In Ukraine, $ 3 billion already promised to be paid by Gazprom is already "divided"


In Ukraine, they have already begun to share the "skin of an unkilled bear." We are talking about statements by Ukrainian officials about how they will spend $ 2,9 billion in Kiev, which Gazprom promised to pay to Ukraine as part of the Stockholm arbitration decision.


The head of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on Energy Issues Andrei Gerus said that the amount that Naftogaz will receive from Russia is "very impressive."

Gerus said that part of this amount "will be invested in increasing gas production in Ukraine." In addition, Naftogaz will spend the money of Russian Gazprom to repay loans. It is noteworthy that, according to some reports, the Ukrainian company also has loans to companies from Russia.

Another direction where in Ukraine they plan to send part of the funds after receiving them is the state budget. It was noteworthy that the deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Gerus remembered the replenishment of the state treasury of Ukraine at the expense of these funds.

It should be recalled that the payment by Gazprom of Naftogaz of almost $ 3 billion becomes part of a memorandum on the future conclusion of the contract.

The Ukrainian company refused other financial requirements for Gazprom, while the Russian company gets the right to transit gas to Europe through Ukraine for a five-year term. In 2020, in the case of a contract, the Russian Federation will send 65 billion cubic meters of “blue fuel” to the EU through Ukraine, in the next four years - 40 billion each.
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  1. Victor_B 24 December 2019 09: 03 New
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    What about giving us a favor?
    Which Yanukovych, with all the signatures and seals, according to the most European standards, took from Russia?
    1. Sarmat Sanych 24 December 2019 09: 06 New
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      They will give it away, even the London court confirmed the debt of $ 4,5 billion and supported the demands of Russia. By the way, Kobolev and Orzhel have already announced that the signing of the agreement "will most likely fail and we will not receive anything from Gazprom"laughing. Zradogenotby wheel in action.
      1. Avior 24 December 2019 09: 12 New
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        The case in the London court is still under consideration and how long will last
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          NKT 24 December 2019 09: 17 New
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          If the “fair court” decides to examine the merits of the case, then this will last 5-7 years.
          1. cniza 24 December 2019 09: 20 New
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            Quote: Victor_B
            What about giving us a favor?
            Which Yanukovych, with all the signatures and seals, according to the most European standards, took from Russia?


            These are interstate disassemblies, and Gazprom and Naftogaz are two business entities and it is impossible to link them.
            1. Souchastnik 24 December 2019 09: 29 New
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              These are interstate disassemblies, and Gazprom and Naftogaz are two business entities and it is impossible to link them.

              But Gazprom with state participation. Can the state pay for Gazprom? But offsets. We forgive the debt to Ukraine, they forgive the debt of Gazprom. or even nobody worked out such an option?
              1. cniza 24 December 2019 10: 00 New
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                No, it cannot, the state is not the only shareholder.
            2. svp67 24 December 2019 10: 23 New
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              Quote: cniza
              These are interstate disassemblies, and Gazprom and Naftogaz are two business entities and it is impossible to link them.

              Everything is possible. The same "Gazprom" may redeem these "Eurobonds"
              1. cniza 24 December 2019 10: 25 New
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                Theoretically, yes, but such an option is unlikely.
                1. svp67 24 December 2019 10: 27 New
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                  Quote: cniza
                  Theoretically, yes, but such an option is unlikely.

                  And yet, as everyone forgets that the payment will occur only after the REVIEW and REFUSAL of Ukraine, and this is not only Naftogaz, all claims in this case. Ukraine will have time to do this before the New Year, they will pay, but no, no.
                  1. cniza 24 December 2019 10: 33 New
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                    I have a suspicion that the contract will not be signed at all on the 29th, it begins to reach them that not everything is so sweet ...
                    1. svp67 24 December 2019 10: 35 New
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                      Quote: cniza
                      I have a suspicion that the contract will not be signed at all on the 29th, it begins to reach them that not everything is so sweet ...

                      That's honestly, I don’t understand the meaning of their victory right now. They were offered a discount of 20-25% of the market price, now they don’t remember about it, so the price will remain just the market. And there is much more ...
                      1. cniza 24 December 2019 12: 16 New
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                        And then steal, because the so-called "reverse" is the same feeding trough.
                    2. Pessimist22 24 December 2019 10: 49 New
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                      I think that they will sign it, if not, it is beneficial for the United States and its liquefied gas, since the missing volumes will be purchased on the market, and this may allow US companies to gain a foothold in the EU gas market.
                      1. cniza 24 December 2019 12: 17 New
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                        The US has the task of stopping Russia, so they want to stop all flows and the Ukrainian GTS, too.
          2. Sarmat Sanych 24 December 2019 09: 47 New
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            NKT, essentially will not. But even if it were - it would be until 2022, not later. Already voiced.
        2. Sarmat Sanych 24 December 2019 09: 19 New
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          Avior, the case will continue to be considered from 1 to 4 months, no more, but the Trial Chamber has already made a preliminary verdict - it accepted all the arguments of Russia and ignored the last possible argument of the Outskirts. Draw conclusions.
          1. Avior 24 December 2019 09: 28 New
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            You're wrong
            The case is examined in the way that they determine whether a full consideration of the case is necessary.
            If you determine what you need, it will drag on for years
            To date, one of Ukraine’s 4 arguments has been taken into account, so both sides have appealed
            1. Sarmat Sanych 24 December 2019 09: 30 New
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              Avior, respect the outdated data a week ago. I repeat, the London court decided that a FULL review is not required. And this only argument of the Outskirts, the Chamber ignored.
              1. Mityay65 24 December 2019 10: 45 New
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                Quote: Sarmat Sanych
                London court ruled no FULL review required

                Interesting data you have.
                In September 2018 years The Court of Appeal of England ruled on the appeal filed by Ukraine in relation to the decision of the High Court of London. The court found that the fourth argument that the issue of Eurobonds was made under pressure from Russia, cannot be rejected without a comprehensive trial. This is the latest update on the issue.
                Could you give a link to your data?
                1. Sarmat Sanych 24 December 2019 12: 15 New
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                  Mitya65, who said that someone owes you something?) Themselves, pens in google. 2 years after your news, a lot of things happened.
                  1. Mityay65 24 December 2019 12: 28 New
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                    Quote: Sarmat Sanych
                    that someone owes you something?

