In Chinese Sohu: The crash of the Su-57 will eclipse plans for the development of new generation fighters in the Russian Federation

The first publications appeared abroad with comments on the fact of the fall of the T-50 (Su-57) fighter in the Khabarovsk Territory. Recall that the plane crashed about 120 km from the factory test aerodrome of Komsomolsk-on-Amur during a test flight. The pilot catapulted, there are no threats to his life.

One of the first to react to the fall of a fifth-generation fighter in Russia was China. While state-owned television companies and print media outlets are holding back restrained opinions about what happened during the tests near Komsomolsk, the Sohu portal is traditionally distinguished by loud statements.

The author on the mentioned resource writes that this is the first crash of the new generation Russian fighter, and adds:

This crash will overshadow the plans for the development of new generation fighters in Russia.

In this case, there is no reference to the fact that we are talking about a test flight, the author in Sohu initially does not.

Further, the author tells Chinese readers that one of Russia's problems in creating the Su-57 was underfunding.

From the article:

At one of the stages of the program’s implementation, Russia had to bow to India in order to financially support the project. At the same time, Russia said: I want you to pay, but I will not share technologies with you. As a result, India withdrew from the project.

This tirade speaks of only one thing: the author of a publication on a Chinese resource has no idea about the reasons why India officially left the joint FGFA project.

In the same article, the author writes about the Su-57 as an aircraft of the “4 +++” generation (3 +++ in the Chinese version) and calls on Russia to thank India for the fact that “in its time, it worked together to increase the efficiency of the ejection system ".

From material with outright scolding:

And India has a wealth of experience in bailout pilots.

Comments

[Lord of the Sith]

Poison is sprayed. They themselves are silent about their schools.
And only he who does not fly does not fall.

[kjhg]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Poison is sprayed.

There is nothing surprising in this. Journalists s.

Quote: Lord of the Sith

They themselves are silent about their schools.

Maybe we should have been more restrained? I mean, maybe the president shouldn't have been promoting himself on the day of the first flight of the T-50, and the military leadership and the leadership of the military-industrial complex should have voiced grandiose procurement plans? In Soviet times, the latest developments were kept secret. They learned about them only when they were already accepted into service. Today it is exactly the opposite. Armata, Sarmat, Su-57, Boomerang, etc., and others began to promote themselves even before the development began. And after the production of single copies, they began to be dragged around parades and exhibitions, and propaganda "polygons" were removed. It was at the exhibition that a fire broke out on the fifth side of the T-50-5, on which the first radar was located.

[Lord of the Sith]

Here I agree, one must be more restrained. But then they will stink - Where is the freedom of speech, what kind of totalitarianism, etc.

[knn54]

Well, at least they did not remember about yesterday the Day of Long-Range Aviation of the Russian Federation. And then the pilot would have got it.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

They will stink in any case. They don't even need a reason, they will invent it themselves. Comme d'habitude. I am sorry for my French.

[kit88]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

In any case, they will stink

Okay, the Chinese.
Our 5th column woke up and went to write with a curved pen, understanding airplanes as "a hare in geometry (c)"
The tape writes.

Su-57 can not be considered a fifth generation fighter.
The reasons:
The first is the actual ignoring of stealth technologies, for this it is enough to compare the technological allowances on the American (F-22 adopted as the standard) and Russian aircraft.
The second is the lack of a serial engine of the second stage.

Enough to compare, then TECHNOLOGICAL ALLOWANCES.
Just. Now the average person can easily compare it. Affftor at least represents what he writes.

Well, that's who such an author works for.

[Nkv3]

Those. You want to say that we have a serial engine of the second stage?
Wasn’t he, by chance, tested in today's flight?
Did he demonstrate the quality of the series?

[kit88]

You, as an expert, tell me please, what does the 2 stage engine have to do with categorizing an airplane. What can it and can not the engine of the 1st stage because of which it is impossible to rank the Su-57 in the 5th generation?

[Nkv3]

To begin with, I would like to duplicate my question.
Do we have a second stage serial engine?
The one, due to the lack of which India left the joint project?

[Horace the Philosopher]

Putin promised Erdogan to sell the Su57! Now probably decide to buy

[parkello]

Journalists distort. since they themselves cannot intelligibly and intelligibly write, bone-speaking and dementia do not allow. Well, the fifth column fulfills its dividends. even give them the finished text, just rewrite it, and there they will manage to make 4 mistakes in each word. and the author will be to blame .. you see the curve writing ...

[Smirnov Vadim]

DOESN'T MISS THE MILITARY REVIEW OF THE ARTICLE WITH SOKHU) ORIGINAL)

You didn’t mix anything up? Guancha and Sohu - is there a difference?

https://www.guancha.cn/military-affairs/2019_12_24_529331.shtml
https://www.sohu.com/a/362454015_587233?spm=smpc.home.mil-pics.2.1577176177225ciFe50v&_f=index_milfocus_1

[Lipchanin]

Quote: ℳy ℒiƒℯ

how many zircons will be dumped on New York and how many states one avant-garde will cover.

For your nest of "children of officers from the Crimea" one noise-light grenade is enough to spread your diarrhea throughout the "Square"

[Errr]

Quote: ℳy ℒiƒℯ

Well, they are trying for you.

No, Mulife. This is just a Chinese scribe ...

[Tzar]

In Soviet times, it didn't seem to be as much time between development and the beginning of exploitation in the troops as it is now. For example, for Mig-31 ~ 13 years. Current projects do not have the same pace; if they are silent for 20 years, then taxpayers and all-proponents will have questions ...

[Finn]

All-crawlers are they independent of circumstances and will always be, but is someone interested in the opinion of taxpayers? Well, let’s say I have an opinion and questions - what should I do with this? Write a comment about this in the VO option, but not enough. Any other suggestions?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Tzar

In Soviet times, it didn't seem to be as much time between development and the beginning of exploitation in the troops as it is now. N

You did not confuse the PO-2 with the Tu-160?
A scooter with a Formula 2 car?

[Tzar]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: Tzar

In Soviet times, it didn't seem to be as much time between development and the beginning of exploitation in the troops as it is now. N

You did not confuse the PO-2 with the Tu-160?
A scooter with a Formula 2 car?

I cited as an example the MiG, which was the first Soviet fighter of the 4th generation and which set more than one record and is still a serious weapon. Is it really so incomparable with the Su-57 project?

[max702]

Quote: Tzar

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: Tzar

In Soviet times, it didn't seem to be as much time between development and the beginning of exploitation in the troops as it is now. N

You did not confuse the PO-2 with the Tu-160?
A scooter with a Formula 2 car?

I cited as an example the MiG, which was the first Soviet fighter of the 4th generation and which set more than one record and is still a serious weapon. Is it really so incomparable with the Su-57 project?

With each generation, the costs of both resources and time grow by an order of magnitude .. The task is greatly complicated by this despite the new tools and opportunities, the development process is delayed and more expensive .. here you have given an example with Mig 13 years old, and remember how the characteristics changed dramatically during the Second World War the planes for several months .. and then how did they switch to a new generation, the process began to take years and more and more slowed down, began to work worse? Well, if only partly, but the main problem is the complexity of those opportunities that are unfortunately not enough in stock. Alas, we don’t see anything fundamentally new; there’s a technology update of the 30-40s .. Therefore, for a long time there are no breakthroughs .. Although the technology of the 3+ generation cannot compete with 4+, let alone 5 ..

