In Chinese Sohu: The crash of the Su-57 will eclipse plans for the development of new generation fighters in the Russian Federation


The first publications appeared abroad with comments on the fact of the fall of the T-50 (Su-57) fighter in the Khabarovsk Territory. Recall that the plane crashed about 120 km from the factory test aerodrome of Komsomolsk-on-Amur during a test flight. The pilot catapulted, there are no threats to his life.


One of the first to react to the fall of a fifth-generation fighter in Russia was China. While state-owned television companies and print media outlets are holding back restrained opinions about what happened during the tests near Komsomolsk, the Sohu portal is traditionally distinguished by loud statements.

The author on the mentioned resource writes that this is the first crash of the new generation Russian fighter, and adds:

This crash will overshadow the plans for the development of new generation fighters in Russia.

In this case, there is no reference to the fact that we are talking about a test flight, the author in Sohu initially does not.

Further, the author tells Chinese readers that one of Russia's problems in creating the Su-57 was underfunding.

From the article:

At one of the stages of the program’s implementation, Russia had to bow to India in order to financially support the project. At the same time, Russia said: I want you to pay, but I will not share technologies with you. As a result, India withdrew from the project.

This tirade speaks of only one thing: the author of a publication on a Chinese resource has no idea about the reasons why India officially left the joint FGFA project.

In the same article, the author writes about the Su-57 as an aircraft of the “4 +++” generation (3 +++ in the Chinese version) and calls on Russia to thank India for the fact that “in its time, it worked together to increase the efficiency of the ejection system ".

From material with outright scolding:

And India has a wealth of experience in bailout pilots.
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  1. Lord of the Sith 24 December 2019 11: 52 New
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    Poison is sprayed. They themselves are silent about their schools.
    And only he who does not fly does not fall.
    1. kjhg 24 December 2019 11: 57 New
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      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      Poison is sprayed.

      There is nothing surprising in this. Journalists s.
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      They themselves are silent about their schools.

      Maybe we should behave more restrained? I mean, maybe the president didn’t need to be promoted on the day of the first flight of the T-50, and the military and military-industrial complex leaders announced grandiose procurement plans? In Soviet times, the latest developments were kept secret. They were learned about them only when they were already taken into service. Today the exact opposite is true. Armata, Sarmat, Su-57, Boomerang and so on, and so on, began to be promoted before the start of development. And after the production of single copies, they began to be dragged around in parades and exhibitions, to remove propaganda "polygons". It was at the exhibition that there was a fire on the fifth side of the T-50-5, on which the first radar stood.
      1. Lord of the Sith 24 December 2019 12: 00 New
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        Here I agree, one must be more restrained. But then they will stink - Where is the freedom of speech, what kind of totalitarianism, etc.
        1. knn54 24 December 2019 12: 05 New
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          Well, at least they did not remember about yesterday the Day of Long-Range Aviation of the Russian Federation. And then the pilot would have got it.
        2. Sidor Amenpodestovich 24 December 2019 12: 12 New
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          In any case, they will stink. They don’t even need a reason, they’ll invent it themselves. Comme d'habitude. I apologize for my French.
          1. kit88 24 December 2019 14: 15 New
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            Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
            In any case, they will stink

            Okay, the Chinese.
            Our fifth column woke up and went to write with a crooked pen, understanding airplanes as "a hare in geometry (s)"
            The tape writes.

            Su-57 can not be considered a fifth generation fighter.
            The reasons:
            The first is the actual ignoring of stealth technologies, for this it is enough to compare the technological allowances on the American (F-22 adopted as the standard) and Russian aircraft.
            The second is the lack of a serial engine of the second stage.

            Enough to compare, then TECHNOLOGICAL ALLOWANCES.
            Just. Now the average person can easily compare it. Affftor at least represents what he writes.

            Well, that's who such an author works for.
            1. Nkv3 24 December 2019 14: 49 New
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              Those. You want to say that we have a serial engine of the second stage?
              Wasn’t he, by chance, tested in today's flight?
              Did he demonstrate the quality of the series?
              1. kit88 24 December 2019 14: 56 New
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                You, as an expert, tell me please, what does the 2 stage engine have to do with categorizing an airplane. What can it and can not the engine of the 1st stage because of which it is impossible to rank the Su-57 in the 5th generation?
                1. Nkv3 24 December 2019 15: 33 New
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                  To begin with, I would like to duplicate my question.
                  Do we have a second stage serial engine?
                  The one, due to the lack of which India left the joint project?
              2. Horace the Philosopher 25 December 2019 13: 13 New
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                Putin promised Erdogan to sell the Su57! Now probably decide to buy
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          2. parkello 24 December 2019 17: 12 New
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            Journalists distort. since they themselves cannot intelligibly and intelligibly write, bone-speaking and dementia do not allow. Well, the fifth column fulfills its dividends. even give them the finished text, just rewrite it, and there they will manage to make 4 mistakes in each word. and the author will be to blame .. you see the curve writing ...
          3. Smirnov Vadim 25 December 2019 06: 16 New
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            DOESN'T MISS THE MILITARY REVIEW OF THE ARTICLE WITH SOKHU) ORIGINAL)


            You didn’t mix anything up? Guancha and Sohu - is there a difference?

            https://www.guancha.cn/military-affairs/2019_12_24_529331.shtml
            https://www.sohu.com/a/362454015_587233?spm=smpc.home.mil-pics.2.1577176177225ciFe50v&_f=index_milfocus_1
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        1. Lipchanin 24 December 2019 12: 40 New
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          Quote: y ℒiƒℯ
          how many zircons will be dumped on New York and how many states one avant-garde will cover.

          On your nest of "children of officers from the Crimea" one noise-lightning grenade is enough to spread its diarrhea throughout the "independence"
        2. Errr 24 December 2019 14: 24 New
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          Quote: y ℒiƒℯ
          Well, they are trying for you.
          No, Mulife. This is just a Chinese scribe ...
      3. Tzar 24 December 2019 12: 13 New
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        In Soviet times, it didn't seem to be as much time between development and the beginning of exploitation in the troops as it is now. For example, for Mig-31 ~ 13 years. Current projects do not have the same pace; if they are silent for 20 years, then taxpayers and all-proponents will have questions ...
        1. Finn 24 December 2019 12: 56 New
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          All-crawlers are they independent of circumstances and will always be, but is someone interested in the opinion of taxpayers? Well, let’s say I have an opinion and questions - what should I do with this? Write a comment about this in the VO option, but not enough. Any other suggestions?
        2. Lipchanin 24 December 2019 13: 18 New
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          Quote: Tzar
          In Soviet times, it didn't seem to be as much time between development and the beginning of exploitation in the troops as it is now. N

          You did not confuse the PO-2 with the Tu-160?
          What about a scooter with a Formula 2 car?
          1. Tzar 24 December 2019 13: 26 New
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            Quote: Lipchanin
            Quote: Tzar
            In Soviet times, it didn't seem to be as much time between development and the beginning of exploitation in the troops as it is now. N

            You did not confuse the PO-2 with the Tu-160?
            What about a scooter with a Formula 2 car?

            I cited as an example the MiG, which was the first Soviet fighter of the 4th generation and which set more than one record and is still a serious weapon. Is it really so incomparable with the Su-57 project?
            1. max702 24 December 2019 13: 49 New
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              Quote: Tzar
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Quote: Tzar
              In Soviet times, it didn't seem to be as much time between development and the beginning of exploitation in the troops as it is now. N

              You did not confuse the PO-2 with the Tu-160?
              What about a scooter with a Formula 2 car?

              I cited as an example the MiG, which was the first Soviet fighter of the 4th generation and which set more than one record and is still a serious weapon. Is it really so incomparable with the Su-57 project?

