The first new generation diesel-electric submarine launched in Turkey

The first submarine built in accordance with the modernized German project Type-214TN was launched in Turkey. The ceremony was held at a shipyard in the city of Gölcuk in northwestern Turkey, attended by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

The first Turkish diesel-electric submarine was named "Piri Reis" in honor of the Turkish navigator and cartographer from the time of the Ottoman Empire. The completion of the submarine will continue afloat, its introduction into the Turkish Navy is planned in 2022. In total, by 2027 Turkey should receive six Type-214TN diesel-electric submarines.

The construction of submarines is carried out in conjunction with the largest German shipyard HDW (Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft), the contract was concluded in 2009. Shares in production are divided as 80/20, where most are assigned to Turkey. HDW assembles only the basic body and mechanical components and some secret components, including fuel cells and propulsion systems. All electronic components and weapons systems are manufactured and installed in Turkey.

The Type-214TN project itself was developed on the basis of the German Type-214 submarines, which are the export version of the Type-212.

The length of the submarine is 65 meters, the total underwater displacement is 1860 tons. The boats are made using stealth technologies, equipped with a combined diesel-electric / anaerobic (VNEU on fuel cells) power plant. The declared duration of being under water is more than 10 days. Speed ​​under water - up to 20 knots, above water - 12 knots. Immersion depth - up to 400 meters.

Submarines of the Type-214 project are armed with eight 533-mm torpedo tubes, and can also set minefields.

Currently, the Turkish Navy is armed with 12 diesel-electric submarines of three types: Atilay, Prevez and Gyur. All of them are built according to the German project Type 209.

Comments

[Mavrikiy]

I have no desire to wish her "7 feet under the keel." Not allies, but fellow travelers. And that’s dumb.

[seti]

Quote: Mavrikiy

I have no desire to wish her "7 feet under the keel." Not allies, but fellow travelers.

So we have no allies and cannot be. There are real friends like Mongolia. There are friends like Kazakhstan. There are just friendly neighbors. But there are few of them. Basically, they demand something from us or beg. They are with us along the way, but in difficult times, they are of little use.

[bessmertniy]

It is strange that the Americans still did not put pressure on the Germans to slow down this joint project with the Turks as part of the sanctions against Turkey, that she bought the S-400 from us.

[Chaldon48]

They will also put pressure on both the Germans and the Turks, because by American standards, both of them began to "self-willed", which, according to the hegemon, is absolutely unacceptable.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: bessmertniy

It is strange that the Americans still did not put pressure on the Germans to slow down this joint project with the Turks as part of the sanctions against Turkey, that she bought the S-400 from us.

Who knows. Maybe they don’t have to put pressure on the Turks. How are things going in Syria. Coalition tomorrow may be the most fantastic.

[Pecheneg]

That's why you and the power, so that they would ask you something. Gruzdev called himself get in the body.

[Fedorov]

allies, and fellow travelers. request
So we have no allies and cannot be

So the allies - "Army and Navy. And I am ready to subscribe to this postulate of the imperial times".

[knn54]

Before you sign. Do not forget to add the videoconferencing and strategic missile forces. The 21st century, however, and, accordingly, FOUR allies.
In fact, the diesel-electric submarine is an underwater "minesag" with extended capabilities. THAT DOES NOT CREATE OPTIMISM.

[Pecheneg]

Yes, you do not have a fleet, at least above the surface.

[Sailor]

It is regrettable to read this, but to my great regret this is a prevailing fact. Yes, and the boats are not so hot, even among the Turks with VNEU, and the MPA was almost completely destroyed.

[TermNachTer]

As one of the Russian emperors used to say: "Russia has only two allies, its army and navy." Although the phrase of Admiral Tovey, which he said to Admiral Cunningham, after the defeat of France comes to mind: "Now we will definitely win - we have no more allies." Alas, the reaction of the ABS to this joke is unknown. Although Tovey may not have been joking.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Mavrikiy

I have no desire to wish her "7 feet under the keel." Not allies, but fellow travelers. And that’s dumb.

I agree. But, to be honest, the boat's performance characteristics are not bad, again anaerobic. We don't have such. True, they do not have "Caliber PL", and this is a big, minus for them.

[seti]

Not good news. Especially - "The boats are made using stealth technologies, equipped with a combined diesel-electric / anaerobic (VNEU fuel cell) power plant."
Turkey is seriously growing and this is alarming.

[Same lech]

Turkey is seriously growing and this is alarming.

This should be seen as normal in a new, changing world.
Russia is also slowly but surely getting on its feet and this also worries someone in Washington.
The question must be posed differently what are the goals of building up the forces of the Turkish submarine fleet ... where and how will the additional capabilities of the Turkish Navy be used ... maybe against the Greeks ... maybe against Israel or maybe against us ... our intelligence should give an exact answer about the intentions of Erdogan.

[Sky strike fighter]

Yes, there is no buildup, but rather a replacement for obsolete Turkish submarines .6 NAPL until 2027.

