Some details of the crash of the Su-57 appeared in the Komsomolsk-on-Amur region

Some details of the fall of the fifth generation fighter T-50 (Su-57) appear in the Khabarovsk Territory. Recall that we are talking about a combat aircraft, which they were going to transfer to the troops before the end of the year. During the test flight, the pilot catapulted, there are no threats to his life. He had already left the clinic, to which he had been delivered the day before after being discovered by the search and rescue squad.

Today, the TASS news agency, citing its own sources in the aircraft industry, reports that problems arose during the test flight phase at an altitude of 8 km. The fighter spontaneously entered the "steep downward spiral." The material indicates that the pilot’s attempts to stabilize the Su-57 were unsuccessful.

From the report:

The plane began a rapid decline, and then a fall.

According to these reports, the pilot's bailout occurred at an altitude of about 2 km. At the same time, the pilot, until the last moment, tried to transfer the car to the usual version of the flight by switching to manual control.

Such problems with piloting could arise due to the failure of tail control.

All these statements are preliminary data on the events near Komsomolsk-on-Amur. The Ministry of Defense has not yet published official data on the reasons for the fall of the Su-57.

Comments

[Vladimir_2U]

As an option, the EDSU refused. ((
I tried to transfer the car to the usual version of the flight by switching to manual control. And what is direct control so far? !!

[Telakh]

Maybe his elevator trimmer "went for a walk." So much for a roll and a dive, but not a spin. And wherever you pull the handle, the moment will not disappear, because the trimmer will not change position. And if he didn't manually correct it, that's all.

[loki565]

Maybe his elevator trimmer "went for a walk"

Is he there?

[Lozovik]

Quote: DMB-2020

That is, you are hinting that the fifth generation fighter still has a handlebar trimmer elevator?

There are mechanisms of the trim effect, they serve to relieve efforts from a rejected control knob or pedals.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

As an option, the EMDS refused

I always thought that mechanics (traction and cables) are more reliable.

[Herman 4223]

I watched an American broadcast about air battles, where I don’t remember the truth, it seems something about Israel. Well, there, in between, an American pilot appeared who was lucky enough to fly on captured troop-17. Everything is just there on the mechanics (ropes, thrusts). As he said up to 800 km the plane is being controlled, but at higher speed he was unable to shift the control knob, so great were the efforts.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Herman 4223

but at greater speed he was unable to shift the control knob so great were the efforts.

Then there was no power steering.

[75 Sergey]

There were boosters, but they were wary

[Lozovik]

Quote: Piramidon

Then there was no power steering.

On the MiG-17, consumers of hydraulic energy are ailerons, elevators, flaps, brake flaps, and a chassis cleaning and exhaust system.

[faridg7]

Quote: Piramidon

I always thought that mechanics (traction and cables) are more reliable.

Well, I have no idea how you can save the traction and control cables in a car that was originally built according to an unstable aerodynamic scheme. If I understand correctly, then on this machine the aerodynamic center is significantly moved forward relative to the center of gravity. If, at the same time, a rigid connection of the control planes with the RSS is implemented, then the pilot will constantly receive blows on the hand (after all, the system constantly "catches", "corrects" all jumps)

[jaroff]

There is no EMF on the T50. There is KSU-50. Terms must be handled carefully.

[Vladimir_2U]

And what is wrong? Remote control system as part of an integrated control system.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

As an option, the EDSU refused.

For reference: on the Su-57 installed 4-fold duplication of control systems.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

And what is direct control so far

presumably, the hydraulic actuators still remained ...
(And the cable rods, like on Po-2, were removed: they spoiled the design of the machine )
Earlier, our colleague wrote that he refused KSU-50, a vertical channel.
But the exact picture will be after the decryption of the recorders.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: BoA KAA

Quote: Vladimir_2U

As an option, the EDSU refused.

For reference: on the Su-57 installed 4-fold duplication of control systems.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

And what is direct control so far

presumably, the hydraulic actuators still remained ...
(And the cable rods, like on Po-2, were removed: they spoiled the design of the machine )
Earlier, our colleague wrote that he refused KSU-50, a vertical channel.
But the exact picture will be after the decryption of the recorders.

The exact picture, in my opinion, is already clear.

A promising fifth-generation Su-57 fighter crashed in the Khabarovsk Territory tested the engine at maximum speeds, former commander of the 4th Air Force and Air Defense Army, Lieutenant General Valery Gorbenko, told RIA Novosti.

“At the stage of flight tests of the engine, it is driven at maximum conditions and angles of attack. It checks how electronics, air intakes and other systems work. All production aircraft are tested by factory test pilots who are serious professionals before being transferred to the troops, ”the general said.

According to TASS, which refers to two sources in the military-industrial complex, the accident occurred due to a malfunction in the control system, in particular, tail assembly.

The crashed plane was the first production Su-57. This car before the end of the year should have delivered the Russian Aerospace Forces.

https://m.lenta.ru/news/2019/12/24/al41f1/

[NEXUS]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

But the exact picture will be after the decryption of the recorders.

Sasha
The machine is not serial apparently. Not a combat pilot was sitting in the cockpit, but a test pilot, who drove the car in transcendental modes. It is their job to go beyond the bounds of the permissible, so that it is clear that the car will forgive, that it will withstand, and for which it will punish. Apparently the tester loaded the car a lot, she could not stand it.
Although there is an opinion that there might be a software failure.

[Herman 4223]

Not only experienced, all production cars are tested before delivery to the consumer. Even excavators drive around the plant before sending it for sale. And here is a complicated car.

[Herman 4223]

And it is the tester, and not the combat pilot, who tests the car by itself.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: NEXUS

There is an opinion that there could be a software failure.

Andrew, hello!
Most likely, software or electronics has come to grips with it ... This is the weakest point "in our element base".

