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First, we begin to build "SP-2", then we think about our pipe layers. About the statement of the head of USC

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Due to the fact that the Swiss company Allseas withdrew its pipe-laying vessels from the Baltic Sea after the American threats, a discussion suddenly began in Russia about the issue of its own pipe-laying. This is a statement made by the head of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, Alexei Rakhmanov, regarding the possible plans and deadlines for the construction of a pipe-laying vessel in the Russian Federation.


These reflections themselves make one wonder why it had never occurred to any of the interested parties that Western pressure could impede the implementation of Nord Stream-2 and that in this case it is necessary to have our own equipment and our own “specialized” fleet to implement the project?

In the end, everything goes according to the law of the genre: at first they began to build, now they suddenly became concerned about the lack of their own vessels capable of laying pipes along the bottom of the sea.

Alexey Rakhmanov on the air of the TV "Russia 24":

I am absolutely convinced that the country that built the nuclear icebreakers and submarines will be able to do everything. We have no doubt that if there is an order, we will proceed immediately to the design and, accordingly, then to the construction of such a vessel.

According to Rakhmanov, the design phase may take 1,5-2 years, another 3-4 years - the construction of the pipe-laying vessel.

Rakhmanov noted that a project of this kind in Russia will (if it will) be implemented “from scratch”, and therefore “we won’t meet it in less time”.

The head of USC added that today, as far as he knows, there are no free pipe-laying vessels in the world.

Recall that Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, after the decision of the Swiss company to leave the construction area of ​​SP-2, said that Russia would still complete the pipeline. At the moment, it remains to lay about 125 km of pipe in the Danish area.
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  1. GKS 2111
    GKS 2111 24 December 2019 16: 26
    +20
    1,5-2 years may take the design phase, another 3-4 years - the construction of the pipe-laying vessel.
    Until the thunder strikes, as they say ...
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 24 December 2019 16: 29
      +30
      Quote: GKS 2111
      Until the thunder strikes, as they say ...

      It’s just that OSK has a competent leader - forging iron while it’s hot.
      1. Tiksi-3
        Tiksi-3 24 December 2019 16: 39
        +29
        Quote: Gray Brother
        It’s just that OSK has a competent leader - forging iron while it’s hot.

        just in Gazprom and the government full noobs! I’m even glad that it all happened ... or they’ll remove these or maybe they will begin to consult smart analysts !!
        1. cniza
          cniza 24 December 2019 16: 44
          +63
          You know that they will not remove anyone, they are loyal, and therefore untouchable, although they admit blunder after blunder.
          1. Tiksi-3
            Tiksi-3 24 December 2019 17: 01
            +17
            Quote: cniza
            You know they won’t take anyone off

            but you want to believe in justice, although what am I talking about? what
            1. cniza
              cniza 24 December 2019 17: 12
              +6
              So everyone wants it, especially on New Year's Eve.
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 24 December 2019 20: 26
                +1
                I'm an atheist.
                But, damn it, how can you not remember the church saying "no matter what happens, everything eventually happens for the better"
                But Rakhmanov well done. Raised the topic in time. I benefited for Russia from this incident.
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus 25 December 2019 00: 56
                  +5
                  In the movie "Green Mile" there is such a phrase
                  How many years have you peed on the toilet lid until you have been told that the lid needs to be lifted?

                  One gets the impression that the people who made the decision to build the SP-2, TP, and others, who are now "suffering" from import substitution, still have no idea about such "trifles".
                  And the country expects a miracle from "them"
                  "Miracle!", Painting, Vasya Lozhkin (Alexey Vladimirovich Kudelin), Wonderful People's Artist
                  1. hydrox
                    hydrox 25 December 2019 09: 05
                    0
                    Come on!
                    What a miracle ?? Even if the next firewood is not broken - and that is already good!
                    Look how the social network "swells" today - with such a lazy reaction rate, they may not have time to intercept ...
            2. aleks26
              aleks26 24 December 2019 17: 32
              -4
              Quote: Tiksi-3
              but you want to believe in justice

              Well, believe it! Who's stopping you?
            3. Vladivostok1969
              Vladivostok1969 25 December 2019 01: 34
              +1
              "In the end, the truth will win. But it is not true" A.P. Chekhov
            4. hrych
              hrych 25 December 2019 03: 19
              +3
              Quote: Tiksi-3
              although what am I talking about?

              And the fact that one parasite from an interested shipbuilding company barked at it so that they could give it to the order, and all the singers rushed into the polyphony of singing Lazarus. And you all forgot that Gazprom did take care and acquired the Akademik Chersky pipe layer two years ago. He should go for a month from Nakhodka (some kind of goblin is whined about 2 months, like he’s a worse cargo ship), he’s got twenty days along the Northern Sea Route wassat Winter of course, Duc icebreaking wiring you and the Americans can do evil wassat Isn’t it time for Gazprom’s noobs to receive Chery’s insight and purchase ... to reward wassat
              1. sen
                sen 25 December 2019 04: 58
                +5
                In theory, he should already be in the Baltic Sea if the leaders of Gazprom were friends with his head. Now he can be detained anywhere due to sanctions.
                1. hrych
                  hrych 25 December 2019 05: 46
                  +5
                  Quote: sen
                  if the leaders of Gazprom were friends headlong

                  Fortuna is on duty there (and for a reason), and Chersky was preparing for Far Eastern projects ... no less important. No one will stop him, this is called war. Don't fantasize wassat This ship is ours. And no one would have delayed the Swiss, they were afraid for their bills and for the contracts scheduled for years to come. The funny thing is that Gazprom signed a profitable ukrotransit contract a day earlier and has one year in reserve and the next 4 years also have good contractual obligations. Therefore, Ukraine is so upset, so upset. There is a conspiratorial version that Trump waited for the signing of the contract and hit the Swiss. It seems like the SP-2 was slowing down, but very slightly. But in return, we won’t get any problems because we could destroy his LNG projects, etc., by dumping. Trump wants to pick up the gas market in Poland and the Baltic states. We must merge them. Let them eat expensive LNG. The Fortuna barge will begin laying not from Danish waters, but from the other side of the string, from Germany. Those. as Chersky goes, Fortune can get to work. Chersky will go from Danish waters and meet Fortuna outside of Danish waters. Also, Germany, for its part, is preparing a surprise for the opponents of SP-2. In theory, due to a good contract, SP-2 may even suffer for more than one year, but the EU needs more because of a drop in its production. The gas pipelines of the Federal Republic of Germany and the Czech Republic under SP-2 lagged behind it and one devil will be ready to receive in 21 years.
                  1. sen
                    sen 25 December 2019 06: 02
                    +1
                    No one will stop him, this is called war.

                    So our ships were detained more than once. The same Ukraine. For safety, a warship of protection should be allocated.
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 25 December 2019 07: 35
                      +6
                      The same Ukraine, due to the rusty and small Nord, lost the Sea of ​​Azov, seized her three ships demonstratively, a bunch of sailors, broke them in, gave them sniffs and exchanged ... And the United States, unlike these, behave more respectable, dirty but the borders know.
                      1. sen
                        sen 25 December 2019 10: 24
                        +3
                        America does everything with the wrong hands.
                        So the US is hunting our people abroad. Arrest and give out.
                        You need to go to ports to replenish stocks. They may not let me go or let go, and at the request of the USA they may detain them, since the USA extends its jurisdiction to other countries.
                      2. hrych
                        hrych 25 December 2019 16: 33
                        +3
                        Therefore, we got Tartus and are friends with Sisi, Haftar, Iranians, Indians, Chinese and Eun. We have not so few friends for whom the USA does not have a decree. Of course Switzerland is a dwarf without going to sea, and her company is fatally dependent on sanctions. But even the Turks today don’t listen to anyone ... By the way ... and who laid the pipes of the Turkish stream ... now we’ll google ...
                    2. kupitman
                      kupitman 25 December 2019 13: 41
                      +3
                      if you go from Chukotka, then who will delay him? went to the Arctic Arctic and went
                  2. major147
                    major147 25 December 2019 20: 27
                    0
                    Quote: hrych
                    The funny thing is that Gazprom signed a profitable ukrotransit contract a day earlier and has one year in reserve and the next 4 years also have good contractual obligations. There is a conspiratorial version that Trump waited for the signing of the contract and hit the Swiss.

                    Alas! I will upset you. The contract has not been signed at the time of this writing. And it's not a fact that "our Ukrainian partners" won't kick up at the most inconvenient moment for us!
                    Naftogaz and Russia's Gazprom may sign a contract for gas transit through Ukraine by December 27. Naftogaz executive director Yury Vitrenko announced this on Facebook.
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 26 December 2019 00: 27
                      +2
                      There is a trilateral interstate agreement, where the third party is the EU (European Commission). It is accepted. Small contractors who provide it cannot go beyond the framework. They cannot cancel the agreement, they cannot be unsigned, etc. From 2020 Gazprom will deal not with Naftogaz, but with the new state-owned company of Ukraine, specially created to manage the country's GTS. And all cooperation comes down to a simple formula: provided a transportation service - received money according to the approved tariff. Which Ukrainians cannot bully at their own will, since they have undertaken to work according to European rules.
                      1. major147
                        major147 26 December 2019 19: 13
                        0
                        Quote: hrych
                        There is a tripartite interstate agreement,