                    Of course you owe me nothing hi
                    But you published a fake message, which is not confirmed by anything:
                    Quote: Sarmat Sanych
                    I repeat, the London court decided that a FULL review is not required.

                    Therefore, I suggest giving a link to it. Maybe you're right and I missed something.
                    Instead, you start to be rude. wink
                    Agitprop in battle?
                    1. Kronos 24 December 2019 13: 11 New
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                      Sarmat Sanych cheers patriot he always won Russia
                      1. Sarmat Sanych 29 December 2019 19: 34 New
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                        Kronos, burnsgood? And the fact that you are wrung from the successes of Russia is normal, get used to it.
                      2. Kronos 29 December 2019 20: 20 New
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                        No, it’s funny to me from the blind who always see victories in everything
                      3. Sarmat Sanych 30 December 2019 05: 43 New
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                        Oh, another aching "daughter of an ohfitser" who will tell us about our "defeats"laughing
                2. Sarmat Sanych 29 December 2019 19: 32 New
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                  Mitya65, you’re scribbling here for XNUMX hourslaughing? Once again, read the verdict of the London court already on the 2nd day after the start of the review. Those who are familiar with jurisprudence immediately understood what was going on.
          2. Alex Nevs 24 December 2019 13: 34 New
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            May I have more details? Thank.
    2. Xenofont 24 December 2019 11: 29 New
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      In June, they pledged to make a decision.
    3. major147 24 December 2019 14: 07 New
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      Quote: Avior
      The case in the London court is still under consideration and how long will last

      The case was examined on December 12, and a decision is expected later.
  2. private person 24 December 2019 09: 20 New
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    They will give it away, even the London court confirmed the debt of $ 4,5 billion

    Russia at the end of the line, Ukraine has a debt to the IMF. They (Ukraine) will not see this money.
    1. Sarmat Sanych 24 December 2019 09: 27 New
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      The debt there is serious, more than $ 80 billion. But that’s the problem with Western creditors - that they won’t really take it away, even if you sell more than $ 5 billion of the remaining chernozems, you won’t. But Russia has something to take back from the Outskirts - by PRINCIPAL RUSSIAN LANDS. And it will be, believe me.
      1. Sergey1987 24 December 2019 09: 42 New
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        Quote: Sarmat Sanych
        But Russia has something to take back from the Outskirts - by PRINCIPAL RUSSIAN LANDS. And it will be, believe me.

        Your words, yes to God in the ears.
        Quote: Sarmat Sanych
        But that is precisely the problem of Western lenders - that they won’t really take it away, even if you sell more than $ 5 billion of the remaining chernozems, you won’t.

        And they never take anything to the end. Always only driven into even greater debts.
        1. Sarmat Sanych 24 December 2019 09: 46 New
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          There is one. But here is a special case, the whole Western economy and legislation are built on the British legal system. No one will venture to harness on the outskirts of the satellite in order to sustain the most important European design: https: //youtu.be/YK3aGBJbPn8
          So these $ 4,5 billion Outskirts will have to give the only possible way.
          1. private person 24 December 2019 14: 19 New
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            So these $ 4,5 billion Outskirts will have to give the only possible way.

            How or what? Do you an adult believe in fairy tales? If we say: "There is no money but you hold on." You see, they will sign a contract and then in this very court they will file a lawsuit for a dozen lard for Crimea and this court will oblige Russia to pay.
            1. Sarmat Sanych 29 December 2019 20: 01 New
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              private person, stop suffering from infantilism, Russia has never paid in unreasonable claims before, the same Swiss “Noga” in the 90s, Yukos in the late 2000s and many others wanted tens of billions of dollars, but in the end they paid Russia their legal costs. And this is a fine - so thanks to the contract we won many times more, plus skakuasy will now pay for gas delivery to the outskirts of the consumer (while Gazprom paid these costs), this is $ 30 for every 1000 cubic meters, taking into account the annual purchase of 10-15 billion cubic meters by Naftogaz for 5 years Gazprom will beat off the fine only on this one. And I don’t care who said Che about "you hold on," I believe in internationally confirmed figures and facts. Over 11 years, the state budget expenditures increased from 2,3 trillion (2008) to almost 19 trillion (2019), the share of spending on social programs in it increased from 45 to 60%, the total amount of money allocated "to help the poor" has been expanded over 11 years almost 12 times, but the population still considers itself “poor” and the state “mean”. Better than now, Russian citizens (whatever it was called before) have never lived, Russians annually buy 1,8 million new cars only (about 14 times higher than in the best years of the RSFSR and 21 times more than in the 90s), Russians annually they buy 80 million square meters of new housing only (even during the peak period of 71 years of Soviet history, only 90 million square meters were built in 73). Draw conclusions.
              1. private person 29 December 2019 20: 20 New
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                Better than now, the citizens of Russia (no matter how it was called before) have never lived