[Roman070280]

With each generation, the costs of both resources and time grow by an order of magnitude ..

About the costs right .. I don’t agree about the time ..
The first FAAs were much more difficult to create .. later on everything went much faster .. ICBMs, satellites, AMSs, first space flights, then 1 people, spacewalk, moon exploration .. If by 3 years, even the pilots struggled to communicate with each other in an air battle, then after a little more than a dozen years, communication systems reached other planets .. Telescopes like Hubble turned their eyes on the universe, although until recently it seemed that our galaxy was the only one ... Microelectronics - over the past couple of decades, she’s done just crazy a breakthrough that you no longer have time to follow ..

In this article and subsequent interviews, he calls the dates of the flight to the moon - not earlier than 1969 and no later than 1975. Von Braun's forecast turned out to be accurate. Under his leadership, all six American expeditions to the moon were made between 1969-1972. But with regard to other expeditions, von Braun was too optimistic. He wrote:

“The first human missions to Venus can be carried out by 1975, if sufficient loans are allocated and all industrial means are used for this purpose. For the first landing on Mars or on one of its moons, it will be necessary to wait for the 80s ...
... The journey to the moon under the Apollo program is simply an intelligence mission, similar to the one carried out by the army, before entering an unknown territory. After the Apollo program, the actual conquest of space will begin. ”

The Americans lagged behind the Union in space until Kennedy announced a historic decision, and the allocation of funds for this !! And it worked !!
I think that von Braun was not much mistaken at the expense of Venus / Mars (because he was not a science fiction, but like no one else really understood human capabilities) .. the only question is proper financing ..

[Rusj]

No one has proven that Amers were on the moon! Nobody officially and most importantly materially and visually! Just do not understand video editing. Well, now they don’t fly there after more than 50 years. A rocket with a dvigl can’t be built for how many years of a decade. They have already for this time the city should be under the domes.
Already got with this moon.

[Roman070280]

No one has proven that Amers were on the moon!

And nobody here is going to prove anything to you ..

Well, now they don’t fly there after more than 50 years. A rocket with a dvigl can’t be built for how many years of a decade. They have already there during this time the city should be under the domes

After more than 50 years, we are not sending anything to Mars, or to Venus, or even to the moon ..

A rocket with a dvigl can’t be built for how many years of a decade.

Space telescopes:
Hubble is a space reflector telescope. (USA).
James Webb - Orbital Infrared Observatory (NASA, ESA, CSA).

Automatic interplanetary stations:
"Pioneer" - a program for the study of the moon, interplanetary space, Jupiter and Saturn. (USA)
Voyager is a giant planetary exploration program. (USA)
“Mariner” - studies of Venus, Mars and Mercury. (USA)
"Mars Express" - an artificial satellite of Mars, the landing of the Mars rover "Beagle-2". (ESA)
Galileo is a study of Jupiter and its moons. (NASA)
Cassini is a study of Saturn, its rings and moons. (NASA, ESA, IKA)
Huygens is a probe for studying the atmosphere of Titan. (ESA)
“Rosetta” - a spacecraft landing on the nucleus of comet Churyumov-Gerasimenko (ESA)
MESSENGER - Mercury Research (NASA)
Magellan - A Study of Venus (NASA)
New Horizons - A Study of Pluto and its Satellites (NASA)
Venus Express - Venus Exploration (ESA)
Mars Atmosphere and Volatile Evolution - an artificial satellite to study the atmosphere of Mars (NASA)

Space probes for studying the sun:
The "Solar Probe" is a study of the Sun, its corona and magnetic fields (NASA).
“Observatory of Solar Dynamics” - the study of the Sun and understanding of its impact on the Earth and near-Earth space by studying the solar atmosphere (NASA).
SOHO - study of the state of the solar atmosphere, the activity of solar corona and wind (ESA, NASA).

Landing Modules:
InSight - the study of the internal structure and composition of Mars (NASA).
Mars Scout - NASA's Mars exploration space program:
Phoenix - soil research in the polar region of the planet.
Mars Pathfinder - Photographing, Weather Research (NASA).

Mars rovers:
Mars Exploration Rover - NASA's Mars exploration program:
“Spirit” - the study of sedimentary rocks in craters (Gusev, Erebus and adjacent);
“Opportunity” - the study of sedimentary rocks in craters (Guseva, Erebus and adjacent).
Martian Science Lab - Mars Study Program (NASA):
Curiosity - Get detailed information about the geology and climate of Mars.
Mars Pathfinder - NASA program for testing technical solutions for cheap surface landings:
Sojorner - study of the composition of the rocks.

Orbital stations:
Mars Global Surveyor - surface mapping, relay data from Mars rovers to Earth (NASA).
"Mars Odyssey" - the study of the geological structure, the search for minerals and the relay of data from Mars rovers (NASA)

I think for the first time it’s enough .. the untrained brain of the surplus of new information may not be able to withstand ..))
Or maybe I'm wrong, and you have a list with the achievements of Russia there is more .. (please do not include the sale of Soviet engines to the amer in the list of achievements)

Already got with this moon.

Drink poison, calm down ..))

[Horace the Philosopher]

Roman bravo !!! I applaud you standing !!! Rarely in VO you will meet people with a sober head and amazing logic! Something we don’t grab today!

[EvilLion]

And do you know that they then distributed stones from the Moon to very many, including Soviet scientists, and no one had any questions? But you doubt further. And now they don’t fly, because
a) What for now nobody needs it.
b) They have Elon Musk, he has already been promising them a new missile longer than from the end of the Second World War to the flight of Gagarin.

[Timx]

Leonov and Grechko assured everyone that they saw the aliens with their own eyes (`` they swore by their mother ''), what are the objections to the Americans - until the last days of their lives, they drove to them for treatment and rest 2 times a year `` for free '' together with his relatives ..

[Ultimus]

It is enough to watch one of the issues "scientists against myths", so as not to relay openly shameful thoughts.
21 century, and in the minds, as before, the Middle Ages.
Simple suggestive questions:
1. In what year did man first visit the pole, and in which he did it again?
2. In what year did the person visit the bottom of the Mariana Trench, and in which year did it again?

[Horace the Philosopher]

You don’t say this to Ilon Mask, otherwise he doesn’t know that it takes decades to develop! And then from scratch in a couple of years he began to shoot rockets using modern technologies to reduce development and implementation time

[Timx]

Immediately visible is the `` philosopher '' hammering a nail into the wall with a 3D printer in his wet dreams)))

[Timx]

The MiG-31 is, in fact, a deeply modified MiG-25: the airframe was modified by lengthening for two full-fledged crew seats, an influx in front of the wing (forcedly) was added + numerous `` technological moments '' that were not visible to the eye of the layman - all this led to weight and decrease in its flight qualities; engines - basically the same D-30 (from the Il-76) with the introduction of afterburner and alteration of the cop and nozzle by the tiny team of TMKB `` SOYUZ '' (Turaevo); from a completely new one - only the Zaslon radar with PFAR, a communications (guidance) system and an R-33 missile ..

[EvilLion]

13 Years and 19-20 are not such a big difference, the PAK FA started in 2001 and apparently went sluggishly until the mid-2000s.

