Immigration to Russia. Running ahead of a steam locomotive?


Logical - not always true



It so happened historically that migration is considered by many to be the only effective cure for the demographic weakness of states. The reason is simple: in developed countries, the population does not want to give birth to children in an amount sufficient even for reproduction. This means that sooner or later the question inevitably arises of the lack of personnel for the normal functioning of local business, and then the more severe problems associated with the very existence of the state.

And attracting foreign migrants seems to be a logical way to resolve the issue: you simplify migration legislation, and now the grateful business is bowing at your feet, and in kindergartens and schools across the country, the voiced voices of new citizens born in families of immigrants from Pakistan, India, Africa, Mexico and many more countries of the world. This is a simple way, and every simple way is attractive for all kinds of public servants, who often do not care about real problems, if the reporting is good.

I’ll clarify right away: I am not a supporter of simple solutions. Firstly, it seems to me that the dominance of migrants is one of the factors determining the unwillingness of our women to give birth to children. No, they are not nationalists or racists. As a rule, they are very far from this even at the household level, not that on the ideological one. This is a little different: in a situation where the criminal situation in the state, to put it mildly, is far from ideal, the influx of visitors inevitably spurs crime. And when your child is not safe on the streets (as well as in schools, universities), his mother is enough for one not to find a place for herself from excitement all day.

In addition, I am quite skeptical about a short-lived business. Everything is very simple here: working hands are needed - compete for them! Raise your salary, improve your social package, create optimal working conditions. This is an excellent incentive for investment in labor productivity, in increasing output, in the purchase of more productive equipment. Dear worker, it is beneficial for the economy if it is not oriented toward exporting slippers and shirts. And for Russia, which in principle cannot count on fair competition in foreign markets, it is all the more stupid to focus on growth models built on the cheapness of labor. Therefore, running away with a handkerchief for every one of our business is clearly not worth it, otherwise soon our salaries will be lower than in Bangladesh.

In general, if you call a spade a spade, I am against any mass migration of foreign citizens to Russia, with the exception of the repatriation of compatriots and their descendants. Everything else, probably, I am ready to accept, albeit very limited and selective. But…

There is some likelihood that I am wrong. So let's still try to consider some options for improving the system of receiving migrants and turning them into real (without quotes) Russians.

Fertility Priority!


To begin with, I will nevertheless make a reservation: before starting any large-scale migration program, we should somehow achieve a turning point in the fight against crime. This is a topic for another conversation, so we just take it for granted: first, a decrease (and significant!) In crime, and only then - migrants from potentially criminogenic points of the globe. And not the other way around ...

It would also be worthwhile first to take care of stimulating the birth rate in the country and only then invest in the reception of migrants. And these are just directly related things: if the money eaten by migration programs can increase maternal capital, increase child allowances and subsidize a mortgage for large families, then this is clearly a more reasonable investment than the cost of receiving and arranging millions of new fellow citizens.

The exception, of course, can (and should!) Be the repatriation programs of compatriots. But there are some purely Russian nuances that need to be taken into account somehow when drawing up repatriation programs. And above all, it is the multinationality of our state, which many opponents of repatriation programs point to.

According to them, it is unfair to repatriate Russians and their descendants to Russia, since there are still many other nationalities. This, they say, may somehow infringe on their rights, lead to protests, the growth of interethnic tension, and so on.

But this argument, admittedly, is very crafty, since absolutely nothing prevents us from repatriating citizens of any nationality on an equal footing if it, this nationality, traditionally lives on the territory of the Russian Federation. Yes, repatriation should apply to Russians, Tatars, Kalmyks, and Mordovians, without exception. Moreover, if the quality of one of the markers is made to include the territorial formation of the nation on the territory of the Russian Federation, then it will also affect Jews, for example, who did not live compactly on the territory of the current Russian Federation.

True, the opponents are more worried about something else, which they try not to talk about, but what can be seen in many of their speeches: they are afraid of a change in the percentage ratio, that the Russians in Russia will become much more proportional. And without that, after all, our country can be considered mono-ethnic, if we approach this issue with European standards. And then there will be even more Russians - horror-horror, is there "nationalism" here ?!

In any case, repatriation programs for compatriots exist both in Israel and in Germany. And the programs are working, effective. Therefore, here, if an appropriate decision is made, it will be easier: it is not a sin to adopt someone else’s experience if it is successful and useful for the state.

Selective migration. Not a vacuum state, but a gardener state!


Now to the question of what and how to do with the so-called labor or economic migration. Here, it turns out, there are also options for successful selective migration based on the needs of the state for certain specialists.

One example is Canada, whose migration legislation is directly based on the principle of demand. Moreover, a whole ministry is engaged in migration there, and for successful migration to Canada it is better not just to have a demanded specialty, but already signed a labor contract with a Canadian company. In turn, there is a limitation for Canadian employers: they first need to prove that none of the indigenous people apply for the available vacancy, and only then they can “sign” a foreign citizen. There are, of course, exceptions, but these are exceptions, not the norm.

Amazing right? Tell the Russian official about this, and after a moment's pause and bewilderment, he will surely say: was it possible? Yes, it turns out that it was possible not to arrange a passage yard from the country, to normalize the work of attracting foreign migrants and guest workers, not to create unnecessary tension in Russian society, not to “stimulate” street crime and drug trafficking. In general, one could immediately do well.

In general, to summarize our small essay, the following should be noted.

First of all, it is worthwhile to understand that even in the most liberal and democratic states the state approach to the issue of migration is not only allowed, but also practiced with confidence. And this does not harm either democracy or liberalism. Therefore, the lamentation of our paid guardians for the tear of a child should be left out of the brackets of any serious discussion of the problem.

In addition, the lamentation of our “business” must be left there. Strictly speaking, he has long been in need not of benefits and privileges, but of competent regulation and increased responsibility. The current situation is already dangerous because the business, in any complication of the situation, goes “into the shadows”, taking it almost for granted. But this not only does not solve the problems of the business itself, but also creates them for the whole society.

Of course, we can and will have to return to the interests of business. But a little later.

When, you ask? And here’s a good marker for you: when the wage gap between top management and a hired skilled employee is not more than 300%, we can say that payrolls are really close to optimal. And if for some this figure seems unreliable, then here you can cite the example of the Scandinavian countries or the late USSR, where the worker received an average of 300 rubles, and the director of the plant somewhere around 800-900 rubles. And nothing, especially not complaining.

Also the most important issue is the banal restoring order on our streets. Drug traffickers should receive capital punishment, all sorts of "criminal authorities" need a fourteen-hour forced day at the state employer, other bandits and criminals should also be horrified to think that the Ministry of Internal Affairs may be interested in them. And only then can migration, especially thought out, become a blessing for our country.

In the meantime, as you know, we make decisions randomly, without thinking. Sometimes it seems that even the world experience in this matter is studied by us at the level of newspaper headlines, not deeper. Therefore, I am against any mass immigration, except for the repatriation programs of our compatriots.

Well, then, probably, time will tell.
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  1. Metlik 25 December 2019 15: 10 New
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    In order to do all this, we need people's power. In the meantime, Putin is more concerned about the problem of Jews in Poland 70 years ago.
    1. Hunter 2 25 December 2019 15: 26 New
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      Quote: Metlik
      In order to do all this, we need people's power. In the meantime, Putin is more concerned about the problem of Jews in Poland 70 years ago.

      Are you tired of scribbling? request Is there a topic ???
      The issue of fertility is a priority issue! It is solved quite simply ... Paying Normal Children's Benefits + Stimulating supplements for improving housing conditions and other social programs - communal! It is within the power of the State.
      Given - that the Russians, the State-forming Nation, it is necessary to legally resolve the issue of Priority and simplification of obtaining Russian Citizenship - Migrants of Russian nationality. We have outside of Russia - more than 40 million Russians live.
      1. New Year day 25 December 2019 15: 39 New
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        Quote: Hunter 2
        We have outside of Russia - more than 40 million Russians live.

        What do you think: how many of them returned to Russia in 20 years of a new life? The distribution of Russian passports abroad does not mean anything. Israel pays Russian pensions, so Israel has become closer to us?
        1. Aaron Zawi 25 December 2019 15: 49 New
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          Quote: Silvestr

          Israel pays Russian pensions, so Israel has become closer to us?

          Stop. Do not throw. In Israel, those old people who have worked all their lives in the RSFSR and the Russian Federation receive pensions. My dad had a 52 year experience. From 43 to 95 year. He began working at an aircraft factory in Saratov at the age of 13 as a driller. Mom has an experience of 52 to 95 years. Since 59, both have worked at a metallurgical plant. Not earned?
          1. New Year day 25 December 2019 15: 52 New
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            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            My dad has

            My mother has been working for more than 50 years. Pension 11 thousand. If not a secret, what is the size in your case?
            I think, do not tell, because obviously not 11 thousand rubles. That's why my opinion is, what for?
            1. Aaron Zawi 25 December 2019 16: 06 New
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              Quote: Silvestr
              Quote: Aaron Zawi
              My dad has

              My mother has been working for more than 50 years. Pension 11 thousand. If not a secret, what is the size in your case?
              I think, do not tell, because obviously not 11 thousand rubles. That's why my opinion is, what for?