              With each generation, the costs of both resources and time grow by an order of magnitude .. The task is greatly complicated by this despite the new tools and opportunities, the development process is delayed and more expensive .. here you have given an example with Mig 13 years old, and remember how the characteristics changed dramatically during the Second World War the planes for several months .. and then how did they switch to a new generation, the process began to take years and more and more slowed down, began to work worse? Well, if only partly, but the main problem is the complexity of those opportunities that are unfortunately not enough in stock. Alas, we don’t see anything fundamentally new; there’s a technology update of the 30-40s .. Therefore, for a long time there are no breakthroughs .. Although the technology of the 3+ generation cannot compete with 4+, let alone 5 ..
              1. Roman070280 24 December 2019 14: 14 New
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                With each generation, the costs of both resources and time grow by an order of magnitude ..
                About the costs right .. I don’t agree about the time ..
                The first FAAs were much more difficult to create .. later on everything went much faster .. ICBMs, satellites, AMSs, first space flights, then 1 people, spacewalk, moon exploration .. If by 3 years, even the pilots struggled to communicate with each other in an air battle, then after a little more than a dozen years, communication systems reached other planets .. Telescopes like Hubble turned their eyes on the universe, although until recently it seemed that our galaxy was the only one ... Microelectronics - over the past couple of decades, she’s done just crazy a breakthrough that you no longer have time to follow ..

                In this article and subsequent interviews, he calls the dates of the flight to the moon - not earlier than 1969 and no later than 1975. Von Braun's forecast turned out to be accurate. Under his leadership, all six American expeditions to the moon were made between 1969-1972. But with regard to other expeditions, von Braun was too optimistic. He wrote:

                “The first human missions to Venus can be carried out by 1975, if sufficient loans are allocated and all industrial means are used for this purpose. For the first landing on Mars or on one of its moons, it will be necessary to wait for the 80s ...
                ... The journey to the moon under the Apollo program is simply an intelligence mission, similar to the one carried out by the army, before entering an unknown territory. After the Apollo program, the actual conquest of space will begin. ”


                The Americans lagged behind the Union in space until Kennedy announced a historic decision, and the allocation of funds for this !! And it worked !!
                I think that von Braun was not much mistaken at the expense of Venus / Mars (because he was not a science fiction, but like no one else really understood human capabilities) .. the only question is proper financing ..
                1. Rusj 25 December 2019 05: 43 New
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                  No one has proven that Amers were on the moon! Nobody officially and most importantly materially and visually! Just do not understand video editing. Well, now they don’t fly there after more than 50 years. A rocket with a dvigl can’t be built for how many years of a decade. They have already for this time the city should be under the domes.
                  Already got with this moon.
                  1. Roman070280 25 December 2019 10: 15 New
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                    No one has proven that Amers were on the moon!

                    And nobody here is going to prove anything to you ..

                    Well, now they don’t fly there after more than 50 years. A rocket with a dvigl can’t be built for how many years of a decade. They have already there during this time the city should be under the domes

                    After more than 50 years, we are not sending anything to Mars, or to Venus, or even to the moon ..

                    A rocket with a dvigl can’t be built for how many years of a decade.


                    Space telescopes:
                    Hubble is a space reflector telescope. (USA).
                    James Webb - Orbital Infrared Observatory (NASA, ESA, CSA).

                    Automatic interplanetary stations:
                    "Pioneer" - a program for the study of the moon, interplanetary space, Jupiter and Saturn. (USA)
                    Voyager is a giant planetary exploration program. (USA)
                    “Mariner” - studies of Venus, Mars and Mercury. (USA)
                    "Mars Express" - an artificial satellite of Mars, the landing of the Mars rover "Beagle-2". (ESA)
                    Galileo is a study of Jupiter and its moons. (NASA)
                    Cassini is a study of Saturn, its rings and moons. (NASA, ESA, IKA)
                    Huygens is a probe for studying the atmosphere of Titan. (ESA)
                    “Rosetta” - a spacecraft landing on the nucleus of comet Churyumov-Gerasimenko (ESA)
                    MESSENGER - Mercury Research (NASA)
                    Magellan - A Study of Venus (NASA)
                    New Horizons - A Study of Pluto and its Satellites (NASA)
                    Venus Express - Venus Exploration (ESA)
                    Mars Atmosphere and Volatile Evolution - an artificial satellite to study the atmosphere of Mars (NASA)

                    Space probes for studying the sun:
                    The "Solar Probe" is a study of the Sun, its corona and magnetic fields (NASA).
                    “Observatory of Solar Dynamics” - the study of the Sun and understanding of its impact on the Earth and near-Earth space by studying the solar atmosphere (NASA).
                    SOHO - study of the state of the solar atmosphere, the activity of solar corona and wind (ESA, NASA).

                    Landing Modules:
                    InSight - the study of the internal structure and composition of Mars (NASA).
                    Mars Scout - NASA's Mars exploration space program:
                    Phoenix - soil research in the polar region of the planet.
                    Mars Pathfinder - Photographing, Weather Research (NASA).

                    Mars rovers:
                    Mars Exploration Rover - NASA's Mars exploration program:
                    “Spirit” - the study of sedimentary rocks in craters (Gusev, Erebus and adjacent);
                    “Opportunity” - the study of sedimentary rocks in craters (Guseva, Erebus and adjacent).
                    Martian Science Lab - Mars Study Program (NASA):
                    Curiosity - Get detailed information about the geology and climate of Mars.
                    Mars Pathfinder - NASA program for testing technical solutions for cheap surface landings:
                    Sojorner - study of the composition of the rocks.

                    Orbital stations:
                    Mars Global Surveyor - surface mapping, relay data from Mars rovers to Earth (NASA).
                    "Mars Odyssey" - the study of the geological structure, the search for minerals and the relay of data from Mars rovers (NASA)

                    I think for the first time it’s enough .. the untrained brain of the surplus of new information may not be able to withstand ..))
                    Or maybe I'm wrong, and you have a list with the achievements of Russia there is more .. (please do not include the sale of Soviet engines to the amer in the list of achievements)

                    Already got with this moon.
                    Drink poison, calm down ..))
                    1. Horace the Philosopher 25 December 2019 13: 27 New
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                      Roman bravo !!! I applaud you standing !!! Rarely in VO you will meet people with a sober head and amazing logic! Something we don’t grab today!
                  2. EvilLion 25 December 2019 11: 27 New
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                    And do you know that they then distributed stones from the Moon to very many, including Soviet scientists, and no one had any questions? But you doubt further. And now they don’t fly, because
                    a) What for now nobody needs it.
                    b) They have Elon Musk, he has already been promising them a new missile longer than from the end of the Second World War to the flight of Gagarin.
                    1. Timx 6 January 2020 17: 06 New
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                      Leonov and Grechko assured everyone that they saw with their own eyes the aliens (“they swore it with their mother”), what are the objections to the Americans - they, until the last days of their life, they drove them “twice a year” for treatment and rest “for free” together with his kindred ..
                  3. Ultimus 25 December 2019 15: 34 New
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                    It is enough to watch one of the editions of “scientists against myths” so as not to relay frankly embarrassing thoughts.
                    21 century, and in the minds, as before, the Middle Ages.
                    Simple suggestive questions:
                    1. In what year did man first visit the pole, and in which he did it again?
                    2. In what year did the person visit the bottom of the Mariana Trench, and in which year did it again?
              2. Horace the Philosopher 25 December 2019 13: 16 New
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                You don’t say this to Ilon Mask, otherwise he doesn’t know that it takes decades to develop! And then from scratch in a couple of years he began to shoot rockets using modern technologies to reduce development and implementation time
                1. Timx 6 January 2020 17: 14 New
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                  You can immediately see the `` philosopher '' hammering a nail into the wall with a 3D printer in his wet dreams)))
              3. Timx 6 January 2020 17: 25 New
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                The MiG-31 is essentially a deeply modified MiG-25: the glider was modified by lengthening for two full crew seats, an influx in front of the wing was added (forced) + numerous `` technological moments '' that were not visible to the layman's eye - all this led to weighting and decrease in its flight qualities; the engines are basically the same D-30 (from IL-76) with the introduction of afterburner and the alteration of the cop and nozzle by the forces of the tiny TMKB `` SOYUZ '' team (Turaevo); from a completely new one - only the Barrier radar with a PFAR, a communication (guidance) system and a R-33 missile ..
            2. EvilLion 25 December 2019 11: 24 New
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              13 Years and 19-20 are not such a big difference, the PAK FA started in 2001 and apparently went sluggishly until the mid-2000s.
        3. Vadim237 24 December 2019 14: 27 New
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          In these tests, dozens of aircraft were lost, along with the pilots.
        4. at84432384 25 December 2019 01: 13 New
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          No, much more than 13 years. Then they really tried not to advertise new developments. Here civilians did much faster, but the requirements presented to them do not change so quickly in time.
        5. Horace the Philosopher 25 December 2019 13: 21 New
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          In the USA, the lunar program was launched in 1962, and the first rocket to the moon left in 1969! It took less than 7 years! And this is not a plane to develop, they created an entire industry from scratch here!
          1. max702 27 December 2019 09: 26 New
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            And this is not a plane to develop, they created an entire industry from scratch here!

