Reported T-50 factory fighter crash near Komsomolsk-on-Amur

From the Khabarovsk Territory come reports of an emergency situation with the T-50 fighter. This is a 5th generation aircraft, which, after being put into service, receives the designation Su-57.

Information services report that the T-50 crashed near Komsomolsk-on-Amur.

The reports say that the fighter was tested by the manufacturer. Gagarin. That is why in the reports the designation is not Su-57, but T-50.

According to the latest information, the pilot who piloted the fighter managed to eject, after which he was discovered by a search and rescue squad. On a Mi-8 helicopter, the pilot was delivered to a medical facility. His health is not reported.

According to updated data, the fighter fell about 120 km from the runway of the Dzemgi airfield. This is an airfield jointly based state and experimental aviation (KnAAZ) in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.

Officially, the manufacturer currently does not comment on the incident.

Recall that some time ago a message appeared about the readiness to acquire a batch of Su-57 by the Algerian Air Force.

According to local sources, the T-50 factory fighter tested the latest aircraft engine. In all likelihood, we can talk about testing the experimental power plant of the second stage for fifth-generation fighters Su-57. At the moment, the fighters, which will soon be delivered to the Russian Aerospace Forces, are equipped with aircraft engines of the so-called first stage. The engines of the second stage are designed to give the aircraft completely new capabilities.

At one time, it was the engines (their first version) that the Indian authorities called one of the main reasons for the rejection of the FGFA project (Su-57), stating that they "do not meet the parameters of the 5th generation."

Comments

[Hunter 2]

Very bad news ... well, the pilot survived.
We will wait for the conclusions of the commission on the causes of the fall.

[Thrall]

2019 is ending sadly ...

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

A representative of the regional government said that “the engine was tested.” So they dropped the flying lab. T-50 with the engine of the second stage, known as the "Product 30". The second flying prototype PAK FA T-50-2 aircraft was converted into a flying laboratory, and instead of one of the two “Product 117” engines (left), a prototype of the “Product 30” engine was installed on it. It has little in common with the serial board.

[loki565]

A representative of the regional government said that “the engine was tested.” So they dropped the flying lab.

It looks like

RIA Novosti, the T-50 fighter crashed. the aircraft is not military and belongs to the manufacturer - the Gagarin Aircraft Plant.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

There is also a problem with the recently launched satellite.

https://www.roscosmos.ru/27891/

Yes, the year ends sadly.

[Harry.km]

The main thing with the pilot is all right. Reported that ankle dislocation, no more injuries.

[figwam]

Failure of one of the engines does not lead to the crash of the aircraft, here either fire or control failure.

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Probably, unlike the fact of the fall itself, we will not know the reason.
Recently, the investigation was completed on the fall of the Tu-154, flying to Syria exactly two years ago, there are results, but they are classified.

[Nkv3]

The results were loudly announced literally on the second day after the tragedy, BEFORE the discovery of black boxes: this is not a terrorist attack!
This is all that the Russian needed to know, the rest is not our business.
By the way, a similar story happened after the Sinai tragedy.

[Avior]

About the hole drilled in the Union, in general, everything is secretly secret, and the case is out of the ordinary

[skif8013]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x1WyoB6s5w

[skif8013]

you about the astronauts)

[Avior]

My post with reference to the priest from the report of the Komsomolskaya Pravda was simply deleted
it turns out there is a special approved over prayer for spaceships

[loki565]

There are flight modes when the plane simply does not pull out on one engine, for example, twisted the loop, or pulled out of a corkscrew, the pilot realized that he would not have time to get the car out and decided to kaitapultiruyut.

[knn54]

And the human factor?

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich

A representative of the regional government said that “the engine was tested.” So they dropped the flying lab. T-50 with the engine of the second stage, known as the "Product 30". The second flying prototype PAK FA T-50-2 aircraft was converted into a flying laboratory, and instead of one of the two “Product 117” engines (left), a prototype of the “Product 30” engine was installed on it. It has little in common with the serial board.

He must fly with 1 engine

[askort154]

Vol4ara He and with 1 engine must fly.

The factory test pilot, "just like that", is not ejected.
The main thing is he is alive (dislocation of the ankle of the leg, no fracture) - he will tell everything, and the "black box" will confirm.
Experts will understand and draw conclusions. Therefore, this flight is called "test", and this T-50 aircraft flew under the factory test program. This is not a serial product of the Su-57. And the media, as always, without understanding, hurry up - pass "warm" for "hot".

[Vol4ara]

Quote: askort154

Vol4ara He and with 1 engine must fly.

The factory test pilot, "just like that", is not ejected.
The main thing is he is alive (dislocation of the ankle of the leg, no fracture) - he will tell everything, and the "black box" will confirm.
Experts will understand and draw conclusions. Therefore, this flight is called "test", and this T-50 aircraft flew under the factory test program. This is not a serial product of the Su-57. And the media, as always, without understanding, hurry up - pass "warm" for "hot".

Well, the first news was that the T50 test machine crashed. And now they are already writing that it was the first production model that underwent factory tests before delivery to the download, most likely they wanted to catch it before NG. But this is not accurate, there is no official confirmation

[kjhg]

Quote: askort154

This is not a serial product of the Su-57.

Unfortunately, this was the first production aircraft.

[arkadiyssk]

And why did people decide that if they were "testing the engine" it meant that a laboratory plane had fallen? The first serial aircraft, which they promised to transfer to the troops before the New Year, could have also fallen. The factory ones may have run in the plane, testing all systems on it, including the engines.

[NN52]

arkadiyssk

The first serial ... and if at a distance of 120 km from the point, then most likely an acceleration flight and a "ceiling" were performed according to the program of standard factory tests before being transferred to the Aerospace Forces.
And if an experienced factory test pilot could not save the car, then the failure was serious, and no one could ..
It's good that I was catapulted and alive.