                What do you drink or smoke? Do not tell people, you haven’t read about the record decline in the population of Russia in recent times.
                1. Sarmat Sanych 29 December 2019 21: 00 New
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                  What nafig "record decline" can stop repeating the ass from the Internet? The population of Russia is 146,8 million people, while in the early 2000s there were 142 million. Learn the materiel and tie it with a whining.
                2. Sarmat Sanych 30 December 2019 05: 47 New
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                  Bots work well, collectivelygood! I went to the weekly news for once, and already two minuses got it, well donelaughing
      2. boss 24 December 2019 09: 50 New
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        the Ukrainian land market bill explicitly prohibits the sale of land to foreigners.
        and your “and this will be”, very much like “we will win the courts” - failure, “nobody will arrest the assets of Gazprom” - failure, “we will not pay” - failure, this list goes on.
        there will be no “we will take away land debt”, this is utopia.
        even seriously discussing there is no reason.
        1. Sarmat Sanych 24 December 2019 11: 40 New
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          patron, do not be naive, the wording “ban on sale to foreigners” does not even mean anything legally, a foreign agricultural corporation simply creates an outskirts legal entity, it is possible with outskirts partners and everything can be done immediately after the final adoption of this law. And it’s not a matter of law, such mega-holdings as Cargill and Mossanto already bought large tracts of land. With regards to “we will win the courts”, it’s not for me, but for the one who said it. As far as I remember, the Gazprom leadership did not state this either. In general, I am surprised by the position of domestic mourners, the whole Western world machine is involved against us, well, they twisted my hands and awarded something there, is it Gazprom’s fault? The concern, and so with a total opposition, implemented SIX threads of Streams, the last two (which SP2) are 95% ready, everything will be all right. And yes, under the previous contract, Gazprom, thanks to the gigantic gas price for the Outskirts, twice (if not thrice) recaptured this fine of 2,9 billion. Regarding land, then we will take it anyway, not for debts, as a result of the collapse of Little Russia and New Russia , out of 15 power units, only 9 remain, and they survive the last years, and this for a moment is 55% of the country's generation. Without electricity, with closed 70% of mines, with critical cracks at the Dnieper hydroelectric station, with half-dead metallurgy and debts of more than $ 80 billion, this territory will stretch a little.
      3. ccsr 24 December 2019 18: 45 New
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        Quote: Sarmat Sanych
        But Russia has something to take back from the Outskirts - by PRINCIPAL RUSSIAN LANDS. And it will be, believe me.

        The primordial lands are returned, not redeemed - we are not traders, and therefore such a ransom will be a disgrace, especially since the power and the right are ours.
      4. Bshkaus 24 December 2019 20: 04 New
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        But Russia has something to take back from the Outskirts - by PRINCIPAL RUSSIAN LANDS.

        Again "25", over the past five years they’ve already washed themselves with blood in the Donbas from head to toe, and all of you FEW!
        You are our collector, at least put your staircase in order so that you don’t urinate in the elevators.
        1. Sarmat Sanych 29 December 2019 21: 09 New
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          Bshkaus, "we"? Do not go to the Donbass, you have nothing to do with it. Wash footcloths and then crawl out to decent people. I’m busy with business, I provide people with work, and you are writing comments on this site for days.
          By the way, about 250 thousand residents of LDNR have already received Russian citizenship, the tax and administrative laws of the Republics are fully synchronized with Russian, diplomas are recognized in the Russian Federation, thousands of LDNR students study for free in Russian universities, Donbass will consistently return to Russia.
          1. Bshkaus 29 December 2019 22: 07 New
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            I’m busy with business, I provide people with work, and you are writing comments on this site for days.

            Are you joking like that now?)))
            Checked out.
            Bshkaus:
            Registration Date 09.06.18/XNUMX/XNUMX
            number of comments: 588
            Sarmat Sanych
            Registration date 27.05.18/XNUMX/XNUMX (two weeks earlier than me)
            number of comments 2458
            You and I registered at VO almost at the same time, while you scribbled comments 4,1 times more than me.

            and you are writing comments on this site for days

            I don’t know whether to write such a shame.

            Do not go to Donbass, you have nothing to do with it

            I donbass really a damn, it's true.