            Come on, the movie industry has been working for a long time ...
      4. Pup1 24 December 2019 12: 19 New
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        There is no super need for these weapons ... they showed the availability of technology ... if necessary, everything goes into production ... for Israel and the USA ... the availability of technology is critical .... for us there is ... there are simple cheap reliable yars. ..
        1. NEXUS 24 December 2019 13: 57 New
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          there are simple cheap reliable yars ...

          This is exactly what our helmsmen argue for. And if there are not enough Yars, then there will be Vanguard, Poseidon and Sarmat. And the rest of the weapons can be used and the Soviet, since who will climb a country that has strategic nuclear forces? Everything would be fine, but only the Kremlin, how our army and navy are re-equipped and renewed are called the rearmament program with a big word.
          1. NN52 24 December 2019 19: 34 New
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            NEXUS (Andrey)

            Another bzik you have about "OUR BATON NUCLEARS"?
            Do you even look at your leisure ("sick"), what military equipment is entering the troops ....
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              Quote: NN52
              Another bzik you have about "OUR BATON NUCLEARS"?
              Do you even look at your leisure ("sick"), what military equipment is entering the troops ....

              I look .. and I see that this is not real rearmament. There is a Soviet modernization, and a little new is being given. And this is since 2000. Well, you know how to push slogans ... forward.
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                NEXUS (Andrey)

                Fir-trees-sticks .... (are you "sick" or something ...), what are the slogans? Well, look at the statistics of the receipt of new equipment in the troops ....
                Well, you give a pancake .....
                How much can you pass yourself off as an ignoramus? What for? Self-flagellation - original?
                Rzhu)))
              2. EvilLion 25 December 2019 11: 38 New
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                That is, 300+ new “dryers” when the air forces of the leading NATO countries degraded to about 150 aircraft - is that a bit? You have problems with logic, comrade.
        2. DED_peer_DED 24 December 2019 16: 13 New
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          There is no super need for these weapons ... they showed the availability of technology ... if necessary, everything goes into production ... for Israel and the USA ... the availability of technology is critical .... for us there is ... there are simple cheap reliable yars. ..

          And factories, and workers - engineers, and allies - complete equipment, and knowledge - experience, and a design school, and ...... "if necessary," and most importantly - all at once, by a wave of the "main", will appear.
      5. Lipchanin 24 December 2019 12: 37 New
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        Quote: kjhg
        I mean, maybe the president didn’t need to be promoted on the day of the first flight of the T-50, and the military and military-industrial complex leaders announced grandiose procurement plans?

        What does PR have to do with it?
        Nowhere else do prototypes fall?
        Read carefully which car fell
        Recall that the plane crashed about 120 km from the factory test aerodrome of Komsomolsk-on-Amur during a test flight.

        Is this a production car?
        1. kjhg 24 December 2019 12: 40 New
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          Quote: Lipchanin
          What does PR have to do with it?

          Pure PR.
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Is this a production car?

          You are behind the news. Already Interfax reported that the first production board crashed, which, according to the contract, were to be handed over to the VKS in a week.
          1. Golovan Jack 24 December 2019 13: 00 New
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            Quote: kjhg
            Interfax reported that the first production board crashed, which under the contract in a week should have been delivered to the VKS

            This is how rumors are born. We read carefully:

            The fighter belonged to the branch of PJSC "Company" Sukhoi "" KnAAZ them. Yu.A. Gagarin. This week, the Russian Defense Ministry should receive the first production Su-57

            Where does it follow that the one that the MO should receive was crashed?

            Right, out of nowhere yes

            Oh yes:
            1. littoral 24 December 2019 13: 26 New
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              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Where does it follow that the one that the MO should receive was crashed?

              From the silence of MORF. Do you want to argue? wink
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              2. Horon 24 December 2019 14: 12 New
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                And here is MO ??? This is a factory product for testing! It does not even belong to the MO! So with what fright should the MO be held accountable for it? fool
                1. littoral 24 December 2019 14: 40 New
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                  Quote: Horon
                  And here is MO ???

                  Sorry, blunted. Indeed, where does the ministry to whom this aircraft was intended? recourse
                  1. Horon 24 December 2019 15: 04 New
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                    Before you buy a product, some products at the factory may be rejected. Can you also give explanations for something that has not reached you there, or can you talk only about what you are already using?
                    Sorry, blunted.

                    No, they didn’t dull, rather, the work is like that.
                    1. littoral 24 December 2019 15: 22 New
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                      Quote: Horon
                      Before you buy a product, some products at the factory may be rejected. Can you also give explanations for something that has not reached you there, or can you talk only about what you are already using?

                      Yes, you are just the king of analogies! A kind of Philip Kirkorov, only in the epistolary genre.
                      Do you want to bet that the MORF ultimately admits that this plane was intended for him, and was not a "test laboratory for a 2-stage engine"?
                      (whispering) I know the answer.
                      1. Horon 24 December 2019 15: 42 New
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                        (In a whisper) Even if the MO was intended and the engine of the second stage was not standing on it, the aircraft still could not belong to the MO, because passed the test! Accordingly, the maximum for which the MO can be accountable is for the aircraft arrival program itself, but not for this particular aircraft. And to confirm or deny the quality of the tests is nothing more. So do not throw the substance on the fan, and its quality will not change. (Loud)
                        No, they didn’t dull, rather, the work is like that.
                      2. Horon 24 December 2019 15: 43 New
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                        PS The site programmer is a krivorukovy neprofessianal! It’s necessary to clog the pages with redundant code! recourse
                      3. littoral 24 December 2019 18: 07 New
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                        Quote: Horon
                        unprofessional

                        Is it your subconscious? wink
                    2. littoral 24 December 2019 18: 05 New
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                      Quote: Horon
                      (In a whisper) Even if the MO was intended and the engine of the second stage was not standing on it, the aircraft still could not belong to the MO, because passed the test! Accordingly, the maximum for which the MO can be accountable is for the aircraft arrival program itself, but not for this particular aircraft. And to confirm or deny the quality of the tests is nothing more. So do not throw the substance on the fan, and its quality will not change. (Loud)
                      No, they didn’t dull, rather, the work is like that.

                      You are in the heat of the "class struggle with dissidents", you have lost the thread of discussion (as with people like you constantly happening).
                      The question was whether it was the first "serial" aircraft intended for entry into the troops or a "flying laboratory". MORF does not need to report anything and "refute the quality of the tests." He just needs to confirm the loss of the aircraft intended for him. All!
                      Because MORF got water in his mouth and after more than enough time does not give any comments, then any sane person (this does not apply to you) will make the only correct conclusion: This is really the first production aircraft for MORF.
                      They did the right thing to evade the argument.
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          Interfax Su-57, not T-50
          and this link
          https://www.interfax.ru/russia/689131
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      6. Lipchanin 24 December 2019 13: 22 New
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        Quote: kjhg
        Pure PR.

        Do you know what PR means?
        Who and whom "PR"
        that the first production board crashed,

        Where did he crash?
        After surrendering to the troops?
        120 km from the factory test aerodrome Komsomolsk-on-Amur

        The word TEST is not familiar to you?
        1. EvilLion 25 December 2019 11: 40 New
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          Machines from the factory fly around there, including serial ones and even from repair.
    2. FRoman1984 24 December 2019 13: 19 New
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      Quote: Lipchanin
      Quote: kjhg
      I mean, maybe the president didn’t need to be promoted on the day of the first flight of the T-50, and the military and military-industrial complex leaders announced grandiose procurement plans?

      What does PR have to do with it?
      Nowhere else do prototypes fall?
      Read carefully which car fell
      Recall that the plane crashed about 120 km from the factory test aerodrome of Komsomolsk-on-Amur during a test flight.

      Is this a production car?

      Yes, this is the first production aircraft. Number 01 is blue.
    3. Sky strike fighter 24 December 2019 17: 22 New
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      Quote: kjhg
      I mean, maybe the president didn’t need to be promoted on the day of the first flight of the T-50, and the military and military-industrial complex leaders announced grandiose procurement plans?