[shahor]

Quote: NEXUS

Although there is an opinion that there could be

Most likely, this was a software failure. In a test flight, the pilot could bring the aircraft to a mode not described by PO - a childhood illness, which, unfortunately, may occur more than once. You will have to check many thousands of lines of the program year. As recently announced in an interview with the deputy director of SAAB for science, a modern fighter consists of at least 75% software. If this mode can be caught with the help of recorders, then the tests can not be stopped, simply prohibiting access to this mode until the program is rewritten.

[Invoce]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

And what is direct control so far? !!

Direct, not KSU no. In addition, to achieve certain advantages in dynamics, these aircraft are designed as dynamically unstable In case of failure of the control system, it’s probably not easy to pilot it in the usual mode, but to withdraw from the corkscrew ....

[tomket]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

And what is direct control so far? !!

In my opinion, the reserve is maintained, although I personally do not see much sense, because the plane is too unstable in flight.

[bessmertniy]

Pilot - full respect for fighting for the plane!

[Same lech]

Yes, how can I imagine how it spun in a spiral ... the overloads are strongest there ... well, the ejection system worked normally.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

well the bailout system worked normally.

Yes, it’s also not enough good when you are shot out of the cockpit like a cannon. Therefore, they are fighting for the car, including because of bailout. When the pilot was brought for examination, he complained of pain in the ankle joint. When they did not find the x-ray fracture. stretching. It's not scary, it’ll recover. The main thing is lively and provides valuable information. As you remember, they planned to transfer the first Su-57 to the Russian Aerospace Forces before the end of the year. Now at the plant are representatives of the Ministry of Defense who, apparently, were just about to accept the fallen fighter. The consequences of the disaster are difficult to predict, but, apparently, the UAC, which owns the plant, will have to make an additional copy of the Su-57 at its own expense, since The contract with the Moscow Region has already been concluded and it indicates the number of fighters to be delivered. In this case, a catastrophe can definitely be called a disaster. The plant, and therefore the whole city, was counting on this order and any problems with it would directly affect both the factory workers and the residents of the city as a whole. And the upcoming holiday, unfortunately, will no longer be as fun as it could be ... http: //www.komcity.ru/news/? Id = 36083

[Same lech]

And the upcoming holiday, unfortunately, will no longer be as fun as it could be.

I sympathize with them ... but since they embarked on this most important state matter ... we need to grit our teeth and bring it to its logical end ... there is no other way.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

I feel sorry for them ...

And you yourself, why aren’t you upset?

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Mar. Tira

... but, apparently, the UAC, which owns the plant, will have to make an additional copy of the Su-57 at its own expense, since the contract with the Moscow Region has already been concluded and it indicates the number of fighters to be delivered. In this case, the disaster can definitely be called a disaster ....

The fact that the trouble is for sure. I wonder if two Su 2020s will be delivered by the end of 57? After all, now, as I understand it, the plant is operating under the first contract "On August 22, 2018, a contract was signed for the supply of the first two Su-57s with a validity period for 2018-2020." And given that it took so long to make a serial aircraft, the production process is not going fast ...

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Aleksandr21

Will they manage to pass two Su 2020s by the end of 57?

If there is an emergency, then maybe they will succeed. The main achievements are already there, shortcomings have been identified (yes, apparently not everything, due to the accident, the commission will figure it out). It is important that the emergency does not affect the quality of the products. It’s an unfortunate start. It’s not for nothing that superstition if there were no accidents during the tests, then they may already be in the troops. But of course they must be avoided.

[EvilLion]

Well, the first cars were clearly assembled in the experimental workshop, in the near future they should, in theory, organize the assembly line.

[Professor]

Quote: Mar. Tira

In this case, a catastrophe can definitely be called a disaster.

Not a "catastrophe" but an "accident". There are no casualties.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: professor

Not a "catastrophe" but an "accident". There are no casualties.

In the first comment, I quoted words from the news of the Far Eastern media. The link below. In the second comment, my personal words about the accident. Olezhek, are you always looking for someone to prick from your personal troubles ?????

[Professor]

Quote: Mar. Tira

Quote: professor

Not a "catastrophe" but an "accident". There are no casualties.

In the first comment, I quoted words from the news of the Far Eastern media. The link below. In the second comment, my personal words about the accident. Olezhek, are you always looking for someone to prick from your personal troubles ?????

No. I always demand accuracy. By the way, a comment is highlighted as a quote, either in oblique font or in quotation marks.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: professor

Not a "catastrophe" but an "accident". No victims

"What are you, nafig, tanker" (c)
This is not an accident, but a CATASTROPHE - the complete destruction (loss) of the aircraft. Read the primers ... there are many interesting "bukovits" from which words are composed that carry information ...
PS. Why did he suddenly change his epaulette? When did you manage to get wet?

[Professor]

Quote: BoA KAA

Quote: professor

Not a "catastrophe" but an "accident". No victims

"What are you, nafig, tanker" (c)
This is not an accident, but a CATASTROPHE - the complete destruction (loss) of the aircraft. Read the primers ... there are many interesting "bukovits" from which words are composed that carry information ...
PS. Why did he suddenly change his epaulette? When did you manage to get wet?

And yet the "accident". "Catastrophe" implies human sacrifice. So "the accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant" is the "Catastrophe". As well as the disaster on Kuza.

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

PS. Why did he suddenly change his epaulette? When did you manage to get wet?

In the 1990s he managed while serving at the Red Banner Black Sea Fleet. True, I didn’t reach cap2.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: professor

Like the disaster at Kuz.

With Tarkr Kuznetsov, you did not guess if about the last fire. There Occurrence with human casualties. The ship itself is afloat, subject to recovery ...
But when an aircraft crashes on the ground, it is a disaster: nothing can be restored, even if there are no casualties (military pilots have means of escape when leaving the aircraft - the parachute is called). Some "scribblers" have come to the point that if a person is killed on board the aircraft, it is a disaster! Although the aircraft has landed and after repairs can continue to fly ...