[arkadiyssk]

Whether or not we’ll get the answer quickly, even if the photos from the accident are classified, as after the recent TU-22, the week remained before NG. If they don’t pass, then the serial one fell.

[jaroff]

Factory, but military, from acceptance

[Far East]

I can assume: today, warming up the car between about 14: 00-15: 00 hours I heard TWO deaf explosions. something like this. I could be wrong! Sovgavan.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: arkadiyssk

And why did people decide that if they were "testing the engine" it meant that a laboratory plane had fallen? The first serial aircraft, which they promised to transfer to the troops before the New Year, could have also fallen. The factory ones may have run in the plane, testing all systems on it, including the engines.

"Handsome" the first serial Su-57 crashed. Shame on the whole world. The media will try.

The fifth-generation fighter Su-57, which crashed on Tuesday in the Khabarovsk Territory, was the first production model; it was supposed to be handed over to the military by the end of 2019, an informed source told Interfax.
"This is the first serial Su-57, which the plant was supposed to transfer to the military before the end of the year," - said the agency's interlocutor.

https://www.interfax.ru/russia/689131

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

This is the first production Su-57, which the plant was supposed to transfer to the military before the end of the year.

Maybe that's why they broke it - in a hurry, trying to meet the deadline. As with the tests at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, which tried to catch in time for the first of May.

[telobezumnoe]

it’s quite possible .. now the situation is such that lawyers make contacts between suppliers of contractors for half a year, constantly trying to push something into the add-on, and for each new order, a new contract, and even with those enterprises that have been working for many years there is no standard contract. suppliers only begin to do something after an advance, as a result, everything is purchased at the last moment, when it is time for the customer to take it, hence everything is directly assembled, tested, done in such a short time so as not to be subject to penalties for disrupting the state contract. but the lawyers are great, they work, and those who carry out the assembly do everything hastily clamped by deadlines. also the states of those who control purchases are so bloated, each bolik for a new order is bought through a tender. and you can’t buy Prozap either something, at least due to the order (misuse) and the fact that the one released last year does not fit into the reliability requirements, everything must be fresh so that it fits into the product’s life.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

told Interfax informed source.

Do you believe such links to anonymous sources? It's like - "I somewhere, like, I heard something"

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

All such news goes the same way - the Ministry of Defense denies everything, the information comes from anonymous "sources in the industry." Some commentators scold industry sources and show how distrustful they are. Further, the Ministry of Defense is still silent, and the reports of "sources in the industry" become de facto the main version, which everyone follows. So about this aircraft will be about the same: after a while someone will ask "Where is the serial Su-57, the deliveries of which were planned to begin in 2019?" And the same commentators who did not trust anonymous sources will answer: "Yes, he crashed during the tests, you will have to wait for a new one to be made."

[Piramidon]

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

All such news goes the same way.

When they pass this path, then it will be possible to discuss. In the meantime, agree "this type of stuffing, not news, but" gossip "

[Vyacheslav Viktorovich]

Quote: Piramidon

That's when they go this way, then it will be possible to discuss.

Already gone.

On VO, the next article about this drying includes the phrase "Recall that we are talking about a combat aircraft, which was going to be transferred to the troops by the end of the year."

[Piramidon]

Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich

Quote: Piramidon

That's when they go this way, then it will be possible to discuss.

Already gone.

On VO, the next article about this drying includes the phrase "Recall that we are talking about a combat aircraft, which was going to be transferred to the troops by the end of the year."

Again, they refer to some unnamed sources

[panzerfaust]

Yes, this was the first production sample to be sent to the troops ..... "THIS IS RUSSIA, BABY !!!" It's like with the KA-50 - "rise and fall", turned out to be of no use to anyone.

[Nkv3]

Drop the flying lab, mean?
Do you think this should greatly reassure the same Algeria, which seems to have agreed to purchase the product?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Nkv3

Drop the flying lab, mean?
Do you think this should greatly reassure the same Algeria, which seems to have agreed to purchase the product?

In order to test, to identify all the "shoals" and eliminate them.

[Ivan 1980]

It’s right if this is a test plant, then the test pilot’s task is to break the plane to find critical angles and loads, so that pilots do not repeat them in the VKS or to fine-tune the systems.

[Harry.km]

Quote: Ivan 1980

if it’s a test, then the test pilot’s task is to break the plane to find critical angles and loads,

If this is a "flying laboratory" then yes ... but if this is a production aircraft, then by no means! Angles and loads have long been found and painted.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Harry.km

If this is a "flying laboratory" then yes ... and if this is a serial aircraft, then

It is a not serial airplane. Be scared.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Harry.km

read carefully

What to read?

[Serhiodjan]

Yeah, and he flies, unlike the Su-57, backwards. You write strange things - 2 the built model of the aircraft has little in common with the serial model, but probably it looks more like a tank :) but in fact it’s the same glider, but everything was the same there, the engine was different. In general, it is sad of course that all of our new flying devices fall with terrible constancy.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

T-50-2 aircraft, on which, instead of one of the two “Product 117” engines (left), a prototype of the “Product 30” engine was installed.

Even the T-50 (not the combatant Su-57) is capable of continuing the flight and landing at the airfield on one dvigun (if the left - experimental one fails). But when both engines "choke" - look for the cause in the fuel system, or in the electronics ... My fellow flyers explained this to me ...
It was somehow sad from this fly in the ointment in the program of transition to the dviglo of the 2nd stage ...
But.

[Lozovik]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Even the T-50 (not the combatant Su-57) is capable of continuing the flight and landing at the airfield on one dvigun (if the left - experimental one fails). But when both engines "choke" - look for the cause in the fuel system, or in the electronics ... My fellow flyers explained this to me ...
It was somehow sad from this fly in the ointment in the program of transition to the dviglo of the 2nd stage ...
But.

Already called a preliminary reason - the failure of the longitudinal channel KSU-50. The engine has nothing to do with it.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Lozovik

The engine has nothing to do with it.