[Vadim237]

In these tests, dozens of aircraft were lost, along with the pilots.

[at84432384]

No, much more than 13 years. Then they really tried not to advertise new developments. Here civilians did much faster, but the requirements presented to them do not change so quickly in time.

[Horace the Philosopher]

In the USA, the lunar program was launched in 1962, and the first rocket to the moon left in 1969! It took less than 7 years! And this is not a plane to develop, they created an entire industry from scratch here!

[max702]

Quote: Horace the Philosopher

And this is not a plane to develop, they created an entire industry from scratch here!

Come on, the movie industry has been working for a long time ...

[Pup1]

There is no super need for these weapons ... they showed the availability of technology ... if necessary, everything goes into production ... for Israel and the USA ... the availability of technology is critical .... for us there is ... there are simple cheap reliable yars. ..

[NEXUS]

Quote: Pup1

there are simple cheap reliable yars ...

This is exactly what our helmsmen argue for. And if there are not enough Yars, then there will be Vanguard, Poseidon and Sarmat. And the rest of the weapons can be used and the Soviet, since who will climb a country that has strategic nuclear forces? Everything would be fine, but only the Kremlin, how our army and navy are re-equipped and renewed are called the rearmament program with a big word.

[NN52]

NEXUS (Andrey)

Another quirk you have about "OUR BATON CORK"?
At least look, at your leisure ("sick"), what military equipment is supplied to the troops ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: NN52

Another quirk you have about "OUR BATON CORK"?
At least look, at your leisure ("sick"), what military equipment is supplied to the troops ...

I look .. and I see that this is not real rearmament. There is a Soviet modernization, and a little new is being given. And this is since 2000. Well, you know how to push slogans ... forward.

[NN52]

NEXUS (Andrey)

Christmas trees, sticks .... (you are "sick", or what ...), what are the slogans? Well, look at the statistics of the arrival of new equipment in the troops ...
Well, you give a pancake .....
How much can you pass yourself off as an ignoramus? What for? Self-flagellation - original?
Rzhu)))

[EvilLion]

That is, 300+ new "dryers", when the air forces of the leading NATO countries have degraded to about 150 machines - is that a bit? You have problems with logic, comrade.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: Pup1

There is no super need for these weapons ... they showed the availability of technology ... if necessary, everything goes into production ... for Israel and the USA ... the availability of technology is critical .... for us there is ... there are simple cheap reliable yars. ..

And factories and workers - engineers, and subcontractors - a complete set, and knowledge - experience, and a design school, and ...... "if necessary", and most importantly - all at once, at the behest of the "chief", will appear.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: kjhg

I mean, maybe the president didn’t need to be promoted on the day of the first flight of the T-50, and the military and military-industrial complex leaders announced grandiose procurement plans?

What does PR have to do with it?
Nowhere else do prototypes fall?
Read carefully which car fell

Recall that the plane crashed about 120 km from the factory test aerodrome of Komsomolsk-on-Amur during a test flight.

Is this a production car?

[kjhg]

Quote: Lipchanin

What does PR have to do with it?

Pure PR.

Quote: Lipchanin

Is this a production car?

You are behind the news. Already Interfax reported that the first production board crashed, which, according to the contract, were to be handed over to the VKS in a week.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: kjhg

Interfax reported that the first production board crashed, which under the contract in a week should have been delivered to the VKS

This is how rumors are born. We read carefully:

The fighter belonged to the branch of PJSC "Company" Sukhoi "KnAAZ im. Yu.A. Gagarin. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation should receive the first serial Su-57 this week

Where does it follow that the one that the MO should receive was crashed?

Right, out of nowhere

Oh yes:

 Link

https://www.interfax.ru/russia/689118

[littoral]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Where does it follow that the one that the MO should receive was crashed?

From the silence of MORF. Do you want to argue?

[Horon]

And here is MO ??? This is a factory product for testing! It does not even belong to the MO! So with what fright should the MO be held accountable for it?

[littoral]

Quote: Horon

And here is MO ???

Sorry, blunted. Indeed, where does the ministry to whom this aircraft was intended?

[Horon]

Before you buy a product, some products at the factory may be rejected. Can you also give explanations for something that has not reached you there, or can you talk only about what you are already using?

Sorry, blunted.

No, they didn’t dull, rather, the work is like that.

[littoral]

Quote: Horon

Before you buy a product, some products at the factory may be rejected. Can you also give explanations for something that has not reached you there, or can you talk only about what you are already using?

Yes, you are just the king of analogies! A kind of Philip Kirkorov, only in the epistolary genre.
Would you like to wager that MORPH will eventually admit that this aircraft was meant for him and not a "stage 2 engine test lab"?
(whispering) I know the answer.

[Horon]

(In a whisper) Even if the MO was intended and the engine of the second stage was not standing on it, the aircraft still could not belong to the MO, because passed the test! Accordingly, the maximum for which the MO can be accountable is for the aircraft arrival program itself, but not for this particular aircraft. And to confirm or deny the quality of the tests is nothing more. So do not throw the substance on the fan, and its quality will not change. (Loud)

No, they didn’t dull, rather, the work is like that.

[Horon]

PS The site programmer is a krivorukovy neprofessianal! It’s necessary to clog the pages with redundant code!

[littoral]

Quote: Horon

unprofessional

Is it your subconscious?

[littoral]

Quote: Horon

(In a whisper) Even if the MO was intended and the engine of the second stage was not standing on it, the aircraft still could not belong to the MO, because passed the test! Accordingly, the maximum for which the MO can be accountable is for the aircraft arrival program itself, but not for this particular aircraft. And to confirm or deny the quality of the tests is nothing more. So do not throw the substance on the fan, and its quality will not change. (Loud)

No, they didn’t dull, rather, the work is like that.

You are in the heat of the "class struggle against dissidents", you have lost the thread of the discussion (as with people like you constantly happens).
The question was whether this was the first "serial" aircraft intended for entry into the troops or a "flying laboratory". The Morph does not have to report anything and "deny the quality of tests." He just needs to confirm the loss of the aircraft intended for him. All!
Because MORF got water in his mouth and after more than enough time does not give any comments, then any sane person (this does not apply to you) will make the only correct conclusion: This is really the first production aircraft for MORF.
They did the right thing to evade the argument.

[Avior]

Interfax Su-57, not T-50
and this link
https://www.interfax.ru/russia/689131

[Lipchanin]

Quote: kjhg

Pure PR.

Do you know what "PR" is?
Who and whom "promoted"

that the first production board crashed,

Where did he crash?
After surrendering to the troops?

120 km from the factory test aerodrome Komsomolsk-on-Amur

The word TEST is not familiar to you?

[EvilLion]

Machines from the factory fly around there, including serial ones and even from repair.

[FRoman1984]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: kjhg

I mean, maybe the president didn’t need to be promoted on the day of the first flight of the T-50, and the military and military-industrial complex leaders announced grandiose procurement plans?

What does PR have to do with it?
Nowhere else do prototypes fall?
Read carefully which car fell

Recall that the plane crashed about 120 km from the factory test aerodrome of Komsomolsk-on-Amur during a test flight.

Is this a production car?

Yes, this is the first production aircraft. Number 01 is blue.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: kjhg

I mean, maybe the president didn’t need to be promoted on the day of the first flight of the T-50, and the military and military-industrial complex leaders announced grandiose procurement plans?