                        There is an agreement, no agreement! hi
                2. 1536
                  1536 25 December 2019 16: 21
                  +1
                  But this is blatant aggression, i.e. war. America is stupefied, but not so much. Though...
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              3. kig
                kig 25 December 2019 06: 33
                -1
                look at the Allseas website for a video about their pipe layers. Look on YouTube for how pipes are laid to the bottom of the sea - there’s even a good video about the South Stream - and then compare it with Chersky.
                1. hrych
                  hrych 25 December 2019 07: 29
                  +4
                  And what to compare? The main thing is that it meets all the parameters for laying pipes of a certain diameter.
                  1. kig
                    kig 26 December 2019 06: 03
                    +1
                    You still watch the video, and then you will understand that the main thing is not pipes, but equipment with technologies that are used on such a vessel. And of course, people who will use this technique. If all this is already there - great.
              4. hydrox
                hydrox 25 December 2019 09: 08
                +4
                From October 10, Chersky no longer gives his place to the marinthraffic - does anyone really think that he is still in the Far East? laughing
                1. kig
                  kig 26 December 2019 03: 19
                  0
                  December 25th position
              5. ROBIN-SON
                ROBIN-SON 25 December 2019 23: 38
                -3
                I doubt that this frigate has an ice class. And go north in winter. True, the feat of "Chelyuskin" can be repeated, which is also not bad. Let the whole country worry about the crew on the talk show. And then, even though the GDP has urged to think about itself, and not about ukr, that the changes are not visible. Yes, it is understandable. The lured ukroexperty are at your side. True, Kovtun did not begin to grind something on a cheat sheet. Today a hoarse presenter shouted at him. Already blushed.
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 26 December 2019 08: 07
                  -1
                  And what, have you been invited to the Chersky pilot?
                  I doubt very much: they won't even take you there as a toilet cleaner - a nautical education is required, and "" 7 grades, the eighth corridor "" - this is for you in lieuber managers in a tent at the market. laughing
          2. Masha
            Masha 24 December 2019 17: 17
            +3
            And if you think globally? Not parochial interests? hi
            1. cniza
              cniza 24 December 2019 17: 23
              +2
              There is nothing to think about, but not a sound about it ... hi
              1. Masha
                Masha 24 December 2019 17: 27
                +5
                Sound effect ... laughing
                1. cniza
                  cniza 24 December 2019 17: 28
                  +1
                  Yeah, the antipode of a noise grenade ... lol
                  1. Masha
                    Masha 24 December 2019 17: 34
                    +7
                    I, as a lady who does not understand, is a grenade atypod noise ?? recourse
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 24 December 2019 17: 51
                      +2
                      Our "magicians" have everything. yes
                      1. Masha
                        Masha 24 December 2019 17: 55
                        +3
                        Wizards without quotes ... a gimmick on inventions ... yes
                      2. cniza
                        cniza 24 December 2019 17: 56
                        0
                        By wizard, I understood the power of those who held it ...
          3. Tochilka
            Tochilka 24 December 2019 18: 53
            -2
            With all this, # time for buildup for # unpaid # jerk - no!
            1. Masha
              Masha 24 December 2019 19: 57
              +3
              jerk - no!

              For a jerk ... kick ??? feel
        2. dorz
          dorz 24 December 2019 16: 58
          +12
          Quote: Tiksi-3
          Quote: Gray Brother
          It’s just that OSK has a competent leader - forging iron while it’s hot.
          ... just in Gazprom and the government are full noobs!

          Soon, dividend shareholders will receive 30% of their profits this year. Glory to Gazprom. smile sad
          1. Tiksi-3
            Tiksi-3 24 December 2019 17: 02
            -17
            Quote: dorz
            Dividends will be received soon

            and as Miller promised, gas prices for the population, from 2021 (in my opinion) would be tied to a buck !! .... would kill him!
            1. Mityay65
              Mityay65 24 December 2019 17: 18
              +15
              Quote: Tiksi-3
              as Miller promised, gas prices for the population, from 2021 (in my opinion) will be pegged to the buck !!

              Miller did not promise this. Nobody said that.
              1. Tiksi-3
                Tiksi-3 24 December 2019 17: 20
                -26
                Quote: Mityai65
                Miller didn't promise that.

                belay what are you? ... if you haven’t heard (read), why bother then ???
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 24 December 2019 17: 26
                  +17
                  Quote: Tiksi-3
                  what are you? ... if you haven’t heard (read), why bother then ???

                  It would seem that it’s easier to just lay out the confirmation of your own words.
                  After all, you reported a pegging to the dollar. Give me a link please.
                  1. Tiksi-3
                    Tiksi-3 24 December 2019 17: 33
                    -27
                    Quote: Flood
                    Give me a link please.

                    I won’t give links, as it was a month ago and I didn’t save, but in principle it will become clear to those who are in the tank from 2021 or 2022 ...
                    1. Mityay65
                      Mityay65 24 December 2019 17: 39
                      +8
                      Quote: Tiksi-3
                      I will not give links

                      Then do not speak for Miller.
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 24 December 2019 19: 49
                        +8
                        Quote: Mityai65
                        Then don't speak for Miller

                        I found this statement
                        Gazprom urged Russians to prepare for an increase in gas prices, as prices for raw materials on the global market fell, and they will have to be compensated for by the citizens of the country. Viktor Yatsenko, Deputy Head of Department 2019 (Economic Expertise and Pricing) of Gazprom, said this at the Gas of Russia 817 forum.
                        “Let's be honest with each other and admit that this 'crossroads', when we supported the domestic market through exports, will probably no longer be like this”, - said the top manager.
                    2. Alex Nevsky
                      Alex Nevsky 25 December 2019 12: 37
                      -1
                      And what is the main thing in the tank?
                      1. svd-xnumx
                        svd-xnumx 25 December 2019 17: 47
                        0

                        And what is the main thing in the tank?
                        The main thing in the tank is not to get over it.
            2. ltc35
              ltc35 24 December 2019 19: 39
              -1
              So it is clear without words. It will rise in price in any case, regardless of the price of oil or dollars. Our whole life confirms this without the Millers.
            3. Alex Justice
              Alex Justice 25 December 2019 16: 33
              +1
              and as Miller promised, gas prices for the population, from 2021 (in my opinion) will be tied to the buck !!

              Gossip and alarmist.
          2. alavrin
            alavrin 24 December 2019 17: 08
            +8
            What a mediocre poster. Substitution of content with a form, moreover, from the American model.
        3. maidan.izrailovich
          maidan.izrailovich 24 December 2019 16: 58
          -6
          Tiksi-3 (Dmitry)
          just in Gazprom and the government full noobs!

          You are right.
          cniza (Victor)
          You know that they will not remove anyone, they are loyal, and therefore untouchable ...

          Unfortunately, you too.
        4. Victor N
          Victor N 24 December 2019 18: 01
          -3
          Did Gazprom and the Government impose vile sanctions? Or are you on the principle: beat your own so that strangers are afraid?
        5. KCA
          KCA 24 December 2019 19: 13
          +4
          GAZPROM, in fact, was puzzled and bought the Akademik Chersky pipelayer and did it back in 2016, the whole problem is that it is a little bit in the wrong place - in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. planned to use it in the Far East
          1. dauria
            dauria 25 December 2019 00: 53
            -4
            GAZPROM, in fact, was puzzled and bought the pipelayer "Academician Chersky"


            Here the pipelayer will not help. Unless in the company with AUG, coastal aviation and a dozen divisions. Previously, they beat for a smaller face. I don’t understand one thing - gas in Russia, the Germans need it. Maybe, in fact, we’ll be very offended and will impose sanctions on Gazprom ourselves and ruin it to pieces. And then talk with both Europe and the aliens from Venus ....
            1. Nastia makarova
              Nastia makarova 25 December 2019 08: 32
              +1
              someone dares to arrest? do not say nonsense
              1. dauria
                dauria 25 December 2019 13: 13
                -2
                someone dares to arrest? do not say nonsense


                The property of the country is being arrested, diplomats are thrown out of their own building. And here they are afraid to arrest the pelvis of a private company under any pretext?
                We concluded contracts with the slaves, bypassing their real master - this is the result.
                1. Nastia makarova
                  Nastia makarova 25 December 2019 13: 34
                  0
                  yeah they’ll arrest them right at sea
                  1. dauria
                    dauria 25 December 2019 13: 55
                    -1
                    yeah they’ll arrest them right at sea


                    It won’t even come to that. The porters fled, leaving everything to the detriment of themselves. Bulgarians to the detriment of themselves blocked UP. And the Germans will flee.
                    Well this is not a country, but in fact a colony. How can they decide something? Well, or they’ll unscrew Gazprom’s hands so that most of the money they earn will be in the United States.
                    But the Chinese spit on the United States, fill their islands, mirror people in jail and mirror the answer in a trade war. For a simple reason - they can, there is power. Economy, army, people, territory. Power in one word.
                    1. Nastia makarova
                      Nastia makarova 25 December 2019 13: 57
                      +1
                      do not worry. everything will be fine
                      1. dauria
                        dauria 25 December 2019 14: 01
                        -3
                        do not worry. everything will be fine
                        laughing

                        Of course. After 10 to the 42nd power, the last proton of the universe will decay. And this fuss of matter will calm down. wink
                      2. Nastia makarova
                        Nastia makarova 25 December 2019 14: 56
                        +1
                        we'll see next year
          2. major147
            major147 25 December 2019 21: 07
            +1
            Quote: KCA
            GAZPROM, in fact, was puzzled and bought the Akademik Chersky pipelayer and did it back in 2016, the whole problem is that it is a little bit in the wrong place - in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. planned to use it in the Far East

            Some time ago, he worked in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk at another sanctioned facility - Sakhalin-3.
        6. at84432384
          at84432384 24 December 2019 19: 32
          +7
          And these will not be removed (there is no one to change), and they will not consult with the smart (they consider themselves the smartest). Everything is according to Parkinson's laws. The system needs to be changed. Completely "cosmetics" will not help.
        7. Nadrub
          Nadrub 24 December 2019 19: 48
          +2
          So the seats and positions on the Inheritance are transferred, all “your own” people cannot be expelled and punished all around ... the country is manually controlled, so no one thinks about anything except money
        8. Berkut154
          Berkut154 24 December 2019 21: 13
          0
          There is no full Ale !!! Morons Office plankton sit and are only used to counting money, they don’t know how to think, while receiving cosmic salaries they still manage to blame the current government. There are no professionals there. Only differential clerks! (I'm talking about Gazprom, if someone doesn’t understand), in principle, the OSK follows the same path.
        9. Alekseev
          Alekseev 25 December 2019 08: 39
          0
          Quote: Tiksi-3
          just in Gazprom and the government full noobs!