Dear, read the posts carefully!
I talked about engines in conjunction with the fuel system and ELECTRONICS ... So much for the "failure of the longitudinal channel KSU-50" ...
Sincerely, KAA.

[Lozovik]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

I talked about engines in conjunction with the fuel system and ELECTRONICS ... So much for the "failure of the longitudinal channel KSU-50" ...

How is engine failure (which most likely was not) related to the aircraft control system?

[Chaldon48]

Unfortunately, not one type of equipment is immune from such accidents.

[tomket]

Quote: Thrall

Sadly ends the year 2019.

Year of the Pig, but what did you want? Here is a pig and planted before leaving.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Hunter 2

Very bad news ...

Unfortunately, the failures of technology, the more complicated and new, the inevitability ...
Alas...
And not only with us.
(Here is the creaklam couch joy!)
With this money, how much could feed the pioneers and pensioners!

[Dangerous]

What kind of nonsense are you writing ?? What is Creaklam? what do pensioners have to do with it? Fell and fell, why is it necessary to add heresy to this news ??

[Victor_B]

Quote: Dangerous

What kind of nonsense are you writing ?? What is Creaklam?

Do you think Navalny will comment on this news?
More precisely, HOW Bulk and Co. will write about it?
Medusa was one of the first to report this event. They are the first to find any shit.
The night is deaf, and let alone about the misfortune - so immediately.
Suffer soul for a Russian!
From the Tribaltics.

[Dangerous]

Is Navalny here now? Our plane crashed, and you are interested in Navalny, your retirement Era (is it really impossible to write this word normally?) And creaks. Achtung just

[Victor_B]

Quote: Dangerous

Is Navalny here now?

This is just an image of the enemy of my country. Typical. Untwisted.

Quote: Dangerous

your pensionEra (is it really impossible to write this word normally?)

And I'm like a black man. Negro - Negro can call a Negro!
I'm a senior citizen. I can call myself a stump senior and pensioner Er.

[Souchastnik]

I can call myself a stump senior and pensioner Er.

Victor Petrovich. I have concerns about your state of mind. You apparently do not work? Have nothing to do?

[Fraracol_2]

If Navalny is "the enemy of your country," then who is the friend?

[kjhg]

Quote: Dangerous

Is Navalny here now? Our plane crashed, and you are interested in Navalny, your retirement Era (is it really impossible to write this word normally?) And creaks. Achtung just

People from endless propaganda completely blown away. I won’t be surprised if such people, even when they have sex with their wife, remember the Ukrainians, Trump and Putin. Then they will complain that the wife is cheating with a neighbor

[Victor_B]

Quote: kjhg

People from endless propaganda completely blown away. I won’t be surprised if such people, even when they have sex with their wife, remember the Ukrainians, Trump and Putin.

I think about Israel. Jew I have it.
And bulk propaganda and Co. are very correctly conducted among schoolchildren.
After 5 years, they will graduate from universities.
And they are already being taught maidan.

[kjhg]

Quote: Victor_B

I think about Israel.

Not surprised. Such can even embroil siblings. Tricks they do not occupy.

Quote: Victor_B

And bulk propaganda and Co. are very correctly conducted among schoolchildren.
After 5 years, they will graduate from universities.
And they are already being taught maidan.

You, with the interweaving of the State Department and the Maidan on business and without, are you doing better? The head was given not only in order to eat and shout about the Maidan. What, we have no problems in the country? By this you only discredit yourself more.

[Robertocalos]

Billions are stolen by friends of the commander-in-chief, and Navalny is leading propaganda. Everything is upside down for you.

[Harry.km]

Quote: kjhg

I won’t be surprised if such people, even when they have sex with their wife, remember the Ukrainians, Trump and Putin. Then they will complain that the wife is cheating with a neighbor

And if the process failed, then the sanctions are to blame)))

[Altona]

Quote: Victor_B

Do you think Navalny will comment on this news?
More precisely, HOW Bulk and Co. will write about it?

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He will normally comment on this news, why are you worried about who will say what? Are you a kind of grandmother at the entrance, for whom it is important to approve your opinion in the yard? First, prototypes often crash. Secondly, since 2010 it would have been possible to bring to mind a long time ago, otherwise it is not necessary to blow from each iron about the next "breakthrough" or "breakthrough". Thirdly, this is a direct consequence of the state of industry and science, and everything else related to technology, maintenance and other things.

[Nkv3]

Do you have a bulk idea fix?
Neither can you sleep or eat without Navalny?
In such cases, the doctor helps. I can even suggest a doctor’s profile - psychiatry.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Victor_B

Quote: Dangerous

What kind of nonsense are you writing ?? What is Creaklam?

Do you think Navalny will comment on this news?
More precisely, HOW Bulk and Co. will write about it?
Medusa was one of the first to report this event. They are the first to find any shit.
The night is deaf, and let alone about the misfortune - so immediately.
Suffer soul for a Russian!
From the Tribaltics.

Excuse me, who is Navalny?

[novel66]

Alex, hi! the matter is ordinary, new equipment happens and fails, the main thing is that the pilot is alive, but they’ll catch some

[Hunter 2]

Hi Roman! Yes, it is clear that failures and breakdowns occur in any equipment. Just like that already I want the SU-57 to appear in combat combat units as soon as possible.

[novel66]

Oh yeah! but completely combat ready!

[hydrox]

I'm more interested in HOW the FSB will work: to search for the true cause, or for a daw ...

[loki565]

I'm more interested in HOW the FSB will work: to search for the true cause, or for a daw ...

Likely to have a conversation with you, you know the trip campaign)))

[Gray brother]

Quote: loki565

Likely to have a conversation with you, you know the trip campaign)))

In the cellars of the Lubyanka, they are already preparing felt boots stuffed with wet sand.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Gray Brother

already preparing boots stuffed with wet sand

Stockings

[Gray brother]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Stockings

Stockings for wimps.