      What does PR have to do with it?
      Nowhere else do prototypes fall?
      Read carefully which car fell
      Recall that the plane crashed about 120 km from the factory test aerodrome of Komsomolsk-on-Amur during a test flight.

      Is this a production car?

      To my great regret, serial. I don’t want to believe in it myself. Hard news.
      A promising fifth-generation Su-57 fighter crashed in the Khabarovsk Territory tested the engine at maximum speeds, former commander of the 4th Air Force and Air Defense Army, Lieutenant General Valery Gorbenko, told RIA Novosti.

      “At the stage of flight tests of the engine, it is driven at maximum conditions and angles of attack. It checks how electronics, air intakes and other systems work. All production aircraft are tested by factory test pilots who are serious professionals before being transferred to the troops, ”the general said.


      the accident occurred due to a malfunction in the control system, in particular, tail assembly.


      The crashed plane was the first production Su-57. This car before the end of the year should have delivered the Russian Aerospace Forces.


      https://m.lenta.ru/news/2019/12/24/al41f1/
    4. EvilLion 25 December 2019 11: 40 New
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      This is a car that MO has not yet had time to accept, the first production one, in general MO 0 losses, the plant receives insurance and makes a new one. The insurer is saddened. The plans for training pilots are most likely moved for half a year, or one of the last 2 prototypes is involved in this business.
  2. Mavrikiy 24 December 2019 12: 56 New
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    The USSR is good, but those were different times.
    Military secrets are all the characteristics of military equipment, even when they are removed from service.
    And in the journal "Foreign Military Review" the TTX of their weapons was given almost completely. Business, TTXs are important here, those who have higher prices will buy one, and you can even pick up the price.
    And we embarked on this slippery path. But they can always be disclosed to the TTX, they are aggressors, they will fight with all the kagal, and then the TTX will not be important.
    And we must open them for trade and classify, for the defense of the country. Weapons need to be made not only the performance for MO and "E", but also the performance "only ME", such as Paseidon, and you don’t need to wrangle about it. Advertising it as a deterrent, nonsense. Whom will the weapon frighten? It’s not the world order that is pouring in, but the world itself. Civil wars are prophesied throughout the world, from Europe to China.
    And we are showing everyone here which direction to work, and depriving ourselves of a chance to survive. request
  3. SovietUnit 24 December 2019 13: 08 New
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    In the USSR, aircraft were built and other equipment for fulfilling combat missions! In the Russian Federation, they are building dummies for rating and cutting. That's the whole difference here, there’s nothing to even discuss.
    1. Lipchanin 24 December 2019 13: 28 New
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      Quote: SovietUnit
      In the USSR, aircraft were built and other equipment for fulfilling combat missions! In the Russian Federation, they are building dummies for rating and cutting. That's the whole difference here, there’s nothing to even discuss.

      About a few years ago on this site there were really people who understood issues in military equipment and the state of the Russian Armed Forces.
      Now they have come, or it has come such that they only know how to pour their hatred from the "independent" onto Russia as their hatred.
      YOU, "drank" passed by you, or YOU carried by?
      Admins and moderators, well, when will IT be covered? After all, apart from the dirt, nothing is visible from them.
      Come up with a filter from these "specialists"
      1. Inspector 24 December 2019 13: 45 New
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        I’m finally for Russia, but if I see the fifth column on every corner, I’m not going to applaud this. Unlike the patriots. I say that Vaino. Kiriyenko. Borisov, Krivoruchko, Surkov Peskov. working for the enemy, like Andropov, the bugs. Kuusinen Gorbachev Yeltsin.
  4. YOUR 24 December 2019 14: 44 New
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    What kind of journalists are there? Already got this Soha.
    Sohu ("Sohu") is a Chinese Internet company that combines a media portal, a search engine, as well as the largest information brand in the Chinese Internet space, built like Yandex Zen. Anyone can write whatever they want. You can and should listen to what Zhenmin Ribao writes, but Sohu is a collection of OBS gossip.
    1. 川 建国 24 December 2019 17: 26 New
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      You are absolutely right about that. It is officially reported that the Russian su - 57 crashed. Finding a fox is not an official press, and this press is not well known in China. Because today I also received the news of the wreck of - 57. 中国 军 迷
      1. YOUR 25 December 2019 02: 15 New
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        The conversation is not about the plane crash, but about the conclusions made by the author.
  5. Nkv3 24 December 2019 14: 53 New
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    Well, Armata should have sung laudatory odes, presumably, after the frank statement of Deputy Prime Minister Borisov.
    It is likely that a similar fate befell the Su-57.
  6. DED_peer_DED 24 December 2019 16: 00 New
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    Maybe we should behave more restrained? I mean, maybe the president didn’t need to be promoted on the day of the first flight of the T-50, and the military and military-industrial complex leaders announced grandiose procurement plans? In Soviet times, the latest developments were kept secret.

    These that are "new" rushing from pride. The old ones were more modest. In all senses.
  7. Astronaut 24 December 2019 17: 00 New
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    In Soviet times, the latest developments were kept secret

    In Soviet times, there was no Internet and smartphones ...
  8. FOBOSS 24 December 2019 17: 40 New
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    Now the time is different, you need to PR and monitor the reaction of partners. PR will provide interest, and accordingly the demand for weapons. Plus, under the influence of PR, partners will rush into various adventurous projects. Type of American Star Wars only in the Russian version.
    1. kjhg 24 December 2019 17: 52 New
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      Quote: FOBOSS
      PR will provide interest, and accordingly the demand for weapons.

      Well, answer, did you sell a lot of Su-57, Armat, Kurgan and Boomerang at the expense of endless PR?
      Quote: FOBOSS
      Plus, under the influence of PR, partners will rush into various adventurous projects

      I wonder who after the PR rushed to create analogues of our military equipment? Do not hold others for round fools. There, unlike our population, processed by propaganda, they just understand what our level of technology and industry is worth, which threatens to surpass everyone. Even the Hindus dancers dumped from this project. What else are you talking about?
      1. FOBOSS 24 December 2019 17: 59 New
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        PR is not an advertising booklet. This is when military equipment and products are heard first and foremost, pay attention to it and buy something affordable. But about the one who rushed to create something similar: the Germans - a new tank, Americans lasers, South Korea and Japan, a 5th generation aircraft, etc.
  • Aaron Zawi 24 December 2019 12: 03 New
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    The event is unpleasant for any aircraft manufacturer. But no one could avoid such disasters. Moreover, new platforms always have a lot of problems.

    Moscow. December 24th. INTERFAX.RU - The fifth-generation fighter Su-57, which crashed on Tuesday in the Khabarovsk Territory, was the first production model, it should have been handed over to the military before the end of 2019, an informed source told Interfax.
    "This is the first production Su-57 that the plant was supposed to transfer to the military before the end of the year," the source said. He noted that the transfer of equipment was scheduled for the current week.
    1. MoJloT 24 December 2019 12: 40 New
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      The event is unpleasant for any aircraft manufacturer. But no one could avoid such disasters. Moreover, new platforms always have a lot of problems.
      100% true, but so far, according to unconfirmed data, the pilot’s mistake, he remained well alive, the rest is fixable.
    2. Gray brother 24 December 2019 14: 05 New
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      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      The event is unpleasant

      The most unpleasant thing is that now they will have to build one more at their own expense, because they will not pay for a broken MO, this is in any case, and it doesn’t matter if it’s serial, go laboratory flying.
      1. Aaron Zawi 24 December 2019 14: 49 New
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        Quote: Gray Brother

        The most unpleasant thing is that now they will have to build one more at their own expense, because they will not pay for a broken MO, this is in any case, and it doesn’t matter if it’s serial, go laboratory flying.

        Insurance? No?
        1. Gray brother 24 December 2019 15: 14 New
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          Insurance? No?

