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Allseas "left", the pipes remained: who can finish the "Nord Stream-2" in conditions of sanctions

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Allseas "left", the pipes remained: who can finish the "Nord Stream-2" in conditions of sanctions

Today, a spokesman for the Russian President Dmitry Peskov commented on the sanctions imposed by the American authorities against Nord Stream-2. Recall that the pipe-laying ships of the Swiss company Allseas left the Baltic Sea after the head of the company received an amazingly tactless letter from American senators. The senators rudely demanded that the head of Allseas “immediately stop the construction of the pipeline” so as not to run into the sizzling American sanctions. As a result, the contractor of the “sizzling sanctions” in the Baltic was frightened and left home without completing the construction.


According to Dmitry Peskov, Russia "will not leave unanswered American sanctions." Peskov added that an analysis is under way of how American sanctions "could affect the construction of the gas pipeline."

Sharp languages ​​on this occasion are already ironic: “We will not leave American sanctions unanswered - we will supply the United States with even more rocket engines, provide even more seats on the Soyuz to American astronauts and give an even greater discount on gas to the Kiev regime.”

In fact, not to the point of irony. Who will replace the Swiss Allseas at the final stage of construction of the SP-2? Is there any possibility of such a replacement at all?

So, at the moment, three vessels of the Swiss contractor have been withdrawn from the underwater pipeline construction area at once: Audacia, Pioneering Spirit and Solitaire. In this case, it remains to lay about 125 km of pipe.

Meanwhile, the media reported that the problem is not insoluble. Instead of the Swiss company’s ships, the Fortuna pipe layer (TUB), which was built about 9 years ago at a shipyard in Shanghai, will be involved in the business. At the moment, Fortuna is located in Germany - in the port, where pipes are unloaded for SP-2. Hong Kong is the home port for Fortuna, and it is the main pipelayer of the Mezhregiontruboprovodstroy (MRTS), which has already been involved in the work on SP-2. Maximum draft - 9 m, gross tonnage - 40 thousand tons.

But for “Fortune” there is a certain problem. It is connected with the Danish environmental safety requirements, under which the pipe-laying barge allegedly “does not fully fit”. In addition, this pipe barge is able to work about three times slower than the Swiss Pioneering Spirit - to lay no more than 1,5 km of pipe per day.

That is, the implementation of the project is delayed in time, but all this happens against the background of the signed preliminary agreement on pumping gas through Ukraine. Recall that in 2020 pumping volumes were registered at the level of 65 billion cubic meters, which is more than the design capacity of SP-2. Thus, the supply of Russian gas to Europe remains at the same level, which somewhat reduces the effect of American sanctions. For Ukraine, of course, it’s overpowering, for the USA there is a certain delay in the inevitable: the SP-2 gas pipeline will be completed in any case. For Russia, a way out of the situation in difficult conditions: it’s the same as getting a bunch of sewage in a boot, but at the same time, you can continue to move, and after that - still change your shoes ...
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  1. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 23 December 2019 19: 40
    +3
    Finish, in spite of the enemies! If Europe is not tired of being constantly bent ... then it will help.
    The US is mortally afraid of Russia's growing influence in Europe. The gas pipeline is a kind of leash, so that those who yap - yank. Good prices are lucrative contracts, and the Chinese are thoughtful ...
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      1. Astoria
        Astoria 23 December 2019 19: 51
        22
        Do not bzdi, the academician will finish building.
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          1. ultra
            ultra 23 December 2019 20: 02
            39
            "Uncle", the pipes have already been purchased, stored in Germany.
            Quote: Tomcat Tomcat
            Do not finish! even the pipes are imported! Where to get it?
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              1. ultra
                ultra 23 December 2019 20: 08
                29
                Quote: Tomcat Tomcat
                The Soviet Union could not, bought Krupov

                You should at least delve into the topic, and then you make me laugh only with your "thoughtful" pearls. laughing
                1. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 23 December 2019 21: 34
                  34
                  Quote: ultra
                  Quote: Tomcat Tomcat
                  The Soviet Union could not, bought Krupov

                  You should at least delve into the topic, and then you make me laugh only with your "thoughtful" pearls. laughing

                  When the USSR was building Druzhba, then yes, they bought pipes, but 40 years have passed since then and the production of large-diameter pipes in our country is no worse than in Germany. For the construction of JV-2, pipes are supplied by the German Evropipe GmbH (40%) and the Russian manufacturers OMK and ChTPZ (60%). So let this character of sulfuric acid drink a glass and calm down. hi
                  1. Graz
                    Graz 23 December 2019 21: 51
                    +6
                    actually, our pipes were cooking them from two bent halves of a sheet, I watched a report in the news of the week from a year ago
                    1. Nyrobsky
                      Nyrobsky 23 December 2019 22: 33
                      25
                      Quote: Graz
                      actually, our pipes were cooking them from two bent halves of a sheet, I watched a report in the news of the week from a year ago
                      The pipe story is old. In 1962, a contract was signed between the USSR and Germany for the purchase of pipes supplied by three large German firms Mannesmann, Hoesch and Phoenix-Rheinrohr. 1,2 million tons of pipes were supplied to the USSR as payment for the supplied fuel. During the construction of the Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod gas pipeline, Reagan also put this project under an embargo. Therefore, the g / wire was partially built at the expense of our capabilities. This was the response of our "Kulibins" to the American sanctions, which at that time wanted to disrupt this project. I remember somewhere a welder was shown who on the wall of the first pipe inscribed an obscene message to Reagan with an electrode. Now we have our own full cycle from sheet to pipe in one weld, but our spiteful critics prefer not to know about this and get "trump cards" that smell of mothballs, which do not correspond to reality. We have now set up the production of our turbines, so as not to depend on the whims of the USA and Europe.
                      1. Astronaut
                        Astronaut 24 December 2019 02: 19
                        +8
                        It’s lazy to google some to find out how many plants in Russia make a large diameter pipe ...
                    2. littoral
                      littoral 24 December 2019 07: 49
                      0
                      Quote: Graz
                      actually, our pipes were cooking them from two bent halves of a sheet, I watched a report in the news of the week from a year ago

                      Serious production.

                  2. Fat
                    Fat 23 December 2019 23: 22
                    +1
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    Quote: ultra
                    Quote: Tomcat Tomcat
                    The Soviet Union could not, bought Krupov

                    You should at least delve into the topic, and then you make me laugh only with your "thoughtful" pearls. laughing

                    When the USSR was building Druzhba, then yes, they bought pipes, but 40 years have passed since then and the production of large-diameter pipes in our country is no worse than in Germany. For the construction of JV-2, pipes are supplied by the German Evropipe GmbH (40%) and the Russian manufacturers OMK and ChTPZ (60%). So let this character of sulfuric acid drink a glass and calm down. hi

                    So is that good? This is not our problem! Let Thumberg think about the purpose of the pee .. ..
                  3. OLGRIN
                    OLGRIN 24 December 2019 09: 37
                    +6
                    And more to add. The Russian Federation buys pipes not because it cannot produce it itself, but because it has so agreed to divide production and loot. It was the same during the construction of the NP "Druzhba".
                  4. NF68
                    NF68 24 December 2019 16: 19
                    +3
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    So let this character of sulfuric acid drop the glass and calm down.


                    Poked it. But this is fixable: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06dNw_tsv_c
              2. ccsr
                ccsr 23 December 2019 20: 18
                -5
                Quote: Tomcat Tomcat
                And do you produce such pipes weakly? The Soviet Union could not, bought Krupov

                And why do we need to make primitive pipes if we rivet strategic missiles so that your genetic fear of Russians and your children will be indulged in for all generations.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 23 December 2019 21: 08
                  +6
                  They do not understand this, that sausages them not childishly.
                2. demo
                  demo 23 December 2019 21: 44
                  15
                  They are not at all primitive.
                  A couple of years ago I was in Moscow.
                  On the street Izhorskoy is the Moscow pipe mill.
                  They are there any pipes for trunk oil and gas pipelines in any shirts do.
                  Hundreds of thousands of tons.
                  http://mostzk.ru/proekty/utiag.aspx

                  There will be an order, if that, dash off.
                  Also cheaper than German.
                  1. Lelek
                    Lelek 23 December 2019 23: 48
                    +6
                    Quote: demo
                    There will be an order, if that, dash off.

                    hi
                    What is it about? All pipes for SP-2, TP, UP and Power of Siberia were produced in RUSSIA.
                  2. zsdk
                    zsdk 24 December 2019 09: 44
                    +2
                    An original coincidence, in the city of Kolpino, near St. Petersburg, the Izhora Pipe Plant (ITZ) operates, pipes are made for Gazprom, and they are sent by entire trains.
                    1. demo
                      demo 24 December 2019 11: 07
                      0
                      Sometimes it happens.
                  3. ccsr
                    ccsr 24 December 2019 17: 49
                    -4
                    Quote: demo
                    There will be an order, if that, dash off.

                    Naturally, only fools do not understand that it is more profitable for our country to have high-tech industries, such as aerospace, than to develop mass production of pipes that even underdeveloped countries can roll.
              3. DMB_95
                DMB_95 23 December 2019 20: 21
                11
                Quote: Tomcat Tomcat
                AND? Enough to finish? And do you produce such pipes weakly?

                We do not grow bananas, ..and? Should Russia have and produce absolutely everything ??
          2. Errr
            Errr 23 December 2019 20: 03
            25
            Russian pipes from "OMK".
            Details: https://omk.ru/business/destination/641/
            1. loki565
              loki565 23 December 2019 20: 31
              27
              Yes to whom you explain, today he registered an account, left the fan and mustache)))
              1. Dmitriy Vyazmenskiy
                Dmitriy Vyazmenskiy 24 December 2019 16: 20
                +4
                And most importantly, then in the evening over a bottle of some kind of crap it will be the same as he shows his post and be proud: "How am I these Muscovites, huh ?! And he will be happy, but what lives with the permission of his uncle, so what is it!))
              2. Yuyuka
                Yuyuka 24 December 2019 16: 50
                +3
                Yes to whom you explain, today he registered an account, left the fan and mustache)))
                ... shit rest in peace ...
          3. Terenin
            Terenin 23 December 2019 20: 55
            11
            Quote: Tomcat Tomcat
            Do not finish! even the pipes are imported! Where to get it?

            laughing Yes, already completed. Is it really not clear !? fool
            And,
            - forced the Ukrainian authorities to grunt about the need for the states to impose sanctions on Germany, which, by the way, gave the "non-cash" money the most yes . And yet, as sellers, they advantageously sucked in her goods (gas). The Germans, of course, were numb from such impudence, belay but nothing good for them.
        2. antivirus
          antivirus 23 December 2019 20: 17
          +4
          but at the same time, one way or another, you can continue to move, and after that - still change your shoes .-- AND STILL WIPE THE FOOTWEAR ABOUT A COMING LARGE
        3. alexander1
          alexander1 23 December 2019 22: 07
          +2
          Yes, they will finish building, provided that the geniuses from Gazprom and the government have the brains he won’t be sent from the Far East to the Baltic accompanied by the ships of the Navy and he won’t be arrested during the transfer to some port under far-fetched charges at the request of the State Department!
          But judging by the latest events and the outcome of the negotiations, they may not have enough brains and mind!
          1. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 23 December 2019 22: 28
            +9
            Send "Academician Chersky" along the SevMor-way. Let's check the icebreakers in "business". Initially, before the development of the SP-2 project, which had been preparing for several years, it was necessary to build 2 (two) pipe-laying vessels at its shipyards, for themselves, about the sanctions against SP-2 it was clear to the "hedgehog", but in the leadership of Gazprom "hedgehogs " no. I would have known that you are "FALLING" sad - would put straws ... yes
            1. Dreamboat
              Dreamboat 24 December 2019 00: 38
              +1
              Initially, before developing the SP-2 project, which was being prepared for several years, it was necessary to build 2 (two) pipe-laying vessels at its own shipyards, for themselves

              Do you have any idea how many ships are being built? And where to put them later?
              There are already 2 vessels: Fortune and Academic. Why 2 more?
              1. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 24 December 2019 20: 09
                -1
                The road is a spoon for lunch ... It's too late to dig a well, when you felt thirsty ... The Blue Stream gas pipeline across the Black Sea was planned in 1997. We started pulling the offshore section in September 2001 and finished in May 2002. Then it was necessary to build YOUR OWN pipe-laying vessels (main and spare) in 1997. The barge "Fortune" was born in Shanghai, and the "Academician Chersky" was born in Singapore.
                1. cat Rusich
                  cat Rusich 28 December 2019 22: 04
                  -1
                  What are the objections? We decided and planned to pull the gas pipeline along the seabed - prepare a tool (equipment). Do not rely on others, do it yourself. Council to Gazprom - give orders to the Homeland-Russia, let us work for the RUSSIANS.
          2. LeonidL
            LeonidL 24 December 2019 01: 07
            +3
            Quote: alexander1
            Yes, they will finish building, provided that the geniuses from Gazprom and the government have the brains he won’t be sent from the Far East to the Baltic accompanied by the ships of the Navy and he won’t be arrested during the transfer to some port under far-fetched charges at the request of the State Department!

            You can raise the flag of the auxiliary fleet of the Russian Navy over the Akademik and no one will stop it. There will be enough nuclear icebreakers along the NSR. Delay, but not fatal. You can upgrade the barge "Fortune", there is something with positioning. Yes, there are no Danish tervod left.
        4. Dreamboat
          Dreamboat 24 December 2019 00: 33
          +1
          The author forgot that Gazprom also has its own vessel, Academician Chersky, which has completed work on the Turkish Stream (launch is expected just a few days ago). So we will finish the last 5% ourselves.
        5. 7gor
          7gor 24 December 2019 03: 38
          +2
          Chersky there 1.5 months to go! They are muddied! And ours and strangers! And we only guess
        6. Olgovich
          Olgovich 24 December 2019 11: 40
          0
          Quote: Astoria
          Do not bzdi, the academician will finish building.