[hydrox]

Who?
Cushioned sofas?

[Altona]

Quote: hydrox

I'm more interested in HOW FSBs will work

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Having raised, have the FSB men already got to the flight accidents? Then we will definitely not have any equipment, if with a lamp in our face and with a revolver we will look for the reasons for the failure of equipment. And you personally are probably interested in the list for execution with a resolution to "shoot" at the top and bold red pencil marks?

[Dude]

a list to be shot with a resolution on top of "shoot" and bold red pencil marks?

If you "shoot", then blue!

[hydrox]

Such passions should interest liberoids: continue to be afraid.

[Harry.km]

Quote: Altona

Then, for sure, we won’t have any equipment, if we look into the causes of equipment failure with a lamp in the face and with a gun.

Yes, judging by the list of recent incidents and the tendencies of what is happening, it is long time ago not only a lamp in the face, but a wet rag on the face ... An incident occurred in a strategic industry, do you think only "a bird in the engine" will work?

[hydrox]

For those who are in armored personnel carriers, this is not a flight accident, but a disaster, and disasters are ALWAYS considered with the participation of the FSB.
So it’s clear, or rewrite by syllables?

[Altona]

Quote: hydrox

For those who are in armored personnel carriers, this is not a flight accident, but a disaster, and disasters are ALWAYS considered with the participation of the FSB.

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And what will the FSB figure out? Put all KB behind bars? Will delve into engine operating modes and possible causes of failure? Will torture the flight crew and maintenance mechanics? Well, let them all do it? Does this somehow help in the future? For those like you on armored personnel carriers. The KGB of the USSR was successfully introduced into all spheres of activity of the USSR. Did this somehow help prevent its collapse?

[hydrox]

I don’t do any educational work for middle school students (I had enough students to want a rest from you) ...

[hydrox]

So be it: for those who are on armored personnel carriers :: read here
The FSB of Russia will check the circumstances of the illegal extraction of sand in Kerch,
https://oko-planet.su/politik/infonfokoreg/550324-fsb-rossii-proverit-obstoyatelstva-nezakonnoy-dobychi-peska-v-kerchi.html
Well, now it’s clear why the FSB is being held?

[Piramidon]

Quote: hydrox

I'm more interested in HOW FSBs will work

And private detectives and access grandmothers will be involved in the investigation of the accident.

[Andrey.AN]

Private and connected, the experimental aircraft is private, insured, a civilian pilot, the FSB only watches secrets there.

[hydrox]

Grannies were a long time ago when you slapped your yeroplan on the belly, and the mansion ran all in soap in order to smear some from the tribunal ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: hydrox

You your yeroplan slapped on the belly

I understand you, boy in nasty red trousers. Have you already grown the chubik or are you trying to deal with Bandera's "semi-box" here? ?

[hydrox]

Why do you call yourself a "Bandera semi-box"?
There was no trial yet, you have not earned the gallows in court, and demonstrate your verbal exercises to friends in the zone. I note that there are no statutes of limitations on the Holocaust - do you want to earn?

[Piramidon]

This is how much you had to take so much vodka to pile up such a thing? Answer in style - "the fool himself", this is your banderlog, in the blood.

[hydrox]

Why do you need to understand?
It’s obvious that the brains, like the Skakuas’s, are not netut (probably, they pumped up a pumpkin very much during the accident - that’s all the slurry leaked)
Well, don’t worry, with such a sore you have to suffer for a short time - disability, come on, do not pay?
And then, for such an accident, well, that did not slap ...

[hydrox]

Interesting: does our cerebellum have such an attitude towards my opinion or is it not a very good attitude towards the KGB?

[cost]

Look for "black boxes". The main thing is that the pilot is alive, and it will not be difficult to fix technical problems.

[bessmertniy]

The serious question is whether the plant has a sufficient supply of equipment to continue these very important tests.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Rich

Look for "black boxes"

Thanks for the point. The Commission of Inquiry replied - "Yes!" and accepted for execution. Otherwise, they did not even think to look for them.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

Remember how in Soviet times they put cars on the wing, how many accidents and even disasters happened, how many wonderful test pilots gave their lives bringing the cars to mind, and now these are legendary planes!

[Dangerous]

I will support. In Soviet times, they simply said that such and such an aircraft had been adopted. How many accidents there were at the testing stage - the public did not know. And you don't really need to know all this. Otherwise, those who are "for" will be foaming at the mouth to prove that in other countries this is even worse, and those who are "against" will go out with bile. Working moments of tests

[Mytholog]

Quote: Hunter 2

Very bad news ...

Do not overclock. Testing is what testing is. It happens, alas.

[parkello]

in general, it’s not very tragic. Thank God the pilot remained alive, but with the fall, well, it happens, what can I do? experiencing the same. Of course, there will be ups and downs. for this they are tested in order to identify design weaknesses, or a programming error. I hope it will benefit. identify, eliminate the shortcomings before starting the series. this is normal

[DED_peer_DED]

But look what happens? If you read this discussion, it begins to seem that the worse things are, the more mess in the country, the more drowning, burning, exploding and falling, the more positive reviews on the forum ...
As you read, it begins to seem that in the very fact of gouging the plane, there are some positive aspects.
And, in the soul (her mother ...) of everyone, how? Also "positive" moods from such news?
So, where is your "truth", brothers? The one that is in your souls, or the one that you - write here?

[parkello]

our mood is optimistic anyway. it is better to let the falls begin at its initial stage during testing than during service or on a combat mission. the plane is in the red, yes .. but this is not a combat aircraft, but the one that had to be tested before critical moments, i.e. a flying laboratory. The main thing is that the pilot is alive, and the "hardware" will be studied, modified, put on the wing and this machine will continue to please its users. but the bitterness of loss remains. it is simply drowned out by the few joys that we still have. the pilot is alive, his experience is invaluable and can be passed on to young pilots. for the rest ... it's better to laugh than cry for any reason. especially since there is a reason not to cry, but just swear and move on. this machine will be replaced by others, more advanced, and this cannot but rejoice.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: parkello

better to laugh than cry for any reason.