          Not sure. Serial, until the factory tests pass, is not considered a finished product at all - this is a set of spare parts not certified, and no one will insure a prototype because the risks are too high.
          1. URAL72 24 December 2019 16: 23 New
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            Do not tell me, “a carrier rocket, generally a disposable product, but go insure it.”
            1. Gray brother 24 December 2019 16: 26 New
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              Don’t tell, - the carrier rocket, in general, a disposable product

              And he is already a finished product, as is his load.
              1. URAL72 24 December 2019 16: 39 New
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                In this case, the compensation will be paid by the insurer of a single “finished” product, for example, an engine, or another “spare part”.
                1. Gray brother 24 December 2019 16: 44 New
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                  In this case, the compensation will be paid by the insurer of a single “finished” product,

                  I’m not familiar with this practice, and therefore wrote that I’m not sure.
  • businessv 24 December 2019 12: 03 New
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    Poison is sprayed. They themselves are silent about their schools.

    Yes, colleague, we just found an informational occasion, but a way to light up and be patriotic, just in case!
    1. Chaldon48 24 December 2019 13: 29 New
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      Envy shows well who is, here are the Chinese and show what kind of "friends" he is. They themselves are full of "latest" on our engines flies.
  • Valery Valery 24 December 2019 12: 06 New
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    Yes, maybe enough to pay attention to the incompetence of some fools. Well, I wrote crap, and here we advertise it.
    1. Lord of the Sith 24 December 2019 12: 08 New
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      Yes, I would not call one of the largest publications in China "fools."
      Here is another.
      1. Freeman 24 December 2019 13: 48 New
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        Yes, I would not call one of the largest publications in China "fools."
        Here is another.

        Sohu, as I understand it, is a diversified Internet company
        (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sohu).
        Not the fact that the "largest publication" does not give up "yellowness."
        Let me remind you that the largest publication in Russia of the 90s is AIDS-Info (circulation up to 10 million copies).
      2. 川 建国 24 December 2019 17: 33 New
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        You are mistaken, the search is not the official Chinese press on which everyone can publish their articles. People's Daily reports the fall of the Russian su - 57. "Globe times" writes the same thing. China's official media, Renmingdao, Globe Times, Xinhua News Agency, Guangming newspaper, People's Liberation Army newspaper, etc. In conclusion, I apologize for insulting the Russian people regarding the search for this media loser. I'm sorry, but the search is media failure
  • Fraracol_2 24 December 2019 12: 13 New
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    Did you write something different about the F-35?
    1. Horon 24 December 2019 12: 33 New
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      There are western sites for Jewish songs and Jewish boys lickingly licking any product of the western military-industrial complex.
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      Quote: Fraancol_2
      Did you write something different about the F-35?

      Well, I won’t talk about your professionalism. Already said
      Just like that, for the development of Moss.
      Is there a difference between SERIAL production and FACTORY?
    3. Gray brother 24 December 2019 14: 08 New
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      Did you write something different about the F-35?

      I liked about F-35 here as one test subject wrote that not a single person was killed in accidents.
  • Lipchanin 24 December 2019 12: 33 New
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    Poison is sprayed. They themselves are silent about their schools.

    Yes, they don’t have request
    After about twenty years, through gritted teeth, “it seemed like something, but we don’t remember”
    Only we have a saying about a beam in the eye
  • opus 24 December 2019 12: 53 New
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    They themselves are silent about their schools.

    1. Do not be silent

    2. Their (EMERGENCY) they have not so much. And they fly a lot
    Shenyang J-11 seems to be no
    Shenyang J-15 collision with a bird August 16, 2017: fire, bailout, possibly in 2019 (video above)
    Shenyang J-31-no
    Chengdu J-20-no
    3. What they write is understandable:
    Soh, she's so
    + The Chinese need to promote their 31 and 20 at any cost

    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    And only he who does not fly does not fall.

    well, or one who does not taxiing on the runway

    ================================================== ==============================
    but seriously, this accident is a very bad, but quite predictable result.
    1. Lipchanin 24 December 2019 13: 31 New
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      Quote: opus
      but seriously, this accident is a very bad, but quite predictable result.

      Well, what were these forecasts?
      Not from those sources that give "forecasts" about the "Crimean bridge"?
      1. Gray brother 24 December 2019 14: 10 New
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        Quote: Lipchanin
        Not from those sources that give "forecasts" about the "Crimean bridge"?

        Russia will fall and Putin will flee to the DPRK))) At Lubyanka there is already a helicopter with untwisted blades)))
        1. Golovan Jack 24 December 2019 14: 35 New
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          Quote: Gray Brother
          At Lubyanka is already a helicopter with untwisted blades

          ... next to the sand-filled boots. And stockings laughing
          1. Gray brother 24 December 2019 14: 37 New
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            .. next to the sand-filled boots. And stockings

            No, this is in the basement, where schoolchildren are dissatisfied with the regime, and the helicopter on the roof as it should be.
            1. opus 24 December 2019 16: 35 New
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              No, it's in the basement, where schoolchildren are dissatisfied with the regime

              schoolchildren do not need to be touched, this product is now in short supply: the Russian Guard is training for them, so the cabbage general
              In the Novotroitsk school of the Tukaevsky district of Tatarstan, the Russian Guard is conducting exercises on pupils of grade 9: students were asked to attack the staff in full outfit, with shields

              The chairman of the Alliance of Teachers Union of the Republic of Tatarstan, Raushan Valiullin, announced on Facebook.

              -I think they lie again, yes
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Lipchanin (Sergey)

              ?
              1. Gray brother 24 December 2019 16: 40 New
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                Quote: opus
                conducts exercises on students of grade 9: students were asked to attack employees in full gear, with shields

                These are not teachings, but just for fun, have fun. Here are the teachings:
                1. opus 24 December 2019 18: 32 New
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                  Quote: Gray Brother
                  These are not teachings, but just for fun, have fun.

                  1. Everyone has their own opinion, I think these our “teachings” are absolutely idiotic, and on my younger one, you shouldn’t just train like that
                  2. The sheep, who took into account the action in Tatarstan, simply do not understand what they are doing, or the roof went completely at the fraud with the purchase of cabbage for the personnel.
                  Quote: Gray Brother
                  Here are the teachings:

                  and this action then, yes?

                  How many Krivoruchko rolled in there? 3,5 years?
                  / Only then do not squeak when you yourself fall under the distribution
                  similar
                  In Tatarstan detained protesters against the construction of an incinerator

                  Article 20.2.2 of the Administrative Code + the police plans to draw up a second protocol under Article 19.3 of the Administrative Code
                  write like that
                  1. Gray brother 24 December 2019 18: 41 New
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                    Quote: opus
                    and on my youngest, you shouldn’t just train like that

                    Valuev trains on children:
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                      Quote: Gray Brother
                      Valuev trains on children:

                      Brother ... umm, I don’t understand. Are you kidding me, or seriously.
                      Does it not reach that the children are not stupid now (they are not victims of the USE by disciplines) this is clear, but politically, all sorts of shura-moons in their heads, networks, chats ...
                      Only a clinical walk could use them as an object of training for the OMON.
                      Little to them swamp ..
                    2. Gray brother 24 December 2019 19: 37 New
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                      Quote: opus
                      Brother ... umm, I don’t understand. Are you kidding me, or seriously.

                      Seriously of course.
                      Quote: opus
                      kids are not stupid now

                      To be naive and be led to all sorts of dregs, it is not necessary to be stupid.
                      Life experience is only gained with age, whatever you say. And then not everyone - if someone lives in greenhouse conditions, then he remains so infantile.
    2. opus 24 December 2019 15: 00 New
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      Not from those sources that give "forecasts" about the "Crimean bridge"?

      maybe this crap is enough to write about the daughters of officers, forecasts of the Crimean bridge. Well, you can’t just indulge in so many monkeys and these mantras?
      And do not stretch here for 58 ^ 1, 58 ^ 1g and 58 ^ 2-58 ^ 14 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR 1922
  • Vadim237 24 December 2019 14: 31 New
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    These are the predictions for the T 50 accident - you yourself thought it out.
    1. opus 24 December 2019 16: 43 New
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      Quote: Vadim237
      These are the predictions for the T 50 accident - you yourself thought it out.

      1. Forecasts are always someone "himself" comes up. Alice, Siri and others have not yet been honored
      2. no need
      Quote: opus
      here extend to 58 ^ 1, 58 ^ 1g and 58 ^ 2-58 ^ 14 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR 1922

      Do you have anything to do with Homo sapiens? (or are you homo insipiens?)
      READ ARE ABLE?
      WHAT DO I WRITE? what?
      Quote: opus
      this accident is very bad but quite predictable result.