          Especially yesterday I read a regular TEXTBOOK on laying large-diameter offshore pipelines at great depths.
          It describes the mass of methods already tested in practice for their installation.

          In particular, lash welding to 15 km ashore and transporting them in a flooded or surface position to the location of the tip on the pontoon, where welding and subsequent flooding of the lash is performed. There are underwater welding in a pressure chamber, vertical welding of pipes, etc., etc.

          I think they will find a way out.

          The sharpness with which the Swiss directly abandoned their work is alarming: for any imposition of sanctions, even in cases with Iran, a certain period of time is given-a month, two, and then-instantly.
          1. Igoresha
            Igoresha 25 December 2019 19: 54
            +1
            with which the Swiss directly quit work
            and forfeits were not afraid
        7. maidan.izrailovich
          maidan.izrailovich 24 December 2019 13: 56
          +3
          Do not bzdi, the academician will finish building.

          There is indeed a pipe layer and he can complete the pipeline.
          But first, he is in Nakhodka. And he is one and a half to two months to go. God grant that our sworn "friends" do nothing along the way. There are many options to slow down. Or even put it on the joke. As an example. He will come on the way to some port behind the bunker, and the local port control will look for him there. And everything ... sailed.
          Secondly, as I understand it, he will have to work in the cords. And then the States can put pressure on the country where they have to lay pipes.
          In short, the situation is muddy and far from a happy ending.
        8. Стена
          Стена 24 December 2019 14: 15
          -4
          The Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline turned out to be nothing to complete: there are currently no vessels that can complete the project in Russia. This was reported by Interfax with reference to the head of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) Alexei Rakhmanov.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 24 December 2019 14: 29
            -3
            Quote: Wall
            It is reported by Interfax

            Well, "Interfax" is generally on fire today ... either his serial plane crashed, then the SP-2 has nothing to complete request
            1. Harry.km
              Harry.km 24 December 2019 14: 52
              +2
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              then his serial plane crashed


              Generally it is not clear Mr. Jack, what are you drowning for? Already, RIA Novosti reports that the serial aircraft was ... https://ria.ru/20191224/1562758131.html

              And people at the level of commanders say that tests were going on before being transferred to the army ... But to you all God's dew ...
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 24 December 2019 21: 10
                -3
                Quote: Harry.km
                Jack

                If you don’t stop distorting my nickname, you will be Kharya Potter. To start yes

                Why is that? Yes, you just remind me of her laughing
      2. Errr
        Errr 23 December 2019 19: 53
        13
        With us it is possible and through impossible. We are not used to it.
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          1. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 23 December 2019 20: 11
            10
            Quote: Tomcat Tomcat
            even Kursk

            Oh, Botyara is already moving out. And other "evil tongues" are engaged in self-licking long and hard. yes
          2. DMB_95
            DMB_95 23 December 2019 20: 26
            14
            Quote: Tomcat Tomcat
            then even Kursk was raised by foreigners

            Don't touch the Kursk, Buratino.
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          1. ultra
            ultra 23 December 2019 20: 06
            10
            I understand that you are one of these. wassat
            Quote: Tomcat Tomcat
            Don’t get used to it! Vaseline needs to be purchased
          2. Dude
            Dude 23 December 2019 20: 10
            12
            Quote: Tomcat Tomcat
            Don’t get used to it! Vaseline needs to be purchased

            You need - you buy, who doesn’t give?
            Useful for you.
            1. cost
              cost 23 December 2019 22: 59
              +5
              Quote: Dude
              Quote: Tomcat Tomcat
              Don’t get used to it! Vaseline needs to be purchased

              You need - you buy, who doesn’t give?
              Useful for you.

              We’ll extend the pipe through you. laughing Congress will not introduce sanctions for this; tolerance is now in vogue yes
      3. venik
        venik 23 December 2019 20: 07
        +8
        Quote: Tomcat Tomcat
        Something went wrong!

        =======
        Well, naturally! Of course not! You dear "cat" (aka "tomkat") have already lost ALL "titles" !!! A little more and .......
        With the best "congratulations" !!!! I wish you success and "happiness in your personal life" ... Only not on VO ...
    2. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 23 December 2019 19: 49
      11
      hi
      Quote: Hunter 2
      We finish, in spite of the enemies

      Fact
      Quote: Hunter 2
      If Europe is not tired of constantly bending it

      Maybe tired, but we do not see resistance ...
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 23 December 2019 20: 12
        +3
        Pasha pryuvet! Also watching this destructive novel?
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 23 December 2019 20: 15
          +5
          Glory hi This can not be ignored. wink
      2. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 23 December 2019 20: 18
        +6
        Hi Paul! Here you need to look more closely ... The European Union is a dead lion, after Brexitis. Now Everyone will pull the blanket over themselves ... but not enough for everyone. Normally Everything Will Be! hi
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 23 December 2019 20: 28
          +4
          Quote: Hunter 2
          EU - Dead Lion

          good Not negotiable. soldier
      3. Svetlana
        Svetlana 23 December 2019 20: 38
        +5
        Maybe tired, but we do not see resistance ...

        In the media, it seems to exist.
        The pipeline should come, says Süddeutsche Zeitung .. The federal government should be open to dialogue, but it should not be blackmailed.
        https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/nord-stream-2-pipeline-usa-sanktionen-1.4733405

        And in the afternoon, in some article I saw a mention that German-American diplomatic relations froze like a Siberian eternal merlot (literally)
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 23 December 2019 20: 41
          +6
          SP-2 is not going anywhere, no matter how the mattresses try. yes
          Thanks for the link ! drinks
          1. Svetlana
            Svetlana 23 December 2019 20: 52
            +3
            Not at all. There will be time, I'll see tomorrow what they write in Bild-e or have already written. It’s covered online, they want money, but I have regular newspapers.
          2. 79807420129
            79807420129 24 December 2019 06: 37
            +2
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            SP-2 is not going anywhere, no matter how the mattresses try. yes
            Thanks for the link ! drinks

            Hello, Pasha! drinks He looked for a moment. and then some lousy cat of volume with a pan on his head is driven laughing Stripes of course lustful little hands rub. but this is just from the insult that the SP-2 can no longer be stopped, they just piled a bunch on the carpet in front of our door, such as taking revenge. What happened? Yes, in principle, only that the launch of the SP-2 just shifted to the right for two three months and that’s all., On the TP in general, the striped train left, just pile on a bunch of powerlessness. What the stripes have achieved. Yes, no hell, our LNG confidently kicks out a cue, mattresses have buried their reputation as a reliable trading partner for a long time, but here they have generally exposed themselves to inadequate loonies. God be with them.
            https://cont.ws/@vv900535441/1538300 Почитай как нибудь. hi
          3. 210ox
            210ox 24 December 2019 15: 30
            +2
            Good afternoon, Pasha. Of course, I’m also sure that they will finish building. But Denmark can reverse it. Then things will drag on until the end of next year. Now the pipelayer will be distilled from Nakhodka, I think they will take him along the NSR, there were fewer people wishing to insert sticks.
        2. major147
          major147 23 December 2019 23: 25
          +1
          Quote: Svetlana
          The pipeline should come

          And Pioneering Spirit and Solitaire are not far gone. They became on the border of Danish waters and stand. Here is a photo at the time of writing.

          Sanctions prohibit laying a pipe deeper than 30 meters with a little, and there 15-20 meters. They are waiting for clarification.
          1. anzar
            anzar 24 December 2019 01: 28
            +3
            They have become on the border of Danish waters and are standing ... They are waiting for clarification.

            About the size of the penalty for non-fulfillment of the contract? This will not be from the Millers))
    3. Lexus
      Lexus 23 December 2019 19: 52
      +5
      Hi Alexey! hi
      Nowhere to retreat now!
      Many people, incl. and here, on the site, they wrote that it will be so, and what to do to prevent this from happening. But who listened to them? But others, with the obstinacy of a ram, still insist that "there is no other alternative" to the family! " This is in a country with almost 147 million people, for a minute.
      So it turned out that the people stigmatized by stupidity turned out to be a hundred times smarter than the "genius" responsible representatives of power structures and commercial organizations controlled by them, on paper.
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 23 December 2019 20: 13
        11
        Hello namesake! hi Everything mixed up with you. There is no time for political disagreements ... here the war has already gone economic and foreign policy! Now - option one, as always Shoulder to Shoulder.
        Market control - Priority ... in one agree with you - Miller on Ray!
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 23 December 2019 20: 53
          -1
          Lyosh, yesterday I just had a correspondence on this topic with the local site "generals", where the catdog acted as "secretary" (you can ask him for a transcript). I don't know if they heard me? Hope so. So that's it. war has long been not only economic and foreign policy, but a real sabotage and subversive. Just according to your profile, with respect, and without undermining the authority. The point is that there is no need to send "demolitionists" to us - they are all local spill, but with positions and briefcases, they breed and multiply like locusts. And we will have to fight shoulder to shoulder, and even with knives in the back.
          We will unambiguously agree between ourselves and cover each other with fire and maneuver, but a knife in the back is an unpleasant thing. hi
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 23 December 2019 21: 11
            +6
            Alexey, I am an Optimist! Maybe as in the saying, poorly informed ... But, I do not believe that everything is lost, I do not believe that all are corrupt. Money is the wind, Glory is Immortal! At that level - how no one should understand this!
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 23 December 2019 22: 00
              +6
              Alexey, I think you know without me who "pushed him" to that level. Honest people usually have nothing to hide, it makes no sense to hide the good and the bright. Then the question is why we have "he and his team" - the most secret on the planet. All living things reach for the Sun, but they usually bury the sewer.
              After all, you are far from an ordinary man in the street, with an excellent track record, influential ties, you are standing firmly on your feet, in general. And you are certainly not aware of all the problems and troubles of mere mortals. They DIE OUT !!! And one in the field is not a warrior! Even if those ~ 10 million of the entire population who today are more or less confident in tomorrow will not survive! Enemies trample!
              The times when people could be scattered are over. It's time to forget about your own self and become WE (Perhaps someone will now remember that earlier kings and emperors always considered themselves "We", but, as experience shows, this did not prevent them from remaining small and worthless "I-men"). Therefore, they are categorically against the deification of anyone, especially those who do not deserve it.
              I’ll say it again: PEOPLE - CREATOR OF HISTORY! And any official is his servant.
              But not the other way around. hi
          2. NN52
            NN52 23 December 2019 21: 28
            +4
            Lexus (Alex)
            Alexey, no one heard you. Because you don’t hear yourself and you cannot understand yourself ...
            But the knife in the back, you can just expect from you ... no offense ...
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 23 December 2019 22: 19
              +2
              And again, everything is unfounded, without arguments or arguments. Only morals and conjectures not supported by anything. He devoted 10 years to the army, participated. Those, my Fighting Brothers, oddly enough, trust me. And yes, I have many REAL FRIENDS! Not by correspondence.
              And you and your local "brethren" are no different from the "horses" from the neighboring chamber 404 in attempts to offend and offend you. You can't get out, so you try to shout down the crowd.
              So leave this "honorary" title to yourself, as well as the cardboard shoulder straps, added to each other for loyalty to the "order" and other "years of service."
              I was at the otolaryngologist a month ago - everything is in order! With medical examination I have strictly. I hope you at least here understood me correctly. And then we'll talk.
              1. NN52
                NN52 23 December 2019 22: 52
                +6
                Lexus (Alex)

                10 years? I wonder where, if not a secret, you served? somehow it is not clear ...
                And about the cons ... have not yet set a single yet, right? I can throw, no question ...
                And why is this obsession with "cardboard titles"? children's grievances?