At some official events, you may be misunderstood.

[parkello]

it's okay, I'm already used to it. that few people understand me. and generally do not pay attention to such. I produce immunity.

[DED_peer_DED]

Something about the “Bright Future”, I increasingly refer to myself as pessimists.

[alexmach]

If you read this discussion, it begins to seem that the worse things are, the more mess in the country, the more drowning, burning, exploding and falling, the more positive reviews on the forum ...
К

There is nothing to dramatize. Nothing of the kind happened, not the most pleasant news, but nothing critical at all. normal workflow.

[vic02]

We will wait for the conclusions of the commission on the causes of the fall.

Do you hope that you will be informed about the test progress? They will say something believable in two or three words and that’s it.

[Vol4ara]

Nobody remembers something about Japanese f35? Maybe then it was also "this aviation is a complicated technique, it happens, it's okay", but if my memory serves me, that time the vector of comments was completely different

[Dude]

... then at that time the vector of comments was completely different

Well, there was not a prototype, but a serial one, adopted for service in several countries.
But, in general, why are you surprised? A completely understandable reaction was to the failure of our enemies.
Or do you propose to be very upset about them?
They will not show us such courtesy.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Dude

... then at that time the vector of comments was completely different

Well, there was not a prototype, but a serial one, adopted for service in several countries.
But, in general, why are you surprised? A completely understandable reaction was to the failure of our enemies.
Or do you propose to be very upset about them?
They will not show us such courtesy.

But what if a serial sample, then the theses "this is aviation, sophisticated equipment, it's okay" do not fit it? And I'm not surprised at the joy for the crashed technique of the enemy, I myself am glad, but at the hat-shaking reigning on the forum

[Dude]

... But what if a serial sample, then the theses "this is aviation, sophisticated equipment, it's okay" do not fit it?

Less.

[ultra]

Quote: Vol4ara

Something about the Japanese f35 no one remembers?

Why nobody? You remembered.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: ultra

Quote: Vol4ara

Something about the Japanese f35 no one remembers?

Why nobody? You remembered.

In relation to itself is not applicable

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Hunter 2

Very bad news ... well, the pilot survived.
We will wait for the conclusions of the commission on the causes of the fall.

Civilian pilot. But is that possible?

The fighter belonged to the branch of PJSC "Company" Sukhoi "KnAAZ im. Yu.A. Gagarin. This week, the Russian Defense Ministry is to receive the first serial Su-57.
A source told Interfax that the crashed Su-57 was piloted by a civilian pilot.

https://www.interfax.ru/russia/689118

[NN52]

They wrote a little "crookedly" about the civilian pilot), but in fact, the factory test pilots are not military (they have not been liable for military service for a long time, and the Ministry of Defense does not obey, but in the KB staff), but once they were. And in the military acceptance at the plant, at the same time, there are military test pilots.
By the way, Sergey Bogdan is also not a serviceman now. A civilian pilot of the Sukhoi Design Bureau.

[maidan.izrailovich]

Very bad news ... well, the pilot survived.

News makes good only the fact that the pilot is alive. As for the accident as such, this is an ordinary event for testing equipment. And even more so complicated. And test pilots are ready for such situations. It would be much worse if the flaws begin to manifest in combat units. And the pilots will really die. Surely this accident will make the plane more reliable.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Hunter 2

We will wait for the conclusions of the commission on the causes of the fall.

It is better at this stage to identify a hidden defect than to bury combatant pilots later. Not for nothing that one of our designers said, if the plane immediately took off, flew and sat down without problems, then there will be problems afterwards. The phrase is not accurate, but the meaning is just that.

[NN52]

NEXUS (Andrey)

You and here, decided to insert your "a couple of kopecks"?
In vain ....
Aviation concepts "zero" ... better stay out of it ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: NN52

Aviation concepts "zero" ... better stay out of it ..

And you are directly expert, who hides his petty nature behind a homespun ostentatious patriotism.

[NN52]

NEXUS (Andrey)

"Smiled" comment from you ....
Do you even know the meaning of the word "homespun"?)
Rzhu)))

[gx200gx]

The main thing is the pilot is alive! And the iron will be brought to mind, for this and the test.

[Lone gunman]

What kind of attack, one of the first flights of this aircraft, not even a "ferry" one, is a blow worse than what was happening at the Khmeimim base.

[novel66]

calmer, softer, and then

[Lone gunman]

Immediately visible flight of thought, a Soviet provincial man!

[79807420129]

Quote: Lone gunman

Immediately visible flight of thought, a Soviet provincial man!

No, that's where the flight of thought

Quote: Lone gunman

What kind of attack, one of the first flights of this aircraft, not even a "ferry" one, is a blow worse than what was happening at the Khmeimim base.

Straight masterpiece.

[Lone gunman]

another masterpiece from a dinosaur, a blow to the reputation before signing the agreement on the purchase of Su-57 by Algeria.

[loki565]

this is not a production model, but the prototype T50, for testing individual units and flight modes.

[vic02]

you know the campaign. Do not tell me then which of the prototypes crashed? Or is it still one that is already serial.

[Pytnik]

The fifth-generation fighter Su-57, which crashed on Tuesday in the Khabarovsk Territory, was the first production vehicle to be handed over to the military on December 27, an informed source told RIA Novosti.

[shahor]

Quote: loki565

this is not a production model

This is the first production aircraft. Under the contract must be delivered before the end of the year. The second is until the end of next year.

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

Pour this masterpiece in granite, and on a plaque !!! I announce a fundraiser, transfer money to my card! I'm waiting!

[novel66]

need to share!