      Is there a difference between forecast and forecast?
      etc.-can be predicted either with sufficient accuracy, either with a probabilistic outcome.
      n. here:
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B7
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      why is the result predicted?
      Yes, because
      The PD-50 is now at the bottom, and it is unlikely to get out of there, because the Superjet burned down and people died, but because, in the end, it’s just that the Head of the Customs Investigation Department of the Federal Customs Service lieutenant general wassat Alexander Kizlyk
      600 dollars, 000 euros, gold bars and luxury watches were found and seized
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  • Michael67 24 December 2019 15: 28 New
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    Why are you printing these sohoixperds? They, such as opinion, are only our liberde to feed. To peck this rice, and then toss on the fan. It turns out, feed the Libers.
  • 川 建国 25 December 2019 05: 48 New
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    Indeed, there are many sites in China that reported the crash of su57 in the first place, and our internet users discussed this, and we joked: “it was su57 that India touched.”
  • Magog 25 December 2019 18: 17 New
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    Competitor - he is also a competitor in China! Before this accident, the Su-57 demonstrated all the points of the “next after the 4th generation”, which cannot be said so far about either the Chinese “J” or the Amer “F” of the alleged 5th generation.
  • levmaslov 26 December 2019 23: 57 New
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    Hooray! We won.
  • MoJloT 24 December 2019 11: 54 New
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    about Su-57 as an aircraft of the “4 +++” generation (3 +++ in the Chinese version)
    As it is not enough pluses.
    1. askort154 24 December 2019 12: 17 New
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      MoJloT about Su-57 as an aircraft of the “4 +++” generation (3 +++ in the Chinese version)
      As it is not enough pluses.


      These are not pluses. This is one of the 5000 characters. And what do they mean, even the Chinese do not know everything. yes hi
      1. Lipchanin 24 December 2019 12: 44 New
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        These are not pluses. This is one of the 5000 characters. And what do they mean, even the Chinese do not know everything

        But how beautifully they describe crying

        Just get scared crying lol
        1. Fedorov 24 December 2019 13: 00 New
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          Whoever mastered a Glagolitic letter with an initial letter. And there is a direct "parade of planets ... China is resting.
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            Whoever mastered a Glagolitic letter with an initial letter.

            Glad to rate
        2. 川 建国 24 December 2019 17: 19 New
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          As a Chinese, I know only a few of them. Perhaps this word was used in an ancient sacrifice, which is rarely used. In conclusion, I would like to say that fishing in China is poorly voiced, and that many Chinese media like to make fun of other countries. But I think this is wrong, but from the point of view of the Chinese authorities, we regret it. We hope that the Russian comrades will be able to restore the su-57, which is a great country, as soon as possible, and I would say that Russia simply needs money, and this is solely thanks to the sanctions of the West. 我 不 知道 那张 图片 是 什么 意思 , 但是我 认为 这 是 一张 好 图 , 我 拿去给 中国 网友 看看。
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            Thank you dear Chinese friend. I think that by joining forces together, our countries will be able to successfully confront the hybrid war that the Anglo-Saxon elites declared to us. I think that they are well aware in China. It will be harder for us alone.
      2. Vadim237 24 December 2019 14: 32 New
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        In general, the Chinese have a total of 109000 characters in writing.
  • rocket757 24 December 2019 11: 54 New
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    This crash will overshadow the plans for the development of new generation fighters in Russia.

    Why would it suddenly be? There will be falls, there will be victories .... it has always been so.
    1. cniza 24 December 2019 12: 23 New
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      P so on the contrary - this is a valuable experience ... Greetings! hi
      1. rocket757 24 December 2019 12: 32 New
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        Hi soldier
        The machine should come to combat pilots completely “run-in”, tested in any difficult situations! This is the law of aviation.
        1. Aleksandr21 24 December 2019 13: 01 New
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          Hi soldier
          The machine should come to combat pilots completely “run-in”, tested in any difficult situations! This is the law of aviation.


          I agree that we need this test. And for the reason:

          "A promising fifth-generation Su-57 fighter crashed in the Khabarovsk Territory tested the engine at maximum speeds," said the former commander of the 4th Army of the Air Force and Air Defense, Lieutenant General Valery Gorbenko, to RIA Novosti.

          “At the stage of flight tests of the engine, it is driven at maximum conditions and angles of attack. It checks how electronics, air intakes and other systems work. All production aircraft are tested by factory test pilots who are serious professionals before being transferred to the troops, ”the general said.

          According to TASS, which refers to two sources in the military-industrial complex, the accident occurred due to a malfunction in the control system, in particular, tail assembly. "
          1. rocket757 24 December 2019 13: 15 New
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            I agree that we need this test.

            Rules, instructions, written in blood!
            A test pilot is better prepared, experience in conducting numerous extreme tests, it’s not just like that, it’s the best chance in any case.
          2. Vadim237 24 December 2019 14: 33 New
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            The control system on this aircraft should be duplicated.
        2. cniza 24 December 2019 13: 08 New
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          These are common truths, and not only for aviation, but for all V.S. and soho - well, what to take from him.
          1. rocket757 24 December 2019 13: 16 New
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            Quote: cniza
            and soho - well, what to take from him.

            Well, yes, this is the sandpiper who croaks only for his swamp.
            1. cniza 24 December 2019 14: 03 New
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              I don’t even know how to correctly name it, it looks like an information fighter.
              1. rocket757 24 December 2019 14: 24 New
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                Well, yes, the Internet is filled with lines of such fighters.
                Also work, since they get paid for it.
                1. cniza 24 December 2019 14: 25 New
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                  So they have it state. program.
        3. littoral 24 December 2019 13: 47 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          The machine should come to combat pilots completely “run-in”, tested in any difficult situations! This is the law of aviation.

          Not tired of writing slogans? Tell the MI-28 pilots.
    2. Lipchanin 24 December 2019 12: 46 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      There will be falls, there will be victories .... it has always been so.

      The main thing is not to stay lying, but to STAND and keep going
      And we can do it
      hi
      1. rocket757 24 December 2019 12: 49 New
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        Quote: Lipchanin
        The main thing is not to stay lying, but to STAND and keep going
        And we can do it

        Of course, falling would be less, but if this is not possible, then the ability to always get up and move on is not at all superfluous.
        1. Lipchanin 24 December 2019 13: 35 New
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          then the ability to always get up and move on is not at all superfluous.

          This is the main thing.
          adversaries were admitted to Morskva, but they got up and in their capitals celebrated Victory
          1. rocket757 24 December 2019 13: 42 New
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            The adversary also visited Moscow .... and then what, rolled back like a beaten dog, to its very capitals!
  • lapwings 24 December 2019 11: 55 New
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    Competition) or anything personal ..
  • kolkulon 24 December 2019 11: 55 New
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    Does the publication plow in any way on china-defense industry?
  • bessmertniy 24 December 2019 11: 55 New
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    Sooner rejoice Chinese comrades. The death of a factory aircraft is a serious nuisance, but tests of new technology include failures and some reserve is always made with an eye on them.
    1. maidan.izrailovich 24 December 2019 12: 02 New
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      .... testing new technology involves failure ....

      The Chinese basically copy what someone has already experienced.
      1. Lipchanin 24 December 2019 12: 48 New
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        Quote: maidan.izrailovich
        The Chinese basically copy what someone has already experienced.

        Nevertheless, it breaks more often than the original laughing
  • Rakovor 24 December 2019 11: 56 New
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    Better to tell how many Chinese planes crashed during the tests.
    1. Lipchanin 24 December 2019 12: 49 New
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      Quote: Rakovor
      Better to tell how many Chinese planes crashed during the tests.

      And fso shto behind the Chinese wall is not considered.
      No such request
      These originals are unsuccessful laughing
  • tlauicol 24 December 2019 11: 58 New
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    We have no friends ...
    1. Winnie76 24 December 2019 13: 36 New
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      Nobody has them
  • Ratmir_Ryazan 24 December 2019 11: 59 New
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    China incites and shows its true face in relation to Russia, that is, complete neglect.