                And your agitation for the "revolution", I don't understand ... why? wanted to shoot? so go to the shooting gallery ... maybe feel better .... or wanted a civil war?
                1. at84432384
                  at84432384 23 December 2019 23: 09
                  -1
                  Dmitry, revolution, this is not shooting, this is a change in the socio-political system. And "shooting" is a civil war. Even during coups it is possible to "shoot". In 1991, they quietly made a revolution and without any "shoot", but in 1993 there was a coup and then they already shot. Don't confuse concepts. Now, if a revolution does not take place in Russia, then everything will end in a terrible riot and then it will not be possible without shooting.
                  1. NN52
                    NN52 23 December 2019 23: 26
                    +1
                    at84432384 (Vladimir)
                    It is you confusing concepts ... where were you in 1991 to talk about a quiet revolution without shooting? For example, I was a cadet, they flew in Azerbaijan .... "well, absolutely no shooting ...")
                    There will be no revolution in Russia, let alone rebellion .... Do not even hope ..
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                    2. at84432384
                      at84432384 24 December 2019 19: 17
                      0
                      If there is no revolution in Russia, then there will be no Russia, and very soon. But to compare Russia with yesterday’s semi-wild tribes is not worth it.
                      1. NN52
                        NN52 24 December 2019 19: 23
                        +2
                        at84432384 (Vladimir)
                        Before you answer me. You did not answer the question, where were you in '91?
                        Russia has been and will always be, do not hesitate ...
                      2. at84432384
                        at84432384 24 December 2019 20: 00
                        +1
                        In 91 I was in Moscow, and in 89 I took part in organizing refugees from Tajikistan, where Tajiks massacred Russian-speaking people. Just like that, they cut out all "not ours". And the Uzbeks too. The authorities hid it. Do you consider this a revolution ?! Faith, of course, is of good quality, but it is still desirable to reinforce it with knowledge, and not hide your head in the sand like an ostrich. And the demographic situation in Russia is catastrophic - the annual decline of the Russian population has been more than a million a year for more than 10 years (Rosstat gives only an integral characteristic), which will very quickly lead to the fact that neither Russians nor Russian civilization will remain on the territory of the now called "Russia" ... Will wait?!
              2. Lexus
                Lexus 23 December 2019 23: 45
                +9
                And who is asking?
                Yesterday you unsuccessfully tried to introduce me to the public as a drunkard, just now you were almost accused of treason (the peremptory statement that you are expecting a "knife in the back" from me is just that, although we do not even know each other), again trying to hurt and offend me, and here, and even immediately on "you", This is with what fright?
                Secondly, I am fed up with examples of how your gang, having found out something about a person, then perverts and pokes it at every opportunity, with or without reason. I saw, when I was sitting in the "bathhouse", how they persecuted a young man for not serving in the army due to poor eyesight. And at the same time, as an indicator of their "authority" they boasted of "extras", "shoulder straps" and "length of service" on the site. You really have nothing more to be proud of? No offense.
                So "I won't give you a machine gun."
                I had your parliamentary emissaries. Naturally, to no avail. I do not need to stray into any herds and jackals of the pack. And I’m not trading in conscience.
                I’ll have to believe it, but I’ve shot more than I would like.
                And categorically I do not accept the civil war, because it rolled with a skating rink through my family.
                Nevertheless, I am opposed to extermination and extermination, and now the question is precisely that, the Russian people are a handful of snickering bandits. It’s too soon for a cup of patience to overflow, regardless of my attitude to this. For myself, I decided that I would not shoot at the rebellious people. That's all. So do not think for me. You do it badly, and the logic is not visible.
                As for the "cons" - put it if it becomes easier. Or will it allow making gold out of the waste of the "garbage" reform and helping those in need? Then burn! hi
                1. NN52
                  NN52 24 December 2019 00: 05
                  +1
                  Lexus (Alex)
                  Well, about "you", this is my slip of the tongue, for you I only call my friends.
                  I have not read such nonsense for a long time, to be honest .... Everything is turned upside down ...
                  And to be honest, I doubt about the service, which is 10 years long.
                  And rzhachno about "a knife in the back", this is actually taken from your commentary .. memory fails? is it too early?
                  And what bullying? parliamentary emissaries? what are you talking about? what parallel reality do you live in ????
                  Okay ... put out the light, of course it's fun with you, but unproductive ...
      2. NN52
        NN52 23 December 2019 21: 23
        -2
        Hunter 2 (Alexey)
        Instead of Miller, whom will we put? Are there any options?
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 23 December 2019 22: 03
          +9
          Quote: NN52
          Hunter 2 (Alexey)
          Instead of Miller, whom will we put? Are there any options?

          Ready ... repeat I don’t see any more. crying
        2. Lexus
          Lexus 23 December 2019 22: 22
          +4
          "Minuses". You at the VO staging, at least they collectively mastered them. With which I congratulate. hi
        3. Revival
          Revival 23 December 2019 22: 48
          +5
          The swear word is simple!
          Yes, I’ll look at us already at no place, in your opinion, there is no one to replace, of those who are already there.
          There is no one to replace, no one to replace. Already there is no one to replace the miller? Yes, you really chtoli?
        4. NEXUS
          NEXUS 23 December 2019 23: 31
          +9
          Quote: NN52
          Hunter 2 (Alexey)
          Instead of Miller, whom will we put? Are there any options?

          If they put someone, then without yours, mine, or someone else’s opinion. Have something to argue?
          Now for SP-2. Che for a puppy barking indignant about finish building, do not finish. What do you personally get from this SP-2? Tell me, will there be new jobs, salaries, etc.? Well, yes, there will be so what? The steering laborers are just as needed, which will provide them with an uninterrupted flow of profits, and at the same time also protect their legitimately taken over from the people’s good.
          But you personally, they will say, must defend their homeland. And you will, because the oath and all that.
          One gang (the Russian nouveau riche) wants to plant half the world on the pipe, and the other gang (Morgans, Sores and Rockefellers) do not want this. So, in this scheme, where are you, I, and the Russian or Western people?
          Has it not yet reached you that our helmsmen are not patriots, but banal grabbers and thieves? Do you need examples? Yes, as many as you like ... Chubais, Kudrin, Serdyukov and others like them ... not enough? Are they all where now? Felled forest? What care for the motherland, wise guy? You are elementary in love for the Motherland made a chain dog that protects THEIR wealth. Subsoil folk? No!
          Che is developing in the army in the first place? Correctly-Strategic Missile Forces, so that no Western NIDA like Rothschild could not go unpunished to try to squeeze our feeder from our gang.
          But how many Western firms whose heads negatively relate to the Russian Federation and the Kremlin on the territory of our country are developing, getting richer and planting us on a formacological needle, food, etc.? Have you ever wondered, no? Look, you will be very surprised.
          Patriotism is good when the leaders are patriots, not balabol, who, under the flag of patriotism, rob their own people and country.
          1. NN52
            NN52 23 December 2019 23: 51
            +4
            NEXUS (Andrey)
            Do we have neutrality? Or am I wrong?
            Why are you constantly "shaking" from side to side in the comments? Either you are a patriot, then you pretend to be, then everything is hay and everything is bad with you. Aren't you tired of behaving like a "girl with a low social orientation"?
            I do not change my views and beliefs.
            Regarding SP 2 and everything else ... I want to clarify with you ... pensions, social programs, roads, etc., etc., why does the state pay? contains an army? buys new equipment?
            I don’t even want to talk further ... read less on the Internet all nonsense and you will be happy ..
            Do you really not see where and how much money is invested in the example of Nizhny? In infrastructure, etc. ... how Sormovo transformed?
            And I’m not ashamed to be a patriot.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 24 December 2019 00: 03
              0
              Quote: NN52
              Do we have neutrality? Or am I wrong?

              I can’t stand such idiots and never put up with it. Do you say neutrality with us?
              Quote: NN52
              Either you are a patriot, then you pretend to be them, then you haunt everything and everything is bad with you.

              That is, you don’t see the difference at all between lizoblizheniye before the authorities and patriotism? Then the question is, fool - Are you a patriot of what? Chubais, Gazprom, Putin or a patriot of the motherland?
              Quote: NN52
              I want to clarify with you ... pensions, social programs, roads, etc., etc.,

              You remembered the social and pensions here ... well, tell me, pilot-raider, why are these pensions in relation to the standard of living in the country so small? And why do we give doctors so much money for treatment? Or can you tell me about the retirement age here?
              And I'm sorry, the GOS from which hangover so increased in price? Che, the gold augers began to mine it? Or maybe gasoline has become an order of magnitude better?
              Our helmsmen where are treated? In regional clinics? And where do their children study? And now the question is, why are your children not studying in elite schools, institutes and then not working in Gazprom?
              Quote: NN52
              contains an army?

              Of course it contains ... otherwise they will take away Morgana’s from them as honestly stolen.
              And what is there, do not remind? Strongly develop the fleet? Or maybe the SU-57 with PAK YES in a good series has already been transmitted to the aerospace forces? No ... develop what? Strategic Missile Forces, missile defense, Identification systems, early warning, etc. ... and the rest is so, because so far as the Soviet eats.
              Quote: NN52
              And I’m not ashamed to be a patriot.

              It’s not a shame to be a patriot, but a naive fool is a shame. But this is not about you, because it’s in your forehead, that’s spelled.
              1. NN52
                NN52 24 December 2019 00: 19
                +3
                NEXUS (Andrey)

                Well, about the "freak", you're in vain .... Reminder, what are you talking about, about "violation"?
                Regarding patriotism .... he either is or is not, regardless of who the President is. You don’t understand this, I hope you will guess for what reasons)
                I do not know where the officials are treated, but my child is being treated in the "Healthy Generation" and is studying at the 82nd Lyceum (where the older one studied and then graduated from Lobachevsky this year on a budget).
                Su 57 recently transferred to the military (I even know where).
                And what is wrong with gasoline? I fill 92nd, everything is fine. have you been diluted with water?)))

                And advice ... do not judge others by yourself ....
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 24 December 2019 00: 28
                  -4
                  Quote: NN52
                  Regarding patriotism .... he either is or is not, no matter who

                  I just didn’t understand the question for you, I’ll ask you differently ... how is it in Ivan Vasilievich- Whose servant will you be? Because I see for sure you don’t see the difference between patriotism and lizoblozhenie before the authorities.
                  Quote: NN52
                  The president. You don’t understand this, I hope you will guess for what reasons)

                  Well, where am I going ... wassat it is for this reason that you did not answer one of my questions.
                  Quote: NN52
                  And what is wrong with gasoline?

                  Count it ... it once cost 13 kopecks. Bad luck ... maybe then it was diluted with donkey urine, because it was so cheap? Ah, wise guy?
                  Quote: NN52
                  Su 57 recently transferred to the military (I even know where).

                  And what? I am sure that they will not reduce the order, due to the type of lack of money in the budget? I'm not sure.
                  Quote: NN52
                  And advice ... do not judge others by yourself ....

                  That's it, wise guy, don’t judge people by yourself. You’re sitting here, scribbling for patriotism, while you’re directly proud of nationality ... you’re a shareholder of Gazprom, so you tear up the umbilical cord on the British cross for him and slogans about patriotism are you pushing
                  I look here for more than 200 comments, and it seems like half of the commentators are not to be taken, Gazprom shareholders.
            2. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara 24 December 2019 02: 06
              +4
              Quote: NN52
              I want to clarify with you ... pensions, social programs, roads, etc., etc., why does the state pay? contains an army? buys new equipment?

              I won’t say anything, but the state pays pensions from pension contributions of 13 percent, and if you die at 60, then all your pension contributions are not inherited, but remain with the state. And I am silent about the fact that your pension money is not dead weight, but invested, loans are issued, perhaps even to yourself.
              1. Crimean partisan 1974
                Crimean partisan 1974 24 December 2019 07: 57
                0
                then all your pension contributions are not inherited, but remain with the state. ... and here the grandmother said in two, draw up an accumulative account and ogly, you want at least 50 draw up a pension, and they don’t go anywhere after death but are transferred to the next of kin, for example, my neighbor didn’t work a day for the state, in the work book one specialty, a housewife, formalized a pension at the age of 50; they cleaned 17 sput, that is, if you know little about it, then why thicken such terrible fogs
    4. vitvit123
      vitvit123 23 December 2019 20: 48
      +4
      And what had to be done? Kindly for those in the tank ...
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 23 December 2019 21: 12
        +6
        To begin with, not to sell or plunder your own country, so that later the money stolen from the people with the relatives "looking after" them abroad cannot be hidden and become hostages of other people's opinions and decisions.
        The Soviet Union produced everything it needed, with few exceptions. Therefore, he sneezed at the sanctions easily and naturally. And in the courts of the dwarf states he did not justify himself only because they did not even have in mind to present anything, so as not to go to study the well-known route, where usually strong and self-respecting "bearers" are sent.
        1. vitvit123
          vitvit123 23 December 2019 21: 37
          0
          Ahhh, everyone. I understood everything ... Yes, of course, and how their land bears, where is justice ... Of course, fools and traitors! "and when the huminoids will fly to us" (that film tells you everything) ...
          1. Revival
            Revival 23 December 2019 22: 52
            0
            Easily merged.
            Right.
            So it is necessary to do when there is nothing to object
  2. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 23 December 2019 19: 54
    18
    You see how the Swiss teased at the command of the Yankees! request Do I have a purely practical question? Here I look at my Tissot watch and think, will they get up on the orders of mattresses or not ??? Who knows? recourse
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 23 December 2019 20: 26
      +3
      Quote: Major Yurik
      You see how the Swiss teased at the command of the Yankees! request Do I have a purely practical question? Here I look at my Tissot watch and think, will they get up on the orders of mattresses or not ??? Who knows? recourse

      Major - urgently buy Ulysse Nardin - These Definitely Will Not Rise on Order, and their emblem is cool - Anchor ... the mattresses in ..... will be banned. repeat
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 23 December 2019 20: 33
        +7
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Anchor ... mattresses in ....

        The bay? wink lol
        1. Alien From
          Alien From 23 December 2019 22: 50
          +2
          "" Anchor ... mattresses in .... "" ----- in a seagull))) we will finish building, let them at least crap)))
    2. Fraracol_2
      Fraracol_2 23 December 2019 21: 39
      0
      Why not Komandirskie?
    3. opus
      opus 23 December 2019 22: 10
      +8
      Quote: Major Yurik
      they will stand

      stand up ... stand up.
      As I hear about "the clock will rise", I immediately remember a children's anecdote
      In bed Natasha and Rzhevsky:
      - Lieutenant, stop the clock in the living room.
      - Why, Natasha?
      “I want at least something to stand in the house.”


