struggles" lol
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  • Alexander Suvorov 26 December 2019 09: 03 New
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    What would the Soviet Union do without Lend-Lease?
    Well, it began, whimpering liberalism. The Lend-Lease has not changed ANYTHING, this is just a miserable 4% of the costs of the USSR. So the USSR would do without your shitty Lend-Lease.
    And the struggle of England, the USA, fighting France and the Resistance forces in Europe.
    What? Well, England with a very big stretch, but let's say it fought. USA ... no, I have never heard !!! France ... resistance ... do not tell my slippers, all their resistance is not worth even our one small partisan detachment.
    So put your nonsense to where you took it out and where it is always dark!
    1. Krasnodar 26 December 2019 09: 25 New
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      Lend Liz gave a lot of things and changed in our favor, and most importantly, saved many lives of Soviet people. Do not go to extremes.
      1. Alexander Suvorov 26 December 2019 09: 27 New
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        Krasnodar
        Lend Liz gave a lot of things and changed in our favor
        Yeah, "a lot", and now count how much the USA gave Germany for the war against the USSR. Truman's words to help you ...
        1. Krasnodar 26 December 2019 09: 34 New
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          And how much did the USSR sell to Germany for war? what
          Trade was - at the private level by the States, at the state level by the Soviet Union laughing
          1. Alexander Suvorov 26 December 2019 09: 41 New
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            Krasnodar
            And how much did the USSR sell to Germany for war?
            And how much did the USSR receive from Germany?
            Trade was - privately by the States
            Well, how did you hear this nonsense more than once.
            If we see that Germany is winning the war, we should help Russia, if there is Russia, we should help Germany, and let them kill each other as much as possible.
            (G. Truman)
            The USA helped both ours and yours until the landing in Normandy.
            1. Krasnodar 26 December 2019 10: 08 New
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              1) Weapons and equipment instead of petroleum products and food
              2) Ford, IBM and others - Amer state-owned companies?
              3) And what is not up to landing in Sicily? laughing And how did they help the Germans, in addition to the bombing?
              1. Alexander Suvorov 26 December 2019 10: 12 New
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                Fuck a fly, forgotten how to read or this Truman did not say?
                If we see that Germany is winning the war, we should help Russia, if there is Russia, we should help Germany, and let them kill each other as much as possible.
                (G. Truman)

                They didn’t try to include their heads, they say sometimes it helps, the Americanophiles are bad.
                1. Krasnodar 26 December 2019 10: 26 New
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                  I'm not Americanophile, firstly
                  But Truman said this "before the landing in Normandy?" lol
                  And for Stalin, the quick defeat of France was a rather unpleasant surprise ... you are our politician, intellectual, she is such a politician laughing
                2. Octopus 26 December 2019 11: 04 New
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                  or didn't Truman say this?

                  1. And who is Truman?
                  2. And what is he wrong about?
        2. Octopus 26 December 2019 11: 20 New
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          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          how much did the USA give Germany for the war against the USSR

          They didn’t give anything at all.
          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          Truman's words to help you