[Professor]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

With Tarkr Kuznetsov, you did not guess if about the last fire. There is an accident with human casualties. The ship itself is afloat, subject to recovery ...

Afloat or not afloat does not change anything. An accident with human casualties is a disaster.

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

But an aircraft when it crashes to the ground is a disaster: nothing can be restored, even if there are no casualties (military pilots have rescue equipment when leaving an aircraft - a parachute is called).

An accident without victims is not a disaster, but an accident. So at least it is accepted in aviation.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

This is not an accident, namely the CATASTROPHE - the complete destruction (loss) of the aircraft.

Hmm ... it used to be like this: there are casualties during flight operation - a disaster, there are no victims, but there is complete destruction - an accident. Everything else - incidents and emergency.

Aviation accidents are divided into catastrophes and accidents depending on their consequences.

accident - an event related to the flight operation of an aircraft that caused the death (bodily injury or death) of any person on board the aircraft and (or) loss of the aircraft.
accident - an accident without loss of life;

accident - an accident without loss of life;

accident - an accident that resulted in the death of at least one person within thirty days of the accident.

Something has changed?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Alexey RA

Something has changed?

In Industrial Safety, the definition of a catastrophe of a technical device is somewhat different: complete destruction, loss of those. devices.

Air crash (Eng. Air crash, Air accident) - a sharp transformation of an aircraft during a flight into a pile of metal, usually from an impact on the ground.

[EvilLion]

Actually, this is a flight accident, a catastrophe with only victims.

[Cetron]

What is the difference between disaster and disaster?
The goat walked along the bridge, fell into the water, drowned - trouble, but not catastrophe.
The minister rode on the bridge, fell into the water, drowned - a disaster, but it does not matter!
And the plane, maybe some kid didn’t put the cotter pin or bent it, so the thrust jumped off.

[Looking for]

and they don’t keep the guys at the assembly. Even at the nodal.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Mar. Tira

there are representatives of the Ministry of Defense who, apparently, were just about to accept the fallen fighter

What to accept? The fighter was factory and was used as a flying stand for testing and running new systems. Or have the information already been changed?

[Mestny]

Well, of course they did. Who cares what the factory. It is necessary to write that this is serial, and even better, that it was already flying to the customer, but it did not fly.
And on this basis to raise a monstrous howl. As if the aircraft carrier sank with 1000 crew members together.
The owl has burst for a long time, but we must continue to pull it on the globe.
Here in VO is the second topic about him. Trolls howl in chorus, tear their hair on their stunted chest about what a terrible disaster it is, what a blow to power, and other traditional nonsense.
The heat of the information war is growing. Soon they will howl at each fallen fence.

[Nkv3]

No, what are you.
This is not a blow at all.
This accident, on the contrary, will only emphasize the merits of the Su-57.
Now Erdogan will not even think about buying. Together with Algeria and everyone else who wants to buy the product.
The plane, by the way, was the first BATTLE unit transferred to the troops. We don’t need to fool our heads here with flying laboratories, some tests, etc.

[EvilLion]

The fact of the matter is that they did not transfer it, it was the insured goods that they had to transfer. Bottom line, the plant will have to do extra. a car to fulfill the contract, albeit with a deadline, or the MoD will somehow rub it amicably, in the end there are thousands of factories, something happens regularly somewhere, the insurance company got into money. Well, they will give Lyuli a booby that did not twist something and another booby that did not check, as it should.

[Alien From]

Do you think that the loss of the latest expensive aircraft is not a problem ??

[EvilLion]

Against the background of the contract for the new IL-76, this is a nuisance.

[KrokodilGena]

If the cause of the accident is structural errors, the correction of which entails the replacement of many systems, or parts of the aircraft, which in turn will make the project more expensive and delay the time additionally? This native army can be drawn in unprepared for the safe operation of the aircraft, but there are no potential importers. Given the relatively small attack of all T-50s and Su-57s, this is a bad thing, let's say it anyway.

[Avior]

Interfax wrote that it’s serial, so the initiative doesn’t come from VO

[Looking for]

its production can not be called even small-scale. so-unit-experienced. BUT !!! So far. I hope

[Cananecat]

Until the product has passed the final tests and is not transferred to the customer according to the relevant documents, the product is the property of the manufacturer. No need to come up with a stand.

[Oden280]

It was not a serial aircraft that crashed, but a T-50 flying laboratory, on which a new engine was driven in. So that the series did not suffer. Of course, you need to deal with EMDS

[jaroff]

A flying laboratory for testing product 30 safely stands in a hangar in Zhukovsky.

[AlexG83]

Quote: Mar. Tira

Quote: The same LYOKHA

well the bailout system worked normally.

Yes, it’s also not enough good when you are shot out of the cockpit like a cannon. Therefore, they are fighting for the car, including because of bailout. When the pilot was brought for examination, he complained of pain in the ankle joint. When they did not find the x-ray fracture. stretching. It's not scary, it’ll recover. The main thing is lively and provides valuable information. As you remember, they planned to transfer the first Su-57 to the Russian Aerospace Forces before the end of the year. Now at the plant are representatives of the Ministry of Defense who, apparently, were just about to accept the fallen fighter. The consequences of the disaster are difficult to predict, but, apparently, the UAC, which owns the plant, will have to make an additional copy of the Su-57 at its own expense, since The contract with the Moscow Region has already been concluded and it indicates the number of fighters to be delivered. In this case, a catastrophe can definitely be called a disaster. The plant, and therefore the whole city, was counting on this order and any problems with it would directly affect both the factory workers and the residents of the city as a whole. And the upcoming holiday, unfortunately, will no longer be as fun as it could be ... http: //www.komcity.ru/news/? Id = 36083

They said that this is a copy in which one of the engines is installed in the second stage (i.e. a test laboratory), and now it turns out that this is a serial one preparing for transfer to the military? It’s not clear where is the truth?