      Quote: Hunter 2
      Major - Urgent Buy Ulysse Nardin

      It is better to turn to Peskov, he is special in these matters

      He knows for sure what will rise and what not
    4. cost
      cost 23 December 2019 23: 32
      +5
      Quote: Major Yurik
      You see how the Swiss teased at the command of the Yankees! request Do I have a purely practical question? Here I look at my Tissot watch and think, will they get up on the orders of mattresses or not ??? Who knows? recourse

      Smart people Tissot off the tray in the transition buy. Best of all is Made in Hong Kong. They definitely won’t fall under sanctions. laughing
  3. Nkv3
    Nkv3 23 December 2019 20: 03
    12
    Sure? Maybe we’ll finish ...
    The question is when and how?
    The situation is not simple, I was trying to explain it now on another resource.
    No eminent western company (and there are only 5 in the world) will not be included in the project. More expensive for yourself. No one will climb under American sanctions.
    Who will finish building?
    Russia. Theoretically it can. But!
    Barge Fortuna is just a barge. It itself needs to be moved, an additional vessel is needed. In addition, it does not have a dynamic positioning system. She does not stack 1,5, but only 1 km per day. And there are two such branches. And until recently, they were served by a whole flotilla supplying pipes. And the laying speed was 5 times faster.
    "Academician Chersky"? He's in the Far East. We must overtake. We need to assemble a team, study local conditions ...
    But the most important thing is that sanctions apply to SHIPS as well. As soon as Russia uses its own, it will immediately fly under sanctions.
    Hope only on Asian friends who don't give a damn about sanctions. But there is also a problem. Any pipeline needs certification. The certificate is issued by an independent foreign company. Will she give him away, will not be afraid of sanctions? Will he give it away, spitting on the quality of work? There are many questions ...
    As, in fact, on today's relations between Russia and insurance companies.
    In the best case, the SP-2, I think, will be completed in the fall of next year. But this is an optimistic forecast. In fact, it could be otherwise.
    1. Avior
      Avior 23 December 2019 20: 39
      +9
      The Chinese are not easy either
      There is nothing left to finish there, you won’t earn much
      But will they want to substitute because of the small amount of work?
      1. vitvit123
        vitvit123 23 December 2019 21: 39
        +2
        Maybe for a small amount - a lot of money? Everything has a price. Not everything is so one-sided ...
        1. Avior
          Avior 23 December 2019 21: 49
          +5
          They will not be weak anyway
          Well, if they start, then at first all the same reconnaissance of the bottom, the fleet to pull off the auxiliary, work permits to coordinate and approve, certification - and in a few stages there may be problems
          1. vitvit123
            vitvit123 23 December 2019 21: 51
            +2
            I wrote as an option .... otherwise everyone knows everything in advance ....
    2. dgonni
      dgonni 23 December 2019 21: 26
      +2
      I agree. But the deadlines go to love even more to the right. The Fortune will not be allowed by the Danes. The academician will slowly go for two months. Again, the Danes need approval for the ship. Terms of approval for laying everyone remember I hope? Right now in the Baltic winter. Storm. Upon receipt of approval, it will rush to inspect the bottom again. There, the Maltz alliance litter chemical weapons without discards. Who knew that they had to lay down the pipeline themselves on those waters. Laying a hundred days. So in time for the new year 2021 in the best case. Further certification and commissioning is another plus 6 months at a minimum.
      P.S. None of the Asians will subscribe to the pipeline. Volumes are not those but problems above the roof. China could fit in 5-6 years ago. But not in the modern realities of the commercial war with the states. So no earlier than the middle of 2021 and then only at 50% capacity.
      1. Liam
        Liam 23 December 2019 21: 31
        0
        Quote: dgonni
        The academician will slowly go for two months.

        And who said that this ship is technically able to do the job? When and where and at what depths did this ship lay pipes?
        1. dgonni
          dgonni 23 December 2019 21: 42
          +3
          We open Google we look at the characteristics of the ship we look at the characteristics. Pave. The main thing is to get approval from the Danes. But this can be a big problem!
          1. Liam
            Liam 23 December 2019 21: 45
            -1
            Leave Google google experts with foam at your mouth until yesterday proved that the Fortune barge will replace the Swiss with one left and google TTX was brandishing here. What pipelines did this ship lay so far?
          2. Liam
            Liam 23 December 2019 22: 17
            -3
            Quote: dgonni
            We open Google we look at the characteristics of the ship we look at the characteristics. Pave. The main thing is to get approval from the Danes. But this can be a big problem!

            By the way, Google tells us interesting things about this vessel. August 2018.
            Search for orders Tenders ETP GPB Moscow 223-ФЗ 33 31583427
            Tenders
            Modernization and retrofitting of the Akademik Chersky vessel as part of the preparations for the Kirinsky gas condensate field project (adjustment 2) with the possibility of further use at the Yuzhno-Kirinsky gas condensate field for the needs of PJSC Gazprom

            Still sure that this vessel is able to complete the work if this tender was announced a year ago?
            1. dgonni
              dgonni 23 December 2019 23: 56
              0
              If modernization has passed, then why not? The ship is relatively new and can actually lay the pipe at 200m depth. The question is again in terms! Two months to the Baltic. Alignment with the Danes. And this is also not fast. The laying speed is again not a fountain and one ship on 2 branches. Checking the bottom of the sea after winter storms. In general, before the second half of 2021, under the most favorable conditions, it will not work. And even half the power.
              Miller is of course a very strong stratageg. Already takes the horror.
              1. Liam
                Liam 24 December 2019 00: 09
                0
                Quote: dgonni
                why not?

                I understand everything of course. Below on the branch, a cheerful comrade generally offers to cook pipes on the shore and lay them down by divers.
                It should be understood that the underwater trunk pipeline at 55 yards meters per year under a pressure of 200 atmospheres is not a hose to connect to the stove with a hose. In the event of an accident, there will be tens of billions of losses, poisoning of the sea, etc., etc. You seriously believe that someone in their right mind would allow a vessel converted from a sea crane on the knee without the highest level of international certification, with an inexperienced crew, without a reputation and so on and so forth. Is there at least one serious world-class insurance company that will take the risk of insuring these works?
                1. dgonni
                  dgonni 24 December 2019 08: 29
                  -1
                  At the expense of the crew and competencies I completely agree! But this is included in obtaining admission to the laying of the same Danes.
      2. Dimon Krasnodar
        Dimon Krasnodar 23 December 2019 22: 07
        +1
        When transferring from Nakhodka to the Baltic, Academician Charsky needs to be covered with a squadron of warships, in order to avoid surprises from partners. And this is not a joke, perhaps the Academician will be the only option for completing sp2.
    3. Vita vko
      Vita vko 23 December 2019 21: 35
      12
      If we analyze the statements of the SP-2 builders, including Allseas before the imposition of sanctions and now, we can conclude that everything was expected and such a quick reaction with the withdrawal of ships was predictable and stipulated in the contract. Otherwise, penalties for breach of contract would simply ruin Allseas and they thought 100 times before stopping work. It is not surprising that the Fortuna ship has long been under loading in the German port, and Miller himself said a month ago that the launch of SP-2 will be later than the due date and is expected in the second half of 2020. just considering the low speed of the Chinese pipe layer.
      The most important thing is of course the bonuses that Switzerland itself received from American sanctions. If earlier there was a proverb "reliable as in a Swiss bank", but now with irony one can say "reliable as a Swiss pipe layer". And image losses for banks is almost a collapse.
      1. Avior
        Avior 23 December 2019 21: 52
        +6
        For the Swiss, this is more likely to be in force majeure, so they quickly took
        And we'll see the rest
      2. opus
        opus 23 December 2019 22: 27
        +4
        Quote: Vita VKO
        and such a quick response with the withdrawal of ships was predictable and stipulated in the contract.

        Vague doubts torment me.
        Then the pipe-laying vessel would stand in Kiel, and not in Vladik.
        Quote: Vita VKO
        Otherwise, penalties for breach of contract would simply ruin Allseas and they thought 100 times before stopping work.

        Do not write nonsense! Any contract has:
        Force majeure- None of the parties is liable for any delay in performance or non-fulfillment of obligations by virtue of this Contract due to natural disasters, floods, etc., riots, strikes, cargo embargoes, force majeure, military operations of any kind, laws or regulations of governments (foreign or domestic, federal, state, county or municipal authorities, or for any other similar reason beyond the reasonable control of the affected party.

        Force Majeure

        Force majeure circumstances relieve the counterparty from liability for non-compliance with contractual obligations, provided that he immediately notifies the partner about the occurrence of emergency circumstances.
        Economic Court of the Commonwealth of Independent States. URL:

        Quote: Vita VKO
        the ship "Fortuna" has long been in the port of Germany

        Fortuna cannot lay in Danish waters .... it does not have a dynamic positioning system that automatically allows it to be held in a given position by means of engines and thrusters. "Fortuna", according to the information on the website of JSC "MRTS", is an anchor barge with a 12-point positioning system.

        Quote: Vita VKO
        Miller himself said a month ago that the launch of SP-2 will be later than the due date

        1.Miller says a lot
        2. Start-up and construction - different things
        3. Even if they get a permit for "Fortune", then according to S&P Global Platts Analytics, the equipment of the vessel does not allow him to lay at a depth of pipe with a speed of more than 1 km per day
        ONE good news today:
        The German Federal Office for Geodesy and Cartography (BSH) has authorized Nord Stream 2 AG to build the Nord Stream 2 pipeline in the winter months

        The pipeline section that is currently under construction is located in the zone of the European Bird Sanctuary:
        Over the next few months, more than a million seabirds will fly there. That is why it was originally planned to complete the construction of the pipeline by the end of December.
        1. Liam
          Liam 23 December 2019 22: 41
          -1
          Quote: opus
          Then the pipe-laying vessel would stand in Kiel, and not in Vladik

          You are a meticulous person. Put 2 of this news in a row.

          1. In May 2015, STG confidentially sold 1 of its ships under construction to an unnamed buyer.

          The proceeds were used to secure STG bonds.

          Now Gazprom is opening the veil of secrecy, confirming the purchase of the Jascon 18 TUS by Mezhregiontruboprovodstroy (MRTS) the purpose of modernization under the pipe-laying vessel.


          2.August 2018.
          Search for orders Tenders ETP GPB Moscow 223-ФЗ 33 31583427
          Tenders
          Modernization and retrofitting
          Akademik Chersky vessel in preparation for the Kirinsky gas condensate field development project (adjustment 2) with the possibility of further use at the Yuzhno-Kirinsky gas condensate field for the needs of PJSC Gazprom

          So, this vessel was originally not a pipe layer. It was bought in 2015 with the goal of remaking it. The tender for this modernization was announced only a year ago, in the summer of 2018.
          The question is, at the moment, the work is carried out? Is this vessel generally able to lay pipes?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 23 December 2019 23: 18
            +2
            Quote: Liam
            Is this vessel generally able to lay pipes?

            I visited the procurement site of Gazprom Fleet. Saturn and Neptune purchase VHF radio stations and geodetic receivers for tugboats, and navigation aids for Chersky. recourse
            1. Liam
              Liam 23 December 2019 23: 54
              -2
              Eaglets learn to fly
          2. Genry
            Genry 23 December 2019 23: 40
            +2
            Quote: Liam
            This vessel was originally not a pipe layer. Purchased in 2015 with the goal of remaking it. The tender for this modernization was announced only a year ago, in the summer of 2018.

            Purchased ....

            Upgraded ....

            Renamed ....
            1. Liam
              Liam 23 December 2019 23: 53
              -1
              And where is it used?
              Compare the leisure equipment of this vessel with the pipe layers of the Swiss or Italians, and draw conclusions
              1. Genry
                Genry 23 December 2019 23: 57
                +2
                Quote: Liam
                equipment of this vessel with pipe layers Swiss or Italians. and draw conclusions

                But you don’t understand that the vessels are similar in functionality, but they differ in performance due to the size of the deck / working space.
                1. Liam
                  Liam 24 December 2019 00: 20
                  0
                  I understand that this is a miracle remade from a crane that has not yet laid a kilometer of pipes anywhere, with a crew without any experience in such matters, without serious certifications, guarantees, an insurance company to cover billions of dollars of damage in the event of anything and a cannon shot will not allow access to the main gas pipeline worth $ 10 billion.
      3. Astoria
        Astoria 23 December 2019 22: 53
        +2
        Sanctions in the United States introduces the Ministry of Finance. In the adopted law on sanctions, there is a three-month clause on entry into force, but after 2 senators wrote a letter that raised all the fuss allseas is waiting for clarification from the US Treasury.
    4. Fraracol_2
      Fraracol_2 23 December 2019 21: 40
      0
      Thank. Competently.
    5. Astoria
      Astoria 23 December 2019 22: 48
      +3
      But the most important thing is that sanctions apply to SHIPS as well. As soon as Russia uses its own, it will immediately fly under sanctions.
      -
      Restrictions imply a complete blockage of all american assets sanctioned Companies, a ban on operations with them and a ban on the entry of company representatives in the United States
      where does Russia mean - if we are talking about companies. If Gazprom Fleet does not have assets in the United States, then there is no talk at all. Why catch this horror on susceptible members of the forum? tongue
  4. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 23 December 2019 21: 23
    +4
    Quote: Hunter 2
    The gas pipeline is a kind of leash, so that those who yap - pull