    What did they do? What is not an arms system, then a copy on the copy and low performance characteristics. And they imagine themselves to be great gunsmiths.
    1. Nastia makarova 24 December 2019 12: 03 New
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      this is a yellow newspaper does
      1. Blackmokona 24 December 2019 12: 04 New
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        In the PRC, all state media
        1. Nastia makarova 24 December 2019 12: 15 New
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          and they write what they want
          1. Blackmokona 24 December 2019 12: 26 New
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            In China, a powerful censorship system, only approved will be written
            1. Lipchanin 24 December 2019 12: 53 New
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              Quote: BlackMokona
              In China, a powerful censorship system, only approved will be written

              Have you experienced it on yourself? Or have they beguiled North Korea? Or maybe with the non-brothers?
              Where there is Internet and private property, censorship by definition does not make sense
              1. Blackmokona 24 December 2019 13: 00 New
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                Tell this to the Chinese government, otherwise they spend a huge amount of money on it.
                1. Lipchanin 24 December 2019 13: 37 New
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                  Quote: BlackMokona
                  Tell this to the Chinese government, otherwise they spend a huge amount of money on it.

                  I'll tell you
                  Internet is not prohibited there.
                  And the fact that you were told the opinion of ONE edition does not mean that there is no other
                  1. Blackmokona 24 December 2019 13: 46 New
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                    Such cases
                    The Golden Shield Project (Chinese 金盾 工程, jīndùn gōngchéng, unofficial name is the Great Firewall of China - a play on words derived from the Great Wall of China - Great The Wall of China) is a system for filtering Internet content in the PRC.The development of the project began in 1998 and was commissioned throughout the country in 2003. This system includes subsystems such as a security management system (治安 管理 信息 系统), a system reporting of offenses (刑事 案件 信息 系统), exit and input control system ( 出入境 管理 信息 系统), information monitoring system (监管 人员 信息 系统), traffic management system (交通 管理 信息 系统) [1].

                    The Golden Shield is one of China's 12 key e-governement projects called the “Golden”.
      2. Freeman 24 December 2019 13: 57 New
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        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        this is a yellow newspaper does

        A pun, gentlemen!
        - "Chinese newspaper - gives yellowness"
        / (c) Lieutenant Rzhevsky /
        wassat laughing
    2. Lipchanin 24 December 2019 12: 51 New
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      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      China incites and shows its true face in relation to Russia, that is, complete neglect.

      Is the newspaper a whole China?
      Read about yourself here? Is this the opinion of the whole site?
  • Sitearvi 24 December 2019 12: 05 New
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    All planes fall, the main pilot is alive. And who has airplanes of which generation life will show. Unlike the Chinese, we do not copy other people's planes. Moreover, the test flight. It would be worse if he fell after being transferred to the troops.
  • awdrgy 24 December 2019 12: 13 New
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    So the Chinese are showing their essence. Isn't it time to bury the "barrels" with "BUKs" (as an urgent economy option)?
  • Ross xnumx 24 December 2019 12: 17 New
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    And these "friends" are right there. We decided to add a spoonful of tar.
    Tests ... fool The pilot is alive ... fool Are narrow-mindedness and narrow-eyedness related symptoms?
    Let's skip past the eyes and ears, like a black-and-white din and dog barking ...
    If you look, these Chinese will not solve our Russian problems anyway.
  • Operator 24 December 2019 12: 18 New
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    The aircraft in the experimental configuration crashed during a test flight with the new "product 30" engines, so the questions are only for the engine engineers.
    1. Herman 4223 24 December 2019 12: 37 New
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      The first serial fell, they are already writing about this in the news.
      1. Horon 24 December 2019 14: 28 New
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        Serial with new engines? Usually, any modification is first tested, after which the series is accepted or brought to mind! Someone either does not know this system or is deliberately misleading.
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          About the new engines, I saw a mention on this site.
          And so they write that the first serial.
          https://yandex.ru/turbo?text=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.interfax.ru%2Frussia%2F689131&utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=mobile&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews&brand=news
          Let’s see later what information should appear.
        2. Herman 4223 24 December 2019 15: 07 New
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          Here's another.
          https://yandex.ru/turbo?text=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vedomosti.ru%2Fpolitics%2Farticles%2F2019%2F12%2F24%2F819543-su-57&utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=mobile&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews&brand=news
          1. Horon 24 December 2019 15: 20 New
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            Thank! Read. About the engine, yes - nothing is written. But the plane really passed the test and, apparently, did not pass if it determined a technical malfunction. So the second number will go through everything from the very beginning. The plane is still owned by the airline and is not transferred to the MO. This means losses on the airline. It seems like a rush.
            1. Herman 4223 24 December 2019 17: 17 New
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              A new machine after assembly is always tested, even if it is serial. I have such a suspicion that someone at the plant messed up, but the response did not find it. Experienced cars and there are 11 of them, the one that hasn’t crashed in 9 years. And here in the first flight.
              1. Horon 24 December 2019 20: 10 New
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                Rush! Hurry to report on the transfer to the troops.
                1. Herman 4223 25 December 2019 06: 55 New
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                  Maybe that too. We hastened someone to have time before the end of the year. Anything can happen.
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    At the same time, the author in Sohu does not make any reference to the fact that this is a test flight.


    Oh, it’s a sucker, but they don’t give a damn about their opinions and conclusions, experts too ...
  • Gnefredov 24 December 2019 12: 29 New
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    Honestly, these “yellow brothers” are disgusting to me (as is their point of view). Do they want to be like a smart monkey watching the fight from the outside? Well, well, it might sound crazy now, Russia and the States (including Israel) will have to fight against the new hegemon. Remember my words.
    PS Ishtyblin, already rubbing their snotty paws in the press. Duplicators are premature. It’s better to be friends with the Indians than with these, damn it.
    1. Winnie76 24 December 2019 13: 43 New
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      Duplicators are premature. It’s better to be friends with the Indians than with these, damn it.

      Kindergarten. There is no “friendship” in international relations. Here it’s more like in a terrarium with snakes. And your proposal sounds something like this: "This cobra hisses somehow wrong - I will be friends with the viper"
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        Time will put everything in its place.
  • Herman 4223 24 December 2019 12: 36 New
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    They say for one beaten two unbeaten give. So there was some kind of defect in technology or design that had not shown itself before. Maybe some scammer at the factory messed up. The reason will reveal the car will be more reliable. It’s a pity of course that the first serial failed, but what to do.
    1. Finn 24 December 2019 13: 13 New
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      Our proverb: "the first pancake is lumpy.". The rest of the pancakes should be great.
  • anjey 24 December 2019 12: 36 New
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    For beaten, they give two not beaten, the proverb says, so this incident can help identify the shortcomings that have now manifested.
  • Pariv 24 December 2019 12: 57 New
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    What is the beef about, really? An aircraft undergoing development crashed during testing is very common. Just look at the issues that the F-35 faced and still facing. The crash of a development SU-57 is not news.
  • 1536 24 December 2019 13: 01 New
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    June 23, 2014, September 23, 2016, October 27, 2016 (!), August 22, 2018, September 4, 2018 - dates of flight accidents with the F-35. Mostly the engine burns on take-off or in flight. September 28, 2018, April 9, 2019 - F-35 crash.
    So whose program for the construction of new aircraft should be closed according to the logic of some commentators? Maybe enough already to talk about our aircraft in a derogatory tone, scolding the aircraft industry, pilots, etc.?
    I do not believe in coincidence that one of them crashes before the planes are transferred to the troops. But without the decision of the commission to analyze the causes of the death of our aircraft, any conclusions will be superficial.
    1. voyaka uh 24 December 2019 14: 47 New
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      Issued 500 pieces. Crashed 2 pieces.
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    1. Lipchanin 24 December 2019 13: 39 New
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      Quote: gryaznov.igor.
      already got these clumsy news from China,