              My father translated into rubles was 12 thousand. Mom has 14 thousand, but her experience is not hot. She worked as a technologist on an open-hearth furnace.
              1. New Year day 25 December 2019 18: 39 New
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                Quote: Aaron Zawi
                She worked as a technologist on an open-hearth furnace.

                Deserve it! Thought your parents were paid more
                1. Aaron Zawi 25 December 2019 18: 42 New
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                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Quote: Aaron Zawi
                  She worked as a technologist on an open-hearth furnace.

                  Deserve it! Thought your parents were paid more

                  Why on earth? The earned pension is transferred from ruble to dollar once a quarter. Of course, this is a help to the old-age allowance that the old people get here, but agree this is their money.
                  1. New Year day 25 December 2019 18: 46 New
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                    Quote: Aaron Zawi
                    agree it is their money.

                    Undoubtedly. This is an indicator of how they “value” those who built the country.
              2. Krasnodar 25 December 2019 18: 53 New
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                Quote: Aaron Zawi
                Quote: Silvestr
                Quote: Aaron Zawi
                My dad has

                My mother has been working for more than 50 years. Pension 11 thousand. If not a secret, what is the size in your case?
                I think, do not tell, because obviously not 11 thousand rubles. That's why my opinion is, what for?

                My father translated into rubles was 12 thousand. Mom has 14 thousand, but her experience is not hot. She worked as a technologist on an open-hearth furnace.

                Grandchildren for gifts
              3. atalef 25 December 2019 19: 17 New
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                Quote: Aaron Zawi
                My father translated into rubles was 12 thousand. Mom has 14 thousand, but her experience is not hot. She worked as a technologist on an open-hearth furnace.

                my mother translated into rubles - 7 with a thousand kopecks.
                25 years at school, a teacher.
              4. Ingvar 72 25 December 2019 21: 05 New
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                My father translated into rubles was 12 thousand.

                And how much is the Israeli part of the pension? If not a secret of course.
                1. Aaron Zawi 25 December 2019 21: 53 New
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                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Quote: Aaron Zawi
                  My father translated into rubles was 12 thousand.

                  And how much is the Israeli part of the pension? If not a secret of course.

                  Dad left like a year. How many counted my mother now I won’t even say. And this is not a pension, but an old-age allowance. They did not work in Israel. There are two components: housing allowance and living allowance. Well, plus a 50% discount on electricity, 50% on municipal taxes, 50% on public transport and 90% on medicines. In short, if a person is not seriously ill, then it is quite possible to live, although quite modestly.
                  1. Ingvar 72 25 December 2019 22: 03 New
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                    50% - significant discounts. Is this a plus for retirement and old age benefits?
                    1. Aaron Zawi 25 December 2019 23: 16 New
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                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      50% - significant discounts. Is this a plus for retirement and old age benefits?

                      Yes of course. But otherwise, it would be hard for pensioners, especially those living on old-age benefits. And so do not boo.
                      1. Ingvar 72 25 December 2019 23: 29 New
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                        And so do not boo.

                        But they do not live in poverty by our standards.
                  2. However, dear 26 December 2019 07: 27 New
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                    And my parents do not receive anything from Belarus, although they both worked in the USSR for 28 years.
          2. Zampolit-m 25 December 2019 16: 33 New
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            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            My dad had a 52 year experience. From 43 to 95 year. He began working at an aircraft factory in Saratov at the age of 13 as a driller. Mom has an experience of 52 to 95 years. Since 59, both have worked at a metallurgical plant. Not earned?

            Aron earned !!! If so, take off my hat ... hi
        2. Hunter 2 25 December 2019 15: 52 New
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          Sylvester, but you're a smart person hi ! Do not you understand the difference between the concept of Russian and Russian? Nationality and Citizenship are two completely different things. I wrote about 40 million Russians.
          1. New Year day 25 December 2019 16: 11 New
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            Quote: Hunter 2
            Nationality and Citizenship are two completely different things.

            Thank! Very true words! That's just how the authorities think? I don’t remember verbatim, but the GDP spoke very negatively about Russians as forming a nation.
            1. Hunter 2 25 December 2019 16: 34 New
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              Quote: Silvestr
              Quote: Hunter 2
              Nationality and Citizenship are two completely different things.

              Thank! Very true words! That's just how the authorities think? I don’t remember verbatim, but the GDP spoke very negatively about Russians as forming a nation.

              Here are 15 minutes of Google, I have not found a single similar statement! Can you remind me? And better give a link ...
              1. New Year day 25 December 2019 18: 19 New
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                Here are 15 minutes of Google, I have not found a single similar statement!

                I was not accurate in the wording; the question concerned “whom Russia”
                Mr. Tersky has already confirmed
                1. ultra 25 December 2019 19: 48 New
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                  I was not accurate in the wording-

                  Is that what it's called now? wassat
                  1. New Year day 25 December 2019 20: 02 New
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                    Quote: ultra
                    Is that what it's called now?
                    and if you read it carefully? It's not meant to be? Compare the ratings of Alexander III and Putin in this matter
            2. Tersky 25 December 2019 17: 38 New
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              Quote: Silvestr
              I don’t remember verbatim, but the GDP spoke very negatively about Russians as forming a nation.

              Do not specify where and when? Maybe here:
              Moscow. October 18th. INTERFAX.RU - Russian President Vladimir Putin convincedly noted that for so many centuries of existence the Russian state has been stable, primarily because a very tolerant relationship was initially established between all the nations forming this state and representatives of various religions.
              "This is the basis of the existence of Russia. If we want Russia to be preserved and developed, strengthened, the nation-forming nation is certainly the Russian people, then it is in the interests of the Russian people to preserve this country" ... "If we push this cave nationalism forward , to muddle the representatives of other ethnic groups, we will ruin the country, in which the Russian people are not interested. And I want Russia to be preserved, including in the interests of the Russian people, "
              ? And what you “wrote” is nothing more than trolling and provocation.
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            3. Zampolit-m 25 December 2019 18: 41 New
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              Quote: Silvestr
              That's just how the authorities think? I don’t remember verbatim, but the GDP spoke very negatively about Russians as forming a nation.

              Yes, another wave of persecution against Russia and Russians begins
              And general hehe .. How many of you are there?
              My checker has become dull .. And you are more alive than all the living!
              That's always with us .. We are for Russia, and then without you we will live in it hehe
          2. tihonmarine 25 December 2019 16: 21 New
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            Quote: Hunter 2
            Nationality and Citizenship are two completely different things.

            I agree.
            1. Zampolit-m 25 December 2019 18: 43 New
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              Quote: tihonmarine
              Quote: Hunter 2
              Nationality and Citizenship are two completely different things.

              I agree.

              Late we realized this, God forbid, with minimal loss this time in our Russian history! hi
          3. Ingvar 72 25 December 2019 21: 19 New
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            Quote: Hunter 2
            Nationality and Citizenship are two completely different things.

            Exactly! Therefore, migration legislation must be formed according to the type of countries in the Middle East - Welcome, but only without citizenship.
            In general, according to the article, the author is recognized in the first third. The topic is good, but not fully disclosed - emigration from Russia is not taken into account. In 2019, 256 thousand people emigrated from Russia, and these are mainly ethnic Russians, the bulk of them are up to 50 years old, and with higher education. They are replaced mainly by visitors from Central Asia, with qualifications corresponding to the region. And no reason for the influx of migrants has absolutely no logic - we have a lot of our unemployed. If UK Housing and Utilities, construction companies will pay honest, white salaries, and comply with labor laws - the wipers will go and work. And now mostly migrants, they will never tell their superiors about the Labor Code, about vacations, about someone else's norm.
            I completely agree with the methods of stimulating the birth rate described by you above. hi
            1. your1970 29 December 2019 15: 17 New
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              If UK Housing and Utilities, construction companies will pay honest, white salaries, and comply with labor laws - the wipers will go and work. And now mostly migrants, they will never tell their superiors about the Labor Code, about vacations, about someone else's norm.
              - I remind you - that in the USSR they paid an honest salary and issued according to the Labor Code, but the trawl wipers in Moscow were still not enough
              Just before the guest workers were called "limit"..... although it was traveling exactly the same Central Asia to Moscow ....
              Remember this ????
              it was invented not yesterday - guest workers as a class in Moscow are at least 70 years old
          4. nickname7 29 December 2019 19: 06 New
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            Russian and Russian? Nationality and Citizenship are two completely different things.