    But it’s not always possible to keep the dog! wink
    1. vitvit123
      vitvit123 23 December 2019 21: 40
      +2
      Tie correctly and stronger, if in doubt and there will be no problems! fellow
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 23 December 2019 21: 47
        +5
        Some dogs, if tied tightly, will drag you a hundred meters behind them! laughing
        1. vitvit123
          vitvit123 23 December 2019 21: 53
          +3
          in this case, they attach it to an object (which can’t be moved) if it’s rickets (nothing personal to you, I’m telling you by my own example) .. fellow it's hard to think of it .. we are always like that in the village ..
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 23 December 2019 22: 18
            +4
            Vitaly, we are now drawing analogies to a leash with a gas pipeline, talking about a strong leash, but realities show that the dog wanted to put it on our leash, because it knows that we won’t get anywhere without it. And he thinks right, because we are more dependent on the leash than she is.
            Rather, Europe can afford to show off in the style of "I want today, I don't want tomorrow", because she has an alternative, albeit more expensive. We cannot afford it. I mean that with our resource-based economy, we cannot proudly say to the West, "If you don't want to, don't." hi
            1. vitvit123
              vitvit123 25 December 2019 08: 40
              0
              Yes, nothing Europe can show off! There are enormous implications in the money on the part of the euro and this money is not ours. Why is Europe so at odds with the amers because of our gas, they would have taken and costed other pipes.
  5. Finches
    Finches 23 December 2019 21: 33
    +4
    On the one hand, an effective manager Miller will take the pipe, on the other hand, an effective Novak manager ... For 2 a day of salary, like Miller - I would have on my shoulders, with my military retirees brothers, dopped this pipe to Germany without any Swiss ! On the way, you could take the Reichstag, and then look - some congressmen scared them from behind a puddle ...! laughing laughing
    1. at84432384
      at84432384 23 December 2019 23: 21
      +1
      Yes, it’s not the king’s business, to lay pipes, he already has two official llamas a month, by the New Year he will throw a lard, why should he fuss ...
  6. smart ass
    smart ass 23 December 2019 22: 17
    +4
    In general, Gazprom and Russia should be dumb, they sell gas on an industrial scale, but they can’t build their own pipe-laying machine.
    1. abvgdeika
      abvgdeika 23 December 2019 22: 39
      +3
      They are not dumb, they are doing well !!!!!!
  7. Maz
    Maz 23 December 2019 22: 55
    +2
    But the bastards especially thought so, and the New Year and only 125 km to the end ...
    1. 72jora72
      72jora72 24 December 2019 01: 35
      +1
      But the bastards especially thought so, and the New Year and only 125 km to the end ...
      This was expected ............ no, it was predicted, this option has been discussed throughout the last year. The only ones who did not believe in such an outcome were the government and the "effective managers" of Gazmyas, forgive Gazprom ...
    2. smart ass
      smart ass 25 December 2019 06: 27
      -1
      In the State Department, someone will receive bonuses on NG
  8. NEXUS
    NEXUS 24 December 2019 00: 09
    0
    Quote: Hunter 2
    Finish, in spite of the enemies!

    Said it suddenly and bluntly. You are a shareholder of Gazprom apparently. wassat
  9. RUSS
    RUSS 24 December 2019 07: 07
    -2
    Quote: Hunter 2
    The US is mortally afraid of Russia's growing influence in Europe.

    What kind of influence is this?
  10. Robertocalos
    Robertocalos 25 December 2019 11: 56
    0
    And how is the "growth of influence" manifested? Please clarify.
  • Sky strike fighter
    Sky strike fighter 23 December 2019 19: 45
    28
    Allseas "left", the pipes remained: who can finish the "Nord Stream-2" in conditions of sanctions

    Here is the result of the slogan: "Abroad will help us." If you want to do something, do it yourself.
  • Oyo Sarkazmi
    Oyo Sarkazmi 23 December 2019 19: 46
    19 th
    While we supply the RD-180 and provide space, money does not go into the American space. And the ISS is aging every year. And then the Americans simply have nowhere to fly. So it will remain - without a ship, without a rocket, and without a future ... am
    1. Fraracol_2
      Fraracol_2 23 December 2019 21: 44
      -2
      But where can we fly in the Unions? And already next year and without the aging of the ISS,
  • Kars
    Kars 23 December 2019 19: 46
    25
    Interestingly, can a Swiss contractor be soldered? Perhaps the contract provides for some fines.
    1. Non liberoid Russian
      Non liberoid Russian 23 December 2019 19: 54
      +9
      despite what is described in force majeure
    2. Lexus
      Lexus 23 December 2019 20: 05
      +2
      It is unlikely. The Swiss are not a patient people of Russia, and they don't care about "Basmanny justice". And, if it turns out to take something from them, they will quickly run into the pockets of the "new Swiss" of Russian origin. Who is going to substitute such "golden, platinum-tinted" relatives?
    3. lwxx
      lwxx 23 December 2019 20: 22
      +3
      Quote: Kars
      Interestingly, can a Swiss contractor be soldered? Perhaps the contract provides for some fines.

      Rather, the Swiss will blow us a lawsuit for falling under sanctions, for lost profits, etc. They have too quickly slipped away, they are afraid of repeating the story with their famous banks. As they did not swagger, the staff members bent them two times.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 23 December 2019 22: 20
        -3
        There have never been such legal cases, but Russia can completely weigh them off for not completing the contract and the court will win, since the contract is a contract.
    4. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 23 December 2019 21: 11
      +2
      Quote: Kars
      Interestingly, can a Swiss contractor be soldered? Perhaps the contract provides for some fines.

      Looks like the agreement on the laying of the SP-2 does not provide for massive penalties, otherwise they would not have been thrown off the route. Our office managers, as always, looked "no one knows where" when they made these contracts! But they probably did not go to waste!
      It is also likely that the agreements on the supply of rocket engines to the Americans were drawn up not by our menachers, but by overseas lawyers, and everything has already been provided for and written down there, and therefore it would be very expensive to fail to deliver the Americans with obligations!
      I think things are like this, Ufa ...
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 23 December 2019 22: 22
        +7
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Our office managers, as always, looked "no one knows where" when they made these contracts!

        And as always, they won’t even be cut bonuses. The problem of our state is the lack of responsibility, and the higher, the less responsibility for our work.
    5. dgonni
      dgonni 23 December 2019 21: 30
      +4
      With a probability of 99 and 9 in the period, the Stockholm Arbitration recognizes this event as a force majeure. There is no fault of the company. So there will be no fines.
    6. Fraracol_2
      Fraracol_2 23 December 2019 21: 46
      -2
      Here once the Swiss are not id-you, this situation could easily be calculated. It is unlikely that they could somehow substitute.
  • 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 23 December 2019 19: 46
    11
    Interestingly, what will prevent Amers from introducing a ban on the use of gas from Russia?
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 23 December 2019 20: 21
      -3
      Quote: 75Sergey
      Interestingly, what will prevent Amers from introducing a ban on the use of gas from Russia?

      They bought it from us in a liquefied form - as soon as it starts, they will immediately begin to purchase from us again. That is why their Europeans will send with such cunning.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 23 December 2019 22: 07
        +1
        This is where they break the business: to ban the sale of LNG to USA.
        But the Americans are arrogant: they will immediately ban gas from Russia ... laughing
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 23 December 2019 22: 37
          +4
          Good evening!
          And where to sell it in this case?
          Do you think they’ll make it more accessible for the people or will they let it go for the development of domestic industry at a reduced price?
          It is unlikely. No way! Because he...
          "Honestly compressed gas", Vasya Lozhkin (Alexey Vladimirovich Kudelin), Wonderful People's Artist
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 24 December 2019 12: 53
            0
            Sell?
            Yes, the same Europe, but the prices are Russian, and they are about $ 50 cheaper than the US.
            At the same time, we still have a delta: gas can be carried by small gas carriers along the Baltic Sea. the sea from Vysotsk, or large from Sabetta - well, here you need to keep the right managers - and the Americans can be well crushed ...
        2. ccsr
          ccsr 24 December 2019 17: 59
          0
          Quote: hydrox
          This is where they break the business: to ban the sale of LNG to USA.

          What for? Understand correctly that the more we sell gas, the less will be all our associated costs and higher profitability, as We have long relied on sales growth. And under this we are creating the entire gas industry, which means that we should in no case be able to reduce production and sales. Yes, at least anyone needs to sell, but the main thing is that volumes grow, and this is our strategy for many years to come.
          Quote: hydrox
          But the Americans are arrogant: they will immediately ban gas from Russia ...

          Here, their focus will not work - all gas transactions are easily controlled, and the Europeans will be the first to howl if our LNG with an American margin is injected into them.
    2. Fraracol_2
      Fraracol_2 23 December 2019 21: 47
      -3
      Do not croak.
  • Operator
    Operator 23 December 2019 19: 46
    10
    Russian sanctions should be imposed on the Swiss company Allseas for refusing to fulfill the contract for laying the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline.
    1. Lesorub
      Lesorub 23 December 2019 19: 54
      17
      Quote: Operator
      Russian sanctions should be imposed on the Swiss company Allseas for refusing to fulfill the contract for laying the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline.

      I would like to hear this from the Foreign Ministry, but practice shows that they will express regret and that’s all!
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      1. ultra
        ultra 23 December 2019 20: 04
        +9
        Quote: Tomcat Tomcat
        And the Swiss will arrest the accounts of Russian officials

        Boy, officials cannot have legal accounts in Switzerland, and illegal ones are their problems. wassat
    3. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 23 December 2019 21: 16
      +4
      Quote: Operator
      Russian sanctions should be imposed on the Swiss company Allseas for refusing to fulfill the contract for laying the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline.

      good Arrest pipe-laying vessels against a penalty for failure to fulfill contractual obligations.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 23 December 2019 22: 12
        +4
        We have no rights to this, and Switzerland will not execute the decisions of the Basmanny Court.
        In addition, the Swiss branch is almost in Texas and the Americans will make a decision on the arrest in 5 minutes ...
    4. Fraracol_2
      Fraracol_2 23 December 2019 21: 50
      -3
      And that will be? Maximum not to allow more participation in the laying of Russian pipelines? Here they are upset.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 24 December 2019 18: 03
        0
        Quote: Fraancol_2
        And that will be? Maximum not to allow more participation in the laying of Russian pipelines? Here they are upset.

        I think that they will be upset, and very much, because gas pipelines will still be built in Europe. And it is not known how both Korea and Japan will lead, if we want to transport our gas from Siberia along the bottom of the sea and they decide that it is beneficial for them.
    5. Finn
      Finn 23 December 2019 21: 50
      +3
      He also thought so at first, then put himself in the place of the Swiss, they just wanted to earn money. Russia and the United States exchange sanctions and courtesies, Germany is interested in gas, but it’s just silent. They made this pipe until they promised it to shut off oxygen in business. The choice is not attractive to them. I would also ask customers to solve their problems and create working conditions. How much is 150 km left? Due to 150 km and other people's problems, risking business is not logical.
      1. Operator
        Operator 23 December 2019 22: 20
        -1
        The Swiss on their ass ran into the lost profit of Gazprom in the form of lost revenues from gas supplies through the pipe, and by no means the cost of 150 km of pipe.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 24 December 2019 13: 02
          0
          And this is if only Iller wants to spoil relations with Switzerland, but he does not want to.
          He looks at it like a liberal :: If we pump hydrocarbons for a penny and have billions for them, then we ourselves can buy anything!
          He made a mistake - they couldn’t buy common sense - there wasn’t enough money: the request for theft exceeded the resource of possibilities: now we’ll see how he can get out of this situation ... laughing
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 23 December 2019 19: 48
    +5
    There, besides these 160 km under water, they began to build a pipe along German territory to the Hub and should bring it to Austria. And only it will take from 1 year to 2x .... so that ukrotrub, in any case, needs another 2 years. And, accordingly, the contract.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 23 December 2019 20: 25
      +2
      IT WAS KNOWN IN 18G
      counted the timing and this way and that, and friends Germans pulled a dry gas pipeline better than the Danes. and joint venture! they also detained the dry land for a year-- BUT IT HAS BEEN FOR A LONG TIME FOR MANY MEMORY SO DOES NOT WORK FAR AWAY (10 YEARS)
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 23 December 2019 22: 36
        +1
        I understand that the Germans didn’t really pull .... everything is there according to the project.
    2. Rostislav
      Rostislav 23 December 2019 20: 57
      +1
      They would stop transit through the Ukrainians, as promised, the Fritz’s pipe would be lively extended. And so once again washed
      1. dgonni
        dgonni 23 December 2019 21: 33
        +2
        Yeah. And Gazprom would get fines on ships not for some 3 lard like with Ukraine but for a couple of hundred lard. But the most nasty thing is that you would get a black mark of an unreliable supplier and lose 50 percent of the European market.
      2. 75 Sergey
        75 Sergey 23 December 2019 22: 27
        -2
        I agree, because the pipeline is a piece of iron that is silent to the last, and then the bang (in Ukraine in several places) broke down and the examination showed that it was unsuitable for further operation and to stop pumping for safety and life saving purposes. Force Majeure?
  • ccsr
    ccsr 23 December 2019 19: 49
    +4
    I wonder how a Swiss company will pay a penalty for an outstanding contract. The French returned the money to us for the Mistral, I think that now our lawyers will find a way to recover the penalty.
    1. dgonni
      dgonni 23 December 2019 21: 35
      +2
      Already wrote NO! Force Majeure. If you do not like the Stockholm arbitration. This is selawy
      1. Liam
        Liam 23 December 2019 21: 42
        -1
        Quote: dgonni
        Already wrote NO! Force Majeure. If you do not like the Stockholm arbitration. This is selawy

        When they signed the contract for laying, the threat of sanctions already hung and all parties knew it. So they spelled out in the contract unambiguously. Moreover, no one from the Gazprom stutters about any forfeits to the Swiss
      2. 75 Sergey
        75 Sergey 23 December 2019 22: 28
        -1
        Is US Congress equated to natural disaster?
        Probably fines and penalties, but it’s easier for them than everyone.
      3. ccsr
        ccsr 24 December 2019 17: 45
        0
        Quote: dgonni
        Already wrote NO! Force Majeure.