          Truman has his own opinion, Roosevelt has his own. By the way, in the 45th, when Truman had such an opportunity, the Americans behaved much more restrained. Even when the USSR and its small narrow-eyed friends were already killing American soldiers.
        3. smaug78 26 December 2019 11: 24 New
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          They didn’t give anything, read less Samsonov laughing
    2. The leader of the Redskins 26 December 2019 09: 33 New
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      There it is ... And Comrade Stalin, in your words, did not answer the proposal of the Allies (then). And he clearly said that we needed tanks, planes, anti-aircraft guns and much more ... And he ordered the creation of a commission to determine the needs. Of course, we won the war, only in what year and if not with the help of the Americans, when they would have dropped the atomic bomb on Berlin, if you think you were to climb into an alternative story!
      1. Alexander Suvorov 26 December 2019 09: 36 New
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        There it is ... And Comrade Stalin, in your words, did not answer the proposal of the Allies (then). And he clearly said that we need tanks, planes, anti-aircraft guns and much more ...
        I am too lazy to post the same thing, read the comment above about US assistance to Nazi Germany and remember the words of Truman.
    3. Vladivostok1969 26 December 2019 09: 36 New
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      You are absolutely right about 4%. But what was included in these percentages. It would be much harder for us without them.
      1. The leader of the Redskins 26 December 2019 09: 43 New
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        Yes. It was a dinner spoon. Which is just needed in the right place at the right time. And those who forgot about it just got used to displaying their ignorance as a virtue ....
        1. Alexander Suvorov 26 December 2019 10: 06 New
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          Yes. It was a dinner spoon.
          Well, yes, of course, for dinner. The first Lend-Lease deliveries began on December 28, 1941 !!! When we already won the battle of Moscow. And the main deliveries were in 43-44, when it was already clear to everyone that the USSR would win the war, such a "American lunch".
          And do not forget why and to whom the United States first emerged from the great depression, then became the first economy in the world and ultimately concentrated most of the world's gold reserves. "Help" pancake found ...
          1. Krasnodar 26 December 2019 10: 32 New
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            There would be no supplies, on our part more people would perish. Anyway. No one here praises Amers - and about their “withdrawal from the Great Depression”, which ended in 1939 thanks to the actions of Roosevelt, our Nicolas didn’t interfere with sitting away from the WWII and getting into the right moment do not care on whose side Now we would iPhones in China produced laughing
            1. Red Bogatyr 26 December 2019 21: 57 New
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              our Nicolas did not interfere with sitting away from the PMV and get into at the right time do not care on whose side
              state your plan?
              1. Krasnodar 26 December 2019 22: 01 New
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                The plan is not mine. laughing
                I mean that if it was necessary to fit into World War I, then according to the Amer’s model, by the end of the war and for all sorts of nishtyaks and buns. We would now be the richest country on the planet.
                1. Red Bogatyr 26 December 2019 23: 16 New
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                  there were the words "nothing got in the way"
                  1. Krasnodar 26 December 2019 23: 28 New
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                    Besides what's always bothering bad dancers laughing
                    1. Red Bogatyr 26 December 2019 23: 42 New
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                      right to him in the 18th ??)
                    2. Krasnodar 27 December 2019 00: 46 New
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                      No. This is too cruel, especially for his family.
                    3. Red Bogatyr 27 December 2019 00: 50 New
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                      such is the cross of reigning persons - the crown is removed with the head ...
                    4. Red Bogatyr 27 December 2019 00: 59 New
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                      and no one will remember millions of ordinary mortals and their families ...
                    5. Krasnodar 27 December 2019 01: 26 New
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                      World is not fair. Life is pain. 2x2 = 4. Volga flows into the Caspian Sea.
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                      No. This is too cruel, especially for his family.
  • Octopus 26 December 2019 10: 55 New
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    it was already clear to everyone that the USSR would win the war

    There are other opinions.
    Your decision, Mr. President, to provide the Soviet Union with an interest-free loan worth $ 1 billion to pay for supplies of arms and raw materials to the Soviet Union, the Soviet Government accepts with sincere gratitude as the extremely serious support of the Soviet Union in its enormous and difficult struggle with our common enemy, with bloody Hitlerism.

    On behalf of the Government of the USSR, I fully agree with the terms and conditions set forth by you for providing this loan to the Soviet Union, the payments on which should begin 5 years after the end of the war and will be made within 10 years after the expiration of this five-year period.

    The Government of the USSR is ready to do everything necessary to supply the United States with the goods and raw materials that it has at its disposal and which the United States may need.

    9th of November 1941.

    Speaking of help. But why do the United States help the USSR? What did the Reich do wrong to them as of November 9, 41?
    1. Red Bogatyr 26 December 2019 21: 46 New
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      What did the Reich do wrong to them as of November 9, 41?
      they just thought two steps forward ...
      1. Octopus 26 December 2019 22: 03 New
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        two steps forward

        You are talking about people who began to put transports in convoys in the second year of the war. Google "second happy times."
        For 5 years, from April 1936 to April 1941, Americans laid down 1 (one) aircraft carrier.
        1. Red Bogatyr 26 December 2019 23: 29 New
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          Think praised ??? :)
        2. Red Bogatyr 26 December 2019 23: 33 New
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          let's then, but what did Großdeutsches Reich do wrong to them in March 1941 ??
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            think praised

            More than.
            Quote: Red Hero
            what did the Großdeutsches Reich do wrong to them in March 1941