[novel66]

Soviet, and, which is characteristic, I’m proud of it, Moscow Region is not the province itself, but, for reference, there are wonderful people living in the province, rednecks do not understand, of course

[Errr]

Yes, we have the whole country - one big Moscow region, on which Moscow itself stands, in fact, as on a foundation. And Tynda is still not the most "extreme point of Moscow" (I remembered a Soviet song, a romantic one, performed by VIA "Gems").

[novel66]

lovely song! only there seems to be a daughter of Moscow. not?

[Errr]

Nope, not a daughter.

Tynda is the ringing rails
The rustle of pines and red grass.
Here in the cold you can warm yourself with a song
Tynda is the extreme point of Moscow.
Tynda, Tynda, Tynda, Tynda
Tynda is the extreme point of Moscow!

Well, etc ...

[novel66]

but I heard something as a child ... well oh well!

[sir.jonn]

Quote: Lone gunman

What kind of attack, one of the first flights of this aircraft, not even a "ferry" one, is a blow worse than what was happening at the Khmeimim base.

For this, there are all kinds of tests and test pilots for whom contingencies do not exist.

[novel66]

as rightly noted: "A real test pilot must fly freely on everything that can only fly, and with some difficulty on what cannot fly"

[K-612-O]

How do you read the article? This is a factory airplane labarotoria, not a production airplane. By the way, the military fellows, who ordered the first batch of ALKs, while they are bringing "30" ku, it may not last for a year.
And not what a blow. Tests, including in extreme modes, are carried out so that then the planes do not fall in packs.

[Nastia makarova]

and what's going on at the base ????

[Lone gunman]

Russian air defenses in Syria-Latakia again shot down a couple of "rebels" drones, which are funded by the Western "coalition" ... unfortunately, this does not end ... If you are talking about the misfortune about the base.

[Nastia makarova]

so drones shot down))) what is the tragedy?

[Lone gunman]

I'm talking about the situation in general and about the economic damage in particular, where "artisanal" drones, not "MQ-9 Reaper" and the other side are combat anti-missiles

[Nastia makarova]

yes a penny this money will be spent on training more, but then the combat experience that money can’t buy anywhere

[Lone gunman]

combat experience when you are dealing with something "serious". Nastya, I wrote to you because I have a daughter, Nastya, there will be questions, please contact "let's talk", but this "topic" is closed for me - point.

[Nastia makarova]

OK. closed

[maidan.izrailovich]

Lone gunman
What a misfortune ....

What a misfortune ....
F-22
Accidents: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed/Boeing_F-22_Raptor# Flight Accidents
F-35
Crash: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35# Crash crash
And basically these are serial cars. This suggests that the Americans adopted unfinished aircraft.

We don’t need such hockey.

[Dmitry Vyazmenskiy]

Fell, I didn’t understand any of the first models (T50), or is Su57 already the first combat drill?

[eagle owl]

factory. To the army no side

[Dmitry Vyazmenskiy]

It is already good that "not brought" has fallen!

[Silver Fox]

engine tested

[eagle owl]

Probably

[Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations]

Well, now the brothers are howling in ecstasy!

[rocket757]

According to the latest information, the pilot who piloted the fighter managed to eject, after which he was discovered by a search and rescue squad. On a Mi-8 helicopter, the pilot was delivered to a medical facility. His health is not reported.

This is IMPORTANT, and the rest later.
This is AVIATION, it happens.

[Compass14]

Something often this year. ...
Direct invasion of a plane crash.

[rocket757]

Intensive work, after many years of lag ... it can be.
In any case, test flights are a multiple increased risk.

[Compass14]

You see, this is so, but when there is no trust in the investigating authorities, the reasons are not clear, and this is the main thing.
the last example with the choir of alexander, the case was closed and that’s it ...

[rocket757]

Distrust of the authorities ... and different authorities, this is our misfortune. How those very powerful people relate to this is evident from the fact that nothing changes there, despite various reorganizations, improvements, consolidations, and so on.
This does not bother them, but before our problems they will have it very much later, when it’s completely the edge!
What kind of power, such and such bodies ... without fundamental changes, it would certainly not be better.

[tracer]

New technology is always brought over by years of operation. Sometimes it happens. The main pilot is alive. Health to him and a speedy return to duty.

[Silver Fox]

A representative of the regional government said that “the engine was tested.”

The main versions of the crash are malfunction and pilot error.

[hydrox]

For such cases, when it is not yet known WHAT and HOW happened, for such conclusions (piloting error, malfunction or even worse "human factor") even before the appearance of the protocol of investigation, for the person who said it (INCLUDING the media !!) it is necessary to adopt a special Law "On liability for spreading false rumors (putting pressure on the conclusions of the State Commission)" with sanctions for ordinary gossips - 10 sp., for officials 50 sp., for federal officials 200 sp., and for the media - 300 sp. ...
And then: has no one yet seen the absurdity in the definition of "piloting error" as applied to a test pilot? Didn't you find such a phrase offensive for a person with such a profession? But this form of expression of the moral and ethical state of consciousness of an involved official for a normal person is perceived as "meanness" with a clearly expressed desire to evade responsibility (and a hint to the composition of the commission seems to be not binding on anyone) ...
Something like that.

[Satanator]

The test pilot during the tests has nothing to do a priori, it looks like a crooked assembly under pressure from the authorities at the end of the year, they have massive psychosis and tantrums at that time, it's time to report and report, and then write yourself premiums

[hydrox]

It is a likely option.
Only I thought that we had already gone far from the well-known "shaft plan" ...

[Ivan 1980]

And what other option should be ..... only if 3 diversion.

[Prisoner]

Tests What can I say? So another weak link has been discovered. Sometimes a tester pays for it. It is good that in this case the pilot was not lost.