          Unlike us, in VO. wink
          We would have done the business "without noise and dust." yes
          True, pipe-laying vessels of well-known companies built the Blue Stream, Turkish Stream, Nord Stream-1 and a number of pipelines quickly and efficiently, in very difficult conditions ... eased vigilance, however. angry Moreover, the German partners said that they would settle everything. But that is what it is: they did not underestimate the strength and fierceness of the enemy! And on "Fortuna" it would be possible to mount the SDP in advance and to overtake the pipelayer from the Far East in advance, all the more since it has no work there now.
          But ... let the Americans not be very happy. In the Baltic conditions, at relatively shallow depths and in relative proximity to the coastal bases, it is possible to build gas pipelines without large and complex pipe-laying vessels. Moreover, there is little left. So (towing and laying pre-welded sections) have already been done many times in the North Sea, etc. We just need to figure out everything, which is better: drive the pipelayer for 20 km or change the laying technology.
      2. Sharky
        Sharky 24 December 2019 16: 47
        +32
        And what about the payments from the Swiss for the failure to fulfill the contract? Or was the contract made by the same Gazprom lawyers as with Ukraine? Now we also have to pay something to the Swiss? what
        1. kjhg
          kjhg 24 December 2019 17: 29
          +12
          Quote: Sharky
          Now we also have to pay something to the Swiss?

          I propose an exclusive idea that no one has thought of yet. Unknown people without identification marks need to "seize" this Swiss ship, or both ships at once, together with the entire crew, and "force" them to complete the construction of the gas pipeline as soon as possible. How much did they promise to finish? For two weeks? Let them spend these two weeks "in captivity" and finish their work. At the end of their work, pay the workers generously in gold coins. The amount required for this must be confiscated from the heads of Gazprom and the government leadership responsible for the project.
          A joke of course. But what to do, humor is sometimes simply necessary.
        2. Nkv3
          Nkv3 24 December 2019 18: 03
          +4
          This version suggests itself - at the start of the project, Switzerland discussed possible force majeure. And she set the condition for Russia: if the US applies sanctions, it immediately leaves the project. Lossless for yourself.
          And you guys, disentangle this porridge further yourself.
          So claims to them are unlikely to be. There, people are smarter than ours.
        3. Alex Nevs
          Alex Nevs 24 December 2019 18: 13
          +1
          And it is necessary to file a lawsuit for the underload by the work of the pipe layer (simple not through their fault). For such force majeure is not in the contract. And the plaintiff pays the costs. laughing
      3. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 24 December 2019 23: 41
        0
        Quote: Gray Brother
        It’s just that OSK has a competent leader - forging iron while it’s hot.

        How easy and simple it is to blame someone lying on the couch ....
        Details specified in Gazprom’s contract with contractors are known only to Gazprom and Allseas in particular. Nobody really knew the timing of the imposition of sanctions. I think that in the most quiet and secret offices of the US Presidential Administration there was no consensus on this matter.
        Allseas is currently in consultation with the U.S. Department of the Treasury on specific steps to proceed with pipe laying, as the contract for the construction of the SP-2 was signed long before the alleged threats from the United States. Ah, the law has no retroactive effect.
        Although the law is not written for the United States ....
        1. Grits
          Grits 25 December 2019 05: 40
          +1
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          Allseas is currently consulting with the U.S. Department of the Treasury on specific steps to proceed with pipe laying,

          I have no doubt that the US Treasury will specifically and intelligibly explain to them.
        2. victor50
          victor50 25 December 2019 13: 42
          0
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          Ah, the law has no retroactive effect.

          This is where you learned this?
    2. LifeIsGood
      LifeIsGood 24 December 2019 16: 38
      +17
      Yes, just before that it was stupidly impractical to design and build such ships. It was much cheaper to hire a third-party company. Such a ship is not a boat or a tanker. Such ships are built in single copies, and for the most part are unique. Hence the conclusions about what penny this boat will cost, the speed of its construction, and its subsequent use is still a big question!
      So that ours arrived quite reasonably just by hiring a contractor. And the Cry of the Soul from the Head of USC is so ... quickly hesitate and snatch off a contract for the development and construction of such a vessel.
      1. Nkv3
        Nkv3 24 December 2019 16: 57
        +5
        This is all clear.
        Another thing is not clear - who and how will now complete the SP-2?
        The same one, in honor of the completion of the construction of which many intended to raise glasses in NG?
        Does anyone even understand that this is a disaster?
        That all these multi-paths actually turn into elementary shortsightedness?
        What, no one imagined that the United States would allow investing in SP-2, and then at the finish line they would close a bench? Or are we not used to burying money in the sand, as was the case with South Stream?
        Yes, we all hope to complete the project.
        But still it is not clear how to do this now. It turns out that there are not enough hoteloks alone.
        1. Sharky
          Sharky 24 December 2019 17: 10
          +6
          who and how will now complete the SP-2?

          I hope that the Swiss put a stub before they dropped the end of the pipeline.
          Build your pipe layer is not advisable. In our office, the cable managers stand three months behind with a crew of three people, because there are no projects. What can I say about pipe layers ...
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 24 December 2019 19: 56
            +4
            Quote: Sharky
            Build your pipe layer is not advisable.

            That latno! belay What did Switzerland build them without having gas at the same time ?! laughing
            1. Sharky
              Sharky 24 December 2019 21: 16
              +3
              That latno! What did Switzerland build them without having gas?

              Your question is strange, but I will answer you. It happened historically, and not only that some countries have been providing specific services for many years. They tightly occupied certain areas of the world market. To bite off their piece of cake is very problematic. They offer high quality work, invest in new technologies related directly to their business. Also, do not disdain to strengthen their positions, buying up small companies, to absorb others, merging with them. Offering pipeline laying services, it is not necessary to have / produce gas. I don’t understand how you even thought of linking this.
              Yes, we can say that the Chinese are now trying to bite off a piece of the pie, offering services of earth deepening / filling artificial islands around the world, crowding the Dutch and Belgians, for example. But, they do not turn out as well as they would like. The quality of the work falls short, the working conditions are worse, the personnel who decide do not really want to work for them. They are in no hurry to share their hundred-year experience. You can build a dredger, weld a box, but it is quite difficult to fill it with domestic equipment for earth deepening. Could you give as an example, the program of "import substitution" for our ship internal combustion engines, which we buy in the east, or are you aware?
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 25 December 2019 08: 07
                +1
                Quote: Sharky
                They tightly occupied certain areas of the world market. To bite off their piece of cake is very problematic.

                The Chinese do not stop the employment of the market, they break into any sphere, and successfully.
                1. Sharky
                  Sharky 25 December 2019 12: 15
                  0
                  About "successfully" is not always the case.
                  About Nord Stream 2: here you need to quickly, but quickly on your own will not work.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 25 December 2019 12: 21
                    +1
                    Quote: Sharky
                    About "successfully" is not always the case.

                    In the vast majority of cases.
                    Quote: Sharky
                    here you need to quickly, but quickly on your own will not work.

                    You can’t argue here. request
        2. Vovanya
          Vovanya 24 December 2019 17: 30
          +3
          Why not Germany impose more stringent sanctions on firms and owners of pipe-laying vessels? So that they have no choice.
        3. Sfurei
          Sfurei 24 December 2019 17: 56
          +3
          It may already be enough hysteria and spoil the nerves before the New Year !!!! Can you hear yourself ?? "Does anyone even know this is a disaster?" Where and who has disaster ?? What is the problem? Well, the dates are shifted, well, a little later they will launch the pipe. Where is the disaster? In the Turkish stream, this situation was already on the cessation of work in connection with the sanctions on the pipe-laying company and it seems to be completed. With the same squeak, Nord Stream 1 was filled for full pumping (at first they did not allow us to load 100%, but as needed it worked).
          And who told you that all these situations were not calculated in advance ?? We will not disrupt deliveries to the west according to the concluded contracts, as deliveries were prepared through our LNG ports and through a pipe in Ukraine.
          Yes, we are crushed by sanctions, but you can’t suppress it)))
        4. Alex Nevs
          Alex Nevs 24 December 2019 18: 17
          +1
          Yes they’ll finish it. Loss of time. And time is money. The Germans also know how to count.
        5. Vadim237
          Vadim237 24 December 2019 18: 25
          +1
          The pipeline will be completed in the next few months and more about supply vessels for Gazprom on December 23, 2019 in Vladivostok, after the successful completion of sea trials by the customer (Gazpromflot), the acceptance certificate for the supply vessel Ostap Sheremet of project 22420 was signed.
          ships can be made in Russia but only one pipelayer is needed and therefore it is better to create a universal ship - so that 365 days a year would not stand idle.
        6. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 25 December 2019 08: 33
          +2
          Yes, there are no problems with the completion of the joint venture !!! stop writing nonsense !!! the deadlines are 2-5 months and this is not critical
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 24 December 2019 17: 02
        +3
        Quote: LifeIsGood
        So that ours arrived quite reasonably just by hiring a contractor.

        On what the Americans played in the final stage of construction.
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 24 December 2019 17: 57
          +4
          There is no 100% protection against bandits and scoundrels!
      3. Mityay65
        Mityay65 24 December 2019 17: 31
        +2
        Quote: LifeIsGood
        Such ships are built in single copies, and for the most part are unique.

        There is nothing unique about the ship itself. An ordinary hoisting vessel of a ramp type, with a powerful crane and a directing boom, the higher the load, the deeper the pipe can be laid.
        The feature is a large hold for pipes with lifting mechanisms, and an automated production line inside for welding, diagnostics and insulation of welds from the inside and outside of the pipeline. The weld head and other technological equipment are expensive and require highly qualified operators. Now equipped with dynamic positioning systems, but this is not necessary.
        And so nothing special.
      4. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 24 December 2019 18: 16
        0
        Like microelectronics. World capital is invested, everyone uses it. And then here - ssanktsii, and shit .... sailed.
    3. g1v2
      g1v2 24 December 2019 16: 40
      +13
      Such ships need a couple of pieces for the whole world. It is clear that USC wants a tasty contract, but to build a ship that is most likely no longer needed? Pioneering Spirit with a displacement of 9 aircraft carriers. Cost - a half-bearer. About 3 billion dollars. He stupidly does not pay off without orders. request
      1. Mityay65
        Mityay65 24 December 2019 18: 05
        +4
        Pioneering Spirit is a versatile vessel. The main task of installation and dismantling of offshore platforms and drilling rigs weighing up to 48 tons. Laying pipelines is an auxiliary task. Therefore, the vessel is involved in any underwater work. There will be no work in the oil and gas industry - it will be engaged in the recovery of sunken ships, for example, the notorious dock PD-000.
        Knowing this, the cunning Rakhmanov conceived the most sombre ...
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 24 December 2019 18: 30
          0
          PD 50 to raise, no one will be too expensive and difficult - and the flooding itself is already a bunch of rusty scrap metal. It will take a new one to build on the Star.
        2. krillon
          krillon 24 December 2019 20: 26
          +1
          Tonnage of submarine "Kursk" 23.860t. Spirit works up to 48.000. Surely, apart from pipe-laying, such a vessel was not useful to us?
        3. Grits
          Grits 25 December 2019 06: 00
          +2
          Quote: Mityai65
          Knowing this, the cunning Rakhmanov conceived the most sombre ...