            I’m busy with business, I provide people with work

            It can be seen:
            only I have already donated so much money to “LDNR residents who obtained Russian citizenship” that I could safely not work for a couple of years and devote my free time to catching up with you by the number of comments on VO.
            1. Sarmat Sanych 30 December 2019 06: 19 New
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              "Did you joke like that now?)))
              Checked out. "Bshkaus, you are stuck in the last millennium of humor." Bshkaus:
              Registration Date 09.06.18/XNUMX/XNUMX
              number of comments: 588
              Sarmat Sanych
              Registration date 27.05.18/XNUMX/XNUMX (two weeks earlier than me)
              number of comments 2458
              We signed up for VO almost simultaneously, at the same time, you scribbled comments 4,1 times more than I. "It even gets boring to communicate with you with bots with dozens of accounts, I went to the weekly news once and for all, and there are already 4 answers in that secondgood. Is it really so bad that you hang around here for days? And this is what twilight of consciousness is: “I really donbass, it’s true” and at the same time “I have already donated so much money” to the residents of LDNR who received Russian citizenshipwassat laughing? Cognitive dissonance does not torment? Yes, relax already, New Year on the nose, you see you will recover.
  3. 210ox 24 December 2019 09: 28 New
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    Drink with water. They give loans related to the IMF. Everything else for them is the "duty of Yanukovych" Sanych, do not be naive.
    1. Sarmat Sanych 24 December 2019 09: 40 New
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      210kv, eat? Bon Appetit. They have not been giving IMF loans at all for the past 6 years, the net difference is only growing. In order not to cluck about “they will give everything to the IMF and this is Yanukovych’s debt” and other tales of “corrupt European courts, one must understand that failure to recognize this small debt by world standards threatens the collapse of the entire Western legal system with trillion losses. Enlighten: https: // youtu.be/YK3aGBJbPn8 For Khokhlumbia, the situation is hopeless, they will return the debt to us, most likely by New Russia.
      1. mikh-korsakov 24 December 2019 11: 57 New
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        Sergei! "threatens to collapse the entire Western legal system" - I am curious - how do you imagine this? Case law only works in purely economic relations - that is, without the intervention of politics. There is a variant of the decision of a higher court that this case does not create a precedent, also in British law the precedent can be canceled by a parliamentary act. In British law, such cases in the nineteenth century as many.
        1. Sarmat Sanych 24 December 2019 12: 22 New
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          mikh-korsakov, listen to the video, there will be understanding. But it is not only a matter of law, non-recognition of bonds as a public debt threatens with a wave of capital outflow from Europe, China, Brazil, India, Singapore, the CIS, etc. The matter is much more serious than it seems at first glance, there were no precedents to refuse a creditor country in such a situation - no one would be substituted for the worthless Outskirts.
          1. mikh-korsakov 24 December 2019 12: 45 New
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            Sergei! Capital outflow to where ?! The outflow of capital why ?! On the basis of, albeit fictional, albeit really erroneous, behavior of Russia in the foreign press and in politics, an unbridled company rises. The British Parliament by its act cancels the decision of the highest court in London - while clarifying. that this act does not set a precedent.
            1. boss 24 December 2019 14: 01 New
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              an intricate legal construction that no one will do for the sake of Ukraine. reputation
              Stockholm arbitration ordered to live long, the Angles can not afford this.
              as well as a hypothetical undermining of the judicial system, constructions invented by you
              1. mikh-korsakov 24 December 2019 15: 06 New
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                Stas! Not for the sake of Ukraine, but against Russia. Russia in the eyes of the West really got rid of it - the benefits of returning to the stall are comparable to the profits that the Western world received from the collapse of the USSR. Itself had an opportunity to be convinced: was in the USA on business trips in 1991 and 1994. - as if I were in two different countries. In addition, the behavior of our elite in terms of responses to sanctions and everything else only provokes them. The West sees weakness in the policies of our leadership. In fact, the answers of our leadership on the principle of “no matter how bad we are” with the invitation of the kids to the Christmas tree are unpromising. And now, in response to an unprecedented intervention in the fate of the SP-2, we hear the familiar - the answer will certainly be, but we need to analyze it with a cold mind so as not to incur damage. Damage to anyone! Holders capital in offshore? Judging by the lack of Putin’s reaction, he decided once again to put the matter on the brakes and even Gazprom’s loss of $ 9 billion due to the failed SP-2 will not distract him from daily pleasant affairs. As for the designs, they were not invented by me. The highest court in the UK is the House of Lords. The annulment of the court decision there is a burdensome but feasible case. for example, a bill to the House of Commons.
                1. boss 26 December 2019 01: 36 New
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                  a bill to the House of Lords with the aim of harming Russia, through the impact on the legal, judicial system of Great Britain ?!
                  the Skripals affair will be zilch compared to this bomb.
                  this is comparable to shaking the UN with a test tube with Iraqi bacterological weapons.
                  unbelievable BUT IT WAS!
                  therefore, I agree with your arguments, as with one of the possible developments in the situation.
                2. Sarmat Sanych 29 December 2019 21: 28 New
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                  mikh-korsakov, write such nonsense that it’s even funny to comment on it. What nafig "failed SP2", there remain 4% to finish. And what the hell is “Gazprom losing 9 billion,” the total cost of the project is € 9,5 billion, of which Gazprom invested only 5 billion, the rest is European energy concerns, plus 49% of Gazprom from other European countries, which means Russia as a state invested only 2,5 billion Do you understand why all the projects of the most powerful sanctions against two Turkish and four threads of the Northern Streams (that 1 that 2) are crushed to dust and nobody could stop them?) Yes, because the partners of Gazprom (energy concerns Westinshall, Yeni, OMV, Gazini and Total) the most powerful lobbyists in the world and they are under neo go to the ram's horn and twist the Congress and Trump. Are you aware that these European energy carriers control half of the US LNG? That is why old Donald NEVER in his tweets or in an interview says "American LNG", but only "LNG from the USA." Learn the materiel and do not pay attention to the noise in the media, look at the actions. Gas has already started flowing along the Turkish Stream, the Power of Siberia is also working, as the previously built Blue Stream and SP1 work, and will go along SP2 in June. Sabaki bark - the caravan goesgood.
                  1. mikh-korsakov 30 December 2019 13: 56 New
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                    Sergei! I quote you. "Pbecause Gazprom partners (Westinshall, Yeni, OMV, Gazini and Total) have the most powerful lobbyists in the world and, if necessary, they will twist Congress and Trump into a ram’s horn. Are you aware that these European energy carriers control half of the US LNG? That is why old Donald NEVER in his tweets or in an interview says "American LNG", but only "LNG from the USA" If, as you put it, Gazprom partners have such cool lobbyists, how did they allow the construction of SP-2 to stop? Further. Let's say Gazprom with affiliates as soon as possible will be able to solve technical problems and quickly start and finish laying the pipe with Academician Chersky. You have listed companies that “control half of the US LNG. The question arises. These companies control the production of LNG or its transportation. The fact is that some companies produce gas in the USA. But they buy for transportation and transport other companies. Next, who will give a guarantee, that Congress will spew a law banning the purchase of gas delivered through SP-2? Gas will go through TP on January 8, but the Bulgarian section is not ready yet. I know that the US ambassador to Bulgaria, with some reservations, allowed the Bulgarians to lay the pipe. However, right away there were anovki work on alleged technical reasons, what Putin said. Also, while not ignoring your advice to learn the materiel do not grasp the connection between the introduction of "Siberia forces" and stop SP-2.
            2. Sarmat Sanych 29 December 2019 19: 49 New
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              mikh-korsakov, in my opinion you are not familiar with jurisprudence. Where and where, to the homeland of this capital by itself. And here, "from the umen’s parliament"laughing? In general, can you imagine what will happen if all holders of sovereign bonds see how some kind of “parliament” cancels the established rules for decades and what hundreds of billions of dollars the holders of those bonds have?) Do not write nonsense and it’s better to review the video above again.
              1. mikh-korsakov 30 December 2019 14: 22 New
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                Sergei! I leave out of brackets your assessment of my knowledge in jurisprudence - they did not finish "legal academies". In my comment in a polemic with commentators who believe that Ukraine’s Ukrainian debt is already in the pocket, I simply pointed out the theoretical possibility of canceling the decisions of the High Court of London. At the same time, although I still did not know from you about the need to learn the materiel, I got acquainted with the judicial system of Britain and realized that the possibility of cancellation exists. There is one drawback in your irony about the “easy solution”. You believe that the procedure will be conducted on the basis of "business as usual". However, if in an effort to limit Russia it will be the competent circles of the United States that a decision was made to stall the issuance of credit, what prevents it from organizing a provocation such as the Skripals case, but better. The fact that the history of the Skripals is a provocation, and carried out carelessly, I know firmly. Even in the framework of the military exams I had passed, it had to be refreshed for a long time, this is clear to me. But even within the framework of this obvious trash, they sent off diplomats and imposed sanctions. But if our opponents think as follows. they can come up with something, after which the whole unworthy public will wring their hands and call for punishment. And then, gritting his heart, to meet the wishes of the public, the House of Commons will hold a bill, which among other things will be indicated. that this bill does not set a precedent. After passing the House of Lords, which has the highest judicial power - the businessman is done. Yours faithfully!
                1. Sarmat Sanych 31 December 2019 14: 06 New
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                  mikhail-korsakov, you fall for the mistake of all-fellers, saying "2,9 billion was given away - now everything is gone everywhere." What the hell is the House of Lords, no one will fit in because of the worthless Ukryatnik, and the Skripals were in Britain, for them their own shirt is closer to the body. To understand the recent history of YUKOS, everything was prepared brilliantly in the West, $ 60 billion seemed in their pocket, and as a result, they not only received cookies with butter, but also paid Russia almost $ 20 million in legal costs.laughing. This is due to the fact that the case of strife in the Stockholm arbitration was lost due to a real loophole in the contract and not because of the "universal conspiracy of the West." At the same time, Gazprom under that 10-year contract from 2009 to 2013 supplied the Outskirts with gas at the highest prices in Europe, $ 450 per 1 thousand cubic meters, so that those $ 2,9 billion have long fought back, do not worry.
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                    Sergei! "Ukryatnik" is not worthless. Ukraine is the largest state in foreign Europe with the richest natural development potential. But, in my opinion, unlike the recent events to which you refer, the command "Fas!" to Russia. As for your assumption that I am being led by the screams of all-singers, this is not so. I just figure out the options, sometimes like in math, with proof from the contrary. As for the Skripals case, I had a real opinion about what really happened there, but I will not voice it. because it’s from Mrs. Marble’s repertoire. I, as a radiochemist by profession, who had once passed the exam on OM, was struck by the blatant illiteracy of the charges that any chemist student could have smashed on the head. if he had not skipped. They also worked carelessly. What is worth, for example, their mistake when experts from the OKHVO were sent a sample poisoned not by a “newcomer”, but by BZ, a psychotropic agent who, in reality, was poisoned by Skripaley. But the western community was led to this. Many commentators were sure that the repayment of sovereign debt after the London miracle was provided. But no. I don’t know what will happen there in real life.
                  2. Sarmat Sanych 3 January 2020 00: 26 New
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                    mikh-korsakov, Ukryatnik is not just worthless - it is deadly worthless, there were 91 million people in 52m, only 2018 million remained in 26, The outskirts are rapidly turning into an ethnographic museum, they will soon be shown on Indians on TV, even if they learn Hopaklaughing. And they will give back the debt to us by the lands of New Russia, believe my prophetic gift (I myself am sometimes afraid of it).
    2. major147 24 December 2019 14: 14 New
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      they will return the debt to us, most likely Novorossia.