What does PR have to do with it?
Nowhere else do prototypes fall?
Read carefully which car fell

Recall that the plane crashed about 120 km from the factory test aerodrome of Komsomolsk-on-Amur during a test flight.

Is this a production car?

To my great regret, serial. I don’t want to believe in it myself. Hard news.

A promising fifth-generation Su-57 fighter crashed in the Khabarovsk Territory tested the engine at maximum speeds, former commander of the 4th Air Force and Air Defense Army, Lieutenant General Valery Gorbenko, told RIA Novosti.

“At the stage of flight tests of the engine, it is driven at maximum conditions and angles of attack. It checks how electronics, air intakes and other systems work. All production aircraft are tested by factory test pilots who are serious professionals before being transferred to the troops, ”the general said.

the accident occurred due to a malfunction in the control system, in particular, tail assembly.

The crashed plane was the first production Su-57. This car before the end of the year should have delivered the Russian Aerospace Forces.

https://m.lenta.ru/news/2019/12/24/al41f1/

[EvilLion]

This is a car that MO has not yet had time to accept, the first production one, in general MO 0 losses, the plant receives insurance and makes a new one. The insurer is saddened. The plans for training pilots are most likely moved for half a year, or one of the last 2 prototypes is involved in this business.

[Mavrikiy]

The USSR is good, but those were different times.
Military secrets are all the characteristics of military equipment, even when they are removed from service.
And in the journal "Foreign Military Review" the performance characteristics of their weapons were given almost completely. Business, here performance characteristics are important, whoever is higher, they will buy from that, and you can raise the price.
And we embarked on this slippery path. But they can always be disclosed to the TTX, they are aggressors, they will fight with all the kagal, and then the TTX will not be important.
And we must open them for trade and classify them, for the defense of the country. Weapons need to be done not only for MO and "E", but also for "only ME", like Paseidon, and you don't need to talk about it. Advertising it as a weapon of containment, nonsense. Who will be afraid of weapons? It is not the world order that is crumbling, but the world itself. Civil wars are prophesied all over the world, from Europe to China.
And we are showing everyone here which direction to work, and depriving ourselves of a chance to survive.

[SovietUnit]

In the USSR, aircraft were built and other equipment for fulfilling combat missions! In the Russian Federation, they are building dummies for rating and cutting. That's the whole difference here, there’s nothing to even discuss.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: SovietUnit

In the USSR, aircraft were built and other equipment for fulfilling combat missions! In the Russian Federation, they are building dummies for rating and cutting. That's the whole difference here, there’s nothing to even discuss.

About a few years ago on this site there were really people who understood issues in military equipment and the state of the Russian Armed Forces.
Now they have come, or have come such that they only know how to pour out their hatred from "nezalezhnaya" onto Russia.
YOU, "saw cut" passed by you, or YOU were carried by?
Admins and moderators, well, when will IT be covered? After all, apart from the dirt, nothing is visible from them.
Come up with a filter from these "specialists"

[Inspector]

I’m finally for Russia, but if I see the fifth column on every corner, I’m not going to applaud this. Unlike the patriots. I say that Vaino. Kiriyenko. Borisov, Krivoruchko, Surkov Peskov. working for the enemy, like Andropov, the bugs. Kuusinen Gorbachev Yeltsin.

[YOUR]

What kind of journalists are there? Already got this Soha.
Sohu ("Sohu") is a Chinese Internet company that combines a media portal, a search engine, as well as the largest information brand in the Chinese Internet space, built like Yandex Zen. Anyone can write whatever they want. You can and should listen to what Zhenmin Ribao writes, but Sohu is a collection of OBS gossip.

[川 建国]

You are absolutely right about that. It is officially reported that the Russian su - 57 crashed. Finding a fox is not an official press, and this press is not well known in China. Because today I also received the news of the wreck of - 57. 中国 军 迷

[YOUR]

The conversation is not about the plane crash, but about the conclusions made by the author.

[Nkv3]

Well, Armata should have sung laudatory odes, presumably, after the frank statement of Deputy Prime Minister Borisov.
It is likely that a similar fate befell the Su-57.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: kjhg

Maybe we should behave more restrained? I mean, maybe the president didn’t need to be promoted on the day of the first flight of the T-50, and the military and military-industrial complex leaders announced grandiose procurement plans? In Soviet times, the latest developments were kept secret.

These who are "new" rushing from pride. The old ones were more modest. In all senses.

[Astronaut]

In Soviet times, the latest developments were kept secret

In Soviet times, there was no Internet and smartphones ...

[FOBOSS]

Now the time is different, you need to PR and monitor the reaction of partners. PR will provide interest, and accordingly the demand for weapons. Plus, under the influence of PR, partners will rush into various adventurous projects. Type of American Star Wars only in the Russian version.

[kjhg]

Quote: FOBOSS

PR will provide interest, and accordingly the demand for weapons.

Well, answer, did you sell a lot of Su-57, Armat, Kurgan and Boomerang at the expense of endless PR?

Quote: FOBOSS

Plus, under the influence of PR, partners will rush into various adventurous projects

I wonder who after the PR rushed to create analogues of our military equipment? Do not hold others for round fools. There, unlike our population, processed by propaganda, they just understand what our level of technology and industry is worth, which threatens to surpass everyone. Even the Hindus dancers dumped from this project. What else are you talking about?

[FOBOSS]

PR is not an advertising booklet. This is when military equipment and products are heard first and foremost, pay attention to it and buy something affordable. But about the one who rushed to create something similar: the Germans - a new tank, Americans lasers, South Korea and Japan, a 5th generation aircraft, etc.

[Aaron Zawi]

The event is unpleasant for any aircraft manufacturer. But no one could avoid such disasters. Moreover, new platforms always have a lot of problems.

Moscow. December 24th. INTERFAX.RU - The fifth-generation fighter Su-57, which crashed on Tuesday in the Khabarovsk Territory, was the first production model; by the end of 2019 it was to be handed over to the military, an informed source told Interfax.
"This is the first serial Su-57, which the plant was supposed to transfer to the military before the end of the year," - said the agency's interlocutor. He noted that the transfer of equipment was scheduled for the current week.

[MoJloT]

The event is unpleasant for any aircraft manufacturer. But no one could avoid such disasters. Moreover, new platforms always have a lot of problems.

100% true, but so far, according to unconfirmed data, the pilot’s mistake, he remained well alive, the rest is fixable.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

The event is unpleasant

The most unpleasant thing is that now they will have to build one more at their own expense, because they will not pay for a broken MO, this is in any case, and it doesn’t matter if it’s serial, go laboratory flying.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Gray Brother

The most unpleasant thing is that now they will have to build one more at their own expense, because they will not pay for a broken MO, this is in any case, and it doesn’t matter if it’s serial, go laboratory flying.

Insurance? No?

[Gray brother]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Insurance? No?

Not sure. Serial, until the factory tests pass, is not considered a finished product at all - this is a set of spare parts not certified, and no one will insure a prototype because the risks are too high.

[URAL72]

Do not tell me, “a carrier rocket, generally a disposable product, but go insure it.”

[Gray brother]

Quote: URAL72

Don’t tell, - the carrier rocket, in general, a disposable product

And he is already a finished product, as is his load.

[URAL72]

In this case, the insurer will pay compensation for a separate "finished" product, for example, an engine, or another "spare part".