            For a start, I did not know English well. Therefore, the stories of the British about the Byak of the Germans reached much better than the stories of the Germans about the Byak of the British.
            Well, in general, Adolf swung. He spoke a lot of superfluous, American factories, again, nationalized. For Jews, there were no questions for Jews.
  • The leader of the Redskins 26 December 2019 10: 56 New
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    Respected. Do not confuse Victory near Moscow with the Great Turn. And it happened in the 43rd year. I do not declare that without Lend Lisa we lost, but he VERY help to our country, our people. And here you are, in your hat-making, a little absurd.
  • Edward Vashchenko 26 December 2019 11: 25 New
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    The most important of all these deliveries: alcohol, as much as 331 006 liters!
  • victor50 26 December 2019 14: 32 New
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    fighting France and the Resistance forces in Europe

    Always respected. But it happened, I read a couple of books by just Western authors. About the fighting France (with the exception of de Gaulle) and the resistance, against the background of the fact that this happened with us - just nice words. There were both patriots and heroes, but the scale of the resistance ... What, by our standards, would be called betrayal, greatly outweighs. Well, about the rest of Europe, with the exception of Yugoslavia, and individual episodes, for example in Poland, the same thing.
  • East Kazakhstan 26 December 2019 07: 55 New
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    About once every hundred years (as history shows), the whole of Europe gathers in one gang and rushes to Russia to get good trends ...
    1. Edward Vashchenko 26 December 2019 11: 26 New
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      Obviously, different civilizations - friction is inevitable.
  • onega67 26 December 2019 08: 00 New
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    It was a big mistake not to destroy all these freebie lovers. Now we are reaping the fruits of that shortcoming.
  • rocket757 26 December 2019 08: 21 New
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    Germany was provided with weapons, equipment, ammunition and products throughout Europe. Europe fought against us not only on the labor front. The Nazis created a real anti-Soviet international in the Wehrmacht and the SS troops.

    In addition, in order to remember, it is necessary to poke the Geyropeys into their own guano ... constantly, without interruption, until it is written in the subcortex that this time, if anything, we will catch everyone to the end. TIRED!
    1. Octopus 26 December 2019 08: 47 New
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      geyropeyskie need to poke into their own guano ... constantly, without a break

      Totally agree with you. It is good that Vladimir Vladimirovich has been closely involved in history in recent days, his participation was very lacking.

      If you push it properly, in Europe they will finally begin to beat the face for a Russian passport right at the airport. Especially in the former fraternal countries.
      1. rocket757 26 December 2019 09: 19 New
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        If you push it properly, in Europe they will finally begin to beat the face for a Russian passport right at the airport. Especially in the former fraternal countries.

        And now they meet with flowers?
        Then, do we need such a geyropa? all the more, there the barmalei will level everything up so that the Geyropeans are not like going to the station, they will be afraid to stick their nose out of the houses! They will walk along the Champs Elysees alone, those who really wanted to go there, surrounded by their own kind, because the newcomers there are only afraid of FORCE, and the strength is not among the former gay men, but guess who ... HA, HA.
        Wanted to scare the hedgehog naked sirloin? Well, well, try ....
        PS ... I tried to imagine those who dare to encroach on our PASSPORT, in a geyropa ..... NO and NO ONE, like that.
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          And now they are meeting with flowers

          Without flowers, but for now they’re welcome, for some reason.
          1. rocket757 26 December 2019 09: 47 New
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            for some reason.

            It’s not even funny ... because IT IS NECESSARY.
            However, we also need it, also because we live on one planet.
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              They need

              This is a long conversation, to whom they need and what exactly.
              1. rocket757 26 December 2019 10: 56 New
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                So it IS NECESSARY FOR US, you won’t count on the fingers of your hands and it will not work out right away on the shelves.
                All that is simple is complicated.
  • Vladimir_2U 26 December 2019 08: 40 New
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    The USSR lost up to 11,5 million people during the fighting on the Eastern Front The eastern front is eastern for Germany, for us it was still western.
  • Nitarius 26 December 2019 08: 43 New
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    only this time .. the United States will not sit out in a puddle ..... GDP has not in vain said that the decision to receive missiles in the centers!
  • BAI
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    I always said that the EU = 3 Reich. And they are pursuing the same policy of enslaving Russia.
    As a matter of fact, this is precisely why active attempts are being made to rewrite and, if possible, forget the history of WWII, because they are all completely covered up in cooperation with Hitler, and Germany now also leads the EU.
    1. rocket757 26 December 2019 09: 51 New
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      As a matter of fact, that’s why there are active attempts to rewrite and, if possible, forget the history of WWII,

      It can do a lot with the people without memory, and when you succeed in hanging ALL “dogs”, make them repent, do what you want with this STUD because the people, NATION, cease to be!
      We teach history and we will teach others, for WE ARE NATION !!!
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      Quote: BAI
      I always said that the EU = 3 Reich. And they are pursuing the same policy of enslaving Russia.
      As a matter of fact, this is precisely why active attempts are being made to rewrite and, if possible, forget the history of WWII, because they are all completely covered up in cooperation with Hitler, and Germany now also leads the EU.