      I bet (+), but they’ll give the hell to us. They will try to pressure the pity in Stockholm, perhaps it will take another ride in an “impartial court”.
  • rich 24 December 2019 09: 09 New
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    In Ukraine, they have already begun to share the "skin of an unkilled bear." We are talking about statements by Ukrainian officials about how they will spend $ 2,9 billion in Kiev, which Gazprom promised to pay to Ukraine as part of the Stockholm arbitration decision.

    Do not forget to thank the Swedes. They are also waiting for their share. And do not forget about the highly efficient lawyers of Gazprom)))
    1. Souchastnik 24 December 2019 09: 35 New
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      ... don't forget the highly efficient lawyers of Gazprom)))

      They will not be forgotten. Gazprom is likely to pay annual premiums in large quantities. Regardless of the results.
  • NKT
    NKT 24 December 2019 09: 11 New
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    There is another question. If we abandoned mutual claims, then did Gazprom abandon its $ 2.4 billion, which they “drove” after lowering the volumes of take and pay? Volumes were reduced, but 404 didn’t buy them anyway. And in the end, we pay them $ 2.9 billion in arbitration, give up $ 2.4 billion (which arbitration would really confirm), and they abandon their fabulously virtual $ 19 billion.
    1. Avior 24 December 2019 09: 25 New
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      No, 2,6 billion, and with about 3 percent ran in, those 2,4 are already taken into account.
      That is, 2,6 is the difference between the fact that Ukraine and Russia owe each other
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        NKT 24 December 2019 09: 31 New
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        I’m talking about those 2.4 percent with which Gazprom filed a lawsuit, but the case has not yet been considered.
        1. Avior 24 December 2019 09: 34 New
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          I don’t understand what you mean
          Mutual claims have long been considered, and 2,6 billion is the difference between what was awarded to Russia and Ukraine.
          Can you give a link, what are you talking about?
          In any case, all mutual claims for gas are canceled.
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            NKT 24 December 2019 09: 43 New
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            That's about this lawsuit

            https://ria.ru/20190711/1556394163.html
            1. Avior 24 December 2019 09: 52 New
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              Arbitration, on the other hand, united the Naftogaz and Gazprom claims, and always considered it as a single matter, and now all this has been canceled by agreement
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                NKT 24 December 2019 09: 59 New
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                This is a new lawsuit after combining the claims and deciding in favor of Naftogaz. We have discussed with you whether the advance of Naftogaz, which Gazprom returned, will be considered an attempt to purchase gas or not. Well, if you decided to cancel everything, then it turns out Gazprom is in the red, and it’s a pity, it could have gone only minus $ 600-700 million instead of $ 3 billion
        2. bessmertniy 24 December 2019 09: 36 New
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          Perhaps, everything should be calculated as a whole in order to find out who owes whom to whom, and by the end make a calculation. It seems that not Russia will owe Ukraine a result, but vice versa. hi
    2. major147 24 December 2019 14: 16 New
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      If we refused mutual claims, then Gazprom also abandoned its $ 2.4 billion,

      For which there are no court decisions.
  • Non liberoid Russian 24 December 2019 09: 34 New
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    1 wrong address question
    2 dispute between Gazprom and Naftogaz is a dispute between two companies
    March 3, 2020 will be a decision on Eurobonds
    do not interfere all in one pile
  • Sochi 24 December 2019 09: 37 New
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    netting ... and at the same time they will also have to.
    1. boss 24 December 2019 09: 57 New
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      wet fantasies, if the partners are counted again, we will again have to, at least for the gas and oil already supplied, even for NOT delivered ...
      1. Sochi 24 December 2019 10: 45 New
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        Nope, I listened to one expert, so he just voiced it ... Gazprom is more than half the state-owned company, which means it is the state budget. Ukraine’s debt of 3 "yards" from which% already has more than 4 "yards" has completely run into this scheme. Purely with a private company this will not work.
  • Nikolay Shestakov 24 December 2019 09: 44 New
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    Not recognizing an obvious duty is to completely drop the reputation of the court. Everyone understands this. But they do not want to award it to Russia in Great Britain either. It is obvious. The decision will probably sound like this, it’s a duty to acknowledge, but Ukraine may not pay the debt until the end of Ukraine’s imaginary aggression.
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      Quote: Nikolai Shestakov
      Not recognizing an obvious duty is to completely drop the reputation of the court. Everyone understands this. But they do not want to award it to Russia in Great Britain either. It is obvious. The decision will probably sound like this, it’s a duty to acknowledge, but Ukraine may not pay the debt until the end of Ukraine’s imaginary aggression.