            Controversial stuff. Somehow, interns were given to our brigade, they were on my side for a while and I formed a certain opinion, and then someone turned and it turned out that he had a Mongolian type of person, he is Korean, but he speaks Russian purely and Russian in behavior.
            Russified with non-European faces who have forgotten their culture, who are they? In Russia it is customary to call such Russians.
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      2. Roman070280 26 December 2019 09: 29 New
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        the demographic abyss and have to "plug" the issuance of passports to everyone
        But still, it’s not possible to shut up properly, no matter how fussing ..
    2. strannik1985 25 December 2019 16: 31 New
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      The picture is outdated, now in China the salary is higher than in Russia.
      1. Lexus 25 December 2019 16: 54 New
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        They are not here for Russian s / p rod, but for land and resources.
        1. strannik1985 25 December 2019 18: 30 New
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          You do not need to climb for this, just buy.
    3. at84432384 25 December 2019 17: 09 New
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      If everyone, and then the priority is not citizens of Russian nationality, for some reason ...
  2. WIKI 25 December 2019 16: 36 New
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    What do you think: how many of them returned to Russia

    A simple calculation, without identifying the reasons will not solve the issue. It is time for the authorities to reflect on the question of how to keep those who have already been trained in the country. "The Russian education system allows us to develop critical thinking, which is important for mastering the professions of the future, and instills high mathematical literacy. However, the country itself, educating such valuable personnel, cannot offer them anything." It turns out they gave a fishing rod, which can be abandoned only in a stream. So our excellent students and medalists are floundering aground. Therefore, young people and goes abroad?
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    2. Santa Fe 31 December 2019 06: 19 New
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      Russian education system allows developing critical thinking

      Are these people who charged the cans from the TV with Chumak and then allotted all their savings to MMM?

      laughing
  3. Krasnoyarsk 25 December 2019 19: 15 New
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    Quote: Silvestr

    What do you think: how many of them returned to Russia in 20 years of a new life? The distribution of Russian passports abroad does not mean anything. Israel pays Russian pensions, so Israel has become closer to us?

    This is not such a simple question as you think.
    1. Registration. If a person came from Ukraine, they will not register him anywhere without registration.
    Relatives can not register - not enough lived. area.
    Poor people go to Russia from Ukraine. The rich and in Ukraine live well.
    2. And upon arrival, they begin to tear three skins from them and the police and the FMS.
    The medical board (necessary business) is paid.
    Exam in language, history of Russia. (Russian by blood, father and mother are Russians, studied at a Russian-language school, passed the exam, along with Uzbeks and other Kyrgyz) paid.
    Documents, despite the fact that the passport is in two languages, Russian and Ukrainian, you need a translation (because the seal is Ukrainian !!!) certified by a notary. Pay the translator, pay the notary.
    3. Buy a patent for a job.
    4. Monthly come for re-registration. If you are late for the day - expulsion. You can return to Russia the next day, but register on a new one.
    In order to obtain a RVP, you must again collect the package of documents, as with the initial registration. With the same financial expenses. In total, approximately 15000.
    To get into the program of voluntary resettlement, it is necessary to collect the same package of documents again as during the initial registration and upon receipt of the PRT.
    And we are told about computerization and digitalization.
    5. The hardest thing is housing !!! Housing problems are migrant problems, and a poor (I mean financial situation) migrant cannot solve this problem.
    Now you understand why so few Russians returned to Russia?
    In Germany and Israel, they help migrants financially, while in Russia they migrate milk as soon as they can.
    In Germany, a migrant is immediately provided with temporary housing, they are looking for a job in their specialty in different cities and are given the right to choose a city. And already where he chose, they provide, yes, cheap, social, but housing!
  • prior 25 December 2019 15: 43 New
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    Speak up .... Yes, we don’t have any questions to discuss everywhere ears of mediocre, thoughtless, parasitic authorities stick out. The question of power is a priority, all the rest are derivatives of it.
  • AU Ivanov. 25 December 2019 16: 01 New
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    The Europeans, alas, did not succeed in raising the birth rate with high salaries and a developed social sphere. How their states did not puff up. Do you think it will be different? It is unlikely.
    1. Slavs 25 December 2019 18: 10 New
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      Quote: AU Ivanov.
      The Europeans did not succeed in raising the birth rate with high salaries and a developed social sphere.

      Well, if you advertise non-traditional orientation on every corner, then nothing will help ... Only test tubes.
      1. lucul 25 December 2019 19: 43 New
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        Well, if you advertise non-traditional orientation on every corner, then nothing will help ... Only test tubes

        This is all a consequence ...
        The reason is the extreme egoism of women encouraged by the media. Well, you remember - "I'm a man, not a sow to give birth" ....
      2. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 26 December 2019 05: 44 New
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        Well, if you advertise non-traditional orientation on every corner, then nothing will help ...

        And in the UAE, too, is there advertising on every corner? https://www.google.com/search?q=birthday+ooe
        And in Qatar? https://www.google.com/search?q= fertility+catar
        1. Slavs 26 December 2019 11: 40 New
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          And why did you give me this information if it was about Europe?
          On the same resource, look at the ratio of fertility to mortality.
          https://countrymeters.info/ru/Russian_Federation
        2. Nikolai Grek 27 December 2019 03: 49 New
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          Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
          Quote: Slavs
          Well, if you advertise non-traditional orientation on every corner, then nothing will help ...

          And in the UAE, too, is there advertising on every corner? https://www.google.com/search?q=birthday+ooe
          And in Qatar? https://www.google.com/search?q= fertility+catar

          You are an expert in demography))) !!!
    2. Ingvar 72 25 December 2019 21: 40 New
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      Do you think it will be different?

      Those. and you should not try? belay We didn’t live well, there’s nothing to start, right? good
      1. Golovan Jack 25 December 2019 21: 41 New
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        We didn’t live well, there’s nothing to start, right?

        Distort. You were not told about that.

        By the way, they said absolutely correct things to you: the higher the standard of living, the more temptations. Than them, temptations, more - the below birth rate.

        This is the alphabet, Ingvar.
        1. Ingvar 72 25 December 2019 22: 01 New
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          the more temptations. Than them, temptations, more - the lower the birth rate.

          Both you and A. Ivanov are tempted by temptations, but now there is mass propaganda of the life of an emancipated egoist. That is the main problem.
          1. Golovan Jack 25 December 2019 22: 04 New
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            Now there is a massive propaganda of the life of an emancipated egoist

            This is a consequence. The reason is that procreation has ceased to be a necessity. You can survive and live (and not bad) without this ... continuation.

            Try to think before you write something. You consider yourself very smart ... for some reason laughing
            1. Ingvar 72 25 December 2019 22: 13 New
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              The reason is that procreation has ceased to be a necessity.

              The conclusion is, to put it mildly, strange. Then when was procreation necessary?
              1. Golovan Jack 25 December 2019 22: 14 New
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                Quote: Ingvar 72
                when was procreation necessary?

                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Try to think before you write something.

                Head, "Ingvar", not the head, but the head precisely ...
              2. Ruslan67 26 December 2019 03: 25 New
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                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Then when was procreation necessary?

                One hundred years ago there are no children there is no one to chop wood and bring water. Now 100 rub. An injection of 200 and a social worker will bring food from the store for a week according to the list with a check. This is for the poor. request
                1. Ingvar 72 26 December 2019 08: 00 New
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                  There is no one to chop wood and bring water

                  I recalled a Jewish joke - "But I don’t feel like drinking ...." laughing
                  But seriously, Ruslan, then the continuation of the genus is embedded in the human psyche, and now it is actively “moderated” with the help of the mass media. It starts from childhood, with cartoons. Remember what the old Soviet cartoons taught? Compare the theses embedded in the essence of cartoons. Further more. That is why our children dream of becoming not pilots and astronauts, but oligarchs and singers. hi
                  1. savage1976 29 December 2019 04: 26 New
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                    It is funny that it was precisely on these old Soviet cartoons, in that communist ideology, that our modern powers that grown up are so accused of mediocrity and corruption and lack of patriotism.
                  2. Ingvar 72 29 December 2019 09: 37 New
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                    our modern powers that have grown

                    Cartoons are not a panacea for education, if a person is rotten by nature, you can’t fix him with cartoons. But en masse Vysotsky’s thesis "So you read the necessary books in childhood" works. hi
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                    That is, as it turned out, at least half of the country, even brought up on socialist, communist values ​​instilled in the USSR, remained a rotten entity?
                  4. Ingvar 72 30 December 2019 07: 57 New
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                    And the powers that be among us are half?
                  5. savage1976 30 December 2019 09: 32 New
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                    And in your opinion it’s only they who make hawthorn out of methyl, make drunken driving for more than 30 thousand murders on the roads, interfere with the passage of ambulances, spoil dogs walking on porches in playgrounds, etc. Well, yes, it’s all Vova’s personally , I forgot.
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              As an example -
    3. Victor N 26 December 2019 11: 02 New
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      The reason is the degradation of public morality.
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    For once, I support the foregoing !!
  • AU Ivanov. 25 December 2019 21: 57 New
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    The family should have a need for children. And not a calculation for material buns. "Son, we gave birth to you because we were paid a million"? But in some families it will be so. And the rest will appreciate their egoism much more.
    1. Golovan Jack 25 December 2019 22: 05 New
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      Quote: AU Ivanov.
      The family should have a need for children

      In-in ... exactly yes

      Throw it, it does not reach. And, the campaign - will not reach.