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: AlexG83

They said that this is a copy in which one of the engines is installed in the second stage (i.e. a test laboratory), and now it turns out that this is a serial one preparing for transfer to the military? It’s not clear where is the truth?

Judging by the silence of the military and the plant’s press service, the T-50S-1 serial plane, serial number 51001, and hull number 01 fell blue. Otherwise, there would have been a refutation for a long time, all the same, a blow to prestige after all and the delivery of the aircraft had been planned the other day, but now silence ... apart from information about the crash of the Su-57.

[Nkv3]

When was the last time you were told the truth?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

On the other hand, it is better to identify some kind of aircraft problem during testing and then fix it, than to make dozens of problem aircraft.

F-22 also often stood up for fun after another accident.

But the plant will not lose order, a new fighter will go to our army, the plant will have money, people will have work.

[Looking for]

dear you my.you understand the difference between serial and prototypes ?.

[Herman 4223]

This machine is more than two lards forever wooden, the plant’s wallet will hit painfully.

[garrett]

Apparently, the UAC, which owns the plant, will have to produce at its own expense an additional copy of the Su-57

Sorry for the naive question, but shouldn't such expensive toys be insured ??? and without fail?

[kupitman]

I think he was insured, so that financial well-being is unlikely to affect

[tomket]

Quote: Garrett

Sorry for the naive question, but shouldn't such expensive toys be insured ??? and without fail?

And how do you harm yourself, I would like to know? Comes to the insurance company Shoigu and director of the aircraft factory. We need to insure the plane! Fine! Our insurance agent will go to the factory in order to take photos and enter into the company database! But the plane is secret! Well, what if you scratch it, and then imagine the damage?

[garrett]

And how do you harm yourself, I would like to know?

I imagine this to me the same way as with insurance of any equipment, as the Moscow Region does with its property and the Roskosmos with its own

[EvilLion]

In the prescribed manner, and you will not believe it, but the grandmother’s factory in ordinary banks takes it for specific purposes.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Mar. Tira

Therefore, they are fighting for the car, including because of the bailout.

The ejection procedure is certainly not a pleasant one ... But the test pilot fought for the life of the machine, not because of this, but because our pilots were brought up in this way - "to the last impossibility," as my father used to say. It is the "impossibility" (!), Since when the "possibilities" run out, our flyers still do not touch all the "impossibilities" to save the car. (and what the hell is not joking when the Lord sleeps!).
And our pilots are brought up on the examples of V.P. Chkalov, Kokinaki, other people-legends ... "The courage of fathers - inherited by sons" - such lessons of courage were held in our schools ... And now "ema-culture" is being analyzed ...
Oh yeah!

[EvilLion]

Chkalov is a so-so role model, he died due to his own show-offs.

[Ka-52]

Mar. Thira (Oleg) Today, 07: 02
.... The plant, and therefore the whole city, was counting on this order and any problems with it would most directly affect both the factory workers and the residents of the city as a whole. And the upcoming holiday, unfortunately, will no longer be as fun as it could

please do not duplicate other people's nonsense. What does the factory workers and even more so the city? Or now you will begin to tell us fables that due to the crashed plane, they will stop paying salaries to employees of the corporation, deductions to social funds will cease, they will stop supporting infrastructure and the city will die out. Disasters at various stages of the introduction of new technology are unfortunately not a rare, if not ordinary event. Resonance to the fall of the Su-57 was given precisely by its promoted status. In 2009 in Dzemga board No. 904, prototype 35C, burned for a run. Komsomolsk did not depopulate it, people both received sn and received.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Ka-52

please do not duplicate other people's nonsense.

Andrei, perhaps, I won’t. But .....! The consequences are still not catastrophic, but they will. Yes, and who is pleased to receive such a gift from the factory workers for the New Year, no matter how it is a town-planning factory? The assembly time for new cars is delayed until the reasons accidents, further constructive changes to eliminate these causes also take time, like new tests, then the delivery dates for finished products for the Moscow Region have not been canceled. For the failure of deliveries, no one will chip the plant in our time, the time is not right So the factory you have to do all this with your own Lamy.

[Ka-52]

For the disruption of supplies, no one will chase the plant in our time, the time is not right So the plant will have to do all this on its own.

Perkash with his deputies will not receive a bonus (and that is not a fact). That's all

new tests, further delivery dates of finished products for the Moscow Region, no one canceled

You do not correctly understand the dependencies. Production terms depend not so much on the capabilities of the assembly shop, but primarily on financing. Assembly stage performance exceeds order volumes and production schedule.
Minus not mine

[Ax Matt]

Tell me, and not considered as an option, a third-party control interception, a deliberate software failure? Everything painfully coincided ... Yesterday Shoigu sat at the meeting darker than the clouds (which is understandable).

[EvilLion]

You kins about hatsers look less. Interception, damn it. There are physically no interfaces for dist. no control.

[Ax Matt]

And you go advise your wife how to cook cabbage soup. I asked a perfectly normal question. And not for you, Savetschag, damn it. You can’t communicate normally - go hit the corner, politeness may turn on.

[arkadiyssk]

Why can’t you imagine? There is a video with this pilot, where he also got a SU-30 breakdown during the test and how it ended up spinning and how it ejected.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0MO4PEPyH8&feature=emb_logo

[Ryaruav]

not really someone else does not know that this flight figure is called a corkscrew

[Same lech]

A corkscrew is different ... what kind of corkscrew do you mean?
Direct, reverse, flat?