      They will become ....
  • vitvit123 24 December 2019 09: 54 New
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    Maybe it's better? So then% does not accumulate badly and% on the accumulated interest goes. Even curious. There, over time, a huge amount can be gained. Only here is the only problem, the larger the amount, the more chances that they will not give up the more chances that our own will have to bend and write off the debt. Take a few lards nowhere to be ..
  • orionvitt 24 December 2019 11: 09 New
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    What about giving us a favor?

    So, it seems, they agreed to pay off the "Stogholm debt" by 3 billion, which Russia gave even before the Maidan. As they say, pay off by netting. They write off debt to Russia, and Russia, in turn, pretends to recognize the “Stockholm arbitration”. Anyway, recovering a debt from Ukraine is unrealistic. What kind of money are they going to share in Kuev, if they will not be alive. As they say, they are getting richer in thought.
    1. major147 24 December 2019 14: 19 New
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      Quote: orionvitt
      Quote: Victor_B
      What about giving us a favor?

      So, it seems, they agreed to pay off the "Stogholm debt" by 3 billion, which Russia gave even before the Maidan. As they say, pay off by netting. They write off debt to Russia, and Russia, in turn, pretends to recognize the “Stockholm arbitration”. Anyway, recovering a debt from Ukraine is unrealistic. What kind of money are they going to share in Kuev, if they will not be alive. As they say, they are getting richer in thought.

      Well, if our "pull" to the decision of the London court ..... But it seems promised to give before the New Year, only what request
  • antivirus 24 December 2019 13: 49 New
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    Well done Kohly-won money we spend so badly - they don’t know where and for what. everywhere everything is lying around done nothing ..
    there is always little money!
  • NF68 24 December 2019 15: 59 New
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    What about giving us a favor?
    Which Yanukovych, with all the signatures and seals, according to the most European standards, took from Russia?


    The horses forgive all their debts. However something similar happened here.
  • cniza 24 December 2019 09: 03 New
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    It should be recalled that the payment by Gazprom of Naftogaz of almost $ 3 billion becomes part of a memorandum on the future conclusion of the contract.


    The signing of the contract on December 29 may not have time to share. lol
  • svp67 24 December 2019 09: 06 New
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    I don’t know how much is true, but there was information that Gazprom would pay not with "real" money, but with "Eurobonds" issued by the Bank of Ukraine ... If so, it would be interesting to see how Ukraine will receive them "to saw"
    1. Avior 24 December 2019 09: 13 New
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      This is whose fiction
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        This is whose fiction

        Maybe, but it would be interesting ... if that turned out to be true.
        1. Avior 24 December 2019 09: 22 New
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          Theoretically, it could have happened if Russia had Eurobonds issued by Ukraine, the maturity date coincided, and Ukraine agreed to accept them instead of money.
          None of this is observed.
          In addition, this would mean that Russia gave a loan to Ukraine at low interest rates, which is simply unrealistic smile
          1. svp67 24 December 2019 09: 24 New
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            Quote: Avior
            Theoretically, it could have happened if Russia had Eurobonds issued by Ukraine, the maturity date coincided, and Ukraine agreed to accept them instead of money.

            The most interesting thing is that they are, and everything is ... In Ukraine, have you already forgotten about your three billionth debt of Russia? But it was formed precisely after the purchase by Russia of "Eurobonds" issued by the Bank of Ukraine
            1. Avior 24 December 2019 09: 37 New
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              But Ukraine does not formally recognize them as a duty, the case is in court
              I think someone threw a fiction in order to turn the hell out of me.
              I here yesterday the day before yesterday of this in discussions I read about the giant victory of Russia in this gas business, look at yesterday’s branch, it seems that paid people were expelled to explain the next
              1. Mityay65 24 December 2019 09: 56 New
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                Quote: Avior
                I think someone threw a fiction in order to turn the hell out of me.
                I was here yesterday the day before yesterday in a discussion I read about a giant victory

                Yes, it seems. The Kozak agreement is not very profitable, to say the least. Actually this is the surrender of the positions of Gazprom and the Russian Federation. The Kremlin is probably afraid of the seizure of SP-2 assets at the request of ukrov.
                1. svp67 24 December 2019 10: 05 New
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                  Quote: Mityai65
                  The Kremlin is probably afraid of the seizure of SP-2 assets at the request of ukrov.

                  The Kremlin is more afraid of not fulfilling its obligations to the "European partners", but in the situation of stopping SP-2 and slowing down the Turkish stream, this became a reality
                  1. Mityay65 24 December 2019 10: 11 New
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                    Quote: svp67
                    The Kremlin is more afraid of not fulfilling its obligations to the "European partners"

                    What does one have to do with it? Everyone was ready to sign a transit contract, and so did Ukraine. This was demanded by Europe. But Kozak also promised to give the money before signing.
                    It actually turned out that the Russian Federation passed all the declared positions. Trouble.
                    1. svp67 24 December 2019 10: 21 New
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                      Quote: Mityai65
                      Everyone was ready to sign a transit contract, and so did Ukraine.

                      But on different conditions ... They signed something in between. Ukraine asked for ten years and pumping three times more than it received. 40 billion cubic meters, since 2021 it is very small for Ukraine, this is the bottom line of sustainability
                      Quote: Mityai65
                      It actually turned out that the Russian Federation passed all the declared positions. Trouble.