      In addition to the British, Norgs, Dutch, Belgians and Danes - almost everything.
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      if possible, forget the history of WWII, because they are all polls smeared cooperation with Hitler

      I did not quite understand the phrase. I've heard a lot about a country that has been trying to forget its cooperation with Hitler for a long time and very persistently.
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      And what is the EAEU - the second USSR? wassat
  • smaug78 26 December 2019 09: 56 New
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    The “Crusade” of the West against Russia - everything is clear at once. Samsonov, a mixture of lies and half-truths ...
  • K-50 26 December 2019 09: 59 New
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    If Stalin’s “cannibalistic regime” would have cleared the old European woman then, one would not have to listen to the current cries. It would be calmer. what
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      If Stalin’s “cannibalistic regime” would have cleansed an old European woman,

      That is the atomic bomb on Moscow in August 45th. Not everyone liked the USSR even then.
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        Which bomb? Churchill himself wanted to clear out all who fought on the side of the Germans.
  • Trilobite Master 26 December 2019 10: 56 New
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    This is completely normal and should not be surprising that in a conquered or conquered country there are those who support the conqueror in commodity quantities, both consciously, by conviction, and for purely mercantile reasons.
    Wikipedia has an article entitled “Collaborationism in the Second World War” - everything that the author stated to us is there, plus additional information.
    By the way, I want to remind you that Ukraine and the Baltic states were then part of the USSR and, accordingly, their inhabitants were citizens of the USSR and were its representatives. Thus, as it will not be strange, but it was the USSR that gave the largest number (in absolute terms) of collaborators who collaborated with Hitler.
    The author should have mentioned objectivity for the sake of it. Although what am I talking about?
    So there was no “crusade”. Hitler had his own army, allied armies and collaborative groups, the most representative of which was from the USSR.
    1. Krasnodar 26 December 2019 12: 25 New
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      You are here .... do not destroy Samsonov’s harmonious universe! Otherwise, he will begin to write classic fantasy and then there really will be one big Wazmere.
    2. Bar2 26 December 2019 14: 57 New
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      Quote: Trilobite Master
      This is completely normal and should not be surprising that in a conquered or conquered country there are those who support the conqueror in commodity quantities, both consciously, by conviction, and for purely mercantile reasons.



      Ie to be a traitor from your point of view is normal?
      I didn’t doubt you,
      I will keep your thesis for the future.
  • awdrgy 26 December 2019 11: 11 New
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    Their “crusade” began in the 9th century and did not stop even for a minute — whole families and tribes ceased to exist. Many were culturally and ethnically assimilated. Since then, the Slavs have only retreated to the east, sometimes snarling and inflicting powerful but private counterattacks. This is a war for worldview for existence and the Second World War its brightest episode. They always wanted our territory our resources and waged an ideological war even for our conscience and souls. If we continue to defend, we will lose everything. We need a doctrine that could successfully resist To their plans for "expanding our living space" Why not accept the doctrine of "restoring our living space" Everyone should understand that before their ancestors could live in Teterov Demmin Yarov Schwerin Mirow (this is present-day Germany) and now no And you won’t come there just like that by relatives’s car to visit Why? -because they were killed And the children (those who could not leave for Novgorod and Lithuania) were assimilated And for each episode of this war starting from the 9th century and even earlier and ending with the present century they need to be presented and asked from them By b in the long run, they have already "bothered" so much so that the rights of existence in our eyes do not have
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      What assimilation are you talking about? All toponymy of Germany bears a Slavic trace. But who came to these Slavic lands and replaced the Slavs? None. All European (Jewish) languages ​​are artificial. Modern German was officially created in the early twentieth century. In Europe, what happened now is happening on the southwestern edge of the Russian state: the creation of an artificial nation, and the imposition of an artificial language.
      1. awdrgy 26 December 2019 22: 00 New
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        I am not a supporter of alternative historical versions. I think this topic is still open. In contrast, I will say that molecular DNA genealogy indicates the opposite Although you can also not believe in it as in archeology, philology and other "pseudoscience" But you can believe in the statement of people who calculate which year the star caught fire and, on the basis of this, to deny everything except for some reason the statement about the star (yes, yes I’m talking about some mathematicians, the rest is "put out the light") However, there is something there that Vasiliev seems to be a candidate at the historian of sciences (I won’t lie now) He has a very interesting but unproven conclusion due to the lack of primary sources
  • Operator 26 December 2019 13: 30 New
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    The participation of Europeans in the Wehrmacht, allied or collaborative military units - these are flowers.