        No, this is not a force majeure, because it is not a meteorite falling on the stacking ship or the beginning of hostilities in the Baltic.
        Quote: dgonni
        If you do not like the Stockholm arbitration.

        I hope at least this will teach our arrogant fools that it is better to apply to Chinese arbitration in case of disputes.
        Quote: dgonni
        This is selawy

        Let's see how everything works out - with the Mistrals it has passed, so it's not a fact that we can win with this. By the way, there was no force majeure with the Mistrals - they returned all the money, so we'll see when the clauses of the agreement with the Swiss are published.
  • kaplei
    kaplei 23 December 2019 19: 52
    22
    The position of strategists and managers from our heritage is not entirely clear. So many years this canoe with north-south streams ... Well, it really was impossible to build a pipelayer at the preliminary stage of this venture. "Hedgehog" it was clear from the beginning that the "democratic forces" would crush and the partners in the EU would throw at the first nix) Who will be responsible for all this? Well, maybe stop talking about all the TV channels
    1. artifact
      artifact 23 December 2019 20: 43
      +5
      Quote: kaplei
      The position of strategists and managers from our heritage is not entirely clear. So many years this canoe with north-south streams ... Well, it really was impossible to build a pipelayer at the preliminary stage of this venture. "Hedgehog" it was clear from the beginning that the "democratic forces" would crush and the partners in the EU would throw at the first nix) Who will be responsible for all this? Well, maybe stop talking about all the TV channels

      Gazprom has confirmed market rumors about the company’s purchase of the Jascon 18 pipe-laying vessel (new name, Academician Chersky). This ship will allow Gazprom to build offshore gas pipelines itself without regard to international sanctions.
      [b] [/ b] above the photo of this steamboat comrade posted. it’s true that he has to go a month from the Far East, but nothing, there’s time
      1. kaplei
        kaplei 23 December 2019 21: 02
        +2
        And even if the company or its subsidiary bought the pipelayer, then everything is not even clear with this ... The vessel manufacturer will not be able to service it. Replacing any specialized equipment on such a ship is already very expensive, and finding a similar supplier ready to service it is difficult, because all this is protected by patents, licenses, etc. This is all a threat to the reliable operation of the ship. We must build ourselves!
        1. artifact
          artifact 23 December 2019 21: 32
          +7
          build yourself !? I'm only behind both hands. the question is how to get out of the current situevina - the answer is to use what is.
          By the way, Allseas has a loophole to finish laying without any problems: the sanctions have a clause "it is forbidden to work at depths of more than 30 meters, and along the route of laying pipes, the depth seems to be no more than 27 meters. Now they will consult and it will be clear what they decide.
          1. kaplei
            kaplei 23 December 2019 21: 44
            +3
            God forbid, but something is hard to believe in it ... It’s better to build it yourself, since they are aimed at developing underwater pipelines.
            1. artifact
              artifact 23 December 2019 21: 56
              +3
              Quote: kaplei
              God forbid, but something is weakly believed in it ...Better build yourselftimes focused on the development of submarine pipelines.

              there is no need to argue. to build, produce, sew, grow everything by ourselves, I said this back in the 90s when China flooded our market with consumer goods
    2. Doctor
      Doctor 23 December 2019 21: 57
      +4
      The position of strategists and managers from our heritage is not entirely clear.


      Right Another proof of their stupidity and inability to calculate the situation a couple of moves forward. The price of their diplomas and knowledge is zero. Some show off golems.
  • Sergey39
    Sergey39 23 December 2019 19: 54
    +1
    Again, Denmark is extreme. Allow or not to use "Fortune"
    1. Vadim Zhivov
      Vadim Zhivov 23 December 2019 20: 06
      0
      And ours let the duck go about using our airspace ... Already there were stocks down .. laughing
    2. Avior
      Avior 23 December 2019 20: 35
      +2
      They have a general requirement for the positioning of such vessels, it is unlikely that they will now make an exception, and making it is not so simple.
    3. Alien From
      Alien From 23 December 2019 23: 30
      +1
      I wanted to write a lot, but I’ll be brief: Denmark absolutely consciously gave permission to draw us into this particular situation. What happened? Disruption of work and complete unknown. Meet the State Department. Minus, do not mind!
  • parusnik
    parusnik 23 December 2019 20: 00
    +8
    In fact, not to the point of irony. Who will replace the Swiss Allseas at the final stage of construction of the SP-2? If the possibility of such a replacement at all?
    ... Indeed, not to the irony .. Which of the foreign contractors will complete the SP-2? .. Who is this daredevil? ... One question .. and where are the Russian contractors .. a similar profile?
    1. Finn
      Finn 23 December 2019 21: 59
      +1
      Academician Chersky with dynamic positioning is suitable, but he is in the Far East.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 23 December 2019 20: 01
    18
    But I still can’t wait for gas in my house. Bubble dumped so much already. They waited for the receiver, now they are preparing the contract, and then an insert is necessary. And for any of my WTF questions, they have a piece of paper, instructions on what to hide behind. Or just keep silent. And so long as such disastrousness on the part of the monopolists occurs, all these problems of the world-eaters do not bother me much.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 23 December 2019 22: 44
      +7
      They, apparently, are already deciding how to reimburse new sanctions costs at your-Our expense. I also heard more than once from the "happy" gasifiers that the issue of permits has now become irresistibly complicated.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 24 December 2019 13: 07
        +2
        Nothing became more complicated: simply with a greatly reduced opportunity to steal, the prices for the priority of providing the "gas blessing" service jumped. laughing
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  • 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 23 December 2019 20: 04
    +4
    Well, no one even explained to me - what would prevent the US from openly banning the use of gas / oil from Russia?
    Tell me, the signed contracts, but the contracts of the daughter of Gazprom with this office did not save the situation.
    Or nothing?
    In principle, the United States has switched to open military / economic actions, it will only be "more fun" in the future.
    Has the third world economic war begun?
    A curtain! (iron).
    1. Dude
      Dude 23 December 2019 20: 17
      +7
      Has the third world economic war begun?
      Woke up, my dear? She has been walking for a long time ... Centuries.
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 23 December 2019 20: 23
      0
      Quote: 75Sergey
      Has the third world economic war begun?

      But she never stopped after Fulton - Jackson-Venik has not yet been canceled.
  • Tusv
    Tusv 23 December 2019 20: 05
    0
    but at the same time, one way or another, you can continue to move, and after that - still change your shoes ...

    Cool was work shoes with a metal toe. The magic pendal turns directly into a supermagic
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 23 December 2019 20: 27
      +1
      but at the same time, one way or another, you can continue to move, and after that - still change shoes. AND WIPE THE FOOTWEAR ABOUT THE LIVING BODY.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 23 December 2019 20: 35
        -1
        Quote: antivirus
        but at the same time, one way or another, you can continue to move, and after that - still change shoes

        No, you need to change shoes now, but will bend from someone’s face, you need to gently wipe it on him and make him pay a forfeit that the boot could not stand such a kick
  • Sitearvi
    Sitearvi 23 December 2019 20: 08
    +7
    The worst thing in this situation, so far only everyone says that we will answer, but how we will answer, how exactly we can answer, no one says.
    1. Mityay65
      Mityay65 23 December 2019 20: 23
      +4
      Quote: Saitarvi
      everyone says we will answer

      It’s very stupid to get into trouble in this situation. fellow
      It is necessary to use the situation in our interests - to quarrel Germany with the States.
      1. Sitearvi
        Sitearvi 23 December 2019 20: 29
        +2
        You also believe in multi-path for the collapse of NATO.
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 23 December 2019 20: 46
        +3
        Quote: Mityai65
        quarrel Germany with the States

        The Germans did not go. Sit quietly like mice under a broom. They are even Turks with Arabs spread rot.
  • svoit
    svoit 23 December 2019 20: 10
    +9
    Quote: Hunter 2
    The gas pipeline is a kind of leash, so that those who yap - pull

    Russia never uses economic leverage in politics, there is only business. So they can yap even to infinity. But it was still not difficult to predict that such an outcome was probable, but the straw was not enough to lay the mind.
  • eagle owl
    eagle owl 23 December 2019 20: 13
    +1
    In fact, it was only for this that it was necessary to build a SP-2 and the Turkish Stream, so that the United States imposed sanctions on its NATO allies wink
  • svp67
    svp67 23 December 2019 20: 14
    +7
    Losses test what you're worth. Therefore, the main thing is not to hang your nose and think how to get out of this situation as a WINNER. Grandfathers had much more difficult and still they WIN, aren't we worse than them?
    In this case, it remains to lay about 125 km of pipe.
    This is the sum of two strings, the nearest 50 km remaining
    Recall that in 2020 pumping volumes were registered at the level of 65 billion cubic meters, which is more than the design capacity of SP-2.
    Wait, there are problems with "Turkish", so the volume is NORMAL.
    And enough "crying", life goes on and you need to LIVE and FIGHT.
    The real fighter is tested by defeat, whether he is able to stand up after him and fight on. So that the snot to the side and forward
    1. Avior
      Avior 23 December 2019 20: 32
      +7
      65 billion cubic meters is the minimum volume, more can be increased, therefore, from the point of view of deliveries as a problem in itself, there is no problem because of the deadline.
      1. eagle owl
        eagle owl 23 December 2019 21: 21
        -1
        There, even the Germans on the shore have not yet been completed, so there is no problem at all winked
  • Naive
    Naive 23 December 2019 20: 19
    +6
    Every day they dunk deeper into the shit ... and in response to silence (concern) ... When will these anxious drown in this shit?
  • Mityay65
    Mityay65 23 December 2019 20: 21
    0
    Actually, nothing terrible - terrible. The situation was known for a long time and was miscalculated specifically.
    Now, as I see it, Vova just rejoiced, at least today at the press conference in Adygea he was pleased as an elephant. laughing
    For this is a classic judo situation - a mad attack from despair. Now we must retreat, intercept and substitute the Yankees for disassembly with Germany and Europe. Here you can very specifically drive a wedge between the States and the Germans, well, at the same time, finally destroy the reputation of Frau Bundescan Chancellor ...
    So Fritz is furious. am
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 23 December 2019 20: 22
    +8
    But for “Fortune” there is a certain problem. It is connected with the Danish environmental safety requirements, under which the pipe-laying barge allegedly “does not fully fit” ..

    I repeat:
    I read about Fortuna: for operating pipelayers in Danish waters, at the request of Copenhagen, such vessels must have a dynamic positioning system that allows them to automatically hold in a given position using engines and thrusters. Fortuna does not meet these requirements, being an anchor barge with a 12-point positioning system.
    http://agitpro.su/u-rossii-est-neskolko-sposobov-resheniya-problemy-severnogo-potoka-2/
    Those. until Fortuna is modernized, it cannot work in Danish waters ... And these are not "definite problems", unfortunately ... And this is very bad ... Again I will repeat about the qualifications of GAZPROM managers who have not studied the relevant legislation of Denmark and have not prepared as it should ... Bought something cheaper or, most likely, just burst ... By the way, GAZPROM itself also falls under US sanctions if it builds the SP-2 on its own ... This is how the bandits from the United States follow the principles of free trade. But what should the RF do in this case? Against the background of this information, signing a contract for pumping gas through Ukraine is not the worst option. But I think that the unqualified work of GAZPROM's management led to the imposition of this contract ... To put it mildly, this is very regrettable ... h
    1. Finn
      Finn 23 December 2019 22: 09
      +1
      "Academician Chersky" with a dynamic, if that he can continue.
      1. Alexander X
        Alexander X 23 December 2019 22: 25
        +3
        "Academician Chersky" with dynamic, if that he can continue. "
        I carried a special in shipping, but on the net they write that he should go from the parking lot for about 3 months ...
        Completed. I have no doubt. But these "people who love the love of a man for a man" slowed down construction. And they made them finance a regime hostile to Russia for at least 5 years.
        1. Finn
          Finn 23 December 2019 22: 40
          +1
          Yes, from the Far East, at its speed, I think the truth. But there are no options, I think that if you put a few destroyers around fortune and warn when approaching that here the Russian warships change course. This is just the economic zone of Denmark)))) and there, to its border, a couple of days of fortune work.
      2. Avior
        Avior 23 December 2019 22: 35
        +3
        Chersky is in the find and does not go anywhere
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 23 December 2019 23: 37
          0
          It seems that they are preparing, since navigation aids are also purchased by receivers.
  • bk316
    bk316 23 December 2019 20: 22
    0
    Well, here the issue is no longer economic.
    If you finish building, you can say with confidence US HEGEMONIES COME THE END.
    If they didn’t finish building, I would have resigned instead of Miller, Novak, Medvedev.
    But I think they will finish building, not until the new year and probably not until spring, but that is the time.