      Not in the horse (s).
  • Alexander Suvorov 25 December 2019 16: 53 New
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    Hunter 2 (Alexey)
    The issue of fertility is a priority issue!
    I agree! That's just not priority for our officials, judging by their statements.
    It is solved quite simply ... Paying Normal Children's Benefits + Stimulating supplements for improving housing conditions and other social programs - communal!
    And here I do not agree.
    First, mother capital may have some kind of effect, but basically this effect extends to gypsies and the poor, often to dysfunctional families.
    Secondly, the issue of nutrition. My wife and I are a normal married couple, we can’t have children, even a few IVF (7-8 times, I’ve already lost count) does not help. Doctors sin on products with GMOs, although not 100 percent.
    Thirdly, the level of medicine. About all the horrors and most importantly the cost of a “free” IVF is long and tedious to write. How much you need to give an official on his paw so that you are put in line for free IVF I will not say anything. BUT, the procedure itself after a bribe may be free, but only everyone is silent about how much the tests and other side procedures cost. As a result, one “free” IVF cost me 100-150 thousand wooden. Multiply by 7-8 treatments. Total under lyam, if not more.
    Fourth and MAIN, there is no confidence in the future from the word at all! Yesterday I had work, and today go for a walk Vasya, suck on his paw. Yes, I found a job for myself, but WHERE ?! 150 kilometers from the house. I can’t transport my family for certain reasons, I have to go home every weekend, and this is not really a family.

    P.S. Although I did not raise the demographic situation in the country, I took and adopted a daughter from the baby’s house, another daughter from the same place was approaching.
    So much for demography on the microscopic scale of my family, and society consists of such families and more and more like us!
    1. avib 25 December 2019 17: 10 New
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      Quote: Alexander Suvorov
      Although I did not raise the demographic situation in the country, I took and adopted a daughter from the baby’s house, another daughter from the same place was approaching.

      Respect and respect!
      1. Alexander Suvorov 25 December 2019 17: 51 New
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        avib (Avi)
        Respect and respect!
        Thanks for your kind words! hi
    2. Hunter 2 25 December 2019 17: 59 New
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      Alexander Suvorov! Very worthy deed! hi
      As for the incentive payments ... I have one suggestion that the effect does not extend to antisocial elements - to link these payments to the Parents' Abstract Labor Involvement Rate! That is - more benefit from parents (experience, difficulty of work, etc.) - more incentive payments! How to implement this in reality, I think there are smart people in Our Country!
      1. Simargl 25 December 2019 19: 28 New
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        Quote: Hunter 2
        As for the incentive payments ... I have one suggestion that the effect does not extend to antisocial elements - to link these payments to the Parents' Abstract Labor Involvement Rate! That is - more benefit from parents (experience, difficulty of work, etc.) - more incentive payments!
        This will not work!
        In the history of Russia there was a period when families with 3-5 children reached 5-82 (yes, that was). This is when land was allocated according to the number of working hands.
        What conclusion? As soon as people are interested in raising children, things will get better. Now is a tribute to dying traditions. Traditions will die - there will be only migrants.
        The second conclusion: those who make decisions - lil did not know, and / or they do not care ...
    3. Kronos 25 December 2019 18: 07 New
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      Low birth rates in most developed countries, so no need to worry is a normal process of civilization development
    4. Simargl 25 December 2019 19: 16 New
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      Quote: Alexander Suvorov
      How much you need to give an official on his paw so that you are put in line for free IVF I will not say anything.
      With us - no need to give.
      But the prices for some analyzes differ by 2-3 times in comparison with other regions.
      Even without bribes, “free” IVF costs 100-120 tyr.

      Quote: Alexander Suvorov
      Doctors sin on products with GMOs
      GMOs are horror stories from the unenlightened.
      An average statistical person eats such a “broth” of genes that any geneticist will envy ... but he will not cackle, he doesn’t spike, he doesn’t grunt (though many people adopt the behavior), the fins do not grow back ...
      The main problem of GMOs is that plants do not reproduce, because are hybrids, i.e. those who grow them are forced to sit on the “needle” of the producer of GMO seeds ... and now situevina: the production of GMO seed material is prohibited, but growing GMO plants is not. Despite the fact that the seed is expensive, it is more profitable to grow hybrids at the output of GMOs. And now, attention, the question is: what will happen if the seeds are not sold to us when the GMO hybrids are sown in critical areas?
    5. New Year day 25 December 2019 20: 00 New
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      Quote: Alexander Suvorov
      but he took and adopted a daughter from the baby’s house, another daughter was coming from the same place.

      Listen, but you are a real Hero and Man! hi
    6. Ingvar 72 25 December 2019 21: 44 New
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      Quote: Alexander Suvorov
      and society consists of such families and more and more like us!

      I am the only one of all my friends who has more than 2 children. request
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        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        and society consists of such families and more and more like us!

        I am the only one of all my friends who has more than 2 children. request

        Recalled from Griboedov:

        Molchalin, for example ... there is only a little intelligence in him,
        But to have children - who lacked intelligence?
        1. Ingvar 72 25 December 2019 22: 10 New
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          Are you childless, once so smart? wink
          Flood and stupid Kitty - to conceive children really do not need a lot of brains, but it needs to be raised to raise it. Moreover, in our "caring" state.
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            My friend, have you, at your own expense, accepted the words of the classic?

            It's you for nothing ... I think if he knew you, there would be very different words
    7. herev15 25 December 2019 22: 41 New
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      Although I did not raise the demographic situation in the country, I took and adopted a daughter from the baby’s house, another daughter from the same place was approaching.

      You are a good person, I wish you good luck, do not despair and continue to do IVF
  • victor50 25 December 2019 16: 58 New
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    Quote: Hunter 2
    Given - that the Russians, the State-forming Nation, it is necessary to legally resolve the issue of Priority and simplification of obtaining Russian Citizenship - Migrants of Russian nationality.

    Life in the country should be attractive so that people strive to return to it, to come. So far the opposite is true - many aspire, dream out.
  • Uran53 25 December 2019 19: 27 New
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    The benefits are certainly good, but can it be better to provide normal work with a good, formal salary?
    1. Victor N 26 December 2019 11: 16 New
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      How do you imagine that?
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    Quote: Hunter 2
    It is solved quite simply ...

    yes yes socialist methods .. After all, Russians, as before for the whole world, bandits and communists
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    while it's only blah = blah
  • revnagan 26 December 2019 10: 22 New
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    Quote: Hunter 2
    The issue of fertility is a priority issue! It is solved quite simply ... Paying Normal Children's Benefits + Stimulating supplements for improving housing conditions and other social programs - communal! It is within the power of the State.

    Only the state needs to pay all this here and now, and the return will be in 20 years. And working hands (cheap!) Are also needed here and now! Therefore, it is easier to lure migrant workers here and now with these funds.
  • your1970 29 December 2019 15: 12 New
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    Quote: Hunter 2
    The issue of fertility is a priority issue! It is solved quite simply ... Paying Normal Children's Benefits + Stimulating supplements for improving housing conditions and other social programs - communal! It is within the power of the State.

    the experience of our country in the 20th century says that the population multiplied at an accelerated pace - only when the population was bad, really bad. This is from the 20s to the 50s ...
    But when the population felt good (in the 70s !!! when there was food, decent salaries, stability, prospects, and housing) - the state had to levy a tax on childlessness, because the population was sharply limited to 1-2 child ....
    Moreover, all world practice shows that in a quiet wealthy state, the population is extremely reluctant to breed. All of Europe is from 1,5 to 2,1 children.
    The formula "You need to live for yourself / go on vacation to Turkey / buy an iPhone / buy a new car" - works everywhere in the world ..

    Africa, the Middle East and Southeast Asia propagate - notice there NOT give large allowances for children, benefits, payments ... there are very often parents and children who have nothing to eat, but they still breed ....

    I don’t know what to do to increase the birth rate (well, not to unleash the Civil !!!) - but it’s for sure that the monetary options for increasing do not work. In Switzerland, there are 2 children according to statistics

  • nickname7 29 December 2019 18: 46 New
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    Fertility can be increased by supporting the village. Although it may be in the Russian Federation, there are not so many villagers, but they exist and they have a high birth rate, almost like in the old days. Here is one family from the village who has a blog, they get that the grandfather has 6 children, who also have 5-6 children, grandfather has 34 grandchildren. So you need to maintain the village. Open small production facilities in the village, help with feed and sale of products, provide loans. And build them asphalt roads.
  • smart ass 25 December 2019 19: 06 New
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    I agree, the article as always nothing
  • Svarog 25 December 2019 15: 14 New
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    In the meantime, as you know, we make decisions randomly, without thinking. Sometimes it seems that even the world experience in this matter is studied by us at the level of newspaper headlines, not deeper. Therefore, I am against any mass immigration, except for the repatriation programs of our compatriots.