    Berries are the shock slave labor of all in a row the French, Belgians, Dutch, Norwegians, Finns, Balts, Czechs, Poles, Slovaks, Hungarians, Romanians, Bulgarians, etc. for the good of the Third European Reich.

    During WWII, the economies of supposedly neutral Sweden, Switzerland, Spain and Portugal also rose on trade and financial ties with the Reich.
  • Operator 26 December 2019 15: 13 New
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    Quote: Alexey RA
    France in WWII there were at least three pieces (occupied north, neutral south and Gaullists)

    If the Gaullists were the third France, then Khodorkovsky is the second Russia. laughing
    1. Alexey RA 26 December 2019 15: 30 New
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      If the Gaullists were the third France, then Khodorkovsky is the second Russia.

      Not Khodorkovsky. De Gaulle is, rather, the now-beloved "armed opposition."
      Khodorkovsky did not have a fleet, air force, or tank divisions. smile
      1. Operator 26 December 2019 15: 34 New
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        The Gaullists also did not have their own fleet, aviation or ground forces - all of their military units were part of the British and American armed forces and operated under the command of these countries.

        As well as any Polish troops there, Czechoslovak corps, etc. as part of the Red Army.
        1. Alexey RA 26 December 2019 16: 54 New
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          Quote: Operator
          The Gaullists also did not have their own fleet, aviation or ground forces - all of their military units were part of the British and American armed forces and operated under the command of these countries.

          Be part of and act under command does not mean the absence of its parts among the Gaullists. It is not a matter of losing independence - it was simply that the Allies had only two options for command: either British or American. And all the "small" participants in the war on the Western Front fought under either one or the other. Small private wars were not allowed to lead anyone. smile
          1. Octopus 26 December 2019 18: 18 New
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            Quote: Alexey RA
            Small private wars were not allowed to lead anyone.

            Lead, of course, if you want. Only on which tanks will the same Leclerc go on Gochkins? And if you want Shermanov - be so kind.

            But the French, frankly, were not particularly kind. There were wild scandals when they threw fortels, right up to the ban on the Americans. trample our sacred land Alsace and Lorraine. After this, Eisenhower's call followed regarding withdrawal from allowance, and the land question somehow settled down at the level of mutually acceptable formulations.

            By the way, not so far from the relations of the ROA with the Germans closer to the spring of the 45th.
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Not Khodorkovsky. De Gaulle is, rather, the now-beloved "armed opposition."

            Wrangel, of course.
  • NF68 26 December 2019 16: 48 New
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    Germany was provided with weapons, equipment, ammunition and products throughout Europe.


    Parts of Europe, for example, the British Empire, really did not want the USSR to lose the war, since this would further worsen the situation of the British Empire itself. The British supported the United States: the Germans in the west, the Japanese in the east did very well what the United States did not want to do, openly weaken the British Empire. But the Americans did not smile at all for Germany to take advantage of all this good, and therefore the United States first began to help the BI, and then the USSR.

    But Europe did not have all the raw materials necessary for Germany to wage war: primarily oil, tungsten, nickel, copper, tin, lead and much more. If Germany would only fight at the same time only with the BI or the USSR, then providing Germany with the necessary raw materials would be more or less tolerable, but Germany had too few resources to wage war against the countries of the anti-Hitler coalition:





    Even in 1944, when the production of German military and other equipment reached its maximum, Germany in terms of the number of production only came close to what the British Empire produced:

    1. unknown 26 December 2019 20: 21 New
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      There is a point of view that the USA and the USSR fought against Germany and Great Britain. The British Empire was weakened as a result, and subsequently fell apart. What many Britons saw as a tragedy. But, a post-imperial audit showed that the empire has always been an unprofitable enterprise.
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        Quote: ignoto
        There is a point of view that the USA and the USSR fought against Germany and Great Britain. The British Empire was weakened as a result, and subsequently fell apart. What many Britons saw as a tragedy. But, a post-imperial audit showed that the empire has always been an unprofitable enterprise.