      They do not give you sleep?
      Do they interfere with work?
      And mnu here on the drum that they scream there request
  • gryaznov.igor. 24 December 2019 13: 04 New
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    They like rats rejoice at our problems.
  • Victor March 47 24 December 2019 13: 07 New
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    In such cases, the monkeys jump, showing and slapping themselves on the ass.
    Sohu, apparently, organized and grew up in a flock of these harmless thieves.
  • ultra 24 December 2019 13: 14 New
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    How long will we still read any nonsense from the Sohu portal?
  • toha124 24 December 2019 13: 15 New
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    And what is little in the history of aviation of the legendary aircraft, which, standing on the wing were "widow makers"? And some have been like that all their careers ...
  • 7,62h54 24 December 2019 13: 41 New
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    You better watch your J20 there
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    The funny thing is that the Chinese electronics most likely refused on the plane. And whose else could it be? smile
  • gridasov 24 December 2019 14: 07 New
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    The mind cannot understand Russia! They say no money? Yes, to invest in ruble the development of the production of components and the people in action and their technologies in development and money in circulation and the ruble is stronger. Therefore, for me, this is a direct sabotage.
  • JonnyT 24 December 2019 14: 13 New
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    This accident shows the main problem of the industry of the Russian Federation. In an attempt to reduce the cost of production, the quality of assemblies suffers - smaller metal, thinner tubes, etc. That does not hold the details of extreme loads
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      We still don’t know what the accident happened for - and you already made a conclusion from scratch “The quality of the units is to blame” - the military acceptance of such crap that you described never before delivering it to the troops, and for suppliers of such components this could lead to multi-billion dollar lawsuits MO.
      1. JonnyT 24 December 2019 16: 51 New
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        On the Mi-28, the units burst, because there were tiny ones, why couldn’t this be on the su? Moreover, the pilot was at maximum.
  • Andrey VOV 24 December 2019 14: 18 New
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    Here is a narrow-eyed mongrel, just to yap. Forgotten already as sparrows ate
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    They would envy silently .. would appear smarter
  • evgen1221 24 December 2019 14: 30 New
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    Enough to live already with an eye on what the east and the east will say about us there. Tests, it happens, the topic is closed. As we lived and live with the kings, what they say about us, I suspect that we are the only ones in the world .... e.
    1. Sansculotte 24 December 2019 14: 50 New
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      Patriots are fluttering, "yes experienced, where, yes, the product is not that," and then, like a hammer on the head, "the first serial"))
      Patriots, do not like power - ask her questions.
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  • Alien From 24 December 2019 14: 42 New
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    The Chinas are happy, through narrow eyes they just can’t see that 57 is much better than their fifth generation .....
  • Operator 24 December 2019 14: 50 New
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    write in the news

    On the internet fence.
  • Alex Alex_2 24 December 2019 14: 50 New
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    Su-57 was simply uninitiated, here is the result.
  • Alexey from Perm 24 December 2019 14: 53 New
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    The eclipse will not eclipse, but it will delay and shift the program to the right, that's for sure. They say so because they themselves have a similar plane. India withdrew from the program due to the failure to achieve the declared characteristics of the aircraft.
  • DED_peer_DED 24 December 2019 16: 05 New
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    Quote: Tzar
    then taxpayers and all-proponents will have questions ...

    Since when have "those" become interested in the questions of "these"?
  • Lena Petrova 24 December 2019 16: 34 New
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    In an attempt to reduce the cost of production, the quality of assemblies suffers - smaller metal, thinner tubes, etc. That does not hold the details of extreme loads

    There is technical documentation. Everything is indicated exactly there. On the knee no one "ducts" at their discretion does not sculpt.
  • Ax Matt 24 December 2019 16: 49 New
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    China will NEVER be our full ally or friend. His number one challenge now is to counter the growing potential of India. And he uses the USA and Russia: obtaining resources by all the truths and not truths. Be it technology or raw materials. I would rather believe in a future war with China over Siberia and the Far East, than for the wretched Baltic States from the USA. We should be careful to fraternize with the tea-pot ...
    1. DED_peer_DED 24 December 2019 17: 32 New
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      There will be no war with China. They will simply occupy our lands and cities to the right of the Urals (which they already do with a quiet glanders), put their own people in power there, and that’s all. Living areas are occupied.
      You do not think that the RF Armed Forces will deliver vigorous strikes against their own Siberia?
      1. Dzafdet 24 December 2019 17: 39 New
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        Let them try to come to us. Already tried. All brought out and bring these.

        Signature: stern South Ural guy ... laughing tongue wassat
        1. DED_peer_DED 24 December 2019 17: 43 New
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          "New Technologies" - Silent glanders.
      2. Ax Matt 25 December 2019 19: 29 New
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        When I served in the area of ​​the Chinese border, I received quite exhaustive information WHAT EXACTLY "blows" will be inflicted, if that. And believe me, THIS is prepared there in the "cropped blue divisions" just so much that you can destroy India at the same time with its one and a half billion people. And this is not a nuclear weapon! The Chinese population is large, but very poorly educated for the most part. The warriors of them are mediocre, frankly. I don’t know a single historical battle won by China on its own. And the army, although enthusiastic, but poorly trained. And, about their crawling quietly into Russia, I agree. This is very disturbing! The Chinese businessman openly say to a businessman friend in Moscow that they will all be ours soon, at least do something ...
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          Quote: Ax Matt
          The Chinese businessman openly say to a businessman friend in Moscow that they will all be ours soon, at least do something ...

          To that goes.
          And, for the “masses” there is a TV box where the “new Kashpirovsky” comrades zombie them, that “everything is good” and all this is HPP.
  • 川 建国 24 December 2019 17: 07 New
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    Russia simply does not have enough money. Russia was the Soviet Union, a great country! Russia has funds only for a continuous compressed aircraft, but if Russia has such economic power as China, Russia could well build a military aircraft that does not lose f - 22
  • Guru 24 December 2019 17: 18 New
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    In the same article, the author writes about the Su-57 as an aircraft of the “4 +++” generation
    Something pluses is not enough, you need to add a couple more. laughing
  • Dzafdet 24 December 2019 17: 37 New
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    How good it was in the USSR. They practiced themselves without zhurnalyug. And now screams to heaven. And it’s good that I fell during mining, this will reveal weaknesses. But if the series began to crumble, then the trouble ...
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      Quote: Dzafdet
      But if the series began to crumble, then the trouble ...


      Above is a link to a statement (though not MO, but an "informed source") that the first serial fell.
  • Alexander Naydenov 24 December 2019 18: 02 New
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    if true, then this diversion was 100%.
  • Mentat 24 December 2019 20: 27 New
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    MORF does not need to report anything and "refute the quality of the tests." He just needs to confirm the loss of the aircraft intended for him. All!
    Because MORF got water in his mouth and after more than enough time does not give any comments, then any sane person (this does not apply to you) will make the only correct conclusion: This is really the first production aircraft for MORF.

    MO must confirm the loss of the plane, intended for him. Where does such a premise come from? Based on what data or source of information? On it, all your initially false logical construction is created, because There is no information that this aircraft was intended for Moscow Defense.

    As for the conclusions, their quality and reliability depends on the quality of the intelligence that makes them.

    By drawing conclusions based on an initially incorrect premise, you are creating a visual demonstration. Including reasons for so many cons.
    1. Good_Anonymous 24 December 2019 21: 47 New
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      Quote: Mentat
      There is no information that this aircraft was intended for Moscow Defense.


      And who else could he target? There are no export contracts; the plant does not build aircraft for itself.
  • Miron 24 December 2019 20: 43 New
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    At one of the stages of the program’s implementation, Russia had to bow to India in order to financially support the project. At the same time, Russia said: I want you to pay, but I will not share technologies with you. As a result, India withdrew from the project.
    ***
    If China had something to offer India, from which India later emerged ... envied.
  • Petrol cutter 24 December 2019 22: 20 New
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    God forgive me .... Well, Drying fell and fell. Anything can happen. In summer, our steamer went off the rails when moving. No one has died.
    The pilot is alive. The device is new.
    It would be generally necessary to prohibit the disclosure of the progress of such events.
    In order to reduce the consumption of corvalol among the most impressionable circles of the people. hi
  • vesovmaster 25 December 2019 07: 09 New
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    It is in America that you can make the rocket not tested, but immediately put people to fly to the moon and return! And we have everything through trials!
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      when was that? what nonsense?
  • Prisoner 25 December 2019 09: 28 New
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    Look, the lips rolled out and their eyes bulged. Do not wait! There will be an apparatus in the troops. Yes, such that you gasp.
  • silver_roman 25 December 2019 11: 39 New
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    Yellow press, no more. On the example of China, you can see how much money you don’t throw off, but they themselves cannot create 5, even 4 generations.
  • Diviz 25 December 2019 12: 33 New
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    Su 57 is cheaper than f22 f35. It must be cheaper than fret. Public sector employees will increase their salaries.