[Graz]

the image of the aircraft, this incident will greatly spoil. perhaps this fact should not be made public

[Semurg]

Quote: Graz

the image of the aircraft, this incident will greatly spoil. perhaps this fact should not be made public

For 21 centuries in the courtyard it is almost impossible to hide such incidents, it is better to let you know yourself than to read this news on foreign news sites. A new aircraft has not yet been brought and crashing will still be possible and with further testing everyone understands this and the image will not suffer much.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Graz

the image of the aircraft, this incident will greatly spoil.

Seriously? He was in a single copy dragging something.

[Graz]

if this is a prototype T50, then another 12 pieces of official su 57, that is 13 pieces and one has already broken, for potential buyers this is already a huge minus, all this will have to be leveled by responsible comrades, and most likely they will require either technology transfer or a discount

[hydrox]

At the very least, ban ANY comments until the Protocol on the causes of the accident appears.
In fact, such a product does not look like a toilet paper roll and does not cost 3 rubles - someone should bear the least responsibility in the form of a record in a private matter ...

[hydrox]

This is already minus the factory and ministerial order questioners!

[FRoman1984]

Yes, the news on the internet has already gone.
The pilot is alive and thank God. A new technique happens to be okay.

[Dima Kurin]

This is a factory test .. Everything can be, for example, improved engines may have tested, they’ll complete it, they’ll finish it okay - the main thing is that the pilot

[Mountain shooter]

No big deal. The main thing is that the pilot is alive. The plane is not combatant. They’ll insert an enema plant, for sure. Half a bucket of skia with gramophone needles. They will be picked carefully ... Yes, and the plant lost money - horror! They haven’t received the car yet ...

[K-612-O]

Yes, it is not possible to accept, it is the second prototype, in any case, it remains at the factory, as well as the third. It is for testing, modernization, testing.

[Eug]

With all the minuses of the incident, it is nevertheless good that the problem was identified by tests, and not drill operation. The pilot - soon return to flight work, all involved - to identify and fix the problem.

[Moonsund]

I don’t forget why to voice everything straight. Tests are underway, the engine of the next stage, emergency situations are possible. TEST PILOTS. specially trained professionals. Haha call, the more important the project is for the country

[GRIGORIY76]

The official version and the news is better than the guesses and assumptions of bloggers and journalists. This would be invented ...

[7,62x54]

It’s good that he’s alive. Only as if effective managers did not put damage on the flyer.

[FRoman1984]

"The engine was tested." Therefore, the very one, “Product 30”. Serdyukov recently said that 16 flights were carried out with new engines.
A little is obtained from the moment of the first flight, from December 2017. The process is slow.

[Zufei]

Does the "two engines, two chances" concept not work? The problem isn't the engines, IMHO.

[Ka-52]

Does the "two engines, two chances" concept not work? The problem is not with the engines, IMHO

Well, tell me .... On civilian airliners from 2 to 4 engines. But it happens that everyone dies. If external influence is excluded, the reasons lie most often in the failure of the electrical equipment that controls the fuel system. Or surging when flying at high angles of attack.

[Zufei]

The fall of the An-124 in 1997 in Irkutsk during takeoff. The reason is the ice "sludge" in kerosene after the flight from Vietnam. Engines rarely fail at the same time.

[loki565]

Does the "two engines, two chances" concept not work? The problem isn't the engines, IMHO.

There are flight modes when the plane simply does not pull out on one engine, for example, twisted the loop, or pulled out of a corkscrew, the pilot realized that he would not have time to get the car out and decided to kaitapultiruyut.

[Ka-52]

During flight tests, the behavior of the machine in various modes of both flight and system operation is tested. Often they are critical and supercritical. It’s not just box flight. Equipment failure is far from uncommon, especially with regard to the new. Therefore, one must be sympathetic to such events. The main thing is that when the car crashes, the pilot or pilots survive.

[impostor]

1: 1 after South Carolina, but the Fu-35 has been released in hundreds. We will look further.

[loki565]

1: 1 after South Carolina, but the Fu-35 has been released in hundreds. We will look further.

just do it 7: 1

[Fraracol_2]

Where are seven? !!!

[Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)]

With a raid of 70: 1. Well, do not lie about 7, they will call them a patriot.

[Hermit21]

The first pilot fell, there was no "product 30" on it

[moscowp]

It seems like the other day they were going to transfer the first production car to the Moscow Region, perhaps this is it

[Moskovit]

In any country where modern military equipment is being developed, such cases are inevitable. Most importantly, the pilot is alive. In addition, he, as a professional, will be able to tell what went wrong.

[Zeev Zeev]

Nothing happens with new technology. The pilot is alive, there are no dead on the ground.

[Jack O'Neill]

Fell, unpleasant, but no big deal.
During the tests, a problem appeared, due to which the plane crashed. Tests and tests! Moreover, they tested the dviglo of the 2nd stage.
The pilot is alive and well.
That without panic, gentlemen, nothing terrible happened!

[donavi49]

From there 2 planes flew for sure - the New Year’s plan for the engine was closed and flew the first of the installation party, which must be transferred under the Christmas tree.

RIA Novosti, the T-50 fighter crashed. the aircraft is not military and belongs to the manufacturer - the Gagarin Aircraft Plant.

This applies to any of these aircraft. While there is no transmission, the planes are factory. Again, both serial and experimental can be broken down by the human factor. You can break it down for technical reasons - however, if the serial configuration crashes, the program will be significantly delayed, due to the search for weaknesses and making adjustments to the configuration / design.

[Jack O'Neill]

We must wait for. version, maybe they’ll say what went wrong.

[Jack O'Neill]

By the way, yes, it was the first production board (51001).

So the timing is shifted to the right ...

[Fedorov]

The bitter truth of the life of test pilots. For example, the Su-24 fell for a dozen, until it cured childhood diseases, and now what decade is in operation.

[bober1982]

Quote: Fedorov

For example, the Su-24 with a dozen fell

Only during the tests 14 (fourteen) cars crashed.