        France and Italy may well be added to Germany and Great Britain. As a result, the most dangerous US competitors for a long time lost the opportunity to compete with the United States. A brilliant example of how you can push your rivals with your foreheads and at the same time stay away and stuff your caramens all the way.
  • Mac Simka 26 December 2019 16: 51 New
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    Bulgarians burned rebellious Serbia.

    Template he is such a patterned way of thinking. Or maybe Bulgaria just regained the part of Macedonia that was taken from it after the All-Union War and the WWII. And for the right to regain these lands, it ensured order on the territory of "rebellious Serbia." Then the truth Serbia will again wag its tail and Stalin will again bet on Bulgaria again. The story is this - you can’t hide the facts.
  • TokarevT 26 December 2019 16: 59 New
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    Everything is very interesting, detailed, on factual material.
    I wonder if there will ever be a Russian leader who begins the Russian Sanitary campaign against the West?
    And further, in order to substantiate their claims, pure arithmetic: the damage suffered, lost profits, etc. and reimburse all this with an appropriate percentage. You can not? To spare?
    Go into slavery until you work it out.
    How many people were killed, how many were not born, how many would have been in Russia if they had not invaded?
    And return it to them 10 times.
    I understand that at the initial stage this is seen as utopia.
    But, as soon as the corresponding national ideology begins to take shape, embodiment is a matter of time.
    The idea is simple: love and holt friends, mercilessly destroy enemies, let alone traitors who took advantage of your weakness to mock and rob.
    This should apply to everyone who dared to do so, being kindly treated at the expense of the Russians: Poles, Finns and other “brothers” both inside the country and abroad.
    In the current situation, the Russians still have nothing to lose but the slow death of their people, but there is something to strive for.
  • Basarev 26 December 2019 17: 48 New
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    But we all understand that the West is stronger in all resources. It can compensate for any loss without much stress, and we can only slowly melt. Isn't it better to give up completely? Better a terrible end than horror without end. It doesn’t matter how many waves there are - in the end we will still be broken. And, having taken what is intended, they will finally be left alone. Is it worth fighting in a previously lost confrontation? Is it worth putting life without any use for the cause?
    1. Octopus 26 December 2019 18: 28 New
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      Isn't it better to give up completely? Better a terrible end than horror without end.

      A terrible end - is it like in the dashing 90s? When Vladimir Putin was deputy head of the AP, then director of the FSB, Zyuganov’s -221st place in the Duma (with agrarians and People’s Power), a dollar of 6?

      And why so much tragedy?
    2. Red Bogatyr 26 December 2019 20: 54 New
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      Isn't it better to give up completely?
      RUSSIANS DO NOT GIVE UP !!!!! ;)
    3. Red Bogatyr 26 December 2019 21: 03 New
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      and we can only slowly melt.
      We see the result of a 30-year capitalist experiment ...
  • Ant137 26 December 2019 19: 13 New
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    It is clear that the fight will take place. And all slowly take their places in the ranks. In Europe, there is practically no one to regret, so full mincemeat. And then we'll see - "the dead cannot be shameless."
    1. unknown 26 December 2019 20: 28 New
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      According to astrologers, until 2025. We will see it.
  • VeteranVSSSR 26 December 2019 20: 57 New
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    Samsonov Alexander, and in what year did the “crusade '' of the West take place in Russia? I did not find anything in any directory.
    I don’t know whether it will be interesting for the author to find events in the TSB that the writer mentions. '' True, they (events) are designated as a war by Nazi Germany with the UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS !!! and not a word about Russia, at all !!!
  • Red Bogatyr 27 December 2019 00: 41 New
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    eh. now the badges for avatars are “red”, “white”, “green” from freindlifire, and avatars - “fifth column”)))
    1. dimann27 27 December 2019 19: 48 New
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      Guys, or not?
  • maden.usmanow 27 December 2019 22: 12 New
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    In fact, such a huge loss of the USSR-Russia was caused by the fact that we fought alone most of the war, and the United States and England were waiting for someone to take. They could drag out their active participation in the war as much as possible, pretending to be at war on secondary and tertiary directions and fronts.


    So how could England fight in Europe after Dunkirk? She was in hell blockade. The United States was generally located overseas and chopped with Japan.

    except formally allied to us by England


    Arctic convoys are a formality, of course.