          Correctly conceived. if the whole world such ships need only a couple of pieces, then it’s a sin not to use it. And to earn money by laying pipelines by biting off a piece of cake from the same Swiss. Along the way, raising a huge hype in all the media that the Swiss company is an extremely unreliable contractor, because it is subject to outside influence and does not fulfill the terms of the contracts. Like, look, I have the same ship and the same competencies - order work only with us. In addition, a country that stretches thousands of kilometers of pipelines around the world, including the waters, is simply obliged to have its own ship in its arsenal for such work. Why - I think now it’s not worth explaining to anyone.
      2. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 24 December 2019 18: 20
        +1
        Well, a lot of gas, and in the future too. I need my own.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 24 December 2019 19: 09
          -2
          In the future, gas carriers are already needed for LNG transportation until 2030. Russia intends to enter the production of LNG up to 70 million tons per year - 15 gas carriers have already been delivered, another 10 will be purchased in the near future, another 23 will be built at Zvezda.
          1. Mityay65
            Mityay65 24 December 2019 19: 55
            -2
            Quote: Vadim237
            In the future, gas carriers are already needed for LNG transportation

            Yes, and talked about the fact that they will be needed for many years. The first time I heard in 04, and in the end, ordered in South Korea, everything is as always.
            Now again, Gazprom's "visionaries and visionaries" are talking a lot about the need for an engineering study of the underwater infrastructure for subsea hydrocarbon production in the Arctic and offshore. And everything will be as always, this time they will buy from the Chinese in the end. lol
            Quote: Alex Nevs
            Well, a lot of gas, and in the future too. Need your

            Of course. And for the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, and for the Barents. In general, the Arctic will need a transport installer of oil and gas platforms, incl. underwater. His, so that we do not break off. With the obligatory function of the underwater gas pipeline.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 25 December 2019 09: 41
              +1
              Let us fly again as always :: how the liberals will start bending us down: "Why build our own, when we have so much money that we can buy any service ?!"
              Only the liberoids, as always, do not have enough thrill for the fact that instead of putting the ship on the dock, the same ship can be sent to earn money for the budget - "It's not a royal business to EARN money!" - we will receive in response.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 25 December 2019 15: 02
                -1
                The market in this direction is already occupied by foreign companies.
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 25 December 2019 17: 13
                  0
                  No idiotic concept of "market" as applied to Russian projects HAS NO right to claim to perform work on infrastructure projects carried out with Russian funds, except for companies with Russian jurisdiction.
                  And if Russia still suffers losses on SP-2, then it’s up to the authorities to prohibit the payment of dividends by Gazprom until the entire amount of the loss is paid with no profit — they will know how to keep imported football teams! laughing
      3. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 December 2019 20: 00
        +2
        Quote: g1v2
        which is most likely no longer needed?

        What the Swiss did not think about it, because they have neither gas nor oil.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 25 December 2019 09: 44
          +1
          The cunning Swiss knew the manners of our liberoids, which is why they drove Russia to a whole company for underwater work, and I’m sure that Ollseise is raking money with a shovel, maybe even gilded ... yes
    4. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 24 December 2019 16: 43
      -1
      Strange statement.
      1. vitvit123
        vitvit123 24 December 2019 22: 26
        +1
        Nothing strange . There the context is different. He was asked by one stupid one, you can build, he also answered ... there was no sense what they would do. Fanned nonsense out of nothing. No one is going to do anything, with the same success we can say that we can build a rover, in 100 years, if you ask him ..
    5. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 24 December 2019 16: 44
      +7
      If they had been waiting for OSK to build a pipelayer, Severny 2 and Turetsky would still not even have started doing it.
    6. kjhg
      kjhg 24 December 2019 16: 56
      +5
      Quote: GKS 2111
      Until the thunder strikes, as they say ...

      This is a different case. Here, the analogy with toilet paper, which was needed over time, is more suitable.
      So now, because of the remaining 140 km, it will be 6 years (knowing our shipbuilding, then all 10) to build a pipe layer? While they will build it, it appears that the already constructed pipe has become unusable. Previously, such effective managers would be shot together with the whole family. This is what place you had to think in order to spend tens of billions of dollars getting into such a hole?
      1. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 24 December 2019 18: 22
        +1
        Mike will help out for the first case, but! .... then we will go everywhere with paper. laughing
        1. 72jora72
          72jora72 24 December 2019 18: 37
          +1
          Mike will help out for the first case, but! .... then we will go everywhere with paper.
          And "later" sometimes may not come ..............
    7. Den717
      Den717 24 December 2019 21: 21
      +3
      Quote: GKS 2111
      Until the thunder strikes, as they say ...

      Those who are slightly interested in the course are aware that back in 2016 Gazprom acquired a pipelayer, now called "Academician Chersky". It will be transported from the Far East to the Baltic and what remains will be completed. There are no problems, only time to drive. There is one more pipelayer, but it allegedly does not meet the requirements of Danish legislation, and it may well work outside its waters. Located in the Baltic. Why breed panic? Ships of this type are expensive. A pioneer spirit, for example, is about $ 3 billion. Owning such vessels requires a constant, unbroken amount of work. Therefore, there are few such ships. However, over time, as soon as we have to develop the shelf, we will have to build large universal vessels to service offshore oil and gas production. In general, it is time to reduce the volume of gas and oil sales, and switch to processing them at home, and already sell petrochemical products and finished fuels (gasoline, diesel fuel, kerosene, etc.).
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 25 December 2019 09: 50
        0
        That's all, except for one thing: liberoids do not even need hundred-ruble expenses in the form of investments in their own business - they quickly and dry up the bowels of the earth to drain to the West - these are citizens of the world !!!
        And ALWAYS such world citizens were the worst Russophobes!
        1. Den717
          Den717 25 December 2019 11: 57
          0
          Quote: hydrox
          liberoids do not need

          How did you find out their preferences? With which of them can you have an intimate conversation about the meanings and goals of life? Maybe everything is completely different? what
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 25 December 2019 17: 01
            0
            This is life experience: over these 30 years there are already so many of them before our eyes and with names that at least once fell into sight even on the Forbes list, at least according to the mentions of the UK, it was pumped into Russia and so many of them left its borders from children and households, which already unconsciously, the hand reaches for something virtual and therefore unresolved ... laughing
            1. Den717
              Den717 26 December 2019 14: 36
              0
              Ok, I see. Nothing concrete. Just pent ....
    8. kuz363
      kuz363 26 December 2019 07: 19
      0
      Actual deadlines are likely to be longer. Like the cost.
  2. Advisor to the Council of Advisers
    Advisor to the Council of Advisers 24 December 2019 16: 28
    -1
    Until the rooster pecks, the man will not cross himself.

    We finish in any case. You can buy a ship with subsequent resale.
    Maybe even our Academician can handle it.
    1. Yarr_Arr
      Yarr_Arr 24 December 2019 16: 38
      +4
      There are only a few such ships. And slow down the sale (money transfers) - probably even easier.
      Hardly a possible way
    2. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 24 December 2019 16: 43
      +4
      Until the rooster pecks, the man will not cross himself.

      It’s a pity that we have everything according to this principle. Seriously, at random. We always go for improvisation. It’s good that the sanctions at least taught us something, but apparently not until the end. All of our partners seem to be starting from the 90s. see living on such a principle, will have to wean.
      1. aleks26
        aleks26 24 December 2019 17: 43
        0
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        All partners seem to us

        Yes, nothing seems to be imagining, this is elementary politeness, everyone understands everything, well, really, do not talk about them "These brutes ..." or "these pid ... sy". It is not accepted so in those circles.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 24 December 2019 20: 02
          +4
          Quote: aleks26
          this is basic politeness

          What kind of one-sided politeness, do not you find?
        2. hydrox
          hydrox 25 December 2019 09: 56
          0
          And in "those circles" and we are not there either - what, we will be silent, or suck up like psheks, Lithuanians and skakuas do.
          So please, in your own name and not in our publications ... for us they have always been enemies and are not going to change their worldview (as well as Russia in general (except for liberoids!))!
  3. Yarr_Arr
    Yarr_Arr 24 December 2019 16: 31
    +8
    We must also take into account the fact that the gas pipeline is not only (and not so much) Russian, but (rather) German.
    And the Germans probably dictated who puts the pipe.
    So Rakhmanov can state, but is it really "on the case"?
    Yes, and to overtake the stacker from the Pacific Ocean - not years, but months (in my opinion, in the land :))
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 24 December 2019 16: 40
      +4
      There are not many months, but how much it will cost ... I mean, only port charges ... I’m not talking about the rest ...
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 24 December 2019 17: 07
        +4
        Alexei! What are the port charges? The hegemon forbade any assistance to the SP-2 project, either explicitly or indirectly. Therefore, the transition along the southern route should be accompanied by a flotilla from a tanker, a repair shop and all other support vessels. Whether I could not find out the possibility of a winter transition through the NSR, then the transition will be faster and will not require the use of an escort flotilla.
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 24 December 2019 17: 34
          +4
          According to the Northern Sea Route, you won’t believe that you will have to pay port charges ... We drove from the then Taman branch of Rosmorport, to the Arkhangelsk branch, a dredger, along internal river routes, laid port charges in river ports ...
          Therefore, the transition along the southern route should be accompanied by a flotilla from a tanker, a repair shop and all other support vessels.
          I’m not talking about the rest ...
          ... This is what I had in mind ...
      2. vitvit123
        vitvit123 24 December 2019 22: 28
        0
        No more than hoh ,, give the lamas .. the game is worth it (while definitely worth it) ..
  4. Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 24 December 2019 16: 32
    +13
    Quote: GKS 2111
    1,5-2 years may take the design phase, another 3-4 years - the construction of the pipe-laying vessel.
    Until the thunder strikes, as they say ...