[Hunter 2]

Well, that’s it, the Turks are already launching boats from VNEU, the German ones are true installations. When will this installation appear in Russia?

[novel66]

following Mongolia! Hello, hello!

[Hunter 2]

Roma, a sad joke this time I don’t understand, if they cannot develop, they can also buy (it is unlikely that someone will sell the technology) unless to bribe someone ... why not steal? Around the world - industrial espionage is working.

[novel66]

but it doesn’t work for us, where is the GRU?

[Hunter 2]

Duck GRU in 2010 renamed! They are only brothers - periodically find and catch ... somewhere
Now they are the General Directorate of the General Staff!

[novel66]

let the Turks steal a boat and come to us

[Evgeniy667b]

Russia has gone too far into commerce, completely forgetting about its own interests and security! Okay, lately people started to shut up about the Indians. Yes, and about their own VNEU also quieted down. SKB "Rubin" screwed up, there is nowhere else, when only the general director there will be demolished due to worthlessness!

[Avior]

not yet evening

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday proposed returning the old name of the GRU to the Russian military intelligence - the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia.

The head of state said this, speaking to veterans and military intelligence officers at a ceremony in the Theater of the Russian Army. It is dedicated to the centenary of the GRU, which is celebrated on November 2.

[Oquzyurd]

The Turks have these technologies, not German, but their own. You can chemically with them about this.

[Altai72]

I agree, when the Turks had a fleet, the Germans rode kayaks, and the Italians handled.

[Axel]

Turks stupidly bought ready-made. If you had developed it yourself, then yes, it would have been worth the increased attention and praise.

[donavi49]

Well, they bought a customized project. And they build at home - with 80% of the boat being made in Turkey. 20% - in Germany.

[TermNachTer]

I want to note that VNEU is not a panacea for all diseases. These installations also have drawbacks, but they are kept silent about them, for advertising purposes.

[cost]

Diesel-electric submarine "Type-214TN
Main characteristics
Displacement: 1.690 t above water / 1.860 t underwater
Dimensions: length 65 m / width 6.3 m / average draft 6 m
Robust housing: HY-100 [17]
Armament: 8 × 533 mm TA, 4 with the ability to launch UGM-84 Harpoon
Propulsion system: low-noise screw with reverse bend
Diesel engines: 2 x MTU 16V-396 (3.96MW)
Charging generators: 2 x Piller Ntb56.40-10 0.97 MW
Air-independent engine: 2 x HDW PEM BZM120 fuel cell modules (120kW x 2) [18]
Electric motors: 1 x Siemens Permasyn (2.85MW)
Speed: 12 knots on the surface / 20 knots underwater
Fuel cell speed: approximately 2-6 knots
Surface Range: 19.300 km
Underwater range: 780 km at 8 knots
Range on fuel cells: 2.310 km at 4 knots
Hiking Duration: 12 weeks
Dive time without snorkel: 3 weeks
Immersion depth: more than 250 m official, 400 m maximum
Team: 5 officers + 22 lower ranks
Navigation Radar: 4-kW SPHINX-D and LPI Tactical Radar

[kapitan92]

Dmitry.
Let's compare the performance characteristics

What "catches" the eye.
We have 45 days of sailing autonomy.
We have 6 torpedo tubes
We have a team of 52 people, they have 27 people.
Max. the depth of immersion with us is 300m; they have 400m

[Stas157]

This despite the fact that the displacement of the Turks is half as much! I was also surprised that even the Turks of VNEU had already done it. And we only have about 10 years of news about what will happen.
An occasion to reflect and look at yourself from the side.

[Avior]

There is still no main thing - the range under water without diesel engines

[TermNachTer]

I'm embarrassed to ask, what the hell in the Black Sea, and even in Mediterranean, 84 days autonomy? Where are they going to sail with such autonomy? Even 45 days of "Varshavyanka" are clearly superfluous.

[Mountain shooter]

Serious boat. We don’t have one yet. Alas.

[kapitan92]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Serious boat. We don’t have one yet. Alas.

The price of DPL Type 214 million bucks in 330 prices. Given inflation, a fine paid by Gazprom on the outskirts, it was possible to buy or make 2008 boats at home.
So, compared, for yourself!

[Pecheneg]

Not frail among the Turks in the military-industrial complex, however. Perhaps soon the Turks will show their true intentions. I feel, just like Nostradamus - to be a big war in the BV and the Balkans.

[Sky strike fighter]

Here, it’s more likely not among the Turks of the military-industrial complex, not pleading with their dignity, but among the Germans. 214 TN export modification of project 212.

In July 2009, Turkey concluded with the largest German shipyard HDW (Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft) on the joint production of six submarines of type 214 TN. At least 80% of the work on the creation of submarines was assigned to the Turkish defense industry, the remaining 20% ​​to the German company. HDW assembles only the basic body and mechanical components and some secret components, including fuel cells and propulsion systems. All electronic components and weapons systems are manufactured and installed in Turkey.