[Errr]

It’s a corkscrew. Yes, just:

During flight tests of experimental aircraft whose corkscrew characteristics are still unknown, anti-cork parachutes or rockets are used to ensure a reliable exit from the already developed (stable) corkscrew. *

Neither one nor the other on the fallen Su, as I understand it, was not.
* Quotation from Wikipedia:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Штопор_(пилотаж)#Выход_из_штопора

[dzvero]

So about experimental cars. And if there was a failure of the EDSU, then the parachute is not an assistant.

[Errr]

Due to the use of anti-propeller parachutes (missiles), there is a chance in the "manual" mode (when switching to an analog computer) to transfer the aircraft to level flight, which will give time to reboot the EDSU computers and restore the aircraft controllability. If you wish, read a good article about the work of EDSU at the link:
http://www.bizavnews.ru/230/10229

[NN52]

There was no spin there ... The stabilizers "got into extreme opposite positions" during the overclocking flight. I got a constant rotation, reminiscent of itself (not a "barrel" aerobatics figure), but something like a "tub", with a constant descent (probably with large alternating overloads). A strange refusal ... I don't remember that ...
Already below 2000m "left" from the "cabinet". The pilot fought for the plane to the "last".
I hope specialists will deal with this refusal.
"According to rumors" something like this .. can someone more precisely complement the information.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: NN52

"According to rumors" something like this .. can someone more precisely complement the information.

The same is rumored by a local newspaper. According to one of our sources, during a test flight, when the aircraft was “driven” at maximum speeds, an integrated control system failed. According to some sources, the plane entered an uncontrollable “barrel”, according to others - into a flat corkscrew. At this moment, he was at an altitude of 10 kilometers. The pilot fought for the survivability of the combat vehicle to a height of two kilometers, but in the end he had to eject. He landed successfully, he was found and picked up by helicopter less than an hour after the disaster. At the time of the landing, the temperature was about 30 degrees below zero.
As it became known to the editorial office, for the test pilot who was sitting at the helm, this is not the first bailout from an out-of-control combat vehicle. In 2012, he was part of the crew of the Su-30 that fell near Komsomolsk-on-Amur, and the circumstances of these two incidents, by a strange coincidence, are very similar. The Su-30 crashed on February 28, 2012, 130 kilometers north of Komsomolsk-on-Amur. When performing acceleration to maximum instrument speed, the backlight came off when refueling in the air. Once in the air intake, this part caused a fire of the right engine. Both pilots successfully ejected. So congratulations to the pilot on his third birthday! Http: //www.komcity.ru/forum/news/? Id = 70659

[Mountain shooter]

I hope they will sort it out quickly. Looks like an assembly defect. Software failure is unlikely.

[Vladimir_2U]

EDSU wiring on the Su-27 was already tripled, it is unlikely that the situation is worse, so the "software" is quite likely.

[vadimtt]

But is there all the wiring? Maybe the "ridge" is tripled (and it is generally on optics), but what about the electrovalves (any "copper") of the hydraulics and the controllers that control them? It is impossible to duplicate everything, the weight will not allow. It is quite possible that something trivial, like the loss of contact directly at the actuator. There is complex and branched wiring, there are many places for potential jambs during assembly, despite the special. procedures.

[Vladimir_2U]

It is clear that everything is not something that is triplet, it is impossible to duplicate, but right away the "software" is excluded as something "apolitical, right"?)))

[vadimtt]

As an old system programmer, I’ll say that if the software worked before, then why would it break down now, even if it has bugs (and they are necessary, and they get out mostly when the equipment is working in edge or emergency modes, which is what case did not seem to be)? Now, if you made any changes, then yes, anything is possible.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: vadimtt

works in edge or emergency modes

As if on a test plane, such abnormal modes are just regular. )

[vadimtt]

What exactly was done before the accident, no one will tell us, and by what is known - horizontal full-time flight, nothing critical.
Sorry for the bird

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: vadimtt

Sorry for the bird

Not that word!

[EvilLion]

What about actuators?

[Mavrikiy]

spontaneously entered the "steep downward spiral." The material indicates that the pilot’s attempts to stabilize the Su-57 were unsuccessful.

Bookmarks? You need to create your own electronics.

[K-612-O]

It has its own place, including because of this the process of testing and adoption was delayed.

[Fraracol_2]

Speak bookmarks? But the reptilians from the planet Nibiru did not interfere?

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Fraancol_2

Speak bookmarks? But the reptilians from the planet Nibiru did not interfere?

Cockroaches with NIBIRU, this is in your head. And the death of the SSJ 100 on Salak is a reality.

[DED_peer_DED]

That the witch from the next block did not "put her eye" on the glider and the plane.

[Vita vko]

They promised the minister to transfer the first serial before the new year. This is the result of the rush. It is a pity that it will not be possible to punish the projectors, again they will make the last one some kind of equipment which, because of this projector, worked for 12 hours a day.

[spectr]

Naturally, if possible, they will write off the build quality and this mythical technique. If there is an error in the design of the product or its component, this can lead to a shift in timing and financial problems in the production, as The Ministry of Defense will require the elimination of the deficiency and additional tests.

[Ross xnumx]

This message covers the mouth of various throats. In practice, the preliminary assumptions coincided with the preliminary investigation.
I agree with the author:

Quote: Mavrikiy

Bookmarks? You need to create your own electronics.

As practice has shown, a guarantee close to 100% can only be given by one (in extreme cases, it will not fail in the most unforeseen situations) ... Although, the military representation at enterprises in the USSR gave positive results.

[alexmach]

As practice has shown, a guarantee close to 100% can only be given by one (in extreme cases, it will not fail in the most unforeseen situations).

Nonsense. The word "own" alone does not affect reliability in any way, like other spells. To ensure reliability, special technical measures must be applied.

[thinker]

An investigation will show what and how ...

flight recorder and flight recorder - found at the crash site ... black boxes are in satisfactory condition.

[LMN]

And in the photo to the article, it seems, that the car that flies with two different engines (the first and second stages) or is the light so falling?