    The next step of amers after the completion is interesting.
    Will they explode? Or will they try to intercept the ship earlier on the road from the Far East?
    1. Mityay65
      Mityay65 23 December 2019 20: 33
      0
      Quote: bk316
      try to intercept the ship on the road with the Far East

      This option is very interesting. bully
      To go on their own through Suez, he and a half - two months.
      Firstly, they can try to put pressure on Egypt and block the Suez Canal. Egypt lives on the money of the Saudis, he does not have time to show off ...
      Secondly, they may well detain the ship in the Arabian Sea under the pretext of smuggling or transporting something non-kosher, our forces are not there right now.
      Conclusion: you need a convoy or go along the NSR. hi
      1. Vadim Zhivov
        Vadim Zhivov 23 December 2019 20: 50
        +1
        What convoy problem? Already accompany something will be found than ... Not whose AUG collect ... hi
      2. Avior
        Avior 23 December 2019 21: 05
        0
        And in winter it will pass on smp?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 23 December 2019 21: 12
          +1
          Who cares? The Americans are threatening to lay down all sanctions on who will lay the pipe.
          1. vitvit123
            vitvit123 23 December 2019 21: 46
            +1
            judging by Gazprom quotes, they all wanted to spit on these sanctions and believe that everything will be fine. and there people are not very fools and just do not talk.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 23 December 2019 21: 49
              +2
              Quote: vitvit123
              all wanted to spit on these sanctions

              Yeah, Medvedev and the government are already scratching their turnips, thinking about how much the Americans would slip in response.
              1. vitvit123
                vitvit123 23 December 2019 21: 57
                +2
                I am not speaking for Medvedev; I am speaking for many smart and knowledgeable people (in this sphere), whether Medvedev is among them violet. that's who is definitely not included, I also see.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 23 December 2019 22: 05
                  +3
                  So Gazprom was going to pay 50 percent of the profit to shareholders. Pipe construction has little effect on this.
        2. Mityay65
          Mityay65 23 December 2019 21: 20
          0
          Why not? Atomic icebreakers conduct gas carriers from Yamal to Murmansk, in the Western section. It is more complicated in the East, from Yamal to Dezhnev metro station, but there will be a channel. I think the wiring will be organized.
          In general, it is planned that Novatek's LNG tankers will sail to China all year round.
          1. Avior
            Avior 23 December 2019 21: 31
            +4
            And not some kind of ice class spend in winter? I don’t know, can this pipe-layer be able to follow icebreaker in broken ice in winter?
            1. Mityay65
              Mityay65 23 December 2019 22: 28
              -2
              He's not ice class, that's for sure. But to clear the fairway of broken ice, a lighter carrier "Sevmorput", for example, with a nuclear power plant, can be placed behind the forward icebreaker. Or some other diesel icebreaker. It will be more expensive, but it's not about the money. angry
              Rather, the danger is not from broken ice, but from possible low temperatures in the range of -35 - -55 C. The "Akademik" is of Chinese construction, and the Chinese understand the Arctic frost purely conditionally - there is no frost-resistant metal, no insulation, or heating. And there may be problems with the power plant.
              Well, then it can be towed, the main thing is to drag it. To Murmansk, there they will bring him in God's form.
  • Avior
    Avior 23 December 2019 20: 27
    +8
    . But for “Fortune” there is a certain problem. It is connected with the Danish environmental safety requirements, under which the pipe-laying barge allegedly “does not fully fit”.

    There should be a positioning system with thrusters in the guides, it is unlikely that Fortune will be allowed.
    Cherskiy meets these requirements
    1. Mityay65
      Mityay65 23 December 2019 20: 44
      +2
      Quote: Avior
      There must be a positioning system with thrusters in the guide wires

      SP-2 does not pass in Danvods, only in the exclusive economic zone.
      1. Avior
        Avior 23 December 2019 20: 46
        +3
        But in exceptional economic circumstances, can this be the case for environmental reasons?
        It will be even more difficult to resolve in violation of their own rules, there are generally subtleties in contrast to the thermal guide
        1. Mityay65
          Mityay65 23 December 2019 20: 55
          +3
          Since Fortuna was declared for work in the Danish economic zone (and received permission), it is quite possible that Gazprom's lawyers took this moment into account.
          In general, the procedure for admitting and permitting passage, fishing, and bottom work is different for tervods and the economic zone.
          1. Avior
            Avior 23 December 2019 20: 58
            +2
            As I understand it, it is more difficult to make exceptions in the exclusive zone, otherwise each one will be sued due to different requirements, in their own guides it is easier
            In fact, in many places I read that supposedly Fortune cannot work just because of the lack of taxis
            But then we'll see what happens
            1. Brturin
              Brturin 23 December 2019 21: 55
              -1
              Quote: Avior
              Fortune cannot work just because of the lack of thrusters. But then we'll see what will happen

              Fortune can work, but it needs a calm sea (it has a slight draft), and in the Baltic in winter it is a storm. What's next - German Welt: Russians are certainly angry that the Americans have imposed sanctions against Nord Stream-2. However, they are ready for this. They knew that it would come to that ... the executive director of Nord Stream 2 ... if necessary, the pipes would be welded on land, delivered to their destination on ships, and divers would be involved in their laying ... Theoretical debate who, how ... I think in the near future we will find out the answer ...
              1. Liam
                Liam 23 December 2019 22: 01
                +2
                Quote: BrTurin
                if necessary, the pipes will be welded on land, delivered to their destination on ships, and divers will deal with their laying ...

                Do not tell this to anyone, even as a joke ... they will laugh ...
                1. Brturin
                  Brturin 23 December 2019 22: 08
                  -1
                  Enter this quote into a search engine ... why would Matthias Warnig tell "jokes" ...
                  1. Liam
                    Liam 23 December 2019 22: 12
                    -1
                    Your quotes ... I will refrain from comments)
                    I’d better remind you of a recent conversation about

                    Liam
                    3 December 2019 21: 29
                    0
                    Quote: BrTurin
                    this law has already been passed

                    Until 20.12 will
                    Quote: BrTurin
                    Fortune will remain

                    Here it is. Fortune will remain. For some reason, professionals doubt their ability to finish building. Americans, by the way, also doubt it and don’t really take it into account. Fools probably)

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                    Brturin
                    3 December 2019 21: 45
                    +1
                    Quote: Liam
                    Here it is. Fortune will remain. For some reason, professionals doubt whose ability to finish building

                    So let's see who is more professional - those who doubt or professionals "on the very serious site Neftegas.Ru
                    "
                    1. Brturin
                      Brturin 23 December 2019 22: 30
                      -1
                      And what is the problem - the question is -
                      Liam (Liam) December 3, 2019 20:20 p.m. But on the very serious site Neftegas.Ru for some reason they doubt that it’s enough .... However, for the construction of the Northern Stream-2 IHL in the Baltic Sea, where depths can exceed 400 m,
                      the answer is
                      BrTurin (Boris) December 3, 2019 now the question is not about the depths along the entire SP-2 route, but about a specific Danish section, where the depth is about 100 m. If you refer to this site - "T. Cruz is mistaken: back in 2015, Gazprom The multipurpose construction vessel Jascon 18 (now Akademik Chersky) was purchased, equipped for deep-water laying of pipelines. The pipe-laying barge (TUB) Fortuna Mezhregiontruboprovodstroy (MRTS), which can lay pipes to a depth of 200 m, may be connected to the project. " https://neftegaz.ru/news/politics/507893-vopros-oborony-ssha-rasschityvayut-blokirovat-severnyy-potok-2-cherez-voennyy-byudzhet/

                      You yourself called Neftegas.Ru "on a very serious site" and I quoted a quote from this site - "a pipe-laying barge (TUB) Fortuna can join the project", but here is the answer to the final question
                      So let's see who is more professional - those who doubt or professionals "on the very serious site Neftegas.Ru
                      not yet given, because who and how will be completed is not yet known
          2. Victoria-V
            Victoria-V 23 December 2019 21: 27
            0
            Gazprom lawyers must be shot.
          3. Liam
            Liam 23 December 2019 21: 27
            -2
            Quote: Mityai65
            Since Fortuna was declared for work in the Danish economic zone (and received permission), it is quite possible that Gazprom's lawyers took this moment into account.

            Do not share the source of these sensations? Preferably from an official source
    2. Liam
      Liam 23 December 2019 21: 19
      -1
      Quote: Avior
      Cherskiy meets these requirements

      And with depths like Chersky?
      1. Avior
        Avior 23 December 2019 21: 32
        +1
        I don’t know, I can’t say
        1. Liam
          Liam 23 December 2019 23: 47
          -2
          I’m afraid that sea pipe layers are rare, you can count them on the fingers of two hands all over the world. And how the hell they don’t pop out of the snuffbox like Academician Chersky. I didn’t hear the audience before yesterday the day before yesterday, but today it’s announced almost unparalleled) looks like another good face in a bad game
    3. vitvit123
      vitvit123 23 December 2019 21: 49
      +3
      Well, how do you know what will happen? firstly, we still know how to convince judging by the fact that they have already convinced. secondly, they can put a tugboat next to it with positioning and say that + - 10 meters is permissible. Who knows what will converge .. in a hurry now it is not necessary and this is important.
  • Compass14
    Compass14 23 December 2019 20: 31
    -1
    The cost of liquefied is already at the pipeline level. So deferment for the United States is the goal.
    1. Avior
      Avior 23 December 2019 20: 48
      +3
      As such, the delay is only for SP2, this does not affect the total volume of gas supplied to Europe
      1. Compass14
        Compass14 24 December 2019 09: 44
        -1
        therefore, we agreed quickly with Ukraine
    2. vitvit123
      vitvit123 23 December 2019 22: 00
      +2
      only sbs liquefied is no longer profitable at this price, and it endures the pipe easily! in case of excess, the price drops, but then the supply becomes smaller (production closed unprofitable) and the price begins to rise. This is a market and it is not inevitable!
    3. 75 Sergey
      75 Sergey 23 December 2019 22: 30
      0
      There is still Yamal LNG, how is it with the cost?
  • Mentat
    Mentat 23 December 2019 20: 44
    +3
    Quote: Kars
    Interestingly, can a Swiss contractor be soldered? Perhaps the contract provides for some fines.

    Under the contract must pay a penalty and pay staff.
    By the way, their vessels didn’t leave the laying area, they are in “limited maneuvering” mode, as when laying pipes, with the status “work suspended”. Let's see what will happen next.
    1. Mityay65
      Mityay65 23 December 2019 20: 50
      0
      Quote: Mentat
      Under the contract must pay a penalty

      It is unlikely that such stupid Swiss lawyers. This case is just a classic force majeure. I am sure this case is stipulated.
      Quote: Mentat
      By the way, their vessels didn’t leave the laying area,

      It is reported that the pipe layers left the Baltic Sea and headed for the Gulf of Mexico.
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 23 December 2019 22: 07
        0
        This case is just a classic force majeure.


        No, the classic is for example a storm, or an epidemic among the team. What prevents to complete? Did someone say something? Banned? So you are not independent, and therefore unreliable. For the Swiss, this is a jamb and they understood it. And while they Paused.
  • Rostislav
    Rostislav 23 December 2019 20: 53
    +3
    Yes, from a great mind at one time a contract was concluded on gas delivery "to the door" to European consumers. Despite the fact that the transit was already controlled by "friends" with whom no enemies were needed. So we got it.
    And also lost time waiting for permission from Denmark. We would go right around, would have already gone ashore.
    1. Avior
      Avior 23 December 2019 21: 01
      +2
      Gazprom has repeatedly refused to sell gas on the border with Ukraine, and that’s logical - it’s so easy to squeeze it out of the European gas market, in fact, any third energy package is just trying to
  • Bullba
    Bullba 23 December 2019 20: 54
    -1
    But let’s let it go, it’s a little spin, we, for our part, have done everything to fulfill the contracts, and sp2, well, pinda of your industry.
  • G. Georgiev
    G. Georgiev 23 December 2019 20: 59
    0
    It is very simple. Russia is a supplier. Europe is a customer. Let Europe itself find a way. And if she doesn’t want to, and listens to the United States, let her stay in the cold or pray for Ukraine .... If sanctions are introduced against the use of Russian gas around the world, then ... there’s about a Chinese stream .... Russia is rich a country, and if it wants, it can also sell its resources ..
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  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 23 December 2019 21: 13
    +6
    Several years ago I was publicly surprised at the accuracy of the biblical observation - "If the Lord decides to punish, He deprives the punished mind" (c) laughing It is logical that special requirements are imposed on pipes that run along the bottom of the sea. The customer can be sure of the quality of the products of the Vyksa Metallurgical Plant, since he already supplied his products for the first string of the Nord Stream.

    The company produces pipes in accordance with the international standard of the Norwegian company Det Norske Veritas (DNV). The pipes are made of sheet steel that has passed 100 percent automated ultrasonic testing. Their wall thickness is 41 millimeters, and the strength class is x70. Such pipes are able to withstand a pressure of 220 atmospheres. Manufacturers focus on the fact that the combination of such characteristics in one product is unique to pipes of this diameter and strength group.

    By the way, OMK became the first qualified manufacturer of pipes of the DNV-OS-F101 standard in Russia and the CIS. The latter is a global norm when laying oil and gas pipelines on continental shelves with increased requirements for their quality, wear resistance and pipe durability. The plant received a certificate of conformity in 2007.
  • Mityay65
    Mityay65 23 December 2019 21: 15
    +2
    In this situation, it annoys me particularly that pipe layers for construction second in a row The world's largest submarine pipeline, not a Russian shipyard and not under the Russian flag. And generally not under Russian control.
    Pipelayers of this type are not a particularly tricky thing, welding - laying pipes of this diameter, Gazprom has learned to do in different forms, poses and conditions ... even if necessary, it will lay on the Moon ...
    This is a question for the effectiveness of managing the industry, which, in my opinion, has long been overdue. fool
    1. Avior
      Avior 23 December 2019 21: 37
      +3
      Probably not such a simple matter, in the world there are not many companies doing this
      1. Mityay65
        Mityay65 23 December 2019 22: 35
        -2
        Gazprom is the world's largest gas pipeline company. With the maximum competencies in this area. There are not many companies - I think half of them are employed by Gazprom. That certainly applies to large diameter gas pipelines.
        Of course, you need to share with partners, perhaps this is just a form of bribe to politicians. Most likely the way it is. But you must have your own ship anyway.
        1. Avior
          Avior 23 December 2019 22: 45
          +2
          I think in the coming days it will be clear where and what Fortune and Chersky are doing, then it will become clear
          Chersky so far without movement in Nakhodka
    2. vitvit123
      vitvit123 23 December 2019 22: 03
      +2
      If there were all Russians, then the euro would not try to complete the project in this way, and so there the euro would not be healed and they would naturally help in every possible way to complete it.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 23 December 2019 21: 15
    0
    Two US senators, Ted Cruise and Ron Johnson, will surely go down in history as people who have publicly undermined the United States' global geopolitical power. In a letter threatening sanctions against the Swiss-Dutch company Allseas, they did not just give a damn about the recently unbreakable "gentlemanly rules" of playing the market. They threw a boomerang, completely useless for the officially declared goal of blocking the construction of the Nord Stream-2 pipeline, but triggering processes that hit back across America itself. laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 23 December 2019 21: 24
    -1
    How did Gazprom throw Ukraine? laughing Vice Prime Minister Dmitry Kozak said that now all the risks of transit tariffs, the regulator: and Naftogaz will bear the work of the gas transportation system of Ukraine, which will allow Gazprom to avoid new litigation due to Ukrainian transit.