Submarines are equipped with modern torpedo systems, can destroy static enemy targets on land, set minefields, and also launch missile strikes.

https://www.trend.az/world/turkey/3167535.html

[rocket757]

What to say. Turks are building their FORCE!
There will be power; no one will give them a decree.

[cniza]

Erdogan does not step back a step from his program.

[rocket757]

But what about! Hope for NATO, but don’t be bad!
Moreover, he trampled on many of his favorite calluses, and he is unlikely to change his habits for the future.

[Kerensky]

Hm! 27 crew members .... How interesting is it with the shift workers?

[cniza]

Apparently the minimum number of posts, it seems no more than four.

[Kerensky]

Apparently the minimum number of posts, it seems no more than four.

This is strange. Is it okay to handle a boat from four posts? One in the car, three on the CPU?

[We_smart]

Steering, watch, hydroacoustic, mechanic. 4 posts x3 = 12 people. And most likely 3 more people are involved in boat rounds in the interests of survivability, KK and Starp on the commander's shift.
In total, about 17 people are on permanent duty, the remaining 10 are in working mode and with increased BG.

[Evgeniy667b]

According to the project 705 "Lyra" the crew was no more, the boats were called Automata. A very valuable topic for further development, and monsters will become a thing of the past.

[cniza]

The first Turkish diesel-electric submarine was named "Piri Reis" in honor of the Turkish navigator and cartographer of the Ottoman Empire.

Erdogan clearly follows his dream ...

[Alien From]

Turks are already riveting boats ...... where the world is heading ???

[New Year day]

Quote: Alien From

where is the world going ???

Armed. Who did not have time, he was late

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Alien From

Turks are already riveting boats ...... where the world is heading ???

Pay Germany as Turks or France as Brazilians and even if you don’t master all the technologies for the production of diesel-electric submarines, you can jointly produce them with the country that designed this diesel-electric submarine. There would be money and desire.

[Alien From]

They are not reliable partners, Mistral as an example ... YOUR decisions must be!)

[Escobar]

So Makar, soon Varshavyanka will cease to interest potential buyers, against the background of more advanced boats

[Sky strike fighter]

There is an export modification of the submarine Lada. Amur is called.

[Escobar]

How is it fundamentally different from boats, replenishing our fleet? And if she is a competitor to the best world analogues, why doesn’t she come to us?

[Sky strike fighter]

It differs by the Vertical Start Settings on the export Amur. Two serial advanced frets for the Russian Navy are being built. As soon as they are completed, they will go into service with us. The project is new.

[Escobar]

Even they do not have an air-independent power plant, they are good, as long as you do not need to float to recharge the batteries. And after that it’s a tidbit for PLO forces

[DMB-2020]

Let the Turks get big with new technology and spend money on research and improvement. And then we use this technology - scratch-and-pinch and use it without any problems!

[Escobar]

Of course, they took it out to you on a silver platter. + There is such a thing as intellectual property

[awdrgy]

The question is how will this help them in solving the "pressing" problems of Turkey? They will play "imperial" politics until they overstrain (the strengths are not the same)

[Adimius38]

Well, well done, not that ours is launched by the ancient Warsaw

[Mentat]

Quote: Stas157

This despite the fact that the displacement of the Turks is half as much! I was also surprised that even the Turks of VNEU had already done it.

What place did you read? VNEU is supplied by the Germans as a secret component and naturally they are not going to transfer such technologies to Turkey.

[Mentat]

Quote: kapitan92

Dmitry.
Let's compare the performance characteristics

What "catches" the eye.
We have 45 days of sailing autonomy.
We have 6 torpedo tubes
We have a team of 52 people, they have 27 people.
Max. the depth of immersion with us is 300m; they have 400m

It is striking that you intentionally distort information.

Varshavyanka is bigger and heavier, because it carries significantly more weapons. TA 6, but the supply of torpedoes is 18 versus 12. Plus Caliber launchers, which translates Varshavyanka into another class of submarines, plus air defense, which the German project does not have at all.

[Pechkin]

Triggering calibers is true, but give the Turkish submariners a stinger or something more modern.

[Escobar]

Additional launchers of calibers on export cupids, we do not have them

[Escobar]

On our submarines air defense is MANPADS

[Grad-Xnumx]

Well done Turks!

[Mentat]

Quote: Eskobar

Additional launchers of calibers on export cupids, we do not have them

Do not write nonsense.

 The latest submarine of project 636.3 launched a missile strike on terrorists from underwater position.

https://tvzvezda.ru/news/krasnaya_zvezda/content/201512240901-ynir.htm

Modern Warsaw women are missile carriers capable of working on ground targets, it makes no sense to compare them with a simple light German export project boat.

[Escobar]

The calibers are launched on our Warsaw women from torpedo tubes. I see your competence at the level of cheers for patriotic viewers fanning from the channel "star"