                      The trouble, but "say" gop "when we take the jump"
                      From the same reduction of 20-25% in the price for Ukraine, Gazprom REFUSED. So, for the people of Ukraine, the Düsseldorf PLUS gas scheme remains, which means that domestic prices are unlikely to fall
                      1. Mityay65 24 December 2019 10: 33 New
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                        Quote: svp67
                        Signed something average

                        Really signed not mean, but we don’t know - real pumping rates not announced, they are classified. What we know for sure, if we discard the propaganda husk, there is a contract for the transit of volumes, which no one has already refused, and our obligation to repay the "Stockholm debt." To put it mildly strange.
                        Quote: svp67
                        received. 40 billion cubic meters

                        According to the pumping conditions, these 40 billion m3 mean that Gazprom is preparing to load SP-2 by 50% and SP-1 by 80%, as it is now. Gazprom wanted an extension of the contract for a year, which is logical, and signed for 5 years.
                        This entire position of Gazprom, previously announced, puts upside down.
                        Quote: svp67
                        "say" gop "when we make the jump"

                        What other jump do you have? Late, my friend, composted ...
                        Kozak really passed everything. It remains to congratulate the ancient Ukrainians on real victory sad
                      2. svp67 24 December 2019 10: 38 New
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                        This entire position of Gazprom, previously announced, puts upside down.

                        But Ukraine also did not receive the same for a 10 year contract with 80 billion pumping annually.
                        Though LOSE, but not dry ...
                      3. Mityay65 24 December 2019 10: 57 New
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                        Quote: svp67
                        Ukraine has not received the same for a 10 year contract with 80 billion pumping annually.

                        I think no one really counted on a contract for 10 years. In any case, Gazprom will not do without the gas transmission system of Ukraine, and after 5 years, and after 10, and after 30. Pumping will be in any case. And no one refused to conclude a contract for transit, never. Well, except for Yarosh and Farion. Question tariffs for pumping. They are not announced.
                        Quote: svp67
                        Though LOSE, but not dry ...

                        Gazprom, represented by Kozak, signed on with a return of $ 2,9 billion. As a condition before concluding a contract.
                        And what else could be done worse? Pay the ancient Ukrainian a little more? hi
                    2. Sarmat Sanych 24 December 2019 12: 03 New
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                      Mitya65, do not carry nonsense. Next year, production in Groningen sharply decreases, decreases by 10% in Norway, by 10% in the North Sea of ​​Britain and completely stops in Denmark, at 21m Groningen is completely shut down and decommissioned in Germany. These 40 billion cubic meters were left to non-occupants with only one purpose - Gazprom’s export to Europe will increase by the same amount in 21-24. And SP1, Blue Stream and Yamal-Europe both worked 100% and will continue. Plus, they will pump two strings of Turetsky totaling 32 billion cubic meters and two SP2 strings of 60 billion cubic meters (and not 55 as some people think). Regarding the tariff, it is set COMPETITIVELY in accordance with the rules of the Third Energy Package at the market level at the moment, and all European hubs are controlled by Gazprom with its German, Dutch and Austrian partners. Now think what the tariff will be.laughing.
                      This is an obvious victory for Gazprom, firstly, the possibility of US intervention in relations between Russia and the EU through a gas war has been significantly reduced. Secondly, the most serious transit risks have been removed; now they are borne by the Outskirts. Thirdly, Gazprom’s good savings due to a reduction in gas delivery fees to virtually independent consumers (for every $ 1000 cubic meter, while Gazprom incurs these costs). Fourth, the outskirts of Transit's revenues have been significantly reduced (at least 30 times), while the EU has increased pressure on Kiev in the interests of Russia and LDN. Now summing up remembering the beginning:
                      Back in the mid-140s, Gazprom pumped 5 billion cubic meters through the Outskirts, and for the last 85 years, 90-65 billion. Next year, only 21, and only 40 in the 3m, so we are safely getting rid of the Outskirts. There is a continuation of further minimization. Skakyacs say: “Hooray, won, returned 60 billion!”. But earlier, Naftogaz wanted 30 billion and 90 billion capacity reservations, i.e. actually 5 billion cubic meters per year. That is, they received much less than they wanted. One could speak of a good result if the contract were not for 10 years and not for such volumes, but for 60 years and for 2,9 or more billion cubic meters. And the conditions agreed upon are historical dill. For these 2 billion (Naftogaz buys gas for $ 2050 billion a year), the non-depositors exchanged the opportunity to conclude a long-term transit agreement. For example, the same Slovakia - its operator Unistream has an agreement with Gazprom until the year 20, and a contract for 1 years with Poland. In fact, the non-clan struggling for Russian transit are fighting for Russia's well-being)). For $ 60 transit Russia receives about $ XNUMX. Regarding the contract, tariff and volume, everything will be according to the rules of the Third Energy Package, it will be higher than any gas contracts and domestic Ukrainian legislation, so that Outskirts definitely lost with their Wishlist, listen and enlighten:
                      https://youtu.be/wrwE_KLXxGY
                    3. Mityay65 24 December 2019 12: 10 New
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                      Mitya65, do not carry nonsense

                      What is this wild cry of agitprop? wink
                      My dear, you should not copy the Internet at all.
                    4. Sarmat Sanych 24 December 2019 12: 25 New
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                      Dear, raise your level of education to speak with me in an equal dialogue. Take all of this into the search engine and if you find at least one match of offers - drop the link here.
                    5. Mityay65 24 December 2019 12: 35 New
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                      Quote: Sarmat Sanych
                      finding at least one match of sentences -

                      Yes, there are just a lot of them.
                      You just have to collect all the fake agitation propaganda lol
                      Have a drink!
    2. svp67 24 December 2019 10: 03 New
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      But Ukraine does not formally recognize them as a duty, the case is in court

      No, she recognizes them as a Great Dane, but not sovereign, but private. With Eurobonds, the focus of recognition will NOT pass, especially since Ukraine paid interest for a long time ... Although what the “European” courts are doing now, I can agree that they recognize the Ukrainian point of view. Naftogaz’s debt was forgiven to Gazprom, but there is no Gazprom Naftogaz, and for the SAME sins - not the fulfillment of the clauses of the do-or-pay agreement
      Quote: Avior
      I was here yesterday the day before yesterday in a discussion I read about a giant victory