    I agree.

    when the wage gap between top management and a hired qualified employee is not more than 300%, we can say that payrolls are really close to optimal. And if for some this figure seems unreliable, then here you can cite the example of the Scandinavian countries or the late USSR, where the worker received an average of 300 rubles, and the director of the plant somewhere around 800-900 rubles. And nothing, especially not complaining.

    And here I agree.
    Russia should not accept non-Russians. The country's leadership should motivate citizens to increase fertility.
    The reason is simple: in developed countries, the population does not want to give birth to children in an amount sufficient at least for reproduction

    We are not a developed country .. But our women want to give birth, I am convinced of this, based on the opinion of women, in my own environment.
    Now to the question - "Why do not give birth," the answer is always - "Why produce poverty"
    Our state has been eliminated from all spheres of life, with the exception of requisitions .. To collect taxes, raise fines, tighten the screws .. the state is here, as it is here .. But creating conditions for a full life does not work ..
    1. Rostislav Bely 25 December 2019 15: 22 New
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      Russia should not accept non-Russians.

      Due to the territories in which they live outside the borders of the Russian Federation (RSFSR, how the borders of 1919-1926 were cut)
      1. GKS 2111 25 December 2019 15: 29 New
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        Quote: Rostislav White
        Must

        Russia owes nothing to anyone.
        In general, if you call a spade a spade, I am against any mass migration of foreign citizens to Russia, with the exception of the repatriation of compatriots and their descendants.
        Regarding "who will work, the Russians don’t want to, I have to accept migrants from Asia."
        Everything is very simple here: working hands are needed - compete for them! Raise your salary, improve your social package, create optimal working conditions.
        1. Rostislav Bely 25 December 2019 15: 32 New
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          The Russian world is not Vlasov and the like - but the people are the winner, therefore, with the territories
        2. Xnumx vis 25 December 2019 15: 43 New
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          Quote: GKS 2111
          I am against any mass migration of foreign citizens to Russia, with the exception of the repatriation of compatriots and their descendants.

          And if, for example, I was born in Georgia, the GRSSR, my father served there, and my friend was born in Algeria, my parents worked there ... Do we live now in Ukraine and Latvia? And parents were born not in the Russian Federation, but in the Moldavian SSR and the Kazakh SSR?
          1. Edik 25 December 2019 16: 21 New
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            Quote: 30 vis
            And if for example I was born in Georgia -GSSR

            All who were born in the USSR, all Russians hi
            1. Ingvar 72 25 December 2019 21: 49 New
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              Quote: Edik
              All who were born in the USSR, all Russians

              But for some reason they separated their kuryshem ....
    2. evgen1221 25 December 2019 15: 25 New
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      If nothing has been working out for so many years, this is an occasion to think, so it was thought of and all this is artificially supported not a single step forward.
      1. Svarog 25 December 2019 15: 25 New
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        Quote: evgen1221
        If nothing has been working out for so many years, this is an occasion to think, so it was thought of and all this is artificially supported not a single step forward.

        I also think so.
    3. AU Ivanov. 25 December 2019 16: 41 New
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      My children, well-to-do people: housing, their own business, decent income, to the question "Why do not give birth?" answer: "We want to live for ourselves"
      1. Krasnodar 25 December 2019 18: 57 New
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        Of the 4 children of three, I made at the age of 40 (now I am 43). I understand them - get tired of hanging out and traveling - will give you grandchildren hi
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  • 7,62h54 25 December 2019 15: 23 New
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    Everything will be sad with the birth rate, while the officials in all discussions about the population in terms of counting the number of livestock. Children need to be conceived and give birth not with the thought that everything is bad with working hands and let the wife give birth to welders and mechanics. Children should be born to the joy of parents. And the state, officials should take care of the proper level of medicine, kindergartens, schools and universities. And do not drive everyone into vocational schools, but give a choice. And the choice should be free. Plus make housing affordable. And now what happens. Two strips on the test appeared and rushed. To endure a problem, to give birth is scary, you cannot give a child to a kindergarten before 3 years old, only to a paid one. And if twins? Ultrasound can’t be done quickly for free, a monthly appointment with a neurologist, free procedures like electrophoresis or massage with teeth must be pulled out. So it turns out that young girls and guys have a delayed life. We would stand on our own feet.
    1. AU Ivanov. 25 December 2019 15: 31 New
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      With fertility, we will have exactly the same as in Western Europe. There, despite all the social buns and the level of medicine, they are not going to breed. It is naive to think that raising the level of social programs, the birth rate will increase. It will not grow - the mentality of a person has changed.
      1. 7,62h54 25 December 2019 15: 35 New
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        Do you have any kids?
        1. AU Ivanov. 25 December 2019 15: 50 New
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          There is. Three: two guys and a girl. There could have been four, but, alas, not fate. Two were born in the dashing nineties.
          1. 7,62h54 25 December 2019 15: 56 New
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            In the 90s there wasn’t such as it is now. Health to you and the children.
            1. AU Ivanov. 25 December 2019 15: 58 New
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              In the nineties, everything was MUCH worse. An order of magnitude, at least. In the early nineties, banal baby food had to be purchased, not procured.
      2. Svarog 25 December 2019 15: 40 New
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        It is naive to think that raising the level of social programs, the birth rate will increase. It will not grow - the mentality of a person has changed.

        You think naively. Why did the population only increase before the collapse of the USSR? Because it was socially protected. I had confidence in the future .. Everything is much simpler than they are trying to imagine.
        1. AU Ivanov. 25 December 2019 15: 54 New
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          In the Russian Empire, the birth rate was much higher than in the USSR. And this is with the imperfection of medicine and the absence of a social sphere. It's not about them. Emancipation, urbanization, secularization - these are the causes of the falling birth rate. Children are no longer a priority for humans.
          1. Svarog 25 December 2019 15: 59 New
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            In the Russian Empire, the birth rate was much higher than in the USSR.

            I’m not talking about fertility but about:
            before the collapse of the USSR did the population only increase?

            In the Republic of Ingushetia, the mortality rate was corresponding, but in the USSR growing up!
            Emancipation, urbanization, secularization - these are the reasons for the decline in fertility

            Low salaries, expensive apartments and mortgages, expensive communal services ... in general, dear life, social insecurity of citizens, not confidence in the future - these are the causes of low birth rates.
            1. AU Ivanov. 25 December 2019 16: 13 New
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              How did it not grow? From 1905 to 1913, the population of the Republic of Ingushetia grew by as much as 18 million! According to the calculations of DI Mendeleev, the population of Russia in 2000 was to be about 600 million people. He extrapolated the current, at that time, population growth. How do you explain then the low birth rate in Western Europe? There and salaries and social services are not a couple of ours. And vice versa: some of the poorest countries in the world have a huge population growth.
              1. Svarog 25 December 2019 16: 24 New
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                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                How did it not grow? From 1905 to 1913, the population of the Republic of Ingushetia grew by as much as 18 million! According to the calculations of DI Mendeleev, the population of Russia in 2000 should

                Why are you going into the wilds ... well, after the Second World War for 10 years, the population increased by 25 ml .. I tell you that throughout the entire existence of the USSR, the population only increased! And the reason for this was social security and confidence in the future.

                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                How do you explain then the low birth rate in Western Europe?

                The mentality .. among Europeans, from a "well-fed" life, it really changed .. and we are "full" for a long time did not live ..
                1. AU Ivanov. 25 December 2019 16: 31 New
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                  It is noticed: as soon as the well-being of the people begins to grow, so, with a small lag, the birth rate begins to fall. Even in countries where religion has a great influence: Saudi Arabia, Emirates. This process also affected our country. Even in China, in which the cult of children, the birth rate last year fell to its lowest level in almost 60 years, despite the softening of the country's policy regarding families with two children.
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                    Quote: AU Ivanov.
                    It is noticed: as soon as the well-being of the people begins to grow, so, with a small lag, the birth rate begins to fall.

                    How do you read this graph according to your theory, especially the beginning of the 1991 curve?
                  2. Krasnodar 25 December 2019 18: 59 New
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                    Quote: AU Ivanov.
                    It is noticed: as soon as the well-being of the people begins to grow, so, with a small lag, the birth rate begins to fall. Even in countries where religion has a great influence: Saudi Arabia, Emirates. This process also affected our country. Even in China, in which the cult of children, the birth rate last year fell to its lowest level in almost 60 years, despite the softening of the country's policy regarding families with two children.