[Avior]

Photos for articles are usually taken randomly, purely for the picture

[LMN]

Quote: Avior

Photos for articles are usually taken randomly, purely for the picture

Generally yes.

I just literally on the day of the fall, I met the opinion that it was the factory machine that was used for internal tests, including engines of the second stage (T-50 -?), and not the Su-57 which they were going to transfer to the VKS.

We'll have to wait for the official statement. Although I think this is still classified information and they are unlikely to tell the truth.

[Avior]

On the first day they wrote about the T-50 and nothing concrete about what kind of aircraft, about what internal tests are to think of
But a bit later, the media specified what plane fell
In the fact of the secret can only be the fact of failure of a serial copy

[LMN]

I still prefer to wait for the official information.

[Vadmir]

In my opinion, the time factor must also be taken into account. The plane had to be delivered before the end of the year. Hence, inevitable in such cases, rush, rush and, as a consequence, a drop in quality.
We can’t get rid of Soviet traditions in any way to hand over the equipment to the Christmas tree, by November 7, by the next party congress, or, corny by the end of the month. Even jokes went about the products made by the end of the month, year or quarter.
Anecdotes, but anecdotes, but now we can trace the following similar harmful traditions. Only the dates are different.

[mark1]

Quote: Vadmir

Hence, inevitable in such cases, rush, rush and as a result a drop in quality.

The plane was "sculpted" for over a year - what a rush here. Almost the same hands were "sculpted". who had made 10 flying copies before. The plane, if you believe that it was a serial copy, went through a standard factory run-in before delivery, it was not supposed to have any non-standard modes. So there is a high degree of probability - the hands of the enemy.

[vic02]

What kind of enemy hands are there? The reasons are the same for which rockets fall and satellites for years cannot assemble and launch, and already launched ones become space debris. Loss of production, reduced production quality. All the result of the policies of the president and the government. Won already flight research institute in Zhukovsky gathered to liquidate. The next step is TsAGI.

[mark1]

Quote: vic02

The reasons are the same for which rockets fall and satellites for years cannot assemble and launch, and already launched ones become space debris.

No need to poke a finger at the sky. The plant in Komsomolsk is by no means a neglected production and with competent personnel with a good salary, and the T-50 is already a fairly well-developed design not overloaded with production plans and deadlines
P.S. And why did you decide. that the Proton catastrophe is not sabotage?

[vic02]

You are probably a supporter of conspiracy theory. And you probably are not aware that modern aircraft are complex systems and far from all of their elements are produced in one place. If the plane was assembled by qualified specialists, this does not mean that contractors have not pulled off somewhere.

[mark1]

I am not a supporter of conspiracy theory; I am a supporter of common sense theory. And I also know what the input control in military production is.

[vic02]

I also know what VP is. Only miracles do not happen. Experienced, qualified specialists from the air do not appear, including receivers. And with a general decline in production culture, no acceptance will save.

[mark1]

Yes, you seem more like a loud scream specialist. But on KnAAZ with specialists everything is in order.

[Artemiy_2]

And why in the US planes are falling. The result of the president’s policy?

[vic02]

And why in the US planes are falling. The result of the president’s policy?

Is this an excuse or are you living in the USA? Will we all write off to the USA? Personally, as a Russian citizen, US problems do not bother me. In addition, they are doing well with the economy; planes of all types are leaving the assembly line in hundreds. It was the same in the Union, by the way. And we have 100 pieces is considered a great achievement.

[DED_peer_DED]

And why in the US planes are falling.

The USA is not an example to us.

[AU Ivanov.]

The USA is the largest aircraft manufacturer in the world. So, the USA is an example.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The reasons are the same for which rockets fall and satellites for years cannot assemble and launch, and already launched ones become space debris. Loss of production, reduced production quality. All the result of the policies of the president and the government.

What nonsense are you talking about ?!

In the United States, 5 F-22s crashed and several F-35s already, for 10 years in the USA they have not been able to send a man into space, the other day a new US cargo ship did not reach the ISS, 2 Boeing 2 MAXs spontaneously left for the last 737 years corkscrew and killed more than 300 people, now 400 of these assembled aircraft stand and rot at the factory - Trump, Obama, Bush are to blame for this ?!

Enough to write off your failures and mistakes to power in the country !!!

[vic02]

What nonsense are you talking about ?!

You are talking nonsense. The elimination of Khrunichev in Moscow, the falling missiles and satellites, as well as the fall of this Su-57, have nothing to do with my "failures and mistakes". But the country's leadership is directly related to the liquidation of enterprises in strategic industries and the leakage of scientists and qualified engineers abroad. And don't worry about the United States, they have hundreds of planes coming off the assembly line. And we have one (ONE!) Serial fifth generation fighter was supposed to be an event.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

We have one Su-57 fighter not an event, but just the first of a series of 76 pieces.

Once again, for the "gifted" planes, missiles both in the US and in the EU, but there are no alarmists like you, no one blames Trump or Macron for this.

It’s you who are trying to blame your failures on others, they say it’s not your fault that you didn’t achieve something, but it’s just that everything in Russia is wrong, the scientists all left, some fools remained, therefore you live in need.

It’s not so, if it weren’t for the current government in Russia, you wouldn’t have seen new 4th-generation aircraft, but you hadn’t dreamed about new ships.

A lot of what entered the troops in the 90s ?! And then we were selling resources, but we still had to, although the average salary in the country was 1000 rubles with a dollar of 24, and then $ 20 taking into account inflation, like today 40 and that’s how much the budget spends, and the rest goes into reserves.

And the difference is that now we are under Putin, we paid the debts, and do not collect, the reserves grew to 540 billion dollars, and before it was 16-18 and new equipment, including planes and tanks, hundreds and thousands go to the troops pieces !!!

[Looking for]

Yes, yes, yes, we, yes ....

[vic02]

You, I take a look, are a great expert on chatter.