[Gray brother]

Quote: URAL72

In this case, compensation will be paid by the insurer of a separate "finished" product,

I’m not familiar with this practice, and therefore wrote that I’m not sure.

[businessv]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Poison is sprayed. They themselves are silent about their schools.

Yes, colleague, we just found an informational occasion, but a way to light up and be patriotic, just in case!

[Chaldon48]

Envy shows well who is, here are the Chinese and show what kind of "friends" he is. They themselves are full of the "newest" on our engines flies.

[Valery Valery]

Yes, maybe enough to pay attention to the incompetence of some fools. Well, I wrote crap, and here we advertise it.

[Lord of the Sith]

Yes, I would not call one of the largest publications in China "fools".
Here is another.

[Freeman]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Yes, I would not call one of the largest publications in China "fools".
Here is another.

Sohu, as I understand it, is a diversified Internet company
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sohu).
Not the fact that "the largest edition" does not give a "yellowness".
Let me remind you that the largest publication in Russia in the 90s is AIDS-Info (circulation up to 10 million copies).

[川 建国]

You are wrong, search is not the official Chinese press on which anyone can publish their articles. People's Daily reports the fall of the Russian su - 57. The Globe Times writes the same. Official Chinese media, renmindao, global times, xinhua news agency, guangming newspaper, people's liberation army newspaper, etc. In conclusion, I apologize for insulting the Russian people in relation to the search for this loser-media. I'm sorry, but the search is a media failure

[Fraracol_2]

Did you write something different about the F-35?

[Horon]

There are western sites for Jewish songs and Jewish boys lickingly licking any product of the western military-industrial complex.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Fraancol_2

Did you write something different about the F-35?

Well, I won’t talk about your professionalism. Already said
Just like that, for the development of Moss.
Is there a difference between SERIAL production and FACTORY?

[Gray brother]

Quote: Fraancol_2

Did you write something different about the F-35?

I liked about F-35 here as one test subject wrote that not a single person was killed in accidents.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Poison is sprayed. They themselves are silent about their schools.

Yes, they don’t have
Years later, "dtsat" through clenched teeth, "yes, it seems there was something, but we don't remember anymore"
Only we have a saying about a beam in the eye

[opus]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

They themselves are silent about their schools.

1. Do not be silent

2. Their (EMERGENCY) they have not so much. And they fly a lot
Shenyang J-11 seems to be no
Shenyang J-15 collision with a bird August 16, 2017: fire, bailout, possibly in 2019 (video above)
Shenyang J-31-no
Chengdu J-20-no
3. What they write is understandable:
Soh, she's so
+ The Chinese need to promote their 31 and 20 at any cost

Quote: Lord of the Sith

And only he who does not fly does not fall.

well, or one who does not taxiing on the runway

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but seriously, this accident is a very bad, but quite predictable result.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: opus

but seriously, this accident is a very bad, but quite predictable result.

Well, what were these forecasts?
Is it not from those sources that "forecasts" about "Crimean Bridge" give?

[Gray brother]

Quote: Lipchanin

Is it not from those sources that "forecasts" about "Crimean Bridge" give?

Russia will fall and Putin will flee to the DPRK))) At Lubyanka there is already a helicopter with untwisted blades)))

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Gray Brother

At Lubyanka is already a helicopter with untwisted blades

... next to the sand-filled boots. And stockings

[Gray brother]

Quote: Golovan Jack

.. next to the sand-filled boots. And stockings

No, this is in the basement, where schoolchildren are dissatisfied with the regime, and the helicopter on the roof as it should be.

[opus]

Quote: Gray Brother

No, it's in the basement, where schoolchildren are dissatisfied with the regime

schoolchildren do not need to be touched, this product is now in short supply: the Russian Guard is training for them, so the cabbage general

In the Novotroitsk school of the Tukaevsky district of Tatarstan, the Russian Guard is conducting exercises on pupils of grade 9: students were asked to attack the staff in full outfit, with shields

The chairman of the Alliance of Teachers Union of the Republic of Tatarstan, Raushan Valiullin, announced on Facebook.

-I think they lie again, yes

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[Gray brother]

Quote: opus

conducts exercises on students of grade 9: students were asked to attack employees in full gear, with shields

These are not teachings, but just for fun, have fun. Here are the teachings:

[opus]

Quote: Gray Brother

These are not teachings, but just for fun, have fun.

1. Everyone has their own opinion, I think these our "teachings" are absolutely idiotic, and on my junior, you shouldn't train like that
2. The sheep, who took into account the action in Tatarstan, simply do not understand what they are doing, or the roof went completely at the fraud with the purchase of cabbage for the personnel.

Quote: Gray Brother

Here are the teachings:

and this action then, yes?

How many Krivoruchko rolled in there? 3,5 years?
/ Only then do not squeak when you yourself fall under the distribution
similar

In Tatarstan detained protesters against the construction of an incinerator

Article 20.2.2 of the Administrative Code + the police plans to draw up a second protocol under Article 19.3 of the Administrative Code
write like that

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[Gray brother]

Quote: opus

and on my youngest, you shouldn’t just train like that

Valuev trains on children:

[opus]

Quote: Gray Brother

Valuev trains on children:

Brother ... umm, I don’t understand. Are you kidding me, or seriously.
Does it not reach that the children are not stupid now (they are not victims of the USE by disciplines) this is clear, but politically, all sorts of shura-moons in their heads, networks, chats ...
Only a clinical walk could use them as an object of training for the OMON.
Little to them swamp ..

[Gray brother]

Quote: opus

Brother ... umm, I don’t understand. Are you kidding me, or seriously.

Seriously of course.

Quote: opus

kids are not stupid now

To be naive and be led to all sorts of dregs, it is not necessary to be stupid.
Life experience is only gained with age, whatever you say. And then not everyone - if someone lives in greenhouse conditions, then he remains so infantile.

[opus]

Quote: Lipchanin

Is it not from those sources that "forecasts" about "Crimean Bridge" give?

maybe this crap is enough to write about the daughters of officers, forecasts of the Crimean bridge. Well, you can’t just indulge in so many monkeys and these mantras?
And do not stretch here for 58 ^ 1, 58 ^ 1g and 58 ^ 2-58 ^ 14 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR 1922

[Vadim237]

These are the predictions for the T 50 accident - you yourself thought it out.

[opus]

Quote: Vadim237

These are the predictions for the T 50 accident - you yourself thought it out.

1. Forecasts are always made up by someone "himself". Alice, Siri and others have not yet been honored
2. no need

Quote: opus

here extend to 58 ^ 1, 58 ^ 1g and 58 ^ 2-58 ^ 14 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR 1922

Do you have anything to do with Homo sapiens? (or are you homo insipiens?)
READ ARE ABLE?
WHAT DO I WRITE? what?

Quote: opus

this accident is very bad but quite predictable result.

Is there a difference between forecast and forecast?
etc.-can be predicted either with sufficient accuracy, either with a probabilistic outcome.
n. here:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B7
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why is the result predicted?
Yes, because
The PD-50 is now at the bottom, and it is unlikely to get out of there, because the Superjet burned down and people died, but because, in the end, it’s just that the Head of the Customs Investigation Department of the Federal Customs Service lieutenant general Alexander Kizlyk

600 dollars, 000 euros, gold bars and luxury watches were found and seized

[Michael67]

Why are you printing these sohoixperds? They, such as opinion, are only our liberde to feed. To peck this rice, and then toss on the fan. It turns out, feed the Libers.