                    In Israel and the States a different picture. Much depends on the mentality of the population.
                  3. 7,62h54 25 December 2019 22: 55 New
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                    Apparently therefore, in the Russian Federation the population is driven into poverty in order to increase the birth rate of a slave. strength? You please sometimes emerge from the TV, there they say fiction.
                    1. AU Ivanov. 25 December 2019 23: 16 New
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                      Where did you see poverty? I do not see either hungry or barefoot, as in the 90s. But I see new roads and drive along them. I see young people without the bottle of beer that is indispensable, as it once was, new playgrounds and sports grounds in the yards, high-quality urban transport. Here with parking lots it became a bit shabby.
              2. nikvic46 25 December 2019 17: 09 New
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                Andrew. No need to invent. Refer to the directories.
            2. Nastia makarova 25 December 2019 16: 19 New
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              Ivanov says everything correctly !!! it is not a matter of well-being in the new world. the one in the head
              1. Rust 25 December 2019 16: 52 New
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                My wife and I, at one time, did not go after the second precisely because of the lack of stability. Khrushchev odnushka, sn is not high, and there were no prospects. Now of course we are sorry, but alas.
                1. Nastia makarova 26 December 2019 08: 04 New
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                  Well-being is also very important !!! who said that it is not necessary? but young people now have different views, all for themselves at first. selfish world
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            Emancipation, urbanization, secularization

            Man still remains a biological species and the birth rate is associated with such things as mortality and life expectancy. High birth rates are compensated for by high child mortality, low life expectancy, demographic losses after cataclysms and wars (post-war baby booms) .This is at the genetic level inherent in man. his behavior in this regard often does not keep up with the synchronized response to social changes. In the same Africa (Asia), the standard of living, infant mortality, etc. over the past decades have radically improved, but a radical decrease in the birth rate "does not keep pace" after this. It happens with a temporary lag in about one generation.
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              Quote: Liam
              High birth rates compensate for high child mortality

              Why do you think so? Look at the southern republics of the Russian Federation. There, the number of children in a family is determined by other rules. And in the USSR, families brought up children only because they saw before them the prospect of a normal life, not only for themselves, but also for their children. If this is not observed, if a cult of violence is being instilled in society starting from pre-school and school institutions, if the prospect of education and employment borders on slave living ...
              Quote: Liam
              In the same Africa (Asia), the standard of living, infant mortality

              There are still a lot of customs that exist from early marriage to polygamous families ... They are not a decree for us, all of our clothes need only underpants and a T-shirt, and not everywhere ...
          3. tihonmarine 25 December 2019 16: 27 New
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            Children are no longer a priority for humans.

            Here you are right for all 100.
          4. nikvic46 25 December 2019 17: 07 New
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            Andrew. In the Russian Empire, the population was 178 3 ... thousand people. In the USSR, -210 ... thousand people.
            1. AU Ivanov. 25 December 2019 17: 15 New
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              In 1858, the population of the Republic of Ingushetia amounted to only 74 million. In less than 60 years, the population grew by more than 100 million. This is a huge increase, even if you subtract the population of the territories attached to the Republic of Ingushetia from this figure.
              1. nikvic46 25 December 2019 17: 27 New
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                Andrew. The Russian Empire was no less than the USSR.
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                You, like our Dear Leader, constantly turn to tsarist times, absolutely ignoring the achievements of the USSR. How do you both have so much hatred for the more recent past? But nothing good for the people in 20 years has happened.
                1. AU Ivanov. 25 December 2019 23: 08 New
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                  I would not say that. Especially in the last twenty years. My city twenty years ago and now is two big differences. Like my village, in which childhood and youth passed.
        2. victor50 25 December 2019 17: 07 New
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          Why did the population only increase before the collapse of the USSR?

          I doubt that this applies to Slavic nationalities, as well as the Baltic states. The issue of insufficient birth rates in the RSFSR was raised as far back as the 80s.
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          You know the statistics poorly. The fall in fertility in the USSR began long before the 90s. Why? If everything was so wonderful.
  • Undecim 25 December 2019 15: 25 New
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    To begin with, I will nevertheless make a reservation: before starting any large-scale migration program, we should somehow achieve a turning point in the fight against crime.
    To begin with, before embarking on a large-scale migration program, it is necessary to ensure the attractiveness of the country not only for candidates for janitors or handymen on construction sites. And if a country attracts only immigrants from the post-Soviet republics, and mainly Central Asian ones, then no large-scale programs and ministries of migration like the Canadian ones will change anything.
    1. 7,62h54 25 December 2019 16: 02 New
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      First, we must eradicate, overcome local crime and replace it with imported, Asian crime.
    2. Ross xnumx 25 December 2019 16: 31 New
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      Quote: Undecim
      we should somehow achieve a turning point in the fight against crime.

      Rename the police to the police? Excuse me, people with a cold head, a warm heart and clean hands should fight crime, not colonels and generals whose villas are under extra-departmental protection or generally abroad, and amazing amounts are stored in their apartments ...
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        we should somehow achieve a turning point in the fight against crime.

        He quoted the author, intentionally changing the font. wink
  • Ross xnumx 25 December 2019 16: 27 New
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    Of course, we can and will have to return to the interests of business. But a little later.

    If we return to the interests of business, then soon the population of Russia will be 100 people, because with such wages people will only think about how to survive.
    We need to think about a man of labor, which is why all the years of the development of the USSR, the birth rate in the country has grown. Precisely because the children were treated for free, and not by SMS.
    Business is such a vile, foreign word, akin to speculation. Industrial production, industrialists, agriculture, agricultural work ...
    There is experience in putting things in order. There is experience in combating crime, and if the state cannot fight it, if it turns into a prison a country where residents are forced to think about the law on weapons, lock themselves on iron doors and hide behind bars, looking out over them like pets zoos, then why the hell is such a state, who needs such freedom?
    And in zoos, even animals do not breed ...
    1. Varyag71 27 December 2019 10: 45 New
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      Yuri, unfortunately, a lot of factors indicate that we are actually already less than 100 million. Perhaps even less than 80 million.
  • Zampolit-m 25 December 2019 16: 45 New
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    I already wrote that the peak of birth rate in the USSR was after the war in the 50s and in the "stagnant" Brezhnev era 60-70 e .. Why? Think for yourself men ..
    While there is no confidence in the future, Normal families will not give birth to children .. They are afraid that they will suffer! What is being done now is not enough to raise the birth rate .. It can certainly be easier to decide whether to accept the Chinese Arabs along with the starving Africa .... But this will be the end of Russia!
    Here is such a “squiggle”, as Judah used to say EBN and the humpback with his “process has begun”. negative When we get out in Russia no one knows ..
  • Pustogolov 25 December 2019 16: 54 New
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    "Also the most important issue is the banal cleaning up of our streets. Drug dealers should receive the highest standard, various" criminal authorities "need a fourteen-hour working day from the state employer, other bandits and criminals should also be horrified to think that they might be interested MIA. And only then can migration, especially thought out, become a blessing for our country. "
    I think this is for any country of the CIS-UTOPIA!
  • nikvic46 25 December 2019 17: 25 New
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    Can we manage demographics? Can we control the weather? Statistics reign all over the world. All truth and falsehood rule it. We have already seen the inaccuracies of this queen. While we are having this conversation, a group of migrants is already delighting the appetites of employers. If you look at the quality of their living, this is a complete atas. this is what we have to start with.
  • Cowbra 25 December 2019 17: 31 New
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    It so happened historically that migration is considered by many to be the only effective cure for the demographic weakness of states. The reason is simple: in developed countries, the population does not want to give birth to children in an amount sufficient even for reproduction.

    Victor ... England after WWII ... And you ... you - ctor
    And when on the streets (as well as in schools, universities) your child is not safe


    Vitya. you are in what you give - do not understand ANYTHING
  • Petrol cutter 25 December 2019 17: 57 New
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    "In the meantime, as you know, we make decisions randomly, without thinking. Sometimes it seems that even the world experience in this matter is studied by us at the level of newspaper headlines, not deeper. Therefore, I am against any mass immigration, except for the programs of repatriation of our compatriots."
    Now ladies and gentlemen, I’ll probably write a whole sheet about this.
    To begin with, at the beginning of the nineties, by the will of fate, I turned out to be a citizen of the proud and independent state of Ukraine. Actually, no one really asked me then. I was about eighteen years old somewhere. Mother came home and said that in our Soviet passports it is necessary to stamp the plug and the inscription Ukraine. Otherwise, we are outlawed. Well, it’s necessary, so it is necessary ...
    Next, I will skip all the vicissitudes of my life.
    To be brief, I spent almost all my life in Russia. And the Ukrainian passport has always categorically prevented me from successfully and fruitfully working.
    I made two attempts to change citizenship. The first time working and moving the family to the Murmansk region. I already had no thoughts of returning to the Ukrainian Crimea. But I had to return. Since once again the Russian Federation quarreled with UA, the director of the plant died (he was from Nikolaev himself. And he covered our brother and understood him like no other). He sent the family back, he himself lived illegally for another year. Worked at a construction site.
    My wife and I tried for the second time to leave under the resettlement program of compatriots.
    If you miss all the details (I don’t have enough strength to print all this), it’s really troublesome and expensive to obtain Russian citizenship for an ordinary person!
    It is necessary to have a lot of free money, time and go through seven circles of hell.
    Therefore, I personally have already resigned myself to the prospect of dying as a Ukrainian.
    Suddenly, suddenly won the lottery! And Crimea became part of the Russian Federation!
    When I received the Russian passport in my hands, I was ready to kiss him.
    Here is such a "squiggle." hi
    1. WILL 25 December 2019 19: 35 New
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      R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№ hi Just Great Comment good Best on the branch! Good luck to you and your loved ones!
      1. Petrol cutter 25 December 2019 19: 47 New
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        Thank you so much. I periodically complain here and a tambourine on the site. Well, how without it? The general public should have an idea of ​​the real situation. But I will not exchange the Russian passport for any other. As pathetic as it may sound.
        And if I had it so eighteen years ago! Eh ... Life would have gone completely different .... Well, that, that ...
        1. WILL 25 December 2019 19: 57 New
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          I understand your situation very well! Near the border with Kazakhstan! Many friends who, like you, went through these hellish circles with obtaining Russian citizenship, Parents of a close friend made out for eight years, got to Kazakhstan using the Komsomol set, went to pick up Tselin, from Ryazan ... and turned out to be Citizens of Another State!
          But it’s good that it ended well!
          1. Ingvar 72 25 December 2019 22: 37 New
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            Parents of a close friend - took out for eight years,

            I have a friend, originally from Tashkent, a cop, so he rose to major with an allied passport! The Russian was given only after he reached the general at the police department for an appointment.
  • Radikal 25 December 2019 18: 33 New
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    Golovan Jack Today
    So, we look:

    The phrase is about nothing, but the sketch is completed. The first one went.
    The second - go ...