You are exactly your failures and trying to blame on others

Don’t worry, I’m just fine.

We have one Su-57 fighter not an event, but just the first of a series of 76 pieces

Is it because the president promised? We read on June 8, 10:15 am https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6528155. But in fact it turned out like this (16:23 27.06.2019/2019/57): "The Russian Ministry of Defense signed, within the framework of the Army-57 forum, state contracts for the supply of fifth-generation Su-28 fighters ... How many Su-20190627 and Mi-1555978861NM were ordered, not specified. " https://ria.ru/19/12.html. The leaders of the Russian Federation say a lot of things that are not carried out later. Until 76, there was only enough money for 160 pieces. And now, with a reduction in defense spending, will it be 170? How is this? The answer is right there: "The cost of the contract, estimated at 57-661337 billion rubles, is declining not only because of decisions to change the internal layout of the Su-XNUMX" https://www.interfax.ru/russia/XNUMX including due to "changes in the internal layout". We get that the troops will go to a somewhat curtailed, cheaper version.

A lot of what entered the troops in the 90s ?!

You and people like you will blame 100 years later, and even blame the USSR, Lenin, the "damned foes" who put a spoke in the wheel. And just compare the cost of oil in the 90-80s and in the 90s and now. In 2000 year prices fell by half - instantly the ruble fell by half. Here is the result of Putin's economy in 14 years. At $ 14 a barrel, you instantly get back to 20m.

[Looking for]

only on power !!!!

[DED_peer_DED]

All the result of the policies of the president and the government.

So it is already necessary to eliminate human "bookmarks" in the country.
They are all the "salt" of what is happening.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: mark1

So a large share of the probability - the enemy hands.

In 2009, in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, one of the first Su-35 serial fighters was lost as a result of the accident. Maybe it's just such a tradition?

[mark1]

Maybe traditions - in both cases, the failure of the management system. But tradition may not necessarily be with the manufacturer.

[Looking for]

this option also cannot be discounted.

[rotmistr60]

The flight is test, so some kind of equipment failure is not excluded. They will figure it out, if necessary, fix it. Of course it's a pity for the car, but the main thing is that the pilot is alive. But in some liberal mass media exclamations like: "Disruption of the supply of Su-57", "Hurried to show off", etc. have already started. - in one word, the usual stench.

[spirit]

Exactly the same stink as on this resource, if some f-35 fell .only now laugh at the opposite Western resources of analogues of VO .All in the end they bring the equipment after adoption, and we and the USA and China, and accidents are inevitable.

[donavi49]

The serial configuration aircraft crashed - this one.

The pilot factory pilot Alexei Gorshkov piloted.

I wrote yesterday, not the fact that with LL 50-2, because serial also before the factory transfer. Well, on a preliminary topic, problems with EMDS. Or translating something into a dive. They always happen. It’s bad what happened in the serial configuration. This will 100% delay the program.

[Connor MacLeod]

If we talk about accidents with fifth-generation fighters, then at least 4 F-22s and 2 F-35s have already been lost. And this is not counting the smaller accidents ...

[Fraracol_2]

Compare too. And how many of their pieces were built, and how much time do they already fly?

[alexmach]

Well, for the sake of justice, from the point of view of statistics, one accident in one of the 12 cars also does not mean anything at all. For f22 f35, there are already statistics on raids and incidents, for Su-57 there are no such statistics and cannot be yet. In 5-10 years it will be possible to compare something at all

[Connor MacLeod]

Raptors released 195 pieces, with 6 aircraft already lost (2 pilots killed), plus a dozen minor accidents requiring aircraft repair.

[donavi49]

Well, MS-21 didn’t kill a single passenger (and didn’t carry it either) —but 737 and 320 had five large cemeteries. Solves plaque and quantity.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

The SU-57 and MI-28NM, which crashed in December, were brand new, which burnt down when landing the TU-22MZ just after a major overhaul and modernization. Apparently there are some problems.

[Artemiy_2]

Mi-28NM did not fall
It was UB.

[Artemiy_2]

And he seems to have fallen due to the fact that the power line hooked

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: Artemiy_2

Mi-28NM did not fall
It was UB.

As far as I know, the Mi-28NM also has duplicated controls in the cockpit of the operator. What is the difference between MI-28NM and MI28UB can explain? Last year, for example, the Air Force did not transmit a single Mi-28N / UB. At the same time, there is a valid contract for the supply of 100 MI-28NM.

[donavi49]

As for the Mi-28UB - the Defense Ministry should conduct a demonstration process on leadership. For there were no conditions for a safe flight. The crew sat down. Everything was ok. Then the management sent another crew (FAC - deputy for flight work) with the order to overtake the helicopter right now. If they had organized an export guard, and flew away by tomorrow = there would have been a maximum of photos on the subject, the helicopter landed on the field.

Tu-22M3 must wait for details. Maybe there was a similar one. Nothing will help here.


According to the Su-57, the worst is the serial configuration and the main version of the technical problems. This is guaranteed to delay the program. Well, I hope after the Su-24 with their knuckled on the knee, but the modernized recorders made conclusions and the Su-57 even fits the civil requirements of the recorder. Then the information can be removed.

[DED_peer_DED]

The only sensible piece of all the garbage.

[Cowbra]

God knows. I’m not a flyer, I can work out ... However, the fact that the accident - is - alarming

[Essex62]

Devices heavier than air always fall, fall and will fall. From the very beginning. They will sort it out, eliminate it and fly without crash, the SU-57 will be a reliable combat system. The main pilot was almost uninjured.

[Snigir]

Well, one flaw in the plane was revealed, the main thing is that test pilots would detect the flaws, and not military pilots.
The main thing is that not the VKS will pay for the crashed plane, but the manufacturer. The plane is not cheap.
A health pilot!