[川 建国]

Indeed, there are many sites in China that reported the crash of su57 in the first place, and our internet users discussed this, and we joked: “it was su57 that India touched.”

[Magog]

A competitor is also a competitor in China! Before this accident, the Su-57 demonstrated all the points "next to the 4th generation", which cannot be said so far either about the Chinese "J" or about the American "F" supposedly of the 5th generation.

[levmaslov]

Hooray! We won.

[MoJloT]

about Su-57 as an aircraft of the “4 +++” generation (3 +++ in the Chinese version)

As it is not enough pluses.

[askort154]

MoJloT about Su-57 as an aircraft of the “4 +++” generation (3 +++ in the Chinese version)
As it is not enough pluses.

This is not a plus. This is one of 5000 hieroglyphs. And what they mean, even the Chinese do not know everything.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: askort154

This is not a plus. This is one of 5000 hieroglyphs. And what do they mean, even the Chinese do not know everything

But how beautifully they describe

Just get scared

[Fedorov]

Who would have mastered the verb with the initial letter. And there is straight "parade of planets ... China is resting.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Fedorov

Whoever mastered a Glagolitic letter with an initial letter.

Glad to rate

[川 建国]

As a Chinese, I know only a few of them. Perhaps this word was used in an ancient sacrifice, which is rarely used. In conclusion, I would like to say that fishing in China is poorly voiced, and that many Chinese media like to make fun of other countries. But I think this is wrong, but from the point of view of the Chinese authorities, we regret it. We hope that the Russian comrades will be able to restore the su-57, which is a great country, as soon as possible, and I would say that Russia simply needs money, and this is solely thanks to the sanctions of the West. 我 不 知道 那张 图片 是 什么 意思 ， 但是我 认为 这 是 一张 好 图 ， 我 拿去给 中国 网友 看看。

[tracer]

Thank you dear Chinese friend. I think that by joining forces together, our countries will be able to successfully confront the hybrid war that the Anglo-Saxon elites declared to us. I think that they are well aware in China. It will be harder for us alone.

[Vadim237]

In general, the Chinese have a total of 109000 characters in writing.

[rocket757]

This crash will overshadow the plans for the development of new generation fighters in Russia.

Why would it suddenly be? There will be falls, there will be victories .... it has always been so.

[cniza]

P so on the contrary - this is a valuable experience ... Greetings!

[rocket757]

Hi
The aircraft should come to the combat pilots fully "run in", tested in any difficult situations! This is the law of aviation.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: rocket757

Hi
The aircraft should come to the combat pilots fully "run in", tested in any difficult situations! This is the law of aviation.

I agree that we need this test. And for the reason:

"The prospective fifth-generation fighter Su-57 that crashed in the Khabarovsk Territory was testing the engine at maximum modes," Lieutenant General Valery Gorbenko, former commander of the 4th Air Force and Air Defense Army, told RIA Novosti.

“At the stage of flight tests of the engine, it is driven at maximum conditions and angles of attack. It checks how electronics, air intakes and other systems work. All production aircraft are tested by factory test pilots who are serious professionals before being transferred to the troops, ”the general said.

According to TASS, which cites two sources in the military-industrial complex, the accident occurred due to a malfunction in the control system, in particular, the tail unit. "

[rocket757]

Quote: Aleksandr21

I agree that we need this test.

Rules, instructions, written in blood!
A test pilot is better prepared, experience in conducting numerous extreme tests, it’s not just like that, it’s the best chance in any case.

[Vadim237]

The control system on this aircraft should be duplicated.

[cniza]

These are common truths, and not only for aviation, but for all V.S. and soho - well, what to take from him.

[rocket757]

Quote: cniza

and soho - well, what to take from him.

Well, yes, this is the sandpiper who croaks only for his swamp.

[cniza]

I don’t even know how to correctly name it, it looks like an information fighter.

[rocket757]

Well, yes, the Internet is filled with lines of such fighters.
Also work, since they get paid for it.

[cniza]

So they have it state. program.

[littoral]

Quote: rocket757

The aircraft should come to the combat pilots fully "run in", tested in any difficult situations! This is the law of aviation.

Not tired of writing slogans? Tell the MI-28 pilots.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: rocket757

There will be falls, there will be victories .... it has always been so.

The main thing is not to stay lying, but to STAND and keep going
And we can do it

[rocket757]

Quote: Lipchanin

The main thing is not to stay lying, but to STAND and keep going
And we can do it

Of course, falling would be less, but if this is not possible, then the ability to always get up and move on is not at all superfluous.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: rocket757

then the ability to always get up and move on is not at all superfluous.

This is the main thing.
adversaries were admitted to Morskva, but they got up and in their capitals celebrated Victory

[rocket757]

The adversary also visited Moscow .... and then what, rolled back like a beaten dog, to its very capitals!

[viber]

Competition) or anything personal ..

[kolkulon]

Does the publication plow in any way on china-defense industry?

[bessmertniy]

Sooner rejoice Chinese comrades. The death of a factory aircraft is a serious nuisance, but tests of new technology include failures and some reserve is always made with an eye on them.

[maidan.izrailovich]

.... testing new technology involves failure ....

The Chinese basically copy what someone has already experienced.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

The Chinese basically copy what someone has already experienced.

Nevertheless, it breaks more often than the original

[Rakovor]

Better to tell how many Chinese planes crashed during the tests.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Rakovor

Better to tell how many Chinese planes crashed during the tests.

And fso shto behind the Chinese wall is not considered.
No such
These originals are unsuccessful

[tlauicol]

We have no friends ...

[Winnie76]

Nobody has them

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

China incites and shows its true face in relation to Russia, that is, complete neglect.

What did they do? What is not an arms system, then a copy on the copy and low performance characteristics. And they imagine themselves to be great gunsmiths.

[Nastia makarova]

this is a yellow newspaper does

[Blackmokona]

In the PRC, all state media

[Nastia makarova]

and they write what they want

[Blackmokona]

In China, a powerful censorship system, only approved will be written

[Lipchanin]

Quote: BlackMokona

In China, a powerful censorship system, only approved will be written

Have you experienced it on yourself? Or have they beguiled North Korea? Or maybe with the non-brothers?
Where there is Internet and private property, censorship by definition does not make sense

[Blackmokona]

Tell this to the Chinese government, otherwise they spend a huge amount of money on it.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: BlackMokona

Tell this to the Chinese government, otherwise they spend a huge amount of money on it.

I'll tell you
Internet is not prohibited there.
And the fact that you were told the opinion of ONE edition does not mean that there is no other

[Blackmokona]

Such cases

The Golden Shield Project (Chinese 金盾 工程, jīndùn gōngchéng, unofficial name is the Great Firewall of China - a play on words derived from the Great Wall of China - Great The Wall of China) is a system for filtering Internet content in the PRC.The development of the project began in 1998 and was commissioned throughout the country in 2003. This system includes subsystems such as a security management system (治安 管理 信息 系统), a system reporting of offenses (刑事 案件 信息 系统), exit and input control system ( 出入境 管理 信息 系统), information monitoring system (监管 人员 信息 系统), traffic management system (交通 管理 信息 系统) [1].