    Third - go. Nothing that lies nonsense - but the phrase is sonorous yes

    Well, and a demotivator - how would one do without it?

    Golovan, look at yourself - this is your "set" of interjections without the presence of any thought. As for the bans being distributed, are you already a member of the administrators and moderators of VO, or are you still “the son of Lieutenant Schmidt,” or his “brother Vasya? Then you’ll be banned! wassat lol tongue
    1. Kronos 25 December 2019 18: 37 New
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      Yes, he is a full-time one at the site, ruble-denominated to raise the rating of Putin's decisions
    2. Svarog 25 December 2019 18: 52 New
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      Quote: Radikal
      Golovan, look at yourself - this is your "set" of interjections without the presence of any thought. As for the bans being distributed, are you already a member of the administrators and moderators of VO, or are you still “the son of Lieutenant Schmidt,” or his “brother Vasya? Then you’ll be banned!

      Tersky guards and protects him .. Tersky is just a moderator .. In general, when Golovan leaves the banks, he rakes, like any visitor to the site .. he recently played in the minus signs and then ordinary, but Golovan has a lot of support here nicknames, a lot of pseudo-marshals to help, and of course the moderator Tersky ..
      1. Nikolai Grek 27 December 2019 04: 00 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        His Tersky protects and protects ..

        and you and your team who ??? recourse
    3. Ingvar 72 25 December 2019 22: 38 New
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      Undeletable!

      And unsinkable! Like Chubais.
  • Krasnodar 25 December 2019 18: 49 New
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    Dear worker, it is beneficial for the economy if it is not oriented toward exporting slippers and shirts.

    What Makar? Increases production costs? )))
    Or the author means automation of the process, job cuts and, as a result, an increase in salaries for skilled workers?
  • samarin1969 25 December 2019 18: 55 New
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    The author correctly drew attention to the "Canadian experience." And about the increase in "competition" of employers for working hands - also true.
    In general, population growth is not an end in itself. The urban outskirts and rural outback are full of unsettled "statistical citizens." Many cannot / do not want to work, to strengthen the family. Here the field is not plowed for politicians as "fathers of the nation": to control, help, encourage, punish, isolate, reward, etc. ...
    Russia needs a people, not an obedient "electorate." And the border is locked, as in the Union. And then 128 or 280 million - it does not matter.
    1. Ingvar 72 25 December 2019 22: 43 New
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      the outskirts of the countryside and the rural outback are full of unsettled "statistical citizens"

      Yes, but they want to work. PGT Mezhdurechensk, Samara region - no more specks s \ n can not be found. Local guys cooperated, and chased down to Moscow as handymen in the subway. 2 weeks in two. 35 thousand rubles Pennies, but where to go. request
  • Radikal 25 December 2019 18: 58 New
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    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: Radikal
    Golovan, look at yourself - this is your "set" of interjections without the presence of any thought. As for the bans being distributed, are you already a member of the administrators and moderators of VO, or are you still “the son of Lieutenant Schmidt,” or his “brother Vasya? Then you’ll be banned!

    Tersky guards and protects him .. Tersky is just a moderator .. In general, when Golovan leaves the banks, he rakes, like any visitor to the site .. he recently played in the minus signs and then ordinary, but Golovan has a lot of support here nicknames, a lot of pseudo-marshals to help, and of course the moderator Tersky ..

    Well, everything is like in Russia, though in a truncated form .... lol
  • ultra 25 December 2019 19: 43 New
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    The reason why they do not want to have children, in my opinion, in 99% of cases there is only one. This is selfishness, the desire to live for pleasure and all.
    1. Petrol cutter 25 December 2019 20: 46 New
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      Well hello ... Then let me disagree for a moment. Parents (in their right mind) in theory should not only stupidly plan children, but also think! How am I going to serve and feed these very children? Is there such an opportunity? That is the question.
      By the way, in Ukraine there was such a system - the state pays a certain amount of money for the child born. Translates to the card, that is. How you will spend this money is your business. You can cash, you can, as you want. By the example of my city, I know that people stupidly endlessly gave birth and lived on this money. Not even planning to work anywhere. For that, demography is growing.
      In Russia, the situation is a little different. You have been credited with the capital, but you have no right to use it anywhere. Except as agreed. I mean, nowhere.
      Do as in Ukraine ... There are suspicions that people will consider giving birth "what the light stands on."
      1. Ingvar 72 25 December 2019 22: 44 New
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        I mean, nowhere.

        You can put it in a mortgage, but really nowhere else.
        1. Petrol cutter 27 December 2019 17: 55 New
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          For example, I would like to increase the useful living space of a house. I want to do everything and can do it myself. This would have a beneficial effect on the formation of an autonomous room for the same daughter, to earn and buy material, plus construction ... My daughter will get married already ... Use the motherboard in order to accelerate (I will keep in two with construction and turnkey finishing) - I have no right. That's who our Duma thinks? Who needs such laws ?!
  • Ryaruav 25 December 2019 21: 13 New
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    one of the most pressing problems of Russia and I personally think (I am Russophile but without fanaticism I am a moderate racist) there are no sections on the basis of nat and on the economy and the provincial system people that you don’t see that pouring money into the nat suburbs does not give an economic effect let the Russians write oppressed Chechens and let the government pay extra for this for small nationalities, as if they wouldn’t be forced to obey the big ones, is it a dialectic or is there a question of whether the Kalmyk technical language is at the level of the Soviet vocational school, so all these nonsense about preserving the identity of small nations is populism where I speak the American Indian way said
  • Tank hard 25 December 2019 21: 20 New
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    It so happened historically that migration is considered by many to be the only effective cure for demographic weaknesses of states

    There is something "obvious - incredible". Demography is a disaster, but they want to pass a law on the RLS, which (in my opinion and not only my opinion) will completely kill a family in Russia, albeit not immediately, but over time. Who is deceiving whom? Matvienko, who is one of the lobbyists of this law. like Pushkin, Rodnina, Ekaterina Shulman, journalist Alyona Popova, senator Karelova Galina, a well-known lawyer for the LGBT community - Parshin, the NGO center "Anna" and so on. Faced with real opposition, the Orthodox, Muslim and simply sane public, this same Matvienko V.I. suddenly started talking about free housing for large families, supposedly to save the demography of Russia wink laughing Who is changing shoes in the jump, and what does the country's leadership really need? And do they need to solve the problems of demography or is it another populist movement before the upcoming elections? So many years have passed, and they still decide whether to grant Russian citizenship or not. Maybe they are waiting for everyone to die out themselves, and then you can declare benefits and goodies. Why not? Anyway, everyone has already died ... repeat My grandfather died in 2001, and did not wait for the benefits that are now available for veterans of the Great Patriotic War, and real veterans have almost all died. Do Russians need Russia? Or is it easier to relocate the Chinese? repeat
  • DMB-2020 25 December 2019 21: 35 New
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    The problem is that Russians outside Russia prefer to suffer and kill in their homeland, as if from a distance, remotely. It happens that you feel sadness, you look out the window - and there is someone else's Paris, Shanghai, Manhattan, Berlin, Kiev, Tallinn, Ottawa, pour a glass of vodka, brush away a tear of longing for Russian birches and fill in nostalgia and sadness with alcohol. But when they offer Russians outside of Russia "Suitcase -> Station -> Russia", the line of those who wish is zero. Maybe the genetic memory of those who believed the Bolsheviks after the 1917 revolution? Maybe they remember those who returned to the USSR after the war? Now it’s hard to understand - the archives of the ChK-NKVD-KGB are now quietly being destroyed, and there are almost no living witnesses. Therefore, the program of repatriation of our compatriots will limp, slip and backs up with cancer. Russia will be home to new Russians from the republics of Asia, Africa, as well as China.
    1. Andrey Grad 26 December 2019 00: 52 New
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      We are the native Russian Baltic states in 6 generations, we did not leave Russia, this Russia left, pushing the borders to the east, we think we should return with our lands, in which 4 generations of our ancestors are buried. And just to go to the Russian Federation, it means to run away and betray their grandfathers, who fell to this land.
      1. DMB-2020 26 December 2019 00: 55 New
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        So you can return to your homeland and rebury your ancestors in your native, Russian land! And do not betray anyone and strengthen your historical Motherland with real indigenous Russians, roots undiluted in 6 generations! Homeland in danger, China rushing - do not stop!
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          “So you can return to your homeland and rebury your ancestors in your native, Russian land! And don’t betray anyone and strengthen your historical homeland with real native Russians, roots undiluted in 6 generations! Homeland is in danger, China can’t stop!”
          So you say these words to the Crimeans, let them dig the graves of their ancestors, dismantle the monuments and the bridge and transport them to the Russian Federation. The sanctions will be lifted immediately, loans will be issued, and your life will improve right away ...
          The Baltic states were Russian much earlier than Crimea, the history of their people must be known.
  • Black joe 25 December 2019 21: 51 New
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    People are leaving Russia.
    15 million have already left.
    Such conditions are created, what to do
    In all directions