    2 months for the distillation of the pipe-laying vessel from the Far East. Naturally, with protection, in violation of possible plans for an encroachment on free passage in the straits. Nord Stream 2 - not only pipe and business. This is, first of all, a wall-breaking machine to destroy the unity of NATO and the EU.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 24 December 2019 16: 52
      +5
      Quote: Victor March 47
      . This is, first of all, a wall-breaking machine to destroy the unity of NATO and the EU.

      The EU will buy gas from the Germans. What is this destruction? On the contrary, it strengthens the trade relations of member countries.
      NATO in general revolves in a different orbit, around the striped ones and the "Russian threat" is promoting so that striped LNG can sell their own, rather, this is the destruction of the unity of the EU and the United States, the Americans themselves contribute to this by showing a goat face to the Europeans.
      1. Brturin
        Brturin 25 December 2019 01: 11
        -1
        Quote: Gray Brother
        rather, this is the destruction of the unity of the EU and the USA, the Americans themselves contribute to this by showing the goat face to the Europeans.

        But before that, the Europeans dared
        It is absurd that Europe pays 80% of energy imports - € 300 billion - in US dollars, when only 2% of our imports come from the United States. It is absurd that European companies buy European planes for dollars, not for euros - Juncker September 2018

        And in December, a plan had already been developed - including including in the agreements with third countries on energy supplies the provision on the use of the euro as the default currency and ...
        Maybe now the states want including and show the EU who is the boss in the house ...
    2. Avior
      Avior 24 December 2019 17: 01
      +7
      Charsky both stood and stands in the bay of Nakhodka, they do not overtake him anywhere
      1. vitvit123
        vitvit123 24 December 2019 22: 29
        0
        So it’s not necessary yet. They have more information ..
    3. anjey anjey
      anjey anjey 24 December 2019 21: 12
      0
      The problem is not to overtake, but to certify this vessel according to European standards, (to buy and install equipment that will not be sold to us is sanctions). Certification will take six months (but no one will do it - sanctions), then insure (also, by the way, without options - sanctions), after receiving a new permission from the Danes - and shish to you, not the permission. It was more reasonable, in our situation, a month ago to purchase these three pipelayers from the Swiss - though they would have paid for them as if for 6 aircraft carriers. Otherwise, no options, sailed .....
  5. New Year day
    New Year day 24 December 2019 16: 33
    +15
    It turns out that 125 km will drag for 10 years? While they will design, while they will build, while they will test, and the pipe will rust at the bottom of the Baltic. In a week, 2 high-profile “successes” of Gazprom. And the GDP is afraid that they will be lured abroad! Who needs them there, sawmills and rakers. Puff out cheeks over the hill and local can laughing
    1. garrett
      garrett 24 December 2019 16: 40
      +2
      Russian pipe-laying barge Fortuna
      Read more: https://eadaily.com/en/news/2019/11/21/rossiyskiy-truboukladchik-podstrahuet-severnyy-potok-2
      1. alavrin
        alavrin 24 December 2019 16: 58
        0
        She does not have a dynamic positioning system. And without it, Denmark will not be allowed to work in its waters.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 24 December 2019 18: 32
          -6
          They will allow it - they won’t go anywhere.
        2. garrett
          garrett 25 December 2019 09: 57
          0
          She does not have a dynamic positioning system

          let's say .... and this is straight hi-tech in the modern world ???))))
    2. aleks26
      aleks26 24 December 2019 17: 47
      +5
      Quote: Silvestr
      And the GDP is afraid that they will be lured abroad! Who needs them there, sawmills and rakers.

      So maybe they are "abroad" and work! Then this is aerobatics!
    3. krillon
      krillon 24 December 2019 19: 50
      +2
      What came to mind .. Ship engines. 14 years came and it was not enough for the fleet, the brothers were offended. Engines for helicopters, ibid. The chassis for the Strategic Missile Forces, Belarus, is being sold today, tomorrow we will not agree with gas, to invent our own again. There was an article about cranes for shipyards recently, China put it, it’s also not profitable for us to build them, what about dry docks? And here is the pipe layer. And what is profitable then, to drive raw materials?
      1. nerovnayadoroga
        nerovnayadoroga 24 December 2019 21: 04
        0
        Absolutely, a pretty penny!
    4. vitvit123
      vitvit123 24 December 2019 22: 31
      0
      Well, if success were in quotation marks, then stocks on the exchange would not grow! And so everyone understands that so far no problems!
  6. alavrin
    alavrin 24 December 2019 16: 33
    +1
    China will build faster, they do not need to design. In addition, the contract with Ukraine is 5 years. This means its automatic renewal, if they do not meet the deadlines, and they do not meet.
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 24 December 2019 16: 37
    +8
    So it used to be, they will create a masterpiece of wooden architecture without one nail, and then: And nails ... nails ... forgot ...
    1. Maz
      Maz 24 December 2019 18: 17
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      So it used to be, they will create a masterpiece of wooden architecture without one nail, and then: And nails ... nails ... forgot ...

      Although you are a marshal, the example with nails is crappy, in my city of Novomoskovsk, Dnepropetrovsk region, there is such a church to this day, recognized as a UNESCO treasure. without a single nail, collected in a paw. gave the name to the city. When Catherine II saw her she said: "Lord, what a beauty, but this is new Moscow." the church belongs to the Moscow Patriarchate, like all parishioners.
      1. Vladimir M
        Vladimir M 24 December 2019 19: 46
        0
        Yes, there is such a church in Novomoskovsk
  8. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 24 December 2019 16: 40
    +10
    Subcolonies, by definition, do not have their own equipment.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 December 2019 18: 35
      -5
      Such equipment fuck is not necessary - as it will work once every 10 years.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 December 2019 20: 05
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        Such equipment fuck is not necessary - as it will work once every 10 years.

        Vadik, are the Swiss stupid or something, since they need equipment?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 24 December 2019 21: 36
          -1
          They occupied their niche in the form of gas pipeline services - and this office is private.
  9. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 24 December 2019 16: 41
    +3
    According to Rakhmanov, the design phase may take 1,5-2 years, another 3-4 years - the construction of the pipe-laying vessel.
    An optimist, however .... Build a floating city in six years without the experience of such projects? It’s easier for the Chinese to order and receive in three to four years the already completed unit, all the more such ships for the whole country need one or two for the foreseeable future ..
    1. Стена
      Стена 24 December 2019 17: 09
      +2
      Provided that Uncle Sam will not mind
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 24 December 2019 17: 09
        +1
        Quote: Wall
        Provided that Uncle Sam will not mind

        Will not mind what?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 24 December 2019 20: 07
          +3
          Quote: KVU-NSVD
          Will not mind what?

          Against the construction of pipe layers. There is always a risk of what happens with the Mistrals.
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 24 December 2019 18: 11
      -1
      And did anyone build offshore pipelines in China?
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 24 December 2019 16: 42
    +4
    a statement made by the head of the United Shipbuilding Corporation Alexei Rakhmanov regarding possible plans and timelines for the construction of a pipe-laying vessel in the Russian Federation.

    The vessel is very special, and gas pipelines, offshore, how much more do we need to build, for example ???
    To expect that it will then be freighted by everyone and everything, it is very doubtful if the minke whales fuss!
    We must wait, see how the epic ends with SP 2, and then think, plan.
    A versatile, multi-purpose vessel providing various work at sea, this is understandable.
    But it should be a very good vessel, ice class, because our interests are there, in the North.
    It will be very expensive, it is a FACT!
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 24 December 2019 17: 20
      +7
      Quote: rocket757
      We must wait, see how the saga ends with SP 2

      1. “Fortuna” pipe-laying barge - will not receive permission to work in the waters of Denmark, is not designed to work in windy weather, and even more so in a storm.
      2. “Akademik Chersky” pipe-layer - it is necessary to distill from the Far East.
      3. winter weather in the Baltic Sea is not ice, in addition, the pipes are plugged and thrown to the bottom to get time.
      4. after laying, it takes time to test the pipe and fill it with gas, they say 1.5 - 2 months.
      As a result, if there is a pipelayer, then the delivery of the branch is possible by the end of 2020. This is with the successful standing of the stars!
      Europe is satisfied with transit through Ukraine and the suspended situation with Nord Stream-2, since they have the ability to dictate terms to Gazprom. The EU has a backup infrastructure, the capacity of which even exceeds their potential demand for gas consumption. In addition, Europe has the opportunity to dispute the legal status of gas pipelines and the conditions of supply in its vessels, the decision of which the Russian concern cannot fail to enforce. Just because Gazprom needs to pump gas to Europe.
      Europe will have the opportunity to dictate how much gas to buy from Gazprom, and at what price. So all that is happening today is just a preparation to press Gazprom even harder.
      The longer the bootleg with SP-2, the longer the EU hangs up the maintenance of Ukraine in the Russian Federation, reducing its costs in this hopeless case. So Europe is in no hurry, especially since they did not invest a single euro in SP-2.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 24 December 2019 17: 59
        -1
        The power of Siberia2 is needed through Mongolia
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 24 December 2019 18: 40
          -3
          This project is under development until 2030 most likely to begin construction.
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 24 December 2019 20: 10
          +7
          When will the power of the Volga region reach us? recourse
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 24 December 2019 21: 38
            -1
            How Kazakhstan will get together with the project of a 14 billion cubic meter gas pipeline will be extended - but one connection at your expense.
          2. antivirus
            antivirus 25 December 2019 11: 31
            0
            code the power of Siberia 3 to build Australia
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 24 December 2019 18: 05
        +2
        Quote: Silvestr
        So Europe is in no hurry, especially since they did not invest a single euro in SP-2.

        DIFFERENT OPINIONS .... I propose just to wait and see the result.
        Interestingly, gas from JV 2 has been contracted from the end of next year for almost 100% of the volume .... somehow Gazprom plans to fulfill its obligations. We will see.
      3. vitvit123
        vitvit123 24 December 2019 22: 35
        0
        Europe has invested a lot in the joint venture, I had read about it before. There are 50% of their investment. Or do you intentionally cast a shadow over the mold?
      4. ROBIN-SON
        ROBIN-SON 26 December 2019 00: 00
        -1
        In short, Miller still has penalties on the cover. Breaking the contract. And any court other than ours will approve this decision. Got it Miller & Co. will not become impoverished. The people will pay.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 December 2019 18: 38
      -2
      In fact, SP 2, the penultimate pipeline at the Turkish Stream needs to be extended two more threads - it’s impractical to build a pipe-laying vessel for this purpose now Russia occupies 20% of the European LNG market and the volumes will grow - which means there are no more pipes along the sea bottom.
      1. anjey anjey
        anjey anjey 24 December 2019 21: 18
        -2
        We have already cut three threads of the Turkish stream .....
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 24 December 2019 21: 38
          -1
          Probably cut out of paper?
          1. anjey anjey
            anjey anjey 24 December 2019 21: 42
            -4
            Pipes, prepared, were cut for other needs.
            1. Nastia makarova
              Nastia makarova 25 December 2019 08: 35
              0
              stop trolling and writing nonsense
  11. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 24 December 2019 16: 42
    +6
    Rakhmanov would rather not say anything at all than to bear such nonsense.