The Golden Shield is one of China's 12 key e-governement projects called the “Golden”.

[Freeman]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

this is a yellow newspaper does

A pun, gentlemen!
- "Chinese newspaper - gives off yellowness"
/ (c) Lieutenant Rzhevsky /

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

China incites and shows its true face in relation to Russia, that is, complete neglect.

Is the newspaper a whole China?
Read about yourself here? Is this the opinion of the whole site?

[Sitearvi]

All planes fall, the main pilot is alive. And who has airplanes of which generation life will show. Unlike the Chinese, we do not copy other people's planes. Moreover, the test flight. It would be worse if he fell after being transferred to the troops.

[awdrgy]

So the Chinese show their essence Isn't it time to bury the "barrels" with "BUKs" (as an urgent economy option)?

[Ross xnumx]

And these "friends" are right there. We decided to add a fly in the ointment.
Tests ... The pilot is alive ... Are narrow-mindedness and narrow-eyedness related symptoms?
Let's skip past the eyes and ears, like a black-and-white din and dog barking ...
If you look, these Chinese will not solve our Russian problems anyway.

[Operator]

The aircraft in the experimental configuration crashed during a test flight with new "product 30" engines, so questions only to the engine operators.

[Herman 4223]

The first serial fell, they are already writing about this in the news.

[Horon]

Serial with new engines? Usually, any modification is first tested, after which the series is accepted or brought to mind! Someone either does not know this system or is deliberately misleading.

[Herman 4223]

About the new engines, I saw a mention on this site.
And so they write that the first serial.
https://yandex.ru/turbo?text=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.interfax.ru%2Frussia%2F689131&utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=mobile&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews&brand=news
Let’s see later what information should appear.

[Herman 4223]

Here's another.
https://yandex.ru/turbo?text=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vedomosti.ru%2Fpolitics%2Farticles%2F2019%2F12%2F24%2F819543-su-57&utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=mobile&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews&brand=news

[Horon]

Thank! Read. About the engine, yes - nothing is written. But the plane really passed the test and, apparently, did not pass if it determined a technical malfunction. So the second number will go through everything from the very beginning. The plane is still owned by the airline and is not transferred to the MO. This means losses on the airline. It seems like a rush.

[Herman 4223]

A new machine after assembly is always tested, even if it is serial. I have such a suspicion that someone at the plant messed up, but the response did not find it. Experienced cars and there are 11 of them, the one that hasn’t crashed in 9 years. And here in the first flight.

[Horon]

Rush! Hurry to report on the transfer to the troops.

[Herman 4223]

Maybe that too. We hastened someone to have time before the end of the year. Anything can happen.

[cniza]

At the same time, the author in Sohu does not make any reference to the fact that this is a test flight.

Oh, it’s a sucker, but they don’t give a damn about their opinions and conclusions, experts too ...

[Gnefredov]

Honestly, these “yellow brothers” are disgusting to me (as is their point of view). Do they want to be like a smart monkey watching the fight from the outside? Well, well, it might sound crazy now, Russia and the States (including Israel) will have to fight against the new hegemon. Remember my words.
PS Ishtyblin, already rubbing their snotty paws in the press. Duplicators are premature. It’s better to be friends with the Indians than with these, damn it.

[Winnie76]

Quote: Gnefredov

Duplicators are premature. It’s better to be friends with the Indians than with these, damn it.

Kindergarten. There is no "friendship" in international relations. It's more like a snake terrarium here. And your proposal sounds something like this: "This cobra hisses somehow wrong - I will be friends with the viper."

[Gnefredov]

Time will put everything in its place.

[Herman 4223]

They say for one beaten two unbeaten give. So there was some kind of defect in technology or design that had not shown itself before. Maybe some scammer at the factory messed up. The reason will reveal the car will be more reliable. It’s a pity of course that the first serial failed, but what to do.

[Finn]

Our proverb: "the first pancake is lumpy.". The rest of the pancakes should be great.

[anjey]

For beaten, they give two not beaten, the proverb says, so this incident can help identify the shortcomings that have now manifested.

[Pariv]

What is the beef about, really? An aircraft undergoing development crashed during testing is very common. Just look at the issues that the F-35 faced and still facing. The crash of a development SU-57 is not news.

[1536]

June 23, 2014, September 23, 2016, October 27, 2016 (!), August 22, 2018, September 4, 2018 - dates of flight accidents with the F-35. Mostly the engine burns on take-off or in flight. September 28, 2018, April 9, 2019 - F-35 crash.
So whose program for the construction of new aircraft should be closed according to the logic of some commentators? Maybe enough already to talk about our aircraft in a derogatory tone, scolding the aircraft industry, pilots, etc.?
I do not believe in coincidence that one of them crashes before the planes are transferred to the troops. But without the decision of the commission to analyze the causes of the death of our aircraft, any conclusions will be superficial.

[voyaka uh]

Issued 500 pieces. Crashed 2 pieces.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: gryaznov.igor.

already got these clumsy news from China,

They do not give you sleep?
Do they interfere with work?
And mnu here on the drum that they scream there

[gryaznov.igor.]

They like rats rejoice at our problems.

[Victor March 47]

In such cases, the monkeys jump, showing and slapping themselves on the ass.
Sohu, apparently, organized and grew up in a flock of these harmless thieves.

[ultra]

How long will we still read any nonsense from the Sohu portal?

[toha124]

And what, there are few legendary aircraft in the history of aviation, which, when they got up on the wing, were "widowmakers"? And some have been like this throughout their careers ...

[7,62x54]

You better watch your J20 there

[Kaw]

The funny thing is that the Chinese electronics most likely refused on the plane. And whose else could it be?

[gridasov]

The mind cannot understand Russia! They say no money? Yes, to invest in ruble the development of the production of components and the people in action and their technologies in development and money in circulation and the ruble is stronger. Therefore, for me, this is a direct sabotage.

[JonnyT]

This accident shows the main problem of the industry of the Russian Federation. In an attempt to reduce the cost of production, the quality of assemblies suffers - smaller metal, thinner tubes, etc. That does not hold the details of extreme loads

[Vadim237]

We still do not know why the accident happened - and you have already made a conclusion from scratch that "The quality of the units is to blame" is the military acceptance of such crap that you will never let it pass before deliveries to the troops, and for suppliers of such components it can threaten with multibillion-dollar claims from MO.

[JonnyT]

On the Mi-28, the units burst, because there were tiny ones, why couldn’t this be on the su? Moreover, the pilot was at maximum.

[Andrey VOV]

Here is a narrow-eyed mongrel, just to yap. Forgotten already as sparrows ate

[alexey alexeyev_2]

They would envy silently .. would appear smarter

[evgen1221]

Enough to live already with an eye on what the east and the east will say about us there. Tests, it happens, the topic is closed. As we lived and live with the kings, what they say about us, I suspect that we are the only ones in the world .... e.

[Sansculotte]

The patriots flutter, "yes, experienced, pkudah, but the product is not that" - and then, like a hammer on the head, "the first serial"))
Patriots, do not like power - ask her questions.

[Alien From]

The Chinas are happy, through narrow eyes they just can’t see that 57 is much better than their fifth generation .....

[Operator]

Quote: Herman 4223

write in the news

On the internet fence.