[kupitman]

Most likely insurance, or rather, the plant will receive a refund

[Astronaut]

It seems that information slipped that they tested a new engine on the SU-57 ...

[In..]

Maybe some Chinese transistor is to blame ...

[Yegorchik]

Quote: 777-3-59-97

What's going on with the "military review"?

Nothing, it has always been this way, the "news" section is occupied by Prigozhinsky as a tag "politics" on a pick-up.

[kupitman]

People plus and minus whom they consider necessary, what do not like?

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: 777-3-59-97

who wrote an explicit misinformation

Two planes flew from Komsomolsk-on-Amur for sure - the plan for the "Product 50" engine was closed on the T-2-30 and the first SU-57 from the pilot batch was refined. First, RIA Novosti reported that the crash was a T-50 fighter. At the same time, the aircraft is not military and belongs to the manufacturer. A regional government spokesman said the engine was being tested. So any of these two planes could have been destroyed. Therefore, I assumed that it was a T-50-2. Of course, Hermit21 was flawed.

[Al Asad]

Quote: donavi49

Tu-22M3 must wait for details. Maybe there was a similar one. Nothing will help here.

Only they will not be. At least official

[AU Ivanov.]

Are you sure that you were shown on TV the actual "filling" of Drying? This is generally classified information. And here is a random set of components - people go to work.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: Al Asad

Only they will not be. At least official

The second time they don’t want to be dishonored.
Search in Google for the phrase - "black box su 24 a shame". The end of the phrase is substituted by Google itself.

[AU Ivanov.]

Anything was opened there, except for the on-board recorder.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Anything was opened there, except for the on-board recorder.

Quote: DED_peer_DED

I do not exclude it as an option.

In the mid-80s, I was servicing such a device (other words do not work ...)

Therefore, it was wild to me to look at the frames of the video. But as they write above, it was supposedly HPP, such.
It's even more wild to me. How can you disrespect your people and the Country to such an extent that you can "contrive" them to "glorify"?
Just like that non-commissioned officer widow who carved herself.
I do not understand...

[AU Ivanov.]

Conventional misinformation, moreover, conscious. Let them think that we are retarded, as an option.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Conventional misinformation, moreover, conscious.

Why all this ? ETOGES was a Su-24, an old man.
That time, it means "to sprinkle ashes on your head," and now to play "cool cartoons" about unfinished samples of new weapons and scare the foe with them? That their powers that be, so skid on the bends?
Some game.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Conventional misinformation, moreover, conscious.

Did you conclude all this from the words of a friend?

[DPN]

Technique is technique, CREW is alive this is the most important thing, the rest is trifles. How many cars are beating on the roads and there is nothing to live on.

[Alex 2016]

One way or another, “childhood diseases” always come out; deficiencies have to be identified and eliminated already along the way. As a rule, the larger the series, the sooner the "shoals" appear. Su-57 is still released a very small batch. Perhaps it is not so bad that the problem was identified right now, at an early stage of the production cycle, and not in the troops.
In other words, for the Su-57 this incident is unpleasant, but not fatal.

[Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)]

eh, well they wrote about f-35, sincerely

[maximon2005]

Yak-130 threw the same because of the failure of the EDSU ... in Lipetsk, they wanted to hang on the pilot. After this, Kharchevsky said that the Yak-130 in Lipetsk will not be.

[bogart047]

Well, now it became clear who to shoot. Those who prepared the car for flight

[DMB-2020]

Everything will become clear when the plane is restored after a hard landing, then it will be possible to determine the cause of the malfunctions or maybe even someone’s criminal sabotage, because not every day the Air Force immediately loses 10% of the 5th generation fighter fleet.

[Azimuth]

The test pilot is alive. The plane was not handed over to the customer. Yes, fell in the test. Work on the errors will be the main thing.

[Klingon]

well, the first damn thing is lumpy, it happens, the striped oxygen supply system for the pilot on the F-35 still does not work properly

[not main]

Quote: Mar. Tira

Quote: The same LYOKHA

well the bailout system worked normally.

Yes, it’s also not enough good when you are shot out of the cockpit like a cannon. Therefore, they are fighting for the car, including because of bailout. When the pilot was brought for examination, he complained of pain in the ankle joint. When they did not find the x-ray fracture. stretching. It's not scary, it’ll recover. The main thing is lively and provides valuable information. As you remember, they planned to transfer the first Su-57 to the Russian Aerospace Forces before the end of the year. Now at the plant are representatives of the Ministry of Defense who, apparently, were just about to accept the fallen fighter. The consequences of the disaster are difficult to predict, but, apparently, the UAC, which owns the plant, will have to make an additional copy of the Su-57 at its own expense, since The contract with the Moscow Region has already been concluded and it indicates the number of fighters to be delivered. In this case, a catastrophe can definitely be called a disaster. The plant, and therefore the whole city, was counting on this order and any problems with it would directly affect both the factory workers and the residents of the city as a whole. And the upcoming holiday, unfortunately, will no longer be as fun as it could be ... http: //www.komcity.ru/news/? Id = 36083

The term "catastrophe" is repeated twice, but a catastrophe is a flight accident with human casualties, with the loss of an aircraft without casualties it is an accident! If the aircraft has been restored to the TEC, then this is a prerequisite for a flight accident!

[Looking for]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

This is not an accident, namely the CATASTROPHE

That's it, read but not dictionaries. Profile documents.

[Robertocalos]

Unflown aircraft. Piece product. For aviation - an ordinary event. The pilot is alive, then everything is in order. Not only the hype is not in order, it is not needed.

[nik-karata]

I apologize to the regulars!
It became lousy, smelly, nasty advertising TOPVAR !!! It used to be a great, intelligent site, with many great commentators. Now I open the page for 5 minutes due to the unbearable abundance of advertising. The feeling that I’m not going to TOPVAR, but to selling all shit! Thanks to the admins for the advertisement!