    Russia has ships capable of completing this pipeline, including the Fortune barge and the Academician Chersky.

    It remains to complete 150 km at a depth of 30 meters, this can be done even with the help of divers.

    No one will wait for 6 years until Rakhmanov builds the pipe layer.
    1. cniza
      cniza 24 December 2019 16: 46
      +4
      No one will wait for 6 years until Rakhmanov builds the pipe layer.


      Of course they will not, he just wants money and orders, but is it profitable for us to have such an aggregate?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 24 December 2019 18: 10
        +2
        Quote: cniza
        But is it profitable for us to have such an aggregate?

        To have and be able to use as intended, this is a big difference. Moreover, striped can under fuss and you can not send him anywhere for hire.
        A universal utility vessel for work on offshore wells and pipelines, this may be necessary, but it is a special vessel, very expensive.
        1. cniza
          cniza 24 December 2019 18: 14
          +2
          That's just the point, and you can complete the SP-2 with the help of divers.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 24 December 2019 18: 30
            +2
            Quote: cniza
            That's just the point, and you can complete the SP-2 with the help of divers.

            I won’t guess, it’s not my topic, experts say that the matter will be done and not in the distant past. With a slight delay.
            1. cniza
              cniza 24 December 2019 19: 42
              +3
              This is beyond any doubt. yes
  12. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 24 December 2019 16: 42
    +5
    The head of USC added that today, as far as he knows, there are no free pipe-laying vessels in the world.

    Recall that Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, after the decision of the Swiss company to leave the construction area of ​​SP-2, said that Russia would still complete the pipeline. At the moment, it remains to lay about 125 km of pipe in the Danish area.
    And besides, no one wants to contact the United States in order to avoid sanctions. So it can and can be completed, but it’s not clear who and how ... As for our pipe layer with the Far East, it’s not clear what prevented it from being used earlier on such an important project for the Kremlin - there is a suspicion that not everything is so smooth, since the Swiss turned to . In general, the Yankees mocked, scaring the Swiss 150 km before the end of the work, you can’t say anything
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  14. NF68
    NF68 24 December 2019 16: 45
    +1
    It would not hurt to forget about the fact that providing for the full extent of American lawlessness is also not a simple matter. If all the other countries in the world had a real opportunity to react in the same way to American dirty tricks and nastiness, then the United States would also have thought more than once before shitting it on anyone. Until this is the United States and will behave in this way.
    1. maidan.izrailovich
      maidan.izrailovich 24 December 2019 16: 56
      +6
      .... to envisage American lawlessness in full is also not a simple matter.

      I agree .... but only if you are a layman sitting on the couch. And if you are the head of a national mega-corporation, then you must calculate and predict everything. And if you can’t, then make room for those who can.
      1. NF68
        NF68 25 December 2019 15: 33
        0
        Quote: maidan.izrailovich
        And if you are the head of a national mega-corporation, then you must calculate and predict everything. And if you can’t, then make room for those who can.
        Reply


        For this, the head of the mega corporation must have unlimited possibilities, which is simply unrealistic.
  15. Aliken
    Aliken 24 December 2019 16: 46
    +2
    A US lawsuit cannot be blamed for interfering in a business project, as a result of which commercial firms suffer losses. In the American court, and Basmanny.
    1. Yarr_Arr
      Yarr_Arr 24 December 2019 17: 04
      +3
      Can.
      Without even taking into account the result: the process will drag on for 10 years (they will help with this).
      And there it’s either donkey or padish
  16. jonny64
    jonny64 24 December 2019 16: 47
    -1
    Well, who will now complete these 125 km?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 December 2019 18: 41
      -4
      Certainly not you.
  17. knn54
    knn54 24 December 2019 16: 52
    +12
    PARADOX- Switzerland, which does not produce anything on its territory, has no access to the sea, has pipe-laying vessels along the bottom of the sea, and Russia, which sells resources, has only two vessels, of which ONE is suitable.
    But Rakhmanov knows WHERE to recruit QUALIFIED turners, milling machines, welders to work on
    ADDITIONAL equipment, there is no new one. Even for the repair of "Kuznetsov" there were no appropriate specialists.
    Yes, there is the Akademik Chersky ship. But again, are there any specialists?
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 24 December 2019 17: 02
      +9
      More than 400 merchant ships around the world now fly under the Mongolian flag, and generate income of more than $ 20 million a year. It would be necessary to strain the Mongol brothers to find a pipe layer and let them lay pipes under their flag ... I think they’ll have time laughing While the West will depart from the shock ... laughing
  18. maidan.izrailovich
    maidan.izrailovich 24 December 2019 16: 53
    0
    The head of the United Shipbuilding Corporation is entitled to all 100.
    And if you evaluate everything that is happening with Gazprom, it is obvious that his leadership is clearly not friendly with the strategy. Elementary things could not be calculated.
  19. Kamikaze19
    Kamikaze19 24 December 2019 16: 53
    -2
    Lord do not panic. No one will wait until the ship builds in 10 years. The Russian Federation has 2 pipe-laying vessels. One runs 1.5 km per day, which is 2 times worse than before. The second smaller one works at shallow depths only. Even with them you can finish. Moreover, there is nowhere to rush much. Plus, saipem is still a contractor, maybe they will muddle it
  20. Tavrik
    Tavrik 24 December 2019 16: 55
    +15
    Can't Kuznetsov be converted into a pipelayer? Nenuache? It barely walks, there is a lot of space for pipes on the deck and in the hangar, you just need to weld a slip for lowering the pipes. With the aircraft carrier fleet, it still somehow does not go well ... apparently, not ours ... Otherwise, everything will be useful. wink
    1. Mitya2424
      Mitya2424 24 December 2019 17: 16
      +4
      Too dangerous, a lot of welding and oversized pipes, I'm afraid 150 km will not be mastered
    2. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 24 December 2019 17: 35
      +4
      Quote: Tavrik
      it is only necessary to weld a slip for the descent of pipes.

      while the "slip" is boiled, the "Kuznetsov" will be completely burned ... recourse
  21. Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 24 December 2019 16: 56
    +2
    The author, but did not ask themselves the question- From what in the world only 4 firms have such a technique? Well, is it not because such works are limited both in geography and in volume? What to occupy this multi-million box when we do not have such work? By land to haul a stacker? We are a continental power, and our interests are concentrated mainly on land. Let’s finance the construction of this colossus at your expense?
    1. Serega82
      Serega82 24 December 2019 17: 38
      +11
      Then tell me why these 4 companies created stacker ships and it is beneficial for them, and the largest gas corporation engaged in the transportation of gas through pipelines is not profitable. Indeed, Gazprom, like no other, should be very interested in having such equipment at its disposal, especially for such cases. Gazprom only wants to receive profit with a minimum of investments, and that is why they ran into it. Although the troubles were predictable. A couple of years ago there was an article on VO (or a similar resource) stating that the biggest troubles for Gazprom would begin before finishing the work on laying joint venture 2 and in the comments, as I recall, the author was already defeated, proving that he was wrong, but it turns out , he looked into the water. By the way, I remember that he wrote at the end of the article that it would not work to complete sp2 (no one would undertake). Take popcorn, wait for the continuation ...
    2. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 24 December 2019 17: 41
      +1
      Quote: Victor March 47
      . Let’s finance the construction of this colossus at your expense?

      it’s better to steal ... then apologize and return ... in a couple of months. yes
  22. Svetlana
    Svetlana 24 December 2019 16: 56
    +1
    Why, why .. Elementary, Watson: too much government participation in business. The Great Business. As a result: Everything is decided by officials and, as a consequence of this, the slow development of the State.
  23. Ax Matt
    Ax Matt 24 December 2019 16: 57
    +9
    The more I hear people like Rakhmanov's "we will immediately start and ... do (from scratch) in 5 years ...", the more I want to pass a law on the free acquisition of weapons ...
  24. Karaul73
    Karaul73 24 December 2019 16: 57
    +3
    According to Rakhmanov, the design phase may take 1,5-2 years, another 3-4 years - the construction of the pipe-laying vessel.


    And all this time the pipe in the water should hang like something in the hole? Super duper is an effective manager!
  25. Avior
    Avior 24 December 2019 17: 00
    +2
    If what Rakhmanov says is true, then SP2, it turns out, has very big problems.
    6 years of construction of such a vessel only according to plan - a lot can change
    1. Mityay65
      Mityay65 24 December 2019 18: 28
      -1
      Rakhmanov is a little disingenuous. A ship can be found already built, bought and remade, for example, in Vyborg. New is not needed. We need a vessel with powerful crane mechanisms and a hull adapted for this.
      You can buy a project if you have gathered yours for 1,5 years. Hoisting equipment, which we do not have, can be ordered in China, such ships are being built there.
      Difficulties will be with an automatic line for welding and insulation of the pipeline, it will not be sold, most likely. China has not yet done such subtle things. We’ll have to come up with something ourselves.
      1. Avior
        Avior 24 December 2019 18: 31
        +2
        everyone also said about Fortuna that she would complete everything in two counts.
        but something the topic calmed down.
        while no real steps have begun, discussing something prematurely
        Chersky will go with the Far East, it will be immediately obvious.
        While standing still
        1. anjey anjey
          anjey anjey 24 December 2019 21: 24
          0
          It will not work - not a single company in the world will give him a certificate for such work.
          1. Mityay65
            Mityay65 24 December 2019 21: 36
            -1
            Quote: anjey anjey
            no company in the world will give him a certificate for such work.