[Alex Alex_2]

Su-57 was simply uninitiated, here is the result.

[Alexey from Perm]

The eclipse will not eclipse, but it will delay and shift the program to the right, that's for sure. They say so because they themselves have a similar plane. India withdrew from the program due to the failure to achieve the declared characteristics of the aircraft.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: Tzar

then taxpayers and all-proponents will have questions ...

Since when did “those” become interested in the questions of “these”?

[Lena Petrova]

Quote: JonnyT

In an attempt to reduce the cost of production, the quality of assemblies suffers - smaller metal, thinner tubes, etc. That does not hold the details of extreme loads

There is technical documentation. Everything is indicated exactly there. On the knee, no one sculpts "tubes" at their own discretion.

[Ax Matt]

China will NEVER be our full ally or friend. His number one challenge now is to counter the growing potential of India. And he uses the USA and Russia: obtaining resources by all the truths and not truths. Be it technology or raw materials. I would rather believe in a future war with China over Siberia and the Far East, than for the wretched Baltic States from the USA. We should be careful to fraternize with the tea-pot ...

[DED_peer_DED]

There will be no war with China. They will simply occupy our lands and cities to the right of the Urals (which they already do with a quiet glanders), put their own people in power there, and that’s all. Living areas are occupied.
You do not think that the RF Armed Forces will deliver vigorous strikes against their own Siberia?

[Dzafdet]

Let them try to come to us. Already tried. All brought out and bring these.

Signature: stern South Ural guy ...

[DED_peer_DED]

"New Technologies" - Silently.

[Ax Matt]

When I served in the area of ​​the Chinese border, I received quite comprehensive information WHAT EXACTLY the "blows" would be delivered, if that. And believe me, THIS has been prepared there in "cropped blue divisions" just so much that it is possible to destroy India and its XNUMX billion population at the same time. And these are not nuclear weapons! The Chinese population is large, but very poorly educated for the most part. The warriors are mediocre, frankly speaking. I don’t know of a single historical battle that China won on its own, and the army, although enthusiastic, was poorly trained. And, about their quiet crawling into Russia, I agree. This is very disturbing! To a businessman friend in Moscow, the Chinese openly say with insolent smirks: soon it will all be ours, at least do something ...

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: Ax Matt

The Chinese businessman openly say to a businessman friend in Moscow that they will all be ours soon, at least do something ...

To that goes.
And, for the "masses" there is a TV box, where the "new Kashpirovsky" associates zombify them, that "everything is fine" and all this is HSP.

[川 建国]

Russia simply does not have enough money. Russia was the Soviet Union, a great country! Russia has funds only for a continuous compressed aircraft, but if Russia has such economic power as China, Russia could well build a military aircraft that does not lose f - 22

[Guru]

In the same article, the author writes about the Su-57 as an aircraft of the “4 +++” generation

Something pluses is not enough, you need to add a couple more.

[Dzafdet]

How good it was in the USSR. They practiced themselves without zhurnalyug. And now screams to heaven. And it’s good that I fell during mining, this will reveal weaknesses. But if the series began to crumble, then the trouble ...

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Dzafdet

But if the series began to crumble, then the trouble ...

Above is a link to the statement (though not MO, but an "informed source") that the first serial fell.

[Alexander Naydenov]

if true, then this diversion was 100%.

[Mentat]

Quote: littoral

The Morph does not have to report anything and "deny the quality of tests." He just needs to confirm the loss of the aircraft intended for him. All!
Because MORF got water in his mouth and after more than enough time does not give any comments, then any sane person (this does not apply to you) will make the only correct conclusion: This is really the first production aircraft for MORF.

MO must confirm the loss of the plane, intended for him. Where does such a premise come from? Based on what data or source of information? On it, all your initially false logical construction is created, because There is no information that this aircraft was intended for Moscow Defense.

As for the conclusions, their quality and reliability depends on the quality of the intelligence that makes them.

By drawing conclusions based on an initially incorrect premise, you are creating a visual demonstration. Including reasons for so many cons.

[Good_Anonymous]

Quote: Mentat

There is no information that this aircraft was intended for Moscow Defense.

And who else could he target? There are no export contracts; the plant does not build aircraft for itself.

[Miron]

At one of the stages of the program’s implementation, Russia had to bow to India in order to financially support the project. At the same time, Russia said: I want you to pay, but I will not share technologies with you. As a result, India withdrew from the project.
***
If China had something to offer India, from which India later emerged ... envied.

[petrol cutter]

God forgive me .... Well, Drying fell and fell. Anything can happen. In summer, our steamer went off the rails when moving. No one has died.
The pilot is alive. The device is new.
It would be generally necessary to prohibit the disclosure of the progress of such events.
In order to reduce the consumption of corvalol among the most impressionable circles of the people.

[weightovmaster]

It is in America that you can make the rocket not tested, but immediately put people to fly to the moon and return! And we have everything through trials!

[silver_roman]

when was that? what nonsense?

[Prisoner]

Look, the lips rolled out and their eyes bulged. Do not wait! There will be an apparatus in the troops. Yes, such that you gasp.

[silver_roman]

Yellow press, no more. On the example of China, you can see how much money you don’t throw off, but they themselves cannot create 5, even 4 generations.

[Diviz]

Su 57 is cheaper than f22 f35. It must be cheaper than fret. Public sector employees will increase their salaries.

[Arkon]

This crash will overshadow the plans for the development of new generation fighters in Russia.

Come on. There have already been about five F-35s that have fallen and nothing has “eclipsed” any plans...

[atalef]

Quote: Arkon

This crash will overshadow the plans for the development of new generation fighters in Russia.

Come on. There have already been about five F-35s that have fallen and nothing has “eclipsed” any plans...

Actually 2.
Taking into account the number of completed emnips - 400
Compare

[Arkon]

2 fell, 2 more burned. There weren't many of them at the time of the first crash in 2014. They were only put into service in 2016. In 2014, there were only a few units in the divisions.

[Yury Siritsky]

There is no need to babble. A test is always associated with risk. This is routine work.

[kimlykvp]

He who does not fly does not fall. The Chinese would be silent, all their planes are copies of Soviet planes or stealthy technologies.

[lifelong couch potato]

It’s funny to read about “flights” to the moon and the choking supporters of this fake! Leonov, due to many circumstances, selflessly licked the Nasovites on behalf of the Union: it was necessary. And here they are idolized by individuals who are far from physics, astronomy, mechanical engineering and rocketry. To enter into a debate with such experts is to disrespect yourself. Greetings from a physics student!

[lifelong couch potato]

ok, at physics and technology... you can laugh...

[lifelong couch potato]

The easiest way is to remove the comment that no one has flown to the moon. Where is DEMOcracy, censor guys? Do you have a conscience?

[lopvlad]

then the Sohu portal is traditionally distinguished by loud statements.

For a publication whose country only stopped producing licensed copies of the MIG-2008 in 21, it’s better to shut up and remain silent. They themselves cannot build anything original and only rivet copies of goods from other countries.

[Butchcassidy]

What's the point of this Chinese "jaundice"? Like hype?

[Umalta]

Complete nonsense, when testing a new car, accidents are inevitable, and when the troops begin to master it, the accident rate will be even higher. More than one manual will be written on how to act in a given situation; naturally, constructive changes are inevitable. The usual process of mastering new technology.