    “The mechanism is that we are not dealing with Ukraine, we are not figuring out either regulatory issues or tariffs. Now we have a company that provides us with a service for the delivery of Russian gas to European consumers through Ukraine - Naftogaz. These are all the risks associated with tariff, legislative regulation and the functioning of the gas transportation system of Ukraine - this is now a matter of interaction between Naftogaz of Ukraine and the state of Ukraine, ”Kozak explained ... laughing
    1. dgonni
      dgonni 23 December 2019 22: 10
      +2
      A year ago, Kozak beat himself in the chest and broadcast that not a gram of gas through Ukraine would go through the pipe. So his statements are a simple concussion.
      As regards the proposed contract, European norms of both transit and pricing are prescribed there. So milking Gazprom in this regard is all sad. Do not wave the crane. The transit price will be European. All issues are resolved in Stockholm. Voila!
  • impostor
    impostor 23 December 2019 21: 24
    -3
    The victory or defeat in the fact that Allseas “left” will become clear in two ways - the presence of premiums and bonuses at Gazprom’s top management for the year - once, and the price of gas for consumers in Russia - two.
    1. Avior
      Avior 23 December 2019 21: 35
      +7
      I'm afraid bonuses and bonuses will be in any case
      And the price will increase too in any situation
      Just because it rises and never falls somehow
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 23 December 2019 21: 26
    -2
    Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Kozak said that now all the risks of transit tariffs, the regulator and the operation of the gas transportation system of Ukraine will be borne by Naftogaz, which will allow Gazprom to avoid new litigation due to Ukrainian transit.

    “The mechanism is that we are not dealing with Ukraine, we are not figuring out either regulatory issues or tariffs. Now we have a company that provides us with a service for the delivery of Russian gas to European consumers through Ukraine - Naftogaz. These are all the risks associated with tariff, legislative regulation and the functioning of the gas transportation system of Ukraine - this is now a matter of interaction between Naftogaz of Ukraine and the state of Ukraine, ”Kozak explained ... laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 23 December 2019 21: 27
    -2
    . Tariffs for transit.

    Let me remind you of the initial position of Naftogaz:

    Naftogaz of Ukraine has announced tariffs for the transit of Russian gas for 2020-2024, Segodnya.ua reports with reference to the company's press service.

    According to Naftogaz, when booking 60 billion cubic meters of transit capacity of the Ukrainian gas transportation system, the tariff will be $ 3,21 per 90 cubic meters of gas per hundred kilometers, and when booking 2,56 billion cubic meters - $ XNUMX.

    In the signed protocol (paragraph 2.2.3), as well as numerous statements by informed persons, it can be concluded that the tariff will be approximately equal to 2,5 ... 2,6 dollars.

    A definite plus for Russia!

    4. Termination and recall of all arbitration claims.

    To date, claims against $ 12 and $ 7,4 billion have been filed against various Gazprom in various courts. The general mood of the latest decisions allowed us to conclude that these claims from Naftogaz would be satisfied.

    The abolition of all these prosecutions in the Protocol is also a definite plus for Russia!

    So, today, if an agreement is signed between Gazprom and Naftogaz on the basis of the approved protocol, we can consider such a step as a clear victory for Russia with a total score of 4: 1!

    I deliberately left out the payment of the debt due to the protocol by Gazprom for the decision of the Stockholm arbitration in the amount of 2,9 billion due to the protocol for the following reasons:

    1) The decision has entered into force and cannot be reversed.

    2) I regard this payment as a "bribe" and "insurance", which I will describe in the next chapter ... laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 23 December 2019 21: 29
    -3
    1. Bribe.

    In fact, I consider the last, fourth to be the main point of the protocol:

    "Subject to the full implementation of the agreements provided for in paragraphs 1-3 of this Protocol, the Parties will consider the possibility of gas supplies to Ukraine, taking into account the principle of pricing based on the price of the European hub (NCG), excluding a reasonable discount, taking into account the volumes of supply."

    The conclusion is this: Zelensky and his political force need blood from the nose to lower prices for the gas supplied! Therefore, the protocol itself looks in some way like an ultimatum: get gas at a discount only after completing the first three points. In addition, according to information received in the media, a hole of 80 billion hryvnias has formed in the budget of Ukraine, which is approximately equal to a "concession" to Russia in the amount of 2,9 billion dollars. Here you need to remember what, I would say, financial and geopolitical situation Zelensky's power found itself in:

    1) From the released recordings of the talks between Zelensky and Trump, it became clear that Germany and France, in fact, "threw" Ukraine with any significant help.

    2) The former 95th Quarter star made a voyage to the United States, where she received unambiguous explanations about pennies from Trump on September 25, 2019:

    “I believe that President Putin would like to do something. I really hope that you can meet with President Putin and discuss the problems. That would be an incredible achievement ... Make peace with Putin! ” laughingI am translating: "You can only get pennies from Putin!" laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 23 December 2019 21: 31
    -3
    So, the situation is classic for Ukraine: "Pan Ataman of Tavrichesky has a gold reserve!"

    In addition, few people paid attention to such a "trifle": the Poroshenko government did nothing for the so-called unbundling, and Zelensky had, in fact, under the wild pressure of the European Union and under the "supervision" of Russia, in a hurry to solve the problem of the implementation of the Third Energy Package. Poroshenko's delay in unbundling on direct instructions from the United States (from the Democrats) was confirmed by the fact that as soon as a solution to the "uncertified transit country" was found, harsh sanctions from Congress and Trump immediately followed, because: "Nord Stream 2", "Turkish Stream" and the signed protocol is a savory kick to the Hegemon and his interests from the front of global energy domination.

    2. Insurance.

    As one of our "mustachioed ally" used to say:

    "Belarusians are the same Russians, only with a quality mark!"

    But few people today suspect that the risks from "the same Ukrainians, only with a quality mark" - the Poles have sharply increased! Behind the heated "polemical fervor" of the discussions of recent days, the news of an event that is about to happen is completely lost:

    The Polish authorities called the price at which Gazprom implements gas transportation through the country through the Yamal-Europe gas pipeline “practically equal to zero” and intend to increase it after the expiration of the current contract.

    Now Poland receives $ 5,4 million for the transit of Russian gas. The representative of the Polish government called this amount "practically equal to zero."

    The transit contract for the Yamal-Europe gas pipeline expires in 2020. Warsaw has repeatedly taken an unclear position regarding the conditions for concluding a new transit contract, and also stated its readiness to abandon the contract for the purchase of Russian gas.
  • Mentat
    Mentat 23 December 2019 21: 32
    0
    Quote: Mityai65
    Quote: Mentat
    Under the contract must pay a penalty

    It is unlikely that such stupid Swiss lawyers. This case is just a classic force majeure. I am sure this case is stipulated.

    This is a fortune telling on coffee grounds. According to publicly available information, the penalty is provided, and it is difficult to say now how events will unfold.

    Quote: Mentat
    By the way, their vessels didn’t leave the laying area,

    It is reported that the pipe layers left the Baltic Sea and headed for the Gulf of Mexico.

    One ship left, two remained. Recently there was such information, maybe something has changed right now.
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 23 December 2019 21: 32
    +6
    No more than a stick in the wheels. Crap and ran to the very finish. Completed SP-2, not going anywhere winked
  • Vladimir_6
    Vladimir_6 23 December 2019 21: 33
    0
    Dmitry Dzhangirov comments on new sanctions against the construction of Nord Stream-2.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ajl8ykOeT4
  • Saboteur Holuy
    Saboteur Holuy 23 December 2019 21: 33
    -6
    Like it or not, there is no way out ... Who will be responsible for the failed project?
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 23 December 2019 22: 25
      -3
      As usual no one
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 23 December 2019 22: 34
      +3
      Quote: Diversant Holuy
      Like it or not, there is no way out ... Who will be responsible for the failed project?

      Oh, how! belay
      Well, of course, the brain is the most important organ in the body. So the brain itself thinks winked
    3. 75 Sergey
      75 Sergey 23 December 2019 22: 35
      +1
      Grandfather Pehto! The guys from Gazprom tried, but then force majeure in the form of US coachingress, so everyone won the prize.
      And who will compensate for the loss?
      Like who?! Russian people!
    4. Vladimir_6
      Vladimir_6 23 December 2019 23: 38
      -1
      Quote: Diversant Holuy
      Like it or not, there is no way out ... Who will be responsible for the failed project?

      Who?
  • 123456789
    123456789 23 December 2019 21: 37
    +3
    Quote: Alexander X
    But what should the RF do in this case?

    Well, for starters, it would be possible to block the transit of oil produced by American companies in the Caspian, like V. Chernomyrdin in my time. At that time, our plant was on recycling for two years, until we agreed. Well, if Iran is able to block the Strait of Hormuz, then the further train of thought, in my opinion, is understandable.
    1. 123456789
      123456789 23 December 2019 21: 50
      +2
      And the best option is to rent, lease, buy Swiss ships to the extreme and calmly, without straining, finish building
      1. businessv
        businessv 23 December 2019 23: 46
        +1
        Quote: 123456789
        And the best option is to rent, lease,

        This is also called collaboration! smile
        1. 123456789
          123456789 24 December 2019 09: 09
          +1
          Actually, there are two options:
          The first option - Germany is negotiating with the United States on a one-month deadline for Allseas so that it can complete the offshore section of the pipeline.
          The second option - Russia is fitting its pipe-laying unit Akademik Chersky from Nakhodka, which will complete the installation.
          In the event of an Allseas total failure, the generally accepted practice is a new tender, a new contractor.
          R.S. The morning message about the crashed T-50 somehow unsettled.
          1. businessv
            businessv 24 December 2019 11: 46
            0
            Quote: 123456789
            The first option - Germany is negotiating with the United States on a one-month deadline for Allseas so that it can complete the offshore section of the pipeline.
            The second option - Russia is fitting its pipe-laying “Akademik Chersky” from Nakhodka

            The fact is that Allseas suspended work, did not turn off. I think that they will agree with the mattress themselves, they have leverage - next in line are work in the Gulf of Mexico with mattress platforms, so the oilmen will be able to close their mouths to two morons from the Senate IMHO, they also have their own strong lobby. Well, Chersky needs about a month to get to the place of work, that's a lot.
    2. Avior
      Avior 23 December 2019 21: 53
      +2
      In Iran, it is unlikely that the strait will be blocked, they cannot so aggravate so much
      1. 123456789
        123456789 23 December 2019 23: 58
        +3
        As Napoleon said: "The main thing is to get involved in a fight, and the war will show the plan."
        1. Avior
          Avior 24 December 2019 01: 58
          +2
          Napoleon’s example is not very smile
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 23 December 2019 21: 40
    -1
    Well, closer to 2025, when the Turkish Stream will be fully operational, SP2 and the Power of Siberia - the next Ukrainian president will sew pants with an extra fly on his back and go to bow to the Kremlin. laughing
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 23 December 2019 22: 26
      -1
      Soon, freeze, fall apart
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 24 December 2019 08: 23
        0
        she already fell apart
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  • Basarev
    Basarev 23 December 2019 21: 44
    0
    And I thought that Switzerland was a neutral country, and no one had the right to order it.
    1. L-39NG
      L-39NG 23 December 2019 22: 39
      +1
      It’s not a matter of countries, but of firms, owners and money.
    2. Avior
      Avior 23 December 2019 22: 39
      +1
      Everybody thought so smile
      But in practice, you see, they rushed like scalded
  • Avior
    Avior 23 December 2019 22: 24
    +2
    Fortune goes from Russia to the German port of Mukran, Chersky stands without traffic in Nakhodka
  • Mytholog
    Mytholog 23 December 2019 22: 26
    +1
    The main thing is not to forget to "thank" Denmark for the constant delays in the approval of the papers and the upcoming claims to "Fortune" for the inconsistency with Danish fantasies about ecology.
    1. Avior
      Avior 23 December 2019 22: 38
      +1
      Their requirements have long been known; it’s not tied to Fortune
      The Swiss met the requirements
    2. And
      And 24 December 2019 11: 49
      +1
      Be sure to coordinate the laying of their gas pipeline from Norway, which will have to go through the Nord Stream.
      1. And
        And 24 December 2019 12: 13
        0
        "over the Nord Streams"
  • Al Asad
    Al Asad 23 December 2019 22: 38
    0
    There is also a pipe-laying vessel "Akademik Chersky" and it meets all the requirements, but it is located in the Far East