            What is a certificate of completion?
  26. Operator
    Operator 24 December 2019 17: 01
    +1
    Fuck us another pipe-laying vessel, when at the construction site of the SP-2 there is already our pipe-laying barge "Fortuna" (which, by the way, is positioned using a set of selectable anchors much more reliably than the Dutch Pioneering Spirit with dynamic stabilization with thrusters in conditions of stormy winter Baltic).

    Moreover, according to the gas pipeline construction plan, Pioneering Spirit was not supposed to lay the final sections of the SP-2 in the coastal zone of Germany because of its large draft of 27 meters.

    PS Despite the threat of the application of American sanctions, Pioneering Spirit still has not left the Baltic Sea and anchored near the SP-2 highway laughing
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 24 December 2019 17: 29
      +3
      Quote: Operator


      PS Despite the threat of the application of American sanctions, Pioneering Spirit still has not left the Baltic Sea and anchored near the SP-2 highway laughing

      Probably there are heated and intense negotiations, and the Swiss are waiting for how it will all end.
    2. Avior
      Avior 24 December 2019 18: 17
      +6
      Pioneering Spirit leaves the Baltic Sea by 7,2 nodal course 244.

      here is his route recently

      clearly going away
      Draft, by the way, 13 m
  27. prior
    prior 24 December 2019 17: 10
    +8
    Dress Miller scuba gear - and to the Baltic bottom, the pipeline to make ....
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 24 December 2019 20: 26
      +3
      Quote: prior
      Dress Miller Scuba Diving

      Why scuba gear - through the same pipe and drive! laughing
  28. Lesorub
    Lesorub 24 December 2019 17: 14
    +3
    Western pressure may impede Nord Stream 2

    "Gazprom" hoped for "maybe it will pass" - but "Fate" in the person of the Partner - ordered otherwise - now the deadlines will be incredibly delayed, (obviously the leadership of "Gazprom" has something weak with logical thinking)))
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 24 December 2019 23: 16
      -2
      From the very beginning, Gazprom hoped for the Fritzian roof as an “insurance” against all existing and future problems. They hoped that if something happened, the "Fritzes" would decide themselves. Let's see, we can, that they "decide" ... still, not evening ....
  29. Alien From
    Alien From 24 December 2019 17: 21
    +2
    There is no hope to the west! How much can you step on the same rake !!!!
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  31. rusich
    rusich 24 December 2019 17: 33
    +2
    Dismiss the head of Gazprom and effective top managers without severance pay, so that they think and do not scuffle the population at 5,89 per m3 from the population
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 24 December 2019 23: 23
      0
      Dismiss the head of Gazprom and effective top managers without severance pay,

      Why "fire"? Pay, as is usually done, at the end of the year, under a hundred (or several hundred) million rubles of bonus ... lol
  32. Kibl
    Kibl 24 December 2019 17: 33
    -3
    Yes, everything would be type top, if the stripes did not commit another vileness. Well, nothing, God is not a fraer, he sees everything ....... 11/9 2.0
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  33. awdrgy
    awdrgy 24 December 2019 17: 33
    +2
    Again they hoped that "abroad will help us" (I mean foreign contractors) How many times have we already "got it" (
  34. Old26
    Old26 24 December 2019 17: 46
    +9
    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    It’s a pity that we have everything according to this principle. Seriously, by chance.

    Not at all. Just before the need for such courts was not. You could always conclude a contract and they will do it to you. It has now become clear that there is a need. In principle, Russia has several pipe-laying vessels, but of a sufficiently small displacement and not intended for such work (at depths). Well, building a fleet for yourself (no one has it; firms involved in such work usually have a fleet of 2-3 ships) is inexpedient. It’s the same as in order to transfer a unit load of 5-6 tons, you will buy KAMAZ for yourself, which you will use 1 time for the whole time. Such vessels should work. And with us with all this system of sanctions, hardly anyone will conclude contracts

    Quote: Silvestr
    It turns out that 125 km will drag for 10 years? While they will design, while they will build, while they will test, and the pipe will rust at the bottom of the Baltic.

    Why 10 years. Driving the Akademik from the Far East will take about 2 months (it is not clear whether through the NSR or around Asia). The laying speed is unknown, but even if we take the speed of "Fortuna" (1,5 km / day), the first line - 47 km can be laid in a month, and the second line - 70 km - for a koltor. They'll lay it down in three months. Plus the transition time - in total it will take about six months, but not 10 years
    1. Avior
      Avior 24 December 2019 18: 08
      +6
      and Fortune and Chersky while standing still and are not moving anywhere
      No one has convincingly indicated yet that they can do this particular job.
      1. Mityay65
        Mityay65 24 December 2019 18: 40
        -1
        Fortune started laying SP2 from the very beginning in Russian waters. And she did very well. In addition, Fortuna is declared for work in the Danish economic zone, among others.
        And about "Akademik" is not clear. He welds such a pipe diameter, but his technological line may need to be re-equipped: change the welding head, these pipes have a unique wall thickness. Perhaps, and most likely, it will be necessary to equip it with systems for diagnostics of a welded seam, this is X-ray, and isolating the zones of welded seams from the inside and outside. This can be a problem too.
        Or maybe not, it's all fortunetelling. And no one will tell us and rightly do it - the adversary does not need to know what the Gazprom people planned belay
        1. Tavrik
          Tavrik 24 December 2019 22: 13
          +5
          So I am afraid that it is simple for officials and patriots: "schA we will adjust and cook everything at once." And then boring techies, whom no one listens to in peaceful life, will come and tell something like: "there is a welding head, but not" that system ", but" that system "nobody will sell us" or they will sell it, but the work can be done only in the N port, which will not let us close for 10 miles and with the participation of the N company, which is also afraid of sanctions. And since things are one-of-a-kind, some kind of machine-device-device, which is made by one company in the world that does not want to quarrel with America, will definitely be necessary. Or two firms, but in order to use the machine-device-device from the second one you have to saw through half the ship. And all this time, money, fines.
          I am not at all an expert in this field, but I hope you understand the essence. The United States has clearly shown how national interests are defended in the 21st century without saber rattling. Without the use of the fleet, aviation and special forces, work was stopped. Financial instruments are the weapons of the 21st century. Well, maybe we will sue Switzerland, so what? We will be in litigation for years, and the Americans will drive them "for loyalty to democracy" some lucrative contract to cover possible losses.
          1. Mityay65
            Mityay65 24 December 2019 22: 51
            -1
            Quote: Tavrik
            The United States has clearly shown how state interests are upheld in the 21st century without saber rattling.

            Generally speaking. they don’t like the pressure on Europeans from their selfish interests, especially the Germans, well, Macron already declared the states as an economic adversary without hesitation. And the whole idea is quite sharply criticized, because in principle, the United States undermines the economic interests of the allies. And accordingly, they undermine the remnants of confidence in the United States.
            This is very dangerous for the interests of the United States and its friends in Europe, for example, Grandma Merkel is sharply criticized for her lack of will and pro-Americanism. The EU only decided to remove all the brown coal from the energy balance, replace it with gas, but here it is vile ...
    2. Xenofont
      Xenofont 24 December 2019 18: 19
      -1
      Yes, in the winter on the NSR may be even longer. The ice situation and the speed of the icebreaker are little predictable.
    3. maden.usmanow
      maden.usmanow 24 December 2019 18: 37
      0
      Academician Chersky belongs to Gazprom.
      The State Department has already announced that if this ship starts pipe laying, they will impose sanctions on Gazprom. Americans are not fools either.
  35. yfast
    yfast 24 December 2019 17: 47
    -1
    I will build a paver for 100 billion rubles.
  36. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 24 December 2019 17: 50
    0
    And what else could be expected from the management of Gazprom. There is also a bunch of "effective managers" ... laughing tongue wassat
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 December 2019 18: 49
      -2
      This collector of "effective managers" pays for 71% of Russian medicine and policies.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 December 2019 20: 34
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        This collector of "effective managers" pays for 71% of Russian medicine and policies.

        Do not crank Vadik, but read the reports on taxes and fees for the 18th and 19th years. There state-owned companies in the line other income 13%. Those. they are not even highlighted in a separate line. The bulk of the budget is made up of taxes, and Gazprom taxes, including of course. But this is only 13% of Gazprom’s profit, and certainly not 71% of medicine.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 24 December 2019 21: 32
          -2
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          this is only 13% of Gazprom’s profit

          Two in economics ... so how much did you buy a diploma, buddy? laughing
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 25 December 2019 07: 59
            0
            To Spain Kitty, to Spain. Do not forget to drop into Belgium along the way. wink
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 24 December 2019 21: 41
          -3
          These 13 percent of Gazprom taxes pay 71% of our medicine in the budget.
          1. Minato2020
            Minato2020 25 December 2019 03: 34
            0
            Quote: Vadim237

            These 13 percent of Gazprom taxes are paid
            71% of our medicine is on budget.


            Insurance medicine is paid by insurance companies.
            Contributions to the MHI Fund (compulsory medical insurance)
            do all citizens of the Russian Federation of working age every month.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 25 December 2019 15: 06
              -2
              They pay only 29% of the amount necessary for expenses, the rest is paid by Gazprom taxes.
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 25 December 2019 08: 02
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            These 13 percent of Gazprom taxes pay 71% of our medicine in the budget.

            Vadik, you should go to the FTS website and read the reports before replying. And then your answers look silly somehow.
  37. Al Asad
    Al Asad 24 December 2019 17: 50
    +1
    Quote: alavrin
    She does not have a dynamic positioning system. And without it, Denmark will not be allowed to work in its waters.

    there is a pipe-laying vessel "Akademik Chersky" with such a system, but it is located in the Russian Far East and is probably busy with something now
    1. Avior
      Avior 24 December 2019 18: 04
      +3
      busy with nothing
      standing in Nakhodka bay
      1. NKT
        NKT 24 December 2019 18: 19
        0
        He seems to be involved in the project for the development of the Yuzhno-Kirinskoye field.
        1. Avior
          Avior 24 December 2019 18: 23
          +2
          I watched during the day and yesterday, standing in the bay without movement.
          It may be involved, but in any case, for now, it’s premature to consider how long it will come and by what route and whether it will come at all.
  38. Puper driver
    Puper driver 24 December 2019 17: 54
    +4
    Do not think at least 1 move ahead with such showers, Well, it’s absolutely necessary to sniff.
  39. Escobar
    Escobar 24 December 2019 17: 55
    +3
    "The American thinks on the move, the German - standing, the Englishman - sitting, and the Russian - later." from
  40. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 24 December 2019 18: 01
    +2
    First, we begin to build "SP-2", then we think about our pipe layers. About the statement of the head of USC
    Who said what we think. We will buy all the services! fellow And then the sanctions. request The fleet of pipe layers should have taken care of them since the laying of SP-1 and Blue Stream.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 December 2019 18: 51
      -4
      Two more pipelines and these pipe layers will go to eternal parking, because now instead of pipes, they will carry and carry LNG by sea.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 24 December 2019 18: 59
        -1
        Quote: Vadim237
        Two more pipelines and these pipe layers will go to eternal parking, because now instead of pipes, they will carry and carry LNG by sea.