    All that horror of the War was created by the genius Dzhugashvili, who waited for the Union to remain 1 on 1 against Germany. Dzhugashvili did nothing, the Germans calmly occupied Europe, England remained 1 on 1 with Germany, Dzhugashvili waited, waited until the last, until the German cock pecked him.
    And now they are wondering why 《all Europe нап attacked, or maybe Dzhugashvili himself gave Hitler all this Europe to take, and of course at the end, at 41, the Union remained 1 against the German machine.
    And Dzhugashvili did not have to wait and build a Chinese monkey out of himself on the mountain.
    1. Alexey RA 28 December 2019 10: 08 New
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      Quote: maden.usmanow
      All that horror of the War was created by the genius Dzhugashvili, who waited for the Union to remain 1 on 1 against Germany. Dzhugashvili did nothing, the Germans calmly occupied Europe, England remained 1 on 1 with Germany, Dzhugashvili waited, waited until the last, until the German cock pecked him.

      That is, it was Dzhugashvili who sent a delegation to negotiations on an alliance against Hitler, one part of which did not have the right to sign anything, and the other had no authority at all? At the same time providing the negotiators with instructions:
      ... the government does not want to be drawn into any specific obligation that could tie our hands in any circumstances. Therefore, with regard to a military agreement, one should strive to limit oneself to as general a language as possible.

      And really Dzhugashvili brought to the attention of the Reich Foreign Ministry that:
      negotiations with other countries are only a reserve means for genuine reconciliation with Germany, and that these ties will disappear as soon as the only important and worthy goal is really achieved — an agreement with Germany

      If you are talking about the possibility of an attack on Germany in 1939-1940, then you have to disappoint you - there was nothing for the Union to do. In the summer of 1939, for example, the USSR lost its entire mobile reserve - the reform of the reserve units of the Red Army began with the transition from the "triplets" to the cropped divisions. Moreover, the provision of reform with equipment and weapons turned out to be extended until the end of 1940 - as industry proceeds.
      And what happened in the summer of 1940 is best described by the "Act of the transfer of the People’s Commissariat of Defense." Or the Conference on the results of the Soviet-Finnish War (April 1940).
      Today, in the Kiev Military District, there are 14 tanks in four tank brigades. The war sold them apart, tank brigades scattered. I must bluntly say that if mobilization is going on, our KOVO brigades are not ready. The tanks of these brigades are now returning from the Leningrad Military District.
      © Pavlov
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    Samsonov does not seem to read anyone except himself on the resource. Otherwise, how to explain that material about women in the Wehrmacht and the Waffen-SS passed by him? After that, reading the axial opus makes no sense. Of course, there was a hike, and all of Europe to visit us. But what's the point of sucking this question up for the twentieth or even thirtieth time? What new can Samsonov say if he doesn’t even know about millions of women in the ranks of the Nazi army? Just for the sake of another rehash of the already well-known?
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    The Baltic states are now heroizing their Nazi criminals ... Europe, as always, silently agrees with this ... I think this is the first sign of preparations for the new Drang Nah Osten to the east.
    The first blow, of course, will be dealt to Kaliningrad ... from the inside, I suppose ... with the help of slime and renegade from the fifth column ... then everything will happen according to the pattern of color revolutions.

    Why fight? Emphasis will be placed on the collapse of the country from the inside. It has happened with the USSR, it can also happen with Russia, as they say in NATO headquarters, in the offices of the pro-NATO states and in the White House. Therefore, in my opinion, we must stop the life of rabbits, who admire large quantities of tasty carrots and cabbage, and who don’t notice how foxes steal chickens and an open chicken coop, and begin to respond to those who seek to pervert the history of the Great Patriotic War, to present the whole history of Russia in a series wars of conquest, and its people - scattered, having nothing in common with each other, nationalities, united at different times by the "iron hand" of dictators and bloodsuckers. Hence the attacks on Orthodoxy and traditional Islam. No less dangerous are those who are used to deceiving the people and are doing it professionally today, hiding the “right phrases” hating everything that is connected with Russia, urging people to take up the construction of some kind of “new” or “renewed” socialism (well that at least the "human face" is not used).
    Otherwise, poisonous grains will eventually give no less poisonous seedlings.
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    our

    ))
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    European fun:

    As Stalin would say: We have no other Europe / West. Unfortunately.