[Yrec]

Quote: Hunter 2

Very bad news ... well, the pilot survived.
We will wait for the conclusions of the commission on the causes of the fall.

The pilot is alive and this is good news. The plane crashed due to testing a new engine, and this speaks of tests at transcendental modes. It is better if the flying laboratory is on trials than a combat aircraft on a combat mission.

[Cottodraton]

It's okay, experimental samples sometimes fall ... most importantly no one was hurt

[silver169]

And the contract with Algeria is now something, most likely bye-bye

[Vadim237]

Yes, they’ve already run straight to refuse.

[Dmitry Zverev]

A low bow to test pilots for their service to the Fatherland. Be safe and healthy Pilots!
I wish the engineers-designers of the defense industry successful work.

[Shock.]

I don’t understand the topic right at all. But why didn’t they declare the fall of another model (SU 27 for example)? Why ruin the car’s reputation already at the start?

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Shock.

I don’t understand the topic right at all. But why didn’t they declare the fall of another model (SU 27 for example)? Why ruin the car’s reputation already at the start?

And what is the point of hiding? You can’t hide the awl in a bag, anyway, someone would have informed the media, from the manufacturer or someone from the informants in the Ministry of Defense, and an ugly situation would have come out. And if the foreign media reported the fall of the Su-57 and ours about the Su-27, it would be even worse .... and this is quite a work process, machine tests are underway and such cases happen. The main thing is that the pilot remained alive, but for reasons they’ll figure it out. If this is not the fault of the pilot, but the failure of the equipment then they will bring it to mind, then tests are needed.

[Lord of the Sith]

I heard that everything is in order with the pilot, and that’s good. You can build a new car. With frames more difficult.

[Herman 4223]

I hope that not the first serial failed. What is interesting happened, will it affect the serial production?

[Alexey from Perm]

1 serial, of course, will affect

[Herman 4223]

If it turns out that this is some kind of scammer at the factory, then maybe not much.

[vanavatny]

it’s disgusting to see the poorly concealed joy of some contraceptives, and on the topic we can only say that since the Test pilot ejected, there was no other way out, our falcons are fighting a meter from the ground to the last

[bogart047]

shoot the guilty - stop falling

[Tektor]

As I understand it, the first serial fell, which the MO should have passed on December 27th. Tested engines at maximum speeds before surrender. And these engines were probably not second stage engines.

[meandr51]

There is no silver lining! The pilot caught a defect or defects early on. Design changes will be made and the series will become more reliable.

[Alexey from Perm]

it's hard to say the plane is destroyed go find a defect in a pile of burned debris

[askort154]

Vol4ara ... But this is not accurate, there is no official confirmation

This is the whole point. We are guessing here, "media guesswork".
The factory product is called T-50. The air force is transmitted as the Su-57.
Military pilots before acceptance at the factory, fly around this product in their own way.
a special "foster" program. If there are comments, the plant eliminates and flies over again (if significant comments). Who flew around this board,
not known. Although the first infa, that - "plant". Could this be the first serial production with new engines? Rather yes.

[alexmach]

Could this be the first serial with new engines? Rather, yes.

Well, what is the first serial with new engines then? Serial ones are bought with old ones, and new ones will be brought and finished.

[igorlvov]

The cause of the Su-57 accident was a failure in the aircraft control system
According to the source, the failure occurred in the tail control https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/7410895

[Dmitry Gundorov]

It was an airplane from the first ordered series, not which engine of the second stage is not on it

[Metlik]

Nowadays, many small aircraft are equipped with an emergency parachute descent system. Maybe you should think about such a one for t 50. And it will cost several times cheaper than losing an airplane.

[Andrey.AN]

The plane is insured. The detectives of the insurance campaign will probably be thoroughly understood, with the support of the FSB and the SB of the manufacturer’s campaign (so that the insurance does not rise in price).

[Fraracol_2]

And why in the title of the T-50? Something recently, when the positive infa, everywhere only the SU-57? Sounds like a long-known publicity ploy in PR? Just do not say that this is because the aircraft is factory.

[Alexey from Perm]

Really bad news, this will throw us back.

[Zaurbek]

They wrote that the first serial crashed, which they had to transfer to the MO

[Good_Anonymous]

Accidents are generally inevitable. For 10 years, what is this - 2 or 3? Not so much.

[Avior]

you need to look at the number of flight hours per accident

[Good_Anonymous]

For a quantitative comparison of accidents - of course. But who will publish such data (except, perhaps, the F-35 Joint Program Office).

[mark1]

Ten prototypes flew off normally, and the first production one, practically from the same hands and immediately the failure of the control system ?! 99% - enemy fishing!

[16112014nk]

Quote: NN52

if an experienced factory test pilot could not save the car, then the failure was serious, and no one could ..

Here are just experienced and mowing the most.

[Protos]

Testing a new engine!
Accidents and IFRs are normal in debugging a new engine.
The test pilot survived and this is the most important thing.
They will make new iron and, after analyzing the accident, will start up a new stage of the test!

[DMB-2020]

Bad year ends, a serious disaster. In one day - immediately minus 10% of modern aviation of the 5th generation ?!

[shahor]

Didn't understand. They say that the plane that was intended for the Moscow Region as the first production one crashed. Where does the second stage engine come from?

[alexmach]

Where does the second stage engine come from?

Yes, no one really even knows what actually broke, and yet everyone “talks.” So about every news. We must wait for more reliable official information.

[Satanator]

It looks like the first production SU-57 was destroyed. Serdyukova - with initiative!

[Karaul14]

Just recently we laughed at the fall of the F-35, of which there are already more than 500 flying, when the Su-57, which has not even entered production yet, fell.

[Archivist Vasya]

This had to happen sometime... It's good that the pilot is alive. I wonder what's wrong with the engine.

[Snigir]

I liked the headline, the T-50 fell, and the Su-57 is being adopted.
There is no need to scare patriots

[Alex Alex_2]

Sad news