        Write nonsense. LNG is transported over "huge distances", only a pipe for thousands of kilometers. Did you look at the difference in the price of gas from the pipe and from LNG? We will still be throwing gas pipelines into Japan. From Sakhalin to the Far East.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 24 December 2019 19: 15
          -5
          Yes, but something Japan wants to invest in LNG terminals in the Far East - there will be no more pipe gas under the sea bottom.
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 24 December 2019 21: 09
            -1
            Quote: Vadim237
            Yes, but something Japan wants to invest in LNG terminals in the Far East - there will be no more pipe gas under the sea bottom.

            One another is not a hindrance. The price of pipe gas is more profitable. But LNG is more flexible in supply from alternative suppliers.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 24 December 2019 21: 42
              -3
              Russia will not build any pipelines anymore - Japan has LNG terminals.
              1. Mavrikiy
                Mavrikiy 25 December 2019 02: 59
                -1
                Quote: Vadim237
                Russia will not build any pipelines anymore - Japan has LNG terminals.

                forbid? request
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 25 December 2019 15: 09
                  -1
                  These pipelines are not needed because the Japanese LNG terminals have the entire infrastructure powered by them - I will not agree to any pipeline construction.
  41. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 24 December 2019 18: 02
    +4
    "In the end, everything goes according to the law of the genre: at first they started building, now they suddenly became concerned about the lack of their own ships capable of laying pipes along the seabed."
    Everything is right, everything is in our best traditions. We will not violate them.
    In addition, clever thinking comes afterwards! I have always maintained this. yes
  42. Old26
    Old26 24 December 2019 18: 06
    +2
    Quote: Lesorub
    "Gazprom" hoped for "maybe it will pass"

    If I had hoped, I would not have bought "Jascon-18". For the needs of Russia, most likely there are enough of those few pipe-laying vessels that are in operation
  43. Dikson
    Dikson 24 December 2019 18: 08
    +2
    Ah ah ah .. Why does our country need such a ship? To rot against the wall? After all this story, who would dare to work with Russia except the Chinese? Our "managers" are feverishly trying to cover their asses with selfless statements and ideas .. Russia will finish building, rebuild .. We are in the ring. The enemy is everywhere. This has an undeniable advantage - now we can attack in any direction! But the commanders do not think about the offensive, but about a warm place deep in the rear ..
    1. Mityay65
      Mityay65 24 December 2019 18: 56
      -4
      I also think that if this whole story ends with a corridor to the Romanian border, then I will forgive the Yankees ... fellow
  44. lopvlad
    lopvlad 24 December 2019 18: 09
    +2
    First, we begin to build "SP-2", then we think about our pipe layers.


    The USA could and can block SP-2 at any stage

    1) at the stage of laying an underwater gas pipeline (as now introducing sanctions against companies of owners of pipe-laying vessels)
    2) at the stage of pumping gas through an underwater gas pipeline (sanctions will be imposed against countries that buy Russian gas)
    3) at the stage of pumping gas through the onshore gas pipeline "Opal" (stupidly the EU will refuse Gazprom to purchase the gas pipeline capacity (it will not allow it to fill it by more than 25%, for example, under the threat of US sanctions)

    in Europe there are no and will not be sovereign countries able to say the USA is not and introduce counter-sanctions against them.
    And how many build or not build pipe layers there is only one result, until there are no sovereign states in Europe.
  45. Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 24 December 2019 18: 14
    +1
    Hmmm ...
    Two years for design, then four for construction. Total six.
    Then we will finish building Nord Stream 2.
    But what about the elevator to the moon?
    Could you think about the risks in advance?
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 24 December 2019 18: 29
      +6
      But what about the elevator to the moon?
      .... The elevator will be gone ... Trampoline. Cheaper. laughing
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 December 2019 18: 54
      -2
      Does the USC moonlight lift deal with? - No one will build new pipe layers in Russia, there are two and there will be enough of them.
  46. Xenofont
    Xenofont 24 December 2019 18: 15
    0
    And you can't hear the voices of the project partners! The Germans with the Austrians and the "macaroni" invested money in the construction, and what? Will they understand, forgive and give up? Or offer Gazprom to take the rap? Voshchem, "the silence of the lambs."
    1. Gost2012
      Gost2012 24 December 2019 19: 48
      0
      Their voice is that they "helped" Ukraine to reach an agreement with the SOE. And it was not planned to reach it, and even in this form - the United States is interested in problems with transit through Ukraine. Together with the failure to meet the deadlines for SP-2, transit troubles are what is needed to discuss a "long" contract with the EU for the supply of American LNG.
  47. Tavi
    Tavi 24 December 2019 18: 19
    +4
    you need to open LLC "Romashka", buy their pipelayer from the Swiss together with the team, lay the pipe, and sell the boat back to them.
    1. Mityay65
      Mityay65 24 December 2019 18: 45
      0
      Yes, and to do this not directly, but through Jews from Israel. Gesheft will be multilateral! It will be a corruption deal of the century - the FBI will catch participants for thirty years ... well, let it catch, we have our own business ... wink
    2. Tavrik
      Tavrik 24 December 2019 22: 19
      +1
      Well, finally, a sensible offer! Immediately obvious, the 90s were not in vain for you! laughing Plusanul.
  48. NICK111
    NICK111 24 December 2019 18: 28
    +3
    It seems that with the stubbornness of a sheep, Gazprom stupidly imposes its gas on the EU. To be a monopolist, and subsequently dictate the market conditions. Is management so stupid?
    The EU does not even bother to supply its beloved with blue fuel. What for? If the seller at his own expense pulls a pipe to your porch, then at least this seller is either not entirely adequate, or he has so much money, and he is 100% sure that they will take his goods and on his terms. Naivety? No, this is terry incompetence of top management. Inability to adequately perceive realities.
    1. Avior
      Avior 24 December 2019 18: 42
      +3
      any gas will be in Europe
      or through SP2, or through Ukraine
      Why should they strain a lot?
      If, through Ukraine, Ukraine makes a profit, Gazprom receives less, and a little less will receive five German firms.
      everyone else cares about it
  49. littoral
    littoral 24 December 2019 18: 34
    -5
    And why is there not a single comment that now Russia will have to bow to Ukraine in order to prevent the breakdown of contracts with its Western partners?
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 24 December 2019 19: 17
      +5
      Apparently because Russia does not need to bow to Ukraine in order to prevent the breakdown of contracts with its Western partners.
      As far as I have studied the issue of gas, it has been uploaded to the partner's repository above the roof. Moreover, it is argued that Gazprom is already interested in maintaining a little pace of injection.
      1. littoral
        littoral 24 December 2019 19: 52
        -5
        Quote: Benzorez
        As far as I have studied the issue of gas, it has been uploaded to the partner's repository above the roof.

        ABOUT! Another expert who "studied the question" in the thread! Tell us, then, how much is "above the roof" and for how many months will this "above the roof" be enough for Europe?
        Do not send to Google, I beg!
      2. Brturin
        Brturin 24 December 2019 23: 06
        -1
        Quote: Benzorez
        As far as I have studied the issue of gas, it has been uploaded to the partner's repository above the roof. Moreover, it is argued that Gazprom is already interested in maintaining a little pace of injection.

        Maybe you're right ...
        In October, the GIE monitoring association announced that stocks in European vaults are unprecedented 100,18 billion m3 of gas.

        And then November and warm December ....
        China holds barrier duties on US LNG at 25% and LNG has nowhere to go like an old Europe
        According to the ICIS consulting agency, in November, more than 2 million tons (more than 2,8 billion cubic meters) of LNG were delivered to Europe from the United States, and the United States beat even Qatar (about 2 million tons) in EU countries in terms of export volumes.

        and besides Qatar, Russian LNG also goes to Europe ... + pipeline deliveries Norwegians, Gazprom, thus taking gas from UGS facilities in large volumes so far ... and time is running out .... now the time of storms in the Baltic Sea and even the Swiss pipe layers have slowed down ... they did not drop the pipe, but carefully laid it in accordance with all the rules ... with Ukraine about transit agreed ... there may not be a big urgency in the completion of SP-2, they will wait until spring when the sea is calmer and the construction will go on ... how will we wait, see ...
        And Gazprom may increase supplies EUGAL is ready -
        The launch of Eugal will ensure a full load of Nord Stream-1. About 20 billion cubic meters of gas can be supplied through a new land gas pipeline, which was lost due to restrictions imposed due to Poland’s victory in court. m per year ”, - Director of East European Gas Analysis Mikhail Korchemkin
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 December 2019 19: 18
      -1
      Because no one is considering such bullshit, except for you.
      1. littoral
        littoral 24 December 2019 19: 58
        -5
        Quote: Vadim237
        Because no one is considering such bullshit, except for you.

        I am sure that Gazprom is already considering. You need to wait quite a bit when he voices it.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 24 December 2019 21: 45
          -3
          Consider this nonsense only you. The gas pipeline SP 2 will be completed by the summer, this is already 100% with the help of our vessels or others.
  50. K-50
    K-50 24 December 2019 18: 54
    +2
    We have no doubt that if there is an order, we will immediately proceed to the design and, accordingly, then to the construction of such a vessel.

    You don't have to design anything. Buy documentation from those who built early. Check it out and start building. Under the tsars, even warships were built this way, but here is a civilian pipelayer. save more time and money. And "for the soul" you can then design it.
    1. Tavrik
      Tavrik 24 December 2019 22: 22
      +1
      I’m afraid that everything is much more complicated. It turns out that some tricky machines, equipment, technologies, etc. are needed. I think such a vessel will be more complicated than the armadillo of the time of the REV.