  • Sapsan136 26 December 2019 05: 22 New
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    I agree with the author about the birth rate - It is necessary to raise the living standards of the indigenous population of Russia, and not turn the country into a passage yard for every beast breaking into the metro in Russia ... Look at the street and remember Yeltsin’s not-so-distant times when most citizens ate to eat in Russia there was nothing ... When there were more pregnant women and women with children on the streets, then or now? Now there are more pregnant women, it’s obvious and simplify the IVF procedure, it’s possible to die while people collect all the tests ... It is clear that some of the tests are necessary, but in this case hospitalize the person and carry them out in the hospital, and do not drive the person around a few months before he died in the queues ... this is a crime against motherhood, how do you feel about it today ... And finally, dismiss the Minister of Health of the Russian Federation and her deputies, they should be led only in Hitler concentration camps ... They are doctors strangled with a bunch of reports, they have no time to treat people ...
  • Brigadier 26 December 2019 06: 39 New
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    "Also the most important issue is the banal restoring order on our streets. Drug traffickers should receive capital punishment, all sorts of "criminal authorities" need a fourteen-hour forced day at the state employer, other bandits and criminals should also be horrified to think that the Ministry of Internal Affairs may be interested in them."

    Author. Fiction on other sites!
  • Fibrizio 26 December 2019 09: 46 New
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    Mentioned in the article is support for fertility. Yes. She really is.
    First, by my own example, then I will reason.
    I have a child planned for next year.
    I learned the following.
    1. Sobyaninsky box (in fact, a good set of 20-25 thousand, in short, everything is there for the child for the first time. You only need to buy furniture and any containers). Good stuff Definitely.
    2. Because I managed on the last train (young family), I will receive a total of about a hundred of money). Good? Perfectly!
    3. Mat capital. Well here perhaps. For one, they don’t seem to give it.
    4. As far as I know, food is given for the child and spouse after childbirth. I asked my friend for quite decent things, I myself will not disdain taking such things in the store (I took off the photo).

    Now let's speculate.
    All this stimulation is needed not to support families with children, but to raise the birth rate.
    What is the difference? Everything is simple. Personally, I would have a child, regardless of the very good points 1,2 and 4.
    There is no extra money, but these bonuses do not make weather.
    This is the first thesis, but it sounds like this - help should be targeted. Not necessarily based on extremely low income. If zp is less than a hundred for my husband for three (with a child), then I see no reason not to take such help. Mortgages, communal apartments, transportation, drugs and food take 3/4 of the money.

    Following. If we agree that it is not the standard of living that needs to be raised (of course, of course, but this is a different story), but the birth rate, we need to conduct a comprehensive and in-depth study of which categories of Russian citizens need to raise the birth rate.
    Here you can make complex selections. Region, age, race, religion, education, etc., etc.
    Further determine which regions and / or nationalities (citizens of the Russian Federation) need stimulation, and which would give birth anyway, and the program essentially does not lead to an increase in the birth rate, but to an improvement in their standard of living.
    For example. "After research, it turned out that the natural decline of the Nanai people, Evenki, Udmurts and other small nations just rolls over, the regions where they live in the demo pit." Therefore, it is necessary to provide targeted assistance to precisely these categories of citizens.
    And there are, for example, nationalities and national republics, where the presence of 5 children was and will be without state support, therefore their support from the state must be deprived, and the released funds should be transferred to those who are really in need and require stimulation.
    I may speak in a tabloid manner, but money should be spent where it brings results. Those who, by virtue of the mentality and characteristics of the region, in any case have many children, should be excluded from programs to increase the birth rate, since this is not a targeted waste of money. The fact that they will build a mansion of stone on their capital is fine, it will be possible to come there from earnings for the holidays, but the goal is different for the authorities.
  • Victor N 26 December 2019 11: 10 New
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    Low birth rates in most developed countries, so no need to worry is a normal process of civilization development

    The dying of civilization.
  • monster 26 December 2019 12: 11 New
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    Are you for the Russians and Russia? -Yes you are a nocyst !!! This is Russian history X.
  • WayKheThuo 26 December 2019 14: 52 New
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    The article is correct, I liked it.
    I would like to add a little specificity in two points:
    1. Business support and satisfaction for its interests at the state level. I believe that from the point of view of the state, an entrepreneur should not have any privileges in comparison with a representative of any other profession. As for me, entrepreneurship is one of the ways a person expresses himself, a way to find himself in this world, to find his calling. And in this sense, an entrepreneur is no different from a representative of any creative profession. But, ceteris paribus, the ultimate goal of entrepreneurship is to make a profit. It is difficult to imagine a teacher thinking like: “I’ll go to school, I will teach, I will earn money ...”, or a development engineer, writer, artist — thousands of such specialties that they begin to study, at least in the beginning, at the call of the heart. An entrepreneur, if wisely, begins his work with a business plan in which profit should be clearly defined. Obviously, such goal-setting “purely specifically” defines behavior - the business will do everything to maximize profits by minimizing costs in any form, starting from salaries to quality products. In this regard, any government flirting with business, sticking out entrepreneurship as “pillars of the economy” and “ours is everything” leads to the merging of the state and business into a single, usually criminal, structure, which in the future will not be good for the country.
    2. In terms of migration. I believe that migration, especially uncontrolled and culturally alien, is evil. The crowds of restless strangers who are doing the devil knows what in your Fatherland is a sign that officials cannot make difficult decisions here and now. These are not creative projects for you, implying some kind of positive “exhaust”, while each migration issue may well be about life and death, which greatly “loads” the psyche of decision-makers. Of course, migration should be controlled and targeted, but most importantly, migration should be purely selfish. That is, the main and main thing is the interests of their citizens, and not the unfortunate people fleeing wars and difficult life, no matter how hard it sounds.
  • Rakovor 27 December 2019 09: 18 New
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    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    About all the horrors and most importantly the cost of a “free” IVF is long and tedious to write. How much you need to give an official on his paw so that you are put in line for free IVF I will not say anything. BUT, the procedure itself after a bribe may be free, but only everyone is silent about how much the tests and other side procedures cost. As a result, one “free” IVF cost me 100-150 thousand wooden. Multiply by 7-8 treatments. Total under lyam, if not more.

    No need to tell stories. They themselves did IVF several times, did not give bribes to anyone, all directions are free. About 100-150 thousand is also nonsense. We have a maximum of thirty went to one IVF with travel housing, etc. So, as they say, do not throw this thing on the fan.
    PS By the way, nothing happened either, the boy was taken under guardianship.
  • Comrade Michael 27 December 2019 14: 10 New
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    There will be nothing reasonable here. So far, liberal capitalism is at our helm. But there will be a dull city, but not life. The same migrants, the same beggarly salaries .... Running around in a dead end. It’s even pointless to discuss. I have three children. I doubt their bright prospects in our state. And I'm not sure that they will give birth to three children.
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      Clear. Wash the crap further. So the state will not be cleaned if everything is swept under the rug.
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  • Sergey Skvortsov65 27 December 2019 14: 27 New
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    So law enforcement agencies, the bandits themselves, will they fight with themselves?
  • Ua3qhp 27 December 2019 19: 11 New
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    In the Russian Empire, the birth rate was much higher than in the USSR. And this is with the imperfection of medicine and the absence of a social sphere. It's not about them. Emancipation, urbanization, secularization - these are the causes of the falling birth rate. Children are no longer a priority for humans.

    Exactly. At the very daughter honey. finishes. In my thoughts I don’t even give birth. Although there is a potential groom. In general, in my old age I begin to support the thesis that a girl should only be spoiled.
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    Some unhappy faces of those holding a poster. Why?
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    I now live in the USA and have a great opportunity to observe how the “population replacement” is going on.
    This is scary. The horror of what is happening cannot be described in the commentary.
    But any form of migration to Russia is a direct threat to the very existence of our people.