      Well, it’s necessary to somehow “lick the wounds”. I do not consider this a victory, although time will tell. Sometimes, in order to win, you must retreat. One thing I’ll say is that Ukraine shouldn’t be too happy, there will be an “answer”, and if you would have regretted it in some questions earlier, now they will beat not pity ...
  • Sarmat Sanych 24 December 2019 11: 43 New
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    Avior, in vain so think, Eurobonds rather than anything to pay and will
  • boss 24 December 2019 09: 58 New
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    it would be, in my opinion, the sweetest option, especially if you pay the “restructured” debts of Ukraine, the cost of which is much lower than the nominal.
  • major147 24 December 2019 14: 22 New
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    I don’t know how much is true, but there was information that Gazprom would be paid not with "real" money, but with "Eurobonds", moreover, issued by the Bank JOKES Ukraine ... If so, it would be interesting to see how Ukraine will "cut" them
  • demo 24 December 2019 09: 10 New
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    I look forward to the speeches and explanations of the regular propagandists - Solovyov and Kiselyov.
    That's how they will pull an owl on a globe?
    1. Nastia makarova 24 December 2019 09: 21 New
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      why pull?
      1. demo 24 December 2019 09: 30 New
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        An idiom showing the impossibility of explaining the current state of affairs with the help of normal logic.
        1. Nastia makarova 24 December 2019 09: 51 New
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          You don’t understand why they need to promote something? something bad happened?
          1. demo 24 December 2019 11: 05 New
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            Well no.
            Everything that happened makes you feel like a good Santa Claus.
            Just so unexpected!
            So I want smart men to explain everything to us ignoramuses.
            After all, how much has been said that Ukraine is a black hole that does not want to have anything with the Russian Federation. How many good words have been said to us from the “other side”.
            How many of our leaders beat themselves in the chest, proving to everyone, including us, that we with "that power" would not sit at the negotiating table for anything.
            For whoever sits at the table with the Nazis who are killing Russian people at the Immortal Regiment has no right to go with his father’s photo.
            Well, etc. etc.
            And what do we see?

            Just disgusting and embarrassing.
            1. Nastia makarova 24 December 2019 12: 00 New
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              what nonsense !! no one said that there will be no transit, everything is going according to plan, transit has been reduced, the minimum period
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              Just disgusting and embarrassing.

              Politics is a dirty business .....
    2. Guards turn 24 December 2019 09: 39 New
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      You won’t have to wait long - the week before the New Year, Solovyov and Kiselyov are quite able to invite Zelensky and Co. to perform and they will sing and sing.
  • Sergei 23 24 December 2019 09: 10 New
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    Yeah!!!. We pay, and they dance with them.
  • morpogr 24 December 2019 09: 12 New
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    The entire amount has long been distributed between persons close to the emperor laughing
    tongue
  • eagle owl 24 December 2019 09: 17 New
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    2 billion again for prizes to the leadership of Naftogaz, 1 billion to Kolomoisky, as a Gauleiter, and for gas to pay - let a thread fall from the sky laughing
  • Sergst 24 December 2019 09: 21 New
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    Quote: NKT
    There is another question. If we abandoned mutual claims, then did Gazprom abandon its $ 2.4 billion, which they “drove” after lowering the volumes of take and pay? Volumes were reduced, but 404 didn’t buy them anyway. And in the end, we pay them $ 2.9 billion in arbitration, we give up $ 2.4 billion, (which arbitration would really confirm), and they abandon their fabulously virtual $ 19 billion.

    No, the amount of the court decision is the difference between the claims of Gazprom and Naftagaz.
  • Den717 24 December 2019 09: 29 New
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    Another direction where in Ukraine they plan to send part of the funds after receiving them is the state budget. It was noteworthy that the deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Gerus remembered the replenishment of the state treasury of Ukraine at the expense of these funds.

    A very strange, in my opinion, clarification. Naftogaz is a state-owned company. Gazprom is the same. Therefore, everything that Gazprom transfers will fall into the state treasury, and not into the account and at the disposal of the company. In any case, we would have it. Most likely in Ukraine, too, about the same. So everything should fall into the budget, and from there should be distributed at the discretion of the main distributor for various purposes. Here, either Gerus forgot what he was taught at the university, or the journalist did not hear and misunderstood, or both factors together .... IMHO laughing
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      Gerus personally expressed his opinion on how to use the money received in the budget
  • rocket757 24 December 2019 09: 46 New
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    In Ukraine, they have already begun to share the "skin of an unkilled bear."

    Actually, there are so many “holes” in the budget and many more where else that if the money is not pulled apart, it’s not enough to shut up a small part of them.
  • Fibrizio 24 December 2019 11: 04 New
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    Remembering the articles of this resource for graying for several years regarding the transit of gas through Ukraine, is this news zrad or overturned? fool
    1. Nastia makarova 24 December 2019 12: 01 New
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      everything goes according to plan, the two sides made concessions
  • Avior 24 December 2019 11: 15 New
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    interesting and incomprehensible situation with the completion of SP2
    Fortune stands in the German port, Academician Chersky in Nakhodka Bay in the Far East, both without traffic
    Who will finish building and when?
    Need to follow the movement
  • ZaharoFF 24 December 2019 12: 21 New
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    It is unlikely that they will receive them in kind. And if they get it, they will steal it anyway.
  • vladimirvn 24 December 2019 13: 13 New
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    Brussels said in due time that we will feed Ukraine. We laughed. But no! It turns out we will.
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      Brussels said in due time that we will feed Ukraine. We laughed. But no! It turns out we will.

      We are forced to do this temporarily so as not to suffer even greater losses. But the freebie ends, and this can be seen by the decrease in pumping volumes through Ukraine - as the doctors say, you can’t stop drinking too sharply to avoid death ....
  • Looking for 24 December 2019 19: 43 New
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    The Ukrainian Minister has already announced a significant increase in transit fees. So that the Russians. Look. So that you don’t have to pay for your gas. Eh. You. PERFECT REACTIONS OF THE GREAT PEOPLE.
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    - If you give three billion, how do you spend?
    - I will repay debts!
    - Oh well. Give back the debts. And the rest?
    - And the rest will wait !!!